D.C. Sues Trump Over Police Takeover; Obama & Moore vs. #47; Gov. Newsom TX Maps Plan

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He say whatever the bess do it.

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Whatever it is, He's.

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Got stever it beeves, He's right on time.

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It is going best believe he's knowing.

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Nick I thank fustrous to politics, but entertainment.

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Justicise he's got.

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She's built up best, He's proven, hey, folks, Washington DC
lots of drama.

Speaker 9 (04:30):
Donald Trump has forced out the police chief of Washington
d C. Attorney General Pam Bondi has appointed the DA
Commissioner to take over the police department. Washington d C
responds by suing the Trump administration is saying do not
have a power to do so.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Now.

Speaker 9 (04:46):
Trump has declared there's an emergency in the nation's capital,
which gives him the authority to take over Washington d
c's police force. But d C is fighting back. Miyor
Muriel Bowser. Of course, who uh was you know going
forward with for their initial takeover. Say they now are
overstepping their authority in the nation's capital. What you have
now seen is federal law enforcement, even the ice agents,

(05:08):
taking people off the streets and arresting them and taking
them to court. It's been a whole for the stuff
that's been happening in the nation's capital. And now we
have an escalating legal battle over presidential authority over the
District of Columbia. I want to bring in the port
of law Victoria Berk the Black prest USA right now,
and Lauren, let to have you here. So a couple

(05:28):
of things law en first and foremost, there's lawsuit, if
you will. The city is filing against some administration. They're
claiming they're overstepping their bounds by in essence taking over
the police department. The mayor says they don't have that
authority to command local personnel, right.

Speaker 15 (05:47):
And apparently they don't because in court today in federal court,
effectively the government. The DOJ folks got scared and left
and are going to come back. They're going to reword
what they wrote and come back. Obviously, the authority is
very questionable. A lot of people are asking, well, why
didn't DC challenge the federal government on Monday and not

(06:08):
just sort of capitulate to the idea of this state
of state of emergency thing in the first place, Which
is not a bad question, but at any rate, this
round was won by the City of d C by
the District of Columbia by Mayor Muriel Bowser and her
ag Bryan Twaub. They won effectively in court this moment.
So the police Chief Pam Smith is still in charge

(06:30):
of the DC Police Force. It is a very questionable
and big mystery as to are they apprehending people, who
is being apprehended, where are.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
They ending up?

Speaker 15 (06:41):
And frankly, when I was in court today, it was
extremely confusing because I couldn't figure out who was in
there in terms of whether it was related to ICE
arrest or not, or DC Metropolitan arrest or not. There
were so many people in court that it was quite confusing.
But the bottom line of your question, Roland, is that
the District of Columbia did win. Around about thirty minutes ago.

(07:03):
The mayor came out and made an announcement effectively that
you know their police chief is still in charge at
this moment.

Speaker 9 (07:12):
Talk about what court was like, because you said it
was just one of the most shocking things you ever written.

Speaker 11 (07:19):
Okay, I was confused. Frankly.

Speaker 15 (07:21):
I usually do federal court related things because it's members
of Congress and federal court trials, et cetera. So I
hadn't been in the municipal court in a while. This
is DC Superior Court, and for those who may not
be familiar, close to the capital, in a section called
Judiciary Square, there were a number of Free d C.

(07:42):
There's a group called Free d C protesters out and about,
and I'd heard from one of them that, look, if
they apprehended, if ice apprehended somebody tonight or last night,
I should say, in the last twenty four hours, they
should be appearing in court at one point thirty In
the basement of DC Superior Court. The basement section is
where a courtroom C ten is.

Speaker 11 (08:03):
I go down there.

Speaker 15 (08:04):
There's a docket listing in an electronic board that goes
on forever at any rate I go in, and when
I say I was shocked, I mean, this whole process
is just really shocking, all black defendants. And I understand,
of course that DC is forty it's I think forty
two percent black, but still, you know, there's this feeling

(08:25):
of the sausage being made of people's lives being upended
by relatively low level crimes. In there by the way,
it's nothing crazy. The judge was really sitting there gabbling
everybody into, hey, you know, we're gonna let you go
and you can come back in thirty days. But they
come in shackled. Everybody comes in shackled. So what was

(08:46):
sort of shocking to me. It probably shouldn't have been,
given the fact my dad was a prison guard at
Riker's Island. But at any rate, they come in shackled
at the waist and at leg ironed, and as the
judge decides what their fate will be, they become unshackled.
But all black men and their families are in the audience,
very young. Everybody's really young, the family members, the folks

(09:08):
coming in. So that was a jolt to me, and
it was a shame because you know, as you may know, Roland.
This whole operation that Donald Trump has going on apparently
costs four hundred thousand dollars a day, and effectively they're
concentrating on homeless people.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well, with four hundred.

Speaker 15 (09:23):
Thousand dollars a day, you could figure out new schools,
all sorts of activities, housing, affordable housing. So it's a
shame when you watch up close our criminal justice system
what it does to people. It's demoralizing. There's a lot
of young people going through that and it is really
sad to watch.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, that is certainly the case.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
And to your point there, folks don't understand what's going on.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
I mean, are you having federal charges, are you having
Franklin state charges?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Local chargers? Who in control?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Who's doing what?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
So it's a whole lot of confusion. And that's what
happens when you something in the haphazard and you can
just throw.

Speaker 15 (10:02):
It together and even worse, rolland I went out late,
relatively late last night in DC. I decided to drive
around and walk around and see if I could find
the same mayhem we saw on Fourteenth Street. Good for
the folks of fourteenth Street, mostly white folks, and what
DC would call, of course, the gentrifiers out there. But
still they did a good job at really rousing that

(10:24):
situation up and getting ice off the street and saying,
you know, get off of our streets effectively. But any right,
I went walking around the city. It was very quiet,
not much going on. When I was in ubers today,
I asked all the uber drivers, Hey, are you seeing checkpoints?

Speaker 16 (10:37):
What are you seeing?

Speaker 11 (10:38):
Nothing?

Speaker 15 (10:38):
But one of the open questions about the way that
Trump does things is are these sworn police officers?

Speaker 16 (10:44):
We don't know that.

Speaker 15 (10:46):
I mean, some of these people do have insignia and
have patches and some of them don't. And a lot
of them have masks on. So it's an open question
in some of these proceedings who's arresting them?

Speaker 10 (10:56):
Is it federal or local?

Speaker 15 (10:57):
And now you got Pambondi. You have Trump Justice Department
deciding that they want to take over the police force.
The question has to be asked, where is that leading
We'll take over the police force to do what? So
that's what the primary problem is here.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
All right then, Laboratory Burke, Michelle appreciate it. Thank you
so very much for joining us on today's show. I
want to bring in my Friday Pan I'm glad to
have y'all here.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
On the show. Joining us right now.

Speaker 9 (11:27):
Michael m Otep hosts Africasian Network show out of Detroit.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Matt Manning, siwat's attorney out of.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Corpus Christian, Texas.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Cameron Tremble, CEO Hip Politics and Media inform of White
House Siate Advisor.

Speaker 17 (11:38):
I want to start with you, Matt. Listen, you don't
even know legally who the heck to get control. That
creates all sorts of problems. And I'm sure as a
defense law yeer, you're like, what the hell's going on?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Who's in charge? What's happening here?

Speaker 16 (11:55):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 18 (11:56):
And it's kind of a fundamental idea that in order
for a court to operate, they've got to have subject
matter jurisdiction. I think you've got a jurisdictional question when
you have somebody arresting you that may not have authority
to do that, or that authorities in question by virtue
of the fact that they are exercising an authority that
they don't actually have. You see that kind of thing

(12:16):
happen where you know somebody is, for instance, an officer
on the state level, as an analog might arrest somebody
in a jurisdiction that's not his or hers. States generally
have laws about whether that officer actually has authority to
do it in that place if he's not an officer
that's got, you know, jurisdiction in that jurisdiction normally.

Speaker 16 (12:34):
So this is kind of that kind of question.

Speaker 18 (12:36):
I think it implicates some of those questions, and it
specifically comes from the idea that mister Trump is trying
to exercise authority that he does not have that constitutionally.
And as you've talked about on this show, and as
I think the guests just mentioned, you know, there's a
sovereignty issue, right.

Speaker 16 (12:52):
DC has its own municipal courts, as you know.

Speaker 18 (12:54):
I went to Howard right, and I've been in those
very courts myself, and those courts have a field of jurisdiction,
and they have officers whose decisions and whose arrest take
them into those courts. The idea that the federal government
can overstep DC sovereignty and say, now we're going to
supplant the Metropolitan PD officers there with National Guard or

(13:17):
other federal officers who don't normally have this authority is
extremely problematic and it creates the cascade effect, because now
it just becomes we're just going to grab all of
the authority that we want, you know, constitution, laws and
customs be damned, and this is a tip of the iceberg.
But we know that this is exactly what this administration
is attempting to do more and more, just continue to

(13:37):
grab more power and say check me on it. And
that's what we're seeing happen in real time to the
tune of four hundred thousand dollars a day, which is absurd,
especially from people who have spent so much time talking
about waste, fraud and abuse.

Speaker 16 (13:50):
This is per se waste fraud and abuse.

Speaker 9 (13:54):
Michael, the Bioles administration albumly try to placate the Trump
administration with the thing started on Monday, but clearly they
recognize that the go along and headlong strategy was not working.

Speaker 19 (14:07):
Yeah, you know, now, you and I and the poundless
know that Mary Bowser is in a different position than
of the mayors of other cities. But yeah, the and
she has to walk a tightrope and I totally understand that.
But yeah, the go along to get along wasn't.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Working, like with the masses of people.

Speaker 19 (14:30):
But also I think you have to know when to
pick your battles and make sure that you're on strong
legal footing to do so. This would be an example
of being able to really hit back when you're on
strong legal footing. Because the DC Attorney General said that, uh,
the Trump administration does not have the legal authority to

(14:53):
to put somebody that Pat Smith, chief of police has
to report to. Okay, so we know Pam BONDI put
Terry Cole uh, the of the DEA in charge of
the police department, and it basically stripped Pat Smith, police
chief of authority to.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Make decisions things of this nature.

Speaker 19 (15:14):
So this is a this is a very good legal argument,
and it's this fight here Roland is resonating with the base, resonating,
especially with African Americans who want to see them fight back.
But if I could just quickly enter ject here, Roland one,
we all know this is an authoritarian attempt by Donald

(15:36):
Trump to distract from the Epstein files Number one, number two.
If you really wanted to continue the decrease in crime
in Washington, d C has made some strides in the
past couple of years.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
In bringing down crime.

Speaker 19 (15:49):
One, you will restore the one billion dollars in mental
health grants that the Biden administration put in place because
the Trump administration both that is one billion dollars in
grants for right, right Pomoni melt to health in schools.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
But also also it's not just washing DC, it's grants
all across the country.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
Camera, that's the problem. He can't say you care about crime.
Then I understand one second. Camera, you can't say you
care about crime, but then you want to actually cut
the actual crime prevention programs.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Exactly Roland, Like, we realize this is all bluster.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
This is Cameron.

Speaker 20 (16:30):
Can you hear me, yes, Roland, exactly right. I think
this feels there, Yeah, yeah, Roland. I'm here here in
studio in DC, and I think from the ground it
feels like this is a powder cake waiting to happen.
Like I spent the last few days walking around, driving

(16:50):
around d C, try.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
To really get a feel for you.

