Prince Andrew has relinquished his royal titles, he will no longer be called the Duke of York or His Royal Highness, but some believe the Royal Family and even the British Parliament should go further, formally stripping him of those honors. The latest pressure on the Prince comes after emails show Andrew remained in contact with Jeffrey Epstein longer than he admitted, writing “we’re in this together.” Also, the much anticipated posthumous autobiography of Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre comes out this week, where publications with advance copies claim she mentions Andrew more than 80 times in her 400 page book.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October the twentieth and
the sixth year. Slow fall from grace for Prince Andrew
might be complete after he has now given up all
of his royal titles. However, still call him Prince and
with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose.
(00:24):
We hear again there's a fascination with his story. This
is all Epstein related. But Prince Andrew giving up his
royal titles, He's still Prince Andrew though. That's the first
thing I think that came to a lot of people's mind. Well,
you're not a prince anymore. Well, he is.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He that's his birthright by just being born the son
of the queen.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He is a prince, but he is the hold one
of that forever correct.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But he is no longer the Duke of York, and
he will no longer be referred to as his Royal Highness,
And with that he has to relinquish a bunch of
other titles and positions that he was given over the years.
And most reports have been that this was pressure from
the King, and he even admitted discussions with the King,
(01:09):
But certainly there has been a lot of mounting public
pressure on him over the past six years, and certainly
with this book coming out, Virginia Geuphrey's book coming out
posthumously tomorrow. A lot of folks, I mean, this conversation
has never gone away, but it seems to have reached
a fever pitch.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This is folks, as you know, Prince Andrew, it is
that the name besides Trump, this is a name of
the highest profile name. Now, let me be careful and
let me say this correctly. There is no one who
is accusing President Trump of anything any wrongdoing having to
do with any underage.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In fact, Virginia Jeffrey, who has obviously made these claims
against Epstein and certainly against Prince Andrew, has gone out
of her way and went out of her way to
praise President Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So let me say that, and let us make sure
we get that clear. However, he has been dogged by
his affiliation with Epstein. Prince Andrew, however, is the other
in the highest profile name but Robes. He is accused
of criminal wrongdoing.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Correct Virginia Giufrey has said repeatedly that she was loaned
over to him, so to speak, by Epstein at the
age of seventeen, but three specific times, and once when
she was seventeen. It was noted that seventeen is the
age of consent in the UK, and so was this
a crime or not. Regardless, it is not a good
(02:28):
look and certainly not anything that the royal family wants
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well was once was here in New York at Epstein's place,
his private island was another, and then London, I believe
was another place she said this took place, and she
names Prince Andrew. He hasn't faced any criminal charges related
to this, but as far as the public scrutiny being
essentially kicked out of the role of family for all
intents and purposes, and also the financial settlement, this has
(02:56):
dogged and will continue to dog him, and this now
robes it's it sounds like another big deal. It sounds
like another big whoopie dood that he is no longer
going to have these titles. But for all intents and purposes,
it's not necessarily going to change the life he's been
living the past six years because he already gave up
royal duties.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Correct, So this is just another form of public humiliation, yes,
and that is what this is, a public reckoning so
to speak. It doesn't have any actual, yes, real life
impact on him, but certainly this is a big deal.
And look that he denies all of this, and even
with in relinquishing these titles, is still denying any involvement
(03:36):
with Virginia Geufrey. And there is a picture that has
been around for years now, and it was one that
she even actually showed me, but he claims it's a fake,
it's not real, but it's fairly undeniable. Anyone who wants
to go and look at this picture. He has his
arm around her. You see Gilaine Maxwell behind them. Everyone's smiling,
but she looks so young.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
We say, go look at it. Looking with this picture
for years now, it's the picture that's always thrown in there.
But you have to be said, he has at every
turn said he has done absolutely nothing wrong. Now this
came back up and there's we're not finding or we're
not hearing it as much here in the US. When
big things happen with the royal family, it makes headlines
(04:20):
over there. It's a headline every single day that they're
covering this. And what's happened over there over the past
several days is that some yes, you have Virginia Duphra's
book coming out. But also we're now that they're actually
looking into some wrongdoing. Not the wrongdoing having to do
with sexual abuse, but the police over there are now
looking into a recent allegation that's come up.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
That is correct, So they are looking into whether or
not Prince Andrew somehow asked a member of the police
force to get involved with basically making Virginia Dupray look bad,
a smear campaign, so to speak, behind this scenes when
he heard she was going to be speaking out and
(05:02):
speaking up about his alleged involvement with her and Jeffrey Epstein.
