Arrest in killing at Kenosha protest; NBA boycott; Melania on race; TX braces for Hurricane Laura

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and busking. Today's Wednesday All twenty coming up next to
Roland Martin Unfiltered, a seventeen year old white man arrested

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in the murder of two Kenosha, Wisconsin protesters, will give
you all of those details and how he goes brazen
ly walked past cops and nobody did a thing. The
Milwaukee Bucks and the Orlando Magic boycotting today's Game five
of the NBA Playoffs as a result of the shooting
of Jacob Blake. In fact, the Houston Rockets and the

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Oklahoma Thunder they are also boycotting tonight's game. Will tell
you if Lebron's Lakers are doing the same thing. We'll
hear from l A Clippers coach Doc Rivers as he
speaks out about the shooting of Jacob Blake. He got
extremely emotional. Ain't out in terms of how black people
feel about the shootings, happening in this country. Plus day

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to the Republican National Convention is done. Will show you
some other highlights and low lights, and talking about the
white woman who spoke last night about why her black
son should should be racially profiled. Plus Hurricane Laura barreling
towards Texas. Will talk to me allogist Paul Goodlow about
what is going to happen to my native state. Plus

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we'll talk to a Jacksonville couple who saw their home
appraisal rate increase after they removed all signs of blackness
from their house. And folks, a new round of anti
Trump asked to show you it is time to bring
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the scene last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. As you see
right there, Uh, the guy running down the street. He's
carrying a R fifteen in a moment, you're gonna hear
him start shooting here to you, this took place last night.

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He's literally firing at folks who are protesting. Now the
person who is shooting is backing away. You see, you're
gonna see a moment where this a seventeen year old
out of Annie, Illinois, name is Kyle Rittenhouse, is gonna
walk towards towards those cops there. Nobody doesn't thing. Watch

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how do you just shut up? Right here? Just shot
up a right just shut Do you hear protesters yelling
to the cops this guy right here just shot some people.
Watch this. The cops literally do nothing. They're yelling this

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guy just shot some people. Now we're gonna show you
another video. There's several videos that were shot. People were
live streaming last night, and you're gonna see Kyle Rittenhouse
just walking around with this gun fully loaded. So play
the next video. Go down here, DoD go down here, down, doc,

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come down here, very very clarious. Doncal down here. Yeah,
this video was shot shortly before the shooting. Okay, folks,

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here's another video of that video. We just show right
there from another angle. I worked out this. Now we're

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about to show you a video of the aftermath of
one of those folks who was actually shot his arm,
almost a gaping wound in his arm. And so remember
when that guy, Kyle was running down the street and
then he was on his back and he fired us.
And you see a guy jerked this way. This is
that guy. Oh ship, people getting shot all around us.

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People are just get shot everywhere. Guys. Take this, take this,
let me turn now again. You could not see it. Well,

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they're huge, gaping hole. They're in his arm. That shooter
managed to leave the scene, leave Wisconsin, make it way
back to his home in Antioch, Illinois. This is a
photo of him right here, seventeen year old Kyle rittenhouse.
They've already he's been charged with murder. They have already.

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Uh so the guy we just showed you with a
gaping wound, that's a photo right there. Uh you see him.
You see the guy who clutching his chest. We're not
sure if he was the one who also was killed,
but two people were killed by this gunman. You see
right here another photo angle there as well of what
took place. This is from the video images, uh that

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were actually live stream. He made it way to his
home and then he of course was arrested by Illinois police,
already again charged for murder. He killed two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Rittenhouse was in bond court this morning regarding being a
fugitive from justice in Wisconsin. He's being held on no bond.

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Was due back in court for an extradition, hearing it's
gonna take place on Friday and so again. But people
who were live streaming this whole thing, now here's what's crazy.
The Kenosha, Wisconsin police. Listen to what the police chief
says about what took place last night was out after

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the curfut I'm not going to make a great deal
of that, but the point is the perfuse in the
place to protect had person has not been involved in
in violation of that, perhaps the situation that that unfolded
would not have happened. Um So, the last night was
seventeen year old individual from Antiochio E Point was involved
in the use of player arms to reserve, to excuse me,

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to h to resolve whatever conflict is in place. The
result of it was two people are dead. I'm sorry,
seventeen year old Kyle Rittenhouse. They discovered why supremacist language
on his social media the chief say it he was
there to resolve whatever conflict. I'm sorry, he's holding an

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A R fifteen. What the hell conflict is he there
to resolve? That makes no sense what soever, none, none, whatsoever.
That was Kenosha, Wisconsin Police Chief Dan uh Ms Skinness.

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That's what he had to say about what took place. Folks.
This is absolutely crazy to see these and for some
people call these militia. One of these guys in the militia,
he's just simply a seventeen year od white guy with
an A R fifteen with live rounds of ammunition firing
them at others. Now, you can disagree with the people

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who are out there demonstrating, you can call them whatever
you want to, but please explain to me how anybody
can somehow defend and in fact check this out. I
was on social media earlier. Uh, this is the video
right here. This is the video again, show it again,
Pull it up, y'all. This is the video here of
exactly what took place. This is crazy, And I was

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on social media some m m a tier. Uh. She's
already saying, hey, where can I contribute to his defense fund?
That's the kind of nonsense. Uh that we're seeing happen.
Let's go to buy panel A. Scott Bolden, former chair
National Bar Association Political Action Committee, Robert Pertillo, executive director
Rainbow pushed coalition Peach Tree Street Project. Janelle King, co

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founder Speak Georgia, Inc. I'll start with you, Uh, Scott,
to sit here. The police chief says he was there
to resolve whatever conflict. I mean, we're talking about the
shooting of Jacob Blake, shot seven times in his back.
You've got this guy running around with his gun, playing

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like he's somehow in the military or like he's some
cop trying to bring peace in order to Kenosha, Wisconsin.
They certainly looked past him. Now, under Wisconsin law, you
have a right to carry and open carry without a license,
but you gotta be eighteen years old. And if the
police stop you and I ask you for I D

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and or to see your driver's license, you have to
do that. Now, if you got riots in the street
and protesters, and this kid was seventeen years old, not
one police officers. He walked by them with this a
R fifteen stopped him to ask any questions. The people
were yelling. He just shot those people down there. But
those were black people and protesters probably or white protesters,

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and no one was listening to them. It was essentially
okay for seventeen year old with a rifle, a weapon
of mass instruction, to walk by the police, shoot protesters
and make it back to Illinois. Now they don't see us,
they see us with a gun, and we're on the
ground with somebody white and young who on camera kills

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people and protesters. They ignore them. That's the reality of
what's going on today. All right, So we're gonna play
this other video. This is a video of these white
militia folks um talking with talking with the cops. Now
that this makes no sense whatsoever. Uh. That that that

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that's that's going on there makes no sense whatsoever. Uh.
And I'm gonna try to pull it up, y'all. Don't
have that video where they tossed in the water bottom. Okay,
I'm gonna put it in the second. But Robert, this
is what you're seeing is crazy. With the chief said,
that's nonsense as well, how are you cops and you're
letting this guy to sort of walk around doing whatever?

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Don't know that this is crazy, Roland. None of this
is unexpected. This is the inexorable result of what's going
on in this country right now. We can not separate
this from the rhetoric and politics either. But what we've
heard all week is this inflammatory rhetoric about we are
the last stand against the mob and Western civilization. We're
the only thing that can protect these people from invading

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the suburbs. Suburban housewives will be taken away and uh
and carried off the miles, will destroy your quality of life.
We're defending your Second Amendment right, so you have the
right to defend yourself against these leftists and communists and looters.
There they put the Makowskis from St. Louis on television
as if they were heroes. We're doing something very similar
to this, which is violating every law on the books,

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violating every gun, our gun safety protocol, making themselves into vigilantes.
And this is the in nuctual result of all of that.
If you take a a R fifteen to a to
a march or to a protest where there are thousands
of people, you have a thirty round magazine, so you
are not going to be stopping these people. All you're

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there to do is incite additional violence. The only thing
that can happen is that it go wrong and go badly,
and we have to uh, we have to thank God
in this horrible situation that these were very peaceful, non
violent um uh liberal protesters. Because have there been a
n f a C group or the had been naggar,

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this has been another group where the protesters were armed,
then we would have had a crossfired situation and then
you would have u and you would have far more casualties.
So unless we can tap down this political rhetoric and
just talk about saving Western civilization from the hordes, what
we're gonna continue to see this happening. And the fact
is that in Kenosha, Wisconsin, listening to that police chief,
we know exactly why those officers have not been arrested

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for killing Jacob Blake. Let's that police chief talk. He
thinks that they were completely in the right, and let's
understand that a black man and a T shirt is
more dangerous to American society than a white man with
an a R fIF team who just killed a bunch
of people is walking down the street. I watched this here.
Now wait wait wait wait wait wait, I gotta watched
this here. So this is a This is a video here,

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folks from last night. This is the video from last night.
Listen to remember the police chief. Remember the police chief
actually said that none of these folks should have been out,
should have been out because of the perfew. Listen to
what the cops say to these white men parading around

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with guns and lock Emma, watch this. You keep people
from pointing their guns to the crowd. Yeah, no laser
pointers either, No laser pointers. They think that's guns to
That's what's starting. Mostly stay back by the gas station again.

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You water, you get out of here. Damn your are glow?

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Your paddy? Are you throwing up here? We got a couple,
we got a baby. A couple of them. Will give
me a couple you guys really do thank you. I

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need to step. I'm sure they have a lot of
bottles of water. I struck out boy. All right, hey,

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thanks for a tanti us. Janelle. I want to go
to you. Yea wait wait wait wait, here's the deal.
The gunmen that was him, yep. They the cops literally
or the cops nash you, the guard whoever they were
literally said thanks you guys. They gave them water. Now

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if you're sitting here saying we need people off the streets.
Why do the cops telling these white guys, Hey, guys,
do me a favor, don't point the gun at people,
keep it down. But you saw you saw it right here,
the young white man, the young white man who is now?
Who is now? H you'll see him right here? Uh?

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You see him right there on the left. That's him.
You see in a little orange thing over sure, that's Kyle.
That's the guy who the cops are literally telling them,
glad you guys are here and giving them water. You're
not go ahead, Well, let's start by saying that. First

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of all, thank you for having me on the show. Um.
Second of all, I'm I'm a little confused as to
when to be outraged and when not to be outraged.
I don't know how we found the killers of Horace
Lorenzo and Person Jr. Or Sakoria Turner. I think it's
interesting to me that we kind of pick and choose,
and we want to be upset and we want to
address certain issues. Um, in this case right here, how

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surprised can we really be? We were encouraging looting, We're
encouraging rioting, encouraging behavior. We meaning that those who support
the Black Lives Matter movement police officers who doesn't want
police officers to be a part of any of these
protests that we call peaceful, but these are not peaceful protests.