Speaker 20 (16:54):
It's almost like you're living into DC's there's tanks and
hum v's and militaries over at the unions stations and
foggy bottoms and a few different black neighborhoods. It's flooding
all of our social media in our timeline. But then
you also see it. It's quiet, and it's quiet, and
you walk around the US Capitol and it feels like
it's every day. It's just a normal day in August

(17:16):
in DC. But it feels like this is an attempt
and a test. As the other panelist said, to let
me try to grab all the power I can see
who tries to check me on it, and then see
how many other places I can implement this, because this
is definitely a fear tactic. Notice he's targeting big cities.
These big cities happen a lot to have black mayors,

(17:36):
so that and they happen to be democratic strongholds. So
anything he can do to break that will he's doing.
But what I will say, and one I am encouraged
by you see so many people just driving here to
the studio. I see so many different people of all
shades with signs, posters, things to talk out against the
Trump administration. So I feel like it's a powder cake

(17:59):
waiting to happen, because if this keeps happening and people
keep feeling infringed upon, you're gonna see massive and more
massive protests and and more uprising. I think of people
looking to push back against this this overreach.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
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Speaker 4 (18:30):
Gosh, y'all, I've got to fix the IFB. I literally
couldn't hear anything Cameron is.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Saying in the studio, I can hear got the call.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I was in the I was in the room.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
He was sealing the deal.

Speaker 21 (18:43):
It's done, and I was like, man, congratulations.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know, I got me a drink. You know, you
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Speaker 6 (18:50):
And and uh.

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He was like, I'm not doing that.

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I'm like, what do you mean?

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Flagship for it.

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Hatred on the Streets, a horrific scene white nationalist rally
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Trump mob storms the US capitals show.

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Country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting.

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Speaker 9 (27:21):
Folks, Maryland govern to West Moore has been very vocal
about what's happen in the nation, and of course he
had a news conference today and he had a couple
of words, said Donald Trump.

Speaker 26 (27:30):
So while I was in the Eastern Shore opening up
a new health clinic in rural Maryland, the President of
the United.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
States took to the Oval Office to attack.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
The governor of Maryland.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I watched him this morning saying that, saying that the
governor of Maryland. Yeah, but I heard him today talking
about how the National Guard or the military is not
trained to the police, and.

Speaker 26 (27:52):
He attacked me because I was critical of his performative
decision to put military personnel in American cities to perform
policing functions.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I served overseas in combat.

Speaker 26 (28:04):
I have borne the uniform of this country, and I
know what is being asked of these men and women
every time we ask them to activate our military. We
were trained to fight and win our nation's wars, and
our National Guards are trained to respond when states are
seeing times of emergency or crises, not to perform municipal

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policing functions. So if the President wants to have a
real conversation about how to reduce violence like what we
have had in the state of Maryland since I've been
the governor, where Maryland has had amongst the fastest drops
of violent crime anywhere in the United States of America,
I'm ready to have that conversation anytime.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Mister presidents.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
FOT showing us right now.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Former Congresswoman now Mayor of Oakland, Barbara Lee. Mayor Lee,
first of all, congratulations on your new job.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (28:58):
I'm glad to be with you.

Speaker 27 (29:00):
I miss you, but I'm so glad to be here
as mayor of this great city. And thanks for inviting
me to be with you today.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
Roland, well mission as well. But now now you give
me a good reason to get go back to the
Bay Area. So we're trying to make that happen as
soon as possible.

Speaker 27 (29:17):
Brolin, you've got to come here and do one of
your shows. Okay, you know, we'll roll out the red
carpet for you here in Oaktown.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
All right, Well, we make that up. We'll make that happen.
So I look forward to that.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
So we'll work on that on the planning schedule. Let's
talk about this here, you, sir. On the federal level,
you now are a You now are a mayor, and
surely you have significant concerns when you hear the White
House talk about taking over cities and things along those lines.

Speaker 27 (29:48):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
And and look, a lot of republic has always talked
about local government, big government, local control. But that should
be worse and to many mayors across the country, Brolin.

Speaker 27 (29:59):
You know what knowing and Oakland knows this man, Donald Trump,
like I know Donald Trump. Remember now, I was in
Congress twenty seven years. Four of those years were when
he was president.

Speaker 11 (30:12):
But also I was sitting on the floor of the House.

Speaker 27 (30:15):
Of Representatives on January sixth when he sent in his
folks to thwart the peaceful transfer of power.

Speaker 11 (30:22):
And we barely got out of there.

Speaker 27 (30:24):
And so this is not a surprise to me, but
it's a wake up call, I hope for everybody in
the country to understand that he wants to militarize our government,
he wants to occupy our cities, and he wants to
dismantle our democracy.

Speaker 11 (30:43):
And this is a step in that direction. And so
let's use this as a wake up call.

Speaker 27 (30:47):
And also Rowan, you know, he called out Oakland like
he called out of the cities, and it's no secret
that all of the cities that he called out one
have large black and brown populations, two the crime rates
are coming down, and.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
Three they're all led by black mans. And so look
at that picture. We all know what this is about.

Speaker 27 (31:12):
And so we have to understand that he's not telling
the truth. He's fear mongering, and these are doglass's also
that he continues to perpetrate.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
And in Oakland, we're not going to stand for it.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Mearly.

Speaker 9 (31:26):
I was communicating last night with a national commentator and
one of the things that I said to this person
was that listen, here's part of the problem.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
It's very easy to.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
Say we want to bring down crime, but the reality
is that I have interviewed numerous police chiefs and they
will tell you you cannot bring down crime with more police.
And so what they have said to me is you
have to address the myriad of issues at impact crime.
You're talking education, you're talking economics, you're talking poverty, you're
talking hunger, you're talking jobs. And so if you want

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to bring down crime, you go to a mayor Brandon
Scott and say how did you actually do it? That's
what Governor Wes Moore was talking about. The strategies were
and so it's not as simple as people through out there.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
And I think this is where.

Speaker 9 (32:11):
People get confused, where you want to have these bumper
sticker phrases when the issue of crime is a multifaceted issue.

Speaker 11 (32:21):
Yes, it's multifaceted.

Speaker 27 (32:23):
First of all, we have to deal with the underlying
causes and the root causes, and many are social determinants
of crime. Poverty, lack of equitable and equal education, housing,
the cost of living, mass incarceration, police misconduct, criminal justice.
All of these issues are the root causes in our communities.

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But also, just as in Baltimore, what we have done
is we've established several years ago the Department of Violence
Prevention and Cease Fire, and our strategies are very similar
to those in Baltimore, where we have, of course the
police to do policing, but we have and the reason
the crime rate is going down though Roland is because

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we have life coaches and we have crime prevention strategies
which provide for identifying those who are most risk of
either getting killed or shooting someone, and.

Speaker 11 (33:16):
We get to these individuals, these young.

Speaker 27 (33:19):
People, and we provide the pathway out of this in
terms of stipends, jobs, job training, housing, whatever is needed.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And so it is.

Speaker 11 (33:29):
It's got to be comprehensive. And that is exactly what
Baltimore is doing, That's what Oakland is doing.

Speaker 27 (33:35):
That's what all of the jurisdictions that the President has
cited have in terms of strategies. It may or may
not be part of the overall Department of Violence Prevention strategy,
but they're strategies that take into account what you just said.
And so you know, this president, if he were clear,
and if he were not such a fear manger, he

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would say, Okay, I'm going to help these communities continue
with the trajectory of crime reduction by providing those resources
for housing rather than cutting housing funding. Or I want
to make sure that they have educational support instead of
dismantling the Department of Education.

Speaker 11 (34:17):
Or he would say, I want to make sure that.

Speaker 27 (34:20):
The cost of living is such that healthcare is available
and people don't have to worry about health disparities and
dieing younger than other people who have access to health care.
And so if he cared about our communities, he would
do that and those would be his policies.

Speaker 11 (34:38):
His policies are just the opposite.

Speaker 27 (34:40):
And we know what he's doing, and that is attacking cities,
trying to provoke reactions so that they can come in
and occupy our cities.

Speaker 11 (34:50):
And Oakland is just not going to let that happen.
We're very unified.

Speaker 27 (34:53):
Regardless of our differences of opinions on a variety of issues,
we were very unified around this.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
Let's talk about Jerry Manderin. You have two things. You
have political partisan Jerry manner, you have racist Jerry manderin
those things actually take place. The Supreme Court is said
one is illegal. You see that your governor, Governor Gavin
Newsom is fighting back in a very strong way, launching
an initial to change the lines there. And here's what
was amazing to me twenty twenty one. That was a

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bill in Congress and the question was very simple, and
that is, do you want to get rid of political
get rid of all jerry manderin. Every Democrat voted for,
a Republican voted against. And so we know we can't
talk about fair districts if you aren't doing it it fair.
And so you're going to have this tit for tat
until political leaders come to the conclusion that you have

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to be able to draw districts.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
In a very fair manner.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
Otherwise, if it's totally partisan, you're going to see the
warfare that you're seeing happen right now obviously in Texas
and how California is responding.

Speaker 11 (35:56):
Sure, and I voted for that. In fact, we still vote.
I voted for a couple of times that John Lewis
Voting Rights Act.

Speaker 27 (36:03):
We still haven't gotten that passed by the Mega extremist Republicans,
you know they and of course Donald Trump would never
sign that into law, and so believe you mean, jerymandering
is something that takes away political power from people, especially
people of color, especially African Americans. And in fact, now

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the Texas decided that they were going to destroy political
power for people in Texas and jerymander then we have
to fight back and we must make sure we level
the playing field.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
And that's what this is about.

Speaker 27 (36:39):
If these states want to continue with their unconstitutional efforts
to dismantle democracy and voting rights, then we've got to
balance that off and make sure that here in California
and in other Blue states that we were that those
states of resistance and those states which are going to
protect the right to vote for everybody and for everyone

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to have voting have representation.

Speaker 11 (37:05):
You know, this is really a moment defining moment where
we can either.

Speaker 27 (37:09):
Just step back and say, let them do what they
want to do and time will tell, or we can
fight back and let me tell you. You know me, Rowan,
you know I'm ready and willing and we'll continue to
fight back against these terrible things that are happening in
this country which impact Oakland erectly.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
The last night I had my unbought and unbought shirt.
So when you've been trained by the Great Congress, surely Chisen,
you are used to actually fighting back. I want to
go to my panel with questions. Matt Manning, your first.

Speaker 16 (37:42):
Mayor lead.

Speaker 18 (37:43):
My question for you is what do you think is
the most effective strategy for cities to push back right
now on this insurpation of power that we see the
Trump administration engaging in. What are your thoughts about the
best ways to push back on that outside of the courtroom,
which we know is one of the mechanisms you have disposable.

Speaker 27 (38:01):
Yeah, the best ways are to be unified. We cannot,
I think first we cannot let Donald Trump divide our
communities and we need to make sure that black and
brown and white communities stick together and push back. Secondly,
we need to speak out about what is taking place
and not a duck and dodge and not allowed the

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bullying to continue to drive fear into people. Because we
know that they're talking about withholding federal funds.

Speaker 11 (38:31):
Okay, what do we have to do?

Speaker 27 (38:32):
We have to look at how we address these gaps locally.
Is that going to be through parcel taxes. Is that
going to be through new ways of funding the safety
net and housing and what he's disinvesting based on our
struggle to push back on the terrible destruction that is

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being taken.

Speaker 11 (38:54):
So we have to make sure that people understand that
this is.

