September 9, 2025 • 29 mins
So much of the focus surrounding the Epstein Birthday Book has been whether President Trump wrote and signed that crude, mysterious note. But there is SO MUCH more inside, essentially proof that many of his powerful friends not only knew about his preference for young girls, but joked about and celebrated it. Amy and T.J. went through the 200 plus pages and bring you the jaw dropping letters and pictures inside the book.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, September the ninth, and the
Epstein Birthday Book is out. And while so many people
were focused on the particular note in there that's allegedly
from President Trump, there is so much more telling and
eyebrow raising content in there. And with that, welcome to
(00:25):
this episode of Amy and TJ. Robe. You just said
it before we started recording, you said so much focus
was on that note. I think now people are starting
to now just realize just what else is in there,
and I guess it gives us really some insight into
this man's world.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, it also gives us some insight into how most
of at least the friends who were included in this
birthday book were very much aware of his penchant for
being with young women, his obsession with breasts. It was
actually jaw dropping just how cavalierly some of these lewd
(01:01):
stories and pictures were referenced.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
By a lot of powerful, wealthy folks.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, yes, everyone was focused on the President Trump letter,
but there is just incredible salacious.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Things in here.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And also I think it's interesting we were all waiting
for an Epstein client list, but this, in a lot
of ways just is a window into his world that
we haven't truly seen like we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, and it's coming from people in first person who
were in that world, who had no idea that anything
they were writing was ever going to become public. And
it's so interesting because you're right, wrote a theme emerges
from this thing. It's like a boy's club, like a
really privileged boys club that really is very dismissive of
(01:49):
people and things around as just everyone is there for
their taking.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It was all about boobs.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I actually, I said, I felt like some of this
was nine year old boys passing notes in grade school
about girls boobs. It was just even the women were
joining in. There were boob prints, like someone put paint
on a boob and instead of kissing a letter, they put.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Their boob on. I mean, it was just it was
bizarre to me in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And obviously there is so much about Jeffrey Epstein and
all the allegations that this shouldn't be that shocking, and
yet I think to see the other people around him
who were participating, not in anything illegal, not in anything
untoward or even immoral, but just the fact that they
were laughing it up, that's a little shocking.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know, we were talking to the lady, her name
is slipping my mind, Randy Kogan, who was a therapist
who has been working with Epstein victims for decades, and
she said, it's not a matter of a Epstein client list,
it's an Epstein enabler list. There's a list of enablers.
And when you read through this birthday book, and we're
(03:01):
going to go through some of these details and read
them word for word for you, when you read that,
that makes even more sense an enabler list. That these
folks aren't participating in anything illegal, but they are fully
aware of what's happening.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And that's what Randy was pointing to in terms of
the transparency that a lot of Epstein victims are asking for.
They're asking for there to be accountability for folks who
turned a blind eye to what they clearly saw was
going on. And so this is a little insight into
who may have had some of that access.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
All right, So let's get you first, just caught up.
You remember this became a big story. It was earlier
in the summer. Wall Street Journal publishes an article in
which they talk about the existence of this fiftieth birthday book.
That Gallaine Maxwell put together for Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the
part of their reporting was the fact that in that
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birthday book, it included a note from President Donald Trump,
who was then just Donald Trump, saying happy birthday, giving
birthday wishes. They reported at the time that note included
an outline essentially a crude drawing of a woman's naked body,
and included also a line at the bottom of what
(04:15):
was the line about secrets. Here's to many more secrets
or something. That's what they reported. So that note and
that birthday book were subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee
from the Epstein estate. They finally handed it over to
the committee. The committee Democrats in particular, couldn't wait correct
(04:35):
to get that note out, and I think it might
have been the first thing that went out they put
out on social media. So a lot of focus robes
was on that note, and we see it in the
full text, and we'll go through that as well. But
the rest of that book, I think people are going
to start to catch up here and this thing is
going to be of more and more interest than just
a few notes and a few names.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's fascinating because you know, you and I had seen
the headlines, and I really didn't think there was going
to be much more to it. And as you and
I I really started digging in and going through this
book page by page, we were both shocked and everything
we were reading there is a lot to unpack. There's
a lot to digest with this birthday book, more so
than I would have imagined.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
All right, And as Glaine maxwell that put it together.
So yes, this fiftieth birthday book, it does start with
a letter from her. Essentially, it opens up with Glaine
writing to writing to Jeffrey Epstein, was it how many
years ago? Is this twenty? What plus years ago? When
he turned fifty? But these are words she wrote to
him decades ago verse fiftieth Birthday says quote Jeffrey. The
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idea behind the book was simply to gather stories and
old photographs to jog your memory about places, people and
different events. I hope you will derive as much pleasure
looking through it as I did putting it together for you.
Happy Birthday Love. Glaine sets up innocent enough, right, But
the way they just that any other friend would talk
(05:55):
to anybody in our lives with a friend would talk
to you like that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It just you don't have a birthday book like this one.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't have anything close to this, But it's wild
to now go back and to see what their dynamic
and the friendship was, knowing all that we know now
to see how it goes now. And it opens with
I mean, she puts some work into it. It had
a copy of his birth certificate, even had like baby pictures,
It had his cub Scout certificate from when he was
(06:20):
a kid. So she put a lot of effort into this.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She had him with two other kids. It looks like
she said your first girlfriend or the first girlfriend. There
was a first date photo of him from nineteen ninety one,
and then she even included again this is probably where
the sweetness ends, but with a note from his mom,
who this is so interesting, Just this is again insight.
