October 29, 2025 • 46 mins
Guest host Elisa Donovan reunites with her Sabrina the Teenage Witch co-star Melissa Joan Hart and nothing’s off limits. From ‘90s fame and internet pressure to growing up in the spotlight, the two spill all the behind-the-scenes stories and real-life lessons from their Hollywood journeys.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey guys, Alisa Donovan here. I don't know if you
know who I am, but maybe you do. You might
know me from Clueless or another little show called Sabrina
the Teenage Witch. But if you're listening to this podcast,
you probably know me as ginger Lo Monica from Beverly
(00:35):
Hills nine o two one zero, who basically did everything
bad under the sun, from smoking weed, sleeping with everyone,
I stole things. I mean, I don't even know where.
If I had half of the gumption and balls of
ginger Lomnica, I'd probably have a really different life today. Anyhow.
(00:57):
So I am so excited to be here because as
I am interviewing a very dear friend who I have
known for twenty no thirty, let's not get crazy, almost thirty.
Well let's see if Clueless is thirty years old shortly
after so in the high twenties, and we work together
(01:20):
on Sabring of the Teenage Witch. And you probably know
that it is Melissa Joan Hart, and she has been
famous for her whole life pretty much, and I always
call her a unicorn because she is one of the
most down to earth kindest, most generous, like team spirited
(01:41):
person that I've probably perhaps ever worked with in my career. So, hi, welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You are going to make me cry stop it all
time out Ginger Lemnica.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I was that her name?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, yes, yes, that is the most not too no
name I've ever heard. Yes, it is love that and
I love that you got to do all those things
because I've never gotten to do any of those things.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it's really the only time I think that. I
I mean, I've always played sort of you know, bitchy people,
but she was like on the next she was next level.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She was I gotta go back and watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. Yeah, So thank you so much. So everybody knows that.
I literally called Melissa maybe five minutes ago and was like, hey,
will you do this? Are you available to chat today?
So I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's so funny because I was like, I mean, I
told you no, because I was like I have been
on the longest podcast like hiatus, because I was like,
I'm done. I can't do these anymore, Like yeah, they
take too much time. You know, they're like I just
keep talking, I just keep blabbing, and you I mean,
you know only for you, basically only for you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
When I come out of the woodwork and like be like,
all right, I'll talk.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, we'll use this as an exercise of how to
you know, speak properly in public and you know, be
diplomat and all of those things.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I could be conciping and not give too many sound
bites that could be used out of context, because I
seem to do that a lot, and then I get
in trouble and people call me out on like why
did you say that, And I'm like, oh, I was
just chatting with a friend.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, so this was actually going to be one of
my questions about how well. First of all, we're going
to talk about the movie that you have coming out
in a couple of weeks, but before we get there,
one of the things that I was going to ask
you was how different it is or how do you
feel the difference of what people go through today with
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social media and the and the press, and how much
more available everybody is and what an influence that is
in comparison to like in the nineties and earlier, how
people had access but not quite as much. So it
was wonderful, yes, right, and I'm wondering if you feel
like a different kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean I think we all all of us
that grew up without it and now with it, and
like we're the one what do they call it, bridge
generation or whatever, they will know both sort of lives,
you know, to not have it was.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's funny because as actors, like we're just we just
want attention.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And so that's what social media does for us and
give us constant attention, whether it's good or bad, you know,
and people that want attention want good or bad.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They don't care what kind. They just want attention in
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Cases, not always, but you know, I feel like we
used to work really hard. We knew people weren't going
to see it for a while, you know, whether it
was a movie that was going to take a year
to come out, or it was an episode of a
TV show that would even take months and months to
come out, Like we shot our Christmas episodes in like August, right,
you know, and so and then you would go promote
those things, and you would promote them and you would
kind of have this short window of like four days
(04:47):
in New York and a few days in la where.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You go on all the talk shows, and you change
your clothes million times, and.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You get up at two am and la la, and
then you want to go out and party and go
to the premieres and another, you know, and you would
be exhausted and then you go back and you crash,
and you could be like, hiatus, I'm done until I
go back to work on Monday, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So it's sort of these.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Controlled little bursts of when you were available and when
you were promoting. Now it's like, I mean, I feel
the pressure and I'm not good at it because my
Instagram followers haven't grown in like five years.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm turning fifty next year.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I want to be like five million by fifty, but
I'm never going at like one point eight for like
seven years, so that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's still very strong. I mean, I feel like there's
that difference of you can't do anything without someone having
something to say about it, you know. So then the
more it's like that thing of which is sort of
always been true, kind of the more famous you are,
the more people have something to say about it or
can see something. But there's something so like you irreversible
(05:50):
about the about social media where people have such strong
opinions about things, and then I think they also feel
like they're closer to you somehow, like they know you.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, but you can really like when politics cause these days,
like the problem I think is that politics is getting involved.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
We never talked about politics or religion.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Right, right, you might say what religion you were, celebrate
a religion or something you know, or celebrate a certain
holiday that then everyone knew what religion you were. But
now it's like it's it's gotten to where people judge
each other based on these labels of things and put
you in categories. And I think that's really dangerous, you know,
I I uh, I just and it's such a job,
Like you know, how to post something. I could say
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something like I hate the color orange, and all of
a sudden, everyone hates me because of this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
She never liked blue ever, I knew that they're like, yeah,
I knew that you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And like that must mean that you like auburn, and
that must mean that you think that Trump is something
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
All these things, right, I just said I didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Like orange, Like it doesn't even matter, Like what are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Hall? And you hate cool weather and you hate, yeahpkins, she.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Doesn't like pumpkins and she's on the which show.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A witch on Yeah, she has to like range, you know.
Or so it's so it can be so benign and
it turns into such a thing, and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like it is like a second career. I really do
feel that, like trying to keep up whenever I have
something that I'm promoting or want to talk about, it's
like it does feel like it is a legitimate part
of the work.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Now there's like a fine line too, between like having
to having to post and then like what you post
and how people see it, and like I'm like at
one point last year, basically during election season, and I
was like, I just want to be a place people
can come for fun, Like I just want to do
fun stuff. But the people are like, how come you're
not using your platform.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
With your voice you have you can So I really
had to think about that. I turned it off Instagram
for about four months. It was what all we were doing?
You did? Yeah? Right, I like deleted it. My sister
still my sister sometimes posts for me.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'll send her stuff and she'll so especially during that time,
I was like, hey, can you post this picture?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
With this caption, but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Going on it, like I don't want to look at it, right,
but I wanted to stay active, so I.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That feel that probably feels really nice.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was like really nice, and I really want to
I want to do it again because right now I'm
getting like overwhelmed with at all and the holidays are
coming and you know it's all too much. But but
you know between like the pressure of having to post
what you post becomes so well. But if as entertainers,
like I just kind of want to entertain, so I'm like,
maybe I'll just do that. But I do have a
few things that are close to my heart that I
(08:25):
do feel like I have a voice for that, I
have a passion for that. I want to share with
people and to use it. So am I not doing
my due diligence if I'm not using that platform right?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So tell us, I know you are passionate about a
couple of charities that you really you know, we're oftentimes
asked to, you know, speak on my half of something
or post about something, and sometimes, uh, you know that
can be We're involved to varying degrees, but I know
for you, a couple of them are really very close
(08:56):
to your heart and you actually do a lot of
work surrounding them, So tell us what those Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, that gets tricky too though, because it's like, I
have so many charities I love in a door and
want to bring attention to money and you know, all
the things too. But then you're like one of my
friends once said, well, you're diluting what you could be
driving everyone too, And I was like, oh, no, am
I bad by doing all these chearday.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like, no wonder we're all up at night, no one sleeps.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I'm like, did I choose the wrong charity? No?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But like I mean, I have things from an aquarium
on the board of in Connecticut to I'm actually going
to One of my favorites is operation shower. So I'm
going to be hosting a mother's Uh we like that.
It's it's from military wives. It's like a baby shower
they throw in all these different cities near a base.
They'll throw a baby shower for the military wives and
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they'll get the strollers and car seats and diapers and
like all these great brands like support it. And it's
kind of I think it's an offshoot of the USO.
But it's not really the USO. It's sort of like
allowed in the places where USO is allowed. So I'm
gonna go host their big gala on this year. It's
in Saint Louis, so I'm gonna go do that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I love this. It's so perfect for you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And those women are so stoic.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
They're all pregnant or having had brand new babies because
they have to have had a baby or be pregnant
within like two years. And I mean they're holding these
babies or they're big and pregnant and they're by themselves
and their husbands are deployed or they're you know, spouse
or partner is gone, and it's like, yeah, oh my gosh,
Like I can't imagine anything harder than being pregnant and
being alone.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And they really like that community we I have. We
know a couple of family friends that are in the
Special Forces and things, and I know how important those
the community becomes. When your partner is away. It's like
and they often don't have any contact, you know, It's
just like they don't they just don't know until they
come back. It's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And I'll be standing there in tears as I'm giving
a speech or something or meeting them.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And I'm like, oh my gosh, this must be so hard.
And they're like, I'm good, and they're.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Like so stoic and so tough, and I'm like, but
you know, we always, we always thank people for their
service when it's when they're in uniform and when they're
in the military. So to thank the women and the
family and members that are kind of left behind that
are sacrificing a lot too, So you know, yeah, their
loved ones in harm's way and they're you know, so
that that one's a really great one. And then like
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the one I hold really close to my heart is, well,
there's there's Youth Villages, which is what I played Wheel
of Fortune for, and they have a program called Lifeset,
which is for kids that age out of the foster system.
And then there's World Vision, which I adore. So I
go to Africa and visit. I sponsor three girls with
World Vision in Zambia, and I've taken the boys and
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we've gone and we've put in a well, and we've
given them goats, and we've worked in their fields, and
we've seen the way they live and we see the
way the program works, and so I'm an ambassador for World
Vision and they have this amazing thing at the holidays
which you can all get prepared for. If you go
to Worldvision dot org, you'll find their catalog.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Their Christmas gift catalog.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And it's my favorite way to give, Like if it's
for the mailman or the teacher or just someone you
don't really know too, you can just be like I'm
going to give a chicken or a goat or last
year we donated bathrooms to schools and like, you know,
we put this money towards Like one of the things
that I realized last time I was in Zambia was
a lot of the things for our family have been
taken care of.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
A lot of the needs have been met, except the school.