Speaker 27 (38:58):
Not about necessarily a specific city, but it's about a
unified national effort on his part to dismantle this dictatorship
and this democracy excuse me, and to establish a dictatorship.

Speaker 11 (39:14):
And if we can't say that locally, then we're not
doing our job.

Speaker 19 (39:22):
Michael mayor Barbara Lee, once again, congratulations on your win.
The question I had for you is that the Trump
administration in April twenty twenty five cut one hundred and
fifty eight million dollars in community violence intervention of grants
that were going to major cities like Chicago, Washington, DC,

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et cetera. And we know these grants were instrumental in
bringing down violent crimes in these communities, and these came
from the Biden Harris administration. Actually, can you talk about
if those grants had an impact in Oakland, California and
if soul can you talk about a little bit how
they brought.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Down violent crime into open California.

Speaker 27 (40:06):
Please sure, I don't want to say, and I rest
my case, but you spoke. You're saying exactly what has happened.
And I was on the Appropriations Committee and also on
the Budget committee, so I was a champion and helped
negotiate a lot of these funds and so the violence
prevention funding which we received here in Opland and throughout
the country, throughout these cities that he cited for where.

Speaker 11 (40:29):
He says he wants to trashed us.

Speaker 27 (40:32):
In essence, these are the cities where crime rates are
going coming down. Here in Oakland, for example, violent crime
has gone down by I think it's twenty eight percent
in six months, robbery's assaults, auto thefts forty six percent.
You can look at every single category and the crime
rates are going down. And so it doesn't make any sense,

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first of all, if he were the president of all
people in this country and concerned about crime, that he
would want to cut efforts that bring crime rates down.

Speaker 11 (41:04):
And again, these are cities.

Speaker 27 (41:05):
Primarily headed by black mayor, So we know what this
is about. And we're in Oakland again, We're going to
continue with our violence prevention efforts. Our Department of violence,
prevention and ceasefire like is happening in Baltimore and other cities,
and we're going to stay on this trajectory. Is it
going to be tough, Yes, but that's okay. We're accustomed

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to tough times. And this man, we need to see
it for what he is and call this administration what is.

Speaker 11 (41:34):
Final to say?

Speaker 27 (41:35):
I was again on the Appropriations of Budget Committee all
these years, and I saw Project twenty twenty five every
single day, and this was part of their playbook. I
know their playbook, and this is the manifestation of that agenda.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
All right, thank you for your service, Cameron, Thank you, Samon.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Congratulations merely so good to see you. We miss you
here in DC.

Speaker 20 (41:59):
But as a former Congressional Black Caucus staffer, my question
to you is that right now, so many of our
three of our three largest cities are all headed by
black people. We have so many African American mayors as
well as we have the largest Congressional Black Caucus ever.
There feels like there is so much power there between

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the Congressional Black Caucus and now all the African American
Mayors Association to be able to bring so many different
people together representing so many parts of the country.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
What is being done and what is being talked about.

Speaker 20 (42:33):
Amongst your colleagues, both in other mayors along with your
former colleagues in Congress on how to really rise to
this moment.

Speaker 27 (42:42):
Sure, and this is the moment where we do exert
black political power. And I've talked with, of course, the
African American Mayor's Association, and we're coordinating our efforts. We're
looking at how we can support each other largest black caucus,
you're right, and if you mean we're in the minority
right now, of course, but as a mayor, I'm still

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organizing to make sure that we elect more Black members
and more Democrats to Congress so that.

Speaker 11 (43:11):
We can at least while this man is in the
White House, form this circle, this resistance movement on Capitol
Hill like we had before.

Speaker 27 (43:21):
And so we have to coordinate very carefully though, and
we can't say, oh, that's just Congress or that's just
a local governments. We have to exercise our political power
right now. We see what they're trying to do with Geimandred,
so we have to fight back. We see what they
do in terms of trying to put up barriers to registration.

Speaker 11 (43:40):
And to make sure that we're not part of the
voting process in terms of disincentives to vote. We have
to push back.

Speaker 27 (43:50):
And so it's about us circling the wagons, both locally, statewide,
and nationally because we are at the pinnacle of black
political power now, and I think we're clear about that
throughout the country. I know all members of the black
caucas they're out there fighting hard.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
Black bears are out there fighting hard. Black legislators are
out there fighting hard. So this is a moment that
you know, the glass half full is. This has brought
us together in a mining way.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Thank you, Mary Barbara Lee. Is always a pleasure to
have you. We really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Roland.

Speaker 11 (44:27):
Where are you right now in Maryland or in texts?

Speaker 9 (44:31):
I know I'm actually so, I'm actually in Indianapolis, actually Westville, Indiana.
I was invited to the live golf tournament out here,
and so I landed here a little bit earlier. When
I landed out, did the interview with Spike Lee, and
so I'm going.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
To be here all weekend and some other great folks.

Speaker 9 (44:47):
Mark Jackson, former NBA player and head coach, was here
earlier today and got some other great folks are going
to be here, so we're gonna be hanging out the
golf tournament. And anybody knows this right behind media. The
second thing I love most is playing golf. So if
I'm on the golf course about the playing or watching,
will enjoy your break.

Speaker 11 (45:06):
And tell Spank hello for me.

Speaker 9 (45:08):
And I want y'all to come to Oakland, all right, thinks,
so we'll we'll work on doing a broadcast there.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Okan, I appreciate it, Thanks a lot.

Speaker 11 (45:16):
Okay, thanks Amine, see you later.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Appreciate it. Folk.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
It's one of the Republican members of Congress, Kevin and
Kylie has been really complaining about what Governor Gavin Newson
is doing. So he's introduced a bill to get rid
of Jared Mandering. But why wasn't he said that four
years ago? Well, Congressoman's Sydney cum Lagger, though she had
a few words to say about her fellow California colleague.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
What are you hearing behind the scenes from your colleagues?

Speaker 22 (45:42):
So a Kevin Kylie miraculously came up with this piece
of legislation because he realized that his district was in question.
That's about as self interested as you can be. B
My colleagues will confirm this. We had our weekly call
with our Democratic caucus, and every single one of them
was grateful that California was stepping up and fighting fire

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with fire. They said, can you lean in anymore? Because
we need a playbook for how we can fight in
our states.

Speaker 10 (46:14):
The governor is correct.

Speaker 22 (46:16):
Florida is now in play, Indiana is in play, Missouri
is in.

Speaker 10 (46:21):
Play, Ohio is in play.

Speaker 22 (46:24):
And not only are they working to jerrymander the maps
to give Republicans more seats, but they are also doing
it to silence Latino representatives and to get rid of
African American representatives. So it is not only a classis playbook,
but it is a race based playbook because they know

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who the folks are who show up and who are
voting to keep planted parenthood, to keep healthcare, to make
sure that costs are down, to make sure that we
have jobs, to make sure that we have manufacturing. So yes,
Republicans are now crime foul. But they were not crying
foul when they voted for the Big Ugly Bill. They
were not crying foul when they voted to defund Medicaid,

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when they voted to get rid of Social Security when
they have supported every single thing and have been complicit
with every single unlawful, illegal, unconstitutional thing that this president
has been doing, and they have been silent.

Speaker 10 (47:24):
So don't give me your kracatile tears.

Speaker 22 (47:26):
When all of a sudden you want to come up
with a piece of legislation that says, slow your role.
How about passing the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. How
about calling out Governor Abbott?

Speaker 11 (47:37):
How about calling out.

Speaker 10 (47:38):
What this president is doing.

Speaker 22 (47:41):
If you are so excited about what you've been doing
in the past seven months, then run on that record.
But please do not come for California, and do not
come for the voters, because the voters.

Speaker 10 (47:53):
Should have the right to vote for who they want to,
not to be given.

Speaker 22 (48:00):
Shoved down their throats some jankie maps designed to keep
this president in power. So folks are united. Folks are
asking California to lean in and do more, and we're
saying we are giving you all that we've got, and
we are standing with our governor, and we are asking
other states to step in and find a way to

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do it as well. Because this is not just about California.
This is about this entire country.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
Well, if that is about California, I'm here in Indiana
and the White House is putting pressure on this state
Republican leaders here to read district seats here.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Also we see it happening in Ohio.

Speaker 9 (48:39):
Florida's talked about doing it as well, and of course
Illinois is talking about in New York State. And so
what we have, Cameron, We literally have here a battle
going on when it comes to how do you legislate power?
And the reality is Democrats have said, Republicans, you make
a move, we're going to counter. Republicans say, you counter,
We're going to count. And so at the end of

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the day, this is going to be a back and forth.
All of this is all about the twenty twenty six
midterm elections. And the reality, Cameron is that because of
the state of the economy, Republicans are scared that they're
afraid they're going to lose the House and they're trying
to bolster their numbers to mitigate anywhere from eight to
ten seats that they expect to lose in twenty twenty six.

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So by redistricting, then they'll be able to have that cushion.

Speaker 20 (49:27):
Yeah, this is an all out fight that we as
people all over the country cannot ignore. I think the
fact of what's happening down in Texas has set off
a domino effect. I love with Gavin Newsom and the
folks over in California are doing. But if you look
at the map in terms of how many different state legislatures,

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in state houses and governors are Republicans versus Democrat, Democrats
don't have the numbers nationwide there. So this is something
where we've got to fight fire with like lava. Like
I'm really hoping that with those five seats they're trying
to pick up in Texas, they find five to seven
and eight ten seats in California and hopefully, hopefully, as

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it was mentioned before, bipartisan wise, they had a chance
to outlaw redistricting or stop redistricting before.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
But now I'm really really hoping that this is.

Speaker 20 (50:23):
Something that our democratic houses and our democratic governors see
all the way through if it does pass through Texas,
that they do redistrict.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Those five seats.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (50:36):
And the reality here, Matt, look, if Donald Trump did
not ast Texas Governor Greg Abbott to find me five districts,
you would not see any of this that set off
a domino effect, and yesterday for in President Barack Obama,
he addressed Texas House dims in a video conference with
them regarding their walkout two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Watch this.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
What we all recognize is we can't let a systematic
assault on democracy just happen and stand by. And so
because of your actions, because of your courage, what you've
seen is California responding, other states looking at what they

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can do to offset this mid decade jerry manderin that
is highly irregular and is not what we should be
doing to balance out the maps for this upcoming election.
And I think we became a little bit complacent over

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the years. We assumed that things would continue to get better,
that our democracy would become more inclusive, that it would
become more fair, that we'd make it easier for people
to vote rather than harder for people to vote, that
the votes would be counted rather than suppressed. And what

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we forgot is that history doesn't always move in a
straight line, and it's not always two steps forward and
another two steps forward. Sometimes it's two steps forward and
a step back. And we're in a moment right now
where not just jerrymandering, but efforts at voter suppression, efforts
at questioning the results of elections, efforts at the executive

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branch unilaterally doing things that bypassed Congress and the people's representatives.
Militarization of cities, politicization of our justice departments and our military.
Those are trend lines that were mind us. This precious

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democracy that we've got is not a given.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
It's not self executing.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
It requires us to fight for it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
It requires us to stand up for it.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
You know.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
You know, Matt, it's a little hard for me to
hear President Obama say we got complecent.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Let's see. I know black folks love this Obama, but no,
he got complecent.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
More of the thousand state seats were lost during his
eight years.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
The DNC was not strong. Obama for America supplanted the DNC.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
And the redsteresting effort that he's been working with Eric
Holder that was launched after he left office.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Let's be real clear. Ronnie Manuel, when he was Obama's chief.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Staff, would often deride progressives, saying, I'm sick of them
talking about the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Right there.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
That was a problem.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
Rommie Manuel, James Carville, Paul Bagalia we're critical of Howard
deemed a fifty state strategy. They wanted to focus on
national So when Obama says we he got a look
at the mirror, and we got to be willing to
actually offer that critique because we were all there and
we saw it, and a lot of us were saying,
don't ignore the states, stop focusing on national That's exactly

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what happened.

