Deconstructing Trump's town hall lies; COVID Herd mentality? Charlamagne talks Black Effect Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Today is Wednesday, September thousand and twenty, coming up a
roller Martin unfiltered. Oh my lord, last night was live, live,
otella lollapalooza. It was just a lie fast. Last night
was not a ABC town Hall. It was an absolute

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lie fast. It is perfect for our Trump Lives Matter segment.
We're gonna break down all the lives. I think the
only thing that probably was truthful last night was when
they mentioned his name. Also, Donald Trump talked about hurt mentality.
I think he means a hurt immunity. We have an
infectious disease specialist to explain what that means and why

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he's an idiot. Charlemagne God will join us for a
tech talk segments sponsored by Seek Dot Carl to talk
about his Black Effect podcast networking partnership with I Heart Radio. Also,
a crazy as White Man in London got knocked the
hell out, runned up against three brothers. Y'all didn't in
Wail One Punch. Also a new round of a typed

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Trump asked to show you. Plus remember jazz critics Stanley
Couch you passed away and folks, the mayor Rochester bounces
the black police chief because they try to hide information
about the death of the black mentally disturbed man. Will
give those details. And it's time to bring the phone
rolling back and filtered. Let's go whatever on it. Whatever

(01:54):
it is he's he's right on top this rolling best belief.
He's going putting it down. He wants to use to
politics with entertained, the just books. He's strolling, rolling all

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it's roll in Monte rolling with rolling. He's spooky Spress.
She's filled the question though he's rolling Martel. All right,

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all your parents out there, how many of y'all, How
many of y'all have had this look when your kids
start talking? This is a look that you make. You know,
your kids lying their ass off, and they just keep lying,

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And this is how you keep looking. And you're in
your mind you like, at some point of these foods
gonna stop lying. That's exactly how I look last night

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for two hours at the ABC News town hall in
Pennsylvania with Donald Trump rolling, y'all. It took place at
National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, not evenute town hall. Special

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Uncommitted voters had the opportunity to ask Donald Trump. There
are questions on issues ranging from coronavirus pandemic, ecademic recovery protests,
and racial in justice. Okay, so that's what took place.
George Stephanopolis was the moderator. I feel for a man,
George Pephanopolis, because the lives were coming so fast and furious.

(04:12):
I thought Ving Rain was gonna walk in any time.
I thought, uh, the whole cast, Ty Reeves. I thought, uh,
everybody but shell Rod Reguez. I thought they all were
gonna walk in. Because I'm like, um, how much faster
can these lives go? Like, really, can they just keep going?

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So let's just just deconstruct all the lies. Black woman
with a pre existing health condition, as Donald Trump, what
are his plans to protect people like her? Wrote it,
Mr President. I was born with a disease called sarcadosis,

(04:53):
and from the day I was born, I was considered unensurable.
That disease started in my skin, moved to my eyes,
into my optic nerves, and when I went to graduate school,
into my brain. When it hit my brain, I was
automatically eligible for disability for the rest of my life.
I chose instead to get a bachelor's degree, a master's degree,

(05:16):
a pH d, and become a professor. It is great
except I still have similar health care problems. It costs
me with co pays. I'm still paying almost seven thousand
dollars a year in addition to the code pay. And
should pre existing conditions which Obamacare brought into UH brought

(05:37):
to fruition be removed without please stop and let me
finish my question, sir, Should that be removed within a
thirty six to seventy two hour period without my medication,
I will be dead? And I want to know what
it is that you're going to do to assure that
people like me, who work hard, we do everything we're

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so supposed to do, can stay. In short, it's not
my fault that I was born with this disease. It's
not my fault that I'm a black woman, and in
the medical community, I'm minimized and not taken seriously. I
want to know what you are going to do about that. So,
first of all, I hope you are taken seriously. I
hope you are. And we are not going to hurt

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anything having to do with pre existing conditions. We're not
going to hurt pre existing conditions. And in fact, just
the opposite if you look at what they want to
do where they have socialized medicine. They will get rid
of pre existing conditions if they go into Medicare for All,
which is socialized medicine. And you can forget about your
doctors and your plans, just like you could forget under

(06:41):
President Obama. He said, you can have your doctor, you
can have your plan, and that turned out to be
a lie. Obamacare is too expensive, the premiums are too high.
It's a total disaster. You're going to have new healthcare,
and the pre existing condition aspect of it will always
be in my plan. And I've said that loud and clear.
You haven't come up with And we got rid of
the individual mandate, which essentially ended Obamacare, y'all. This food

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actually said that Biden Harris wants to end pre existing conditions, y'all.
That's the most important part of the Affordable Care Act
that Joe Biden was a part of when he was

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Obama's vice president. So highly hell is the guy who
help create the bill now want to end the very
thing that's in the bill. That's a damn lie. That's
a lie. Don't Trump said, we don't. We we we don't
want to. We don't want to get rid of that.
But right now, as George Stepanopolis said, you're at Supreme

(07:53):
Court right now trying to completely get rid of Befordable
Care Act. That that that that's what we said. That
that's what That's what Donald Trump said, y'all um, It's
unbelievable when when you look at what this dude is
doing costly, trying to weaken protection the film port of
Macare Act, wants to get it rid of it completely.

(08:17):
He did not essentially end Obamacare, as he stated before.
The Care Act still exists. It still exists. Trump's also
suggested that Biden agreed to adopt what he calls socialized
health care. Advocate about sender Brine Sanders, No, he didn't.
He actually rejected that roll it. But when you say

(08:41):
that Biden doesn't want to do it, everybody else does.
Bernie does. He agreed to the manifesto, as I call it.
The agreement with Bernie is that you're going to go
to socialist medicine. Ran against you go to socialist medicine. Well,
he agreed. Fact, Biden does endorse the public option to
allow people to opt into a Medicare like government insurance plan.

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But he has not agreed to anything, and he has
spoken against Medicare for All with Senator Bernie Sanders supports Biden.
Sanders went at this to the Democratic primary. So how
in the world has he agreed to something that he
was absolutely against? That lie completely out the window. A

(09:29):
man who voted for Donald Trump and considers himself a conservative,
pro life and diabetic as Trump, why did he throw
vulnerable people under the bus? He felt Trump was doing
a great job at responding to the pandemic until around
May one again Donald Trump lies. He supplied governors, including

(09:52):
to say, with equipment like nobody's ever gotten. We were
shorter un ventilators because the cupboards were there when we
took it over. And we're now making thousands of ventilators
a month, many thousands, and we're sending him. We don't
need him in our country anymore. Not one person that
needed a ventilator didn't get a e ventilator. Everybody got
a ventilator. And they're very fall they're very complex, they're

(10:13):
very hard to make. But we're making out tens of
thousands a month and sending them to other countries who
are in dire need of them. So I feel that
we've done a tremendous job. Actually, Donald Trump claimed that
the cupboard cupboards were empty eventilators we took office is
an absolute lie. There were sixteen thousand ventilators available in

(10:36):
the government stockpile when he took office. A spokesperson for
the Department of Health of Human Services confirmed in late June,
if there have been about nineteen thousand ventilators in the
national stockpile for years, sixteen thousand and sixty eventilators were
ready for immediate use in March, that Folks was absolute lie.

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George Stefanopolis asked Donald Trump if he made the wrong
decision in praising the president of China early on during
the coronavirus pandemic present. I did. We just finished a
trade deal. We just had the largest order of corn
in the history of our country last week, the largest

(11:26):
order of soybeans, largest order of beef. Because they know him,
very unhappy. They know he said he was doing a
good job, and now you're blaming Gina. No, I didn't
say one way or the other. I'm not saying one
way or the other. At the beginning, before anybody knew
what it was, I spoke with President She and he said,
we are doing it well. We are having a under control,
and I was very open with that. He told me

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that it was under control, that everything was, and it
turned out to be not true because it wasn't under control.
It went all over the world countries. So I didn't
say anything bad about President she initially because nobody knew
much about the disease. Nobody knew much about the disease.
That is a damn lie. His own intelligence told him

(12:08):
about it. Donald Trump repeatedly praise China's President. Cinn identified
at least thirty seven separate instances since January where Donald
Trump praise China. Pull it up January. China has been

(12:29):
working very hard to contain the coronavirus. The United States
greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work
out well, in particular on behalf of the American people.
I want to thank President g really, but you said
you didn't you you didn't praise him? That that that
looks like praise. John Bolton said the reason he didn't

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it because he was so desperate to complete the trade deal.
He did not want to criticize China. Don't truck lied again.
Here's the next lie. A young black woman who never
voted before as truck. Why did he downplay the virus?
And he said this, Hi, My question is, um, if

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you believe it's the president's responsibility to protect America, why
would you downplay a pandemic that is known to disproportionately
harm low income families and minority communities. Well, I didn't
downplay it. I actually in many ways I upplayed it.
In terms of action. My action was very strong because

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what I did was with China, I put a ban on.
With Europe, I put a ban on, and we would
have lost thousands of more people had I not put
the ban on. So that was called action, not with
the mouth, but in actual fact. We did a very
very good job when we put that ban on. Whether
you call it allant or luck, it was very important.
So we saved a lot of lives when we did that.

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Joe Biden was talking about in March about it's totally
over exaggerated. So Donald Trump didn't downplay it. Listen to this.
This is what This is an ad from Midas Touch
using the audio of Donald Trump talking to Bob Woodwork

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of the Washington Post, in his own words, downplaying coronavirus.
It goes through air. You just breathe that that's how
it's surpassed. He knew it could cost him fotes. It's
more deadly than your strenuous flues. He knew we could
cost him reading old people. But yeah, it's unable to

(14:49):
put young people. He knew it could cost him popularity.
This is deadly stuff. So Donald Trump hid the truth
about COVID nineteen. It's a little like the regular flu.
If you're healthy, you'll be fine. Children handle it very well.
This is their new hopes. It's going to disappear and
cost more than two hundred thousand people their lives because

(15:15):
it's really working out, and I think we're doing a
really good job. He lied. People died. I wanted to
always play it down. I still like playing it down,
plain and simple. Might as touch as responsible for the
content of this advertisement. I wanted to always play it down.
I am still playing it down. His own words, he lied.

(15:39):
He also lied when he said he had a travel
band from CHILDA and Europe. No he didn't. He restricted travel.
That was never an out right band. Both the restrictions
made exemptions for travel from U S citizens, permanent residents,
many of their families, and some others In addition, no
evidence was found of Joe Bob Biden saying that the

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pandemic was totally overexaggerated. However, Biden did say late February
and early Mark that people should not panic about the virus.
Was also noted by bright Bart News. Then Biden said
that the coronavirus is a serious public health challenge. We're lyned.
George Stephanopolas asked Donald Trump, how do they respond to

(16:22):
the people who were in top military positions who said
he's unfit for office. These are people that I let go.
These are disgrunt old former employees. To put it in
a nice way, with some a term, people would understand,
Maddis was highly overrated general, didn't do the job, didn't
do good on ISIS. I took over a dent of

(16:42):
the ISIS Caliphate. I had the people that I wanted,
and Mattis was fired as you know, byy President Obama,
and I fired him. Also, he says he resigned Trump
didn't fire James Maddis as Defense Secretary. James Mannis resigned
in December because of the different is this in policy
with Trump. In Madison's resignation letter, he said that Trump

(17:05):
deserved a Secretary of Defense whose views were better aligned
with the presidents that that actually happened. So he lied
about that. He lied. A young man who voted for
Donald Trump last election asked, what does he plan to
do about police reform without sacrificing public safety? Listen to this,

(17:28):
the governor frankly, in what happened in Minneapolis was pretty amazing. Unfortunately,
this went on for a week or a week and
a half before he allowed us to bring in the
National Guard. When we brought in the national Guard, everything stopped.
The crime was gone, meaning the whole thing. But by
that time a big portion of the city was burned down.