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These are individuals, predominantly white individuals, who are taking over
what we call peaceful protesting, creating these anarchists experiences. And
then we want to talk about it. I personally would
rather talk about finding the individuals that killed Horace Lorenzo
Anderson Jr. In the chop zone or the little eight
year old girl who died and died Sakoria Turner. And

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I also want to talk about the fact that in Atlanta,
we were we had city council members encouraging people to
walk in want to burn down buildings with a R
fifteen and saying it's okay for them to do that.
They haven't no no hope, no no no no no no, no,
I don't hope no no no no. Who I need names?
See you just throw out you said count remembers. Who oh, well,

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see so, council member. Um, it was a matter of
fact our mayor Mayor Keisha Land's bottoms was said, it
was okay for these individuals there was a bunch of
black individuals to stand outside of the Windy's that was
burned down here in Atlanta with a R fifteen. Your
questions not true. I gotta ask you a question. Got

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a your question? Is it the law in Georgia to
be able to open carry weapons? It is? Second? What
what's so sold on? Hold on one second? One second,
Hold on one second, hold on one second. So it's
the law to have open carrying Georgia, correct, it is.

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Now it's the law to have open carry in Wisconsin.
But I'm gonna ask you specifically, do you condone these
individuals with open carry firing on other citizens? And these
individuals are not protecting property, they don't own the property,
and they're not police. So which is it? I mean,

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are you? Are you fine with their actions or not.
I'm not condoning the killing of anybody. That's why I
started out by saying that I want us to find
those who murdered Coors, Lorenzo Anderson. But I know what
I'm asking but I'm asking you, But I'm asking you
about this fear Sutch on a very basic level. Absolutely
not in my condoning the murder of anybody at any

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point in time, whether it be this individual who's walking
down the street carrying an a R fifteen for no
reason at all, shooting at people, or whether it be
those that were in the chop zone who have no
faith because no one cares about those who the person
who killed the black boy in the chop zone. But
I also ask you, no, no bye, but But but
also I asked you, I asked you specifically about cops

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who don't they don't want anybody out. Do you think
it makes sense to have cops encouraging these folks with
weapons and giving them water. I do not think it
makes sense at all to encourage for cops or anyone
to encourage anyone to have weapons in the middle of
the street for no apparent reason. Here's uh, Scott, you

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want to go Scott, Scott, go ahead. But but but
watch Robert said something about its commentary that I want
to supplement or add on to you. Now see black
Lives Matter movements when police are killing black men, and
you see white supremacy groups or those connected to them

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infiltrating these peaceful protests, causing disturbances, shooting people in arms
with the police, and then blaming black lives matter, or
serving a narrative for the GOP and white conservatives saying
that Black Lives Matter are violent group, and these are
violent protests, and they're anarchists, and these are white supremacist groups,

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whether it's in Minnesota or Wisconsin, who are infiltrating these
peaceful protests, causing trouble and then really proceed blaming Black
Lives Matter. That is some sophisticated racism right there. In fact,
we've got to be real careful about. In fact, Robert
once I can hold up, hold up, in fact, Robert
hold on, in fact, Robert Um Minneapolis police, Robert go

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to my iPad, Anthony, remember the white man with the
umbrella in Minneapolis. The police, the police in Minneapolis identified
him as a white supremacist. So that wasn't Black Lives
Matter protesters, uh, knocking down, wielding, knocking on windows. The

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Minneapolis ELECTI fishers and cops said no, this was a
identifiable white supremacists who was doing this. Robert roller to
Jennell's point about there were people in front of the
Windy's with a R fifteen. It wasn't people, and from
the windows it was made it was Keith in them.
There was people that we know in the community who
are responsible gun owners, who have a R fifteen and

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well wait wait wait wait wait hello hello, hello, hello, Hello,
don't overtalk, Robert. I'm gonna Robert Janelle, this guy, Robert,
finish your point. And but what we also have to
discuss is the fact we talked about white supremacists infiltrating
the movement. Wasn't talk about the white supremacists infiltration police departments.
The fact there's the reason that this um, this theater
and Kenosha felt that do this because he was default

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or de facto deputized by those officers to service local
unless you're in extensional police sports, which authentity and made
opera killing when they had the text messages to the
who people for the police, and they deputize them to
prosecute any black person in the community as a criminal.
So when a white person can use the badge of
whiteness simply to police any black person that they are

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deemed to be in control of, then why are we
even having a discussion about systemic racism. That is systemic
racism right there where the system creates white supremacy and
allows him to kill people and endorses it. It. Yeah,
I am. I just kind of want to push back
on Robert just a tad bit when he said that
it was him and Keithing them that was standing out

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there who were being responsible. I guess they were being
responsible until they killed the eight year old little girl.
Um but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hey, hey, we
can't that's not I can't. I can't hear that. I
can't stop stop you, I cannot hear somebody talking. Janelle

(27:55):
finished this, Scott your next go. Yeah. So, as I
was stating, Um, at the end of the day, I don't,
I totally agree that we do have to look at
what's happening in our police department. I'm not, by any
means saying that there are not bad cops. I believe
most certainly there are bad cops. We see these bad cops.
A matter of fact, we highlight the bad cops more
than we highlight the good cops. So it's kind of

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hard to to not understand that piece of it. However,
I do think that that we have to be sure
to be mindful that we don't generalize and put up
create a narrative that says that all officers are wrong
or all officers are bad. Because what happens is you
have a community of individual especially young black boys, that

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are growing up thinking that they are supposed to be
afraid of cops. In fact, that right there can be further,
can be any further than the truth. Out of fifty
interactions with police officers a year, only less than one
percent end in police brutality. That's not to say that
we shouldn't address in it. It's not an issue that
we need to take up. But at the same time,
we got to make sure that we put things in
perspective so that we don't create a situation where we

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have young people calling for the absolute removal of police
officers in safety in general. But Janelle, we have things
that we have these in perspective when we look at
the fact that even when you have cops being held accountable,
you have those so called good cops who then want
to have slowdowns. When you have a cop being held
in Chicago for the death of the Quam McDonald who lied,

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the other cops lied, They went to Burger Key and
erased the video. They tried to keep the videotape from
actually coming out. They literally lied on the witness stand
and then the other cops in the department gets piste
off that somebody was being held accountable, and then they
decided to say we're gonna have a slowdown. So when

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you say, you know, look, we can't say all cops.
No one is saying all cops. The problem is when
all those other cops are unwilling to stand up on
willing to say something. Hell, when you had the cops
fire in Atlanta, when they snatched those two students, one
for more house and what respellment out of the car,
one of the cops pointed a gun at them, pays them.

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We showed the video for no reason. The cops that
Atlanta got piste off saying, oh, oh my god, I'm
morel is so low. That's unfair. They didn't. They did
not chastise the cops for their average behavior. They got
mad at the politicians for holding them accountable. So at
one point, Janelle, are the so called good cops going
to step the hell up and be good citizens and say,

(30:30):
you know what, root out folks in the department, because
white supremacists in the department. Root out these folks because
they are making us look bad. So Janelle, tell me
when that's gonna happen. But no, Scott, No, no, Scott,
She's gonna answer my question to them, going to you.
So to your point, when is that going to have
different definitions? I think you're to different definitions of good

(30:50):
cops in bad cops. So cops that actually serve as um,
you know, accessories to crimes, they are not considered good
cops to me. So I'm not referring to them. I'm
referring to those who are actually doing their job, referring
to those on the front line, who is watching feces
out of their uniforms because they're simply standing there trying
to stand in between the anarchist and and people's property.

(31:11):
So so so, so do you mean do you mean
I think those are bad cops and bad cops are
Also when you are seeing a cop beat the hell
out of somebody un necessarily and you staying there, don't
say nothing, don't do nothing, and then you go back
to the station and lot on the report to protect
your fellow officers. That happens a hell of a whole lot. Scott,

(31:34):
go ahead, it happens all the time, and good copsy.
The problem with that debate about good cops versus bad
cops is a subterfuge for the reality, and that is,
if you are on the police force and you know
a bad cop and you don't report him, you are
complicit in his negative behavior. I'm sorry, that's the reality.

(31:55):
So there are no good cops if they know bad
cops and don't do anything about it. Secondly, to my
colleague on the panel, don't ever use, in my opinion,
that's statistic about one percent, because there's no way for
you to measure how many black men and women have
been abused by the police that go unreported. If you will,

(32:16):
I've been abused by the police at least five times,
and I guarantee you I'm not on the statistic. I'm
not in any report whatsoever. I would say nine percent
of every black person has had a bad experience with
the police. They don't come to protect and serve in
my neighborhood, whether I'm rich or poor. They come because
they don't see us, and it's not to protect them serve.
It's maybe so we've all had these bad experiences, So

(32:39):
don't use that statistic anymore. It's very, very misleading. Most
black men have had those negative experiences because of the
thick blue line, because they don't see us as human
beings and they treat us worse than animals. Well, and
the fact of the matter is we've seen the various
stats when it comes to um, what actually happens in
these departments, the billions and billions of dollars being spent

(33:03):
on police settlements and happens over and over. Now, of course,
we're not trying to defund the police either. We're trying
to We're trying to reappropriate funds so that the community
policing and other programs can get rid of crime as
opposed to having to solve that pride, We should never
say we want to defund the police. We want to
reprogram funds to make the community more power powerful and

(33:25):
partnership with the police's programming. Thank you, Roland. UM, if
I could just say, this is really quick, you know, so,
so I respectfully, I don't like to be told what
I should not do or what are telling me what
not to what not to use. So just to kind
of push back on that, just a tad bet um.
First of all, the statistic is based off of reported

(33:45):
crimes and reported issues, and I think we all know that. UM.
We also know that obviously if you don't report something,
then it won't be included in this. So as a
black man, don't say that you think produced the police.
Let finish place and if it's okay, I think you
should encourage our young people to report their crimes and
they are in a situation where they are being being

(34:08):
abused for whatever reason needs to be reported because in
that statistic now increases and it causes us to have
more of a foundation that stands on. Just because you're
not reporting, it doesn't make the data wrong. So this
is obviously based on what is reported. I think we
all know that. Here's one second. Here's here's where we're

(34:29):
standing right now again. Seventeen year old white boy uh
in jail no bon accused of murdering two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Uh.
There's been all different types of fallout. People are responding
in different ways. Here is democratic nominally, Joe Biden, what
I saw in that video makes me sick once again.

