2024 HOPE Global Forums, Fmr. White Marine Acquitted of Black Homeless Man, Clyburn & Trump Pardon

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We are here live in the twenty twenty four Operation

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Hope Global Hope Forums, and of course we'll be taking
a live feed of the beginning of the conference. It
started today and so we will go live there in
just a moment. Also, a big decision out of New York,
a jury found a white form a marine not guilty
of killing a black man on a subway. Will be

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joined by the family's attorney to discuss what took place
today in New York. Jay Z gets hit sexual assault
lawsuit he fires back, says the lawyer representing this woman
is trying to extort him. Also, South Carolina congress and
Jim Clyburn says that the President Biden chose to pardon

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Speaker 1 (04:12):
Today in New York, a jury acquitted former Marine Daniel
Penny of criminally negative homicide on the death of Jordan
Neely that took place on a New York City subway
last year. Penny also faced a more serious second degree
mansllor charge, but Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed that charge on
Friday at the request of prosecutors at the Jarars twice

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told the court they cannot come to a verdict on
the counts. After the guilty verdict was read, there was
applause in the courtroom. Neely's father, who was present for
the verdict, was escorted out of the courtroom after an
audible outburst of expertise journally. Now is Dante Mills, an
attorney representing Jordan Neely's family. Dante, glad to have you here.
Roland Martin unfiltered. I mean, this is obviously not the

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decision the Neely family wanted in this particular case. It
had in any ways of political and racial undertones where
you had many Maga folks who were supportive of Daniel Penny,
and then you've had others who said this is an
example of a white man killing a black man and

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getting away with murder of choking him for five and
a half minutes on a New York City subway.

Speaker 11 (05:28):
Roland, thanks for having me on, and it was important
for me to have this conversation with you.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
It may not be the best background where emotions a
lot going on today with the family, but I wanted
to have this.

Speaker 11 (05:38):
Conversation with you to talk to our people and let
us know that we have to be there for each other.
I think this is proof, and this is proof that
we can't rely on anyone else, right, we have.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
To step up for ourselves.

Speaker 11 (05:54):
Jordan was in a lot of pain, He had some
loneliness and issues that he was dealing with, and he
wasn't hurt in that moment on the train when he
came on asking for food, and he wasn't heard in
his courtroom where the jury said that Daniel Penny, who
choked him to death, was.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
Not responsible for it.

Speaker 11 (06:11):
And it should be noted that we're not saying if
Jordan came on making threats and Daniel Penny decided to act.

Speaker 9 (06:18):
We didn't question that.

Speaker 11 (06:19):
Where we questioned it is he choked him for over
six minutes, where after thirty seconds, this entire incident was over,
and after two minutes three minutes, people are coming saying,
let him go, right, you're gonna kill him.

Speaker 9 (06:32):
If it's over, I have his.

Speaker 11 (06:34):
Hands, you can let his neck go, and Daniel continue
to hold his neck until he had no life in
his body, and when he had no life in his body,
he continued to hold his neck for another fifty two seconds.
That's what we're saying he should be held responsible for
and It doesn't matter who you are, white, black, homeless,
have mental issues or dealing with mental trauma.

Speaker 9 (06:56):
No matter what it is and who you are, you
are valuable and you deserve to be heard in your
life matters.

Speaker 11 (07:02):
And that's what we're advocating for, and we expected from
the jury.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well on that particular point there. That's what so many
others said that you know, detaining him is one thing,
thirty forty five seconds, but for five and a half minutes,
that is a very very long time. And when you
say he did not, you know, get his just due here.

(07:31):
Clearly the family has to be devastated that their loved
one was killed as a result of this action and
Daniel Penny gets to walk free.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Devastating.

Speaker 11 (07:43):
I mean, it's it's a sadness, it's a heart it's
a disappointment in the system that we thought would come
through in this regard, but it didn't. But I'm telling
you right now, our challenge, we need a call to action,
our call of action. Our call to action is for
everyone out there to listen. Right when you see someone
that's hungry, give them something to eat. If you see

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someone cold, maybe a cold, a blanket back someone, are
they Okay, that's what we need to do for each other,
and that will prevent the situation from happening again.

Speaker 9 (08:14):
That's our call to action. We got to do something
with this hurt that we continue to.

Speaker 11 (08:17):
Feel over and over again, this disappointment that we feel
over and over again. My call to action to everyone
is to stand up and be there for each other
and make life a little bit easier.

Speaker 9 (08:26):
We all have problems, right but just because you do.

Speaker 11 (08:30):
Just because you may be homeless, or you may have
a mental health issue or a crisis that you go.

Speaker 9 (08:35):
Through, does not mean you don't have value.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
We need to see each.

Speaker 11 (08:38):
Other, we need to hear each other, we need to
be there for each other, and that's how we can
avoid these situations moving forward.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
One of these right wing radio hosts, Buck Sexton, put
out what I consider to be a shameful, despicable tweet.
He said, Daniel Penny not guilty and fantastic news, a
just verdict and a possible turning point for criminal justice
in New York City, he says, but vigilance needed in
the days ahead as the street mobs are unhappy, stay

(09:09):
frosty New Yorkers. These are people who literally have no
problem with street justice, and they applauded this, They said, oh,
this is the right decision. Things along those lines. You
have individuals like this who they want. They got no
problem of seeing someone being attacked because they say, well,

(09:32):
you know, this person was threatening people, causing a disturbance.
And so this sort of reminds me of Bernard gets
if you will, this vigilante action.

Speaker 11 (09:43):
Well, what it does is it shows there's this sense
of I'm more important than you. How dare you come
into my space and make me uncomfortable? How dare you
come into my space and raise your voice or cause
a scene that allows me to do whatever I want
because I'm more important than you?

Speaker 9 (10:00):
And I reject that. I don't care about that notion.
I don't think it's correct.

Speaker 11 (10:03):
I think we are all the same, and that's what
has to be shown, and I was hoping would be
shown with this verdict that Daniel Penny Jordan Neely are
the same.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
Because they are. But you get that sense that people
think they are better.

Speaker 11 (10:17):
So how dare someone interrupt their life even to come
in and start stating out, starting out saying I'm hungry.
That's the first thing Jordan said when he got on
that train and never once that Daniel Penny offer him anything.

Speaker 9 (10:29):
He came from behind him when.

Speaker 11 (10:31):
Jordan didn't touch anybody, put him in his choke hold
and choked him at he had no life in his body.
And now he gets to walk away from that in
a criminal sense. But we will hold him responsible on
a civil sense. I'm telling you we will because that.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
Just we can't let that happen.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So the family's definitely proceeding with a civil lawsuit.

Speaker 12 (10:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
We followed that civil lawsuit last week, not immediately. We
wanted the evidence to come out. We want to hear
what their defense was going to be. Maybe there was
a reason Daniel thought he had to choke him until
he died. Once we saw all of that evidence and
heard the people come in to court saying we told
you to let him go, we said let him go,
you're going to kill him, and he continued to choke
him anyway, that's when we founded that lawsuit. After all

(11:17):
that evidence came out and we're absolutely certain we saw
a jury struggle with manslaughter, which means that he knew.
Daniel Penny knew that he would kill Jordan if he continued.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
That choke o.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
We saw the jury struggle with that, they didn't know
what to do.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
They were home on that.

Speaker 11 (11:34):
That made it clear to us that in a civil case,
where it's a lower burden, we can get that victory.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
And we want that family to feel that, to feel.

Speaker 11 (11:43):
That they are listening to, that they are heard, and
that there's justice.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
At the end of this, because that's what they deserve.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
All right, Dante Miils, we surely appreciate you joining us
here on Rollandmartin Unfielter, thanks a lot.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Folks of Eric Garner and Jordan Neely's father spoke outside
of the courthouse after the Verdy. This is what they
had to say.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I missed myself.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Some didn't have to go through this.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I didn't have to go through this either.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
It hurts, really really hurts.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
What are we gonna do people? What's gonna happen to us?

Speaker 13 (12:27):
Now?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I had enough?

Speaker 12 (12:34):
Jis Denis read.

Speaker 9 (12:36):
He'll we stand once again in front of this injustice.

Speaker 14 (12:42):
I stood here ten years ago because they did not
give justice to my son with the chokeho.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I thought God to get.

Speaker 14 (12:51):
The anti chokehold built pass, which did passed.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
But it shouldn't only be for police officers.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
And should be for civilians. Also, no one deserved to
be choked today.

Speaker 14 (13:04):
And you know we're in that courtroom and people are cheering.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
For the verdict. They made the loudest noise. The judge
did nothing, but when.

Speaker 14 (13:17):
His father spoke out, they put him out the courtroom.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is that justice.

Speaker 15 (13:24):
Or what?

Speaker 14 (13:25):
We can't allow this to keep going on.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
We have to fight this system.

Speaker 14 (13:31):
That's what I had to do. I had to fight
to get the little justice that I got. I got
one police officer fires. There's more that need to be fired.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But I tell this family, do not give up, because
that's what they want you to do.

Speaker 14 (13:47):
They want to discourage you, just like they tried to
discourage me. But ten years later, I'm still fighting.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
The Manhattan Day's Office released this state men. They said,
as with every case, we follow the facts and the
evidence from beginning to end. A grand jury voted to indict,
and the office carefully presented this case to a trial jury.
Over the course of the trial, we introduce medical records, videos,
bodycam footage, and testimony from over thirty witnesses, including from

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the City's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. The jury
carefully deliberated for four days they requested read backs of
testimony and asked for video footage to rewatch, as well
as written definitions of the law. Their limthy deliberation and
the totality of the facts and the evidence underscored. While
this case was put in front of a jury of
mister Penny's peers, the jury has now spoken. At the

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Manhattan DA's office, we deeply respect the jury process and
we respect their verdict. Unfortunately, over the duration of this trial,
talented career prosecutors and their family members were besieged with
hate and threats on social media, by phone, and over email.
Simply put, this is unacceptable and everyone, no matter your
opinion on this case, should condemn it. These are prosecutors
who have dedicated that decade to their lives to public

(15:01):
service into the safety of Manhattan. I'm grateful to them,
as well as to the NYPD for their hard work
and commitment on not only this matter, but for all
they do on behalf of New Yorkers. I also want
to thank Judge Wiley for presiding over this case. Finally,
I want to thank members of the jury who took
time out of their lives to diligently evaluate the evidence

(15:21):
Jordan's father, Andre Zachary folding civil lawsuit as we said,
against Penny for negligent and contact assault battery that led
to Neelie's death. And so we will be following this
up for to see exactly what happens next. Folks gotta
go to a break. We'll be right back right here
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I have been trying since I was since I was
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the in the music industry.

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Speaker 1 (18:43):
All right, folks, bringing my pound. Now that doctor Ama
Congo de Binga Senior Professorial Electric School of International Service,
American University, doctor Nola Haynes, Georgetown University School of Foreign Service,
joining us out of DC, Cameron Trimble's CEO hip politics
media from a white house senior to buy to let
have all three of you here. I'm a Congo. We
look at this particular trial here, as I said to

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the attorney, you had political sides here. You had frankly
white maga folks who were backing Daniel Penny. You saw
even Phil Mickelson, the golfer, post a comment thanking Daniel
Penney for his actions. This is a man who choked
this homeless black man for five and a half minutes,

(19:28):
and these people are concerning him to be some type
of happy warrior who defended people when it didn't have
to last that long.

