Ceasefire Fails, SCOTUS OKs Unjust Deportations, Rep. Green Impeachment Bid, Crockett Rips Oversight

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The United States Supreme Court has just given Donald Trump
and the Trump administration, particularly his UH immigrations are Stephen
Miller racist, a significant win on immigration. Now, the government
can deport migrants to so called third world countries without
giving them a heads up, a chance to call a
lawyer or provide an explanation as to why going back

(05:14):
to the countries they are from could be dangerous. We're
talking about people from places like me and mar Kubai
and Vietnam. Some were almost sent to South Sudan. In fact,
they were back in court today the Supreme Court to
get a clarification on the ruling yesterday, which was a
short unsigned order. These folks, eight of them, were almost
sent to South Sudan, a country they've never even stepped

(05:37):
foot in Trump's strict deportation policy is back, at least
for now. We'll be talking hopefully in a moment with
our good brother Ellie Mastaal who is Justice Correspondent for
the nation. And while we're teeing that up, as I said,
the order, which we'll talk about in the minute, he'll
walk us through that and some of the activity that's
taking place today, We're going to go straight to our

(05:58):
regular Tuesday Night quorum of folk. UH, all trusted, reliable voices,
Doctor Mustafa Santiago I leave, former Senior Advisor for Environmental
Justice at the Environmental Protection Agency and here in Washington,
d c. Our good brother Larry Walker, doctor Larry Walker,
Associate Professor, University of Central Florida, Orlando, Florida. Brother Walker,

(06:20):
that associate, I smell some tenur in promotion, Brother, congratulations
of m told you for and UH, I think there's
some tenured in promotion in the air. And we all,
we all three of us, all four of us know
what that's is in the UH. And of course, rounding
out the Tuesday the Tuesday Night panel, our good sister
doctor NEB. Carter, Author, Associate Professor at School of Public Policy,

(06:43):
University of Maryland, one time professor colleague at Howard University
here in Washington, d C. In fact, Neomi, let's start
with you, sis, Uh, this court is wild. And what
do you make of the recent uh now, the Supreme
Court uh overturning the lower courts. They the Boston judge
that said, wait a minute, you can't just send people
out the country without hearing nothing. What do you make

(07:05):
of this latest development?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well, I mean, I think you know the Supreme Court
is intent on giving Donald Trump whatever he wants. I mean,
southsu Darin is not the country for president. So the
fact that you would send people for not citizens who
know nothing of this country, uh, and with no institutional
context to keep them safe bring them back, it feels

(07:31):
like just intent on helping Donald co all kinds of
international laws. So I didn't know what to make other band,
the Supreme Court is just as as the president.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Indeed, indeed, in fact, I'm glad, I'm glad actually Dot
that you said that, because we've got our brother who
I'm sure has just finished to hit somewhere else. He's
everywhere once these days, he's ubiquitous, and that's hur our
friend and brother, Professor Ellie Msta with the Nation magazine. Elie,
you there, brother, can you hear me? I think he's there. Oh,

(08:08):
there he is. Okay, we got you, got your thumb up. Okay,
good to see you. Man. A doctor Carter just teed
it up for us. You know, we're trying to make
sense of this latest ruling. We saw the descent, of course,
as sonya sort of man. Your is not playing on
that bench, and neither is katanji on Yika Brown Jackson
in these moments. But could you walk us through where

(08:29):
we are right now? There's been some activity at the
court today, in fact, since this story broke yesterday. Give
us a sense of your interpretation of this ruling and
where it fits in the longer arc of what this
administration seems to be trying to do to immigrants.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, So, the first thing that everybody needs to understand
is that this court allowed Trump to violate an international
human rights law, an international human rights treaty that this
country has been a party two for over three decades.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
The treaty is called the prevent you can't send people
to terrorist countries. I'm forgetting the name of the actual
of treaty, but what it says is that you cannot
send people to a third party state without first ascertaining
whether or not that state commits torture, tortures prisoners, violates

(09:25):
various human rights. That's a again thirty year old treaty
in this country. Trump is doing that. He is sending
people to third party states that violate that international treaty,
and the Court said that that's just fine for now.
What they did legally was that they lifted a lower
court in junction that was meant to block Trump from

(09:45):
sending immigrants away in this fashion. And they lifted that
while saying that sometime later, sometime in the future, they
might decide on whether or not Trump's actions are legal.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
So, you know, two three years, there's a.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Good chance that at least two of the Republicans will
come around and be like, actually, we shouldn't send people
to countries where they're going to get tortured. But in
the meantime, Trump can send people to countries where people
are going to get tortured because they lift the Lower
Court injunction on what he's doing.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
And this is what the.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Supreme Court has been doing all throughout the Trump administration.
As many of the viewers of this program knows. Trump
gets defeated all of the time in lower courts. He
gets defeated in front of Republican judges and Democrat judges.
He gets defeated in front of Obama judges and Biden
judges and Reagan judges and Bush judges and even sometimes

(10:38):
Trump judges. Trump gets defeated, loses in the lower courts
like the Jets lose football games, all right, But the
Supreme Court comes in after the fact and basically reverses
those losses, lifts injunctions, lifts the things that were meant
to stop Trump and doesn't agree with what he's saying,

(10:59):
but they say, like, oh, we'll just decide that later.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
And in the meantime, Trump gets to have his.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Policies and have continue his terror campaign against immigrants.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Let's go down that road a little bit, Ellie, Like
you said, they continue to lose the lower courts. And
of course you you've probably already talked about this, the
whistleblower that over a Department of Justice, that's saying that
Emil Bowl was out talking bad in these email streets,
talking about we just just just ignore the law, just
defy the law, and see what happens to us. But

(11:32):
could you spend a minute helping us understand the importance
of descents in these cases. We know it's a shadow docket.
They get there fast. It gets to the court a
quick you know, one or two sentences. But the dissenters
in this case, Justice Soner maure course is joined by
Kagan and Katiji and Yaga Brown Jackson wrote a fairly

(11:53):
lengthy dissent. Why is that important? And what's the difference
in terms of how she's interpreting the law and how
they are interpreting law between that and the majority.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, first of all, cinemai Or and Jackson, they're interpreting
the law. The majority is not like that. That's like
the liberals are interpreting the law. The Republicans are trying
to figure out how to allow Trump to.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
Get away with it.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
That is the key kind of intellectual difference between the
two sides. That's the difference in their project the Supreme Court.
On the Republican side, there are times where not they're
not even pretending to interpret the law. They're not even
keeping up the appearances of having a real legal foundation
for what they're doing. They're just kind of saying, well,
Trump's the president and what can we do well A lot,

(12:41):
And that gets to your question, that's what the descents
are doing. They're saying, there's a lot that we could
be doing. There are various ways that we could be
stopping him. There are various legal codes and ethics and
statutes and precedents that we could be using right now
to stop again, the terror campaign that Trump is on.
But the majority, the Republicans, won't, won't agree, won't enforce

(13:05):
those principles and statutes and precedents right.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
In terms of.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Legal value, nothing, there's not. The dissent has no legal importance.
The reason why people spend a lot of time writing them,
and the reason why they're so important is that they
are what future generations will look for. They are, they
are what the When these cases eventually get overturned, people
will point to these descents and say, like a, actually,

(13:33):
it's the descent.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
That was right.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
The majority got it wrong, but there's already a record
for how we should have interpreted this law or that law. Republican,
they love to point out the one dissenter and plus
e V.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Ferguson right, the one dissenter.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Who said that separate but equal wasn't equal the Republicans
quote that guy all the time, like, see, not all
of us white people were wrong. There was one guy right.
So like that dissent has I stood the test of time.
There are others that That's why Sonaaiora, Jackson and Keagan
write them. They're also do a thing, and I think
that in this moment it's critically important they give the

(14:12):
media talking points for how to understand these Republican rulings
and attack it on a different scale. Right, a lot
of people they don't have legal training, that they haven't
been following the cases closely. But when Jackson or somor
Kagan rights are really clear or really strongly worded descent,
it alerts everybody else, all the non legal media, that hey, something,

(14:36):
something is rotten here, something is At one point, Soma
called it the stench of the Supreme Court. The stench
is pretty pungent here, and the descent sometimes alert the
larger media to the fact that what the majority is doing,
what the Republicans are doing, is not something legally that
they should be allowed to do.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Absolutely well, before we go to uh Mustafa and Larry,
when I ask you one final question, and I'm glad
you brought up the media because a lot of times
people will read the headline or hear the headline and
not realize that the merits the underlying merits of the case.
This isn't what they're deciding at this point, right, So
when Sonya Sindermeer opens her descent by saying, in matters

(15:18):
of life and death, it is best to proceed with caution,
she's talking about the process, right, She's not talking about
the underlying issues. And I wonder if you could help
everyone watching understand that this case has not been decided
on its merits. This is about what rights these folks
have to actually be heard, and they're allowing them to

(15:40):
be deported. Could you just spend a second maybe helping
everybody understand the distinction between a ruling on the merits
and one that's dealing with the process.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
So the best way to understand it is that the
law is super complicated, right, and it's very rare that
you get to this kind of yes, no up down
question on was something legal was something illegal? Courts, I
would say, sometimes go out of their way to avoid

(16:09):
answering that question and instead answer the question was this
done in a legal manner? Was the process we used
here correct, Because if the process we used here was correct,
then a lot of times we don't even have to
get to the question of whether or not the underlying
thing was correct. Right, Like, that's the kind of lawyer's

(16:30):
way of wiggling out of some morally and ethically challenging decisions.
The way that the Republicans use these procedural rules, however,
is again critically important, And I would argue devious, right,
because they understand that on the merits on the actual

(16:51):
moral ethical quandaries that we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
Trump is wrong.

Speaker 12 (16:55):
Trump is wrong about the Constitution, he's wrong about the statutes,
and again he's wrong about the United States's international treaties.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
He's just legally wrong. But by making it a.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Procedural ruling saying basically, well, he was wrong, but he
followed the right process to be wrong, what it does
is that it allows him to continue to do illegal,
unconstitutional things without the court either weighing in to stop him,
but also without the court saying like, oh, we support
the illegal unconstitutional thing, right, because they couldn't get away

(17:28):
with that at some level, they couldn't intellectually get away
with saying, yeah, this treaty that we've had for thirty years.

Speaker 12 (17:37):
It just doesn't matter anymore. The courts can't do that.
But what they can.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Do is say, oh, well, the president is interpreting the
treaty right now, and we can't stop the president from
interpreting treaties, so go on with your bad self, right.
So it lets them allow Trump to get what he
wants without having to endorse what Trump is doing.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
And it's a very thin slice of the salami.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's a very i would say, intellectually dishonest game that
the Republicans on the Supreme Court are playing.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
And that is the other point of the descent.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's that's what sin Mayor was spent a lot of
time in her nineteen pages calling out the majority.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
For doing no question, no question. Appreciate you brother. In fact,
let's let's open it up and let's bring in uh
the rest of our folks tonight. And I'm ask doctor
Ali to start, brother Mustafa, any questions comments engagement here
with with our good brother Ellie Mustaf.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
You well, Ellie, it's always good to see you.

Speaker 13 (18:28):
Thank you for everything you continue to do.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You know.

Speaker 13 (18:31):
It's also interesting how the Supreme Court brought this case forward,
you might want to talk a little bit about emergency
dockets and how you know things that have been lingering
out there often get pulled forward.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Oh yeah, So most of the Supreme Court versus Trump
issue is on what's called the emergency or shadow docket, right.
I mean, there's a very good reason for that. Trump
moves fast. The executive moved fast. Presidents moved fast. Courts
generally move very slowly. Right, And so when Trump is

(19:05):
kind of on the precipice, on the cusp of doing
something horribly illegal, horribly unconstitutional, and as sodomy or put it,
truly matters of life or death. People need to not
forget the plaintiffs in this case who were arguing for
their rights.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
They've already been sent to Djibouti.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
They are trying to litigate their rights from Djibouti with
Trump trying to send them to South Sudan.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Where they will likely be tortured if Trump sits. Now
that Trump has succeeded, right, So the emergency docket is
a way for the Supreme Court to kind of quickly hear.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Matters of life or death. We see it all the
time before Trump.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
We saw it all the time in death penalty cases
issues where abs in a court ruling, it is likely
that somebody is going to die.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
What the court does, however, is that and we saw this.
We can see the difference between Trump and Biden. When
Trump wants to do something unconstitutional or illegal, the court
will do what I said, lift the injunction, make a
procedural ruling on the emergency docket, and say, oh, sometime later,
we'll get to the merits Sunday in the future. Torture

(20:15):
all the prisoners you want, torture all the immigrants you want.
We'll get to it eventually. When Biden tried to do
something that the Court thought was unconstitutional or illegal, boom, like.

