Detroit Early Voting, TX Redistricting showdown, Trumpflation, Black Youth Mental Health Crisis

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
This Thursday, July thirty first, twenty twenty five, coming up
from Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the black Star Network.
Huge election on Tuesday in Detroit to be voting on
a new mayor. One of the candidates, Mary Sheffield City
Council President, will be joining us today on Roland Martin
Unfiltered to lay out her plans for the motor city

(00:43):
if she is elected mayor. In Texas, the battle over
the radically continues. Democratic House Leader Hakking Jeffries is in
Austin standing with Democrats there will show you some of
the comments are also being made at a lot of
the hearings, and folks have not been happy with publicans
who continued to lie, acting as if they had no

(01:04):
maps drawn up. You know, they dropped them the next day. Also,
mental health crisis. It used to be that black children,
black youth were far behind white teams when it came
to suicide. That is no longer the case. We'll talk
to an expert about that very issue. More stupidity from
Donald Trump. Oh, let's cut snap benefits Medicaid. But sure,

(01:26):
let's build a new two hundred dollars ballroom on the
White House grounds. Why not. Plus, on today's show, we
will talk about more craziness in this country. Y'all been
seeing all this talk about this beating in Cincinnati and
that white maga, that maga's been going crazy. There were

(01:47):
some things that happened prior to that beating. I'll share
that with you as well. Tyler, bring the rollerd Mark,
I'm filtered on the Black Study Network.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Whatever the bees on it.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Whatever it is, he's got the fact fine Wenna believes
he's right on top and is rolling.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Best believe he's going put down.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
From this Loston news to politics with entertainment just bookcase.

Speaker 7 (02:15):
He's stolen.

Speaker 8 (02:20):
Up.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's rolling.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, he's bronc Spress, she's real the question, No, he's rolling.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Monte Olk shall heard me say numerous times every election matters,
especially local elections. Well, there's a big, majorly election taking
place in Detroit on Tuesday. Lots of canvas running. One

(03:00):
of the folks is running is Mary Cheffield council president.
Of course, when you look at polling down or she's
leading in the post. But you know what it all
comes down to, you know, fighting for every single vote.
She's been on the city Council since twenty thirteen. There
are eight other people in the race as well. Marycheffel
joins us. Right now, good to see you again. I

(03:20):
saw you a few weeks ago when I was in
Detroit picking up in the war from the NAACP there
and so y'all of course, y'all, y'all, yeah, you know, backstage,
I was messing with her because she was going over
her speech. I was like, just speak off the cuff,
just don't even read. Don't even read the speech. All right,
glad to have you here. Why do you want to
be married Detroit?

Speaker 9 (03:41):
Well, thank you for having me. Roland always good to
hear you. And I can't see you, but it's all good.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm here, Okay, we can see you. We're good, all right.

Speaker 9 (03:51):
But I'm running from mayor because Detroit has so much
potential and we've made tremendous progress. I mean everyone, not
just Detroit, but really around the country. Read has talked
about and is seeing the resurgence of our city. But
in the midst of that resurgence, there are still far
too many neighborhoods. There's still far too many people who
have not felt the growth and progress of our city.

(04:13):
And as a lifelong Detroiter, someone who was born and
raised in Detroit, I have a deep passion and love
for our city and I've served this city the last
twelve years, working to lay the foundation to help the
city emerge from the largest municipal bankruptcy in the country.
I feel that it is my obligation to ensure that
the growth and the momentum and the resurgence continues in

(04:35):
a way that's equitable and that is actually touching more
people here in the city of Detroit.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's an important point because when we looked at a
lot of the expansion that's taking place over the last
eight years, my doing has been the mayor. I've heard
from people who say, hey, it's benefited developers, but not
necessarily small businesses. And at the end of the day,
if you don't have residents, I mean, you can have
brand new buildings, brand new uh, brand new shiny things,

(05:04):
but you still kind of need people in order for
a city to grow and prosper.

Speaker 10 (05:09):
I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Speaker 9 (05:10):
And when we talk about actually taking Detroit to the
next level, in Detroit rising higher than what it is today,
this next administration has to be focused on how do
we actually get people to not just come uh and
patronize our businesses, come to our downtown, but actually see
themselves living.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
In our city.

Speaker 9 (05:28):
And so my focus is going to always be how
we build walkable, vibrant neighborhoods, how we're creating a place
where families once again can live in Detroit, and order
for us to grow population and really take Detroit to
the next level, because as you mentioned, we can you know,
build buildings u and invest in our downtown in Midtown,
but ultimately, if we want people to see themselves living here,

(05:49):
raising their families here, growing our population uh and attracting
and retaining our young people, it got we have to
go back to neighborhoods and housing and all the social
issues that I think are so important here in our city.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You are there in the Midwest, and the reality is
when you look at the numbers, you're losing people. They're
leaving Michigan, Wisconsin, They're leaving They're leaving these states Illinois,
MISSI mean Missouri, and so a lot of that is
driven by economics. And so what is your plan to
attract businesses to set up shop in Detroit that would

(06:24):
supply the jobs Obviously, for the longest, more than one
hundred years, it's been about the auto industry there in Detroit.
But how do you look to diversify your economy there
that will then attract people, attract homeowners.

Speaker 9 (06:38):
Yeah, well, let me first say Detroit's population has recently
seen an increase after decades of decline. We just celebrated
maybe about a couple of months ago, another population growth
for two consecutive years. So we are starting to move
in the right direction. We are not any longer losing population.
We're gaining, but it's not at the speed I think

(07:00):
that we all want to see. And so for me
to continue to attract different industries to Detroit, we want
to have to make sure that Detrode is a business
friendly city. What we oftentimes here is that it's extremely
difficult to open up a business or for industries to
move to Detroit because of red tape, because of bureaucracy.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
If you go to other cities, they don't have to
experience that.

Speaker 9 (07:19):
Much difficulty of getting into city government and opening up
those industries and businesses in their cities. And so we're
going to work on improving the culture of how business
is done in Detroite. Secondly, in order for these industries
to come here, we got to have talented workforce. We
got to have people who can fill those positions with
the skills and the knowledges that they need.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
And so we're going to have a.

Speaker 9 (07:41):
Heavy focus on workforce development to ensure that we have
the pipeline that is prepared for the industries that will
come to Detroite. And then lastly, you know, we pay
some of the highest property taxes in the country and Detroit,
and oftentimes we have to continue to offer incentives and
abatements for companies and industries to come to Detroite because
because the cost of development is extremely high, and so

(08:02):
we're working on achieving structural property tax reform and then
also offering as many incentives as possible, whether it's our land,
and also other tools to ensure that we're incentivizing those
industries that come to Detroit.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You talk about those property taxes wildly too high.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Well, they've always been high.

Speaker 9 (08:20):
We have tons of millages over the years that have
continued to add to that cost. And I think for
decades and really quite some time in these trade we've
always experienced extremely high taxes and it's always been a
burden for our residents, and so.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
We've tried year after year to try to reduce it.

Speaker 9 (08:37):
The last two years, the mayor has launched an initiative
changing some state laws that would allow for reduction in
property taxes, and we're working on that extremely hard because
it's been a huge barrier people have left for Southfield
and suburban communities because the cost of living is so high.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Even our auto.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Insurance is extremely high compared to other cities.

Speaker 9 (08:56):
And so these are structural issues that have been plaguing
our city for generations that we have to work on
to stop individuals and businesses from coming to the trade.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Quality of life obviously is one of those things, but
what goes into that also are schools. When businesses are
looking and relocate, they're looking at they're looking at transportation,
they're looking at quality of life, entertainment, and looking also
at schools as well. And so obviously that's not that's
not under your purview, but that also has to be

(09:30):
a significant issue when you're talking about how do you
attract people, how do you attract families who you want
to be there for generations, not just transient where they
come and go.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
Most definitely, and we have a robust plan working with
our school board and our superintendent. Right now, the number
one issue facing our school system and the trade is absenteeism.
Our kids are not showing up to school, and oftentimes
it's social determinists that are preventing our young people from
showing up, whether it's transportation, you know, parents or families

(10:01):
have issue with child care, and so the city can
be a greater partner in that regard.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
We also have to ensure that.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
We're exposing our young people to skilled trades and vocational
training and exposing them to other alternatives outside a traditional.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Four year college degree.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
And so I plan on being a very active and
hands on mayor as it relates to education. While we
may not control the school system, we can open up
our rec centers, our libraries, use partner organizations and sites
to ensure that there's robust after school programming for our
young people to get the additional educational support that they need.
So we're going to be a great partner. While the

(10:36):
mirror doesn't control, we don't need to control, but we
can achieve a significant increase in the outcome of our
young people as it relates to education.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
All right then, what that certainly sounds like a whole lot.
I know you got to get back to campaigning. Early
voting is taking place right now, right, yes, it is.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
It's happening right now. And Tuesday, August fifth is the election.
And we are excited for Detroit to get out and
show out. And so if those are anyone who is
listening on your show today, if you know what he
Troy or Carl, and let them know to show up,
let their voice be heard. But more importantly, if you
don't early vote, please get out Tuesday, August the fifth,
for this very pivotal, pivotal.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Moment in our history and this very very important election.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
All right, Mary chaff L with Shelly, appreciate it. Thanks
about you coming, Buck, you you as well. All Right, folks,
going to break, We'll be right back. Rolland Martin Unfiltered
on the Blackstun Network.

Speaker 11 (11:28):
Next on the Black Table with me, Greg car Democracy
in the United States is undeceived.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
On this list of fat actors.

Speaker 11 (11:37):
It's easy to point out the Donald Trump's, the Marjorie
Taylor Greens, or even the United States Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (11:43):
As the primary villains.

Speaker 11 (11:44):
But as David Pepper, author, scholar and former politician himself
says there's another factor that trumps them all and resides
much closer to many.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Of our homes.

Speaker 11 (11:56):
His book is Laboratories of Altaker's wake up Call from
behind the Line.

Speaker 12 (12:02):
So these state houses get hijacked by the far right,
then they jerry mander, they suppress the opposition, and that
allows them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect
the people that state.

Speaker 11 (12:15):
David Pepper joins us on the next Black Table here
on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
This week on the other side of Change, Dura on Mamdani,
the New York City mayor race and this progressive wave
that has sent such a shockwave.

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Through all of New York City and really the rest
of the country.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Jamal Bowman, who's going to help us understand what this
mayoral election means and how we make sure that it
translates across the nation.

Speaker 13 (12:40):
You imagine national Democrats like identifying themselves as having flavor.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Or briars or swag like, absolutely not right. So hopefully
the city does what they can in November to help
resurrect this dying party and honestly just resurrect our democracy.

Speaker 10 (12:58):
Only on the other side of change, on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
This is savil Man, and this is David Mann, and
you're watching roland Mark until the war in Texas trying

(13:24):
to steal five congressional seats, decimating not only the Democrats'
numbers but black and brown representation. A lot of folks
continue to speak out. First of all, today House Democratic
Leader Hakim Jeffries was in Austin standing with Democrats. Will
show you some of that. But some of the people
who have been in tending these hearings and putting these

(13:45):
Republicans on blast include Taran County Commissioner Alisa Simmons, who's
been fighting redishting even on the county level, where they're
trying to wipe out a black member of the commissioner's
court in order to put a Republican in. Is what
she had to say.

Speaker 14 (14:03):
My name is Elisa Simmons.

Speaker 15 (14:05):
I'm the Arrant County commissioner that represents the precinct.

Speaker 14 (14:13):
I represent the precinct.

Speaker 10 (14:14):
That you are currently sitting in meeting in.

Speaker 14 (14:17):
This is my precinct.

Speaker 15 (14:20):
Welcome to ground zero of redistricting, Terrant County, Texas, home
of the Tea Party and Maca Republicans.

Speaker 14 (14:30):
Haga Republican County.

Speaker 15 (14:31):
Judge Da Sheriff, all of them. I am here to
urge the members of the Texas Legislature to say no
to racism and the racially discriminatorily discriminatory redraw of congressional maps.
What you've done is planned and calculated a racist attack

(14:57):
on the fundamental voting rights of people of color.

Speaker 14 (15:02):
I should know.

Speaker 15 (15:04):
Maga County Judge Tim O'Hare used a racist law firm
and a racist map drawer to attack pack and crack
African American and Hispanic neighborhoods.

Speaker 14 (15:20):
Here, just like you are trying to do to our congressional.

Speaker 15 (15:24):
Maps with the mid decade redistricting of Terran County Commissioner's precincts.