You know, what was his relationship like with his parents
(06:44):
given the monster he's now turned into or the one
we now know he was. But this was the note
from Jeffrey Epstein's mom at the beginning of his birthday book.
Driving to the hospital that cold, snowy day in January
to become parents of a beautiful, healthy son. Jeff you
have been a good son from day one, and we
have been proud of you ever since.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Don't doubt that. Isn't that something to read those words now,
it's wild to read that now. So now things from
that point on and again, it's about two hundred pages
they released from this book to go through, but there
are several notes. It's divided up into sections. Actually, Rose,
(07:27):
let me find the sections here. Again, it's a friend's family,
there's a girlfriend's section, then there's a girl dash friends section,
there's a special assistance, there's a business Brooklyn science. So
it's just kind of categorized to who all these people
were in his life. So it is a divide up
in that way. Now they get going a friend. I'm
(07:50):
not sure exactly who this one was in particular, but
a friend writes a section a note and the title
of this friend's section essentially recalling some of their happy
fun times they're partying times. But the section is called
girls on My Boat. Here is one line quote, we
picked up girls on beach. We went out on boat.
(08:12):
I tell them with knife in my hand to take
suits off. But Warren tells, don't worry, he's just joking.
He continues, quote I was porking some girl in bed,
and Jeff brings in the maid to make the bed.
She left screaming and never came back. Now I'm serious,
(08:36):
bunch of college knuckleheads have all kinds of stories. Again,
we're now having to read these things in context of
what we now know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And there were some several other ones that were not
seemingly innocent college memories. This one also from friends, and
there were names. When it came to any woman who
was named, they redacted the name obviously because they had
to assume they could be potential victims of sexual violence
or abuse. So name and name two very young girls,
(09:09):
probably just seventeen, And we're writing in my father's Caddie
Park Avenue, top down, smooching it up in car, drop
dead laughing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So wow, what that tells us? I mean, whoever's writing
this adults are already pointing out the fact that they
are with very young girls, underage, man, that they are
underage and putting this in this book for a.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Fifty year old man.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, recalling these as fond at times, and this is
a theme throughout and talking about as if it's like.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Nothing, it's fodder.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's actually it's haha, laugh, laugh, joke, joke, screaming underage.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's one with a redacted name, the rabbi's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So you know, it's just there's just it's constant machiesimo
like bragging about conquests.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
This know again about the same section about rabbi's daughter,
is what that one was called? Again, it said it
had a redacted name, so it Blank, the rabbi's daughter.
So we can only assume, all right about the age.
But it's said in that section, and I'm quoting, Jeff
would call the house rabbi's voice and say, this is
(10:25):
Blank's father. I would bring her up to your mother's
house and make her take her top off so we
could touch her boobs end quote.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
These are birthday notes and memories, fond memories that are
all compiled together in a fun, loving birthday book.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
This is wild to actually think that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
These are all the memories and they, like you said,
they have a theme throughout.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This isn't this isn't just a one off for a while.
Look at this extreme note. They all are very similar.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Now as far as big names go, Robes, I pulled
this one up for you and we enlarged it on
the screen here because we couldn't make it out. But
there is a note allegedly in there, purportedly from Bill Clinton,
and you see his signature there, but it's just a
few lines handwritten. But it starts by saying happy fiftieth.
And I was trying to get you to translate. I
couldn't really make out exactly what he was saying, but
(11:24):
there's a couple at least one line we could read,
and a lot of people are picking up on.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well. We also determined that Bill Clinton must be a
lefty because of the way he wrote it. You know,
it's like slanted that weird way, and so it's hard
to read what he actually wrote. But he basically says
it's reassuring, isn't it, And then something about praising or
referring to Epstein's childlike curiosity.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, and again we tried, and we could try to
get what it really is almost impossible to make out
some of his handwriting, and we couldn't, But there is
a note in there from Bill Clinton. Didn't say a
whole lot, but at least you'll see quoted a lot
of places. At least he referred to Epstein's childlike curiosity.
That a lot of people are picking up on. Yeah,
(12:12):
Alan Dershwitz, that's another name. Yes, and again I was
asking earlier, where do we first.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, he's been accused by some of the victims, and
he is vehemently denied ever being a part of anything
untoward or illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But he certainly has.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He was Epstein's lawyer and had been close to him,
and so yes, he leaves a note in the birthday
book that says, as a birthday gift to you, I
managed to obtain an early version of the vanity Unfair article.
I talked them into changing the focus from you to
Bill Clinton. As you will see from the enclosed excerpt,
Happy birthday and best regards, Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, and like you said, his name has been out there.
And again you were right. He first at least a
lot of people got familiar with him from.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The oj correct trial.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, he was one of the famed lawyers, Harvard Law professor, famed.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This is a yeah, this is a constitutional expert, deemed
probably one of the considered one of the best lawyers
in the country. Yes, and his name has been affiliated
and attached for so long. Another note in here from
a friend.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's a former Microsoft this one. I thought this was
the former Microsoft CEO.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Was it Okay? I don't have the name attached, and
I don't want to assign it if it ain't true.
But there is a note in there from someone who
first kind of starts off about kind of joking about
Glaine reaching out and saying, Hey, I want you to
put together note for Jeffrey. And so they're making a
joke about how difficult it was to come up with something,
(13:47):
and they say, quote, I have agonized long and hard
about what to write for your birthday. In the end,
I have wound up with this silly excuse for a
missive neither profound nor funny. But I've included a few
photos that I took on my recent trip to Africa.