It's not doing well.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So these kids are not learning so and one of
the problems is they don't have good bathrooms. And the
teachers don't want to work at a school it doesn't
have good bathrooms. So let's put in some good bath
you know, So that kind of thing, Like last year
it was like donating bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Sometimes it's like a whole nativity set of animals.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh, I love it. That's such a great that sounds terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And it's a great thing to do at Christmas time
and Forgiving Tuesday and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah. Well, as I said, you're a unicorn because you
have time to do all of these things. Like That's
the other thing I don't understand is you have so
many children, not so many children, but three boys it
seems like it, which is a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I feel like a.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Lot, and you work all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I reach children, three boys, three boys. That makes it
like seventeen children.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Like sorry, not because they definitely know they are not
clean enough their own stuff anywhere I can.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean, my I had, like what I what I
stopped doing to come here was like to what I
was cleaning the closet of one of them. And it's
taken me three days to go through the.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
All right, wait, let's talk about I've actually never talked
to you about Clarissa. I don't think ever. And so
I want to know, do you even remember what the
audition was like for that or how.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You I do do? It was pretty tedious?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, so I know I auditioned like three times and
at the same time I'm auditioning for Blossom for the role. Yeah,
I was auditioning for the role of six, so I
kind of like I went. I think each time I
went three times to each audition, and I think it
was like the third time I would always wear I
don't know if you did this, but when I was
when I got a callback for something, so callback and
(14:06):
like a second callback, so for the callback, I would
always wear the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, because I was like, that was good luck they
liked it. Whatever I did.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Danielle Offisher and I just talked about this, yea, yeah,
he's the same thing. Always wear the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And I had like a pink T shirt on and
these like acid washed overalls.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And turns out the producer really liked pink and blue,
so it was like pink and blue so like. But
apparently he watched the two auditions side by side and
my my, my strap fell off at the same point
and like I lifted it back up, like three different
places in the audition the strap fell off and I
lifted it back up. And it was years later that
he asked me, he goes, you planned that, didn't you.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
He thought I was like so much. He thought I
was like, well planned.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
The next level. Yeah, but at.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Twelve years old. He's like, she did that, look what
she did?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And I was like, no, I probably moved in the
same way or did some kind of gesture that made
it fall.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And the same right, the fabric was in the same Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, so I just kept falling in this same spot,
like you know what I.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Think about that, Scarlet, So you were twelve. My daughter,
Scarlet is thirteen, so this would mean that she had
already done this a year ago, which I find unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
My son's thirteen. I agree. I can't get him to
go to boy Scouts last night?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Like did you were you interested in acting? Like how
did did you say I want to do this? Or
like how wait? Because I remember you telling me you
didn't you you did a like a uh the bill
Jello right je commercial or and like a couple? So
you then you were super little though, right.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
At this point. So I my first audition was at
four years old, and I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's because, oh my god, do you remember the show
Romper Room, Yeah, of course, So I wanted name. I
don't know if I remember.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, it was miss Marianne or miss mary Anne was
like in the Magic Marriage. She would say kids' names
and She's like, I see Alisa, and I see blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I see yes, and I wanted her no.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
She never said my name, but I realized that she's
saying the names of the kids in the audience. So
I got to get on that show for her to
say my name. So that was where it started. Was
my little brilliant plan to get on And I never
got on Wromber Room, but our friend Kelly Martin did.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I just found this. She was on Wrober Room.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Tell us wait, but this just completely sets up your
whole career. This is like why that very thing that
you just said where you were like, well, if I
want to get to this, then I have to do that.
Like this is this This exemplifies how you're so able
to do so many things and how you produce and
direct and do it because you're able to see how
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to get to where you want the path and.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Like path of least resistance, How can I get miss Marian.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
This really impressive, impressive thing is what I would.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean, I booked my first, third, and fifth auditions
and then I was just like known as like like
in second grade, I was known as the Rice Crispies girl.
Because I was in a race National Rice Crispy commercial
and I was in a Connecticut natural gas commercial. I
could still recite to this day. Yeah, yeah, I mean
it was yeah, like, yeah, anything I learned when I
(17:12):
was younger, I can recite in a minute, but I
can't recite like my I don't even know my kids
phone numbers, so.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, nobody, I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I know only my childhood friend's phone numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I know my old home phone number.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, for my house as a password sometimes, so.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be that would be like, yeah, your password
is zero zero zero zero five five five two two
seven time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
But yeah, So that was like the start of it.
And I did a lot of odd jobs.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I lived in New York, so I did like I
was actually a regular on Saturday Night Live in nineteen
eighty six, where I would like pop in anytime they
need a little girl.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I was on soap operas here and there.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Did you ever do any Were you like an opera kid,
you know, when they had kids in the opera? Did
you ever do that? Or Broadway? No?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Because I couldn't sing, but all my siblings did.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And so we were friends with like Lacey Shavert and
her whole family and like all the kids that did,
like Eden Regal, who then went on to like all
all my children fame, and like the families that like
were in that world. We were part of that like
Broadway world a little bit, but not because I couldn't sing.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
My sisters could. But it was fun. One of my
sisters was in Tommy.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
One was in the Sound of Music at the Lincoln
Theater at Lincoln Center. You know, so I was doing theater,
but I was doing it downtown. I did non musical theater.
So I was like the youngest member of the Circle
Repertory Company, working with like Bill Hurt, William Hurt and
Oh my gosh, Lois Smith and Callista Flockhart and wow yeah,
(18:45):
and like Joe Mantello's first play, Yeah he directed me,
And so you know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Great Joe Mantello, he did he what he directed you
in your first play.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I not my first, but like my third. It was
a monologue on stage. This is what got me close
kind of so okay. So to go back to Clorista,
So they did not.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Want the producer did not want a blonde for Clarisa
refused to see blondes.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Such a deep thought.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I know, and we all know why they were like
no blondes. So I go, I'm doing a theater. I'm
doing a play at the time. Actually I had red
hair at the time because I had to be a
redhead for this play, so I did.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I was doing a monologue. We actually workshopped it.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
So it was written by Peter Hedges, who's written like
Danimrell Life and What's Heed and Gilbert Great and Huge,
So he was actually writing What's he Did and Gilbert
Great while we were doing the play.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But the first I was doing.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
This play with William Hurt and while I was doing that,
they were we were workshopping this other thing, and it
was me on a bicycle stationary bicycle. They like propped
up my bike and I was riding it and I
did this whole monologue on a bike. And that was
the workshop. Then they brought it to Broadway and we
did it. But he had at that point Peter Hedges
had written this whole long. It was like the first
one was like five minutes. The workshop, My part ended
(19:58):
up being about it supposed to be thirty minutes, but
I so fast ended up being twenty minutes on stage and.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It was a monologue. So I'm on stage.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It's about a little girl who gets her period and
doesn't know what to do, so she's I think I
was like eleven, and so I think the person was
the It's the first time I probably ever played up,
or the only time I've ever played up.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, in age. So I was doing this play. I'm
on stage. I'm like talking on.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The phone to my friend. I'm kissing the pillow, I'm
jumping up and dancing. I am woman talking about how
I shoved a bunch of isssues up there because I
don't know what else to do.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
My mom's not home.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So it's like this really fun, great play and it
goes out with me singing I am Woman, jumping up
and down a couch, and then it go and I'm
on the cover of the playbill. Then I go off
and these two women get on and they're like in
a car and you find out that the redhead in
the in the play has a husband who has no arms,
no legs, is blind and death like basically like oh
my god, doesn't really have a lot of body parts.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And the other woman is like why is that? And
she finds out she was sexually abused by her father
on the day she got her period, started being sexually abuseable.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So, my god, so it becomes.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
This dark like it goes from like this fun, joyful
thing to like this dark place of this like journey
of this woman. This one woman's being abused and the
other woman can tell and she's like, well, this is
why I married my husband.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my god. Was this a workshop play? Like what
what happened?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It was a play on the in the players theater.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So when we went off stage, Ruthless came on with
Arabel Bundy and Britney Spears, right, So so small, small
downtown theater in downtown Manhattan. So in the in the
off Broadway. Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, So I did that.
And so while I'm doing that, this is the weirdest thing.
So I'm my agents are I didn't know this, but
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my agents are like pushing for me to.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Audition for Clarissa.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And Clarissa was monologues like the monologues delivered breaking the
fourth wall, which is what I was doing every night
on stage. And the producer, I guess took his I
think I think this is correct, took his animal, his
dog or whatever to a vet, and the vet had
a new uh rescue that he found the night before, and.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He said, oh, what'd you name it? And he said,
I named it Valerie, which was the name of my character.
And he said, well, why do you name it Valerie?
He goes, well, I went to see this play last
night and this little girl was really impressive. So I
named the dog Valerie. And he goes, oh, that's the
little girl.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
They keep trying to get to audition from my show way,
and so he.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Goes, should I get her? And the VET was like, yes,
please get her for your show. So he auditions me once,
auditions me twice, and still can't like wrap his head
around the fact that I'm blonde.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But he likes me. So third audition was like a
sit down chat.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't think I really read the lines. It was
more of a sit down chat. And he says to me, so,
do you like new kids on the block And I went, eh,
I hate them. And I went, oh, my god, this
guy works in the industry. He's probably I mean, look,
I'm like eleven or twelve, right, So I'm like that
was the worst. Like I did not control myself when
I when I gagged and like had the ick as
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the kid says, but I was like, he probably knows them,
He's probably one of their uncles.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That was the stupidest thing. I definitely didn't get this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Audition, like he's not going to hire me now, And
he goes, well, who do you like? And I said, well,
I like they might be giants and he was like
and I and like at school, I'm being endlessly teased
for my music choices. My war group, like Calista Flockhart
was dressing me and like funky East Village kind of stuff,
and everyone back in.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Preppy Long Island was like, what are you wearing? Why
is your hair red?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Why are you they might be giants? Producers like yeah,
like I want her, And so I got the job.