Speaker 19 (19:40):
And what I would say to that, really, Roland is
welcome back to the Trump era. Right where we just
saw we just see depravity and ignorance and no shame
or regard for human life that doesn't look like them.
I'm very interesting to see what this man is going
to do now that he said free. I noticed civil
charges are coming, but I mean it's the Fox commentator,

(20:02):
you know, other types of jobs, and they're like the
fact that to hear Araic Garner's mother talking about the
fact that, and the attorney mentioned it as well.

Speaker 12 (20:10):
The bursting the applause.

Speaker 19 (20:12):
I mean, I think any one of us in this
room right now, even if we had somebody in our
family who was on trial for something like this, we
would have enough dignity to know that on the other
side is a life loss of another family member and
not to burst out into cheers and applause and to
celebrate it like that. The aspect of like basic human
dignity and kindness is gone, and this is being celebrated

(20:34):
in places. I mean, I'm seeing everybody talk about that
United Healthcare person who was shot and how, oh my gosh,
I can't believe people are celebrating this.

Speaker 12 (20:42):
We are used to that in our community. We're used to.

Speaker 19 (20:45):
Seeing people get off, used to seeing people get you know,
book deals and TV deals and people celebrating them in
every way, shape or form. And we're going to see
more of this now that we got this, This this
maga quote unquote leadership in our country. I'm so glad
that you're here, what you're doing. I'm so glad the
attorney came on to give voice to this family. And
we need and like Eric Garner's mom said, what are
we going to do? Because just because they don't have dignity,

(21:07):
just because they don't have basic respect for human decency,
it doesn't mean that we can't demand it.

Speaker 12 (21:11):
And so we have to continue to uplift our stories
and uplift.

Speaker 19 (21:14):
Our communities because they're going to not only refuse to
do it, but they're going to be callous and ignorant,
disrespectful when they do choose to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And really, what this does Noah again, you have these
people who are embolden and they believe that this vigilante action,
this is what should be happening. And don't be surprised
if we see more of this.

Speaker 10 (21:39):
We're definitely going to see more of this. Roland Unfortunately,
earlier today I watched his father's words and he just
said how hurt he was, over and over and you
just heard it. You just heard it in his voice
and his spirit. And here we are again, and here
we are again in more of a hostile situation than
we were in twenties sixteen. It's very clear to me

(22:01):
that these people want civil war. It is very clear
to me at this point. I was hesitant to go
there before, I said that I needed more evidence, but
I think we're at that point where black people we
just want to live our lives. We genuinely just want
to live our lives. But we keep over and over
and over, the scab just keeps getting picked picked away,

(22:23):
pick picked away, picked away, and trying to nudge us
into a position that none of us want to be in.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
But these people want to fight, they want war.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Cameron, Again, when you have the lives of Donald Trump
and Maga, they approve of this and listen, whether it's
a black homeless man, whether it's migrants, their attitude is,
guess what, you can attack them with impunity, and they
should not be prosecuted as a result.

Speaker 20 (22:55):
Rolland this has been one of the saddest cases. And
in just another what I hope is not to come
in a trumpet presidency, that things like this can uh
kind of going under the radar. I'm glad we're putting
a huge light on this, but the the online vitriol

(23:17):
around this and the polarization around this, around this.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Incident is actually kind of sickening.

Speaker 20 (23:24):
H' We've been uh tracking and tracking this case online
for for a while, and I think the real hope
here is that justice is ultimately served. But it was
just kind of heart riching to be able to see
the parents' reactions and to be able to see he
Gartner's mother there as well.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well. Again, I just firmly believe that we're going to
see more of this, and it's going to be happening
over and over and over again. So black people prepare
for a difficult four years. I'm telling you right now,
prepare for a difficult four years. I cannot overestimate this
and I know I'm a congolist people who are saying, well, listen,

(24:10):
I'm not a crazy and deranged homeless man attacking people.
But I'm telling you right now, Donald Trump, who is
a massive liar, has no problem at all approving of
these things. And I'm telling you these people his supporters,
they have no problem with these type of attacks. We

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had better be on guard over the next four years,
and you could forget any type of assistance from a
Trump advanced Department of Justice.

Speaker 19 (24:41):
Look ivan into Daryl Jones today at Luther Kent Alex
Haley Memorial celebration, and this is a brother with the
Transformative Justice Coalition. He told me tomorrow he's going to
Georgia to support the family of amad are Very because
they're bringing that original attorney up who let those killers
and those murderer escape.

Speaker 12 (24:59):
And her trial is getting ready to start.

Speaker 19 (25:01):
So when you talk about it's just oh, that guy
was just a homeless guy, this could happen to anybody
in Mona, our wady just running through the neighborhood. And
so we can go down case after case after case,
and of course with Eric Garner, whose mom was there,
and we have to be mindful of them being emboldened. Look,
you got a man who over the weekend, Trump reminded
people he's going to part of insurrectionists. We also have
to be mindful rolling that with this mass deportation suite

(25:23):
that they're going to Texas governors, they're going to be
deputizing regular people to go out and get folks. And again,
like I said two weeks ago on your show, if
they try to round up some Haitians, all of us
are hatient as far as they're concerned. So when you
talk about getting ready, we got to get ready physically, spiritually, mentally, legally,
financially for what's coming because they are not playing. And
as Nola said, some people just weren't sure or someone

(25:45):
and so forth. Dr Miyanelews said, people show you we
are believe them. If we don't believe it now, we
have to believe now and get prepared. But what's going
to be too late. Nobody's coming for us but us.
We got to handle ourselves.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Absolutely. And again Nolah, I can't overstate this. And when
I say you can forget a Department of Justice, it's
not going to happen. Uh. And you have law enforcement,
they are going to be very much you know, pro Maga,
pro Trump. And look, if you think they're going to

(26:23):
be sitting caring about us, that ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
Absolutely, And they learned the first time around. So those
good civil servants who were protecting behind the lines, they've
learned this time. Just today, I was having a conversation
with a lot of people about the list, the running
list that that Department Offense. The Department's Secretary Defense has

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Cash Fatel, the future.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Director at FBI.

Speaker 10 (26:52):
As in all of these lists have people who were
just simply working in d I and DEI trying to
increase diversity, trying to to equalize the system, to have
more seats at the table.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
And they are going to target these people.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
They are going to drain them of resources through the
court system just for equality.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
So you're absolutely you're right, Roland.

Speaker 10 (27:16):
I mean, you know, like I said, they learned this time.
So they are going to tweeze out any weeds that
they see are impediments. And unfortunately, you know, some of
those weeds look like everybody here tonight, right, we are
a threat to a lot of these folks. And the

(27:36):
problem is when black folks, right now that is not
an easy thing for us to contend with.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
We just want to live our lives. We're going to
keep saying that over and over.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
We don't have any hostility or any angst against anyone,
but people keep coming for us.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
So we have to we have to ask ourselves what
are we willing to do?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Absolutely absolute ed Cameron, and we we say, ain't nobody
coming for us but us to rescue us. That's going
to be the case. And again this nation has decided
that this type of thug vigilanteism, they're fine with it.
They're good with it. And again we saw what happened

(28:20):
to Bernardo Getz with the shooting in the nineteen eighties.
This is very reminiscent. And I'm telling you, folks should
brace themselves for more stories like this.

Speaker 20 (28:31):
Yes, and I really the thing that gives me pause
in the Americans and folks should really be concerned with
is what Trump may look to undo and unwind through
executive order. In twenty twenty two, President Bryden signed what
was then a historic executive order to limit, at least

(28:52):
at the federal level, no choking ban on the no
knock warrants, even banning the transfer of military equipment to
local police departments. As we've seen over the last twenty
or thirty years, our police departments become more and more militarized.
And it makes me fearful that if, if, if that's
something Trump undoes, as he said he wants to give

(29:14):
police full immunity and things of that nature. If even
at the federal level, we can't show an example of
chokeholds being illegal and over kind of overstepping the boundary
and know not warrant some of these different things as
you mentioned, we won't be able to seek real justice
in what these next four years or hopefully only four

(29:35):
years of Department and justice looks like. Because how can
we expect our citizens to do something that even at
a federal level or police are deeming or potentially could
deem okay, because that those choke holds can still happen
at a local and a state and a local level.
But I'm fearful that they may even undo that even
at the federal level.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
WELK, So one second week, I'm back. We're gonna go
live right down. I just take a live look at
the room here of the Global Hope Forms. This evening
program is about to get underway, and so we are
carrying that on a separate livestream on the Blackstar Network.
We're also going to be of course dipping in to
carry some of that on the show. And so that's

(30:18):
one of the things that we are looking at. And
so we come back, we're we're also going to be
doing talking about police capturing the man who they believe
shot and kill a healthcare executive in New York City. Also,
we'll be talking about Connresston Jim Clyburn saying that he
would support President Biden if he decided to part and

(30:41):
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You know.

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When I finally got signed to the Motown record label in.

Speaker 23 (32:08):
Two thousand and three, I was thirty four thirty five
years old, and.

Speaker 15 (32:13):
Up until that time, I had been trying to get
record deals the traditional way. You know, you record your demo,
You record your music, and you send it, you know,
to the record labels, or maybe somebody a friend of
a friend knows somebody that works for you know, the
record label, and really chemistry was that was my last
ditch effort at being in the music business.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
How long have you been trying.

Speaker 17 (32:36):
a teenager.

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Wow, and and and you know, and I'm grateful that
it didn't.

Speaker 15 (32:44):
I'm grateful that it happened when it happened, because I
wasn't prepared, you know, as a teenager to embrace all
that comes with a career in the in the music industry.

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(34:45):
able to do that. So now we got a pack
show for you today as the kickoff, and so we're.

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Going to get this show on the road.

Speaker 22 (34:53):
And as you know, the theme of this year is
the future, and nothing symbolizes that more than technolog logy
and artificial intelligence.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
So to open our conversation on.

Speaker 22 (35:06):
The future in AI, we have some of the great
leaders in the world that are going to be with
you and with us next and so I'm so excited
to introduce them. And so first I want to bring
up Angel Cabrera, who's the president of the Georgia Institute
of Technology. Come on out, Angel, Give Angel rout of applause.

(35:28):
He's here, He's here, Trust me, he's here. That's give
him a round of applause. We have Sarah Friars, the
chief financial officer for open AI.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Give her a round of applause.

Speaker 22 (35:43):
We have Cheryl Gowing, executive vice president their globe brand
Strategy and Innovation.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Give her a round of applause.

Speaker 22 (35:51):
And we also have the Honorable Robert Silvers, who's Undersecretary
of the United States Department of Homeland Security and chair
in the chair of the UN Cyber Safety Review Board.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Give them round of applause.

Speaker 22 (36:03):
Gave a great presentation at our board meeting today. In last,
but not least, we have our moderators, Devin Banerjee, who's
the senior managing editor and hand them Growth or head.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Of News Growth and LinkedIn.

Speaker 22 (36:16):
Give this panel and this group a round of applau
Over to you, Devin, Thank you so much.