(17:49):
We're talking about Minneapolis. In Seattle, we let him know
what're coming in. They took over a big chunk of
the city of the city, y'all. That's such a damn lie.
In June, protesters set up a self proclaimed autonomous zone
in Seattle. It covered six blocks, not of the city. Oh.

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Trump taking credit for the National Guard in Minnesota, saying
after a week when you sent him in, no you didn't, helied.
Democratic Governor Tim Waltz activated the National Guard two days
after the protests began. First of all, Donald Trump can't
send in the National Guard unless the governor request The

(18:41):
governor can call him up. Now, it was more than
seven hours before Donald Trump publicly threatened to deploy the
guard himself. When the governor actually deployed the guard. More lies.
Stefanopolis said that he at the top of the economic ladder.

(19:02):
Who owned stocks are doing well? Trump ben said, yes,
stocks are owned by everybody. I mean, you know, if
they talk about the stock market is so good, that's
four oh one case I'm meeting people with as long
as they didn't sell when the market went down where
we first realized the extent of this horrible thing from China.

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I mean, these people are doing some of them are
doing better than they were doing before the pandemic came.
People held onto their stocks. And remember this because I
notice you say wealthy. Sure, wealthy, but you have people
that aren't wealthy but have done well because of the
stock market. Not a lie. Stocks are not all by everybody.

(19:44):
In the poll that on my gallop earlier this year,
fifty of American adults reported owning stock this year. That's
the same percentages last year. Y'all half of the country
if not owned stocks. It's a lie. It's a lie.
Not every person in America has a four one K.
There are a significant number of jobs out there that

(20:05):
have no four one K. That's a lie. A black
pastor who vote for Jill Stein in t S asked
Donald Trump about racial inequalities and when was America ever
great again for black people? Almos the president hood. You've

(20:26):
coined the phrase make America great again? When has America
been great for African Americans in the ghetto of America?
Are you aware how tone deaf that comes off to
African American community. Well, I can say this, we have
tremendous African American support. You've probably seen it in the polls.
We're doing extremely well with African American Hispanic American at

(20:47):
levels that you've rarely seen a Republican have. Uh. If
you talk about make America great, Uh, if you look
at just prior to and I'm talking about for the
black community, you look just prior to this horrible situation
coming in from China, when the virus came in, that
was the probably the highest point homeownership for the Black community, homeownership,

(21:13):
lower crime, the best jobs they've had, highest income, the
best employment numbers they've ever had. If you go back
and you want to look over many years. Stop and
stop it, stop it, stop it. I cannot let just
pause it, pause it. I cannot let this man just lie.
First of all facts, facts, black home ownership dropped to

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fort it's lowest sins. Fact it did go up by January.
Don't Trump say it, Hi is the ever lie. Black

(22:04):
homeownership rate was nearly in two thousand and four. He's lying,
He's lying about black homeownership rate. Those are the facts.
Donald Trump is a liar. Press play that was the

(22:24):
best single moment in the history of the African American
people in this country. I think in stop that was
the best single moment ever in the history of America
for black people. See that. This is where liars lie.

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For Donald Trump, he's defining how great things were for
black people solely based upon the unemployment, which by the way,
was doubled that of white people. But you notice how
he will say before coronavirus, No, no, no, you this look,
this ain't going in the corral. You can't get to say,

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I'm i'm I'm I'm gonna skip over the fish and
I'm gonna get me some chicken, and I'm I'm gonna
skip over the carrots that I'm gonna get me some
some green beans over here. Mm hmm. See, you got
to take all of it. So Donald Trump wants to isolate.
No, no no, no, no, But before coronavirus, what's the black

(23:39):
unemploying rate today? What was it when you became president?
Set that means during your term, the black unemployment rate
has doubled, doubled, doubled. Nice try, but you're no, I

(24:02):
would say, well, I mean your statement is thought make
it great again. So historically, uh, the African American experience,
especially in these out of these ghettos that have been
out a red line. Historically, these ghettos that have systemically
been set up and treated the way that they have been,
the conditions of the drugs, the guns, and everything else
that actually created the symptoms for what we see uh

(24:23):
that you profess to be just the democratic cities and themselves. Uh,
these things have historically been happening for African Americans and
these ghettos, and we have not been seeing a change.
Quite frankly, under your administration, Under the Bombers administration, under
the Bush, under the Clinton, the very same things happened
in the very same systems and cycles continue to continue

(24:44):
to ensue, and we need to see uh because you say,
again we need to see when was that great? Because
that pushes us back to a time in which we
cannot identify with such greatness. And I mean you've said
everything else about choking and everything else with you have
yet to address and acknowledged that there's been a race
problem in America. So if you go, well, I hope

(25:05):
there's not a race problem, I can tell you there's
none with me because I have great respect for all races,
for everybody. This country is great because of it. But
when you go back six months and you take a
look at what was happening, you can't even compare that
with past administrations when you look at income levels and
a lot of things. Because of the job situation where

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they had the lowest income, the best the best unemployment
numbers they've ever had, the black community by far, and
that was solving a lot of problems. And you know
what else was it was bringing people together. I was
starting to get just before this was, you know, we
were having a long run of success. I was starting
to get calls from Democrats that hey, it's starting to work.

(25:46):
Let's get together people that you would never have thought
this would have happened with. There was going to be unity,
but unfortunately that was hurt because we got set back. Now,
I think next year is going to be one of
our best years. You can on but still happen. But
in income equality is higher, so I mean jobs can
be produced. But at the same time, and a lot

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of these big major cities where African Americans are underserved
under resource that's an eight eight doll our job does
not mean that they can't necessarily afford to live where
they have to live, where they've been living after the
last twenty years. Well, the income inequality, which I agree
with you as a problem, I always agreed with it.
But if you look under President Obama and Biden, the
income inequality was phenomenal. It was, it was record setting,

(26:29):
it was it was it's getting worse. Now. Well, we're
talking about a play coming and before the plague we
were doing very well. Now we will soon be doing
well again because we're gonna have a fantastic third quarter.
You're seeing the numbers come in. I think you're gonna
have a g d P that's mid twenties and maybe
much higher. Somebody said thirty five. I don't know that

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these are all records we're talking about, and you're gonna
have a very good economically, You're gonna have a very
good year next year. But I agree with a lot
of the things you say. But you have to look back,
because we really had it going well. Had we not
been hit by this horrible disease that came into our
land and all over the world, by the way, came
all over the world, we would be in a position

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where I think income inequality would be different. It was
really getting there. We were really driving. We have to
move on. But even before the pandemic, the average black
family was earning half of what the average white family
was earning. Even if you hold education gild, I can
only compare to the past, the the African American the

(27:33):
black community was doing better than it had ever done
by far, both in terms of unemployment, home ownership, so
many different statistics, even in terms of there was still
a gap between black and white. I mean there was
a gap, but we were doing a good job. It
was getting better, and then it was artificially shut down
by this disease that came into our land. At Salute

(27:56):
Live top to bottom was getting better? It was loo
Obama did. Did he forget about the financial crisis that
happened under President George W. Bush that Obama and Biden
inherited and had to dig America out of. Oh, I'm
sorry that didn't happen. Oh so, only calamities affect you.

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So you want to have a discussion about what happened
before COVID? Do do we want to talk about the
fact that we'll just discuss it later sev of the
children who have died from COVID and minorities. Do you
want to talk about the disportionate impact of black people
dying being infected due to coronavirus? Oh? Oh, so you

(28:43):
don't want to talk about that? Oh I thought so? Okay.
Trump was asked about the racial injustices and what can
be done to address them. Listen to this well. Mr
President Martin Luther King Jr. Once famously wrote injustice anywhere
is a threat to justice everywhere. In the light of

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the ongoing protests surrounding the deaths of George Floyd, Brianna Taylor,
and the recent shooting of Jacob Jacob Blake, do you
feel racial injustices are occurring in this nation? And If so,
what can be done to address them? Well, I think
they were tragic events, and I do feel that we

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have to also take into consideration that if you look
at our police, they do a phenomenal job. You'll have
people choke. Make me stands not right there, paused whole
they were tragic events. Are doing great forget uh, George Floyd,
move on, move on, I don't, oh, just move on.

(29:49):
The costs are phenomenal, They're awesome, they're fantastic play and
they happen. It happens where they have to make a
fast decision, and some bad things happened, and you also
have bad apples, But you have great people. I know
the police forces very well. I think almost every one
of them. If you look, I've been endorsed by so

(30:10):
many of them, and these are great people. And I
will say this, Uh, if you're gonna stop crying, we
have to give the the respect back to the police
that they deserve. They've done a fantastic job and so
many locations, but then bad things happened. Look at so
just just just damn people have gotten shot. Oh you know,

(30:31):
we gotta get respect back to the cops. You gotta
respect them. We gotta you know, we gotta got show
us low. We gotta give them all the respect. Completely
ignored her question completely. Oh nine, Seeing the cops are great.
It is fantastic. They're amazing. Play New York. New York

(30:53):
was a very safe city, Rudy Giulieti did a fantastic job.
The city was safe. And then all of a sudden,
we have a mayor. He starts cutting the police force,
and crime is up a hundred, a hundred and fifty.
I saw one form of crime up. So I think
it's very important. Whether you talk Seattle where they have
very good police, but they're not allowed to do their job.

(31:14):
You have to allow the police to do their job.
I agree with you. Those events are terrible, but we
have to allow the police to do their job. Otherwise
crime is going to soar. Ah, those events are terrible.
We're gonna cops do their job. Lie after lie after

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lie after lie, after a lot of healthcare lies. I
mean he sat here, George Stephanopolis question about healthcare plan.
I don't know. Huh, I'm sorry, what George? Wait a minute,

(31:57):
you told me a year ago you were going to
be signing one and um, three weeks he then said,
wait a minute. In July, you talk, Chris Wallace, You're
gonna be signing the healthcare bill in two weeks. So
oh no, no, but but George, no, George, George we are, George,

(32:18):
we are, We're gonna be signing one. Hold on, Well,
I'm confused. I'm just confused which which one is it.
I'm just confused with which which one is it? I mean, folks,
we just saw lie after lie. I mean, PolitiFact talked
about four pinocchios. I mean, my god, they went through

(32:40):
this whole deal laying out lie after lot. Me just
bring my panel right now. A Scott Bolting, former chair
a National Bar Association Political Action Committee, Robert Potillo, exact
director Rainbow Push Coalition, Peach Tree Street Project, Labertory of
Burke U n n p A uh, Robert, to start
with you. I mean, I'm just just Robert. I'm just starting, Robert.

