GOP Blames Dems for Shutdown, Pew Poll Slams Trump, Crockett Responds, Bad Bunny Super Bowl Fire

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Today's Wednesday Number First twenty twenty five Coming up on
Roll Up, Mark Doon Pulpers streaming live on the Blackstar Network.
Day one of the Donald Trump governments shut down and
guests Republicans are blaming Democrats even though they control the House,
Senate and the White House. We'll hear from Congressman why
is it fum? Democratic House Leader Hakim Jeffries, and we'll

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talk live with Texas congress Woman Jasmine Crockett. A new
Pew Research Center poll chose americans viewed Donald Trump, jd
Vance and Congrescia Lewers in both parts. He's more negatively
than they do positively. We'll break it down with the
Director of US Politics. But research at pute. The DECRESTIA
is still fighting to keep healthcare costs under control for

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American citizens. We'll talk to the President the National Medical
Association with the battle means for healthcare professionals. A white preacher,
white priest speaks on Charlie Kirk and man, Dude, the
white folks go crazy. Wait till we show you what

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this New Mexico pastor had to say. Plus, Puerto Rican
pop star Bad Bunny is pissing off MAGA because he
was chosen to headline the Super Bowl. We'll talk with
Rosa Clemente about the controversy. Man, it's a lot to
break down, and it's time to bring the funk on
Roland Filchrick on the Blackstar Network.

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Speaker 4 (02:11):
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Speaker 5 (02:12):
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Speaker 6 (02:31):
Rolling Monte Mortel.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
All right, folks, Day one Republican Land Government show down,
and man is getting little funky. Republicans keep blaming Democrats,
and they keep advancing the lie over and over and
over that Democrats are trying to get healthcare for undocumented
workers who they call illegal aliens. Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson,

(03:18):
we're all, good morning America, and George Stephanopolis literally reads
him what the Democrats letter said, and Josh like, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not it.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
Roll it this morning.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
The Democrats' proposal is designed to prevent millions of Americans
from losing their health insurance, losing Medicaid coverage, or paying
higher health care premiums.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Why are you against that.

Speaker 9 (03:41):
That's an absurd statement what you said there. Let's be
clear about what actual Lady night, George, No, George, let
me tell you what happened last night. Everybody can go
and review the facts for themselves. Forty four Senate Democrats
voted to reject a clean, non partisan continuing funding resolution
to keep the United States government open. The Democrats said
instead that they wanted to give healthcare to illegal aliens

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instead of keeping critical services provided for the American citizens.
That's what happened, plain and simple. Every Democrat in the
House except one voted against the clean continued resolution. It
was nonpartisan in nature. There are no policy writers on
it that Republicans favored. It's exactly what Chuck Schumer and
other Democrats voted for in March. But they've changed their

(04:23):
tumb They changed their tomb because Chuck Schumer is having
political problems right now. That's just a simple fact, and
everybody knows that he's trying to outrun the far left
portion of his base, so he's decided to inflict pain
on the American people care reality.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Well, here are the facts.

Speaker 8 (04:38):
The proposal does not provide health care for illegal immigrants.
Illegal integrance cannot buy healthcare under the Affordable Care Act.
They cannot receive healthcare subsidies. Immigrants are ineligible for Medicare, Medicaid,
and the Children's Health Program. The Democratic build does not
make them eligible.

Speaker 9 (04:55):
It does actually, because what it does is it unwinds
the changes that Republicans put into the bi beautiful Fill,
the big signature legislation that we passed and signed in
the law in July fourth.

Speaker 10 (05:04):
That has been various.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
Okay, I can't keep listening to that line.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Joining us right now is Texas congress woman and Jasmin
Crockett plan to have you.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
On the show.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
As I've said before, my Congress, why is my house
And I'm still a registered voter in the thirtieth Congressional
district of the Dallas suburb there?

Speaker 7 (05:21):
All right? So his what's crazy?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Congreswiman Crockett, He literally is reading from the whole deal
and johnp No no no, I said, that's a lie.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
It's a lie. It's a lie. How is it a lie?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You can't undocumented folks can't get healthcare?

Speaker 7 (05:39):
It's the law. What the hell is he?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Jd Vance, Donald Trump and all the republic is talking about.

Speaker 11 (05:46):
Listen, they hate facts. I mean we know that. That's
why they refuse to acknowledge that this is what seemingly
looks like a career criminal that is serving as the president.
This is why they refuse to face the fact that
January sixth was what it was, which was an insurrection.
They are consistently trying to rewrite history. Even when we

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talk about black history, they want to basically tell us
it was a glorious thing or how they have glorified
Jim Crow. The reality is that everything that George said,
this is not about those that are undocumented getting healthcare.

Speaker 12 (06:24):
Now, let's just be very real about this Rowland, Like
for two seconds.

Speaker 11 (06:28):
We have seen them going into people's places of work.
We have seen them going into places of worship. We
have seen them going into people's schools and grabbing them up.
We have also seen how a lot of these undocumented
people have tried to go through the process. They are
people that are going and showing up to court and
they are being disappeared. So you tell me how many

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of them you think are about to say, well, you
do what, but I do want to sign up for
that health care that I'm not entitled to because the
Democrats are about to fight for it.

Speaker 13 (06:57):
Like that doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 12 (06:58):
That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
Literally, they are throwing people into alligator Alcatraz. But now
they are trying to sell us on this has That's
not what it is. What it is is that they
are proposing to take one trillion dollars out of the
healthcare ecosystem. They have decided that they are going to
slash Medicaid and Medicare funds. They have decided that these
subsidies that were helping some people actually able to afford

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their healthcare, which is life saving for some people, that
they want to roll back that subsidy for those that
are on the Affordable Care Act.

Speaker 12 (07:30):
That is what this is about.

Speaker 11 (07:31):
And then they want to say, well, you know, this
isn't the time to talk about it.

Speaker 14 (07:35):
Well, I can.

Speaker 11 (07:35):
Remember so many times where we were dealing with a
shutdown and they decided to inject the issue of say
the debt ceiling and capping that off and not raising
it and things like that. And the final point that
I'll make Roland is that these people are trashy and
tacky and ridiculous because he's referencing that there was a

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continuum resolution done in March. Yes, they never passed in
appropriation all of last year, and now we are at
yet another deadline for a new appropriation and they can't
get those pass. These people cannot govern. I am tired
of people giving them the benefit of the doubt and
acting like they are serious. Take them as seriously as

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you take the president's tweets.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Absolutely and again they keep saying it.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And then what that me was he said, well, no, no, no,
they literally presented to us a document. Okay, show us
the document. Show us the document where it says we
want healthcare for undocumented people.

Speaker 11 (08:44):
No, they don't have a document to that effect. And
I want to be clear that this shut down is
going to impact everyone. It's going to impact our constituents
and their constituents alike, but also the things that we're
pushing for as Democrats, basics around healthcare. You know this,
this is the party allegedly that is pro life, at
least until the life clearly shows up.

Speaker 13 (09:04):
And then they don't care.

Speaker 11 (09:06):
We are trying to do everything that we can to
minimize the damage that has been caused by this administration
as we are dealing with record unaffordability. Unaffordability that was
absolutely avoidable because this is not where our economy was.
It wasn't necessarily where people wanted it to be. But
it is ten times worse and we're not even a

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full nine months in. So we are trying to make
it to where as people's other's costs are increasing, whether
it's their food, whether it's their rent, whether it's the
education for their children, we are trying to make it
to where at least when it.

Speaker 12 (09:41):
Comes to healthcare, those costs are.

Speaker 11 (09:44):
Not somehow slamming them against the wall when we know
that they are already going to endure an increase because
of the big ugly bill. This is going to be
yet another second setback for people, and we are trying
to minimize the damage.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So this is what I keep getting. Do Democrats have
the tenacity the guts to hold out? Republicans are trying
to blame them. They're trying to say it's all on Democrats,
it's their fault, And so what is the messaging strategy
to hammer this thing home as opposed to y'all getting blamed?

Speaker 11 (10:24):
Well, first of all. I don't do message and strategy
for the party. But what I will tell you is
that I have been very clear the Republicans control the
White House, the Senate as well as the House, and
effective leadership starts at the top. These are the words
of the current president. He ain't saying it currently, but
we know that Donald Trump historically said if there is

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a shutdown, you blame the president. Well, I'm just asking
his followers and mine to listen.

Speaker 12 (10:52):
To his own words and go ahead and blame him.

Speaker 11 (10:54):
And we know that he's to blame because there was
goodwill on behalf of the minor leadership. They were trying
to meet with him, and he didn't feel like it
was just that important. In addition to that, once they
finally did have a meeting, he obviously did not take
it seriously and he did.

Speaker 12 (11:11):
Not engage in good faith negotiations.

Speaker 11 (11:14):
In addition to that, we know that when we passed legislation,
as soon as this guy came in, he impounded funds,
he stopped sending money out that we had appropriated. So
not only do you need to come to the table,
but you need to tell us why. We can be
assured that once we get what it is that we're

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asking for that. You won't just go and violate the
law and do whatever you want to do anyway, which
is what he's been doing ever since he's been in office.
So we have a long list of reasons not to
give in, especially when you get nothing. Why, Like, he's
not who our voters voted for. That's not who elected

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those Democratic senators. The Democratic Senators were elected by presumably Democrats,
and they were elected to.

Speaker 12 (12:05):
Do smart things.

Speaker 11 (12:06):
They were not elected to roll over like the entire
Republican Party has done, even to the peril of their
own constituents.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
One of the things that I also I think is important,
and I'm citizen yesterday, bish William Barbara always talks about this.
He says that what critical is showing impacted people, showing
those folks hearing from them, not just having political leaders
talk your thoughts of that as well, because that way,
when you have the children of government workers, the people

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who are directly impacted by a government shut down, speaking
about how this pains them, I think that's also effective
for people to hear from those voices.

Speaker 12 (12:49):
No, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 11 (12:51):
There were a couple of press conferences that were held
yesterday by the Democratic Caucus because we've been here in
DC ready to work, and in those press conferences, definitely
there were some voices of people that talked about the
importance of number one healthcare. And I'm sure as we

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start to truly feel the impacts as it relates to
federal workers, that some of those stories will absolutely come forward.

Speaker 12 (13:20):
To what we have found in polling, though.

Speaker 11 (13:23):
I will be perfectly honest, is because of probably the
demonization of so many federal workers for so long by
the right, that we don't end up getting as much
sympathy for them as.

Speaker 12 (13:37):
In my opinion, we should.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
Instead, it's a matter of people are pretty much saying,
you know what, how is this going to impact me?

Speaker 12 (13:45):
So when they're going.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
Through the airports, I think the stories of you know,
the fact that the lines are even longer, that their
weights are longer, that flight delays are even worse. We
know that the last time we were able to get
out of a shutdown, which again was another Trump shutdown,
it was because of air traffic controllers.

Speaker 12 (14:06):
Air traffic controllers said we out.

Speaker 11 (14:08):
And they were the ones that single handedly brought this
thing to an end. Because now you've got corporations that
are calling in to the President and talking about the
amount of money that they're losing in commerce. You also
have just passenger airlines that are calling in talking about
the amount of money that they're losing. And so, honestly,

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the most powerful people in my opinion in this moment
are the air traffic controllers. We already know that we're
down air traffic controllers anyway. We also know that we
have an incompetent food that is running the Department of
Transportation in the first place.

Speaker 12 (14:41):
We are experiencing record delays as it is.

Speaker 11 (14:44):
So I do think that if you know, industry speaks
up and speaks up quickly and talks with their pockets,
that we may be able to get somewhere.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Absolutely that is currently important. I got a panel here,
they got quote one question each for you, So let
me go to them. Rebecca Caruther's President's CEO Fair Lecture Center.
Your question for Congswoman Jasmin Crockett.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Thank you, Congres Sliman.

Speaker 15 (15:11):
What should ordinary everyday Americans be doing at this point
in response to the government shutdown?

Speaker 11 (15:18):
Yeah, so one of the things that I think is
important kind of goes along with what Roland was just asking.
I think they should be documenting their experience. Is I
always tell people that the power belongs to them, and
so tell your own story. You don't have to wait
on somebody else to call you and tell it. There's
so many times that we've seen certain stories that really
have touched people and have gone viral. So I say,

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document what you're going through. Whether it is you know
you needed to leave the country for an emergency of
some sort and you're having issues as it relates to
your passport, or whether it's the fact that you know
you missed a flight because of what's going on and
now you missed out on, say a job opportunity, whatever

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your story is, or if you are a veteran and
you're at the VA and you're not getting services like
you need, definitely document this. And it is my hope
that the morality of Americans, good Americans, good patriotic folk,
speaks up and elevates.

Speaker 12 (16:19):
A lot of these stories. So I would say document.