So and then I was like, ooh, do I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Six or do I like the best? This is like
the best example of how important it is to be
who you are, Like all actors, you know, especially young actors,
are trying to be somebody out there, trying to like
sort of compare themselves to other people and try to
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be like the waiting room. Yeah, I see this. I
want to be like that. I want to do and
really always it is about being an individual and being
exactly who you are, and if you're the right person
for the part, you're getting the job, you know, and
there are all sorts of other weird factors that we
can't control, but that is so ideal and.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's it really did teach me that lesson.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I mean growing up playing Clarissa, a character who
was a nonconformant, like a true nonconformist, like I'm being
styled and written like the writing was being done by
people that would go on to write write some of
the biggest shows on television. They you know, the Clarissa
writers went on to write Friends, to be the showrunners
of Friends the Office.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
One of them went wrote The Games.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Like Susanne Collins went and wrote the Hunger Games after
you know, he wrote a few episodes of Clarissa, but
she wasn't one of our staff writers. But you know,
so you're you're getting all this amazing writing. I also
have these style gurus that are like, I mean, this
is pre sex in the City and things like the
style was insane and people like really took to it.
Parents hated it, kids loved it. Like I have parents
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coming up to me going thanks a lot. I bought
my my daughter a fifty dollar pair of jeans and
she cut them and painted on them, and I was.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Now my fault, I'm a child, Control your kid? What
do you want to tell you?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, but it was really funny, you know, it was
a really fun show, and it really taught me that
I can be myself. And I you know, this is
like in middle school when like meat girl stuff is
just starting to happen.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, what a gift, right, because that period of life
my daughter's going through it right now, is so challenging
and there is just like no way to very little
that we can do as parents to sort of help
except to just love them and remind you that you're
doing that you'll get through this, et cetera. So what
(25:38):
a gift to be able to have that actual place
to go to express yourself and be you know, respected
for it and appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And well, and I'm filming in Orlando at Nickelodeon Studios
and I'm away from like my family.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I had to oh that was in you sad that
in Orlando, in.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Orlando at Universal Studios, Orlando, So Nicolo, that's where Nick
Loving Studios was headquartered at the time, and and so
we you know, I'm on one hand in this preppy
junior high where I don't fit in, and then on
the other hand, I'm in Orlando on a sound stage
where I'm number one on the call sheet, and if
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I asked for pretzels, they get me pretzels, but nobody
cares what I'm wearing. I literally would take clothes from
the Electric guys and be like, can I have that shirt?
And they were like sure, and they'd give me like
these huge, baggy shirts and I wear them with leggings
and combat boots, and nobody made fun of me for
wearing like a big old boy's shirt, you know, Like these.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Guys were like three hundred pounds, and they'd be like,
here's your here's my shirt. I'm like, thank you. It
was like, oh gosh, what does he call it now?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
His pump pump fit, right, like the big pump fit,
kind of like working out stuff. And I'm like, let
me wear your clothes. Can I have your clothes? And
so it was like, you know, and they were really
all cool to me. They were like as long as
I was nice to them, they didn't care what music
I listened to or what I was wearing. If I
was nice to people, they wanted to hang out with me, right,
And I was like, oh my gosh, if I'm just
nice to people.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Again, Unicorn, You're the only person that would have that
response where I'm the center of attention. I'm doing this
whole thing, and I'm thinking, oh, I just have to
be nice to people, and I can express my like
this is you are like the exam the right example
of how to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well, those guys they protected me too, like that crew,
Like you know, it was a lot of guys, and
they were a little bit older than me. They were
all in like their early twenties, and so I had
crushes on all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But they took good.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Care of me, like yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
That whole Nickelodeon thing came out recently. This is gonna
be a little not salacious, but like when that Nickelodeon
thing came out recently about kind of the horrors that happened, Yeah,
on some shows at Nickelodeon. That was not my experience
because I was protected by my crew, like my guys. Yeah,
and I have pictures where, you know, they're all having
drinks around me, and I'm like in a bathing suit
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because I've been rolling around in the sprinklers at an
apartment complex and they're all drinking beers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But I'd be like, I want a beer. I want
a beer. I want a beer. At this point, I'm like,
sixteen seventeen, I want a beer. Give me a beer.
And they'd be like, no, we're not.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Giving you a beer because we'll get fired tomorrow'm I
and thank God for them, like, thank God for them.
I'm not letting me because I didn't really want to drink.
I just wanted to hang with the.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Cool sure that you wanted to like, yeah, be It was.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like, I just want to hold it. Can I just
hold it? Like it's disgusting, But I just want to
hold the beer because I just feel cool because I
want to hang with you guys. But they were like, no,
we don't want to get fired. Stop it. Let's go
roll in the sprinklers. We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm like, you know, there is something, And again I
think this is about your spirit from the inside out,
because Sabrito was very similar where I felt like I
felt they I felt very protected there as well, But
for it was very clear how much everybody really loved
you and looked after you. You know, where it felt
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like it was a family and where they were and
it wasn't. It just was very genuine, you know, and
I trust them all.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like there was times when I was gonna like there's
times when I had the flu and I had to
be my own evil twin on a volcano edge in
the middle of the tank and Paramount and I'm like,
if I climb up there and I pass out from
the heat because I'm puking so much. I was like,
Phil Perry, can you guys get behind me and catch
me if I fall? You know, when I trust these guys,
like catch me if I fall fifty feet?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, we don't know, like we got I mean, that's
like legit trust. Yeah, that is So did you ever
on Sabrina? Did you ever have any because at that
point you started directing episodes and did you have a
producing credit to on that in Sabrina?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
On Sabrina, yes, because we found the we found the
comic strip, we found the Archie comic.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Did you ever butt heads with people creatively? Like did
you ever have a thing? Were there?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And because I always think and people don't do this
I've learned, especially recently. People don't always do this, but
I always find it's my job as an actor. If
someone writes it, I'm delivering what they wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, Like and Onliss, I learned that I had to
make it work right.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, like I had.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I could not drift away from the script on Clarissa
and I, and if I did, I couldn't remember. I
couldn't get myself back on track if I veered off
for a word or two. So I had to memorize
it as written. And I always thought it's my job
to do that. It's not my job to rewrite it.
That's the writers. The writer's job is to write it.
It's my job to perform it. If it doesn't make sense, yeah,
I'll go and talk to them and be like, hey,
this isn't really lining up, and like, what do we
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need to do here? There was one episode you were
in would probably be the only time I can say, well,
there was one episode where I was stuck in my
own bad mood and it was so like, this was
the first time and actually one of ours. I hate
it because one of our directors from Clarissa was directing
and I wanted her to direct so bad, but I
was in a terrible mood and the episode came out
not great and she never got invited back, which I
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blame on myself because I couldn't figure out if I
was in a bad mood because the character was in
bad mood, Like I didn't know if art was imitating
life or life isn't Like, am I in a bad
mood and it's influencing.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
The show or shadowing on me? Like?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So that was one episode that I remember having a
tough time with.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then there was one, Yeah, what about the one
that I was in?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
The one that you were in was Florida. The Florida
one for sorry I say it with my New York accent,
everyone makes fun of me. The Florida Christmas episode where
uh Soley's character goes to Roxy goes to meet her mom.
Oh right, Angels was in it. I was directing it,
and we had it was a really for some reason,
that script just didn't work right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, I don't remember that. I very much remember that
episode sort of as in a general sense, and I
remember Kate was the mom. I also feel like I
had just gotten over some wicked flu or something, so
I was like not one hundred percent, but what did
so you felt like that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I remember it reading it and then rehearsing it and
being like, there's nothing great. This isn't like a Christmas
like oh, like, there's no like magical moment or beautiful
thing coming out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Very dull, and I couldn't figure out how to.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Judge it up as the director, so I kept trying
to work with the writers and then like the look
of it. And I don't know if you remember, but Carrie,
who was my assistant at the time, and all the carrollers.
I ended up having the carrollers like every time a
door open, they'd be like.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Oh yes, and they'd.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Be like like it was kind of written in there,
but like I think we added more to make it
more spicy and make it more a joke.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And we kept playing it around with that stuff. But
the very end, when she and her mom, I guess,
Sabrina makes the pond for the pool freeze so they
can ice skate, like some old memory to ice skate,
But nobody could figure out how this pond should look.
And it was literally as we're shooting it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Cindy, who was like set decorator, I'm like I need
you to get a push broom and push every snowflake
you can find around the edge, and I need a garland,
and I need all four carrollers in the.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Scene, and they all have to stand around the edge
so we know that it's a pool. Because right so.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Leigh and Kate had to wear roller blades, and I remember,
you know, I remember Ken and my mother Paula, the
other executive producer and Ken Cooker producer, both saying, you
can't do it like this.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You can't have the camera up high. I'm like, I
can't shoot them from below. That's like, that's my Christmas scene.
It's gonna be a big wide you know. I want
some scope here. I want to see the Christmas scene.
So we decorated the whole set.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
We made it look like a pool with all this
snowflake that we made like look like ice on the
edge with the garland, and then they're skating in front
of it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So I just cut their feet off. But we had
a high angle and I had the carollers stand in
almost a semicircle, so it looked like the edge of
a pool. And basically this and then we got the
end A Happy New Year, and I was like yes,
and I wanted it to fade to black, just like
an old like Carol Brunette show or something where it's
like all the lights go out, the spotlights on them,
and then it just goes dark. Oh and then that's
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what and then the Carollers then the light comes up
on the like I think it was like Muppet Show
or something that I took inspiration from, where it's like
you go from that scene and you pan left and
you see the carolers and like.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And a happy I totally remember that we need we
need to buy yes, and because like you know, we
all know that the Christmas episodes, like there is a
vibe that there has to be to them, and it's
like something that audience members are really like chill.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, And I was like, this is missing that. So
I was able to I was trying to explain it
to people though sometimes like and even Ken and my mom,
who usually understood what I was trying to say. I
was like, just watch, just watch it, like we don't
have time for this, you just have to shoot it.