Speaker 12 (20:26):
That emergency docket. Let's go, Biden, you can't do it
student loans. Get that out of.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Here, right.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So the court literally acted with more alacrity, with more quickness,
with more speed when it came to preventing Biden from
providing student debt relief than it is when it comes
to preventing Trump from sending immigrants off to be tortured.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Thank you, thank you stuff A fascinat question. I feel
like we're getting a whole law school segment in ten minutes,
which is excellent. That's why there's a black Star Network.
So that is excellent Walker, brother Larry, anything for our
brother Elie, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 14 (21:06):
I want to talk a little bit about this idea
of leaving people nationless, and you touched on that a
little bit, and I guess for me, the bigger question
is what's happening is individuals wherever they're sent to countries
that are not where they were born. And like I said,
this idea of being nationless, what are the long term
implications when it comes to me and being you know,

(21:27):
we look at the UN and policies and pre seizures
relating to individuals in terms of humanitarian aid is support
recognition of individual from different nations and importance of treating
each person like a humanity human being. What does this
mean for you think long term in terms of the
United States is essentially kind of you know, seeing this
is kind of bastion of what democracy and fair and

(21:50):
it is supposed to be. But this is the complete
opposite of that. And what that means for countries in
the future in terms of how they treat individuals that
essentially are nationless.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, that's a really good question and I've got two
sides of an answer to that. First of all, we
are a rogue nation right now, and I feel like
most Americans, most Black Americans, kind of have always understood that,
and now perhaps white Americans are catching up to the
fact that we're the bad guys. We're the menace on

(22:21):
the world stage. You don't just have to look at
what we're doing to Iran. You can look right now
with this court case that again, it is a violation
of an international treaty that we've signed on to for
thirty years. This is a human rights violation that we
are now a party.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
To as a nation.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
We are a failed rogue state that is a bad
guy on their international stage, and other states that want
to be bad guys now can look to us for cover,
can now look at us and be like, oh, look
how America treats it's prisoners, we can do the same thing.
Looks how America treats it's on document immigrants. We can
do the same torturous, horrible things. And again for black people,

(23:01):
that has always been the case. I mean, the other
countries have always said, you know, look at how America
treats its black people, And now they want to lecture
to us about morality like other countries have always known that,
we're making it extremely obvious right now during the Trump administration.
So that's one side of the answer. The other side
is a thing that you know. I don't know that
a lot of people knew that we did to immigrants

(23:22):
before Trump, but we did this to immigrants before Trump.
The idea that somebody comes here, right, let's say it's in.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Violation of our laws.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm not going to get into a whole debate about
what our immigration law should be. I think most of
them are done. But whatever, in violation of our laws?
All right now, the immigrant says, well, you can't send
me back to my home country because if you send
me back there, I will be killed. That is why
I fled there in the first place. I was fleeing
terror and violence.

Speaker 12 (23:51):
And the immigrants claim is so good, is so reasonable,
it's so provable that the immigrant gets ad judge, to
a an actual federal judge.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
To agree, Hey, guess what, we can't send them back.
They'll be tortured and killed. And so that our government,
and not just Trump's government, Biden's government, Obama's government, Bush's government,
our government, says all all right, Well, we can't send
you back to your home country because this judge says
they'll be tortured.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
So we're gonna send you somewhere else, somewhere that you're
not from. You don't speak the language, you ain't got
no family. We're not gonna let you stay here, which
is where you came to. We're not gonna let you.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Stay here where you have violated our laws. So the
rational play would be for you to be punished here,
since we're the country that we're.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Saying you violated.

Speaker 12 (24:35):
But no, no, no, we're gonna send you to a random
ass nation.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
To be to be punished.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Trump has added into the mix, a random ass torturous nation, right,
a random ass you know. L Salvador has developed an
entire revenue stream around imprisoning and torturing illegal immigrants. That's
like that's part of their GDP now right, and to
South Sudan is not far behind, so we're you know,

(25:04):
it's like when America has too much garbage and we
try to find another country that's going to take our
garbage instead of dealing with it ourselves, we pay somebody else,
because that's what America does to take our garbage. Right,
you can imagine the kind of countries that are willing
to take our excess immigration problems.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
They're not you know, the leaders and human rights around
the world.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Right, We're not sending people to like the South of
France because the French are so much more revolved than
we That's not that's not what's happening, right. We're sending
people to countries in political or economic turmoil who need
the money and are not going to treat our detritus
particularly well. And that's what's happening, right, and that's what

(25:48):
people need. That's that's where I think some of the
moral outrage has to come from what we're doing.

Speaker 12 (25:55):
If this person has established they can't be setting back
home because they're in too much danger, why can't they
stay here and fine, stay here in jails, stay here.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
And whatever stupid thing that we're gonna do. But why
can't they stay here or at least we can guarantee
one would hope, some access to civil and humanitarian rights.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, so before we before we take our first break
of the evening, I want to ask Neambi to come
back around. If she has anything you want, If you
have anything doctor you want to ask our brother before
we before we go to break. And of course, just
as we were going on air, we got news out
of New York that the federal courts have told the

(26:40):
Trump administration to facilitate the return of Jordan Melgar Samaran
some An, of course, exactly what you just said, Ellie
is saying that, hey, listen, if you send me to
El Salvador, I could really get jammed up. So the
federal courts, at least the lower level in New York
have just said he is of course joining Kilamar Ormando
Lego Garcia, who was returned was returning recently, So I

(27:03):
be anything for for.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
L Well, hey, Ali, it's been far.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
So you were talking a bit about convention for sure,
and that's basically out and so now we're becoming a
model for all the wrong reasons. But you started talking
about this, this loophole, right, uh, that the Supreme Court
is essentially said, yes, Trump can exercise But what do

(27:31):
we think about this or how do we think about this,
especially in a legal framework where this does become potentially
a revenue stream for other nations that essentially and I
have these other people to do whatever they wish to

(27:53):
do with it.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
How do we talk about this, I mean, we're all in.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
You're talking about basically the plot of like fifteen different
dystopian sci fi novels, right where you have an entire
economy based on imprisoning on people. But we also know
that that entire economy doesn't just exist in these other places.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
They don't just exist in els aalbad Or and Sudan.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
We know that we have our own private prison complex
complex that's a billion dollar industry that profits on the enslavement.
Because let's always remember the thirteenth Amendment applied to everybody
accept prisoners, right, the amendment that ended slavery apply to everybody,
accept prisoners, right. And we already know we have a

(28:37):
billion dollar industry based on the forced labor of our
incarcerated folks, right. And they do everything from you know,
the standard kind of apocryphal making license plates.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
To picking our food to stalking our shelves right on.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
These are workers in our economy that are unpaid, that
are treated as slave labor because they are incr So
my first answer to that question.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Is that we could start at home.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
We could start by not supporting the private prison complex,
by passing laws that ended the enslavement of our incarcerated Americans,
Like that that would be a good start. But but
but it's difficult to get people to think about prisoners
as humans different sorry, especially difficult to get white people
to think about prisoners as humans. So like, that's one

(29:26):
avenue where we could reform another thing to just I
always want to throw this out there because I think
it's critically important. When you are a lawyer and your
job is to find a loophole in an international human
rights treaty, that's a pretty good indication that you're working

(29:47):
for the bad guys. Right, that's the bat signal of
I work for bad people if they're asking me to
find a damn loophole in an international human rights treaty, Right,
and there's gonna be some lef level of public.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Shaming and disgust for these people, right.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
John Sower, the Solicitor General who was credited with finding
the loophole in this particular case, there's no reason why
this man should be able to go to a cocktail party.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
In DC and not get booed, not get boot out
of the bar, not get booed out of the brunch spot, right,
Like these are these are bad people who are doing
bad things and then don't get treated like bad people,
not only in their courage job, but like when they
wash out of government and they go back into private practice,

(30:35):
private lobbying, whatever, they get to resume their lives as
if they hadn't just spent four years finding new and
interesting ways to torture people. Like to how that also
shouldn't be a thing, right, So I am all for
actual reforms. I'm all for starting at home and reforming
our prison industrial complex.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
But I'm also for.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I'm obviously I mean, I'm not Luigi, I'm none
violently in all that, But I'm all for shaming the
people who spend their nine to five trying to figure
out how to hurt people more efficiently.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Thanks Nea, me, and thank you Ellie for at the
last minute jumping in for us. Ellie Mustal, of course
corresponding for the nation, author of Allowing Me to Retort
and the most recent book, of Course, released three months ago,
the best selling bad Law Ten Popular Laws that are
Ruining America. Brother, we're going to have to schedule a
session at the Black Table. Maybe we can get our

(31:38):
friend Martha Jones and y'all can walk us through whether
there is truly a constitutional threat to birthright citizenship. A
lot of people are blowing it off, but I know
you are taking that very seriously. Thank you, brother, Thank
you for joining us here again Roland Martin Unfiltered and
we'll see you again next time.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
All right, very good. This is Roland Martin Unfiltered on
the Black Star Network. We will be right back.

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The wealth gap has literally not changed in over fifty years,
according to the Federal Reserve.

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I'm excited to chat with Jim Castleberry.

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They have created a platform, an ecosystem to bring resources
to blacks and people of color so they can scale
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Even though we've had several examples of African Americans and.

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Other people of color being able to.

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Be successful, we still aren't seeing the mass level of
us being lifted up.

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This week, on the other side of change, Juneteenth.

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The Day about Blackness. It's a very day about freedom.

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It's also a day about talking about justice delayed and
We are not in the business of justice being denied
to us.

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So stick around. You're going to talk all about the case.

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For reparations and the pusher.

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Reparations is not just an economic project, it's.

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A moral project.

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So if we want to live.

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Up to the ideas of this foundation, then reparations has
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Speaker 4 (33:42):
Mark on the Build.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Texas College woman Jasmine Crockett did not hold back during
today's DOGE Committee on Oversight hearing, where she criticized the
agency created well it said it was created to help
Americans for its failure to do so, let's check her out.

Speaker 16 (34:17):
You know what, It's interesting because we sit here in
the Department of Government Efficiency Subcommittee and the most inefficient
thing that we have done since we have had the
invention of this nonsense was the fact that we have
decided that we will not do accountability or oversight over
DOGE because we have failed to bring in the person

(34:39):
who actually runs Doge. In fact, we have decided, or
actually y'all decided that we wouldn't even debate why it
is that we should or should not subpoena Elon Musk.
In fact, y'all are just trying to get rid of
the Musky smell because it wasn't working out very well
for you. And now you want to pretend as if

(35:01):
you are coming in here to do exactly what your
constituents want you to do. But the last time I checked,
y'all didn't want to go talk to your constituents because
if there was one thing they were complaining about, it
was Elin and it was Doge.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
You didn't want to hear those and listen.

Speaker 16 (35:15):
If I had time, I would run the tape, but
only got five minutes because there's plenty of video footage
of all of y'all getting your butts handed to you
when you went home and people told you how they
felt about Doge. So let's talk about it for a
quick second. Americans are looking for help, but instead of
offering it to them, the Republicans have unleashed the most

(35:35):
aggressive attack on the working class families in American history,
and they have been excited to do so. In fact,
they are here today arguing to make all the chaos, confusion,
and destruction caused by Doze permanent. They want hungry kids
to be permanent. They want sicker Americans to be permanent.
They want homeless veterans to be permanent. Shuttered hospitals to

(35:56):
be permanent, disrupted social security benefits to be permanent. They
sold out their constituents to give permanent tax breaks to billionaires,
and they're doing it, and now they want to have
a victory lap celebrating the pain of their constituents. So,
Miss DeVito, let's go through some of the things that
the Republicans have done to see if they're helpful or

(36:16):
harmful to Americans.

Speaker 10 (36:18):
Helpful or harmful.

Speaker 16 (36:19):
Stripping healthcare away from sixteen million people, I would say harmful,
laying off hundreds of thousands of federal workers harmful, Disrupting
or delaying federal services such as Social Security, harmful, Medicaid harmful,
not benefits, harmful, cutting billions from agencies like NIH, harmful, EPA, harmful,

(36:42):
hood harmful, FDA harmful.

