January 5, 2026 • 39 mins
The Selling Sunset broker tells Gia why she didn't love this season at all, and why editing played a role.Plus, did she move in with her man too quickly? And yes, she talks about the Chrishell of it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week we have one of the Selling Sunset castmates
joining us, Mary Bonnett. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So excited to have you. My boyfriend and I actually
were addicted to Selling Sunset forever and we binge watched
it and now I can't believe season nine is out.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I know, right, time is flown by.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's crazy. I feel like once you're part of like
an ensemble show and then the season's just passed by,
You're like, how did we get here?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Uh huh? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I still remember in the beginning when we thought, oh well, no,
we're successful if we ever make it to season three,
like that's when you know, and here we are going
on going on ten pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, that's incredible. How quick is your turnaround time? Like,
you what do you guys, like, what does a normal
season look like?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, now we do four and a half months, approximately
four and a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Half months of filming.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We used to do back to back episodes or back
to back seasons and just have two weeks off in between.
But as you can imagine, it is absolutely brutal. We
just there's not enough time for us to do stuff
in our normal lives. Absolutely, okay, So yeah, so we
do four and a half months and then and then
(01:26):
now we get about three months off.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This season, the turnaround time.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Was very slow because we were supposed to air I
believe it was in August, and I don't know something
on the Netflix side where Stranger Things or something.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There was something with Stranger Things that got delayed. So
then they wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
They had to push ours because launch date something like that.
So we got delayed a couple months.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Got it? Yeah, okay, yeah, Wow, that's crazy that you
guys would go back to back. That's like way too much.
Because my mom obviously has been on Real Housewives in
New Jersey for years, like fifth over fifteen years, so
probably film in the filming because we film three months
out of the year. So then when you add on,
like you know, time that passed that you didn't film,
(02:15):
Like my mom's probably been in this world for like
almost twenty years. And then I recently just started filming
my own show on Bravo called Next Gen NYC. And
the film times are pretty standard, Like the timeline, it's
three months of filming and then you have six months off.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So oh okay, okay, well that's I wish we had
a normal timeline.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We just never know. We're just we just do what
they say. No.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This season, we were introduced to Sandra Vigara, who is
Sophia Vegara's sister. What is she like and what does
she add to the season that you didn't have before?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh? Well, so I love Sandra.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
She has just she's got just the most amazing heart
and and she is so funny.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I mean, she's if you guys can.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Imagine like Sophia Begar, like her boys, her like outgoing
personality and everything. But but then Sandra's just like she
just says stuff, and so it's a very random sometimes
or she just.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Speaks her mind.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But she's she's just a heart of gold, very thoughtful,
just a good friend.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
She and I come quite close.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and she adds a lot like where she's very vocal,
so which is good.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They didn't start her until episode six, I.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Think, but she was actually filming with us for a
good amount of the time, but with editing they started
our season or episode six.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So interesting. How many episodes do you typically have in
a season?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can I think, Okay, yeah, so she was.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
She wasn't a part of it for that long.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I know, well she was with us, she was, but
they just with editing, they just left her out until episodes.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You really never know what happens in the editing room.
It's so scary, right, There's been a lot of drama
this season between close friends and within relationships. Have you
watched it back yet and if so, what has it
been like watching it all unfold?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh, it's been brutal. You know. Editing was not my
friend this season.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They pick and choose, right, they pick and choose who
they want to favor.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh my gosh. Like, normally I can watch it and
I'm like, well, I mean everyone comes off as who
they are.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Maybe it's more dramatic than like, because you know, there's
so much that a film in between, and then they
edit it down to just the.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Most ridiculous and outgoing part.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Just where it's I don't know, I would watch it now.
I'm like, that does not give context to what really happens.
And so I'm a bit frustrated with the editing. But
we know it's possible for it to happen and hopefully
(05:18):
people can read between the lines.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it's so frustrating, you know, because I think when
and that's the whole point of like growing throughout reality
TV is of course, we can't control what happens in
the editing room. It's all up to the network. But
what I have learned within these past like within this
past year, I would say now that I am on
my own show and I'm not just you know, on
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a show supporting my mom. It's funny because you have
to own it a little bit about what you say.
And that's something that I obviously learned. Okay, yes, I
totally understand that I did say that because obviously they
put words into my mouth in the editing room, right,
(06:02):
and one of.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Those things it's like anything you say and do can
and we'll be used against.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And in the court of claw in the editing room,
this will happen.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
H Yeah, but like yes, yeah, like you said, it's like, yes,
I said that, but that does not give context.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but like the part before that, and the part
after that, and maybe the fifteen other events that occurred
that led me up to this point, exactly what you're
missing exactly?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I watch it and I'm like, oh my god, I
would never cry over flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I would never like it's like I'd be like, that's random.
I'd be like no. And I would never cry over
a name. I would never like. There was so much
that happened, and then I just got.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Robbed and I was just like I wasn't sleeping much
and and everything too, and so it was like all
of this wrapped up and won like being chaotic bubble,
and then then they just edit certain words and certain
facial expressions and I'm like, come on, guys, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And then you know again, like you just said, like
you weren't sleeping a lot, Like it's so important to
take care of your health, and I realized that this weekend,
Like I think it's you know, it's funny when you're
running on just adrenaline and trying to work and just
do what you have to do, you don't realize like
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what you're doing to your body and like you're sleep deprived,
maybe not eating how you normally would, not hydrating yourself,
and it's so scary when like you're like, whoa, I
need to take a step.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Back, and yeah, yeah, I just did that actually too.
Before the season came out because I knew it was
going to be interesting, so.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Cool because when I was sleeping, it was right after
we were robbed.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They were so robberies did in the neighborhood every single night,
and so I was up like watching the camera. So
I was like pretty paranoid, really like that it was
going to happen again. We had this like neighborhood watch,
and it would be like one two am, and all
of our neighbors are still up to these like sixty
seventy year old people and like mothers and like like.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Young families and everything.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Everyone's texting you said like, wait, there's a car outside kids,
So I go, like call it SI.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I know we were all still.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
On edge and and so I think that just combined
with everything.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But of course, I mean, yea, my, my, my, one
of our cars got stolen literally out of our garage
as we were still my guy and it was like terrifying.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But just a simple mistake.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know, we we have a gate in front of
our house. But afterwards it was it was, oh, you
left the garage door open. Oh crap, I left the
keys in the car. But you you never think that
that is going to happen to you until it happens,
and then you're like okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, it shakes you a bit, and just like your
sense of security and stuff is just.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you're like, all right, let's aamp it up.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You do the security camera.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh yeah, we did.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You know, we went through We hardwired everything, like because
they have the WiFi gammers.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It's so scary with technology and like the hacking can
do these days, it's so scary.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, and this little guy was missing when we got
home and so stupid.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah. So, I mean we've gotten back obviously, but.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I know, I know your puppies like your life, all
of your dogs.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, I have my little Bella.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
She's like my life too. She's with me with like
she I just recently moved out. She came to live
with me, like she's my life. Like I could. I
could never imagine I would have had I probably would
have went into a full.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Oh yeah, we were plan like to say the least.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Can you speak on Chrishelle and Emma's feud? Do you
think there will be any sort of reconciliation soon?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No? They will not. No, I don't know. I know.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I felt like they were like literally two peas in
a pod like so so.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I thought that too.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, I don't really know what's going on with Chrishell
right now. I mean I've always loved her and always will,
but I don't know what's happening because I mean it's
just every day is a different person like this she's
going after and I'm like, what's going on right now?