Speaker 18 (54:35):
Yeah, and it sounds like that critique is not only
the truth, but it's timely. However, you know, it's subordinate
to the task at hand, which is do not see control,
don't let them get any more seats. Right, So that's
a conversation that we definitely have to have, in a
conversation that has to be had, frankly, so history doesn't
repeat itself in the future. But as for right now,

(54:56):
I think mayor leads comments in response to my question
earlier are are perfectly suited to respond to kind of
what mister Obama said, insofar as it's a matter of
uniformity now right. I mean the brilliance of this is
I don't know enough of the history, and I wish
I could give you an example of this, but I
love the idea that you know, Trump calls Abbott or
calls him out, or calls him like Raffensberger most likely,

(55:19):
and says, hey, give me five more seats, and then
people in other states say, we can counter that by
working in our own legislature to make sure that we counterbalance,
you know, the Jerry managering that they're doing, and that
requires not only uniformity, but it requires that everyone's stand
up at the same time and realize what he's doing
over there, he will soon be trying to do here
and we absolutely cannot let that happen. And I think

(55:42):
it's important to recognize that, you know, we both need
to look at that necessary critique that you're talking about,
but we need to recognize that that's a conversation for tomorrow.
The conversation for today is we cannot lose any further control,
and in fact, we need to leverage the fact that
the economy's bad.

Speaker 16 (55:58):
People are not happy with.

Speaker 18 (55:59):
The militarization, they're not happy with the open fascism that
they see this White House espousing. Therefore, we got to
stand up, and the time is to do that across
this country in every way we possibly can, especially on
the local level, and the legislative you know level in
the state houses, and I wanted to speak to that
to one end. You know, here in Texas, as you mentioned,

(56:19):
the Democrats are talking about coming back at least as
I saw yesterday. But my local state senator is one
of two state senators at least in this area that
did not leave. And you know, he issued a whole
press release about, oh, we want to make a strong
legislative record in the whole deal, but he's getting excoriated
by local politicos.

Speaker 16 (56:37):
And saying, we need you to stand up and grow
a spine.

Speaker 18 (56:40):
This is the time that you need to dip just
like everybody else and show them that we will do
whatever it takes to win. And that's what Democrats have
not done enough. That's what they're called to do now,
and we have to stand up together to do that.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
Well, Michael, I'm not as good as moving on or
focusing on only the now as some other people. And
here's my particular point, Michael, And again I know because
I was there. I remember in two thousand and eight
where they had the Texas primary and Hillary Clinton and
Barack Obama brought out massive numbers. Hillary Clinton and it's

(57:19):
called the Texas two step. Hillary Clinton won the vote,
but then there was the second vote within the precincts
and Obama won that.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
That was massive energy. Michael.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
I remember talking to the chair of the Texas Democratic
Party at the time, and he said, finally we are
going to see money and interest and resources coming into Texas.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Obama wins. None of that happened.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
None of it happened.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
He and the.

Speaker 9 (57:50):
Democrats fly into Dallas, Houston, Austin, raised five eight ten
million dollars and they would leave Texas.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Infrastructure was not built.

Speaker 9 (58:01):
You didn't have an increase in the county parties. They
actually saw Republicans solidified their lead.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Again. I just need people to watch, y'all.

Speaker 9 (58:11):
I was there in twenty twelve when Obama won re election.
I was standing there waiting to go on CNN, and
I was staying, that's to send a then Congressman's Chris
van Holland now Center saying, don't y'all know y'all can
mobilize it and organize it potentially win Texas or Georgia.
He says, no, we can't, too Red. So what happened
in Georgia was Stacy Abrams and Ralphiel Warren.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
I can.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Others said, no, we can do that, and they actually launched.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
The Georgia the New Georgia Project and New Georgia Voter Project.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
And that's exactly what they did.

Speaker 9 (58:42):
I remember telling Van Holland, you got two million Latinos
who are eligible but unregistered. Texas has the most eligible
black voters in the country. No, we're not going to
do that, I said, that's the problem. I said, so
you basically are conceding. And so I do believe so
part of the reason we are where there we are
right now, and Matt, this is why we got and
I'm sorry, so people got look in the mirror. The

(59:05):
Republicans have solidified their power in Texas because when Obama
was there for eight years, they did not organize and
mobilize Texas. So guess what, you don't do it for
eight years, and now you're looking between twenty twenty five
and they actually have control of the legislature.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
They have control of the Governor's mansion, the House, and
the Senate. And so people are going to have to
stop saying.

Speaker 9 (59:31):
Well, we know, folks are gonna.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Have to own that thing and say, I my what
I ignored?

Speaker 9 (59:39):
And I fundamentally believe that the problem that Democrats have
today is that too many of them ignored what was
happening on the state level over the last ten to
fifteen years, and they will.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Only focus on national elections.

Speaker 9 (59:52):
And Republicans played the long game and said, hey, all
power is not in Washington, DC, it's also in state capitals.

Speaker 19 (01:00:01):
Yeah, that that's a good argument. And I remember when
a lot of those fights were taking place. I remember
when people were saying, you need to build that infrastructure
in Texas and you can win. Build the infrastructure in Georgia,
you can win.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
But also Florida.

Speaker 19 (01:00:17):
Okay, if I remember correctly that that same argument was made,
like in Florida, you don't have that infrastructure built for
Democrats in Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
And then yes, there was there was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Florida used to be Michael, Michael, Michael. Let's not Michael,
let's not Michael.

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
Let's not run past it. Florida used to be a
competitive state. It was a purple state. And the reality
is the lack of leadership. And again, I just need
people to just be honest. Okay, when Obama won, he
got rid of Howard Dean, he put in Tim Kaine,
he was an awful DNC leader. Then he followed it
up with Dinny Washington Shultz, she was an awful DNC.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Leader, And so we just got to put it out there.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
When you examine the problem today, you cannot ignore the
previous ten twenty years.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
You go to any doctor and all of a sudden,
you have some health issues.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
Today, he's gonna say, well, how you been living for
the last twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Years, and then just pop up magically.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
And what I'm saying is people have to recognize ignoring
these things ten twenty years ago is why we're in
the position we are in right now.

Speaker 19 (01:01:27):
It's been too Yeah, yeah, is dealing with the infrastructure
is not just voting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
It's not just.

Speaker 19 (01:01:35):
Kamala Harris was down I think seven million votes from
Biden Harris in twenty twenty when they got eighty one
million votes.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
It's not just that.

Speaker 19 (01:01:44):
It's the lack of infrastructure built in certain states. And
speaking to the state legislature, I remember the discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I remember the fight in House under President Obama, and
I voted for Obama twice.

Speaker 19 (01:01:58):
Okay, But having these conversations, I think is good and
healthy so that we can identify mistakes that have been
made in the past, so we don't make them again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
But I remember that in the.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
State legislature, the state legislatures across the country, Democrats got
killed in the state legislatures, okay, And that that conversation
took place at that time also, and the conversation dealing
with the importance of the Supreme Court. It wasn't until really,

(01:02:31):
I think after the after Trump wins in twenty sixteen,
that then Democrats really start realizing, oh damn, how important
the Supreme Court is, especially when.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Roe versus Grow versus way was overturned.

Speaker 19 (01:02:47):
When Trump got three Supreme Court ye justice nominees confirmed, Okay,
then all of a sudden, then people were, oh damn,
we got to focus on the Supreme Court. Okay, and
and and Joapublicans played the law game, and Mitch McConnell
was instrumental in this, because Mitch McConnell made it his
lifelong mission to get as many federal judges confirmed as possible,

(01:03:11):
and just very quickly, when Republicans took back control of
the Senate in twenty fourteen, they blocked one hundred and
three federal judge nominations from President Barack Obama, and they
blocked Merrick Garland the nomination to the Supreme Court, which
left all that open for Donald Trump to do a

(01:03:31):
slam dunk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
And these are these are lifetime appointments.

Speaker 19 (01:03:35):
So we have to understand that three branches of the
federal government is not just the executive branch.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
It's not just the president.

Speaker 19 (01:03:42):
You got the legislature, the federal legislature, you got, the
Supreme Court, you got you know, the Federal Cell and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Keeping in mind the state legislature also.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
So here's interesting right now.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
So this person here posted in our chat, I'm out
because people are so for now rehashing two thousand and
eight and we have we have no plan for twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
It is foolish right now. Hr you're wrong. You are
one hundred percent wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:04:12):
And the reason you're wrong is if I am going
to diagnose, So let me just use a sports analogy
for folks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Who you know it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
Since we had a golf tournament, since we had a
golf tournament, let me explain y'all how it has worked.
As somebody who's played golf for thirty eight years. If
I keep missing putts and I keep missing them to
the left and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Missing with them, to the right. You know what I
need to do.

Speaker 9 (01:04:39):
I need to get a video camera or get a
coach who can then look at my swing and then
look at the mistakes that I am making and then
give me correction to improve my golf swing my golf
putting so I can actually make more putts. This notion
that you can't look at what should be it wrong

(01:05:01):
in order to have a plan today is nonsensical.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Show me a.

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
Coach who has a quarterback. Who is who if the
quarterback is inefficient, we're here. We're here Indianapolis. Peyton Manning,
Hall of Fame quarterback. So guess what if Peyton Manning's
footwork is wrong, if Peyton Manning's release point is wrong,
then he's not going.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
To be as accurate as he needs to be.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
So you have to actually diagnose the problem by looking
at the paths to assess how we got to the
president in order to fix it in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
So let's take what's happening in Texas. What are you
now dealing with.

Speaker 9 (01:05:42):
Republicans have the governor's mansion, They control the Texas House
and the Texas Senate. They have a supermajority. So before
you can take control of state government. You gotta win
one before you can take over the governor's mansion. In
the House and the Senate, you gotta win one of them.
And guess what, you may not even win the Texas House.
You may not win the Texas Senate. Or what you

(01:06:04):
have to do is you have to then win critical
seats so there's no supermajority.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
And so now what you then do is, if you're.

Speaker 9 (01:06:12):
In Texas, see if all your people keep talking about plan, plan, plan,
explain y'all, well how plans work. You then look at
the map and say, okay, are there five or eight
seats in the Texas House that we can focus our
resources to win those seats in the next election.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
So at least we're not where they have to talk
to us.

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
See right now, Republicans in Texas House can pass whatever
they want, whether their Democrats come back for a quorum.
They have the votes, they don't need Democrats. So you
have to actually look at Okay, let me examine the map.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Okay, you know what that's too? Red red red, red.

Speaker 9 (01:06:55):
Okay, is this a possible pickup seat? Now, how do
we organized and mobilized in that district to win that
particular seat. That's called a plan of action. But you
have to look at what you did before, which now means, okay,
do I have the Candidas running in all positions? How

(01:07:16):
much money are they raising? Do I have boots on
the ground, do I have a district offices? And who's
doing it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
That's a plan of action. But see some of y'all,
I see y'all comments, some of.

