January 17, 2025 • 31 mins
They may have left their polygamist marriage to Kody, but famous “Sister Wives” Janelle & Christine Brown are bonded for life. They share how they feel about eventually changing their last name, the challenges keeping up with the other ladies and their kids and give honest updates on their current love lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Hey, Hello, I'm Christine Lily, I'm Janelle Brown, and
you know us.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're all over each other. We're all from TLC's Sister Wise.
We were sister Wise well still are considered a sister.
We live plurally thirty years for thirty years, yeah, thirty years,
thirty years crazy. So it was all about our life
living plural marriage together and you get to see the
ins and outs and daily struggles and achievements and watch
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our kids grow up. And it's a wonderful thing to
watch on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Nights now, especially as we're evolving and living different lives,
you know, separate from Cody. Obviously we're no longer all
together as a family. There's this real challenge of trying
to figure out how to hold the family unit together
and how to navigate this new life. And so anyway,
you're welcome to check us out anytime TLC Sunday nights.
Check your local listings.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're so excited to be here on this podcast. I'm
interviewing Janelle, just kidding, just kidding, and I'm interviewing her.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So like, yeah, you got to get to be sort
of just a sort of like a fly on the wall.
I guess during our during our conversation or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, usually we're not so structured. I feel like this
is going to be a little bit more structured for us.
But that's okay to have structure too.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I think so too. I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I love it, you know me.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Usually it's like a, I know it must trive you
crazy because it's like my text are like stream of consciousness.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I know it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well no, no, no, If I have and this and this, I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Used to you after all of these years, it's fine.
It's always a phone call too, you know, if the
text get too confusing, it's just a phone call. And
that works. True.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So it's interesting. I mean especially I was thinking about
this today. So A, when are you going to get
a house in North Carolina? Because now not even.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, you can have the house at the beach or
something like if I was getting get like another short
term rental, I think that'd be great. We really would
love to own one in North Carolina, but definitely not
not living there, to know, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Oh no, not living. I just figured there would be
some sort of a rental.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, a short term sort of, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Is a great place here. And there's a lot of
beach here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Now, there is a lot of beach, especially like once
you hit like a Charlotte area or something like, there's
a lot of beach.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's a there's a big lake there. But we're not
very far from the beach here, So.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Outer Banks that's the word, not Charlotte, you have there.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
There's so much beach and so interesting here because in California, right,
it's like it's so much like there's a lot of
areas that you can't go to.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But yeah, no there it's great. So no, you are right,
we definitely need to do a short term rental there
for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. So anyway, so I know I was about that
we haven't seen each other in person for a couple
of months, guess.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
In December, like David and I flew the December. We
decided we're just going to do that every year, just
so I think everybody every Christmas, is it. Yeah, yeah,
now that we're all spread of heart, we just have
to make extra effort to see everything.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, I think so too, And I need to make
it a point to be more in that area. So
like area see see the kids that are there, you know,
spend some time in Vegas. Yes, yeah, so I hope that,
you know, I hope that we can be a little
bit more. I think it's like, you know, as we
start to think about the family dynamic going forward, Yeah,
I mean I feel like that might be the most
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challenging thing, right, I think that our identity is there,
like we definitely identify as a family. We think of
it as a family. Yeah, but just like you know,
I think that's going to be some of the challenges, right,
is everybody is getting so spread out. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I agree. So it's and everybody has such busy,
busy lives for getting everybody to get together, and then
it's expensive when you start having kids and it's a lot.
But I do think like a yearly family re union
would be so awesome at a different location, Like I think, yeah,
that's yeah, that's it. After this, I'm going to start
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coordinating on the calendar South Dakota that I.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Don't I don't know, because we're gonna have Maddie's gonna
have a brand new baby. Oh do you know what
I mean? So maybe you guys could come east more
east this year. I don't know, but but yeah, so
I don't know. I think that's going to be the
biggest challenge, right, is to make do some intentional time
where we're all together for whatever reason. Like we've been lucky, right,
(04:40):
We've had different groups of people for holidays, like different
groups of kids, and I'm glad for that. But I
think that's going to be one of the biggest challenges
going forward, is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Seeing each other enough.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, keeping that contact right because you're so busy and
I'm so busy, and we live on very different sides
of the country.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I can't believe you moved all the way to the
East coast.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's absolutely I never foresaw I never foresaw it, you know, huh,
never thought about it. Never never thought, oh, I'm gonna
move to the south or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, I mean, there's so many things in our life
that are different now than they ever were before that
we never dreamed we would be at so novellay.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Fact, when you say Christine Wooley, I'm like, uh, oh, yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's a pain in the butt to change your name
when you're older. By the way, Oh my god, it's
a pain in the butt. Like when you're younger, it's
like you're not even that established in the world now
when you are older. It takes so long. There's still
some things. I'm Christine Brown, and I'm like, I've just
got to get it changed over.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That would be so interesting. Yeah, so I'm gonna spell
I'm gonna stay Brown because my kids came around, and
I don't intend to remarry, so I think stay Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wait, well, keep it like three thousand things in that
one sentence. Okay, first of all, sure, just get You're
gonna stay brown. I get it. He truly told me.
One day. She goes, what if we're at the airport
and you and David are there, and then I'm there too,
When your last name is inteven brown and my last
name is Brown, and I'm like, I don't know who
these people are. I'm like, okay, whatever, so I'll keep
Brown for a while, but I'll have Wooly too. And
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then you said you're never going to remarry. Really no,
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So I've been thinking a lot a I'm not really
even interested in dating at all. I know you keep
trying to get me to like go out, use the
matchmaker or.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I know, and David David thinks you should courts.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Totally pushing me when he was here in December, He's like,
you need to blah blah blah, you need blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So look, I'm really good right now. Like I feel
like it's kind of nice because I'm I'm building this
new life and I'm thinking about a new house and
I get to make all the decisions, like I get
to do exactly what I want.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes you do, Yes you do. That is very very true.