Like when were people not cool? Like I like, no
(10:50):
one knows, and it's just I don't know, but I'm
I hope she's doing okay, Like I hope that she
I I'm confused by it, I think like everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Else, Yeah, that's yes. Maybe. I mean it's hard because
as well as you know this season you felt like, okay,
maybe I wasn't like I wasn't shown in the best light.
You had a lot going on, your house got robbed,
you were dealing with so much. Again you said you
barely got any sleep, like you were running on empty.
(11:23):
So when that also happens to you, I think the
audience will also understand that, like you were going through
a lot, so I mean, tension was high, stress level
was high. You were not not that you weren't your
best self, but you know, like you weren't feeling your best,
like it was definitely was.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Not my best.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, but but my character is still the same as
it always has been, of course, Like you know, it's
like who I am to the core is not how
the edit was. Anybody just looks at how I've been
for the previous eighty seasons and who my real friends
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are and life, not just on the show of course,
Like I mean, it gives more insight ups to who
I am as a person, of.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Course, and sometimes that does Sometimes that is the missing
piece though, because they only see you know, who you're
around and what's being filmed and yeah, so it's just
you know, you gotta love reality TV sometimes, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And then especially when everyone, like you know, they watch
the show and they see like a five minute clip
and and people truly believe, like like, oh, I know
everything is happening in your life and I know the
exact thing because of a five minute clip or not
even five minutes, thirty second clip, and and it's just
like but if you put yourself in that position, like
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you would understand.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
If thirty seconds of your life are shown.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
And the whole world is watching, it's like people are
gonna miss a lot. You can't judge someone based on
thirty seconds. But I know everything. But you know, you
we signed up for it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We did honestly, you know, we need to make a living.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
We need to make.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
A We have headschecks some days, like, yeah, we have
bills to be but therapy is probably advised.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
How would you bring this season compared to others?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Oh, I probably don't have the popular opinion because I
hate drama. So with the more drama that let the
worse I think it is. But for the rest of
the world, they probably think it's amazing. Yeah, you know,
I think it was. As far as what the public likes,
(13:51):
I think it was really it was one of the
best seasons because they love drama.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For me, it was one of my least favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
From personal drama and everything, but and and it was
just you know, it was very stressful to.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Go through the whole season. Yeah, it wasn't one of
my favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But but I think as far as for for the public,
I think it was probably one of the best.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Probably loved it. Do you want to be a part
of season ten?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It depends on It depends on the dynamic in the office, honestly.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But no matter, I'm not going to be part of
you like you've been. Yeah, you've been. You've worked at
the Oppenheim Group for so long before the show.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Like if that ever happened, would you obviously still keep
your position at the Oppenheim Group.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I would still unless I moved then yeah
I would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I would keep my position, just not be on the show.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, because really in the office, a lot of girls
don't go in the office anymore that much because it's
just it's too chaotic and stuff. We have fans up
against the windows all the time, and tour bus is
coming like by, and paparazzi outside and stuff like that,
and so and for me, it's too distracting. You're really
(15:16):
bad and so it's like, you know, there's always something happening.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm like, I'm not getting any work done.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
No, no, yeah, So, and most of the girls don't
really go in that much. Occasionally everybody will be in
or not altogether. But so it wouldn't be that big
of a deal if if if I just stayed, but
I just yeah, it depends on the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It depends on the level of toxicity. That that they're allowing.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, it's so true. At the end of the day,
you need to look out for yourself and when things
become too toxic, you need to kind of pause and
be like, is this the best thing for me and
my mental state? And also at the end of the
day to though, like a show also does not want
too much toxicity either, Like that is why Jersey My
(16:10):
Mom's show has been on hold for so long, because
the toxicity just got too much and it was honestly,
it was too much to the point where even the
fans were like, eh, you know, this needs to end,
like there either needs to be like a reconcile of
some sort, or like firings need to happen, or like
(16:33):
what like something needs to happen otherwise where we're at
this is like not enjoyable to watch anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah. Yeah, I kind of feel like that's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I I feel like everyone's on the same page
that this is that this is not working, like it's
too much right now.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it's just how what's going to happen. I don't
have control over any of you know, that's that's for
our producers and Netflix and I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I mean, Jason has control over who works at the
Appunheim Group, but he doesn't have control over who's on
the show.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So yeah, we'll see what happens. I'm I don't know,
but after this season, I'm like, I'm good not being
on things. I'm like I did. But you know, but
we do the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Rest of most of the girls, and we all have
so much fut in we're own group chats.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We go out and we you know, we get along
really really well. It's just, you know, the dynamic just
over the last couple of seasons, especially this one, is
just not my cup of tea.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, you recently announced that you quit drinking after such
an intense season.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
What ultimately led you to this decision?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So well, I just know we with everything going on,
I think, I mean, I'll have in a cake. Well
now I'll like do a toast or something. But I
just took a big break.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
First of all. It's just I needed to just for
my own health.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I sometimes and you feel so much better. You
don't realize the like the toll that drinking puts on
your body.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, it's like and it was the best thing I did, really, I.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Mean, and now it's like just being so mindful about it,
like and just like if if I want to go,
have like a couple of steps of something or just
a toast or something, Okay, But it's in this life style.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's like every day there's an event.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Every day there's something, And then when you're filming, you're like, here,
have a drink here, of.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Course, and if you drink, it heightens the drama you get.
You know, you're out of it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's like you do things that your sober self maybe
wouldn't and you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Get more emotional.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And it's like after a film than after a film,
we come home, I'm like, oh, now I can relax.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Now I have a glass of wine.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now like this.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And then I was like, wait a minute, like I'm
trying to count, like what when was the last day
that I can remember where I didn't have one drink?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And I was like, uh, okay, that's too long. I
was like, yeah, I was like what I kind of
I was like, I think it was when I was
in BALI.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I was like, and because there's something going on every
day and I'm I'm a great drinker, like where I
don't get upset, I don't like I don't get like
I'm always in control. I'm always like whatever, I'm happy
and everything. But and then I don't get hangovers. So
I'm like, it's actually a curse, I think because I'm
(19:36):
like there's nothing stopping me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And but it was just too much for my health.
