September 12, 2025 • 24 mins
Bomb threats have forced multiple HBCUs into lockdown, a crisis leaders describe as part of an escalating antiblack agenda. Calls are growing for the FBI and Department of Justice to treat these incidents as domestic terrorism, warning that Black institutions and students are being viciously targeted. The climate of intimidation reflects what speakers called a historical escalation, with Black America increasingly under siege. Despite the threats, the message was clear: communities will not be intimidated and will continue to resist.
🔥 Bomb threats forced multiple HBCUs into lockdown across the country
🔥 Leaders call on DOJ and FBI to investigate as acts of domestic terrorism
🔥 “We are literally living in a climate where Black people are being attacked”
🔥 “This is a historical escalation” — HBCUs are under direct, systemic threat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A Multiple HBCUs have been under a lockdown amid threats
(00:04):
to their campuses at Alabama State University, Hampton University, Virginia
State University, Southern University in Baton Rouge, as well as
the COOKMANE University in Florida were all placed on lockdown today,
each sighting potential threats made against their campuses. In Atlanta,
spelled In College urged students in a faculty to avoid
(00:25):
campus and implement it heightened security measures. Following a threat
made against nearby Clark Atlanta University campus police in Clark
Atlanta University confirmed the threat had been received, prompting a
shelter in place order. These incidents come one day after
right wing influencer Charlie Kirk was shot dead on the
(00:45):
college campus in Utah. Housburry leader Hakim Jeffreys released a
statement about these threats.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This is what he had to say.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He said, the violent threats to made today against several
historically black covers the university throughout the nation are despicable
and yet another indication that the explosion of hateful extremism
is out of control. We stand with the students, faculty,
communities that have had their peace and safety disrupted. I'm
thankful to local law enforcement for their swift response. The
(01:15):
Department of Justice and FBI must thoroughly investigate any potential
act of domestic terrorism and not turn a blind eye
when black college students are apparently being viciously targeted. These
attempts to intimidate everyday Americans will not stand. We need
leadership at this moment that brings the country together. Now,
(01:36):
a threat was also made against a Democratic National Committee headquarters.
SENI staff receive an alert from the US Capital regard
and the responses the National Party's headquarters. According to a
statement from the US Capitol, police officers were alerted to
the potential threat at one seven pm Eastern and began
sweeping the building and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
As of the latest update, Yeah South Southwest d C.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
A DNC spokes person confirmed that the incident was determined
to be a non credible bomb threat.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Now keep in mind the DNC headquarters.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Also, they still have not found the person who placed
those pipe bombs outside of the DNC headquarters. In January
of twenty twenty one, I want to go to my panel, Greg.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I want to start with you, you.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Professor at Howard University give us a sense of what
it felt like on that campus today.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Howard was not one of those schools that we impacted.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But the thing here, I mean, what does it say
that after this day HPC's were targeted. I mean, the
reality is, in this climate we're in, in this anti
black climate, HBCUs are a huge target for racist in America.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Rolling out. I'm trying to pick my words carefully here.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
When the first reports began to filter throughout earlier today,
I went to several of my group chats, because of
course I have colleagues at every one of those campuses and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Most of the hbcs.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Of course, those students from most of them, and the
reports I got back, some were sheltering in place like
Clark students in Spelmen were locked down for about an
hour near next door Morehouse. Of course, got we brought
back and we were in conversation and the general sentiment
was this, you're not going to intimidate us, and you're
(03:34):
not going to scare us. It's white Nashal's sorry war
with each other. They've been at war each other since
they left Europe five many years ago. They are in
moments like this when they're desperate. In moments like this,
they get more and more absurd and we get pulled
into this violence. This is not a nation. It is
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a country with a lot of different people in it.
And you want to go look for people who are
killing people. The last place you should look at historically
black causes and universities. And if you take a few
phone calls and some emails, that will be taken seriously,
of course, But do you think if you think for
a minute.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's gonna stop us. You know what I did today
Rome after.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I checked on my people, and as I was checking
on my people, I want to teach my classes.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, again, we talked about threats. Our HBCUs obviously have
to be proactive, and again we talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's real what we're living in.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
We are literally living in a climate where black people
are being attacked. You look at social media, are being vilified.
