Creek Freedmen Win Tribal Citizenship, HIV Crisis Solutions, Obama Claps Back & Big Tide Summit

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Marte Wednesday, July twenty third, twenty twenty five. Coming up

(00:30):
on Roland Martin non field streaming live on the Black
Start Network. Folk a huge, huge victory against the Muskege Nation.
Will talk about, uh, this legal case with the Marrow
Sloman Simmons who has been leading that effort. Also on
today's show, ooh when Trump is something that wrong with him?

(00:54):
Jeff Emstein is his name in the files? Wall Street
Journal says, turns you, Pam BOONDI said your name is
in the files. I told y'all that what was losing
his mind? Also, Tolcy Gabert keeps lying about Russian in
the farce of the twenty sixteen election. Wait, did till
I show y'all all the liars? Y'all know she actually

(01:15):
talked about it before. Sean Handy said they interfered. Now
he's saying they didn't. For the as kissing for Trump
is just so so amazing. A black man beat by
Jacksonville deputy sheriffs sneaks out while the black sheriff announces
the cops will not be prosecuted. Yeah, y'all know, we
gotta talk about that as well. Plus we'll talk about

(01:41):
Gilliad pharmaceutical company efforts that they are involved in to
cut HIV AIDS rates among African Americans lost and break down.
Y'all is time to bring the funk on rollingd mark
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Speaker 2 (01:52):
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
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to politics with entertainment, just foo kakes. He's going, it's
growing out, It's rolling Montana.

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Speaker 3 (02:32):
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Speaker 1 (02:46):
Folk mixture out of Oklahoma where the Muskege nation. They
now have to abide by a landmark ruling that recognizes
African Americas and the descendants who are part of this
nation turning tomorrow settlement. Simmons has been leading this effort.

(03:07):
We of course have talked about it several times as well,
He joins us. Right now, of course co final justice
with Greenwood. So go ahead and tell us what's up
with the Creek Freeman. Walk people through what happened today
and how significant this is. Tomorrow we're going.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
To see Roland this is very significant because for the
first time in forty six years, Black Creeks also known
as Creek Freemen, will now have their citizenship rights restored
to the Muskogee Creek Nation. This will impact tens of
thousands of Black Creeks throughout the nation who will now
only received their birthright and their citizenship rights, but also

(03:43):
have opportunities to have tangible benefits life sustainting and altering
benefits like free health care, childcare, education benefits, etc.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Okay, so explain the folks, why would they have free
health care, free child benefits as a result of the
Muskegi Nation?

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Explained that, sure, well, the five Muscogi Cree Nation was
one of the five so called five quote unquote civilized
tribes who in the late seventeen undred and eight early
eighteen hundreds adopted European style culture, speaking English and having
a plantation style economy. And a part of that was
the enslavement of Africans and of their own indigenous black members.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
And so when they was moved to Oklahoma in the
eighteen thirties and continued to enslave.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
And continued to discriminate against their black members, they cited
with the Confederacy during the Civil War they lost. Obviously,
the Confederacy lost the war at the time, and so
they had to do new treaties. And that Treaty of
eighteen sixty six, which was negotiated and signed by five individuals,
one of them being my great my four town great
grandfather cal Tom, ended enslavement within the Creek Nation, and

(04:56):
it also gain granted citizenship to all Creeks of Africa
and descent. But in nineteen seventy nine, the Creek Nation
decided they did not want the Creeks of African descent anymore,
and they illegally excluded us through their new constitution. And
so we've been fighting that battle every since. And today
their own Supreme Court affirmed that the Treaty of eighteen

(05:19):
sixty six guarantees Creeks of African descent, also known as
Creek Freeman, to have full citizenship within the Creek Nation.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
For folks who don't know walk through how long this
legal battle's been going long because they were trying everything
to shut y'all down.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, even when you came down rolling, you saw it firsthand. Listen.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
I started working on this in nineteen ninety nine when
I was trying to get my own citizenship, and then
when I graduated law school in two thousand and four,
this was the first case. I took the trial in
two thousand and five, and we lost in two thousand
and seven. We lost again in twenty eighteen, we lost
in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
But it kept hitting it.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
We had a victory in twenty twenty twenty three that
the Creek Nation appealed, and it's from this appeal that
we have finally heard their Supreme Court say.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yes, you can win, because in two thousand.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
And seven the Muscowe Nation Supreme Court ruled against us.
So this is an amazing day. It is just I
can't stop smiling. And I just wish my grandmother, Johnny
May Austin, who died in twenty nineteen at eighty nine
years old, who was a named plaintiff in our case
in twenty eighteen. She spoke Creek, she grew up on

(06:34):
our Creek allotment. I just wish she was here to
witness this.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Explain when you said their Supreme Court people may not
realize that these Native American tribes they have a separate system.
Then the United States Supreme.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Court absolutely thank you. Roland for that question.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
So the Creek Nation is the fourth largest Native American
tribe in the nation, has over one hundred thousand members
our city, and so it has a fully functioning government
with a Principal Chief, an executive office that has the
legislative office, which they called a National Council, and then
they have a judiciary where they have a district court
just like in the United States, and then they have

(07:13):
a Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court in the Muscowity.
Creek Nation has seven members. Two of those members had
to recuse for our case, and so five members decided it,
and I'm happy to report that it was a unanimous decision.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okay, So they had to recuse themselves. Were they two
of the ones who were previously involved in the case?
So what happened there?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yeah, the tutor had to recuse themselves previously involved in
the drafting of the nineteen seventy nine constitution that excluded
Black Creeks.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
And so I'm very happy that they.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Did the right thing and recused from this particular case.
Because this case was about what is supreme is the
constitution of the Creek Nation or is it the supreme
law of the land.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
Because of the Treaty of eighteen sixty six.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
So just for the listeners to understand, under the law
treaties of the United States is second only through the
United States Constitution. So that's why we were saying, no
matter what their constitution, the Creek Nations Constitution stated from
nineteen seventy nine, the Treaty of eighteen sixty six has
never been abrogated or made invalid, and that is what

(08:28):
covers and controls in this situation.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Obviously a huge issue. I want to bring in my
panel right now. Joining us right now on our panel
is of course RecA Caruther's president CEO Fair Election Center.
Glad to have her on the show. Also a Scott
Bolden attorney here in Washington, d C. Joe registered, the
civil rights attorney out of Los Angeles. Glad they have
three of you here, So I guess I'll have the

(08:51):
lawyer start. Joe. You start your question with Tomorrio first
of all.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
At Tomorrio, congratulations.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
This is an incredit accomplishment and it is obviously very
personal for you for some obvious reasons because your own history.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
But tell me this, do you.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
See any possibility with this potentially being precedential in terms
of setting a precedent that other folks that believe they
belong to tribes, you know, because the point is made
that tribes. One of the things that the tribes did
a pretty good job of is getting you know, self determination, funding,

(09:29):
setting up casinos and things like that where the people
that are members do quite well. Have there been any
of the discussions that you had over the years that
leads you to believe that perhaps in some other areas
where we have brothers and sisters who are descendants of tribes,
that this could possibly be a route that they may
try to take as well.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Yeah, thank you for the question. I mean right, definitely.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I mean you had the Cherokee Nation, which is the
largest Native American nation, almost five hundred thousand members, they
had a similar issue that I worked on. That was
the result in twenty seventeen the Creeks are now you
also have the same issue with the chalk Taw. You know,
you remember the movie Centers. We all love the movie Centers,
and at the very beginning of the movie they had
the chalk Taw Indians that were actually chasing the vampire.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Where thus chalk Taw Nation.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Was one of those nations that enslaved black folks and
one of those nations that discriminated against black folks and
right now they are doing the same thing that the
Creeks have been doing.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
And so that's the issue that we're looking at.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Also, within a seminole nation, you have black seminoles who
have been a part of the nation for hundreds and
hundreds of years who are also getting discriminated discriminated again.
So we're looking at all of those issues and there
may be other nations around it around the country, and
we're happy to talk to people and see if it's
something we can help with.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
It's very specific based upon your lineage.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Then listen, you know a lot of people say, hey,
I got some Indian in me, but you have to
be able to document it. And that's the thing about
the Black Indians of Oklahoma. We are the most documented
black people in the nation because ever since they've been
taking our land starting in the late seventeen hundreds, they
always create.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
These lists of the citizens.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
So I can document my lineage back to the late
to seventeen hundreds, going all the way up to me,
and so that's what it would take. But we know
how to do that research. So it certainly could be around.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Scott.

Speaker 9 (11:18):
Thank you, Yeah, congratulations on your victory.

Speaker 10 (11:23):
Although are you are.

Speaker 11 (11:25):
You really saying that Indians, the Native Americans discriminated against
black people just like white people discriminating against black people
in this country.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Now, he didn't say discriminating, he said enslaved is slay.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
Absolutely, black man can't catch a break.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah, but you know you have go ahead and go ahead, Scott.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 11 (11:48):
So as part of this deal or this ruling, you know,
the first thing comes to mind is reparations. Are there
any reparations in the mix in this ruling or is
that a subsequent separate lost some black creek would have
to would have to bring.

Speaker 12 (12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Great, that's a great question, and I think it's something
that should be thought about in this particular rule. And
this is just about the citizenship aspect of it and
what we're hoping our goal. And I'm reaching out to
the chief. I'm hoping he can meet with me before
I come to Chicago. Scott, I'll see you in Chicago
at the NBA conference. I'm hoping I can get to
this will on Friday and let's have a discussion about Hey, how.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Can we how can we heal the divide?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
How can we work together become one family again and
move forward and have that conciliation and be able to
deal with some of these issues that even the one
you talked about. So those things are all on the table,
but first and foremost, we just want to say, can
we get our citizenship? Can you recognize us not only
as first class citizens within the nation, but recognize our
contribution to the Creek nation over the last five hundred years.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
See, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
A lot of people don't realize we were here when
Columbus got here, about black Creeks here, when the European
came here. We're well documented going back to the fifteen hundreds,
and so don't try to erase our contribution, don't try
to erase what we've done, don't try to erase our
heroes and roads within the nation. Let's move forward as
one people, and let's talk about how we heal. And

(13:17):
obviously healing includes some type of reparatory justice.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
How do you formalize our citizenship?

Speaker 12 (13:24):
Then?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
So they we like I said, they have a full
functioning government. They have a whole citizenship department. So they
have three different locations. So in the Oak and northeast Oklahoma.
They have one in by Tulsa. You go, and what
you have to show is that you are a direct
lineal descendant from an individual that was listed on the
nineteen oh six Dolls rolls. So it's either you are

(13:49):
you're not. You can't just decide, oh, I want to
be on this road. So like my great grandfather, John W. Simmons,
was a new born in eighteen ninety eight, he's own
that dolls rose and so I go from John W.
Simmons to my grandmother Johnny May Simmons, to.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
My dad on my to me. That's my lineage.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
That's how I can show that I am actually one
that should be getting citizenship. Now I could go all
the way back to cal Tom who was born in
eighteen ten. Or I could go all the way back
to Moses Paraman who was born eighteen eighty seventeen eighty,
so I could do that too.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
Wow. Congratulations, Rebecca, thank you.

Speaker 13 (14:28):
Hey to Mario, it's good scene tonight. I'm listening to
your story. So I spent some summers in the eighties
in Muskogee, Nation, visiting my great grandmother on my dad's
side in the township of sum in Oklahoma. Also, yes,
the sum in Oklahoma shed.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
When she passed away. She lived in a two room
shack had she had an outhouse.

Speaker 13 (14:52):
Didn't have indoor plumbing yet, so there was a pump
in her kitchen area. But she finally got electricity. So
now I got lost. The question is I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Call my daddy after the show tonight.

Speaker 13 (15:02):
How do you go about doing the research proving lineage?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, listen, I'm gonna help you out all you have
to do. And anyone that's listening that think they may
have a connection the ray Rebecca just talked about, you
can contact Justice for Greenwood. Go to Justice for Greenwood
dot org. We have a whole We Are Greenwood program.
We have a love form there and you can say, hey,
I think I may be a connected to the Black
Indians of Oklahoma, and we'll do a little research and

(15:29):
see it first. You know, if you pass the prerequisents,
and if you do, then we can get you one
of genealogists. We have five genealogists within Justice for Greenwood
that does this work. And then we have our sister
a coalition organization, the Muskogee Creek Indian Freeman Band, and
they also do this lineage.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Work for you. So if you have someone on the
dollars rolls, we can find it.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
All right, then, well tomorrow. Congratulations, it has been a long,
long battle and the fight continues. We appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
And I said, one of the things some in Oklahoma's
one of the traditional black towns of Oklahoma, and reasons
that so many black towns, including the Great Greenwood of
the home of Black Wall Street, was because of the
black Indians had already been here. They had already been free,
They already had land, they already had power, and.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
They already had a freedom of mind state. So it
goes full circle.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Well, certainly enjoyed this win because you will have few
wins this fall when your Oklahoma Sooners played.