They seemed more appropriate than anything I could put in words.
(14:10):
And then the pictures that seemed more appropriate than anything
this person could put in words. It was a picture
of Zebras having sex and urinating while it's going on.
Is the picture that was included that was more appropriate
(14:31):
than any words this person could put together. And this
person Rose was.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
A billionaire and former Microsoft executive Nathan. I'm not going
to say his last name, right Meyrvold. But interestingly, interestingly enough,
now that this book has come out, he's been asked
or they have been asked about these pictures, and as
a spokeswoman for him previously said he didn't recall the submission,
(14:55):
which is what we're hearing from a lot of these
big names who have been included in this birthday book.
They're not denying it, but they just say they don't
recall sending in anything for Epstein's birthday. But they also
added that he is a wildlife photographer who regularly shares
photos of and writes.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
About animal behavior. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I was going to say a stretch. Somebody wrote that
down and.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Sent it out a spokeswoman for him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Wait say it again for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm reading a quote. This is in the Wall Street Journal,
just giving that source right there.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But it says that he is a wildlife photographer who
quote regularly shares photos of and writes about animal behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Quote and in the note, I've included a few photos
that I took on my recent trip. They seem more
appropriate than anything I could put in words. There are
two zebras having sex and.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's some I don't know what that says, but I
don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But he's a wildlife photographer.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yes, that's how he expresses himself through photos.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Captured this image. Yes, we should commission a photo for
after his next trip.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I just thought that the response to that entry was hilarious,
so I wanted to include.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know what we needed that we needed a moment
of levity, levity, that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Was necessary, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, that's sorry, Just deny, just say don't remember that.
Don't add the other part, like this is a reason.
You know what this might have been why he sent it.
The dude loves taking wildlife photos.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, that makes it even funnier. I'm actually really happy
that the spokesperson included.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That zebra sex is one of his niche areas.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
He knows just where to find it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Cool, Okay, that note you were telling me about it earlier.
Now it's even funnier. Folks, Sometimes it's stuff you need
to laugh. But I assure you, when we described the
illustration that is in this book, it's nowhere close to
a laughing matter. It is beyond shocking, and it accurately
(17:13):
predicts and shows us exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was up
to all.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
These years, continuing now with the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Damn I don't you know. We're gonna keep it. I'm
gonna keep it because I always give roboc a hard
time when she comes back from the break and something's weird.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Your voice sounded like it was in stereo.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Excuse me for that. Won't happen again. All right, We're
gonna keep it. We're gonna keep it, all right. But
we are continuing now, folks, we are this book, this
birthday book we've been hearing about for all summer. Well,
it's out now as a part of a subpoena the
Houseoverzie Committee to the Epstein State, this book is out.
(18:21):
A lot of people were focusing on, of course, robes
the birthday note that Donald Trump wrote allegedly. He says
he didn't. We need to continue to say that. He
says he did not. He didn't say I don't remember.
He said, I did not write it. I don't write
like that, and I certainly would be drawing a crude.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
He also says that's not his signature. He claims that
he had nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
With Have you seen the comparisons they had.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yes, it's pretty spot on.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I've even seen handwriting expert in several publications absolutely authenticate
that that, in fact is Donald Trump's signature.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But Donald Trump says it is not his signation.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, So this is where we are. So we've been
going through some of the notes other things in there.
I know a lot of people looking for big names,
but it's not just names. This really does give you
some insight into this world. Hilarious. Still about the zebra
and the pictures, and that's no doubt hilarious, Okay, but
someone there is a drawing in there. I know the sketch,
(19:20):
you know, the one I'm talking about. You might have
been pointed out to me first, but there's a sketch
robes and this is.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
As disturbing dicky as it gets. It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So it's an illustration of it, says nineteen eighty three
underneath it, and it shows Jeffrey Epstein handing out balloons
to little girls, yes, like elementary school girls, and.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Then side by side on the other side.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Of it, it shows him in two thousand and three
in a beach chair getting massages from four blondes.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
They're all in g string.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Bathing suits or bikinis, and I think one has a
tattoo of him, Yes, his initials, but yes one of
them is working on his feet too, or working on
his chest and shoulders, and one is working on his
genital area.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So it's just really, it's just icky.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's almost like you're showing him grooming little girls so
that then he can get his sexual pleasures.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Sweetheart, it's not you said, it's almost like it is.
I cannot believe that is there.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And that one of his friends drew the picture thinking
it was funny and a way to celebrate him.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And knew exactly what was going on. This is as
disturbing as it gets. It is telling the story of
Jeffrey Epstein that in nineteen eighty three, here you are
doing this with these girls, with these girls, giving them
a treat, and then they end up with you twenty
years later, massaging your body. That one. It's like a
(20:59):
just a that's the enable people are talking about. Everybody knew.
It wasn't even a secret, not.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And then you know, everyone was talking about the Trump letter.