Speaker 11 (16:22):
The other thing that I would say, it ain't really
got that much to do with the shutdown, but in
general about the economic situation that we're in is continue
to hold on to your dollars, hold on to as
many dollars as you can, because unfortunately, every single thing
that this administration is doing is really wreaking havoc on
our economy, including the shutdown.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Their author and speak out of DC, Randy, what's your
question for the congress woman?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 16 (16:50):
Congresswoman cropit you spoke about how the air traffic controllers
have a lot of power. Right now, are you or
anyone else in communication with them? What are they singing?
What is the union saying? Are they already speaking up?

Speaker 17 (17:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (17:06):
So funny thing. When you're effective, they decide to change.

Speaker 12 (17:11):
The rules to the game. So they changed the rules.

Speaker 11 (17:13):
After they were effective in basically, you know, bringing this
thing to a halt and getting us back on track.

Speaker 12 (17:22):
So they are not allowed to do some of the
things that they did last time. We will see what happens.

Speaker 11 (17:30):
I don't know, but you know, it's a very difficult
line for me to walk as I talk about this,
But I will tell you that we have already been
down on air traffic controllers, and I would hate for
us to end up in a situation in which we
have even more air traffic controllers that we lose as

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a result of them, say calling in or calling off.
While they may bring the government back to the stance
of open we know that air traffic controllers it takes
a long time. It takes approximately a year to train
an air traffic controller. So I'm kind of nervous about
us losing even more because we know that they riffed

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some of them when they shouldn't have.

Speaker 12 (18:14):
So I have concerns, but I do want us.

Speaker 11 (18:18):
I am hoping that there are some federal workers they
recognize their power and at some point brings something to
a halt so that we can get out of this
holding pattern that we're in and get back to the
business of the people.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
All right.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Next up, Joy Cheney founder George georgetrages out of DC.

Speaker 13 (18:38):
Joy Hi congresswoman. So I'm a two term the lum
of the Senate. I have not worked in the House, unfortunately,
but I do know that the only way this will
work is shut down effort will work is if Democrats
stick together, Otherwise you know, will fall apart and it
will have been for nothing. Right now, it feels worth

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the sacrifice, but we got to stick the landing. I'm
concerned about the Democratic Party and our ability to hold
things together. We know Senate to Schumer lost three votes
last night. What are you telling your Democratic colleagues about
sticking together? And you know, how is your voice carrying
in those those corridors of power. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
So I don't know that the Senate listens to a
word that I have to say. You know, they are
considered the upbirth their chamber, so you know, I don't
know that they're necessarily listening to me. But one of
the things that I actually proposed to a Senator that
I am close to prior to the shutdown was that
we caucus together, that we have House Democrats and Senate

(19:44):
Democrats come together. Most people would probably be surprised to
find out that we don't actually do that at all,
at least not since I've been in Congress. We've not
come together as one caucus. So I am hoping that
we can come together to hear each other.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
Out and also strategize together.

Speaker 11 (20:05):
I think that you know, having two hundred something other
Democrats in addition to.

Speaker 17 (20:12):
You know, the.

Speaker 11 (20:12):
Forty something senators, I think it really could be impactful.
And we know that in the House we only lost
one Democrat when this vote came up. So I am
hoping that leadership is talking. There was another member that
actually brought up us coming together, and I think that
if they can start to get to know us and
hear our voices, that it'll be a lot easier to

(20:35):
stick together. If there's a total of you know, close
to two hundred and sixty Democrats between the chambers.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
All right, then, well, cos on mccrockett.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's a whole lot going on, and we're going to
stay on top of this as well, a lot of
people going to be impacted by it. And look at
the end of they stay strong, stay firm, because these
folks here they want to control.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
Well, they got it. Now, they got to own it.

Speaker 12 (20:59):
Yeah, thanks so much.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
All right, thanks so much, folks.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
A lot of people speaking out against this. Earlier today,
congress Woman Quaisi Infoomate had this to say about the
government shutdown.

Speaker 18 (21:27):
Thank you very much, Denny, and thanks to this entire
delegation for staying together the way we do and for
speaking out as we must.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
A couple of things.

Speaker 18 (21:40):
There's some deliberate redundancies here because the problem is very
very simple. The problem is Donald Trump. I want to
thank those federal workers who have come out from various
unions who stand here with us. They are not here
for former fashion. They are here because they are patriots.

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They get up every day and put on their clothes
and go into buildings and work to deliver services for
Americans all over this country. And they don't ask are
you Democrat or Republican? They provide the service. Theirs is
the untold story. And so all those who claim now
to have this Christian right movement, let me give you

(22:23):
a quote that you should go back and review. It says,
when you have done it to the least of these,
you have also done it unto me. And the least
of these are federal workers who can't control this situation.
The least of these are mothers who are trying to
feed babies now facing new cuts. The least of these
are seniors who've given their lives to this country, many

(22:45):
of whom have served in our armed forces. That's the
least of these. They many are living paycheck to paycheck.
So give me a break, Donald Trump, and mister Voit
and all the others who have this holy than thou attitude.

Speaker 10 (23:02):
We know what's best for you. No you don't. You
don't know what's best for these federal workers.

Speaker 18 (23:07):
And you sure as hell don't know what's best for
the Maryland delegation. We will continue to fight you at
every turn, in every instance and in every way. This
is about the sort of thing that you read about
that you say could never happen in America. We want
to see something. Senator Alsobrooks will confirm this. There's a

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big flag of Donald Trump hanging from the Labor Building.

Speaker 10 (23:35):
The Labor Building, a huge flag with his likeness on it.

Speaker 18 (23:40):
That's ego, that's being vindictive, and that's an in your
face kind of attitude. Now, the bottom line is that
this was all avoidable. We know that we have to
keep saying that because they make it seem like it
was inevitable.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
It was avoidable.

Speaker 18 (23:58):
All it took was a willingness to discuss, to negotiate,
to share thoughts and ideas to get through this seven
week period with this resolution without hurting people in the process.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
But that was not enough.

Speaker 18 (24:11):
They wanted to find a way instead to stick it
to Americans. And so it's a continuing resolution now that
finds a way to increase many of the terrible experiences
that people are having by increasing the pain. It wasn't
that tough to be able to do three simple things.

(24:32):
Stop the cuts, lower the cost, and save health care
in this nation. It was just a seven week continuing resolution.
But when you get on your horse, Donald Trump, and
tell your compatriots, mister speaker, that it's okay to go
your own way, go have a holiday, go tab a vacation,

(24:55):
go to Codel do whatever you want to do. You
don't have to worry about coming back to war Washington.
That was the message last week. So there was never
any intention at all to try to find a way
to work together. We want this government open, and we
want Donald Trump and his menions to stop lying to
the American public.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
This has nothing to do with illegal aliens. Nothing. There's a.

Speaker 18 (25:21):
There's already a federal law that prohibits anybody in this
country that's an illegal alien to be able to take
any claims onto monies and benefits. We know that, we
know that, and Donald Trump knows it. We've got to
find a way to ask today good Americans, some of
whom we will never meet. They are Democrats, they are Republicans,

(25:46):
and they are independents, and they know right from wrong.
They know when you impose an evil, sort of wicked
policy on people.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
It hurts them.

Speaker 18 (25:56):
I mentioned women before who are trying to feed babies.
When a baby at night, that baby is not crying
in black or white or Latino. That baby is crying
in hunger. That baby is crying in pain. When senior
citizens reached the point where they can no longer do
anything except rely on their Social Security checks and medicaid

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in medicare, they're not doing that for form or fashion.
They're doing it because of a solemn promise we made
to all of them that as the greatest, wealthiest, most powerful,
most influential nation on the face of the earth, that
they would never have to worry about that. And yet
they do worry about it last night, and they are
worrying about it today. So I want to just thank

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this delegation for its stead sass resistance to the foolishness
that we see coming out of the White House, and
to ask decent Americans, no matter what your party affiliation,
no matter where you are in this country, put yourself
in the roles of these people who are federal workers
who are standing behind us. Put yourself in the role

(27:03):
of those persons who are living paycheck to paycheck. Put
yourself in the position of having an opportunity to make
an influence and to change things. Call your representatives all
over this country and tell them to do the right thing.
Don't buy the hype, because the hype.

Speaker 10 (27:20):
Is for fools. I want to if I might bring forward.

Speaker 18 (27:26):
Somebody who needs no introduction, the chairman of the ranking
member of the Judiciary Committee, and one who has always
stood strong and steadfast against wrong in this country.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
So, folks, you see all those back and forth, and
what's going on is that you look at the polling,
A lot of folks that are not happy with anybody.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
A new Pew.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Research survey reveals widespread frustration with Donald Trump and Congress.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
That's right. This new polling data comes out.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Trump's approval ratings stays at forty percent, nearly six to
ten Americans saying they disapprove of the job he's doing.
More than half of the country is not happy with JD. E.
Vance Fifty one percent disapprove of the vice president. Congressional
leaders are not faring any better. Speak of the House
of Mike Johnson, Republican. He's view unfavorably about thirty eight percent.
See the majority leader John Fulne fifty six percent. Actually no,

(28:20):
fifty six percent Americans say they ain't never even heard
of him. Democrats are increasingly critical their own leaders House
Mallori leader, how I Kee, Jeffrey sentiment, my leader, Chuck
Schumer seeing rising disapprovals. Schumann's favorability among Democrats has notably
declined over the past year.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Josceon and Kelly, director.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Of Politics Politics Research at Pugh Jones's right now, glad
to have you here. So, Josceon, what the hell's going on?
Volk just pissing everybody?

Speaker 19 (28:44):
Yeah, you know, voters, Americans have not been particularly happy
with American leaders for a long time, and we're seeing
it today and this shutdown is happening against that backdrop.
And some of it is because Americans haven't really seen
Congress and our government work as well as they'd like
it to for not just this moment, but for many years.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, so we always see this, but the reality is
they're going to vote for somebody. And so, look, people
complain about the President, they complain about Congress, but at
the end of the day, they're going to vote. So
what is the polling data showing, I mean, give us
a sense deeper, you know, what are they looking for?

Speaker 7 (29:28):
What are they saying they want.

Speaker 19 (29:30):
Yeah, Well, one of the things we're really seeing, and
you mentioned it, is that Democrats in particular are expressing
a lot of dissatisfaction with their own party. So Chuck
Schumer's favorability ratings have gone down.

Speaker 14 (29:41):
Over the course of the last year.

Speaker 19 (29:44):
It's pretty amazing that Democrats are equally likely to have
an unfavorable opinion of Schumer as a favorable one. That's
really not what you usually see. You see that people
tend to like the leaders in their own party at least.
And then when we ask a general question about, you know,
how whether you approve of how Democratic leaders in Congress

(30:06):
are doing? Do you approve of how Republican leaders in
Congress are doing? This is really the first time in
our polling where a substantial majority of Democrats disapprove of
Democratic congressional leaders.

Speaker 14 (30:18):
That but but to your.

Speaker 19 (30:19):
Question, it's not to say that Democrats like what the
Republicans are doing. So there's just a lot of dissatisfaction
on the Democratic side about their leadership heading into the shutdown,
but not just about you know, the events of the
last couple of days. So, you know, some of what
we're seeing is that Democrats want their leadership to do

(30:41):
more to you know, push back on the Trump administration.
And I think that's that's sort of why we see
where we are with the shutdown.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
So so what I hear around the country, and so
obviously I'm not polling on the folks all are, but
I got a pretty good sense of when I travel
around the country, what I keep hearing people say is
they want to see Democrats fight.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Listen, Saturday night, at.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
The Corestion of Black Caucus Foundation ALC dinner, they always
introduce all of the CBC members. They introduced sixty one
the CBC members. Of course, Congressman's avest to turn and
passed away, so that position has yet to be feled
because Texas Governor Greg Abbott refused to call a special election,
so it would actually be sixty two. And out of

(31:29):
every person who they mentioned that night, the loudest applause
in that room was for congress Woman Jasmine Crockett. And
what people say. Black pat did a poll and we
were told us point blank that her approval numbers among
African Americans are almost on par with form.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
President of Barack Obama.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
And what I hear people saying is thank God, somebody
is fighting. Is that what your polling data is also
showing at what Democrats are saying. They want to see
someone fighting, and they don't believe that Humor and Jeffries
are giving enough fight and take it to the Republicans.

Speaker 19 (32:04):
Well, I don't think we quite can say that they
don't believe that Schumer and Jeffries are not doing that.
But over the course of this administration so far, we
definitely have seen Democrats wanting Democratic leaders the Democratic Party
to push back on the Trumpet administration. But it's not

(32:25):
a universal attitude.

Speaker 14 (32:26):
So I think some of.

Speaker 19 (32:27):
It is that you've got your Democrats who are more
politically active, that group in particular is wanting to see
that fight.

Speaker 14 (32:34):
But there are some Democrats who are who are more moderate.

Speaker 19 (32:37):
Who maybe don't necessarily have that same view. But that's
not unique to this moment we vote. We saw it
among Republicans during the Trump administration. There was a real
I mean sorry, during the Biden administration. There was a
real desire to push back on Biden, and it was
particularly concentrated among the most politically active Republicans. So, you know,

(32:58):
we're definitely seeing it a democrats. Uh, you know, we're
we're seeing hints that that Democrats are not happy certainly,
you know, with Schumer or a sizable share of Democrats.