I was like, I need to to just take a break.
And I need to like give my liver, my kidneys
a break.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I need to give my mental state a break because
it was just started. I think my anxiety started getting worse.
What used to serve me and used to help, like
you know, just oh take a load off, calm down
a little bit. I think it just started making it
a little bit worse.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Actually out into the anxiety. Yeah, like you would drink
them the next day, your anxiety's through the roof.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And so I think it's just it was just a choice,
Like nothing bad happened, nothing like I just once I
realized when I had to sit for however long it
was and think when was the last day I haven't
had to drink, I was like, that's that's too much.
It's too long, Like I need I need to do
a reset. So and and now I just I I
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like it. I like being healthier, I like and going
into the season, I needed a very very clear mind.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Definitely. How have the people around you supported you through
this journey?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh, everyone's been so supportive. I mean, like our whole
friend group. But it's it's they. I think other people
are having a more difficult time with it than I am.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now, so like, really, I'm so proud of you. You're not.
I am so proud of you. And I was like,
really not gonna have leave on one drink tonight. I'm like,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I have a mocktails like so it looks right to
the to the outside, gir it looks like I'm drinking
because like they make some really good mocktails.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Now, no, they they look the same and everything and
so but I think that's the best part. Like I
love Mexican food. I'll get tipp salsa gualk in a
margarita all the time. I just have a burgon now.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So, yeah, can you see yourself saying sober for a while.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I'm just like not doing it, like really just
taking breaks like you don't.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I should drink.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I don't like putting limits on
myself because that's when I started thinking like, if I
can do something, I want.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
To do it, so I have.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Screw it. I'm gonna get hammerd tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah. I know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's like, wait, I'm not allowed to guess I can
do anything I want.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I'm like, I'm just so like stubborn like that.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Which has served me well as far as like because
I am stubborn like that, like in in uh business
and and stuff like that. But I'm like, I don't
think I want to. I was stubborn, Like this isn't
where I want to be stubborn. So I just I
don't put limits on myself. I just say like, like,
if I really really want to have a dream, okay,
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I will, but it's never allowed to be two days
in a row. It's never allowed to be like like whatever,
I don't drink at home.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't like whatever. So if I want to, but
most of them I don't want to. I'm just like, no,
I'll just take a walkt up like no.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Bad like honestly, rather rather rather wake up fresh in
the morning, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Such a better start to your day.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, And then you know I'm forty five now, So
I'm just my body is it's not as young a
vibrant as it used to be, and so I just
wanted to try to take care of it possible.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Now I totally get that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So let's talk about you and Roman.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Obviously we know that there is an age gap, but
how did the two of you meet?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Because he is like I love his accent.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I've loved watching him on selling Sunset. I'm like, oh,
I get why she's attracted to him.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I mean even throughout, like just even.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Throughout life, whenever anybody has an accent, I'm just like, oh, sorry, nice.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, he's such a good guy. We met for uh
in business. Really, I went and picked him up one
of his boss. He came over from Paris and his
boss was a friend of a friends and so they said, hey,
can you help like this guy out. He's coming to
work for us to find a place. So we were
(23:47):
I was living with a guy for about two years
and we just broke up, and so I like during
his time when Romaine and I we were talking about
like coming over and what was he looking for and
stuff like that, I never looked.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
At his picture because I was dating this other guy.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know, living with them, but unfortunately they got cheated
and so we broke up, and and and.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I was living I moved.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
In with Christine and and for just it was supposed
to be temperary.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And then we got along so well, we're like, okay,
let's just be room. Yeah, and so yeah, we we
He hopped in my car. I had to pick him up.
He hopped in my car, and I was just like, oh, hello.
And then I went back and I looked at the photo. No,
his picture was there the whole time. I just never
looked at it. And uh. And then we just got
(24:44):
along so well.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It was like I would say, the first time we
were in the car together, it felt like we knew
each other forever, Like it was so comfortable, even in
that like nervous, like oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
God, you're sodium hot like vibe.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I'm like I I was still, it felt like we
had known each other forever.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
We just had like this chemistry.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And we started dating within about a week, moved in
together in about three months, and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Legally got married about within six months.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, the rest is history. How is Romaane with your
son Austin.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh, he's so good. He's like they get along.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Really really well, I'm just amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, it's not like a father figure kind of thing.
They're like like all my friends are like we're all family,
but they have a really good relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He can talk to them. And if I'm like a
couple of years ago, on a five years ago or so,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
My god, Austin is so bad at at like communicating
like texting back and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And he's like, it's just what guys do. So he
texted me, He's like, bro, hey, respond to your mom
because I know what there's when you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And and he's like, oh, sorry about that, and so
like in all like so, I mean at first I
was like I don't want like any involvement stuff, but
Jason has been like this mentor kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And Austin just loves like all of my like Remain and.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Jason and everybody, all all of our friends in our
life and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
We're like just like a family. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, so they Yeah, they get along great. We're gonna
see him next week.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Actually I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Your memoir Selling Sunshine gets really personal. What made you
open up and so much an honest way.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well, every time I have talked about things that have
happened in my life.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
There's been a really good response.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's helped people, and so kind of one of the
things that I wanted to do. You know, you can't
change things that have happened, and and there's unfortunately, my
life is pretty full of a lot of like tragedy
kind of type events, and I want to make it
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turn a negative into a positive basically, and and have
my story or or the way I survived it or
whatever helped people or make them feel like they're not alone.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Just give them hope.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I love that. That's so sweet. What's something that you
shared in your book that even your close friends were
surprised to read.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I'm trying to remember if all of it's in there.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
You're like, actually, guys, I left some things out.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You thought it was juicy, but I I.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Don't know if a lot of them knew.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That I had a couple like of like the just
a random, like groopy hookups I crackitated and that from
LFO and stuff. I was like, I don't know, okay,
because I can't remember who I told this story because
I had a ghostwriter and I told my story with
everything and something's got cut out, and I was like, no,
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this has to be in and then and then other
things like you know, we left out if it if
it anything impacted anybody close to me, and it wasn't
really my story to tell, even though it impacted my
life a lot, I left it out. You know. I
tried to preserve people's privacy as much as possible. And
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I also changed the names and the book to I'm
not out to get anybody, like you.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Know, it's honestly really smart, you know, just to change
the names, not out anybody, not make anybody feel uncomfortable.
Sure maybe, like you know, readers can can figure out
this is about something I wanted something, but it's all assumption.
So at least you're like, well, I never said it.