But what about this bizarre entry where there's a picture
of Epstein accepting, you know, one of those big oversized
checks as if you won something on a game show
or the lottery, and it says twenty two.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was signed to Jeffrey Epstein and signed Donald Trump
d J Trump DJ Trump and then underneath it the
caption said Jeffrey showing early talents with money and women
sells fully depreciated woman. And they actually had the woman's name,
it was just redacted cells fully depreciated woman to Donald
(21:46):
Trump for twenty two thousand and five hundred showed early
people skills too. Even though I handled the deal, I
didn't get any of the money or the girl.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
What the actual fuck? I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That wow, And there was a woman in the picture,
but her face was blacked out as well as so
I don't know if the redacted name was that woman
who was shown there as the prize.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And Trump was not in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Trump was not in the picture, but still a part
of this bizarre check and this ha ha ha ha
literally talking about selling a woman. It was a depreciated woman.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They were human commodities to be exchanged almost.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, they passed for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, and talking about them as if they.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Were objects to please them.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Were commodities to be traded. They went up and down in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Value to be groomed and then to be abused, and
then to be traded and then to be tossed away.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's fascinating just the language.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And this is his birthday book.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Is an illustration of his abuse and the fact that
people were aware of it, and not just that they
were aware of that, that they joked about it, and
that they celebrated it, and it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Came with little role illustrations of his abuse. This is
it is absolutely fascinat. Dropping another note from a friend
here saying, dear Jeffrey, I wanted to get you what
you want, so here it is, and just had drawing
of breasts.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Again a nine year old boy. Yes, that is what
nine year old boys would do. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, this next one here you see this one ropes
from a coworker. This is a disturbing note as well.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Jeffrey.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I remember in the mid nineteen seventies you being a
star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged option program.
I was running an account for Bob Maxwell. You always
had the ability to know everyone and be charming. Was
that when you first discovered the Maxwell teenage daughter, Happy birthday,
(23:53):
Elliott wol What I mean unabashedly discover seducing underaged girls?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yea, we have the I mean the text of the
Trump note. I don't even know if that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's not even anything compared.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's out there, and that's fine, but it is. I
think more people are going to start to read. And
this does read so differently. You know what it reads differently?
It reads differently from the transcript of Gleame Maxwell's interview
with the Justice Department. Yes, it does, right. It reads
without these folks even trying to get into anything salacious
and have to be interviewed. It reads so much differently.
(24:38):
But Robes one last thing I wanted to leave folks with,
and I have it up here and it's a longer entry,
but it is from a young lady who is writing
and saying she loves him and that he did so
much for in her life. But Robes, I was amazed
at how all the massage things we hear about, and
how girls are being groomed and they get ended up
(24:58):
on planes and whatnot. Again, this gives us insight into
what that world was and how so many of these
young women girls got caught up in it. So this
is we're just going to start. It's a little longer,
but I thought this was interesting Ropes.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
She writes.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I received a call from Glaine, who I had worked
on massaged twice in the last few months, to work
on her employer. He is a businessman and wants you
to work on his feet at his desk, she said.
My first thought was corns and bunions and a curumudgeon
of a man when I first set eyes on you
on March twenty second, nineteen ninety three. You were sitting
(25:38):
behind an enormous desk in your office at home on
sixty ninth Street, in a jean shirt and sweatpants, and
your feet were possibly the most beautiful that I had
ever seen belonging to a man. I remember thinking that
you look more You looked like a more handsome Ralph Lauren.
We moved over to a sitting area and I sat
on a footstool and worked on your feet while you
(25:59):
were in an armchair watched me and Glaine work on
your shoulders. After a few minutes, you gave me that
squinched eye look, a mix of calculation and enjoyment, both
devouring and yet submissive.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, gonna stop you there for a second. What are
you hearing? I hear so much about massages, and I
hear so much about Glaine and who was massaging whom
and what was going on to hear this young lady.
She's setting up a story and she has a positive experience,
but randomly show up massage a man's feet while he's
(26:34):
sitting at a desk. And here he is getting massage
from his ex girlfriend. I guess Glaine Maxwell and someone
who's been brought into the fold by Glaime Maxwell. She said,
I received, they'll she's there. You're gonna work on his
feet while he's at his desk. Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And then, as most of the victims survivors will tell you,
that would escalate each time you go a little orther
up the leg, go up the thigh.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What ended to your point, Can you pick it up
where you left?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That is so you and moaned a bit, and I thought, okay,
this is going well. Within ten minutes of my being there,
you asked me to have to leave.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Oh sorry, to leave with you guys that night to
go to Florida.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I had never heard of anything so spontaneous and far fetched.
And yet I know that you were serious, or I
knew that you were serious. I had a previous engagement.
I was throwing a dinner party, and so you said
you would see me when you got back and have
your security call and schedule.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You did, and my life was forever changed.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Wow, ten minutes, hop on my private playing with me
and go to Florida. Ten minutes. I mean, he how
is that not the most exciting thing in life? He's
offering and showing, and I don't know who this young
lady is and what ultimately happened. But she goes on
to write this glowing note and says I love you
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and signs off. When I'm with you, I laugh like
a little girl and feel like a woman. And then
she signs off I love you with.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Oh my goodness, a heart and then a picture of
her butt.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but she spoke so fondly of him. Don't know
what ultimately happened with her or to her, but she
spoke so fondly of a guy who, for all intents
and purposes, she was a target of his.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
That was Yes, she was being groomed, and she's.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Speaking so highly and favorably and loving about him.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, I mean everyone had different experiences and everyone felt
like they had different levels of choice perhaps in the matter.
And hopefully she was old enough to know the difference.
So many of his victims were not.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is it's fascinating and look, we've learned a lot es.