(34:52):
A black man, Jacob Blake has been shot by the
police in broad daylight, the whole world watching. You know.
I spoke to jacob mom and dad, sister and other
members of the family just a little bit earlier, and
I told them, justice must and will be done. You know,
our hearts are with his family, especially as children. It's
horrible what they saw watching their father get shot. Like

(35:15):
Gianna Floyd, they're asking why why daddy put yourself in
the shoes of every black father and black mother in
this country? And ask is this what we want America
to be? Is this the country we should be? You know,
as I said after George Floyd's murder, protesting brutality is

(35:35):
a right and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is
not protest. It's needless violence, violence that endangers lives, violence
that guts businesses and shutters businesses serve the community. That's wrong.
In the midst of this pain, the wisest words that
I've heard spoken so far have come from Julia Jackson,

(35:58):
Jacob's mother. She looked at the damage done in her
community and she said this quote. This doesn't reflect my
son or my family. So let's unite and hell do
justice and the violence and end systemic racism in this country. Now,

(36:20):
I would run a statement from Donald Trump, but he
hasn't actually released one. Now today, with his breaking news,
the NBA has postponed all the playoff games today. It
started off with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Atlanto Magic
did this here? This was supposed to be game time.
This is the video an empty court. The Bucks players,

(36:43):
of course they located forty miles from Kenosha. They said
they simply could not play a game today because of
what happened to Jacob Blake. They also said the general
manager came out and said there will be no statement
from the players. That statement alone speaks volumes. Later, the
Houston rock it's in Oklahoma citya thunder announced they are
not going to play. Then you also have the l

(37:04):
A Lakers and the Portland Trailblazers They're not going to play.
This is significant. You have not seen this in decades
of a sports team choosing to boycott a game, not
delay the game, but simply not play at all. To
bring attention to the case of Jacob Blake, the black
man shot seven times a Kenosha, Wisconsin cops. On Sunday

(37:27):
last night, l A Clippers coach Dot Rivers gave an emotional,
emotional speech about the issue of police brutality in America.
Spends out to me, is um just just watching the
Republican revenge the convention and this this viewing this fear. Right.

(37:52):
Oh you here Donald Trump and all of them talking
about fear. We're the ones getting killed. We're the ones
getting shot. Uh, we're the ones that were denied to
live in certain communities. Um, we've been home, we've been shot,
and all you do is keep hearing a fear. It's

(38:22):
it's amazing why we keep loving in this country and
this country that's not loved his back, And it's just
it's really so sad, like I should just be a coach.
And it's so often reminded of my color. You know,

(38:49):
it's just really sad. We gotta do better, but we
gotta demand better like we got. You know. It's it's
funny we protests and they send riot guards, right, they
send people in riot outfits. They go to Michigan with
guns and they're spinning on cops and nothing happens. The

(39:12):
training has to change in the police force. The unions
have to be taken down in the police force. My
dad was a cop. I believe in good cops. We're
not trying to defund the police and take all their
money away. We're trying to get them to protect us,

(39:35):
just like they protect everybody else. I've held daily Republicans
talk about fear. We're the ones that need to be scared.
We're the ones having to talk every to every black child.
What white father has to give his son a talk

(39:55):
about being careful if you get pulled over. Yeah, this
is the tweet the NBA sent out an hour ago.
The NBA and the n b p A today announced,
in light of the Milwaukee Bucks decision to not take
the floor today for Game five against the Orlando Magic,
Today's three games Milwaukeere, Orlando, Houston, okay See in l

(40:16):
A Lakers in Portland have been postponed. Game five of
each series will be rescheduled. Joining us right now is
Vincent Goodwill, senior NBA writer for Yahoo Sports, Howard Bryant,
journalists with E S P. N. Howard, I'll start with you, Uh,
the reason that Doc Rivers video last night were so
powerful now follow up by this action of Milwaukee Bucks

(40:37):
is Doc Rivers knows this personally. In his home in
San Antonio was burned to the ground as a result
of a racist act. Jermy, no question. I mean I
think that if we're we're at right now, there's just
no question that the countries coming apart and We've been

(41:01):
talking about this for months, and a lot of us
have been talking about this for years. If you go
back to trade on this generation has been talking about
this for almost a decade. And I think that you
are in a spot where people have been asking, well,
are you going to be about it? And when you
have this reset after George Floyd, you have Black Lives

(41:21):
Matter painted on the court, and people say, well, you know,
this feels like a real embarrassment for the NBA. I
can't think of a more appropriate time for them not
to play. If, if any of this matters, if any
of this is beyond sloganeering, this is the moment. This
is the time where you say we actually need to
make some form of statement. And I think Roland, you

(41:42):
and I talked about this for years. This is what's
been This was the this is what the NBA avoided
over Donald Sterling, an actual playoff boycott. This is what
was avoided during the restart, where a lot of players
were saying we shouldn't play like George Hill of the Bucks.
And now you've reached a point where you can't avoid
it anymore. It's right here, Vincent. There were so many

(42:02):
people were saying Can we just get back to sports
and get away from all this stuff, all the protests,
the George Floyd and the wake of that. Can we
get away from all the politics? But these are black
athletes joined by white partners of the Allies who are saying, no,
we can't step out on that court after what we

(42:24):
just witnessed take place in Kenosha, Wisconsin, located forty miles
from from Milwaukee. This reminds me when Trayvon Martin was
shot and killed by George Zimman in two thousand and twelve.
Folks forget Sanford is not far from Orlando, and the
reality is I was one of the people, Vincent who
was critical of the of the Orlando Magic players for

(42:47):
not doing a damn thing. And I remember I was.
I was one of the folks who was like talking
about it and pushing it, and I was tweeting Lebron
and tweeting Dwyane Wade and hit them on d M saying, yo, man,
here's the moment the kids from Miami and then they
released that photo of all of them as players in
the hoodies. This is where athletes are saying, We're not

(43:07):
just gonna shut up and dribble. Yeah, I think the
levies of this type of racism, we can say that
it's been going on for a long time and now
it's finally broken. Whether it's social media or you have
been of camera phones. This generation is so much more
used to using their voices and demanding more like we're
we're always reminded of the MLK quote about the moral

(43:30):
arc of the universe bench towards justice. But it but
it's reaches long. The problem is white folks know that too,
and they keep leaning on that. If this generation is
looking at and saying, wait, the Civil Rights Act of
nineteen sixty five, are are basically our grandparents now, and
we haven't gotten far enough. We're gonna keep pushing it.
We're gonna try a new play from this playbook. And

(43:51):
I don't know if people have been ready for this,
but I think it's been building for quite a long
time Rolland I don't even know if the players know
what the next step is. I don't know if they
shouldn't know what the next step is or they've leverished
all the power that they have. And here's the other
thing that people do not realize. When your poor power
is a construct above your head. You have no access
to power. When you get a little bit of money,

(44:12):
you understand how power works, even though you don't have
access to power if you're black. So they know what
this means. They know that this is basically all of
their leverage pushed to the center of the table to
show people that they are serious and just the act
of it alone. Who knows what happens tomorrow or through
the weekend. But the fact that they've leverished everything and

(44:33):
they've told America you need a time out, I think
it's admirable. Uh. Let's also keep in mind, Howard, you're
a sports historian, this is not the first time some
players have boycotted a game. Nineteen sixty one, several players
of the Boston Celtics boycotted a game in Lexicon, Lexington,
Kentucky because of how they were treated uh. Bill Russell,

(44:56):
Casey Jones, Sat Sanders, Sam Jones, and Al Butler because
of how Sanders and Sam Jones were a few service
in a coffee shot at the team's hotel. Uh. And then,
according to this story in the Boston Globe Our Box,
the head coach accepted his player's protests and drove the
five to the airport. Yeah, no question. And let's also

(45:18):
not forget something else that today is the anniversary of
Colin Kaepernick taken his knee four years ago. And you
do have a generational thing here where if you are
of a certain age, you're reminded of what of of
the impact that players have. If you're not, then people
sort of wonder what all, what is all this gonna mean?
What's it all gonna do? And what we're finding out

(45:40):
is you're finding out the impact of collective action. That
the Milwaukee Brewers Baseball chose not to play tonight and
that sport is seven point seven black. So this is
this moment we're talking about this. We saw this when
George Floyd was killed and we saw all these corporations
get involved and say that they that they were on

(46:02):
board and that this mattered and they were going to
take this seriously. And now you see something like this
happening and you realize that slowly, slowly, slowly, you're beginning
to see more collective action. It's gonna be very interesting
to see how this plays out in terms of the
diplomacy that's taking place with the NBA right now, because
this is this a one game thing is this? Is
it too? Is it a week? Is it? What is

(46:23):
taking place right now and what conversations are taking place
because we know of it's with the National Football League,
the first impulse of the of the NFL would be
to crack down. So I'm really going to be interested
in seeing the the conversation between power and access, how
that plays out, and when the NBA realizes or if

(46:44):
the NBA realizes that that partnership with the players is
still the way to go. Uh, it's very, very difficult
for the NBA right now to say that all of
this matters and then not back the players. Everyone's gonna
be in this together right now, or it undermines everything
that we've seen for the last eight weeks. And of
course Vanson, You've got one of the members of the
Dallas Cowboys who said he is going to take a knee.

(47:06):
Jerry Jones is trying to get him not to do it.
He's trying to say, hey, how why boy, you kneel
before the national anthem and stand up for it. Guys
like Jerry Jones, big time Donald Trump supporters, big time Republicans,
are not listening to players. And here we are as
Howard said, four years after Colin Kaepernick and the shift,
the tide has shifted. A majority of Americans agree with

(47:29):
Colin Kaepernick taking that knee. You have people who are
being who are who are waking up. And and to
go back to the point about the NBA, people gotta
remember you had a couple of NBA players have gotten
to it with a cop. One of them had his
leg broken by the n y p D. And so
when people start saying, don't forget that Sterling Brown was
a member of the Milwaukee Bucks when the police beat

(47:51):
him up, right, you know this firsthand. Right, So when
you hear people say, oh, y'all are rich athletes, when
you have it is like Jason Whitlock, Oh this doesn't
affect you. Oh, these players are saying, we might be black,
but we are affected. And so are our brothers and
our cousins and our nephews. Well, here's the thing. Roland
America doesn't want to hear from poor black folks. They

(48:12):
don't want to hear from rich black folks. What type
of black people do they want to hear from? Let
us know, because we'll actually show up whatever demographic of
black people, whether they be athletes, successful people, the lower wrong,
whatever you wanna call it. We'll show up and be
there when we want to be when y'all want to
hear from us. The thing is they don't want to
hear from us. The thing is we shouldn't be paying
attention to bad faith actors like Jason Wooitlocke or people

(48:35):
who just want to have to use the versionary tactics
to turn the conversation into something that is not, whether
it's China or black on black crime, or whatever else
the case may be. Whenever it's time to have a
discussion about police brutality sanctioned by the state against African Americans,
against black Americans, then everybody wants to bring up all

(48:55):
this other stuff. Let's keep the focus on where it is.
And yeah, it is time for the Mary jones is
of the world, the big time right wing guys who
we know where he stands. Don't go out there and
do something like he did two years ago. Wasn't Howard
where on Monday Night football where he knel with his
players before the anthem and some show of unity that
was actually just a demonstration and not anything of substance

(49:18):
out there, and truly stand behind your players, or if
you're the Dallas Cowboy players, defy the owner who signs
your paycheck and stand with what your skin color says
you should. Final comment Howard Bryan, Yeah, I was just
gonna say that when you look at what's taking place
all across the board here, the this is what everyone

(49:39):
asked for, right. You asked for players to be involved,
You asked for players to to take a risk. We
asked for players to do something, to be about something
more than simply wearing a T shirt. And you're starting,
you're starting to see this, and I think that what
I'm really impressed by is the fact that the players
could have tried to negotiate with Adam Silver this time.

