DOJ Sues Over Voting Data, As Shutdown looms Jeffries & Clyburn speak out, Political violence Rise

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Play's thirty September twenty five, twenty twenty five, coming up
on roland Mark Unfilial treating live on the Black Start Network.
The administration of the twice impeach criminally convicted fellon in
Chief Donald the con Trump suing six states to turn
over their voter data. Why because these volks are massive cheaters.
Will break down what's going on there. Also, Congress is
a week away from turning down the federal government. Democrat

(00:36):
A leader Hakiking Jeffrey speaks on the issue. I'll be
join bib a former Nancy Pelosi aid actually at the end,
who will give advice on how the Democrats could actually
message this issue that again could lead to the shutdown
of the federal government. Will be joined right here in
studio by Lieutenant Governor Garland Gilchrist of Michigan. He's running
for governor. We'll talk about what's happening in that state

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as well as the issue political violence happening as well.
Plus Pastor A. R. Bernard of New York. He breaks
down what it means to be biblical but also to
follow Jesus. Who is he talking to the white Christian
nationalists who love to proclaim themselves follows of Jesus Christ,
but they don't actually follow the things that Jesus cares about.

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The shameful, despicable simil cuvi rices division of Donald Trump.
They are suing six states because they won't turn over
their voter registration That of the states being sued California, Michigan, Minnesota,
New York, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania, he did not turn
over voter information including named birthdays, drivers, licensed numbers, and
partial Social Security numbers contained in their registration roles. The

(02:41):
DOJ claims the states are not complying with federal law,
specifically the Help America Vote Act. In a statement of
the despicable Assistant Attorney General her Meat Dillan of the
dj Civil Rights Division said quotes. States are required to
safeguard American elections by complying with our federal election laws.
Clean voter rolls protect American citizens for voting fraud and abuse,

(03:01):
and restore their confidence that their states elections are conducted properly,
with integrity, and in compliance with the law. According to
the lawsuits, the Attorney General has a unique responsibility assigned
by Congress to enforce the National Voter Registration Act and
Help America Vote Act. The laws are designed to ensure
the states of effective voter registration lists and maintenance programs
the state. The Attorney Generals also relying with the Civil

(03:23):
Rights Act in nineteen sixties nineteen sixty to demand the production, inspection,
and analysis of the statewide voter registration list. It's going
to my pound, doctor Greg Carr, the Department of Afro
American Studies at Howard University, doctor Nola Hanes, Georgetown University,
School of Foreign Service, Zabora g Deia consultant and employment specialists. Greg,
we know what's going on here, these white supremacists. They

(03:45):
want to advance this notion that folks of the undocumented
workers are voting. And so we know what's going on there.
And we know well also they are targeting black folks.
They have been purging folks from the roles. The Supreme
Court allowed that to happen, that the shapeful decision. After that,
white man Ohio sue them, and so I get what
these states are doing. They don't trust this Trump Department

(04:07):
of Justice because these people will do all they can
to rig elections.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's absolutely right Roland as we know. I mean, this
is at this point. It's a beautiful thing, really to
see them drop all pretenses. Their Orange King, clearly mentally unwell,
has dropped all pretenses. He's replacing attorneys in the Department
of Justice, interfering directly with attempts to prosecute everybody from

(04:36):
Adam Shift to Letitia James and in this case his
absolutely feckless, thoroughly unqualified Tody Pam Blondie or Bondi is
simply complying with the wishes not only of her Orange King,
but of the rest of the white nacists who have
taken over the federal the executive branch of the federal government.

(04:57):
Unfortunately for them, however, election law would show us that
many of the issues when it comes to elections are
in the under purview of the states. California Secretary of
State has raised privacy projection protection issues with the Department
of Justice in response to these these requests for voter information.

(05:20):
We saw New Hampshire's Secretary of State telling the Justice
Department in August that state law prevents him from disclosing
the voter registration list. And finally, as has been the
case in many of these genned up attempts to exceed
their authority, I suspect that all of these states will

(05:40):
simply respond with I'll see you in court and we'll
see what the courts say. It's not as simple as
asking for something like this to be turned over. It's
an age old tactic and I suspect it's going to fail.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Zabora again, they can't be trusted when it comes to
any of this particular data. And we know what they're doing.
They're on a fishing expedition, that's what they want to do.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
No, definitely, we know that they've been attacking our right
to vote this whole time, and it's keeps getting worse.
That keep going after these states that are vulnerable, and
we are a lot of people are unaware they don't
know what to do about this. So it's not just
about getting these lists. It's about disenfranchising to vote even

(06:26):
more people, making it harder for people to vote, and
making sure.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
That we are not getting our voices heard.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
They are redistricting, they are doing all of the things
to suppress the vote and keep people from really making
a difference in their communities and ensuring that the people
that are in being are not being held accountable for
what we need them held accountable for. We can look
at every aspect of the executive orders that are coming out,

(06:53):
we can look at how the communities are being affected,
and we know that if our vote wasn't important, they
wouldn't be working over time to ensure that this vote
is continuously suppressed. We're looking at rights being violated, We're
looking at new ways to implement Jim Crow level of

(07:15):
voter suppression, and we just have to figure out how
can we ensure that we.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Are holding our elected officials accountable.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
How are we making sure that we are getting our
communities engaged and registered to vote and doing whatever we
can do to make this person that is not doing
anything the correct way or the way that it has
been historically done accountable as much as we can anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And let's see here Nola, California, Blue, Michigan, Blue, Minnesota,
New York, New Hampshire, you got Pennsylvania. We see what's
going on here.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's written on the walls,
and you know they're doing stuff in broad daylight.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
We absolutely see what's going on here.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
I think you know, for me, as much as we
talk about this stuff, I'm eager to get to the
point of what's the plan, what's the strategy.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
We know there's a messaging issue.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
We know it's getting people to the polls issue.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
All other sorts of things.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
But I'm just really curious about what's happening on the
ground to kind of like mitigate or to butcher as
some of these problems and to get people to the
to the polls.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
How are we getting people to the polls?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, again, get people to the polls is one thing.
But what they want to do is they want to
change these lists. We know, we know what they're going
to do. We see what they've done. You've had massive
voter purges in Florida and Georgia and other places as well. Uh,
And so that's what that's what we see happening, and
so I need people to understand, uh this, this is
why one of the things that that I've often said

(08:54):
repeatedly that the way you counter this is you know
what you registered every single year? You know what register
every single year? You don't, you don't even chance it. Hey,
you know what I moved whatever. Again, I don't trust
any of these people, but we have to be completely proactive,
greg when it comes to responding to this, because we
know exactly what they're trying to do. Listen, they can't

(09:17):
do poll taxes anymore. They can't make us guess how
many how many marbles are in a jar, but they
sure as hell are doing the exact same thing that
those folks did by making it difficult for people to vote.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
That's absolutely right, Roland. And it's interesting, isn't it. When
we look at the history of white nationalism in this
country after the Civil War, so much of it revolves
around voting. We think about the Cruse Shank case, of course,
where they tried to steal an election Louisiana, where men
of African descent surrounded at the courthouse with rifles trying

(09:53):
to stop them from steal the ballot stealing the ballot
boxes where they conducted two separate elections. We think about it,
as you mentioned, the pos taxes, the white primaries, the
idea that they can intimidate folk by asking the NAACP
for its roles of membership, its membership roles. There's a
strong whiff of that in this white national foolishness. And
since May we know that this Department of Justice has

(10:16):
sent demands to at least thirty five states for copies
of their state wide voter registration files, and eleven states
have given them some information, but that information has been
typically just the stuff that's publicly available, so no social
security numbers, none of that. Indiana turned over probably the
most information as far as I can remember. Certainly the

(10:37):
Brendan Center among others, have been tracking this, and of course,
in an ominous gesture, the Department of Justice has confirmed
that it's sharing what they get in terms of voter
registration data with the Department of Homeland Security. They of
course have bigger problems. Their bagman at the top probably
needs to be checking his paper bags, his kava bags

(10:57):
for that fifty thousand dollars they're looking for. But they
are indeed to kind of underscore what you're saying. Trying
to intimidate people, They're trying to convey this sense that
somehow they can get your information. If you're in one
of the states that they have asked for this information,
please understand that the court will stop them, primarily because
your social Security number, your information is sacro sanct at

(11:20):
least when it comes to this, they have no legal
obligation to turn that over. Like you said, They've sued
these states, and then these states have moved right back
and said no. The Criminal Division of the Department of Justice,
which is really being weaponized at this point, has sent
emails to chief election officials in at least a dozen
states since June, requesting meetings to discuss an information sharing agreement.

(11:45):
A great deal of this is bluffing. These people are bluffing,
and when you punch them in the face, as we
saw this week with Jimmy Kimmel, as we've seen before
when it comes to universities or for that matter, broadcast networks,
except those who bend the need like ABC Disney last year,
when you fight them, they somehow get their chest caved
in and back up. And I don't think that this
is going to be any different.

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Roland Martin.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I'm filtered.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
M Okay. You know what I can't stand really stupid,

(15:07):
idiotic conversations. Just can't stand him. So Bill Maher was
on Stephen A. Smith's Serious X and radio show, and
Bill Maher actually said this, which I just think it's
a dumb ass idea. Listen to this here, who's the
candidate on the left that can somehow derail him? Because
I don't see anybody with the national presidence that can

(15:29):
pull that off. Where are you on that?

Speaker 12 (15:32):
I see somebody right here in my zoom camera and
by the way, only for you zoom. I hate zoom,
but for you. But where's the Stephen A. Smith President.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Bub No, I'd have to get so much money, Bill,
I'd have to give up too much money. I'm not
giving up my money, man, I'm not giving up my
money yet.

Speaker 13 (15:50):
Money.

Speaker 12 (15:51):
They'll give you a free plane from Katari. You're getting
worry about the money. You don't need money when you're
the president. You think the president carries money.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Don't need money.

Speaker 13 (16:01):
Today? Well go ahead.

Speaker 12 (16:03):
But the Democrats. The reason why I you know, I'm
taking you a little more seriously for this is because
the Democrats definitely need an outsider. I mean, I'm going
to give you a little preview of something I'm working
on that'll be on our.

Speaker 13 (16:17):
Show one of these weeks. At the end, as an.

Speaker 12 (16:19):
Editorial is to me, the Democratic Party is a ghost brand.
You know what a ghost brand is. It's like Seers
or you know, General Electric. You know it's still a company,
Abercrombie and Fitch, but they they've.

Speaker 13 (16:33):
Really fallen on hard times.

Speaker 12 (16:35):
But this but they've been around for a long time,
so there is value in It's an asset, right because
there are still people who know of the company and
if and if you could have somebody take it over
who's not sentimental about that company and you know, relaunch
it rebranded. But it would have to be somebody who
is unapologetic about calling them out. People have lost faith

(16:59):
in the Democratic Party for.

Speaker 13 (17:00):
Very good reasons.

Speaker 12 (17:02):
And you know, you're the only one I hear who
like doesn't look like he cares what the other Democrats
will say about.

Speaker 13 (17:11):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I really don't, right, I give a damn what they say.
I really I know.