Speaker 14 (33:09):
I've been unhappy with Schumer. You know, Jeffries'.

Speaker 19 (33:12):
Ratings are pretty much on par with other with how Republicans,
for instance, view Johnson, or how Republicans view Une. So
Jeffrey's ratings are not particularly negative. A lot a lot
of Democrats actually don't aren't familiar with the King Jeffries yet,
so so I think that's more of an open question.
But but Schumer is a more familiar character.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Gotcha. So could you compare in contrast the last time
you'll actually poll with these questions and is it eroding
further or has it gotten better now?

Speaker 19 (33:47):
We asked about all of these leaders at the very
beginning of this administration, and what we've seen is not a.

Speaker 14 (33:53):
Huge shift in attitudes.

Speaker 19 (33:54):
But but pretty much everyone's viewed more negatively, including Trump
vance you know, Une, Johnson and both Democratic leaders are
reviewed more negativity than they were in February. But we
also for Schumer, for instance, we have attitudes going back
several years from when he was majority later for instance,
and Democrats were a lot more positive about Schumer, you know,

(34:18):
in twenty twenty four and back in twenty twenty two,
so there really has been a change in attitudes about
Schumer among Democrats over that period.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Questions from my panel, Joy your first, So.

Speaker 13 (34:33):
You know, what is the nature of African Americans and
how do they relate to the party, because you know,
I was just talking to someone today and they're like,
we want all African Americans to vote, but we're not
sure we want them to vote for Democrats. You know,
we're not seeing the Democratic Party, not that we want
to vote for Trump, but that we're looking for a

(34:53):
third way. And you can feel how you want to
feel about that, But I no longer question people's feelings.
It is what it is. What are you hearing about that?
You know, there's just so much frustration with white liberals
in particular and white moderates in particular. They simply do
not seem like allies to the African American community. What

(35:15):
does your polling show about that?

Speaker 19 (35:18):
So, as you know, our polling shows what a lot
of other polling show is about twenty twenty four, that
there was some erosion among African Americans and support for
Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four, and Trump did better
among black voters than he had in twenty twenty and
in twenty sixteen, so that we see that that real movement.

(35:40):
We also pick up some dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party
among Black Democrats.

Speaker 14 (35:47):
To be honest, it's.

Speaker 19 (35:48):
Not more pronounced than other dissatisfaction among Democrats with the party,
but I think you're certainly tapping into something real there
that they're from various parts of the Democratic base, including
and importantly black voters.

Speaker 14 (36:05):
There are some dissatisfaction.

Speaker 19 (36:06):
Still, the vast majority of black adults Black voters either
lean towards or support the Democratic Party. That hasn't fundamentally
changed in recent years, but there certainly is more dissatisfaction
I think, or some shift that we've picked up on.

Speaker 14 (36:27):
In recent years.

Speaker 12 (36:30):
Rebecca, what analysis.

Speaker 15 (36:34):
What takeaway should federal elected officials, namely members of Congress
take from this polling?

Speaker 19 (36:42):
Yeah, Well, from this polling, and I think some of
our other polling right we've seen so for instance, Congress's
ratings overall, not just these individuals, but ratings about the
institution are very unfavorable. They have been for some time,
but that's not how they've always been, and the public
when you ask them and they look at Congress, they

(37:05):
don't see as much getting done as they'd like to
see get done in Congress. And so I think that
shows up when you ask about the particular leaders, you know,
these four individuals and on the Democratic side.

Speaker 14 (37:18):
Jeffries and Schumer.

Speaker 19 (37:21):
But it's really also you know, I think every time
there's some there's one of these shutdowns or the threat
of a shutdown to some extent that erodes Americans' satisfaction
or or views about government and what government can do
and what government should do. So I think that's I
think an important takeaway and I think, as I say,

(37:41):
it shows up and the fact that every single one
of these congressional leaders, and also the president and the
vice president are viewed more negatively than positively by the public.
You know, that's we're used to that now, but that
wasn't always the case.

Speaker 14 (37:55):
And I think the question is is.

Speaker 19 (37:57):
There a way for these leaders to find a way
through to a place where where Americans actually don't, you know,
reflexively have negative views of the people who lead the country.

Speaker 12 (38:08):
Randy, who are these for?

Speaker 16 (38:13):
I'd love to know the forty one percent that who
are seeing Trump's presidency as favorable or looking at him
in a favorable light. What are the demographics on those people,
because I don't understand them, and I would just love
to understand, you know, are they located in certain areas
of the country, or is there a particular age group,
But I'd love to understand that for.

Speaker 17 (38:36):
Sure.

Speaker 19 (38:36):
I mean, they're they're largely they largely follow the demographics
of the group who put him in office in the
in the first place. Right, So they are older than
you know, as a general rule, they are older than
other Americans, but not across the board sizeable share of
young people voted for Donald Trump. Uh, they're less likely

(38:57):
to live in urban areas than people who voted for Harris.
They really are the people who voted for Trump in
twenty twenty four, we haven't seen that much erosion in
his approval rating among.

Speaker 14 (39:13):
The people who voted for him.

Speaker 19 (39:14):
Now a little bit young Trump voters are a little
bit less likely to approve of him than older Trump voters.
But still it's something like, you know, it's nearly eighty
percent of young people who voted for him still have
a positive view of him and his presidency. So a
lot of the same dynamics that we saw in twenty

(39:35):
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
All right, then, well Dawstin, we sh'll appreciate you bringing
this down for thanks.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
Lot, Thank you, folks.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
All his government shut down stuff you want to see.
Who was also just a massive liar Jendie Vance. This
is literally what he said today from the podium. It
was so awful that MSNBC had to stop broadcasting to
correct the lies.

Speaker 20 (40:01):
Listen, Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering
health care costs, and yet when the President took historic
action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription
drug prices, the Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact,
we would have loved to have the Democrats helping.

Speaker 21 (40:16):
Us, but they didn't.

Speaker 20 (40:17):
They talk about doing something, they don't actually do the
hard work of making it happen. What they have done
instead is to shut down the government because we won't
give billions of dollars to health care funding.

Speaker 21 (40:27):
For illegal aliens.

Speaker 20 (40:28):
That is what has actually happened to the American people
who are watching. The reason your government is shut down
at this very minute is because despite the fact that
the overwhelming majority of congressional Republicans and even a few
moderate Democrats supported opening the government. The Chuck Schumer, AOC
wing of the Democratic Party, shut down the government because
they said to us, we will open the government, but

(40:49):
only if you give billions of dollars of funding for
health care for illegal aliens.

Speaker 10 (40:54):
That's a ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Rebecca, He's lying, he's straight lying. Biden, Harry and Democrats
literally lay it on reducing drug prices. Trump comes in
and reverses what they did.

Speaker 15 (41:09):
Not only that, but Republicans have the vote. If Republicans
could get their caucus together to actually vote to keep
the government open, it's because they don't want to. And
the reason why they don't want to, I know. We
keep referencing Project twenty twenty five. Project twenty twenty five says,
do a government shut down so you can accelerate a
reduction of force, so you can continue doing briefs, so

(41:31):
you can continually shutting down government permanently not filling in
back jobs, not backfilling jobs. But also to permanently reduce
the number of federal workers.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
So this is part of their plan.

Speaker 15 (41:46):
And so while it's great MSNBC cut out, but I
need every news media outlet to cut out and say hey,
This has been their plan all along.

Speaker 14 (41:55):
This is the plan that they're working off of.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean it just what you're seeing. You're seeing
the advancing of lies. And that's what right wing media
is going to do. They're going to advance the lot.
Fox and Friends is going to advance a lot. Every
show on Fox News newsbacks One, America News News Nation.
They're going to all advance these lies to stand up

(42:20):
Trump and the Republicans.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
And we understand why why they do it right, because
it works. I mean, it won them an election.

Speaker 16 (42:28):
It made an insurrection sound like a day at the park.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
I mean, their lives work because their base does not
question what they say they are.

Speaker 16 (42:37):
They follow these people blindly, and so they recognize that
they can put something out there and people will absolutely
believe it.

Speaker 13 (42:45):
And so it's worked.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
It's worked for them.

Speaker 16 (42:47):
And so what we have to do is continue to
play not just defense, but offense. We should know by
now that they're going to lie, and so we should
ensure that we're putting the right information out there as
much much as we can.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Although you know, those people just look at one.

Speaker 16 (43:03):
Station unfortunately, but still find ways to get everyone out
there that is knowledgeable about what's really going on, because
they are going to lie.

Speaker 22 (43:11):
That's guaranteed.

Speaker 13 (43:13):
Joy just to keep the facts out there, Federal dollars
in healthcare do not go to undocumented immigrants, So if
they're saying that, they're lying to you. What we're trying
to do, what Democrats are trying to do with is
to make sure that the tax credits are extended at ACA.

(43:33):
Tax credits are extended, would you rely on whether you
know them, we know it or not, are extended so
that your healthcare premiums will not go up if you
do not have the tax credits. And it's really unclear
whether or not any change right now will make a
difference next year because insurance companies are already setting their premiums.
But what we're trying to avoid is what could be

(43:54):
upwards of a seventy five percent increase in your premiums.
So they don't like Donald Trump has no interest in
lowering costs, which is what he said he ran on,
he's no interest in that. And it's also about restoring
some of the cuts to Medicaid, which they did to

(44:16):
fund tax breaks for billionaires, So billionaires over babies, billionaires
over family, billionaires over life, that's what they did. So
this is so the Democrats are saying you got to
come to the table, and they are choosing not to.
They are in the majority. We've said it before, a president,
a House, a Senate.

Speaker 7 (44:38):
All right, then gotta go to the break.

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Hey, pretending to be Roling Martin. You ain't got to
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Speaker 22 (47:37):
All right, you're fifty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's over when you.

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Speaker 1 (47:42):
Unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undamned believable. The Republican back bill
to keep the government from remaining open failed. Every Democrats
contentially demanded and extension off Affordable Care Act tax critics.
Without it, millions Americans go see their insurance premium skyrocket
barely to Governor Wes Moore explain with the shutdown means

(48:05):
for his state and others across the country.

Speaker 28 (48:08):
A prerequisite to keeping the government open should not be
cutting people off of health care. A prerequisite for keeping
the government open should not be forcing people to have
their premiums jump. So on behalf of the six and

(48:29):
a half million narrollers. My message to President Trump is clear,
stop this shutdown.

Speaker 10 (48:39):
You're the one causing it, we're the ones dealing with it.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Roger Mitchell, president of the National Medical Association, joins us.
Right now, I'm glad to have you here first and
foremost looking at this, how do you see the impact
on black healthcare professionals, which the NMA represents.

Speaker 22 (48:57):
Well, Black healthcare professionals take care of black people. The
majority of who we take care of, particularly those that
are in rural and urban spaces that are black, are
taken care of by our physicians. And so when you
talk about individuals that don't may not have access to

(49:20):
care because their insurance premiums go up or this HR
one has stripped them from Medicaid, then we put ourselves
in a position to not be able to take care
of those patients. And if we're not taking care of
those patients, then we're not earning an income. One of
the big things that that that that is that we're

(49:41):
seeing today, this shutdown can cause can cause some real,
real problems.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
And when you say those problems, lay them out, how
stark can this be?

Speaker 22 (49:53):
Well, at the end of the day, we're talking about.
This tax credit is for low and middle income people
who purchase healthcare insurance through the Affordable Care Act. These
are individuals that we're talking about an estimated of one
hundred and fourteen to one hundred and fifty percent increase

(50:15):
on average of out of pocket costs for the average American.
We're talking about over one thousand dollars in every year.
The marketplace since twenty fourteen has doubled. You're talking about
twenty four million people that are insured under this expansion.
The majority of those individuals are poor and middle income.

(50:38):
Now those individuals will have to make a choice on
whether or not they're going to pay their premium and
have health insurance, or if they do, then they're going
to come out of pocket where they need those costs more.
Maybe they're housing, maybe their food, maybe their transportation. No
one is winning right now. People are losing their paychecks,

(51:00):
even those that are furloughed, And so we're talking about
individuals that are going to seek care in the emergency
department when care is absolutely required. And that's the problem
of going backwards. People that have insurance are going to
access care through primary care mechanisms, but people that don't

(51:23):
have insurance and don't have access to insurance are going
to access their care through emergency departments. And so that
means that the emergency departments are packed, the emergency departments
have lines, and the emergency departments aren't just for those
that are impacted by this insurance issue or this shutdown.

(51:44):
It's going to impact individuals that have insurance that are
trying to use their insurance in the emergency department. So
those weights in the emergency department increase not just because
of what's going on with the shutdown, but what is
also posed in HR.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
One explaining for people payouts.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
We talk about Medicaid cuts, we talk about I mean,
you've got Republicans like the Cender from Mississippi saying, oh,
Democrats of the reason rural hospitals are closing, explain to
people how that how this.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
Really works.