This is Giselle.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I know, I have no idea, right like I.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You know, it's a I'm kind of in my life.
Someone's name doesn't affect it one way or the other.
And so yeah, I'm not trying to get back at
in body or I'm not trying to like hurt anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's your story and also some stories that people that
people say to you or things that have happened to you.
Even though if it's somebody else's story. Like everything impacts
impacts a person, So even if it was somebody else's story,
but it like connected with you in any way.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's totally like I love that you did that.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But you've been very open about your fertility journey and
what made you feel like, Okay, this is the right
like this is the right thing to bring public.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, I couldn't really avoid it, like first of all,
because when we were filming the show, I was going
through the miscarriage and then I kind of feel like, well,
now when it was happening, and it really took me down,
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and it was going to be very obvious what happened,
and I made the mistake in hindsight of well, maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Not a mistake because it did help a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But I announced it before it was it was in
like the safe zone basically, and so you know, I
already announced it. I was just I mean, I went
through a bit of depression when it happened, and it
was going to be obvious like anyway, and so and
(30:48):
at the time, I just I'm such an open book.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
When something happens, I just like talk about it, and
then afterwards I'm like, why did I feel the need
to share that.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I was like, it was it, but I'm just kind
of an open book like that. But afterwards I realized
how much it helped people like I would. I was
in like New Orleans and this man came up to
me and he was like, I just have to say
thank you so much. He's like, nothing would console my wife,
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Like she's got been through so many miscarriages.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Nothing that would console my wife.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
He's like, and she was going to like her fifth miscarriage,
and she was watching your show and it made her
feel better.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's the one thing that got her out of bed.
And I was like, oh my god, I started crying.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And I was like, so, you know, I've had so
many stories like this where it's like women don't talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They feel shameful, I know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And there's still so much of a stigma just around
for her fertility struggles. Like what do you wish people
would stop saying or assuming?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, you know, at this point, I think I just
try not to talk about too much when like when
people I keep saying like, you know, so are you
still trying? Are you so like you can still do
this and stuff, I'm like yeah, there's so much to
it that, like I would have to have a surgery
because I have a septom in my in the middle
of my uterus that they found, which is why I've
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had so many misscarriages.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So I have to have a surgery.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And then you have to have all the healing time
and because then it leaves to gar tissue, which also
and then I'm forty five. The egg quality isn't well.
The last time we did egg retrieval there were none.
They came up they were viable for the embryos. So yeah,
(32:42):
the chances are not good. So you know, and when
people put out like, oh, she's pregnant. If I ate
a big meal, oh she's pregnant, that the stories start going.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I'm like, guys, come on, this is her phone enough flag.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, you know, it's also your life. It's also what
you're what you're putting your body through, what you're up,
what you're up for in that moment, Like, of course,
is the goal at the end of the day to
have a baby, Yes, thank you, but this is also
my body in my life. And yeah, each like each
of these processes obviously take a take a toll.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely they were. There were a few.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Of the scenes I think from the show where I
was on the hormone injections and everything like that, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Wow, I was like okay, and I saw like we're
crying about something and it looked like it was something different.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I was like, well, yeah, I was a bit more emotional,
but I was like shooting like up all like the
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And people don't know that. God, that girl cries a lot.
Like so a lot of hormones going on in this body,
you know.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
But yeah, so I'm off of them now, like just
you know, and Romaine is so supportive and just he's
just so loving and understanding about everything.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And this little guy he calls him his son. So so.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, I think we're kind of at this point
we just we just know it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I don't think either of us. Yeah, we also don't
really talk about it. I think it is just is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And we love our doggies and that's what our life
is going to be. We love to travel, so we're
just looking at the positive so on on what not
having a baby allows us, like things that you sacrifice
for children and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's like, well, we're yeah, just looking as positive, no.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And I mean that is so positive.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean traveling and seeing the world and not having
to worry about a babysitter or going out to dinner.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
There's some perks.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
There are some perks, there are some so yeah, it's
can changed. You can't change what you can't.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Change, of course, you know, and you two love each
other and as long as you guys love your life
together and make each other happy, that's all that matters.
I'm sure. Obviously Romayne sees your efforts and see what
you've put your body through, and you guys know your
answer at.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The end of the day, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
What advice would you give to women who feel like
they have to choose between career success and personal happiness?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Ooh, there's a fine balance. And I think I think
when you start feeling your body. I'm not good at
putting limits on myself.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I go zero to one hundred and I work myself
into the ground. And so I'm not a good example.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Of that because I just I go, go, go until
my body physically gives out. And I'm trying to be
more mindful of that because at the end of the
day if you're not happy, Like career success, it gives
you a lot of sense of achievement and it proposed
you in many ways. But don't put all your eggs
(36:12):
in one basket because it's like before you know it,
you're gonna like turn around when you're like, oh my god,
like I've wasted like this much time. As far as
like like having a family and doing different things, it's
like and just finding your mate when you're so hyper focused.
I mean, teach their own if that's what you really
really want, but just remember time flights by and and
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there's a it's good to have balance.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I still work and struggle on that every day, like by,
but I think it's very very important because if.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You're your personal happiness affects your business as well, and
your business success that affects your personal happiness, so it's
like they work together, and it's just finding that balance
that works for you.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's different for everybody, but what works for you.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I totally agree. You need to give your body the
time to recharge and rest. So if you can be
a successful business woman and also just maintain your happiness
and take care of your body, that's the perfect balance.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But that's a little easier, easier said than done, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What's something you've learned about yourself in the last year
that surprised you.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
My inner strength?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I I mean, I know I've always been a very strong,
kind of strong willed person, but the I and I'm
self critical more than I mean, all all these internet
rolls like they've got nothing on me. They're brutal, but
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it's like I'm constantly watching and analyzing and judging myself, like.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
On a okay, is this the right thing? And and
what kind of person am I?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like if I do or say something, I'm like, I
judge myself like harshly on things that I say in
you in a way oh well, but I.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Think it makes I think it makes me a better
person though, Like.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean, everyone, you're very you're very self aware, which
is you know, which is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, And so I mean almost a fault where I'm like,
I have to be more mindful of empathy suicide because
I really like I just feel for everybody, and I
go sound for everybody, and that I'm like, I.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Need to take a step back and just focus on myself.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And and I think I'm just very proud of myself
before It's been a lot, and and the amount of.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Chaos that has been going on around and just.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
My ability to just sit back and just remain centered,
remember who I am.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
And and not engage or lash, lash out or or
or when people hit low, I'm not going to hit
lower like I'm like, no, I'm going to take dirope.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And so I think my my strength being able to
do that, I think is one of the most friend.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Of I love that.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Mary, thank you so much for coming on casual Chaos.