Speaker 14 (15:30):
The Republicans came from me and my seat.

Speaker 15 (15:32):
Just last month on June third, my constituents lost their
representation due to intentional racial jeremandered magapolitics. And what happened
when my colleagues voted to redistrict, when they voted to
go after my Precinct two seat, a damn lawsuit, So

(15:56):
hopefully you all are prepared for that. They we drew
our lines not because the population shifted, not because our
communities changed, but because they wanted to silence our voices
like you Texas legislative Republicans, my MAGA colleagues wanted more power.

Speaker 14 (16:16):
Than they already have.

Speaker 15 (16:18):
Terran County has been in existence since eighteen forty nine
and has always been Republican led.

Speaker 14 (16:24):
What more do you want?

Speaker 15 (16:28):
They didn't give a damn who they had to this disfranchise.

Speaker 16 (16:31):
It's my time up, Please compete, h I'll let you
complete your sentence, all right.

Speaker 15 (16:36):
That wasn't fair, that wasn't democratic. It was designed to
rig the game before the whistle even blew. And now
Texas Republican leadership is behind closed doors. Haven't seen a
map or a redistricting proposal from you guys doing the
same thing. But we're here today to say no to

(16:57):
racism and racially criminatorily redrawing of congressional maps.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Thank you all.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
Remembers any questions for this witness.

Speaker 16 (17:07):
Represent Emmanuals recognized the question of winnens Oh, commissioner, Commissioner,
we might question just it's okay, just remember just say
it that my phone till we we might have some
questions for you. Emans recognized the question witness.

Speaker 17 (17:21):
Yes, had a quick question. I know you were saying
that because of this, it's going to cause a lawsuit.
Is your county right now flush with cash or do
you all have an over served plus of cash? I'm
asking for an intense okay, so you're not. The second
thing is obviously you wouldn't know. But as of right now,

(17:42):
since this will possibly be going to littlegies, do you
know how much the county is already having to spend
to try to, you know, affirm what they've already done
to the seat with the redistrict game.

Speaker 15 (17:54):
Yes, we have hired the racist the firm that drew
the racist map. We paid them to draw the racist
map thirty thousand dollars, and now we've hired them to
defend the da am racist map and at two hundred
and fifty thousand.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Okay, So that's just the beginning.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
That's just the beginning.

Speaker 17 (18:18):
So we're already well above with three hundred thousand dollars
in less than a month, okay. And then how does
that end up going to be paid back? I mean,
I know the county is going able to do it,
but where.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Is that their money?

Speaker 17 (18:31):
So this is the taxpayers who are already disenfranchised, as
well as people who are not disenfranchised. Correct, So this
is going to increase taxes in your county? It probably will, Okay,
I just want to confirm that. Thank you, sir, Miss Chairman.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Miss Turner's recolized question with us.

Speaker 18 (18:48):
Miss Chairman, thank you, Miss Treman. Commissioner Simmons, thank you
for being here, and thank you for your leadership for
our counting and for our precinct. You talked about the
Tear County mid decade redistricting, and I like you just
to inform the committee how your Republican colleagues on the
Commission's court went about achieving it. Just correct me if

(19:11):
I'm wrong. But they took heavily minority neighborhoods from Precinct two,
which you were elected to represent, and pack them into
Precinct one, which is an existing majority minority Commissioners, precinct is,
do I have that basically correct?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Correct?

Speaker 15 (19:31):
So Precinct two, as politicians you know, is a competitive district.
Precinct one is decidedly democratic. Precincts three and four are
decided when Republican. So hey, if the Republicans run a
good race, they maybe could have beat me, but they didn't.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
And so.

Speaker 15 (19:56):
It's it's a competitive it's a competitive district, and so yes,
they my precinct.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
The see that.

Speaker 15 (20:09):
Voting age population was forty eight point nine percent black
and brown, and with redistricting, it's now.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Thirty eight percent black and brown.

Speaker 14 (20:22):
So they decimated Pricing two.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (20:25):
And basically when they do these racial gerrymanders like we're
about to see in this congressional map, there's basically two
ways to do it right. You can crack minority community
and thereby dilute votes across several districts and or pack
minority voters into as little geography as possible. But the
net effect is the same, reducing the overall representation that

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minority voters have in their ability like the candidates of
their choice.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's that's correct.

Speaker 15 (20:54):
So they took, for example, the Terran County portion of
Grand Prairie, which was in Preasing two and votes decidedly democratic.
That's that's your district, yes, and to get right around
Arlington and placed it in Precinct one. So you know,

(21:17):
they cracked Preasing two very well and put it put
them into Precinct one.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
Thank you for thank you for walking us through that.

Speaker 19 (21:26):
Thanks miss sir.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now folks yesterday At another hearing, Reverend doctor Frederick Douglas Haynes,
senior Pastor of Friendship Withst. Baptist Church. He also spoke
to the rule check this out if it's your testimony, sir,
thank you, miss Chairing.

Speaker 20 (21:44):
My name is Frederick Douglas Haynes, and that name has
been used earlier. I want to commend you because there
are two governing principles that have informed how you have
presided today.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Number one, you said that we are going to follow
the rules.

Speaker 20 (22:00):
Number two, you also mentioned that every American.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Deserves to be heard.

Speaker 20 (22:05):
It is my prayer that that would govern how we
respond to the wann to be Kings dictate, the one
to be king from.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Washington, d C.

Speaker 20 (22:16):
Dictating that we read district at this inopportune time already
districts that have been well jerry mandered.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
And so I'm asking number one that we follow the
rules of justice.

Speaker 20 (22:29):
Justice, according to Michael erwic Gyson, is what love sounds
like when it speaks in public. Justice means that all
of us, your number two principle, deserve to have our
voices heard. With this particular dictate coming down from Washington,
d C, our voices will not be heard I'm asking

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mister Chair that indeed this committee reject what's coming from Washington,
d C.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
And ensure that.

Speaker 20 (22:59):
Our voices are heard, and not only that our voices
are heard, but that we follow the rules of justice.
I basically say, with what has been said before, most
if not all, on this committee have some kind of
religious affiliation. According to my understanding of Christianity and most religions,

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there is a belief in justice. If there is a
belief in justice, it especially is concerned with ensuring that the.

Speaker 8 (23:30):
Voiceless have a voice.

Speaker 20 (23:32):
Please do not rob the voiceless of a voice with
a racist redistricting that follows the dictates of someone who
wants to be the king and not the president of
the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
In a few months, in a few months, many of us.

Speaker 20 (23:54):
Are going to celebrate what happened seventy years ago when
Rosa Parks decided that she would stand for justice by
not giving up her seat. I've always wondered about all
the other folk on the bus that December first.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
Day, what did they do.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Rosa Parks, we agree, was on the right.

Speaker 20 (24:14):
Side of history because she took a stand for what
was right and just the others were on the wrong
side of history because they did not take a stand
at all, or they went along with what was wrong.
I'm asking you this day please stand with Rose of

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Parks in that spirit, meaning that history will record that
you were on the right side of history because you
stood for justice. You were on the right side of history,
because you followed the rules of justice. You were on
the right side of history because you made sure that
everybody in Texas has a voice and not just voices

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of those who.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Looked like the occupant of the White House.

Speaker 20 (25:02):
I am begging you please stand on the right side
of history, as opposed to the wrong side of history,
which will hurt all of us, and it's against everything
that is moral and everything that is.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Just thank you for your time. So, folks, I always
sit this video Samuel Garcia, fellow Texas A and m
Aggie and I just love what he had to say.
So we'll have played this last one before we go
to Commissioner Simmons. So y'all check this here out.

Speaker 16 (25:35):
Microphone will get to you in just a moment, all right,
cheer called Samuel Garcia. So you aster to testify on
behalf of yourself on the revised congressional redistricting plan.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
Is that correct? Please give us your testimony.

Speaker 21 (25:47):
I drove here three hours to get here. I came
from Abilene, Texas, and I'm gonna if I'm willing to
drive three hours to come here and talk, I'm gonna
ask you to get off your phone and listen to
what I have to say.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
Whenever I found out.

Speaker 21 (26:06):
When you address somebody from the state legislature, you're supposed
to call them the honorable this or the honorable that. Well,
the word honorable means that you bring honor, and when
you're elected you're given that title. You should earn that title.

Speaker 22 (26:23):
I don't.

Speaker 21 (26:25):
Being honorable means that you do the right thing. Being
honorable means that you will look at yourself in the
mirror every day and say why am I doing this?
You got a call from Donald Trump. He told you
to go find five seats. No, he got asked how
many seats?

Speaker 8 (26:45):
He said five.

Speaker 21 (26:46):
He was asked on the news, you say, we don't
have any maps. Well, the helm the hell does Donald
Trump know he's going to get five seats? I bet
you anything. There's maps that are there. Those maps are there,
and they're sitting on his desk. And he's waiting for
you to do it. This is ridiculous. A man a

(27:08):
few days ago was arrested because he spoke too long
at this at the lecture, he spoke too long, and
y'all said, oh, he had to be arrested because he.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Broke the rules.

Speaker 21 (27:18):
How many of you are going to get arrested for
breaking the rules.

Speaker 23 (27:20):
Of mistreating the citizens of this faith. You're breaking the rules.
We we are the citizens of this venture.

Speaker 21 (27:35):
We're the ones it's supposed to be bottom up, not
top down.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
I'm gonna say this one thing to you. You know
it's wrong. In your heart.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You know it's wrong.

Speaker 21 (27:48):
And here's what I'm going to ask you when your
kids or your grandkids ask you one day as a
state representative, did you do always do the right thing.
You've got two.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Answers that you could choose from.

Speaker 21 (28:03):
You're either gonna have to admit to them that know,
sometimes I did things just from power. Sometimes I did that,
or you're gonna have to lie to your kids and
a lot of your grandkids and tell them you did
it because you believed it. Because you know this is wrong,
this is wrong.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
I grew up.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Please complete your chest about them I'm an aggie and
I believe age Maru and aggies.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
We say aggies.

Speaker 21 (28:33):
We don't lie, steed or chill, spits, cheat or steel,
and we don't tolerate that those who do.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
But the other thing is so let me hit kando, me.

Speaker 21 (28:47):
And my mother would look at you today. My mother
would look at you today and say, see middlewins.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Remember so many questions for this with this turning us
down Tarann County Commission at Lisa Simmons, glad to have
you here. I mean lots of passion here. And what
Garcia is there? He summed it up. This is about power.
This is about raw naked power. It's pure and simple,
and that's what as you laid out, these racist Republicans

(29:17):
are doing in Texas, in Tarrant County, in Galveson County,
in Austin, Texas, and add.

Speaker 15 (29:24):
Fort Bend County, Texas. Now, same process. These Republicans want
to destroy the voting strength of black foters and other
minority voters. They want to illegally throw the racial and

(29:45):
political makeup of this county and this Commission's court out
of balance. Same thing they're doing with the congressional maps.
It is obvious racism. What I want people to stop
doing is calling it a power graph. These guys have

(30:07):
the power. This is racism, pure and simple.

Speaker 14 (30:12):
You got the power. They want absolute dominion. They want dominion.
So this is racist, and we need to continue to
say that.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Call it what it is.

Speaker 14 (30:26):
Call a thing, a thing.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, and the thing that I keep you know what,
I remember my book White Fear Hew, the Brownio Americans
making white folks lose their minds. I laid all this out.
I mean, I said, guys, this is what they are doing,
is what they're preparing to do. It's as simple as that.
And so many people I looked at, so many people
who set the election out last year, oh oh you know,
I don't like this about Kambla or this Trump is

(30:50):
not that bad. And now they're sitting here going like,
oh my god, they're doing it. But they said they
were going to do it.

Speaker 15 (31:00):
I knew it when I took office two years what
seven months ago?

Speaker 14 (31:06):
The consultants called.

Speaker 15 (31:09):
I won November eighth, November ninth, they called and said,
can you jump on it on assume they are going
to redistrict this seat. Because the sister before me, she
served one term. We served for your terms. She served
one term.

Speaker 14 (31:27):
She was black.

Speaker 15 (31:28):
She won by four thousand votes. I won by four
thousand votes. Where I sit is, like I said at
the testimony, is a competitive district. And so they the
Republicans knew it was going to turn It's going to
be more it would become more easily easy for Democrats

(31:52):
to win. And so they they're like, we're about to
put a stop to this, and they want the judge.
I'll tell you, if he could, he'd want four Republicans
on the Commissioner's Court. What's important about that is it's
taking away your representatives, right, I mean, you're you're you're

(32:14):
removing me from this would remove me from the court.
It will be nearly impossible. With the new map that passed.
It passed here, we have been redistricted, reapportioned. It will
be nearly impossible for me to win.