Speaker 14 (16:27):
In the.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's all right, man, I take this win, and you
will have even fewer wins for your Dallas Cowboys. So
I mean, so you just, I mean so right, enjoyed
this one. But some football season you will not have
a joy. You will be getting lots of text messages
from me on Saturdays and Sundays this fall.

Speaker 10 (16:47):
You know what.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
That may be true, but here's the deal.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Forty three days ago, mayor and Nichols announced the reparatory
justice for Greenwood and today we got justice for black creeps.

Speaker 10 (16:57):
Hey, I'm good for the rest of your dogs.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, y'all gonna be losing. Hi
Davy don't appreciate it. And you're no madga. You oh
for three? Ii I you own for three. I mean
like you just keep taking als. I appreciate it. Ah,
y'all going to break. We'll be right back, rolland and
Unfiltered on the Black studd Network.

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Next on the Black Table with me Greg Kall, we
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His work literally changed the world.

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Among other things, he played a major role in creating
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first person of color to win the Nobel Peace Prize,
and yet today he is hardly a household name.

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Speaker 1 (20:46):
Black women account for a disproportionate number of new HIV
diagnoses among women. Additionally, Black transgender women experience the highest
rates of new HIV diagnoses amongst transgender people and are
more likely to remain under diagnosed and untreated compared to
their peers. In response to this staggering trend, Gilead Sciences
has launched the Setting the Pace Initiative, the Prevention, Arts

(21:10):
and Advocacy Committee and Education Program. It's a three year,
twelve point six million dollar commitment aimed at expanding HIV
prevention efforts and underserved communities. Joining us now is doctor
Toyan new Wall four. Hopefully I produce that correctly, Executive
director of Gilead US HIV Medical Affairs, and also singer
Rahem Devon, who is partnering in the partnering with Gilead,

(21:33):
sitting the PACE initiative. Glad both of you joining us
right now. Doc, I want to go to you first
because so here's the thing that jumps out, and I've
covered this story for decades, and when you go back
to the initial AIDS outbreak in the early nineteen eighties,
it was essentially a white gay man's disease. What ends

(21:56):
up happening is you have all of these different groups
that are formed in San Francisco, in Los Angeles, in
New York targeting these white gay men. Well, that actually
played a huge role in creating the LGBT community political
advocacy organizations. What then happens is battles, whether it was

(22:18):
a Democratic president or a Republican president. When you begin
to see the numbers and the impact on black people,
you didn't see the shift of the resources going from
white male targeted community to African Americans and so a
huge part of this in the last decade or so

(22:40):
has been this consistent battle on the ground in cities
like Houston and Chicago, Charlotte, what was happening on HBCU
campuses where the infrastructure, the federal money, the infrastructure still
is not keeping pace with what the data actually shows, Doc,

(23:06):
can you hear me?

Speaker 21 (23:08):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (23:08):
Yes, Oh, I wasn't sure if there was a question, yeah, So.

Speaker 24 (23:11):
Okay, great, Yeah, So thank you for kind of summarizing,
you know, the last couple of decades of what we're
seeing with HIV. And when I started to take care
of people living with HIV in the middle nineties, we
did see that, and we saw again over and over
again the discrepancy between what was happening in the communities
and what the data was showing and what the perception

(23:33):
and what the funding and all the realities of what
was happening with that. And I think what's important is
for us, like in the communities, in healthcare, in the media,
to be able to talk about what is the reality
of HIV in twenty twenty five, that there are still
thirty nine thousand new HIV diagnoses in the US in

(23:54):
twenty twenty into twenty twenty three, and those numbers are
this propos pnportionately impacting Black communities, where you know, up
to thirty eight to forty percent of new diagnoses I
in Black people though we make up less than fourteen
percent of the population, and women, especially when we think
about one in five new HIV diagnoses are in women,

(24:18):
many of whom are from heterosexual contact, and in those women,
one in five infections are in women, but fifty percent
of those are in Black women. So clearly what has
happened over the decades is that the reality of what
is happening with HIV, who's living with HIV, who's vulnerable
to new HIV infections, where the funding is what's happening

(24:41):
at community is very different for where things are in
the eighties, and the perception about where things are is
very different. So it's becoming really important for us to
continue to have the conversation but also think about what
it is that we need to do in the healthcare community,
in industry, in the community to change those numbers and
make sure that we drive solutions for the epidemic.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
When you talk about those numbers, a significant amount of
it is in the South, why.

Speaker 23 (25:13):
Right, So again, when we look at it. You are
absolutely correct.

Speaker 24 (25:17):
More than half of the new diagnoses of HIV infection
are in the South and in certain areas, and I
know we'll continue to talk about those numbers again. Disproportionally
impact people for a couple of reasons, right, So we
have factors that have to do with a lot of
social drivers of health, and it's unfortunate. But the reality
is when we look at the diagnosis of new HIV infections,

(25:40):
when we look at the overlay of diabetes, when we
look at the overlay of obesity other chronic conditions, we
do see that disproportionate impact.

Speaker 23 (25:50):
And it's multifactorial.

Speaker 24 (25:51):
As you know, right, we have issues with obviously access,
access to good quality healthcare, access to culturally competent and
clinicians who can have those conversations. We have issues with
obviously funding other social determinants of health that impair people's
ability to.

Speaker 23 (26:08):
Actually get care.

Speaker 24 (26:10):
But then also we also know that there is misinformation,
there's disinformation, there's stigma. Stigma is a big driver of
why we still continue to see disparity, stigma in the community,
stigma in healthcare settings. And as long as there's stigma,
it's really hard to have the hard conversations and the
open conversations that need to happen around sexual health, sexuality,

(26:33):
talking about HIV prevention, talking about sexual health. As long
as there's stigma, and as long as we're not having
this conversation in an open, non judgmental, stigma free way,
we're going to see those disparities and they're layered on
on a lot of structural and social determinants and drivers
of health that remain in the country.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Rahiim, why did you decide to join this effort?

Speaker 9 (27:00):
So I'm no stranger?

Speaker 25 (27:01):
Roller two community activism, you know, having a love life
foundation since twenty sixteen, my work as it relates to
domestic violence, and this is no this is no different.
The statistics outrageously you know, it's super high. You know,
Texas and Louisiana, Georgia, these are like three of my

(27:24):
like major markets as a as a recording artist, you know,
having influence, you know, being in these communities for so long,
you know, making music that speaks you know, for the
bedroom and too intimacy as well, and you know it
gives me an opportunity to do my part, you know,
just in terms of activism.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Obviously, when you think about again, over the last forty
five years, there's been no greater community that has really
focused on hvaa's than the entertainment community, primarily because it
was one it was the hardest hit by this in

(28:04):
the eighties and nineties. We're talking about dancers, actors, singers,
a lot of people who are behind the scenes as well,
and so you know, so you know, this is certainly
not new in terms of entertainers really taking this manton.
When you think about the concerts that in the song

(28:25):
that Stevie Wonder of course Dion Warwick, Luther Vandros did.
When you think about the galas that Elton John had
raised millions and millions of Elizabeth Taylor as well. So
there's a long history of entertainers focusing on this issue absolutely.

Speaker 25 (28:43):
You know, being on board with Gillad this last year
and a half has been it's been a blessing has
been you know, educational for me as well. You know,
last year we touched over forty thousand women, had the
opportunity to connect with over forty thousand women in less
than thirty days, you know, utilizing my tour schedule to
uh bring bring awareness to you know, disparities and and

(29:06):
and what's going on in the community, and uh, you know,
just I didn't really I didn't really realize the impact
until you know, I'm in those lines every night and
you know, different people disclosing and letting me know, Hey,
like I've been HIV positive, you know since the nineties,
or I lost my mother, I lost my grandmother, or
you know my child has been diagnosed, or I've never

(29:29):
been properly tested. You know, can I get tested right now?
So again, you know, I like to call it a
party with a purpose and uh editainment as we call it,
you know, where there's an opportunity to fuse and and
and lock in and fuse editation education, you know, with entertainment.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Uh doc, this is a three year, twelve point six
minute commitment. What does that actually cover? What does that involve?
Is that advertising? Is that advocacy in that on the
ground activations? What exactly is the initiative?

Speaker 24 (30:04):
It is a combination of all of those things. Because
we do know that to truly talk about ending the
HIV epidemic for everyone everywhere, and especially looking at communities
disproportion impacted like the black community, we really need to
approach it from a multiproct approach along the continue where
people live, work, play, prayer and love, where we're talking

(30:26):
about community activation. We're talking about strategic community partnerships. We're
talking about education to the community, bringing on advocates and
community partners. We're talking about educating healthcare providers so they
know the vital role that they play in dismantling stigma
and having open, non judgmental conversations not just infectious disease

(30:48):
clinicians like myself, but primary care providers or bgiants and
so partnerships in that regard, partnerships with media, partnerships with journalists,
and media partnerships with community at kids, and really looking
at all the people that it would take, because, as
was mentioned before, stigma as long that the stigma, it
impacts people's ability to want to get an HIV test,

(31:12):
It impacts people ability to stay connected in care and
stay linked in care. So the more that we're able
to normalize HIV and the community conversations around it, the
more likely people are to step up to get tested
to know their status. The more we talk about things
like undetectable is equals to untransmittable, which is a campaign
that GILLIAD and a lot of other healthcare organizations are

(31:34):
supporting which says that when a person living with HIV
is on treatment and their medications and their violoid is undetectable,
that they cannot transmit HIV to their sexual partners. Undetectable
is untransmittable. It's such an empowering campaign because it allows
the stigma to be diminished and if people can think
about in the most intimate act sex you can't transmit,

(31:58):
this will really element some of the stigma that comes
around people talking about HIV and other contacts. And so
that's important, and so I think the answer to your
question it is multifaceted, a multipronct approach, looking at the community,
the individuals, looking at healthcare systems, healthcare providers, looking at media,
looking at housing, all of the things that it takes

(32:20):
to get people to be tested, linked to care, access
to care, providing support services, and making sure that we're
using the data to inform how we deploy our strategies
and do that in an effective manner.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Questions from my panel will first start with you, Rebecca.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Sure.

Speaker 13 (32:38):
There has been a push in this country to eliminate
comprehensive sex education in public schools and especially in the
South well oftentimes it is an absence only curriculum, and
using the term curriculum very loosely, considering that the majority
of public school kids in this country now are students
of color.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Can is there a link between in.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
The lack of comprehensive sex education and the increase rates
in planned pregnancies s CD rates including HIV AIDS.

Speaker 23 (33:09):
Well, for sure.

Speaker 24 (33:10):
What is important is that there needs to be comprehensive
sexual health education and unfortunately that is not happening routinely,
and we're seeing that it's not happening at the different
levels of education and even in healthcare systems where they
should be happening. So what people are doing and community
are doing are finding really innovative and creative ways to
have that education from trusted community partners. Different people are

(33:34):
coming up with programs that may now be after school
programs that may happen in other places where people socialize
so they can have that conversation if they're not able
to have it within the school curriculum. There are places
where people are looking at different ways of you know,
the advocating and community voice going to their boards and
figuring out how to have those conversations, because when they

(33:56):
happen and people get accurate, factual and you're more likely
to have great outcomes as opposed to when the information
is disjointed and people get information from different places. So
while people figure out how we can get policy and
advocacy to make those things happen, a lot of times
community organizations and community initiatives and parents and different people

(34:20):
are figuring out different ways to do what they need
to do to get it done, and figuring out and
so many creative innovative programs. And I think it's on
to us to find programs like those and amplify them
because they are happening where people are figuring out how
to get kids together and have conversations with them, and
how do we get people to know about those without

(34:41):
reinventing the.

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Wild in a piggyback doc.