Thank you, thank you for having me have the best
day you think a book, a vacation, enjoying a show,
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week we have one of the Selling Sunset castmates
joining us, Mary Bonnett. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So excited to have you. My boyfriend and I actually
were addicted to Selling Sunset forever and we binge watched
it and now I can't believe season nine is out.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I know, right, time is flown by.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's crazy. I feel like once you're part of like
an ensemble show and then the season's just passed by,
You're like, how did we get here?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Uh huh? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I still remember in the beginning when we thought, oh well, no,
we're successful if we ever make it to season three,
like that's when you know, and here we are going
on going on ten pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, that's incredible. How quick is your turnaround time? Like,
you what do you guys, like, what does a normal
season look like?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, now we do four and a half months, approximately
four and a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Half months of filming.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We used to do back to back episodes or back
to back seasons and just have two weeks off in between.
But as you can imagine, it is absolutely brutal. We
just there's not enough time for us to do stuff
in our normal lives. Absolutely, okay, So yeah, so we
do four and a half months and then and then
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now we get about three months off.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This season, the turnaround time.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Was very slow because we were supposed to air I
believe it was in August, and I don't know something
on the Netflix side where Stranger Things or something.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There was something with Stranger Things that got delayed. So
then they wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
They had to push ours because launch date something like that.
So we got delayed a couple months.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Got it? Yeah, okay, yeah, Wow, that's crazy that you
guys would go back to back. That's like way too much.
Because my mom obviously has been on Real Housewives in
New Jersey for years, like fifth over fifteen years, so
probably film in the filming because we film three months
out of the year. So then when you add on,
like you know, time that passed that you didn't film,
(02:15):
Like my mom's probably been in this world for like
almost twenty years. And then I recently just started filming
my own show on Bravo called Next Gen NYC. And
the film times are pretty standard, Like the timeline, it's
three months of filming and then you have six months off.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So oh okay, okay, well that's I wish we had
a normal timeline.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We just never know. We're just we just do what
they say. No.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This season, we were introduced to Sandra Vigara, who is
Sophia Vegara's sister. What is she like and what does
she add to the season that you didn't have before?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh? Well, so I love Sandra.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
She has just she's got just the most amazing heart
and and she is so funny.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I mean, she's if you guys can.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Imagine like Sophia Begar, like her boys, her like outgoing
personality and everything. But but then Sandra's just like she
just says stuff, and so it's a very random sometimes
or she just.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Speaks her mind.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But she's she's just a heart of gold, very thoughtful,
just a good friend.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
She and I come quite close.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and she adds a lot like where she's very vocal,
so which is good.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They didn't start her until episode six, I.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Think, but she was actually filming with us for a
good amount of the time, but with editing they started
our season or episode six.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So interesting. How many episodes do you typically have in
a season?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can I think, Okay, yeah, so she was.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
She wasn't a part of it for that long.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I know, well she was with us, she was, but
they just with editing, they just left her out until episodes.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You really never know what happens in the editing room.
It's so scary, right, There's been a lot of drama
this season between close friends and within relationships. Have you
watched it back yet and if so, what has it
been like watching it all unfold?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh, it's been brutal. You know. Editing was not my
friend this season.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
They pick and choose, right, they pick and choose who
they want to favor.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh my gosh. Like, normally I can watch it and
I'm like, well, I mean everyone comes off as who
they are.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Maybe it's more dramatic than like, because you know, there's
so much that a film in between, and then they
edit it down to just the.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Most ridiculous and outgoing part.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Just where it's I don't know, I would watch it now.
I'm like, that does not give context to what really happens.
And so I'm a bit frustrated with the editing. But
we know it's possible for it to happen and hopefully
(05:18):
people can read between the lines.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it's so frustrating, you know, because I think when
and that's the whole point of like growing throughout reality
TV is of course, we can't control what happens in
the editing room. It's all up to the network. But
what I have learned within these past like within this
past year, I would say now that I am on
my own show and I'm not just you know, on
(05:42):
a show supporting my mom. It's funny because you have
to own it a little bit about what you say.
And that's something that I obviously learned. Okay, yes, I
totally understand that I did say that because obviously they
put words into my mouth in the editing room, right,
(06:02):
and one of.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Those things it's like anything you say and do can
and we'll be used against.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And in the court of claw in the editing room,
this will happen.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
H Yeah, but like yes, yeah, like you said, it's like, yes,
I said that, but that does not give context.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but like the part before that, and the part
after that, and maybe the fifteen other events that occurred
that led me up to this point, exactly what you're
missing exactly?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I watch it and I'm like, oh my god, I
would never cry over flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I would never like it's like I'd be like, that's random.
I'd be like no. And I would never cry over
a name. I would never like. There was so much
that happened, and then I just got.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Robbed and I was just like I wasn't sleeping much
and and everything too, and so it was like all
of this wrapped up and won like being chaotic bubble,
and then then they just edit certain words and certain
facial expressions and I'm like, come on, guys, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And then you know again, like you just said, like
you weren't sleeping a lot, Like it's so important to
take care of your health, and I realized that this weekend,
Like I think it's you know, it's funny when you're
running on just adrenaline and trying to work and just
do what you have to do, you don't realize like
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what you're doing to your body and like you're sleep deprived,
maybe not eating how you normally would, not hydrating yourself,
and it's so scary when like you're like, whoa, I
need to take a step.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Back, and yeah, yeah, I just did that actually too.
Before the season came out because I knew it was
going to be interesting, so.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Cool because when I was sleeping, it was right after
we were robbed.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They were so robberies did in the neighborhood every single night,
and so I was up like watching the camera. So
I was like pretty paranoid, really like that it was
going to happen again. We had this like neighborhood watch,
and it would be like one two am, and all
of our neighbors are still up to these like sixty
seventy year old people and like mothers and like like.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Young families and everything.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Everyone's texting you said like, wait, there's a car outside kids,
So I go, like call it SI.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I know we were all still.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
On edge and and so I think that just combined
with everything.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But of course, I mean, yea, my, my, my, one
of our cars got stolen literally out of our garage
as we were still my guy and it was like terrifying.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But just a simple mistake.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know, we we have a gate in front of
our house. But afterwards it was it was, oh, you
left the garage door open. Oh crap, I left the
keys in the car. But you you never think that
that is going to happen to you until it happens,
and then you're like okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, it shakes you a bit, and just like your
sense of security and stuff is just.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you're like, all right, let's aamp it up.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You do the security camera.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh yeah, we did.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You know, we went through We hardwired everything, like because
they have the WiFi gammers.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It's so scary with technology and like the hacking can
do these days, it's so scary.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, and this little guy was missing when we got
home and so stupid.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah. So, I mean we've gotten back obviously, but.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I know, I know your puppies like your life, all
of your dogs.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, I have my little Bella.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
She's like my life too. She's with me with like
she I just recently moved out. She came to live
with me, like she's my life. Like I could. I
could never imagine I would have had I probably would
have went into a full.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Oh yeah, we were plan like to say the least.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Can you speak on Chrishelle and Emma's feud? Do you
think there will be any sort of reconciliation soon?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No? They will not. No, I don't know. I know.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I felt like they were like literally two peas in
a pod like so so.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I thought that too.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, I don't really know what's going on with Chrishell
right now. I mean I've always loved her and always will,
but I don't know what's happening because I mean it's
just every day is a different person like this she's
going after and I'm like, what's going on right now?