I'm like, no, it's got.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To be right, like I don't have time.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes, But I was so happy because it actually worked
because you know, sometimes you do those things you're like,
but this was like, yeah, it worked, So I was
really helpy.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
This is a great segue to talk about the movie
that you have that's coming out. Yeah, so tell me
about Marry Little X. Miss I happened to know a
couple of people in this movie. I think you do,
and tell me, tell me how it came to you,
why you wanted to make it, tell me all the things.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, you remember Holly Hester, one of our brilliant writers
on Sabrina I Do.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
She sent us a script, she said, I have this
Christmas movie. We loved it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We sent it to Netflix. Netflix was like, we love it,
let's do it. It took a long time to put
on his feet, just rewrites and getting it right and
who are we going to cast and who's going to
direct it and all the little pieces coming together. Took
a really long time, but we have this wonderful movie.
Now we have this fantastic cast.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I literally I always do these little grids of like
my photos of like who I think the cast should be,
like a dream board, and this whole dream board came
to life, Like it was gosh, that's amazing, so insane.
So your buddy Alicia Silverstone came on.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yes, So I feel like I really I'm sort of
an EP because I.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Tell you because I called you to get to her.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, because you know, sometimes in this industry we have
an idea of someone. I was like, I know that
her agents might read it and go, eh, we're not
going to have her do a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But I figured if I called you talked to her.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Such a would testament to like we as actors, we
want to do good material. We have many reasons why
we want to do things, but good material is like
sort of the main purpose and it doesn't always get
to you right, So it doesn't make so much easier
if you can go directly to the person.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And I knew that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I knew her agents could easily pass on it if
she didn't even know about it. So I wanted her
to like know about it and read it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So she did.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
She loved it, she wanted to come on board. And
then funny enough, I've always wanted Oliver Hudson like I
used to. I don't know if you were ever at
some of those parties we used to go to when
he would show.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Up, Yeah, where everybody was like in love with him
because he was so handsome and everybody's like hi, Hi, Hi.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I would say the stupidest stuff, like my mouth would
become a jumble of like yeah, and I'd say something
like I need milk and he's like okay.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So I haven't seen him in like twenty years, and
I was so nervous. I'm like, oh my gosh, this
guy probably still remembers me as a babbling buffoon. He
sentenced together around him like I don't even get it.
Like he's really handsome, but like it's not but not like.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I mean, he has charisma, he has a very there's something.
He's an electraumatic person in a very specific way, which
a lot of people Harry styles has that for example,
that's like when I met Harry, I was like I did, yeah,
I could be my child. And I was like, oh goodness,
yeah you're I'm a feeling very like I.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Met Billy Idyl a few years ago and I was like,
holy crap, you are.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Sexy, Like right, what is that? You could be my
dad but you're sexy?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, So Oliver he just gave off that thing, and
so I was like really wanted him for this part.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
But I was also like, oh, it just huge, Like
what am I even gonna say to him?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
And like my hairdresser, I was like, I don't know
how to talk to Oliver and she's like, you'll figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm like, I hope. So funny.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
But yeah, So Oliver was amazing and we have a lot.
Oliver and I have a lot of friends in common
because a lot of people worked on his show Rules
of Engagement.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And oh right, right, right, a.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Lot of people in common. And what's wonderful is that
his son Wilder came on and played his son the movie, which.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Was really is that right?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh? I didn't so to see Oliver like be a
stage dad.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It made me like, how would I be with my
kids on sex? I've never really built that.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Wait, your kids have not been in Oh they've been around.
They've been around, they just haven't been in front of
the like.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
For like like a scene in Melissa Joey or like
I'm never well, Tucker was. Tucker was in a scene
of a movie I directed, but like one long scene
and that was it, right, you know, we shot that
scene and he was done so half a day or whatever.
But but him working with his son for like, you know,
I mean, we're there six weeks and he's oh wow,
trying to give his son notes and help him with
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the comedy and like, just come on, you know you
got this, Like don't be afraid and don't be like
really play with it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
What if he was like really mean and he was
like that's awful. Do it again.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Oh my god, so patient and so and he was
so proud of it. Was so cute to see it
on his dad face of like he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So sweet. And Jamila, Jamil, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So she is amazing. I have I was obsessed with
the Good Place and I just went I read this part.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I was like, oh, please let it be her? Please
can this be her? Like she would just be she
would kill this part, like she'd be so amazing. It's
supposed to be so. Alicia's character and her name's Kate
and Oliver's character there they are husband and wife, but
they're getting divorced and they're amicably divorcing. They have two
teenage kids and they've decided now is the time to
separate because mainly because Alicia's character wants to go off
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and have a career, and so she's kind of decided
she needs her own space and she's leaving this marriage
and uh, and then he brings to Christmas, he kind
of surprises the family that Jamila is the new girlfriend.
So he shows up with like this young, hot, like
sapy New York City slick, you.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Know, girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And so it becomes like the family having to hang
out in this small town in Vermont, and what happens
at the dinner and the gingerbread making contest, all these things,
and so Pearson Fote comes into it, who you might
know from his recent The Wrong Paris, and he's like,
got a billion movies coming out this year, right, we did.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
A movie together years ago that no one saw called
DM A you don't need to watch m d M
A m d M A nice And that is what
it is about. Go ahead, and I got to see this.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So Pearson is like a like the you know, the
jack of all trades from every Christmas movie, Like he's
the tree cutter guy, but he's also like the town
exotic dancer and the snowplow guy, like he does all
the things.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And so she uses him to try to make Oliver's
character jealous again. Like once she starts getting jealous, she
uses Pearson and and so they you know, the two
couples are kind of always fighting for attention and they go.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Sledding age love it all the things. So oh and
I'm in it too.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But yeah, are you're in it too?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Right? Yes? I play's best friend. I kind of yeah,
I'm like the best friend in town, his girst friend. Yes,
I get to be the best.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Friend, which is fun. Which was it was a great
it was funny role. It had a lot of you
know a lot of really funny lines. And I could
produce and be in it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yes, so you right, you produced it and you're in it,
but you did not direct it.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
No, I did not direct it. It was Steve Carr who did,
like Paul Blart, Mall Cop Cop and Daddy Daycare.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Right right, So like big comedies, big comedy.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So there's a lot of comedy in this movie, yes,
which is fun because I feel like Christmas movies are
missing comedy.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's all romance and sweet and I was just.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Gonna say, like, that's such an excellent combo a comedy,
And because I who doesn't love making a Christmas movie
and who doesn't love watching Christmas movie? I like both
of those things, and the comedic part is like a
home run.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I feel like those are the ones that we're not
getting now, and those are the ones that last. Like
the classic you know from our childhood, I won't you know,
go as far back as like you know, Miracle on
thirty fourth Street and it's a wonderful life classic.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But classics like Elf.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Vacation, you know, Christmas baka Home Alone, they all have
a comedic They're like comedy movies first and then they're
Christmas on the side.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So you know, I'm kind of into making movies like that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
So tell me before we go, what when does it air?
When does it premiere where? Or when? How?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
November twelfth, November twelve, it will air on Netflix and
you can watch it all holiday season long, many many many.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Times, many many many many times. This can become what
my love actually is, which I watch at the b
starting at the beginning of the season, and then continue
to watch it through till you know New.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Year's exactly exactly. It does have a little feel of love. Actually,
there's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I mean, I know that that's a lot of different
storylines telling different stories of love, but this one has
the two like kind of three, because it's like almost
like the two side relationships and then the marriage, right,
you know, so you kind of watch these different relationships
and how they change, and it's fun. And not only
does Wilder play the Sun, but this wonderful talented actress,
(43:02):
Emily plays the daughter and she brings in a guy
named Timothy plays her boyfriend, Nigel from England, who is
like a Harry Potter, like geeked out kind of guy.
And so she brings her boyfriend home to meet the parents.
And so you got the younger the younger version too.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
And what's going on this sequel? Obviously there's many.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
We have to keep it going, keep the train.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yes, I love you so dearly. I'm so happy that
we got to sort of see each other because when
I posted that photo of Jenny, Jenny Garth and I
had went to an event together and Melissa is like,
why do my friends get to hang out and I'm
not there? And then I thought we have to.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I know, I love it. I mean I've only met
Jenny once, but she is like my favorite person on Earth.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
That picture, you know, the picture of all of us
at nineties Con where we're laughing, Joria and Florida when
we had there's like a martini in it and French
fries and I look like I am losing my mind.
I was laughing so hard. That picture keeps coming up.
I have a shuffle on my laptop, but it only
uses that photo and then one other photo of my
(44:07):
friend Tom and I where we're in Italy, and I'm like, oh,
I like both of these things. But it's like, doesn't
shuffle anything else. So I see that photo of us
all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's some weird algorithm. But what's hilarious is like that's
like the first time I really met Jenny.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
When I've been friends with Brian Austin Green and I
worked with Jason Priestley and he's my neighbor here in Nashville,
and like, oh that's right, yes, yeah, so like the
nine to two and like I ran into Tory all
the time everywhere, But Jenny's the one I've never really met.
And I met her that and I was but she's
the one I want, like I think because I like
had the blonde hair like her.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, you guys have a similar a similar I kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Imagined myself like her, Like I wanted to be a
little bit more quiet than I was, Like I was
like the loud mouth, but I wanted to be more
quiet and like her, you know. And so to meet
her was like, oh my god, like my teenage self, right,
her and Christine Taylor as you were there for when
we were at Christine Tea.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh my gosh. Christine and I and are never never
crossed paths career where we thought we were going to
do this TV show together for years and then it
was like, oh no, that show's not going so and
you two will never see each other again.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Oh no, well, and that was at Comic Con. I
think it was that same one with David Lasher being
with Christine, and.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know, that was a different one because I we
what was the one for the first time. I've only
done it twice once for nineties Con. Once I did
it with Alicia and Clueless, and then the second time
was with you guys. But I think I wasn't there
with David and.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh were you only in Hartford? Did you only do
it in Harford?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yep, I only did Harford. And then I did the
Florida one with with you y yeah, oh no, dayton No,
remember it was Daytona Daytona.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, so maybe it was the Tampa day Tampa
was before. So Tampa I think is when I met
Christine and went out with David and I was like, she.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Was the sweetest. Also, what a lovely Yeah, she's like
a lovely, lovely let's put.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Together a girls group and just like start making a.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Girls I yes, help me in well.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I love you, thank you for having me, thanks for
getting me out of my podcast hiatus.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Exactly. I'm so proud to say I am the person
who's brought you out of hiding.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
You did, you did, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
All Right, everybody watched this movie, I'm going to like,
it's going to be amazing. Merry little X mess all right.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I love you, Love you girl,
Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey guys, Alisa Donovan here. I don't know if you
know who I am, but maybe you do. You might
know me from Clueless or another little show called Sabrina
the Teenage Witch. But if you're listening to this podcast,
you probably know me as ginger Lo Monica from Beverly
(00:35):
Hills nine o two one zero, who basically did everything
bad under the sun, from smoking weed, sleeping with everyone,
I stole things. I mean, I don't even know where.