Speaker 14 (32:36):
And that that is a result of people not voting.
Y'all have got we have got to get these folks
to the polls, period, point blank.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah. And I came saying they are taking advantage. Sixty
one percent of Texas is minority, yet sixty one percent
of the people who vote are white. And let me
tell you this.

Speaker 15 (33:02):
For years, I've been I get the Terrance County Republican
monthly newsletter. Those people are organized that it's not rocket science.
They are canvassing. Now between the Republicans in Arrant County
are block walking, knocking on doors. Now what we do

(33:24):
is Democrats elections over. We need to take a break,
We need to take a rest.

Speaker 10 (33:30):
And so we can go to those hearings, give.

Speaker 15 (33:35):
Great remarks and speeches and all that same thing that
happened with this Commissioner's Court. I had a ton of
people show up at Commissioner's Court, two overflow rooms. It
doesn't matter. They've got the votes on Commission's Court. They've
got three votes. The Texas House has the votes to redistrict.

Speaker 14 (33:57):
So what are we gonna do? Keep getting beaches. We've
got to do better.

Speaker 15 (34:03):
Subscribe to the Terran County Republican newsletter and do what
they do.

Speaker 14 (34:08):
It is, it's not rocket science.

Speaker 15 (34:10):
We just got to be consistent, block walking, communicating, educating,
and have short, succinct messages and and be tough, talk
shit and and and get out here.

Speaker 14 (34:27):
We should be campaigning right now right now.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean I've been I've been making that point.
I can't tell you how many times I say, Yo,
you can't wait. I spoke today on the panel the
US Black Chamber, Inc. And I laid out to the people.
I said, you have to be starting far earlier, a
year earlier. You got to be teaching people. There has
to be town halls. I said, we got to go
back where we had freedom schools and the civil rights movement.

(34:53):
You gotta have freedom schools teaching people about public policy.
I saw this one. I was on social media's one
Guy about three days ago. He's like, you know, Democrat
National Committee, where are y'all? Y'all should be Texas fighting.
I'm like, no, fool, I'm like, you should be fighting,
but should be you should be mobilizing and organizing because
the problem with Texas is unorganized and Republicans have been

(35:17):
able to win all across the state state whate offices.
And here's the deal. Your county is the last large,
major county in Texas the Republicans control. That's why they're
scared to death. They lost Harris County. That's why Abvid hates.
Governor Avid hates Harris County. They lost Dallas County, they
lost Travis county. The governor is such an ass. This

(35:40):
new map. They literally put the governor's mansion in a
red district, so it's not in a Democrat congressional district.

Speaker 14 (35:51):
They're silly when they draw these maps. Silly, the lun Listen,
let me tell you how silly they are. So precinct
to my precinct.

Speaker 15 (36:01):
Is home to Globe Life Stadium, home the Texas Rangers,
at and T Stadium, home to the Dallas Cowboys, the
Texas Live Entertainment Complex.

Speaker 14 (36:12):
They the lines, they drew Roland.

Speaker 15 (36:16):
They gave the stadiums to a Republican precinct or commissioner,
but not the goddamn parking lots.

Speaker 14 (36:25):
So the parking lots are still mine. Make it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
They threw the maps, so the parking lots of the
stadium are in your district, but the stadium itself is not.

Speaker 15 (36:41):
You heard me, yes, And so I guess that's you know,
I've driven, you know, I might go meet people for
lunch at Texas Life and they have a jacked up
parking lot. And I told my road and bridge director,
I said, hey, let's use some discretionary funds.

Speaker 14 (36:57):
And I know the Rangers don't need County.

Speaker 15 (37:00):
But I want that parking lot fixed, so we can
use some discretionary funds and help them repair that parking lot.
And so I guess they want me to use my
discretionary funds to repair parking lot.

Speaker 14 (37:13):
Make it makes sense the way they drew these lines.
And you're from this area, A lot of your listeners aren't.
I just won't mean much to them.

Speaker 15 (37:21):
But Grand Prairie, Texas, the Terry County portion is precinct too,
and it votes decidedly democratic. They have moved Grand Prairie,
Texas round past Arlington and put it into Precinct one.

Speaker 14 (37:40):
So Precinct one democratic always going to be.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think did commission to freeze there? I think she froze.
Let's see if we can get her. Let's see if
we can get her back there, and lost her signal
right there. You know the thing that we're seeing, folks,
I mean, we literally are seeing absolutely shameful behavior that's
coming in Texas. But again, we warned people about this,

(38:08):
and when the commissioner talks about how you have to
mobilize and organize, how you have to get folk focused again,
that's how you defeat this, y'all. This ain't rocket science.
It's really not. And so you can be mad and
pissed off. The question is what are you gonna do

(38:29):
about it. I'm gonna go to a break, we come back.
I'm gonna bring my panel up. Hopefully we can get
the commissioner back. But also some Democratic governors are saying, okay, fafo,
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Next on the Black Table with Me, Greg Carr. Democracy
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Speaker 8 (39:46):
As the primary bullainer.

Speaker 11 (39:48):
But as David Pepper, author, scholar, and former politician himself says,
there's another factor that trumps them all and resides much
closer to many.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Of our homes.

Speaker 11 (40:00):
The book is Laboratories of Autocer's a wake up call
from behind the lines.

Speaker 12 (40:06):
then they jerry mander, they suppress the opposition, and that
allows them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect
the people that state.

Speaker 11 (40:18):
David Pepper joins us on the next black tape here

Speaker 1 (40:25):
How you doing.

Speaker 11 (40:26):
My name is Luck KERRT, and you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered,
deep into it like pasteurized milk without the two percent.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
We're getting deep.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
You are talking that shut off.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
We're doing an interview with mother father. All right, folks.
Commissioner Simmons are still with us. I want to bring
in my panel as well, joining us right here on
the show, talking about the craziness that's happening in Texas,
and again we're seeing these things unfold all across the

(41:01):
country because Republicans want to do this everywhere because they
are afraid they're going to be losing losing the house
next year. All right, joining us with their hostage video,
doctor Nola Haynesorgetown University, A School of Foreign Service, Doctor

(41:22):
Greg car Department of Afro American Studies how at University DC.
Michael Brown Formard chaired DNC Financial Community on DC as well.
Let's get right into it now. If you want to
understand how these folks think, how these folks operate, what's
on their minds, all you have to do is just

(41:45):
look at in terms of, you know, how they go
about their business. The other day we show y'all some
of that in terms of these Republicans in terms of,
you know, just how they move. So he's a perfect example.
So Jimmy patronis out of Florida put out this statement. Here,
give me one second. I'm gonna try to pull it up.

(42:08):
He goes, I support a renewed redistrict team for effort
for Florida. If Texas can do it, the free state
of Florida can do it ten times better. Also, y'all,
fair districts is unconstitutional because it violates freedom of speech
and elections or a states rights issue. The more power
to the states, the better. Okay, here's the problem with that, y'all.

(42:30):
The folks in Florida literally put that right there the
fair districts in the state constitution. So it's a little
hard to run around that. Now, the governor of California,
so this is his response to this headline and the
Texas Tribune Newson will move to redrug California maps. If
Texas Redistrict's team up national fight, he goes FAFO and

(42:53):
he's absolutely right. You've got Kathy Holkell, give me one second.
Saw this earlier. I was at the US Black Chamber, Inc.
And I was checking this out. Kathy Hochel, she is
the governor of New York and she is now weighing
in on this very issue, making it clear that yo,

(43:20):
she will move to take some action when it comes
to Jared Mandarin as well. And the thing here, Michael,
I want to start with you is real simple. Okay,
Republicans y'all want to start this fight. Go ahead, but
the most populous states in the country are blue. So

(43:45):
let's do the map California. I saw one analysis where
they said they could literally flip the map in California
to fifty two to zero based upon districts Kamala Harris one.
So you got California, you got oh, you got Maryland,

(44:06):
you got Illinois, you got Virginia. Hey, my whole deal
is you tell dims go for broke, change the whole
damn thing. And when they start crying, you say, okay,
let's do a national Jerry manderband. Oh y'all Republicans, y'all
voted against that in Congress.

Speaker 26 (44:26):
Michael, absolutely, and thanks for having me Roland, and I
certainly hope that those three governors that you mentioned start
putting the pieces together, start talking to the particular state
representatives that they can count on, and start putting these
drawing their own maps. Be prepared if Texas pulls the

(44:48):
trigger and does it and executes, you're ready to do
the same.

Speaker 20 (44:52):
Now.

Speaker 26 (44:52):
The only question is if Texas does not pull the trigger,
should the states you just mentioned it anyway?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Oh, for first of all, that that that's Michael, that
ain't even a question Texas is going to do it.
I mean that that ain't even that. That ain't even
the UK say the horse left the barn, the ship
is up the pot. Bottom line is they are prioritizing
redrawing districts over focusing on flooding that killed almost two

(45:23):
hundred people. That right there tells you exactly what the
focus of Governor Greg Abbey is.

Speaker 26 (45:31):
So if that's the if that's the issue you're referring to,
then absolutely those particular blue governors and the blue state
representative bodies should absolutely get ready be prepared so the
if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah. Absolutely, commission to Simmons. You see right here, this
is Governor Cafe Hokel of New York State. I won't
sit by while Donald Trump and Texas Republicans trout to
steal our nation's future. And I think what she should
say is, Okay, y'all flip five. I'm a flip five.
And Newsom should say I'm a flip ten. And again Maryland, Illinois, Virginia.

(46:12):
If I'm Democrats, I say, yo, let's pick up twenty
twenty five seats.

Speaker 15 (46:18):
Exactly what we being so nice for is what you're
exactly right, Abbod. This is happening in the Texas House
the period point blank. They got the votes, they jacked
around and had some check the box play play public hearings,

(46:40):
didn't have a map to show the people or.

Speaker 14 (46:43):
A redistricting proposal.

Speaker 15 (46:44):
This is a foregone conclusion, and we don't have the
votes in the Texas legislature to do anything about it.
So it is incumbent upon those other governors to take action.
No need to wait, there's no need to win.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
The thing here, greg is, you are facing evil. You're
facing an individual and a party that is corrupt to
their core. Republicans today in Congress voted down an amendment
that would have kept the United States from giving Trump

(47:30):
this refurbished billion out with this jet from Cutters. Okay,
so they are sanctioning corruption. So let's just be real clear.
I don't want to hear another one of these bullshit
speeches from Senata Corey Booker or any House member. My
dear friend, I know your heart, I know you're a

(47:52):
person of decency. I don't want to hear the honorable
so and so. These people are not honorable, are not decent,
they're not fair, they're not moral. And when you're facing
someone like that, you treat them accordingly.

Speaker 20 (48:09):
You do.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
You do, unless you don't.

Speaker 11 (48:15):
And our dear brother, Corey Booker is speaking a language
they don't understand.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
And anyone who would say, well, you have to. When
they go low, we go high.

Speaker 11 (48:26):
With all due respect to our former first Lady Michelle
Obama and anyone else who thinks that way, you're not
a student of American history. I simply have to get
back into trenches because I don't want to see another black.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Table commercial for one that we already did. Although David
Pepper is a.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Personal this question of redistrescing, but one of the first
people were going to schedule to talk to is the
author of this brand new biography of Charles Sumner, a
remarkable senator. So Senator Booker, I would really strongly advised
you whether to read the biography of Charles some to
read what he wrote, and read the new book. The
book ends with Charles Sumner on his deathbed imploring the

(49:11):
United States Senate to pass what became the Civil Rights
Act of eighteen seventy five, which was ultimately overturned by
the Supreme Court and sabotaged by the House representatives. But
I bring it up for this reason. Chaul Sumner, who
if anybody, if people know him at all, they probably
know from when Preston Books of South Carolina beat him
within an inch of his life on the floor of

(49:32):
the United States Senate. Chaul Sumner had no compromise. He
is the major architect of reconstruction legislation. We're talking about,
not only did Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six,
but the thirteen, fourteenth and fifteenth Amendments. Charles Someon is
very important figure. Why do I bring up Charles Sumner
at this juncture. I am not alarmed. I'm excited because

(49:55):
this is the thing about these hillbillies and vice su premiacy.
What you see is that corruption and overreach in the
history of the United States walk hand in hand. The
eighteen fifties, in the eighteen sixties leading up to the
Civil War, you see some of the most corrupt, some
of the nastiest pieces of work in terms of open
white supremacists in the history of this country at work.