Speaker 25 (34:44):
You know, one of the activities that we did during
the tour last year, we're community town hall meetings, meeting
with the mayor, local high schools, faith leaders, and you know,
when we really really when we really start having and
the conversations are really chopping it up and understanding that
you know, this is something that's affecting the youth as well.

(35:06):
They are actually active. You know, these conversations, these conversations
need to be happening, you know, with our children, with
our grandkids, you know, so forth.

Speaker 9 (35:14):
So Scott, thanks Roland, doctor and Raheem.

Speaker 26 (35:23):
I've always thought your most powerful partner to do away
with stigma in regarding HIV AIDS would be the Black Church.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
It's a complicated.

Speaker 26 (35:32):
Partnership and one that has been short or taken quite
a while to come around, if at all.

Speaker 9 (35:39):
I'm curious that when in.

Speaker 27 (35:40):
Your discussion, either one of you all can take this question.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
I'm curious in.

Speaker 26 (35:44):
Your discussions with faith leaders from the eighties and nineties
when AIDS was discovered till now, has the Black Church
been more active and been more open to partnering with
you on this hi HIV issue or is it still
a struggle with those community churches.

Speaker 25 (36:03):
Going from city to city on tour last year, this
was a reoccurring topic.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
Uh for the room, Yeah, Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Definitely they were.

Speaker 25 (36:11):
They were faith leaders in the house that that that
represent that agreed wholeheartedly.

Speaker 28 (36:15):
Uh.

Speaker 25 (36:16):
They want to you know, involve their local church that
you know, getting tapped into the community. And I think
I think, yeah, you know it has we have seen
uh you know, a three sixty turnaround. You know when
you think about like the eighties and the nineties, and
you know, the conversations being said that their taboos shouldn't happen,

(36:36):
you know at the sanctuary, I mean, uh, I think
we all believe in the power of prayer, but there's
a saying that a friend of mine has told me
that prayer without action has blasphemy. So you know we
have to definitely uh mob up and and and get
with our faith leaders as well welcome the church into
these conversations.

Speaker 9 (36:55):
Conversations.

Speaker 23 (36:57):
Yes, like you said, you know it's oh.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
No, no, no, not right, not go ahead, not go ahead?

Speaker 24 (37:05):
Oh okay, yeah, Just to pig itback on your point
there that we as you probably as you go around
the country, there are the differences in what you see
and how people are engaged. And like we think about
anything like as a bell shaped curve. They're going to
be people on one end who are advocates and champions.
They're going to be people who you know wan't move,
But most people it's in that middle part where you

(37:26):
can have those conversations and those faith leaders their congregants
are their constituents, and so some of the things that
happen is, you know, going into those places and having
them understand how this impacts their congregation, their community, and
really looking at other things that they may find more important.
So if you're going in there to do blood pressure screening,

(37:47):
diabetes screening, talking about vaccinations and then you can talk
about HIV testing and sexual health, and sometimes finding the
messengers from those congregants so they may not want somebody
from outside of the of their congregation to do the speaking,
but really finding partners and ambassadors within those settings, and
then having those faith leaders who are bought on to

(38:08):
like talking about sex and sexuality be the ones influencing
their other faith leaders. But you are right, they play
a critical role and really important parts of the conversation because.

Speaker 25 (38:19):
For you, you know, we talk about teens that are
sexually active, and you know, parents having the conversations about
birth control for example. You know that I feel like
there should be conversations about about pred Absolutely, no, there
should be conversations about preventative measures.

Speaker 24 (38:37):
You know, well, yeah, we're thinking about preventing pregnancy, we're
thinking about preventing HIV, and that's a great point you
brought up, because the Center for Disease Control did change
the guidelines two three years ago now to say that
anyone who's sexually active should have that conversation healthcare providers
around HIV prevention. So if you're having sexual your sexual actives,

(38:58):
so it's really important time.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
Get testify for yes, I think for if you're heterosexual.

Speaker 26 (39:06):
You know, we tend to put this in our homosexual community,
but this this affects.

Speaker 24 (39:12):
Everybody absolutely absolutely, And we talked about with for cis
gender women, that ninety one percent of sis gender women
who acquire HIV from heterosexual contact. So we really say,
if you're sexually active, we don't need to talk about
who you're having sex with, how you're having sex, what
sex you're having. Really, if you're sexually active, let's talk

(39:34):
about how you can prevent HIV and that is part
of your sexual health.

Speaker 23 (39:38):
It's part of that conversation.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Doc. Again, I follow our multiple chats and not everybody
is locked in it. So when you say cis gender,
what does that mean?

Speaker 23 (39:51):
All right?

Speaker 24 (39:51):
So that means women who are born female and who
also identify as female, So that's what gender birth is
also their gender identity.

Speaker 23 (40:01):
It's how they're identifying.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Because because you got folks who watch this show, they
don't use all kind of different terms. They just use
me and women. So they were like I was looking
at it, like what assist gender women? All right, go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 23 (40:14):
No, thank you, thank you for calling that out.

Speaker 24 (40:16):
We have to be always thank you for doing that
because we always have to do that with any audience
and make sure that we're clear. So thank you for
doing that. So it's it's a sex assigned out birth.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Joe.

Speaker 25 (40:27):
Also, also, we want to just touch on the fact
that you know, now they have home testing kits as well.
You know, the same way you can go to CVS
and and get a COVID test kit, you have a
home testing kit, you know, so you can get tested,
you know, in the privacy, you comfort of your own home.
You can get tested with your partner. You swab me,

(40:47):
I swab you.

Speaker 16 (40:49):
You know.

Speaker 25 (40:49):
These are these are methods everybody seems to love that campaign,
you know. Yeah, but on on a serious note, you know,
these these are these are alternatives that that that that
exists out there. I think, you know, again, it's about
normalizing the conversation, you know about sexual health.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
All right, Joe, go ahead, all.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Right, guys, Thank you so much, brother Rahim. I appreciate
your music, your work over the years. Like a lot
of people would say, I guess woman and Customer probably
still my favorite songs. But I think it's amazing that
above your art, in addition to your art, which is
already brilliant, you would actually connect with something that allows it.

(41:31):
I mean, this is what you sing about. So it's
a great fit and very as responsible as it is
brilliant for you to be making this connection, to have
this partnership, and I appreciate you for doing that.

Speaker 10 (41:43):
Doc.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
I want to add and ask and whoever can come
in should hear either of you. The fact that Gillyad
is doing what it's doing is great. Is there some
pivot that you're making or some adjustment that you make,
some raising of the stakes and additional.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Moneies that you're looking for, etc.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
On higher goals because of what we see happening on
the government side. I don't know how much or how
little you have government partners, but with the threats to
funding that have happened, and even some people could actually
even make this a dei thing where you don't want
to help women that you know, black women who are
disproportionately affected, because it would amount to a DEI thing.

(42:30):
Things that are that ridiculous are going on. So what
I want to know is is there some response from
Gilead to raise the stakes, to raise more money and
to have more even more targeted and higher goals because
of what you see happening on the government funding and
possibly the partnership side.

Speaker 23 (42:50):
Gray, Thank you so much for that question.

Speaker 24 (42:52):
And I think, like I started at the beginning, I
am in medical affairs Ghilliad and medical affairs boy I
can say confidently is that Gilliad Sciences remains committed to
making sure that we enhanced access and commitment to make
sure that people who need and want HIV prevention medications
and treatment get access to it.

Speaker 23 (43:13):
And so there is a commitment for that.

Speaker 24 (43:15):
I am not able to answer like funding questions or
questions around specific dollar amounts, but there is a commitment
to health equity and to making sure that people who
need and want access to our medications have that. And
so that is that commitment and ongoing partnerships to make
sure that that is happening. But I'm sure if there's

(43:35):
specific questions around funding and the funding types. There are
people within GILLIAD leadership who can answer that. We have
people in public affairs, government affairs and who are really
working on those partnerships constantly.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
All right, then, well again, when you talk about health
issues in this country, this is so many other those
African Americans unfortunately at the top of the bottom, depending
upon how it is rated. And absolutely when it comes
to getting the information out there, you know, directing those

(44:12):
media dollars to black owned media is important as well,
not just ABC, NBCCBS and again having those on the
ground conversations that are the tough ones that folks don't
want to have but actually absolutely need to happen. So
so appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Thank you so very much, Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (49:36):
Prosecutors in Jacksonville, Florida have decided not to file charges
against the cops who repeatedly punched a black man during interreest.
Nobody is shocked by that. In February, on the traffic stop,
William McNeill Jr. Refused to edit his vehicle after requesting
a supervisor multiple times. In response, the officers broke McNeill's

(49:58):
windows and struck himself were times in the head. Following
the announcement and no charges would be pursued, McNeil and
his family held a news conference with their attorneys, Harry Daniels.
As well as being crop.

Speaker 30 (50:13):
He's my firstborn, he's also my only son. I have
four children. He is the only boy. I have three girls.
Today I seen that video. I couldn't finish it past
the window breaking. It wasn't until maybe a few months

(50:38):
ago I finally finished the whole video. But I'm thankful
to God for protecting him because I know what the
outcome could have been. But I believe in faith in God.
It's what protected my only son.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
And I think I.

Speaker 31 (51:01):
Wasna saw the father stepfather, but I can't call him
my stepson because this is my son.

Speaker 12 (51:10):
Yes, sir, i I've been through.

Speaker 31 (51:12):
What he's been through to see that video made me
go back to the moment when I was twenty two.

Speaker 12 (51:20):
It hurted, It made me upset.

Speaker 31 (51:26):
But I seen what my son did that I had
to do right, and he sot right and he did right.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
To see that.

Speaker 31 (51:44):
It's a hurting fitting right to be a father that
loved God first.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
And to see all my kids not being able to wake.

Speaker 31 (51:57):
Up in the morning and get my phone calls sing
your child is good.

Speaker 12 (52:01):
That's what hurt. But I thank God, Yeah, just God
got him all right, y'all.

Speaker 32 (52:09):
First of all, I don't thank God for bringing everybody
here together, and thank y'all for supporting.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
That day.

Speaker 32 (52:19):
I just really wanted to know, you know why I
was getting pulled over, and wow, I needed to step
out of the car and then I know I didn't do
nothing wrong.

Speaker 12 (52:31):
Uh, I was really just scared. And yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
That's it, folks. On a couple of days ago, the
sheriff announce for TK Waters released body camera footage. He
said that my little cell phone video of the arrested
not provide a complete picture. Despite this, the officer who
initiated to stop has been stripped of his law of
his law enforcement authority. I mean let's just be real clear, Scott,

(53:03):
it's no shock. This sheriff, who has been described as
a maga sheriff, was not going to do anything. He
was defending his officers. But anybody who watch it, watches
the video knows full will they're stopping him, saying they're
stopping him, saying, oh, you didn't have your lights on
doing inclement weather. When the cops pulled up, they had
a head lights on. Okay, uh, it was it was

(53:26):
daytime that there were dropped. There were rained, there were
rain drops on the window window, on the on the
windows shield. But if you actually look at a video,
his video or the body can footage, it's not raining
at all. And so so we know what the so
Harry Daniels said, the pretext was to stop him, and
they got pissed off because multiple times he requested survivor

(53:49):
requested a supervisor, and then when they said get out
of the car, he closed the door and he kept saying, please,
can I see a supervisor? And you're a black all
these people talk about, well, just comply, we have done
way too many of these stories, Scott, where a black
man complies on a routine traffic stop and the families

(54:10):
didn't have at a funeral.

Speaker 9 (54:13):
Yeah, and this kid survived.

Speaker 33 (54:15):
So let me tell you, whenever we do these videos,
I like to take your listeners.

Speaker 11 (54:21):
And viewers into the video because what you don't see here.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
And this gets back to police training.

Speaker 9 (54:29):
This is a problem with police training.

Speaker 34 (54:31):
There is not one cop there who is trying to
de escalate the situation.

Speaker 11 (54:37):
What's the rush. He's in the car, he's not going anywhere.
He wants to see a supervisor.

Speaker 27 (54:44):
In most jurisdictions, once you ask for a supervisor, all
police conduct stops unless he is a threat to himself
or a threat to the officer or to the community.

Speaker 11 (54:55):
So you wait there until the supervisor come. Now, technically
he's got to obey a police order. But the fact
that he disobeys a police order in most juriddictions of
violation or misdemeanor. And again, what is the rush?

