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January 5, 2026 • 17 mins

The children of former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman are pleading with President Trump to remove a video he reposted on social media alleging Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is behind their mother and father’s assassinations. Governor Walz going even further, saying Trump’s post is going to “get more innocent people killed.” 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Monday, January fifth, and the children of a
slain lawmaker are pleading with President Trump to please please
take down a social media post saying this might be
a necessary step towards decency. And with that, welcome to

(00:23):
this episode of Amy and TJ.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Roves.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's what stood out to me in this whole mess
right now is basic decency. Step one is just the
basic decency. What do you make of this whole story
we're getting into, but just the idea that decency is
at the forefront of this story.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, and that you have children who are grieving, who
just spent the holidays without their parents because of a
political assassination, something that we have been talking about and
dealing with sadly in the last few months. They're now
having to ask it almost as if they're pleading with

(01:04):
the president please please take this down. It fans and
it fuels the flames of conspiracy theories, and it gets
people killed.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
And he says in the family here saying, mister President,
you're hurting us. You are hurting this family all over
again by what you're doing now. As many people know,
the President is known to tweet quite a bit he's
a true social We've had nights where he's absolutely put
out one hundred posts overnight. He had a very active
night again last night. But something that stood out Robes

(01:37):
and what we're talking about is Melissa Hortman. A lot
of people remember over the summer there was a man
who seemed to be on a tear at least, going
around shooting lawmakers, targeting lawmakers in Minnesota. Melissa Hortman and
her husband were killed that evening. Their children are the
ones now speaking out because ropes the president has put

(01:57):
out or re posted, I should say, a video that
suggests that the current governor of Minnesota was in some
way tied to the deaths of this state lawmaker, which
is just preposterous.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
At this point, it's fantasy, it's preposterous. And this has
been going on since the actual gunman was apprehended. There
was a letter that they found in his vehicle addressed
to FBI Director Cash Pattel where and you all everyone
who has read this letter said it is delusional, But
he said that he committed this assassination, these assassinations, and

(02:39):
certainly these shootings because they weren't the only ones who
were injured and ultimately killed in this attack, but he
claims that Governor Tim Waltz.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Told him to.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Do it, asked him to do it because he wanted
to become a senator, so we asked him to take
out other lawmakers.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
It was pure fantasy.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
According to everyone who read this letter, it was the
law enforcement correct. Yes, everyone has debunked this letter. But
to take a letter written by someone who now stands
facing multiple federal murder charges, to take that and to
make it seem as though it were fact or to
fuel this conspiracy theory that somehow Tim Waltz was behind

(03:20):
these assassinations in Minnesota, in his own state by members
of his own party, is a preposterous notion.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Conspiracy theories are going to be out there online NonStop.
When the President of the United States posts something like this,
it elevates it and it moves it to another level.
We know as of late, not even as of late,
but for a long time. I mean this guy with
the VP candidate, Tim Waltz. He has had problems with
Tim Waltz for a long time and has gone after
him in every chance he can. The whole issue now
with some alli's in that state and the old child

(03:51):
care or daycare fraud investigations going on. There's legit fraud.
I think everybody admits there. But the president has now
taken this and targeted the Somali community, targeted ilhan Omar,
and targeted Tim Waltz. So he is taking advantage of
a situation. This now elevates it. And if there is
some decency in there when the children are saying, mister president,

(04:14):
I mean, is he even going to get this message?
But I would imagine this was such an impassioned thing,
and we can get into their statements now, but the
two kids, I mean, how could he not take this down?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
This is a and you say impassioned plea to the
president that this is not about politics. This is about,
as you pointed earlier, babe, human decency. This is about
recognizing that when you make or at least you put
out or you elevate certain conspiracy theories, it isn't just

(04:47):
about politics. It isn't just about getting votes and getting
people on your side, you are actually hurting people and
harming people. Tim Waltz went even further and said, you
are potentially getting more innocent people killed by putting this
type of thing out there, and elevating it on your
truth social post. But Colin Hortman and Sophie Hortman are

(05:09):
the children of former House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her
husband Mark. Here is what Colin Hortman said, My father
and mother, Mark and Melissa Hortman, and their dog Gilbert
were killed by a man who believed conspiracy theories and
fake news words matter. Sharing fake news is dangerous. One