(50:00):
They did a conscientious strike and they said we're not
playing and they're actually leading. And let's also not forget
the w n b A is contemplating doing the same.
It's a collective action, absolutely, Howard Bryant. It's a good
will Jim, and I'll stally appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
All right, we wanna go wanna go back to my
panel here, Jennell. I want to start with you. Uh
you look at the w n b A. Uh they

(50:22):
were very clear in terms of those players, uh speaking
out against Black Lives Matter Yet centator Kelly Lawfler, co
owner of the Atlanta Dream, who was critical of them,
critical of the w n v A. Now you have
these players here, Well, here's a deal. Are these people
still human beings? Can they not use their voices to protest? Uh?
Your take on not only the Bucks players doing this

(50:44):
along with the Magic, the Rockets, the Thunder, the Lakers
in Portland, but also the Milwaukee Brewers. Uh. They they
also made it clear when the closure said we simply
could not be silent. We must take a stand on this.
These are athletes who are making it perfectly clear we
simply not just shut up and dribble the basketball. Yeah. So, um,

(51:05):
I'm I'm interested in seeing, you know, the outcome and
the results of this one night of boycotting. Um. I'm
also interested in seeing what happens as a result of
all the rioting and everything as well. I know the
gentleman that was on um said that that was on
before said that they are taking a new approach because
you're not seeing the change you want to see. So

(51:27):
I'm interested in seeing what's the outcome of these this
new approach. What do you think it should be? What
you said the outcome? What do you think the outcome
should be? Are you're saying you're interested in seeing what
the outcome is gonna be? What should the outcome be?
Because they're protesting, they're protesting the actions of police, uh
and others. So what outcome do you want to see? Yeah? So, well, okay,

(51:48):
so the outcome that I would like to see is
more black people get engaged in the political process as
it relates to running for office, as it relates to
that's actually happening. That first of all, that's actually happening
to actually happen, but not not to understand. You said
I'd like to see more, but the reality is this
year show a dramatic increase, especially black women running for officers.
But go here, what other outcome do you want to

(52:09):
see from what the players are doing? Yeah? So I want,
like I said, I want to see more people run
for office. I want to see more people elect African
American shares and their departments. I want to see programs
and opportunities where we can do more community policing. I
want to have more discussions. I mean, my my myself
was recently appointed to the Board of Corrections UM here

(52:30):
for the State of Georgia. So I know I'm gonna
definitely be involved and being a part of that as
far as looking at what this process is is like,
as it relates to human trafficking, as it relates to
police brutality, as relates to anything that's in relation to
the Department of Corrections. So I know I'm doing my
part um and I didn't have to march in the
street to do that. However, I do think that if
we work together and understand that this is not gonna

(52:52):
take that that a solution is not gonna come from
one side or another. We keep talking about Republican versus Democrat,
but I don't think the Democrats can do this along
own or Republicans can do this alone. So I think
at the end of the day, we just need to
work together and be come up with real solutions. And again,
like I said, I'm all for if there's some type
of drastic change and we're able to litigate, you know,

(53:13):
the hearts of man as a result of you know,
our boycotts and our marching. I think that's great, but
it's very difficult to legislate heart issues hate is going
to be hate. Evil is going to be evil. People.
If they're racist, they're going to be racist. I would
love for us to come up with some type of
of of tests that we can administer to police officers
that tell us whether or not they have hate in

(53:34):
their heart. But all I know is that at the
end of the day, we have to keep it real
and understand that people are going to make bad decisions.
And what we need to do is make sure that
we're doing the best thing possible to elect people and
put people in positions that serve in the right interest those.
I mean, we can look at their past records, you know.
I mean, look at the prime example. We have a

(53:56):
new DA here in in Georgia. I thought, that's awesome,
Fannie Willis, this is what I'm talking about. This is
a change we need to see. But we didn't get
here overnight, so we can't expect the change to happen. Well,
let's be real clear. You said you didn't have to
march and protest to get that appointment, but somebody black
did marching protests for you to get that appointment. I mean,
so to act is if somehow but no, no, no,

(54:16):
but you you said that you didn't have to. But
the whole point is somebody did something before you came along,
before you were born, for them, right, right, for me,
very much right. So the point I'm making is protesting
in marching today does indeed lead to action. It has
been more than three months since George Floyd has died.

(54:37):
You have seen, You're seen a reckoning, Robert, among a
number of people, number of corporations, a number of ad agencies,
a number of political outfits as well, because people are
demanding folks stop closing their eyes. You have seen this
reckoning has been taking place after the Genner six, after
Trayvon Martin. So people wanted the thing to be sped up.
But the reality is this here. America has never done

(55:01):
anything for black people unless they were forced to. And
that's what folks are responding to. So guess what When
people did march peacefully, a lot of folks were real quiet, Robert.
But it's amazing how people start responding when stuff does
get burned down. I'm not saying do it. I think

(55:22):
it's I don't think it's good for us. But I'm Jelle.
You can say your head all you want to, but
I can walk you down history. I can walk you
down every single civil rights act that was signed in
the nineteen sixties, every single one was preceded by black
blood being spieled, was preceded by riots, which were instigated

(55:43):
in nearly every case by police brutality. You can talk.
We can go down the line sixty four Civil Rights Act,
sixty Voting Rights Act, sixty eight, Fair Housing Act. We
can go down that line. America, Robert for some reason,
only responds to violence, curating and the words of the
words of h Brown violence. This is Americans cherry pie.

(56:05):
Uh So, this is nothing new in this country. But
to Jane's point, I do think it's important for us
to realize that we have to stop pretending that getting
Donald Trump out of office is will the solution to this.
We cannot continue to simply say vote Democrats, that will
solve all your issues, because guess what, When Obama was
in office, we had the same problems. When Clinton was

(56:25):
in office, we had the same problems Helen Carter, and
when Kennedy were in office, we had the same problems.
With Kennedy famous said I can solve your issues with
the stroke of a pit, the stroke of my fountain
pen and we still haven't had these issues since then.
So in addition to getting people to vote, in addition
to making sure that we enfranchised people and we stopped
voter suppression, we stop voter intimidation. UH, in attention to

(56:47):
training and funding and so on and so forth, we
have to make sure that we have an agenda which
is set in stone, which is non negotiable, which anybody
who feels the need to campaign for the black community
understands that this that's to be met. I don't care
how many wonderful fluff pieces you can put our performative
justice that you like, like to articulate. Ram Paul spoken

(57:08):
the RNC conventional as he has single held handedly held
up the anti lynching legislation in the Senate, how the
health and we're still fighting over anti lynching. And Robert
and guests, who's quiet? Guess who's quiet about that? A
whole bunch of black Republicans, a whole bunch of fun.
And so here's the deal. So here's my whole deal.

(57:29):
Say you're absolutely right, no one, it's not true. Please
show please, okay, please please Janelle Janelle, Janelle Janelle, Please
show me where black Republicans have actually re released a
statement or held a news conference or a zoom call
standing in unison to say Rand Paul, you should stop,

(57:50):
you should get out of the way of this act.
Has it That hasn't happened. So here's the thing. When
it comes to Black Republicans, You're not gonna see a
stand up and that's not well. If you finish, I'll
explain to you what we're doing. The Scott just poking
to this morning. I sell in the panel this morning
with the American Jewish Committee and we talked about that

(58:11):
big particular piece of legislation um SO and so there
are a number of Black Republicans who are supporting that,
Geron Smith, there are a lot of Black Republicans. But
here's the thing. We know, and we've seen over time
that standing up and doing press conferences and creating spectacles
have led to absolutely nothing. So what we're doing is
working behind the scenes. So believe me, it will get done.

(58:31):
Here's a deal, of Scott. Here's a whole deal, Scott Scott,
here's a deal. Anything in return, No, here's a deal.
On this show. On my TV one show, every time
we talk about vot of suppression. When I say the
Black Republicans when you are gonna say something, oh no,
when we really don't get together, don't really say anything together.
So we're working behind the scenes. It's amazing how it's

(58:52):
a whole lot of talk about behind the scenes, but
don a damn thing actually happened. The reality is thousand
people released from prison that because of our behind this
Oh no, no, whole love right there, see right there,
I see this. This is one of the mistakes that
you also made. No, no, no, actually, let me let
me correct you, because let me correct no no, no, no,

(59:13):
no no not American, no no, no, no, no, let
me correct you by that particular bill. First of all,
the bill that was passing the House was very weak.
When it went over to the Senate, it was held
up by Durban Booker Harris also Grassly because they said
this has to be greatly improved. The bill that Republicans

(59:35):
wanted to do was a jail reform bill. When they
got to the Senate, they said, no, this a coming
through the Democratic Senate, coming through the Senate unless you
change this bill. So this whole notion of and that's
seven thousand. But I would have loved for you black
Republicans when it was a stronger criminal justice bill that
Obama had proposed. I would have loved y'all have to

(59:57):
gus to challenge Tom Cotton and Jeff Sessions and the
Republicans who blocked it, because that was a much stronger
criminal justice reform bill that was there for the taking
when Obama was president. But Republicans stood in a way
and a bunch of black Republicans didn't say a damn thing. Scott,
go ahead, Scott, Scott, Scott real quick before I go

(01:00:23):
to Paul Goodlow. Were talking about the hurricane and Houston.
Go well, they worked behind the scenes, which means white
Republicans leave. That's never gonna get to the truth. But Roland,
I want to make sure we understand the NBA. These
these ball players are hurting. You can't look at that
video without becoming emotional and saying why did he shooting?