Like when were people not cool? Like I like, no
(10:50):
one knows, and it's just I don't know, but I'm
I hope she's doing okay, Like I hope that she
I I'm confused by it, I think like everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Else, Yeah, that's yes. Maybe. I mean it's hard because
as well as you know this season you felt like, okay,
maybe I wasn't like I wasn't shown in the best light.
You had a lot going on, your house got robbed,
you were dealing with so much. Again you said you
barely got any sleep, like you were running on empty.
(11:23):
So when that also happens to you, I think the
audience will also understand that, like you were going through
a lot, so I mean, tension was high, stress level
was high. You were not not that you weren't your
best self, but you know, like you weren't feeling your best,
like it was definitely was.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Not my best.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, but but my character is still the same as
it always has been, of course, Like you know, it's
like who I am to the core is not how
the edit was. Anybody just looks at how I've been
for the previous eighty seasons and who my real friends
(12:02):
are and life, not just on the show of course,
Like I mean, it gives more insight ups to who
I am as a person, of.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Course, and sometimes that does Sometimes that is the missing
piece though, because they only see you know, who you're
around and what's being filmed and yeah, so it's just
you know, you gotta love reality TV sometimes, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And then especially when everyone, like you know, they watch
the show and they see like a five minute clip
and and people truly believe, like like, oh, I know
everything is happening in your life and I know the
exact thing because of a five minute clip or not
even five minutes, thirty second clip, and and it's just
like but if you put yourself in that position, like
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you would understand.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
If thirty seconds of your life are shown.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
And the whole world is watching, it's like people are
gonna miss a lot. You can't judge someone based on
thirty seconds. But I know everything. But you know, you
we signed up for it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We did honestly, you know, we need to make a living.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
We need to make.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
A We have headschecks some days, like, yeah, we have
bills to be but therapy is probably advised.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
How would you bring this season compared to others?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Oh, I probably don't have the popular opinion because I
hate drama. So with the more drama that let the
worse I think it is. But for the rest of
the world, they probably think it's amazing. Yeah, you know,
I think it was. As far as what the public likes,
(13:51):
I think it was really it was one of the
best seasons because they love drama.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For me, it was one of my least favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
From personal drama and everything, but and and it was
just you know, it was very stressful to.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Go through the whole season. Yeah, it wasn't one of
my favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But but I think as far as for for the public,
I think it was probably one of the best.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Probably loved it. Do you want to be a part
of season ten?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It depends on It depends on the dynamic in the office, honestly.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But no matter, I'm not going to be part of
you like you've been. Yeah, you've been. You've worked at
the Oppenheim Group for so long before the show.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Like if that ever happened, would you obviously still keep
your position at the Oppenheim Group.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I would still unless I moved then yeah
I would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I would keep my position, just not be on the show.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, because really in the office, a lot of girls
don't go in the office anymore that much because it's
just it's too chaotic and stuff. We have fans up
against the windows all the time, and tour bus is
coming like by, and paparazzi outside and stuff like that,
and so and for me, it's too distracting. You're really
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bad and so it's like, you know, there's always something happening.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm like, I'm not getting any work done.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
No, no, yeah, So, and most of the girls don't
really go in that much. Occasionally everybody will be in
or not altogether. But so it wouldn't be that big
of a deal if if if I just stayed, but
I just yeah, it depends on the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It depends on the level of toxicity. That that they're allowing.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, it's so true. At the end of the day,
you need to look out for yourself and when things
become too toxic, you need to kind of pause and
be like, is this the best thing for me and
my mental state? And also at the end of the
day to though, like a show also does not want
too much toxicity either, Like that is why Jersey My
(16:10):
Mom's show has been on hold for so long, because
the toxicity just got too much and it was honestly,
it was too much to the point where even the
fans were like, eh, you know, this needs to end,
like there either needs to be like a reconcile of
some sort, or like firings need to happen, or like
(16:33):
what like something needs to happen otherwise where we're at
this is like not enjoyable to watch anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah. Yeah, I kind of feel like that's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I I feel like everyone's on the same page
that this is that this is not working, like it's
too much right now.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it's just how what's going to happen. I don't
have control over any of you know, that's that's for
our producers and Netflix and I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I mean, Jason has control over who works at the
Appunheim Group, but he doesn't have control over who's on
the show.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So yeah, we'll see what happens. I'm I don't know,
but after this season, I'm like, I'm good not being
on things. I'm like I did. But you know, but
we do the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Rest of most of the girls, and we all have
so much fut in we're own group chats.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We go out and we you know, we get along
really really well. It's just, you know, the dynamic just
over the last couple of seasons, especially this one, is
just not my cup of tea.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, you recently announced that you quit drinking after such
an intense season.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
What ultimately led you to this decision?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So well, I just know we with everything going on,
I think, I mean, I'll have in a cake. Well
now I'll like do a toast or something. But I
just took a big break.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
First of all. It's just I needed to just for
my own health.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I sometimes and you feel so much better. You
don't realize the like the toll that drinking puts on
your body.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, it's like and it was the best thing I did, really, I.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Mean, and now it's like just being so mindful about it,
like and just like if if I want to go,
have like a couple of steps of something or just
a toast or something, Okay, But it's in this life style.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's like every day there's an event.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Every day there's something, And then when you're filming, you're like, here,
have a drink here, of.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Course, and if you drink, it heightens the drama you get.
You know, you're out of it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's like you do things that your sober self maybe
wouldn't and you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Get more emotional.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And it's like after a film than after a film,
we come home, I'm like, oh, now I can relax.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Now I have a glass of wine.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now like this.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And then I was like, wait a minute, like I'm
trying to count, like what when was the last day
that I can remember where I didn't have one drink?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And I was like, uh, okay, that's too long. I
was like, yeah, I was like what I kind of
I was like, I think it was when I was
in BALI.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I was like, and because there's something going on every
day and I'm I'm a great drinker, like where I
don't get upset, I don't like I don't get like
I'm always in control. I'm always like whatever, I'm happy
and everything. But and then I don't get hangovers. So
I'm like, it's actually a curse, I think because I'm
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like there's nothing stopping me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And but it was just too much for my health.