And so now because of this new report, it has
been confirmed that police over there are in fact investigating
whether or not this took place.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And again, what punishment might come from that? Nothing? Excuse me,
I should say nothing compared to what could come from
something like a sexual abuse conviction of being hauled into
court for that. But this is still something they're looking into,
and it is new, and this is something Her book
is coming out tomorrow right because she needs to pray
(05:37):
the new book her memoir again, she died in April
of this year by suicide, but she mentions as well
in the book, at least excerpts we've seen that seems
to give some kind of credence to this idea that
he was trying to smear her.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Correct and she said that in the book.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
She claims that Prince Andrew's team tried to what she said,
higher internet trolls to hassle her online. So that's in
addition to perhaps even having a member of his security team, according.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
To her, smear her behind the scenes. So that's all
a part of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We will probably, I think we definitely will run out
and get her book tomorrow when it comes out, But
there have been several outlets that have had early release.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And they've been able to go through it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And according to one UK paper, in her autobiography autobiography
that is released tomorrow that she makes eighty eight separate
references to Prince Andrew across the four hundred pages. So
he is a huge part of this book and a
lot of people are waiting to see what she says, specifically,
if there's anything different or more than what we've heard
(06:42):
publicly from her before the time of her death.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, these titles he's giving up again, I only hear
him refer to as Prince Andrew. But it's a very
big deal over there. He was called the Duke of York.
That was a title that was given to him by
his late mother, the Queen he is. I'm so or
put you on the spot. We can look at our
realth quick. He's younger brother of the king. But how
much younger is he than the king I can't remember.
(07:06):
But Prince Andrew is the younger brother of the king.
We talked about the titles that he is essentially giving
up there. There's all kinds of titles, and there's a
knighthood organization, the oldest order of Knights that he was
a part of. He's having to give that up. Yes,
that hurts you and that's pride and that's public shaming.
But to your point as well you said earlier, Prince,
(07:27):
that will not go away. Now the family does want it,
the family of Virginia Juphray, they let it be known. Yeah,
we want the prince title taken away. I don't know.
It would take an act of Parliament and act to
charl get that from him as well. But that, like
you said, it's his birth right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, so he has now in conjunction with talking with
the King is agreed to obviously not use these titles.
But as you point out, he retains the dukedom, he
retains the title of the Earl of Inverness, the Baron
of I'm not gonna say this right, Billlay and the
prestigious role as Royal Knight Companion of the Order of
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the Garter. And so they say that these titles are
going to become dormant. He still has them technically, but
he's agreed not to use them in any public way
or formally. So yes, an Act of Congress it would
require for him to be formally officially stripped of these titles.
So it is a matter of I guess, a technicality
(08:29):
so to speak, on British law. But yeah, we heard
from Virginia's family. They say we've actually got the statement
from them. We the family of Virginia Roberts Giuffrey, believe
that Prince Andrew's decision to give up his titles is
vindication for our sister and survivors everywhere. The decisive action
is a powerful step forward in our fight to bring
Jeffrey Epstein and Galley Maxwell's child sex trafficking network to justice. Further,
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we believe it is appropriate for King Charles to remove
the title of print.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Again he is not necessarily allowed to do it on
his own, but still it's it's something they want. It's
symbolic at this point, he's not going to jail, right,
Continue with the humulation, continue to take things away from
him that they don't believe he has a right to. Now.
We found out about all of this a couple of
days ago through a statement from Prince Andrew himself and in
a statement in which he once again defended himself and
(09:22):
denied any wrongdoing. He said, and I quote, in discussion
with the King and my immediate and wider family, we
have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the
work of His Majesty and the royal family. I have decided,
as I always have to put my duty to my
family and country first, I stand by my decision five
(09:45):
years ago to stand back from public life. And again,
he hasn't been a working royal, which is a big deal.
To not be a work His family goes around, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's what they do. That's the family business.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It is your responsibility. You do have a duty to
the royal Now to make it sound as if it
sounded noble.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So yeah, So that's what people have been saying that
it's allowing him by not having the King or Parliament
or whomever strip him of these titles and allow him
to offer to give them up, gives him an opportunity
to claim that he's acted honorably, as.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Crazy as it sounds, and saving some fight face.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, because now he is defending the monarchy by falling
on a sword, so he looks as if he is
now doing something for the family instead of actually being
punished by the family, So it's a different look.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He continued here with his statement, saying, with His Majesty's agreement,
we feel I must now go a step further. I
will therefore no longer use my title or the honors
which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously,
I vigorously deny the accusations against me. And that was it.