Like before, in our previous life, we always had someone
who had an input and everything, like Cody had an input,
like especially that.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, David has input right, Like, No, David.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Has more than input. He has real opinions, like real
strong opinions on things. And he is a ask It's
not you just he's a very high communicator. So we
figure out everything and there's no what is that, there's
a stupid you don't like you ask permission or forgive
I don't ask permission anyway, but anyway, No, he's a
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very high communicator and he always has an opinion on
how things should be too. I love it because it's
really just like a team. It's perfect for me. I
was always looking for that team situation, So this is
perfect for me.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, it is. It probably is, Like I mean, that
would be a big contrast, I would think. Yeah, I
remember when I went I met you guys in Moab
last year. I was shocked how much he helped, was helping,
like he was just co like he was co like
he was a partner in this like camping experience you're having,
which was so different for me to see, like I
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don't know, like Cody was always spread so thin or
I don't know, you know what I mean, And so
it was really interesting to see somebody. And I watched
Maddie and Caleb do that too, like we're Caleb's downstairs
packing the kids lunch, and you know, like they were
just their team, They're a team. Yeah, that would be
so very different because I think in plural at least
when we were living plural marriage, I really had to
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do a lot for myself. And then as my children
got older, they started kind of being sort of my help,
you know. And I just think that's the nature of
the families, you know, when you have such a big family.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think so too. We're very like both of us
were very very independent. We raised our kids really independently.
Even when we lived together. I do think our parents
we had parenting styles that were similar, parenting styles that
were different and everything. And I think that we worked
really well in making sure that everybody's needs were met
and stuff. But I think one of the reasons why
(08:59):
it was good is we were all independent stuff. But
I did rely on you and you did rely on me,
and we did each other with raising the kids too.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Especially when they were so young. Right, yeah, like my
children still, I mean, like you're still this very big
part of their life. And when I was thinking about
I don't know, every time they're like, oh, whatever is
Christine doing, they always want to know what you're doing
for the holidays and stuff, because I think that's just
part of the fabric of the way they think.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No it is. Yeah, I agree, I agree that when
we like, I don't know how much of it was
actual like intention of I do think I remember sitting
down before maybe well Logan was just barely born, because
all three of us were married before Logan was born,
and I remember sitting down and figuring that we just
wanted our kids to be siblings and they would all
just be siblings, and I know that we'd accomplish that.
(09:50):
And that's why I look at our family as a
success because I really feel like our kids see each
other as siblings.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, I agree, and I think they always knew so,
Like I mean one of the of things I don't know,
like I that you were always the fun house, right
everywhere we lived. You were the fun house they like
because you were never afraid even when the kids were little,
to let them do messy, messy projects and like do
all the fun things. And the party is always at
Christine's house, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So we still have that. We still my love language
is throwing parties. So it is. But no, it's great.
And I think that our kids have just learned that
they have two moms. They just do and you're there
for things that they need. I'm there for things that
they need, and they know who to ask things. They
know who's going to say yes, they know who the
y s moms are. You know, even I think I know, Yeah,
(10:39):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
This year Call the Days was fun because I had everybody.
I think you had everybody at New Year's right, Yeah,
a lot of kids. I had a bunch of Thanksgiving
and that was super fun, so nice.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And then we came out in December, which was also
really nice. I'm definitely going to do that again now.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I thought that was so fun because it was great
to make sure that we all saw each other, right,
because the kids didn't always as free to travel as
you and I are, right. And then Christmas was so quiet.
So Peyton was here, yes, and it was just Maddie
and Caleb, Savannah, Peyton and I and the kids. And
I think that's oh my God for him because it
was so it was so quiet, like we played games
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all day. It was so very strange, probably compared to
that Christmas is used.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
To be so quiet, that's crazy. Well, what we had
a real floating Christmas, like we had people coming over
starving for about the twenty third through New Year's We
had just different groups of people every day that would
just come in. So we never had a big, huge,
huge family gathering. It was a bunch of small ones.
It was lovely, so a lot different conversations and Christmas.
(11:46):
New Year's Eve was a blast and as a blast, yeah,
my kids were to go, oh, it was lovely. It
was one of the better Christmas, our New Year's Eves
I've ever been to. It was just good. We had
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Good good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So have you talked to Cody like recently as far
as the property goes and stuff, And you think.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh, yeah, there is there are some updates and so
obviously everybody will find out about that as the you know,
as the season progresses.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So there are so there are updates.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There are some updates, good updates. I need to probably
come to town and see you and David and just
will go out to dinner. I got to see my sister, Like,
we'll just kind of catch up because it's been a
minute since we were like we had a chance to
see each other without like the whole family being around.
Because when the whole family's around, I want to we
want to do the whole family thing, right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So, yes, we we'll see each other next month for
the cruise. Yes, we'll see each other then on the cruise.
So that would be nice to catch up to. But yeah,
you should definitely come back down when to go writing again.
We're going to have to explore hurricane you know.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, so like I don't really interact
with Cody. Yeah, I've had to continue text and email
will always sort out the property and everything like that.
But I don't know, do you just do you have
much contact with him?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No, I haven't talked to him for a long time,
and there's nothing like, yeah, no, his Birthday's coming up
right around the corner. It's funny. It's funny to think about, huh,
Because our whole life, we had birthdays every month except
for every member.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know, And it was always in January and April.
We're like like week long birthday celebrations, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then October was like just as busy to October
was true.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
October we had Gwen and Gabe and Robin and.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Solomon, and yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So it is kind of there is definitely a different
flow to life, right for me. I mean, you, David
has a lot of kids and they're all there close,
and I know you guys do a lot with David's kids,
but it's a very different flow here, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Like, I bet it's quieter there isn't it it is.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's quieter. It's quieter. And so now for my birthday,
like this year, I have some friends that have a
place in Santa Fe. They're like, you should just come
to Santa Fe. I'm like, okay, so you're turning out
of STAE just being single. I can just like, you know,
go do some things. I mean, I'm like, do I
have to check with an EVANDM like, no, I guess
(14:27):
I can go. I can just say I can go
right like I can. You can impulsively go like that
to a place that's going to be fun.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I love that. I love that so much.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So that's a really different thing because I used to
have to coordinate with everything.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Rightly, and I still coordinate. So I am just as
busy as I was before, I swear, just with all
the different people and all the different moving pieces. And
some of David's kids do live closer, so I think
it's still it's still like a juggling. I feel like
I juggled for years with us, and I'm still kind
of juggling. But I like it. I like it like
that say every yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But you have definitely a more like I mean like
he's definitely there all the time and he's helping with
all the juggling.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, he does everything. David does everything, and he's just
another he's definitely a partner, his hands on dad. It was, Yeah,
whatever the kids need, he just drops it and does it.