(50:19):
And if you're going to beat them, you have to
simply decide you're going to break their political backs.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
Charles someone understood that.

Speaker 11 (50:26):
The Fugitive Slave Act of eighteen fifty where they could
just put their hands on you and say you have
no rights, and next thing you know, you're working on
a damn plantation in Louisiana, like Solomon Norfork, which is
of course the evening that we met the first time
twelve years of slave Well.

Speaker 8 (50:42):
Yes, what what the hell do you think isis?

Speaker 11 (50:46):
Is I'm sorry they call it ice, but it's isis
they put your hands on you, and the hillbility in
charge of it says we can stop people based on
how they look.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
It is an echo of that time.

Speaker 11 (50:55):
So at this moment, what we are seeing is the
same type of in a different age of what preceded
the Civil War, when South Carolina decided they would rather
leave than obey the constitution.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
Well, guess what, Governor.

Speaker 11 (51:10):
Abbott, my friend, I applaud you, my friend, because what
you're going to understand, you, he'll Billy, is that when
you break it this time, nobody's going to put on
a uniform and save it. When Gavin Newsom said, as
he has said today, that perhaps we'll have a special
election on November fourth and put to the to the
ballot the question of redistricing, and Cathy Holckell is no

(51:32):
flaming liberal, She's a centrist Democrat is going to follow suit.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
JB.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Pritzker in Illinois follows suit yess what. The cold Civil
War is now moving to the hot phase.

Speaker 11 (51:42):
And finally, this hillbillity in Florida that you quoted talking
about the First Amendment taking his cues from John Roberts,
because that's absolutely John Roberts's gospel and talking about states rights.
Will guess what that works both ways. If you're not
going to give disaster relief to Republican districts in Maryland
to because Wes Moore is the governor, well guess what

(52:02):
You're gonna stop paying Texas and once them hill Billy
starts screaming bloody murder in Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas
and South Carolina, well guess what those of us who
were caught up in it are gonna Maybe will feel
enough pain to get involved in the political process and
vote enough people into the federal legislature so that the
Freedom to Vote Act will pass. And maybe we won't,
but I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm excited because

(52:24):
it's gonna always have to come down to this. You
don't break white supremacy with kind words, you break its
back with power.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
No, this is not a moment for folk to be scared.
This is a moment literally where it requires fighters. I
remember saying. Reverend Willie Wilson was preaching in Dallas and

(52:53):
he talked about there was a church break in and
some thug stole the equipment in the church. They stole
the musical instruments and all kinds of stuff like that,
and so they went to the pulpit. He went to
the pulpit that Sunday and he said, he said, I

(53:13):
need y'all to put the word out on the street
in DC. Were looking for our stuff, he said, But
I don't need y'all simple Christians. He said, I need
some of my former thug Christians to roll with media
and get our equipment. And then they found out where

(53:33):
the equipment was and rolled up on the place and
got the equipment and got some other stuff from there
as well. See, this ain't a moment for the week
to meet the quiet, the nice, No, no, no, no.
This is where you need some democratic gangsters who said
I'm gonna take y'all out one by one. I'm gonna

(53:57):
make y'all feel And every time JD. Vance tweets, oh
my god, this is unfair, then they say take another seat.
Then when they start complaining again, take another seat, and
that's what you do. That's how you make them pay.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, definitely, I wasn't sure where you were going with
that at first. I wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Well, that's why I know where I'm going. If you
just listen, you will know where I'm going.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
The man you tell you saying to listen, I haven't
gotten six words out before you.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Because I just talked to Well, you ain't know where
I was going. That's why I've explained to where I
was going. You need some gangsters when you in a fight.
You don't bring folk who believe in diplomacy. You bring
folk who ready to swing. Now you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
He finished my thought. Thank you very much, Thank you
very much. As a person who's literally just finished a
book chapter today arguing for the coexistence of diplomacy and deterrence,
I do believe that we definitely need to be stronger
and strategically stronger. If we have the option to do
a thing, we should do that thing. If California, if

(55:07):
New York, if Chicago can actually you know, implement the
same sort of strategy that they did in Texas, I
say we go for it. I think this hemming and haueing,
and which I understand from the perspective of you're trying
to figure out if I make this move, is the
person in office you know, two or three years down
the line, would they do it and use it against

(55:27):
It's all these things that go into this type of thinking.
That's what we don't have the luxury of. We don't
have the luxury of the hemming and the awing. We
don't have the luxury of kind of thinking through when
we are already here. We're not having this conversation proactively.
We are here and the people need to rally around something.

(55:50):
They need to believe in someone, and they need to
be inspired, and right now they are still searching for it.
So I say, if this is an option, we should
definitely the trigger on that and exercise that option.

Speaker 15 (56:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
And Commissioner Simmons, who you got? I mean, they are
literally using tax payer money, as you said, to pay
Uh this racist organization. Folks should be raising Holy hell.
And every time that little uh, that little mascot county
judge of yours starts whining and complaining, Uh, they should

(56:23):
sit here and say, all right, we're gonna boycott your house.

Speaker 14 (56:27):
Hey, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But I'm not
gonna on this.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
On this, you ain't got no, no, no, you ain't
gotta say it. I said it. If y'all in town County,
hey laws are all out protests at his house, that's right,
start at six am. Wake his ass up. See this
is this is these people. They are trying to lock

(56:53):
in power for the next fifty two one hundred years.
They do not want to see black advancement, brown advancement.
They are absolutely they are white nationalists.

Speaker 15 (57:08):
Because let me tell you what Elisa Simmons is going
to pull up and stop doing, is going to these rallies,
public hearings, all this stuff about redistricting. I had a
seven hour Commissioner's Court meeting, and so grateful that all

(57:29):
of the white allies, the African American groups, the D nine,
the Hispanic organism, so glad that we had five six
hundred people show up. And I had a redistricting public
hearing in my precinct that lasted five hours. I went

(57:49):
to the redistricting deal, the congressional, the state thing Monday
night that was five or six hours long. If we
don't stop talking, see Alisa Simmons is not going to Austin.
If one more person asked me to go to another
rally in Austin, I get it. People want elected officials

(58:12):
to speak and do the wrong. What are we talking about.
If all those busloads of people going to Austin for
something coming, I'm not going.

Speaker 14 (58:25):
If they were.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Mobilized, hitting these doors, talking to people, they going to
Austin to to do what go beg talk try do
you are not convincing these racist clowns to change.

Speaker 14 (58:44):
Not one vote now, one vote will change.

Speaker 15 (58:46):
But all of this, my sorority group, I'm just looking
at all all these who's going to Austin?

Speaker 14 (58:53):
This bus's got this? I'm like, lord, what what are
we doing? At the beginning of the day and at
the end of the day. The Terran county map the.

Speaker 15 (59:07):
State of Texas congressional maps are an expression of intentional
racial discrimination, designed to silence our voices, designed to eliminate
our representatives that will I was elected by the I

(59:28):
was elected by the people, and I told you it
was a competitive district, not just by Democrats, not just
by black You can't win in my precinct by black
and brown people voting for you.

Speaker 14 (59:40):
Or just Democrats. And so these maps have taken away.

Speaker 15 (59:46):
Essentially, I'm faithful, I believe in God, but has deluded
the voting strength of minorities to elect their candidate of choice.
So Precinct one one now in Terran County becomes almost
eighty eight eighty something, almost ninety percent Democrat.

Speaker 14 (01:00:10):
That's great. We will have one representative on the Commissioners.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So you're absolutely right. If you're going to expend time,
energy and money, then you spend it where it is wise,
where you have the great return on an investment, and
that's hitting door to door precincts, canvassing. That's what you
have to do because you have to beat these people.
And here's the whole deal. Okay, a lot of these
House seats, the Republicans controlling Texas, they can there are

(01:00:42):
a number that they can be beaten in. Yes, if
folk actually vote. That's just what it boils down to.

Speaker 14 (01:00:49):
Tarran County is fifty to fifty. I mean, it's it's
right there.

Speaker 15 (01:00:54):
And we in Arran County we have according to the
Terran County Democratic Party, we have have more registered Democrats
into your accounty. We got to get pull them out
of their homes into the polls.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yep, there you go, Commissioner Simmons, We appreciate it. Keep
up a good fight, Thank you, sir. Folks, gotta go
to break, we come back. Vice President Kamla Harris drops
the new video. She's got a book out. We'll talk
about that. Also, what's the latest stupid coming out of
the White House. Take your pick, folks. You're watching rolland

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Speaker 11 (01:02:13):
Next on the black Table with me, Greg car Democracy
in the United States is undeceased on this list of
bad actors. It's easy to point out the Donald Trumps,
the Marjorie Taylor Greens, or even the United States Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
As the primary villains.

Speaker 11 (01:02:29):
But as David Pepper, author, scholar, and former politician himself says,
there's another factor that trumps them all and resides much
closer to.

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
Many of our homes.

Speaker 11 (01:02:41):
His book, His Laboratories of Altaker's a wake up call
from behind the lines.

Speaker 12 (01:02:47):
then they jerrymander, they suppress the opposition, and that allows
them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect the
people of that state.

Speaker 11 (01:03:00):
David Pepper joins us on the next Black Table here

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
This week on the other side of change, Duran Mamdani,
that has sent such a shockwave through all of New
York City and really the rest of the country. Jamal Bowman,
Who's going to help us understand what this mayoral election
means and how we make sure that it translates across
the nation.

Speaker 13 (01:03:25):
You imagine national democrats like identifying themselves as having flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Or rears or swag like, absolutely not right, So hopefully
the city does what they can in November to help
resurrect this dying party and honestly just resurrect our democracy
only on the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Other side of change.

Speaker 10 (01:03:44):
On the Black Star Network, Hey, yo, what's up is
mister Dalvin right here?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
What's up?

Speaker 27 (01:03:50):
MISSUS K S S and their representives?

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Ode c otis Jodasy right here and ROLLINGDRD unfiltered? All right, y'all.
Trump's an idiot? Okay? Next door? All right, just messing
with you, folks, But we know that's be true the
twice at Peach criminally convicted fella in chief down the

(01:04:14):
con Trump escalating trade titchens once again, the fresh wave
of terrors had to hit dozens of countries at twelve
o one am on Friday. But but now he's saying, okay, now, Mexico,
I'm not gonna do it. Okay, another country's gonna do it.
That love this here? Hey, South Korea are They're gonna
spend almost five hundred billion with US. So South Korea
is gonna spend a quarter of their GDP do stop line.

(01:04:37):
He threw out Japan, Oh, they're gonna give us five
hundred billion and we're gonna make lots of money. Japans like,
n no, we're not, no, we're not. I mean, we
literally have an idiot who is engaged here. He thinks
that he should get a Nobel Nobel Peace Prize. He
is so jealous of Obama. And so now they're like, oh,

(01:04:57):
don't Trump. He's looking at all the wars that he stopped.
That's also shear stupidity. Now we have the idiot announcing, oh,
we're gonna build a two hundred million dollar ballroom at
the White House because that's what we need. And so
he's personally overseen the construction of this of this new ballroom. Okay,

(01:05:20):
y'all like seriously, now we have existing facilities in the
White House, but he's like, no, no, no, we need
a new ballroom. And so you know what's gonna happen.
It's gonna be gold shit everywhere. I mean, you know,
it's gonna be one of the ugliest damn rooms you've
ever seen. And so what he's doing is he's literally

(01:05:44):
trying to turn the White House into that piece of
crap place where he is at mar Largo. So this
is a rendering that they posted that we should do
number So we got that, and then he's gonna get
the billionaire jet being less so that federal governments see
I know this here. The federal government is going to

(01:06:05):
pay more than a billion dollars to upgrade the jet
from Qatari government, and then Republican Republicans are going to
vote to go ahead and just give it to him
when he leaves office. Now he's already enriched himself by
upwards of eight hundred million dollars as well. And so
what we really have here, Nola, is an undeniable grift.

(01:06:28):
They have decided, you know what, we didn't really rape
and pillage America enough the first time. Let's really do
it now. They're like the vikings of old let's just
rape and pillage everything.