A couple of lines, and that's it. That's over. When
we're going to see him again, we do not know
(11:04):
as far as the public events. Is the Christmas one
the only one he's a little no, the Easter one,
it's only one he's.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Allowed to and he has been invited to family gatherings
and weddings and all of those sorts of things. But look,
the papers in Great Britain have gone a stuff for
they're saying that when Prince William becomes king, things will
even get more difficult for Prince Andrew. That all remains
to be seen, but certainly there is a group of
folks who want that to happen, who think more should
(11:33):
be done, that he should be completely wiped away basically
from the public eye when it comes to the royal family.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Just driving the royal family crazy. It's not like we
can just rip off the band aid get this done
in one scandal. It's like every couple of weeks or
months there's another drip, drip, And the latest drip was
the papers over there putting out this email between Prince
Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, allegedly between the two, which what
was the line he said in there? Oh my god,
(12:04):
it was a line he used in there that everybody said,
what the hell, Oh yeah, we're in this together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That was to light recently, which caused as you might imagine, Yes,
this was I believe months after he claimed that he
had stopped speaking to Epstein. The revelations had been made
about what Epstein actually had been up to in terms
of sex trafficking and miners and all of that. So
this is supposedly three months after he publicly distanced himself
(12:33):
from him and then sends him an email that says
we're in this together. That's fairly damaged.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So that's one of the things like here, it's it
didn't make necessarily the headlines. It's everything and everywhere over there.
And that's why there's been kind of this, I guess,
renewed outcry, this renewed backlash against the royal family against
Andrew that they now have made he and you. Obviously
(13:00):
he didn't just walk in and say, hey, guys, I
think I want to do this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Obviously he got pressure to do this. This wasn't just
on him.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And it's just been NonStop and they have been looking
for ways to further distance themselves and this is just
the latest.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I only know, you know what, I don't keep up
with it, and we in this country we keep up
with We have a fascination with the royals.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We do.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Obviously, I'm not sure how and why is it Robes
What was her scandal that when you say Duchess of York,
I always know who that is.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Fergie.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, why I can't remember what her theme was, but
don't They all have the Duke of this, the Duchess
of that, and I don't know who's who, but I
always remember the Duchess of York as Sarah Ferguson. She
is no longer the Duchess of York because of this,
she is.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No longer the Duchess of York. But guess what, I
didn't realize this both Prince Andrew. I had to make
sure I could say Prince Andrew. PRIs Andrew and Fergie
still live in Royal Lodge.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's a big house.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Thirty years after they've been divorced. They are still but
they're thickest thieves like they really do. Still hang out
with one another. Obviously they have their two daughters together.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But there have been there has been much written about
how the King and other members of the royal family
have encouraged Prince Andrew and for Hey to move out
of I believe it's a thirty room Crown Estate property
in Windsor, Yes, Windsor Great Park, Yes, so their Royal
Lodge and Windsor Great Park, But they are still there,
(14:30):
They are still living there, and according to most he
is still a very wealthy individual. He was able to
sell a property that his mother, the Queen, gave him
as a wedding present for I guess fifteen million euros,
so whatever that amounts to a US dollars. So he's
gonna be okay regardless financially speaking, wherever it is he lives.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But right now he's still there.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But I just thought she it's where she loses that
title in all this. That's all I know her and
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm surprised did she still have it even after the divorce.
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Apparently still was still was the Duchess of York. I
don't know how it works over there either, But the
daughters do keep to keep their titles of princess as well,
which was interesting for them.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's got to be really tough.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What to have their dad be this guy, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, and to be still mingling in a part of
the royal family and more of the four show roles.
And certainly they're there on the balcony you see Eugenie,
And I'm trying to think who the other Beutris. Yes,
we see them always alongside other members of the world heavily.
I'm just saying that's that's got to be a tough
position to be in.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know, I'm how old of the girls now, I'm
asking about everybody's age, I'm how old I see them
every once in a while they show up at everything
seemed they.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Seem to be they're they're married and.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, all right, well, folks, stay with us here as
we continue looking up the ages and marital status of
the royal family. When we come back here, we'll tell
you more about Virginia Giuffrey's claims against Prince Andrew, more
about her book that's coming out, and Prince Andrew's life
now that he's given up the titles, what happens to
(16:12):
it now? All right, folks, we continue now with the
story of Prince Andrew giving up all of his titles
and honors, more backlash after his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
Of course, Epstein, the convicted sex offender, died by suicide
(16:35):
while awaiting trial here in New York. Of course, Klaiine
Maxwell is the only person in prison right now who
is serving any jail town has been punished for what
happened in Epstein's circle. Prince Andrew the other we're just
talking about him losing the titles, which means that his
ex wife Sarah Ferguson loses the title of Duchess of York.