That's good. It's been. It's incredible. It really I love
to watch him being a dad and him being a grandpa.
It's the coolest thing if you ever do have a relationship.
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I didn't know that grandpa's could be sexy, but they
really can. It's really they can. I'm like, wow, you
look really cute holding your grandkids. I know, it's a
whole different world, so I did.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I've had some interactions with Mary, and I think she's
been really happy. She's been living her own life, do
you know what I mean. So we've been working cohesively
to sort of get this property situation settled, which has
been nice. I've had I've had I've not had any
interaction with rob and I haven't sought her out. I
don't really overlap her in any part of my life, you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Know, I don't know. No, I haven't talked to Mary
or Robin for years, and I we'll just keep it
like that. I don't need to develop relationship with them. Yeah,
and for business, like after the property stats, you think
that you would still stay in contact with Mary.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't really have that much in common with her,
Like I don't really wish her any bad, ill will
or anything. I just don't really have anything much in common.
We live very different lives, right, And that was one
thing about plural marriage, And I'm grateful for the personal
growth that it brought because I had to learn how
to like a find my own worth right, my own
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who I was as a person and who and I
didn't have to be always comparing. I knew my worth
and I knew what it was. But then you also
have to learn how to accommodate all the different personalities.
And while that's a wonderful thing, it is, it's a challenge.
It's a really hard challenge a lot of times. And
so I mean it's now, it's not part of the
family requirement. It's there's not a whole lot of reason
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to to have relationships with these people, you know what
I mean, who are so different, Like I still have
a great relationship with Mary's child. I really do hope
someday that there will be some reconciliation between our little pod,
you know what I mean, and Robin's kids. I don't know,
but I.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Know that would be great the kids, Definitely, it would
be great if the kids could get together again and
hang out with each other again. I know that my
kids still really miss that and miss Robin's kids, you know,
especially like Isabelle and Gwendola got along really well with Aurora. Yeah,
it's got along really well with Aurora and Brianna. Yeah, definitely, like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
They always were out hanging out together.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so it wouldn't be nice. That's like
the tragedy of it is what happened and us losing
contact with Robin's kids. I think that's that was a
tragedy of leaving.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Certainly if that meant be just something that happened when
we put the family together, you know, there were some bumps.
Maybe when you put take the family apart, there's bumps.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't know. Yeah, I think so it's just bumps
along the way, and it takes time and it takes
just desire to work it out and need to work
it out, you know. And I think right now everything's
okay because everyone really is seeing their own lives.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So I was just thinking the other day, like, wow,
you really did just celebrate your one year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I mean it's been a few days.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's so crazy that it's it's been a year, but
yet it seems like, wow, it's been a year. And
was like, wow, it seems it's only been a year
because it just seems like there's been so much happening, right.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh, I know, it isn't crazy. I'm so glad you came.
Thank you so much. I was so excited you came.
Of course, you were the only one that I invited
out of the other adults. But I loved having you there.
I just consider you one of my best friends and
so having you there was super important to me and
I reallyppreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, if I ever, ever, ever, you're going to be
there too. You never finish, but yes, of course, like
you're part of the package deal, just like you told me.
I was so honored by that, the fact that I
was just part of the deal, like that the kids
and I were just coming along, you know. So I'm
grateful for that. But it was such a beautiful day,
(19:23):
Like it was so just perfect. The weather was perfect.
It was fun to watch you go through the process
of getting kind of that wedding that you never really had,
like choose the cake and choose the value, you know,
the venue.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It was lovely. It was a perfect day. And even
watching the episode, like we had the wedding special that
we watched going through photos, It's always just a happy
day and always just a happy memory. I loved it.
It's one of my favorite days ever.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Was it interesting to watch it back because you were
so involved, Like obviously you were right there, like involved
in doing it, right, is it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
More so for David? More so for David? So David
was like, I don't even know half of everything that
was going on because we were always talking to people
and always that's the thing with the wedding is you
have all these things to do, but then there's always
so many people at the talk show. I'm glad we
limited it. We were going to have more people come,
but I started panicking about, like I have to be
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able to have conversations with people, so we capped it
at three hundred and because I know we both could
have invited more, but I just told David it's just
too stressful for me. But when I look back on
the day, it was absolutely perfect. I didn't have any
stress on the day at all.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh, it was a perfect day. It really, Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
There was only one part where I couldn't find my
shoes that's all I remembered. That might have been negative.
I couldn't find my shoes anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So I know, like ever since our girls have gotten married,
and like you saw all the things that went into
like a maria a wedding these days, right, all the
fun topics. That's very very different. I mean, I I
mean you had I didn't have any kind of a
celebration afterwards, not really, but you did, like you had
a small kind of like is.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
This with our previous marriage? Like, right, oh that was bad?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, it was really different. Right, So I mean we
go and we have a very private ceremony, right versus
a very public ceremony.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yes, what are your thoughts about this? This pause this
for just a minute. So in our culture, plural marriage
is celebrated, like it is an honor to join the
plural family. And but the weddings are very quiet, quiet affairs.
And I don't know it's because of legal reasons. We're
talking about that history. Yeah, there's a history of having
to keep it all under wraps. But I wish so
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badly that in the polygamous community, the plural weddings could
be a big hue celebration as well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know, Like, no, they're not. No, I've been
to them. I've been to several recently and they're the
same as they used to be, and I'm so surprised
because it's not it's been decriminalized now that they live
plural marriage.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, but do they have like bridal showers. I did
it because honestly, I was coming from a place where
it sort of left my family and friends behind. There
wasn't a whole lot of people to invite, you know,
but for you, you had the dinner with like the
reception and thing with like your family.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Right, yeah, yeah, we had the dinner, so we did.
Ours was more quiet, but it was everything that I wanted.
And I had a bridal shower before it was all
like kitchen things and bathroom things, and that's what it
tends to be. More so we go to another kind
of a bridal shower where they had other kinds of
gifts and things like that, like until I was way older,
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because in our community, it's just you know, the other
wives are sometimes there and so it's not like you're
going to get get into my gifts or anything. So
it's always bathroom supplies and kitchen supplies and things like that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's very old fashioned, right, and that you are always
trying to make sure you're careful of everybody's emotions and
coming into a family.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, you want to be careful. You want to be careful.