Speaker 10 (36:44):
All right, seems like you understand the assignment.

Speaker 16 (36:47):
There's an entire agenda, and that is attacking the working class.

Speaker 10 (36:52):
Americans from start to finish.

Speaker 16 (36:55):
And then the thing is, they told us that they
were going to do this, but you know, they pretended
as if they knew nothing about the playbook that was
laid out by good old Heritage Foundation. All of this
talk about louren costs and reducing waste is absolute bs.
Their agenda is about one thing, making the federal government

(37:16):
so weak that they can exploit it for their personal gain.
They're stealing your data to help their companies. They're taking
away your health care and food assistance to fund tax
cuts for billionaires. Their agenda is pro disinformation, pro obstruction,
pro greed, and pro exploitation. If you didn't know, that's
what DOJ actually spells out. D disinformation, oh, obstruction, g greed,

(37:40):
and e exploitation. And Congressional Republicans have been complicit in
this agenda. They've helped this administration terrorize the public. They've
allowed this administration to launch the country into a war
without congressional approval. And while we're talking about saving money,
let me tell you just dropping those few bombs in
one day, that was the beginning of what is going

(38:00):
to be a very long bill for us. As they
talk about being efficient. There was nothing efficient about doing it,
and maybe if there was some consultation, maybe with those
that say have constitutional authorities, since we care about the Constitution,
then maybe we could have saved the American people, not
only money, but the lives that are now at risk.

(38:21):
As we have to put out warnings for American citizens
in this country and abroad, maybe we need to start
leading with the people at the middle of what it
is that is guiding.

Speaker 10 (38:34):
Us, instead of following one person.

Speaker 16 (38:38):
The reason that people like me say things like y'all
are in a cult is because somehow people are abdicating
their duties and abdicating the very people that put them
into office.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
But I got thirty seconds.

Speaker 16 (38:51):
They've allowed this administration to still congressionally approve money money
for cancer research and food delivery to vulnerable communities. They've
allowed Eli Musk to infiltrate your medical records and banking data.
They've allowed this administration to ignore court rulings, and now
Republicans are here patting themselves on the back, literally arguing
to make this chaos permanent. So Americans are going to

(39:11):
continue to live through chaos and destruction that has been
occurring every since he's were in in January. And I
hope y'all remember who caused this, because it wasn't.

Speaker 23 (39:20):
The general ladies.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
Time has expired.

Speaker 16 (39:22):
The Congressional Republic had general ladies.

Speaker 10 (39:25):
Time has expired.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
All right there, let's cut that down. We don't need
to hear the congresswoman from wrestle Mania, oh her voice
at all? Uh, Doctor a Lee. The brother was stopping you.
You've been on that hill. You and Larry have been
sitting behind these people as they are as they are talking.
What did we just see?

Speaker 21 (39:46):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Walk us through?

Speaker 24 (39:47):
What we just saw man congress Woman Garca. She took
everybody out to the to the woodshed and just let
them have it. I appreciate someone who brings the receipts,
but also really no the impacts that are happening because
you've got a lot of people come up there, talk
a good game, say they care about people, but they're
not willing to stand up for the most vulnerable who

(40:08):
are out there. And now the vulnerable is actually expanding
across our country.

Speaker 13 (40:12):
You know the reality of this situation is DOGE never
was needed because you had the General Accounting Office, you
had inspector generals, of course, and each of these agencies
and departments who have a responsibility to be looking at
these types of things and pointing out where there was inefficiencies.
And the other part of it is you never heard
Elon or the rest of that crew come back and

(40:32):
talk about folks who got contracts over half a billion
dollars in up Because if you really want to look
and see where you know there are some questionable actions
that are happening, that's where you need to start on
the defense side of the equation, where anyone who spent
any amount of time in Washington, DC knows that there's
huge amounts of money that goes into that space, both

(40:54):
dollars that are seen and unseen.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's interesting, like you say, policy wants people do deep
dives and get into the weeds. But I tell you
that the carter and tell me I'll be the gentlewoman
from Texas seems to be getting stronger. I mean, she
already started at a high level, but her ability to
kind of parse data and stitch it together with some
compelling kind of rhetoric put a few good zingers in there,

(41:20):
but keep it at a very high level. It just
seems like she's getting better and better at this with
every hearing. What's your interpretation of those five minutes and
eight seconds we saw there.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Well, look, Jasmine Crockett is an attorney, a very smart
woman when she came there to do her job, unlike
most of her colleagues. And I think that's something that
she's pointed out over and over again when we are
talking about members of Congress, These people who see themselves
like we're talking about, you know, the equals versus the
jets or something, misunderstand what the mission is. The goal

(41:54):
of that body is to deliver policy that is the
best policy they can do for the most of us,
not just for the people who think like them, not
just for the people who vote for them. And what
Jasmin Crockett has done consistently and very well.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Is keep our mind on.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
That as opposed to letting these people you know, do
what they want to do and s get her by
on some you know bs notion of duty and say
what you are is actually dare lift in your responsibility
and you are in violation of the oath that we
take to this nation, but to our constituent.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
And so one of the.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Things she has done is put her foot on their
neck every chance she can get whether it's in the chamber,
it's in the media. And she's getting better because she
understands the place better.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
She is going to be around for me a very
long time.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
And I think people like Marjorie Taylor Green and others
will rule the day because Jasmine Crockett is not a
person that they.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Can roll over.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
She speaks fluently their language, right, She stands how to
get as good as you gets. And the other thing
she does is understand facts. She speaks, as you know,
with data, with evidence, which many of these people have
sort of saida right, we don't need any of that.

(43:15):
We're just going on vibes and feelings. And Jasmine Crockett
has reminded us time and again, not just us in
this body, but us as citizens, that these people are
not doing their job. They're not serving you. And that
is what I appreciate the most about Representative Crockett, because
she does it every single time she has a moment

(43:38):
or opportunities.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Absolutely. Absolutely, Doctor Walker Larry. In the previous life, of course,
you spend time as a staffer on the hill. In fact,
the legislative director. We've seen, certainly since the November election,
some changes in the Democratic party, some buckings, some challenges
that generational wave. Of course, we got our youngest in
the federal legislat you're right now, Maxwell Frost. But then

(44:01):
there's there's the squad. There's AOC of course, and and
everybody from Ilhana Omar and Janna Presley. But then you've
got the Lauren Underwoods of the world and the Johanna
Hayes of the world. It seems as if Jasmine Crockett
is emerging as a very potent mix. I mean, she's
she's a generational kind of figure. She's part of that insurgency.

(44:23):
We saw what happened at the top of the Appropriations
Committee where they were trying to House Oversight I'm sorry,
Oversight Committee. We saw that kind of tussle for power.
And of course, now that that congress person has made transitions,
so there's gonna have to be a replacement. Larry, what
should we be looking for on Capitol Hill, certainly over
the next election cycle or two, in terms of Jasmine

(44:45):
Crockett and how she's positioning in herself and what do
you imagine might unfold in the in the career of
Jazmin Crockett, And why should that be important to us.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
You know, I think this is a really important question.

Speaker 14 (44:56):
I think my colleagues got to it. She's an exceptional communicator,
and you, and particularly when you're in the minority, you
need that.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
I think probably.

Speaker 14 (45:05):
I think one of the good and bad things about
Capitol Hill is seniority. You know, Stop and I both
know this very well. It works because there are a
lot of black fools who otherwise wouldn't get wouldn't become chair.
But the challenge is that it's not necessarily merit based,
and you have to kind of wait your turn. And

(45:25):
you see with some of the people that you that
you talked about Congressman Crockett, AOC Congressman Frost, who is
my congressman, these individuals who, like I said, who are
excellent communicators, are in many respects being forced to kind
of wait their turn. And so you see, you do
see this generational push, whether it's members on the CBC,
c AC among other you know, some of these other

(45:47):
caucuses for a new generation of people who have seen
what we've seen a couple months ago with the election
of Donald Trump for a second term, or realizing that
we need a paradigm shift. And so the guard while
recognizing we're in challenging times. It's not going to easily
give up power. And so it will be very interesting

(46:08):
as we go into the next midterms, and if the
Democrats too take back to the House and you know,
haw king Jefferys becomes the first Black Speaker of the House,
you know, will are any of the foundation is going
to be shaken. And I'm not really sure because once again,
like I said, regardless, this is all focused on seniority
when you talk about the House or Senate. But Congress mccrockay,

(46:29):
like I said, is an exceptional communicator. She's really good
not only for the Democrats but for the House. The
other thing I want to acknowledge the car is that
she's her voice. Whether she's on x or Instagram or TikTok,
there are people who may not otherwise be politically engaged
are seeing her videos and this could have a long

(46:50):
term impact in terms of encouraging other folks from minoritized background,
particularly black women, to run public office.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yes, yes, absolutely, Well it's a real sunshine here at
the beginning of summer, so we need to continue to
stay tuned. That's a good point. Therey I mean, she's
certainly drawing attention and the substances there as well, so
a potent combination. We're going to take a break for
a moment. When we come back, we'll talk about what's
going on in the Middle East. Roland Martin Unfiltered will

(47:18):
be right back on the black Star Network.

Speaker 25 (47:24):
This week on a Balance Line with Doctor Jackie. We're
talking space, family and fatherhood, from rebellion to rebuilding. Each
of us has different things in our toolkit that we
need to look at to determine how to establish a
way forward. I know going forward is not easy and
most of you, like some people, don't like change. But

(47:44):
as we talk about it, we grow together, we love together,
we live together, and we laugh together. It gives us
an opportunity to discover how to set the pace for
what comes next. For healthy, happy and whole life, there
has to.

Speaker 18 (47:58):
Be persistent in their lives that show that you care
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builds trust.

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And then once you build the trust.

Speaker 22 (48:07):
They'll begin to open up because you have become their
safe plays that they have to see.

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very different take on June teenth with the one and
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rituals that are a part of our history and the
Juneteenth Holidays.

Speaker 26 (48:37):
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our folks instead of just the red liqueurs marketed to us,
the red sodas and the other things. I mean, why
does the kool Aid man have to sound like Louis Armstrong?

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and make sure your financial contributions is what makes it
possible for us to be on the air. All right,
let's turn our attention to potential World War three. There's
a lot of uncertainty right now whether the ceasefire in
the so called Middle East will be upheld by Iran
and Israel. After the deal was broken, rockets were still flying,
both sides blaming each other for breaking the agreement before

(49:58):
it even had a chance to hold. Looking here the
Iranians celebrating ceasefire victory over Israel. The UN Chief has
weighed in again, saying that Iran and Israel must respect
the ceasefire. Israel is saying now, diplomacy will happen soon.
Whatever it be, being Yahoo is very good. It's starting wars.
Senator Bernie Sanders has said that Yahoo should not be

(50:20):
dictating US policy. We've been saying a lot of that.
And of course, Donald Trump just landed overseas at the
NATO conference, even as his own people are saying that
they did not destroy Iran's nuclear program. In fact, maybe
just set it back a couple of months with their
scrambling new or walk that back. Trump's taking direct name
in fact at both governments. I think we might have

(50:41):
some sound there while both Iran and Israel there he is.
Let's pause here and listen to Donald Trump as he
continues to devolve before our very eyes.

Speaker 19 (50:53):
Violated.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
Do you mean that Iron?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
See? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 27 (51:00):
They violated it, But Israel violated it too. Israel, as
soon as we made the deal, they came out and
they dropped the load of bobs, the likes of which
I've never seen before, the biggest load that we've seen.
I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, okay,
now you have twelve hours, you don't go out in
the first hour. It just drop everything you have on them.

(51:21):
So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
Iron either. But I'm really unhappy if Israel's going out
this morning because the one rocket that didn't land, that
was shot perhaps by mistake, that didn't land, I'm not
happy about that. You know what we have, We basically
have two countries that have been fighting so long and

(51:41):
so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do you understand that, Well, maybe they don't know what
they're doing. Because if there's anybody in the world, if
there is anyone in the world who is an expert
on when people don't know what the fuck they're doing.
It's certainly Donald Trump. This is just breaking here at
the United Nations Moscow. Out of Moscow, Russia says the

(52:06):
United States and Israel violated the UN Charter with the
iron attack. It's very interesting to see what's going on now.
China has kind of come down on the violation of
the UN Charter side, Russia has done the same. France
is kind of drifting that way as well. The UK
stood up and saluted, of course, the United States and
Trump apparently sharing a message he got from the head

(52:29):
mark roots of NATO cheering him on. But you know,
this thing is really continue to unfold in real time.
And while both Iran and Israel have acknowledged the shaky
cease fire, no details have emerged about the terms of
the deal or what con concessions rather either side may

(52:49):
have made. The Iranian Foreign minister says negotiations won't continue
unless aggression against Iran ends, and in fact, out of
Palestine message has come pasting authorities saying that they want
a cease fire as well. Mustafa, what do you make

(53:10):
of these developments not only in Iran and Israel, but
in the region and how does this play against the
backdrop of what's going on globally, not just in the
United States.