(01:00:44):
Why did he shooting? And so uh, this is huge
for us because it cost the NBA and the players
and the owner's money. Now we're getting to the American
Capitalism Court and so this makes it huge and we
don't want to that point. All right, folks, gotta go
to break. We come back. We're gonna talk with Paul
Goodlow of the Weather Channel about the hurricane on its

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way to Texas. Also, we're gonna talk to a couple. Y'all,
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glad to have you on the show. Uh, this is
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Texas and Louisiana better get ready. Yeah. In fact, Roll,

(01:04:20):
I'm in Galveston right now, is in Houston yesterday. And Houston,
you know, we're gonna dodge the bullet in terms of
major impact. So we're gonna have gusty winds, maybe some
power outages, so people in Houston will be okay. But
it's been prepared to be without power for a day
or two. The winds come in tonight and they go
down tomorrow. But here in Galaston they have a concern
with storm Searche, which is basically the storm kind of

(01:04:42):
pushing and bringing the water up and then pushing it
on land. And here on the west side of center.
Here in Galveston, we're gonna have more like bay flooding.
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they're all in that kind of bulls eye, getting that
western eyewall. And we had on towards Lake Charles, even Cameron, Louisiana.
That part of Louisiana will see the center of this
Category four hurricane wins nothing. You know, well, it could

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possibly strengthen even more. But bottom line, even if it
doesn't strengthen one more bit, these things don't have breaks.
They're gonna coast down and bring Category four impacts to
that coast. And we're talking a life threatening storm search.
This is wording and lettering from the National Hurricane Center
ten to twenty foot storm search. If you think about

(01:05:49):
what happened with Hurricane Ike here in Galveston, even the
Bolvar Peninsula, they had, you know, over a twelve foot
storm search, and that pushed like twelve to sixteen miles inland.
So we're talking from the coast Louisiana on through I ten.
That's a good miles could see water pushed up, maybe
not twenty the whole way, but we're gonna see perhaps

(01:06:10):
and flooding on I tend tomorrow. It really overnight tonight
and is coming in at the worst time. We're talking, uh,
sometime between say eleven pm local time and maybe three
am local times, so when people are trying to sleep,
there could be death and destruction lapping at their front door.
So it's a big concern for people to hopefully have

(01:06:31):
prepared the best they can and just kind of hunkered
down and I gotta say rolling this the first time
we had a major hurricane this season, but this this
season of also COVID nineteen, So it's a whole new
ballgame here in terms of trying to keep people safe.
The normal shelters not working the same way because you
can't hold as many people. And it's a big concern

(01:06:52):
because you know, people have this ongoing pandemic of the
virus and then you have this mother Nature disaster, this
major hurricane coming on through and I I am very
concerned that people who are stubborn, who who actually also
people who don't have money because of the pandemic now
in other situations, don't have money to leave or don't

(01:07:13):
want to lose their belongings. They will lose their lives
because they're staying in place in areas that will see
catastrophic and life threatening water approached them overnight night in
the middle of the dark. Paul Millo with the Weather
Channel master, weill appreciate it. Thanks a lot, sure thing,
All right, then I'm gonna do this year. I want
to pick up on this here. Just a few moments ago,

(01:07:35):
I thought we were done with the NBA story. But
a few moments ago, uh, form an NBA player Kenny Smith. Uh,
they were actually live on inside the NBA on T
and T and this happened. I think the biggest thing
now is to kind of, as a black man, as
a former player, I think it's best for me to

(01:07:57):
support the players and just not be it tonight and
figure out what happens after that. I just don't question
and I respect that the fact that I think the

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biggest thing now is to kind of just want to
uh just again, go ahead and show you all that
that literally took place about thirty minutes ago. Last night,
second night of Republican National Convention, Melania Trump spoke and
she actually touched on the issue of race in her speech. Interesting.
Like all of you, I have reflected on the racial

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unrest in our country. It is a harsh reality that
we are not proud of parts of our history. I
encourage people to focus on our future was still learning
from our past. We must remember that today we are
all one community, comprised of many races, religions, and ethnicities.

(01:09:13):
Are with the verse and storied history is what makes
our country strong, and yet we still have so much
to learn from one another. With that in mind, I
like to call on the citizens of this country to
take a moment pause and look at things from all perspectives.

(01:09:36):
I urge people to come together in a civil manner
so we can work and live up to our standard
American ideals. I also ask people to stop the violence
and looting being done in the name of justice, and
never make assumptions based on the color of a person's

(01:09:57):
scheme in that of dearing things down daring things down,
Let's reflect on our mistakes, be proud of our evolution,
and luke to our way forward. Every day, let us
remember that we are one nation under God, and we

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need to cherish one another. Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron
also spoke about republicans belief in justice for all and
for Republicans. Our heroes are those who propelled an imperfect
nation ever forward, always striving to make life better for everyone,

(01:10:40):
even as anarchists mindlessly tear up American cities while attacking
police and innocent bystanders, We Republicans do recognize those who
work in good faith towards peace, justice and equality. In fact,
it was General Dwight Eisenhower, a future Republican president, who

(01:11:02):
said democracy is a system that recognizes the equality of
humans before the law. Whether you are the family of
Brianna Taylor or David Dorn, these are the ideals that
will heal our nation's wounds. Republicans will never turned a
blind eye to unjust acts, but neither will we accept

(01:11:25):
in all out assault on Western civilization. One of the
other speakers last night who spoke out against abortion, well,
she also made a video that endorsed racial profiling of
her own son. Emmie Johnson, adopted a bi racial child
and says she is confident that he is more likely
to be criminal than her white songs. I see that

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there is a a disproportionately high number of African American
males in our prison population for crimes, particularly for violent crimes. So, statistically,
when a police officer sees a brown man like my
Jude walking down the road as opposed to my white

(01:12:12):
nerdy kids, my white nerdy men walking down the road,
because of the statistics that he knows in his head
that these police officers know in their head, they're going
to know that statistically, my brown son is more likely
to commit a violent offense over my white sons. Okay,

(01:12:37):
So the fact that in his head he would be
more careful around my brown son than my white son.
That doesn't actually make me angry. That makes that police
officer smart because of statistics. That's a hell of a

(01:12:58):
betting process. Uh, I'm I'm go please go ahead. Oh.
I think this is exactly why we were talking to
earlier segment about statistics, why we need to report more
cases of profiling or police brutality versus just kind of
turning a blind eye to it so that we can

(01:13:19):
change the narrative. Because what she was saying is that
whether it's right or wrong, due to the fact that
the narrative is being pushed and these statistics are out here,
that you can't kind of count on this type of
reaction whether it's right or wrong. I'm not I don't
know exactly where or what where she was going completely
with all of that, but I just think it speaks
to why we need to make sure that we do

(01:13:41):
pay attention to changing the narrative around these statistics and
changing the statistics in general. No, Robert, she's stupid. What
she's saying is that, well, you know, because of the stats,
you know, in his mind, you know, that's like me saying, well,
you know what most serial killers or white men. So
when I counter ain't guy, in my mind, I think

(01:14:03):
he wants to sit here and kill everybody up in
the room. That's how idiotic she sounds. No, at no
point did she say maybe the problem with the officer
is what he should do is properly observed her son,
and if her brown son is doing nothing wrong, then
don't pull his ass over in search of some something

(01:14:24):
he did wrong. Well, girl, I don't know how serious
he can take somebody who has vanilla ice shirt, uh
quote on her T shirt from Ice Ice baby. So
let's take all this with a grant of saying that
that wasn't that wasn't hit song. But go ahead, I'm sah,
but but right. And I think it's important her or
to articulate this because that is the definition of what

(01:14:46):
systemic racism is. What she did with articulate exactly what
black people have been trying to explain for generations, which
is that people in power, white police officers see a
young black boy who's just as nerdy, just as innocent,
comes from the same family, it has the same background
as these two nerdy white boys, but because of systemic
racesm in his belief in the racial inferiority, the innate

(01:15:07):
dangerous nature of an African American. He sees that young
black boy as a threat just because of the color
of his skin, see's articulating systemic racism perfectly and doesn't
even understand it. Again because of Vanilla Ice and I
think what we have to do is take this and
use us as a way to talk to our Republican
friends of why we have to have antibiased training because

(01:15:28):
it's ingrained in them. They don't even know it's in there.
Just like the fear of snakes and the fear of
the fierce fighters. You don't know why you're afraid of them,
You just are. That's how many of these white officers
are when they approached black people. They see us with
that same level of fear because they believe in their
minds statistically that they are more dangerous. When you when
people understand systemic racism, than they will understand America. And

(01:15:50):
when you understand America, you can finally fix it. Scott,
forgive me for having to sit there and listen to
the bullshit coming out Melani at Trump's mouth talking about
our past. She's a birth this is a this is
let's just be let's just be real clear. This is
a woman who literally engaged in racially driven birtherism against Obama.

(01:16:18):
She's never apologized, She's never said, you know, I should
have done that. She's never done that. So excuse me
if I really don't want to listen to what you
gotta say. So here's what she was on joy behard
when she had her show on Headline News. This is
the woman who is not the first lady press play.

(01:16:41):
Do you want to see President Obama? But I've seen
it a certificate of life birth, which they get, but
Milania that if they if he insists on what he's saying,
then no one in Hawaii can ever run for presidents
because they all get the same life birth certificate. Well,
but then that is finished. For example, they need to

(01:17:04):
have and in one way, it would be very easy
if President Obama just sew it. And because it's not
only it's not only Donald who wants to see it,
it's American people who voted for him and who didn't
vote it for him. They want to see that, but
voted for him and who did that vote for him? Okay,

(01:17:26):
you know she's a berth basically and in that clip
she's arguing about it. She's not just saying a mouthpiece
for Donald Trump. But the whole convention for the RNC
has been the height of arrogance and the depth of hypocrisy.
It's like there's this alternative universe where they described Donald
Trump and then she says that you know, we need

(01:17:48):
racial unity, but she's a berther if you will, Uh,
he's anti immigration plans are the worst that we've ever had,
and then put babies in in cages as part of
his immigration plan, and yet he uses the White House
and certifies new afrinew Americans from the s whole countries

(01:18:09):
that he doesn't want. The whole convention is an alternative
reality and completely inconsistent with the policies, the lies, and
the tweets Donald Trump says. And they're inversing it in
a way that makes it seem acceptable and plausible. But
the only people who are buying it is his and
he can't grow from that because we see the very

(01:18:31):
reality as he said anything about the killing in Connoshal, Wisconsin.
Yet because he offered any condolence, according to I was watching,
I was watching earlier. I saw a clip where he
placed a call to the mother of Jacob Blake, but
she did not take the call. But you want to
get your thoughts on this here again, the video doesn't lie.