And so it's it's not just your wedding day. You're
you're changing the whole outcome of this whole family. But
I keep turning into a family celebration or something. I
do like, Robin did a great job for she very
much did.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
She did.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She included us, And I still look on that back
on Robin's wedding day. It's a very positive day and
like hanging out and I felt very like honored and
it was a family celebration. And I just wish that
other plural families could start off like that too. I
think it might be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
See it changed, you know what I mean? So yeah,
like so, I mean it would have been awkward probably
to invite I guess talk about why you and just me.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
A great thing about being older when you get married
is that you really only have to invite the people
that you really want there. There's no obligatory invitations that
go out to some Uncle Bob or uncle jed that
you're like, I really don't want to marry He's gonna
blah blah blah, always just this blah blah blah. We
didn't have to. We really only invited our closest friends
(24:23):
to our wedding, and you were one of our closest friends.
And I'm not I'm not friends with Cody or Mary
or Robin, and so I didn't have to. I only
want to invite who I wanted. So, like there is
a second Yeah, a second marriage.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Could be more selective.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, like you even said, like a second marriage is
a whole different program. And if you ever, we don't
need to leave the sentence you would want to just
go up in jeans on the top of the mountain,
you know, because and you can in a second marriage,
you can. And then same thing when you're just like
a monogamous marriage too, I think it's a lot more
simple as well. But you just get to invite who
you want to invite the closest friends. It was lovely,
(25:02):
It was really cool. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That would be very different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So, yeah, it was you don't have to think of
everybody's feelings along the way or their emotions along the way.
You're just going to celebrate how you would like to. I, well.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
There's no I like that. There's no obligatory thing because
especially when you get married the first time, there's all
this pressure to make sure you include everybody or they
get an invitation or we pour it over all the
guest lists. Right, So, yes, you need to ask me
about my single life and if I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Loving it, I know, right, no kidding, do you have
your life there? You said, it's like really kind of
like more simple and stuff, but it is.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
We're yeah, we're busy. I'm really busy, and I love
living with the grandkids right now, we're all living together
while we sort of start this endeavor, like we've cleared
the ground, those kinds of things. But you should see
it because Christine like it's the trees are like gone.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh really, yeah we again whenever the last time I
was there, we talking about what we were going to
do and like going and seeing it, but didn't look
any different. So it looks so.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So I live with the grandkids and it's it's really
fun to live with little kids again. I really had
missed that part of my life, right, But I get
to go and lay down in my room. I get
to go to my room at eight o'clock and read
my books, and I don't have to worry about all
the bedtime and all everything, you know what I mean.
So that's fun. But I love it because I really
I'm feeling my nervous system sort of ratchet down, because
(26:28):
like there's very little things I have to like be
holding my breath for or waiting for, or trying to
figure out dynamic wise, like because when we were all together,
there was always a lot of family things going on
that we always had to work through, right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Always there was always yeah, no, it seems like there
was always someone that was frustrated about something. Always always,
like whether it be jealousy about something or what if
someone else was getting more or whatever, kid or whatever.
There was always more of a life. After I left
Cody and I lived like anyway before I met David,
(27:05):
I just remember thinking how simple my life was. And
I asked Michelsea, I'm like, is life simple? She's like, yes,
life is simple. I'm like, I don't think I had
a simple life before. She's like, no, no, you really
didn't know it is like it it's simple. I thought
that it was just what it was. I didn't know
I had a complicated life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That funny, Like it's like, I mean, we're busy, right,
I am so busy, so busy, but there's not a
lot of emotional complication. It was very complex, I think
when we were living together, so it's nice now, or
when we were living as a family. So it's nice
now because I can really focus on my personal development.
I can do what I want, I can travel and
(27:47):
go what I and if I want to meet up,
I'm going in next week to Vegas to see the kids.
Like I can just do all of these things right,
and it's really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That is so fun. So next week you're going to
go see the kids in Vegas. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Get to decide how to decorate my house and I
get all by yourself, and I want to have to
have you come deck. I know, I so paralyzed. But
now I'm beginning to find I actually have opinions.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So you know what, of course, of course you have opinions.
So it's going to happen this year, Like what are
you guys going to do this year?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah? So this year, like so my resolution is to
just kind of like get rid of some of the
things that aren't serving me. But I have I have
old habits and old things that I'm like, Okay, I'm
just ready to like change that up, change my habits,
change all this and kind of just get rid of
some of those really noisy distractions in my life. I
(28:40):
don't know, Like, so my resolution means, I think my
resolution this year is is really to start figuring out
what I want to keep in my life and what
is just noise? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You know what I'm going to tell you have to
find your center, of course, you know that's what it is.
You have to find your center and like really make
sure your center is good and your centersle and you
just kind of blossom out from that. But it can
be simple. It can be so simple. So you're looking
at so fine, is what it sounds like?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I guess yeah in a way, in a way, yeah
for sure. What about you? Like, what have you decided
is your kind of your resolution for.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
This days of intention? I want days of intention. I
don't want to go to bed with going what did
I even do today? So I'm done with days of intention.
So I journal, like very religiously. So every day I
hit a balance of working out and journaling and then
cutting sugar. Sugar is not my friend. The older we
get sugar.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh I know, I'm right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it's very I can't touch it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But it's like I know, so that's that's what it is.
It's like it's like just days of intention. So I'm
intentionally taking better care of my body. I'm intentionally taking
better care of my mind, and intention to taking get
better care of my heart. Just intention good. I think that's.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Something like something like that for me, like really just
intentionally designing my life, like kicking things to the curb,
like sugar and those things like yeah, you know, like
things that just like having a life that I want,
designing a life I want.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
So it feels like it's this open canvas, right. Do
you ever go on the interest? I go on Picterest
all the time to recreate like my color I did,
and to recreate like the clothes I wore, the outfits
that I wear and stuff and I did. I did
a lot of recreations during the last couple of years.
I love that for you. A lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's gonna be fun, It's gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Be feah, it's gonna be all right, cool, Hey, good
to see you, good to catch up, to have a
good catch up, So Vegas next weekend. Huh yeah, my schedule.
I'm just telling you, I'm gonna look at my schedules.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That would be fun. We should. I guess we'll see
each other in a month or so.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But we will see each other. I know we've got
a cruise. David's excited to vacation with you again.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know we've traveled pretty well together. Do you know
when you guys do your thing, we do our thing,
and we like sort of meat up and have a meal,
or we see something and have fun together. So it's fun.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
All right, We'll see you at least in a month
or so. Bye, take care nothing fas
Hello, Hey, Hello, I'm Christine Lily, I'm Janelle Brown, and
you know us.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're all over each other. We're all from TLC's Sister Wise.