Speaker 35 (55:10):
Why break the window and grat and grab him out
and take him out, because they've been trained that once
you disobey a police order or directive, then all bets
are off.

Speaker 33 (55:20):
You can use force, sometimes deadly force, inappropriately in order
to get compliance to a police order that may be innocuous,
may not mean anything.

Speaker 10 (55:32):
If his life was out, you get him a ticket
and you keep going. But that's not what they did.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
No de escalation.

Speaker 11 (55:39):
And so the training and police departments across this country
have got to have a de escalation factor in there
where you may not like him disagreeing with you or
not agreeing with your order, but he's exercising his constitutional right.
He's not threatening you, he doesn't have a gun. What's
the rush? And so often these police departments are in

(56:01):
a rush to not only enforce the law, but.

Speaker 26 (56:04):
To have the opportunity to use force and making an arrest.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
It's just really highly unapproved. Until that training changes, Roland,
We're gonna keep looking at videos like this in the future.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Well, and they also, Rebecca, get pissed off and angry
that you dare question them, you dare question their authority,
and so and again, if you watch we played the video,
he doesn't escalate the situation. And what's crazy is when
when you listen to it, the first cop talking reasonable

(56:36):
until he says, can't see a supervisor. When the second
cops comes along, he goes, you know what, talking reasonable
until excuse me, until he gets for a supervisor, and
then he goes Okay, bust it, and it's like to
Scott's one, what the hell are you rushing for? Why
does it have to escalate to where you bust the window,

(56:58):
You're dragging them out? I'm down. That's one of the
things we say, Okay, you want supervisor. We're gonna call
supervisor because you're trying to de escalate, Rebecca. But these
cops don't want to do that, Rebecca.

Speaker 13 (57:11):
So I'm gonna pick a fight here and disagree with Scott. Scott,
you're own. This has nothing to do with training. We
could train until the cows come home, and guess what's
going to happen. These racist institutions are going to be
racist institutions, and they're going to continue to be outsized
violence against people of color, specifically black folks and black men,
especially when it comes to their interactions with law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
This has nothing to do with training. The next thing.

Speaker 13 (57:38):
The next thing that I would say is, you know,
over the years, we have covered countless stories like this
and afterwards, regardless if it's a quote.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Unquote positive outcome, i e.

Speaker 13 (57:49):
Someone didn't die, or it is a negative outcome of
where there was death of a black person at the
hands of law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
We routinely see the black family get up.

Speaker 13 (58:01):
They invoke God, almost as if it's too appeal to
the white nationalists in this country that supports this type
of racism through law enforcement towards black men in this country.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
And at some point the black community, my community, our community.

Speaker 13 (58:16):
Is going to be sick and tired, because it doesn't
matter if we are if we're dressed up, if we're
dressed down, and for obeying commands or not obeying commands,
if the endpoint is certain death because of in a
routine interaction with law enforcement, something has to give.

Speaker 26 (58:35):
Yeah, no, we can both be right by the way, Rebecca,
you know, Rayland.

Speaker 11 (58:39):
One other thing, real quick is this when the police
put you on the ground and put a knee in
your back and put hands on your face and I'm
plunging you to get you to comply, it is physiologically
impossible to comply because when your head is pushed to
the ground, your face to the ground, your body naturally
reacts to push you to bread, to push up, to

(59:02):
not have discomfort, and police automatically read that as non compliance,
which means they use force to bring you into compliance.
And forget that this is a routine traffic stop or
over all lights. That's all it is. This isn't a
murder suspect, right, and so we can both be right.
We need to get better, please need to be better.

(59:22):
But it's just tough, man. It's tough to be black
in America.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, and again, Joe, it was a headlight. Your headlights
weren't on. I mean, this is I mean, Joe, here's
what I this is literally how easy that was. You
get pulled over? Hey, sir, I pulled you over because

(59:46):
I noticed your headlights were not on. This is inclement weather.
And then when you have weatherlight this here, the law
states you need your headlight on because the car in
front of you and behind you need to be to
see your car. Because it's great, it could be raining.
So just a reminder, sir, keep your head lights on
the cleming weather. Have a good day. That's literally the

(01:00:10):
fucking stop.

Speaker 10 (01:00:13):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
It could have been.

Speaker 9 (01:00:14):
So yeah, that's it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Let me let me let me first.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Of all, if hold on, hold on, let me add,
let me add that's if that was your intention for
the stop, Joe.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
Joe, go ahead, right, yeah, yeah, there's there's your big if.

Speaker 8 (01:00:29):
So first of all, I'm going to shout out the
officer UH white Cat in Burtleby, South Carolina, who pulled
me over a couple of weeks ago when I was
caught red handed speeding, and so I was running to
get something while we're getting ready to move our daughter
from from UH from South Carolina to to louve O, Kentucky.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
And he was just as nice and respectful as he
can be.

Speaker 8 (01:00:52):
He had me dead to rights, and I knew he
was gonna give me a ticket, and and the brother
just gave me a warning. So I said, thank you.
I appreciate being reminded of those types of things. Now,
I agreed with Scott's point about compliance. The point that
you're making about compliance, it's impossible to comply because there
are natural reflexes, you know. And here's the biggest problem

(01:01:14):
next door to this whole thing. Listen, I am certain
that the sucker punch was not in the report, right.
So the problem that they have is that they told
a different story in that report than what it is
that ultimately came out. They didn't expect that to come
out because you know, he would ahead and he pled
within twenty four hours because he kind of didn't know,
you know, how else to deal with it or whatever.

(01:01:36):
And I'm glad the brothers survived the contact. That's always
an important thing. The problem becomes when police officers make
this leap from quote non compliance. You know, there's an
argument that, Okay, is he not complying because he asked
for an officer, because he's answered a question with a question.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
You know, there's a matter of the compliance issues.

Speaker 8 (01:01:56):
But then they take this leap to their safety somehow
being it's so it's an ego thing. It's not a
and I think it's a race thing too often, but
it's it's but now it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Ego because the Causchball, one of the cops that participating
this was a black cop.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
Right, Yeah, for sure when it comes to that, the
colors blue, right, you know what I mean. I mean,
look at what they're saying in the press conference. We're
not surprised that they're not getting that they're they're not
going to be prosecuted. And so it's an ego thing.
He jumps over from non compliance to being in a
threat for actual safety and now you do what it
is that you do, and it's something that they don't

(01:02:35):
want to answer for right. So if you're sheepish about it,
then you don't and and you don't write reports out
fully and totally when something comes out that you didn't
want to come out. You punched him in the in
the car. You punched him when you got him ount
of a car, and they're far you out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh you forgot, you forgot, you forgot, you forgot. Also
we saw a knife.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Oh yeah, Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
I think, okay, what for marijuana? He probably more common
supposed to less.

Speaker 8 (01:03:02):
Let's keep it real, you know, it wasn't all of
that right to your point, it wasn't all of that.
And that's not something that they had to do that,
you know, And because what some people will do, particularly
the you know, the white maggots, y'all.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Hey, you know how y'all doing, Just can't y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:03:16):
Watching what y'all do, is you'll say, well, he didn't comply,
he wasn't perfect, he wasn't this, he wasn't that. As
long as you put the same standard to the officer
that's supposed to know what to do and that is
responsible legally for doing ex or Y or Z. And
he's supposed to know because that's what he does all
day every day. If you say it that way, I

(01:03:38):
can disagree with you, but at least you're consistent. But
you don't hear them saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That absolutely, And so let me give it me. First
of all, Joe, that's cool to happen with you. I
ain't quite actually, I ain't do like you do. So
first of all, what happened, Well, first I can't even
go bang on no cop, no, no, no, no, it wasn't.
So what happened wasn't. First of all, was he hiding
and he clocked you? Is that what happened?

Speaker 10 (01:04:04):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
To be honest with you, I was making a beeline
to the stove, you know, picking up some stuff when
the movers were getting ready to come, and the whole thing,
trying to get back.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
So I didn't see where he came from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Say that, say that, say that the street.

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
I turned off of.

Speaker 8 (01:04:19):
But it was a residential neighborhood, right, it's about fifty
five and thirty dead to rights. He had me right,
He was totally respectful, very cool. But I'm not gonna
give him no reason to bang on me in any event.

Speaker 36 (01:04:31):
Right, Well, I, well, my shouldn't I So I shouldn't
be so relieved they did the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I had. I mean, well I had.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I had one other little different. I was leading different.
I was leaving, we had some meetings, and the black
woman's stooting at Texas A and M in college station,
and I'm trying to get back to Dallas, and I
had I think I was trying to get back to Dallas.

Speaker 16 (01:04:52):
To watch the game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I forgot what it was. Well, let's just say I
was coming.

Speaker 16 (01:04:56):
Uh it was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I wasn't even passed. I hadn't even got to Waco.
And this cause in front of me, just going way
too slow. I was driving. I was driving. Uh that
probably I got that monster me out, I can't remember,
and so I hopped over. I'm doing about eighty five
straight up, I ain't lying, and see see I think
I went ahead and got the ticket because it actually
makes for a better story. So what happened was, Yo,

(01:05:21):
I'm not rebecolle your head, Recca. I'm serious. I'm serious, No, no, no, no,
So I'm so I'm like, I'm doing about eighty five
and I look over and I see it's a cop.
Then I was like, ship, he already got me. So
I sped up.

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
So I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Did I did. I sped up, and I was like,
with hell, I'm all r on the side of him,
and I know he probably put up like I know
he did not just speed up, but I did, so,
you know, so I went ahead, and you know, did
I don't know. I took some class or whatever the hell.
But I figured traffic school, you just paid out traffic
sounding what the hell I did? It was traffic school something,

(01:06:07):
but I figured it made for a better store and
be pulling off. Uh yeah, I just throw down and
get by it because he was just going too damn slow. Okay,
it was an open road, it was a Saturday, damn it.
I had somewhere to go, all right, straight up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
I have to say I didn't speed all the way
to Louisville. He is he affected me. He got ten hours.
I didn't spend.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I did what you say, Rebecca, as.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Though you should have left earlier, then you didn't have
to speed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Oh hell no, I would have been still speeding. I
love earlier. What the hell you talking about? Damn it? Dammit.
If the old dominance said it went to one forty,
I only was doing eighty five. Ain't like that. It
isn't like when I drove before the Dallas and Houston.
I hit one ten. I'm just saying. I mean, you
know it happens.

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
Keep talking, keep talking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
No, I'm just telling you. I'm just out drove.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
It was a Saturday, I was going home and it
was an open highway and I was top down. Put
that bad boy cruise control one hundred and ten. He's
my brother's like, my brother's like, honey, hell, you get
here that fast? He said, you came from Dallas right
downas in Houston's about four hours, four hours, four fifteen
hour house. I did it in three h five. He
was like, how did Joe? I like, hey, cruise control

(01:07:17):
worked all right.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
I gotta did you slow up after you got stopped
when you pulled off, did you slow up then?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Or did you No? No, no, no, no. First of all, no,
you gotta you don't know. You gotta take off. You
gotta you gotta go to speed limit because you're still
in the town limit. But then once you get to
the next town, hell, you can go ahead and take
off because he ain't got youurisdictions. All right, let me
go to commercial break. We come back. All these little
mag of people. I love how they trying to distract

(01:07:43):
from Epstein. They can't. They tried all they can. Now
they trying to talk about Josel Gabber. I'm gonna refer
to the DJ for them to arrest Obama. He okay,
let's try that bullshit. Oh but I'm sorry, y'all. Do
know this video of Tolci saying the Russians in the
field as always video so I got a smack her
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Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Well. Democrats are blashed these idiot Magan Republicans for what
they say is a shameful dodge canceling Thursday's House votes
instead of demanding transparency around the Jeffrey Epstein files, Democratic
House Leader Hakim Jeffreys says, the American people deserve answers,
not more and more and more Republican excuses.

Speaker 39 (01:10:36):
Trump administration and House Republicans have been a complete and
total failure. These Maggie extremists promised that they were going
to lower costs in the United States of America. In fact,
they promised the American people that costs would go down
on day one. But costs having gone down, they are

(01:10:59):
on the way up. Inflation is up. It's the quality
of life of everyday Americans that is deteriorating, and Donald
Trump and House Republicans are making things worse. The One
Big Ugly Bill will rip away healthcare from millions of Americans.