(01:18:51):
Clonia Trump is a birther, that was a racist BS
nonsense against Obama. Seriously, okay, And she's Obama. We talked
about that. We talk about when she said about Obama.
No no, no, no, no no not actually I'm talking
about both. What I'm saying is I'm really trying to
no no no no no no no no no, I'm
I am on topic. What I'm saying is here is

(01:19:12):
she's standing. Here's she's standing or standing there last night
talking about our past and raising what we gotta do
and blah blah blah blah blah. But she's a birther
and she and she has never apologized. She's never said
I was wrong for that at not one time. So well, okay, So,
so I mean we seem to have forgiven President I mean,

(01:19:34):
I'm sorry we've seen to have forgiven um a number
of elected officials who have said things in the past.
I mean, for one, we seem to have forgiven um
Joe Biden for all the things that he said. We
forgave him for the crime deal, We forgave him for
the busting issue, We forgave him for a number of things.
So it's so funny to me that when it comes
to Republicans, we seem to dig deep into the past

(01:19:55):
to try to justify my Wait, wait, wait on the
point I thought, no, letter, it is deal. First of all,
we saw in one of the base we saw where
we saw one second, we saw where Cinna Kamala Harris
jammed up VP Joe Biden. She didn't let him off
the hook. She challenged him on that. But again here's

(01:20:16):
but again again, But here's the deal. Here's Malania Trump
talking about racial reconciliation, who has never even addressed it,
who has never even as you know, what that was wrong?
Show my breath. When Joe Biden addressed whether or not
he's a segregationist or not, then make sure he's so

(01:20:37):
so so what I'm saying, so so so? Should Malania
address that? I personally don't think she should that. I mean,
if you asked me a question, if you want me
to answer, that can answer ahead. But but it's but don't.
I personally don't think anyone should because we've all made mistakes.
We've all said things, We've all all thought things maybe

(01:20:59):
years ago, and over time we found out something different.
That's what happened. That's the normal cycle of life. So
I personally not want to dig deep into someone's past
and saying that you can't stay talk today because of
what you said. You said that over the birthday. We
have to dig deep for that one. I gotta ask
you all this here, Okay, there's an actual law that

(01:21:23):
says you cannot be utilizing federal employees for political purposes.
Here's a video. Here's a video plot by the Lincoln Project.
I want to get your all response to it. Ladies,

(01:21:50):
a gentleman, the president of the United States. I'm Mike Pompam.
I'm speaking to you from beautiful Jerusalem looking out over

(01:22:11):
the Old City. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the first
lady at the United States. And this is Malaia Trump. Rob, Rob,
and I start with you. There's a law just not
mad to the tele administration. No, no, it doesn't what

(01:22:32):
we're talking about. We've had impeachment hearings, we've had Congressional
hearings on this, but nobody cares about a hatch at violation.
We're getting out of five years talking about a Russian
Pepe tape, foreign agents meeting and Trump power. Do you
think anybody cares about a Hatch Act violator using your
money to put together a commercial on the hatch at
violation of all the of all the howpy of friends

(01:22:55):
already dieted but just lunch again died at lands with
how many people are present, we're talking about a violation.
You can brag half the illustrator Steve Together dude speaking
the night who under a federal in datement for cassuvasion
and something along bo don't care about the HATA violation,
save your money on something like this. Uh, Janelle, I guess,

(01:23:19):
I guess Republican jails are saying that, hey, next Democratic president,
do what the hell you want to do? Forget the
hat chat. Don't run your mouth if y'all do it.
Oh no, they're protesting, Janelle. Do you not go in? Yes?
So I guess we did complete research. We realized that
especially let's speak on Mike Pompeo. So when Pompeia was

(01:23:39):
in Jerusalem, he was not on federal dollars. So that
the issue is hold on what Mike Pompeo wasn't an
iseral dollar. They addressed that before the RNC convention. Okay,
you do know that he's Secretary of State, right, absolutely
addressed that. I saw no ticket. Is he secretary? Is

(01:24:00):
his secred? No? No, no, I want I want no no, no, no,
no no no. I want to know. I want to know. No, no, no,
I want to know. I want to know. I'm going
I want to know. Is Mike Pumpeo Secretary of State
from nine to five Eastern and then from five or
one pm Eastern until the next morning. He's like a
private citizen. It's nine words. What the According to the

(01:24:22):
Hatch Act, it's political activities. You can't engage in political
activities while using federal funding or being as a federal employee. So,
just so you know, this was already addressed ahead of time.
But any election year, this is what they're supposed to do.
Is I'm looking for to more of these commercials. I'm
sure there'll be more. It's as Scott, I'm just curious.
It's Pompeo no longer a federal employee. Not only is

(01:24:46):
the federal employee he was on duty in Jerusalem, he's
secretary of State. First of all, historically Repulicans Delegate, I'm sorry,
Um Scott, State and people diplomat typically don't get into
conventions or get political speeches. That's the first thing. Secondly,
he was on duty, and certainly my tax dollars paid

(01:25:06):
for him to do in him being on duty in Jerusalem.
So any argument to the counter is nonsense, if you will. Now,
Robert is right about one thing they don't care about.
I had that. I've defended people in the government for
Hatch Acts for years, and i gotta tell you, they
just get a slap on the risk they might lose
their job. But with with with with Trump in office,

(01:25:28):
he probably pardoned for a Hatch Act. But they violated
all four of those violations in the Lincoln Project were
not only accurate, but but overwhelmingly and blatant on video.
But but under Donald Trump's administration, nothing will happen there.
And interestingly, the vice president and the president are the
only federal government employees that are exempt from the Hatch Act.

(01:25:48):
I'm just curious, you know, why was he in Israel.
So here's the interesting thing that right as you said
that the vice president president's exempt from the Hatch Act,
but yet outside of second to Pompeio, it was all
the president. It's had president's actions that was in that commercial.
So clearly there was no violation. I don't know, hold on,

(01:26:08):
don't work. Wait wait wait wait, hold up, you're wrong.
First of all, wait wait wait, first you're wrong. First
of all, the first image were on two members of
the United States Marines who were in that particular and
that that they were they were working at the White House,
and that it was a political act what Donald Trump
was doing too. That was no actually no, no, no, no,

(01:26:33):
no no. But if I'm going back, I still want
my question. I still want my question asked why was
Pompeio in Israel? Was he there on private business or
secretary of State? So so I don't know the details.
As she stop there, I I no, no, no, no,

(01:26:53):
wait the answer or not one second? One second? You said,
you said, because I know correct the sentence as complete.
He's because you said no. You start by saying, I
don't know why he was there, right, he said, you said,
I don't know why he was there. Here's why he
was there. Go to my iPad. This is the headline
on Mid East trip. Pompeo mixes diplomacy with the parliament politics.

(01:27:15):
The moment he landed, the moment he landed, he had
a meeting with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin net and Yahoo.
Here he is actually there representing the United States at
Secretary of State. He's not there on vacation. So his
trip to Israel, he isn't he's in it. When you're

(01:27:38):
the Secretary of State and you're in a foreign country,
you're there on work. There's no such thing as Hey,
I'm gonna drop by into a satellite interview because I'm
not at work. No, he's at work. Well, here's the thing, right,
so this is understand, go ahead, go ahead, okay, okay.

(01:28:00):
When it comes to the hatch Ack, it's not as
if you don't have any moments off. I hope you
do realize that, right, it's not four seven. It's when
you're officially, you're conducting official political activities during the time
when you're in a federal capacity or federal dollars. So
if he filmed that that video outside of the time
when he's working, he's not in violation of the Hatchack.

(01:28:22):
But here's the thing. I wasn't there when it was filmed.
But I'm just making sure that we educate people instead
of just kind of spewing these narratives. No, no, we're
pretty much educated. And the Hatchack generally prohibits federal employees
from engaging and political activities while on duty in a
government building, while wearing an official uniform, or while using
a government vehicle. Mike Pompeo is in Israel representing the

(01:28:45):
United States. He's he's duty times. That's a pretty It
wasn't because he was a duty. So so so here's
here's one of the things that that I'm still interested in.
Um and and that is here, Robert, I'll start with you.

(01:29:09):
Um the and and Doc Rivers talked about this here.
He said, you watch this convention he's in in you swear.
Oh my god, every city in America is just burning. Uh.
It's just on fire. People. I had to call my
mom and daddy to make sure they were not hiding
under their beds or in the closet. Uh At at
my Dallas area home. I take to my brother uh
and in Houston to make sure that it was all okay,

(01:29:32):
that the city was not burning down. Uh. Then you
have the South Dakota mayor who says, no mother would
want any of their children to be raised in a
city run by Democrats. Is America completely on fire? That's
going on here? Well, America has been on fire. I
think people are just now starting to see the flames.
That's the issue that for Black America, We've always been

(01:29:53):
at a state of emergency. We've always been a state
of five alarm fire going on in our neighborhoods and
in our community. Lack of job, lack of education, lap healthcare,
lack of assistant capital, lack of resources. UH, and especially
with regards to criminal justice. I don't want people to
get lost in the minutia to the point of forgetting
what we're act to protesting what we're actually fighting for
and what needs to happen. We have federal legislation which

(01:30:15):
has been proposed and passed by the House of Representatives
that has not even come up for a committing meeting,
let alone a vote in the United States Senate. We
have state governments in this country, democratic run state governments.
A matter of fact, in many states that still do
not have the types of protection toward the black community
in place that we're will work to ameliorate the issue
of police brutality on the local level, a city like Atlanta,

(01:30:37):
women me and Janelle are adding on the hood and
Janelle's there and Sandy Springs and ronswell and stuff. But
we have a black, black mayor, black city council, black
county commissioned, black everything, and we still have road cops
and red dog units HACT being used to abuse black
and brown people, and the city has a police brutality problem.
Saying with a city like Chicago, which is a democratic
city which at the police brutality problem, saying thing with

(01:30:59):
New York. We all know about the n p D
or l A and the l A p D. So
on that local level, we have to get those elected
officials who no matter what party they are in, particularly
in places where we have political power, and shortly they
are putting your posties in place. That will help to
create a situation where we will not have to continue
to march and protest and rally and eventually burn and

(01:31:19):
destroy in order to get attention upon it. We should
be able to use the ballot and not just the bullet. Janelle,
I love Scott, stop talking when I called somebody else, Janelle, Yeah,

(01:31:40):
uh no, I just I think it's hilarious how Robert
talked about me living Sandy springs at him in the hood. Okay, Robert,
you live in the hood. Um. So here's the thing
when it comes to what's happening right now in America
just in general, and comes to what in consideration with
what DC Rivers was saying, at the end of the day,
I am kind of tired of hearing people who are