Speaker 12 (17:16):
And it's somebody I don't need there. I'm right where
you are. We're very close on all these things. And
I think somebody with that kind of abandon is the
only person who is going to win back former Democratic voters.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Who So let's just deal here. This is why that's
a stupid ass conversation. I've said this, I've said to him,
Steven A. Smith and grossly qualified to not be president,
to run for president, to think about president at all.
Bill Maher saying, Okay, being an entertainer ain't the same

(17:52):
as being president. Now, let's be real clear. Some of
y'all might be saying, well, you know that America did
vote for Trump. Let's be real clear. Trump is a
white man with a lot of money and what did
he do the Republican Party. He played to the issue
of race, That's what he did. And see, this is
where all these people are all. By God, we need

(18:16):
an outsider first of all, to find an outsider. To
find an outsider, I'm gonna go ahead and say it.
Democratic voters are smarter than Republican voters. Republican voters fail
for the oki do. They failed for the bullshit broke
as white people with no health care, no teeth, no

(18:39):
no education, got behind a rich dude who would not
even let them walk through his hotel lobby. Are we clear?
You can't be a loud, uneducated person who's an outsider
and you actually think Democrats are going to pay you

(19:00):
any attention. That ain't gonna happen, all right, And so
I love these people, people like Bill Maher who sit
here and go, oh, we need an We need it
right now. We need an outsider who could actually run.
Let's see here, who was a two term who was
elected twice Center Barack Obama, who was the Democrat before him,

(19:24):
Governor Bill Clinton, two term president. Let's see the Democrat
before him? Who was that? Oh, that was Governor Jimmy Carter,
who was a Democrat before him. Oh, that was US
senator lending the banks Johnson, who actually was vice president

(19:47):
who became president and then was elected to his own
four year term. Who was before that? Oh I'm sorry,
that was Harry Truman, who followed FDR. FDR was there
for four terms. What was fdr? Governor New York? Do

(20:07):
You'll see where I'm going. You'll see why these are
stupid conversations. See this is where America. See, this is
what Trump has done. Trump has dumbed down America so
much that we literally will have conversations about grossly unqualified
people because they happen to entertain us. Oh, Schwarzenegger should run,

(20:30):
Oprah should run. Oh, George Clooney should run. That's what
we've actually become. Okay, what we've done is we've stopped
actually thinking smart and sexy. So Trump has so deep
legitimized politics that what Democrats are saying is, hey, let's
have a buffoon run who is loud, obnoxious, who yells

(20:53):
at people, says crazy things, and yeah, that's actually going
to do it. No, that's not going to do It's
actually going to work. Is if you have a Democrat
who says this is what I am going to deliver
and actually do it. You see, Democrats said, oh no,

(21:14):
we can't change the rules in the Senate because if
we change the rules when it comes to the Biden
hair nominees, then the Republicans they're definitely gonna do it.
So what a Democrats do. They play by the rules,
and then what a Republicans do when Trump gets in
they change them. They're like, yeah, we're gonna move these nominees.
They go ahead and do it. Republicans lay out Project

(21:37):
twenty twenty five, a damn near one thousand page document,
and says, if you put us back in, we're going
to do all of these things. They literally gave them
the playbook we talk about. Think about this. I think
about Barry Switzer. Berry Switzer says, if we run the
wishbone the way we're supposed to run the wishbone, you

(21:58):
will never be able to stop us. That's what they did.
The problem is we had a bunch of dumb ass
people who are progressive or independence who said, Okay, I
know they did probably twenty twenty five. I don't really
think they're gonna actually do what they wrote down. Really,
who spends three years put them together a massive plan.

(22:19):
It's damn near a thousand pages, and then go ah,
we were just joking. Now they were very serious. And
so this is a moment for serious people in serious times.
Not a Stephen A Smith, not a Bill Maher, not
some other damn entertainer who talks big shit on television.

(22:41):
But then when you actually have to deal with the
thorny issues, it's a whole different conversation. And that's what
we're talking about. And so sure steven A can pontificate
and blow hard, and he can go on Chris Cuomo,
and then he could go on Seeing Inn. He can
do all of that stuff that ain't governing. So the
stupidity of the Bill Mahers of the world is to

(23:03):
act like, oh my god, there are no Democrats who
can run. Let's see, you have a governor re elected
in Illinois. JB. Pritsker, you got a governor in Maryland.
Wes Moore, you got a governor in Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer,
you got a governor in Pennsylvania. Josh Shapiro, you got
a governor in California. Gavin Newsom, you got a governor

(23:24):
in Kentucky, and Brishire, and we ain't even talking about
the other folks who might be United States senators or
in Congress as well. That's what we're dealing with. So
I think it's stupid to somehow suggest, oh, Democrats don't
have anybody who could run. Vice President Kamala Harris could
run again. We know Pete Buda Judge plans on running again.

(23:47):
And so you're gonna have eight to ten to twelve
Democrats who actually run. But if they're going to win,
what they have to do is that to actually put
together the Obama coalition was there, which means you're gonna
have to have to act, talk to people. You're gonna
have to invest in African Americans. You're gonna stop listening
to these white, dumbass Democratic strategists who won't spend money

(24:08):
on blacks and Latinos because they still chasing that mythical
invisible white woman in the suburbs who ain't voting for
the Democrats. So the way you win is you actually
appeal to your base. And what you also do is
you be a Democrat who has the guts and the
courage to go to some broke ass, red, white, uneducated,

(24:30):
unhealthy places and say, guess what why y'all ask to
keep voting against your own interests. See to me, if
I'm a Democrat running, you know what I do. I
go to West Virginia and I say, hey, West Virginia,
here are the stats you at the Bottomen education, the
Bottomen education, the Bottomen of health care, of the bottom

(24:50):
end wages, all these categories. So do y'all voted for
this person? Oh that y'all see how he or sheet
voted on education, how they voted on health care, how
they voted on right to work? And you go, so
can y'all explain to me what the hell y'all doing?
Then when you leave West Virginia, hop on over to
South Carolina, then go to Tennessee, then go to Arkansas,

(25:12):
then Mississippi, then Louisiana, do Florida, going over to Texas.
It's having real conversations. But what I'm sick and tired
of or these idiots who throw this silly shit out
every damn time. Why did earn your leisure? They threw out?
Oh man, Steph Curry. I was like, are you out
of your fucking mind? And I love Steph? Great basketball player, Okay,

(25:37):
but I'm not tossing out Steph Curry's name be the
goddamn president of the United States. That to me is
what's stupid. And we keep having these dumb ass conversations
by these media people. So I just have one thing
to say, and again, me and Stephen ay cool, We
talk and we text. You know what, y'all could have
these dumb ass television conversations, but the rest of us

(25:59):
are in real America, in real time, and what we
don't need is a goddamn entertainer trying to run to
the president of the United States. No you first, noa go.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
So yes to everything you just said. I am I'm
trying to go, okay, yes to everything you just said.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Shit, come on, yeah, you've got that ragged ass internet.
Go okay. See, I told you got that cricket internet,
the bargo, everything.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
You said is absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Every they given everybody of mic to say the craziest
of things. We don't need nobody else that's encompassing that
don't know politicans that don't know economicists that don't know science,
that don't to stand research. We need somebody that's gonna
understand and look at the facts, look at all of
the things. How we could create so much damage in
less than six months. We got to stop spreading rhetoric

(27:13):
that is impacting our communities. It's impacting black brown, disable
all of these things.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
And you have the nerve to still not take this serious.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
How do we even say things like that if you're
looking at how this is impacting all of the things.
How we have the government more in our business than
we've ever had them, and we're dealing with people that
are saying one thing, they don't want big government, they
don't want this.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
They don't want that.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
But then on the other side, they're supporting all of
these things that allow the government to be directly in
our business.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
And you say things like you.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
Want a person that, yes he's charismatic, yes he's a
true teller allegedly, or fearless or whatever you want to say,
but that don't make sense when it comes to running
this country.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
I want a person that understand the policy brief. I
want a person that's not on.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
TikTok or on Twitter saying all of the weird things
just because that's the first thing that came into their minds.
I want a skilled person, a person that has a
skill team, a person that has a representation that looks
like the rest of this country and not just a
bunch of white people in a room doing what they
want to do. We need real change, real people, and

(28:26):
people that understand our issues. We really need real organizing,
grassroots efforts. We need a real president, a real leader
that understand what the people need, not just I need
some money and I'm worried about this.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
That doesn't even make sense. We don't need unfiltered in
that way.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Greg, I agree, I agree. You know, it's very interesting. Uh,
maybe a third. The most charitable reading of it is
a third of those eligible to vote in the United
States of America voted for Donald Trump in the last
presidential election. Just a little over sixty percent of the

(29:11):
people who are eligible to vote in this country voted.
That means that just somewhere south of forty percent of
the people in this country did not vote at all,
and of the people who voted, only about a thirty
people who voted to vote for Donald Trump. He has
no mandate, he has no veneer of inevitability, and he

(29:31):
is a pure bred idiot. This gives the conveys the
sense that the United States is an idiocracy. We all
saw Bozo vomiting at the United Nations this week. And unfortunately,
these new cycle not even new cycle, these platform driven
politics have projected the idea that people in the United

(29:52):
States are just that stupid. It's not the case. There
are a lot of stupid people, millions of them. Millions
of them pulled the lever for Donald Trump. Anthony Smith
has no chance to be president of the United States. However,
he occupies an outsized space in these broadcasts and did
streaming media platforms. So when he comes out as he

(30:14):
did this spring and saying that he may have no
choice but to run for president, when he comes out
as he did earlier this year and talks about the
idea asked, well, why would you start a political career
by starting as president? And he responds why not? This,
of course, this isn't unhinged, This isn't delusional. This is
a talking head doing what talking heads do. Talking When

(30:37):
he said this week, when he asked the question who
cares what Kamala Harris has to say in the wake
of the release of her book, and when he says
that her political career is over, well, I put as
much stock in that as I do.

Speaker 13 (30:52):
Anything.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Steven Anthony Smith says, which really comes down let me think, oh, yes, zero,
I put nothing in Steven Anthony's Smith. And finally, when
he said, as he has said this week, that Joshapiro
or Wes Moore might be the best candidates, this is
where I think Steven Anthony Smith comes into play. If
at all, there are people who might consider something he

(31:14):
has to say as it relates to politics to be worthwhile.
These people would be deeply ignorant and underinformed, but they
might say that Steven Anthony Smith working the angle so
that he can remain visible, so that he can continue
to make his money. As we heard him say, talk
to Bill Maher, who is a completely, almost indescribably useless

(31:36):
public commentator. When he says that, well, then he then
might calculate that it might be better for me to
push forward names that will keep my name in the
mouths and my face in the eyes of the people
who get me my bread and butter, by making me relevant,
by allowing me to peer places. I think that's what
we're going to see more and more for Steven Anthony
Smith as politics heats up the election cycles get closer.

(32:00):
Who began to focus on real issues Steven Anthony Smith
will never be president of Nited States. Anyone never run.
What he wants to do is take up time like
what he's doing right now.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
And again, real simple bottom line is, Look, folks, who
have whatever conversation they want, I just want people understand,
don't waste your time with dumb, useless conversations. And if
any of these people are talking about entertainers or sports
talking heads or entertainment talking heads or other body, yeah
it's a waste of time. Tell I'm telling you right now,

(32:30):
there are real people who on the Democratic side who
can run a president. We don't have to resort to stupidity.
When I say we, I mean the American people. Enough
is enough. We are seeing the damage of what happens
when you elect an idiot and put him in charge.
Because we know Don Trump is actually not in charge, Steve.
We know who's in charge, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, the

(32:53):
fairless society that Shue's in charge, Folks, government shutdown is looming,
and back and forth. Donald Trump refuses to meet with
Democrats now, blaming them saying they don't have any idea
what the hell they're doing. And look, my position is
real simple shut that shit down and say y'all own it,
y'all own it. Let them take the heat. This is

(33:16):
real simple. Republicans control the House, they control the Senate,
they control the White House. So how can you control
all the levers of government? But then you want to
say it's Democrats fault if the government shuts down. Actually, Etien,
former aide to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, she's very familiar with
these battles, She joseus right now, all right, so what's

(33:37):
your advice to these hard headed Democrats who frankly don't
have to play hardball, but who should be playing horrorball?
And again, actually, I'm like, all right, y'all want to
shut that shit down, y'all gonna ride ahead.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I mean, here's my thing, you know, Rolin, It's rare
that I disagree with you, but I'm going to disagree
with you in this moment.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Bad move. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Here's the thing. They're Democrats right now with this sort
of illusion of bipartisanship is in my opinion, playing foot
seat with the devil here. You're not going to be
able to win this battle with Donald Trump. Why because
he doesn't he doesn't care. They're willing to sacrifice the hostage,
which is his own people. So if you shut it down,
of course his people are going to be impacted greatly.