(33:02):
I'm just I'm just just crazy. Um. Trump the cases
because of the fact we do much more testing. If
we wouldn't do testing, you wouldn't have cases. You have
very few cases. Oh my god, that's just that's just
put the fact said that that, that's just flat out
lie um, I mean, you know, if I should said
we've done a great job, the whole deal with President

(33:23):
g uh and the whole deal with mask Donald Trump.
Joe Biden said, I was in a phobi because I
put the ban on. I thought that was very unfair.
By the way, he's totally taking that back. Actually Biden
didn't didn't didn't say that. He didn't say that. I mean,
just again, okay, just constant lies. Yesterday it was a
lot fast, go ahead Robert rolling. As I always say,

(33:43):
I think chasing Donald Trump's lies is a quick sonic
voyage at best. Uh, people cared about Donald Trump line
he wouldn't got the last time. So the idea that
somehow trancing down in fact checking every lie that he
tells is going to be uh infective electorals strategy. I
don't know how fit that is going to be, because
while we spend an hour breaking down each and every

(34:05):
sortable what Donald Trump says, I have no idea what
Joe Biden did yesterday. I don't know where he campaigned at.
I don't know. He hasn't come on this show. He
hasn't come on my show. He hasn't done a circuit
of black radio, we haven't seen that those male pieces
they've just started airing as targeted African American African American men.
So while Trump may lie, it gets him on TV

(34:26):
continuously in the news cycle. It's as if Trump is
running against Trump. So when you're running against yourself, that
means you can completely control the narrative and the other
party in the h in the arena just becomes a
junior partner. So I think regardless of what Trump does,
as long as he dominates that news cycle, as long
as he gets that three billion dollars in free media
that he got in twenty sixteen, then this is advantage

(34:48):
of Trump. So what whereas some people are put off
by the lot of other people listen to sound bites
and thirty second bites on their phone that if he
can have a plausible answer, that's all the fat chicking
they're going to do. Some think it's sting that positive
for Trump and actually disagree with Long because the realities
is here. Uh. And again, this is the strategy that
Joe Biden should employ in every single debate. When Trump lies,

(35:10):
he should say that's a lie. I mean lives again,
he should say that's a lie. When he's when he
makes that, he goes another lie. He shouldn't used the
word falsehoods. He shouldn't say malarkey. He should say, right there,
it's a lie, and that's another lie. And that's another lie,
and that's another lie. That is the only way. Okay,

(35:31):
when Donald Trump got checked last night by voters, he
started stumbling and bumbling. That's the only way you have
to call the lies out. Otherwise, if you don't call
out lies, loring and you allow them to stay and
I only discuss your record, then you give the impression
that what he's saying it's true. Well, yeah, that's the

(35:52):
game that he's planned. Donald Trump is well, where the
fact that there's five or six million people watching every
time this happens. Last night it was three point eight million.
So he's playing the game he always plays, which is
he figures a certain percentage of the people watching don't
know that what he's saying is inaccurate. He can get
it out there into the narrative bloodstream. He can just

(36:12):
sort of keep talking and if the anchor, if the
person who is moderating the discussion doesn't step in and
stop him, which unfortunately can't be his opponent, although I
think at the debate we will see that happen. It
requires someone standing there, whether it's a person answering asking
the questions or the journalists monitating debate. It requires somebody

(36:33):
to check him right then and there. We've already seen
in the White House reefing room multiple times that when
he gets checked in real time, he can't withstand that
he's very not good because I'm sure he spends most
of his life with a bunch of yes people around
him and don't don't say anything to him corrective. So
that is the moment that you have to have that
you can kind of loose over and over and over.

(36:54):
But Donald Trump is playing the percentage. He figures I
can just straight out lie, I get it on te
be my supporters here and we understand that you know,
of the electorate is pretty much locked in in almost
any elections that may or may not be on the side.
Is the only group that you're talking to anyway. Uh.
Interestingly enough, he lost the two reality TV shows last

(37:16):
night in the ratings, America's Got Talent and Big Brother,
But he still knows that four million people watching. So
if he just gets it out there, he just says
whatever he wants because he understands that, even though he's lying,
a lot of these clips get replayed again and again
and in his head, in his pr world, that's a win.

(37:36):
Oh here, this is the Scott, this is the project
Lincoln ad They dropped specifically about Dontrump's healthcare plan. What
we're doing is we're going to be doing a healthcare
plan pre existing protecting people with pre existing condition. We're
going to be doing a healthcare plan very strongly and
protect people with pre existing conditions. You are you're arguing

(37:57):
the Training Court right now to strike down that would
do away with pre existing conditions. We can do new healthcare.
Do we run Obamacare well and do a good job
and do the best, even though it's never gonna be
very good. We have run it so much better than
Obama read it. Obamacare was a disaster. Are you said
the health care plan would come in two weeks? You

(38:19):
told Chris Wallace what Scott. I understand Robert and Lawrence point,
but I'm telling you I believe the way you deal
with Donald Trump, your Joe Biden. You say, lie fact,
lie fact, lie fact, here's a deal. You cannot rely

(38:42):
on any moderator. If you're in debate, you can't rely
on any of the moderators to fact check in real time.
You have to be armed with the information yourself. And
this is one of the reasons why I criticized a
lot of these television anchors when they are not fully
prepared in real time for the lie and so the

(39:05):
lie goes out. When I was on CNN, I used
to bust cats all the time because I was always
prepared and I'm gonna go that's a lie. That's a lie.
What you just said is a lie because you gotta
hit him right there. Otherwise, if if you allow the
lot to stay in, the person at home goes well,
when no one said anything, he didn't say anything, and
the whole deal. Let's wait for the fact check after debate. No,

(39:28):
hell no, you gotta hit the lie on the spot. Yeah,
and you gotta hit every lie. It's like putting a
trial together. I'm a trying lawyer litigator, and so one
of the rules of litigation is if someone writes a
brief and misstakes the fact or basically lies in the
oral argument, you check them right then and there, and
you reserve time to do it. But you gotta be

(39:51):
really prepared to cross examine Donald Trump, because the best
interviews are when he gets checked right, then he goes
into la la lam. I disagree with Robert on this.
We're not chasing his lies, we're checking his live and
while that of his voting UH support is going to
support him no matter what. There are a lot of undecided,

(40:14):
their independence, their suburban women. There are Democrats, their Lincoln
Republicans who listen to this nonsense and even rejected, especially
on COVID, because everyone has a friend or family member
that's been affected by this, whether it's economically or or
health wise. And so when he lies about COVID, he

(40:37):
drives a narrative not of telling the truth, but he
drives a narrative of lying about it and waiting seventy
days to address it, and then the repercussions of the
results that his lives have turned deadly. Now that is
such a powerful message to the average voter because we've
all been affected by it. He cannot out from he's

(41:00):
fact and these lives that he's put on the table.
And I think this election is a bottom line proposition
on how he handled COVID, how he lied about it,
and how it's affected his decision. His decision have affected
us not only health wise, life and death as well
as economically. So whatever he says pre COVID that came

(41:23):
in from Asia, we're dealing with is America and how
he's handled it, how he's managed it, and he gets
a failing great and whether he fails now in our minds,
but at the ballot box, that failure is going to
show up. It's got to because it's dominated each of
our lives in different but very powerful way. The reason

(41:45):
and again, first of all, we we know he is
going to live with impty. We know he is going
to make stuff up. We know he is going to
take credit for any number of things. But this is
one of This is one of those moments are you
have to be willing to punch him in the face
at every turn, and when you see Robert body can

(42:07):
hit him, say that's a lie, here's fact, and this
is what I'm gonna do as president. You have to
do that. But if you are relying on a third
party to do it, you're gonna miss the opportunity. And
let me tell you something right now, if if he
hits him, if Donald Trump lies twenty times in the debate.
I don't care who you are. If you're sitting there

(42:28):
watching it and you're like, damn, he's he's hitting that.
Lie lie lie, lie, you are you are, you're you
are diminishing the person, and then and then and then
you say no, no, you're gonna stand here, You're gonna
tell the truth. You're gonna tell the truth. Then, if
I'm Joe Biden, I'm saying, did you inherit an economy

(42:50):
from me and Barack Obama that was on up screen?
Yes or no? See to me, you've got to be
aggressive with it. I think in Hillary Clinton short of
was too no, no, no. You can't leave anyving the
chance with a brutal thug. That's right, you're ready to
go ahead, Robert Rolling. I would love to be as

(43:13):
young and idealistic as you are and have that much
faith in the American people. But we've had a game
show host for president for the last four years, and
I think what look McDonald's doesn't make good hamburgers. Hamburgers
are nasty unless they want to advertise on the show,
in which case they're delicious. But the hamburgers ain't good.
So instead of making the hamburgers good. They put a
billion dollars in the commercials to make you think that

(43:33):
the hamburger tastes good, and then your kids fight you
to go eat those hamburgers. That is exactly what Donald
Trump does. It doesn't matter about the product, doesn't matter
what comes out of his mouth. He's calling the Fox
and Friends once a week now just to make sure
that he's always on. He's doing nobody, but he's doing
that because he knows that won't be pushed back. The

(43:54):
reality is this here. Every time he's had pushed back,
he begins to stumble and bumble. So what I'm arguing
is you can't allow the lie to go on interrupted.
You gotta put him on the defense. And the best
way to say, lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie Lie. Look,

(44:17):
we offered, we called Paris then Dard to come on
today's show. His ass said no. Why do you think
his ass said no? Because I want to hit his
ass with lie, Lie, Lie Lie. That's the reason why
Bruce Lavelle won't come on this show. Oh he'll run
the scene in because he's seeing in they're gonna hit
his ass like I'm gonna hit him. He'll run the

(44:39):
Fox boom, lie lie Lie. Ashley Bell not gonna come
here because I'm gonna hear his ask with lie lie.
They don't want to be forced to defend lies, So
the best way is don't even come on. And I'm
just saying. I'm just saying, Lauren, I'm telling you Democrats
better be real aggressive in those three debates. And at

(45:02):
every turn if your soft shoe and trying to do
a cute little dance, no, that is how you deal
with thugs. You gotta bust a bully in his mouth. Well,
I do think you can probably count on Jill Biden
to be impressive. What kind of messes it up? A
little bit of force? Is the format of these so
called debates. A lot of them involve a toss back

(45:25):
and forth from the anchor to Canada. Canada backs and anchor.
You gotta screw the rules. You gotta screw the rules.
He Trump ain't gonna buy by the rules. I'm telling you,
when when? When? When is his turn? He lied? That's
what you do. Lie? He lie? We lie in lie?
Sir please interrupting here? Wait uh sir, please don't interrupt.

(45:48):
Tell him stop lying. That's just how you gotta go right, Yeah,
well that I think actually is what Biden is probably
likely to do, and we know, we know Harris is
gonna do it. You can't have twenty million people sitting
watching that and have it go unchecked. Frankly, when I
looked at moderate is, I know Chris Wallace is certainly
not gonna let it happen because his entire style is

(46:10):
based on checking people when something stupid is said. And
Chris Wallace has absolutely no problem stopping the entire production
to do that. But you gotta have people who assertive.
It can't be Nora O'donald Gayle King, it can't be
infotainment anchors, it can't be any of that stuff. And
it doesn't have to be an opponent standing there and

(46:31):
checks in. But the game, you know, all the people
who mentioned uh that that can't go on a show
where they get fact checked. That's the name of the game.
That is a pr strategy. Wos somebody platform to lie on,
so we use somebody else's platform. Liar is a strategy
and Republicans do it all the time. Again, all I'm
saying is this here this look, do I think Senator

(46:54):
Harris is gonna do it? Oh? Yeah, not not. No,
the difference is here, Mike Pence is a smoother opera
rather than Donald Trump. Mike pants is gonna talk in
that very nice, easy going Midwestern manor, and he's gonna
sit here. He's not gonna be asked combative the best opponent.
Look at somebody who has done this for years. I'm

(47:14):
gonna tell you right now, that's why I look. I
destroyed Glenn Beck so bad on CNN. I wish I
wish I had access to the CNN video library so
I could show y'all I destroyed Glenn Beck so bad
Glenn Beck, uh said uh. The next day after the debate,
Sam fire Stu was down to watch d C directed

(47:36):
he came running out, that was great, yo. Glenn Beck
was like, oh, hell no. They try to get me
and Glenn back to debate the next day. Glenn Beck
said no, he wasn't available all day. Then Glenn Beck said,
for damn that, I ain't going on CNN against nobody.
I will only go on if it's by myself and

(47:56):
Wolf because he could not withstand in the heat and
I was smacking the ship out of him Scott and
he couldn't handle it, and he was like, yo, I
ain't never debating him again. That's why you never saw
me on Beck show. He never came back because the
moment he's like he said something, I started laughing, and
he remember, he took my hand. He said, I'm let

(48:19):
you so dimissive. He said, I'm let you so dismissive.
I said, now go ahead and finish your point. I'm
gonna deal with you in a second. Well, we don't
have the video, but I can guarantee you I go
back to the litigation scenario and across examination. If you
had Donald Trump on the witness stand right and you
cross examining, you can't get it into this philosophical policy debate.