Speaker 25 (36:24):
Lence, congratulations to you and Kevin and John and the
whole Operation Hope team on ten years of this wonderful forum.
It's so good to be back with a beautiful new venue,
and I hope all of you have enjoyed today's session
so far, and there's a lot more to come. And
as Lance said, the theme of this year's Global Forum

(36:45):
is the future, and there is no better topic to
harness that theme than the discussion we're about to have
for the next thirty to forty minutes. Let me introduce
our panelist once more in a little bit more details,
so you get a sense of the depth and breath
of experience and expertise we have with us today. To

(37:06):
my far right is on Hell Cabrera, president of Georgia Tech.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
A lot of supporters.

Speaker 25 (37:14):
President Cabrera has.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
A home court advantage here and.

Speaker 25 (37:18):
He became president of this legendary institution three months before
the global pandemic kicked off and guided that institution through
the pandemic to emerge stronger.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Than so folks. This is the evening session of the
Global Hope Form. Again, we have a secondary stream going,
so you can actually go to the Black Store Network,
our YouTube channel to actually see that as well. Let's
talk about authorities at Pennsylvania arresting the man they say

(37:49):
is a strong person of interest in the shooting death
of a United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, which took place
in midtown Manhattan last week. At a news conference today,
police identify the person of interest as twenty six year
old Luigi Manngioni. He was spotted at the McDonald's Inn Altoona, Pennsylvania,

(38:10):
was taken into custody. They say found in his possession
was the ghost gun and suppressor that was consistent with
the weapon that was used to kill Thompson. He also
had a fake new jersey ID and matching the one
they believed to have been used at a Manhattan hotel. Also,
he was in possession of what they call a handwritten

(38:31):
document that was a manifesto complaining about the healthcare system. This,
of course, has generated extreme interest NOLA over the last
week because a lot of people have been commenting about healthcare,
commenting about costs being denied. I saw one social video

(38:54):
where they said, all of a sudden, a number of
people in the last two or three days started having
their health care expenses approved.

Speaker 22 (39:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
This is sent sent shockwaves throughout the health care industry.

Speaker 23 (39:07):
Uh and uh.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
And of course you also had uh what the Welbe
hospital that said they were not going to be paying
for anesthesia past a certain momp of hours they had
to come back and repeal that decision.

Speaker 23 (39:18):
UH.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
This has really caused a lot a lot of conversation
about healthcare cost being denied benefits.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
UH.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
And a lot of these healthcare companies are being put
on notice in these executives are scared calling security firms
left and right as a result of UH, this murder.

Speaker 10 (39:43):
Absolutely, we're going to start seeing more CEOs, more folks
with their personal security. It's going to start looking like
countries that do not resemble the United States.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
But you know that here we are.

Speaker 10 (39:56):
But this goes back also to the first story of
the evening, the pennycase. Vigilanteism, like this is a thing.
This is this is a thing where people are not
seeing justice in traditional places where justice is supposed to
be dolled out, doled out, and they are taking matters
into their own hands. And another interesting part of this

(40:17):
story is earlier this evening when we got the biographic
information about the person who may or may not have
shot the CEO.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
So this story is unfolding. It's interesting, but I think.

Speaker 10 (40:32):
This through thread of people resorting to violence as a
means of justice. This is something that we really have
to keep an eye on and It's not just healthcare
CEOs out there that are going to be getting private security.
It's going to be all of them out there, especially
especially as this new Trump cabinet that's built on, you know,

(40:56):
on top of one billionaire after the other after the
other after the other, and people start realizing what they
bought they.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Want to return. They're not going to like that.

Speaker 10 (41:04):
That's not going to sit well with a lot of Americans.
So right now, the way justice is looking in this country,
people taking justice into their own hands.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
That is definitely something.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
Domestically that I know that agencies like the FBI are
paying attention to. But what's going to happen to the
FBI under different leadership, We don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know, Cameron, this is first of all, I don't
understand at all people on social media gloating about the
murder of this ceo. You can be angry with healthcare
companies and decisions that they make and not gloat about
a murder. So I don't quite understand that. But what

(41:47):
it has done is forced a lot of people to
confront the reality of what's happening in this country. You
hear these other folks tout how we have the best
healthcare system in the world, when actually we don't. We
have a system that is driven by insurance companies and

(42:08):
it is a for profit system. That's a whole separate
thing than someone plotting and planning to kill an executive.
And so this should cause a significan concern to people
in this country in different professions to have people who
are targeting individuals who they simply disagree with, whether it's

(42:32):
company policy of things along those lines, and so that
cannot be overlooked and overshadowed.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Roland, No, it can't.

Speaker 20 (42:43):
We at no point should we be applauding the loss
of life. I mean, personally, I'm even against the death company.
I'd rather have people just be in jail if that
punishment is there. But as you've seen, and I think
you pointed out a little bit in the opening, there
has really been a new surge of almost TikTok and
Instagram social media trends around people sharing their horror stories

(43:06):
with the healthcare system, United Healthcare specifically talking about the
different things that they were claimed and denied, and it's
tapping into that that anger. But what we can't I mean,
this man, if it is Luigi or whoever it is
does need to be brought to justice, and it needs
to be very public, uh justice through our through the

(43:27):
our flaw justice system. But it needs to people need
to see that there is a consequence here because there's
a lot of big industries that people don't like. I
mean everything from uh, whether it be car sales, energy companies,
or and the likes of healthcare and so forth. It
cannot be open season on executives because where there's that,
that is a slippery slope that we do not want

(43:48):
to go down.

Speaker 23 (43:50):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (43:50):
There there there are other forms of recourse to to
fight against if you feel you've been unjustly done. And
and and this is not as me kind of caping
for healthcare system or or our healthcare industry or some
of these exorbitant prices people have to pay. But we
do have to ride that fine line of where people
are able to disagree, people are able to express their disagreement.

(44:15):
But it cannot be open season on executives because then
this this, this turns into a much scarier place. And
then I get our people, uh and folks, who how
does that wrath come down from police and law enforcement
if they now aggressively push back in this protection or
so forth.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
So we've got to make sure that this this, this
this murderer is brought to justice.

Speaker 20 (44:39):
Uh, and people have to see it, understand it, and
see that it was a fair and clear trial, but
that there were consequences for.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
For this action.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I'm a congo.

Speaker 19 (44:52):
Well, look, I'm not surprised at the online comments. You
know why because remember just four years ago we had
the George Floyd Challenge where people were recreating George Floyd's
murder and you know, from everything from the yearning and
the calling out for the mom and posting it on
their pages. And that was when I really started to
see how the prayse people were becoming online. And so

(45:15):
I expect there to be more of this. And I'm
sitting here reminding people this guy was you know, was
a wife, had a wife and two children. So yeah,
we need to work on the commun humanity, whether we're
talking about our first case with Jordan, whether we're talking
about this, whether we're talking about you know, George Floyd.
Another thing we have to be mindful of, Roland is
that from what they're showing right now, it seems like

(45:36):
this gun was made from a three D printer. That's
what they're showing at the moment, and if that's the case,
I mean, that's opening up a whole new door. So
anybody could be targeted by anyone who has this type
of capability. And so we're having conversations about gun violence here,
we're having conversations about social media depravity, and we're having
conversations about their healthcare industry.

Speaker 12 (45:56):
And the fact of the matter is that we have
a president.

Speaker 19 (45:58):
Who's coming in and embrace violence and also somebody who's
talking about ending Obamacare, which he claimed that he saved.
And as he said that, Christian Walkay got concepts of
a plan. My point is that there's going to be
more problems coming for the healthcare industry, which is going
to lead to more frustration, which might lead towards more retaliation.

Speaker 12 (46:15):
And this is something we got to get a fixed
on right now before it's too late.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
All right, folks, hold type one second. We're gonna go
to a break, But first we're going to go back
into the main evening session at the Global Hope Form
where they're having a conversation about AI. And when we
come back, we're going to talk about more news of
the day right here on rolland on Filter and the
Blackstar Network.

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And three, I was thirty four to thirty five years old,
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Until that time, I had been trying to get record
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a friend knows somebody that works for you know, the
record label. And really chemistry was that was my last

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a teenager, and and and you know, and I'm grateful
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because I wasn't prepared, you know, as a teenager to
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It's very exciting understructory silver. As I mentioned, your remit
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the department prioritize those Where is where does AI safety
fit in and how has that changed over the past twelve, eighteen,
twenty four months.

Speaker 27 (50:28):
It fits in right at the top because one it's
very important in its own right, and two the other
things we talked about, counter terrorism and the board. You know,
there are there's established architectures that we've developed over years
or decades. AI safety and security is a is a
newer field and it's been really important for us to

(50:49):
focus in not just as a department of the government,
but together with industry stakeholders and civil society groups that
have an interest in this. But people all always expect
that I'm going to come out very doom and gloom
about all the risks. And there are risks, and they're
real and they have to be addressed head on. But listen,
this technology is going to cure cancer. It's going to

(51:11):
level up people's economic opportunities. I mean, today, I'll give
you an example of how we're using it as a customer.
There is an epidemic of fentanyl in this country. It
is killing tens and tens of thousands of Americans every year,
white and black, rural and urban, rich and poor, and
it is really easy to conceal. You know, a few

(51:33):
grains of it, like assault shaker's worth, can kill a person.
We have deployed started using at the border AI tools.
And here's a story that happened recently. A car rolled
up at the Tijuana to San Diego border crossing to
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an AI tool up in action. It recognized the car,

(51:58):
It recognized an anomaly of that car prior activity that
we had observed and it told in one point four seconds,
it returned an indicator to our border agent, send that
for further look.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
We sent it.

Speaker 27 (52:12):
He sent it to secondary inspection fifty kilos okay. So
this is going to that is one micro micro example,
and we are using it. It is going to make
the American people safer in that late and one hundred
others just in the next couple of years. So it
is a huge priority for us, and we've established to

(52:35):
make sure that it's deployed safely and securely, because you
don't want to have accidents, particularly as AI technology is
used in coordinator operations for the power grid, rare traffic control.
You want to make sure that that's done in a
safe and secure way. What we've done is we've convened
leading stakeholders together with our department to find the right

(52:56):
approaches to do that. And in addition to the government
representative of our members of that advisory board included Sam Altman,
the CEO of Open AI, people like Satiandadella and Sudharpy Chip.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
But then critically, we also had civil rights.