I was like, I need to to just take a break.
And I need to like give my liver, my kidneys
a break.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I need to give my mental state a break because
it was just started. I think my anxiety started getting worse.
What used to serve me and used to help, like
you know, just oh take a load off, calm down
a little bit. I think it just started making it
a little bit worse.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Actually out into the anxiety. Yeah, like you would drink
them the next day, your anxiety's through the roof.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And so I think it's just it was just a choice,
Like nothing bad happened, nothing like I just once I
realized when I had to sit for however long it
was and think when was the last day I haven't
had to drink, I was like, that's that's too much.
It's too long, Like I need I need to do
a reset. So and and now I just I I
(20:37):
like it. I like being healthier, I like and going
into the season, I needed a very very clear mind.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Definitely. How have the people around you supported you through
this journey?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh, everyone's been so supportive. I mean, like our whole
friend group. But it's it's they. I think other people
are having a more difficult time with it than I am.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now, so like, really, I'm so proud of you. You're not.
I am so proud of you. And I was like,
really not gonna have leave on one drink tonight. I'm like,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I have a mocktails like so it looks right to
the to the outside, gir it looks like I'm drinking
because like they make some really good mocktails.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Now, no, they they look the same and everything and
so but I think that's the best part. Like I
love Mexican food. I'll get tipp salsa gualk in a
margarita all the time. I just have a burgon now.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So, yeah, can you see yourself saying sober for a while.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I'm just like not doing it, like really just
taking breaks like you don't.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I should drink.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I don't like putting limits on
myself because that's when I started thinking like, if I
can do something, I want.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
To do it, so I have.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Screw it. I'm gonna get hammerd tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah. I know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's like, wait, I'm not allowed to guess I can
do anything I want.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I'm like, I'm just so like stubborn like that.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Which has served me well as far as like because
I am stubborn like that, like in in uh business
and and stuff like that. But I'm like, I don't
think I want to. I was stubborn, Like this isn't
where I want to be stubborn. So I just I
don't put limits on myself. I just say like, like,
if I really really want to have a dream, okay,
(22:20):
I will, but it's never allowed to be two days
in a row. It's never allowed to be like like whatever,
I don't drink at home.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't like whatever. So if I want to, but
most of them I don't want to. I'm just like, no,
I'll just take a walkt up like no.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Bad like honestly, rather rather rather wake up fresh in
the morning, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Such a better start to your day.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, And then you know I'm forty five now, So
I'm just my body is it's not as young a
vibrant as it used to be, and so I just
wanted to try to take care of it possible.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Now I totally get that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
So let's talk about you and Roman.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Obviously we know that there is an age gap, but
how did the two of you meet?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Because he is like I love his accent.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I've loved watching him on selling Sunset. I'm like, oh,
I get why she's attracted to him.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I mean even throughout, like just even.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Throughout life, whenever anybody has an accent, I'm just like, oh, sorry, nice.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, he's such a good guy. We met for uh
in business. Really, I went and picked him up one
of his boss. He came over from Paris and his
boss was a friend of a friends and so they said, hey,
can you help like this guy out. He's coming to
work for us to find a place. So we were
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I was living with a guy for about two years
and we just broke up, and so I like during
his time when Romaine and I we were talking about
like coming over and what was he looking for and
stuff like that, I never looked.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
At his picture because I was dating this other guy.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know, living with them, but unfortunately they got cheated
and so we broke up, and and and.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I was living I moved.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
In with Christine and and for just it was supposed
to be temperary.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And then we got along so well, we're like, okay,
let's just be room. Yeah, and so yeah, we we
He hopped in my car. I had to pick him up.
He hopped in my car, and I was just like, oh, hello.
And then I went back and I looked at the photo. No,
his picture was there the whole time. I just never
looked at it. And uh. And then we just got
(24:44):
along so well.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It was like I would say, the first time we
were in the car together, it felt like we knew
each other forever, Like it was so comfortable, even in
that like nervous, like oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
God, you're sodium hot like vibe.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I'm like I I was still, it felt like we
had known each other forever.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
We just had like this chemistry.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And we started dating within about a week, moved in
together in about three months, and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Legally got married about within six months.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, the rest is history. How is Romaane with your
son Austin.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh, he's so good. He's like they get along.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Really really well, I'm just amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, it's not like a father figure kind of thing.
They're like like all my friends are like we're all family,
but they have a really good relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He can talk to them. And if I'm like a
couple of years ago, on a five years ago or so,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
My god, Austin is so bad at at like communicating
like texting back and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
And he's like, it's just what guys do. So he
texted me, He's like, bro, hey, respond to your mom
because I know what there's when you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And and he's like, oh, sorry about that, and so
like in all like so, I mean at first I
was like I don't want like any involvement stuff, but
Jason has been like this mentor kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And Austin just loves like all of my like Remain and.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Jason and everybody, all all of our friends in our
life and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
We're like just like a family. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, so they Yeah, they get along great. We're gonna
see him next week.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Actually I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Your memoir Selling Sunshine gets really personal. What made you
open up and so much an honest way.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well, every time I have talked about things that have
happened in my life.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
There's been a really good response.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's helped people, and so kind of one of the
things that I wanted to do. You know, you can't
change things that have happened, and and there's unfortunately, my
life is pretty full of a lot of like tragedy
kind of type events, and I want to make it
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turn a negative into a positive basically, and and have
my story or or the way I survived it or
whatever helped people or make them feel like they're not alone.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Just give them hope.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I love that. That's so sweet. What's something that you
shared in your book that even your close friends were
surprised to read.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I'm trying to remember if all of it's in there.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
You're like, actually, guys, I left some things out.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You thought it was juicy, but I I.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Don't know if a lot of them knew.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That I had a couple like of like the just
a random, like groopy hookups I crackitated and that from
LFO and stuff. I was like, I don't know, okay,
because I can't remember who I told this story because
I had a ghostwriter and I told my story with
everything and something's got cut out, and I was like, no,
(28:12):
this has to be in and then and then other
things like you know, we left out if it if
it anything impacted anybody close to me, and it wasn't
really my story to tell, even though it impacted my
life a lot, I left it out. You know. I
tried to preserve people's privacy as much as possible. And
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I also changed the names and the book to I'm
not out to get anybody, like you.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Know, it's honestly really smart, you know, just to change
the names, not out anybody, not make anybody feel uncomfortable.
Sure maybe, like you know, readers can can figure out
this is about something I wanted something, but it's all assumption.
So at least you're like, well, I never said it.
This is Giselle.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I know, I have no idea, right like I.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You know, it's a I'm kind of in my life.