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
Y'all, y'all so mad that I critiqued Obama because y'all
think Obama is right behind Jesus. When you have to
acknowledge that he made crucial mistakes that again affected him,
but he impacted Democrats down ballot.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
So now, now, how do you now restore this? And
so here's what I would say. Here's what I would say,
President Obama. Why don't you.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
Go forth and begin to say, I'm going to raise
ten million dollars twenty million dollars in order to help
Democrats win back to Texas House. How about that? How
about you literally go down to mobilize and organize to
do that. See, That's what I'm talking about here. See,
and Cameron, too many of us don't want to say that.

(01:08:19):
Too many of us don't want to challenge leadership on that.
And I'm saying that's what you have to do. But
if you not, don't do it by just giving doing
a video conference and oh you know, you know, we
got to keep trying. No, you actually, what happened to
the whole database of Cameron Obama for America?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Where did it go? Where do those people go?

Speaker 9 (01:08:42):
There were millions of people who had signed up for
the Where did they go? You have to mobilize and organize.
I'll give Bernie Sanders credit when he lost, he took
his database and he converted that into our Revolution Congress
and Jesse Jackson Jr.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Told me this year he said that Roland.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
The greatest mistake that my dad did after the nineteen
eighty eight campaign is that he did not weaponize his database.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Here.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
He had all of these volunteers, these workers, these donors,
and he did not take that and then create a
lasting political operation that could help candidates down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Cameron. That's called planning.

Speaker 20 (01:09:32):
Yeah, as a person who's sat there and been at
the forefront, when where what states are reinvesting with districts
were investing. The thing you always heard about Texas is that, oh,
it's too expensive it's too big, there's too many markets.
Some of these state houses can be won with a
million or two million dollars. There are things that were

(01:09:54):
within the margins, that are within the margins of a
few thousand votes. That's just organized, that's just a tension,
that's just a purposeful focus. I think Democrats and if
they haven't learned, and we haven't as a party learned
by now, this is no longer a defensive game.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
This is an offensive game.

Speaker 20 (01:10:11):
You always hear that term the blue wall, the blue wall,
that needs to be a blue push, a blue spear,
like we need to be moving.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
Forward and not just playing the defense.

Speaker 20 (01:10:19):
Because to your point, like if there's several different states
where there are literally hundreds or only a few thousand
votes that separate a Democrat from a Republican, a democratic republican.
But I as a person who deals in advertising and
deals in and kind of on the digital organizing side,
you would always hear, oh, we can't invest that that

(01:10:41):
costs us too money, That media market costs too much,
that costs too much. Well, it costs some money to win,
but it's both money, attention and people and focus. And
to your point, I do think we have to understand
what we have done wrong and pivot to what we're
going to be doing now in twenty five and especially
with twenty six coming up.

Speaker 9 (01:11:02):
Absolutely, and Matt again, one of the reasons you have
seen Republican games in South Texas is because Democrats took.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
It for granted.

Speaker 9 (01:11:14):
They did not focus on the issues, and they did
not keep the mobilization in the organization up and they.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Allowed for Republicans. And whether the Republicans do in South Texas, Matt,
you're there.

Speaker 9 (01:11:23):
They came in, they invested time, they invested resources, they
invested boots on the ground. They played the long game
because they said, if we can flip two, three, four
or five seats all of a sudden, we change the trajectory.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
That's literally how the game is played.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Matt.

Speaker 16 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you, but you know, to
use your analogy earlier.

Speaker 18 (01:11:44):
If you go to a golf pro and you've got
a tournament coming up in a week, they're gonna take
a much more home focused approach on how to accomplish
you performing in that tournament in a week, differently than
they are the long game fixing your golf swing.

Speaker 16 (01:11:58):
Two things can be true at once.

Speaker 18 (01:11:59):
I literally live in South Texas and the local county
where I live in the Democratic Party is in a
mutiny right now because the person who's the party chairman
is just, you know, believed to not be moving quickly
enough and to not have enough long term strategy. And
there's kind of a young gun coming in to take
his position down the road. So You're right, people want

(01:12:19):
action and people need action. All I'm saying is I
think we can do both things. We can call mister
Obama out for his failures, but we can also say
we have to triage this situation right now.

Speaker 16 (01:12:30):
Both things can be true. And that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
I know when I'm doing mad. When I'm doing mad, actually.

Speaker 18 (01:12:36):
Hold on finished, let me finish. Actually, we can talk
about what Republicans did. And I live in a county
that was blue when I moved here, and it is
now red or purple, and I've seen the changes that
they've made. I'm just saying, right now, the focus, the
predominant focus, should be solving the immediate problem, and not
merely spending the time and talking about how the problem arose,
because that is secondary to solving the problem.

Speaker 9 (01:12:58):
But your immediate problem First of all, your immediate problem
you really can't control. Let's just be fundamentally clear, Michael.
The reality is House DEM's return for the KORM maps
get passed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Okay, then you can have the lawyer's takeover.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
But what I'm still talking about is you still have
elections in twenty twenty six. So and we're talking now
what fifteen months fourteen months away. Somebody sat here in
the chat, somebody said, somebody's said in the chat here
they said Obama should raise money in California, not Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
But that's stupid.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
There are billionaires in Texas, There's billions of dollars in there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
No, you do raise money there.

Speaker 9 (01:13:42):
The problem, Michael was raising money in Texas and moving
it out of state.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Need to raise money in Texas to keep it in Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Right, because Texas can be one.

Speaker 19 (01:13:53):
You've talked about how Texas has the largest number of
black voters that are not registered.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
If I remember correctly, you saying.

Speaker 9 (01:14:02):
That, no, no, no, no no no tech no no, no,
no no no, Texas had no no no no, no
democract Texas has the largest number of eligible black voters
than any state in America.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Yeah, eligible black voters any state in America.

Speaker 19 (01:14:16):
And I also remember a few years ago they told Rourke,
if I remember correctly, they told Rourke was talking about
how the Democratic Party was not investing the money in
Texas and if they invested the money in Texas, they
could win Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Okay, so Texas.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
And what he did was he and what he did, Michael, Michael.
What he did was he ran against Ted Cruz. He
visited all two and fifty four counties. But again, he
ran a campaign. When the election is over is over.
Now he still has his organization, but Texas has two
It's a huge ass state. It's two and fifty four counties,

(01:14:56):
so you have to have massive infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
One can't do that. That's why you have a party apparatus.
That's the whole point.

Speaker 19 (01:15:07):
Yeah, And when we had these conversations, like I said,
I voted for Obama twice. Okay, if he was running
the third time, I vote for a third time. But
us having this conversation to look at what went wrong
so we can fix it is not bashing Obama.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I want people to understand. This is not bashing Obama.

Speaker 19 (01:15:29):
And the message that he gave to the to the
Texas Democrats from the Texas State House. And unfortunately some
of them, some of their needs are buckling and they're
going to go back. The message was an inspiring message,
but we also have to understand how do we get
here what happened in twenty four for what happened in
twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
We didn't just get to.

Speaker 19 (01:15:53):
Twenty twenty five, you know, overnight, okay, And so there's
multi parts when it comes to this political game. It's
more than just showing up on a on a particular
day voting. It's just that infrastructure that's built on the ground,
that messages, that engages in people. And this is what

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Republicans did in Florida. They became part of the community.
This is how they got allow Latinos to vote Republican
in Florida. They I saw stories.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Where I'll give you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Go ahead, Oh yeah, I saw you perfect.

Speaker 19 (01:16:31):
I saw stories where they were citizenship papers and citizenship forms,
things like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
This, like right, you know Bill in the communities.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Right, I'll give you. I'll give you perfect example. I
guarantee you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:46):
After my comments yesterday and last night, you've got some
members of the Texas Black Caucus ball they are hopping
mad at me, And I'm sure it's some Texas house
dens who are upset with what I had to say.
But if you are mad at what I said, what
that tells me is you didn't listen to what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
And that is.

Speaker 9 (01:17:10):
These Texas house Dems they left, they were out two weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Now they're going back. That's it. Two weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
The point that I made is they raised expectations. They
gave the impression that they were going to hold out
for the long haul. Two weeks ain't the long haul.
What did I say last night was my greatest concern.
My greatest concern is that people would be frustrated that

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they only held out for two weeks, and that potentially
could depress people's energy and enthusiasm when it comes to
turning out. So if you the texts black car because
say you mad, get over it. And in fact, if
you mad, don't show up for the corm on Monday. See,

(01:18:06):
I'm not interested in folks feelings. Everybody know what y'all
everybody know why I believe in the phrase f y F.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Cameron. What do you think f y F is?

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
It ain't about feelings?

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
Roland Matt Matt Matt, what you think, f y, What
you think, f y? Yeah, if your feelings. And what
they don't understand, what they don't understand is you said
you you said your big your big mama watched the show.

Speaker 16 (01:18:41):
Yeah, I'm not goinna say it, but I know what
it stands.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
And she probably told you at one time, if your feelings.
But but but but the thing that I'm trying to
get people to understand is that you mad because I'm mad.
First of all, you want me to be mad.

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
You want me to be passed, you want me to care,
you want me to be invested in this, and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
So I don't care.

Speaker 9 (01:19:08):
And I'm telling you I guarante I knew when I
was doing the show last night. I said, oh, but
they about to be big mad. And I said to
my frat brother Ron Reynolds, he my frat. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
But that me real clear.

Speaker 9 (01:19:20):
And this is for This is for all of the
members of the Texas Black Caucus, This is for all
Texas House Dems, and this is for any Republican, any
dem anywhere in the country. I done told y'all my
foster be is if you do good, I'm gonna talk
about you. If you do bad, I'm gonna talk about
you at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
I'm gonna talk about you. Listen, I'm on a text
chain with Jean Woo.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
Somebody just connected me or rep connected me with him.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
He wants to talk to.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
Me to explain a process. Okay, we gonna talk. I'mna
still disagree. But if you mad and upset, maybe what
y'all ought to do is go look at how many
views video guy. See it's a lot of It's a
lot of folk in Congress mad at Congress and Jasmine Crockett.

(01:20:07):
But it's amazing how they all call her to come
do with their fundraisers in their state and they county parties. See,
it's amazing. How to me is dumb. So maybe the
folk who are mad at political leaders who are fighting
for the people, who are resonating with the people, maybe

(01:20:29):
what they should do is stop hating on them and
start asking how are you doing it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Because we know what.

Speaker 9 (01:20:39):
There's a lack of guts in politics these days. And
so I'm telling you right now, and I was dead serious.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
If any of.

Speaker 9 (01:20:51):
Those remembers the Texas Black carsers, let me just say
it again, for the folk in the back who don't
understand what I'm saying. If you are a black member
of the Texas, if you have the Texas Black Caucus,
I'm telling you right now, if you show up and
a love that coorm to happen, don't be surprised when
I pop up in your district. As matter of fact,

(01:21:13):
I challenge you to come on the show. Let me
just go ahead and throw the gauntlet down any member
of the Texas Black caucas who has a problem with
what I said last night.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
And I knew when I was saying that folk were gonna.

Speaker 9 (01:21:28):
Be mad and upset, and I was just honored represented
Jilonda Jones Or put that in and I was honored
at the Black caucas I'm keeping on with them before.
If you got a problem with what I said, come
on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
I dare you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:43):
I dare you to come on the show and we
can have the conversation, have the debate. Because here's one
thing that I know. I know exactly what the people
are saying, and what the people are saying is I
need folk representing me who's got some fight in them
and who are not willing to back down.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
Go to a quick break. We come back and talk
about a big win in Louisiana. When to come traditional
Toy and the.