(34:22):
But he's now put on the table more cuts in
federal employees, which actually impacts black women disproportionately, twelve percent
of the federal workforces black women. So we've already seen
where black women, three hundred thousand of us are out
of the workplace, and the reality is like this could
impact those women even you know that population, even more greatly.
But my larger point is that you don't pick a

(34:44):
fight that you're not prepared to win. I mean, you
don't go into a battle you're not prepared to win
when you've got your opponent who's willing again to sacrifice
the hostage. What's your situation? How can you win win
in that dynamic. Secondly, Donald Trump is a master communicator.
I don't think we've get in him enough credit. If
we shut down the government, the first thing he's gonna
do is blame Democrats for the entirety of the state

(35:06):
of the economy, from high prices to the skyrocketing.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
But actually, if okay, actually, if you don't shut the
government down, he's going to do the exact same thing
as well. So it doesn't matter whether you do it
or you don't. He is going to blame you. We
saw luck.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
They mean democrats. Now he can't.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean he's, yes, he is.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
He's not blaming democrats now, yes he is.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
But let me let me right now, right now, he's
blaming democrats right now. Literally, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
My point is, so you shut the government down, then
what the only way to open the government back up
is if you get votes. He's already told you he's
not going to negotiate with you, and you don't negotiate
with Terris, so you so, so where is the win
for Democrats in that scenario? My point is that we
put too.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
No no, no, no, no no, no, here's there's been my win.
They don't need the Democrats help to keep the government open.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
No, they then the Senate, you got to have sixty votes.
They need seven dem crafts to vote yet.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Okay, and guess what if you want my vote, what
you give me for it?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
My thing is they've already failed at negotiation, the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Okay, So so your advice, So your advice is for
them to go ahead vote for it, and then what.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
No, you vote you you vote for it. But more importantly,
and it's what the D, the D Triple C is
doing right now, you've got to make Donald Trump own it.
You've got to you've got to put the ball squarely
in their court.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
You call a hould the hold on. Now, I'm confused,
not confused. On one hand, you say that if the
Democrats vote allowed to shut down, he's gonna blame them.
Now you're saying, but they should vote for it, keep
the government open. But then make Donald Trump own it.
But you say, he's a master communicator. So how they're
going to make him own it?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
So you, you digital ads ads in these states, go
right into these districts and make the and make your argument,
which is an economic argument.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What's the argument?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The The argument is that that Republicans voted to your
your your Republican, your representative, your senator, voted to cut medicaid,
voted to cut federal spending, the same argument they made
about the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 7 (37:11):
That's the art.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
You keep leaning into those arguments.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, how is that? How how does that help them
when their polling numbers are still awful?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Well, my point is I don't think they do it
with a level of consistency and hard edge that actually
has impact.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, with the level Okay, okay, what's hard edge? No, No,
I need here's I need examples. Okay, I'm gonna give
you some examples.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
So I think, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
What they're saying right now is there is a looming
shut down, Republicans are responsible for it. Change that mirror
that narrative. Here's what Republicans are voting for. Higher prices, higher,
higher grocery prices. They're they're voting to cut Medicare, Medicaid,
et cetera, et cetera. But I think the one thing
can I just add this as a wrinkle, The one

(37:54):
thing I think Democrats can do to drive this contrast
right now, because you can run those ads now, make
them own it, make them pay for it. But what
we need to do is to launch a proactive agenda
so we can start to draw the contrast. Right now,
we're not talking about what we stand for, how we
would be managing the economy differently than this current president.
That's also a big gaping hole right now for Democrats

(38:16):
is they talk about Trump, but they're not yet you know,
talking about what they would actually do, what's the proactive agenda?
When I went back to Pelosi's office, we had already
launched to some degree, our proactive agenda by this point.
So what we were able to do is to say,
this is what they're doing, but this is what we
would do. And so you draw that contrast right now,
you're just you know, it's a soft it's a soft punch,

(38:36):
which is you know that there's a looming shutdown and
they're responsible for it. No, no, no, you tell people
exactly they're hurting right now. It is the fault of
the Republicans. We would do things differently, and I think
you and I think that is a winning combination. But
you can't pick a fight, this particular fight with Donald
Trump because you're not going to win it. So you
shut down the government and.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Then what they don't care.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
They don't care about jobs, they don't care about their
own people, they don't care about the country hurting. So
you don't have any leverage in that negotiation with them.
When they're willing to burn the whole thing down every day,
which is what they're currently doing. You think you're going
to go in a negotiation and have an upper hand
with them. Absolutely not. They could care less and they
know for a fact, every time they shut down the
government at the end of the day, both parties got

(39:19):
blamed for it. It was pocks on both houses. It's
never a shutdown is never a clean win for anybody.
But my point is we've already demonstrated, and I mean,
I guess my position is from a standpoint of I
have a lack of confidence in our leadership right now.
So I'm not confident that you can take me into
this battle and get me out of it unscathed and clean,
and that Donald Trump's going to own it. I don't

(39:40):
believe that that's going to happen. So my point is,
you got to make them pay forward right now. Go
into these districts aggressively, from the D SEC to the
D Triple C, aggressively run ads, pointing the finger at them,
and then contrast it at some point really soon what
we would do is democrats. That's what also helps shore
up confidence, that's what also helps drive some of those polls.

(40:01):
But if you're not introducing a proactive agenda, it's it's
it's it's empty, it's it's it's toothless.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
To some degree, well, I just think that again when
when I sit here and look at what you talked
about an aggressive tech and aggressive tone, I I'm sorry,
I don't see it. And I'm just trying to know
that's my point, is there not? And then and then
I do see it. I see it from folks like

(40:29):
Congresswoman JASMC. Crockett. I see it, folks like from Congressman
Alexandra case Cortez. I see that. But I and again,
I'm trying to figure out, literally where's the DNC at
all of this.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I agree, let me make let me make a good
point to you to drive the point that they're not
being aggressive enough. I just mentioned one a couple of facts. One,
three hundred thousand black women have now dropped out of
the economy. Record black unemployment is at record seven point
five percent. I called the d NZ and I said.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
First of all, what you just said right there, that's
just too much black black Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well, but they should be because we vote for them
ninety two percent eighty five. Oh, I know us, I know,
I mean the whole they don't. There is no Democratic
Party without us. So yeah, I'm gonna start with us.
I'm censory, guys, as they should. And so my question was,
what have y'all said about this? What have y'all said
about this? I went to the CBC, I went to
the leadership offices, and went to the to the DNC,

(41:24):
asking this question, this is your base vote without black
women in particular, you don't have a party without black people.
You don't have a party. So I want to know
what you said about it. The DNC sent me a
statement from some spokesperson. Why is s folkesperson, Why isn't
Ken who's the head of the party, leaning into this
to start to bridge that building?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Why United States Centers?

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Hold on, let me finish. Then I went to the CBC.
I've not seen a statement from them either about it.
That's a problem. Then I went to the leadership office,
who happens to look like us. I didn't see a
statement about it. I mean, I could be missing it,
but I asked it. I didn't see a statement about it.
So my point is, I don't have confidence that you
can get in the middle of a fight like a shutdown,
because I've been in the middle of a shutdown. I

(42:05):
remember at turning to Nancy Pelosi when we are at
thirty days and said to her, Madam, you've got to
give Trump what he wants. We can't go this can't
go on any longer. And she said to me, look
me dead in my face. You've got to have a
stomach for this job. You've got now is when he
gets weak. My thing is, we don't have that type
of leadership anymore. I mean, you can't even issue a
statement acknowledging the crises that your base vote, your your

(42:28):
most consistent loyal base vote, holding up the whole party
is dealing with right now. So why would I have
the confidence that you can get into the middle of
the fire and be able to handle yourself. So I
don't disagree with you. I think the reality is there
is no aggressive messaging. My point is that there needs
to be, has to be. The moment demands it, and
we need to couple it with a proactive agenda so

(42:50):
that we can start to draw this contract, so people
can start to understand who is too blame for this.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, for me, you had a white United States Center
from Missouri who literally gave a white nationalist speech saying,
our ancestors took this country for us, and it was
for them, and it was for us. And only US.
And to your point, I hit Chair mckin Martin directly.

(43:18):
I hit Democratic Leader hak Kim Jefferies, I hit coming
so many event Clark directly, and I'm like, I hit
a person in senat Chuck Schumer's office. I think the
only thing I saw was a tweet from the CBC,
and I'm like, that's it. And I think, and I'm
just being honest, I think I think. I think. I

(43:40):
think Democrats are so damn scared to say black, to
say Latino because of this antide anti DEI stuff. And
you've got white Democratic strategies saying, don't.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
We need to reassess this?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
No, no, no, I'm telling you, but I think we're here.
I've got to reassess this. We've got white Democratic strategists
who are saying, don't say black, don't say Latino, don't
say people of color, Let's just keep it vanilla, because
that's what we got to do. That's what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
So my question to you, though, is I mean, you've
got a major, massive platform. I tell you all the time,
there's nowhere I can't go in the country where someone
doesn't say I saw you on Roland. So my thing is,
what are we going to do about it?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Oh? There in the dynamic, Well we do.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
First of all, I mean, you got the CBC.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Happening right now, there's leaders from all over the country
right now in Washington, DC.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Listen. I moderated only one panel and that was conens
from Hank Johnson. I'm not doing anything else. I'm not
anybody else's stage. I said in that panel. What we're
gonna do, We're gonna actually restream that panel discussion. We
laid out very clear specifics what needs to happen. But
what I've made perfectly clear is that we have leadership,
political leadership, civil rights leadership, professor, preacher, preachers. It's everybody

(45:04):
running scared. Let me just be let me just be
as frank as possible what Donald Trump has done. And
this is and I don't think Democrats don't want to
admit this. Others the one to admit it. They're scared
to death. They're like, he's vindictive, he's gonna seek retribution,
he's he's snatching funds, and everybody is scared. And I'm like,

(45:27):
and I'm like, well, guess guess what if somebody is
gonna sit here and come at you guns blazing when
you damn sure better be prepared, uh to fire back.
If somebody's gonna be trying to come take you out politically,
you better be ready to fire back. And what I'm
saying is I am not seeing the focus on mobilization

(45:49):
and organization. So what I am saying to black people,
what I'm saying to black people, I'm not waiting on Schumer.
I'm not waiting on Jeffreys, I ain't waiting on Ken Martin.
I'm telling my audience send your money to black voters matter.
We have black organizations. You got Georgia, stand up, you
got you got into this in North Carolina. I am

(46:10):
not wasting my time because on a party, because our
interests ain't Democratic interests, they're Black interests. To the point
that Greg always makes that we're going to use them
as the vehicle to be able to get what we got.
That's the Democratic Party is the delivery system for what
we want because weally you.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Know Roland, you and I talk about this off offline
all the time. It's not just a delivery system. It
is one of the most profitable businesses in the country.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
They raised two.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Billion dollars in one hundred days. There's no other entity
in this country that's raised two billion dollars in one
hundred days. More importantly, there's only a two party system.
So we need this party, that party to work for us.