If I had half of the gumption and balls of
ginger Lomnica, I'd probably have a really different life today. Anyhow.
(00:57):
So I am so excited to be here because as
I am interviewing a very dear friend who I have
known for twenty no thirty, let's not get crazy, almost thirty.
Well let's see if Clueless is thirty years old shortly
after so in the high twenties, and we work together
(01:20):
on Sabring of the Teenage Witch. And you probably know
that it is Melissa Joan Hart, and she has been
famous for her whole life pretty much, and I always
call her a unicorn because she is one of the
most down to earth kindest, most generous, like team spirited
(01:41):
person that I've probably perhaps ever worked with in my career. So, hi, welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You are going to make me cry stop it all
time out Ginger Lemnica.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I was that her name?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, yes, yes, that is the most not too no
name I've ever heard. Yes, it is love that and
I love that you got to do all those things
because I've never gotten to do any of those things.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it's really the only time I think that. I
I mean, I've always played sort of you know, bitchy people,
but she was like on the next she was next level.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She was I gotta go back and watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. Yeah, So thank you so much. So everybody knows that.
I literally called Melissa maybe five minutes ago and was like, hey,
will you do this? Are you available to chat today?
So I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's so funny because I was like, I mean, I
told you no, because I was like I have been
on the longest podcast like hiatus, because I was like,
I'm done. I can't do these anymore, Like yeah, they
take too much time. You know, they're like I just
keep talking, I just keep blabbing, and you I mean,
you know only for you, basically only for you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
When I come out of the woodwork and like be like,
all right, I'll talk.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, we'll use this as an exercise of how to
you know, speak properly in public and you know, be
diplomat and all of those things.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I could be conciping and not give too many sound
bites that could be used out of context, because I
seem to do that a lot, and then I get
in trouble and people call me out on like why
did you say that, And I'm like, oh, I was
just chatting with a friend.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, so this was actually going to be one of
my questions about how well. First of all, we're going
to talk about the movie that you have coming out
in a couple of weeks, but before we get there,
one of the things that I was going to ask
you was how different it is or how do you
feel the difference of what people go through today with
(03:38):
social media and the and the press, and how much
more available everybody is and what an influence that is
in comparison to like in the nineties and earlier, how
people had access but not quite as much. So it
was wonderful, yes, right, and I'm wondering if you feel
like a different kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean I think we all all of us
that grew up without it and now with it, and
like we're the one what do they call it, bridge
generation or whatever, they will know both sort of lives,
you know, to not have it was.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's funny because as actors, like we're just we just
want attention.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And so that's what social media does for us and
give us constant attention, whether it's good or bad, you know,
and people that want attention want good or bad.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They don't care what kind. They just want attention in
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Cases, not always, but you know, I feel like we
used to work really hard. We knew people weren't going
to see it for a while, you know, whether it
was a movie that was going to take a year
to come out, or it was an episode of a
TV show that would even take months and months to
come out, Like we shot our Christmas episodes in like August, right,
you know, and so and then you would go promote
those things, and you would promote them and you would
kind of have this short window of like four days
(04:47):
in New York and a few days in la where.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You go on all the talk shows, and you change
your clothes million times, and.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You get up at two am and la la, and
then you want to go out and party and go
to the premieres and another, you know, and you would
be exhausted and then you go back and you crash,
and you could be like, hiatus, I'm done until I
go back to work on Monday, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So it's sort of these.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Controlled little bursts of when you were available and when
you were promoting. Now it's like, I mean, I feel
the pressure and I'm not good at it because my
Instagram followers haven't grown in like five years.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm turning fifty next year.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I want to be like five million by fifty, but
I'm never going at like one point eight for like
seven years, so that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's still very strong. I mean, I feel like there's
that difference of you can't do anything without someone having
something to say about it, you know. So then the
more it's like that thing of which is sort of
always been true, kind of the more famous you are,
the more people have something to say about it or
can see something. But there's something so like you irreversible
(05:50):
about the about social media where people have such strong
opinions about things, and then I think they also feel
like they're closer to you somehow, like they know you.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, but you can really like when politics cause these days,
like the problem I think is that politics is getting involved.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
We never talked about politics or religion.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Right, right, you might say what religion you were, celebrate
a religion or something you know, or celebrate a certain
holiday that then everyone knew what religion you were. But
now it's like it's it's gotten to where people judge
each other based on these labels of things and put
you in categories. And I think that's really dangerous, you know,
I I uh, I just and it's such a job,
Like you know, how to post something. I could say
(06:32):
something like I hate the color orange, and all of
a sudden, everyone hates me because of this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
She never liked blue ever, I knew that they're like, yeah,
I knew that you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And like that must mean that you like auburn, and
that must mean that you think that Trump is something
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
All these things, right, I just said I didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Like orange, Like it doesn't even matter, Like what are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Hall? And you hate cool weather and you hate, yeahpkins, she.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Doesn't like pumpkins and she's on the which show.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A witch on Yeah, she has to like range, you know.
Or so it's so it can be so benign and
it turns into such a thing, and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like it is like a second career. I really do
feel that, like trying to keep up whenever I have
something that I'm promoting or want to talk about, it's
like it does feel like it is a legitimate part
of the work.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Now there's like a fine line too, between like having
to having to post and then like what you post
and how people see it, and like I'm like at
one point last year, basically during election season, and I
was like, I just want to be a place people
can come for fun, Like I just want to do
fun stuff. But the people are like, how come you're
not using your platform.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
With your voice you have you can So I really
had to think about that. I turned it off Instagram
for about four months. It was what all we were doing?
You did? Yeah? Right, I like deleted it. My sister
still my sister sometimes posts for me.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'll send her stuff and she'll so especially during that time,
I was like, hey, can you post this picture?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
With this caption, but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Going on it, like I don't want to look at it, right,
but I wanted to stay active, so I.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That feel that probably feels really nice.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was like really nice, and I really want to
I want to do it again because right now I'm
getting like overwhelmed with at all and the holidays are
coming and you know it's all too much. But but
you know between like the pressure of having to post
what you post becomes so well. But if as entertainers,
like I just kind of want to entertain, so I'm like,
maybe I'll just do that. But I do have a
few things that are close to my heart that I
(08:25):
do feel like I have a voice for that, I
have a passion for that. I want to share with
people and to use it. So am I not doing
my due diligence if I'm not using that platform right?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So tell us, I know you are passionate about a
couple of charities that you really you know, we're oftentimes
asked to, you know, speak on my half of something
or post about something, and sometimes, uh, you know that
can be We're involved to varying degrees, but I know
for you, a couple of them are really very close
(08:56):
to your heart and you actually do a lot of
work surrounding them, So tell us what those Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, that gets tricky too though, because it's like, I
have so many charities I love in a door and
want to bring attention to money and you know, all
the things too. But then you're like one of my
friends once said, well, you're diluting what you could be
driving everyone too, And I was like, oh, no, am
I bad by doing all these chearday.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like, no wonder we're all up at night, no one sleeps.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I'm like, did I choose the wrong charity? No?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But like I mean, I have things from an aquarium
on the board of in Connecticut to I'm actually going
to One of my favorites is operation shower. So I'm
going to be hosting a mother's Uh we like that.
It's it's from military wives. It's like a baby shower
they throw in all these different cities near a base.
They'll throw a baby shower for the military wives and
(09:45):
they'll get the strollers and car seats and diapers and
like all these great brands like support it. And it's
kind of I think it's an offshoot of the USO.
But it's not really the USO. It's sort of like
allowed in the places where USO is allowed. So I'm
gonna go host their big gala on this year. It's
in Saint Louis, so I'm gonna go do that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I love this. It's so perfect for you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And those women are so stoic.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
They're all pregnant or having had brand new babies because
they have to have had a baby or be pregnant
within like two years. And I mean they're holding these
babies or they're big and pregnant and they're by themselves
and their husbands are deployed or they're you know, spouse
or partner is gone, and it's like, yeah, oh my gosh,
Like I can't imagine anything harder than being pregnant and
being alone.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And they really like that community we I have. We
know a couple of family friends that are in the
Special Forces and things, and I know how important those
the community becomes. When your partner is away. It's like
and they often don't have any contact, you know, It's
just like they don't they just don't know until they
come back. It's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And I'll be standing there in tears as I'm giving
a speech or something or meeting them.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And I'm like, oh my gosh, this must be so hard.
And they're like, I'm good, and they're.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Like so stoic and so tough, and I'm like, but
you know, we always, we always thank people for their
service when it's when they're in uniform and when they're
in the military. So to thank the women and the
family and members that are kind of left behind that
are sacrificing a lot too, So you know, yeah, their
loved ones in harm's way and they're you know, so
that that one's a really great one. And then like
(11:19):
the one I hold really close to my heart is, well,
there's there's Youth Villages, which is what I played Wheel
of Fortune for, and they have a program called Lifeset,
which is for kids that age out of the foster system.
And then there's World Vision, which I adore. So I
go to Africa and visit. I sponsor three girls with
World Vision in Zambia, and I've taken the boys and
(11:39):
we've gone and we've put in a well, and we've
given them goats, and we've worked in their fields, and
we've seen the way they live and we see the
way the program works, and so I'm an ambassador for World
Vision and they have this amazing thing at the holidays
which you can all get prepared for. If you go
to Worldvision dot org, you'll find their catalog.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Their Christmas gift catalog.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And it's my favorite way to give, Like if it's
for the mailman or the teacher or just someone you
don't really know too, you can just be like I'm
going to give a chicken or a goat or last
year we donated bathrooms to schools and like, you know,
we put this money towards Like one of the things
that I realized last time I was in Zambia was
a lot of the things for our family have been
taken care of.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
A lot of the needs have been met, except the school.