(48:40):
You have to keep your questions short, to the point,
and it responds to this questions. But most importantly, you
gotta be very well prepared. You don't have to memorize
the fact. You have to know the fact, no trying.
And as soon as he starts lying, you you checking
short direct our statement of either denial or that you're lying,

(49:03):
and quickly why you're lying. These you said, X, Y,
and Z. And that's how you control a witness in
the courtroom or in a deposition. You gotta do the
same thing if you're Joe Biden, because if you don't,
then you let the narrative run its course. You gotta
control the narrative with him and never let him go,
never let him get control of And that's why, and
that's why, Robert, I hear you when you talk about

(49:26):
your policies and what you want to do with the
reality is we know this election is pretty much set.
What you have to do is you have to be
in a constant state of exposing and not and see again,
Democrats want to give paragraphs. Republicans operated by bumper stickers.
And this is why, this is where it has to

(49:46):
be quick fireback and I think again. And this is
also where Robert, if you're Joe Biden, you gotta say,
Donald Trump, you lie to those people in the Midwest,
You lie there people in Indiana. What happened to those
carrier jobs you promise and went back to Mexico? What
happened to these jobs you lied about that. You gotta
reinforce the narrative otherwise you're gonna sit here and be

(50:07):
playing his game because he wants you to get in
the back and forth. No, no, no, no, You've got
the gut. You got the gut his ass. And every
time I want to talk about this other thing that
happened in the debate, y'all where Donald Trump brought up,
just play the audio, y'all. This this lord, the herd,
the herd, the herd, y'all had a video. Miss Watch this, y'all.

(50:30):
Watch this, and it's is going away, and it's probably
gonna go away now a lot faster because of the vaccine.
It would go away without the vaccine, George, but it's
going to go away a lot faster would go away
without the vaccine. Sure, over a period of time. Sure,
with time it goes. Any deaths, and you'll develop, you'll
develop her like a herd mentality. It's gonna be it's
gonna be herd developed, and that's gonna happen. That will

(50:52):
all happen. But with the vaccine, I think it will
go away very quickly. Got to take a quick but
I really believe we're rounding the corner. And I believe
that's as you know. Dr Facci disagrees with that. Well,
I mean, but a lot of people do just do
agree with me. That's what you're asked him. So so um,

(51:12):
let me bring up doctor Alexeia Gaffney and infectious disease
expert doc doc Um. This fool just saying even with
the vaccine, it's just gonna go away. Viruses just don't

(51:33):
just go away. No, they don't rolland UM, I mean,
if you're gonna jump out of your lane, at least
speak the right language. It's not heard mentality of herd immunity.
And it would take for at least sev of the
United States population. You're talking about two hundred million people

(51:55):
to become naturally interacted with COVID or vaccinated and order
for us to gain or develop herd immunity. But the
problem is is talking about natural herd immunity means that
you're just willing to risk more than the approaching two
hundred thousand American lives we've already lost in order to

(52:19):
achieved herd immunity. I want to go away. I want
you to hold a point. That was a guy he's
seen a tweet out, um and he let me let
me switch. I want to show this, y'all, and I
just want to get your thoughts on this, because on
this whole notion of herd immunity. Um, this is what
he hopefully I can show it this gout. Kyle Felster,

(52:43):
Kyle is a he's a breaking news editor at at CNN.
This is what he said. They approximately three point two
million people in the United States. To get the low
end of her immunity, about six of the population must
catch COVID. That's about one thousand nine cases. The current

(53:09):
US death rate is about two point nine six. So
that means in order to achieve her immunity, we would
have to accept five million, eight hundred and thirty six thousand,
six hundred and seventy nine deaths. Unacceptable. So so it's

(53:29):
is that calculation correct that we would have to to
accept her immunity, we will also have to accept not
just the COVID infections, but the COVID deaths that come
from her immunity. And that's a conservative number, you know,
eight million. I'm calling it conservative because if you had

(53:53):
that many deaths, imagine how many people are going to
require hospitalization. We didn't see peak numbers of COVID all
over the United States at the exact same time, but
where we have hot spots and EPI centers, our health
systems were overwhelmed. If we'd stop everything we don't do
anything to prevent the spread of the virus in a

(54:16):
ridiculous attempt to achieve natural herd immunity, we will completely
overwhelm our health care systems and we will lose even
more American people as a result of this virus, way
more than that number is predicting, because that number is
based on perfect circumstances, being able to treat those that
need to be hospitalized, being able to give everyone who

(54:39):
needs a critical care, And we already saw what could
happen when our systems become overwhelmed. That is not something
that we want to see happening nationwide simultaneously. Um, this
is so. First of all, just just explain is her immunity.
There are a number of people who keep saying that's

(54:59):
the only way we can do this. They also are
suggesting that if you do her immunity, that once you
get it, you can't get it again. That's that's not true. Now,
it's not true that once you get the virus you
can't get it again. Probably a small proportion of people
who have been infected will get reinfected. But the reality
is we don't know. This is our first time dealing

(55:21):
with COVID nineteen. It's a brand new infection even though
we are eight months in in terms of our knowledge
of this virus, but there's still a lot to learn
as things progress and evolved. So the concept of herd
immunity is that if the majority of your population is
immune to an infection that is communicable or contagious from

(55:44):
person to person um, whether that immunity comes naturally or
whether that immunity comes via a vaccination, then you protect
the overall population or community or herd because with less
and less individuals susceptible to the infection, then the people

(56:07):
who haven't been vaccinated and the people who haven't had
the infection are protected because you stop the spread or
propagation of the infection. So that number needs to be
around sev But we already talked about how many lives
would be at stake if we allow two hundred plus
million Americans to become sick with this infection. So we

(56:31):
need to continue our social distancing. We need to continue
to isolate, We need to continue to wear our masks,
We need to continue hand hygiene, We need to continue
to avoid large crowds. Everything that we have been doing
up until now needs to continue, and it will need
to continue even when we have a vaccine available for

(56:54):
some time. I gotta I gotta ask you about this. Here.
The CDC director Robert Redfield testified today about the importance
of mask. This is what he had to say, so
far as to say that this face mask is more
guaranteed to protect me against COVID that when I take
a COVID vaccine, because the imagogenicity maybe and if I

(57:17):
don't get an immune response to vaccine is not going
to protect me. This face mask will. I might even
go your thoughts about that what you just said, Yeah,
so it's a mask better than a vaccine. Of comparing
apples to oranges. Um, you know, we still will need
to continue to take the isolation and social distance precautions

(57:41):
even when people begin to get vaccinated, because the reality
is that not everyone is going to get vaccinated, and
there's no such thing as the perfect vaccine. So if
you're talking about only a particular proportion of the population
getting vaccinated and then the vaccine having efficacy or protecting

(58:03):
the people who receive it, there's still some significant gaps
that we need to keep in mind, and so we
will still need to continue to wear our math. Nothing
in this pandemic situation is a get out of jail
free card. So we really just have to be vigilant,
and we have to let this thing in a sense
run its force, but not run a court run its force,

(58:26):
like take off your mask, don't do what you will,
return back to life and and see where the cards fall.
That's not what we're talking about here. It really needs
to be a mass effort, and it needs to be
a concerted effort. Everybody needs to be doing the same
thing to protect themselves as well as protect one another
from the spread of this infection. I gotta ask you

(58:47):
this year, what do you make of the CDC director
saying a vaccine is not going to be ready for
the American public until Donald Trump as a news conference
that comes down and says, oh no, he was mistaken.
The CDC director was mistaken. Is be ready in am
off or show? Yeah. So the vaccine trials are still underway,

(59:07):
and my understanding of what these vaccine companies are doing
concurrent with studying these drugs, they are producing doses of
the vaccine that is atypical. Typically a vaccine is studied,
it is checked for efficacy, meaning does it cause an
immune response? Does it protect the people who received it?

(59:28):
It's checked for safety, right. Do people have bad side effects?
Are they terrible side effects? Are they side effects that
we can accept? Like, what's the risk versus the benefit
of receiving the vaccine? And if the benefit far outweighs
the risk and you're not endangering people by giving the vaccine,
then you go into production. Now the vaccines are starting

(59:52):
to be produced, starting to be produced, but you will
need billions and billions of doses of this vaccine to
protect the population worldwide. And it takes months to produce
a vaccine, even when the studies are successful and tell
you that the vaccines work. So he's really speaking live,

(01:00:16):
I mean, just staying on the path that you're on. Live.
You know, he's saying things that are not scientifically possible. Um,
But that's what happens when you jump out of your lane.
He needs to let the experts speak, um, so that
we can receive the truth and so that people continue
to do the right thing. Giving people false hope, telling
people to let their far down. Um. You know, making

(01:00:39):
light of the situation is dangerous and we are seeing
the consequences of this over and over and over again. Well,
the expert did speak, but then he's contributing the experts,
and that's part of the problem of doc. So i'd
appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us,
Thanks for having me on. All right, then, Robert, Robert,
you asked, you don't know what Joe Biden is doing.
Joe Biden did speak about the issue of vaccines today. Uh.

(01:01:00):
This is what he had to say in his news
conference with seven our nation's top public health experts on
the state of the pandemic, the steps we need to
curb the spread of the virus, and the challenges are
distributing a safe and effective vaccine once one is identified.

(01:01:22):
Before I turn to those issues, let me say a
few words about the president's comments last night. Even before
acknowledging to Bob Woodward on tape that he was fully
informed on the gravity of the danger related to COVID nineteen,
he refused to warn the American people. Again last night
in television town hall, the President revealed in no uncertain

(01:01:47):
terms the lack of seriousness with which with he continues
to take this pandemic. Nearly eight months after this crisis,
on the doorstep of two hundred thousand American President Trump
was refused once again to take responsibility or to take action.
By his own admission, he continued to lie about COVID ninety,

(01:02:10):
he doubled down on the catastrophic mistakes that he's made,
and perhaps worst of all, he made clear that he
still doesn't have a plan to bring us out of
this crisis. Even said night quote, a lot of people
think that masks are not good undercutting the easiest, most
effective means we have for reducing the spread of this disease.