Speaker 13 (46:53):
Right, what I'm saying is.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
The whole anti black, the whole anti black.

Speaker 7 (46:58):
I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I'm running scared. I'm running scared. We shoulder the burden
of that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
First.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
You brought it right now in the numbers, but I
mean more severely, and you're talking about black women who
hold up the entire union.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
But what I'm saying, but what I'm saying is is
what we are advocating are for black interests. The Democratic
Party is the delivery system. And so and so understanding that.
But it's a big money no no, no, no, no,
I know it's a big money maker. But the point
I am making is, if I have finite resources, I'm
not going to send it to a candidate. I'm not

(47:32):
sending it to a party. I'm not sending to a pack.
My whole deal is there, send our money to a
black entity that we know is on the ground, that
employs black that employs black people that we know are
going that works with black posters that we understand that
because that's the issue. Listen, A very prominent person came

(47:55):
to me pissed off when WIN with Black Men raise
that one point five million dollar US and came to
me and said, you know, y'all were the only group
that raised money and didn't send in all the commerce's campaign.
I said, you got damn right. We did, I said,
because it was my idea. And the person said, well,
the Kamala Harris finance Committee, they're upset. I said, I

(48:15):
don't give a shit if y'all upset. I said, I
was not going to raise money for a campaign and
send the money to a campaign and then go big
the same white folks to send some of that money back.
So we raised one point five million, one point one
million went to the campaign, we kept forwarding to fifty grand,
and we distributed that money to black organizations. And I

(48:37):
ain't apologizing for it. And what I am arguing is
that what we as black people have to do. We
have got to have the courage to fund our own institutions,
drive our people to get out of the vote, and
still making demands of that system. But what I'm not
going to do is wait on them to fund and

(48:57):
organize us. That ain't happen.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
We are in agreement.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Roland.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
We started off disagree that we're in agreement.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
No, No, I know you thought. No.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
No, I mean you know the shutdown is not the fight.
You don't have the right leadership to make that happen.
My point is, I one hundred percent agree with you,
and I think you know we need to be challenging
in this moment our leadership, and we need to, to
your point, also be more inward facing. I mean, we
are suffering from a silent crisis right now, not just
those two facts I just named.

Speaker 14 (49:28):
You.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Black men aren't going to college. I can go on
and on and on. We've got our own house that
we need to shore up again. So I don't disagree
with you, and I think to some degree, you know,
this might be the time, better than any other time,
for us to actually do that, to to re center ourselves. No,
stop seeing ourselves as the victim of power, but the

(49:48):
actual source of power, which we are in all of
these dynamics, and figuring out how best to leverage that
power for our own benefit. And it's got to be
a to your point, d centralized way of doing that.
It's not going to come out of Washington. You look
at to your point, well, to my point, yes, earlier,
these brothers, these mayors are doing phenomenal work. I mean,

(50:09):
there's a lot of black leadership outside of Washington that
is impressively defending our interests that we need to also
shore up and continue to hold up as a model
and pressure this institution. But we can't walk away from
this party dynamic. They've got too much money, too much weight,
We've got too much skin in the game. And clearly
what we've been experiencing over the nine months is that

(50:30):
we've got the most to lose out of it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah, I'm not walking away from him. What I'm damn
Suregar do is to put the ass in check.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Well, listen, invite me to the party.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Listen, hey, listen. I already know I've already heard from
many people. He's too loud, he's too brash, he's too arrogant,
he's too cocky. Hey, this real simple. The best way
to shut me up is to pay black people, hire
black firms, distribute that to the folks out there. But

(51:01):
I've made it perfectly clear. I'm gonna sit here and
ride they ass as hard as possible, because he's the
thing that actually drives them crazy. And to some to
the simple Simon Negroes out there, y'all fools who keep saying,
oh yeah, he not gonna be on the air if
the Democrats ain't funding them. Hell, they ain't funding us down.

(51:22):
And we here, we here and for all and for
all y'all fools who keep talking, oh yeah, you got
three and fifty grand Fromkamalda Harrison's campaign. We got way
more from the donors of this show, the thirty six
thousand people who donated since we launched this show. So
thro't no part of control what we do. And I'm

(51:43):
a whole lay ass accountable because we're not playing any
of these games. And I said it before that, I
said again, if there are some Democrats who ain't doing
their job, primary they ass and bounce them from office
and put some folks in who're ready to swing.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Can I can I just jound you on that too?

Speaker 5 (52:01):
What again?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Because you know I arrived in this town with only
one goal in mind, and that was to represent my people.
So we've got to ensure that nobody is beyond reproach
when it comes to our interest and that is.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
That's my point.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Now, hold on, because I think we skip over this
part that's also leadership that looks like us, that's been
at the table for a very long hold on.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you miss what I just said?
I was clear? No, No, I don't want to Did
you clearly miss what I said? I was very clear
when I said, if there are people who are not
doing the job and who are not representing us, primary
their asses and bounced them from office. I didn't say white,

(52:49):
I didn't say black, I don't say female. That goes
for anybody. I'm real clear. But I already said punctuate
that point that I already punctuated it. But it is
at the first time. I said it on the show,
but I don't watch it. I've said it. I'm just
saying I've said it numerous times. Ain't nobody guaranteed their

(53:13):
political seat? Nobody, nobody on a federal level, the state level,
the county level, the city level, the school board level,
No judge, no da. You got to earn it every time.
Got it was that punctuated or not? I just all
I just.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Wanted you to say it.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Ain't the first time.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Reality is is you know, and you and I know this,
and I've been in these rooms for a very long time.
Most of the people doing the damage to.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
Us look like us.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Oh, I got it.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Go on and let me say, I know you're you're
a believer like I'm a believer. And this word has
been circling me, which is Moses is dead. It's time
for the Joshua generation. And it's not an issue of age,
it's an issue of mentality.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
But bah old, we're gonna go biblical. Then we got
to really go biblical because because it was Moses, because
it was Moses who sent Joshua and Caleb and the
other men into the survey of the land. And what
happened was the weak dudes came back and said, ooh
they too big, they too strong. And it was Caleb
and Joshua who told him the truth. And then he

(54:22):
then said, I am going to give you your inheritance,
and then he picked Joshua to be the leader, and
then Caleb also to follow Joshua. So what has to
happen is Moses wasn't an authentic leader who then chose that.
So what has to happen is now, so what has
to happen is we gotta have some Calebs and Joshua's

(54:45):
who understand to be understudies. But then we also got
to have the Moses who know when they are moving on.
Leadership then rises up. The problem is Moses recognized he
was never going ever to live forever. The problem politically
is we got folks who don't believe they ever gonna

(55:08):
die in office, and they never actually pick a Caleb
and a Joshua. Absolutely, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
And also though not realizing and this is not not
realizing that their time is up.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
That's my point, right, Moses recognized that too many of
our folks they don't Ashley, I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
It, that's my point. Yet, you're right, we're together.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, I actually appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Yeah, yeah,
you finally came around. All right, I'm gonna go. I'm
going to the panel here. Do we finally have no
that she finally get her cricket wi fi working?

Speaker 7 (55:43):
Wow?

Speaker 8 (55:44):
Apologies to the wonderful people that I am staying with
in your beautiful home.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Please excuse Roland Martin.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
You regardless of im, it don't matter who you was
staying with, where you whether you're at your house, whether
you're in New Orleans, it don't matter. So yeah, okay, whatever, Listen,
I just the point here, whether we talk about the
shutdown or whatever. This and I heard it at today
at CBCF and I hear whatever. I go around the country, NOLA.

(56:13):
What people are looking for. They're looking for people to
lead there. I mean, everybody is scared. It's like seriously,
people are like, yo, who is going to lead in
this moment? See now she frozen. See that's what I'm

(56:37):
talking about.

Speaker 13 (56:39):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I'm gonna go to you on that one. So Greg,
that's my That's that's the thing here. People are looking,
They are craving, they are desperate for leadership.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
They are more than any single other thing. People are
afraid of pain. A shutdown that's gonna cause real pain.
It's going to cause real damage. That nasty piece of
work Russell vote that a nasty piece of work at
the Office of Management and Budget wants to shut down

(57:12):
so they can continue the project that they laid out
in Project twenty twenty five, which is basically eviscerating the
federal government, firing people permanently. John Boy Roberts and his
white nationalist majority of the Supreme Court have clearly shown
with their abuse of the Rocket docket that they are
on board with destroying the federal government, at least in

(57:35):
the short term. They're saying, well, we'll come back and
rule on the merits. But the interim is what you
have to worry about because a lot of people, somebody
loses their job, they got to go find another way
to pay their rent, to pay their mortgage, to eat
and so you know who's to say they're going to
come back to the workforce. So people are more I
think concerned about the pain they will suffer. Something that

(57:56):
sister Antienne said, I thought it was very interesting about
fifteen minutes ago, ten or fifteen minutes ago, when she
said she went into Nancy Pelosi's office three weeks into
the shutdown and said, hey, we got madam speaking, and
she said, you know, you got to have the stomach
for this. I think that was the determinative moment this country.
I don't think it's not it can't be saved in

(58:16):
its current form. It's going to have to go through
a very difficult period and who knows what comes out
on the other side. There aren't clearly Hakeen Jeffreys isn't
up to the job. Chuck Schumer was never up to
the job. Clearly, as you said, there are people in
federal representatives like o Casio Cortez and light Jasmine Crockett
who are more than up to the job. And I

(58:37):
think finally what we are going to see is that
that this quote unquote revolution, if there's going to be one,
and I hate to use the Hunger Games, the obvious
Hunger Games reference, but here it is. It's going to
come from the hinterlands. It's going to come from the
West Moores, and it's going to come from the Gavin
Newsom's and it's going to come from at the state
level in terms of governors, the Printzikers in Illinois and others.

(58:59):
It's going to come from the cities, as we see
with Brandon Johnson in Chicago or the mayor of Boston
or even soon I'm Donnie or It's going to come
from those local officials you're talking about. And so I think,
you know, even as we just received in news I
think Roland, I don't know. You have to check because
your sources are much better than mine, that they are
forced with this pure bred political hack in Virginia grand

(59:24):
Auria is and Dited James call me. What we are
seeing is that that that white national side that Trump
and his and his white Nationals handlers, they are throwing
all caution into the wind. When you are in a
fight like that, there is no such thing as a
reasonable accommodation or a reasonable compromise.

Speaker 13 (59:42):
You must now go to war.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
And I think there are going to be some losses
on the Democratic side before this is all over.