(01:11:24):
Hospitals will close, Nursing homes will shut down, community based
health clinics will be unable to operate, and as a
result of the inability of everyday Americans to get the
medical care that they need, people will die. This is
a direct result of action taken by Donald Trump and

(01:11:48):
House Republicans connected to the One Big Ugly Bill. It's
extraordinary that as we prepare to leave for the August
district work period. Republicans can point to is a toxic
and extreme Republican budget that will cause millions of Americans

(01:12:10):
to be broke, sick, and hungry. That's the legislative accomplishment
of House Republicans, and all of this was done to
reward billionaires with massive tax breaks. The one big Ugly

(01:12:32):
Bill is deeply unpopular, Donald Trump is deeply unpopular, and
House Republicans having done a damned thing to make life
more affordable for the American people. During the August district
work period, House Democrats will hold events all across the

(01:12:54):
country talking about our effort to build an affordable economy
that lowers the high cost of living in the United
States of America, to protect the healthcare of the American people,
and to combat the culture of corruption that exists in

(01:13:15):
this town that undermines the ability to have a government
of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Speaker 9 (01:13:27):
We're looking forward.

Speaker 39 (01:13:29):
To holding town hall meetings across the country at the
same time that Republicans will continue to run away from
town hall meetings, but we will fill the void that
they are leaving and engage aggressively with the American people,
all in service of building a country where everyone can

(01:13:55):
experience the American dream.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
All right, now the stalls Congress. We're taking a six
week recess. So Mike Johnson said, man, y'all go home
five days early because you know what, we ain't gonna
sit here and do all this sort of stuff with
these with these votes, because they don't want to have
to deal with that. All right, So that's what they're
literally doing. Now check this out. You have to understand

(01:14:19):
when you look at that compared to what all these
idiots are doing. Okay, all right, So now they're trying
to sit here and no, no, that's not what's going on.
That's not what's going on. So now they're trying to
do that. Now they're trying to go but they y'all,
they pull in the Hillary emails, They trying to go
by to twenty sixteen, all this sort of nonsense, and

(01:14:40):
it's literally a distractions. They're trying to sit here and
play the okie do and they think we're gonna fall
for it now, y'all. It was a bipartisan City Intelligence committee.
Literally it was lived by Republicans that actually supported the
findings that Russia was trying to trying to impact the election.
Security experts. It is laser report from Trump's doctor dash Intelligence.

(01:15:04):
Who's that really intelligent? Tulsa Gabbert, Is it real? It's
political spin? I check this out. Here's Trump trying to
urge lawmakers, saying, Obama cheat it, you chat it, you
chet it. Listen.

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
After what they did to me, and.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Obama's been caught directly.

Speaker 10 (01:15:30):
So people say, oh, you know a group.

Speaker 9 (01:15:31):
It's not a group, it's Obama.

Speaker 40 (01:15:33):
His orders are on the paper, the papers are signed,
the papers came right out of their office. They send
everything to be highly classified.

Speaker 12 (01:15:41):
Well the highly.

Speaker 40 (01:15:41):
Classified it's been released, and what they did in twenty
sixteen and in twenty twenty is very criminal.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
It's criminal at the highest level.

Speaker 40 (01:15:52):
So that's really the things you should be talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
I know nothing about the other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Okay, we're gonna try and hear all that, but guess
what y'all h July twenty eighteen, that idiot said this.

Speaker 41 (01:16:09):
Let me be totally clear in saying that, and I've
said this many times, I accept our intelligent communities conclusion
that Russia's meddling in the twenty sixteen election to the place.

Speaker 9 (01:16:25):
Could be other people also, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Out there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Quite interesting. Now, the same Tulsi Gabbard, the same one
who now claims I have the evidence. Here's her on
Joe Rogan's podcast in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 42 (01:16:52):
I think when you're talking about and there's so many
I don't know. I'm kind of going in a few
different directions here with these social media giants, how they're
being misused to further certain agendas in different ways. But
when you're talking about like these Russian troll farms that
you that you mentioned, what is missing from all of

(01:17:16):
the news coverage around this and all of the outrage
about how this foreign country is trying to influence our elections,
which is wrong and which the American people need to
be aware of. Where this information is coming from, is
the fact that we and you're saying, why does somebody
do that? Well, because this country does want to influence

(01:17:37):
who we're electing, right, I would rather work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
With this person.

Speaker 42 (01:17:39):
We know that person is not gonna be nice to us.

Speaker 23 (01:17:42):
The United States has.

Speaker 42 (01:17:43):
Been doing this for a very long time, sure in
countries around the world, both overtly and covertly through these
kinds of disinformation campaigns, not even counting like the outright
regime change wars.

Speaker 23 (01:17:57):
We're going to physically take you out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
And I think it is.

Speaker 42 (01:18:04):
Very hypocritical for us to be discussing this issue as
a country without actually being honest about how this goes
both ways. So, yes, we need to stop these other
foreign countries, and Russia is not the only one. There
are others from trying to influence the American people in
our elections. We also need to stop doing the same

(01:18:25):
thing in other countries.

Speaker 43 (01:18:27):
Yeah, without doubt. But there's also the question is what
is Russia trying to achieve? Why do they want someone
like Donald Trump in office versus someone like Hiller Clinton?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Like what is to be gained?

Speaker 43 (01:18:41):
And how much you know, I mean, how much do
they benefit from that? This is what's really one of
the big questions that's going on right now. Yeah, with
all the Russian hearings and the Mueller investigation and trying
to get to the bottom of all this and why
they did what they did and what they did, And
there's many people that are blowing this off and they
don't think it's important. And you know, the President's claiming

(01:19:02):
it's a witch hunt. But it's very odd that we're
having this conversation in the first place. It's never existed
before in any single presidential election. There's never been talk
of US or any politician that's running for president being
influenced by a foreign superpower before today. It's just amazing
that it took until twenty sixteen before this became a

(01:19:24):
real issue.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Well that's what happens when you have a compromised person
running for the oval office. But the line gets better, y'all,
So watch this. In twenty nineteen, Fox host Sean Hannity
said point blank he had quote zero doubt that Russia
medal in the twenty sixteen election. Yet last night in

(01:19:50):
a one eighty hmm, I wonder why.

Speaker 44 (01:19:58):
Conservatives believe that that Ukraine was responsible for election interference
in twenty sixteen and not Russia. It's a conspiracy theory. No,
I've never said that. We pointed out many times on
this program. Russia is a hostile regime led by a
hostile actor, Vladimir Putin, who were not going to have
more flexibility with ever. I have zero doubt they meddled

(01:20:20):
in the twenty sixteen elections. I'm certain they did. Devin
Nuness was warning Obama in twenty fourteen it would happened,
but they did nothing. And by the way, yeah, look
at the dirty Russian dossier that Hillary bought and paid
for according to the New York Times, very late in
the game. Likely Russian disinformation from the beginning. And yes,
Russia interfered in our twenty sixteen elections. They have done

(01:20:42):
it before, They're going to try and do it again.
Every indication is also, though separate and apart, Ukraine interfered
in our elections as well, and I have no doubt
others the January eleventh, twenty seventeen political reports in detail.
If you read these declassified documents, and I have read them,
it is very very clear that they did not make

(01:21:03):
the assessment that there was any interference, Russian interference in
that election. The only Russian interference in the twenty sixteen
election actually was the Hillary Clinton bought and paid for
Russian disinformation dossier, which we know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Was completely debunked. They knew it was debunked before.

Speaker 44 (01:21:21):
They ever used it as the basis of not one
before PISA warrants. And then of course they had the
meeting in the White House only weeks before Obama left office,
and then minutes before Donald Trump was sworn in. Then
it was the Susan Rice Cya memo. Barack Obama said,
do everything by the book about a meeting weeks ago.

(01:21:41):
James Comey said do everything by the book weeks ago.
So there's a lot here. They all lied, And I'm
proud that this show and our ensemble cast of wonderful
people Solomon, Greg Jarrett, Sarah Carter and others we got
to write. Rest of the media went along with the lies,
the hoax, the conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yo as just lied like they act, like video does
not exist of them lying. In fact, Trump Secretary of
State Barcar Rubil, you know, used to be the center
from Florida. This is Little Marco confirming Russia's interference in

(01:22:29):
the twenty sixteen election.

Speaker 45 (01:22:31):
The cyber tools were used as a means to an end.
It isn't necessarily what we should be focused on here.
What we're talking about here is active measures. The active
measures taken by the government of Vladimir Putin to influence
and to potentially manipulate American public opinion for the purpose
of discrediting individual political figures sowing chaos and division in

(01:22:52):
our politics, so in doubts about the legitimacy of our elections.
So when I if you look at the situation we
now face, here's the aftermath. We had an election where
after some intrusions into some state databases, there was a
leading with the one nominee for president warning about fraud
in the election.

Speaker 16 (01:23:12):
And then after the election, we have some on the other.

Speaker 45 (01:23:16):
Side questioning the legitimacy of the president elect because of
Russian interference, and we have the president elect questioning the
credibility of the intelligence community because of its findings.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
This sounds like a.

Speaker 45 (01:23:27):
Pretty effective and successful effort to sow chaos, to undermine
credibility of our leaders and of our government institutions. In essence,
it sounds like they achieved what they wanted to get
us to fight against each other over whether our elections
were legitimate and divide us in the way that so
is the sort of chaos that they sought to achieve.

Speaker 28 (01:23:50):
It gets better being crazy deranged sicko Tolsi Gabbert again
the director of National Intiltelligence, who was literally not intelligent.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
She takes it a step further. Listen to this rabbit nonsense.

Speaker 42 (01:24:11):
In the January twenty seventeen Intelligence Community assessment that President
Obama ordered John Brennan, whose CIA director at the time,
and the Intelligence community intentionally suppressed intelligence that showed Putin
was saving the most damaging material that he had in
his possession about Hillary Clinton until after her potential and

(01:24:31):
likely victory. The report goes into great detail about the
information that Russia and Putin had which on Hillary Clinton,
which included possible criminal acts like secret meetings with multiple
named US religious organizations in which State Department officials offered
in exchange for supporting Secretary Clinton's campaign for the presidency,

(01:24:54):
significant increases in financing from the State Department. So had
documents that showed the patronage of the State Department to
State Department employees who would go and support Hillary Clinton's
presidential campaign. There were high level DNC emails that detailed
evidence of Hillary's quote psycho emotional problems, uncontrolled fits of anger, aggression,

(01:25:18):
and cheerfulness, and that then Secretary Clinton was allegedly on
a daily regiment of heavy tranquilizers. Then CIA Director Brennan
and the intelligence community mischaracterized intelligence and relied on dubious,
substandard sources to create a contrived, false narrative that Putin
developed a quote unquote clear preference for Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
If y'all want to understand why all of this is
going on, there are some legitimate reasons. There are some
legitimate reasons why this is happening. Do y'all know what
they are? Yeah, that's because they knew what was coming

(01:26:07):
down the pipe. They knew what was happening, such as
seeing inn reporting the photos of Trump at Jeffrey Epstein's Sorry,

(01:26:28):
photos of Jeffrey Epstein at Trump's wedding, yep uh, huh,
that's right. Look at this here, boone right. Andrew Kazinsky
tweet knew we uncovered multiple photos of Jeffrey Epstein at
Donald Trump's wedding, photos of the pair together earlier this year,

(01:26:49):
that year at an event, and video of Epstein and
Trump at the nineteen niney nine Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
Kazinski had a brief phone call with President Trump this
morning when I asked about the wedding for those showing
Epstein attended, he was finding you gotta be kidding me,
calling seeing it fake news and hanging up, dude, they
have photos of Epstein at your wedding to Martlin Naples.

(01:27:19):
Now the Wall Street Journal, you know the paper that
Trump says is gonna suit. Y'all know what they're reporting.
Do y'all know that they're reporting that. Attorney General Pam
Bondi told Trump, Hey, boss, your name came up in

(01:27:42):
the files.