The daughters keep the title of princess. And you were
(16:58):
saying they are moving on, doing okay for.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Their grown women.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yes, Princess Beatrice is thirty seven and is married. Princess
Eugenie is thirty five and married. So yes, they are
both going to still be called her Royal Highness princess,
So that is how they are still referred to, and
they will not lose any sort of title or any
sort of status within the royal family.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Now, Prince Andrew, we talked about here robes Idea and
we've been looking at this for quite a while. I
was trying to find anywhere somewhere where his life is
about to change, Like what now that this has happened,
there's more public humiliation. And again it was already there.
He had the epscene staying with them, he doesn't get
to go to family events. What is actually have you seen?
(17:46):
What have you seen that is actually going to change
in his life? That he is going to feel the
impact of this.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It doesn't seem as if much is other than he's
just further publicly humane and he's I can't imagine it's
a good thing for him to walk around and just
be noticed and that I'm sure he is very much
just low key at this point. There's no public outings
(18:14):
for him. The life he once had is gone, and
it's been gone for quite some time, and this is
just further humiliation to a already probably sheltered life. He
tried to do that interview in twenty nineteen and it
ended up blowing up in his face. He thought he
was going to save face and the thing as long
as he continues to deny even knowing Virginia Geufrey let alone,
(18:37):
having done anything untoward with her, and certainly denying that
this photograph is not real, it's just tough to have
any sort of way forward if you're denying and you
won't accept any responsibility.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think that's the hard thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Like, on one hand, he's allowing all of these titles
to be stripped from him, he is going along with
all of that, and yet same time refusing to admit
any sort of behavior that contributed to this situation.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So therefore you can never go forward. He can never
move on.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because he's denying everything and yet allowing certain punishments to
be put in place.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Those two things don't drive.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
If you were absolutely innocent, you would fight to the
end to clear your name.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Is that what he's doing? I mean, he keeps denying.
I mean is that him fighting to the end. I
don't know. He's sixty five years old now. And to
your you maybe think of if you remember who said it,
please jump in. That was a quote from somebody in
the from the Royal office over there about what you
were saying. He keeps denying. He said, let me get
this right. He paid this much money to a woman,
(19:45):
he millions to a woman he never met, for something
he never did. It was supposed to be sarcastic like correct, correct, Hey,
all this money to somebody you never met for something
you never did.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, yes, right, it doesn't. It doesn't jive.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I think obviously anyone who has looked into the
story even remotely could put those two things together. It
doesn't work. You don't pay someone millions of dollars, You
don't allow for all of your titles and very prestigious
honors to be taken away from you, and at the
same time say well, I didn't do it, but okay,
I'll write this check and I'll go away and go
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into hiding, and I'll never ever be called your Royal
Highness again. I'll lose my dukedom. I mean, you just
wouldn't do those things. You wouldn't willingly do those things
if you were completely innocent.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And this is something he will never I mean, I
don't know what could possibly happen. I don't know he
could ever get away from There was a woman who
died by suicide this year who went to her grave
saying that Prince Andrew sexually abused her, but she was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Years old, correct, And that book is coming out tomorrow
on Tuesday. Nobody's Girl is the name of the book
and one of the look again. We haven't read through
the book yet, looking forward to doing so tomorrow, but
one of the big lines that had been released by
many many news agencies is that she wrote before her death.
Drewfrey wrote that Prince Andrew acted as if he believed
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having sex with me was his birthright. That was the
headline everywhere when certain excerpts started coming out from her book,
and that's one that he is not going to survive
in terms of just his role in the royal family.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe this was part of it. Two, just getting ahead
of what's coming with his book, maybe that was a
part of it as well, But that he can't get
away from what was the thing here in New York.
Even in New York, they were the storage place. You
remember the sign o. Yes, it was safe, secure, with
minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. This was like a
random Do you remembered that? Because it was everywhere. It
(21:43):
was shocking, it was that's not funny, even though it
is right. They made a joke. A Manhattan storage company
uses that. They do some playful ones. They are known.
Was it Manhattan Storage.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right, Yes, yes, they love to have some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
They poke fun at a bunch of but that safe,
secure and with minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. That
is what is chasing him. Right. Trump went over and
he's greeted by Epstein photos being put up on the
council and then over here you got this thing just
Epstein and his death. What was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Well, twenty nineteen was his death just to.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Think the impact he is still having anybody who was
in his orbit and how their lives have changed. But
as it, Prince Andrew is still Prince Andrew. But that's
the only title he still has.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, so yeah, even I do find it ironic though,
with Virginia writing about how he thought it was his
birthright to have heard basically he has now lost his
birthright pretty much in every other way in terms of
all of the titles and just the dukedom. I mean,
it's a huge, huge deal. This is another level of disgrace.