Speaker 9 (01:22:10):
Course, my alpha brother, Bishop William Barber is going to
be joining us, and we're going to be talking about
how to organize pouring low income people across this country,
whether they are white, Black, Latino, Asian.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
He says that if just two to five.

Speaker 9 (01:22:24):
Percent of low income people in this country actually vote,
it will cause a tsunami across the nation.

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That's not all.

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Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I'm filming, hey, folks. Big win in Louisiana.

Speaker 9 (01:25:19):
A federal court rule that the state maps in Louisiana
violate the Voting Rice Act. That is a huge win.
We've of course been covering this story, and you know
the section two of the Voting Rice Act hanging by
a thread, but is playing a huge role in many
of these races.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Again, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, this is a.

Speaker 9 (01:25:42):
Very conservative court, found the current maps illegally packed and
cracked black communities are there concentrating black voters into two
few districts or scattering them across many, weakening their ability
to elect preferred candidates. The court rejected Louisiana's are argument
that race based protections are outdated, citing decades of president

(01:26:05):
affirming Congress's powered to enforce voting rights down Louisiana must
draw fair maps that reflect its sizeable black population, while
a separate Supreme Court case over the state's congressional map
is still pending. Matt this right here again, Huge, Listen,
they weakened section four of the voting rights sac Section
two is still there Louisiana. Third of Louisiana population's African American,

(01:26:28):
and for the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
But listen, look, you're there in Texas.

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Explain to people that this is not the Ninth Circuit,
this ain't California, and so this ruling is significant.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
If the Fifth Circuit Court.

Speaker 9 (01:26:43):
Of Appeals found this violation violates the voting rights of
African Americans.

Speaker 18 (01:26:50):
Well, let me first say, actually, I'm sitting in Baton
Rouge as we speak, and I have to give a
huge congratulation to my cousin, Shenice Manning, who got her
Masters in physics today in is en route get her
PhD in physics from LSU.

Speaker 16 (01:27:02):
So I first got a shout out.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
In proper black folks love giving shout a. Black people
love giving shout out. Love shout out. I got to
love shout outs. Don't head what you don't, don't head
with the shout out. Okay, And she's an AKA for
what it's.

Speaker 16 (01:27:16):
Worse, so so shout out to her. But in any event,
you know.

Speaker 9 (01:27:20):
Okay, okay, anything else, anything else, l s U bad
rouge aka anything else. Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:27:27):
She's just an amazing person. So I'm proud of her,
and I want to want to give her her flowers.

Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
While I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
But in any event, go ahead.

Speaker 16 (01:27:33):
In any event, the Fifth Circuit.

Speaker 18 (01:27:35):
Is by far the most conservative federal Court of Appeals
in the country. You know, I have to tell every client, yeah,
you have a good case, but the Fifth Circuit is
the mountain we still have to climb. And you know,
it's it's very tough sometimes because you see some inconsistent
rulings for them from them, but for them to issue
this ruling is really an extraordinary thing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:27:55):
The concern is with the Supreme Court.

Speaker 18 (01:27:57):
They're making decisions every day that to me seem to
be just violative of the basic principles of the rule
of law. And we can't have assurances that our courts
are going to get it right all the time. But
they did get it right this time. And that's especially
true when you are walking around as I literally am
in a city like Baton Rouge. I mean, the blackness
is on full display. It's a lot of black people here,
clearly in Louisiana. As the good Brother Gary Chambers comes

(01:28:20):
on all the time. It reminds us and it's important
for those people to have a full, you know, participation
in society in terms of through voting.

Speaker 16 (01:28:28):
So I'm glad that the court upheld this and the
Fifth Circuit.

Speaker 18 (01:28:32):
I mean, frankly, if you win at the fifth Circuit,
that's an even bigger win than winning in most circuits
when you have anything that has to do with voting rights,
civil rights, you know, employment, anything that's seems to be
a civil rights adjacent claim is one where the Fifth
Circuit is very often hostile.

Speaker 16 (01:28:49):
So this is a huge win.

Speaker 18 (01:28:51):
I'm glad to see that this win came down, and
I'm hoping that, you know, in further litigation or in
subsequent litigation like this, not only a fifth circuit, all
the courts of appeals and the one at the top
the supremes gets it rights to make sure that people's
votes count and that districts cannot be you know, jerrymandered
as they're attempting to do, to cut out the full

(01:29:11):
opportunity to elect the person that you want to be elected.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
Joining us on the phone right now, as Bishop William Barber,
the second glad to have him on the show. Bishop
is going to be in Jackson, Mississippi for moral Mondays
and Bishop there's a lot we've been talking about obviously,
what was happening in Texas, California, districting voting, everything that,
But this is the thing that and I was just
talking about. When you know, President Obama he addressed the

(01:29:37):
Texas House Democrats.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
And what I said is listen, listen, you can fight
for you can try.

Speaker 9 (01:29:42):
To fight to break the korn, but if you do
not organize the state, if you don't mobilize the state,
you can't win. News conference is not gonna do it.
Just just sitting down having zones is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Not gonna do it.

Speaker 9 (01:29:55):
It literally has to be if we talk about hand
to hand combat, this has to be a person by person,
house by house, street by street, block by block, precinct
by precinct neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city, state by state.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Exactly, Roland. Can you hear me where Roland? Exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Yep, I got you bish to go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
And in Texas, as in Georgia as and in North Carolina,
as is in Mississippi. The numbers are in our favor
if we go to the right places. If the bottom
line is, if you look at poor and low wage
voters in Texas, whether you look at black just black,
or black and brown and white, who would vote, who

(01:30:39):
have voted more progressive when they voted this number in Texas,
something like three percent is all you need to overcome
the past margins of the votes. So it's not that
they have so much power. It's that we're not bringing
all our power to the state. Progressive leader that's running
in a House district committed to increase the number of

(01:31:01):
turnouts in that district ten percent, even though they may
not have competition even that more. They may be in
a black stacked or a brown stack district. If we
start thinking like that and organizing this, then these are
Georgia and Virginia are the only states that can turn
North Carolina. I want you to I said that here first,
North Carolina is gonna take that sent fee and it's

(01:31:22):
gonna turn, and it can turn by margins. I looked
the other day in Mississippi, and Mississippi Presley lost the
governor's race by twenty three thousand votes over five hundred
thousand black and brown poor low Wte Voltos did not vote.
But the main thing is they weren't really fought for
or reachs for. And so this is why we had
as you can have hand to hand or precinct, the

(01:31:43):
precinct combat and what's going to Texas. I would encourage them,
you and I been talking. Number one, don't just go
back and today make them have to arrest you. I
think all of them are to get wheelchairs and sit
in it and say that the Texas it's just trying
to cripple democracy and cripple Texas. Make them arresting those wheelchairs.

(01:32:05):
Filed under our section to the Voter Rights Act. The
people in Texas ought to be filed in under section
to the Voter Rights Act. And when they're gonna get
read wherever it's gonna be stayed, tell the people so
all the people can meet you there. And when they
meet you there, have a plan for what they had
to do when they go back to the various counties,
tell them what the numbers are. Educate the people to

(01:32:27):
the fact that we have the power has been fixed.
Now that the Southern strategy does not have these big
margins anymore, they are overcomeable margins. Texas should fall, Florida
should fall, Louisiana can fall, North Carolina can fall, Virginia
can fall, Georgia and Florida and Florida can fall. If

(01:32:47):
for those states I just named fall to an overpowering vote,
it changes everything politically, rolland everything.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Yeah, and at the end of the day, it's going
to take some work. And guess what.

Speaker 9 (01:33:02):
You may not do it in one cycle, you may
not do it in two cycles, but you have to
stay at it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
And I think that.

Speaker 9 (01:33:11):
Excuses are not going to cut it. And the bottom
line is it's going to take a lot of work,
a lot of money. And I said a point Blake,
I said, listen in Texas, I said, I think President
Barack Obama needs to go to Texas and he order
needs to say I'm gonna raise ten million dollars and
we are going to win critical state houses to break
the supermajority in Texas. We want to do the same

(01:33:31):
thing in Florida. Republicans. It barely was broken in North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
And that's what you have to do.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
You have to look at the data and say, what
are the seats that we can pick up, what can
we win. So you may not be able to win
the House, but if you break the supermajority as a
step to winning the House or the Senate, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
And you've got to get a consultant that won't just
use the whole language, the old way, the whole game.
They're lazy. They don't want to go after these in
fretyquent voters. They don't know how to talk one. The
thing is, Democrats cannot merely run saying we're against Trump.
They have to say, Okay, this is what he did
in the first hundred days. Put me in the congree,
give us a majority. This is what we're doing the

(01:34:09):
first five days or the first fifty days. You know,
we Democrats had a chance in twenty twenty and you
told him, you said, do not just pass the COVID
relief deal. I remember when you said it. We said it,
you said, pass voting rights, restored the Voting Rights Act
and the COVID relief. Do it all at one time.
Don't give Mantion what he wants before he commits to

(01:34:33):
what he promised John Lewis before he died. What happened,
Democrats capitulated, They come of them. Black went after the
voting COVID relief and said, man, she had promised them
afterwards he would vote a certain way as soon as
he got what he wanted. He reneged. This is not
gaming anymore. This is authoritarianism. On Stereois, an expert on

(01:34:55):
authoritism authoritarianism, Rolling told me the other day that the
thing she fears the is that this thing is movement
at the speed of a military coup guitar. And now
that Trump has brought the military inn to shut down cities,
it's looking more and more like a military coup guitar.
And the politics we engage this year and next year

(01:35:15):
are going to be determinative of whether you slow it
down and stop it. We have so much power. That's
why we're going to al Monday again in Memphis, and
we're taking caskets to the Senator's officers in the South
who voted to basically commit policy violence. Kill that all
people by taking away Medicaid and creating policy murder. But

(01:35:37):
what we're also doing in the roller is organizing the pain.
We're not gonna let this leave the headlines. We're gonna
tell folk the truth. And then if you take sixteen
million people's healthcare, that's sixteen million people we ought to
be mobilizing to vote. If you take twenty million people
off of SNAP, that pain will enable them to be
organized by vote that will say if you elect me,

(01:36:00):
I will get those things back immediately. With the majority,
we can organize this pain, black pain, white plain, brown pain,
Native pain. But it's hard, hard, hard work, you know,
bronand I wouldn't be going down that we were invited
in Mississippi and they said they want to fight. You
gotta go where it is. But you got to do
more than just a speech. You gotta organize, and you

(01:36:23):
have to know these numbers and stop telling our people
that we, well the South, you can't do anything well.
White people vote against their own self, and some of
them do. But the numbers tell us that we haven't
even gotten fifty percent of our black people to vote yet.
So let's start talking about how we can get six
seventy percent of black people to vote, get twenty percent

(01:36:44):
of all poor, low wage people who haven't voted to vote,
and let's see what that does, because that will fundamentally
shift the numbers in in these states.

Speaker 9 (01:36:55):
And I said that before we come, before the winter
the break, I said, listen, and I knew when I
expressed my passion to position yesterday, I knew so it
was gonna be some Texas House Dems upset by that.
It was going to be some Texas Black Caucus members
upset by that. But that isn't my problem. And if

(01:37:16):
they are mad, my whole deal is deal with it.
If they are mad, then guess what, use everything in
your power. Don't show up for the quorum if they
are mad, mobilized and organized.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
But the bottom liners is here.