(01:02:32):
This virus is still taking nearly a thousand lives a day.
The forecast show that those numbers are likely to climb
this winner. But incredibly, Donald Trump insists that he wouldn't
have done anything differently, not one thing. Last Friday, we
learned that another one of the thousands of Americans died
due to this virus, and it continues to rise. And

(01:02:55):
the very same day that we reported a thousand deaths
on Friday, and the very same day Canada reported that
not one person died of COVID nineteen in Canada. Trump
wouldn't have done anything differently. If you're a parent in
America preparing for another day, that your child can attend school,

(01:03:16):
if you're grieving the loss of a son or daughter,
a mother, a father, husband or wife. If you're a
small business owner who's on the brink of total bankrupts,
who can't open or can't go back to work because
the virus still spreading your community, how does it make
you feel to the presidents say he wouldn't have done

(01:03:38):
anything differently, and if he gets four more years, why
should we expect anything to change? All President had to
offer last night, President Trump was the same weak and
feckless in action, the same lines and empty promises that
we've seen from the very beginning. He still won't accept

(01:03:58):
any responsibility, he still won't offer a plan, and last
night he repeated what he said so many times before
that even if he continues to offer only failing indifference,
someday the virus is going to go away by America.
Even if he does nothing, it's going to go away
by America. It won't go away like America. In fact,

(01:04:24):
even if it gets able to get a vaccine will
not be available for most populations are well into the one,
you know, So we're heading into a very dangerous autumn.
The fact that the University of Washington model, which the
White House has previously touted, projects that cases and deaths

(01:04:45):
are going to spike this November, and an additional by
two hundred and fifteen thousand Americans. They say you're going
to die. Began the spike in November, but by the
first of the year, thousand will be dead. That's more
than already done. We need leadership right now to prevent
that from happening. The same University of model shows, the

(01:05:09):
University of Worston model shows that if if there's universal masking,
these desks could be projected, that could be cut in half.
We could say, hard folks. Forty seven days until the election.
Early voting is starting. People already casting ballots. Balats were
sent out in North Carolina. UH. We're seeing it happen.

(01:05:30):
Joe Biden and UH Senator Kamla Harris stepping up their events.
Biden to spend time in Florida. He's trying to show
short of support there when it comes to Latino voters.
New polls out also, um Scott, I'll start with you first,
showing that Joe Biden is doing better among non among
white voters, especially even non college non UH college educated

(01:05:54):
white voters. UM happening there as well, one of the
reasons why he's leading and polling there, and was in
Pennsylvania and Michigan as well. And so it's very interesting
when you start looking at these various numbers. Also polling
coming out showing the Senate candidate in Maine or a
twelve point lead over Susan Collins. Democrats are leading in Arizona,
leading in North Carolina, also tight race in Montana. The

(01:06:18):
reality is that Democrats could very well get control of
the United States Senate. Why is it important? Just today
Mitch McConnell is pushed through six more federal judges, eight
federal judges this week. Dald Trump last night said they
hope to hit three hundred by the end of the year. UH.
And so this is where the rubber meets the road.

(01:06:39):
Now when it comes to UH driving turnout, that is
going to be the difference. It's gonna come down to
how many people on your side gets turned out versus
the other side. And and those who believe that the
anti Trump UH effort or initiative or excitement isn't enough
to win. You just ran through some numbers forty seven

(01:07:01):
days out where in North Carolina and in Maine and
other Republican strongholds that that there's a lead to be
had there. Not only is Donald Trump losing because of
his lies and because of COVID, but it's spreading to
Senate races and House races, which is really important. Federal

(01:07:23):
judges and most of them younger than competent. Uh, it's
gonna mean generations of bad decision making or at least
influence in the judiciary. It is incredible, which means that
we need a new Senate majority. And the only way
we're gonna get that is to win that Senate. We've
got to remain competitive in Georgia and North Carolina and Arizona.

(01:07:47):
But you're right, it's a ground game. If we got
a ground game and to get out the vote effort,
not just registration, but if you're an average voter and
you want to do something because you care about the
future of this county read and that this is a
consequential election, then instead of you going to the polls,
don't go along, take three, four or five people, go

(01:08:08):
back several times and take people to the polls to vote,
because it's the only way you can ensure that we
win this election, because we're not just running against Donald
Trump and the GOP. And I've written about this and
I've said it on this show. You're running against Russian interference,
you're running against the GOP and Donald Trump, and you're
also running against voter suppression. And so we can't take

(01:08:31):
anything for Brandon. I don't care what the polls show.
I don't want to read another poll. All I wanna
do is win the uh read the results on the
evening of open a third or the two or three
or four or five days afterwards, because we gotta have
a clean race and a big win because if it's closed,
Donald Trump is not gonna go quiet. And I've said

(01:08:51):
that for the last four years. He's not going quietly.
And he doesn't care about the constitutional crisis. He doesn't
care about what the military says or does. Stroy winning
the Senate in the House is really important too, because
you won't have the Senate to backstop is nonsense about
voter fraud and mail in fraud and what have you.
So there's a lot on the line here, but but

(01:09:12):
the and so we have to be vigilant and take
people to the polls and ignore whatever the polling says
right now, Robert, when we talk about what's happening, the
Democrats in Michigan are concerned because the Biden campaign is
not doing door knocking. Republicans are They say that the
Biden campaign, they say, uh, they are using text message,
they're using phone calls. Generalmalley said they've reached out to

(01:09:33):
some uh two point six million folks there as well.
This is just a different election. The reality is everything
that you thought beforehand, how you supposed to do it
goes out of the window. The Biden campaign is concerned
about people contracting coronavirus. Uh, those things along those lines.
What do you make of again? These these this fear

(01:09:53):
of Democrats. They could lose Michigan again by having Trump
signs all over the place and not seeing enough Joe Biden.
The signs are people wearing the gear. I mean, it's
just it's one of those things that you gotta make
a call in terms of how you're gonna do it.
And then coronavirus is a real fear. Well, you know
that's how I cut my teeth and follow tip doing
grass roots and this sears knocking on doors. Um, you know,

(01:10:15):
grassroots campaigning Field director for State ride wide campaign when
I'm thinking about twenty two, so I very much feel
that you have to do that in person touch for campaigns.
Test messages are one thing, uh emails are are are
one thing, but you have to have that personal person connection.
And frankly, right now Democrats are fighting this fight with

(01:10:36):
one hand tied behind their back because while there are,
while they're following all the rules, you're doing all the
public safety protocols, no large rallies, making sure to wear masks,
socially distancing, all the uh no in person voting, voter content,
no field game. Donald Trump is not playing by those
same rules. So right now you are fighting with one
hand tied behind your back, completely seeding the entire ground

(01:10:58):
game through Donald Trump out of precaution. And we're forty
seven days out and right now the you know the
just like in boxing, the tie goes to the aggressor,
and it seems like Donald Trump is the aggressor in
this election for a more aggressive ground game. They're more
aggressive grassroots campaigning, a more aggressive media strategy. Even the
clip you paid a Biden with just Biden talking about Trump,

(01:11:18):
the election is completely about Trump and that and the
tie goes to the puncher, Donald Trump the puncher in
this case, Lauren. If we talk about what's going on again,
when you look at how people are responding to this election, Uh,
University of Georgia is amazing. How they're perfectly fine with football,
but they won't have an early voting location on the

(01:11:38):
University of Georgia campus. Uh. Wow, I wonder why I
keep telling people These Republicans don't like all of these
college students, white college students who are voting Democrat. That's
sort of the game that they've been playing. Uh. This
here was the statement uh they sent out today due
to the concerns about long voting lines and insufficient indoor
space required to maintain social distancing is necessitated by the

(01:12:02):
COVID nineteen pandemic. University determined earlier this summer if there
will be no on campus voting site at the Tate
Center this fall. Those comparing this man to a football
game should be able to recognize that football games we
played outdoors, but will but we will still require social
distancing by substantially reducing capacity in the stadium. We have

(01:12:22):
eliminated tailgating as well, due to a desire to keep
the campus as safe as possible and limit visitors during
the pandemic. Students will still be able to vote at
other locations, including one in downtown Athens, to which the
university will provide a shuttle service for student voters. But
I don't understand, lawn is you gotta damn basketball arena
that not big enough to have an early voting location.
Hell have you're gonna early voting location? This football steam

(01:12:45):
is not going to be open every single week. Let
them vote inside the stadium. Well, obviously everybody knows the
game in Georgia. Uh, having obviously we saw in the
Effective Group being stolen. Uh, there's a Senate seat that
is in contention in Georgia as well. Uh. They're not

(01:13:05):
even really hiding it or trying to feign what they're
actually doing. It's just right in your face right there
for everybody to see. The problem for Donald Trump and
the Republicans on the map at large, though, is that
I'm not seeing where Donald Trump wins states like Pennsylvania
and Wisconsin and Michigan. You know, maybe he wins Florida, Okay,

(01:13:30):
but if you look at the map, I would be
very shocked. You know, we have to remember that that
and obviously respect the electoral college and all that. You
have to remember that Hillary Clinton barely barely they lost
because they didn't listen to anybody who regard to Wisconsin
and Michigan, and she got more than you know, two
on two point eight million, but of course you still lost.

(01:13:51):
I would be shocked at Botton was was not able
to at least duplicate those numbers, and he should be
able to surpass them. I thought Robert has made a
good point that rambling thing that we just saw with
Biden just sort of talking on and on and making
Trump the narrative is playing on defense and not offense.
There is some logics to this idea that I should

(01:14:11):
just sort of check out and watch and and and
understand the fact that that this is all a referendum
on Donald Trump. Yeah, you can play that to some extent.
And I understand that play because two hundred thousand people
were about to have two hundred thousand people dead of COVID,
you know, and of course, to say nothing of the
millions forty over forty million employed. One would think that

(01:14:32):
this entire thing, of course would be a random on Trump.
But you know, uh, to the point before I actually
think that Trump is gonna make a scene, whether he
loses big or not, whether it's close or not, he's
gonna try to pretend that it was stolen and he's
gonna try to throw that up into question. I don't
think that. I really think the proponent's gonna lose the scent.
We see a few races, obviously Colorado and Maine where

(01:14:56):
it's kind of they're down by a lot the incumbents,
the Republican incumbents, and uh, I think that's gonna play
a big role in the discussion right after the election.
But this entire strategy answer switched early voting and mail
in ballots and uh. And they are showing actually text
messaging has an open rate. So text messaging is a
big deal this particular cycle, given COVID. But Democrats do

(01:15:21):
have to get serious and figure out they're doing k
not strategy because that that they can't just kiss that goodbye.
So it will be interesting to see what people do.
But they are getting to just gonna worry me because
I'm hearing some things that I heard back and when
we had Hillary running, uh, and that that is worrising um.

(01:15:41):
One of the things that Ohio Supreme Court. They ruled
uh that the Secretary of State cannot limit Countae to
only having one mail drop box. Republicans have been attacking
one of the Democratic judges, Scott. This is this is
unheard of. The Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice, a Republican

(01:16:03):
is blasting the state Republicans for their attack on that judge.
Judge Chief Justice Marine O'Connor or the Supreme Court of Ohio.
I condemned and the strongest possible terms both the statement
released by the Ohio Republican Party on September fifty and
it's unsigned authors. The statement disparages the integrity of Franklin

(01:16:24):
County Common Pleas Judge Richard Fry. The publication accuses Judge
Fry of colluding with the Ohio Democratic Party and labels
him a partisan judge. Every one of Ohio seven judges,
hundred magistrates, and numerous active retired judges should be greatly
concerned and voice their dismay at the irresponsible Republican Party
allegation that politics control the judge's decision. This is a

(01:16:48):
blatant and unfounded attack on the independence of the how judiciary.
Republicans again are masters at voter suppression. They don't want
additional mail drop boxes. And this is how they weaponize
secretaries of state. We saw with Brian Kemp in Ohio.
We saw excuse me, in Georgia. We previously saw it
when Ken Blackwell was Secretaria State in Ohio. Course, we

(01:17:09):
can't go all the way back to two thousand, Katherine
Harris in Florida and numerous other states. This these are
the games they play in order to try to cheat
to win. Yeah. But but but the accusations against the judiciary,
I'm not surprised, even though we have elected judges and
was Republican Chief Judge of the Supreme Court in Ohio.