Speaker 12 (01:27:45):
Go to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Justice Department told Trump in May that this name is
among many in the Epstein files. Bondie also told President
at the meeting that Justice Justice decided not to release
more Jeffrey Epstein documents because of the presence of child
pornography and the need to protect victims. He's I'm the

(01:28:11):
test if I told y'all Trump lies about lies. So
when they reporters asked him about that story, he goes, oh,
she never told me that. She never told me that
that boy will lie about a lie. Y'all. This is
why they're trying to bring up the Russia stuff. This

(01:28:34):
is why they're talking about the Washington commanders need to
go back to the Redskins. This is why they're talking.
They're talking about toemel fungus or whatever the hell I mean.
They're gonna come up with anything, right, Rebecca's looking like,
what the hell, Rebecca. That's my whole point. They will

(01:28:54):
come up with anything to not to not have to
deal with Epstein because they don't want to have to
own them to the fact Joe that he was kicking
it with the pedal.

Speaker 8 (01:29:09):
Fire, kicking it with like it might have been might
have been kicking it like Jeff Norris, really, you know
what I mean. And so so the problem is, so
you certainly have to distract et cetera. You know, Trump
and those guys that kind of do what they do
in plain sight, and they expect people not to pay.

Speaker 7 (01:29:30):
Attention to it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:31):
And they've had some success on the whole distraction tip, right,
you know what I mean. And so it was clear
to me, first of all that that whole oh, let's
get some documents released down in Florida was a red
herring for two reasons. First of all, they could have
been reasonably certain that the judge was never going to

(01:29:51):
allow that, and the judge did not allow that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:54):
So you can say, oh, we tried.

Speaker 8 (01:29:55):
The other thing too, is you know, related to that,
it's not going to get released because there are some
private things in there, you know, names of people, some
of those types of things private information. But also it
wasn't going to say enough about Trump to make a difference,
if anything about Trump, because Trump wasn't the one being
prosecuted at that time related to that issue. And so

(01:30:17):
now you fast forward, you've got this issue now. You know,
some of us want to talk about the loss of Medicaid,
some of us want to talk about the big ugly
bill things that are happening with that. But these guys
are one hundred percent change the subject now. They got
Obama guilty of treason, even though you've got people that

(01:30:37):
are in the administration now, not just Republicans, actual people
who are turning around on the very words that they
said years ago. Gabert gabbered little Marco saying something totally
dimetrically opposed to what they said not very long ago,
to help him just detract from the issue. Because that

(01:31:02):
Epstein thing is hot, and I got to tell you,
you know, I have to make a confession here. I
really didn't think that they that people would really jump
on it. I really didn't think that the Maga folk
would jump on it, particularly because could they be unwise
enough to know that if those reports and those lists
were actually true and complete that Trump could potentially be

(01:31:24):
on them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
No jo Yo Joe. They thought it was gonna be
Bill Clinton all day.

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
Yeah, I just that's the sincere blindness. Like that is crazy,
just like that, you know, just like that letter that
he wrote to him for his birthday and all this
other stuff. I mean, you guys really know.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
See.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
See the problem is once you start really saying, oh,
I want the truth, whatever the truth is, if you
rock with Trump, eventually that's going to be a problem.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
You might have to ignore the truth like you have
so many times before. So I'm not sure I put
it past you to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
I mean, they still people, you know, up in the
up in the pizza Pola looking for the basement like
his people, He's big adventure Vlamo. You know what I mean,
people are still doing that. It's crazy to me that
if you really believe and you really are going after
the truth, that this can't bite you at some point,
because there's no way that that he would not be

(01:32:25):
listed or mentioned in a situation where you're actually having
a complete investigation and completely and then the reporting that
Bondi has told Trump you're on the list or you're
mentioned proves our point.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I am just they actually thought, Rebecca, we were gonna
fall for the okie though the banana in the tailpipe.
They were like, yeah, they're gonna take the bait. They're
gonna they're gonna take debate again. It's like, now we're
not gonna file for the brand the tailpipe. Uh And

(01:32:59):
and they have been trying to switch the story now
for two weeks, and Rebecca, you can't get you know,
there's some stitch that fabreeze can't cover up. You're just
gonna be You're just gonna smell for a very You're

(01:33:21):
just gonna be funky for a very long time. It's
just it's it's gonna be in your pores, Roland.

Speaker 13 (01:33:28):
Like I said last week, the cloud of flatulents that
people are talking about in DC that's surrounding Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 13 (01:33:36):
If Leader Jeffries reached out to me and was like, Rebecca,
what should I do over the next forty five days.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
I would tell them to do the following.

Speaker 13 (01:33:45):
Get ready and go on Rogan's show, Get ready to
do some live streams on Twitch, and spend your entire
recess talking about the Epstein valves. Make speaker Johnson Rue
the day that he decided to cut down because he
understood that there were enough votes to demand the release
of the Epstein fouls. Talk about that every single day

(01:34:08):
for the next forty five days. Because if Leader Jeffries
wants to be Speaker Jeffries, this is his path to
flipping the House next year.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Not only that stir up some trouble in Texas.

Speaker 13 (01:34:22):
Connect the attempt to redistrict in Texas as a last
and weak grasp, but that this White House is doing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
In order to cover up the Epstein fouls.

Speaker 13 (01:34:33):
Tie every single thing moving forward that he'd used his
opposition to be doing, and tie it to the Epstein fouls.
If Speaker Johnson wants to talk about these tax cuts
for the billionaires, talk about these are tax cuts for
people who are associates of Epstein.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Every single day.

Speaker 13 (01:34:50):
Connect every single issue, every single thing that the Republicans
are doing, tie it to Epstein. I think that if Speaker,
if Leader Jeffries does that, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Going to gain traction.

Speaker 13 (01:35:02):
He's going to not just have the left the left
wing media if there is a left wing media left,
but he will also be able to dominate and take
over right wing media and right wing new sources aligned,
especially within the realm of new media, He'll be able
to reach the audiences that aren't locked in to him

(01:35:24):
doing these press conferences, it's talking about the American dream
when we all know there is no American dream. Instead,
he needs to punch, punch hard, and make sure that
speaker Johnson feels every single day over the next forty
five days.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
In fact, I'm gonna go even further, Scott, I'm gonna
seeing some people to Mike Johnson's church with signs outside
saying what would Jesus do? Might well.

Speaker 46 (01:36:04):
Give me the top three reasons why Trump would not
release these files.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
You know, you know you don't need You know you
don't need Scott, Scott, Scott, God, God, Scot, Scot. You
don't need three God God, No, No, you asked for three,
you don't need three. Here's one. No, no, no, no, no,
it's only one reason. He'll understand Donald Trump.

Speaker 17 (01:36:31):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
No, he hates to admit defeat. So what he will
do he will compound his problem as opposed to admit defeat.
You got to remember, he's psychotic, he's deranged, he's narcissistic,
and so if he if he can't control the pieces.

(01:36:55):
He goes crazy and he's right now like, what the
hell damn it? I told he literally, he said, stop
talking about this. He calls Charlie the Kirk on the
phone stop discussing, and Charlie goes, hey, Trump cald me.
He said, don't talk about it. You know you just
turned into another story. And so RecA just said.

Speaker 21 (01:37:17):
Is it is?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
You hit him every day? Come back on September you
go say, do we're gonna vote? I know we're gonna
vote on that amendment. What are he gonna do? He
gonna send him home Fox for September. Come back in October, say,
bra we gonna vote on that amendment. That's the deal.
It's the one thing he cannot he cannot admit defeat

(01:37:40):
because his ego says, I have.

Speaker 16 (01:37:43):
To always win well.

Speaker 47 (01:37:46):
But there's another reason, Roland. We keep talking about his
name being in the files. I want to see the
photographs and the videos and the pictures.

Speaker 48 (01:37:57):
I want to see because because if he's in a
bad way or a compromise position, that's a really important
reason why not to release those files? After he and
everyone else on MAGA and his cabinet members all said
they were gonna release them.

Speaker 10 (01:38:14):
See, they fed this bear.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Bondy and Trump and others fed.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
This bear during the campaign, and.

Speaker 11 (01:38:20):
Now that the dog is caught up with the car,
they looked in the car and they saw Donald Trump
there in a compromise position.

Speaker 9 (01:38:27):
So now they don't want to release it.

Speaker 34 (01:38:29):
Does anybody really believe the god had said you could
just kiss a woman without a permission or touch her
in the private part, or that he if he wasn't
for the woman being his daughter he dated and he
runs around with Epstein for fifteen years. If you had
to bet on whether he's in the files in a
negative way in his mind, you gotta bet on the

(01:38:51):
fact that he is, given his prior background, cluding being
found liable for sexual assault.

Speaker 9 (01:38:59):
I mean, it's just all right there.

Speaker 10 (01:39:01):
It's just too juicy to think that there's some.

Speaker 33 (01:39:04):
Other reason block out the names of the of the
victims and block out other sensitive stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:39:13):
But the rest of it ought to come out.

Speaker 49 (01:39:15):
There's no other there's no reason for it, not to none,
none whatsoever. Sixty five percent of the people want it out,
maybe eighty percent, I think, want it out. Why he
releases everything but he won't release this because he's up
in it in a bad way.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
I ain't say, dog, I'm just being perfectly honest. I
think that's the real I think this is the real,
weird reason why his ankles are swollen. Why Anthony, come.

Speaker 9 (01:39:49):
On, dog, you know stresses some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
The stress is on his ass and them ankles just them.
Let he's gonna get bigger and bigger. He's gonna be
looking like madea real soon. He gonna he got Listen,
I you got them criminal, he got them cankles. Look,
I'm just I was just I'm laughing, And listen, I say,

(01:40:17):
hit that fool every single day, not did a day
go by? And if he tried. Jeffrey Jeffy, jeff Jeffrey Jeffrey.
That's right. You know what's gonna happen next. You know
what's gonna happen next. It's gonna be more photos coming
out the whole love Dog people who were at the
wed and gonna be posting their photos in the food.
That's all it's going on. All right, let me go

(01:40:38):
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Yes, that is Zoonical capital.

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He is me Sheerri Sevre and you know what you're
wht Roland Martin on Unfiltered Prominent pastor in Detroit is
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(01:44:56):
not no contest to several charters of sexual assault. He
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or corrosion. The sixty four year old has been sentenced
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conduct and kidnapping were dropped in the case. He was
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(01:45:17):
twenty twenty three. The teenager lived in the pastor's neighborhood
in Farmington Hills. Folks, anytime you see these white maga people,
or even some of these blackfaced maga negroes. I call
them the help whenever they go cod Rownjack through the
Dei hire. Well, guess what this one user on TikTok

(01:45:42):
did something really interesting. So what he did was is
called debunction junction, that's what he goes by. So what
he did was he said, you know what, let's use
Let's use Elon Musk Ai to Grock to actually do
a comparison on the Supreme Court justices. And this is

(01:46:03):
what he discovered. She is the epitome of a DEI hire.

Speaker 50 (01:46:11):
All right, so this guy is calling Supreme Court Justice
Katanji Brown Jackson the epitome of a dei hire?

Speaker 36 (01:46:17):
But is that true?

Speaker 50 (01:46:18):
And I thought what I'd do for this video is
compare the last four Supreme Court justices to be seated.
That's Neil Gorsich, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney, Barrett.

Speaker 36 (01:46:25):
These are all Trump nominees.

Speaker 50 (01:46:27):
And this is Katanji Brown Jackson, who is nominated by
Joe Biden. And I know a lot of people hate AI,
but I love it for unbiased comparisons.

Speaker 36 (01:46:34):
On multiple variables. And so to start with, We're.

Speaker 50 (01:46:36):
Gonna go to Elon Musk's Rock and I'm gonna ask
it can you give me a side by side comparison
of all the recent Supreme Court justices and their qualifications
before being named to the bench. Let's compare the resumes
of Katanji Brown Jackson, Amy Cony, Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh, and
Neil Gorsich.

Speaker 36 (01:46:52):
I'd like a detailed.

Speaker 50 (01:46:53):
Breakdown of their previous education, clerkships, and experience as both
a lawyer and judge before being named to the bench.
If possible, rank them one through four at the end,
and include a score of one hundred for each one
hundred being the most qualified candidate ever and zero being
wholly unqualified.

Speaker 36 (01:47:11):
And as you can see, there is my prompt and
here is its reply.

Speaker 50 (01:47:14):
It created this massive long table here of all the information,
and then down here at the end it says that
it's going to rank it twenty percent on education, twenty
percent on clerkships, thirty percent on legal experience, and thirty
percent on judicial experience. And as you can see down
here at the bottom under the ranking and scoring, it
actually ranks Katanji Brown Jackson first with a score of

(01:47:35):
ninety two out of one hundred.