Speaker 13 (59:47):
But that that pain.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
If there's any chance for this country to emerge on
the other side of that pain with something even resembling
what it was before Trump won the election, I think
it's going to just require some pain, and people just
gonna have to We just got to get our minds
around that.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
Noel, we got you, Okay, wonderful, Well just to start
talking for you go out, just go oh jesus.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
So people are looking for a leader and all the
people that we're mentioned, But one of the things that
really stands out is everything that we've said.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It's what the base is wanting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:00:20):
I always say this thing that it's challenging to kind
of explain the policies behind a decision. People just want
to show you. They want to see you showing up.
They want to see you showing up with gloves on,
ready to fight, ready to be that aggressive person. That's
what the people are wanting. And there's always this huge
disconnect between what a politician needs to do as a

(01:00:41):
politician versus what the base is wanting that politician to do.
And right now, the base is screaming for a heavy hitter,
and unfortunately we're just not seeing it with the leadership
that exists right now. And to Ashley's point about is
the shut down the hill that the Democrats want to
die on, because if they don't have the juice to

(01:01:02):
bring Trump to the initial negotiating table, are they going
to have the Jews to turn the lights back on?
So I think that's a very interesting and important argument.
But besides that specific problem, people want to see leadership
punching back and they still aren't. And people are still
very upset about that Kirk vote in the October fourteenth

(01:01:23):
Memorial Day and the Dems lost a lot a lot
in the community with that specific vote. So they are
caught between a rock and a hard place right now
with this shutdown, with people wanting to see them show
up strong versus knowing they don't have the juice to
turn the lights back on if they don't vote with

(01:01:44):
the Republicans know to avoid the shutdown.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
So they need that fighter. We don't have a fighter
in there right now. And that's what people are wanting
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Straight up, Boor.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
We can't be scared. And it's not just them, it's us.
It's the people in our neighborhoods.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
They're suppressing the vote, they're starving social programs, they're impact
and the marginalized communities with disabilities. But those grassroots organizers,
those faith letterers, those disabled advocates, all these everyday folks
are holding this country together, even when people are getting fired,

(01:02:23):
even when they're feeling like their rights are being trampled over.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
We have to look within us. It's not just them.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
We got to hold them accountable. We have to organize.
We have to take accountability. If not you, then who,
If not now, then when it's our time. This is
our country. And as we saw with Target and our boycott,
as we saw with Jimmy Kimmel last week, if we
stick together and really do something, all it takes is

(01:02:52):
one group of people to say, hey, we don't like this,
we're not going to deal with this.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
We looked at those students at TSU week and we
see them running those mega support us out of there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Because when we organize, when we work together, we change things.
And when we start at our lower levels of government,
city council, and we're getting these people out of office
that don't belong, that are overstaand they're welcome, and we're
really educating our people, educating each other from friends to
the family, supporting each other, supporting our businesses, and getting

(01:03:28):
back to those grassroots efforts that made.

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
Us the communities that we are. That's how we get
to the next level. That's how we hold them account.

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(01:04:39):
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Speaker 17 (01:05:55):
Network, Michael McMillan and CEO of the Urban League of
Metropolitan Saint Louis and you were watching Roland Martin Unfiltered, Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I talked with Congressman Jim Clyburn of South Carolina today
at the Commercial Black Caucus Foundation AOC. We talked about
a series of topics. So let's roll that conversation, all right,
Consin Clyde Burn, We're here at City c f ALC.
And this is the thing that I people keep saying

(01:06:34):
everywhere are We're like, okay, post are gathering here, but
people want to know what's the plan?

Speaker 13 (01:06:41):
Who we follow, what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
What do you say to those people, because there's a
lot of disenchanted African Americans out there.

Speaker 18 (01:06:48):
Well, I would say that we are going through a
period of our history that many of us thought was
behind us, and in the time, you're being challenged the
way we are currently being challenged with this administration. And
it just didn't start with this second Trump administration. It

(01:07:10):
started even before the first Trump administration. And I think
that what we are suffering from is the fact that
when you have thirteen members of the Congression of Black Caucus,
that's one thing. When you get sixty members of the
Congression Black Caucus, that's another thing, which means a little

(01:07:31):
more effort must go in to trying to find a
common ground on issues. And when you've got a progressional
Black caucus like ours, when those thirteen members first.

Speaker 13 (01:07:46):
Came, they all had one thing in common.

Speaker 18 (01:07:51):
They were a majority minority districts by and large, very progressive.
When they didn't have those numbers today, our country is
less progressive, and we've got more members in our cauckers
who do not come from minor majority districts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
And I'm one of them on that point, because what
happens is, yeah, people are like, okay, well why are
they representing the black folks representing black interest? And I'm
always saying, well, you have a look at your numbers,
actually the numbers. And so you take a Sanford bishop
in Georgia, the makeup of his congressional district is different

(01:08:33):
than the makeup of congreomand Jasmin.

Speaker 13 (01:08:34):
Crockett absolutely totally different.

Speaker 18 (01:08:37):
Samford would not be here if he did not have
a way to deal with peanut farmers. I mean, when
you look at this district, see how many people here,
how many people there? The balance of power that the
difference in is winning and losing a farmers. I don't
know what's in jasmine property. I don't think you got

(01:09:00):
many farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I'm actually want to hurt the ftituents. Yeah, and in
that district, it means it's an urban district. The bedroom
communities there in South Dallas County.

Speaker 18 (01:09:10):
That's exactly right, and so we need to allow people
the benefit of that. When I first came here, my
congrestaurant district was around fifty eight percent black. Today it's
around forty seven percent black. But I have built a
good enough rapport with enough people in the district that

(01:09:33):
I still get sixty sometimes fifty eight percent of the vote.
So that's one thing. But the other thing that we
have to be really careful about is the fact that
we have got to look to people like you. I

(01:09:53):
did a interview this morning and I said, the salvation
for us in this business, African Americans right now risk
with the black media, black press, if you will, and
the black church.

Speaker 13 (01:10:12):
Because when you see.

Speaker 18 (01:10:17):
The big newspaper like the Washington Post, when all of
the opinion writers and all of the news reporters having
their work overturned by the ownership. When you have the
owner saying we're not going to fact check this president.

(01:10:37):
We don't care how been the lives you tell, we're
not going to report the lies. And you're saying to
your opinions that you may think that Kamala Harris is
the best person for us to endors I'm not gonna
let you indorsir. That's not the Democrats who will the
Democrats rely on to bring pressure right on those newspapers.

(01:11:03):
That's not happening just with the Washington Post. It's happening
all over. Ask Jimmy Kimmel, and it's happening. And so
what we have to do is respond to that in
the way that we know how. Don't get upset with
me if I can't nick this man run my editorials right.

(01:11:25):
If I write an op ed piece, it's up to
that board whether or not the print it right.

Speaker 13 (01:11:31):
So that's why it's you right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I got our own. We ain't gonna ask the malse's opinion.

Speaker 13 (01:11:37):
Absolutely, And that's why I'm here with you today. And
that's why I'm with you.

Speaker 18 (01:11:41):
Every time you call, uh, I'm gonna respond. I just
wish you would respond more often than I call.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Listen, I'm on five days a week. All you you
all you gotta say is I want to come up?
See see y'all don't do what college won Maxine Waters does.
She called me at five forty. She said, Hey, Roland,
I want to come on talk about zill. I said, well,
when you want to come on tonight? I was like,
you want to come on in twenty minutes? She's only
twenty minutes. See, so she don't play well.

Speaker 13 (01:12:09):
You know, Maxian is a little better at this than
I am. She's been doing it longer than I. She
ain't gonna admit to that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
She called me and is like, hey, not a problem
when you want to come on so but not no,
we joking.

Speaker 18 (01:12:22):
But look, I'm serious about that. I'm really serious. I
do believe that if we're going to survive politically, and then,
you know how steep I am in history, I just
believe that history ought to be instructive. I know what's
going on today. I just wrote finished my third book,

(01:12:45):
and it's about you know. I started writing this book.
I was really just writing about those eight afric Americans
that served in Congress from South Carolina before.

Speaker 13 (01:12:56):
Me, and about my.

Speaker 18 (01:13:00):
Ninety five years between number eight and yours true the
number nine. And then all of a sudden following in
the middle of doing this book, January sixth, twenty twenty
one popped up and I said to myself, Hey, I
know what this is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
And that was a specific attack. Donald Trump was attacking
for cities, absolutely attacking Atlanta, Philadelphia.

Speaker 13 (01:13:26):
Detroit, Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Absolutely, he was attacking black voter.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
That's exactly right, and that's what January sixth was about
and I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:13:32):
Glad that you mentioned you mentioned the cities, because everybody
keeps saying the state, No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
He was here specific In fact, they did a partial
recount of Milwaukee, you know, recount of Wisconsin was only Milwauk.

Speaker 18 (01:13:45):
That's exactly right, because he knows what happened the last
time the election got thrown into the House of Representatives,
and they were trying to get this election, in the
twenty twenty election on in to the House of Representatives
so they.

Speaker 13 (01:14:03):
Could do what happened the last time.

Speaker 18 (01:14:06):
Once the election get in the House of Representatives, it's
out everybody's hands.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Well, and that's the point I've been making the reason
they are jerymandered, because I keep telling people it's not
about control in twenty six. If they win, if they
keep the House in twenty six, they'll control the House
in twenty eight, right, And if anything happens with the
election in twenty eight, the House decide.

Speaker 13 (01:14:28):
The House decides, and that's what they want to do.

Speaker 18 (01:14:31):
This number of congressional delegations will term determine how the
makeup of the electoral College is all about. That's what
it's all about. Because the Electoria College is determined by
how many House members you've got and how many Senators
you've got, and then you divide that they've been fifty
percent plus one of that is how you win. So

(01:14:53):
if you get these restaurant districts, you'll have in the House. Remember,
I know when people believe that there's five hundred and
thirty five votes.

Speaker 13 (01:15:06):
No, each state gets one.

Speaker 18 (01:15:09):
Vote, and it says those states meet, they vote among themselves,
and then the majority in that state will cast one
vote for the president.

Speaker 13 (01:15:24):
So there won't be no bunch of votes five thirty
five No.

Speaker 18 (01:15:29):
Right, So no matter how many House members come out
of California, right, they will have the same standing as
a House members that come out of South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Or Idaho or Wyoming. Absolutely vo to South Dakota. One
of the things that came out in the twenty four election,
and I'm always talking about it and are we are
we going to shit? And is the Black Caucus putting
maximum press shoot on the control that these white Democratic

(01:16:04):
strategists have on the money. When I looked at the
vice when I looked at the Vice President Coamen Harris's campaign,
and I look at all these firms, the advertising money,
not what one black and small amount of money, and
so firms that were created the year before, all of
a sudden were six hundred sixty sixty one hundred pillars
running through. And what I've said is, if there's any

(01:16:27):
moment where the CBC has put his foot down and
says to the Democratic parts, the DNC, the d Triple C,
the DSCC, the Democratic Governess, all these groups and the packs,
y'all we if we are not allowing this to happen
in twenty twenty eight again, well.

Speaker 13 (01:16:46):
I should hear hope, sir.

Speaker 18 (01:16:47):
I've been as you know, I'm pressing on that I said,
I said during the election, I've said since, and I
thought that we were losing because we were turning over
too much of the decision makers to consultants rather than
sitting down with practitioners, people who aren't necessarily trying to

(01:17:11):
get to the back, who are trying to prepare a
future for their children and their grandchildren. The only reason
I'm in this business because I want to make sure
that my children and grandchildren don't live the life that
my parents and grandparents live. Because there is a real, coordinated,

(01:17:31):
well financed attempt to turn the clock back. We just
saw a new announcement from this administration. They're no longer
going to enforce fair housing laws. If that didn't tell
you what's going on. Yeah, no fair house and laws.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Well, what I've been saying is that they want to
completely defund Black Americas. Absolutely, They're targeting every single institution
in Black America.

Speaker 18 (01:17:58):
And when I see a guy, tell me they want
me to vote to preserve to honor his legacy when he.

Speaker 13 (01:18:07):
A TV.

Speaker 18 (01:18:08):
Yeah, they said, if I get them on the airplane
and I'll see a black pilot, I'm wonderful or not
that person is qualified. Nobody asked, well, not the test
kick your airmen were qualified.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
But also they never questioned a white pile that's qualified. No,
But that's the game that they play.

Speaker 13 (01:18:25):
That's the game they play.

Speaker 18 (01:18:26):
And so my point here is if those black pilms
were good enough to win World War Two, and you
can come out and make all these movies about the
Red Tales and honor them, but you don't give them
the GI Bill to go to college or to get

(01:18:47):
a home or to buy a home in the black community.