(01:17:29):
The judiciary has got to remain independent and habits integrity.
And so this is the strongest statement the chief Judge
could make. Damn the politics that will and he's absolutely
right about that. Uh. This is the the Republicans efforts
to legalize voter suppression. We've talked about their efforts in
North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and even in Ohio.

(01:17:55):
There's Ohio is such an important swing state and in
the heart of America, you've got to come out against that. Uh.
What what's amazing to me is that there's not more
outraged from Republicans and Democrats because about the Republicans who
want fewer people to vote, then an expanded voter population

(01:18:17):
that makes all the sense in the world, is such
a fundamental constitutional right. You actually have a political party,
an important one, a big one, and one of the
two major parties who actually want fewer people to vote
because their ideas are not that popular. Is anti American,
it's anti constitution. And yet that is the premise of

(01:18:40):
the Republican Party. All of us should be outraged with that,
all of us. But the reality is is here they're
gonna do what they do. Robert and I keep saying
this here, you gotta go with with the scene and
remember the Titans. You gotta leave no doubt. You have
to bury every Republican in every state. You must bury
them with a wide margin. Not I'm not talking winning

(01:19:03):
by ten fifty thousand, even a hundred thousand. I'm talking
about you trying to run up the score. You gotta
run up the score in North Carolina, in Georgia, you
gotta run up the score, uh, in a Florida, in
Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan. And if you're the Biden campaign,
Biden Harris campaign. You're gonna be aggressive as hell. You're

(01:19:23):
gonna be putting money on the streets, You're gonna be
pushing every get out to vote group as well, because
you have to leave no doubt because the Trump and
the Republican Party are going to try if it's close,
they're gonna try to do what they did in Florida
in two thousand to throw out ten fifty a hundred thousand,
as many thousands, many as many ballots as possible in

(01:19:46):
order for them to steal a victory. You're you're completely correct.
And remember we have two Senate seats up for grab
grabs here in uh in Georgia for Pastor Warnock running
for one and John also Off running from the other.
And part of what we were think Democrats make a
mistake is they still have this idea that they're going
to get their voters back those nineteen sixties to nineteen

(01:20:07):
eighties Democratic voters and the truck drivers, the rust belt voters,
the working class white voters. And at the same time,
you look at the state like Georgia, where you have
a thirty five percent African American population, tend to twelve
percent of the Hispanic population. Three percent of the state
is female, one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the country.
Get those people to vote instead of trying to get

(01:20:27):
those rednets and Brunswick to come back to the Democratic
Party on economic anxiety issues. Campaign to the people who
who will vote for you that remember Donald Trump won
state city? Yeah yeah, Donald Trump won states that include
cities like New Orleans, Houston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary, Indiana, noldier

(01:20:47):
states that Donald Trump won Charlotte, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia, Miami.
Because you're not motivating your your people who are in
these urban areas to turn out in record numbers. If
Hillary had got in Obama twelve numbers, you would have won.
If Biden gets Obama twelve uh minority turn up numbers,
he will win. But they're not putting that that working.

(01:21:08):
And as I said, I have not seen Joe Biden
sit down on this show of Rolling Martin to talk
about what he wants to do for the black community.
But let's go all right, wait, wait, wait, let's be
clear all up. One second invitation is in not only
for Biden as well as for Harris as well. We're
trying to trying to lock that down. So that is

(01:21:29):
that is happening. I got I gotta, I gotta throw
this out first. First of all, y'all know what time
it is. I haven't done this in a while. Y'all
go ahead and roll. It's crazy witally going water on
my property property all y'all white boy in London after

(01:21:59):
the ass on the subway? Check what check what happened?
Jump pick kick his hat in fences. You have a
lot of idiom stuff, radioso stuff, probably the medio stuff

(01:22:21):
for the row with the years. Yes, trying to show
what the shower the chowering is not medio stuff. What

(01:22:52):
the first By the way, he's some cooking thing. Yeah,
you're lucky I have. I'm gonna be paid for it today.
Frost all of my book because fire and the current

(01:23:21):
use to you heart o back, you know it's out.
You go, NEAs. What's your name? Do you all? Honey?
Short today? Short today? What shore? I wanted? I tell

(01:23:45):
you you black? You're black? Like, oh my god? Yeah,
it's the Harry with anything? What is anything? Shut up?
This fun ups up? You know what you want? I

(01:24:34):
think I think he's I think he's still sleep I
think I think, he said Lauren, I keep I'm telling you,
I'm telling you these people at the food I mean
one punch and the brothers were like, say bro, say bro, okay,
we're done. Yeah. Uh said again Lauren said ag in,

(01:25:01):
I said it was a UK version of what you
played the other day. I think it was in a
seven eleven with guy run his mouth um and he
called the guy boy and said, you know, what are
you gonna do about it? UM. Not a big fan
of uh of assault and violence, but you know, it's

(01:25:22):
it's a piece of advice that that a lot of
people need to understand. You can make any decisions you
make you want. You can do anything you want. You
can make any decision you want, you can see what
you want, but you have to be ready for the
consequences of what you say and what you do. And
that is uh, you know, with this video, with the
ability to have a camera on, like everything was going
out to our cell phones, we're getting kind of a

(01:25:43):
window into a lot of things that happened insiety. But
that was like replay showed I think it was about
three shows ago with the the young guy in the
in the store, I mean just like Scott, you kept
telling of me like, no, this is violent, keep telling you. Okay,

(01:26:05):
I changed my two now having seen one of my
favorite sections that your show. Let me just say this.
I don't condone violence. I still don't, but I understand, Yeah,
I understand Robert, Robert, Robert. They're gonna learn, They're gonna
learn stop messing with people. Look, you know, play stupid games.

(01:26:26):
Wasn't stupid prices? Uh So I think they've learned this lesson.
And those black dudes were like they were like with
content or something like that, those little some you know.
So if he picked the wrong ones, I mean he
probably should have figured out halfway through that soliloquy that
things weren't gonna end well. Any personally got off one
stop earlier. But I think part of what we have

(01:26:47):
to teach in our history, because we spend so much
time teaching the non violent parts of black history, that's
many people into believing that throughout our entire heritage, all
we did was, you know, sit and pray and sing songs.
And though no, you have the stone, no rebel, you
have John Brown, you have the original Castius Clay. Look
up a lot of more history and find out exactly

(01:27:07):
what happened and the battles that took place, and many
people have a different opinion when they started to uh
make these sorts of speeches in public. Alright, folks, real
short break. We gotta get up now. I gotta go
to next break. I gotta go to next way. I
got go next guest, I gotta go to short break.
When we come back, right to hit somebody if they

(01:27:28):
call you the N word, and yep, yep, that's that's
your answer. Alright, folks, that's called verbal salt. Gotta go
to break. We come back and gonna talk with Charlotte
Magne and God about this new black podcast and network
as next to roll about unfiltered twenties centers and include
everyone who lived with you as of April. First, kids, uncles, anyone.
They don't even have to be family. And I remember

(01:27:51):
this count helps inform where billions and federal funding goes
each year. So shape your feature and start here at cents.
It is gov hard folks. Here Charlottagne, the guy on

(01:28:16):
the Breakfast Club. Now he has a new adventure in
partnership with I Heart Radio, and that is a black
podcasting network. Uh it is called the Black Effect podcast network.
He joins us right now, Charlot Magne, what's up, Roland,
what's something my brother? How are you doing? Great? So
Black Effect the name where name comes from, oh man.

(01:28:39):
The inspiration was a song off jay Z and Beyonce's
album Um That Everything Is Love project that people slept on.
By the way, they had a song called the Black Effect,
and you know, the hook was like I'm good on
any MLK Boulevard. And you know, jay Z is a
is a is a black man who's inspiration to me
on so many levels, but you know, especially for what

(01:28:59):
he does is as on on the business and and
so that's simply that Like I saw that title and
I was like, oh, that's he made it a hot song.
I'm gonna make it a hot company. So you said
making a hot company there. One of the questions people, uh,
when you first made the announced, people saying, oh, you
know what do you actually own this? What? Or can

(01:29:20):
we say partnership? But that's one thing that people are tweeting,
like charl Man, he don't own it, her owns it. Yeah,
it's a fifty fifty joint venture. And you know that
means that I owned fifty. You know, I own, I own,
I own the majority of the of the network. And
if you go look at the trademark, which a lot
of people did, which that's when I knew that Twitter
just goes way too far to either prove you right

(01:29:43):
or prove you wrong. People are actually digging up the
trademark and they started our trademark, you know, Black Effect
Radio and Black Effect Podcast back in back in August
the two thousand nineteen. So yes, I am the majority
owner of the Black Effect Podcast network. So in these
so that's not fifty fifty the majority, you've got majority? Oh, like,

(01:30:04):
I don't want to discuss, like, like rightif fifty one
majority got you got you? All right? Uh? So, uh,
what what areas are different? Folks? With the podcast case?
You've already announced the people who you are who are
gonna be launching with it. And when does it launch?
It launched Actually the first episode, the first show launched

(01:30:25):
this Tuesday. Uh, Steve Smith Senior cut to it because
Steve was ready to go. You know, Steve had a
bunch of podcasts in the decks. So Steve Smith seeing
the former NFL lie out the former NFL make sure
that I'm the basketball player. What make sure it wasn't
the basketball player? No, no, no, no, Steve Smith Senior,
I'm sorry, Steve Smith Senior, I apologize. Steve Smith Senior.

(01:30:47):
Um the former Carolina Panther, one of the best trash
talkers ever in the league. So he dropped two episodes
this week of his show called cut to It. He's
got Malcolm Jenkins on the second episode and that's available
right now. And we're rolling out All the Smoke with
Matt Vaughn's and Steven Jackson. Um. They they come out
this week because this show starts on Showtime this week,

(01:31:08):
So we're dropping their podcast and coinside with the show
that they have on Showtime All the Smoke. Obviously, Uh,
podcasting has exploded. Uh. One of the reasons, uh we
did this show on digital piece because again, uh, linear
terrestrial uh is not really how people are just getting information.
I mean, the reality is if you look at uh

(01:31:30):
that your listeners listeners on the Breakfast Club, and then
you compared to a number of YouTube followers you guys
have as well, I mean, the reality is the digital
space allows for far more creativity and you don't have
the same gatekeepers. If you will, as you do with
with terrestrial or linear television. Yeah. I mean, the main
reason that I love podcasts um in particular, is because

(01:31:52):
I feel like they take the best attributes of radio
and magnifying. You know. The best attribute of radio to
me was always the personalities. You know. Over time, that
got lost because radio wanted to focus on the music,
you know, and and they made the music two start,
So a lot of radio stations became jukeboxes, and you know,
personalities we kind of just became announcers. Not me. I've

(01:32:14):
a I've always focused on being a personality, but a
lot of guys are just announces, and a lot of
women are just announceds. They do the time, they do,
the temperature, they introduced the next songs, they keep it moving.
Podcasts take just that personality and it's literally them for
an hour, it's literally them for two hours. And I've
always been a person a fan of talk radio. So
podcasting me just take the best attribute of radio and

(01:32:37):
magnified times. Ton, Well, I'm glad you made that point
about talk radio. Asked we're talking me gonna roll the
promo video you guys have for for the network. Go ahead, guys,
roller Um it's interesting. I remember a few years ago
I was talking with Alfred Liggins, who was the CEO
of Urban One, and we were talking about art and
I mentioned I said, look, radio wanted to go on
the podcast thing. My whole deal was you're getting rid

(01:32:59):
of your talk radio stations, and this is the perfect
way to do that. Since but you're getting the stations,
you know they weren't interested and the reality is that
you know you're starting that you're starting starting this deal here,
thank good is being African American. But the things I
keep saying is we've got to have black folks with
ownership of our controlling our narrative and telling our story

(01:33:20):
as opposed to what we consistently have is that frankly
majority majority control or wide America reaping the AD dollars,
reaping all the money and we don't actually control it ourselves. Yes,
And that's that's one of the other things I love
about podcasts. The reason I love podcast is because when
it comes to the ad revenue, that is something that

(01:33:42):
the host of that podcast, when their partner with a platform,
can get the majority of You know, even if you
have your platform on your podcast independently, if you get
with some of these advertising company does that sell podcasts,
You'll still get like you know SEV. But it's just
good ad revenue splits and I mean rolling you know
as well as I do. That's where the money is at. Oh, absolutely,

(01:34:04):
I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean the reality is. Look,
I've I've done radio. I did a mid day morning
drive show to be viewing radio in Chicago and the
Tom John the Morning Show. I had my own radio
show as well. Uh and and look worked at CNN,
worked at TV one. But the realities is here when
I am having conversations right now. I mean, look, I
I locked down a six figure deal today with somebody.