I believe they said that no royal family member has
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been stripped of their dukedom. It's been over one hundred years,
so this is virtually unprecedented and certainly in modern times
to have a prince lose his titles the way Prince
Andrew has now official way.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
We will continue to keep our eye on this story.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It is certainly still developing with the book out tomorrow,
but in the meantime, thank you so much for listening
to us everyone.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October the twentieth and
the sixth year. Slow fall from grace for Prince Andrew
might be complete after he has now given up all
of his royal titles. However, still call him Prince and
with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose.
(00:24):
We hear again there's a fascination with his story. This
is all Epstein related. But Prince Andrew giving up his
royal titles, He's still Prince Andrew though. That's the first
thing I think that came to a lot of people's mind. Well,
you're not a prince anymore. Well, he is.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He that's his birthright by just being born the son
of the queen.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He is a prince, but he is the hold one
of that forever correct.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But he is no longer the Duke of York, and
he will no longer be referred to as his Royal Highness,
And with that he has to relinquish a bunch of
other titles and positions that he was given over the years.
And most reports have been that this was pressure from
the King, and he even admitted discussions with the King,
(01:09):
But certainly there has been a lot of mounting public
pressure on him over the past six years, and certainly
with this book coming out, Virginia Geuphrey's book coming out
posthumously tomorrow. A lot of folks, I mean, this conversation
has never gone away, but it seems to have reached
a fever pitch.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This is folks, as you know, Prince Andrew, it is
that the name besides Trump, this is a name of
the highest profile name. Now, let me be careful and
let me say this correctly. There is no one who
is accusing President Trump of anything any wrongdoing having to
do with any underage.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In fact, Virginia Jeffrey, who has obviously made these claims
against Epstein and certainly against Prince Andrew, has gone out
of her way and went out of her way to
praise President Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So let me say that, and let us make sure
we get that clear. However, he has been dogged by
his affiliation with Epstein. Prince Andrew, however, is the other
in the highest profile name but Robes. He is accused
of criminal wrongdoing.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Correct Virginia Giufrey has said repeatedly that she was loaned
over to him, so to speak, by Epstein at the
age of seventeen, but three specific times, and once when
she was seventeen. It was noted that seventeen is the
age of consent in the UK, and so was this
a crime or not. Regardless, it is not a good
(02:28):
look and certainly not anything that the royal family wants
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well was once was here in New York at Epstein's place,
his private island was another, and then London, I believe
was another place she said this took place, and she
names Prince Andrew. He hasn't faced any criminal charges related
to this, but as far as the public scrutiny being
essentially kicked out of the role of family for all
intents and purposes, and also the financial settlement, this has
(02:56):
dogged and will continue to dog him, and this now
robes it's it sounds like another big deal. It sounds
like another big whoopie dood that he is no longer
going to have these titles. But for all intents and purposes,
it's not necessarily going to change the life he's been
living the past six years because he already gave up
royal duties.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Correct, So this is just another form of public humiliation, yes,
and that is what this is, a public reckoning so
to speak. It doesn't have any actual, yes, real life
impact on him, but certainly this is a big deal.
And look that he denies all of this, and even
with in relinquishing these titles, is still denying any involvement
(03:36):
with Virginia Geufrey. And there is a picture that has
been around for years now, and it was one that
she even actually showed me, but he claims it's a fake,
it's not real, but it's fairly undeniable. Anyone who wants
to go and look at this picture. He has his
arm around her. You see Gilaine Maxwell behind them. Everyone's smiling,
but she looks so young.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
We say, go look at it. Looking with this picture
for years now, it's the picture that's always thrown in there.
But you have to be said, he has at every
turn said he has done absolutely nothing wrong. Now this
came back up and there's we're not finding or we're
not hearing it as much here in the US. When
big things happen with the royal family, it makes headlines
(04:20):
over there. It's a headline every single day that they're
covering this. And what's happened over there over the past
several days is that some yes, you have Virginia Duphra's
book coming out. But also we're now that they're actually
looking into some wrongdoing. Not the wrongdoing having to do
with sexual abuse, but the police over there are now
looking into a recent allegation that's come up.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
That is correct, So they are looking into whether or
not Prince Andrew somehow asked a member of the police
force to get involved with basically making Virginia Dupray look bad,
a smear campaign, so to speak, behind this scenes when
he heard she was going to be speaking out and
(05:02):
speaking up about his alleged involvement with her and Jeffrey Epstein.