Speaker 28 (01:06:44):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
And that signals to me that he has no intention
on coming out, honey, anytime soon, that that presidency is
going to turn into what is it called prime prime agenita.
It's going to turn into a monarchy. You were just
spending and spending on the backs of Americans, on the
backs of three hundred thousand plus black women who are

(01:07:07):
out there looking for full time employment, myself included. You
are doing it on the backs of other federal workers
who you just completely displaced. You were doing it on
the backs of folks who lost their medicaid, on the
backs of folks who are going to have to pay
more as a result of these tariffs. So you are
doing all this on the backs of Americans as if

(01:07:28):
you are the grossest and I mean the grossest example
mythicological creature of a king that you know we could
ever encounter in our nightmares. You know, this is really
none of this is typical. None of this as usual.
We're used to that. And I think my question is

(01:07:49):
it's a legal question, because I do believe he's coming
out one way or the other.

Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
He is coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I do not think it's going to be some you know,
Trump version of a monarchy. But my question is legal.
All this stuff that they are doing in broad daylight
is somebody keeping score. I mean, I know last time
Rachel Maddow had that wall of all his crimes, but
I'm dead serious. With solicitors General's offices being pretty much dismantled,

(01:08:16):
civil rights across all the agencies being dismantled, who is
keeping score of all these crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Well, when you are, when you have got media kissing
your ass and sucking up to you, that's kind of hard. Michael.
I love this here, I do. And let me just
be real clear, y'all. I have no problem putting this
on the table. You know, we often say no, I
don't want to see people harmed. I don't want to
see people lose their homes. I don't want to see

(01:08:44):
people lose their way of life. I don't want to
see any of those things.

Speaker 20 (01:08:49):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
If you voted for Trump and you're not complaining about
ice deporting people, I don't mind if you go bankrupt.
I don't because you supported this. See I remember reading
in history, and I believe this was a huge mistake

(01:09:12):
by Lincoln in the North, allowing the racist plantation owners
to reassert an oath to the United States to get
their property back. Now you don't get it back. So
take this fool in Alabama. Okay, No, you may this
fool may go bankrupt because of the workers. But he says,

(01:09:36):
I still staying with Trump. I hope he loses everything.
Watch this huge job for the community.

Speaker 29 (01:09:43):
Well, the community's gonna miss out if we can't get
it finished.

Speaker 30 (01:09:46):
Superintendent Robbie Robertson, who chose to conceal his face, told
Reuters that it was a recent ice raid on a
job site in Florida, more than two hundred miles away
that spooked his staff.

Speaker 29 (01:09:58):
I know that we have lost a lot of our
workers because of they're hearing about these raids. We have
got some of them back, but we're still We're now
about half capacity, which basically hurts our work production.

Speaker 30 (01:10:13):
Immigration raids on building sites, part of an expanding crackdown
by President Donald Trump on work sites across the country,
are causing major disruptions to the construction industry.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
According to Reuter's interviews.

Speaker 30 (01:10:26):
Robertson said his company faces a four thousand dollars penalty
for every day it runs past it's November first deadline,
already a potential cost of eighty four thousand dollars.

Speaker 29 (01:10:37):
And those raids happen a good bit away from here.
There's a lot of closer jobs than this one, so
I know they're all being affected as well.

Speaker 30 (01:10:45):
About one point four million of the roughly eleven million
people in the US illegally work in construction, more than
any other industry. That's according to the Migration Policy Institute,
a nonpartisan think tank, and construction industry leaders say those
workers are hard to replace with native born Americans because

(01:11:06):
most don't have the skills.

Speaker 29 (01:11:08):
They're willing to do it. The Hispanic descent, they basically
are stepping up into do some of the hard work.
But I'm a Trump's board, like I said, and I
do think there is a way to go about doing this,
But I just don't think the raids is the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Oh really, Michael, I hope Robbie goes bankrupt.

Speaker 26 (01:11:33):
And Robbie, who clearly is not showing his face or
his identity, I guess we know his name, Robbie. White
supremacy is more important to him and others like him,
where they think like him. It is more important than

(01:11:53):
their own self preservation. And that's hard to compete with
when Democrats are talking about when we are talking about
messaging of policy democracy, none of that matters if white
supremacy is your top priority. And so as people of

(01:12:15):
color and black people and brown folks continue to rise
both economically politically political power, that's a problem. And so
if my farm or company or business, or I lose
my home, but that's okay, because we have a president
that supports white supremacy. That's what I care about the most,

(01:12:37):
for a lot of people, not all, not all white
folks obviously, but many.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
And then of course you have the black face Maga,
who I call the help folks like so called pastor
who we've never heard of, so called this author of
a book we've never heard of. But because Maga promotes him,

(01:13:06):
now all of a sudden, Vince Ellis gets some airtime.
So listen to this food speaking at the Racist Turning
Point USA Conference, And We're going to.

Speaker 31 (01:13:16):
Continue to do these great things and for these people,
for these people. Don't want to complain, don't want to
sit back, who want to cry, who want to talk
about how hard it is, I'll tell you what will
do for you. You want to talk about DEI, Diversity,
equity and inclusion. Yeah you do need DEI because you're inferior.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah you need it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:41):
I don't need it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
You walk into my world with.

Speaker 31 (01:13:45):
A DEI stemp on your chest and I'm gonna slit
your throat. I want to see you come telling me
you didn't earn it. I want to see you coming
to my world talk about I need a respect and
I need a handout. Yeah, I'm gonna be smiling at you. Boy,
take it away, Greg.

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
I love him, my man, he says, name William Hannibal Thomas.
Is that who did it?

Speaker 11 (01:14:11):
Was a remarkable, remarkable Uncle Tom from the late nineteenth
or twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
I love it.

Speaker 11 (01:14:17):
See when you see when you see what does Lauren
Victoria Burke call these negroes a consensual When you see
a consensual man servant like that, he's he's got that
Byron Donald's energy. He claims he wants to smoke till
the smoke starts. That'll be the first negro to run
up behind his master and say, yeah, I love it.

(01:14:38):
I love that talk. And doctor Haynes, it's plenty for
being kept. You know, the Supreme Court justices have to
go to different circuits. They all get a signed circuits.
I thinkji on Yaka Brown Jackson as the first circuit,
and memory serves me correctly. Brett Kavanaugh has the eighth circuit.
He spent a little overra hour yesterday or today try

(01:14:58):
to defend the rocket docket, the shadow docket, and this
chicanery they're engaged in the Supreme court, and he said
in the course of his remarks that he that he
reads all the blogs and listens to social media and
all that he has to stay aware of it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
He's aware all the criticism. Beer Cavan now knows what's coming.

Speaker 11 (01:15:18):
And so you know, even as the courts now and
the Federal Court of Appeals is hearing an appeal now
on these ridiculous tarffs, realizing that the word tariff doesn't
even appear in the legislation that King Trump, but would
be King Trump is using.

Speaker 8 (01:15:34):
What's going to end up. There are two things.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
Going on, Roland. You put it perfectly, brother. First of
all all these deals, the world is laughing you just
by the way, Donald Trump trying to defend your friend,
the Trump of the Tropics in Brazil. You probably just
got Lula to silver reelected in Brazil. Congratulations, you plown.
The EU wrote some stuff on paper that ain't worth

(01:15:57):
the paper it's printed on, because it's Paul Krugman explained
in The New Republic, the EU is not the government.
So when they told you they're gonna invest how what
six hundred and fifty billionaire full that ain't the governments.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
Of the EU.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
They ain't gonna give you shit, but you but.

Speaker 20 (01:16:13):
I got a deal.

Speaker 11 (01:16:14):
They're gonna invest all this money they plagued you. Paul
Krukman walked the whole thing and Fadly. This is the
thing that's hilarious about it. If you got a fifteen
percent tariff on cars coming from Europe, and there are
a lot of cars that come from europ and the
United States, and you got like a twenty five percent
tariff on the Canadian automobiles. The stuff in the Canadian
automobiles was made in Michigan and Minnesota. Cross the border,

(01:16:37):
come back in. Guess who that's gonna hurt. It's gonna
kill your voters in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
All those states.

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
And it's gonna be cheaper to buy a European car
than the one that your people put the car seats
in and the seat belts and the radios and I
and send it over the border to come back. Meanwhile,
the Mexicans are looking to make deals with the Canadians,
who are looking to make deals with the Europeans. The
Brazilians are looking to even up the trade with the Chinese,
and they are building an economic system that is literally

(01:17:04):
gonna punch and collapse in the chest of the United
States of America. I say, march old, my friend, and
take your man serving with you, because every such of
clothes that fool got on his back was made somewhere
outside of the United States.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
Let's see him give that same speech but asked naked.
In about a year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Meanwhile, inflation is still up, just like despite Trump's campaign
promise to bring prices down, well the six months into
the second term, the relief hasn't shown up yet. This
idiot who seems utterly clueless about everyday life. He just
insists prices are way down for everything.

Speaker 10 (01:17:45):
You know, if you think inflation, I've already taken care of.
Prices are way down for everything, groceries, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
In fact, that was a conversation on Fox News. Uh,
and the help has Falker, who claims to be a
news anchor who's really nothing more than a Maga loving
Trump anchor, got body on our own show using a
Fox News poll. Watch this.

Speaker 22 (01:18:20):
Who do you think this really does come down to
having to impress the American people?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Right now? Is your party?

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
Mike?

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
You guys are not all moving in concert with one another.

Speaker 32 (01:18:32):
No, I mean we lost the last election, so we're
having a lot of tough conversations about how we build
a new Democratic party.

Speaker 14 (01:18:37):
That'll keep happening until we elevate a new candidate.

Speaker 32 (01:18:39):
What I'll tell you, though, is I think both political
parties are completely out of touch with the.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
Day to day lives most of Americans.

Speaker 32 (01:18:44):
There's a lot of pulling out in the last couple
of weeks talking about how frustrated people are with inflation
and pricing and housing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
And things like that.

Speaker 22 (01:18:51):
The GDP, actually, Harris, the GDP just hopped to three percent.
I mean, we haven't it'll be a very long time.

Speaker 32 (01:19:02):
If I can point you to Foxes on pulling, Trump
is negative thirty percent on pricing and the inflation. It's
as unpopular as Joe Biden never was. So the American
people are pretty frustrated with where their lives are right now.
There's a navigator pull out, just as Smarting or yesterday,
that has a lot of Americans saying there were something
they were six months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I love that when when you get back check, Okay,
all right, we gotta we gotta well, we gotta move on.
I don't know why you brought that shit up. Make
me look real stupid, but yeah, we got to move on,
So I don't know why you had to sit here
and embarrassed me on my own network, make me a
look like a food. But then again, Harris fucked her
is known for never ever doing any kind of fact

(01:19:40):
checking whatsoever. She just goes on and spouts all sorts
of nonsense. But what you're seeing, though, is you're seeing
the reality of what's going on. And see what's been
happening is all these companies have been scared to death
to raise prices, Michael, because they want to piss Trump off.
Now they're like, okay, you know what, we can't keep
getting eye ass, kid, We just can't keep doing that.

(01:20:01):
So you got Procter and Gamble Annalynsis, Yeah, we're gonna
raise this here. How about this here twenty two when
when Biden was president, the price of beef was four
dollars and fifty cents. Now it's six twelve cents. A
new record, boy, How about that, Michael, boy, those prices
are really tumbling down?

Speaker 8 (01:20:21):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Is that what we call it new math? That when
it goes up, it's down.

Speaker 26 (01:20:27):
Now, that's that's Trump and the GOP's math. They just
say whatever they want, whether it's true or not.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
They say it.

Speaker 26 (01:20:36):
Obviously, they get fact checked on channels that they know
their supporters don't watch. So when they say things on
channels that their supporters do watch, they believe pretty much
anything he says. So half the country knows the truth.
The other half says, Oh, he's working on it, it'll
come down. Problem is he campaigned to fix all these issues.

(01:20:59):
I think the term use on day one, whether it's wars,
the world is on fire, whether it's inflation not doing
what he thought it would do, Prices are going up.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
His tariff strategy is a disaster.

Speaker 26 (01:21:13):
So when they these Republicans talk about promises made, promises kept,
I'm not sure what they're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Well, and in fact, Richard Quest, of course senior business
course Bondent, he just st of just laughed at all
these trade announcements because see what this fool does, Nola
is he doesn't announce this shit. He just announces it
and like it. And they're like, hey, Trump said it.
But even though it's a lot checked this out.

Speaker 14 (01:21:45):
The deals.

Speaker 28 (01:21:45):
Let's talk about the deals, right, So we've got the
deal with the European Union, which somebody has already described
as buy in the sky. They simply will not buy
that amount of energy? I know, will they invest that
amount of money. We have the deal with Japan where
nobody knows why the six hundred and fifty billion dollar's
worth of investment is going to come from.