(01:34:28):
When I'm having conversations with somebody, ain't no mental man,
They're They're not talking to the salesperson or the marketing
person and and the businesspeople. And then they come over
here and I get a little piece over here or
getting appearance feed. No, No, I'm having the direct conversation
about the money. Absolutely. I mean, I've been doing radio

(01:34:49):
for twenty three years. I didn't start getting any piece
of ad revenue until The Breakfast Club became a nationally
syndicated radio show. So we've been syndicated for like six
seven years now, So I never got any ad revenue
in my whole twenty three years of doing radio and
tel you know, six years ago. So think about that
with a podcast network, these these these these hosted these

(01:35:12):
podcasts are coming out the gate getting that ad revenue.
That's something that I didn't have the luxury of having
when I when I first started in this audio business.
So it's also freedom. It's also freedom, and the reality
is that that you don't mean you can put rules
in place if you want to, but the reality is
there are no rules when you talk about the digital
digital space, uh, podcasting to me or just like on

(01:35:35):
the digital side, it's sort of like if you've got
to show an HBO and show time yo, whatever whatever
flows flow and then if your audience says, yo, we
don't like all your cousin, then you can make decide, hey,
we're not gonna do that. But it's the freedom to things.
Freedom and flexibility two of the things that the two
words that I've always lived box as I came into

(01:35:57):
the business as a graduate Texas and the university, that
when a company was limiting my freedom and my flexibility,
that's what I said, I got the bounce. Absolutely absolutely,
and that's that. Listen. That's one of the reasons I
love my Heart so much. I love my Heart because
I've been there for almost a decade. It will be
a decade dis assembol and you know, they've they've always

(01:36:17):
allowed me that. They've always allowed me that when it
comes to, you know, the guests that I want to
have one to show the conversations that we want to
have on the show, They've never came and said, hey,
y'all are just a hip hop radio show focused on that.
It's like we we stretched the gamut from social justice
to politics, to comedy, to mental health and mindfulness. The
Spiritual Leaders Faithful Leaders were able to be creative and

(01:36:40):
have that flexibility, and that's why I thought that they
were the perfect partner for what I wanted to do
with this podcast network. There were a lot of It's
always interesting when you start dealing with what happens in
the whole social media space in terms of when people
get caught up in and beefs and all that sort
of stuff like that I posted the other day. I

(01:37:00):
was like, look, I listen you. You and I talked.
We've talked about a number of other things offline over
the last couple of years. I've done the Breakfast club
as well. When I commented the other day on Joe Button,
people like, oh, but here's my here's my biggest problem.
This is my biggest problem with all these other people
who are there with you all the talking. The reality
is there are people in all of these spaces who

(01:37:22):
do different things. Y'all shows on our heart guess what
that's cool. That's no different than Robin Roberts being on ABC. Uh,
there are folks look my show, I'm independent, I'm independently
on We've had independent record labels, and we've had individuals
who had record label deals. Master P had his own
company but had a distribution deal. Other folks had record

(01:37:43):
label deals. What what I What I'm trying to get
our people to understand is to stop getting caught up
in mess, stop wanting to see him, be spectators like
who fighting who, and to learn what people are doing
who are talking about control their own fate. That to
me is the most important thing. I just think that

(01:38:03):
a lot of people who just spend too much time
on mess as opposed to no, no, no, how are
people moving things forward? No matter what lane you're operating in.
That that that's important to me because what I'm seeing
is in this moment, in the after bath of George Floyd,
this is well, this is the third reconstruction. This is
the moment where we should be saying of any moment

(01:38:26):
in our lifetimes. No, No, we're demanding ownership and a
much larger piece of the pie. I agree with you,
you know, me and Reverend Barbara talked about this being
a new reconstruction era, and I think that's the main
thing we all have to do, right, Like, you're either
gonna do You're either gonna listen to one or two people.
You're gonna listen to the people who aren't doing it

(01:38:48):
try to tell you how to get it done. Are
you're gonna listen to the people who are doing it,
you know, tell you how you can do it too.
And guess what, even if I tell you, you still
may not do it because you're not me, You're not
Roland Martin. Like our our our paths are different, you know,
our our experiences are different. The way we got to
where we are now is different. So we all have

(01:39:10):
our own individual leverage and you have to use it,
you know, I'm not I'm not mad at the way
anybody does anything. I think that sometimes you know, when
when you're a personality of media personality, uh, you get
on your podcast, you get on your radio show, and
we have conversations that we might need to be having
amongst each other, you know, And I think that's where um,

(01:39:31):
that's that's where it gets tricky because we're inviting everybody
else in two conversations we should be be having amongst
each other. And we all do that by the way,
you know, like like like I might do it to Joe,
Joe might do it to you know, Gillian Wallow, Like
we all have it. Like it's like discussing basketball. It's like, oh,
this person gotta deal over here, that person gotta deal

(01:39:51):
with here, this person's contract looks like this. It's just
that we gotta make sure we know what we're talking
about if we're going to speak on certain things. That's all. Yeah.
I mean, like I I've had people who come to
me and they say, well, you know, man, you should
be doing this, this, this, and I'm looking at them
going no. In fact, I mean I had at a
very a very prominent uh individual who who you and
I both know who said man, and he was great,

(01:40:14):
you need to take these clips and break it apart
and send across the internet. I was like, nah, we're
good and he was like yeah, but he's like, but
young folks don't look at don't look at long clips.
And I went, actually, this is our time spent viewing
on our show. And I said, and this is the
revenue that we're now generating from those very same clips,

(01:40:34):
and how we've tripled it in the last five months.
And the person was like, oh damn. So I was like, yeah,
in your mind that and again there are people who
do short clips, that's what they do. They do the
thirty second second. But the reality is we purposely do
a two hour show because our time spent listening is
higher than some other people. We got people who are

(01:40:56):
watching nine, twelve, fifteen, eighteen minute, twenty minute videos. So
that dispels and notions. That's why I saying, hey, if
you want to do what you do, but right ahead,
but trust me, it's working fine for us. Yeah. Is
that something that that person um is doing theirselves or
that's something they saw working for other people? Yeah, that
they do it, but they're but their motive is different. Okay, okay, okay,

(01:41:20):
I mean YouTube is your platform though, Roland. I mean
it depends like if you're trying to, you know, use
your social media page to get people to come back
to your YouTube. Yeah, I can see why. You know,
they might ask you to you know, shorten the clips
and put them on social media. But I know people
come to you for YouTube. That's the platform that right.
You know, you're you're cultivating. You gotta do it the
way you wanted to. And what they don't realize is

(01:41:41):
with YouTube, the video needs to be at least ten
minutes so we can drop for commercials in it. See
that it's the it's the study of it, and that's
the that's the thing that I want to talk to
you about real real quick. I know you gotta go.
People need to be students of the business to learn
the business as opposed to getting caught up in man.

(01:42:03):
I got, you know, like Instagram, I got five and
forty five Instagram followers. Yeah, but Instagram has no monezation program.
So you can load all this up on Instagram, but
it's actually not making your money unless you have a
product that you're selling or is driving you elsewhere. So
it's not getting caught up in the height of your numbers,
it's what can you how can you monetize this thing?

(01:42:25):
That is very true. I mean what you said about
studying the game is the key, because you know what
I like to do is I like to see what's
missing in the marketplace. You know, I don't like to
see I don't like to do what everybody else is doing.
I got like to to three years ago because I've
always I've always been a part owner of a podcast network,
the Loudspeaker Network. You know, Rest in Peace, my man

(01:42:46):
Combat Jack Sloth to my guy christ mon Row. So
I've always been a part owner for like the past
six years in the Loudspeaker Network. So I was just
literally just watching the landscape of what all of these
various podcast networks were doing. So I saw what Gimblet
was doing, I saw what you know, Bill Simmons was
doing with the Ringer, I saw what Anchor was doing.
So when they started getting these hundred million dollar deals,

(01:43:09):
two hundred million dollar deals, I wasn't surprised because I
knew that they had all of this I p under
their network. So I just sat back and started thinking
to myself like, man, why why why don't we have
a black you know, podcast network. You know, like, like
I think about BT in the nineties. You know, I wanted,
I wanted to create. I wanted to I want this

(01:43:30):
to be to the audio space what BT was to
TV in the nineties. That was always my mindset when
I was, you know, developing this and putting and putting
this together, and I was just it literally came from
just studying the game and realizing, Okay, that's what's missing
in the marketplace right now. Well you're actually writing. In fact,
it's so funny. You know. Jay Felman, my former EP

(01:43:52):
when we started this, JA was like, you should do
audio podcasts and I was like nah, and he kept
he was like why, and I said, well, actually, you know,
I created the first black news source audio podcast in
two thousand five before and then I need a video
podcast in two thousand and six, and I said, I've
already done it, and he was like, yeah, but that
was a podcast. At one point, I'm like, yeah, but

(01:44:13):
I've already already done it. I knew I wanted to
create a video show with to your point, nobody else
was doing. And so I was like, if we were
able to create this this beachhead and then build it
from there that all of a sudden we're doing something
that nobody else is doing. And that's really what with
the with the mother Baby was and then what happened

(01:44:35):
Fox Soul comes out after that, Um then ABC cbit
that all these people, NBC launches there a digital news
deal and so now but we're still again the only
ones that that's black owned, that's independent in the space.
And that's the whole point. When you're able to carve
out your niche, then you're able to build something. Final thoughts. Yeah, First,

(01:44:56):
the market is very important. You know. I saw I
think today Amazon launched that they're doing a podcast network
and they have like DJ Kalin and Will Smith over there,
and if I'm not mistaken it that's what Lebron James
production company, you know, spring Hill. You know. So I
just feel like, you know, it's good to be. It's
good to be for us to market, you know, like
like I said, Bet in the nineties is my motivation.

(01:45:19):
I don't think we give Bob Johnson enough credit. Bob
and Bob and Sheila Johnson, Bob and Sheila Johnson, I
mean that's still to this day, the largest black exit
of any entrepreneur. I think it was like three point
two billions, three point three billion dollars. I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be breaking down next week though, because if
you read Red Pulley's book, b ET should have been

(01:45:41):
sold for about ten billion plus because I'm gonna get
this real quick, here's and this is, and I'm gonna
just give you this um and probably because you have
a heart as a partner that speaks to it in
the book, BT was getting fifteen hundred dollars for a
thirty second spot when TV was getting eight thousand. Some

(01:46:03):
the Redstone and Mail Carmerson said, oh we bought BAT,
we can now start getting eight thousand. They were devaluing
the black viewer compared to the white viewer on MTV.
Had BT been getting the eight thousand instead of the
fift hundred, BT would have been worth five times more
what they would have been generating from the advertising revenue.