Speaker 13 (53:21):
Well, it destabilizes, right, everybody's always talking about trying to
find a way to stabilize what's going on in the
Middle East, and these sets of actions are destabilizing and
they have ripple effects. So it puts all kinds of
people's life in jeopardy, right both you know, folks who
are in you know, the countries that are there, but

(53:41):
also all across the planet you now have you know,
you see people in a heightened senses of alert right now,
and different facilities across our country, things that they often
cause Tier two targets, So you know they're increasing the
security there, but you also understand, whether it's the bases
that are across the Middle East or in other countries,

(54:04):
are also now men and women are in harm's way.
So you know, when people don't know what they're doing,
when they don't continue to invest in diplomacy and automatically
just go to a military option, you're placing yourself in
a very precarious situation. And once again, as we've said
before in this show, it shows that these folks are

(54:26):
unprepared for these significant situations that they'll have to make
decisions about.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, no question. I mean, you know, as you're talking
to the question of diplomacy, we know the Joint Comprehensive
Plan of Action, the so called JCPOA that Trump walked
away from, that was negotiating in the Boma administration, of course,
set the stage for this. Everyone is saying, including Tulca Gabrett,
which apparently you know, she was shut out of the
conversation on what to do a couple of days ago.

(54:55):
It's saying that Dan does not yet have nuclear capability,
that they weren't on the verge nothing. Yahoo of course
has been saying that Aaron is on the verge for
the last twenty some years, so we know he obviously
can't be trusted. Larry, thinking about this question then, of
where we are in terms of a peaceful resolution, even
as it's being reported about an hour ago, Rosemary de Carlo,

(55:16):
the UN's Under Secretary General for Political and Peace Building Affairs,
told the UN Security Council today the truth is also
an opportunity to peacefully resolve the nuclear issue. Do you
think that this can reach a peaceful resolution?

Speaker 14 (55:32):
I think it's going to be difficult because the United
States is, you know, consistently, you know, whether it's disagreements
between Iran and Israel, other nations, has at times, despite
our troubling history, play you know, kind of peacemaker. But
it's hard to play peacemaker after you followed the lead

(55:52):
of another country that you know, attacked the nation unprompted.
And I also, you know, you know, doctor Cardis is
also in terms of United States legitimacy as not as
a superpower, but as a diplomatic entity throughout the world. Right,
I think that that you know, particularly the last couple
of months that you know, you've seen the Trump administration

(56:13):
and in many respects, you know, allow their actions to
chip away at whatever capital the United States has. So yeah,
I think that you know, what we have here is
you know, less than two weeks of a period allegedly
to kind of work some things out. But the other
part of this is you've got to get Yahoo to
hold steady. And whether it's been Donald Trump or President Biden,

(56:38):
not that one of those individuals seem to be able
to say even though they're capable, but don't do that.
And if you're not capable to have if you're not,
you know, don't have the ability to prevent him from
these major or minor skirmishes. Skirmishes, then we're going to
find ourselves right back in the same place two months,
six months, eight months, two years from now. So has

(57:00):
to have show a steady diplomatic hand and secondly non
contradictive sus by doing some of the things that we
discussed a few minutes ago. And then thirdly we're going
to have had net Yahoo to hold steady and not
check Iran again.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Indeed, it seems incredibly unstable, but Nnayahou is very consistent.
He's always going to start a fight if for another
reason he's trying to stay out of jail. So, doctor Carter,
I'm thinking about something that you gave a talk back
in December over at Politics and Pros that I saw
posted on the Wilson Center's website, of course, the deserrated

(57:35):
now Woodrow Wilson Center, where you're talking about how you know,
these issues spill out over borders. It isn't just about
countries and flags, it's about people, and with such a
volatile situation in it On and in Israel, but with
a population in that region that transcends those artificially drawn borders.
How could what we are seeing right now lead to

(57:57):
I don't want to say further instability, but how could
it change even the politics of the region. The Yemenis
we've seen the Huthis of course, and Hesbellah and Hamas,
all of them getting support from Iran. But then China perhaps,
I mean, do they re up the Iranians and their
arms and their stockpiles. What are your thoughts on how
this isn't just about Israel and Iran, but it's about

(58:19):
people throughout the region for sure, and I think my
colleagues hit a lot of the major places.

Speaker 8 (58:25):
I think something you said that is.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Really critical is yet we have.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
To understand that most of the reasons why people move
or leave have to do with this kind of instability.
So in fact, we're creating more pressure on the region
because people don't tend to stick around when bombs are dropping,
people tend to flee to papor and countries. People tend
to flee to where they can go. So this is
what pressure on Europe. This is going to put pressure

(58:51):
on other parts of the least and certainly I think
one of the things that the United States is realizing
they'll never admit it is that part of the reason
that China is such a jugg ornaut. It's China moved
into all those places on the continent of Africa, in
the Caribbean, in the Middle East, of the United States
basically walked away from and said we wanted nothing to
do with. And it's not to suggest that China's more altruistic,

(59:16):
but in terms of living up ground internationally, the United
States did that all on its own. And when we
look at what's happened over the last say six months,
since Donald Trump has been in office, we've moved away
from all sorts of international relationships that actually kind of
held the world together and none of us And I

(59:38):
think this is something we don't talk about enough. Have
lived in a world with no United Nations, no NATO,
right that we've not lived in that universe yet, no
World Health Organization we're experiencing now, and so I think
when whether we're talking about Iran or any other place,
one of the things we know is that part of

(59:59):
the reason why Iran is here is because of US
intervention and because the US really participated in creating the
conditions for Iran.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
To look like it does.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Now or rock to look like it does now, And
it's sort of like we tried to send me subscribe
to do You Break Your Body kind of philosophy, but
we've never actually invested in that region because we're doing
it's instrumental to our own ends. So I think we're
going to create a situation where people will be flooding

(01:00:35):
to other nations that will these.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Other nations will need more assistance.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
And we are doing all of the things that seems
to be uncontraindicated by the politics that Donald Trump's fausts.
So it's going to require more international cooperation, not less
to manage the fallout.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
All right, Well, that got another history lesson, and that
is important. I'm being told we're going to forego to
Brook and go straight straight now to our conversation. Is
that right?

Speaker 13 (01:01:06):
Care?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
All right, very very well. I'm a man of a
certain age, from the hip hop generation. So those of you,
those of you who remember this quote what I'm about
to say, you will remember Big Daddy Kane at the
Apollo Theater, Live at the Apollo, and the MC said
he has a arrived Big Daddy Kane. So I'm not
gonna give you a new nickname, Congressman. But that cane

(01:01:28):
of yours does speak, but you speak louder than the kane.
He has arrived, in fact, one of the most accessible
members of the Federal Legislature, a man who I'm happy
to say it just came back from Galveston. Happy lady
June tenth. Your comrade Al Edwards, of course was standing
there in Ashton Villa Ine on June tenth, there in Galveston,
but a man who has called once more for the

(01:01:50):
impeachment of the President of the United States. I see
your colleagues voted three forty four to seventy ninety day
not to follow your lead, but they'll come around. Is
so good always to see you Congress in al Green.

Speaker 28 (01:02:01):
Thank you, goodness, thank you your brother. It's in order
to be with you, and you mentioned Al Edwards, so
I have to just say quickly please. Al Edwards is
the father of Juneteenth. Yes, I saw him suffer when
he brought that holiday to her attention. There were many
people at the time who thought that that was a

(01:02:22):
holiday for buffoonery. They didn't see it as what it was,
you know, the history associated with it. And he he
knew more about June tenth than most people than most
of it is published. For example, most people don't understand
that and this is from al and now my research
that the people who really liberated the enslaved persons were

(01:02:44):
African ancestry. You know, it was a twenty fifth Army
Corps that came in. And most people say, well, General
Gordon Granger came in read General Order number three, which
did not did not free black people. I mean, if
the freedom, why was doctor the King having freedom marches?
It did not free It acknowledged the need for freedom.

(01:03:08):
It did acknowledge it, but it said go back to
wherever you were, work for whomever you were working for.
I mean, I'm going to go back to this man
the whip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
You know they called it home. Yes, stay home and
work for.

Speaker 28 (01:03:21):
Yes, yes, yes. And by the way, don't come up
to this military base. We're not going to protect you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
And do you know any idle blacks? It said, don't
come in yet, thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:03:32):
Yes, So it really didn't.

Speaker 28 (01:03:34):
I mean it was, but it was really suffered to
get that first state holiday, first state to recognize it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
First Texas of all places, by the way, all places,
of all place was the best place for it. Well,
like you said, I mean we said, because Texas get
worked out the rest of the.

Speaker 28 (01:03:53):
If you can convince Texas, Texas is the only state
to succeed twice because of slavery, Texas after the United States,
you know, but also Mexico. Yes, I mean in Mexico
they would before they would give up their slaves, they said,
we'll leave Mexico. Then they came over to the United
States left. So well, look, just thank you for a

(01:04:14):
lot of minutes. No, no, no, But now I don't
want to in any way to mean Jackson Lee because
he was at the state level and when it got
to the federal level, she pulled it across the line
for the National Hallidapsitute.

Speaker 21 (01:04:25):
But you know, without al, I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:04:28):
And by the way, he was a neophyte first year,
he was a first year legislator. He didn't if he
had known what he couldn't do, he wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Problem.

Speaker 28 (01:04:38):
You know, sometimes you don't know what you can't do.
I mean, your first year you're not supposed to do
things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
But I did. I tell you, man, we were actually
outside of Reedy Chapel A and E when the former
president was there Joe Biden, and what an irony. I
remember standing there in the White House as you stood
there next to the President United States as signed that
bill into law creating the federal holiday something to the court,

(01:05:05):
and that I stood in the back. I was staying
with some White House security. I said, how do y'all
feel about it? And his sister was standing next to
just so, having to be from Texas, and she said, well,
we've been doing this a long time. There's no news
for us. Yes, it's kind of laugh but watching you
stand there and then we'll of course that's not why
you came down to discuss, But I mean we had
to take down because that's your country. No, no, no,

(01:05:26):
that's your part of the country. How important is it
for us now in this corridor between June nineteenth and
July fourth, to use this time to really think about
the possibilities of what this country can be, how far
we've come and how far we have yet to go.
But that's interested in the June nineteenth to July fourth
now can be transformed in terms of us really having

(01:05:49):
that conversation.

Speaker 28 (01:05:50):
Well, I think that you're right, that's a time for
us to do more than celebrate. I think this is
the celebration is good, but there's some commemoration also that
has to take place, and I regret that in too
many places it has become, you know, go out and
buy your June teenths mattresses, big sale, half off Juneteenth mattresses,

(01:06:16):
that sort of thing. I do think that it merits
more than simply saying we were liberated.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
We were freed.

Speaker 28 (01:06:23):
We need to talk about the lives of the many
who were not. And I think that that leads us
into August the twentieth, which is Slavery Remembrance Day. We
have to we have to commemorate the lives that were
sacrificed to two for two hundred and forty plus years.
In nineteen fifty six, Congress awarded a Congressional Gold Medal

(01:06:48):
to the Confederate soldiers then slavers. Surely we can do
that minimum, but their lives have to be appreciated and respected,
and I'll be quite candid with you. Until they are,
we won't get the respect that we merit because our
ancestors are not being respected in this country. We want
and people who want reparations, I'm one of them. We're

(01:07:08):
not gonna get reparations. For people that are disrespected, we
got to first make sure you respect them, and to
respect them, you've got to have a day to acknowledge.
And now we've also a legislation to make it a
month Slaver Remembers month. Here's what's interesting, and this is
not to demean anybody, but we've had Slavery Remembrance Day
up for a long time, and now we got month

(01:07:29):
hip Hop Remembers. Just sail right through the Senate. Just
sail right through now. Look, I'm glad it did not
to demean it, but I just want those senators to
know that there's more to us than hip hop. I'm
not in any way demeaning what happened. I want to celebrate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I'm with them.