We were sister Wise well still are considered a sister.
We live plurally thirty years for thirty years, yeah, thirty years,
thirty years crazy. So it was all about our life
living plural marriage together and you get to see the
ins and outs and daily struggles and achievements and watch
(00:39):
our kids grow up. And it's a wonderful thing to
watch on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Nights now, especially as we're evolving and living different lives,
you know, separate from Cody. Obviously we're no longer all
together as a family. There's this real challenge of trying
to figure out how to hold the family unit together
and how to navigate this new life. And so anyway,
you're welcome to check us out anytime TLC Sunday nights.
Check your local listings.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're so excited to be here on this podcast. I'm
interviewing Janelle, just kidding, just kidding, and I'm interviewing her.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So like, yeah, you got to get to be sort
of just a sort of like a fly on the wall.
I guess during our during our conversation or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, usually we're not so structured. I feel like this
is going to be a little bit more structured for us.
But that's okay to have structure too.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I think so too. I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I love it, you know me.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Usually it's like a, I know it must trive you
crazy because it's like my text are like stream of consciousness.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I know it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well no, no, no, If I have and this and this, I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Used to you after all of these years, it's fine.
It's always a phone call too, you know, if the
text get too confusing, it's just a phone call. And
that works. True.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So it's interesting. I mean especially I was thinking about
this today. So A, when are you going to get
a house in North Carolina? Because now not even.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, you can have the house at the beach or
something like if I was getting get like another short
term rental, I think that'd be great. We really would
love to own one in North Carolina, but definitely not
not living there, to know, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Oh no, not living. I just figured there would be
some sort of a rental.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, a short term sort of, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Is a great place here. And there's a lot of
beach here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Now, there is a lot of beach, especially like once
you hit like a Charlotte area or something like, there's
a lot of beach.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's a there's a big lake there. But we're not
very far from the beach here, So.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Outer Banks that's the word, not Charlotte, you have there.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
There's so much beach and so interesting here because in California, right,
it's like it's so much like there's a lot of
areas that you can't go to.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But yeah, no there it's great. So no, you are right,
we definitely need to do a short term rental there
for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. So anyway, so I know I was about that
we haven't seen each other in person for a couple
of months, guess.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
In December, like David and I flew the December. We
decided we're just going to do that every year, just
so I think everybody every Christmas, is it. Yeah, yeah,
now that we're all spread of heart, we just have
to make extra effort to see everything.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, I think so too, And I need to make
it a point to be more in that area. So
like area see see the kids that are there, you know,
spend some time in Vegas. Yes, yeah, so I hope that,
you know, I hope that we can be a little
bit more. I think it's like, you know, as we
start to think about the family dynamic going forward, Yeah,
I mean I feel like that might be the most
(03:37):
challenging thing, right, I think that our identity is there,
like we definitely identify as a family. We think of
it as a family. Yeah, but just like you know,
I think that's going to be some of the challenges, right,
is everybody is getting so spread out. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I agree. So it's and everybody has such busy,
busy lives for getting everybody to get together, and then
it's expensive when you start having kids and it's a lot.
But I do think like a yearly family re union
would be so awesome at a different location, Like I think, yeah,
that's yeah, that's it. After this, I'm going to start
(04:15):
coordinating on the calendar South Dakota that I.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Don't I don't know, because we're gonna have Maddie's gonna
have a brand new baby. Oh do you know what
I mean? So maybe you guys could come east more
east this year. I don't know, but but yeah, so
I don't know. I think that's going to be the
biggest challenge, right, is to make do some intentional time
where we're all together for whatever reason. Like we've been lucky, right,
(04:40):
We've had different groups of people for holidays, like different
groups of kids, and I'm glad for that. But I
think that's going to be one of the biggest challenges
going forward, is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Seeing each other enough.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, keeping that contact right because you're so busy and
I'm so busy, and we live on very different sides
of the country.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I can't believe you moved all the way to the
East coast.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's absolutely I never foresaw I never foresaw it, you know, huh,
never thought about it. Never never thought, oh, I'm gonna
move to the south or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, I mean, there's so many things in our life
that are different now than they ever were before that
we never dreamed we would be at so novellay.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Fact, when you say Christine Wooley, I'm like, uh, oh, yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's a pain in the butt to change your name
when you're older. By the way, Oh my god, it's
a pain in the butt. Like when you're younger, it's
like you're not even that established in the world now
when you are older. It takes so long. There's still
some things. I'm Christine Brown, and I'm like, I've just
got to get it changed over.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That would be so interesting. Yeah, so I'm gonna spell
I'm gonna stay Brown because my kids came around, and
I don't intend to remarry, so I think stay Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wait, well, keep it like three thousand things in that
one sentence. Okay, first of all, sure, just get You're
gonna stay brown. I get it. He truly told me.
One day. She goes, what if we're at the airport
and you and David are there, and then I'm there too,
When your last name is inteven brown and my last
name is Brown, and I'm like, I don't know who
these people are. I'm like, okay, whatever, so I'll keep
Brown for a while, but I'll have Wooly too. And
(06:16):
then you said you're never going to remarry. Really no,
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So I've been thinking a lot a I'm not really
even interested in dating at all. I know you keep
trying to get me to like go out, use the
matchmaker or.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I know, and David David thinks you should courts.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Totally pushing me when he was here in December, He's like,
you need to blah blah blah, you need blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So look, I'm really good right now. Like I feel
like it's kind of nice because I'm I'm building this
new life and I'm thinking about a new house and
I get to make all the decisions, like I get
to do exactly what I want.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes you do, Yes you do. That is very very true.