Speaker 22 (52:20):
Well at the end of the day Medicaid and medicare.
Medicaid is for those individuals that have a particular threshold
to the poverty line. Medicare for those that are older
over sixty five years old, and so both of them
are government subsidy. If we take Medicaid, Medicaid is subsidized

(52:42):
in the government through a federal match. When those federal
matches are decreased, or individuals have work requirements that require
them to show that they're working, even though the majority
of individual Medicaid are working. When there's now instead of

(53:03):
every one year, individuals on Medicaid have to show eligibility
based upon this new proposed law, you have to provide
that eligibility every six months. When we're talking about those
individuals that have full coverage on Medicaid, this is going

(53:26):
to put us in a position where that full coverage
is decreased, so individuals won't have access to vision, won't
have access to dental, and so the local government in
communities pays a portion of a person's insurance. Then the

(53:48):
local government pays a portion, and the federal government pays
a portion. With this Medicaid rollback in HR one, as
well as these subsidies being decreased through the reduction of
the tax credit, more and more individuals will not have
access to affordable insurance. Insurance is what pays the bills.

(54:13):
And if you don't have insurance and you have to
pay cash, and no one is paying cash for their
health care.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
So what do you recommend, folks do? I mean, what
has to happen because at the end of the day,
this thing is happening.

Speaker 22 (54:26):
Well, at the end of the day, we have an
opportunity to push back on this. I see what the
Democrats are doing. And again, the National Medical Association is
a nonpartisan organization, and like I said, there're nobody that's
winning in this period of time when we're fighting this fight.
We need to make sure that those tax credits are preserved,

(54:49):
that they do not expire so that those individuals that
are low and middle income people can afford to purchase
their health insurance without increased premiums. First, right, and so
those politicians, Democrat Republicans, it doesn't matter to us, need
to focus on what is important for the American people.

(55:11):
The other piece with HR one, at the end of
the day, those work requirements need to go away. The
risk to duel eligible those that are poor and elderly,
and the retroactive coverage reduction needs to go away. There
needs to be making sure that everyone has access to

(55:31):
their vision and dental eligibility. This six month eligibility needs
to be back to one year, because that is bureaucracy
that is really going to remove individuals that are eligible. Roland.
A lot of people think that there's a lot of
conversation about individuals that shouldn't be on Medicaid, are the
ones that are being taken off Medicaid. When you have

(55:54):
a six month eligibility, individuals that can't keep up with
their eligibility requirement are going to be purged from Medicaid,
therefore creating an environment where those individuals that are eligible
don't have access to their insurance. All of this is
going to lead to overcrowding in safety net hospitals, whether

(56:16):
it's a safety net hospital in rural communities or safety
net hospitals in urban communities. What we can do is
we have to, like you're doing, educating people. A lot
of Americans don't even know about the rollback of this
of this tax credit, So now we're educating people that

(56:36):
they're the tax credit that they're enjoying when they're getting
their insurance through the Affordable Care Act is at risk
of their premiums go up. They can start asking more questions,
calling their senators and letting their senators know that they
want their tax credit preserved and that's going to lead
to better health outcomes in our communities.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Questions from the panel Randy, you first.

Speaker 13 (57:02):
How will this affect medication?

Speaker 16 (57:04):
I mean, will people be able to get their medication
if they don't have insurance.

Speaker 22 (57:10):
Well, that's that's the thing, particularly in dual eligible people.
When we talk about dual eligible, these are these are
both that are on Medicare and Medicaid. Those individuals that
are on Medicaid and Medicare at the same time, most
of the time they're using the Medicaid benefit for their
prescription drugs. So when we're rolling back access to affordable

(57:35):
insurance and people have to make a choice between that insurance,
then then they're going to make choices that decrease their
access to prescription drugs. And these are choices that we
don't want our American people to have to have to make.
We want to make sure that that healthcare is quite frankly,
a human right and people have access to the to

(57:56):
that health insurance.

Speaker 13 (58:00):
Joy Well, first of all, my mother is a fifty
year plus graduate of Howard Medical School, and we're so
proud of you. I want to know what the National
Medical Association is doing to prepare their doctors to prepare
their patients for what is likely a long haul where

(58:21):
we're going to have work requirements. Even many Democrats are
supportive of work requirements, and it might because there's a
misunderstanding about them, but it is what it is, where
we are going to have some tightening on who has eligibility,
how do we make sure our communities and how do
we have doctors who are the first line of defense.

(58:41):
How is the NIME preparing them to meet this moment
and or working with civil rights organizations to help their
communities meet this moment.

Speaker 22 (58:50):
So that's really good. I mean we first of all,
we're educating our members making sure that they understand the
impacts of the car climate in the shutdown as well
as the future climate with HR one. That's the first thing,
making sure that they're clear on what the impact is.
The other piece is that we're asking all of our
members to understand who in their patient population in their

(59:13):
patient pool is going to be affected by this, that
this shouldn't be something that is a surprise to them.
Most of our physicians know who is in their patient
population and who is on Medicaid and who would be affected.
That's the first thing. Who are they so that you
can communicate with them those patients as to how they

(59:37):
can get access to what most states are offering those
that are being removed from Medicaid, they're offering the basic
Plan within ACA. Now, the Basic Plan within ACA is
not as comprehensive as Medicaid. It's still at no cost,
but it doesn't cover vision, it doesn't cover dental. There

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is modified behavioral behavioral medicine coverage.

Speaker 29 (01:00:03):
And it.

Speaker 22 (01:00:05):
Limits what you can use and actually you can not
use the benefit for transportation that is non emergent. That's huge.
Medicaid individuals that can't get to their appointments are getting
uber vouchers. They're getting bus vouchers so that they can
get to their appointments because we know that transportation is
extremely important to get to to get your appointments and

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make sure that you have proper health care. We want
our members to be able to educate them how to
get on that basic plan and then work with community
to make sure that we fill the gaps. One of
the other innovative things that we're doing at the NIMA
is we're working within our AI Innovation Task Force to
work through how we can develop an application that allows

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individuals to track their work requirement and track their eligibility
in a predictive, in an agentic way using AI. So
they are those things. And then we're also working with
civil rights organizations like the NAACP, like the National Council
of Negro Women to talk about how create how can

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we create volunteer efforts. One of the things that we
a lot of people don't know is that eighty hour
work requirement a month can be filled with bona fide
volunteer hours. So we have the ability to teach and
have individuals volunteer roll out a lot of this information

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as a healthcare educator that we might not be able
to pay them, but we can mark those volunteer hours
so that those volunteer hours keep them eligible for their
Medicaid requirement if indeed they don't have the W two
or the nine to ninety type of work that they
can show to the government.

Speaker 29 (01:01:58):
Rebecca my sister is a professor at Mancarry and she
spends time connecting with her students about the political determinants
of health and understanding that this isn't about partisanship, understanding
how policy impacts health outcomes, especially.

Speaker 14 (01:02:14):
In our communities.

Speaker 15 (01:02:15):
Can you make the connection between Medicare funding and funding
for residency slots so people understand that if there's cuts
to Medicare, that those cuts impact both upstream and downstream.

Speaker 22 (01:02:30):
Well, thank you for that question, CMS or the Centers
for Medicaid, they fund residence slots. Our residence slots, say
for Howard University Hospital is funded through the CMS. And
so let me back up. When you go through medical school,

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I'm a physician, I'm a forensic pathologist. I went to
medical school, and then after medical school, I have to
do a residency that's training in a specialty. Some individuals
then do a subspecialty fellowship. All of that is paid
for through through the government and then subsidized through that
local hospital. Well, when you have decrease available dollars in CMS,

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in Medicare and particularly Medicare, then you have the potential
to have decreased dollars within the residency slots. That's a
big deal because our residents don't get paid a lot
of dollars. They work very long hours and get paid
low wages, and this is important as we try to

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create an environment of equity within our pay scale among
our residents. One of the other things within HR one
that this kind of points to as well is the
impact on healthcare workforce that in HR one, graduate borrowers
of graduate programs are limited to the amount of federal
loans that they can add actually borrow one hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars for professional programs, when we know most
medical schools are beyond three hundred thousand. Mine was closer
to two hundred thousand in my loans. If I didn't
have the opportunity to borrow money to be able to
go to medical school, then I wouldn't have been able
to go to medical school. And so those are the
types of things that are in this bill that are

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in the work of some of these politicians when you
talk about political determinants of health that lead to poor outcomes,
because we know that there are better outcomes for individuals
who their physicians look like them, particularly black and brown individuals.
Our patients do better culturally with culturally competent care that's

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provided by individuals that look like them. And when you
don't have access to proper dollars through Medicare for residency programs,
and when medical students can't borrow dollars, aren't coming from
money that somebody can put up one hundred thousand dollars
for you to go to medical school, then this limits
the outcomes of our patients. Our patients will die. I

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often say that I see failed policy on my autopsy table,
and individuals will die if we're not extremely directed and
intentional about our advocacy for these cuts to not take place,
as well as for Medicaid to stay in place.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
All right, well, doc, we certainly appreciate you joining us
breaking all of this down, doctor Mitchell, and hopefully people
are more educated about the reality of health care and
the country.

Speaker 22 (01:05:41):
No, I appreciate it, Thank you, Roland.

Speaker 7 (01:05:42):
Thanks a much. Folks, we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
A white pastor in New Mexico speaks about Charlie kirk
Man Man these white folks go crazy him.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
Calling out white Christian nationalism. We had that four year
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Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
This is your Boy herb Quay and you're tuned into
Roland Martin unfilmed. So, folks, we've been featuring a lot
of these preachers who've been making comments with the pulpit.
After the shooting death of Charlie kirk Well. I was
on Instagram and I came across Brian Swab. He's a

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senior pastor refuge church in Ogden, Utah, and the founder
of Saint Brendan's Classical Christian Academy, the president of the
New Christian Dome Press on his podcast. So first of all,
he was, I'm gonna go to that one first. I'm
gonna say that, i'ma say that one for tomorrow because
that's just a straight up raceis I'm gonna deal with
him tomorrow. Okay, So let me deal with this one here,
all right. So the Reverend Mike Angle, the rector of

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Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
Okay was condemning the racist.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Rhetoric of Charlie Kirk and turning point USA, and so
he was speaking for the pulpit, and he called him
exactly what he said.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
People got really upset. Checked this out.

Speaker 33 (01:08:45):
Political violence reared its ugly head yet again. I did
not agree with Charlie Kirk on almost anything.

Speaker 21 (01:08:54):
I found many of the things.

Speaker 33 (01:08:55):
That Charlie Kirk had to say deeply troubling. But Charlie
Kirk did not deserve to become a victim of our
gun violence epidemic. And neither did the Democratic lawmakers who
were assassinated earlier this summer in Minnesota. Lawmakers in New
Mexico didn't deserve to have their houses shot at. We

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are living in a moment when political violence is becoming
too common. Violence motivated by politics is dangerous. It is
a tough cycle to escape. And there's a theological dimension
to the state of our politics. Friends, we live in
a world with a strong background theology, and it's a

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theology of division, a theology content to sacrifice outsiders for
the sake of insider groups. This background theology says that
God blesses certain categories of people at the expense of
other This background theology tells us that God blesses America

(01:10:05):
at the expense of other nations. God blesses Israel at
the expense of Palestine.

Speaker 21 (01:10:10):
God blesses men at the expense of women.

Speaker 33 (01:10:12):
God blesses heterosexual marriage at the expense of LGBTQ plus rights.
God blesses Christians at the expense of Muslims. God blesses
progressives at the expense of conservatives. Ooh see, I switched
it on, you didn't I. And that's because this background theology,

(01:10:35):
it doesn't neatly align with one side or another in
our divided country. Background theology is like background radiation. It
infects everything. The logic of our time is not that
different from the logic of Jesus's time. One of my

(01:10:57):
favorite responses to the logic of our days, one of
the best words of wisdom I know about defying the
logic of your age comes from the poet Wendell Berry.
It's from a poem called Manifesto the Mad Farmer Liberation Front.

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If you don't know it, I commend the whole poem
to you. But I want to read just a few lines,
Barry tells us when the world's logic is strong and violent.
Every day, do something that won't compute. Love someone who
does not deserve it. Denounce the government and embrace the flag.

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Hope to live in that free republic for which it stands.
Invest in the millennium. Plant sequoias. Put your faith in
the two inches of humus that will build under the
trees every thousand years.

Speaker 21 (01:12:01):
Expect the end of the world.

Speaker 28 (01:12:04):
Laugh.

Speaker 33 (01:12:05):
Laughter is immeasurable. Be joyful, though you have considered all
the facts, as soon as the generals and politicos can
predict the motions of your mind, Lose it, Leave it
as a sign to mark the false trail the way

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you didn't go. Be like the fox who makes more
tracks than necessary, some in the wrong direction. Practice resurrection.
There's more to the poem, but you get the gist.
Lose your mind. Make no sense when the logic of

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the world is pain, when the logic of the world
is violence, be illogical, Traffic in the nonsense of the gospel.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
In love, in mercy, in searching out the lost.