Speaker 28 (01:07:46):
But let's get to our people whose lives were sacrificed
to make a miracle great. It's a great country because
you had two hundred and forty six years of free labor.
That's right, and if you're in this country, you benefit
fitting from it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
No question about it. Well, Congress, no, no, no, no.
We all watched Rap and when we go to the panel,
I know that there's gonna be some questions. Fo We're
going to ask you about this. The we all watched
you again once again rise to the floor of the
House and bring this issue before not just the federal legislation, Congressman,

(01:08:21):
but we're going to play it and then maybe you
can respond to it. We got we have the sound here.
Oh okay, very good. We're queuing it up now so
you can see yourself there those at home. If you
haven't seen it yet, we'll show it again in a moment. Congressman. Yes,
this is the third time. Actually it's the fourth, the fourth, okay,

(01:08:41):
walk us through. Well.

Speaker 28 (01:08:43):
The first time was, of course when the president was
first elected and he started to show that he was
antithetical to people of color, to the religion of Islam,
to persons who associated with the LGBTQ plus community. And

(01:09:08):
he was in a meeting in the White House and
he referred to the countries of Africa as s whole countries.

Speaker 21 (01:09:15):
Yes, you know, I mean that didn't settle well with me.

Speaker 28 (01:09:19):
He referred to African American football players as s obs.

Speaker 19 (01:09:25):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:09:25):
Then he really did all he could to hurt anybody
who would take a knee as opposed to stand and
put your hands over your heart. Well, so we brought
articles related to his invidious discrimination, and the first time
we received I think about fifty eight votes. So it
went on from their second time and last time was

(01:09:47):
ninety five votes. And then thereafter you build up so
much momentum with this that at some point the rest
of Congress recognizes that this is what the people want.
What the people want we usually try to provide, and
that when that happened, then he was called for the

(01:10:09):
impeachment as associated with phone calls that he made trying
to get people in Ukraine to do some dastarly deeds
for which Ukraine is still paying for. And so but
now this time it really emanates from I was working
on articles of impeachment against the president and the vice president,

(01:10:31):
and then he decided that he would bomb around without
conferring with the Congress. And there was supposed to be
today a briefing about it.

Speaker 21 (01:10:44):
No briefing.

Speaker 28 (01:10:45):
We have not been given any information about what happened
from sources that are supposed to be able to give
us the intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Can we pause there, because eloies are all side of
this issue. We know the war paras at course in
the wake of the mature administration is secret bombing and embodia.
But you just raised something that we've heard reported. We've
all heard it, but I don't know if we've spent
enough time on that. Congress has their power, has the
sole authority to declare war right, and they can call

(01:11:14):
it an action like they did. I guess career us
and get around that. But no briefing. What's the president
for that congressman?

Speaker 21 (01:11:21):
Has that happened?

Speaker 28 (01:11:23):
I know of no president. I've only been there twenty years,
so thinks so war none of the other got I
recall other briefings, and I don't recall having something as
major and significant as this, and we got no briefing.
I think that, as you know, this president is always

(01:11:43):
trying to keep things from us because he doesn't want
his image soiled, and we will take him to the carpet,
as it were. But so we didn't get this briefing.
But he took us to war, and he not only
did he not brief us then, but he hasn't briefed
us now. And this is clearly a violation of Article

(01:12:07):
one of the Constitution, Section eight Claus eleven.

Speaker 21 (01:12:13):
It's a violation.

Speaker 28 (01:12:14):
And you mentioned the nineteen seventy three of War Powers
Act you know, Nixon was doing all these things without
telling people, so we merit that kind of consideration. But
whether we get it or not, what he did was

(01:12:34):
declare war on Iran. Now some would say, well, how
do you conclude that he didn't say he was going
to war, because if someone bombs a facility in this country,
we conclude that that's war. And we have gone so
far as to say that people who are coming in
from another country called you know, people who are coming
and they're saying they're committing all these kinds of crimes.

(01:12:55):
They've said that they are engaged in war against us.
We're quick to use war when it someone else and
slow to use it if it's us. But the truth
is that was war, and that merits impeachment. I don't
see when the courts can't control him. He defies federal
court orders, including the Supreme Court. When he can deport people,

(01:13:17):
you know, from the country, push them out of the
country without a due process, do you really want to
give him and let him think that he now has
the power to take more than three hundred million people
to war on his own volition. That has to be
checks and balances. That's why we have Article one Section eight,

(01:13:39):
clause eleven of the Constitution, and it says Congress declares war.

Speaker 21 (01:13:44):
So it was very clear for me.

Speaker 28 (01:13:47):
Now, I'm not mad at anybody. I let people vote
however they choose, but this was a voter conscious for me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I tell you, man, the magninity is consistent. You're very
Magnimenians with these votemen. You always keep the col Actually,
as the young people will say. But I tell you,
one of the most electric moments in the speech you
gave him and in introducing this five pays resolution came
for me near the end when you refer to the

(01:14:15):
current governor of Texas who is attempting working overtime trying
to figure out how to jerry mander you out of
your seat, and you said, I don't hear. A couple
of things really hit me. One was you said, as
you said, this is a matter of principle, whether it's
me or somebody else. But you also stress the fact
that opposition will always rise, and if it's not you,
it's going to be somebody who else.

Speaker 28 (01:14:35):
Get you say something, well, that's just the case. You
know that I don't know why the universe is constructed
as it is. But it's constructed such that there would
be another to follow if not to join, and you can,
and you know, it's almost as though that person is
waiting in the wings and just you know, when will

(01:14:56):
it be my time?

Speaker 21 (01:14:57):
And it works that way. You know, people say that
we didn't have leadership after doctor King. I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:15:03):
Jesse Jackson, that brother put in a lot of time.
Andrew Young put in a lot of time. John Lewis
put in a lot of time. That was That was leadership.
Barbia George, Barbara George, Yeah, right there in Texas fifth Ward.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 28 (01:15:15):
So it's it's it's I can't let it be about
me because it isn't about me. It is not it's
about the people that elected me. So I can't let
my election supersede the needs of the people who elect me.
If I do that, then I'm not being principled about

(01:15:37):
where I am. So, by the way, I don't expect
to keep getting re elected. I know that they're gonna eventually,
they'll find a way to do it. Right now, the
governor's or not or nesident. I mean, I was just
reading a book. It's called Lone Star Constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
They say the most progressive and forward looking uses of
the Constitution in terms of the legal battles came out
of the state of Texas. So I'm not sure at
all that they'll be able to do not y'all got
some of the baddest lawyers.

Speaker 21 (01:16:02):
In the country.

Speaker 28 (01:16:03):
Well, now that's true too, but not only out the
state of Texas, but out of Houston, because, yes, sir,
I was in Houston where we were having white primaries, Yes, sir.
And Lonnie Smith, who was a dentist in Houston. He's
the person who filed the lawsuit that went all the
way to the Supreme Court challenging white primaries. But get this,

(01:16:24):
in Texas, when the Supreme Court said, no, you can't
do that, you can't have a white primary. And then
the person who wins the primary Wednesday election, this is
what the Supreme Court says.

Speaker 21 (01:16:33):
And you know what Texas did.

Speaker 28 (01:16:34):
Texas said, Okay, well we'll have a white pre primary,
white pre primaries.

Speaker 21 (01:16:40):
That's true story.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
So you're right Smith versus all right. The African American
Research Library at the Gregory School on Friday just going
a powerful exhibit right there next to Freedman's village reading
about mister Smith yes, don't mess with Texas man. The
black folk down there was say the country, if you
can get.

Speaker 28 (01:17:01):
Out, We've got some people who have really taken some
powerful stands. I'm just gonna mention.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
One person and then we're gonna bring it.

Speaker 21 (01:17:09):
We're all over the place now.

Speaker 28 (01:17:10):
But this is a person who has not received his
just credit for things that he's done, and that's Craig Washington.
Craig Washington is just a powerful lawyer. They still talk
about Craig Washington and Congress. I mean to this day,
his oratory is quoted and people remember how he would

(01:17:31):
take on the Republicans across the aisle all along right
there in the well.

Speaker 21 (01:17:35):
So just thought I would mention him.

Speaker 28 (01:17:37):
He's he out of Houston, great lawyer and a person
who cares about people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Well, I'm glad you did, Charrisman. And we're not at
all over the place at all, because you are standing
in the truth and you're standing for the people, regardless
of background, race, nationality, and what you did this week
regardless and as I said, as we have gone on
the air three forty forty seventy nine, they voted not
to take up the articles, but that doesn't matter. The

(01:18:05):
truth is what matters, and so.

Speaker 28 (01:18:07):
We're at genesis. This is a genesis. The revelations are
yet to come. Yes, sir, we all, in my opinion,
the people that I associated with, we have the same
destination in mind.

Speaker 21 (01:18:18):
But you know, it's like going from here to Texas.

Speaker 28 (01:18:20):
Somebody take a bus, someone might take a plane, another
person to train. We won't get that at the same time,
but we still have the same destination and we'll get there.
So I just see it as a building process. I'm
not at all, not at all moved one way or
another by the number. I'm appreciative that we were able
to get it to the floor so that the people

(01:18:43):
can know and hear some of the things that are
happening associated with this.

Speaker 21 (01:18:47):
War that they might not hear ordinarily.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Yes, sir, well, thank you for coming down the street. Corsman.
I'm going to bring our folks in. Doctor Carter. You've
written about this and your book American Wild Black, among
other things, and please let me get out of your
way see you and have conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Well, I mean for your advocacy in your continued efforts,
and one of the things you talked about a moment
ago was just the incremental part of this in making
sure that you keep this top of mind. What can
we do to support you?

Speaker 21 (01:19:26):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 28 (01:19:27):
I am a person who believes in peaceful protests, and
I think we should promote it. This president uses his
incivility to take advantage of our civility. We can't allow
him to do this. We need people out protesting, peacefully protesting.
I'm not saying damage any property, don't hurt any person,

(01:19:47):
but peaceful protest is a means by which we get
things done in this country. So I encourage it. I
participate in it myself. I'm looking forward to marches that
are already coming up on my calend, so I believe
in it.

Speaker 21 (01:20:02):
And then I would add this. I think that we
have to.

Speaker 28 (01:20:09):
Step out of our comfort zones and talk to people
who don't always agree with us. I have to do
it of necessity because of the work that I do.
I deal with people every day who don't agree with me.
But you know, people come to lobby me for things
that they know I support. I mean, I'm all over it.
And we've got to step into some of those other

(01:20:30):
offices as other people will do and come to my
office and lobby and ask for things. So I think
step out of our comfort zones and take our message
to some additional people that probably wouldn't hear them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Otherwise, Doctor Larry Walker, please for kindness mc green. They
look at that one when you can't hear you, Larry,
I think they got you were don't mute? Can't hear
doctor Walker?

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Oh yes, sir, okay, sir about that?

Speaker 14 (01:21:03):
Uh you touched on this members of the particularly of
the congressional that coffers, you know, the conscious of congress istorically,
and I'm curious in terms of what you you know,
you said it's support how to introduced the uh you know,
seeking peachment of the president?

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
How do you want to remember the sworder?

Speaker 21 (01:21:21):
M you know, I never get that question.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
A lot of history left you written.

Speaker 21 (01:21:28):
Now I'm through busy.

Speaker 28 (01:21:30):
Trying to stay ahead of them to acknowledge that they're
going to catch up with.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Me, But they will.

Speaker 28 (01:21:34):
Uh. I just as a guy who who really it
didn't belong in Congress. There is nothing about me that
says that I should be in Congress. I was no, No,
I'm serious, I don't I stumbled into this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
I didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:21:50):
I didn't earn it.

Speaker 28 (01:21:51):
I really didn't I stand on the shoulders of people
who had ninety pound German shepherds to bite them and
who had high pressure pressure of water hoses to sting them.
You know, loved ones went to jail and some of
them suffered. You know, Medga Evers right there is Trump
door trying to get in this house to do so.
You know, I just remember that a guy who stumbled

(01:22:12):
into Congress tried to do his best while he was there.
And I've never thought that I'd be here this long.
I always figured they would kick me out long before now, because.

Speaker 21 (01:22:22):
I'm as they see me. I'm a contrarian.