Speaker 27 (53:09):
Leaders, We had mayors and governors, and we have the
corporate end users of AI technology so that everybody was
around the same table saying what do we all need
to do because we all have roles and responsibilities here
to make sure that we can harness all these incredible
benefits and reduce risk. And I think we're doing the

(53:30):
right steps when it comes to that, it seems like.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
This hard folks. We are here again at we're in
Atlanta at the tenth Annual Global Forms and so we
have a separate live stream of that conversation with opening
session discussing of course AI and so let's continue our

(53:53):
show here, folks. There was a lawsuit that was filed
against p Ditty. Now he has been added to that
by Houston attorney Tony Busby alleging a sexual assault with
thirteen year old two in the year two thousand. Now
jay Z, of course, is firing back at the attorney,

(54:13):
saying that he is trying to be extorted. He released
a statement that was straightforward in hard core. He said,
my lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter
from a lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had calculated
was the nature of these allegations and the public scrutiny

(54:35):
that make me want to settle no sir, it had
the opposite effect. It maye me want to expose you
for the fraud you are in a very public fashion.
So no, I will not give you one red penny.
These allegations are so heinous in nature that I employ
you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one.
Whomever would commit such a crime against the minors should
be locked away, which you not agreed. These alleged victims

(54:57):
will deserve real justice if that were the case. This lawyer,
who I have done a bit of research on, seems
to have a pattern of these type of theatrics. I
have no idea how you have come to be such
a deplorable human human mister Busby, but I promise you
I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more
than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to
be a marine. Marines are known for their valor. You

(55:19):
have neither honor nor dignity. My only heartbreak is for
my family. My wife and I will have to set
our children down, one of whom was at the age
where her friends will surely see the press and ask
questions about the nature of these claims and explain the
cruelty in greed of people. I more yet another loss
of innocence. Children should not have to endure such at
their young age. It is unfair they have to try

(55:41):
to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy families
in human spirit. My heart and support goes out to
true victims in the world who have to watch how
their life story is dressed in costume or profitability by
this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. You have made
a terrible error in judgment thinking that all celebrities are
the same. I'm not from your world. I'm a young

(56:02):
man who made it out of the Project Project of Brooklyn.
We don't play these type of games. We have very
strict codes and honor. We protect children. You seem to
exploit people for personal gain. Only your network of conspiracy
theorists fake physics will believe the idiotic claims you have
levied against me that if not for the seriousness surrounding harm,
the kids will be laughable. I look forward to showing

(56:23):
you just how different I am. That right there quite
a strong statement Cameron from jay Z. Again. The initial
lawsuit was filed against Diddy, jay Z was added to it.
He filed a claim against busby and now has gone
public your thoughts.

Speaker 20 (56:45):
I will say this, jay Z is very clear on
where he stands, he and his team. Usually when you
see these types of letters, or the now letters, they're
a little more muted. Jay Z that might have been
one of the strongest, most forceful statements in response to
a lawsuit.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
There we are going to get the facts.

Speaker 20 (57:07):
And we I mean jay Z has been a kind
of pillar in the hip hop hip hop community for
more than twenty plus years. Nothing like this has ever
been attached to his name before. But it does seem
that with this trial of Diddys and there's all this

(57:29):
bit different speculation on who may have known, known what.
This may be a discovery of facts. But if j Z,
I'm sure before writing something so forceful in putting it
out publicly knowing he's going to be held attest to
that when that does, if this does even ever make
it to court or get dismissed, I'm just hoping. I

(57:49):
think that narrative of where he talks about how in
this day and age, some of those lawsuits or accusations
can come against people and now he has to explain
it to his family, children and so forth. So I'm
just hoping, I know, kind of personally that this is
true and that and and that we can believe jay Z, uh,

(58:12):
just for so much he's done for both hip hop
and the culture in the community. And if it is
and if jay Z does is proven and proven right
in the court of law public opinion. I think this
also is a huge damper on Tony Busby, who has
kind of gained some national prominence over these last few
years by trying to do these big class action lawsuits

(58:32):
and so forth.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
On Congo. This was a statement, uh that jay Z
wrote on his iPhone. It did not come through his lawyer.

Speaker 28 (58:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
And this came directly from him. Uh and so uh
and he makes it clear not one red penny, you
don't know who I am. Talk about strict code.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
This is gonna be a fierce legal battle between Tony
Busby and jay Z and his lawyer.

Speaker 12 (59:01):
Look, you know, Roland, I've a doctorate on jay Z.

Speaker 19 (59:06):
I've been teaching a class on jay Z for about
five years now at American University.

Speaker 12 (59:11):
There's a lot I've learned about this brother.

Speaker 19 (59:12):
And as Cameron's as Cameron was saying, this type of
story is not something that really represents a lot of
things that have been said about jay Z over the years.
Now people did talk about like jay Z and Foxy Brown,
and she was younger people throughout that, and he is somebody,
you know, through the foundation, through a lot of the
community works, has definitely been seen as somebody who was

(59:34):
a protector of children, somebody who values children. So this
investigation needs to go out fully. One of the challenges
I see out there is that people are already going
to play the already playing the guilty by association game
because jay Z is somebody who's been involved in projects
with R Kelly and Diddy as well as Harvey Weinstein,

(59:54):
but so many other people in the industry have so
people are throwing out this like attracts like and I
think that's not fair.

Speaker 12 (01:00:00):
We need a full investigation.

Speaker 19 (01:00:01):
And all of us in here on this show tonight
want to be protectors of black kids and black girls
and just in general. And so nobody's see has given
this man a pass. A full investigation needs to be done.
But I will say, after studying him for so long,
the fact that he would issue this statement personally himself,
this means that this is something that he holds very

(01:00:22):
dear because oftentimes he has spoken through his lawyers, even
as recently, remember what Piers Morgan and Jaguar right, just
like last month or a month or two ago, had
the lawyers respond, And so I think that this is
something he's going to fight tooth and nail, and all
the facts need to come out. And it is very
unfortunate if there's any type of truth, and even and
if there's not truth, it's also unfortunate that's almost named

(01:00:44):
to be dragged through the mud for something that they
didn't do. But like Cameron was saying, there's this is
something that's not been a history with jay Z that
a lot of people have talked about in the industry,
though they've talked a lot about some of these other guys,
including Diddy, before these charges came against him, no one.

Speaker 10 (01:01:05):
So first and foremost, I think about the young woman
in his suit. You know, the first thing that my
ears heard was that jay Z was added to the lawsuit.
So I wonder under which circumstances that happened, you know,
why he wasn't named in the first lawsuit and why
he was at it. That's like the first question that

(01:01:28):
that that I that I'm curious about and I'm very
curious about the well being of this woman who brought
forth who brought forth this case because it is jay Z,
the burden of proof will be well, it's it's a
civil case, you know, jay Z challenged him, you know,

(01:01:48):
with let's let let's go to criminals, let's see some evidence,
so as we all know, the barrier, the barrier is
lowered when it's a civil suit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But I'm really.

Speaker 10 (01:01:57):
Worried about the role of the woman in this. If
she's being manipulated in some sort of way, she deserves justice,
you know. So that's that's kind of first and foremost.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Why did he get added? What's going on behind all
of that?

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
Secondly, when this first, when this first happened, If anyone
who knows me, like you know that I'm a huge,
huge hip hop fan, and jay Z got me through
my years at Harvard, Like honestly, I would get off
the red line listening to public service announcement just because
I had to reintroduce myself to myself every day. Like
jay is like philosophically, lyrically, he's that guy for me,

(01:02:35):
and of course I love Beyonce. But what all that
being said, I am a big believer in believe the victim.
I want to know more about this case. This is
the type of case because of the type of person
you were going after, the family that you were going after.
We need receipts, we need evidence because you were persecuting

(01:02:57):
one of the pillars of the black community, and that
this is a man who made it out of the projects.
And if you listen to his music, you listen to
his wisdom. One of the things that people admire about
him are the smart moves that he's made. Didd He's
always been the party guy. That doesn't necessarily mean that
he's guilty of everything he's been charged with. He's always
had that image Sean Carter a little bit different. It's

(01:03:20):
always been about wisdom and making smart moves and his family, right, well,
not always about this family that were the bad guy days.
But anyway, my point being, this is a different type
of person that Busby is coming after.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
And then my third point is.

Speaker 10 (01:03:37):
I talked to a lot of lawyer friends last night
about this, and the first thing that they all collectively
said is that Buzzby himself has an iffy record that
this is part of his tactic.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
So it's not only jay Z's reputation on the line.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
It's Busby's reputation on the line to pick this fight.
I really, really hope he has the receipts to prove
his allegations, because this one the community. We're already hurting,
We're already going through a lot, and now you want
to come with this, especially if there aren't any real
receipts to prove this allegation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
I wish him, well, yeah, it's.

Speaker 19 (01:04:18):
Going to be something that's going to be very interesting
to see you while Roland's going to be back shortly.
But this is something if we don't pay attention to
it and cover it the way that only we can
at the Black Star Network, we know that people are
just going to run away with it. So we're definitely
going to be keeping an eyes on an eye on this.
And like you're saying, no Love, it's always important that
we respect the victims and the people are the accusers,

(01:04:39):
and like you said this, we have to make sure
that all of the facts come out. So we're definitely
going to be paying attention to this. We'll be right
back with Moroland Martin unfiltered right here on the Black
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I think that's going to be the case for this too.

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Yeah.

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So, Sarah, on this point of economic opportunity, financial freedom,
these opportunities we have with technological revolution have with the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Technology all right, folks. Again, we're here in Atlanta at
the Operational Hope Little Forums. We have a separate feed
going of that and so we're back lives. So when
we lost our power, I was talking to our panel
about this lawsuit against jay Z and Diddy, and you know, Nola,

(01:12:24):
you were making a point and you're absolutely right. The
laws were changed in New York State. In California, there
was a window to allow people to be able to
file these civil lawsuits when these actions have been alleged.
But you have several things are going on, So you
have that and you have concern about the alleged victim,

(01:12:47):
but you also have due process and a concern about
those who are accused and what you see here. Tony
Busby came out and he said that he was getting
phone calls from people all around the country alleging acts
against against Diddy and others. Uh and he began to, uh,

(01:13:08):
you know, fiul suit hear what you have was an
example again, and I think what stands out and in
many ways this reminds me when justin Fairfax, the former
Lieutenant governor of Virginia, was the accused of a sexual
assault and when he came out and said, I'll take
a lot of detective tests. He called on the DA
in Boston and the DA in Ry, North Carolina, Uh,

(01:13:30):
to step up and actually investigate the case.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
And that was that was that was rare because typically
you don't have somebody who's been accused of something demand
for a criminal investigation.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
And so here what you have is when you when
when the jay Z issues this type of a statement, Uh,
you know, he's laying down a marker against this attorney.
I mean he's targeting this attorney directly, questioning his motives
as a marine and things along those lines. Uh. You
rarely see this type of response when an allegation is made.

(01:14:06):
And according to Buzzby, Buzzby said that they did not
want compensation, but they wanted private mediation, which then costs
others to say, well, I'm confused, while if you don't
want money, why would you want a private mediation? And so,
like I said, this is going to be a very
very fierce battle because Buzzby is saying I'm not backing down,

(01:14:30):
and with that statement, jay Z clearly says I'm not
giving anything up to you at all.

Speaker 15 (01:14:36):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
It's this is going to be This is going to
be one of those cases where multiple precedents are going
to be made in my personal opinion, because clearly jay
Z has drawn the line in the sand where he
was like, you are coming for me. My children are
going to be involved because other children are going to

(01:14:58):
ask them about it. You know, this is his reputation,
something that he's built for a very long time. And
it also says to me that you know, if you've
been a fan of jay Z's and you listen to
his music, this also sounds like something he's been ready
for because day one, when the allegations came out about Diddy,
people were already looking for jay Z to be involved

(01:15:20):
in some sort of way. And something else that I
also saw today is that the blogs are already posting
about how the NFL should end its relationship with jay Z.
And it's a very interesting thing that this particular case
will come up in this particular hostile environment, especially against
black folks, especially against black folks that have been seen

(01:15:40):
supporting Democrats. So all of that is going, all of
that is going to be baked into this pie. So
this is going to be a very interesting case to
watch to see what happens for a lot of reasons.
And this you know, people feel very strongly about the Carters.
They're very protect tip of the Carters. So it's going

(01:16:01):
to be interesting to see what happens culturally, legally and
to see how this affects the you know, relationships, because
right now a lot of relationships amongst people are fraud.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
So and then we'll also keep an eye on.

Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
To see if the NFL does you know, severage relationship
with uh, with jay Z.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
It's it's a lot to keep an eye on.

Speaker 15 (01:16:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
We're talking here on on congo money, lots of money.
We saw what happened uh to Dinny when the cat
with the uh Cassie lawsuit was filed. It impacts financially.

Speaker 15 (01:16:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
And you're right, they're all sorts of business deals, things
along those lines that are involved here. Uh and uh.
You know, as I said, UH, typically when you have
a celebrity who was accused, you sort of have a
different you know again, you typically don't want it to
be in the headlines. Here was jay Z going public
lawsuit was filing. Remember Busby said, you know, they're a

(01:17:03):
prominent entertainer. Jay Z was not named. Later he was named,
and that the naming of jay Z apparently came after
jay Z's attorneys filed a suit against Busby. And so
this is this is gonna be a very contentious public
legal battle.

Speaker 19 (01:17:21):
Yeah, and it's really important that jay Z and IT
teams stay in front of us because I'm gonna throw out.
Another celebrity that we can talk about is Jonathan Major's
and and look what happened with his career as well,
and it's on the rebound as some say, but he's
already you know, lost a lot. And like Nola was
saying with this thing with the NFL, similar with like
a Jonathan Major is once certain deals are gone, especially

(01:17:41):
for people in our community to get to these spaces,
they're not coming back, just like Jonathan Major's not gonna
be playing King and Avengers. Like if jay Z loses
like their partnership with the NFL of some of these
other places, I can't see them coming back, nor could
I see jay Z even wanting to mess with them
if he's completely cleared of everything. And so in our
in our community, when endorsement deals like this or connections

(01:18:02):
like this happen, with our accusations like this, and they
get lost. There can be real damaging consequences. I think
that's another reason why jay Z is getting ahead of this,
because you can't let a certain narrative continue to play
its way in the media, on television and so on
and so forth without giving any type of fire in return.
And there's also people out there and Alla who are
saying that the other person who was present was Beyonce,

(01:18:25):
because they're saying that there was a third there was
a woman present when this happened, and so again this
is an innocent into a proven guilty.

Speaker 12 (01:18:31):
People need to fight this all with everything that they have.

Speaker 19 (01:18:34):
And again, we need to find out what's happening with
this victim when she was thirteen years old at the time.
Clearly she's talking about something that happened with somebody that
involved rape. So absolutely have to be making sure that
this person is being protected as well, making sure that
there's you know, not manipulation going out there. I've heard
a lot of negative things about Buzzby, but a lot

(01:18:55):
of people talk about he has a great career representing
people like Warren buffer It and all of this other
type of stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:19:01):
But we just have to make sure in our community.

Speaker 19 (01:19:03):
That we're doing our due diligence, because if anybody's guilty
of this stuff, they're not going to keep our support
or protection, or at least not the protection of those
and support of those of us here. You know, we
know some people in our community who still mess with R. Kelly,
got no problems with you know, his music and so
on and so forth. But we got to do better
than that. We gotta support victims, We got to listen
to them, but we also have to make sure that

(01:19:24):
people are not being unnecessarily maligned because that also happens
too much in this industry and in all types of industry,
famous or non famous.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
You look at that statement, Cameron, he uses the word extortion,
the son of word thrown wrong, thrown around lightly. And
that's what really stood out to me in reading this
statement that was again type on his iPhone. He is
directly calling out the victim's attorney by saying, this man
is trying to extort me, and I ain't gonna do it.

(01:19:58):
He says, he ain't getting one red pin. You don't
You don't hear folk respond that way?

Speaker 20 (01:20:07):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And it doesn't matter if people are running left and
right and people I'm seeing social media and folks are like, oh,
he's guilty of things along those lines. Uh, this is
somebody who has resources, who could settle, or who makes
it clear ain't settling. And I still, I still would
love to understand from Busby by saying the victim isn't

(01:20:29):
seeking money, we wanted private mediation for what purpose? So
it's it's gonna be again really interesting to see what
happens here. Uh, and I doubt very seriously the partners
of jay Z are going to abandon him. But this
is also something that that we that we have to

(01:20:52):
understand that, yes, that there are alleged victims, but when
you say that someone is an alleged rapist, is that
now doesn't go away even if you settle, even if
you're found not guilty. And so it's even a question
of they have to prove it. Really, you have to

(01:21:12):
actually prove it yourself. That's why this is so contentious,
of why his response was so surprising.

Speaker 20 (01:21:22):
Yeah, Roland, I would take two things from what I
saw jay Z in the response and the implications they're one.
Jay Z has been famous and really rich and really
famous for going on thirty years now something along that line,
So he has had top flight legal support and help
to do the intricacy of business deals and all the

(01:21:44):
successes he has had, and for him to skip all
the probably millions and dollars and retainers that he pays
some of the best lawyers in the world, definitely in
the country to represent him and to give a direct
response when he I'm pretty sure has been trained for.
For this to go through the lawyers and so forth
means it at least points to a person who is

(01:22:06):
fully confident that at least he understands the truth and
that is he's not something he's not guilty of there.
And then I think, having worked obviously for a decade
plus in the corporate communications industry, we also deal with
a lot of crisis communications, and often usually in celebrities

(01:22:26):
or high profile, high ranking campaigns and or high profile
corporate positions and so forth, it is a tactic to
be able to try to get this and mediated and
settled early, because they know most people fear the bad
publicity and so for jay Z to kind of look

(01:22:47):
for no settlement, I don't know what private mediation looks like.
It looks like twenty years later if it is not
retied to any kind of financial compensation, and this is
not a and there's no criminal reas course I'm no lawyer,
but I'm not sure exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
What they would be looking for then, other than like.

Speaker 20 (01:23:06):
I said, like this is a huge smear on his name,
and then the other the other big thing that this
does and that we must protect against.

Speaker 6 (01:23:14):
But it's kind of baked in the cake.

Speaker 20 (01:23:16):
Now is this online matrix now with so many different
stories and so many different attached keywords everything that's gonna
happen in the Diddy lawsuit now jay Z's name when
you google his name, these might be one of those
first type of top things that pop up in the
search engine.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
The way the way that that that looks.

Speaker 20 (01:23:36):
And I think there's even there's material damage just to
his brand there just by being even named in this.
So if this is something hopefully, but if this is
something that jay Z has found innocent of, I think
he has huge recourse for Buzzby to to go after
him because now just for now into how who knows

(01:23:59):
how long, just if you search his name, the matrix
of stories that this will be attached to him as
opposed to all his accomplishments.

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(01:27:41):
though I ain't never known him to be filtered?

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
Is there anohing?

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Is there another way to experience Roland Martin than to
be unfiltered? Course he's unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Would you expect anything less?

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Why watch what?

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Watch what happens next?

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
And folks, welcome back. To roland Mark Unfiltered the Blackstar Network.
We're here the ten annual Operation Hope GLO Global forms.
A lot of conversations taking place with regards to whether
President Joe Biden should partner Donald Trump. Well on MSNBC
cons and Jim Clyburn actually said this, do you think

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that President Biden should pardon Donald Trump?

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
And if so, why, Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I do think so, And I think he should pardon
all of those people that have been accused and have
been taunted it so that we can clean the slate
we can have and yeah, possibilities for the future if
we keep digging at things. To the fact, I'm not

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too sure that country would not lose its way.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I remember President Trump has been indicted, has been convicted
on state prime. Also, please remember that the United States
Supreme Court has given him immunity. And so I'm asking
people who question my thought on this to explain to

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me how he would be any more insulated by this
pardon then he seems to already be by the United
States Supreme Court said, Joe Biden will be demonstrating what
he's always demonstrated to me, that he loves this country
more than anything else. Other than maybe his family. He

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wants to see this country going forward. He didn't want
to see us keep digging into the past but moving forward.
So I think it given it minus opportunity for him
to demonstrate that kind of concern for the future of
the country.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I'm sorry. Look, I got great respect for Connors and
Jim Clyburn, but hell no, absolutely positively hell no. And
I'm sick and tired. I'm sick and tired of Democrats
playing this. We're gonna go high a sense of normalcy.

(01:30:37):
Let me be clear, when Donald Trump lost, he didn't
welcome Vice President Joe Biden to the White House like
Biden welcomed him, like Obama welcomed him. He didn't do that.
Did Trump come to the inauguration the peace would transfer
of power? Hell no, he didn't do that. But Democrats

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are all no, you know, we have to for the
good of the country, for what's right and a sense
of normalcy. This is not normal person, So why are
we playing this sense of normalcy game with somebody who
flouts Yesterday, Christian Welcome, NBC aired an interview with him,

(01:31:22):
and he still refused to concede the tweeny twenty election.
I am sick and tired of Democrats trying to treat
this man like he's normal. He's not. And I'm gonna
tell you I'm a congo. If I'm Vice President Harris
of Biden, the hell with him in the inauguration. I

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only need to be there. This man flouts norms, This
man doesn't care, and Republicans are right there with him.
But everyone else it's supposed suppose to treat them with deference,
with respect, with dignity of office. When he shows none

(01:32:07):
of that. There's no way in hell that Biden should
even remotely consider giving this thug a part of me.

Speaker 12 (01:32:17):
And just look at history in terms of the Nixon
parton and where that gets folks.

Speaker 19 (01:32:21):
Right, Look, Democrats are already struggling with their base right now.
People felt like Vice President Harris ran away from the base,
ran to you know, the center, ran to the list
Chinese of the world, and didn't pay enough potential to
their base. The base does not want to see Donald
Trump get part in any way, shape or form. And
so if people are already frustrating with the Democratic Party

(01:32:43):
for not fighting for our core for our core values,
this is really going to push them over and they're
going to lose a whole generation of Democrats and potential democrats.
We're talking about accountability, and this country has a terrible
history of not holding people accountable for their racist actions,
whether we're going back to the Civil Wars and what
happened with Bell, with the people you know who are

(01:33:03):
part of the Confederacy, whether we're talking about slave owners
getting reparations, whether we're talking about this right now with
and Look, people are really acting like, oh, because Biden
part of his son. Now Trump has a permission structure
to pardon the January sixth insurrectionist, he was.

Speaker 12 (01:33:18):
Already going to do that.

Speaker 19 (01:33:20):
He's already had already had a term where he abused
the part and process. So this has really nothing to
do with that. And people keep creating this false equivalency
of Hunter Biden and Trump. Hunter Biden, who took responsibility
for what he did. Trump was still want to acknowledge
the election right now. So Biden, if you love this country,
how about loving the rule of law. How about rolding
people accountable? Because people are treating him like that seventeen

(01:33:43):
year old kid in college who's just making these dumb
mistakes and just needs another chance because people just don't
want him to ruin his life.