Speaker 33 (01:13:05):
Jesus came to interrupt our whole system of sacrifice, our
willingness to lose a few for the benefit of the many.
Jesus's life, death, and resurrection is a judgment that says
that to Jesus, no sheep, no citizen, no party, no country,
no class of people is above any other. We don't

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sacrifice some to make life easier for others. To Jesus,
everyone matters, every single one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Well, the right wing was not happy with what he
had to say, and so he went back to the
pulpit to tell his parishioners about the hate he received.

Speaker 33 (01:13:52):
A couple weeks ago, in my sermon, I poked a bear,
and the sermon two weeks ago, I mentioned that I
did not agree with Charlie Kirk. I found much of
Kirk's rhetoric deeply troubling, and I said Charlie Kirk did
not deserve to become a victim of America's gun violence epidemic. Now,

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in the congregation, I saw mostly nodding heads, a lot
of agreement. It wasn't in the congregation that.

Speaker 21 (01:14:22):
I poked the bear. The bear appeared.

Speaker 33 (01:14:25):
When we posted a clip of that sermon online, thousands of.

Speaker 21 (01:14:30):
Comments flooded in.

Speaker 33 (01:14:33):
For disagreeing with Charlie Kirk, I was accused of not
knowing Christianity, of being a false prophet, and worse. And
I didn't respond to those comments with one exception because
you see, someone online claimed that we were using fake
candles AI generated.

Speaker 21 (01:14:55):
I could not let that stand.

Speaker 33 (01:15:00):
I wrote, simply not fake period, bees wax period. Call
me a false prophet all you want, but don't insult
our esthetics. I raised the question of the comments online,

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not to ask you to engage there, not for your sympathy,
and definitely not for you to go into TikTok and
try to defend your preacher.

Speaker 21 (01:15:30):
Stay out of those comments. Trust me.

Speaker 33 (01:15:33):
I share what happened online because I think it's a
microcosm of our whole society right now. As much as
I tried to disengage, the toxicity in our current discourse,
especially in our online discourse, has been very present for
me in recent days. I've done my best to laugh

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it off, to ignore it. But truthfully, our society's brokeness
is on full display every time we open our phones,
isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:16:05):
We all see it, we all feel it.

Speaker 33 (01:16:09):
So the question we need to ask today, on our
feast day is how does a person of faith respond?

Speaker 21 (01:16:19):
How does a person of faith. How does a Christian.

Speaker 33 (01:16:22):
Respond when the news is so bad, when it seems
like the old dragon himself lives in the comment section,
when simple disagreement is met with utter anger and violence.

Speaker 21 (01:16:36):
How do we sustain our faith our hope?

Speaker 33 (01:16:41):
I think it helps to take a lesson from the angels.
If Christianity is worth anything, if the stories we gather
to tell are worth anything, it is because our faith
comes as an interruption.

Speaker 21 (01:16:58):
If our faith, if.

Speaker 33 (01:16:59):
Our spiritual is good for anything, it is for interrupting
the voices that are out there sowing anger, division, and worse.
Our faith is meant to be a beautiful interruption to
all the ugliness, all the forces of darkness and pain.
When the chorus of negativity is rising in our own

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minds in the world around us, that is the moment
to return to our stories, to return to our faith.
That is the time to trust in divine interruption.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
See it's very interesting, Rebecca, how these right wingers just
can't handle preachers who have not fallen for their white
Christian nationalism. They hate the fact that these people are
literally using scripture. The pastor pad yesterday, pastor dies, breaking
this whole thing down day before yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:17:54):
I'm sorry. Breaking this whole thing down is driving them crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
They have been so used to dominating it mainstream media
with their right wing Christianity, that they can't handle something different.

Speaker 12 (01:18:08):
You know, Rolan, I think we could pull it back
a bit.

Speaker 15 (01:18:10):
It's watching these white nationalists really trying to make other
white people told the line on white supremacy. In my opinion,
that's what happened. Even with Jimmy Kimmel, it was, hey,
white man, don't you get on this TV condemning white supremacy.

Speaker 14 (01:18:24):
You need to stay in your place.

Speaker 15 (01:18:26):
In my opinion, we saw the humiliation of him, even
though he returned back to the airwaves. And I think
as we're watching, we saw this a couple of weeks ago,
specifically with black pastors. But it's interesting watching these white
nationalists go after other white people in public and try
to shame them and remind them, Hey, this whole white thing,

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you're a part of it too, You benefit from it too.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
You don't get a call this out.

Speaker 15 (01:18:51):
But ultimately it's going to take white people like this
minister to help destroy white supremacy because black folks, we
can't destroy it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
We did invent it.

Speaker 15 (01:19:00):
It doesn't benefit us, but for those who it benefits.
Those people, those white people in your stand up, and
they need to destroy white supremacy.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
You know, Randy, when I was on CNN.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
First of all, it's been twelve years since I left
Seeing Inn.

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
And let me tell you what always used to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
I used to always debate Tony Perkins. And what was
a trip to me is that whenever Christianity came up,
C and N would always have these white right winging
vagelicals on and I would sit here and go, they
don't own Jesus, they don't control that. And so I remember,
I remember we were going at it, and I remember

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Obama and McCain had that form at the church of
Rick Warren's church and Tony Perkins brought up river Jeer
my right, and I said, oh, Tony, if you want
to talk about the Sermon on the Mount, if you
want to talk about what would Jesus preach? I said,
we can go at it right now. I said, see,

(01:20:04):
you can get somebody who actually knows the Bible better
than you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
And see that's the problem. What mainstream media does.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Mainstream media when we talk about Christianity and on the
air they will flood the zone with these right wingers,
but they won't have other a preachers of the Gospel,
people who know the word on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:20:26):
Right because they don't want it to be where they're
in any way challenged whatsoever.

Speaker 13 (01:20:31):
What has been.

Speaker 16 (01:20:32):
Interesting to me is to see how Christianity now equals
white and how much is connected to whiteness.

Speaker 14 (01:20:38):
And it's nothing new.

Speaker 16 (01:20:39):
Of course, even the KKK use the Bible to support
their violence and cruel behavior, so it's nothing new, but
they know that is the way to make people feel
justified in the terrible behavior that we're seeing right now.
And what has shocked me is that you've always with

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always thought at the church to be a place that
you find good, that you go for the word, and
how many people have been.

Speaker 13 (01:21:09):
Scared to speak up.

Speaker 16 (01:21:10):
So I felt so I wanted to just clap, get
a little happy, you know, do a little dance, put
something in the collection plate.

Speaker 34 (01:21:18):
To see this minister actually speak out against and tell
the truth and speak about good and actually use scripture,
because that's rare because religion is very much being used
and wielded.

Speaker 16 (01:21:32):
As a wealth weapon, as a political weapon right now,
and it's quite disgusting.

Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
Joey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I just again, when you watch these folks and they
go on and on and on, and you need to
hear the counter And what we're doing is what no
mainstream network is doing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
They are not showing any of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
These preachers who are speaking against the craziness that we
heard from Charlie cur or from turning point.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
They are pushing out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I mean seeing in interviewed one of these crazy conspiracy
theorists and oh, a friend of Charlie Kirk that presented
him in this amazing manner.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
What was posobiac Jake? Whatever is that's Jack? Something like that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I mean, who was? I mean, he is a nutcase,
but they presented him in this like he was just
this nice, wonderful guy.

Speaker 17 (01:22:25):
I think that's right.

Speaker 13 (01:22:26):
And look, I mean I have all kinds of things
that we can say about our Caucasian friends on the
right and the left, but the folks who are supporting
Charlie Kirk are actually not the majority. And I think
that we have continued to allow a minority voice, a
group of people who are amplified and seem bigger than
they are, to take up our airwaves. And it's because

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mainstream media continues to feature those people under some false
notion that you got to have you know, both sides. Yeah,
but you got to also acknowledge when both sides or
fewer a group of people. Most people, when they hear
what Charlie Kirk said, when they really understand it, most
people don't know who the help Charlie Kirk was. But
once you discover what he said, they don't agree with that.

(01:23:12):
They find it abhorrent, just as they find abhorrent what
happened to him. They find his words abhorrent. So we
have to, like, I'm so proud because I've been thinking
some of these white Christians, I'm like, what Bible, what
vergion are y'all reading? But we have to not allow
them to own Christianity and religion. We have to fight

(01:23:34):
back on that. They don't have the corner on that.
The reason we believe what we believe is also because
of our faith. And we also need ministers to talk
to each other. I'm glad they're talking to their parishioners,
but oftentimes we see them reflecting the views of what's
in their their community, already, their congregation already. We're gonna

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need more ministers challenging their congregation, knowing that they might
get in some trouble, but using their relationship. And we
know when that happened the last time, some of those
folks lost their position. But it would be better to
lose position than to be up there supporting false idols
and leading your parishioners astray. We're going to need more

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conservative bases of ministers who are coming out and saying
that's not what the Bible says. Let's talk about what
it says. That's their calling now, and we might need
other ministers to do it, So that's the next stage.
I'm glad they're talking to their congregation, but we also
need them to talk to other ministers and say what

(01:24:38):
are you saying?

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Well, this moment, it was, for example, Boy Maga in
these right wing evangelic cohost Boy, They'm mad as hell
at the pope Leo. He was asked this question about
abortion and death penalty and listen to what he says,
and they are living.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
It's wanted to ask one thing that has become a
bit of a divisive subject in the US right now.

Speaker 17 (01:25:05):
With the Cardinal Soupitch giving an award to Senator.

Speaker 35 (01:25:10):
Durbin, some people of faith are having a hard time
with understanding this because he is pro or rather his
for legalized abortion.

Speaker 16 (01:25:20):
How would you help people have faith right now decipher
that feel about that, and how do you feel about that.

Speaker 36 (01:25:27):
I'm not terribly familiar with the particular case. I think
that it's very important to look at the overall work
that a senator has done during if I'm not mistaken,
forty years of service in the United States Senate. I
understand the difficulty and the tensions, But I think, as

(01:25:48):
I myself have spoken in the past, it's important to
look at many issues that are related to what is
the teaching of the church. Someone who says I'm against
abortion but says I'm in favor of the death penalty
is not really pro life. So someone who says that
I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the inhuman

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treatment of immigrants or in the United States, I don't
know if that's pro life. So they're very complex issues.
I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them.
But I would ask first and foremost that there'd be
greater respect for one another and that we search together
both as human beings in that case, as American citizens,

(01:26:29):
or citizens of the state of Illinois as well as
Catholics to say, we need to really look closer at
all of these ethical issues and to find the way forward.
This church church teaching on each one of those issues
is very clear.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Thank you very much, he said, the church is teaching
on this is very clear. See right wing girls love
the Catholic church position on abortion. They don't like the
Catholic ture position on the death penalty. Here, my Robbie Starbuck,
right wing white Latino pope after pope has been a

(01:27:05):
disappointing profile in Cowardice, who I just can't look to
as a leader. If Robert Sarah was Pope, this would
not happen. Many would come back to the church. Then,
Leo sounds like another Francis All. Robbie, Robbie, are you
upset that the pope is speaking truth?

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
Is not kissing y'all? Right wing?

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
But oh, here's the racist Matt Walsh, absolute racist, really
terrible answer from Pope Leo. God himself prescribes the death
penalty in the Bible. Is the pope saying that God
is not pro life? And who exactly is advocating for
inhumane treatment of immigrants? What sort of inhumane treatment is
referring to deportations. Really, Matt, are you really that stupid? Like,

(01:27:51):
are you really that stupid? We know exactly the inhumane treatment,
but they're just they just upset, y'all because they just
can't have it. They are commenting left and right, and boy,
look at this. I disagree with this wholeness about the

(01:28:12):
death ponty, but it's overall point. But in the sense
of the human main treatment of people that care for
the temporal as well as the spiritual needs are also
necessary for a truly profile. Look, okay, got it looking
at you. It's only since twenty eighteen and the Church
took an official stand against death pony. Many Catholics just
won't agree. It isn't what they were taught as young
Catholics since it before in nineteen seventy three, pro.

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Life was understood.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
It's about treaty life with dignity from conception to death.
First of all, Terryann is a stupid idiot, no Tarrian stupid.
Because what Terry Ann doesn't even understand is that the SBC,
the Southern Baptist Convention.

Speaker 7 (01:28:45):
You know what, let me just go ahead and pull
this up. You know they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Because they just dumb list. See Southern Baptist Convention and
pro choice. Let's see here, hm hm, look at this

(01:29:12):
piece right here. Well, the Southern Baptist Convention ever pro choice. Oh,
let's see right here if you look at their history.
In nineteen seventy one, the Southern Baptist Convention passed the
first of four resolutions that most would consider pro choice today. Oh,

(01:29:33):
the same people who they say were always that way.
This was nineteen seventy one. We see what y'all gotta
understand is this here, And I'm gonna put that's a
priest who was actually was on Instagram. I'm gonna play
that too, where he broke down the history, because see
the history is.