Speaker 28 (01:22:25):
I see myself as a liberated democrat, unbought, unbossed, and unafraid.
There are some people, no matter how much money they offer,
I won't take it. I'm not gonna send another dime
to Israel. I'm not Israel has killed I mean under
the leadership of net Yahoo, Yes, sir, they have killed
too many babies. They have hospitals, roads, schools. You know

(01:22:48):
the number of children who haven't had a day of
school since this thing started. So I can't support that.
And some people are going to come after me. Apak
Apak is notorious for coming after people who do what
I do. Let them come and I'll do the best
that I can. But I will leave knowing that I
never sacrificed by principles to get a vote. I'm not

(01:23:10):
going to do that, and I just remember that I
stumbled into it and I did the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Best I could. Absolutely, absolutely. We got a quick question
from doctor Ali. Doctor U stop for Santiago Ali for
Congressman Al Green.

Speaker 13 (01:23:26):
Yes, well, Congressman Green, it's good to see you, and
thank you for standing and never bowing, which is important.
I met you, good, gracious almost twenty years ago when
I was working for John Conyers, and at that moment
I'll heard you speak about the people and the importance
of serving the people. And I'm curious about you've been

(01:23:49):
doing this for a while, and you've been doing it effectively.
How do you take care of yourself? And what would
be your message to others who are out here fighting
as diligently to make real change.

Speaker 28 (01:24:01):
Well, thank you for being so kind. And mister Conyers
was a wonderful congress person. I mean, he got a
raw deal. There is so much to be said about that.
HR forty. You know, John Conyers was a guy, he
was on top of a chairperson of the Judiciary Committee
at one point in his life. I appreciate your thinking

(01:24:23):
that I take care of myself, but my doctor tells
me that, you know, four and five hours of sleep
a night is not enough.

Speaker 21 (01:24:33):
And you know, I wish I could tell you that
I had the best diet.

Speaker 28 (01:24:36):
I try to eat a lot of vegetables, but I
don't I enjoyed fish and foul, so I can't really
advise a.

Speaker 21 (01:24:44):
Person on the best way to maintain yourself. I have
just been blessed, you know.

Speaker 28 (01:24:50):
God has been good to me, and I'm trying to
do the best that I can to repay the favor.
But here's what I would say to a person. I
believe that in our life we should do as best
as we can to not allow cliches like live and

(01:25:11):
let live to become a reality. I don't believe in
live and let live. I believe in live and help live.
Live and help live and let live means you go
your way. I'm gonna go mine. Sorry if something bad
happens to you, you know, just that's the way life is. No,
I don't I think we can help people to avoid
things that can hurt them. So I have a live

(01:25:33):
and help live philosophy. I don't believe that we should
decide that we are going to tell people what they
must do. I try to lead by example. I didn't
ask one person to vote for the articles of impeachment.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yes I won, and yet seventy nine or seventy eight,
I try to join you be a good example, sir.
This is what I believe.

Speaker 28 (01:26:01):
And if you think it's a good example, then you know,
come along with me. And if you don't, then do
what you need to do. So my philosophy is kind
of simple. Don't live and let live, live and help live,
and try to lead by example. You know, it's better
to see a sermon and hear a sermon, you know,
you know, try to be the sermon that you hear. Yes, sir,

(01:26:23):
my grandfather was a preacher. By the way, Well, well
that's clear. He passed that on to you from the
Texas ninth.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Elected by the people of the Texas night but representing
all of us in our common humanity, the great our
Green Congressman, thank you for always being here with us.

Speaker 21 (01:26:38):
Love and happiness, no question for a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Alone. Let's stay together, all right, We're gonna move now.
Roland Martin is going live in Syracuse. He's about to speak.
We're gonna join it live in progress there. He is
resplendent in magenta and gold. We're gonna maybe should be
black and gold, Kinsman green, But that's all right. So
we're going to live to rolling now. Okay, very good,

(01:27:18):
I guess Chiresman. We got a second here. Now listen,
the man is right. You need to take care of yourself.
We know you don't get in sleep because you constantly
if you're not battling there, you're constantly joining us on
the air. How do you think this thing is going
to play out? Now? In the middle least, there's a
tepid truth, so to speak. Well, nobody's being briefed.

Speaker 21 (01:27:40):
When you.

Speaker 28 (01:27:42):
Make more enemies than you kill, you're going to have
long term problems. And all of those babies who are
fatherless now, you know, I mean, are we asking people
to divest themselves of what God has given us to
protect our selves? That's memory? You know, memory is there
for a reason. And I'm not wishing that any of

(01:28:05):
this would happen. I'm giving you a perspective that we
don't hear a lot I think, and that is that
these thousands of babies that are still alive but who've
lost brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers.

Speaker 21 (01:28:22):
I don't know that you can say that that's just
gonna evaporate. I just don't see it.

Speaker 28 (01:28:27):
And I think that what we have done, meaning our
working with mister net Yahoo, mister Trump and net Yahoo,
is convinced convince a lot of people that you need
a bomb, Yes, sir, yeah, I think a lot of
people are gonna say, I'm gonna get me one too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yes, yes, well I tell you that that that that
may be the most important thing we need to be
paying attention to is to fall out coming from this.
So all right, we're gonna we're gonna take a break
here in a moment here on Roland Martin Filter Live,
the Black Star Network. And oh actually no actly, I'm
being told, thank you for going back Roland Martin speaking

(01:29:08):
there for the NAACP in Syracuse, New York. We're going
right to our brother Roland Sebastian Martin.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
Information.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Uh, and we launched the show for the shows and
understand again what happens when you do the work with me.
We're in the Chicago's Democratic natural convention. When you reach
a certain level of YouTube a signed to your own person.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
And they told us that when they grouped us in
the same category as all of the other uh, they
pushed the category of the progressive shows, we don't call
my show is not progressive, it's not conservative. If we're
not liberal, we're not democrat, were not Republican.

Speaker 23 (01:29:42):
We're black. And I say that because we.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
Purposely center African Americans, so we're not a part of
the conversation.

Speaker 23 (01:29:53):
We are the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
And they said they were surprised and shocks when they
tabulated all of the shows that we had the highest
watch time previere out of all the shows, including those
that were far larger than ours. That means that folks
were truly engaged in our content. We've had some thirty

(01:30:16):
six thousand dollars since we started. We don't have any millionaires.
Billionaires were fighting the ad industry every single day, threatening
and forty billion spending annually in this industry get blacked
on the meetings on receiving point five to one percent
of advertising dollars. And that's one reasons why you don't
see the growth among the black newspapers. You don't see
the growth when it comes to my digital outlet. Is

(01:30:39):
the reason why we look at the black cable networks.
You don't see a single news show. The only show
on BET it's a it's a monthly show that's one hour,
and it's a whole lot that happens that we can't
cover it just in one hour per month. And so
that's what we've been able to focus on. And so
so many of you have stopped me and said that

(01:31:01):
you were subscribed to Ruckdown, that you were don her
two hour show. And one thing I really appreciate about
our fan base is I'm very frankly to them. I said, listen,
this is not going to be like you know, PBS
or NPR. I'm not seeing you a hat, a shirt,
a toe bag. No, literally, I seen if you done
into the show. All the money is going back into

(01:31:22):
the show for the content and producing that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (01:31:26):
And we probably have had maybe one hundred people.

Speaker 7 (01:31:30):
Complained about not getting something, but every but the other
thirty six thousand said, what we're getting is the news
every single day from my perspective, and so that's why
it has been fantastic and what we're able to do.
And we're streaming this right now, and that's exists of
the deal. Say, when you own it, you ain't got

(01:31:51):
to ask like I had my sister and I said, hey,
is it recorded me in live street? She said, I
think it's being recorded. Like that's fine. Care of my
own stuff with me. And it's amazing why people you
set your own stuff up? I was like, yeah, why
would I pay for somebody to come with me to
set it up when I can do it in ten minutes.

(01:32:12):
I'm like that, ain't a smart business person that makes
no sense pay for a airplane ticket, a hotel room
or per dim and they daily feed and I can
do it myself. I've been sitting the campers I was fourteen,
because I only don't mean I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (01:32:29):
And so so we always good to go. So we're
streaming right now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (01:32:33):
And then of course we will have it uh, we
will have it available later. Uh. So we're looking forward
to that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
And so again some folks to watching, and again, uh,
this is watching important. So much stuff that's being covered
all the time, so much stuff uh that we uh
that that that we cover, uh, and so we appreciate that.

Speaker 23 (01:32:58):
So let me get to the task at hand.

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
Your subject here, it's called Together, Unstoppable, preserving our legacy.

Speaker 23 (01:33:07):
I'm about to augment that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
All right, everybody, stay tuned here to the Black Star Network,
to Roland Martin's YouTube channel. You can see those remarks
there in Syracuse, New York at the NDAACP, you can
see them in their entirety. Courage everybody to do that,
and we will come back right in the moment here
at Blackstar Network. Roland Martin Unfiltered will continue in them all.

Speaker 25 (01:33:35):
Hi, I'm doctor Jackie of A Balanced Life. Think about
the men in your life and ask yourself these questions.
Who are their male role models? Who can they turn
to for advice to learn about what manhood is all about.
On our next show, we talk about why mail mentoring
is so important to men of all ages. Actor Dendre

(01:33:55):
Woodfield leads an all star cast and panel to answer
this and many other probing questions.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
A woman can't teach you how to be something that
she's not.

Speaker 25 (01:34:05):
That's on the next A Balance Life with Doctor Jackie
on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Next on The Black Table with Me Greg car a
very different take on June teenth with the One and
Only doctor Senata. We'll explore the amazing foods, remedies and
rituals that are a part of our history and the
June teenth holidays.

Speaker 26 (01:34:28):
the red sodas and the other things. I mean, why
does the kool aid man have to sound like Louis Armstrong?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
So I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
An enlightening and tasty out of the Black Table only
on the Black Star Network. All right, my name is
Freddy Rice. I'm from Houston, Texas.

Speaker 10 (01:34:58):
My name is Sharon Williams. I'm from Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Right now rolling with Roland Martin Unfiltered, uncut, uncloved, and
undamned believable in Welcome Back to Roland Martin, Unfiltered. After
twenty nine days of testimony, the prosecution and the defense

(01:35:25):
arrested their cases of their case against Sean Diddy Combs.
Prosecutors called thirty four witnesses, including alleged victims, escorts, law
enforcement agents, and assistance. The defense did not call any
witnesses to testify. Closing arguments are expected to take place
on Thursday and may continue into Friday morning. Combs faces

(01:35:46):
five criminal counts, one count of racketeering conspiracy, two counts
of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, and two
counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. From New York.
We should be hearing whether we're going to a runoff
or not fairly soon. New York City voters have headed
to the polls today to decide who will be their

(01:36:09):
Democratic mayoral candidate. In today's primary, voters have several candidates
to choose from, including the controversial former governor of New York,
Andrew Cuomo and New York State Representative Zahran Mamdani. There
are five black candidates with hopes of becoming the city's
next mayor. If you have not voted yet, you're in
the city, you have until nine pm local time to

(01:36:33):
cast your ballot, so I'll get to the polls if
you haven't gone. Randolph Bracy and Levon Bracy Davis are
taking sibling rivalry to the next level as they face
off in a race for a Florida State Senate seat.
Both come with legislative experience. Levon Bracy Davis served as
a state representative while her brother Randolph Bracy is a
former state senator. Their mother, the late Levon Wright Bracy,

(01:36:56):
was a prominent civil rights activist, even adding even more
wait to the family's political legacy, and their father, by
the way, was also their late father, also of a
prominent civil rights activist. One of their opponents in the
Democratic primary for the district, which includes parts of the
Metro Orlando area, is Alan Grayson, a fiery former United
States congressman who rose to national prominence in two thousand

(01:37:18):
and nine. The winner will face Republican Willie Montague in
September for the general election in the Democratic dominant district.
Black voters make up more than half of the registered
Democrats in the district. A white nationalist and former University
of Florida law student was expelled after posting anti Semitic

(01:37:39):
treat tweets, but not for writing a racist paper about
black people for which he received an award. Last fall.
Preston Damski was given the Quote Book Award Unquote by
Trump appointed judge and law professor John L. Botominte for
his capstone paper. In this paper, dampsk he argued that

(01:38:00):
quote we the people in quote was intended only for
white individuals, and that people of color do not deserve
voting rights. In March, after Damski made anti Semitic posts
on social media, the university suspended him and banned him
from campus wow not for the paper, though, according to
The New York Times, these posts included calls for Jews