You take one black man who's schizophrenic who kills a
white woman on a public transportation, and every black person
(05:03):
in America has to be held into account. But if
somebody white is killed, it's not like every white person
has to address that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This thing is real.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The constant attacks on DEI. I mean, we can go
on and on and on, and so we have to
stay alert and be vigilant because we are on I
mean not only that, you take latinos and now the
Supreme Court has said they can be searched at any
given time just because of how they look and how
(05:33):
they sound.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean, what we.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Have literally is an attack on people of color in
the United States by white America.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Absolutely, and this is this is a historical escalation, right.
It doesn't matter what the person may or may not
look like, who shot Charlie klerk Kirk, or what their
ideology is. The fact is folks with guns, folks with
chips on their shoulders, a lot of insurrectionists who were
(06:04):
let go after January sixth, These people have already made
up their minds a long time ago about who the
enemy is, right, they have already made up their mind.
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what facts say, it
doesn't matter what logic says. What matters is to them,
we are the enemy. We are their oldest enemy.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And then you have immigrants that come in, you know,
from from different parts of the world who also get
put into this categorization of the other and the enemy.
So that is the reality in which I know that
I was raised in, and as we sit here still
in twenty twenty five, that reality is starker than ever
(06:49):
there an There was a post on dear white staffers
on Instagram from a black student asking her white professor
at a PWI a public white institution, private white institution,
however you want to phrase it, asking her professor if
(07:10):
it was okay if she stayed in her dorm or
in her apartment because she was afraid to come to campus.
And her professor's response was don't let them win. And
then her response was, well, as like one of three
black people you know in this classroom, I stand out.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I am a target.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And as someone who teaches at a PWY, I can
tell you in these moments, my black students are actually
the most worried because I stand out. They stand You know,
Red was talking about being at an HBCU. There is
that community aspect, there is that resilience. Those aspects aren't
(07:51):
necessarily there at pwy's and so it's a very interesting
kind of parallel where you have black students in one instance,
they have that community. We stand together like I wish
you would kind of mentality, and then where I work
my students, it's.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
A completely different situation.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
But the last thing I'll say is this, This is
not a new situation for us, but I will say
from my professional through my professional lens, things are escalating.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
We are beyond warm. We are approaching hot. Every single
day when we are talking about this kind of nuanced
civil war, we're definitely in a warm to hot phase.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And see Tim The.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Issue that we are dealing with, the issue dealing with
is that historically, if we go back to the Department
of Justice, we go back to the Black freedom movement,
we talk about the protection of civil rights workers and
marchers and protesters. Bobby Kennedy was the Attorney General, and
so historically we're talking about looking to the federal government
(09:01):
for protection. The problem that we're now living in is
that the folks running the federal government see us as enemies,
and the American people, especially black people, do not have
the trust in the Department of Justice, the trust in
(09:22):
US marshals, the trust in federal law enforcement. Again, when
you have Stephen Miller and Corey Lewandowski and Tom Homan,
when you have Ice Barbie Christy Nome. When you have
Donald Trump as their leader literally saying the things that
they are saying and what they are doing, folk are saying,
(09:46):
a man, we can't look to them for protection if
we're being targeted.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, this is the same guy.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who canceled the security deed, the secret Service detail for
Vice President Kamala Harris just.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Beca because.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
You're yes, I mean, to be perfectly honest, I am
not surprised about the bomb threats today based on what
Donald Trump in his administration and MAGA talks about on
a daily basis.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
You guys are correct.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
They other people and they create this right wing media
ecosystem where they are only they're only pumped full of
this racist nonsense and they end up believing it at
the end of the day. I don't think if I
was a black American, I would not trust the Department
of Justice.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
They gutted the Department the Office of Civil Rights.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I mean Janine Piro, who is now what the acting
District Attorney or whatever of DC is saying she's not
going to prosecute people who are open carry. Well, that's
a signal to white America. That is not a signal
to black America. Let's be very clear, and it is
dangerous rhetoric like this that is putting us in this
sitgu situation that we are in.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know, the.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Shooting of Charlie Kirk is a horrible, horrible act, But
they have been fomenting violence on the right forever. And
all you have to do is google which side is
the perpetrator of most political violence in this country. It
is not trans people, which they have tried to do.
It is not Black Americans, it is you know, it
(11:25):
is it is the right wing because they are they
drive people with fear, and fear delivers for them electorally.
And to be perfectly honest, more people who look like
me need to be saying this to their communities so
that we break the stranglehold that they have on white America,
especially older white America, and say no, this is not correct.