It's not doing well.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So these kids are not learning so and one of
the problems is they don't have good bathrooms. And the
teachers don't want to work at a school it doesn't
have good bathrooms. So let's put in some good bath
you know, So that kind of thing, Like last year
it was like donating bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Sometimes it's like a whole nativity set of animals.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh, I love it. That's such a great that sounds terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And it's a great thing to do at Christmas time
and Forgiving Tuesday and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah. Well, as I said, you're a unicorn because you
have time to do all of these things. Like That's
the other thing I don't understand is you have so
many children, not so many children, but three boys it
seems like it, which is a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I feel like a.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Lot, and you work all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I reach children, three boys, three boys. That makes it
like seventeen children.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Like sorry, not because they definitely know they are not
clean enough their own stuff anywhere I can.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean, my I had, like what I what I
stopped doing to come here was like to what I
was cleaning the closet of one of them. And it's
taken me three days to go through the.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
All right, wait, let's talk about I've actually never talked
to you about Clarissa. I don't think ever. And so
I want to know, do you even remember what the
audition was like for that or how.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You I do do? It was pretty tedious?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, so I know I auditioned like three times and
at the same time I'm auditioning for Blossom for the role. Yeah,
I was auditioning for the role of six, so I
kind of like I went. I think each time I
went three times to each audition, and I think it
was like the third time I would always wear I
don't know if you did this, but when I was
when I got a callback for something, so callback and
(14:06):
like a second callback, so for the callback, I would
always wear the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, because I was like, that was good luck they
liked it. Whatever I did.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Danielle Offisher and I just talked about this, yea, yeah,
he's the same thing. Always wear the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And I had like a pink T shirt on and
these like acid washed overalls.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And turns out the producer really liked pink and blue,
so it was like pink and blue so like. But
apparently he watched the two auditions side by side and
my my, my strap fell off at the same point
and like I lifted it back up, like three different
places in the audition the strap fell off and I
lifted it back up. And it was years later that
he asked me, he goes, you planned that, didn't you.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
He thought I was like so much. He thought I
was like, well planned.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
The next level. Yeah, but at.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Twelve years old. He's like, she did that, look what
she did?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And I was like, no, I probably moved in the
same way or did some kind of gesture that made
it fall.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And the same right, the fabric was in the same Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, so I just kept falling in this same spot,
like you know what I.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Think about that, Scarlet, So you were twelve. My daughter,
Scarlet is thirteen, so this would mean that she had
already done this a year ago, which I find unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
My son's thirteen. I agree. I can't get him to
go to boy Scouts last night?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Like did you were you interested in acting? Like how
did did you say I want to do this? Or
like how wait? Because I remember you telling me you
didn't you you did a like a uh the bill
Jello right je commercial or and like a couple? So
you then you were super little though, right.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
At this point. So I my first audition was at
four years old, and I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's because, oh my god, do you remember the show
Romper Room, Yeah, of course, So I wanted name. I
don't know if I remember.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, it was miss Marianne or miss mary Anne was
like in the Magic Marriage. She would say kids' names
and She's like, I see Alisa, and I see blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I see yes, and I wanted her no.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
She never said my name, but I realized that she's
saying the names of the kids in the audience. So
I got to get on that show for her to
say my name. So that was where it started. Was
my little brilliant plan to get on And I never
got on Wromber Room, but our friend Kelly Martin did.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I just found this. She was on Wrober Room.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Tell us wait, but this just completely sets up your
whole career. This is like why that very thing that
you just said where you were like, well, if I
want to get to this, then I have to do that.
Like this is this This exemplifies how you're so able
to do so many things and how you produce and
direct and do it because you're able to see how
(16:41):
to get to where you want the path and.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Like path of least resistance, How can I get miss Marian.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
This really impressive, impressive thing is what I would.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean, I booked my first, third, and fifth auditions
and then I was just like known as like like
in second grade, I was known as the Rice Crispies girl.
Because I was in a race National Rice Crispy commercial
and I was in a Connecticut natural gas commercial. I
could still recite to this day. Yeah, yeah, I mean
it was yeah, like, yeah, anything I learned when I
(17:12):
was younger, I can recite in a minute, but I
can't recite like my I don't even know my kids
phone numbers, so.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, nobody, I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I know only my childhood friend's phone numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I know my old home phone number.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, for my house as a password sometimes, so.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would be that would be like, yeah, your password
is zero zero zero zero five five five two two
seven time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
But yeah, So that was like the start of it.
And I did a lot of odd jobs.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I lived in New York, so I did like I
was actually a regular on Saturday Night Live in nineteen
eighty six, where I would like pop in anytime they
need a little girl.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I was on soap operas here and there.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Did you ever do any Were you like an opera kid,
you know, when they had kids in the opera? Did
you ever do that? Or Broadway? No?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Because I couldn't sing, but all my siblings did.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And so we were friends with like Lacey Shavert and
her whole family and like all the kids that did,
like Eden Regal, who then went on to like all
all my children fame, and like the families that like
were in that world. We were part of that like
Broadway world a little bit, but not because I couldn't sing.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
My sisters could. But it was fun. One of my
sisters was in Tommy.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
One was in the Sound of Music at the Lincoln
Theater at Lincoln Center. You know, so I was doing theater,
but I was doing it downtown. I did non musical theater.
So I was like the youngest member of the Circle
Repertory Company, working with like Bill Hurt, William Hurt and
Oh my gosh, Lois Smith and Callista Flockhart and wow yeah,
(18:45):
and like Joe Mantello's first play, Yeah he directed me,
And so you know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Great Joe Mantello, he did he what he directed you
in your first play.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I not my first, but like my third. It was
a monologue on stage. This is what got me close
kind of so okay. So to go back to Clorista,
So they did not.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Want the producer did not want a blonde for Clarisa
refused to see blondes.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Such a deep thought.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I know, and we all know why they were like
no blondes. So I go, I'm doing a theater. I'm
doing a play at the time. Actually I had red
hair at the time because I had to be a
redhead for this play, so I did.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I was doing a monologue. We actually workshopped it.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
So it was written by Peter Hedges, who's written like
Danimrell Life and What's Heed and Gilbert Great and Huge,
So he was actually writing What's he Did and Gilbert
Great while we were doing the play.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But the first I was doing.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
This play with William Hurt and while I was doing that,
they were we were workshopping this other thing, and it
was me on a bicycle stationary bicycle. They like propped
up my bike and I was riding it and I
did this whole monologue on a bike. And that was
the workshop. Then they brought it to Broadway and we
did it. But he had at that point Peter Hedges
had written this whole long. It was like the first
one was like five minutes. The workshop, My part ended
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up being about it supposed to be thirty minutes, but
I so fast ended up being twenty minutes on stage and.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It was a monologue. So I'm on stage.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It's about a little girl who gets her period and
doesn't know what to do, so she's I think I
was like eleven, and so I think the person was
the It's the first time I probably ever played up,
or the only time I've ever played up.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, in age. So I was doing this play. I'm
on stage. I'm like talking on.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The phone to my friend. I'm kissing the pillow, I'm
jumping up and dancing. I am woman talking about how
I shoved a bunch of isssues up there because I
don't know what else to do.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
My mom's not home.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So it's like this really fun, great play and it
goes out with me singing I am Woman, jumping up
and down a couch, and then it go and I'm
on the cover of the playbill. Then I go off
and these two women get on and they're like in
a car and you find out that the redhead in
the in the play has a husband who has no arms,
no legs, is blind and death like basically like oh
my god, doesn't really have a lot of body parts.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And the other woman is like why is that? And
she finds out she was sexually abused by her father
on the day she got her period, started being sexually abuseable.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So, my god, so it becomes.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
This dark like it goes from like this fun, joyful
thing to like this dark place of this like journey
of this woman. This one woman's being abused and the
other woman can tell and she's like, well, this is
why I married my husband.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my god. Was this a workshop play? Like what
what happened?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It was a play on the in the players theater.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So when we went off stage, Ruthless came on with
Arabel Bundy and Britney Spears, right, So so small, small
downtown theater in downtown Manhattan. So in the in the
off Broadway. Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, So I did that.
And so while I'm doing that, this is the weirdest thing.
So I'm my agents are I didn't know this, but
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my agents are like pushing for me to.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Audition for Clarissa.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And Clarissa was monologues like the monologues delivered breaking the
fourth wall, which is what I was doing every night
on stage. And the producer, I guess took his I
think I think this is correct, took his animal, his
dog or whatever to a vet, and the vet had
a new uh rescue that he found the night before, and.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He said, oh, what'd you name it? And he said,
I named it Valerie, which was the name of my character.
And he said, well, why do you name it Valerie?
He goes, well, I went to see this play last
night and this little girl was really impressive. So I
named the dog Valerie. And he goes, oh, that's the
little girl.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
They keep trying to get to audition from my show way,
and so he.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Goes, should I get her? And the VET was like, yes,
please get her for your show. So he auditions me once,
auditions me twice, and still can't like wrap his head
around the fact that I'm blonde.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But he likes me. So third audition was like a
sit down chat.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't think I really read the lines. It was
more of a sit down chat. And he says to me, so,
do you like new kids on the block And I went, eh,
I hate them. And I went, oh, my god, this
guy works in the industry. He's probably I mean, look,
I'm like eleven or twelve, right, So I'm like that
was the worst. Like I did not control myself when
I when I gagged and like had the ick as
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the kid says, but I was like, he probably knows them,
He's probably one of their uncles.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That was the stupidest thing. I definitely didn't get this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Audition, like he's not going to hire me now, And
he goes, well, who do you like? And I said, well,
I like they might be giants and he was like
and I and like at school, I'm being endlessly teased
for my music choices. My war group, like Calista Flockhart
was dressing me and like funky East Village kind of stuff,
and everyone back in.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Preppy Long Island was like, what are you wearing? Why
is your hair red?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Why are you they might be giants? Producers like yeah,
like I want her, And so I got the job.