I think this book gave me more insight than I
have to a lot of this story for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I mean this was way more eye opening and insightful
than anything I've seen before. And we've kind of rolled
our eyes and you kind of glaze over, oh more
Epstein files because they haven't really shown anything.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This actually was substantive and educational.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
All right, Well, folks, we appreciate you as always listening
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for now, for Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk
to y'all soon.
Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, September the ninth, and the
Epstein Birthday Book is out. And while so many people
were focused on the particular note in there that's allegedly
from President Trump, there is so much more telling and
eyebrow raising content in there. And with that, welcome to
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this episode of Amy and TJ. Robe. You just said
it before we started recording, you said so much focus
was on that note. I think now people are starting
to now just realize just what else is in there,
and I guess it gives us really some insight into
this man's world.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, it also gives us some insight into how most
of at least the friends who were included in this
birthday book were very much aware of his penchant for
being with young women, his obsession with breasts. It was
actually jaw dropping just how cavalierly some of these lewd
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stories and pictures were referenced.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
By a lot of powerful, wealthy folks.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, yes, everyone was focused on the President Trump letter,
but there is just incredible salacious.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Things in here.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And also I think it's interesting we were all waiting
for an Epstein client list, but this, in a lot
of ways just is a window into his world that
we haven't truly seen like we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, and it's coming from people in first person who
were in that world, who had no idea that anything
they were writing was ever going to become public. And
it's so interesting because you're right, wrote a theme emerges
from this thing. It's like a boy's club, like a
really privileged boys club that really is very dismissive of
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people and things around as just everyone is there for
their taking.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It was all about boobs.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I actually, I said, I felt like some of this
was nine year old boys passing notes in grade school
about girls boobs. It was just even the women were
joining in. There were boob prints, like someone put paint
on a boob and instead of kissing a letter, they put.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Their boob on. I mean, it was just it was
bizarre to me in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And obviously there is so much about Jeffrey Epstein and
all the allegations that this shouldn't be that shocking, and
yet I think to see the other people around him
who were participating, not in anything illegal, not in anything
untoward or even immoral, but just the fact that they
were laughing it up, that's a little shocking.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know, we were talking to the lady, her name
is slipping my mind, Randy Kogan, who was a therapist
who has been working with Epstein victims for decades, and
she said, it's not a matter of a Epstein client list,
it's an Epstein enabler list. There's a list of enablers.
And when you read through this birthday book, and we're
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going to go through some of these details and read
them word for word for you, when you read that,
that makes even more sense an enabler list. That these
folks aren't participating in anything illegal, but they are fully
aware of what's happening.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And that's what Randy was pointing to in terms of
the transparency that a lot of Epstein victims are asking for.
They're asking for there to be accountability for folks who
turned a blind eye to what they clearly saw was
going on. And so this is a little insight into
who may have had some of that access.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
All right, So let's get you first, just caught up.
You remember this became a big story. It was earlier
in the summer. Wall Street Journal publishes an article in
which they talk about the existence of this fiftieth birthday book.
That Gallaine Maxwell put together for Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the
part of their reporting was the fact that in that
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birthday book, it included a note from President Donald Trump,
who was then just Donald Trump, saying happy birthday, giving
birthday wishes. They reported at the time that note included
an outline essentially a crude drawing of a woman's naked body,
and included also a line at the bottom of what
(04:15):
was the line about secrets. Here's to many more secrets
or something. That's what they reported. So that note and
that birthday book were subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee
from the Epstein estate. They finally handed it over to
the committee. The committee Democrats in particular, couldn't wait correct
(04:35):
to get that note out, and I think it might
have been the first thing that went out they put
out on social media. So a lot of focus robes
was on that note, and we see it in the
full text, and we'll go through that as well. But
the rest of that book, I think people are going
to start to catch up here and this thing is
going to be of more and more interest than just
a few notes and a few names.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's fascinating because you know, you and I had seen
the headlines, and I really didn't think there was going
to be much more to it. And as you and
I I really started digging in and going through this
book page by page, we were both shocked and everything
we were reading there is a lot to unpack. There's
a lot to digest with this birthday book, more so
than I would have imagined.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
All right, And as Glaine maxwell that put it together.
So yes, this fiftieth birthday book, it does start with
a letter from her. Essentially, it opens up with Glaine
writing to writing to Jeffrey Epstein, was it how many
years ago? Is this twenty? What plus years ago? When
he turned fifty? But these are words she wrote to
him decades ago verse fiftieth Birthday says quote Jeffrey. The
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idea behind the book was simply to gather stories and
old photographs to jog your memory about places, people and
different events. I hope you will derive as much pleasure
looking through it as I did putting it together for you.
Happy Birthday Love. Glaine sets up innocent enough, right, But
the way they just that any other friend would talk
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to anybody in our lives with a friend would talk
to you like that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It just you don't have a birthday book like this one.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't have anything close to this, But it's wild
to now go back and to see what their dynamic
and the friendship was, knowing all that we know now
to see how it goes now. And it opens with
I mean, she puts some work into it. It had
a copy of his birth certificate, even had like baby pictures,
It had his cub Scout certificate from when he was
(06:20):
a kid. So she put a lot of effort into this.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She had him with two other kids. It looks like
she said your first girlfriend or the first girlfriend. There
was a first date photo of him from nineteen ninety one,
and then she even included again this is probably where
the sweetness ends, but with a note from his mom,
who this is so interesting, Just this is again insight.
You know, what was his relationship like with his parents
(06:44):
given the monster he's now turned into or the one
we now know he was. But this was the note
from Jeffrey Epstein's mom at the beginning of his birthday book.