(01:38:21):
to be quote abolished by any means necessary end quote,
asserted that Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio were
quote controlled by Jews end quote, and suggested that Guatemalan
undocumented immigrants should be quote done away with by any
means necessary end quote. Hmm, that's what I remember. Now,

(01:38:45):
That's what I wanted to ask Ellie about. We'll have
to have Eli misstyle back because those of you who
don't know, if you don't know about the law, understand
that you may think that's a crazy argument, but you
should read some of the things that these Project twenty
twenty five associated lawyers, including Stephen Miller, who has a
law degree, have written a Georgia jury awards a multimillion
dollar settlement to the parents of a baby who was

(01:39:08):
decapitated during delivery. Trevon Taylor and Jessica Ross will receive
two million dollars in compensatory damages and an additional two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in punitive damages against the
pathologists who posted the video, doctor Jackson Gates, and Medical
Diagnostic Choices in Atlanta. The parents sued Gates in September

(01:39:29):
twenty twenty three for an alleged invasion of privacy, fraud,
and intentional infliction of emotional distress. According to the lawsuit,
neither Ross nor Taylor permitted Gates to share any autopsy images.
Despite that, Gates uploaded several graphic videos to his Instagram
account showing the post mortem examination, including explicit footage of

(01:39:52):
baby Isaiah's severed head and body. We have lost another
one of the greats in world of acting. On Thursday,
iconic actress Alsina Lynn Hamilton Jenkins passed away at the
age of ninety five. She was known for her roles
on the sitcom Sanford and Son, the historic soap opera Generations,

(01:40:15):
and various other programs, including The Waltons There's I'm Dating Myself.
At that point, then, will forever be remembered for her
illustrious acting career, her receipt of the prestigious NAACP Award,
and her outstanding contributions to the entertainment industry. Her legacy
will continue to inspire future generations of black actresses. Let's

(01:40:36):
go back to our panel momentarily before we enter our
final block. Anybody have any thoughts on any of the
stories that we just kind of went through in our headlines.
Maybe we'll start with.

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
You, Larry, You know, doctor Carr.

Speaker 14 (01:40:50):
Before moving to Florida, I was always interested in these
Florida man stories, and now that now I live here,
I'm embarrassed with the number of Florida related stories come
out on a weekly basis. Okay, So the UF story is,

(01:41:12):
as many of you know it is. UF is the
flagship institution in the state of Florida, and this is
the second time in the last couple of weeks they've
had something embarrassing happening. We saw what happened with the
failed vote of possibly new president former president University of
Michigan at the Board of Governor's meeting. But this is
a really concerned for someone like a sol as a

(01:41:34):
FACIL member teaches in the state. Once again, UF is
a flagship institution and then being rewarded for his behavior
and then when he people feel like he goes too far,
then he's punished, and it's a contradictory and I think
it's a story that we should pay very close attention to,
considering some of the anto that dilegulation, etc. That's occurred

(01:41:56):
in the state. I also want to highlight the Bracy
story because this is my district also, and I got
to be honest with You're in great trouble. I've been
in troubled by this. They're both replacing jo Deine Thompson
was civil rights icon and well known in any area.

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
But I got to be honest with you.

Speaker 14 (01:42:13):
I did vote, and but it's concerning to me that
you have siblings on both sides, on either side running
against each other.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
And obviously mothers come out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
In support of her daughter.

Speaker 14 (01:42:25):
But this, this story is very concerned for me as
it relates to what it means to be a family,
and I can't imagine what those things can the conversation
is going to be like in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Indeed, indeed, Dot thank doctor Walker. H. Dtor Carter, Please
you'll pick well.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
I mean, I will have to say the University of
Florida Law School story again because I think one of
the things that really struck me about that entire story
was one you said, the egregiousness of the argument and
the fact that the university claims inst choose you neutrality.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Interesting because part.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Of what at least I understood in my most elementary
fashions had law school was about teaching people ethics and
about proper uses perhaps of the law. And maybe I'm
not right, but it would seemed to me that those
kinds of arguments that are dangerous, someone would have at
least said, hey, maybe we should have a public forum

(01:43:24):
about this, not necessarily the sense of the argument whatever,
but let's have an argument about this.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
Because he also won an award for this.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
But the too far was the anti semitive of personal tweet,
which I mean weren't a hard jump from what he
wrote anyway. But now these very same people in public
office place foot Seas with the likes of white nationalists,

(01:43:52):
who is proud about his description of his subscription to
this particular kind of world view, are going to be
the defenders.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Of Jewish people against anti Semetism.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
I mean, I think this really sort of lays there,
among many other things, about how any of these encouraged
go to our university camp, not about anti Semitism or
protecting Jewish people, and so I appreciate the fact that
this story dispenses with all pretend that this is ever
what it was about. So that was that was a

(01:44:28):
story that I read over the week that really.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
Stuck with me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Absolutely absolutely brings home dot to Ali. Any any thoughts
about any of those stories.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Brother, I mean all of them, really, but you know,
let's stay focused.

Speaker 13 (01:44:42):
It speaks of the hypocrisy inside of this country, right
especially by you know, the Republican Party. We remembers in
relationship to the law school case. You know, how they
talked about critical race theory, which we know was taught
at some law schools, and how they attacked it. Didn't
want folks speaking about our history, the impacts that happened

(01:45:03):
in our communities, anything that had to do with black folks.
But yet you can have an individual garner an award,
you know, spewing all kinds of racist language and actually
telling you exactly what white nationalists think about.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
So that's one side of.

Speaker 13 (01:45:20):
The equation, and we know that unfortunately we've never wanted
to exercise and I say that in the spiritual context
of hate inside of this country.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
But the other part of it is is that.

Speaker 13 (01:45:31):
We continue to show our black excellence and our beauty.

Speaker 8 (01:45:35):
And when we were, you know, showing our dear sister,
who as you said, was.

Speaker 24 (01:45:39):
From Walton's and Samford's son right at a number of
other shows.

Speaker 13 (01:45:46):
I remember hearing her speak and just the grace in
her language and the beauty that was in her language,
and how regal she was in many of the roles
that I see, you know, even when she was dating
Fred sam or on some of the other shows there,
you know, many times we just didn't have those images

(01:46:06):
of black women, you know, being regal and being powerful
and effective. So I see both sides of equations in
those stories, both the parts that we still got to
work on because hate is rooted in this nation. And
then of course the other side is just you know,
how incredible we are when given the opportunity to share

(01:46:26):
our gifts with the world.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Indeed, and yeah, shout out to Yazoo City, Mississippi, which
of course is where she was from, and of course
a theater background. But you're right, brother, that in primaiture
of black folk of a certain age and a certain
ear always classy, and it's almost like she wasn't acting.
She was just projecting that beauty in that black womanhood,
that strength right there on the stage and screen. And

(01:46:49):
thanks everybody for really raising up that story from me
from Florida with Damski because the professor, again John Baud
the Lamente, gave him the book award. So you know,
I could see and I talked to the critical race
Theory class one semester at Howard at the Law School.
I could see a thought exercise where I could read

(01:47:11):
a paper which could make that argument, if for another
reason in critical race theory, to undermine it, but to
give it the award, you went beyond academic freedom. You said,
this is the best student in the class. So then
it becomes at that point it's like, come on, man, really,
this is what we're doing. And then of course a
Trump appointed judge, Trump nominated judge, let's be very clear
about that hadn't been confirmed yet. So we're going to

(01:47:35):
turn head toward home. We come back from the break.
You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network,
and we will be right back speak on the other
side of change. Jude Tea.

Speaker 19 (01:47:48):
The day about blackness, it's a great day about freedom.

Speaker 20 (01:47:50):
It's also a day about talking about justice delayed, and
we are not in the business of justice being denied
to us, So stick around.

Speaker 19 (01:47:57):
We're going to talk all about the case of reparations.

Speaker 22 (01:48:00):
For reparations is not just an economics project, it's a
moral project. So if we want to live up to
the ideas of this foundation, then reparations has to be
something that we pursue.

Speaker 19 (01:48:10):
Only on the other side of change of the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 25 (01:48:24):
Hi, I'm Doctor Jackie of A Balance Life. Think about
the men in your life and ask yourself these questions.
Who are their male role models? Who can they turn
to for advice to learn about what manhood is all about.
On our next show, we talk about why male mentoring
is so important to men of all ages. Actor Dedre

(01:48:45):
Whitfield leads an all star cast and panel to answer
these and many other probing questions.

Speaker 6 (01:48:51):
A woman can't teach you how to be something that
she's not.

Speaker 25 (01:48:54):
That's on the next A Balanced Life with Doctor Jackie
on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Next on The Black Table with Me Greg Carr, a
very different take on Juneteenth with the one and only
Doctor Senata. We'll explore the amazing foods, remedies and rituals
that are a part of our history and the June
teenth holidays.

Speaker 26 (01:49:17):
the red sodas and the other things.

Speaker 8 (01:49:26):
I mean, why does the.

Speaker 26 (01:49:27):
Kool aid man have to sound like Louis Armstrong?

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Going an enlightening and tasty out of the black table
only on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 13 (01:49:42):
Hi, I'm Joe Marie Payton, voice of Sugar Mama on
Disney's Louder and Prouder Disney Plus.

Speaker 9 (01:49:48):
And I'm with Roland Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
On I'm Filtered. Today's shop. Black Star Marketplace features the
resurgence of a pioneering name in black cosmetics. Once regarded

(01:50:14):
as the first large scale black owned cosmetics company, fashion
Fair is recognized for being the first major cosmetics brand
to offer a diverse range of makeup shades specifically designed
for women of color. Fashion Fair, which initially conceived by
Eunice Johnson, the wife of John H. Johnson, founder of

(01:50:34):
Ebny Magazine and Johnson Publications, to cater to the beauty
needs of black women. All of the brand face challenges
and was on the brink of closure, it was revitalized
by Desiree Rogers, a name we know well. The company's
new CEO and co owner. Sister Rogers joins us. Now,
welcome to the Black Star Network in Roland Martin unfilters.

(01:50:55):
This is Desiree.

Speaker 8 (01:50:57):
How you doing there? Oh to be here?

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
We are so happy. I tell you. There's an elder
here who's one of malcolm Exist lieutenants who worked for
the Johnson's for many years. Peter Bailey who used to
work with Ms. Eunice Johnson back in the fifties with
the fashion fear, and of course those of us who
are a certain age. I didn't know anything about the
fashion fair, but all I knew was when you opened
up Ebony magazine and saw all these cities and all

(01:51:22):
these beautiful Black women and all of this stuff going on.
It was like, this is like the Traveling Black Excellent show,
and somebody take me to the fashion Fair.

Speaker 21 (01:51:30):
So please to see.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
These products, and we have some of them here with
us right now on the table. Please walk us through
after your long and distinguished career. As your long and
distinguished career continues to extend. While you got involved with
taking one of our most iconic brands and one of
the most familiar things in our community, a symbol of community,
a symbol of hope, a symbol of black self determination,

(01:51:54):
economic empowerment, and said, let me jump in here with
both feet and revived this. Give us a sense of
how you got involved, Well, I have to tell you.

Speaker 15 (01:52:02):
I mean, I was certainly very surprised when I found
out that the brand was in bankruptcy court, and Cheryl
McKissick and I were so lucky to have the winning
bid and to be able to bring this iconic brand back.
I mean, so much of our history is people are
trying to wipe away our history. Remove our history. Can't

(01:52:23):
be you know, reading books or a problem now you
know you hear all of these things, and so I
think it's super important that we maintain the iconic businesses
and brands that have always been there for us. And
so Fashion Fair is over fifty years old, and it
was originally created, as you said, by the Johnsons and
Eunius Johnson in particular because models did not have the

(01:52:45):
colors they needed for their skin tones. And so we
are continuing that tradition of ensuring that all of our people,
black and brown, can easily be matched, and their shade
is available with very high quality products. Dermatologists proved Vegan
cruelty free. So we've completely re envisioned the line in
its glory of the past.

Speaker 8 (01:53:07):
Let's say, yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
It is interesting because, of course, in its first iterations
and as it unfolded over the arc of decades, we
thought about women. But I love one of the things
I love is that you've opened it up in terms
of even our gender kind of imagination in ways that
maybe in the fifties, sixties or even seventies would have
been more of a challenge. But could you talk a

(01:53:32):
little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:53:32):
About now now that is for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:53:34):
I mean, everyone wants to take care of their skin
these days, whether their male female are not identifying, and
so one of the key products we have is this
primer serum, which I actually use every day, whether I'm
wearing makeup or not. It gives up moisture back into
the skin. It brightens the skin, not lightens, but brightens
the skin. And so I think we're at a point
in time where people really do want to take care

(01:53:56):
of their skin and in particular their face.