Speaker 12 (01:33:49):
The man try to overthrow the country.

Speaker 19 (01:33:52):
He's an insurrectionist, documents, stole documents, all of that, and
no one's supposed to have any consequences for that. I
have so much respect Representative Clyburn for for him to
suggest that, and people actually think, also, this is going
to be like Trump's going to be like, oh my gosh,
then I better not do that, right.

Speaker 12 (01:34:09):
I had another thing, comment had.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Another thing com Noah, noah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Everything that Amacongo said, yes, yes, and yes.

Speaker 10 (01:34:20):
And I also have a profound, profound respect for Representative Climburn.
He's done so much for this country and so much
for his constituent constituency. But when I heard this last night,
I had to double check because I thought I was
losing my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
I thought I misheard.

Speaker 10 (01:34:36):
And the thing about this about Representative Clyburn's statement that
keeps rolling around in my mind is the last part
when he says that he's already been convicted and he
has immunity, but somehow he's insulated. I guess the argument
that he's making is he already has the tools to

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do what he wants to do, so why not pardon him,
which is a very interesting line of argumentation. It's a
very interesting line of logic to follow, if that is
what he was getting. At My point is I was
very confused. I was trying to follow his logic, you know,
trying to set the emotion aside and actually follow the logic.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
But it's a little bit confusing.

Speaker 10 (01:35:18):
And you know, as a professor on a college campus,
I can tell you that young folks are already feeling disconnected, disaffected,
already feel like that voting does not matter, that it's
all a joke, and that there is absolutely no accountability
to Ama Congo's point. And I have been talking about
this all day on Blue Sky and Threads. Literally, a

(01:35:41):
generation of black Dems will disappear. Young folks will vote.
If you think the vote the vote. The voting turnout
was low this time, wait until four years from now,
because people will no longer believe anything that Democrats have
to say, and they definitely will not believe in institutions. So,
you know, it's a lot at stake here. It's very

(01:36:02):
confusing as to why he would make that argument, and
in my personal opinion, he hasn't made it sufficiently other
than you know, let's just move on as a country.
But no, Harry Dunn wrote yesterday that the incoming president
wants to pardon the people who try to kill me.
He wrote a substack about that just yesterday. No, people

(01:36:26):
cannot move on, especially after we saw how South Korea
handled their little insurrectionists in two point five seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
No, people are not willing to move on.

Speaker 10 (01:36:36):
People are still waiting for accountability, people are still waiting
to want to believe in a democratic party again, and
people are wanting to still believe in institutions.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
But if we just go ahead and move.

Speaker 10 (01:36:46):
On, if we just let the bully win yet again,
good luck, good luck in two.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Years and in four years.

Speaker 10 (01:36:55):
I just do not think it is a strategy that
folks want to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
It's not a strategy that will work. It will backfire.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Work right, And and the thing here, Cameron again, what
it would say is you can attempt, you can be
the first individual who oct by the old office to
attimpt to throw overthrow the election, and we're gonna go
and give you a part now damn that. I'm sorry.
I'm just well, No, this man is evil, This man

(01:37:25):
had content for the country. This man continues to advance lies.
He should not be rewarded.

Speaker 20 (01:37:32):
With a partner, point blank period. I think there's two
things that I'm noticing here. One, we gotta stand on business.
As the kids will say, you gotta stand on business.
I think it just mentioned before me that we will
so many different people when you when you look at

(01:37:54):
exit poland you look at focus groups and talk about
one of the things that annoyed them about Democrats or
the Democratic Party and various Democratic candidates.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Is the fact that they couldn't tell what they stood for.

Speaker 20 (01:38:06):
Even if Republicans are wrong or something, or a lot
of people feel that wrong. They're standing on their business.
They're standing on something that they believe is right and wrong.
This is not an operat This isn't a time where
there is clearly was something wrong. We all saw January
sixth happen. Trump being convicted of so many different crimes.
There's no need to part them, especially given the fact

(01:38:27):
that apparently he, like I said, he has the tools
to insulate himself. Anyways, in addition to what the effective
immunity due to the Supreme Court Supreme Courts decision earlier
this year, and again, the deepest respect to Congressman Clyburn.
He has given such wise counsel to so many, including

(01:38:48):
President Biden. This is one of those times where I
hope the President does go into a different direction. And
then the other thing I think we've got to realize
is that this thought, in this idea of pardoning pardoning Trump,
which I've even seen everybody from a Stephen A.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
Smith talk about on his show to others.

Speaker 20 (01:39:09):
And like, go ahead and pardon Trump, I think this
is also rooted in the fact that this is going
to cause either more togetherness or maybe cause if he
doesn't do it, it will cause more polarization. When we've
got to remember, in this day and age, people forget stuff.
It happens this morning, They may forget it this evening.
Let alone in a year two four years when we

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come to election. If you think we're going to Democrats
or any Democratic candidate is going to be able to
ride on the ride and run on this accomplishment or
on something that say, oh, look, President, our last president,
pardon Trump in the spirit of bipartisanship or unity or
something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
People don't care. The electorate has changed.

Speaker 20 (01:39:52):
People have changed, and all that does is show, I
think feeds into a larger narrative that Democrats are a
little spineless or are a little are willing to count
town and are trying to do everything that way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Oh absolutely, all right, folks, Hold one second. John Hope, Brian,
the founder of Operation Hope, is now speaking in the
main ballroom. Let's go live there.

Speaker 28 (01:40:19):
Final Christmas party of the Trump administration. And after a
couple of hours, I finally got the guts to go
up to the President and ask him what.

Speaker 6 (01:40:27):
Does the Jay and Donald J.

Speaker 12 (01:40:29):
Trump stand for?

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
You known't? He told me, genius? Okay, but we're not
doing politics here.

Speaker 28 (01:40:49):
One third, one third of the country has actually stopped
talking to someone because they disagree with them. And this
happened over the Thanksgiving and it's going to happen over Christmas.
You know who It happens with most grandfathers and granddaughters.

(01:41:09):
It's the strongest family relationship. It's not a husband wife obviously,
or brother or sister or parent child, it's grandparent grandchild
because they both have the same enemy. You'll figure that
one out on your way home, trust me, and we
can't be treating each other like this. It is a

(01:41:30):
genuine problem. And I'm going to show you something right now,
because I'm going to give you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
My first piece of advice.

Speaker 28 (01:41:36):
Two thirds of people under age thirty know someone personally
who's been damaged by social media damage intellectually, physically, mentally, emotionally.
How many you've got children between the ages of ten
and eighteen in this room raise your hands. Okay, you're
gonna want to write this down and maybe got grandchildren

(01:41:57):
this age. I'm going to give you in order the
way to keep your children happy and healthy, drug free
and alcohol free.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Number one, how often do you have dinner with them
at night?

Speaker 28 (01:42:10):
It needs to be five nights a week or more,
because that proves to them that they're the most important
thing in your life. If you're having dinner with them
two nights a week or less, they're being damaged, they're
being destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Nothing matters more.

Speaker 28 (01:42:26):
And I mean whatever financial efforts you want, whatever you're
trying to seek in life, there's nothing more important than
your children. And there's nothing more important than dining with them,
because that tells them that they come first. Number two,
how often do you attend religious services with them? You
want to do it once a week because if they

(01:42:48):
believe in God, then they believe in something.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
That is more important than themselves, something that they cannot see,
but they know it's there.

Speaker 28 (01:42:57):
Number three, do you check their homework or next week
or more, because that teaches them that they're intellectual detellectual.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
So, folks, Poster Frank Launcer speaking right now. One of
the things that he said there, he talked about a
third of Americans not speaking to somebody else that they
disagree with him. Uh, you know, and I want I
want to focus on that. I mean, Cameron, here's the
whole deal here, and it's very interesting. You know, he
raised the point about, you know, Thanksgiving and stuff along

(01:43:27):
those lines. We're not talking normal politics here. Well, we're
not talking traditional Republican party versus Democrat, progressive versus conservative.
What we're talking about here is again, uh a a

(01:43:47):
a right wing, far right, nonsensical, racist, xenophobic, sexist group
of people who are advancing agenda and agenda that is
shameful and despicable. That is the one that that where

(01:44:08):
they gleefully talk about breaking up families, where Trump has
eleven billionaires in his administration and all these idiots who
voted for populism, No, you voted for oligarchs. These folks
want to get rich When an Elon Musk what worth

(01:44:28):
three hundred billion dollars, whines and complains about people getting
Social Security so he can get Richard, I'm sorry. I
mean I saw Anna casperin with the Young Turks sitting
down for an interview with Glenn Beck. Oh hell no,
the crap has come out of his mouth. This is

(01:44:50):
not the time for progressives, for Democrats to turn into whips.
This is not the time to somehow Oh my god,
I'm so disenchanted with what's going on that I don't
know what to do. No, this is this is called

(01:45:14):
buckle up, put your chance, put your chin strap on.
This is about having a different type of conversation. Should
there be absolute changes within the Democratic Party when it
comes to this white consultant class that's reaping billions of
dollars and they keep losing and they don't know how
to target and speak to regular ordinary people. Absolutely, But

(01:45:38):
I'm sorry, I'm not giving in to the thugs supporting
that piece of crap. And I'm not gonna normalize his behavior.
It ain't gonna happen, not on this show, not on
this network.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
Yeah, we rolling, you know what, We've got a deep history.

Speaker 20 (01:46:03):
Of working in over the years and having worked and
for the Democratic Party for fifteen years in various capacities,
I would say this we often hear is most consequential election.
I think this is one of the most consequential times
because it was put on full display. I mean, if

(01:46:24):
as a party you can't we can't as a party,
and on individuals, if you can't realize it's not just
that we want to throw norms out because the other
party has thrown norms out, So let's meet them where
they are. People have changed, society has changed, people's demands
and what people are looking for has changed. And quite frankly,

(01:46:46):
I think people can handle somebody who's a little who
speaks a little more direct. People can handle somebody who's
willing to challenge the bully who's not willing to just
acquiesce because they want they want something, They want the
niceties of how things used to used to be.

Speaker 6 (01:47:02):
And then this is a this is a chance.

Speaker 20 (01:47:04):
I think also you mentioned something about like the white
consulting class and so many different folks who we are.
We're literally in a place where the way we used
to do things clearly did not does not work and
is not working and we are up against people who
have way more financial resources.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
I would say, I mean Elon Musk alone.

Speaker 20 (01:47:26):
The fact that what he could fund with the money
he finds, the money he may fluctuate up and down
the stock market in just a week, could probably dwarf
with some of the Democrats as a as a party
could raise in a year. And he is his showing
this and willingness to be able to use his money
and influence and his power on X and through his

(01:47:48):
various companies to be a microphone for what, as you mentioned,
what's gonna make him rich, what's going to make him
actually financially rich him and his companies. It does make
me nervous as we go into this, as we go
into this next cycle. You've seen there the Democratic Party
has their new chairmanship. Uh, and those elections that are

(01:48:11):
coming up in so many different things, you're starting to
realize in some of the post mortems of what happened
is the last last election are happening and you're not
hearing the deep accountability that needs to be that needs
to come from the people who ran these campaigns and
and who didn't put those investment dollars early to turn
out our various coalitions in our various communities, Black communities specifically,

(01:48:36):
it makes me.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
Nervous that we're not going to have those same kind
of fighters.