(01:32:01):
wealthy telling me about what's happening in the black community
when they have little to no involvement until after the fact.
The reactionary responses are getting old. I think what we
should do is focus on our leaders and our community
leaders if you want, if we want to call them that,
and actually give them, ask them to give us some

(01:32:21):
type of solutions. What did you do to succeed? Because
at some point we have to address the fact that
we're talking about individuals that have found a way to
succeed in this racist America where this time and this
time where it just seems like there's no opportunities, no chances,
no that the world is burning down, all this doom

(01:32:42):
and gloom, but for some reason they seem to succeed.
We had an African American president had an African American first, lady,
I mean, there has to be a pathway to success
if we keep seeing in other people, can we duplicate that?
So here's let me let me speak to that, because
very interesting when I whenever I hear that particular point, uh,

(01:33:04):
and folks say, well, you know, what did you do
to succeed? Janelle? Here's the point when you're black, what
you don't want to have to do is why can't
I succeed without my blackness getting in the way? Why
do I have to jump over unnecessary hurdles when somebody
white doesn't have to. You talked about succeeding. No, no, no, no, no,

(01:33:27):
no no no no, no no no, it's not a
major assumption because I'm gonna give you an example even
even that, no, even a lot of challenges, no no, no,
never that no no. But did they go through challenges
because of their whiteness? Um, I don't know any black
people that's really going through challenge Well no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. So so so let me no no, no, no,
the right way wait wait wait no no no no,

(01:33:50):
And see that's right, you're wrong. So let me help
you educate you. So you understand. You might sit here
and say, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, yes,
I'm gonna educate you on that you clearly don't quite understand. Becau,
I'm gonna give you an example that's actually real. Even
though I can sit here and say, oh, I have
a show, and I've been on the CNN, I'm on
TV one, and I worked in different places when I

(01:34:11):
When I was in College of Texas, A and M
working at in turning A, kBT X Television and Brian
College Station Texas. They had an opening for a weekend
sports anchor. The previous guy left to go to another city. There,
the assistant sports director, the sports director, the five Pimp
executive producer, the six PM producer. They were all like,

(01:34:32):
this is a no brainer. John should go to rolling.
This is a no brainer. Job should go to rolling.
He's been killing it. He could do the job. The
white news director Jeff Braun, and yess I'm using his name.
Jeff Braun wasn't gonna happen. He's one of his friends
who was an investigative reporter at the station. Alice Brown

(01:34:52):
took me on a walk and proceeded to tell me
Jeffer's not gonna hire you because that white news director
had a run in with a black man a decade earlier.
This white news director said he was not going to
give me the position if he had already made a decision.
Had nothing new with talent, had nothing to do with

(01:35:14):
work ethic, had another newer education. Gave the job to
one of my classmates who couldn't even come near me
when it came a skill set. Now, I was discussing
this with a guy who later came to the station,
and he was like, you know, I know you bring
it up, but you succeeded despite that. I said, what
was it the Wait a minute, hold love, I said,
why did I have to endure that? Because if y'all

(01:35:37):
say it's about talent, if y'all say it's about education, well,
then why is it that I did not get the job? Too?
That impacted me economically because that was a job that
was denied to me as a result of my blackness.
And so here I was in college where I could
have had a paying job versus in turning at the

(01:36:01):
station for free, but I didn't get it because of
my blackness. Now that also means that when I graduated
that I also impacted because had I gotten the job
in college, then when I graduated, I then would have
had a certain skill set on my resume that could

(01:36:22):
have actually impacted the future jobs. So what black people
are saying is that even when you are successful, when
you are black, you have to actually you can't. As
Reverend Jackson said, if they playing on a goal ten feet,
our gold is thirteen feet. They are playing on the
court that's ninety four ft long. Our court is a

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hundred and thirty feet long. And every time when you
talk about opportunities for the African Americans, it's always some
other excuse. Well, how folks necessarily get along? And let
me also put this out here. You talked about a
black man becoming president. With third Good Marshall became the
first black Supreme Court justice. Races up in the criminal
justice system did not go away. When Doug Wilder became

(01:37:04):
the governor of Virginia, the first African American electricis reconstruction,
Racism did not just go away in Virginia. When the
Vault Pastrick became the governor in Massachusetts, racism did not
just go away when he became the governor. When black
folks became mayors, and became kind of commissioners. It all
didn't lead. What black folks are simply saying, you know,
is why in the hell in a nation where y'all

(01:37:26):
want to say we all equal within, why can't you
apply that when it's time for us to get opportunities?
And so I'm not done. I'm not I'm not done.
I'm not done because see, since you talked about well
to do, African Americans should be saying something. Do you
understand if there are I'm not not to say this

(01:37:50):
is where you still missing because you because even when
are an experience, I'm talking right now, I'm talking right now.
I'm right now, Janelle, Janelle, Janelle. I'm gonna let you talk,
but you're not gonna talk over me. I shut Scott
down and Robert when they were talking over you. So
you're not gonna talk over me. Even when you are

(01:38:11):
successful African Americans, even when you look at the case
of what where we are eight eight trillion dollars as
under being investing in this country when African Americans not
even managi point five percent of the eight eight trillion.
When you have African Americans the data you earlier talked
about the data what the data shows. The data actually

(01:38:31):
shows that firms led by black and brown people do
a have a much hower rate of return than those
led by white folks. So why is that black folks
are being locked out of that in this country? Even
when you are a successful African American, you still are
having to deal with the reality of race. All black

(01:38:52):
folks are saying is that Dr King said, be true
to what you're said on paper. If you truly want
to say, let's be a nation where it's equal and
it's about freedom, but then don't sit here put the
barriers in front of Black people that you put u
that we have to deal with. And so even when
you are successful African American, hell, we want to be

(01:39:12):
even more successful. We want to make the same money
that Bill o'reiley making, Sean Handy make and other people
like that. But what happens is that doesn't happen when
you're black. Now you can talk, okay, so I guess
I can say I'm sorry that happened to you. You're
gonna tell me, I'm just gonna we didn't go here,

(01:39:37):
Go ahead, go ahead, okay, I'm sorry that happened to
you here in college, I mean like I said, we
all have a story, we all have a situation, we
all have something, we all have a reason to have
an excuse not to succeed. My thing when they come
to young people, when we come to when when it
comes to African American people, when it comes to young
people in particular, when I talk to young people, I

(01:39:59):
am tired of us selling them the sad story, telling
them that because we had challenges when we were younger,
or because we had to overcome things, that that means
that they can't succeed. All I said, when you decided
to lecture me on and feel like you have to
educate me on the history of being black and if
I'm not black, all I said, All I said was

(01:40:20):
why can't we provide information to young black people that
educates them on how they can become successful? Why can't
we encourage them? Why can't we tell them that, yes,
there will be challenges, Yes nothing comes easy, but if
you put discipline on it, if you operating an excellence,
if you if you decide that you're gonna win despite

(01:40:41):
these challenges, you can't do it. You know why, because
a number of people haven't a question are you? Are you?
I know I'm just a guess and you're a woman.
Are you just want to thought that you? Are you
a woman? Are are you a woman? Are you a woman?
And I complete my thoughts? Are you? What? Are we
going to another subject? It's the same subject, because see,

(01:41:03):
if you're a woman, I'm sure you tell me I'm
trying to change something. I'm sure I'm doing. Is encouraging
crime to encourage you to be great? Can you believe this?
It's a crime to encourage you I'm doing. And you

(01:41:24):
proceed to tell me why I was wrong for saying
that we should educate black people should succeed you. We're
gonna say success blood period that I'm sorry that happened
to you. But believe me, there are a number of
people who don't look like us, that don't come from
the same place to become from that experienced a number
of challenges. I had that same story getting me by

(01:41:45):
an Indian woman that in India. So believe me, I'm
telling you it happens worldwide. And this is not black culture.
Challenges is not anonymous. Here's the thing. It's not a
question of challenges, Janelle, it is an issue of racist
When you're a woman, are you telling me that when
you're talking to young women, you're not talking to them

(01:42:05):
about the realities of sexual harassment and sexism in the workplace,
or you only saying, hey, what your harassment doesn't only
happen to women. So when I talk about when I
talk to women about the success of women, I talked
to them about how to be successful. I talk to
them about things that encourages them. The last thing we
need is black people in this in this world, is

(01:42:27):
to be told that we are not good enough, or
that we are not gonna be able to have something.
Like you said, we can't be Sean Hannity, Yes we can,
and I'm not gonna tell people that we can't. That
may be your realization, that may be the limit that
you place on yourself, but that's not a limit I
placed on me, because, for one, I don't answer to
to this world. I don't answer to white men, I

(01:42:49):
don't answer the white women. I answer to God, and
I believe that I have the opportunity to be successful.
I refuse to embrace that mentality. I refused to encourage
that mentality. You can do that, but That's not something
I'm going to do. Right. So I so I take
it when Michael Steele was chamber of Republican National Committee, Scott,
when the white folks on Capitol Hill called him to

(01:43:11):
a meeting and then told him, uh, look, we don't
need you talking about politics, justin the party stuff. When
they actually in the party changed the very rules to
where he couldn't approve any expenditure over five thousand, and
he blocked that as well. Michael Steele will tell you Janelle,
as a black Republican what he learned when he became

(01:43:31):
the chairman. Excuse me, when he became chairman of Republican
National Committee. He might have been the chairman, but he
was still black. Scott, go ahead, Yeah, you know, um,
underlying systemic racism affects all of us if you are
a person of color. And whether I'm a wealthy attorney

(01:43:53):
or successful attorney and have all the accouterments doesn't mean
I haven't been racially profiled. I've been profiled by the police.
I've been abused by the police. And despite my despite that,
I've become a success. That's what's missing from that at
last dialogue. Secondly, whether I'm wealthy or not, I can

(01:44:15):
still see injustice. I can still see ratio violence by
the police against black men, and I certainly have a
human interests but a moral obligation to speak out against it.
My conservative friends and GOP for ins tend to think
that if you're successful, what are you complaining about. I'm

(01:44:36):
successful despite the racism I've had to endure and overcome,
and if I made some money along the way, God
bless me. But that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. That
doesn't mean the perpetrators have gone away, as Roland said,
whether we've got a black president or black managing partner
at a big law firm, and Janelle, you did kind

(01:44:57):
of start out saying that, but we are just as qualified.
I am just as qualified as a young black kid
who may be committing a crime in Southeast Washington and
being abused by the police. Are suspected because I've been
thrown down in front of my George down home by
the police when an alarm went off. I've been stopped
in my very nice car, asked and asked by the