And so now because of this new report, it has
been confirmed that police over there are in fact investigating
whether or not this took place.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And again, what punishment might come from that? Nothing? Excuse me,
I should say nothing compared to what could come from
something like a sexual abuse conviction of being hauled into
court for that. But this is still something they're looking into,
and it is new, and this is something Her book
is coming out tomorrow right because she needs to pray
(05:37):
the new book her memoir again, she died in April
of this year by suicide, but she mentions as well
in the book, at least excerpts we've seen that seems
to give some kind of credence to this idea that
he was trying to smear her.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Correct and she said that in the book.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
She claims that Prince Andrew's team tried to what she said,
higher internet trolls to hassle her online. So that's in
addition to perhaps even having a member of his security team, according.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
To her, smear her behind the scenes. So that's all
a part of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We will probably, I think we definitely will run out
and get her book tomorrow when it comes out, But
there have been several outlets that have had early release.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
And they've been able to go through it.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And according to one UK paper, in her autobiography autobiography
that is released tomorrow that she makes eighty eight separate
references to Prince Andrew across the four hundred pages. So
he is a huge part of this book and a
lot of people are waiting to see what she says, specifically,
if there's anything different or more than what we've heard
(06:42):
publicly from her before the time of her death.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, these titles he's giving up again, I only hear
him refer to as Prince Andrew. But it's a very
big deal over there. He was called the Duke of York.
That was a title that was given to him by
his late mother, the Queen he is. I'm so or
put you on the spot. We can look at our
realth quick. He's younger brother of the king. But how
much younger is he than the king I can't remember.
(07:06):
But Prince Andrew is the younger brother of the king.
We talked about the titles that he is essentially giving
up there. There's all kinds of titles, and there's a
knighthood organization, the oldest order of Knights that he was
a part of. He's having to give that up. Yes,
that hurts you and that's pride and that's public shaming.
But to your point as well you said earlier, Prince,
(07:27):
that will not go away. Now the family does want it,
the family of Virginia Juphray, they let it be known. Yeah,
we want the prince title taken away. I don't know.
It would take an act of Parliament and act to
charl get that from him as well. But that, like
you said, it's his birth right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, so he has now in conjunction with talking with
the King is agreed to obviously not use these titles.
But as you point out, he retains the dukedom, he
retains the title of the Earl of Inverness, the Baron
of I'm not gonna say this right, Billlay and the
prestigious role as Royal Knight Companion of the Order of
(08:04):
the Garter. And so they say that these titles are
going to become dormant. He still has them technically, but
he's agreed not to use them in any public way
or formally. So yes, an Act of Congress it would
require for him to be formally officially stripped of these titles.
So it is a matter of I guess, a technicality
(08:29):
so to speak, on British law. But yeah, we heard
from Virginia's family. They say we've actually got the statement
from them. We the family of Virginia Roberts Giuffrey, believe
that Prince Andrew's decision to give up his titles is
vindication for our sister and survivors everywhere. The decisive action
is a powerful step forward in our fight to bring
Jeffrey Epstein and Galley Maxwell's child sex trafficking network to justice. Further,
(08:54):
we believe it is appropriate for King Charles to remove
the title of print.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Again he is not necessarily allowed to do it on
his own, but still it's it's something they want. It's
symbolic at this point, he's not going to jail, right,
Continue with the humulation, continue to take things away from
him that they don't believe he has a right to. Now.
We found out about all of this a couple of
days ago through a statement from Prince Andrew himself and in
a statement in which he once again defended himself and
(09:22):
denied any wrongdoing. He said, and I quote, in discussion
with the King and my immediate and wider family, we
have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the
work of His Majesty and the royal family. I have decided,
as I always have to put my duty to my
family and country first, I stand by my decision five
(09:45):
years ago to stand back from public life. And again,
he hasn't been a working royal, which is a big deal.
To not be a work His family goes around, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's what they do. That's the family business.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It is your responsibility. You do have a duty to
the royal Now to make it sound as if it
sounded noble.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So yeah, So that's what people have been saying that
it's allowing him by not having the King or Parliament
or whomever strip him of these titles and allow him
to offer to give them up, gives him an opportunity
to claim that he's acted honorably, as.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Crazy as it sounds, and saving some fight face.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, because now he is defending the monarchy by falling
on a sword, so he looks as if he is
now doing something for the family instead of actually being
punished by the family, So it's a different look.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He continued here with his statement, saying, with His Majesty's agreement,
we feel I must now go a step further. I
will therefore no longer use my title or the honors
which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously,
I vigorously deny the accusations against me. And that was it.