Speaker 20 (01:48:40):
But as you mentioned, this is not a time to
sit back, acqui As, this is not a time to
just let stuff happen, because if we do not even
put up the fight in front and willing to, and
I wouldn't even just say meet them where they at,
but we might need to go a little bit lower
because at this time, like it matters like playing at
the night and trying to just go back to those

(01:49:02):
traditional norms, are going to continue to get our bus
buck kicked in elections, and then if you don't win,
you don't govern, and then you really don't protect people.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Nola. We literally saw Elon musk Fund a superpack that
was running one type of ad to Jewish voters and
another type of ad that will hit the direct opposite
to Muslim voters. It was a lie in terms of
what they were saying. You see what these people, you

(01:49:34):
see what these people are doing, you see how they're operating.
And I'm telling you right now, I mean I saw
Congress and Rokana on ABC yesterday talking about this Doge
Department of whatever the hell this this so called department
that Vavek Ramaswami and Elon Musk are going to be

(01:49:54):
running looking for efficiencies in government. Let's be real clear.
If you want to start redy in the government, why
are we spending billions of dollars going to Mars. That's funny,
Elon Musk, I mean, all of these people, I'm telling
people right now you're watching, these folks are looking to
loot the system. These eleven billionaires who Trump's put us

(01:50:17):
to put his administration, they ain't there for regular ordinary people.
They are there to get richer. And it's too bad.
These folks who voted for Trump don't realize that because
they ain't looking out for you, and so they believe
the height. I mean, so this is the moment of
people of conscience should not be running away getting scared.

(01:50:41):
They should be saying, no, this is how we're going
to fight this evil. Because again the Oli guards they
have invaded the castle. Donald Trump, he is one of them.
He don't give a damn about no regular ordinary person,
and he should don't give a damn about anybody black.

Speaker 10 (01:51:00):
You know, to your point, Roland, this is one of
the reasons. Why when you know, when you have groups
of libertarians and these different kind of groups within the
far right or just on the edge of the right,
you know that voted for Donald Trump, it has nothing
to do with what your convictions are. You know, I'm
just going to say, very bluntly, I think so many

(01:51:22):
white folks showed up for Donald Trump, even if it
went against what they truly believe in, is because he
makes it okay for them to be white. He makes
it okay. He has restored the status quo in a
way to where he put us black folks back on
our heels and to say, know your place. And I
don't care what people say. They're going to talk about

(01:51:43):
economic reasons all day long, which are false, which which
are which.

Speaker 23 (01:51:48):
Is a lie?

Speaker 10 (01:51:49):
And they're going to talk about all these different reasons
anti wokeness, anti this anti that the only anti thing
that people voted for was anti block backness, anti trans,
anti anti.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
Lgbt q i A.

Speaker 10 (01:52:04):
They voted to preserve something that does not include what
this panel looks like tonight. So let's just put that
out there first and foremost right, and so as a
space as a space.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Girl, you know when you mentioned Mars.

Speaker 10 (01:52:19):
I got a little I got a little warm and
fuzzy because I I definitely have a different relationship when
when I think about space. But even let's just kind
of broadness out to space for a second. We are
in a situation where this administration was trying everything in
the diplomatic toolbox to make sure that Russia did not

(01:52:39):
put a nuclear weapon up in space and.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Lower Earth orbit. That is a thing. That is a
real thing.

Speaker 10 (01:52:44):
It's not a plot to a movie. It's a real thing.
So what is now going to happen when a when
an unsanctioned, unsanctioned department by Congress is set up for
efficiencies so to speak? What level of diplomatic conversations, What
level of safeguards and guardrails are going to be left

(01:53:10):
when you have people who just want to dismantle things
so they can make more money. I mean, the threat
in space is real and and it matters for everybody's
lives every day. Because something happens in space, guess what,
your GP is gonna stop working just like that. So
I'm just very curious about how this department that isn't
legally sanctioned by Congress is supposed to function.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
What is that going to look like?

Speaker 10 (01:53:34):
How are they going to be given powers to tell
federal employees that they can no longer work at their jobs?

Speaker 13 (01:53:40):
Like?

Speaker 10 (01:53:41):
There are just too many questions, especially about that department
in and of itself, And out of all the scary
things that we are hearing, that's the one thing that
really kind of scares me the most. And I'm not
gonna lie Roland, Like, we need to really like drill
down on this and figure out what it is they're
actually up to.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Well, let's clear that they're up to I'm telling you
right now. If you want to make any comparison, all
you have to do is look at when Putin took
over and the Oligarts got their way in Russia. Same
thing is happening here. When you look at the expansion,
look at the expansion of the wealth of the top

(01:54:23):
four people in this country compared to the bottom. That's
what's going on here. These people oppose anything that helps regular,
ordinary people. These folks are there to get richer. That's
what their job is is to get richer, and they
ain't gonna fight for anybody who's regular ordinary. I mean, look, guys,
if y'all have it. Look at Look at the idiot

(01:54:44):
who Donald Trump has picked ahead the Civil Rights Division
of the Department of Justice. Okay, this is a statement
that he put out there. Y'all should have it there
in the control room. Tell me if y'all have it.
And again, this individual here, this is what the statement
that went out. I mean, listen, this person is an
election denier. This person is an election denier. So I

(01:55:07):
need everybody who is watching to pay attention the Department
of Justice. They are not going to be doing anything
when it comes to voter suppression cases because Harmett Dylan,
this woman right here, Look at this. She stood up
consistently to protect our cherished civil liberties, including taking on
big tech for censoring our free speech, representing Christians who

(01:55:30):
are prevented from praying together during COVID, and ensuing corporations
who use volke policies to discriminate against their workers. Y'all,
that's what they're going to be doing. And so I'm
just trying to explain to everybody, you're not going to
have an aggressive Department of Justice Civil Rights Division focusing
on civil rights. They're going to be focusing on religious issues.

(01:55:54):
For the far right. They're going to be opposing efforts
when it comes to voter ex expansion, they're going to
be supporting election deniers. Prepare yourself for what is coming
and what I am saying here am conga, what is needed.
You've got to have people who are staying in this fight,

(01:56:14):
who are willing to stand up and understand what's happening.
You know, I saw Mark Elias he tweet old, mainstream
media is ignoring what the Republican's doing in North Carolina. Well,
guess what, we're not on this show. We're not ignoring that.
And so and listen, you got a bunch of other
progressive shows out there. They've thrown in the hat. I mean,

(01:56:38):
Yank is excited because Elon Masks, Elon Musk is taking
his suggestions about dog Man. I don't give it, give
a damn about that. Elon Musk doesn't care about any
of us, any of us. You already see that with
how they want to attack medicare. You saw Donald Trump
lying on NBC Christen Welker let him by saying, oh,

(01:57:02):
how he's saved of the Affordable Care Act? Know he didn't.
He tried to kill it. That's all these folks do
is lie. And I'm telling you right now, Okay, if
folks want to sit here and just allow these things
to happen, all right, we'll see what happened. And you
know what, a lot of these loud mouths black folks, okay, yeah,
oh yeah, b one fba A do dos people? Yes,

(01:57:24):
Let's see what y'all gonna say now, because see, it's
amazing all these folks had so much smoke for Vice
President Kamala Harris and they so quiet, they real quiet.
And a whole bunch of other these loud miles with
YouTube channels who's always talking about what I'm talking about.
It's amazing how quiet they are. But y'all so called

(01:57:49):
all fighting on behalf of black people, foundational Black Americans.
But y'all ain't saying nothing about what these folks are
putting in place. Yeah, we see y'all, We see what
y'all doing. I'ma go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:58:05):
This is real talk, man.

Speaker 19 (01:58:06):
You know, Tim Snyder writes in his book on Tyranny
about acquiescence in advance to dictators, and a lot of
these networks are doing that. And you know, you talk
about some of these groups that are talking about reparations
and the like. I can add a lot of groups
who are talk to our pro gaza, pro Palestinian rights
as we all want a free Palestine. But I've noticed
there's no smoke, you know, being directed towards the Trump
administration in the same way they did with Biden and

(01:58:27):
Harris as well. So again we're seeing so many people
give up and acquiesce these networks that meet the press
interview was terrible in terms of just allowing Trump to
lie because all of these guys want access. And I'm
going to go back to the first point that you
mentioned Roland, about like not caving in to people who say, oh,
you gotta work with these people, You gotta you know,
acquiesce to them and sit with them. You know, it's

(01:58:48):
a James Baldom quotation that we've all been seeing. We
can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement
is rooted in my oppression and deny of my humanity
and right to exist. These people don't want trans people
to be alive. They don't want our history as black
people to be taught in schools. They don't want LGBTQ
people to be able to have relationships. They want They

(01:59:09):
don't want women to be able to what you know,
what the Fortes says, your body, my choice. They don't
believe in the fundamental right of everyday humans to exist
unless it's under their white male cisgendered thumb.

Speaker 12 (01:59:22):
And we got to fight that in every way sense
it form.

Speaker 19 (01:59:25):
I believe in finding common ground, but people got to
want to find common ground with you. And if people
want to root it themselves against our existence, then we
got to fight it. And for all of those people
out there, we are going to be silent and right
now and all of the smoke for Biden and Harris.

Speaker 12 (01:59:37):
And you showed us what you are truly about as well.

Speaker 19 (01:59:40):
And so the fact that you on the Blackstar Network
here is like, we're not trying to interview these guys.
We're not trying to be cool with these guys. We're
going to be the same people we were before the election.
After the election, We're not going to try to switch
it up. We need more of that fight in America.

Speaker 12 (01:59:52):
We can't have the.

Speaker 19 (01:59:53):
Clyburns talking about parton than Trump. We can't have these
networks out there trying to get access to Trump and
you know and kissing the ring.

Speaker 12 (01:59:59):
If we do do that, then we're doomed and.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
We're fact Well, I just I just think that what
you're seeing, you're seeing a lot of people who are
giving up, who are disgruntle, who are upset. I get
all of that. But the one thing that I just

(02:00:23):
refused to do, I just refuse to betray the ancestors.
I mean, we're sitting here in Atlanta, and I was
thinking about earlier the civil rights leaders who you know.
I saw Ambassador Andrew Young, who's ninety two years old.
We lost this year, so many critically in the last

(02:00:47):
two years, and I think about Reverend James Lawson, I
think about it, Harri Belafonte, I think about Reverend Ctvvian,
Reverend Joseph Lowry, I think about Henry hank Aaron. I
think about again, so many who are now ancestors. These

(02:01:09):
folks didn't give up. These folks didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:01:16):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
They, I mean, to their last breath, they were fighting.
I think about again, folks.

Speaker 24 (02:01:29):
These I mean, these individuals were ninety and ninety one
and ninety two years old, ninety five, ninety six, still swinging,
still fighting, not giving up.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
And I'm listening and I'm sorry forgive me if I
don't have a lot of empathy and compassion for folks
in their twenties and thirties, who, oh my god, all
hoped we were just tired and we're just we've been fighting,

(02:02:01):
and oh my god, these things really really, I mean,
Assistant Baton Rouge lost the re election on Saturday, Black people.