Speaker 9 (01:37:27):
I am concerned as a fifty six year old black
man who's fifty seven in November, who has nine nieces
for nephews. I got my nephew just had a baby,
my niece has a baby on the way. I am
concerned that my nieces and nephews and their children are
going to lose power in the state where lots of blood,

(01:37:47):
sweat and tears will put in to improve the plight
of African Americans. So I ain't never gonna apologize for
my passion and demanding folk use every ounce of their
being to change this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
We don't need another August nineteenth, like we have a
June Team roller where years down the road folks say,
well they should have they should have been on August
nineteenth gotten arrested, and they didn't, and two years later
people figured out that they could have done it, they
should have done it. We don't need any more of
that messaging. Winning the messaging battle isn't the battle. You

(01:38:23):
have to mobilize the message. And why would you not
force avert to arrest you and then take avert to court,
tied up in court, sue in court, and then use
that to mobilize the people. You know, I believe if
they if those Texas Democrats stood their ground and said, listen,

(01:38:44):
we're literally going to say if you're going to get us,
you got to come get us, if we're going to
be in wheelchairs, because you're crippling this democracy, you're crippling America.
And if they announced where they would be, I think
tens of thout hundred thousand. I think they could put
two hundred thousand people I Great in Texas and then
tell them. But if they quit, people that were going

(01:39:05):
to fight are gonna say, see there, see see and.

Speaker 9 (01:39:11):
I'll tell you, Bishop, I'll tell you, Bishop, Bishop.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
I was reading. I was on the plane.

Speaker 9 (01:39:16):
I was reading Martin Depp's book on Operation bread Basket.
April of nineteen sixty nine, one year after the assassinated
assassination Doctor King, the Speaker of the House of Illinois Ogilvie,
was proposing a bill to cut one hundred and twenty
five million dollars in welfare funds. Reverend Jesse Jackson Senior.
In Operation bread Basket, they mobilized four thousand people outside

(01:39:41):
of the state capitol on in Springfield. They put so
much pressure on him that he withdrew the bill. That
was One state lawmaker said he had never seen in
his career where a Speaker of the House got so
much pressure that he withdrew his own bill. That's what
happens when you again give the people something to fight for,

(01:40:04):
and they're gonna stand there and this is and this
is all I'm trying to say. And listen, I'm gonna
call I'm gonna called representative jeen Wu.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
I'm gonna talk to you about their strategy, but I
need them to understand that in this moment BISHITV.

Speaker 9 (01:40:18):
You see this all the time when people build down
trott and beaten down, left out. Uh, they need somebody
to give them hope, They need something to fight for.
And if then, but when, but when you raise the
expectations and then.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
All of a sudden you lower them, then folk go
with what what? What? What the hell are we doing?
Why did I go to Why did I go to
the commission and testify? Why did I do all of that?
If all you was gonna do is sit out for
two weeks, that's my central critique.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
You never you never started to sit in and quit
wrote They started in December nineteen went eighty one day
in North can I. When we started marrow Monday, we
went over twenty weeks roller and folk arrested, but thousands
of people showed up and they mobilized. In twenty fourteen

(01:41:08):
we had one hundred thousand people show up at the
General Assembly, and that year when the elections came, we
threw out the governor, who is an extremist like Trump
and was one of the only states where an incumber
Tea partyer was sent home a House member and from
western North Carolina when black and white folk up in
western North Carolina found themselves a way to come together

(01:41:29):
during Morrow Monday. Once you commit to active civil disobedience,
you have to stay with it. Otherwise you mess up
the courage of the people who are with you, and
you embolden the people who are against you. You know,
if you could, like Jesus said, if you're going to
set your face like flint, you got to go all
the way. And you know what, Roland, I want to

(01:41:50):
say this in love. We cannot be the generation that
does more with less, with more than folk for us
who did more with less. Now, I know we might
be facing arrest, but look Texas. They about Texas. There
were people who stood up in Texas in eight hunten
hundreds and the early nineteen hundred who faced being lynched.

(01:42:11):
Not just merely getting arrest, you know and going home,
They faced being lynched. And every seat in Texas, every
black seat in the South, is dipped in blood. I'm
going to Mississippi Black Caucus on Monday. They're talking to them,
and I'm go remindful every seat here is dipped in blood.
There's no way in the world that we can be

(01:42:37):
more afraid than folk were seven to eighty one hundred
years ago when they faced more dangers. Then come on, y'all,
and we have more ways to get people together. You
got this show that reaches hundreds of thousands of people,
you got all this social media. I mean, we come
from people who didn't even have any of this and
did more. As you said, the time is right now.

(01:43:01):
Please do not disappoint the people. And there's some things
that if you keep saying something is bad, it's bad,
it's bad, it's terrible, it's terrible, it's terrible, it's the
worst thing ever. And then you capitulate to the extremists
and you go in when you are to stay out.
You give them their majority when you are not, give
them their quarrels, give them their quarrel. My god, what

(01:43:25):
that does to people is it says, you know what,
this is nothing but the game folk. And they don't
turn on your adversary. They turn on you. That's the
thing about it. When you disappoint people and you and you,
and you call them the courage, and then they don't
see it. They don't turn on the people who who
you gave into they turn on you, and the way

(01:43:47):
they turn on you. You get forty percent of the
people voting, you get fifty percent of people voting, and
sixty percent of people staying home. And with those kind
of numbers, you're never going to overcome this extreme ism
and authoritarianism that we see today.

Speaker 9 (01:44:04):
To my panel, I need quick questions for Bishop Barber Cameron.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
I'll start with you, Bishop Barber.

Speaker 20 (01:44:13):
You said you're headed down to Mississippi. I think that
Senate race with Senator Sidney Highsmith is probably one of
the most racist senators we have. Do you feel like
that's a winnable race next year?

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
The numbers say it is. The numbers say that it is.
I was just shared with Roland the other day that
if you look at poor low wage voters, about six
hundred thousand or more in the state, over four hundred
thousand nearly five hundred thousand didn't vote. In the gugnatorial race.
The Mageric victory was only twenty three thousand votes. The

(01:44:49):
the maginal victory in the last Senate race is smaller,
way smaller than the number of poor, low wage voters.
If THEMS put money in there, if they put people
on the ground in there. You remember the former Secretary
of Agriculture, He almost won down there out of Mississippi,
but he asked for resources and got none. He asked

(01:45:11):
for help and got none. He he and he forced
that race. I mean he won in places they didn't think.
Mississippi is one of the key thing. They got fifty
six black members of the caucus down there. It's only
one hundred and twenty some members of the whole state legislature.
They have over fifty six in Mississippi of all places.
If every black Democrat runs in that district like they have,

(01:45:35):
competition increases that turn out by ten to twelve percent.
If they mobilize the poor and low wage white white
folk and black folk. Sixty eight percent of white Republicans
said they now want medicated after COVID, and many of
them down there. You don't have to get fifty percent.

(01:45:56):
If you can get twenty five percent poor and low
wage voters. Take a lot of white voters that may
have either not voted or voted in another way to
vote their agenda, vote their pain. This is winnable, but
it's not winnable if you keep saying it's not and
you don't invest any money in it, and you just
write it out. The Dems have written the South off

(01:46:16):
too long, too long, and we've got to stop it.
They have to stop it and start truly investing and
organizing the South.

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Thank you, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Rock and William Barber.

Speaker 19 (01:46:30):
When you talk to poor and low wealth people who
haven't voted in a number of years, what are some
of the key hot button issues that resonate with them
that get them to realize, Okay, I need to vote
because this impacts my life.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Well, first, the thing we should know this, poor lowest
people make fifty thousand dollars in lesson family for for
the first time in modern history, voted for a Republican
candidate over fifty percent. They voted fifty one percent for Trump.
Prior to that, they were voting for Democrats in the majority.
And it started going down after from Obama on fort

(01:47:10):
Now his wife went down. They said, nineteen million poor
old wage voters that voted for Biden and Kamalad when
he was vern didn't vote, not did they vote for
someone else, They just didn't vote. Okay. The Ceilia Lake
just did a study on it. The top reason that

(01:47:30):
they didn't vote is they said they didn't hear a
clear economic agenda when it came to raising the minimum
wage to a living wage and medicaid expansion, that was
the top issue to issues that if they had heard
that clearly, they said, the problem is all they heard
coming from the Democrats was middle class, middle class, middle class.

(01:47:51):
So democrass lost nineteen million voters. And the number one
reason they did not vote in this past election was
because they did not hear a clear economic agenda for
poor and low wage working people. And the second reason
that the top the number one reason they say they
don't vote, according to the study we did, is they

(01:48:13):
said nobody talks to them. They don't campaign in the communities,
they don't come to the communities. They don't say the
word poor, they don't say the word low wages. That's
what's having to keep. If you are running for political office,
people need to hear at least their name and their
situation and their condition. But if you just run and

(01:48:33):
we were told finally Pete Boudajet said, he said he
would probably get in trouble for saying it. I got
it on camera. I'm gonna get it the roller, so
ti y'all can play it, he said, grim Babo, I'm
probably gonna get in trouble for this, but I'm gonna
say it tonight. The consultants tell us not to use
the word pull and low wages. They tell us that,
oh yeah, you gotta get that to me, say that

(01:48:55):
that's crazy as hell. Excuse my friends, but that's crazy
when you got one hundred and forty million pouring low
wage people in this country, eighty seven million poor, low
wage voters, only fifty seven million of them voted, thirty
million staying home, and more people stay voter stayed home
that voted in this past election. And you're not even
even going to say the word poor and low wage.

(01:49:16):
That is a that is a recipe for losing every time.

Speaker 18 (01:49:20):
Yes, Matt, thank you, thank you, very good quote, very
quick follow up question for you, doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Bumbatt in that respect, go ahead, yes, can you hear it?

Speaker 16 (01:49:32):
Okay, doctor Barber, how do you yep, we got to
go ahead. The culture of the people.

Speaker 18 (01:49:36):
How do you change the culture of the people in
places like where I am, Texas poor and low wage
people who are going to repudiate, you know, anything that's
not the Republican label, even though they would be voting
for their interest if they were voting for Medicaid and
some of the other programs. I mean, that's what I
see as a big issue here, is that people don't
want to be aligned with a certain party, and therefore

(01:49:56):
they may not vote even though it's against their interests.

Speaker 16 (01:49:58):
How do you change that quote through the messaging?