Speaker 13 (01:18:51):
That is what we're going back to.

Speaker 18 (01:18:54):
So the fair house and laws came about as a
result of that, now they're saying, no, we force it
in the boat.

Speaker 13 (01:19:01):
So you can go back to that. That's what's going
on now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Last question four a year. This was a huge issue
in twenty four and we're still seeing and that is it.
And I hear around the country the need for a
very specific, targeted focus effort on black men and speaking
to the issues that they care about and energizing them

(01:19:24):
as well. Is that happening. Do you see it happening?
And if not, what should be happening?

Speaker 13 (01:19:32):
Well, it should be, and I think it is much.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:19:36):
I think a lot of people started all of this
being cute. I have three daughters, not hav any sons,
got a couple of grandsons. But my three daughters started
warning me about this wedge that they felt developing, saying
everything the black woman this, and the black woman this,

(01:19:58):
and they were very conscious of the fact that that
could very well drive a wedge between black women and
black men. And all of a sudden we saw that
the Poland indicated that black men who were drifting away
from the Democratic Party. And I think it has a

(01:20:18):
lot to do with some black men wondering where do
I get my attention. There are some issues that are
unique to being black in this country, and there are
issues that are unique to being a black man in
this country, and we know it, and we ought not

(01:20:39):
allow these kinds of discussions to determine how we react
to each other or how we react when voting is
taking place.

Speaker 13 (01:20:49):
So we're working on that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
And one of the things that I've said to the
ALP that I said to the other fraternities as well,
I said, I said to Prince Hall Mason, I said,
gotta be using this infrastructure that we have, to me
is not being properly utilized.

Speaker 18 (01:21:05):
Absolutely, you and these dropping all my conversations. Yeah, you
know you and alphonom In Omega uh and we both
have very good Kappa friends and Sigma friends and we all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Get Prince all Mason.

Speaker 13 (01:21:20):
Absolutely yeah, this third what are you doing? Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:21:23):
This thirty third degree ring I read all the time.
I believe that we have enough organization in the Bond community.
The question is how are we utilizing them? And we
have got to utilize the Divine Nine. We got the
utilize the Masonic Orders, both the Missions and the Eastern Star.

(01:21:48):
We gotta utilize the Boulet and all these other community
based organizations that exist.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
And what I say to them is they have got
to stop being insular and only from learning about internal
business and the community needs to see us president, accounting
for at city council, media, school board, media, prigious meeting,
state capital, US capital, and properly mobilizing the vote of
door to door precinct by precincts.

Speaker 13 (01:22:16):
Absolutely, I've done it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:22:19):
I have this project you know about called the full p's.
Now you know what we used to say with the
full piece back up the other side to.

Speaker 13 (01:22:25):
Turn that into.

Speaker 18 (01:22:28):
A positive, but you would say blank pull prior planning
full peace to me pastor Paris Precinct project where I've
been meeting with pastors, I've been meeting the leadership of
the faith community and trying to organize precincts so that

(01:22:51):
we can energize people when the election time comes around.

Speaker 13 (01:22:56):
So I think you're right on the money.

Speaker 18 (01:22:57):
We are to yether on this, and you and I
are going to have to stop talking to each other
and stop talking to everybody out there.

Speaker 13 (01:23:04):
Let's do it, all right, Appreciate it, Appreciate you, sir,
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
All right, folks, I'm gonna go to the break, we
come back, so breaking news regarding form my FBI di
wort to James call Me. We'll have that next. We'll
also talk with uh the e Lietenant, Governor of Michigan,
Garland Gold, Chris all of that right here, Roland Martin
unfiltered on a blackshow network.

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Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Low Well. After being pressured by Donald Trump, the Department
Justice has indicted former FBI director James call Me, claiming
that he lied. This is the New York Times front
page right here. Former FI director call Me indicted after
pressure from Trump. Kendelanian, who is the national security correspondent
for NBC News, is tweeting he's hearing from DJ folks,

(01:24:38):
saying this is one of the worst indictments ever. It
is clearly all about Trump's pressure pressure atturned General Pam
Bondi to do this. Not only that, who's next now, Donald,
they also report that Donald Trump he's now wanting an
investigation of the Department of Justice into the George Soros Foundation.

(01:24:59):
So what you're going on now? I've heard that they
have been targeting individuals that have received funded funding from
the Soros Foundation because they want to declare them a
criminal organization. What you have here, You've got Republicans Greg
who've been saying that, oh, this is you know, the
Biden Harris They targeted Trump and his people unnecessarily. They

(01:25:22):
were prosecuting their they're prosecuting their enemies. No, they actually
are prosecuting people who broke the law. And again Kendlane
has been reporting on this, saying that first of all,
the attorney, the the the US attorney in Virginia, they
were not moving forward. Trump fires the US attorney puts
it in an airhead former a pageant winner to be

(01:25:45):
the US attorney who's never prosecuted the case in her life,
to say no, get this done. So this is Donald
Trump absolutely saying prosecute my opposition.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
That's absolutely right. Roland None of us are happy about pain.
None of us are happy about anyone suffering. But the
enthusiasm that I've had since the re election of Donald
Trump to this day is really undiminished. In fact, I'm
more enthusiastic now than ever. This is a serious business
in a country of three hundred and thirty plus million people.

(01:26:19):
The question that should be at the front of our
minds today is really how strong are the institutions that
hold this country together. I have a lot of confidence
in state, in local institutional structure. I'm talking now strictly
about government at the federal level. What we are seeing
is an unbridled and wholesale attack on the question of

(01:26:41):
the institutional structure of the federal government. Pambody is incompetent,
Cash Patel is incompetent, and we can go down the list,
all of them incompetent. Their adult sighting pen thanks NBC
for creating this problem by propping him up as if
he were a businessman instead of playing a businessman and
letting do that on TV for over a decade. He

(01:27:04):
is mentally unwell, He's unstable, and of course he is
bit deeviled by the idea that his enemies are after him.
We are at a moment now, however, when I think
we are getting close to finding out collectively just how
strong the institutions are, and I think this Comy indictment
is the next step in that area, in er in

(01:27:26):
that direction. For this reason, they were able to secure
an indictment. They're not going to convict James Cony of anything.
They're certainly not going to convict James or something. If
they can manage to hoodwink a grand jury into indicting her,
they won't be able to get George Soros either if
they do that. What they are, however, doing, is obscuring
the inevitable march to the thing that Donald Trump. I'm

(01:27:48):
not talking about any of the rest of them, Russell Vote,
I'm not talking about any of the other people, Steve
ban and Steve Miller. What they are not going to
be able to do is prevent him from the thing
that he is concerned about. We saw, course, as you
reported out of Arizona before yesterday at Alita Grijalva getting
that seat. Well, they now have enough people to trigger that.

(01:28:11):
Massy ro Juhanna asked to get those Epstein files released.
The only way they'll be able to block it is
if there's a shutdown. Oh and she can't get sworn
in the single thing he is obsessed with of these
damn Epstein files. And I'm saying that we are at
a moment when what can be revealed now is indeed

(01:28:32):
the strength or the weakness of these institutions. And I'm
saying that Roland listening to you talking with Jim Clyburn there, who,
with all due respect, is right about a lot of things,
but probably maybe maybe should pass this on to the
next generation to carry this fight on. I'm not saying
that he's finished at all, but I'm saying that what's

(01:28:52):
coming ahead now is going to require a resolve that
the people in this country have. Jimmy Kimmel will be
on tonight because the people said, we don't care the
white nationals are being exposed Sinclair. They're saying, well, we
won't run.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Fine, go to hell.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
More people watch YouTube anyway, your audience is bigger than
the people who are on cable and everybody running over
here now anyway. My point is that as people get
pissed off, the politicians are going to have to follow
the masses of people who are moving towards that we
don't care part because when they captured this car, the
white nascists have thrown acid on the apparatus of the

(01:29:29):
federal government. And what is being revealed now is what
will be left after the acid burns everything else away.
I'm saying that's probably a positive development.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
But what we're looking at here, Noah, is very simple.
That is Donald Trump, I said the outset of this year,
they want to defund Black America. What they want to
do is they want to completely cripple the progressive infrastructure
that is nonprofits, the money. They're trying to declare SOLROS

(01:29:59):
a terrorist organization. People need to understand what they are
doing the efforts to defund Black America. They're targeting academia,
They're targeting HBCUs, they're targeting jobs, They're targeting black businesses, nonprofits,
they're targeting everything. This is their plan and they're executing it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
Absolutely. And my day job, you know, and the world
the real work that I do. There are so many
meetings that are being convened. I can't tell you how
many trainings I've been in in terms of cybersecurity, in
terms of protecting my own digital footprint and what to
do once, you know, if attacked.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
And one of the reasons is because.

Speaker 8 (01:30:43):
One of the orgs that OSF is affiliated with, Laura Loomer,
attacked the organ this particular organization, which is, you know,
one of the foundational organizations within the large scheme of
national security and foreign policy. So attack the organizations, attacked

(01:31:03):
the nonprofits, attacked our funding sources. We're already having a
challenging time because progressive anything, you know, is not being
funded right now. And for the organization, I'm affiliated with
Women of Color Advancing Piece and Security.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
We have women of color in our name.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
So what's the best way to continue this attack on
you know, black people, definitely black women, definitely on progressive,
progressive agendas.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Attack the funding source.

Speaker 8 (01:31:35):
And while OSF they're still writing checks and they're still
depositing checks where other organizations are still trying to figure
it out. This would be a huge blow in the
progressive agenda. And that is intentional, you know. But going
back to our earlier conversation and tying in the conversation
you were having with a representatively cleborn, a lot of

(01:31:56):
people are having a hard time dealing with where many
of us on this show, we already are at we
understand what it's going to take for someone to stand
up to this administration, and a lot of people are
really just trying to do the math and a calculus
if that's what they want to be doing right now.
People were promised in American dream that does not exist,

(01:32:19):
and people are rightfully pissed off about it, but they're
also trying to negotiate, Okay, what am I willing to
give up?

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
What am I willing to do?

Speaker 8 (01:32:26):
Because right now I am telling you from a political
scientist perspective, and I was sharing this to one of
my mentors yesterday. Right now, the next step to this
is violence, and I think people are rightfully so trying
to figure out where they want to be in that spectrum.
The person who steps up and lead, they're going to
have to sacrifice a lot. They are going to be targeted,

(01:32:50):
they are going to be attacked. So people have some
very serious decisions to make. And I get it because
Trump is out there right now talking about how strong
the right is, stronger than the left in many ways.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
He's absolutely right.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
These militia type folks have been wanting to go out
there and do crazy stuff to people for a long
time where you just have people who just want to
live their lives, right to be with their families and
travel and do all the things. There's nothing wrong with that.
So I just want to my last comment, I got
the right from you, So let me shut up. Where
we are right now, people have to figure out what

(01:33:23):
are they willing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
So boy, again, what you see here by then by
Trump forcing the dj to indict Caming, look, they're not
going to do anything. I mean, they notice is an awful,
awful indictment. But is it is to have a chilling effect.
What Brendan Carter of the FCC, what they want to
do is they want to freak everybody out, scare them
to death, and cause people to fear saying or doing anything,

(01:33:50):
And that to me is not the answer.

Speaker 7 (01:33:54):
Definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
I think that we understand that this is just a tack,
one more tech thing that is Trump going after his
enemies and making sure that you are scared to come
for him. You are scared to say anything against this agenda.
We saw last week, in the last couple weeks with
Charlie Kirk and how every time you say something you

(01:34:16):
are attacked for telling the truth. You are attacked with
no evidence of doing something wrong, and people are being
punished for these things, and this situation is no different.
This is just showing how we as a people have
to be aware of what they're doing and really move

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very strategic and our response to all of these attacks.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
And yes they may not be able to convict.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
Them, but just to share allowance of bringing an indictment
that way says that hey, it's okay to go after election.
Vote workers are after the person that disagree and that
are advocates. So they're trying to scare people out of
fighting them with the tech is that are known to work.