A couple of lines, and that's it. That's over. When
we're going to see him again, we do not know
(11:04):
as far as the public events. Is the Christmas one
the only one he's a little no, the Easter one,
it's only one he's.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Allowed to and he has been invited to family gatherings
and weddings and all of those sorts of things. But look,
the papers in Great Britain have gone a stuff for
they're saying that when Prince William becomes king, things will
even get more difficult for Prince Andrew. That all remains
to be seen, but certainly there is a group of
folks who want that to happen, who think more should
(11:33):
be done, that he should be completely wiped away basically
from the public eye when it comes to the royal family.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Just driving the royal family crazy. It's not like we
can just rip off the band aid get this done
in one scandal. It's like every couple of weeks or
months there's another drip, drip, And the latest drip was
the papers over there putting out this email between Prince
Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, allegedly between the two, which what
was the line he said in there? Oh my god,
(12:04):
it was a line he used in there that everybody said,
what the hell, Oh yeah, we're in this together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That was to light recently, which caused as you might imagine, Yes,
this was I believe months after he claimed that he
had stopped speaking to Epstein. The revelations had been made
about what Epstein actually had been up to in terms
of sex trafficking and miners and all of that. So
this is supposedly three months after he publicly distanced himself
(12:33):
from him and then sends him an email that says
we're in this together. That's fairly damaged.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So that's one of the things like here, it's it
didn't make necessarily the headlines. It's everything and everywhere over there.
And that's why there's been kind of this, I guess,
renewed outcry, this renewed backlash against the royal family against
Andrew that they now have made he and you. Obviously
(13:00):
he didn't just walk in and say, hey, guys, I
think I want to do this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Obviously he got pressure to do this. This wasn't just
on him.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And it's just been NonStop and they have been looking
for ways to further distance themselves and this is just
the latest.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I only know, you know what, I don't keep up
with it, and we in this country we keep up
with We have a fascination with the royals.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We do.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Obviously, I'm not sure how and why is it Robes
What was her scandal that when you say Duchess of York,
I always know who that is.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Fergie.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, why I can't remember what her theme was, but
don't They all have the Duke of this, the Duchess
of that, and I don't know who's who, but I
always remember the Duchess of York as Sarah Ferguson. She
is no longer the Duchess of York because of this,
she is.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No longer the Duchess of York. But guess what, I
didn't realize this both Prince Andrew. I had to make
sure I could say Prince Andrew. PRIs Andrew and Fergie
still live in Royal Lodge.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's a big house.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Thirty years after they've been divorced. They are still but
they're thickest thieves like they really do. Still hang out
with one another. Obviously they have their two daughters together.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But there have been there has been much written about
how the King and other members of the royal family
have encouraged Prince Andrew and for Hey to move out
of I believe it's a thirty room Crown Estate property
in Windsor, Yes, Windsor Great Park, Yes, so their Royal
Lodge and Windsor Great Park, But they are still there,
(14:30):
They are still living there, and according to most he
is still a very wealthy individual. He was able to
sell a property that his mother, the Queen, gave him
as a wedding present for I guess fifteen million euros,
so whatever that amounts to a US dollars. So he's
gonna be okay regardless financially speaking, wherever it is he lives.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But right now he's still there.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But I just thought she it's where she loses that
title in all this. That's all I know her and
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm surprised did she still have it even after the divorce.
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Apparently still was still was the Duchess of York. I
don't know how it works over there either, But the
daughters do keep to keep their titles of princess as well,
which was interesting for them.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's got to be really tough.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What to have their dad be this guy, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, and to be still mingling in a part of
the royal family and more of the four show roles.
And certainly they're there on the balcony you see Eugenie,
And I'm trying to think who the other Beutris. Yes,
we see them always alongside other members of the world heavily.
I'm just saying that's that's got to be a tough
position to be in.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know, I'm how old of the girls now, I'm
asking about everybody's age, I'm how old I see them
every once in a while they show up at everything
seemed they.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Seem to be they're they're married and.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, all right, well, folks, stay with us here as
we continue looking up the ages and marital status of
the royal family. When we come back here, we'll tell
you more about Virginia Giuffrey's claims against Prince Andrew, more
about her book that's coming out, and Prince Andrew's life
now that he's given up the titles, what happens to
(16:12):
it now? All right, folks, we continue now with the
story of Prince Andrew giving up all of his titles
and honors, more backlash after his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
Of course, Epstein, the convicted sex offender, died by suicide
(16:35):
while awaiting trial here in New York. Of course, Klaiine
Maxwell is the only person in prison right now who
is serving any jail town has been punished for what
happened in Epstein's circle. Prince Andrew the other we're just
talking about him losing the titles, which means that his
ex wife Sarah Ferguson loses the title of Duchess of York.
The daughters keep the title of princess. And you were
(16:58):
saying they are moving on, doing okay for.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Their grown women.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yes, Princess Beatrice is thirty seven and is married. Princess
Eugenie is thirty five and married. So yes, they are
both going to still be called her Royal Highness princess,
So that is how they are still referred to, and
they will not lose any sort of title or any
sort of status within the royal family.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Now, Prince Andrew, we talked about here robes Idea and
we've been looking at this for quite a while. I
was trying to find anywhere somewhere where his life is
about to change, Like what now that this has happened,
there's more public humiliation. And again it was already there.