So and then I was like, ooh, do I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Six or do I like the best? This is like
the best example of how important it is to be
who you are, Like all actors, you know, especially young actors,
are trying to be somebody out there, trying to like
sort of compare themselves to other people and try to
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be like the waiting room. Yeah, I see this. I
want to be like that. I want to do and
really always it is about being an individual and being
exactly who you are, and if you're the right person
for the part, you're getting the job, you know, and
there are all sorts of other weird factors that we
can't control, but that is so ideal and.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's it really did teach me that lesson.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I mean growing up playing Clarissa, a character who
was a nonconformant, like a true nonconformist, like I'm being
styled and written like the writing was being done by
people that would go on to write write some of
the biggest shows on television. They you know, the Clarissa
writers went on to write Friends, to be the showrunners
of Friends the Office.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
One of them went wrote The Games.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Like Susanne Collins went and wrote the Hunger Games after
you know, he wrote a few episodes of Clarissa, but
she wasn't one of our staff writers. But you know,
so you're you're getting all this amazing writing. I also
have these style gurus that are like, I mean, this
is pre sex in the City and things like the
style was insane and people like really took to it.
Parents hated it, kids loved it. Like I have parents
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coming up to me going thanks a lot. I bought
my my daughter a fifty dollar pair of jeans and
she cut them and painted on them, and I was.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Now my fault, I'm a child, Control your kid? What
do you want to tell you?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, but it was really funny, you know, it was
a really fun show, and it really taught me that
I can be myself. And I you know, this is
like in middle school when like meat girl stuff is
just starting to happen.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, what a gift, right, because that period of life
my daughter's going through it right now, is so challenging
and there is just like no way to very little
that we can do as parents to sort of help
except to just love them and remind you that you're
doing that you'll get through this, et cetera. So what
(25:38):
a gift to be able to have that actual place
to go to express yourself and be you know, respected
for it and appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And well, and I'm filming in Orlando at Nickelodeon Studios
and I'm away from like my family.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I had to oh that was in you sad that
in Orlando, in.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Orlando at Universal Studios, Orlando, So Nicolo, that's where Nick
Loving Studios was headquartered at the time, and and so
we you know, I'm on one hand in this preppy
junior high where I don't fit in, and then on
the other hand, I'm in Orlando on a sound stage
where I'm number one on the call sheet, and if
(26:18):
I asked for pretzels, they get me pretzels, but nobody
cares what I'm wearing. I literally would take clothes from
the Electric guys and be like, can I have that shirt?
And they were like sure, and they'd give me like
these huge, baggy shirts and I wear them with leggings
and combat boots, and nobody made fun of me for
wearing like a big old boy's shirt, you know, Like these.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Guys were like three hundred pounds, and they'd be like,
here's your here's my shirt. I'm like, thank you. It
was like, oh gosh, what does he call it now?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
His pump pump fit, right, like the big pump fit,
kind of like working out stuff. And I'm like, let
me wear your clothes. Can I have your clothes? And
so it was like, you know, and they were really
all cool to me. They were like as long as
I was nice to them, they didn't care what music
I listened to or what I was wearing. If I
was nice to people, they wanted to hang out with me, right,
And I was like, oh my gosh, if I'm just
nice to people.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Again, Unicorn, You're the only person that would have that
response where I'm the center of attention. I'm doing this
whole thing, and I'm thinking, oh, I just have to
be nice to people, and I can express my like
this is you are like the exam the right example
of how to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well, those guys they protected me too, like that crew,
Like you know, it was a lot of guys, and
they were a little bit older than me. They were
all in like their early twenties, and so I had
crushes on all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But they took good.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Care of me, like yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
That whole Nickelodeon thing came out recently. This is gonna
be a little not salacious, but like when that Nickelodeon
thing came out recently about kind of the horrors that happened, Yeah,
on some shows at Nickelodeon. That was not my experience
because I was protected by my crew, like my guys. Yeah,
and I have pictures where, you know, they're all having
drinks around me, and I'm like in a bathing suit
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because I've been rolling around in the sprinklers at an
apartment complex and they're all drinking beers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But I'd be like, I want a beer. I want
a beer. I want a beer. At this point, I'm like,
sixteen seventeen, I want a beer. Give me a beer.
And they'd be like, no, we're not.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Giving you a beer because we'll get fired tomorrow'm I
and thank God for them, like, thank God for them.
I'm not letting me because I didn't really want to drink.
I just wanted to hang with the.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Cool sure that you wanted to like, yeah, be It was.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like, I just want to hold it. Can I just
hold it? Like it's disgusting, But I just want to
hold the beer because I just feel cool because I
want to hang with you guys. But they were like, no,
we don't want to get fired. Stop it. Let's go
roll in the sprinklers. We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm like, you know, there is something, And again I
think this is about your spirit from the inside out,
because Sabrito was very similar where I felt like I
felt they I felt very protected there as well, But
for it was very clear how much everybody really loved
you and looked after you. You know, where it felt
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like it was a family and where they were and
it wasn't. It just was very genuine, you know, and
I trust them all.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like there was times when I was gonna like there's
times when I had the flu and I had to
be my own evil twin on a volcano edge in
the middle of the tank and Paramount and I'm like,
if I climb up there and I pass out from
the heat because I'm puking so much. I was like,
Phil Perry, can you guys get behind me and catch
me if I fall? You know, when I trust these guys,
like catch me if I fall fifty feet?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, we don't know, like we got I mean, that's
like legit trust. Yeah, that is So did you ever
on Sabrina? Did you ever have any because at that
point you started directing episodes and did you have a
producing credit to on that in Sabrina?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
On Sabrina, yes, because we found the we found the
comic strip, we found the Archie comic.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Did you ever butt heads with people creatively? Like did
you ever have a thing? Were there?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And because I always think and people don't do this
I've learned, especially recently. People don't always do this, but
I always find it's my job as an actor. If
someone writes it, I'm delivering what they wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, Like and Onliss, I learned that I had to
make it work right.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, like I had.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I could not drift away from the script on Clarissa
and I, and if I did, I couldn't remember. I
couldn't get myself back on track if I veered off
for a word or two. So I had to memorize
it as written. And I always thought it's my job
to do that. It's not my job to rewrite it.
That's the writers. The writer's job is to write it.
It's my job to perform it. If it doesn't make sense, yeah,
I'll go and talk to them and be like, hey,
this isn't really lining up, and like, what do we
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need to do here? There was one episode you were
in would probably be the only time I can say, well,
there was one episode where I was stuck in my
own bad mood and it was so like, this was
the first time and actually one of ours. I hate
it because one of our directors from Clarissa was directing
and I wanted her to direct so bad, but I
was in a terrible mood and the episode came out
not great and she never got invited back, which I
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blame on myself because I couldn't figure out if I
was in a bad mood because the character was in
bad mood, Like I didn't know if art was imitating
life or life isn't Like, am I in a bad
mood and it's influencing.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
The show or shadowing on me? Like?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So that was one episode that I remember having a
tough time with.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then there was one, Yeah, what about the one
that I was in?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
The one that you were in was Florida. The Florida
one for sorry I say it with my New York accent,
everyone makes fun of me. The Florida Christmas episode where
uh Soley's character goes to Roxy goes to meet her mom.
Oh right, Angels was in it. I was directing it,
and we had it was a really for some reason,
that script just didn't work right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, I don't remember that. I very much remember that
episode sort of as in a general sense, and I
remember Kate was the mom. I also feel like I
had just gotten over some wicked flu or something, so
I was like not one hundred percent, but what did
so you felt like that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I remember it reading it and then rehearsing it and
being like, there's nothing great. This isn't like a Christmas
like oh, like, there's no like magical moment or beautiful
thing coming out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Very dull, and I couldn't figure out how to.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Judge it up as the director, so I kept trying
to work with the writers and then like the look
of it. And I don't know if you remember, but Carrie,
who was my assistant at the time, and all the carrollers.
I ended up having the carrollers like every time a
door open, they'd be like.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Oh yes, and they'd.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Be like like it was kind of written in there,
but like I think we added more to make it
more spicy and make it more a joke.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And we kept playing it around with that stuff. But
the very end, when she and her mom, I guess,
Sabrina makes the pond for the pool freeze so they
can ice skate, like some old memory to ice skate,
But nobody could figure out how this pond should look.
And it was literally as we're shooting it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Cindy, who was like set decorator, I'm like I need
you to get a push broom and push every snowflake
you can find around the edge, and I need a garland,
and I need all four carrollers in the.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Scene, and they all have to stand around the edge
so we know that it's a pool. Because right so.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Leigh and Kate had to wear roller blades, and I remember,
you know, I remember Ken and my mother Paula, the
other executive producer and Ken Cooker producer, both saying, you
can't do it like this.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You can't have the camera up high. I'm like, I
can't shoot them from below. That's like, that's my Christmas scene.
It's gonna be a big wide you know. I want
some scope here. I want to see the Christmas scene.
So we decorated the whole set.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
We made it look like a pool with all this
snowflake that we made like look like ice on the
edge with the garland, and then they're skating in front
of it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So I just cut their feet off. But we had
a high angle and I had the carollers stand in
almost a semicircle, so it looked like the edge of
a pool. And basically this and then we got the
end A Happy New Year, and I was like yes,
and I wanted it to fade to black, just like
an old like Carol Brunette show or something where it's
like all the lights go out, the spotlights on them,
and then it just goes dark. Oh and then that's
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what and then the Carollers then the light comes up
on the like I think it was like Muppet Show
or something that I took inspiration from, where it's like
you go from that scene and you pan left and
you see the carolers and like.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And a happy I totally remember that we need we
need to buy yes, and because like you know, we
all know that the Christmas episodes, like there is a
vibe that there has to be to them, and it's
like something that audience members are really like chill.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, And I was like, this is missing that. So
I was able to I was trying to explain it
to people though sometimes like and even Ken and my mom,
who usually understood what I was trying to say. I
was like, just watch, just watch it, like we don't
have time for this, you just have to shoot it.
I'm like, no, it's got.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To be right, like I don't have time.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes, But I was so happy because it actually worked
because you know, sometimes you do those things you're like,
but this was like, yeah, it worked, So I was
really helpy.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
This is a great segue to talk about the movie
that you have that's coming out. Yeah, so tell me
about Marry Little X. Miss I happened to know a
couple of people in this movie. I think you do,
and tell me, tell me how it came to you,
why you wanted to make it, tell me all the things.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, you remember Holly Hester, one of our brilliant writers
on Sabrina I Do.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
She sent us a script, she said, I have this
Christmas movie. We loved it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We sent it to Netflix. Netflix was like, we love it,
let's do it. It took a long time to put
on his feet, just rewrites and getting it right and
who are we going to cast and who's going to
direct it and all the little pieces coming together. Took
a really long time, but we have this wonderful movie.