Speaker 7 (01:35:04):
And that's just it's really disheartening.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
To see that this is how we're We're we're having
to fight with our hands tied by behind our bags.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Really, yep, that is the goal. All right, quick break,
we'll come back. We'll talk with Michiglatin, the governor. Garlin
goldcres right here. Roland Martin, unfilted on the Blackstone Network, said.

Speaker 15 (01:35:23):
The quiet part out loud. Black votes are a threat,
so they erased them. After the Supreme Court gutted the
Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican legislatures moved fast,
new voter id laws, polling place shutdowns, purges of black
voters from the rolls. Trump's Justice Department didn't stop it.

(01:35:43):
They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ backed Ohio's
voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased Black voters.
Their goal erased black votes and political power. Yeah, that happened.
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Speaker 7 (01:36:18):
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Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
I need something.

Speaker 13 (01:36:26):
Blow me out, let me look that it by.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
All right, folks. He is the tendagver of Michigan. Garlic
Gokrasz also its can be running for governor next year.
He joins us. Right now, I glad to have you here.
First and foremost, let's talk about what is happening. States
are being greatly impacted by the madness two blocks from us.
You looked at the federal look at the DOGE cuts,
You look at what's happening to farmers as well house

(01:36:54):
Michigan being impacted by the absolutely chaos coming out of
this nonsense cal administration.

Speaker 19 (01:37:00):
It's hitting our people hard and fast Roland. When you
talk about those cuts, you know, when they severed those
union contracts with public sector unions, that hit three thousand
people in Michigan that no longer have that labor protection.
And these are the people who are nurses at the VA,
These are the people who work for the National Lake
Shores in Michigan, in our parks and streams. These are
people who work hard, like my dad, who's a federal

(01:37:22):
retiree from the Department of Defense. They're coming for people,
and I think it's really it is chaotic because it's
disrepting people's livelihoods. But then when it comes to what
they're doing for healthcare, We've already had a hospital, Royal Hospital,
and the un peninsul of Michigan say they're going to
close their Attorney World. We're already seeing the hospitals being
able to pull back services and that means that more
babies gonna get born on the freeway sit in the hospital.

(01:37:44):
That means that more seniors they have a cardiac event.
They're going to die in the car before they get
to the hospital. This maga agenda from Michigan is dangerous.
It's deadly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Man, Look at Boblin. Is he won Michigan. And I've
said this here that the only way these things changed
if his voters feel pain. I mean, because a lot
of them thought it was gonna be those other people.
They thought, Oh, it's gonna be the black folks, it's
gonna be undocumented workers, It's gonna be those people. And

(01:38:16):
you got a whole bunch of crime farmers, you get
a whole bunch of people who were like, oh my god,
I'm gonna lose my family farm. Well you voted for
Oh you didn't realize you were voting for that stuff too.
You thought were you just voting for that stuff?

Speaker 19 (01:38:29):
But it's important though, we have to tell the story
though about really where this pain is coming from. That's
one of the reasons why I spend so much time
on the road in Michigan reminding people that yes, Donald Trump,
John James, who voted for this stuff in Congress, who
wants to be the governor of Michigan, like that man
voted to take away your health care that man has
stood by and let these terrors come in which hit

(01:38:50):
Michigan hardened in any other state for our manufacturing and
our farmers. They can't sell no soy products to China now.
But these markets are collassing because Republicans broke them. But
that's why so important that Democrats step up, that we
tell the story aggressively and forcedly, that we show up
for people that said, you know what, I know you
can't afford your gro sees. I know you can't afford
your health care. I know you can't afford diapers. I

(01:39:12):
know you broke the bank to get school supplies to
your kids to start school. Now, we got Republicans even
on the state level, who have been imitating these cuts,
and we have to push back against them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
To your point, to that point about messaging, that point
about how do you tell that story, how do you
convey that? That to me is also the weakness, because
what I believe is that Democrats are fearful to go
into red areas and have a conversation. And my deal
is they have to. They gotta go on there and say, oh,

(01:39:43):
I know you're a county voted seventy percent for Trump
or whatever, the number is. But let me be real clear,
here's the stats on how your county is now being
impacted by that. And I think the folks vote has
to be thrown back at them to say, hey, you
can sit here and blame it on Biden and Harris
can't blame on your county voted for this. So now

(01:40:05):
what are you going to do? Oh so now you
want to come running to us to save you after
Trump and MAGA screwing you over.

Speaker 19 (01:40:14):
Well, look, you cannot get votes from people who you
will not go see. So look, as Lieutenant governor of Michigan,
I've been to all eighty three counties in Michigan at
least three times. I will go and see anybody in
Michigan anywhere at any time and talk about, Yeah, what's important.
It is urgent for you right now. What you're worried about,
how expensive things are, how it's not working. Yeah, that's
what this president did to you. So now we need

(01:40:37):
to talk about what you need to do to them.
You need to make sure that those who support them
get out of there and out of the way, that
we elect strong leadership. Michigan is going to push back
against that and make something happen to protect people but
then actually position them to be able to pursue their dreams,
positioning to be able to afford to be in Michigan
and succeed the people who are worried they're never going
to be able to afford to buy a house.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
But like perfect example, it's a whole bunch of Teams
trips in Michigan, and they wouldn't endorse Vice President Kamala Harris.
The Teams's president, Sean O'Brian spoke at the Republican Invention.
He's made it clear he's going to be funding Republican candidates.
And so even though Biden, Harris saved the peaces of
six hundred thousand and so this is the where to

(01:41:20):
me again, This is where if you're Democrats, you say, hey, Teams,
just we tried to tell you, now you so again.
Folks want to cut like I've seen this everyway. They
want to come run to Democrats. Can you help us,
can you save us? You cut your own throat because
you supported him. Well, look, I take that that.

Speaker 19 (01:41:38):
People know that Democrats can actually start a problem all
except that, but we also maybe we need to separate
the leadership from these organizations. Maybe are the people who
are actually the rank and file union members who are
feeling that pain, not the wealthy people who running it.
Maybe we can show them that this is whether the
opportunity is to vote for something different, to make something
different happen. That you have the power. This stuff just

(01:41:58):
does not have to happen to you. You can make
something different a real reality in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Question the panels the bore you first.

Speaker 7 (01:42:10):
Go, hell, I'm sorry, it was freezing up.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
So my question to you is you said you go
into all of the different communities in Michigan for these
individuals that are not maybe their team is not telling
them to go into these communities, or they don't know
exactly where to go. What is your advice to get
them to be more engaged with those communities.

Speaker 19 (01:42:34):
I mean, you can't get the support of people you're
scared of. So I have no advice for leaders who
are too scared to go meet their people. I'm not
built like that, you know. I come from a community
that believes that the only way you can connect is
through having the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
So they have to really boss up and say, if.

Speaker 19 (01:42:51):
We want to serve, if we want to leave we
got to go see people and maybe have an uncomfortable conversation.
But I've talked to people who are frustrated about not
to be able to afford their housing, to people who
are frustrated because they've been working the same job for
five years and finally got a raise and their rent
went up the same amount as their mortgage. But why
did that rent go up because their landlord is squeezing
And why is their landlord allowed to squeeze them Because

(01:43:13):
too many of these big corporations that own these properties,
they've been allowed to just do whatever they want. People
want leadership that will hold people accountable so those prices
can come down and they can be able to afford
to be in Michigan and succeed. And that's something that
I think leaders need to be able to go and
tell that story about what they would do about the
problem that people articulating to them. Right now, I'm going
to do that so maybe they can, you know, take

(01:43:34):
my lead and they can see that as a model
for how they need to move forward.

Speaker 13 (01:43:38):
Nola.

Speaker 8 (01:43:40):
In addition to that, thank you so much for your remarks.
In addition to the model that you're suggesting, you know,
I'm very pro southern strategy. I'm very pro outside of
the Beltwagh strategy, any sort of strategy. And I know
that a lot of politicians are about where's the wind
going to be? Is there a use case to where

(01:44:04):
going into non democratic friendly areas? Is there a test
case or two where it worked, where the strategy to
go in these more red leaning areas and you eke
out a win?

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Perhaps?

Speaker 8 (01:44:19):
Can you add that to your model as you go
in and you talk to some of these electeds when
you talk about strategy, is there some something that they
can see on paper like, no, this actually works.

Speaker 19 (01:44:30):
Yeah, the model includes going everywhere. I'll give you the
example of Macomb County, Michigan. I've been on the ballot
twice with Governor Gretcha Whitmer in twenty eighteen and twenty
twenty two. Now, in twenty twenty, Democrats lost McComb County.
In twenty twenty four, Democrats Lostmcomb County. But we want
it why Because I spend time there. I talk to

(01:44:50):
those UAW members, I talk to those hospital workers, I
talk to those janitorial services folks, and I understand what's
important to them so that when it's time to vote.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
They believe me.

Speaker 19 (01:45:00):
They know I'm going to be the one who's going
to be there for them. I haven't talked to that
Trump voter who had signed a mortgage for her first home.
Rolling she signed a mortgage, and then ten days later
Trump announced that first round of those terriffs, and Stillanchi's
laid off nine hundred people at her plan.

Speaker 13 (01:45:17):
That happened. Immediately.

Speaker 19 (01:45:18):
I had to go see her and say, well, what's
you gonna do, because it's not a temporary layoff.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
What do you need to do?

Speaker 19 (01:45:22):
She said, yeah, I need I need to think about
this a different way. This wasn't what I voted for,
but now I need to make something different happen. So
we got to get people that option. And you can
only get people that option. You can only show that
you're an alternative if you're willing to be there and
sit with them and work with them. So I know
what it takes to win in a place like McComb County.
And the reason that national reporters when they come to
Michigan during presidential elections, they go to McComb County because

(01:45:45):
that's the place that can swing either way depending on
how much they trust the candidates who they put in
front of them, and the way you build trust is
by showing up.

Speaker 13 (01:45:54):
Greg.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Thank you, Roland, and thank you. A quick question. What
are the numbers look like? Relate with our two? What's
the number you think you need to bring voters who
typically and I get.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Running it for a docky But hold on, Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg,
your your semblants breaking up? So research Yeah, yeah, yeah
it was. It was like it was like jittery there,
restate your question.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
Oh okay pretty quickly and think, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Yep, it's still doing the same thing.

Speaker 13 (01:46:34):
Hold on, yeah, let's yeh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
Let's do this here, let's take off I will do
this here, take off the ear bug and then okay,
there we go.

Speaker 13 (01:46:43):
Yeah we go.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
Okay, thank you brother.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
It was his ear It was his earbuds. Nola, it
was your cricket wi fi, Nola, stop, don't trip ya crazy.
We fished. We finished his problem in in seconds. Nola.
You froze five times, you rolls five times, Nola. You
get whatever? Greg, ask your question now we can hear you. Greg.

(01:47:06):
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
I'm embarrassed to say even thank you, Roland, and thank
you brother Gil. Chris. I want to ask you a
quick question. What's your sense of the number or the
relative percentage you need to hit in terms of voter
turn out for the people who are already registered and engaged.
And I want to speak to the elephant in the room,
whithough he's not running as an elephant or a donkey,
but as an independent, the Mike dug In factor. How

(01:47:28):
could Dougin plan this race and maybe even serve as
a spoiler and maybe elevate a circus clown like John James.