(11:48):
This has to stop, and we need to address the
real problems rather than othering people like we have done
for honestly, two hundred years or how long, two hundred
and fifty years or something like that.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
It is time to change that. More people have to
stand up and shout it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So here's the thing that is confusing to me. And
I'm I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All of these different networks in their coverage. Time Magazine
if let me see.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I sent some people yesterday. Time Magazine put a cover
enough to killing Charlie Kirk and the epidemic of American
political violence. And it goes on and on and on.
Here's the problem that I have here, Tim. No one
knows what the hell they're talking about now. Assumptions obviously
are being made. Assumptions are being made because he kicked
(12:46):
off whatever, this tour Attah, this University of Utah.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Okay, but to.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Me, it is journalistic malpractice. And then you're seeing journalistic
malpractice to start a signing reasons behind what happened yesterday
when you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Know what the reasons are.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Fuck, you have no suspect or suspects. FBI puts the
photo out, You've got no benifest you've got nothing. An
early report by the Wall Street Journal about these anti
fascist transgender markings on the inside of the rifle.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Twenty minutes later, atf was like, hey, time out. We
haven't checked into this.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Out, so all of a sudden, and so you're seeing
this whole deal.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And what I have been saying to people is shut up.
Shut up. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I just think that when people jump to conclusions.
We've seen this before in other stories, when something happens
and it's like, oh, we found out later what the
truth was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
There's nothing wrong with just shutting up and letting law
enforcement do what they do. I believe that what you
have seen in the last twenty four hours, with the
ramping up of all of this, are folk wanting to
jump to conclusions. It does not serve anybody to jump
(14:22):
to a conclusion. And even Donald Trump did the exact
same thing. And this is the problem when you heighten
these things. How about actually waiting for real information.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is it that hard.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
For a normal, sane person. No, it is not hard.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
But the reality is that the Republican Party takes their
marching orders from Donald Trump, and he sat in the
Oval office yesterday. I believe behind the resolute desk and
blame Democrats for this shooting. And like you said, Roland,
we don't know who this is. This person is the
same thing happened last year with the assassination attempt of
Donald Trump. Right wing media immediately jumped on the fact,
(15:08):
and they said this was clearly a Democrat, this was
left wing violence. And what did we find out later?
This guy was a mentally disturbed Republican. And I think
that there is a lesson here that I don't think
the media is getting and I don't think people online
are getting. Is that a lot of times, and when
you are fermenting this type of rage on the right,
(15:29):
you are you're radicalizing people with mental illness who may
just lash out at you. We don't know, but I
have not said any of that. I have not said
it was a Republican or a Democrat. And I think
more people need to take a breath. And there's just
there's there's such a need on the right to weaponize
all of these things for political gain, and it's disgusting
and sadly a lot of the media has been going
(15:51):
along with it. We simply don't know who this guy
is and we don't know what his agenda is. He
made mistakes, so hopefully we will be able to find him.
But until then, anybody who is claiming that this is
a left or right problem is full of it, and
it really should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And see what this does Nolah. It fires people up,
it gets them, it gets them all hyped. You've got
Jesse Waters on Fox News declaring there's going to be retribution,
all this sort of stuff. You don't even know what
the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And so.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We often talk about police how they should de escalate.
This is where a lot of these media people should
shut the hell up as well. To me, it's only ridiculous.
You know nothing. You literally know nothing about what happened,
(16:55):
the reason behind it, nothing, not a little bit, Nola,
literally nothing, Roland.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You are still operating as a professional.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We all know that professionalism backs in logic, no longer
exists on this timeline. You know, I want to say,
you know two things. I want to say something from
my national through my national security lens what I see there,
and then also from a comms and media perspective in
(17:28):
this kind of new media ecosystem where it's rapid response
and it's very hard to fact check and to get
things correct because you're trying to beat the algorithm, right,
you're trying to ride that wave. But you know, from
a national security perspective, first of all, to automatically go
to you know, it's the left it's liberals, you know,
(17:51):
blaming black people. We are we are the perpetual enemy.
It doesn't matter what we do or what we don't do.
I want people to first understand the democratics in Utah
because this happened in Utah, where there's under two percent
of black people that live in Utah.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
First and foremost.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Right, So if there's a black person perched somewhere with
some sort of rifle or some sort of weapon, they
will probably stand out first, you know, let's start there. Secondly,
to your point, we don't know anything. So why two
point five seconds after Charlie Kirk was shot, before he
was announced dead, that corporate media, right when media was
(18:31):
blaming the left, blaming the liberals. This is dangerous and
it's all so strategic to what in some people may say,
it's exactly this, right, it's the fear on HBCU campuses.