(05:30):
part of my grief journey has been understanding the last
conversation with my mother. She loved her job, people respected
her job and what she did at her job. So
he talks about the vote that a lot of people
have pointed to is the reason behind her death, which
has been largely debunked, and this is all fueling this
conspiracy theory. But at the end of the day, he

(05:51):
talks about how all of that is untrue and says,
I am asking President Trump to remove the video that
he shared and apologize to me and my family for
posting this misinformation and for using my mother's own words
to dishonor her memory.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, I think it's a stretch to get him
to take it down. I think it's beyond a stretch
to expect him to apologize. I think that's probably fair,
but this is worrying.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Robes.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
We talk about political assassinations, we have actually seen them
in this country as of late, and he's putting a
target on you. Actually, the president is promoting the possibility
of a sitting governor being a criminal to the point
of having someone else killed. In some people's twisted minds,

(06:40):
in some circles, that means Tim walt is a criminal
and he is a target to be taken out justifiably.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That is worrying.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Babey went onto Twitter Let's worry or x and I
saw to what you're saying. I saw this original post
and other lots of people have reposted it, not just
the president.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
When you read the comment events, it is scary. People
are absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
One hundred percent believing this, saying why hasn't Tim Waltz
been arrested, Why is he still allowed to be governor?
What is it going to take for people to understand
that Tim Walls was behind these murders? I mean, really,
it's scary, one comment after another, So, yes, this does matter.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
And we didn't just hear from Colin.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
We heard from Sophie as well, and I wanted to
read a little bit of her statement as well. The
video being shared by the President is another hurdle our
family must overcome in grieving the loss of my parents,
Mark and Melissa and their beloved dog, Gilbert. I ask
President Trump to please consider the pain and sadness we
have faced and to honor the spirit of the holidays

(07:47):
we have just spent without our parents. By taking down
the post on truth social we must create a society
in which we do not harbor hatred and violence toward
our political opponents. And this, this video promotes a false
narrative which fuels the flames of political division.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
They could have been a I mean they again I
say impassion, But that was well done.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It was well said.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think it was even mentioning the holidays like that
was a plea, like if nothing else do we just
came through?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
That was This is tough.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I don't expect I don't think anybody expects anything to
come of this. I would love for it to do
to to be the case. I would love for the
President to reach out. I would love for a nice
moment because the President had there's a good bone in
that body.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
There is there absolutely is.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well whatever issues people have with them, and this was
an appeal to like children. I didn't catch the ages
of the kids here, but and you wrote, I think
you have spent more time studying the statements this morning
than I have. But is there anything in it that
reeked of politics or even necessarily anger. Maybe they're upset,
but it didn't seem like they're they were directing anger

(08:59):
towards the president.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, And that was actually what was so beautiful about it.
It really came off as a plea, please understand the
pain you're causing and the harm you could actually be
inciting by your words. It felt like they were almost
begging the president please out of the word you use decency,
please take it down, but also out of concern that

(09:22):
this could actually continue this cycle of violence we are
seeing politically speaking, even you know in this in this rampage.
The man who ended up actually committing all of this
violence we mentioned obviously he killed the Hortman's.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Parents, but also shot at other members of.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
The state legislature, the Hoffman's and so the state Senator
John Hoffin and his wife Yvette, who were shot and wounded.
I guess ninety minutes before the Hortmans were killed. They
put out a statement saying they stand with Sophie and
Colin Hortman. They say, we asked President Trump to take
down the post spreading CONSPI claims about their parents' deaths.
Those claims reflect the same hateful falsehoods that motivated violence

(10:06):
and caused more harm. This moment caused for responsibility and compassion.
Removing the post would be a necessary step towards your word, babe, decency.
And so that is what we heard from the Hoffman's
and that certainly has been the sentiment by many folks
in Minnesota who have stepped up and condemned with the
president reposted. But we have not heard anything from the

(10:29):
White House. And we were actually thinking as we were
reading all of these impassioned statements asking the President for
a lot of reasons to take the post down. You said,
have we even checked to see if he took it down.
We had to go through a lot of his truth
social posts and it is still up. And that's not
that surprising. It's not as if we expected him to
take it down. But certainly there has been no response

(10:50):
officially from the White House. Based on the reaction from
the Hortman's and the Hoffmans.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, I don't know if we'll necessarily get one from
the world White House, but I with President Trumpet. If
you go through his social media posts, a lot of
them aren't his own words. We end up reading a
lot of them. But he does spend a lot a
lot of time reposting things. This was one. I don't