Driving to the hospital that cold, snowy day in January
to become parents of a beautiful, healthy son. Jeff you
have been a good son from day one, and we
have been proud of you ever since.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Don't doubt that. Isn't that something to read those words now,
it's wild to read that now. So now things from
that point on and again, it's about two hundred pages
they released from this book to go through, but there
are several notes. It's divided up into sections. Actually, Rose,
(07:27):
let me find the sections here. Again, it's a friend's family,
there's a girlfriend's section, then there's a girl dash friends section,
there's a special assistance, there's a business Brooklyn science. So
it's just kind of categorized to who all these people
were in his life. So it is a divide up
in that way. Now they get going a friend. I'm
(07:50):
not sure exactly who this one was in particular, but
a friend writes a section a note and the title
of this friend's section essentially recalling some of their happy
fun times they're partying times. But the section is called
girls on My Boat. Here is one line quote, we
picked up girls on beach. We went out on boat.
(08:12):
I tell them with knife in my hand to take
suits off. But Warren tells, don't worry, he's just joking.
He continues, quote I was porking some girl in bed,
and Jeff brings in the maid to make the bed.
She left screaming and never came back. Now I'm serious,
(08:36):
bunch of college knuckleheads have all kinds of stories. Again,
we're now having to read these things in context of
what we now know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And there were some several other ones that were not
seemingly innocent college memories. This one also from friends, and
there were names. When it came to any woman who
was named, they redacted the name obviously because they had
to assume they could be potential victims of sexual violence
or abuse. So name and name two very young girls,
(09:09):
probably just seventeen, And we're writing in my father's Caddie
Park Avenue, top down, smooching it up in car, drop
dead laughing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So wow, what that tells us? I mean, whoever's writing
this adults are already pointing out the fact that they
are with very young girls, underage, man, that they are
underage and putting this in this book for a.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Fifty year old man.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, recalling these as fond at times, and this is
a theme throughout and talking about as if it's like.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Nothing, it's fodder.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's actually it's haha, laugh, laugh, joke, joke, screaming underage.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's one with a redacted name, the rabbi's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So you know, it's just there's just it's constant machiesimo
like bragging about conquests.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
This know again about the same section about rabbi's daughter,
is what that one was called? Again, it said it
had a redacted name, so it Blank, the rabbi's daughter.
So we can only assume, all right about the age.
But it's said in that section, and I'm quoting, Jeff
would call the house rabbi's voice and say, this is
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Blank's father. I would bring her up to your mother's
house and make her take her top off so we
could touch her boobs end quote.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
These are birthday notes and memories, fond memories that are
all compiled together in a fun, loving birthday book.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
This is wild to actually think that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
These are all the memories and they, like you said,
they have a theme throughout.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This isn't this isn't just a one off for a while.
Look at this extreme note. They all are very similar.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Now as far as big names go, Robes, I pulled
this one up for you and we enlarged it on
the screen here because we couldn't make it out. But
there is a note allegedly in there, purportedly from Bill Clinton,
and you see his signature there, but it's just a
few lines handwritten. But it starts by saying happy fiftieth.
And I was trying to get you to translate. I
couldn't really make out exactly what he was saying, but
(11:24):
there's a couple at least one line we could read,
and a lot of people are picking up on.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well. We also determined that Bill Clinton must be a
lefty because of the way he wrote it. You know,
it's like slanted that weird way, and so it's hard
to read what he actually wrote. But he basically says
it's reassuring, isn't it, And then something about praising or
referring to Epstein's childlike curiosity.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, and again we tried, and we could try to
get what it really is almost impossible to make out
some of his handwriting, and we couldn't, But there is
a note in there from Bill Clinton. Didn't say a
whole lot, but at least you'll see quoted a lot
of places. At least he referred to Epstein's childlike curiosity.
That a lot of people are picking up on. Yeah,
(12:12):
Alan Dershwitz, that's another name. Yes, and again I was
asking earlier, where do we first.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, he's been accused by some of the victims, and
he is vehemently denied ever being a part of anything
untoward or illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But he certainly has.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He was Epstein's lawyer and had been close to him,
and so yes, he leaves a note in the birthday
book that says, as a birthday gift to you, I
managed to obtain an early version of the vanity Unfair article.
I talked them into changing the focus from you to
Bill Clinton. As you will see from the enclosed excerpt,
Happy birthday and best regards, Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, and like you said, his name has been out there.
And again you were right. He first at least a
lot of people got familiar with him from.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The oj correct trial.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, he was one of the famed lawyers, Harvard Law professor, famed.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
This is a yeah, this is a constitutional expert, deemed
probably one of the considered one of the best lawyers
in the country. Yes, and his name has been affiliated
and attached for so long. Another note in here from
a friend.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's a former Microsoft this one. I thought this was
the former Microsoft CEO.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Was it Okay? I don't have the name attached, and
I don't want to assign it if it ain't true.
But there is a note in there from someone who
first kind of starts off about kind of joking about
Glaine reaching out and saying, Hey, I want you to
put together note for Jeffrey. And so they're making a
joke about how difficult it was to come up with something,
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and they say, quote, I have agonized long and hard
about what to write for your birthday. In the end,
I have wound up with this silly excuse for a
missive neither profound nor funny. But I've included a few
photos that I took on my recent trip to Africa.
They seemed more appropriate than anything I could put in words.