Speaker 8 (01:22:02):
Nobody.

Speaker 28 (01:22:02):
The Japanese admit they don't know where it's going to
come from. We've got the deal announced today with the
South Koreans. What Donald Trump has brilliantly done. Brilliantly done.
He wanted a headline number and it's around fifteen percent.
But the underlying terms of trade deals are garbeg.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
So, Richard, Richard, Richard, what deal would you have preferred?

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
How do you well are?

Speaker 33 (01:22:25):
What details of the deal would suffice for you?

Speaker 28 (01:22:28):
I would have liked them to have negotiated a proper
long term.

Speaker 33 (01:22:32):
What's prettyal Let's focus on the word pravate, where the
you keep saying this, but you're giving no specificity whatsoever.
I consider her name of a bunch of random ridiculous
no that means absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Nothing else, just like no.

Speaker 28 (01:22:44):
Because they've actually announced the European deal where supposedly six give.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Specifics about when they're back to see so they can't
see me. Give an alternative he.

Speaker 33 (01:22:53):
Gives specifics for what would be a deal that would
satisfy your critique, A.

Speaker 28 (01:22:56):
Long term trade relationship deal that doesn't really lie on
a fictitious.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Amount of investment.

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
The Japan deal. The Japan Deal, No, no, no, listen it.

Speaker 28 (01:23:07):
The Japan Deal envisages six hundred and fifty billion dollars
worth of investment, but nobody says by whom, or how
or the penalty against it is literally making it up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
So let me let me let they're good at Noah,
making that shit up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Absolutely, they're good at it, and they have perfected how
to be good at it. They say it confidently, and
they overtalk you, they bully you, just like you know
what we just saw there. The expert was being questioned
by someone who was just trying to deflect from what
the guy was saying because it was landing. It was

(01:23:48):
landing and resonating with folks. But this issue about how
they literally just say anything, and where media is right now,
where corporate and mainstream media is right now, they're not
going to push back, they're not going to ask any
hard questions. And it was to shift that narrative because
you know, everything was Epstein Epstein Epstein. I talked about
this on my show Nightcap on Tuesday. I talked about

(01:24:10):
this very intersection that this tarr Uff supposed, this EU
Terruff deal is designed so you won't be thinking about Epstein,
which is why everyone should still be thinking about Epstein
even if there's no there there. This is an issue
that really really bothers him, and it bothers his base.
So you know the fact that he's doing I'm not

(01:24:33):
shocked that he's lying. I'm not shocked that he's making
up deals that have no teeth. I'm not shocked about
any of it. But here we are. He has successfully
changed the narrative because we are talking about it, and
what we're not talking about is Epstein to no no.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Actually actually, but he has to change the narrative because
the rights dot letting go of it. So it's the
whole point. He's trying to throw everything at it and
they're just all getting added on to it. But I
do got to play this. I thought this was fabulous. Again,
this is what happens, and I need people to understand.
If y'all ever seen the little shell game that the
Frausters play, okay, uh, a master of the shell game

(01:25:13):
on CNN is Scott Jennings, Uh, that smug idiot from Kentucky,
one of the brokest states in America that will be
decimated by Medicaid cuts and snap benefits. But he doesn't
care because he got a new contract to CNN. Even
Abby Phillip just saying, you know what, I'm sick of
your bull of shit that's dead. What she didn't watch this?

Speaker 27 (01:25:38):
It's actually much start. Yes, a seconds, You're much simpler
than this. Just one second, cause I think it's super
important to understand, Scott, what was happening in April of
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Twenty twenty five?

Speaker 27 (01:25:49):
What was happening then President President announced resident that week
the first week of April.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
What did he have President was implementing?

Speaker 14 (01:25:56):
When did he announce Scott TERRFF agenda?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
And what were those tariff levels?

Speaker 33 (01:25:59):
And well they were different for different okay, so but
every single person predicted calamity got.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
You can't collapse here?

Speaker 10 (01:26:08):
And what were those tariff levels?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
They were different yet not just different, they.

Speaker 27 (01:26:13):
Were two to three times higher than the current TERFF levels.
Did those tariffs go into place?

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Scott? It's different for every coot is for every simple question.
Did those tariffs go into place, he has some of
the terriffts.

Speaker 14 (01:26:27):
Yes or no, he has delayed.

Speaker 27 (01:26:31):
Implemented any of the tariff levels that Trump announced on
that week.

Speaker 14 (01:26:36):
Did they ever in some tariffs have been implemented, some
have been delayed, and some deals.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
The answer is they did not. They just.

Speaker 14 (01:26:43):
Some tariffs have been implemented.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Those quotes, that's why we have all those money.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Actually here, we have them there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
You guys are so mad.

Speaker 8 (01:26:55):
Why are you rooting for Collier?

Speaker 20 (01:26:58):
Is this table root for foiliers?

Speaker 29 (01:26:59):
Please?

Speaker 28 (01:27:00):
Because you are saying that your rul you're taking a
number of forty fifty sixty percent fuck in April, and
you're comparing it to a number of ten fifteen percent.

Speaker 33 (01:27:14):
Now, fine, but it is a strategy to negotiate and
create leverage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Sky gives completely.

Speaker 8 (01:27:21):
Okay, here's remock.

Speaker 27 (01:27:21):
I will let you talk, But I just have to say,
completely disingenuous to suggest, I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:27:27):
Sure you are lack calling for research.

Speaker 27 (01:27:29):
Escape me give me one second. You called for give
me one second, please let me finish. It is completely
disingenuous to suggest that what economists said would happen if
Trump imposed fifty and sixty percent. Oh, let's let's jump
all the way up to one hundred and thirty five
percent level of tariffs on this economy would have been
a recession. Those levels never happened, which is why there

(01:27:51):
has been no recession.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
It's the levels of let me explain what happens when
you were smug asshole like Sky Jennings. So this is
the shell game. Trump threw out terrorists of seventy five
one hundred hundred and twenty five percent economists said, you
do that, We're gonna go into recession. Jerome Powell said,

(01:28:14):
you do that, yo, we're not We're not cutting interest rates.
What happened is everybody, remember see what the Scotts of
the world I want to bring up. And that's why
the other panel should have done this. What happened to
the stock market when he threw those announcements out, What
happened to the bond market. And that's when Jamie Diamond

(01:28:37):
and others were like, hey, hey, yo, I'm gonna need
y'all a chill. I need y'all a chill on these tears.
You gotta understand what y'all about to do. And so
all of a sudden they were like, hey, this gonna
did this ain't gonna work. This ain't gonna work. Okay.
Now Jamie Diming is saying, you know what, it wasn't

(01:28:59):
bad things? Okay. Why is he saying that? Because they
actually forced Trump to back down. But see, so a
maga fool likes Scott Jennings. Oh no, no, no, y'all
predicted the economy is going to fall through, the fall
through the floor. And it didn't. Yeah, dumb ass, because
the tarts didn't go into place. He announced me. He

(01:29:19):
pulled him back. He announced me, he pulled them back.
He announced me, he pulled him back. That's what happened.
But see, liars like Scott Jennings never want to talk
about that because what they want to do is convince people.
Oh no, y'all were the crazy ones. No, no, we
weren't crazy. The fool who you kissed more ass than
Millennia Trump is the crazy one. So y'all just gonna

(01:29:42):
understand how the shell game is all being played, and
we're gonna always call it out, including people like smug,
maga idiot Scott Jennings, who will do anything to stay
in Trump's good graces because it used to be a
Trump opposer. But it's a lot sweeter financially when you

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Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
So if y'all, this is Wendell Haskins aka Win Hogan
at the original teath Golf Classic and you know our
watch Roland Martin Unfiltered Fox. The rise of mental health
struggles among young black youth is becoming a growing part
of everyday conversation, and it could be impacting someone close

(01:33:28):
to you. A recent report from the a coma project
and nonprofit focused on supporting the mental health needs of
young people of color, reveal some alarming stats. More than
forty percent of black youth ages thirteen to seventeen seriously
considered suicide in the past year, thirty eight percent reported
engaging in self harm. More than sixteen percent actually attempted

(01:33:49):
suicide at least once. Joining us now is doctor Tatiyana Melndez,
a licensed psychotherapist an advocate for youth mental health dot
gladys see you again. I reached out to you because
doing great, doing great. I reached out to you because
so when I know a friend had to deal with this,

(01:34:11):
She had a relative and her relative's daughter took her
life nineteen years old, and she said she and the
family just totally devastated. And I know several other folks
the same thing. And so for the longest that was
a huge gap between suicide rates among white youth and

(01:34:36):
black youth. What the hell happened?

Speaker 34 (01:34:40):
I mean, I think we can look at a few
things here, you know, some of the statistics you mentioned,
as I kind of did a little bit of my
own researcher just to kind of get an update. You know,
it's just it ros I think by one hundred and
forty four percent, which is the sharpest increase across all
racial ethnic groups. And I I think when you look
at like the contributing factors, there's a lot of things.

(01:35:03):
There's this growing crisis and.

Speaker 10 (01:35:04):
Despite this historical misconception, the rates have soort. That's just
what it is in the last two decades.

Speaker 34 (01:35:11):
And when you look at systemic inequalities, you have stigma,
you have this under resource of mental health infrastructure.

Speaker 10 (01:35:20):
It all plays a role.

Speaker 34 (01:35:21):
And so I think if we can move into a
space where we have you know, culturally responsive pure land strategies,
maybe more community driven advocacy, accessible crisis support, we can
definitely shift the narratives. But if we look back, you know,
in the nineteen nineties, you know, suicide was more common
in adults. You see it now in young youth, children

(01:35:44):
and especially black black youth.

Speaker 24 (01:35:47):
And so I think with.

Speaker 34 (01:35:50):
You know, social media, it's one of the big ones.
I dis like it, but you know it's there, it's
out there, and you know, we just have to figure
out what we can.

Speaker 20 (01:35:59):
Do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
One of the things that uh that that we looked
at here this is the Journal of the American Academy
of Child Analysis. Psychiatrist say is Exposure to Racism on
Social Media and acute suicide risk and adlestents of color,
results from an intensive monitoring study. Now, the reason I
pulled this up here is because you talked about social media,

(01:36:23):
and I think it's very hard for baby boomers or
even Gen X uh to understand uh that when we
talk about millennials, Generation Generation Z, gen Z, gen Alpha,
you're literally talking about people who were born into a

(01:36:44):
social media world. So we can see there, I see
the memes we talk about. Yo, don't mess with nobody
in Gen X because they way tougher. And you can
think because we would latch key kids. Uh, they talk
about the rotary phones, the stuff, all stuff that we
that we dealt with when we were were kids. But

(01:37:06):
you're talking about kids who are completely inundated from the
moment they are born. You got two and three year
olds know how to navigate iPads and who can order
stuff from Amazon. So now when you start talking about
all the images, whether we're talking about weight and hair

(01:37:27):
and color and raise all these different things, it is
a different psychological attack than frankly, with what we had
to deal with.

Speaker 34 (01:37:40):
Yeah, I'll tell you when I was growing up, I
didn't have social media, and so one of the things
I made sure I put in place for my daughter,
I didn't allow her to watch TV until she was
maybe five or six.

Speaker 10 (01:37:51):
Years old and.

Speaker 34 (01:37:52):
Social media was definitely off limits. And so I think
now with the parents, they lack either the education or
the empathy or just real conversations.

Speaker 10 (01:38:02):
These parents didn't grow.

Speaker 34 (01:38:03):
Up with the tools, so the emotional and identity related
impacts are often just misunderstood or even minimized. So you
have these kids, they're looking for the likes, they're looking
for the followers, and all this is doing is teaching
kids to equate self worth with validation and all these
external approvals. I mean, now, my daughter was showing me

(01:38:26):
you have like filters and all these space I guess
application all that does is just contribute to Now we
have body image issues, right, you know you have especially
for our young girls, and my daughter did at some point.
I remember her ninth grade year, because all the girls
are on social media, and she just started using social
media and she thought that she was too thin and

(01:38:49):
that was an issue for about six months. And she's
a beautiful girl. However, the girls are being affected. The
lgbt LGBTQ plus community has been affected along with the youth.
But if you have all this, you know, hey, I
need to get a like, I need to get the followers.
I'm going to change the way I look. That's going
to create and give us another layer of issues. But

(01:39:11):
another thing I looked at too was I noticed like
a lot of viral challenges and peer pressure. I mean,
these kids today, the whole fear of missing out foam mode.
They feel like they need to do all these different
things to fit in. That's creating a bigger issue. The
constant scrolling and looking for who's online who's not. All

(01:39:32):
that does is just reduce attention span and increases anxiety,
which isn't really helpful either.