(11:16):
know how he has time to do it. This too,
take a takes a little bit of a deep dive.
It takes a little bit of time to find all
these things. I don't know if they're coming to him,
if somebody's pointing them out, or if he does spend
a lot of time scrolling.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
It seems like he wouldn't have that.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Kind of time, you know that's been going on around
the world to our South military ACA.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
He's a little busy this weekend.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
It's and it's bizarre that he would have time for
this and why and why now it just doesn't make
a whole lot of sense. The only theory we can
come up with we've hit on a little bit, but
we'll hit on it a little more when we come back.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Stay here, folks, We continue here on Amy and TJ.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
A busy weekend, certainly with a lot of news folks
saw about what was happening in Venezuela, the fact that
we got Nicholas mar Maduro. He was chilling in a
fortress in his home presidential palace a couple of nights ago,
and he is literally sleeping across the bridge from us
at the MDC the same jailware did he was. All
of that's been going on with the President had time

(12:28):
to repost something over the weekend. They quite frankly set
off the family of Melissa Hortman, who was killed, shot
and killed state lawmaker in Minnesota. All remember that over
the summer.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Robes.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I don't imagine we are going to get a retraction
of any kind, an apology of any kind, or even
a takedown. I don't remember any other time that the
president has gone my bad about anything on his social media.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was just going to ask, you, can you recall
because I cannot a moment in which he acknowledged he overstepped,
or he needed to take something down, or he reacted
too strongly. I've never heard him walk back a statement
he's made or a post he's put up.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
I can't recall one.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And there's a reason we shouldn't. Probably expect him to
do so this time we mentioned earlier, or when things
aren't necessarily going well for the president, when we see
his polling numbers, his polling numbers on the economy, when
he seems to be I guess politically losing some fight,
he finds one. He finds one that can really fire

(13:39):
up his people, and a lot of his people right
now are even pissed about what happened in Venezuela, like
this isn't what we were supposed to be doing. Its
supposed to be America first, less of this stuff around
the world. But he's found an issue here lately in
Minnesota with Tim Waltz and with these daycare fraud investigations
and with Somali's and those seem to be at least

(14:04):
issues that his base.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Are going to follow him on.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
So what we're seeing now in this post, it doesn't
bode well for him backing off, if you.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Will correct, I think if you go through his truth
Social it's either about Venezuela or it's about Minnesota, and
between those two things that pretty much has taken up
most of his truth Social posts over the weekend, and
they have been plentiful. As you pointed, out, and I
mentioned a little bit about Tim Waltz's response, but I
actually wanted to read his full statement just because it

(14:36):
is interesting and I think he should be able to
have a fair shake in terms of obviously all the
fingers pointing towards him in this truth social post. But
Tim Waltz officially said this, it is dangerous, depraved behavior
from the sitting president of the United States in covering
for an actual serial killer. He is going to get
more innocent people killed. America is better than this.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, he thought so, right, We thought so. But we
keep taking it, We keep tolerating. This doesn't even outrage anybody.
That's where we are, and that's the truth of the matter.
And all of us can say if any other president
posted this, called a woman a pig to her face,

(15:20):
if any other president did so much of this stuff,
we would lose it. And this is just another Monday.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
This is just another Monday, and there is going to
potentially be we're going to be hearing from Tim Waltz
actually speaking of Monday. Later on this morning, he is
called a presser at eleven AM. Some people are saying
he actually is going to be dropping out of the race.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
From Minnesota governor.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
He had been seeking or is currently seeking a third
term there in Minnesota. But is certainly all of the
scandals and this fraud probe that certainly has left what set.
More than seventy people have been charged so far, So
it's a legitimate concern and a legitimate potential misuse of
tax dollars significant amounts. So it's all an important news story.

(16:06):
But to politicize it further and to deliberately propagate or
promote known conspiracy theories is alarming at any level in
the government, but certainly coming at it from the top
office in our government is deeply concerning.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, keep an eye.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
On Trump's truth social today between this issue and I'm
sure if Tim Walt starts speaking at eleven, Trump will
be posting by eleven oh one. I'm sure I am
today all right, Well, folks are keeping a close eye
on everything. Also, keep an eye out. We'll have the
morning run up for you here in a little bit.
We just want to hop on and give you some
overnight developments. But with that we always appreciate you listening

(16:48):
to us. I'm TJ. Holmes on behalf of my dear
Amy Roboch. We will talk to about
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