Speaker 36 (01:47:37):
Then it ranks Brett Kavanagh second with a score of
eighty eight. Out of one hundred. If we scroll down here,
you'll see that Neil Gorsich takes.

Speaker 50 (01:47:45):
Third with a score of eighty six out of one hundred,
and last is Amy Cony Barrett with a score of
eighty out of one hundred. And then, just for good measure,
I said, if you did this same analysis with all
nine Supreme Court justices at the time they were nominated,
can you give me the same rankings and score? And
here's how Gronk ranked all nine Supreme Court justices, with
Sonya Soto Mayor taking first with ninety four out of

(01:48:06):
one hundred, and Amy Cony Barrett isn't last anymore. That
belongs to Clarence Thomas with seventy eight out of one hundred.
So I'm sorry, Conservatives, if you're looking for dei hires
that have been placed on the Supreme Court, this is
your number two offender and this is number one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Hmm. Ain't that something Scott Now? Of course, first, well
we know they don't care, but the but they love
throwing it out there. And so to all the and
I say this to all the black people, you can
that anoulysis right, This shows you could try to see
the end wave your degree, defend yourself. They're racist, they'll

(01:48:45):
never concede it. They don't want you there.

Speaker 9 (01:48:49):
And the hypocrites too, because we know that Clarence Clarence
Justice Clarence Thomas was not the most qualified at the
time on the butsch for sure.

Speaker 46 (01:49:01):
And I don't know Amy bear it very well her
judicial history, but I know AI says she's ranked second
to last and lower than the last four.

Speaker 10 (01:49:11):
I can believe that.

Speaker 9 (01:49:14):
You know, black people, few of us.

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
Get to fail forward. You know, when we fail, we
go back.

Speaker 11 (01:49:20):
But people with no melanin in this skin, they keep winning,
they keep going forward. Mediocrity is the order of the day.
And we still, even in twenty twenty.

Speaker 33 (01:49:31):
Five, have to be bigger, better, brighter, stronger, faster, more intellectual,
more hard working than our white counterparts.

Speaker 9 (01:49:40):
Whatever the industry is, it is a fact. If you
want to challenge me on that.

Speaker 46 (01:49:45):
I've had these discussions with leaders in other industries, all
of them.

Speaker 51 (01:49:50):
And if you're black and at the top of your game,
I got to tell you you work twice as hard,
but you're twice as crudential as your white counterpart are
across the board.

Speaker 9 (01:50:01):
And so this is our reality. I tell young people
all the time. Racism always has a presence.

Speaker 26 (01:50:08):
But you, your your grandfather, your father, and your great
grandfather suffered more, had to work.

Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
Harder, and did more than where we are in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
This is why I say, Rebecca, with all seriousness, sincerity, conviction,
fuck them.

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
Wait wait, wait what you say?

Speaker 7 (01:50:39):
What'd you say?

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Fuck them? I like, I like, I am. I am
not going to give you a ted talk on my.

Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
Credentials really because yours because the other ones ain't shit, Rebecca,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
So like listening to like that black Magado, like who
is he? Because the weirdest.

Speaker 13 (01:51:01):
Self flagulation that he did in order to bend himself
into a presso to what show? I'm not like the
other blacks, Like I'm not really understanding what's his point
and going after judge like no one asked him and
he didn't have any metrics to really articulate his point.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
That just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 13 (01:51:24):
So it's like all these random all these randoms are
just doing rage bait on social media. And what's unfortunate,
many of these platforms reward that rage bait, and you
know then it gets monetized.

Speaker 8 (01:51:38):
Yeah, and plus they got nothing else to do. Joe
getting to the Supreme Court unless air tight. So I
knew once she got there that she was the real
deal because she had to be. That was her reality.

(01:52:03):
And so even then and it's just it's, yeah, it's
all the more frustrating when they get they get.

Speaker 9 (01:52:08):
A brunda to talk about it.

Speaker 7 (01:52:10):
Now you've got to go through all these changes.

Speaker 8 (01:52:11):
Take away this dudes, BSU car disinvited into barbecue. I
mean the whole thing. It's it's it's just crazy. And
then you know, aside from being papered up from from
a standpoint of having the qualifications which she has and
which and on paper she runs rings around amy Cony Bear,
to be honest with you, even then, after you do

(01:52:33):
all that, there's this multiple social languages that we have
to speak where we're in the belly of the beasts
all the time. So not only do we have to
be better on paper, do we have to be better
from a qualification standpoint?

Speaker 9 (01:52:45):
I believe we do.

Speaker 8 (01:52:46):
I also believe that intangibles and other things that don't
make it to paper we have to be better at
as well, because you've got to be able to speak
all of these social languages and even after you do
all of that, Even after you do all of that,
there are people that would actually tone mouth to say
that this is a dei higher.

Speaker 7 (01:53:01):
But most of the time all of that is deflection.

Speaker 8 (01:53:04):
When they say there's dii a higher, they know that
that they've got a legacy son that has no business at.

Speaker 7 (01:53:09):
That university or on that job.

Speaker 10 (01:53:11):
But he got it anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:53:12):
When they say that, oh, you know you don't belong here, No,
it's because you know that you don't belong here.

Speaker 9 (01:53:18):
Something.

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
The other day they're talking about naming I don't know,
the med or some place after Millennia Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
No, no, the opera house at the Candy Center, the
Opera House, which was a joke beause she can't even
spell opera right. And look and listen, I said, right,
yd five houses. I mean yeah, I mean the house
is a part of the White House. And you can
spy her to age the older you and the s
and I don't think she gonna.

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
Get it right, so you know, And and here's the
other thing jumping around a little bit here. You know,
he has got such a thing. Trump has got such
a thing for Obama. Fundamentally, he's jealous to that brother
he's jealous.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Oh yeah, first ball built Peace Prize, the pole numbers.
He mad because he's he mad, because he's thinner, his crowds,
all this sort of stuff. But here's the thing, though,
But here's the thing. But here's the thing though. Here's
the thing though. I need people to understand though, and
which is why we're my book White Fear. Y'all need
to understand what these cats are doing. I'm telling you

(01:54:20):
there's fixated. They are desperate because the world has changed.
And let me be real clear. They don't like black people. Okay,
they don't want Latinos here, but they want white women
to shut up, lay down birthday babies, and stay in
the house. This is Charlie Kirk talking to Tucker Carlson.
I keep telling y'all what the game plan is, roller card.

Speaker 22 (01:54:45):
So, but the power of young white men in this country,
if they were motivated and purposeful, Yeah, young white men
helped us win a world war and get to the
moon and split the atom.

Speaker 52 (01:54:55):
You better give him weed and fentanyl and Benzo daz
pans and draft kings and porn just to kind of
disable them so they don't rise up and eat you.

Speaker 10 (01:55:05):
That's what I would.

Speaker 52 (01:55:06):
I'm just saying, like, if I were in charge of
the society'd be like, holy shit, I'm a freight So these.

Speaker 22 (01:55:10):
You're so right, and I try to so I listen
to you show all the time, Tuckers, and when you
say stuff like that, I try to challenge it. I'm like,
is it really a centralized I'm like, you know, it's
the spirit. But then I'm like, I got nothing. But
it's like, you know, if if you were trying to
make the most by the way, if you look at
just the genetics of it, like I'm Scott's Irish, I'm
like a very disagreeable boundary pushing, you know, like rebellious.

(01:55:34):
I know my genetic type and by the way, genetics matter.
We should talk about genetics more. It's not racist to
say that. So my genetics come from all the way,
you know, from Scotland, from the Maxwell clan, you know,
fought alongside William Wallace. But if you took, if you
want to like kind of calm down, that kind of
Appalachia fighting spirit, man, you would do what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Right.

Speaker 52 (01:55:52):
It's a Protestant spirit. I mean, let's just get let's
just get of course, let's just get really honest about
it's the people who found in the country are Protestants.
I'm as pro Catholic as anyone could be. My best
friends are Catholic. I'm Calvinists, not against Catholics at all.

Speaker 16 (01:56:03):
I love Catholics.

Speaker 52 (01:56:04):
However, this country is founded by Protestants because they think
for themselves, and they're the legs. You know, they're the
heirs of Martin Luther, who took on you know, the ancient,
the fifteen hundred year old church by himself totally.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
You know.

Speaker 52 (01:56:14):
They are people who believe they communicate directly with God,
that their conscience is more important than federal law. And
they're really hard to deal with, and so you have
to destroy them first.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
And they did.

Speaker 22 (01:56:27):
Well, they're not done yet. There's still a lot and
that that's I know some one. And but by the way,
even the young men that are currently lost, let's bring.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
That's what they want, Rebecca. They are trying to they're
trying to galvanize young white men because they're acause and
their whole deal is to these white men, you're being
left out. It's DEI, it's women, it's them, and it's
these feminists and they're taking your job, taking your opportunities,
and Charnick Kirk's whole mission. And Charlie is a white

(01:57:01):
male college dropout who is not the brightest bulb in
a dark room, and he actually represents many of these
dumbass white men in the country who want they're the
ones who want to go back to America used to
be where they ran everything. We better go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:57:18):
Yeah, So the ideology that he's espousing is of the
three percenters, right, the three percenters really isn't about a
quantifiable three percent, but it is literally they believe there
are three sets of people who belong in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:57:31):
The first set are the WASP.

Speaker 13 (01:57:33):
So when you hear them talk about the white Angle
Saxon Protestants specifically, we're not talking on Eastern Europeans or
those white immigrants, European immigrants who came in like second, third,
and fourth and fifth and whatever current wave we are
in European immigration to the United States. They're talking about
those original descendants of Anglo Saxons.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
That was very clear listening to both Tucker and.

Speaker 7 (01:57:56):
Charlie talk about it.

Speaker 13 (01:57:57):
They believe that they're the first folks who actually have
the authority or are the true Americans. The second group
are veterans. They believe that you fought for this country,
then you two are old a piece of this country.
The third group, ironically are descendants of African descendants of
American slavery, because they believe, and I'm part of that group,

(01:58:19):
they believe that we are here not because of equality,
but we're here to have servitude to the WASP. And
so what they are espousing is a clear white nationalist
ideology that doesn't include every white person. So what's really
interesting as we're seeing a flatness in race in this country,
and we're seeing that white people are struggling with the
loss of their identity, of their ethnic identity, their ethnic

(01:58:42):
heritage because they have succumbed to the ideology of whiteness.
We know that as different waves of people have come
into this country. If we could start like being with
the eighteen eighties, go the eighteen nineties, early the turn
of last injury. One of the things that we notice
by the time that European immigrant that's from a non
Anglo Saxon said country, by the time their second generation

(01:59:03):
in this country, they have now been washed and now
they are now deemed as white folks. So that nationalist
agenda that we just saw doesn't include any of those people,
quite frankly, who probably immigrated from Europe. I'm probably post
eighteen thirties. So it's really interesting, especially when we look

(01:59:23):
at our Hispanic brothers and sisters trying to talk about
how they're white just because they're able to they're ethnically Hispanic,
but racially they are considered white.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
The Tucker Carlson's of the world, the Charlie Kirks of
the world.

Speaker 13 (01:59:36):
They do not consider you to be white because you
were not a part of the original WASP group, which
is all which is really interesting watching some of those
Hispanic people on TikTok saying, well, this is not what
I voted for. You were never included in this equation
of white nationalism. So I think it's very important for
people to go back and read some of those writings

(01:59:57):
from over two hundred and fifty years ago to understand
what this fight, what this battle that we're in actually is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Joe, Joe, go ahead, Oh Joe's frozen. All right, then,
so great point, they Rebecca bybline of y'all, we know
who they are, we know who they are, and they're
telling you so listen accordingly and act accordingly. All right,

(02:00:34):
gotta go to BRK. We come back Tech talk back
in a moment.

Speaker 15 (02:00:42):
Next on the Black Table with me, Greg called we
look at one of the most influential and permanent Black
Americans of the twentieth century. His work literally changed the world.
the United Nations. He was the first African may and
first person of color to win the Nobel Peace brid

(02:01:04):
and yet today he is hardly a household Nate.

Speaker 16 (02:01:07):

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
Bunch.

Speaker 15 (02:01:11):

Speaker 17 (02:01:16):
an activist and advocate for the black community here in
coin of his work trying to roll back European Empire

(02:01:37):
and Africa.