Like before, in our previous life, we always had someone
who had an input and everything, like Cody had an input,
like especially that.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, David has input right, Like, No, David.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Has more than input. He has real opinions, like real
strong opinions on things. And he is a ask It's
not you just he's a very high communicator. So we
figure out everything and there's no what is that, there's
a stupid you don't like you ask permission or forgive
I don't ask permission anyway, but anyway, No, he's a
(07:32):
very high communicator and he always has an opinion on
how things should be too. I love it because it's
really just like a team. It's perfect for me. I
was always looking for that team situation, So this is
perfect for me.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, it is. It probably is, Like I mean, that
would be a big contrast, I would think. Yeah, I
remember when I went I met you guys in Moab
last year. I was shocked how much he helped, was helping,
like he was just co like he was co like
he was a partner in this like camping experience you're having,
which was so different for me to see, like I
(08:04):
don't know, like Cody was always spread so thin or
I don't know, you know what I mean, And so
it was really interesting to see somebody. And I watched
Maddie and Caleb do that too, like we're Caleb's downstairs
packing the kids lunch, and you know, like they were
just their team, They're a team. Yeah, that would be
so very different because I think in plural at least
when we were living plural marriage, I really had to
(08:27):
do a lot for myself. And then as my children
got older, they started kind of being sort of my help,
you know. And I just think that's the nature of
the families, you know, when you have such a big family.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think so too. We're very like both of us
were very very independent. We raised our kids really independently.
Even when we lived together. I do think our parents
we had parenting styles that were similar, parenting styles that
were different and everything. And I think that we worked
really well in making sure that everybody's needs were met
and stuff. But I think one of the reasons why
(08:59):
it was good is we were all independent stuff. But
I did rely on you and you did rely on me,
and we did each other with raising the kids too.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Especially when they were so young. Right, yeah, like my
children still, I mean, like you're still this very big
part of their life. And when I was thinking about
I don't know, every time they're like, oh, whatever is
Christine doing, they always want to know what you're doing
for the holidays and stuff, because I think that's just
part of the fabric of the way they think.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No it is. Yeah, I agree, I agree that when
we like, I don't know how much of it was
actual like intention of I do think I remember sitting
down before maybe well Logan was just barely born, because
all three of us were married before Logan was born,
and I remember sitting down and figuring that we just
wanted our kids to be siblings and they would all
just be siblings, and I know that we'd accomplish that.
(09:50):
And that's why I look at our family as a
success because I really feel like our kids see each
other as siblings.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, I agree, and I think they always knew so,
Like I mean one of the of things I don't know,
like I that you were always the fun house, right
everywhere we lived. You were the fun house they like
because you were never afraid even when the kids were little,
to let them do messy, messy projects and like do
all the fun things. And the party is always at
Christine's house, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So we still have that. We still my love language
is throwing parties. So it is. But no, it's great.
And I think that our kids have just learned that
they have two moms. They just do and you're there
for things that they need. I'm there for things that
they need, and they know who to ask things. They
know who's going to say yes, they know who the
y s moms are. You know, even I think I know, Yeah,
(10:39):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
This year Call the Days was fun because I had everybody.
I think you had everybody at New Year's right, Yeah,
a lot of kids. I had a bunch of Thanksgiving
and that was super fun, so nice.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And then we came out in December, which was also
really nice. I'm definitely going to do that again now.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I thought that was so fun because it was great
to make sure that we all saw each other, right,
because the kids didn't always as free to travel as
you and I are, right. And then Christmas was so quiet.
So Peyton was here, yes, and it was just Maddie
and Caleb, Savannah, Peyton and I and the kids. And
I think that's oh my God for him because it
was so it was so quiet, like we played games
(11:18):
all day. It was so very strange, probably compared to
that Christmas is used.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
To be so quiet, that's crazy. Well, what we had
a real floating Christmas, like we had people coming over
starving for about the twenty third through New Year's We
had just different groups of people every day that would
just come in. So we never had a big, huge,
huge family gathering. It was a bunch of small ones.
It was lovely, so a lot different conversations and Christmas.
(11:46):
New Year's Eve was a blast and as a blast, yeah,
my kids were to go, oh, it was lovely. It
was one of the better Christmas, our New Year's Eves
I've ever been to. It was just good. We had
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Good good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So have you talked to Cody like recently as far
as the property goes and stuff, And you think.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh, yeah, there is there are some updates and so
obviously everybody will find out about that as the you know,
as the season progresses.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So there are so there are updates.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There are some updates, good updates. I need to probably
come to town and see you and David and just
will go out to dinner. I got to see my sister, Like,
we'll just kind of catch up because it's been a
minute since we were like we had a chance to
see each other without like the whole family being around.
Because when the whole family's around, I want to we
want to do the whole family thing, right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So, yes, we we'll see each other next month for
the cruise. Yes, we'll see each other then on the cruise.
So that would be nice to catch up to. But yeah,
you should definitely come back down when to go writing again.
We're going to have to explore hurricane you know.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, so like I don't really interact
with Cody. Yeah, I've had to continue text and email
will always sort out the property and everything like that.
But I don't know, do you just do you have
much contact with him?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No, I haven't talked to him for a long time,
and there's nothing like, yeah, no, his Birthday's coming up
right around the corner. It's funny. It's funny to think about, huh,
Because our whole life, we had birthdays every month except
for every member.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know, And it was always in January and April.
We're like like week long birthday celebrations, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then October was like just as busy to October
was true.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
October we had Gwen and Gabe and Robin and.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Solomon, and yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So it is kind of there is definitely a different
flow to life, right for me. I mean, you, David
has a lot of kids and they're all there close,
and I know you guys do a lot with David's kids,
but it's a very different flow here, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Like, I bet it's quieter there isn't it it is.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's quieter. It's quieter. And so now for my birthday,
like this year, I have some friends that have a
place in Santa Fe. They're like, you should just come
to Santa Fe. I'm like, okay, so you're turning out
of STAE just being single. I can just like, you know,
go do some things. I mean, I'm like, do I
have to check with an EVANDM like, no, I guess
(14:27):
I can go. I can just say I can go
right like I can. You can impulsively go like that
to a place that's going to be fun.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I love that. I love that so much.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So that's a really different thing because I used to
have to coordinate with everything.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Rightly, and I still coordinate. So I am just as
busy as I was before, I swear, just with all
the different people and all the different moving pieces. And
some of David's kids do live closer, so I think
it's still it's still like a juggling. I feel like
I juggled for years with us, and I'm still kind
of juggling. But I like it. I like it like
that say every yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But you have definitely a more like I mean like
he's definitely there all the time and he's helping with
all the juggling.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, he does everything. David does everything, and he's just
another he's definitely a partner, his hands on dad. It was, Yeah,
whatever the kids need, he just drops it and does it.
That's good. It's been. It's incredible. It really I love
to watch him being a dad and him being a grandpa.
It's the coolest thing if you ever do have a relationship.