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And then the pictures that seemed more appropriate than anything
this person could put in words. It was a picture
of Zebras having sex and urinating while it's going on.
Is the picture that was included that was more appropriate
(14:31):
than any words this person could put together. And this
person Rose was.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
A billionaire and former Microsoft executive Nathan. I'm not going
to say his last name, right Meyrvold. But interestingly, interestingly enough,
now that this book has come out, he's been asked
or they have been asked about these pictures, and as
a spokeswoman for him previously said he didn't recall the submission,
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which is what we're hearing from a lot of these
big names who have been included in this birthday book.
They're not denying it, but they just say they don't
recall sending in anything for Epstein's birthday. But they also
added that he is a wildlife photographer who regularly shares
photos of and writes.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
About animal behavior. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I was going to say a stretch. Somebody wrote that
down and.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Sent it out a spokeswoman for him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Wait say it again for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm reading a quote. This is in the Wall Street Journal,
just giving that source right there.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But it says that he is a wildlife photographer who
quote regularly shares photos of and writes about animal behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Quote and in the note, I've included a few photos
that I took on my recent trip. They seem more
appropriate than anything I could put in words. There are
two zebras having sex and.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's some I don't know what that says, but I
don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But he's a wildlife photographer.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yes, that's how he expresses himself through photos.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Captured this image. Yes, we should commission a photo for
after his next trip.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I just thought that the response to that entry was hilarious,
so I wanted to include.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know what we needed that we needed a moment
of levity, levity, that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Was necessary, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, that's sorry, Just deny, just say don't remember that.
Don't add the other part, like this is a reason.
You know what this might have been why he sent it.
The dude loves taking wildlife photos.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, that makes it even funnier. I'm actually really happy
that the spokesperson included.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That zebra sex is one of his niche areas.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
He knows just where to find it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Cool, Okay, that note you were telling me about it earlier.
Now it's even funnier. Folks, Sometimes it's stuff you need
to laugh. But I assure you, when we described the
illustration that is in this book, it's nowhere close to
a laughing matter. It is beyond shocking, and it accurately
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predicts and shows us exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was up
to all.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
These years, continuing now with the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Damn I don't you know. We're gonna keep it. I'm
gonna keep it because I always give roboc a hard
time when she comes back from the break and something's weird.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Your voice sounded like it was in stereo.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Excuse me for that. Won't happen again. All right, We're
gonna keep it. We're gonna keep it, all right. But
we are continuing now, folks, we are this book, this
birthday book we've been hearing about for all summer. Well,
it's out now as a part of a subpoena the
Houseoverzie Committee to the Epstein State, this book is out.
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A lot of people were focusing on, of course, robes
the birthday note that Donald Trump wrote allegedly. He says
he didn't. We need to continue to say that. He
says he did not. He didn't say I don't remember.
He said, I did not write it. I don't write
like that, and I certainly would be drawing a crude.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
He also says that's not his signature. He claims that
he had nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
With Have you seen the comparisons they had.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yes, it's pretty spot on.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I've even seen handwriting expert in several publications absolutely authenticate
that that, in fact is Donald Trump's signature.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But Donald Trump says it is not his signation.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, So this is where we are. So we've been
going through some of the notes other things in there.
I know a lot of people looking for big names,
but it's not just names. This really does give you
some insight into this world. Hilarious. Still about the zebra
and the pictures, and that's no doubt hilarious, Okay, but
someone there is a drawing in there. I know the sketch,
(19:20):
you know, the one I'm talking about. You might have
been pointed out to me first, but there's a sketch
robes and this is.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
As disturbing dicky as it gets. It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So it's an illustration of it, says nineteen eighty three
underneath it, and it shows Jeffrey Epstein handing out balloons
to little girls, yes, like elementary school girls, and.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Then side by side on the other side.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Of it, it shows him in two thousand and three
in a beach chair getting massages from four blondes.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
They're all in g string.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Bathing suits or bikinis, and I think one has a
tattoo of him, Yes, his initials, but yes one of
them is working on his feet too, or working on
his chest and shoulders, and one is working on his
genital area.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So it's just really, it's just icky.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's almost like you're showing him grooming little girls so
that then he can get his sexual pleasures.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Sweetheart, it's not you said, it's almost like it is.
I cannot believe that is there.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And that one of his friends drew the picture thinking
it was funny and a way to celebrate him.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And knew exactly what was going on. This is as
disturbing as it gets. It is telling the story of
Jeffrey Epstein that in nineteen eighty three, here you are
doing this with these girls, with these girls, giving them
a treat, and then they end up with you twenty
years later, massaging your body. That one. It's like a
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just a that's the enable people are talking about. Everybody knew.
It wasn't even a secret, not.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And then you know, everyone was talking about the Trump letter.