Speaker 10 (01:39:40):
You have the DMS, you have the harassment, you have
this cyber bullying.

Speaker 34 (01:39:43):
All of this leads to depression, isolation, and suicidal thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Well, you talked about the cyber bullying, so I mean, look,
we all can remember if you were dealing with bullying,
you were dealing with bullying between school hours or whether
you were on the bus going from it. Now, with
social media, you literally have bullying twenty four hours a day.
And it's not just you and three or four other
people maybe in the class watching. It's literally now thousands

(01:40:14):
upon thousands all around the country of the world, all day.

Speaker 10 (01:40:21):
Yes, that is the issue.

Speaker 34 (01:40:23):
The social media applications are available at kids youth fingertips.
All day they're at school looking at this stuff. So
just imagine a kid every day wondering if they have followers. Okay,
I don't have any followers to day. Maybe people don't
like me, they don't see me. I'm not beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:40:41):
Maybe I do need to change my image, and you know,
let me keep it with all the challenges.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
And this is not even just I thin people understand.
This ain't just kids. You have college coaches, yes, high
school coaches who are like, get your ass off your
phones at havetime. You have players, even some NFL players,
responding to somebody's comment on social media and during a

(01:41:07):
hat like you playing a professional sport, get your ass
off social media. But again, it is such a psychological driver,
and like, I love these people. It is really from
the mag of people. Look at that you're getting ratio,
or look at that you posted and you only got
eighteen retweets, and I'm like, you gotta be a dumb

(01:41:30):
ass to start counting retweets. I know, but again that's
that whole thing. And then so now imagine it's just
constantly coming down on you, and it's everywhere and liarly, yes,
that phone from the moment they wake up to the
moment they sleep. And I know some parents we've done
that where snatch the phone. No, no, no phones in

(01:41:52):
the room. They're gonna stay right here until time to
go to school. And it's like crack addicts. It's like.

Speaker 10 (01:42:00):
The space, you know, with social media.

Speaker 34 (01:42:02):
When I look at like some of the barriers are
things that can actually be done to help with an
increase in suicidal ideation, you would think that we would
be utilizing or leveraging social media for the good, right,
how about we follow and share more of like the
positive mental health pages.

Speaker 10 (01:42:19):
How can we encourage you know.

Speaker 34 (01:42:21):
The real storytelling and not just highlighting all these reels
that just that are very toxic. And what can we
actually do to call out some of this billion and
support kids who are actually struggling online? But this online
this online interaction is very, very toxic, and we're going
to continue to see an increase in suicidal ideation or

(01:42:42):
suicide is going to continue the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
To the folks, if y'all have not seen the Netflix
documentary The Social Dilemma, folks, watch that. It literally talks
about how the algorithm is programmed to do the very
thing doctor Melndez was talking about in terms of it
was like the moment, it just it feeds into it.
And so now now how you look in your hair

(01:43:08):
and how you talk in your teeth, and oh I
need the fillers and I need this, and I need this,
and it goes just on and on and on, and
it's impacting people right here. And I don't think we
I don't think that we can overestimate just how harmful
it is when it's not being controlled. Great, Carl, I
want to go to you first. You're university professor. Did

(01:43:31):
you see this? You're seeing this in the classroom and
and and so, and just talk about your experiences in
terms of how you've had to navigate this well.

Speaker 11 (01:43:46):
Roland, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
And sister Melndez, thank you for your work and for
leading us in this conversation. I can tell you, brother,
and I think I can comfortably speak for all of
my colleagues, and I know one of them, of course,
is right here, doctor Haynes, Sister Nola. It's been a
complete transformation in the classroom. I think COVID accelerated a

(01:44:09):
process that had already started with this technology transfer. But
I'll tell you what though, and maybe this is where
I'll stop, and I ask you a question about this system, Lindez.
And with the quantum leap past social media to chat GPT,
I have been stunned, even as recently as we just
finished summer school to Howard listening to young people, some

(01:44:32):
of whom have talked about their friends, which I take
as a proxy for some of them.

Speaker 8 (01:44:38):
You think chat GPT is a therapist.

Speaker 11 (01:44:43):
Interacting with artificial intelligence as if it's human. And we
remember the movie a few years ago, Hurt with Scotland.
Johansson voiced the artificial intelligence and this man fell in
love basically with himself. But when you come, when you
compel what happened with the disruption and education in face time,
face to face with with COVID, and the acceleration in

(01:45:04):
the technology and social media, and then you.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
Drop that AI in.

Speaker 11 (01:45:09):
I am not surprised by this really disaster that we
have seen, not only form, because these young people are
struggling and at this point it's out, they're literally talking
to themselves and looking for solutions. I don't know every
say has anything said, but i'd be very fascinated. I'd
be very interesting to hear what you have to say.
System is about this particular function of AI.

Speaker 34 (01:45:29):
You know that is so interesting because yes, I do
think that COVID nineteen, there's there's all these long term impacts,
you know, when we look at like isolation, I do
think there was a lot of miss milestones.

Speaker 10 (01:45:40):
There was you know, the grief and family loss.

Speaker 34 (01:45:43):
Definitely, even for me just been a mental health professional,
there was a mental health system overload where it literally
widened the gap between the need and support. And so
this whole AI, it's something that I'm actually learning about.
My daughter just was teaching me last week. She was
actually asking AI questions and this lady just kept responding.

Speaker 10 (01:46:05):
So it is new to me.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
And I mean it was anything like how do I
need to tell my friend, you know that she shouldn't
be sleeping unprotected?

Speaker 10 (01:46:13):
And it literally gave her a whole narrative of like
what she can say. And so for me, this is new.
I would be interested in learning more about it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
But again, you know, I think it's great and even
though we have that, I do think when we look
at black people in particular, there's still this unique profound
set of obstacles. So we can have the AI, but
then there's still the stigma, there's a shame, there's this
emotional distress that goes unspoken. And I do think that,

(01:46:48):
you know, we still need to have therapy, you know,
because it's one of the things that actually, you know,
help You still have the financial and systemic, you know,
barriers that come.

Speaker 34 (01:46:57):
Up, all the high costs. I try to offer low
costs therapy as much as possible, but then you have
transportation issues, you have a long wait because we can't see.

Speaker 10 (01:47:07):
Everyone, you know, And so I do think the AI
is great.

Speaker 34 (01:47:10):
I just want to make sure that we're not moving
away from like traditional therapy, especially because AI we don't
know how intelligent it is or what they're actually going
to be telling clients, and so, you know, I just
want to make sure that because there's a culture mistrust,
we want to make sure that, you know, clients are
able to trust the mental health system.

Speaker 10 (01:47:31):
But we need something that's in place that actually works.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Absolutely. Nola, you're in the classroom as well. So again,
what we are seeing young folks today who are experiencing
classmates taking their own lives and they're dealing with in
inner cities, dealing with a level of debt that we
never ever saw as well. So all of this stuff

(01:47:55):
is compounded and go right ahead, Nola.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Absolutely, and again I want to thank you both the
way that Greg did for talking about this. Additionally, there's
also a lot of awareness that's happening around sex trafficking
in the black community today. Actually, so I'm happy that
people were talking about these issues that are typically taboo
and left in the vault, right and in the community

(01:48:20):
vault right. But you know, one of the things that
I that I see in my classroom, my students will
pay attention because I still old school lecture, but it's
the conversations that you hear when they're settling into class
and when they're leaving class, and it typically is some

(01:48:40):
level of insecurity that they're grappling with. And one of
the things that this takes me to is the doll
test in Brown v Board. And it takes me there
because I wonder, is there some way to be able
to measure or to be able to kind of like
locate you know, the effects that this is having on

(01:49:03):
young kids before they get to suicide. You know, what
I'm saying, like is there some sort of preventative measure
that can happen so we can catch this before the
insecurities just grow in so many different directions that there's
just nothing left to do because their entire lives are
not only recorded, but they're scored. You know, I grew

(01:49:26):
up as azllennial, you know, where men have their scorekeeping
and women we have our scorekeeping, but these kids are
literally score kept on every facet of their lives. Are
there some sort of preventative measures that your community doctor
Melndez is talking about to try to help before the
suicide part. Is there some sort of social you know,

(01:49:48):
some sort of social scientific tests that that can kind
of measure some of this to kind of give answers.
Those are the things that I'm thinking about.

Speaker 34 (01:49:59):
You know, when you first meet a client, you know,
you complete something called a biocycle social and this really
helps locate and prevent suicide. So you're asking the questions
to determine early risk factors, right, and once you can
locate that root cause analysis, if needed, you then implement
some preventive strategies to address the root cause of the

(01:50:23):
emotional distress, because if there's no root cause analysis to
see where some of this is coming from.

Speaker 10 (01:50:28):
Then we can't really.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Address the issue to even provide the coping skills or
mechanisms for them to even be able to function.

Speaker 10 (01:50:35):
And you know in society.

Speaker 34 (01:50:37):
So I think when you're able to locate the insecurity,
which are I guess we can label as maybe the
risk factors, these are all warning signs, you see it,
the insecurities, the vulnerability to suicide can then actually be detected.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
So if it's.

Speaker 10 (01:50:52):
Psychological insecurity, is there low self esteem? Is there? Hopelessness?
Is there.

Speaker 34 (01:50:59):
Chronic self debt, which I see a lot of. You
have the imperial libecurity. Yes, perfectionism, I mean I see
kids and adults struggle with perfectionism.

Speaker 10 (01:51:09):
I mean I even had some you know, struggle with
that at some point. But then you have the fear
of failure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
But then you have.

Speaker 34 (01:51:15):
Social insecurity, you have digital insecurity. There's environmental So if
you're exposed to violence and trauma, that's part of your
environment what you're exposed. If it's abuse, if it's unstable
housing or food, if it's academic or financial stress.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
So it just depends.

Speaker 34 (01:51:33):
If we're looking at digital, then we may be looking
at maybe exposure to cyberbullying or harmful online content.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
You know.

Speaker 34 (01:51:41):
So it just depends and you won't be able to
determine it until you actually meet with a client to understand. Hey,
maybe there's some verbal or behavior science. Is this person
talking about death? Is this person feeling like maybe they're
a burden to another person? And then you'll start seeing
those signs, those red flags where this person is withdrawing
from another person an interest and maybe some activities. I mean,

(01:52:02):
you start seeing people give away possessions, they're writing about death,
and so it's all about getting them into the room,
getting them on the phone, getting them on a call,
and talking and having real conversations.

Speaker 8 (01:52:16):
I have a.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
You know dog gone well? You know dog gone Well.
Michael is sitting there waiting to ask a question, So
you need to wait your turn. No, see see, let
me teach you something, Nola. You might be all your
little foreign policity stuff. So let me explain you how
we journalists do it. We say I have a question
and a follow up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Well I did say follow up?

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
No you did, No, you didn't you did it after
the question, Michael, go ahead with your question. Nola gotta wait,
Nola gotta wait.

Speaker 26 (01:52:53):
No, I'll give you some of my time so very quick.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
No, you can't do that. Only the time people can
do that. Go as Show walked to Michael, I have.

Speaker 26 (01:53:03):
I have three sons and a niece that I'm extremely
close to. I'm trying to figure out do you see
a difference with the social media with males and females
relative to impact. And I asked that in the context
of no, they're not the same age, but as in

(01:53:24):
the context of my niece seem to have a larger
issue after COVID than my sons did. So I was
wondering if there's a gender issue both with social media
and related to COVID.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
You know, with COVID, I saw both male and female.
I do think there was. I did see more females.

Speaker 10 (01:53:53):
I think with the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Psychological effects it was more of the body image issues.

Speaker 10 (01:54:00):
In comparison, I.

Speaker 34 (01:54:01):
Didn't really see where my males were struggling with the
body image because the girls, the women are doing all
the filters, the influencers that unrealistic.

Speaker 10 (01:54:11):
Uh you know standards.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
I also saw where females it was more anxiety, more depression,
more self esteem, but they also was experiencing more of
the cyber building because it had to do with the
appearance and maybe social belonging.

Speaker 34 (01:54:28):
So it was just like like a pretty girl syndrome.
Be smart, be beautiful, be kind, be social. That's I
found more of that with with my the girls. And
then I mean if you did show your your yourself
in the bathing suit, then you had like the slut
shame and that followed that. So they're like, Okay, let

(01:54:50):
me show myself, let me be beautiful. But then on
the back end, it's like you're being sexualized or the
slut shaming comes in. And this was happening mainly with
my black and Latino girl Latina girls.