(15:27):
I didn't know that grandpa's could be sexy, but they
really can. It's really they can. I'm like, wow, you
look really cute holding your grandkids. I know, it's a
whole different world, so I did.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I've had some interactions with Mary, and I think she's
been really happy. She's been living her own life, do
you know what I mean. So we've been working cohesively
to sort of get this property situation settled, which has
been nice. I've had I've had I've not had any
interaction with rob and I haven't sought her out. I
don't really overlap her in any part of my life, you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Know, I don't know. No, I haven't talked to Mary
or Robin for years, and I we'll just keep it
like that. I don't need to develop relationship with them. Yeah,
and for business, like after the property stats, you think
that you would still stay in contact with Mary.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't really have that much in common with her,
Like I don't really wish her any bad, ill will
or anything. I just don't really have anything much in common.
We live very different lives, right, And that was one
thing about plural marriage, And I'm grateful for the personal
growth that it brought because I had to learn how
to like a find my own worth right, my own
(16:43):
who I was as a person and who and I
didn't have to be always comparing. I knew my worth
and I knew what it was. But then you also
have to learn how to accommodate all the different personalities.
And while that's a wonderful thing, it is, it's a challenge.
It's a really hard challenge a lot of times. And
so I mean it's now, it's not part of the
family requirement. It's there's not a whole lot of reason
(17:07):
to to have relationships with these people, you know what
I mean, who are so different, Like I still have
a great relationship with Mary's child. I really do hope
someday that there will be some reconciliation between our little pod,
you know what I mean, and Robin's kids. I don't know,
but I.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Know that would be great the kids, Definitely, it would
be great if the kids could get together again and
hang out with each other again. I know that my
kids still really miss that and miss Robin's kids, you know,
especially like Isabelle and Gwendola got along really well with Aurora. Yeah,
it's got along really well with Aurora and Brianna. Yeah, definitely, like.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
They always were out hanging out together.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so it wouldn't be nice. That's like
the tragedy of it is what happened and us losing
contact with Robin's kids. I think that's that was a
tragedy of leaving.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Certainly if that meant be just something that happened when
we put the family together, you know, there were some bumps.
Maybe when you put take the family apart, there's bumps.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't know. Yeah, I think so it's just bumps
along the way, and it takes time and it takes
just desire to work it out and need to work
it out, you know. And I think right now everything's
okay because everyone really is seeing their own lives.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So I was just thinking the other day, like, wow,
you really did just celebrate your one year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I mean it's been a few days.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's so crazy that it's it's been a year, but
yet it seems like, wow, it's been a year. And
was like, wow, it seems it's only been a year
because it just seems like there's been so much happening, right.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh, I know, it isn't crazy. I'm so glad you came.
Thank you so much. I was so excited you came.
Of course, you were the only one that I invited
out of the other adults. But I loved having you there.
I just consider you one of my best friends and
so having you there was super important to me and
I reallyppreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, if I ever, ever, ever, you're going to be
there too. You never finish, but yes, of course, like
you're part of the package deal, just like you told me.
I was so honored by that, the fact that I
was just part of the deal, like that the kids
and I were just coming along, you know. So I'm
grateful for that. But it was such a beautiful day,
(19:23):
Like it was so just perfect. The weather was perfect.
It was fun to watch you go through the process
of getting kind of that wedding that you never really had,
like choose the cake and choose the value, you know,
the venue.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It was lovely. It was a perfect day. And even
watching the episode, like we had the wedding special that
we watched going through photos, It's always just a happy
day and always just a happy memory. I loved it.
It's one of my favorite days ever.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Was it interesting to watch it back because you were
so involved, Like obviously you were right there, like involved
in doing it, right, is it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
More so for David? More so for David? So David
was like, I don't even know half of everything that
was going on because we were always talking to people
and always that's the thing with the wedding is you
have all these things to do, but then there's always
so many people at the talk show. I'm glad we
limited it. We were going to have more people come,
but I started panicking about, like I have to be
(20:31):
able to have conversations with people, so we capped it
at three hundred and because I know we both could
have invited more, but I just told David it's just
too stressful for me. But when I look back on
the day, it was absolutely perfect. I didn't have any
stress on the day at all.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh, it was a perfect day. It really, Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
There was only one part where I couldn't find my
shoes that's all I remembered. That might have been negative.
I couldn't find my shoes anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So I know, like ever since our girls have gotten married,
and like you saw all the things that went into
like a maria a wedding these days, right, all the
fun topics. That's very very different. I mean, I I
mean you had I didn't have any kind of a
celebration afterwards, not really, but you did, like you had
a small kind of like is.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
This with our previous marriage? Like, right, oh that was bad?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, it was really different. Right, So I mean we
go and we have a very private ceremony, right versus
a very public ceremony.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yes, what are your thoughts about this? This pause this
for just a minute. So in our culture, plural marriage
is celebrated, like it is an honor to join the
plural family. And but the weddings are very quiet, quiet affairs.
And I don't know it's because of legal reasons. We're
talking about that history. Yeah, there's a history of having
to keep it all under wraps. But I wish so
(21:55):
badly that in the polygamous community, the plural weddings could
be a big hue celebration as well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Maybe they are.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know, Like, no, they're not. No, I've been
to them. I've been to several recently and they're the
same as they used to be, and I'm so surprised
because it's not it's been decriminalized now that they live
plural marriage.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, but do they have like bridal showers. I did
it because honestly, I was coming from a place where
it sort of left my family and friends behind. There
wasn't a whole lot of people to invite, you know,
but for you, you had the dinner with like the
reception and thing with like your family.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Right, yeah, yeah, we had the dinner, so we did.
Ours was more quiet, but it was everything that I wanted.
And I had a bridal shower before it was all
like kitchen things and bathroom things, and that's what it
tends to be. More so we go to another kind
of a bridal shower where they had other kinds of
gifts and things like that, like until I was way older,
(22:54):
because in our community, it's just you know, the other
wives are sometimes there and so it's not like you're
going to get get into my gifts or anything. So
it's always bathroom supplies and kitchen supplies and things like that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's very old fashioned, right, and that you are always
trying to make sure you're careful of everybody's emotions and
coming into a family.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, you want to be careful. You want to be careful.