Someone's name doesn't affect it one way or the other.
And so yeah, I'm not trying to get back at
in body or I'm not trying to like hurt anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's your story and also some stories that people that
people say to you or things that have happened to you.
Even though if it's somebody else's story. Like everything impacts
impacts a person, So even if it was somebody else's story,
but it like connected with you in any way.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's totally like I love that you did that.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But you've been very open about your fertility journey and
what made you feel like, Okay, this is the right
like this is the right thing to bring public.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, I couldn't really avoid it, like first of all,
because when we were filming the show, I was going
through the miscarriage and then I kind of feel like, well,
now when it was happening, and it really took me down,
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and it was going to be very obvious what happened,
and I made the mistake in hindsight of well, maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Not a mistake because it did help a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But I announced it before it was it was in
like the safe zone basically, and so you know, I
already announced it. I was just I mean, I went
through a bit of depression when it happened, and it
was going to be obvious like anyway, and so and
(30:48):
at the time, I just I'm such an open book.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
When something happens, I just like talk about it, and
then afterwards I'm like, why did I feel the need
to share that.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I was like, it was it, but I'm just kind
of an open book like that. But afterwards I realized
how much it helped people like I would. I was
in like New Orleans and this man came up to
me and he was like, I just have to say
thank you so much. He's like, nothing would console my wife,
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Like she's got been through so many miscarriages.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Nothing that would console my wife.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
He's like, and she was going to like her fifth miscarriage,
and she was watching your show and it made her
feel better.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's the one thing that got her out of bed.
And I was like, oh my god, I started crying.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And I was like, so, you know, I've had so
many stories like this where it's like women don't talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They feel shameful, I know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And there's still so much of a stigma just around
for her fertility struggles. Like what do you wish people
would stop saying or assuming?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, you know, at this point, I think I just
try not to talk about too much when like when
people I keep saying like, you know, so are you
still trying? Are you so like you can still do
this and stuff, I'm like yeah, there's so much to
it that, like I would have to have a surgery
because I have a septom in my in the middle
of my uterus that they found, which is why I've
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had so many misscarriages.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So I have to have a surgery.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And then you have to have all the healing time
and because then it leaves to gar tissue, which also
and then I'm forty five. The egg quality isn't well.
The last time we did egg retrieval there were none.
They came up they were viable for the embryos. So yeah,
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the chances are not good. So you know, and when
people put out like, oh, she's pregnant. If I ate
a big meal, oh she's pregnant, that the stories start going.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I'm like, guys, come on, this is her phone enough flag.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, you know, it's also your life. It's also what
you're what you're putting your body through, what you're up,
what you're up for in that moment, Like, of course,
is the goal at the end of the day to
have a baby, Yes, thank you, but this is also
my body in my life. And yeah, each like each
of these processes obviously take a take a toll.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely they were. There were a few.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Of the scenes I think from the show where I
was on the hormone injections and everything like that, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Wow, I was like okay, and I saw like we're
crying about something and it looked like it was something different.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I was like, well, yeah, I was a bit more emotional,
but I was like shooting like up all like the
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And people don't know that. God, that girl cries a lot.
Like so a lot of hormones going on in this body,
you know.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
But yeah, so I'm off of them now, like just
you know, and Romaine is so supportive and just he's
just so loving and understanding about everything.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And this little guy he calls him his son. So so.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, I think we're kind of at this point
we just we just know it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I don't think either of us. Yeah, we also don't
really talk about it. I think it is just is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And we love our doggies and that's what our life
is going to be. We love to travel, so we're
just looking at the positive so on on what not
having a baby allows us, like things that you sacrifice
for children and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's like, well, we're yeah, just looking as positive, no.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And I mean that is so positive.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean traveling and seeing the world and not having
to worry about a babysitter or going out to dinner.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
There's some perks.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
There are some perks, there are some so yeah, it's
can changed. You can't change what you can't.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Change, of course, you know, and you two love each
other and as long as you guys love your life
together and make each other happy, that's all that matters.
I'm sure. Obviously Romayne sees your efforts and see what
you've put your body through, and you guys know your
answer at.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The end of the day, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
What advice would you give to women who feel like
they have to choose between career success and personal happiness?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Ooh, there's a fine balance. And I think I think
when you start feeling your body. I'm not good at
putting limits on myself.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I go zero to one hundred and I work myself
into the ground. And so I'm not a good example.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Of that because I just I go, go, go until
my body physically gives out. And I'm trying to be
more mindful of that because at the end of the
day if you're not happy, Like career success, it gives
you a lot of sense of achievement and it proposed
you in many ways. But don't put all your eggs
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in one basket because it's like before you know it,
you're gonna like turn around when you're like, oh my god,
like I've wasted like this much time. As far as
like like having a family and doing different things, it's
like and just finding your mate when you're so hyper focused.
I mean, teach their own if that's what you really
really want, but just remember time flights by and and
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there's a it's good to have balance.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I still work and struggle on that every day, like by,
but I think it's very very important because if.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You're your personal happiness affects your business as well, and
your business success that affects your personal happiness, so it's
like they work together, and it's just finding that balance
that works for you.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's different for everybody, but what works for you.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I totally agree. You need to give your body the
time to recharge and rest. So if you can be
a successful business woman and also just maintain your happiness
and take care of your body, that's the perfect balance.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
But that's a little easier, easier said than done, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What's something you've learned about yourself in the last year
that surprised you.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
My inner strength?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I I mean, I know I've always been a very strong,
kind of strong willed person, but the I and I'm
self critical more than I mean, all all these internet
rolls like they've got nothing on me. They're brutal, but
(37:54):
it's like I'm constantly watching and analyzing and judging myself, like.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
On a okay, is this the right thing? And and
what kind of person am I?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like if I do or say something, I'm like, I
judge myself like harshly on things that I say in
you in a way oh well, but I.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Think it makes I think it makes me a better
person though, Like.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean, everyone, you're very you're very self aware, which
is you know, which is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, And so I mean almost a fault where I'm like,
I have to be more mindful of empathy suicide because
I really like I just feel for everybody, and I
go sound for everybody, and that I'm like, I.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Need to take a step back and just focus on myself.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And and I think I'm just very proud of myself
before It's been a lot, and and the amount of.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Chaos that has been going on around and just.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
My ability to just sit back and just remain centered,
remember who I am.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
And and not engage or lash, lash out or or
or when people hit low, I'm not going to hit
lower like I'm like, no, I'm going to take dirope.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And so I think my my strength being able to
do that, I think is one of the most friend.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Of I love that.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Mary, thank you so much for coming on casual Chaos.
Thank you, thank you for having me have the best
day you think a book, a vacation, enjoying a show,
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