(01:46:24):
So the battle that we have right now, even if
with what you're launching, and what I have is to
say to these agencies, don't y'all devalue the black customer
like you have been doing. You pay uh fair market value.
So in podcasts and don't say well, because Joe Rogan's
audience his white or Bill Simmons is white, they are
more valuable than Charlottagne's audience of my audience. That's the

(01:46:47):
next beat, that's next battle that we have to that
we have to confront these agencies over. Yeah, I think
these ad agencies no now that that that that black
is gold. You know, back in the nineties, hip hop
was still being kind of looked at as a as
a as a niche thing, you know, as as as
as a flavor of a flavor of the month kind
of thing. So I think that's why it. Don't get

(01:47:08):
me wrong, they still do the value, you know, the
black dollar, but I think a lot more respect for
it now, I think so right now in this it's
a little more respect. But but but the next but
the next piece in trust me, we'll talk offline about
this is when it comes to getting those dollars. Look,
a hundred billion dollars has spent every year when it

(01:47:29):
comes to advertising. I'm asking the question how much of
that is going to black owned media, not black targeted
black owned media. Because here's because the federal government spends
five billion dollars a year on advertising. Black media gets
thirty five millions. Yeah, and you know what's interesting, these
ad agencies asked they'll ask that question nowadays too. They

(01:47:50):
want to make sure that the platform you're on is
really black owned. Yeah so so yeah, well so, congratulations
on it. We'll be watching it. Good luck and uh Chatson,
thank you, Roland pretty ch thanks about supposed We gotta
go to a break. We'll be back on Rolling Mark
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(01:50:03):
Do we have uh? We did these interviews with various
folks about the importance of voting. Do we have a
Lisa Ray video? Ready? Okay, play it. Let me say this.
I've always vote voted because my mama made me too,

(01:50:26):
made me too. Um, But the first time I really
gave a damn honestly Clinton Bill Clinton name. So I
used to vote for who my mama voted for, so
you so growing up that was practice she voted. You

(01:50:51):
would go to the polls with her when she voted,
and so did she say, look, we're going. She would
make me um sit and watch the different speeches that
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as soon as a kid, I was going in and
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(01:51:13):
to make sure that my vote counted. So it's like,
come on, and it was like, okay, all right, folks,
bring our panel back. Robert Lauren as well as uh Scott,
y'all are there. Yep. The conversation we just head with

(01:51:33):
Charlomagne uh is an important one because I continue to insist,
uh Robert, that we you, we have to control the
narrative and if we don't, we're gonna be asking somebody
else to tell our story. Yeah, you're completely correct. And
one of the things that I think we have to

(01:51:54):
remember is that America and Western civilization in general has
a well worn history of white people were getting rich
off of black intellectual property off of black hard work,
out of black art and music and dance and performance
and UH and intellectualism. And so if we're not able
to step out and create platforms for ourselves, create inducries

(01:52:15):
for ourselves, just Reverend Jackson there with the Rainbow Push
Trade Bureau and many of the other the Saturday morning
broadcasts with the Revolution Area at the time to Shorter,
we control that narrative, we control the revenue because then
you can bring on black camera companies. Then you can
bring on black production companies, you can bring on black caters,
black limbo services. So the economics of controlling your own

(01:52:36):
narrative and controlling your own intellectual properties is always going
to pay off board the long run. You ain't gonna
get rich working on my job, Lauren Um. The point
I made about advertising is important because that's really how
the business operates. And if we are being devalue and
not getting our fair share, we can't grow, we can't
build capacity, we can't hire more people. And so that's

(01:52:59):
the thing. And what also has to happen is other
black media companies can't be taken far less because they
that then sets the table. They say, well, we gave
so on, so that I'm like, well, ay, my problem.
They cheat, Uh, they devalue themselves. Yeah, so many companies
negotiate from a from a position and negotiating hims themselves

(01:53:22):
and actually bring down the market value by accepting cheaper deals.
And obviously ownership and control is the entire ballgame we
do in this country. African Americans set the culture. You know,
we are the ones that period culture so many times
and don't get paid for it. And uh we actually
I remember one time in the green room a few

(01:53:43):
years ago, um when uh the show was on TV one,
there was a there was a musician there. I think
I'm talking about barbershop. There was q musicians in the
green room. But I was trying to figure out why
it was, with the technology that we have now, why
it was anybody needs to a record company because if
you have your own, if you have your own, you

(01:54:04):
used to be distribution was the reason, and you needed
them for distribution promotion. And now I'm not too sure
why anybody needs a record company other than the take
money from the artist to do all the work, which
has been the tradition of record companies in America. But
that's it. That's it. That that first of all, and
what you what they did was remember that was a

(01:54:25):
point when you had a lot of record labels. But
then the majors are like, oh with Motown or other
like no, no, no, hold us. So we got we
gotta change the game. So now we're gonna say, well,
get the music business. We're gonna control the distribution. So
if you saw that master P, especially there was on
b E t uh. You remember master P had a
record label, but he cut a distribution deal. Now, it

(01:54:48):
was interesting watching all these white execs with I think
was Priority Records, which was the distribution company. They made
no music, but they controlled the distribution. And so master
P and and I was sitting there watching and I
was kind of like, why the hell he gotta cut
a deal with them? And so that's the game. And

(01:55:09):
that's the game in terms of old same thing in movies. Okay,
people talk abody tell a pair gots on studio? No no, no,
no no. Who controls the distribution of the product long ahead.
But I was just gonna say that the distribution now
so easy because we were dealing in digital files, which
I thought it was always funny that that Apple kind
of hood wins us into everything had to be controlled

(01:55:30):
to the iTunes uh marketplace if you will, like it
used to be. Remember when the kid from Napster created
that that platform where anybody could down and listen to music.
Period of course they sued him and they stopped him.
Then they controlled it back into iTunes. But when you
think about it, if you're as talented as Beyonce and
jay Z, your distribution is a downloaded file. So I'm

(01:55:53):
always wondering, like why people don't just go around that
I don't know enough about music. Not the answer I'll
explain to you. I'll explain to you, and and Scott
your lawyer is very simple. And as it's here, people
want to congregate in certain places. And so what they've

(01:56:13):
done is the distribution model today is where the people
already are. Okay, so now it's if your Apple. They
have millions of these devices, so they have communities that
are already built in, and they've made it easy for
you simply to go click I bought it. And so

(01:56:34):
the consumers like I don't want to have to go
to hear to hear to hear? Can I just get
it all in one place? But what what what what
I'm arguing, which is what I argue when UM I
argue about this. When um I was talking about Boozy
the other day, Scott uh and Instagram. He's begging to
get back on Instagram. I'm like, Boozy, it's real simple

(01:56:54):
if you actually take because he was gonna he said
he was gonna pay Instagram a hundred thousand let him
back on their platform. I was like, Boozy, why don't
you take that a hundred thousand and give it to
a black developer and you can actually create your own
social media platform until your fans come check me out
right here to what they've done is and trust not

(01:57:15):
now that here's a deal. Somebody right now is watching
Scott and they're saying, when you're rolling, you're on YouTube, Facebook,
compariscope for a short while. Because what you have to
do is which the artists have done. You get in,
build your name up. You all of a sudden you
create the resonance. Now, now, if you're Beyonce or Drake

(01:57:38):
or you actually don't need the record labels because you
can actually create your own ecosystem. That's really what's at play.
So they want to control the access by saying we've
got millions of eyeballs. Is easier over here, And that's
why Apple is getting sued because they're saying, if you
put any in in app purchases, we gotta get thirty

(01:57:59):
first in. And it combers like, why the hell I
gotta give you thirty present? Right right, right, right right?
You know this is this is a complex issue because
we are so programmed as black people to believe that
bigger is better or or or they're the majority is

(01:58:21):
ice is cold. If you're gonna be an entrepreneur and
you're gonna lead and build, and what you're talking about Roland,
you've been talking about even before it became popular. You
gotta believe in yourself take that risk, right you You
had to post a week or two ago about this show,
and and how two or three years ago you said,

(01:58:42):
I gotta go, I gotta do this. Now I've been
wanting to do it. And we have to be fearless
as entrepreneurs, right and be aggressive and believe that this market,
black or white, will support us if we have a
great concept, precept or a great product, If you will,
we gotta protect it. And then black people gotta support
each other. See we we still have this imperiority conflict

(01:59:05):
when it comes to entrepreneurship. Not all of us, but
a lot of the consumerism that black people engage in.
People ask you all the time, well, you know you're
not on one of the network you're not on cable.
Well you don't want to be on cable when you've
got a great product right here, You get any guests
you want to come on, and you've got a great following.
But you gotta be fearless and take that leap of faith. Right.

(01:59:28):
Obviously you believe in God, but you gotta do that
if you really believe in yourself. And so often we said, well,
I'd like to do that, or I'd like to do that,
but you gotta be willing to take the risk. And
so many of us don't take that risk. For black
people think they shouldn't follow you or watch you because
you're not on one of the networks. Right, people get
the news of the majority from the platform other platforms.

(01:59:53):
They're not just three or four news stations anymore. And
then I just who cares about the cable stations when
you can get stuff on line. I got twin dollars
twenty five years old, twenty six years old. Tell you,
managine where you get your news from? Well, I do Instagram,
I get it off the internet, blah blah blah, Twitter, Facebook,

(02:00:13):
that's where the majority of people are getting that news.
I don't even get a newspaper anymore. I don't know
how many other people do. And so you gotta be fearless.
But black people have to support us, uh in these
various platforms, and we gotta be fearless in what we
set up and believe in ourselves. That's it, Scott Robert Lawn.
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sidear Printing, James gurn Jerry Lemmings, David Famous, the Jackie
Class of nineteen seventy two. You didn't put your name
on it. You just put Jackie's class in nineteen seventy two.
Alma mater, I appreciate it on class of eighty seven though, Uh,
Jerry Rhn, Schandra Drayton, Michelle Hammonds, Uh, Douglas Carrington, Susie Thanks,
Randy dots and, Mary Robinson, Sharon Rodgers, Billy, Jean Figan,

(02:06:05):
Loreen Calhoun, Calvin Cunningham and Greta Master, and so I
thank all of you who have contributed to our Bring
the Funk fan Club. Thank you so very much. Hey, Henry,
zoom out, so I shouted out. Michelle Hammonds, y'all. So
I wore shirt yesterday from Tammy Green. So Michelle Hammonds
made this T shirt and I'm wearing it today. I'm
gonnaing to stand up so alright, So so go ahead

(02:06:28):
and zoom in on it, zoom in on me. So
you see what Michelle did was so Michelle had this
shirt made. She put h rollover, hashtag, rollerbart and Unfiltered
Daily Digital News here at the top. Uh you see
here she so, she put, these are all the slogans
I use on the show. So bring the Funk? What
the hell? Uh tried to tell you the right kind

(02:06:50):
of black solo? Dad talked about that. Uh, it's about
damn time. So all some Michelle, thank you very much
for sending me a couple of these shirts. I certainly
apprec shade it. And of course the last one you
see right over here, that's how we're gonna end the show.
I'll see all guys tomorrow. Holla.

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