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Okay, well, remember what I just said in the stats. Now,
I know what. I know what we tend to say
as a matter of singing, But I look at stats
and let me tell you this rolling. My wife taught
me something the other day that I'm gonna say to y'all,
that's got to become a political reality. You know. I
used to be really, really really big at steroids and

(01:50:22):
stuff blew me yeah, and I lost a lot of weight,
but I kept going to the store in the same size.
For some reason. I couldn't get my mind past sixty.
I had been way up about seventy. I couldn't get
my mind. The other day we went to the store
and I went over there. She said, don't you go
over there another time? She said, you are not that
big anymore. I said, yes, you bring your pretty skin

(01:50:43):
ass over here. Excuse me, but she said, you come
on and try on this two. I went on fifty
two babies. She said, okay, they got to me. Fitting
in there. Go in there. It's gonna tell you the
size of your elbow, your arm, your neck, your eyes, everything.
And they do, and it said fifty two points. Now,
my point I'm trying to make to my brother is
I hear that all the time. But the data says

(01:51:05):
that last year was the first time that pooring lod
waste people voted over fifty percent for a Republican So
that means that fifty percent of them ain't voting for
there against their own entries. It means the major and
that means large amounts of them just aren't voted. Why
because they're not being talked to. So you can't live
in a non statistical reality. The reality is that the

(01:51:29):
majority of pouring low waste people making under fifty thousand
dollars a year when Biden and Hash run and they
did not vote against their self insury forty percent of
but the majority didn't. But the larger issue is so
many of them stayed home and they and they said
not we said, but whether it's black or white. Whether

(01:51:50):
it's Appalachia or the Delta, whether it's the Panhandle or
it's the city. Nobody comes and talks to us about
the issue. News that are really really real. How much
time do I have? One more minute? Roller, I just
want to tell the story. Could one minute? Go ahead?
Go ahead? East Kentucky, my brother, they told me, if

(01:52:12):
you go to East Kentucky, they're gonna shoot you. I
said that. They said, East Kentucky is Republican car I said, no,
it isn't. It's Anne Brayden country. She was a white
woman that fought civil rights in Kentucky. I said, it's
coal mining company where black and white people fought against
the union. And they came up with the song which
which side are you on? Which side are you on
that black blives matter? You people didn't even know that history.

(01:52:35):
I said, it is the It is the country of
the great dissenter, who is the only person to dissent
and in Plessy versus Ferguson. We went there and met
with some folk and we showed them how the state
legislature under Republican leadership was voting against uh, their their
water rights, their their their pensions, turning the coal companies

(01:52:59):
over the faration not passing a blocking medicaid, how many
people that hurt up there in Apalachia and then those mountains,
so forth and so on, And we showed them how
they lighted them. And when they come to them, all
they do is talk about gay people and abortion, but
they don't tell them the rest of the story. We
showed them the rest of the story. Put charts up

(01:53:21):
on the walls, showed them how their legislators voted. And
one guy got up. He was a car you know
the hat fields in the the car. He said, Rad Barber,
show that again. I showed it to him. He said, well,
I whee up at damn If we ain't being bamboozo,
I said, you are. Now what you're gonna do about it?
They got together with black folk from Louisville and began organizing.

(01:53:44):
Four of those six counties voted for Andre Brasher, who's
now the new Democratic governor in Kentucky, who sent an
incumbent Republican home, and we never endorsed him. What we
did was we went there and showed people this is
how you being. That's something I'm Candy Day didn't though.
A couple of folks cussed us out while we were

(01:54:04):
up there, But so what I got cussed out before.
I'm trying to get twenty five percent. We win if
twenty five percent of poor low waste people that haven't voted,
we might not get seventy five. If I can get
twenty five percent in any state, in any any of
the battleground states, were four, it's six percent of the

(01:54:25):
electric poor low waste four. If I can win twenty
five percent of those who have not voted, it's a
new day. And that's how I think, my friend, we
have to start changing the culture.

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
Thank you all right, Bishop William Barbra, Ah, it was
a pleasure, folks. Pull the graphic up.

Speaker 9 (01:54:41):
Monday, Bishop Barbara will be in Jacksonsissippi for Moral Mondays.
We will be live shitting it right here on the
Black Star Networks.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Thanks a lot, Besier man, y'all forgive me for a
little custing, but it's good for the soul.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
It's right then. Cussing lowers your blood pressure a vision.
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:55:01):
I'm gonna go to a quick break. We'll be right back.
Folks on Rolling Buck folks on the Black Sun Network.

Speaker 8 (01:55:11):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Carr. We
welcome the Black Star Network's very own Roland Martin, who
joins us to talk about his new book, White Fear,
How the Briding of America is making white folks lose
their minds. The book explains so much about what we're
going through in this country right now, and how as

(01:55:32):
white people head toward becoming a racial minority, it's going
to get well, let's just say even more interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
We're going to see more violence, We're going to see more.

Speaker 9 (01:55:44):
Vitriol, because as each day passes, it is a nail
in that coffin.

Speaker 8 (01:55:54):
The one and only Roland Martin on the next Black
table right here on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
Garl Payne pretending to be Ruin Martin.

Speaker 9 (01:56:03):
You ain't got to work black and gold every damn place, okay, ooh,
I'm an out for yay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
All right, you're fifty eight years old.

Speaker 6 (01:56:09):
It's over.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Then.

Speaker 18 (01:56:10):
You are now watching Roland Martin unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and
undamned believable.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
Folks, Before I close the show out, let me shout out.

Speaker 9 (01:56:26):
Keep your prayers for God toy. You just saw him
in that drop. Guy had emergency surgery last night. He
was supposed to be performing. I think in Florida, they
discovered a massive blood clot in his lung and so
I saw his video on Instagram. So keep your prayers
for my man god Tory as he recovers from emergency surgery.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
All right, folks, I am here.

Speaker 9 (01:56:51):
In Westfield, Indiana, just outside of Indianapolis. The Lift Golf
Tours having their tour stop here. My man aj callaway
in biting me to come out for the stop. Now,
you know, he's an omega, but I tolerate omegas. But
he wished he could be an alpha. But great point
average was way too low, way too low. So we
here actually gonna get behind the camera. I'm gonna show y'all.

(01:57:13):
Uh And So obviously the tournament is done for the day,
and the players were out here.

Speaker 4 (01:57:20):
Uh And but it's not just the players out here, folks.

Speaker 9 (01:57:23):
You've got a lot of stuff out here, uh, in
terms of different all sort of for the folks who
don't even play golf. You see, man, it is a gorgeous,
gorgeous sunset. It's a beautiful, beautiful day here in Indianapolis,
or in Westfield. And so round two of the lead
of golf tournament is tomorrow. I'm gonna be out here

(01:57:45):
all day and of course the final round is on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
Uh And so I look forward to be out here.

Speaker 9 (01:57:51):
Check out my social media for a lot of different
posts and things along those lines.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
Will be looking forward to have lots of fun uh this.

Speaker 9 (01:57:59):
You know, y'all know I love golf, and so I've
walked PJ Tour stops. I've gone a place in Houston
and Dallas and you name it, all the different places.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
And the rally is, you know, I love sports.

Speaker 9 (01:58:12):
Now if I can't be playing, I'm watching.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
It's fine.

Speaker 9 (01:58:16):
But the only problem is, like gorge day, like this day,
I probably want to play tomorrow versus watching.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
But we'll be watching.

Speaker 9 (01:58:22):
But again, so I wanted to come out here and
check this out. I've seen it on television. Of course
I follow on social media as well. A number of
players who were the PGA Tour now on the Live Tour,
Brooks Brooks, Koepka, Dustin Johnson, a number of these players,
a League Westwood and I don't have his first name,
but this young kid, Munos Munyos, right, dude shot a

(01:58:44):
fifty nine. For all y'all in golf, we don't understand.
Fifty nine is like almost meeting Jesus Christ. I'm seriously, y'all,
fifty nine is crazy in golf and he was on fire,
So shout out to him. That's the holy grail in golf,
shooting of fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
And so, you know, really looking forward to it. A
new league, a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:59:09):
Different from the PGA Tour, and so looking forward to
seeing some of the folks earlier. Mark Jackson, former NBA
head coach for player with the Houston Rockets. I know
y'all remember from the Knicks, but I don't care. We looking,
but also Indi Indiana Pacers, he was here and some
other folks I had an opportunity to meet to looking
forward to it, and so just check out social media.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
I'll be posting some stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:59:29):
And I'm gonna have a lot of fun out here
walking the course, uh, you know, and getting some steps
in uh and then join all the festivities. And so
I appreciate uh being here and having the invite. Let
me thank our panel for being today. Let me thank
of course, Matt. We think Michael, Matt, you're getting more

(01:59:50):
shout outs because you know you've been shouting everybody out
anything else.

Speaker 18 (01:59:54):
No, but I love that you into your show with
shout outs and you talk about me, so I want
to go ahead and terminate, bro, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
No.

Speaker 9 (02:00:00):
No, first No, first of all, I'm not ending the
show with a shout out. I'm literally describing where I am.
I mean, I'm sure the people at home like, okay,
why is he doing the show from a golf course?

Speaker 4 (02:00:11):
But that's not a shout out. That's me explaining where
I am. That's a difference.

Speaker 16 (02:00:16):
Ain't you just shout out? Do you just shout out
the cat that shout at fifty nine, which, by the way,
is insane. I mean that is that is crazy.

Speaker 9 (02:00:23):
No, I didn't shout out the I didn't shout out
the guy shout out fifty nine. I'm reporting what he did.
That's not a shout out. That's a report. Dude, you're
a lawyer. You don't understand the difference.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (02:00:34):
You did go to that little school in Austin, Texas University,
y'all call it heuros texts.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
And I do understand.

Speaker 9 (02:00:40):
I don't understand why you have no understand Well, oh
you didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
I don't know if you want it, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:00:47):
It's still a Howard brother. It's still a Howard brother.

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
Hey, hey, hey, thank you my brother, thank you, Matt.
It's something.

Speaker 9 (02:00:54):
It's some little school you went to, so I don't care.
I mean University of Texas whatever, how what it's some
little bitty.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
School, right, Roland, I got a quick shout out. They
don't even matter, Roland, I got a quick shout out.

Speaker 9 (02:01:09):
All right, come on, hurry up, hit your shout outs.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
That won the D nine metro detroits.

Speaker 4 (02:01:16):
Oh hell no, hell no, man, tell nobody can't buy
no five mater sigma. Nobody can no five sigma.

Speaker 19 (02:01:22):
They want some shout out to the Sigmas and Zada's
that won that step show.

Speaker 3 (02:01:27):
Okay, here in Michigan, all right, Blue Fox really rolland.

Speaker 9 (02:01:32):
I got you literally do a shout out for a
local You doing a shout out for a local step show?

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
Boy?

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
Bye camera? What you shot?

Speaker 20 (02:01:40):
Rolling rolling in? All serious note, in all serious note,
I'm leaving. I'm leaving here to go to Alabama. My
grandmother was one hundred and two, about to turn one
hundred and three past She was the oldest living ak
Morgan State alum.

Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
She used to love. She loves you loves your show.
She just unfortunate.

Speaker 20 (02:01:58):
I mean she lived a long life, but she she
I just wanted to make sure I shot out Mary
Bell prior Tremble, like I said she was the oldest
living aka oldest Morgan state of lum She almost like
one hundred and two and a half. But I just
wanted to dedicate the show to her. We're headed to
her for her memorial service tomorrow. But and she she

(02:02:19):
will always guide me in text.

Speaker 9 (02:02:20):
When I was on your show, so you said your
grandmother passed away one hundred and two and a half
years old, was a huge watcher of this show.

Speaker 4 (02:02:31):
Please give my regards to the family.

Speaker 9 (02:02:34):
I appreciated her watching and see more than likely she
probably didn't mind me cussing because you know you lived
to one hundred and two years old. That probably meane
you cussed a lot of people out because you kept
your stress levels down. And if Michael and Max he's
trying to get more shout out, I'm gonna start cussing
them out, all right. So again, safe travels to Alabama, Cameron.

(02:02:57):
I appreciated again, and tell get my magrass of the
old family, Matt till everybody what's up in Baton Rouge
and Michael whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
I'm gonna give a damn by no sigmas. All right, y'all,
that's it for me again. I appreciate everything. I'm gonna
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