Speaker 19 (01:47:34):
Let me answer that question first. The story in Michigan
about this general election is a very simple story. If
we get the right Democratic nominee that the entirety of
our coalition can trust, from the most progressive people who
are the most on fire to the most centrist and
minder people of our coalition. If everyone trusts that nominee
and you can hold the coalition together, we will hold

(01:47:56):
onto this nomination and we will win. A Democrat will
win a mission. And I am the candidate who can
hold that whole coalition, who the voters of the city
be short where I am from, and who I am
of the voters will support me as someone who represents
them and their future, not somebody who they can no
longer in trust in, who represents the past. They will
see me as the person who they can support and

(01:48:16):
they can believe in, and they won't vote for a Republican.
They will show up and we'll get record voter turnout
in the state of Michigan because the last time we
had record voter turnout with the time we had a
young black candidate where everybody was excited about. So that
is the opportunity that my candidacy provides here in the
state of Michigan. So what we need to do, We
need to mobilize those black voters anchor organize them, persuade
them to be in this game. And I'm the person

(01:48:38):
who can bring those young men back into our coalition,
the person who can inspire young people to get engaged.
That's why we have a college program, in a non
college youth program, the person who can mobilize those voters
who are on fire because Trump is setting our economy
on fire in the state of Michigan, where the state
that is hardest hit by tariffs, hard.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
In any other state.

Speaker 19 (01:48:57):
And also then by organizing those labor reunion members, it's
bigger than the leaders. It's the members. Now I'm a
candid that can hold that whole coalition together. That's what
it's gonna take. The way someone who can build that,
and there's a path for that, not only to win
a democratic nomination, but to win the governorship.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
That's what we're gonna do. I want to get you
to waiting on this here. Pastor aar Bernard gave a
sermon the other day and I just thought it was
so on point, and I think.

Speaker 20 (01:49:25):
It also speaks to how I believe political leaders should
be speaking to folks who love to proclaim Jesus, but
then you don't necessarily see that reflected in their palace.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
His role this.

Speaker 14 (01:49:39):
Sainton was biblical. He was quoting texts, but he's sure
enough he was tempting Jesus to use his power authority
and influenced recklessly. And we can't people in power and

(01:50:02):
authority and using it recklessly. It is not quite like
I don't care how much you call yourself a Christian,
because I'm jugging you by the standard, the one that

(01:50:25):
said on the way, I'm the truth, I'm the life.
Every other way, every other truth, every other life must
be judged by my standard.

Speaker 13 (01:50:39):
So don't tell me.

Speaker 14 (01:50:40):
How Christian you are, how much of a follower of
Jesus you are, and you're engaged in inactivity that modualized, disenfranchised,
shrift and lead people in poverty.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
No, no, no, don't you tell me.

Speaker 14 (01:51:02):
That is not the Jesus of the text. The apostle
Paul said this.

Speaker 13 (01:51:21):
He said, when those who don't know the law.

Speaker 14 (01:51:27):
Do those things that are written in the law come
on which you can, means you can.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Be christ Like and not even biblical.

Speaker 14 (01:51:44):
But when they do those things that are written in
the law, they prove that there is a universal law,
a higher standard written on every.

Speaker 13 (01:51:52):
Human high.

Speaker 14 (01:52:04):
So we've got people throwing scripture at us, justifying their
activities because they find and support it with the text.
But there's only one judge that I have.

Speaker 21 (01:52:23):
Are you rooting the character of Jesus. It's not either all,
It's not one or the other.

Speaker 13 (01:52:36):
It's both.

Speaker 14 (01:52:37):
And because you could be christ Like without the text,
which means you have no godrails, and your Christ's likeness
can become sentimentality that is in violation of the character
and nature of God.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
So you need the text.

Speaker 14 (01:53:00):
But the text is the support Christ's likeness. They work together,
so you can wear your cross, you can play your music,

(01:53:20):
you can have all of the symbols.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
And I'm not gonna judge you by your music.

Speaker 14 (01:53:29):
I'm not gonna judge you by your symbols. I'm gonna
judge you by the standards.

Speaker 22 (01:53:44):
You can't politicize my Jesus. You can't nationalize my Jesus.
You can't culturalize my Jesus.

Speaker 14 (01:53:55):
Because at the end of the book in Revelation, John said,
I saw a multitude of people from every nation, from
every language, from e gric culture, and that was the
picture of the Kingdom of God.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
So I want to play that because what I have
long maintained, I've long maintained that democrats, who are people
of faith, have been weak. They have allowed uh, these
white Christian nationalists, the conservatives, to own the cross, own Jesus,

(01:54:37):
and what and what to What I've said to the
politicians is my deal is. You know, I had a
we had a huge debate a couple of years ago
where I went after a pro life I said, now
you know, y'all ain't pro life, the anti abortion I said,
you ain't pro life if you cut Medicare and medicaid,
if you cut food benefits and to me, uh, that's
how I would be going directly, directly at the right

(01:54:59):
p here by saying, if you want to talk about
what Jesus spoke about, here are the things he talked
about and challenged them on that. I just think too
many Democrats can is run from that fight versus run
to it.

Speaker 19 (01:55:13):
Well, first of all, Democrats need to be comfortable talking
about their faith.

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
Period.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
I was raised by a Baptist minister.

Speaker 19 (01:55:20):
I'll talk about my faith and more than any Democrat
and say the Michigan because it's important and it connects
with people. But we also know that faith with our
works is dead, and what we have to show is
that disconnect. That's what the passenger said. The Bible is
more than the verses. It's the actions that it inspires,
the actions that it described, that is what we need
to emulate, not just the words that people said.

Speaker 13 (01:55:42):
Jesus did things.

Speaker 19 (01:55:44):
He helped people, He served people, he listened to people,
he connected with people, he wept for people, he showed up.

Speaker 13 (01:55:50):
He was the great intercessor.

Speaker 19 (01:55:52):
In order for us to serve, we have to do
the same, which is why again I go back to
you cannot serve people. You are scared to go see
So this is a full contact sport. This is football,
not tennis. We need to go and be with people
and sit with them and let them know that they
can trust us. When people don't trust you and they

(01:56:13):
don't see results, that's when they leave.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
But if they trust you and they know you can
deliver for them.

Speaker 19 (01:56:18):
People in Michigan who tell me about how their daycare
bills are more expensive than their mortgage, they trust me
as a problem solverer that can guarantee daycare because I've
already delivered fourteen hundred new child care facilities in thirteen
months in the state of Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Now we can guarantee that for every parent and every family.

Speaker 19 (01:56:36):
But you got to go see somebody to tell them
that eyeball to eyeball, you have to see somebody and
let them know that they feel you and you feel
them and what they're going through.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
They can do it. And that is an act of faith.

Speaker 19 (01:56:47):
That's an active faith not only in God, but that's
an active faith in human connection.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
And we have to have that. We can't be scared
to run away from that. Roland Also, I think it's listen, Yeah,
the Bible talking about Jesus turning over tables. I mean,
my del also is you gotta people going to take
a fight to folk, that's right. And I just think that, Uh,
I just I just believe that we're in this moment
the public is demanding show me somebody who is fighting

(01:57:12):
for me, who's fighting for right, who's fighting for the
proper values?

Speaker 13 (01:57:17):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
And who is going to articulate that.

Speaker 19 (01:57:19):
A fighter has to believe something, you know, you know,
any any boxing you talk through, they gotta believe. They
gotta believe that they are the best, that they can win,
that they can overcome. And people, if people don't see
what you believe, then they won't believe that you're gonna
fight for them. But if they see you believe in them,
that's the beginning of knowing that you're gonna fight for that.
And then when yeah, they can smell that that's not

(01:57:40):
that's not real. But no, that's why when they see me,
when I show up, there's somebody who's been here before.
There's somebody who's gonna be there again. It's somebody who's
gonna work with me and fight for me. If I'm
in the room, they're in the room. That's what we
need to know. That's what we need out our fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Absolutely. And uh and I was I was looking at
this here.

Speaker 15 (01:57:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
So you've been lieutenant governor two terms under Gretchen Whipman. Yes, sir,
you've already announced that is she endorsing you. She has
not endorsed me. Well, I said that she will not
endorse me. Okay, Well, I'm gonna say this here. No
put a camera on me. I'm gonna say this here
point blank. I don't see how you, Gretcha Whipmer, can
pick somebody to be your lieutenant governor, which says that

(01:58:21):
if anything happens to me, that person is emly qualified
to be the governor of the state. And for you
not to endorse this brother, to me makes no sense
whatsoever because you clearly wanted the votes that he brought
to you in those two elections, and this is where
you return the favor. And so let me real clear.
He ain't asked me to do this, That's why I

(01:58:42):
asked the question. But to me, I don't understand how
you could. You're not running again, and I know you
may want to run for president, but let's be real clear,
Gretcha Whipmer, you should be endorsing Garland grill Crast Guilcrast
to be the next governor of Michigan. I don't care
what other Democrats are running, but if I picked somebody
to be by number two, that means that I believe

(01:59:03):
that they could be the number one. If anything happened
to me, well then that's what you should be doing.
So that makes no sense to me whatsoever. And the
folks in Michigan should let her know that as well.
So that's just me talking. Let's be real clear, intending
to govern. I appreciate you being here, man, thanks a lot.
Thanks for having me. Bro all right, thanks a bunch.
Let me thank the board, Greg and Noela on today's panel,

(01:59:26):
thank you so very much. Go get you some Wi Fi. Please,
womany send you a group on you maan to send
you a group on or something.

Speaker 8 (01:59:37):
You're about to kill your friend over there.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
You send you a group on, a.

Speaker 8 (01:59:44):
Care package. Send me all the things, Send me all
the things. Yes, Roland Martin appreciate my control room.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Told me one more time, Nola Froze. I'm like, man,
I'm ancust somebody, that's right. I seen her text message
like get your stuff together.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
So is that a care package or no, just to
kind of clarify, take.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Care of yourself and get your WiFi straight. All right,
all right, yeah, yeah bye, all right, Gregs and Bore.
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, folks. Tomorrow, Ellie mister
and I talked about how the Trump folks are trying
to tear down the Federal Housing Fair Housing Act in
nineteen six, State would have had that for you as well. Tomorrow.
Now coming up, now, we're not gonna break. We're not
gonna put with the control. Y'all have the penalty earlier,

(02:00:26):
y'all have a cute up. No, I don't want it
that way, okay. I wanted to flow directly from here
to there y'all earlier. Okay. I need y'all to pull
it up earlier, y'all, y'all and follow my directions. I
told you this earlier. Earlier today, folks, Congress from the
Hank Johnson had a pound talking about the judiciary and

(02:00:48):
what's going on, y'all. It was Ellie Mischiel, it was
Mile Wiley, Christopher Haley was a Christian Clark a really
important panel. I need you to understand the importance of
the Supreme Court. These federal judges, the state Supreme Court,
all of this here in Michigan. Of course, the sister
who won as well. When Democrats took control of the

(02:01:09):
Supreme Court in Michigan, that allowed for the changing of
public policy. So folks, y'all got to understand these state
supreme courts really important, real quick. Just tell folks how
it critically was how the state Supreme Court when it changed,
how they impact the public policy.

Speaker 19 (02:01:24):
The Supreme Court is the backside for the policy. Everything
ultimately will get challenged there. And by having people who
respect the law and share our values, we've been able
to move policy that we had not been able to
move for thirty years in the state of Michigan. Worker protections,
environmental protections, consumer protections. The court helps us make sure
we take care of people in need sticks and that's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Why our folks to understand why voting in state supreme
graces are critically important. So you do not want to
miss this panel conversation, and we got coming up next.
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