And so it's it's not just your wedding day. You're
you're changing the whole outcome of this whole family. But
I keep turning into a family celebration or something. I
do like, Robin did a great job for she very
much did.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
She did.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She included us, And I still look on that back
on Robin's wedding day. It's a very positive day and
like hanging out and I felt very like honored and
it was a family celebration. And I just wish that
other plural families could start off like that too. I
think it might be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
See it changed, you know what I mean? So yeah,
like so, I mean it would have been awkward probably
to invite I guess talk about why you and just me.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
A great thing about being older when you get married
is that you really only have to invite the people
that you really want there. There's no obligatory invitations that
go out to some Uncle Bob or uncle jed that
you're like, I really don't want to marry He's gonna
blah blah blah, always just this blah blah blah. We
didn't have to. We really only invited our closest friends
(24:23):
to our wedding, and you were one of our closest friends.
And I'm not I'm not friends with Cody or Mary
or Robin, and so I didn't have to. I only
want to invite who I wanted. So, like there is
a second Yeah, a second marriage.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Could be more selective.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, like you even said, like a second marriage is
a whole different program. And if you ever, we don't
need to leave the sentence you would want to just
go up in jeans on the top of the mountain,
you know, because and you can in a second marriage,
you can. And then same thing when you're just like
a monogamous marriage too, I think it's a lot more
simple as well. But you just get to invite who
you want to invite the closest friends. It was lovely,
(25:02):
It was really cool. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That would be very different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So, yeah, it was you don't have to think of
everybody's feelings along the way or their emotions along the way.
You're just going to celebrate how you would like to. I, well.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
There's no I like that. There's no obligatory thing because
especially when you get married the first time, there's all
this pressure to make sure you include everybody or they
get an invitation or we pour it over all the
guest lists. Right, So, yes, you need to ask me
about my single life and if I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Loving it, I know, right, no kidding, do you have
your life there? You said, it's like really kind of
like more simple and stuff, but it is.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
We're yeah, we're busy. I'm really busy, and I love
living with the grandkids right now, we're all living together
while we sort of start this endeavor, like we've cleared
the ground, those kinds of things. But you should see
it because Christine like it's the trees are like gone.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh really, yeah we again whenever the last time I
was there, we talking about what we were going to
do and like going and seeing it, but didn't look
any different. So it looks so.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So I live with the grandkids and it's it's really
fun to live with little kids again. I really had
missed that part of my life, right, But I get
to go and lay down in my room. I get
to go to my room at eight o'clock and read
my books, and I don't have to worry about all
the bedtime and all everything, you know what I mean.
So that's fun. But I love it because I really
I'm feeling my nervous system sort of ratchet down, because
(26:28):
like there's very little things I have to like be
holding my breath for or waiting for, or trying to
figure out dynamic wise, like because when we were all together,
there was always a lot of family things going on
that we always had to work through, right.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Always there was always yeah, no, it seems like there
was always someone that was frustrated about something. Always always,
like whether it be jealousy about something or what if
someone else was getting more or whatever, kid or whatever.
There was always more of a life. After I left
Cody and I lived like anyway before I met David,
(27:05):
I just remember thinking how simple my life was. And
I asked Michelsea, I'm like, is life simple? She's like, yes,
life is simple. I'm like, I don't think I had
a simple life before. She's like, no, no, you really
didn't know it is like it it's simple. I thought
that it was just what it was. I didn't know
I had a complicated life.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That funny, Like it's like, I mean, we're busy, right,
I am so busy, so busy, but there's not a
lot of emotional complication. It was very complex, I think
when we were living together, so it's nice now, or
when we were living as a family. So it's nice
now because I can really focus on my personal development.
I can do what I want, I can travel and
(27:47):
go what I and if I want to meet up,
I'm going in next week to Vegas to see the kids.
Like I can just do all of these things right,
and it's really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That is so fun. So next week you're going to
go see the kids in Vegas. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Get to decide how to decorate my house and I
get all by yourself, and I want to have to
have you come deck. I know, I so paralyzed. But
now I'm beginning to find I actually have opinions.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So you know what, of course, of course you have opinions.
So it's going to happen this year, Like what are
you guys going to do this year?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah? So this year, like so my resolution is to
just kind of like get rid of some of the
things that aren't serving me. But I have I have
old habits and old things that I'm like, Okay, I'm
just ready to like change that up, change my habits,
change all this and kind of just get rid of
some of those really noisy distractions in my life. I
(28:40):
don't know, Like, so my resolution means, I think my
resolution this year is is really to start figuring out
what I want to keep in my life and what
is just noise? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You know what I'm going to tell you have to
find your center, of course, you know that's what it is.
You have to find your center and like really make
sure your center is good and your centersle and you
just kind of blossom out from that. But it can
be simple. It can be so simple. So you're looking
at so fine, is what it sounds like?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I guess yeah in a way, in a way, yeah
for sure. What about you? Like, what have you decided
is your kind of your resolution for.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
This days of intention? I want days of intention. I
don't want to go to bed with going what did
I even do today? So I'm done with days of intention.
So I journal, like very religiously. So every day I
hit a balance of working out and journaling and then
cutting sugar. Sugar is not my friend. The older we
get sugar.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh I know, I'm right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it's very I can't touch it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But it's like I know, so that's that's what it is.
It's like it's like just days of intention. So I'm
intentionally taking better care of my body. I'm intentionally taking
better care of my mind, and intention to taking get
better care of my heart. Just intention good. I think that's.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Something like something like that for me, like really just
intentionally designing my life, like kicking things to the curb,
like sugar and those things like yeah, you know, like
things that just like having a life that I want,
designing a life I want.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
So it feels like it's this open canvas, right. Do
you ever go on the interest? I go on Picterest
all the time to recreate like my color I did,
and to recreate like the clothes I wore, the outfits
that I wear and stuff and I did. I did
a lot of recreations during the last couple of years.
I love that for you. A lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's gonna be fun, It's gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Be feah, it's gonna be all right, cool, Hey, good
to see you, good to catch up, to have a
good catch up, So Vegas next weekend. Huh yeah, my schedule.
I'm just telling you, I'm gonna look at my schedules.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That would be fun. We should. I guess we'll see
each other in a month or so.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But we will see each other. I know we've got
a cruise. David's excited to vacation with you again.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know we've traveled pretty well together. Do you know
when you guys do your thing, we do our thing,
and we like sort of meat up and have a meal,
or we see something and have fun together. So it's fun.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
All right, We'll see you at least in a month
or so. Bye, take care nothing fas
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