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
The Southern Baptist Convention.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
They used racism and these segregation academies to get white
people to support their plans. Well, then when the Nixon
folks outlaw sirogation academies, and then the races in this
SBC could not figure out how to get white people
to vote their way. So Paul White Rick, what happened
was they saw this one election where the issue of
abortion was on the ballot, and all of a sudden,

(01:30:13):
they then begin to adopt that language, and even Jerry
fall Will later said they never really focused on the
issue of abortion, and all of a sudden that became
the main thing the moral majority. So it was actually racism.
They could not use rich, straight out bigotry to get
the white folks to vote, so they flipped to the
issue of abortion.

Speaker 7 (01:30:30):
So these people who are.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Commenting on Pope Leo, they're liars because they didn't understand
their actual history. Okay, so all the MAGA people are upset,
All the MAGA people are freaking out. All the MAGA
people just cannot help themselves. They're just just like, like,
what's going on? What is Pope Leo doing? It's because
he's right. They're not pro life. See, you can't be

(01:30:56):
pro life and you want to cut food. You can't
be pro life when you want to see that that's
money for homeless.

Speaker 7 (01:31:03):
You can't be.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
So we start talking about what Jesus actually preached. That's
literally against the mag of Jena. See, y'all might remember
a couple of years ago when I had a pro
life or really an anti abortion black Republican in my
studio and this happened. Reason is not doing in Mississippi,
And so what I'm saying is this here. No, no, no, no.

(01:31:26):
What I'm saying is this here. When I listen to
Republicans talk about being pro life, what I want to
know is, where are their pro life stances when they
come to headstarting Where are there pro life stances? No, no, no,
when it comes to prenatal care, where are their pro
life stances where you have black women who have a
high rate of dying in childbirth, where are your pro
life policies when it comes to black comes with infermortality.

(01:31:48):
What I'm saying is when you are a Republican in
the state of Mississippi and you push a law if
the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, and you are
ill prepared to handle the five and new babies, maybe
because the money that you could care.

Speaker 7 (01:32:03):
For the poor went to Brett Fall.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
But all I want to say is the governor of
Mississippi whose opposing Medicaid expansion, seeing rural hospitals shut down
in his state, and you got white women and black
women who are dying, and Republicans control the legislature, they
control the governor's mansion, So don't.

Speaker 7 (01:32:22):
Tell me they are pro life.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
When they're unwilling to accept Medicaid expansion, but then they
say we don't want to accept federal money from the
federal government when they seend one dollar to the federal
government and they get four dollars back.

Speaker 37 (01:32:34):
When you look at this concept where you're saying to
me right now, is that because you believe that Republicans
are not supporting pro living.

Speaker 17 (01:32:45):
I disagree.

Speaker 13 (01:32:46):
I look at the Republican support for.

Speaker 17 (01:32:49):
Community health centers.

Speaker 37 (01:32:50):
I look at the Republicans truewhere everywhere rolls.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
In South Carolina, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama,
they all are a kids Medican expansion. And are you
telling me, are you literally telling me that rural hospitals

(01:33:18):
in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, South
Carolina are not shutting down?

Speaker 22 (01:33:27):
Are you telling me that?

Speaker 13 (01:33:28):
I am not telling you that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
If they're shutting down, how these are the people able
to get killed?

Speaker 17 (01:33:35):
How Roland?

Speaker 37 (01:33:37):
I'm what I am saying is that there are when
we talk about.

Speaker 13 (01:33:44):
Boarding babies like so you're saying to.

Speaker 37 (01:33:45):
Me that because we we support life, actually giving babies
the opportunity to live.

Speaker 17 (01:33:53):
I'm giving.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
First of all, you know you're confused because you think
I'm saying something that I'm not when I'm telling you,
I'm being very clear. You cannot say you are pro
life when you vote against prenatal care for the mother.
You cannot say you a pro life when you vote
against headstart. You cannot say you are pro life when

(01:34:18):
you do not want to expand Medicaid to keep hospitals open.
You cannot say you a pro life when you have
obgyns who are not available in your state. You cannot
say you are pro life when you have black women
who are dying at a higher rate during childbirth and
you do nothing public policy wise to fix it. You
cannot say you a pro life if you allow, if

(01:34:40):
it mortality rates to be sky high in areas with
a black and brown people. What that tells me is
you an anti abortion. You are not pro life because
if you are pro life, you care with the child
in the womb angle the child is house. And if
you have pro life you are standing bed with black
folks when their kids are killed by cops.

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
You are not sit your pro life be.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Pro life from the bull to the tomb, and that's
how we got this meme. Erica Savage had that look
on her face. That's how we got this meme. So, Rebecca,
they're so mad that they mad. But Pope Leo is correct.

(01:35:24):
You cannot continue to yell and screen that you are
pro life when the policies that you support are not
advancing life. People die in this country because of food insecurity,
people die in this country because of because they are homeless.
People die in this country because of lack of access

(01:35:46):
to healthcare. And these same right wingers just love themselves
some death penalty, but they real quiet when black folks
have been on Black people been shot and killed. No,
they are anti abortion, they are not pro life. Pope
Leo is one one hundred percent correct.

Speaker 22 (01:36:05):
Roland.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
I love facts.

Speaker 15 (01:36:06):
And the reason why I love facts is women have
been having abortion since the beginning of time. Catholicism has
only been around for roughly two thousand ish years, and
of that nearly two thousand this years. It wasn't until
nineteen eighty three where the Catholic Church actually put into canon,
put into Catholic law that you could be excommunicated for
procuring or having an abortion. So you mean to tell me.

(01:36:27):
For nearly two thousand years in the Catholic Church, you couldn't.
You weren't excommunicated because you got an abortion. But now
in nineteen eighty three, all of a sudden, oops, we
forgot about that the last two thousand years.

Speaker 13 (01:36:38):
So all these people who are talking.

Speaker 15 (01:36:40):
Online, they clearly don't know what they're talking about, but
also quite frankly, accordant to their own Bible, they're going
to hell anyway, because first John says, you can't have
hate in your heart.

Speaker 13 (01:36:48):
So for all these people expousing.

Speaker 15 (01:36:50):
Hete that means you can't love God, you can't love God,
ye ain't going to heaven.

Speaker 13 (01:36:53):
So I guess enjoy hell.

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
Joy.

Speaker 13 (01:36:59):
I mean, And I couldn't say it better. I mean,
the fact of the matter is that says said earlier.
I don't know what version. I mean, the rest of
us are reading a different Bible, right, I don't know
they had the Charlie kank Kirk version. I really don't
know these things. The things that they're advocating are against God.
Is it has presented to us in the Christian Bible

(01:37:20):
that they say that they believe in pop Lio is
the head of the Catholic church. He has spoken, We
hear him. Frankly, is the thing that the last pope
said about how you treat immigrants. It's the thing that
Pope said before then, how you treat the stranger, how

(01:37:43):
you treat the least of these. Pop Leio is bringing a.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
New voice.

Speaker 13 (01:37:51):
But frankly, you know, we've been saying for a long
time that when you are pro life, you gotta be
pro the entire life. It's not just how you treat
women and children, it's how you treat the elderly. The
cuts of the Republicans are making are also going to
hurt Medicare. The government shut down might interrupt, delay, and

(01:38:16):
certainly confuse and scare a lot of people who are
on Social Security. When you care about life, you care
about the entire life of the person. Otherwise we have
to call you out on your bullshit. It is not
only our right to do so, it is our duty
to do so, and anyone who's you know, that's why
people sometimes walk away from the church because they see

(01:38:38):
so much hypocrisy. That is what we're seeing now. And frankly,
one good thing about Donald Trump is I think he's
going to bring a lot of people back in alignment
with their faith and their values, whether it's Christianity or
whatever religion, or even even just as humanist. You don't
believe in God, but you believe in the importance of

(01:38:58):
the human race. I'm going to bring people back into their.

Speaker 7 (01:39:01):
Bi I'm not buying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I'm not buying he's going to do that because I
think these right wingers, they are celebrating of Jesus that
really don't exist, Randy.

Speaker 13 (01:39:13):
But I think it's important we use that language.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Well, no, no, no, But my point is these right wingers,
they again, they are celebrating white Christian nationalism, Randy. They
ain't celebrating the Jesus that we know to be true.

Speaker 16 (01:39:29):
They absolutely are not celebrating Jesus. I don't believe it's
possible to be a white supremacist and celebrate Jesus at
the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
They conflict.

Speaker 16 (01:39:37):
They completely conflict because Jesus was about accepting and loving
all people. And as we have all sat on the panel,
these people are filled with hate and everything that they
do seems to be oppressing others, not loving others, casting
out everyone that is different from them. So you cannot
only celebrate one type of person, namely white people and

(01:39:59):
then call yourself a kin Are loving?

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Are respectful of Jesus? The two cannot coexist.

Speaker 16 (01:40:04):
White supremacy and a love of Jesus and his principles
are completely opposite from each other and cannot co exist.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
And they're not using they.

Speaker 16 (01:40:13):
Don't even I don't even believe that they believe what
they're saying. I believe again that they're using it as
a tool to manipulate people. They know when they mentioned
the Bible or Jesus our Love that people will listen
and and that's all they want people to do is
listen and follow their dogma and agenda. And they're actually
shocked and appalled when someone like the pope, like Pope Leo,

(01:40:36):
actually is seriously serious about Christianity and is speaking.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
The word of the Bible. They don't want that from him.

Speaker 22 (01:40:44):
They just want him to.

Speaker 16 (01:40:45):
Speak, like you said, Christian nationalism that they want.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Well, I love how Matt washed his hand goes well,
God favorite the death penalty.

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
It's in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
It's when I saw that I immediately thought about this
from the West wing. When President Jed Bartlett actually raise
those questions, watch, I call myself Gary with a g
house would you spoke Gary, no other way.

Speaker 21 (01:41:15):
I'm saying, that's what I call myself, Gary with the
G talking to you on K A, D R, A M.

Speaker 17 (01:41:19):
Black Eliza with a Z exactly.

Speaker 30 (01:41:21):
Hoki, maybe so, But I have nine hundred thousand listeners
in the Rocky Mountain region.

Speaker 17 (01:41:25):
Would you excuse me?

Speaker 38 (01:41:29):
Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, Ladies and gentlemen, the President
of the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 22 (01:41:42):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 39 (01:41:43):
I wish I could spend more than a few minutes
with you, but the polls don't close in the East
for another hour. There are plenty of election results still
left to falsify. You know what, so many people participating
in the political and social debate through call in shows.
It's a good idea to be reminded every once in
a while, it's a good idea to be reminded of

(01:42:06):
the awesome impact, the awesome impact. I'm sorry, your doctor
Jenna Jacobs, right, yes, sir, it's good to have you here.
Thank you, the awesome impact of the airwaves and how
that translates into the furthering of our national discussions, but

(01:42:28):
obviously also how it can how it can forgive me,
Doctor Jacobs, are you an MD.

Speaker 35 (01:42:40):
A PhD, A PhD, yes, sir, in psychology, no, sir, theology,
no social work. I have a PhD in English literature.

Speaker 39 (01:42:50):
I'm asking because on your show, people call in for
advice and you go by the name doctor Jacobs on
your show, and I didn't know if maybe your listeners
were confused by that whom you had advanced training in psychology, theology,
or healthcare.

Speaker 35 (01:43:04):
I don't believe they are confused, No, sir, good.

Speaker 39 (01:43:07):
I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality
an abomination.

Speaker 35 (01:43:15):
I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, mister President. The
Bible does, yes, it does, Leviticus eighteen twenty two, chapter
and verse.

Speaker 39 (01:43:23):
I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while
I hand you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest
daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus twenty one seven.
She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the
table when it was her turn. What would a good
price for her be? While thinking about that, can I
ask another? My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insist on

(01:43:45):
working on the sabbath Exodus thirty five to two clearly
says he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself? Or is it okay to
call the police. Here's one that's really important, because we've
got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching
the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean Leviticus
eleven to seven. If they promise to wear gloves? Can

(01:44:06):
the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can
West Point? Does the whole town really have to be
together to stone my brother John for planting different crops
side by side? Can I burn my mother in a
small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
Think about those questions. Would you one last thing? While

(01:44:30):
you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of
the ignorant tight ass club in this building? When the
president stands, nobody sits.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
Wait ooh I love that scene. Why is that important?
Because see when these right we evangelicals say, well God
said this in the Bible. Yes, but the Bible also

(01:45:03):
said all the things that he just said there as well.
So how do they respond to that? Do they say, oh,
that's the Old Testament. Jesus came in the New Testament.
Well then what the Bible also says that Jesus came
to affirm the Old Testament. See this is where they

(01:45:24):
get so confused. This is what they cannot stand.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
You See.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
They love to bring these things up, but they can't
stand being challenged on these very things.

Speaker 7 (01:45:37):
That's why I'm always going to call them out.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
You cannot say that all I believe that everybody should
accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior. Okay, so
if you put someone to death, then they never have
an opportunity to actually accept Jesus Christ as the Lord
and savior. So don't you think if they continue to live,
even if they are locked up in prison for the

(01:46:01):
rest of their lives, that they have an opportunity to
actually do that, So they will never have to in
the afterlife be damned because they can't accept.