He had the epscene staying with them, he doesn't get
to go to family events. What is actually have you seen?
(17:46):
What have you seen that is actually going to change
in his life? That he is going to feel the
impact of this.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It doesn't seem as if much is other than he's
just further publicly humane and he's I can't imagine it's
a good thing for him to walk around and just
be noticed and that I'm sure he is very much
just low key at this point. There's no public outings
(18:14):
for him. The life he once had is gone, and
it's been gone for quite some time, and this is
just further humiliation to a already probably sheltered life. He
tried to do that interview in twenty nineteen and it
ended up blowing up in his face. He thought he
was going to save face and the thing as long
as he continues to deny even knowing Virginia Geufrey let alone,
(18:37):
having done anything untoward with her, and certainly denying that
this photograph is not real, it's just tough to have
any sort of way forward if you're denying and you
won't accept any responsibility.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think that's the hard thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Like, on one hand, he's allowing all of these titles
to be stripped from him, he is going along with
all of that, and yet same time refusing to admit
any sort of behavior that contributed to this situation.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So therefore you can never go forward. He can never
move on.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because he's denying everything and yet allowing certain punishments to
be put in place.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Those two things don't drive.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
If you were absolutely innocent, you would fight to the
end to clear your name.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Is that what he's doing? I mean, he keeps denying.
I mean is that him fighting to the end. I
don't know. He's sixty five years old now. And to
your you maybe think of if you remember who said it,
please jump in. That was a quote from somebody in
the from the Royal office over there about what you
were saying. He keeps denying. He said, let me get
this right. He paid this much money to a woman,
(19:45):
he millions to a woman he never met, for something
he never did. It was supposed to be sarcastic like correct, correct, Hey,
all this money to somebody you never met for something
you never did.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, yes, right, it doesn't. It doesn't jive.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I think obviously anyone who has looked into the
story even remotely could put those two things together. It
doesn't work. You don't pay someone millions of dollars, You
don't allow for all of your titles and very prestigious
honors to be taken away from you, and at the
same time say well, I didn't do it, but okay,
I'll write this check and I'll go away and go
(20:20):
into hiding, and I'll never ever be called your Royal
Highness again. I'll lose my dukedom. I mean, you just
wouldn't do those things. You wouldn't willingly do those things
if you were completely innocent.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And this is something he will never I mean, I
don't know what could possibly happen. I don't know he
could ever get away from There was a woman who
died by suicide this year who went to her grave
saying that Prince Andrew sexually abused her, but she was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Years old, correct, And that book is coming out tomorrow
on Tuesday. Nobody's Girl is the name of the book
and one of the look again. We haven't read through
the book yet, looking forward to doing so tomorrow, but
one of the big lines that had been released by
many many news agencies is that she wrote before her death.
Drewfrey wrote that Prince Andrew acted as if he believed
(21:05):
having sex with me was his birthright. That was the
headline everywhere when certain excerpts started coming out from her book,
and that's one that he is not going to survive
in terms of just his role in the royal family.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe this was part of it. Two, just getting ahead
of what's coming with his book, maybe that was a
part of it as well, But that he can't get
away from what was the thing here in New York.
Even in New York, they were the storage place. You
remember the sign o. Yes, it was safe, secure, with
minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. This was like a
random Do you remembered that? Because it was everywhere. It
(21:43):
was shocking, it was that's not funny, even though it
is right. They made a joke. A Manhattan storage company
uses that. They do some playful ones. They are known.
Was it Manhattan Storage.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right, Yes, yes, they love to have some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
They poke fun at a bunch of but that safe,
secure and with minimal charges, just like Prince Andrew. That
is what is chasing him. Right. Trump went over and
he's greeted by Epstein photos being put up on the
council and then over here you got this thing just
Epstein and his death. What was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Well, twenty nineteen was his death just to.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Think the impact he is still having anybody who was
in his orbit and how their lives have changed. But
as it, Prince Andrew is still Prince Andrew. But that's
the only title he still has.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, so yeah, even I do find it ironic though,
with Virginia writing about how he thought it was his
birthright to have heard basically he has now lost his
birthright pretty much in every other way in terms of
all of the titles and just the dukedom. I mean,
it's a huge, huge deal. This is another level of disgrace.
I believe they said that no royal family member has
(22:53):
been stripped of their dukedom. It's been over one hundred years,
so this is virtually unprecedented and certainly in modern times
to have a prince lose his titles the way Prince
Andrew has now official way.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
We will continue to keep our eye on this story.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It is certainly still developing with the book out tomorrow,
but in the meantime, thank you so much for listening
to us everyone.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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