Speaker 15 (02:01:38):
Author cal Rastilla will join us to share his incredible story.

Speaker 16 (02:01:43):
That's on the next Black Table here on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
Carl Pay pretending to be Rowland Martin. You ain't got
to work black and gold every damn place, okay Ooh,
I'm an out for yay.

Speaker 12 (02:01:55):
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Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
It's over when you are now watching Roland Martin unkimp uncut,
unplugged and undamned believable at control room. Do a check

(02:02:25):
for me, all that hate him from Chris Spencer. Is
he an honorary Sigma?

Speaker 53 (02:02:29):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Because we don't do honoraries in Alpha. All right, y'all,
let's talk about one man's mission to reshape how students
approach career opportunities, particularly in stem and steam fields, led
him to create the Big Tide Summit that provides students
with the opportunity to explore industries that may not require
a collge degree but do require trade skills. Robert Gould
Summon addressed a growing concern of a workforce desperate for

(02:02:50):
skilled workers. He joins us, now, Robert, how you doing?

Speaker 10 (02:02:53):
Hello, mister Martin, how you doing, sir? Good evening?

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
So how long have you this summit?

Speaker 18 (02:02:58):
We've had it for four years years now and three
and a half years we scale from twenty people in
a room with a vision and a dream to.

Speaker 10 (02:03:05):
Serving over seven thousand students.

Speaker 18 (02:03:07):
We're in twelve counties across the southeast, and we're building
the next generation of leaders in tech and in STEM,
particularly in rural areas, providing access to people who have
typically been unaccessible.

Speaker 10 (02:03:18):
So we're so excited about it. An honored to be
here with you today, sir.

Speaker 9 (02:03:22):
It's honor.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
Are these high school students, college students or a mix?

Speaker 10 (02:03:25):
Yes, high school students.

Speaker 18 (02:03:27):
So our program really taps into this idea of creating
not just opportunity, but access to students at a pivotal
point in transition into workforce development. So we assess them
from special eighth grade up into twelfth grade. They go
into our system, and then they're empowered with the ability

(02:03:48):
to be able to take hold of their career development
and then actually get jobs on the spot, whether they
are going to directly into the college route or directly
into career access. We're here to provide them the opportunities.
So it's a one stop shop.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
And so how do you track those students to see
they still are interested in STEM and STEAM and what
does that results in terms of career and opportunity with jobs?

Speaker 18 (02:04:14):
Yes, sir, So you know what's so important is surveying
is crucial. I'm a data guy and that's my background too,
And so what's so important for us is to be
able to not just track, but we want to walk
hand in hand with students. So it's not enough when
we talk about careers just to talk about the end result.
We have to talk about what is life after the job,
what is life when you go home? How do we

(02:04:34):
build holistic leaders? And so mentorship is such a key
part of our programming because we understand that just having
the trade is not enough.

Speaker 10 (02:04:43):
You have to be empowered and infueled with the tools
to succeed in life so.

Speaker 18 (02:04:47):
That you can see on a job. And so we
may not all go to college, but we all have
to have a career. And so we have to know
finance everyone. We have to know inter personal skills, communication skills.
Not just how to pitch product, but how do you
pitch who you are, who you were born to be
in this world. And so those are the fundamental pillars
that are built on Big Tide, and that's how we

(02:05:07):
create big access for students across the Southeast.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Questions from the panel or Beck first, yes, sure.

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
Two questions.

Speaker 13 (02:05:16):
One, if there is a young person who's interested in
attending or being a part of this movement, how do
they sign up?

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
And the second for.

Speaker 13 (02:05:25):
Those of us who want to be able to support
this movement, how can we support.

Speaker 10 (02:05:29):
Yes, thank you so much Rebecca for that question.

Speaker 18 (02:05:31):
You know what's so amazing is we've been able to
scale in service over seven thousand students across the Southeast
and twelve counties at zero costs to the students and
at zero costs to the school systems that we service.

Speaker 10 (02:05:44):
And so we understand that this is a need. Students
want more tech access to jobs that don't require necessarily
four year college degrees.

Speaker 18 (02:05:53):
But the grit, the understanding in the backing of understanding
interpersonable skills with entities like HANDAI and the Port Authority
growing here in Southeast Georgia, we understand.

Speaker 10 (02:06:05):
That we have to have that workforce developed, and so
we are looking.

Speaker 18 (02:06:10):
We're five on one C three and so we are
literally just self funded, brick five brick grassroots, just believing
in the mission and to be honest, scaled beyond necessarily
having all the dollars in the bank account, but having
big dreams and big capability to make things happen. So
we want to offer anyone the opportunity to visit Big
Tide dot Org as long as you are a registered

(02:06:33):
high school student in school and in a public institution
or private institution, you can attend Big Tide for free
and have access to jobs in tech career training and
then also mentorship from national CEOs from across the country
who are coming to provide you access for free. And
so you can visit big Tide dot org to find

(02:06:54):
out more information about that, and if you are a
corporate donor want to be a part of helping us
big build big futures, you can also visit big tie
dot org and sponsor and be a part of us
providing our.

Speaker 10 (02:07:08):
Career access to thousands of students.

Speaker 8 (02:07:11):
Joe, great work that you're doing. I wonder, I wonder
if there are other plans to it. Sounds like you're
scaling and you're getting bigger. Talk about some of the
plans that you have in terms of how you get bigger,
how much bigger you get, and whether.

Speaker 7 (02:07:29):
You will focus on the Southeast, continue to.

Speaker 8 (02:07:31):
Focus on the Southeast, or you're actually spread and go
into other parts of the country.

Speaker 10 (02:07:35):
Thank you so much for that question.

Speaker 18 (02:07:37):
You know it's so important for smart growth and sustainability
are at the core of our programming and so we
see big tight as a big mission because we understand
that if we provide access to education right now, we
are in a technology typhoon, with over fifteen thousand jobs
quoted just this year needed for jobs in tech technology

(02:08:00):
and electronic vehicles and the expansion of those industries.

Speaker 10 (02:08:04):
We understand that there are many.

Speaker 18 (02:08:06):
Communities across the Southeast that have to have a qualified
workforce that is more than just understanding the trades, but
understanding livelihoods so that they can provide economic support back
to their hometowns. And so the goal of Big Tit
is to go big baby. We believe in that in
everything that we do, so we see this as a
global mission as also a national mission. And so this

(02:08:28):
year our goal is to hit another three thousand, which
will bring our total in four years to impacting ten
thousand lives across the Southeast and impacting students with real
time access to jobs, careers.

Speaker 10 (02:08:43):
But lifestyles and understanding who they are.

Speaker 18 (02:08:46):
And so we're excited about that and providing more scholarships
that are not traditional. I would like to add our
Career Fund is not just for students who are going
directly to college, and they're are amazing organizations who are
fighting that fight, But we want to be in the
space for the untraditional student who may not be going
directly to college, but they're in a pendulum space and
they're going.

Speaker 10 (02:09:06):
Directly into career.

Speaker 18 (02:09:07):
And if they have the financing to get a car,
to get equipment, to get the cosmetology license, to get
the fuel, that they can literally change.

Speaker 10 (02:09:15):
Their whole trajectory of their legacy.

Speaker 18 (02:09:17):
And so we're looking to expand that across the country,
and we've built a model that can be sustainable.

Speaker 10 (02:09:23):
For the world.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Again, how can folks reach you for more information?

Speaker 18 (02:09:27):
Yes, sir, you can visit Big Tig dot org and
follow us at the Big Tide Summit. And we're hoping,
mister Martin, maybe we can have your presence soon year
in Chatham County.

Speaker 10 (02:09:39):
So we're excited about it and I'm excited to exclusively
drop here.

Speaker 18 (02:09:43):
We've announced twenty twenty sixth Day, which will be April
twenty fourth, Friday, April twenty fourth, and twenty fifth in
Savannah at the Savannah Convention Center.

Speaker 10 (02:09:51):
And so we're honored to be back for another year
of making big change for big impact.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
All right, really, good luck with that. We appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (02:09:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (02:09:59):
Sir for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
I appreciate it. Thanks you a lot. All right, folks,
we're gonna close the shot with this. I saw this video, y'all,
and I just thought it was just too funny not
to share with y'all. You know, a lot of these
little white crazy mag of people love keep talking about
go back to Africa. So this one, brother's like, I
that's what y'all want me to do? Help me.

Speaker 16 (02:10:22):
Go back to Africa.

Speaker 6 (02:10:27):
Say less.

Speaker 53 (02:10:28):
All right, folks, you asked and you shall receive, So
let's age make this shit happen.

Speaker 7 (02:10:33):
I have now started a gift send go campaign to
send my.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
Black ass back to Africa.

Speaker 10 (02:10:38):
The goal is to raise thirty k by August twelfth.

Speaker 53 (02:10:42):
Because tickets are expensive, visas.

Speaker 16 (02:10:44):
Are very complicated.

Speaker 54 (02:10:45):
I'm black and eft broke, and I need help from
you good white people. Please don't just waste your time
and energy writing angry comments in my comments sectionion actually
do something about it.

Speaker 10 (02:10:59):
You actually make a difference.

Speaker 53 (02:11:02):
Every dollar that you donate gets me one step closer
to disappearing from your perfect America and far far away
from you and your beautiful white children. So help me
leave for good. It's a win win for everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
See that's how you do it, all, y'all pull up?
How much is raised? Y'all? Pull up the graphic, y'all
pull up. So what is that first ruck?

Speaker 55 (02:11:30):
Four hundred forty seven dollars? That's it, four hundred forty seven. See,
you know, them foods always got something to say. And
so he's like, okay, all right, this is what y'all
want to do. It's not a problem. That's not a problem. Now,
y'all know this reminds me of y'all. Remember that, Remember
that black woman. Remember that black woman who screwed over Maga.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
Remember remember she got them foods to pay off one
hundred and fifty thousand her college debt. Y'all remember this
sister right here, y'all, Remember she went there with Magne
Maga grad to head again and just just totally jacked
them up. So I think it's a brilliant idea, see that.
See that's what you do. That's what you do, Rebecca.

(02:12:14):
You sit there and you trash these foods and you
play with them and put your money where your mouth is.
Put your money where your mouth is. And so I
mean I wouldn't have asked for thirty some of my thousand,
I would have seen I'm not go ahead and put it.
I put about a quarter million dollars, put it in
about five hundred thousand. I mean, essentially, what he's saying
is that's what the racist white folks did sent enslaved

(02:12:38):
folks of African descent from here to Liberia.

Speaker 13 (02:12:42):
Like, look, if they're sick and tired of us, if
you're sick and tired of us talking about white supremacy
and white nationalists and all this other stuff, go ahead
and just pay us our reparations.

Speaker 4 (02:12:53):
You do that, and you could go run and do
what you want to do.

Speaker 13 (02:12:56):
Because if I get the money that's old to be
in my family, that I understand how I could compete,
because I understand how my family has survived, and I
understand the talent that's in my family and many other
descendants who were forced on these shores. It's like, we
know how to compete. So give us our resources and
we will beat you every time.

Speaker 8 (02:13:15):
Joe, Yeah, I mean listen, Mike, gwen Guthrie said, no
romance with our finance. You know, so I'll be from
missouris is just gone and showed me, show me the
money and we can talk and see.

Speaker 7 (02:13:27):
What's what you know? You want to hustle. You put
your money where your mouth fist. Let's see love not
a word neither in tongue but indeed and in truth.
So pay me, run me my money and that'll be that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Yeah, it's as simple as that. So all y'all folks
who run y'all mouths and everything. I mean, that's how
you hit them with. Oh, real quick before I go.
You know Trump people going crazy, you know Manuel Orbrego Garcia.
You know they been bouncing that man back and forth
from Maryland to El Salvador in back, trying to charge
it with all with you know, sex trafficking everything. Well,

(02:14:02):
give us what. A federal judge at Tennessee said, hey,
y'all gotta release them. Then a federal judge and mary
Lets said y'all got to release them too, and then
told Ice y'all can't rearrest them. So they don't know
what the hell to do. But I'm sure they're gonna
probably appel the Supreme Court. But we're dealing with incompetent people.
That's what we're dealing with, and that's what happens. Magnan
wanted this and so we got to deal this craft

(02:14:23):
for the next three years and six months. But I
love it when they take l's all right, Scott had
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