But what about this bizarre entry where there's a picture
of Epstein accepting, you know, one of those big oversized
checks as if you won something on a game show
or the lottery, and it says twenty two.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was signed to Jeffrey Epstein and signed Donald Trump
d J Trump DJ Trump and then underneath it the
caption said Jeffrey showing early talents with money and women
sells fully depreciated woman. And they actually had the woman's name,
it was just redacted cells fully depreciated woman to Donald
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Trump for twenty two thousand and five hundred showed early
people skills too. Even though I handled the deal, I
didn't get any of the money or the girl.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
What the actual fuck? I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That wow, And there was a woman in the picture,
but her face was blacked out as well as so
I don't know if the redacted name was that woman
who was shown there as the prize.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And Trump was not in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Trump was not in the picture, but still a part
of this bizarre check and this ha ha ha ha
literally talking about selling a woman. It was a depreciated woman.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They were human commodities to be exchanged almost.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, they passed for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, and talking about them as if they.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Were objects to please them.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Were commodities to be traded. They went up and down in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Value to be groomed and then to be abused, and
then to be traded and then to be tossed away.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's fascinating just the language.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And this is his birthday book.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Is an illustration of his abuse and the fact that
people were aware of it, and not just that they
were aware of that, that they joked about it, and
that they celebrated it, and it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Came with little role illustrations of his abuse. This is
it is absolutely fascinat. Dropping another note from a friend
here saying, dear Jeffrey, I wanted to get you what
you want, so here it is, and just had drawing
of breasts.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Again a nine year old boy. Yes, that is what
nine year old boys would do. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, this next one here you see this one ropes
from a coworker. This is a disturbing note as well.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Jeffrey.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I remember in the mid nineteen seventies you being a
star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged option program.
I was running an account for Bob Maxwell. You always
had the ability to know everyone and be charming. Was
that when you first discovered the Maxwell teenage daughter, Happy birthday,
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Elliott wol What I mean unabashedly discover seducing underaged girls?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yea, we have the I mean the text of the
Trump note. I don't even know if that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's not even anything compared.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's out there, and that's fine, but it is. I
think more people are going to start to read. And
this does read so differently. You know what it reads differently?
It reads differently from the transcript of Gleame Maxwell's interview
with the Justice Department. Yes, it does, right. It reads
without these folks even trying to get into anything salacious
and have to be interviewed. It reads so much differently.
(24:38):
But Robes one last thing I wanted to leave folks with,
and I have it up here and it's a longer entry,
but it is from a young lady who is writing
and saying she loves him and that he did so
much for in her life. But Robes, I was amazed
at how all the massage things we hear about, and
how girls are being groomed and they get ended up
(24:58):
on planes and whatnot. Again, this gives us insight into
what that world was and how so many of these
young women girls got caught up in it. So this
is we're just going to start. It's a little longer,
but I thought this was interesting Ropes.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
She writes.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I received a call from Glaine, who I had worked
on massaged twice in the last few months, to work
on her employer. He is a businessman and wants you
to work on his feet at his desk, she said.
My first thought was corns and bunions and a curumudgeon
of a man when I first set eyes on you
on March twenty second, nineteen ninety three. You were sitting
(25:38):
behind an enormous desk in your office at home on
sixty ninth Street, in a jean shirt and sweatpants, and
your feet were possibly the most beautiful that I had
ever seen belonging to a man. I remember thinking that
you look more You looked like a more handsome Ralph Lauren.
We moved over to a sitting area and I sat
on a footstool and worked on your feet while you
(25:59):
were in an armchair watched me and Glaine work on
your shoulders. After a few minutes, you gave me that
squinched eye look, a mix of calculation and enjoyment, both
devouring and yet submissive.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, gonna stop you there for a second. What are
you hearing? I hear so much about massages, and I
hear so much about Glaine and who was massaging whom
and what was going on to hear this young lady.
She's setting up a story and she has a positive experience,
but randomly show up massage a man's feet while he's
(26:34):
sitting at a desk. And here he is getting massage
from his ex girlfriend. I guess Glaine Maxwell and someone
who's been brought into the fold by Glaime Maxwell. She said,
I received, they'll she's there. You're gonna work on his
feet while he's at his desk. Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And then, as most of the victims survivors will tell you,
that would escalate each time you go a little orther
up the leg, go up the thigh.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What ended to your point, Can you pick it up
where you left?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That is so you and moaned a bit, and I thought, okay,
this is going well. Within ten minutes of my being there,
you asked me to have to leave.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Oh sorry, to leave with you guys that night to
go to Florida.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I had never heard of anything so spontaneous and far fetched.
And yet I know that you were serious, or I
knew that you were serious. I had a previous engagement.
I was throwing a dinner party, and so you said
you would see me when you got back and have
your security call and schedule.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You did, and my life was forever changed.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Wow, ten minutes, hop on my private playing with me
and go to Florida. Ten minutes. I mean, he how
is that not the most exciting thing in life? He's
offering and showing, and I don't know who this young
lady is and what ultimately happened. But she goes on
to write this glowing note and says I love you
(28:01):
and signs off. When I'm with you, I laugh like
a little girl and feel like a woman. And then
she signs off I love you with.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Oh my goodness, a heart and then a picture of
her butt.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but she spoke so fondly of him. Don't know
what ultimately happened with her or to her, but she
spoke so fondly of a guy who, for all intents
and purposes, she was a target of his.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
That was Yes, she was being groomed, and she's.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Speaking so highly and favorably and loving about him.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, I mean everyone had different experiences and everyone felt
like they had different levels of choice perhaps in the matter.
And hopefully she was old enough to know the difference.
So many of his victims were not.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is it's fascinating and look, we've learned a lot es.
I think this book gave me more insight than I
have to a lot of this story for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I mean this was way more eye opening and insightful
than anything I've seen before. And we've kind of rolled
our eyes and you kind of glaze over, oh more
Epstein files because they haven't really shown anything.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This actually was substantive and educational.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
All right, Well, folks, we appreciate you as always listening
with thoughts. Of course, top or right corner of the screen.
The Apple podcast app on our show page, just a
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for now, for Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk
to y'all soon.
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