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
But then you do have the males, you know, the humor,
the politics, the sports, the debates.

Speaker 34 (01:55:11):
It created some engagement, but I also think that it
created more exposure.

Speaker 10 (01:55:17):
To maybe toxic maximinity.

Speaker 34 (01:55:20):
It encouraged the guys I need to be more dominant,
and all they were doing is avoiding the vulnerability part
of it. So that risk of maybe emotional suppression I
saw more with with males, which then of course led
to more aggressions.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
So when these clients would come, it's like you have
all this internalized depression, is what is going on here.

Speaker 10 (01:55:40):
So I think those are the main two things male
versus female.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Well, I think what you also are dealing with is
you also have these expectations a young lady who wasn't
Miss USA or Miss America. I forgot who who jumped
from a building in New York City, who I mean
was an amazing lawyer at accomplishing and it was it
was like was never enough. And I think when I
look at when I look at a lot, you have
a lot of young folks like they're just neurotic about

(01:56:07):
because you got folks like, no, you got to get
this scholarship, you gotta have trade a's, and you got
to be perfect at this and this and this and this,
and then it's become one after another after another, and
and it's an enormous amount of pressure. I remember I
was sitting here. I was sitting talking to one of
my nieces and she was just like, oh my god,
you know I got to do this. I was school.
I was like, girl, calm down. I said that shit

(01:56:29):
is a sheet of paper. I said, okay, And it
was like this this this desire to okay, you know,
but you know, Magna cum laudy, I got to have
a straight a's. I was like, let me explain to him.
To you, I said, it's a whole bunch of people
I graduated with who had magna cum laude. And I
ain't got nothing against that, I said, but they broke
his hell right now, and your uncle what know magna

(01:56:51):
cum laude, And trust me, they would switch places of
me any day of the week. And I was trying
to get her to understand that your success in life
is not going to be determined by what you do
in that moment. And we've seen this. We've seen young
people who are highly accomplished and it's never enough, and
you have parents and others and it's constant pressure, and no,

(01:57:12):
you've got to be great at it. And a lot
of times I'm with some of these parents like, yo,
I need y'all to relax. I'm like, y'all, and I
just think you have to be very mindful as a parent,
as an aunt or an uncle putting undue pressure on
somebody who's twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen eighteen, whether it's in
a classroom or sports, because again, you are literally affecting

(01:57:38):
that psyche and everybody is not built the same way.
That's for you doctor.

Speaker 34 (01:57:49):
Now, yeah, now, for sure, I think that, you know,
the undue pressure on children adolescents definitely contributes to suicide risk,
especially when you have kids feeling overwhelmed or unsupported, or
they believe their failure equals.

Speaker 10 (01:58:07):
Worthlessness, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:58:08):
And so.

Speaker 34 (01:58:10):
I've seen it. The academic pressure, You're right, the high expectation. Oh,
I have to get the perfect grades. I need to
attend the elite schools. I saw with my daughter, she
just went through the application process and even though she
has great grades, she's like, hey, this person or they
end up going to this school that was more elite.
And I said, hey, look, let's not worry about that.

(01:58:31):
I'm not going to be disappointed. I mean she applied
to I think eighteen schools and basically got into all
of them. But still that chronic stress, that burn out,
that anxiety, the feelings of a failure is all a
result of academic pressure, the social pressure. Needing to be popular,
needed to be liked, needed to be on social media media.
I need to belong, I need to be in the

(01:58:52):
right friend group, I need this identity click. And so
my daughter went to a school where there's a lot
of celebrity, is and I mean she's not a celebrity kid,
but it resulted impossibly, you know, at some times. At
times it was mainly early in like maybe here seventh
or eighth grade year, there was a little social anxiety,
and all of a sudden, by her eighth grade year,

(01:59:13):
she said, I don't want to go out for lunch.
What do you mean you don't want to go out
for lunch? She was sitting in the library, she was isolating,
and I'm like, Okay, what is it that I need
to do? And I definitely didn't want to put the
parental pressure because I do see that where you have
parents who are overly involved, they have these unrealistic expectations
for their kids. And sometimes it's sports, it's a family reputee.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Oh especially yeah, Oh, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:59:37):
I've seen it. And where she goes that was huge and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Just sometimes you got to be honest. Your kid can't
play right, No, just be happy they ass got a uniform.
But I'm serious, I just think that I don't know
why we shit here, and like we don't want to
be honest. Some kids can't play sports. Us just be
on the team, run around, do the whole team work.

Speaker 10 (02:00:04):
But your ass will not be starting, you know, and
that was a huge one at her school.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
But what's wrong, Michael, I just I just what it
was huge. I don't get it. I don't get why
we can't be honest and and and and and sometimes, Doc,
we gotta we gotta tell brothers or sisters or uncle uncles,
I need to set your ass down. Your kid is
There was a word we used growing up. Let's see

(02:00:31):
if no, Nola probly don't remember this down New Orleans.
But Michael, I know you and Greg do y'all remember
the word afflicted flick short for afflicted, right it was?
The word was flicted. We use that word, doc for everything.
If your kid couldn't dance, if your kid couldn't play sports,

(02:00:54):
your kid is flicted. Sometimes we just got to go
ahead and let the Oh. No, I think you put
the live too much pressure that can yes not going
to be great at that. So stop trying to make
something they not because that's just a level of pressure going.

Speaker 10 (02:01:10):
No, I mean no.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
When you look at the psychological consequences with parental pressure,
we're creating kids who are being raised dealing with anxiety,
they're dealing with the depression, They're constantly feeling like they're
a failure.

Speaker 34 (02:01:25):
They're dealing with the perfectionism. Any little mistake that these
kids are making, they are feeling unloved and disposable. And
now what they're doing is dealing with emotional suppression. There's
no self so safe outlet for them to even talk
or cry. Why because they can't go to their parents
and maybe they may not have insurance to even go

(02:01:47):
talk to a therapists.

Speaker 10 (02:01:48):
So now you have suicidal ideation.

Speaker 34 (02:01:50):
I'm feeling like death is the only escape for whatever
pressure that I'm feeling at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
All right, now, look, come on, make your question quickquestion,
not a statement. A question, not a sermonet a question.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
I did very well in English. Thank you so much
for that, for you know, walking me through that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
See thank you. You wasted time. You do this every
time you try to be petty and then you waste time.
Now come on, answer.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
Mean match your past.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
See you wasted time. Don't let me, don't let me think,
doc and close this out. Come on.

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
My question is everything that you just said about cost
and availability and all these things. I guess what I'm
trying to get at is there some larger social tests
that can be constructed like the doll test, you know,
if to be able to catch this in other ways

(02:02:53):
outside of students, you know, coming to an office considering
everything that's being rolled back, you know, with insurance is
going to be more expensive, like all the things that
are happening. I'm just trying to figure out what could
possibly be a social cultural way to be able to
catch this, you know, if you don't have the money

(02:03:15):
to pay you for the time or the availability. I'm
just curious, are there is there something out there? Is
there a tool out there that already exists like that.

Speaker 34 (02:03:28):
I mean outside of your digital and clinical UH risk
screening tools that a lot of therapists and psychologists use.

Speaker 10 (02:03:37):
You know, you have your your PHQ nine, which.

Speaker 34 (02:03:41):
Looks at UH suicide risk and it's used for depression,
suicidal ideation, and it's online. People can go and check
and say, Okay, here's a free UH screening tool for
me to be able to use. But there isn't anything
else that's really free. There's a lot of you know,
they have all these quizzes and tests that you can take.

(02:04:03):
I mean, I'm in the process of actually building an
application that would be done real soon here and it's
it's basically, yes, mental health services at your fingertips, where
you can sign in and be able to speak to
a therapist. You can participate in live conversations about different
mental health concerns or issues.

Speaker 10 (02:04:24):
So that's in the making.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
So there's different strengths and wonderful. Yeah, so that's what
I'm looking I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, I
mean you have the sv Q.

Speaker 10 (02:04:34):
I think what you looks at is short, is a
few questions. But I will tell you the challenge that
I'm seeing. I was just working with a group of kids.
They can't read. So even if they.

Speaker 34 (02:04:43):
Self administer this test for themselves, give it to them
and say, hey, answer these questions.

Speaker 10 (02:04:48):
These kids could not read.

Speaker 34 (02:04:51):
So I had to have someone reach out to these
kids actually ask the questions every two weeks to keep
up with where there are with their emotions and feelings.
So that's an issue in the black and brown community
is huge. They cannot read, but they're on social media.
They're on social media.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Well, I'm going to tell you right now it has
nothing to do with this particular issue. But my greatest
fundamental issue that I have with two or three generations
is the inability to think. And I think part of
this thing, doc, as you were talking about how do

(02:05:33):
we communicate, I think there are so many people who
are parents who want to give the answer where I'm
a firm believer. No, I'm going to need you to
think your way through this. I'm going to need you
to be able to express yourself and talk, but think.
And I think thinking and processing are two of the
greatest problems that we have today. And so when you're
having these conversations, they literally can't even articulate what the

(02:05:56):
issues are because we have not created spaces to force
them to think and process. And that just to me,
and I think we see it in classrooms. I see
it all the time, right.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
In turns, think putting them on blast?

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
What, oh they are all five of them know? Yeah,
oh they know, they know. Oh trust me, Oh trust
me they know. Again, so we we have think session.
I ain't giving you the answer. You got to think.
But again, this is something that for me, I did
this with my nieces when they were early. No, I'm
not giving you the answer.

Speaker 8 (02:06:35):
Yeah I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:06:36):
You know, but when we're talking about the black and
brown community, a lot of these kids or youth, your
young adults can't think because their parents can't think. And
when you look at the causes to inability to think,
these parents are under a lot of chronic stress.

Speaker 34 (02:06:52):
They're dealing with depression and anxiety. There's even what I'm
seeing undiagnosed learning differences, so you know, there their trauma responses,
freez disassociates.

Speaker 10 (02:07:05):
So no, they're not thinking.

Speaker 34 (02:07:07):
There's a cognitive fall, there's a mental shutdown, there's disorganized thoughts.
So how are they going to teach their children to think?
When these parents can think? But they're the same parents
that either are. There is either negative or positive over
pressure to perform. The invalidation part that comes with hey

(02:07:30):
telling your kids, Hey, get over it, or you're being dramatic.
You know, there's no room for failure. I'm quick to
tell my daughter it's okay if you feel But what
we gonna do about it? To recover a lot of
these parents because they are stressed, they're creating adults who
are emotionally unavailable. Why because their parents are unavailable and
unavailable parents aren't listening, they're distracted, they're dismissive. The parents

(02:07:54):
are on social media. Social media, then you have just
a toxic criticism.

Speaker 10 (02:08:00):
I hear so many parents. They're yelling, they're cussing. I'm
gonna threaten you with punishment. That didn't go on in
my household. I did really well with my kids.

Speaker 34 (02:08:09):
And when I look at her, and I look at
some of the kids that may come to our practice,
and when I talk to parents to kind of walk
through through things.

Speaker 10 (02:08:15):
I'm like, you guys aren't even talking about mental health.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
They're ignoring the signs and refusing how It's like, what
are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
Indeed, indeed, dot what's your website? We want to reach
out to you.

Speaker 10 (02:08:27):
Ttmcounseling dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
All right, doctor talk to tell. I'm alendus Mis Shelley
appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Thank you, folks. Last issue here,
real quick. I just saw this on social media and
I had to go ahead and play this here. And
it's the perfect way to end the show. It's Samuel L.

Speaker 35 (02:08:42):
Jackson, motherfucking win farms, loud, ugly, harmful of nature, who
says that these giants are standing tall against postl fuels.

Speaker 21 (02:09:08):
Rising up out of the ocean like a metal finger.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
The coe two deep beneath the waves.

Speaker 35 (02:09:14):
They can become artificial reefs creating habitats for sea lighting
to grow.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
These are wind farm seaweed snaps made with seaweed grown
at a button farm wind farms.

Speaker 8 (02:09:29):
Curious for me, shit, So what's it gonna be?

Speaker 19 (02:09:34):
Mother fucking wind farms or mother fucking wind farms?

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Oh man, there you go right there. So now that's
selling a product, wings zelling product. But kid, no, anytime
you get Samuel mf and Jackson, you gotta go ahead
and just play it. All right, y'all. That's it. We
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