(02:02:22):
You look at the numbers, Our voting numbers were horrible.
So here you got a white guy football coach, never
been to public office before he gets elected mayor of
a city, billion dollar budget, football coach, that's it. Never
run a business, never been in public office. And so

(02:02:48):
we have in many ways this epidemic, I think are
people who've given up, lost hope, who don't know what
to say, what to do. And I'm sorry, Cameron, this
is not the time, this is this is not the moment.
This is a time where you need people who are yes,

(02:03:11):
take a rescipe, go on, breakway, do a sabbatical, Well,
come back, get in the fight. Because what the right
wing are doing, they want to solidify the Supreme Court,
they want to solidify the federal judiciary. They want to
they want to solidify and take control of all of

(02:03:32):
these states. They want to ram through an agenda, and
they want to be able to control power for the
next one hundred years because their whole point is when
the demographic shift is complete, they still want to be
running this And this is the last thing folks should do.

(02:03:56):
If that is sitting out and trying to escape. Well,
these folks are trying to put in a put in
a place, because what they want to put in the
place if you are thirty years old, they want to
have it where you don't where you have no shot
at changing this system for the rest of your life
and for your children.

Speaker 6 (02:04:18):
Yeah, that's right, Roland.

Speaker 20 (02:04:21):
I'll say this as a person who's who's been fighting
and who's been working kind of NonStop for so many
years and knowing so many of my peers and knowing
people around the country, I hear you. I do hear
them when they say, Hey, we've been fighting and this
is a lot of my mental health and I need
to stress.

Speaker 6 (02:04:39):
I encourage them to do something right now.

Speaker 20 (02:04:41):
This is we've got maybe what forty two forty five
days left until the next inauguration, until the next president.
Use maybe use some of those days, like you said,
to take a recpite, to take to take a quick beat.
But if you think we can stop now, did Donald
Trump ever up? Donald Trump spent the last four years

(02:05:03):
continuously fighting, not backing down, not backing down from the insurrection, uh,
denying the denying the election.

Speaker 26 (02:05:11):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (02:05:11):
And while he's out there blustering, his infrastructure is continuing
to be built. And I think you've made a real
critical point. This is not just at the federal level,
just at the presidential and Supreme Court, which we all
pay attention to.

Speaker 6 (02:05:24):
This goes down to state houses. This goes down to
the governor's races, the mayor's races.

Speaker 20 (02:05:29):
Uh, the state legislature, the state senates, where so many
different as you can see by the Supreme Court kicking
back so many different uh see, these different powers.

Speaker 6 (02:05:37):
Back to the states is where the real next battle
will be fought.

Speaker 20 (02:05:43):
And and and as of now, we don't have dogs
and water holeses in fear of necessarily getting beat, I
mean have here. Donald Trump said he's gonna definitely unleash
the military on protesters, and we may unfortunately get back
to that place.

Speaker 26 (02:05:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:06:00):
So I think this is a period. I'm kind of
hoping a lot of this is online bluster.

Speaker 20 (02:06:05):
People just a little bit upset people, a little bit
of worn out, and we're going to take that respite,
Gonna take some vacation time, gonna take just a little
bit of time to just get our minds right.

Speaker 6 (02:06:16):
But if we take our foot off the gas, even
just for a.

Speaker 20 (02:06:20):
Little bit over these next six months to a year,
the next two years, we're gonna look up and it
be we won't be able to I think recover.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
I just see, I just see and hear Nola this helplessness.
And I was at the Vice President's how they brunched
yesterday and I said this to a couple of people,

(02:06:51):
if you know you didn't leave everything on the field,
then maybe you should look in the mirror, because I
think part of this issue here is that we have
a lot of people who complain but don't work, People
who are expecting others to do more, but they aren't

(02:07:14):
doing anything themselves. And that's what cannot happen. We need
folk who are putting in the work. And you don't
have your next national election till twenty twenty six. The
folk had better understand that when we lose a mayor's
position in Baton Rouge, you lose power, you lose access

(02:07:35):
to the budget, you lose control of the resources and
in places where black people alone could make the difference.
If I sit here and let's see here, when I
look at that election and look at the numbers and

(02:07:59):
look who showed up. When you talk about thirty five percent,
turnout thirty four percent. And when I know that again,
if fifty percent of African Americans at bat who were
eliment votes at Baton Rouge had voted, Sharon gets reelected.

(02:08:21):
Just black people. So my position nolah. Over the next
two years four years, when somebody starts whining and complaining
to me about something, I'm gonna asking real questions. Did
you vote? If they said yes, who'd you vote for?

(02:08:43):
If they tell me, oh, no, I didn't vote, I'm
gonna say it's on you. At some point we got
to let folks know that I don't want to hear
your wining complaining if you did nothing about.

Speaker 10 (02:08:55):
The problem, I definitely hear that message loud and clear.
Now as you're talking, I'm thinking about my students, who
I have very frank conversations with when they wonder about
what have we left behind for them? But you know,
more to the point, I had posted something in my story,

(02:09:17):
and you had shared a roland. When I talked about
those of us who were out there who left it online,
and I truly mean us when about in my heart,
you were one of the most hardest working people out
there on the camp you know, on the campaign trail.
I mean you were absolutely everywhere. I mean to the
point where I would joke and say, like, clearly he
has a clone, because that's the only way that I
can understand how you could have been in so many

(02:09:39):
places with your cameras ready to go in the black
spaces talking to black people. But what I will say,
as a very proud part of the ninety two percent
talking to a lot of sisters, we are tired. But
it's not so much being tired about not wanting to fight.
We're tired of business as usual.

Speaker 4 (02:09:59):
And that that's the thing. It has to be a
Kennedy moment.

Speaker 10 (02:10:04):
And what I mean by that is it has to
be a moment that invigorates the party in such a
way that they are going to want to vote. It's
going to have to be an extreme sort of pivot.
It's going to have to be a Kennedy moment. I mean,
black folks who were not voting before that, or the

(02:10:25):
few black folks that could vote even if they didn't,
they got out there and they made sure that Kennedy
won even if they couldn't vote legally. Right, it has
to be a moment, It has to be a person,
It has to be a team that people are going
to want to be excited for at the top of
the ticket. And I take all your points about not

(02:10:46):
just what's happening federally but also at the state and
city level. And then another thing is to my earlier
point about how many in this country is very clear
that they want conflict, that they want violence, that they
want war.

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
We have to something that we do not want to do.
We have to be uncomfortable for a little while.

Speaker 10 (02:11:08):
We have to get comfortable with the discomfort of maybe
having to think about different ways, you know, to get
messaging through, try to figure out different ways how to
teach kids civics in a way that they get excited about.
We have to organize in a way where our ancestors
march for months to make their point about being able

(02:11:32):
to just sit at the front of the bus. They
got uncomfortable. We are too comfortable, So it cannot be
business as usual.

Speaker 4 (02:11:41):
It has to be.

Speaker 10 (02:11:43):
It has to be an energizing moment to where people
actually buy into what the party is selling. And we
have to also get uncomfortable. That's a tall order. In
two years, four years, it's a tall order, and it
will not be feeled by doing business as usual.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
I'm a congo, you know. I think one of the
things that look, you're gonna have the Democrats elected a
new chair, and there should be some hardcore demands made
by black women and black men of all the candidates,
and and and and making sure no, no, no, no,
these things have to happen. This is where you begin

(02:12:26):
to say, no, no, we ain't gonna play these games.
The New York Times dropped the stir of the weekend
with black staffers in in uh Philadelphia. Uh just went
role creating their own play and trying to reach black voters. Okay,
they had an awful rapport with the campaign, but we
know what the spending was, we know how our troution
it was. This is where we say no, no, no,

(02:12:48):
hell no, y'all about to deal with some issues right
now and put them on notice and say, to Noah's point,
ain't gonna be business as usual. Oh uh, these for
these four firms that six hundred million went through for
the advertising, not one of those firms should be even
involved in the next president's election. So again, this is

(02:13:11):
where you put folks on notice by saying, yeah, we're
not gonna phone call, We're not gonna phone back, man,
We're not gonna do all that damn work. If you're
gonna keep sitting of the same millions and billions to
these white strategists who refuse to listen and target black people,
ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 19 (02:13:27):
Well, absolutely, you know, today I spoke at the Clunta
Kina Alex Haley Memorial Statue of celebration twenty five years
in Annapolis, Maryland, and the first Lady uh Don Moore
of Maryland was there speaking, and she reminded us that
Wes Moore is the only black governor in the country

(02:13:48):
right now. And so I'm looking at what's happening here
in Maryland where I'm living. I'm looking at you know,
what we've produced as related to you know, the Senator
and also Brooks and the like, and we have to
take the examples of place, you know, people like.

Speaker 12 (02:13:59):
Governor Moore, also Brooks and across the other country.

Speaker 19 (02:14:01):
So many other examples that you brought up Rolling, like
the one you just said, these guys are making their own.

Speaker 12 (02:14:06):
Plan and we have to multiply it tenfold.

Speaker 1 (02:14:09):
Man.

Speaker 12 (02:14:10):
You know wes Moore's only governor. More is only forty six.

Speaker 13 (02:14:12):
Right.

Speaker 19 (02:14:13):
We have to continue to fight our own plans, continue
to build on our own communities. And there are so
many examples like that across the country that you know
better than anybody else Rolling, And so you have the
ability to educate people on our successes and failures. You
know that the rise of people like Representative Crockett and
the like, we have the ability to mobilize ourselves. And

(02:14:33):
if we don't do it now, like all of you
all just said, if we don't do it now, it
can be fifty sixty years before or more before we can.

Speaker 12 (02:14:40):
Really get back to the type of power we were
on the road to.

Speaker 19 (02:14:43):
Getting my students after the election, similar to Nola, it
was like a rocket had hit them or something, you know,
the level of anger and frustration, but the sadness that
they had. But I told them, look, you can be
as sad as you want, but if you come back
in the spring and you can't tell me, who you're
staying senators are, who your city councilors are, who dog
catcher is like? And when these elections are happening, and

(02:15:05):
don't know what the school board meetings, you haven't made
some conscious decisions about companies you're not gonna support anymore
because they're pro Trump. And I was just running down
the list of different things you can do. Then I
was like, you rolled them, like, don't talk to me,
because you continue to be part of the problem. You
are a slacktivist. You're not serious and making real change.
And until you get out there and actually do something

(02:15:25):
significant in your spaces, especially locally, then it's only going to.

Speaker 12 (02:15:30):
Get worse for you.

Speaker 19 (02:15:32):
And that's a charge we have to continue to give
our young people and in our black spaces, who are
in black political spaces. We need to continue to challenge
the Democratic Party, but continue to build on our own
and be prepared to do this without them if we
have to.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
Absolutely, And so, folks, we want me giving in here,
we want me kissing up to the lights of blend
Beck in the far right. That shit ain't happening. We're
going to keep the pressure on change and so let
me thank Cameron Nola and I'm a Congo as well. Folks,
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