(01:45:19):
police where am I going? And I'm fifty eight years old, right,
didn't do nothing, but that Brooks Brothers suit didn't do
nothing exactly. And you gotta you have to now you
have to give them, give us that because I agree
with you. I meant their students more House Howard students.
I mentor young kids, and I give them the same

(01:45:41):
message that you talked about. I don't tell them they
can't make it because of racism, but I give them
the tools to say, you can make it an overcome
systemic underlying racism, because we've got to be real about that.
If you don't incorporate that in your mentorship, then you're
failing these young people. And so hopefully one and more
of us will succeed just by racism. But the racism,

(01:46:05):
racism is gonna be there no matter what. You can't
ignore that. Robert. I read a story, Robert gonna you, Robert.
I read a story on Robert Smith, the wealthiest African
American in the country now anywhere from five to six billion, Robert,
and he was talking. It was the story was about
him and what he's done, and he talked about how
it felt to be driving his Rose Royce headed to

(01:46:30):
the airport to get on his private ghodstream jet. Then
the owns. But he's having to sit there at a
traffic stop because the cop just saw a black man
driving a Rose Royce has happened multiple times. The interesting
interesting thing, as Janelle was talking about successful African America
and all that sort of stuff, Robert, do you know

(01:46:52):
really when racial profile he became a national story? No, no, no, no,
but Janelle, we all heard what you're saying. Racial filing
became a nationalist No, no, no, no, no, it's not negative.
Here's a deal. Racial profile, Robert, racial profile, Robert. No, no, actually,
you're wrong. What I'm not doing that. What I'm saying

(01:47:13):
is I see I encouraged every single day, but one
that I'm talking to, Robert, Robert, he's a deal. The
reason racial profiling truly became a national story, it wasn't
because poor black people were being stopped by cops. It

(01:47:37):
was because middle class and upper middle class Black people
who were driving nice vehicles were being stopped on the
New Jersey Turnpike. That is when it became a truly
national story. And so for all their success America, these
cops still saw them as Dannie sue Dannie education. I

(01:47:57):
see you driving expensive car. You clearly got it by
legal needs. Robert, go ahead, you want to speak, well,
look on kind of to Jannelle's point of Jennelle is
one of the hardest working political strategist I have ever met.
She goes up to the grassroot level. She is a
prominent voice of the Republican Party. She stays all those
slings and arrows of being a black conservative in the

(01:48:17):
current media environment and really gets out there and dusted
things that you're supposed to do as a political operative.
And if she was a white woman, should be speaking
the Repolican National Convention right now. But she's here with
us because of the issue of being an African American
in this country, and then the the issues of being
an African American in this country, and this idea that
we have to do twice as much work, twice as

(01:48:37):
hard to get half as far. The entire point of
the movement is understanding that the only way to change
the hearts and minds of individuals, it's a change the
legal framework. Before you had the public accommodation, for example,
the only way to get white people to understand that
it was okay to be around black folks WI you
change the legal framework first and then change and then
that changes the hearts and minds of the individuals. Because
we discussed that earlier Similarly, now, once we put a

(01:49:00):
ego framework in place that will change those statistics, that
will end the criminal industrial complex, that will end the
over policing of African American communities, that will end the
systemic racism and injustice as experienced by many people in
this country, then we won't have to tell this story,
as Jadelle said, tell this story to people about what
they can't do, because we would have eliminated the barriers

(01:49:20):
that are in place, so they really will be a
free and fair country. We all are trying to form
a more perfect union, but I don't think anyone's believe
that we can get there by simply ignoring the imperfections
and moving on. Robert, my friend, Robert, you are my friend,
but I'm not gonna allow you to downplay where I
am tonight because I'm not speaking at the r n C.

(01:49:40):
I do a lot of wonderful things. I've met the
President in numerous times. I've spoken on the platform with
the President of numerous times. So I am by no
means thinking that I am in some sort of way
being being shaded or pushed out because I'm not on
the same other people a chance. I've spoken with the
President twice? Are you more qualified than Tiphany Trump to

(01:50:01):
be speak? Are you bragging or complaining about that? I'm
not complaining. I just want to make it sure that
that Robert knows because See, this is the problem that
I have, is that we make it seem like we're
not if we're not getting every single opportunity, that we're
not winning or we're being shaded. And that's not the killer.
And am I qualified to speaking Tippany? I don't compare
myself to other individuals. I do the work that I do.

(01:50:23):
I've accomplished a lot of things, and I've accomplished more
than what most people have accomplished. So I know for
a fact that I do get get the return on
my investment, and I'm okay with the return of my investment.
I don't need to be speaking on the at the
RNC in order to be okay with that. See, here's
the here's the deal. This is very simple. First of all,
there are numerous African Americans folks like me, and we've

(01:50:44):
done it for years. We are speaking to black folks commencement's,
high schools, junior elimentary school saying what they need to
do to succeed. But it's also a reality of also
what it means to be black, because he one of
the things Scott that's quite interesting with the previous generation
doesn't tell you, as Paul Harvey will say, the rest
of the story, all of a sudden, when it hits you,

(01:51:05):
you're grossly unprepared. I've had to talk to a number
of millennials and Gen zs who were like, oh my,
but I didn't think this was actually going to happen
to me. And I had to tell them that even
your Ivy League degree is not a shield from your blackness.
Even you're wearing a Brooks Brothers suit, you might be
wearing your Lubatan shoes, it's not a shield. Now here's

(01:51:27):
the other deal. And I, you know, I get a
kick out of with some white folks and some black people.
Scott would say things like, oh, because you didn't get something,
it's because of your race. But we can also show
undeniably when it did happen because of your race. Here's
my whole deal against good. As Dr King said, be
true to what you said on paper. See if you

(01:51:48):
want us, if that's why loving people say, you're playing
the race card. If you don't want somebody to bring
up race. What damn it. You don't bring up race
because he being black. I don't bring up race. I
don't bring it up, but race gets brought up to
me when it's well, I'm not quite sure about your
perspective on this story and whether you could tell it

(01:52:12):
appropriately or as so that Brian was told by seeing
an exact Well, Roman is not the right kind of black.
Those things, those things are real, those things actually happen.
And what those things do, Scott, They limit opportunities that

(01:52:32):
have nothing new with your skills set. But you're just
not the right kind of black, and they and they
want to base it on some race neutral view or term.
We see it in every industry. By the way, this
isn't a Brooks Brothers. This is something else. But that's
another story. Um saying and and and and the words

(01:52:53):
of Tommy Davidson talking to Joseph Phillips. Republican is strictly
business like you might want to put that ship on
the outside little another bland as grace suit to me,
But go ahead in any event, you know the you
don't bring up race, but when you walk in a room,

(01:53:14):
you're speaking race because they see the color of your
skin and they can't say they're racially blind anymore. But
with that comes certain perceptions by people that don't look
like us. And I gotta tell you, they perceived that
we are not as smart as them, We don't work
as hard as them, we cannot handle We're not as

(01:53:35):
capable of them, we don't have as much money as them.
Our network is not like this. We can go down
the list. Now. That doesn't bother me per se because
one thing, um my colleague said is that we may
never eliminate racism from this country. So America is never
going to reach its greatest promise of freedom, justice and equality.

(01:53:58):
But but here's the deal, right, I should not be
the exception to the rule in the legal field. I
should be one of many successful lawyers who happened to
be black. Not that I'm a great black lawyer, because
that qualifies my success and my capabilities, But in in

(01:54:18):
a room full of people that don't look like me,
my success is qualified despite my title as a managing partner,
despite my title as a rainmaker, despite the fact the
majority of my clients don't look like the people on
this on this show right here, And that's gonna be
a perpetual, perennial problem. Now I don't make that stop

(01:54:42):
my drive for success. So I've got to talk about
racism to young people. But then I've got to talk
to them about what is your plan for success despite racism?
Because that's the only way I'm gonna bring along other
lawyers who are great and talented, successful who happen to
be black, but are more than capable against those in

(01:55:04):
the courtroom who don't look like them. And when I
preach both Robert and Robert as somebody who owns a
black media company, I would love for ad agencies to
judge us on the merits of what we do. But
when I also know within ad within ad agencies, they
assigned a higher value to white viewers than they do

(01:55:24):
to black viewers. So they create these metrics. But then
even when they create the metrics and we hit the metrics, Robert,
they still go but that black viewer is not as
desirable as the white viewers. So therefore, we're going to
pay you a higher amount of money for a spot
if you target a white consumer versus you target a

(01:55:46):
black consumer. That ain't me just making something up, that's
that's that's me Robert being real honest with a black
media entrepreneur that do understand they are going to pay
them a higher CPM, and they're gonna pay you because
they have decided that that white viewer is more valuable

(01:56:08):
than the black viewing. That ain't me. That's their system.
Robert go ahead to two points. I think we have
to address one. As Condolza right said, Racism is the
fundamental birth defect of America as a part of us,
has woven into our society, has woven into our culture.
To denying existence is to deny the existence of America

(01:56:28):
as an institution. We never had a Truth and Reconciliation
Council as they head in South Africa. But whever we
cut off reconstruction after a little over ten years, so
we never really reconstructed the African who was enslaved in
this nation. And therefore we are still dealing with the
shrapnel of that initial explosion of blackness into America. So
until we confront this from a systemic aspect, from an

(01:56:50):
economic aspect, for social and political aspect, then we're going
to always have these issues. And I think that the
discussion weren't having as a two parts of the same story. Yeah,
we have to give the positive image and policy misses
what we can do in America while concurrently fighting against
and inheriting racist and segregationist system which the what seeks
only to see the quote unquote Western civilization. Every time

(01:57:13):
I hear what black person say Western civilization, I look
at them sideways because I trying to say, they're not
talking about you. What they say save Western civilization, They're
saying from you. That's that's what the idea they're trying
to save it. They're talking about wrong, not Nigeria, not Ghana,
not cly O. So understand what you're doing when you're
under where you're parody other people talking point. We have

(01:57:35):
to make sure that this society, which is infected from birth,
actually stands up and lives up to its creed, and
we can only do that by changing the legal framework.
Second point, you gotta get a plug in before we
run out of time to On Friday, we're doing a
town hall with Robert Redfield, the CDC director, to talk
directly to the African American healthcare community. You'll be doing
on the fireside chat with Reverend Jackson at eleven a

(01:57:58):
m um to sign up for that zoom car woof
the CDC Director to talk about African American healthcare with
Leo McDougall from the American Medical Association, Dr debrah for Holden,
Being of Public Health at Michigan State University of Reverend
Jesse Jackson go to Rainbow Push Atlanta dot org. Uh
General final comment Janelle fine comment, they's cutting me off. Scott,

(01:58:20):
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