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
It into heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
It's am I correct on the scripture there, folks. See
this is the problem with these right wingers that they
don't want to deal with it. See what they want
to be is they want to be vengeful, but all
so hateful.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
See again, they.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Want to be anti abortion because they just absolutely believe
in the fetus in the womb. But when that baby
is born, then what what about a head start? What
about prenatal care while that mother is actually carrying that

(01:46:47):
child to turn? What about proper health care? What about
proper environmental laws? See, it's amazing how they are against
the very things that actually am packed life. Do they
care about those with asthma? Do they care about environmental racism? Oh,
I'm sorry, they don't believe in climate change. Yesterday we

(01:47:10):
just had the most eightware Secretary of Defense still up
and say, yeah, we're not gonna have all this stuff
anymore in the Department of Defense dealing with climate change.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
Really, but you care about life?

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
So when you see more storms, more violent, more destructive,
killing more people, do those lives matter?

Speaker 7 (01:47:32):
And see then when we say black lives matter, they
go all lives matter?

Speaker 40 (01:47:35):
One of all lives matter?

Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
How then can you say you support the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
What they can't stand is the consistency of Pope Leo
See Maga loved that New York Cardinal Dolan praised Charlie
Kirk and said he was a saint with the rhetoric
that he uttered. Really, Dolan, or you simply a maggot?

(01:48:05):
A right wing American cardinal See, that's why.

Speaker 7 (01:48:09):
They hate pop Leo. That's why they hate it Pope Francis.
But they can't stand a.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Spiritual leader who challenges them on their faulty spirituality. Gonna
go to break, we come back. Maga is really mad
because bad money. It's gonna be performing the Super Bowl.
Oh my god, it's gonna drive them crazy back in

(01:48:37):
a moment.

Speaker 31 (01:48:41):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Carr an
hour of Living History was doctor Richard Maria Kelsey, thinker, builder, author,
and one of the most important and impactful elders in
the African American community. He reflects on his full and
rich life and shares his incomparable wisdom about our past, present,
and future.

Speaker 32 (01:49:00):
I'm a genius, saying that my uncle was Virginia's, my
brother was a genius, my neighbor was a genius. I
think we ought to drill that in ourselves and move
ahead rather than believing.

Speaker 7 (01:49:13):
That I got it.

Speaker 31 (01:49:14):
That's next on the Black Table here on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 24 (01:49:23):
This week, on the other side of change, Early Kirk
gun violence in America and how the nation has responded
in the week since.

Speaker 25 (01:49:29):
In many ways, it's become very very toxic, of which
hunt really attacking anyone who's not mourning this man.

Speaker 26 (01:49:35):
We're seeing right now is the weaponization of selective compassion
and people so often don't say anything about the crisis
of gun violence.

Speaker 27 (01:49:43):
We're going to dig into all of it, what this
means for the state of gun violence and the state
of free speech. You're watching the Other side of Change
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Speaker 17 (01:49:53):
Hello, I'm Paula J.

Speaker 41 (01:49:55):
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on Disneyland, and you're watching Row and Mark.

Speaker 40 (01:50:52):
Jacot Nacato. Your is in the bron Go, Well, there
it is. It's official Puerto Rico's finest.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Bad I got to lose they mind, y'all. The NFL
announces that Bad Bunny is gonna perform at halftime of
the Super Bowl, and these white people are losing it.
They have been yelling, cussing, screaming, Oh my god, I'm
not gonna watch the halftime. This is shameful. Turning point

(01:51:29):
us say needs to have a counter. What if we
had a group of Christian artists who saying it halftime
this man is the devil. This man doesn't like ice,
but you had this white one white woman. She's like,
I've never heard of him, Like half we never heard
of you. The man got five million Twitter followers, hunt

(01:51:52):
trifling ass, don't even have one hundred thousand, y'all. Bad
Bunny has won three Grammys, has more than one hundred
billion streams, has the most played album on Spotify.

Speaker 7 (01:52:10):
He has a global reach.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
He's a reggaeton singer Kate has sold out across the world.

Speaker 7 (01:52:20):
But Lord, Maga don't know what.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
To do because a Spanish speaking artist who has openly
challenged Donald Trump's immigration's policies is going to perform at halftime,
Then they're saying, how dare he's not an American?

Speaker 7 (01:52:41):
He's Puerto Rican to US territory.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Oh, Rosa Clemente doctoral student the w B Dubois Department
back from America study?

Speaker 7 (01:52:52):
Is that U mass Amherst Jules us right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Now, Rosa, Lord have mercy. More Maga fools have found
Port we Goo on the map in the last forty
eight hours since the NFL made this announcement. These people
are losing their mind.

Speaker 38 (01:53:09):
I mean, yeah, it's crazy, to the point where I
had to cut off family members that were anti black,
even though Bad Bunny doesn't identify as anti black. You know,
I think the biggest issue is that most people don't
know why Porto Hicans are American citizens. That was forced

(01:53:31):
upon my ancestors in nineteen seventeen, where they were just like,
you know what everybody's now and but don't here go
an American citizen, And that was to recruit.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
More men to the World War One, you know.

Speaker 38 (01:53:50):
And I think magis it's interesting because there's been other
artists that have been on that stage with mixing Spanish
and English, and what Bad Bunny is doing is what
we call us in the seventies. So right now, particularly
in New York City, particularly in the Bronx, it's just like,

(01:54:10):
that's what we do already, you know, we rep our country,
and the reason we rep it the way we do
is because we are still a colony of the United
States of America. And that Bunny has awakened the consciousness
of an entire generation crazy Rosen.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
I mean, first of all, I found this video here.
I gotta admit it's highly laughable.

Speaker 42 (01:54:33):
Watch that Bad Bunny whatever his name is, Bad Bunny,
But I don't even know who the man is.

Speaker 17 (01:54:39):
I know.

Speaker 42 (01:54:40):
All I know is from political things that he supports
Democrats and that he's anti Trump, right, and that's apparently
where the where the NFL is going. So I won't
be watching the super Bowl this year, which I've been
being super football sportsly got really dull for me, Like
I'm done watching a lot of or is because it's

(01:55:01):
got too political, right, like all the great people that
could have headlined the super Bowl, it used to be
people with actual talent, and it's not not some dude
who I don't don't even don't even have a global
or national no, like nobody knows who he is, Like
I mean, people know who he is for the wrong reasons.
That he attacks Ice every chance he gets, He attack

(01:55:22):
Trumps every chance to get, He attack Trump supporters every
chance he gets, and so half the country don't like him.
Half the country don't like him, So half the country
probably won't be watching the halftime show. And so it
just they didn't fel ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They become extremely political. He's feminized. I think he's I
don't know if he gave me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
I had to sit here first of all, brother, why
don't you learn how to look at the camera when
your ass talking, How did you start right there too?
Ain't nobody ever heard of your ass? And then he said,
this guy's not global or national. Damn does Google not work?
And then I love this here so supposedly just got
into political. Oh but but y'all didn't mind those momental

(01:56:04):
silences for Charlie Kirk at the Green Bay Packers game
in Dallas Cowboys game. They don't mind the politicians showing
up in the speech of the owners. They don't mind
the owners who actually give money to MAGA.

Speaker 7 (01:56:17):
But they say, bad Bunny too political.

Speaker 38 (01:56:20):
Well, I mean, isn't it fascinating the political commentators on
the liberal white folks, because I'm like, I already know
what the right is doing. Right is not even standing
up to protect their own American citizens.

Speaker 17 (01:56:33):
In this country.

Speaker 38 (01:56:35):
Back Bunny residency was historical, but there's a lot that's
being left out.

Speaker 17 (01:56:42):
First, he chose not to come to.

Speaker 38 (01:56:44):
The United States because he was scared that all the Latinos,
unlike with Porto Hicans, which Rowland, you know, Matt, people
still don't even understand that Porttho Hicans are American citizens, right,
So for him to come out and be like you
know what I'm repping Spanish, I'm rapping hip hop. I'm

(01:57:05):
referring referencing here your thune, right, and that's what they're
scared of.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
Obviously.

Speaker 38 (01:57:13):
Also, what Bad Bunny has done is really awaken an
entire new generation of consciousness posts Hurricane Armor and Hurricane Maria.
But there's also a reason why Roland, I think you
might this might be your next question about the military occupation.

Speaker 43 (01:57:32):
Of No no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 7 (01:57:34):
I got another fool of the show. I mean, I
just I'm just having a ball, y'all. Watch this here.

Speaker 44 (01:57:40):
Do you wonder why the NFL hates it's customers. I
don't understand. I do understand. They think they're too big
to fail, so they've adopted woke and they refuse to
let it go, as evidenced by they have time show
they're putting together well jay Z.

Speaker 7 (01:58:03):
Is well, I'm like, that's jay Z.

Speaker 22 (01:58:05):
A whole another video by itself.

Speaker 44 (01:58:07):
However, the definition of stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:58:14):
If you have a business is to.

Speaker 21 (01:58:18):
Do things.

Speaker 44 (01:58:20):
To make the majority of your business hate your business.
But the NFL has done a great job over the
decades of making themselves into a brand that they feel
like it's too big and they could do whatever the
hell they want.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
To do, y'all. First of ball rolls and this is
an eight minute video. I'm not playing all of it
because he's too stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
And see these maga people, Uh, you know, they were
so pissed off last year with Kendrick Lamar performing, and
they were just just upset and they're just kind of like,
oh my god, this is just too black. What are
they doing? They're they're running off their audience. And then
they were just like, this is just this is just

(01:59:06):
too much and I don't know what we should do,
and no one's gonna watch.

Speaker 7 (01:59:10):
And I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (01:59:15):
No no to my I f had.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Kendrick Lamar's twenty twenty five super Bowl halftime show is
now the most watched of all time, one hundred and
thirty three point five million viewers, drawing a larger women,
drawing a larger audience than the super Bowl itself. See Roseen,
this is what this is what white maga and these uh,
these individuals I call them the help of these black

(01:59:39):
face maggots don't understand the super Bowl. Super Bowl hold
on the super Bowl is not solely a United States game.
The NFL is trying to be global. They played a
game in Belfast, Ireland. They're playing games in London. These

(01:59:59):
idiots don't even understand the Spanish speaking population of the world,
and so hello, they ain't just focusing on some white
hicks in the South.

Speaker 7 (02:00:13):
They're trying to be global.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
Go ahead, I mean, that's what it is. It's not
we're trying we are global.

Speaker 38 (02:00:20):
And what Banni's representing, Benito, that Bunny's representing, it's just.

Speaker 17 (02:00:26):
Not like the colony of the United States.

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
Puerto Rico.

Speaker 38 (02:00:30):
There's a reason why he's a number one global star.
There's a reason why when you see reports from the
extinction genocide of what's happening to a posing but his sisters,
they are referring to his song, and the song literally
means like, I don't want them to do to Puerto

(02:00:51):
Rico what they did to Hawaii. And I think part
of it, too, Rowland is like there's a lot of
people that just don't understand how Puerto Hican people became
you as citizens, and that happened and the United States
needed more soldiers. But the most important contemporary thing that
we can see right now is in Puerto Hico right now,

(02:01:14):
while Bad Bunny was doing his show ninety miles away.

Speaker 5 (02:01:19):
Atroo Puerto Rico, we.

Speaker 38 (02:01:21):
Have two ships, naval marine officers forty five hundred and
every day there are military exercises. Why because that's why
they made Puerto Rico colony. It gives the United States
a strategic way to get to the rest of Latin America.

(02:01:43):
And today Maduro the President of Venezuela, we all have
our understanding or angry with him, but we know when
they go to invade Venezuela and lie about the last
eight people they killed citizens, is they need put the
Hico to go do that work?

Speaker 40 (02:02:04):
The thing?

Speaker 38 (02:02:05):
Right, I'm sorry, but the same thing is we're celebrating
Bad Bunny and we're also wanted to like highlight what
a colony looks like, but also that because of Bad
Bunny and a lot of folks, what the h is
gonna be free a.

Speaker 17 (02:02:19):
Lot sooner than I ever thought it was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Free, Right, Rebecca, I saw this tweet from Eric Erickson
I thought was laughable. He said, the Super Bowl halftime
has been awful for the last several years. Rebecca, It's
only gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. So I'm like,
I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? And see, Rebecca,
what they really want, Like why can't Jason Aldean perform?

Speaker 7 (02:02:39):
Why can't we because guess what?

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Because ain't nobody trying to watch Jason Aldean perform at halftime? Sorry,
I remember, I forgot what I went to the Super
Bowl I.

Speaker 7 (02:02:50):
Went to I think it was it was in Miami.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Was when the Saints played the coach I think the
who performed.

Speaker 7 (02:02:57):
God that was boring.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
Rebecca, your thoughts.

Speaker 12 (02:03:02):
Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 15 (02:03:03):
What I'm really hoping that Bad Bunny does, like it
will be incredible of him if he does the show
live from Puerto Rico, but understanding that he'll probably do
it like, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Hell no, no, he gonna be He's gonna be in
Santa Clara.