Speaker 8 (01:53:59):
I mean, we are vain people. We want to look good.
We want to look good, I mean. And to that,
I say, I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:54:06):
We know that the black population spends almost six point
six billion dollars in beauty.

Speaker 8 (01:54:15):
I mean six point six.

Speaker 15 (01:54:16):
Billion, and that's twenty twenty one, so my data is
a little bit old. We spend about eleven percent on
all beauty products. The real key, and I'm happy that
you guys are having me on, is to get our
people to buy black and to buy from black companies.
And so that number is significantly lower than it should be.
Two point five percent of Black Americans are buying from

(01:54:40):
black companies, and so we've got to change that. We
have to invest in our own communities because we know
when we do that, money gets invested back to us,
whether it's support of educational systems or mentorships or jobs.
Even most of the people that work at the company
look like me.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
You know. It's interesting, And thank you for saying that
and putting it in context of read in one of
the pieces where you made the comment that black folk
who carry a bag should maybe try to hit a
threshold target. If you're going to buy black, you don't
have to buy everything black. But I think there was
a percentage you suggested, Am I'm remembering that, right, You

(01:55:17):
are correct?

Speaker 15 (01:55:18):
I mean, so, I you know, I think that it
should be you know, probably you know, twelve fifteen percent.

Speaker 8 (01:55:24):
I mean why not?

Speaker 15 (01:55:25):
I mean I think there's there's so much history to
you know, us not buying black, you know, is it?
What's the quality? Like you know, it's almost like brainwashing,
like we think like if we buy you know, black,
it's not the same quality as a Chanel or a
d Or or People will say to me, well, that
brand is so you know, that brand's old. My grandmother
used that brand, And I say, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:55:47):
Gucci's old, Chanelle's old. DR's old.

Speaker 15 (01:55:51):
You know, but families took care of those brands, and
now they're still thriving. So we've got to begin to
think about the brands that have been created by our
people and making certain that those brands extend another one
hundred years indeed, and less criticism and more trying brands,
looking at them, touching, feeling them. And you know, I

(01:56:12):
think if you touch and feel our brands, I mean,
I'm pretty confident you're.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
Going to fall in love, no question.

Speaker 8 (01:56:18):
I certainly have fallen in love with them. And I
think I look pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
You Well, there's no doubt about that doubt. I'm sitting
here with the Blushed Duo. The Yeah, let's see, we
have here as well, the Liquid Foundation. See y'all, you've
got me, You got me a luxury.

Speaker 15 (01:56:38):
That's so we're calling and we don't name any of
our brands by number. I think you have, honey, I'm fabulous, Yes, yes, honey,
A bad bisc is another name Mahogany hotty. So we
try to have fun with these names and really salute
you know, our community. I mean, the summer face can
be super simple. You know, your your serum that I
have here, maybe be the liquid, maybe a stick, you know,

(01:57:02):
and you can have a couple of sticks. It's really
easy to you know, have a couple of shades. I
mean I use my stick also as eyeshadow. If I'm traveling,
I don't want to carry a lot of stuff. Maybe
a little lip cheeser and a lipstick and you're done.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
And see this says chocolate chip. So I'm gonna resistant,
oh honey, anywhere near my mouth.

Speaker 8 (01:57:21):
I'm shades from Fashion Fair.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 15 (01:57:25):
So with those blushes, we put, you know, a blush
which is chocolate chip, which is a powder, and then
we put a cream there which you're seeing this very nice,
I think, kind of a peachy tone.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (01:57:39):
Yeah, gotta have fun with the makeup.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
It's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:57:43):
Let's don't be afraid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Don't be afraid. That's what I'm talking about. Look, while
I'm looking at this magenta missed lipstick, I'm gonna ask
doctor Ali Santiago, please any questions comments for Desbree Rogers.

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
Yeah, well, thank you for everything you're doing.

Speaker 13 (01:57:58):
My question is attracting a new generation along with holding
you know, the folks who have already been, you know,
strong supporters of the product.

Speaker 21 (01:58:10):
How do you approach that?

Speaker 15 (01:58:12):
Well, you know, that's been the straddle. I mean, people
that have used the brand in the past. They are
very interested in the shades that they loved and whether
or not those shades are coming back, and they want
to try and they've been supporters for a very long time.
It's how do we get their daughters in that young generation.
To your point, we were recently out with the black
influencers and beauty and talking to them and we're going

(01:58:34):
to be hiring several of them. To provide that message
for us and really talk about talk about the newness
of the brand and why they love the brand.

Speaker 8 (01:58:42):
And so I think it's.

Speaker 15 (01:58:44):
About introduction, it's about social media, it's about support, it's
about being here on this show and talking about the
brands and making certain that people are aware of the
brand where they can get at fashion fair dot com,
also Sephora, so Macy's. You can go on to our
site and you can see where you can pick up

(01:59:04):
the brand. Because people want to see and feel the
you know, feel the brand, and so I think our
job is to make certain that they know about it
and that they know why it's special. I mean, I
think it's special because we only make for brown and
black people, and so our ingredients are handpicked and selected
for those particular skin tones. And we know that many

(01:59:25):
times we can have oily skin, we can have very
sensitive skin. So there's no fragrance in any of these
products because that fragrance can aggravate the skin. We also
have great ingredients like vitamin c alo vera, all those
good things, all of those things that are nourishing that
keep that skin looking healthy and fresh.

Speaker 8 (01:59:45):
Because sometimes we.

Speaker 15 (01:59:46):
Think black doesn't crack well, you know, at some point
you got to take care of it, honey, Yes, you
got to take care of.

Speaker 8 (01:59:52):
It to have that skin looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
Yes. Indeed that the Walker, the de Larry Walker. Any
questions comments for desbet Rogers.

Speaker 14 (02:00:00):
Yeah, So congratulations on this new endeavor. And you know,
we talked about the Johnson's and I'm wondering if there's
something historical fact that you found out about Fashion Fair
And obviously we know that that is important history that
you found out about that you didn't know as you
took on this new endeavor.

Speaker 15 (02:00:17):
I think was shocking and surprising to me that in
you know, nineteen seventy three approximately, Missus Johnson who had
the Traveling Fashion Fair show that many of us know about.

Speaker 8 (02:00:29):
It was the place to be, the show to be seen.

Speaker 15 (02:00:33):
She had models all across this country traveling and introducing
high fashion to towns as small as Itabitty, Mississippi, or
you know, are as large as Los Angeles and New York.
And what she saw is her models were mixing their
own makeup. They were actually buying shades and then mixing
in brow powder. And so you know, she thought, wow, wow,

(02:00:56):
you know, let me go to the big companies and
see if they'll make some dark shades, and none of
them wanted to do it at that time, And so
what did she do. She created fashion Fair brand herself
and she sold it in a capsule collection in.

Speaker 8 (02:01:11):
Ebony magazine, and that was the beginning of history.

Speaker 15 (02:01:14):
She was also the first person to put music to
fashion shows, so before her, there was no music to
a fashion show, can you imagine. So that was all
her vision and her I would say, just love of
the black culture and really deciding and being courageous and saying,
you know what, you guys don't want to do it,

(02:01:35):
I'm going to do it myself.

Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
Yes, indeed, Well, Dresbree Rogers. Now, folks who are looking
at this and are now on their computers and on
their phones and on their iPads and tablets, they're looking
to see where they can buy this. Where should we
send them?

Speaker 15 (02:01:53):
Well, actually, you guys have your own site, right, so
we should definitely send them to that site.

Speaker 8 (02:02:00):
You know, I want to try the products.

Speaker 15 (02:02:01):
They're at Select, Macy's and Sephoras And you can easily
go to fashion fair dot com and look, you know,
in the store locator and it will put your stip
code in and it'll tell you a store near you.

Speaker 8 (02:02:12):
But tonight we're supporting you, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Yes, indeed, well I tell you, uh, daughter of New Orleans,
of course, the first alf American social secretary in the
White House. Uh, the leader of black opal and the
reviver of Fashion Fair along with her comrades Desiree Rogers.
You certainly wait, did I miss out the carter you
know what? For last? Because I wanted to get out

(02:02:35):
of the way to sisters and guess what that was, Carol,
to make sure. Thank you, Carol. Look, hey, when I
see neomby, do not whip me because I did that
on purpose to save you for last, doctor neomy Carney.
I'm gonna be quiet so the two sisters can talk
and take us home. Thank you, Thank you, Carol, please please,
thank you.

Speaker 21 (02:02:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:02:54):
As a woman of a certain age, Fashion Fair was
one of the first brands I ever purchased of makeup
on my own, so I'm very happy to see it back.
And so I've been on a black buying spree for
makeup for a while, so this is great to be
able to add this back to my repertoire. So I

(02:03:16):
wanted to know, are you bringing back many of the
vintage colors.

Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
So I was an Uptown Brown.

Speaker 8 (02:03:23):
You know what, guess what you are in luck? You
are in luck.

Speaker 15 (02:03:27):
We have Uptown Brown, Sonny. We have brought back a
number of the new colors, I mean the vintage colors,
the iconic colors, and we'll continue to bring them back.
So we've got a wide range of shades and the lipsticks.
I think you guys have Magenta Miss that's one of
the earlier, earlier shades. Chocolate Raspberry is certainly the most

(02:03:50):
popular shades, so that we continue to sell out of that,
and that is a fabulous shade on any skin tone.
We have a large series of browns. We have CPM,
which is a great brown with gold flex and so
I think you're in for a treat. We have mixed
in many of the vintage colors with newer shades.

Speaker 4 (02:04:11):
Oh that's awesome. I'm so excited.

Speaker 15 (02:04:13):
Yes, And it's very skin light, so it's a much
lighter weight than it once was.

Speaker 8 (02:04:19):
It looks great on the skin, and.

Speaker 15 (02:04:20):
As I said, we worked with the black dermatologists to
make certain that it's also good for the skin, so
it's like skin care foundations, no clogging of pores, beautiful matches.
If you have freckles, you'll be able to see your
freckles through. So it feels very comfortable. I was in
DC earlier today, and believe me, that heat was something.

(02:04:41):
But I made it and I was outside and my
makeup I think, still looks pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:04:45):
It looks great.

Speaker 8 (02:04:47):
Yes, a little power, you're a little wilder.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
We'll press people have to search any more for the
vintage colors all over your eBay and everywhere else.

Speaker 15 (02:04:55):
No, I wouldn't do that because I don't know how
old those are, and you know there is a great
they so I would check out fashion fair dot com
and also check out the Unfiltered website for colors, and.

Speaker 8 (02:05:09):
Then you can always just send us a note you know,
what are the colors that you would like to see?
What are we missing?

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
I swear thank you again Carol for making sure that
I didn't mess up there, because that's that's exactly what
I was waiting for. That conversation right there, y'all, I'm
going about five levels. D H correct me if I'm wrong.
Our good friend Juliana Richison and Larry Crow and all
the friends of the history Makers noted that you were
queen of the Zulu. Is that true?

Speaker 8 (02:05:38):
I was Queen Zulu twice?

Speaker 4 (02:05:40):
Can you believe?

Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
I'm on?

Speaker 13 (02:05:41):
Now?

Speaker 8 (02:05:42):
See you there, you want some more history.

Speaker 15 (02:05:45):
I'm also a descendant of the Voodoo queen of New Orleans,
and you know may even be somehow related to the pope.

Speaker 8 (02:05:53):
He's from my neighborhood, his people are from my neighborhood.
And you know they're saying he's black Ish, black Ish,
Know that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
Louis Armstrong said it was his lifelong ambition to be
the king of the Zulus. And you were again Zulu.
So I again thank you for joining us. Thank you
for your work not only in black communities, but really
bringing and elevating the best of who we are culturally
to the world. And you all make sure you get

(02:06:25):
out here now, continue to take all this stuff off
the shelves and buy through the websites. Fashion fairies back strong,
stronger than ever, projecting into the twenty first century. Thank
you for joining us. The desiree rogers and well.

Speaker 8 (02:06:37):
Thank you, thank you, and here's to all beauty, everything beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
Thank you, thank you, appreciate you. Well that's it for us,
that's just for us tonight. Here Roland Martin, Unfiltered, Remember
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these beautiful people. I posted them on social media, all
these young people in there, a bunch of all my
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