Now we have this fantastic cast.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I literally I always do these little grids of like
my photos of like who I think the cast should be,
like a dream board, and this whole dream board came
to life, Like it was gosh, that's amazing, so insane.
So your buddy Alicia Silverstone came on.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yes, So I feel like I really I'm sort of
an EP because I.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Tell you because I called you to get to her.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, because you know, sometimes in this industry we have
an idea of someone. I was like, I know that
her agents might read it and go, eh, we're not
going to have her do a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But I figured if I called you talked to her.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Such a would testament to like we as actors, we
want to do good material. We have many reasons why
we want to do things, but good material is like
sort of the main purpose and it doesn't always get
to you right, So it doesn't make so much easier
if you can go directly to the person.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And I knew that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I knew her agents could easily pass on it if
she didn't even know about it. So I wanted her
to like know about it and read it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So she did.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
She loved it, she wanted to come on board. And
then funny enough, I've always wanted Oliver Hudson like I
used to. I don't know if you were ever at
some of those parties we used to go to when
he would show.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Up, Yeah, where everybody was like in love with him
because he was so handsome and everybody's like hi, Hi, Hi.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I would say the stupidest stuff, like my mouth would
become a jumble of like yeah, and I'd say something
like I need milk and he's like okay.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So I haven't seen him in like twenty years, and
I was so nervous. I'm like, oh my gosh, this
guy probably still remembers me as a babbling buffoon. He
sentenced together around him like I don't even get it.
Like he's really handsome, but like it's not but not like.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I mean, he has charisma, he has a very there's something.
He's an electraumatic person in a very specific way, which
a lot of people Harry styles has that for example,
that's like when I met Harry, I was like I did, yeah,
I could be my child. And I was like, oh goodness,
yeah you're I'm a feeling very like I.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Met Billy Idyl a few years ago and I was like,
holy crap, you are.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Sexy, Like right, what is that? You could be my
dad but you're sexy?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, So Oliver he just gave off that thing, and
so I was like really wanted him for this part.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
But I was also like, oh, it just huge, Like
what am I even gonna say to him?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
And like my hairdresser, I was like, I don't know
how to talk to Oliver and she's like, you'll figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm like, I hope. So funny.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
But yeah, So Oliver was amazing and we have a lot.
Oliver and I have a lot of friends in common
because a lot of people worked on his show Rules
of Engagement.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And oh right, right, right, a.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Lot of people in common. And what's wonderful is that
his son Wilder came on and played his son the movie, which.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Was really is that right?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh? I didn't so to see Oliver like be a
stage dad.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It made me like, how would I be with my
kids on sex? I've never really built that.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Wait, your kids have not been in Oh they've been around.
They've been around, they just haven't been in front of
the like.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
For like like a scene in Melissa Joey or like
I'm never well, Tucker was. Tucker was in a scene
of a movie I directed, but like one long scene
and that was it, right, you know, we shot that
scene and he was done so half a day or whatever.
But but him working with his son for like, you know,
I mean, we're there six weeks and he's oh wow,
trying to give his son notes and help him with
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the comedy and like, just come on, you know you
got this, Like don't be afraid and don't be like
really play with it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
What if he was like really mean and he was
like that's awful. Do it again.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Oh my god, so patient and so and he was
so proud of it. Was so cute to see it
on his dad face of like he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So sweet. And Jamila, Jamil, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So she is amazing. I have I was obsessed with
the Good Place and I just went I read this part.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I was like, oh, please let it be her? Please
can this be her? Like she would just be she
would kill this part, like she'd be so amazing. It's
supposed to be so. Alicia's character and her name's Kate
and Oliver's character there they are husband and wife, but
they're getting divorced and they're amicably divorcing. They have two
teenage kids and they've decided now is the time to
separate because mainly because Alicia's character wants to go off
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and have a career, and so she's kind of decided
she needs her own space and she's leaving this marriage
and uh, and then he brings to Christmas, he kind
of surprises the family that Jamila is the new girlfriend.
So he shows up with like this young, hot, like
sapy New York City slick, you.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Know, girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And so it becomes like the family having to hang
out in this small town in Vermont, and what happens
at the dinner and the gingerbread making contest, all these things,
and so Pearson Fote comes into it, who you might
know from his recent The Wrong Paris, and he's like,
got a billion movies coming out this year, right, we did.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
A movie together years ago that no one saw called
DM A you don't need to watch m d M
A m d M A nice And that is what
it is about. Go ahead, and I got to see this.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So Pearson is like a like the you know, the
jack of all trades from every Christmas movie, Like he's
the tree cutter guy, but he's also like the town
exotic dancer and the snowplow guy, like he does all
the things.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And so she uses him to try to make Oliver's
character jealous again. Like once she starts getting jealous, she
uses Pearson and and so they you know, the two
couples are kind of always fighting for attention and they go.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Sledding age love it all the things. So oh and
I'm in it too.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But yeah, are you're in it too?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Right? Yes? I play's best friend. I kind of yeah,
I'm like the best friend in town, his girst friend. Yes,
I get to be the best.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Friend, which is fun. Which was it was a great
it was funny role. It had a lot of you
know a lot of really funny lines. And I could
produce and be in it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yes, so you right, you produced it and you're in it,
but you did not direct it.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
No, I did not direct it. It was Steve Carr who did,
like Paul Blart, Mall Cop Cop and Daddy Daycare.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Right right, So like big comedies, big comedy.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So there's a lot of comedy in this movie, yes,
which is fun because I feel like Christmas movies are
missing comedy.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's all romance and sweet and I was just.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Gonna say, like, that's such an excellent combo a comedy,
And because I who doesn't love making a Christmas movie
and who doesn't love watching Christmas movie? I like both
of those things, and the comedic part is like a
home run.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I feel like those are the ones that we're not
getting now, and those are the ones that last. Like
the classic you know from our childhood, I won't you know,
go as far back as like you know, Miracle on
thirty fourth Street and it's a wonderful life classic.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But classics like Elf.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Vacation, you know, Christmas baka Home Alone, they all have
a comedic They're like comedy movies first and then they're
Christmas on the side.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So you know, I'm kind of into making movies like that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
So tell me before we go, what when does it air?
When does it premiere where? Or when? How?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
November twelfth, November twelve, it will air on Netflix and
you can watch it all holiday season long, many many many.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Times, many many many many times. This can become what
my love actually is, which I watch at the b
starting at the beginning of the season, and then continue
to watch it through till you know New.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Year's exactly exactly. It does have a little feel of love. Actually,
there's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I mean, I know that that's a lot of different
storylines telling different stories of love, but this one has
the two like kind of three, because it's like almost
like the two side relationships and then the marriage, right,
you know, so you kind of watch these different relationships
and how they change, and it's fun. And not only
does Wilder play the Sun, but this wonderful talented actress,
(43:02):
Emily plays the daughter and she brings in a guy
named Timothy plays her boyfriend, Nigel from England, who is
like a Harry Potter, like geeked out kind of guy.
And so she brings her boyfriend home to meet the parents.
And so you got the younger the younger version too.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
And what's going on this sequel? Obviously there's many.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
We have to keep it going, keep the train.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yes, I love you so dearly. I'm so happy that
we got to sort of see each other because when
I posted that photo of Jenny, Jenny Garth and I
had went to an event together and Melissa is like,
why do my friends get to hang out and I'm
not there? And then I thought we have to.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I know, I love it. I mean I've only met
Jenny once, but she is like my favorite person on Earth.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
That picture, you know, the picture of all of us
at nineties Con where we're laughing, Joria and Florida when
we had there's like a martini in it and French
fries and I look like I am losing my mind.
I was laughing so hard. That picture keeps coming up.
I have a shuffle on my laptop, but it only
uses that photo and then one other photo of my
(44:07):
friend Tom and I where we're in Italy, and I'm like, oh,
I like both of these things. But it's like, doesn't
shuffle anything else. So I see that photo of us
all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's some weird algorithm. But what's hilarious is like that's
like the first time I really met Jenny.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
When I've been friends with Brian Austin Green and I
worked with Jason Priestley and he's my neighbor here in Nashville,
and like, oh that's right, yes, yeah, so like the
nine to two and like I ran into Tory all
the time everywhere, But Jenny's the one I've never really met.
And I met her that and I was but she's
the one I want, like I think because I like
had the blonde hair like her.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, you guys have a similar a similar I kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Imagined myself like her, Like I wanted to be a
little bit more quiet than I was, Like I was
like the loud mouth, but I wanted to be more
quiet and like her, you know. And so to meet
her was like, oh my god, like my teenage self, right,
her and Christine Taylor as you were there for when
we were at Christine Tea.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh my gosh. Christine and I and are never never
crossed paths career where we thought we were going to
do this TV show together for years and then it
was like, oh no, that show's not going so and
you two will never see each other again.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Oh no, well, and that was at Comic Con. I
think it was that same one with David Lasher being
with Christine, and.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know, that was a different one because I we
what was the one for the first time. I've only
done it twice once for nineties Con. Once I did
it with Alicia and Clueless, and then the second time
was with you guys. But I think I wasn't there
with David and.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh were you only in Hartford? Did you only do
it in Harford?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yep, I only did Harford. And then I did the
Florida one with with you y yeah, oh no, dayton No,
remember it was Daytona Daytona.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, so maybe it was the Tampa day Tampa
was before. So Tampa I think is when I met
Christine and went out with David and I was like, she.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Was the sweetest. Also, what a lovely Yeah, she's like
a lovely, lovely let's put.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Together a girls group and just like start making a.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Girls I yes, help me in well.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I love you, thank you for having me, thanks for
getting me out of my podcast hiatus.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Exactly. I'm so proud to say I am the person
who's brought you out of hiding.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
You did, you did, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
All Right, everybody watched this movie, I'm going to like,
it's going to be amazing. Merry little X mess all right.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I love you, Love you girl,
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