Speaker 7 (02:03:14):
It'll be real clear.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
He gonna be in a stadium, He's gonna be in
Santa Clair, California.

Speaker 7 (02:03:19):
To go ahead.

Speaker 15 (02:03:21):
But symbolically, I hope he brings Puerto Rico to California,
And I hope he really.

Speaker 13 (02:03:27):
Digs into the indigenous.

Speaker 15 (02:03:28):
Culture of Puerto Rico because a lot of people assume, oh,
because of Spanish speakers that there is some connection to Spain,
but I really want to see the indigenous roots.

Speaker 5 (02:03:37):
I hope every I hope his entire.

Speaker 15 (02:03:39):
Performance is not in English, and I'm very excited about it.
And I appreciate people like Taylor Swift who made it. Know, Hey,
I'm not going to be performing at this next halftime show.
No offense to Taylor, but we want to see the
people like we don't need to see the who. We
don't need to see.

Speaker 22 (02:03:55):
Wonderbred artists right now.

Speaker 15 (02:03:57):
We actually need to see artists that embrace the multiculturalism
of our country.

Speaker 7 (02:04:03):
Well, first of all, here's.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
The deal, Rose, I mean, I don't care if if
Taylor Swoop performs, I'm fined.

Speaker 7 (02:04:09):
They just they're just.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Angry because you don't have right wingers Listen, Maga would
love for Lee Greenwood to bore us to death at halftime.

Speaker 38 (02:04:23):
Well, look, first, he's doing the whole show in Spanish,
but he's also doing it in what we call Spanish.
And I also think people in this country are not
aware that like seven million, seventy million Hispanics Latin know
folks are in this country, and how half of them
alone don't speak Spanish. Just around colonialism, right, So I'm

(02:04:47):
happy he's going to do that.

Speaker 17 (02:04:48):
Asone that doesn't like.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
Football or brutal sports.

Speaker 38 (02:04:51):
I understand the influence what Kendrick did last year.

Speaker 5 (02:04:55):
What buto he goes doing right now.

Speaker 38 (02:04:57):
And it goes back again to the fact that listen
in twenty nineteen where protests and demonstrations were building, started
with lot called Fieva Febani, the feminist collective to house
the governor. He got our hosted Joel in his entire
administration because there was eight hundred and eighty nine texcent

(02:05:20):
about folks that were LGBT kari and then also like
Carmen Ulin Cruizer was not the governor, I mean the
mayor at that time. So you know what Roland, you
know where we're at, right, I mean, these folks are
coming after us, where we're black and brown. It's not
going to make the difference. Is if any of us

(02:05:41):
are like, oh, I'm black, but I know and these
are good things. But if you don't have the politicis
you're not going to understand that. And I also think, look,
he's being who he is, right, I.

Speaker 7 (02:05:53):
Mean, that's that song.

Speaker 38 (02:05:54):
When you listen to it, it reminds me honestly of
when I've watched documentary of Africans in the United States
of America that were trying to flee slavery and the
songs that I meant the.

Speaker 5 (02:06:08):
Thing at the end, I'm like, nobody's done that.

Speaker 38 (02:06:10):
And he is like every young person who's about eco
from one to forty in this world.

Speaker 17 (02:06:17):
They're looking at everything he's doing as a political state.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Hey, Joy, I remember Joy two thousand and three, Beyonce
performed with performed and with Bruno Mars and remember this here,
just just keep pulling the audio down. But MAGA lost
their mind because all these black women had these berets
on and they were like, oh my god, she's paying

(02:06:40):
homage to the Black Panthers.

Speaker 7 (02:06:42):
What do we do again this?

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
They are All they can do is complain about something
because Joy, they can't stand black and brown people. That's
what they want. What they want is whiteness. They want
wonder bread and milk at halftime.

Speaker 13 (02:06:58):
That is right. The artists are boring.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
Nobody is going is wanting.

Speaker 13 (02:07:03):
To see them at the Super Bowl. If the NFL
thought that it was in their financial and cultural interests
to feature, you know, some of the artists that you
were laughingly mentioning a few minutes ago that, hell, I
don't even know they would have done it. You're pitching
bad Bunny because Bad Bunny is who people want to see.
The NFL also is trying to be an international audience.

(02:07:26):
I think you alluded to this earlier. They're not just
trying to stay here in the United States, right, So
they're trying to appeal to the entire world, playing games overseas, etc.
So that is also happening here. They're saying that we
embrace a multiculturalism that is already here.

Speaker 7 (02:07:45):
The NFL is lagging.

Speaker 13 (02:07:46):
They're not in front. These folks are all ready here.
We've seen it with all the artists, and white people
are watching and listening to these artists as well. This
is not just about people of color, because we know
they don't give a damn about us. This is about
there the constellation of people watch these games want to
see bad Bunny, and I hope he brings it. And

(02:08:08):
because he is politically and culturally and socially aware, we
can expect that there's going to be some undercurrent here
that's going to not just be about music, but it's
also going to be about transforming in a critical election this.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
I love that you said that, because Roland, I don't
know if you real quick.

Speaker 5 (02:08:27):
Okay, so I don't know if you know.

Speaker 38 (02:08:29):
So last night, a Bad Bunny's song from twenty twenty
was released on SoundCloud where he's straight being like, the
police are killing black people. We miss Kobe and there's
white young men massacring people right so, like right now,
from what I'm hearing from folks, I know at those
levels they're saying the NFL might be rethinking of even

(02:08:53):
having him because of a song that we would see
for any hip hop artists that was political and black.
We would see it from Ta Liib and Dead Press
and only Amazing.

Speaker 17 (02:09:03):
Like more political rappers. And it came out and somebody
just dropped.

Speaker 38 (02:09:07):
That I had never heard it, but once I heard it,
I was like, oh yo, well he goes look right here,
right here, we at a whole different level right now,
because they're trying to erase us because they they're launching
paths to invade Venezuela is here, and I guarantee you
in ten days they're going to try to invade Venezuela is.

Speaker 7 (02:09:29):
Randy. Let's be real clear, the NFL is a.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Group of white men, white women except for one owner
Caln down in Jacksonville, who love money.

Speaker 7 (02:09:41):
They love money.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
These are some Maga Trump loving, Trump supporting, donating owners.
And so let's just make no mistake here. Okay, no
one can be confused. Okay for everybody who's out here
who's like, oh, jay Z's picking halftime, No he's not.

(02:10:04):
Jay Z's recommending the artists at halftime. If you think
for a second that Roger Goodell and the NFL office
did not vet bad bunny and check everything out, you're crazy.
And these owners can I remember you know McKendrick, Well,
some owners they weren't happy, bullshit when them ratings dropped.

(02:10:29):
They were happy, you know why? Because the NFL, y'all.
Just in case any of y'all want to understand the
Morris Smith talked about it on the Breakfast Club and
guess what. The owner of the Patriots, Robert Kraft, he
talked about it as well. He said it the NFL
practices socialism, because that's what the NFL is. They actually

(02:10:52):
share money, they share revenue. These owners know what they're doing.
These owners are all about the money. They are about
getting paid. They're about making more money. They don't give
a damn if Maga's upset, because you know what they
want to see. They want to see Latinos, brown people.
They want to see them buying product. They want to

(02:11:13):
see them buying jerseys. They want to see them buying
beer at the game. And matter of fact, if y'all
I think that I'm lying, here's Robert Craft on CNBC
and wait till you hear the white anchors stop him.

Speaker 7 (02:11:25):
We're talking about socialism.

Speaker 43 (02:11:26):
Listen, what I have believed in ninety four when I
played the highest price ever paid for any sports franchise
in the world are now and I never would have
believed it. But you know, it's a credit to my
partners in the NFL, and Roger Goodell has done a

(02:11:46):
great job leading are NFL, and we work. It's almost
the socialist system of we're partners together.

Speaker 7 (02:12:00):
And say that.

Speaker 39 (02:12:02):
Don't say anything good is happening so or else he's
gonna get more votes down here.

Speaker 7 (02:12:07):
No, no, no, no, But I mean that on the way.

Speaker 43 (02:12:09):
It's a spirit where it's the most competitive business there is.
How bad were people do to win? But we're partners
and we have to come together.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
See Joe Kerrnan right there, Randy, Joe Kurran didn't want
the truth being told. Hey man, no, no, no, no, don't
bring it. We did them a mom donnae here in
New York. Don't say socialist, but he's right. The NFL
is the biggest sports league in America, twenty five billion dollars.
They're the only sports league that competes with Jesus churches.

(02:12:41):
Churches will shut down early on Sundays because supposed gonna
watch the game.

Speaker 7 (02:12:46):
So let's be real clear.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
The NFL, the NFL, they ain't backing out of this here.
They love the controversy because they want the ratings to explode.
You know what that means. That means that whoever has
the NFL game is selling out of the ad units.
It means that for Apple Music, which is now sponsored
the halftime show used to be Pepsi, it's gonna be
even bigger. They know the streams, the purchases of bad

(02:13:11):
money are going to explode before doing and after the game.
This is American capitalism. And they don't give a damn
if MAGA is upset because they're sitting here saying.

Speaker 7 (02:13:23):
Count the money, Randy.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
So they had they stay so called Heydi, but they
love Dei at halftime, and they love Dei in the
first half and the second half when it's making these
white folks money, right, hold on Rosa, hold on Rosa,
Randy God, what.

Speaker 16 (02:13:43):
It is about making money and what they get that
seems like MAGA doesn't get is that they have to
give the world what the world wants to see because
they're in the business of making money. Thirteen percent of
the population in the United States, first of all, speaks Spanish.

Speaker 4 (02:13:57):
That's what they don't want to know, and MEGA doesn't
want to mit that.

Speaker 16 (02:14:00):
But the world is very diverse. Also, the NFL wants
to expand across the world. I was just in South
Africa and they in NFL was advertising in.

Speaker 4 (02:14:10):
Metro stations. Also, what's interesting to.

Speaker 16 (02:14:12):
Me is how MAGA is so interesting, so ignorant when
it comes to who a US citizen is. They try
to make these points, but they do it from an
ignorant place. Bad Bunny is a US citizen, but guess
who wasn't that? Shania Twain not a US citizen? The
Coldplay not US citizens, Utube not US citizens, Rolling Stones
not US citizens.

Speaker 13 (02:14:33):
All people who performed.

Speaker 45 (02:14:35):
At the Super Bowl halftime shows before, they didn't have
problems with them because they look what these ignorant folks
think Americans are US citizens should look like.

Speaker 16 (02:14:45):
But Bad Bunny does not because of the way he
looks and the language that is his first language. And
so all they're doing is showing their racism, as they
always end up doing. But the thing is, I've always
told people Maga is divided into two people. They're the
very rich ones, the billionaires, and then they're very racist ones.
And sometimes they are divided because the rich ones are

(02:15:07):
not going to give into their racism and lose money.

Speaker 13 (02:15:12):
They're gonna make their money.

Speaker 16 (02:15:13):
And that's exactly why that choice was making made for
Bad Bunny in the.

Speaker 7 (02:15:17):
NFL Rules of Final Comment.

Speaker 38 (02:15:20):
I mean, I would just I agree with what you
just said, and I'm like, at the an America's capitalism,
what they don't see as the effectives that in my opinion,
After Hurricane Adiya and then twenty nineteen, Bad Bunny led
the biggest protests in the history of Point Hico one
point eight million dollars. There's a lot of things to

(02:15:41):
talk about us being a colony, and the last thing
I will say that I.

Speaker 17 (02:15:44):
Appreciate your artist is going to appreciate.

Speaker 38 (02:15:47):
In this tour, he recruited a faculty member of the
University of Wisconsin. His name is doctor Badijo, and doctor
Bajan wrote.

Speaker 17 (02:15:57):
This and Sam, if you love with the Pico, don't
get the Navy blue, get the layer blue.

Speaker 5 (02:16:04):
That Bunny created his.

Speaker 38 (02:16:06):
Entire show on the history of Puerto Rico. If we
align as American citizens, African American citizens, Puerto Rico citizens,
United States citizens who are treated as second class, we
have always worked together and we're gonna keep it moving.

Speaker 10 (02:16:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
Listen, I think to watch these Maga people lose their shit.
I love it, actually hilarious to me, and they're gonna
be yelling and screaming. I don't think for a second
I will be shocked if the NFL pulled back on this.
I think they did all the vetting. They knew what
was gonna happen, they knew the reaction. But the NFL
owners care about one thing.

Speaker 7 (02:16:45):
Money.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
They will pimp any controversy. They will pimp anything in
order to make money. It's as simple as that. That's
how they roll. So we'll see so. But there's nothing
like Maga and these maggots crashing out Roll CLEMENTI, I
appreciate the facts a lot.

Speaker 7 (02:17:00):
Thank you, folks. That's it for us.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
Let me thank Randy Joy and Rebecca for a bit
on today's panel.

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(02:24:45):
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(02:25:14):
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Speaker 22 (02:25:21):
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