It's all the rage baiting that's happened, and all the
videos and the clips that you're seeing. It's the rapid response.
(18:52):
It's the kind of spike in an algorithm. I personally
believe that too many people have already bought into this
kind of this belief that this is the right way
the country should be heading in, you know, in terms
(19:13):
of this is how white people get this country back.
It doesn't matter if it's true. It doesn't matter if
it's facts. It's about scaring people. It is about terrorizing people.
As we sit here today on the twenty fourth anniversary
of nine eleven, it is about terrorizing people.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
And that is what is happening.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
People are traumatized and terrorized, and that is the end goal.
That is what's in the toolkit of fascism and so
solitarianism period.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I just again, I I what I say to people
is be quiet, well, you know nothing, don't just make
up stuff Greg. But that's but that we You know,
there's a cables cable news system now with social media, uh,
and now people just it's like not even forget a
(20:09):
new cycle. News cycles don't even exist anymore. We literally
are living on not even hour by hour, minute by minute,
it's second by second. And I just was a lot
of people would just shut the hell up because you
don't know what the hell you're talking about. So somebody
asked me, what do you think there's nothing to think
you don't know?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Well, I mean the scientists tell us don't they rather
than nature of boards a vacuum. And I agree with
everything that the Haynes just said. Nolan, you know, as
you were talking about earlier, you know, being in the
white campus. You know, I my heart goes out to
you because I absolutely you know, I went to Temple,
went to how State that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Because of Tunston State.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
While sound, you know exactly what it's like to be
in a sea of whiteness and with your head on
a swivel.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So I mean I can't express the depth.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Of a feeling that I have for that, and so
that's a very real thing. I agree with you one
hundred percent. The objective, the objective of these fascists is
not de escalation, but escalation. You know, these these these
these small minded folks, they have no morals, they have
no ethics.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That all they want is power.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And you know they are right, I'll give you tim
they're taking the directions of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But they were primed to take those directions by New.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Greenish, you know, by Barry Goldwater and George Wallace Wich
and Nixon. They lee atwater, you know, Roger Stone. I mean,
in other words, this is the trajectory. There isn't a
left in the right. There's fascism and anti fascism at
this point, and being quiet is not an option because
our silence is filled in the void with the lower lumers.
(21:55):
You know, Charlie Kirk. God blessed Charlie Kirk. God bless
his family, God bless them. I have nothing to say
about Charlie Kirk. He's not relevant to me. He wasn't
relevant yesterday, and he's not relevant to that. He won't
be relevant tomorrow. Chili Kirk is a symptom. He lost
his life. That's a tragedy. Preston Brooks beat the hell
out of Senator Charles Sumner on the Florida United States
(22:19):
Senate in the days before the Civil War. Now, some
to survive, but it was blood all over the place.
This is the kind of violence we see on the
verge of other types of violence. Before it was over,
hundreds of thousand, seven thousand people lost their vivenance in
the United States Civil War. That's not going to happen
again in the same way. However, when you see a
moment when somebody loses their life in a way that
(22:42):
is then broadcast over the entire world, the entire world,
and in the wake of it before this man's corpse
is cold.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
The President of the United States is.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
On the air, blaming the people who he has called
the enemy of the people, and like a cascade of
if you're a bread clan bread fascist Nazi hatred, his
choir begins to tune in on everybody in the world
who they see as their open enemies. I'm not sure
that silence is the strategy to combat fascism in this moment.
(23:16):
I'm not saying I know what is, but I know
these people aren't interested in the escalation. Their whole objective
is escalation.
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A Multiple HBCUs have been under a lockdown amid threats
(00:04):
to their campuses at Alabama State University, Hampton University, Virginia
State University, Southern University in Baton Rouge, as well as
the COOKMANE University in Florida were all placed on lockdown today,
each sighting potential threats made against their campuses. In Atlanta,
spelled In College urged students in a faculty to avoid
(00:25):
campus and implement it heightened security measures. Following a threat
made against nearby Clark Atlanta University campus police in Clark
Atlanta University confirmed the threat had been received, prompting a
shelter in place order. These incidents come one day after
right wing influencer Charlie Kirk was shot dead on the
(00:45):
college campus in Utah. Housburry leader Hakim Jeffreys released a
statement about these threats.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This is what he had to say.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He said, the violent threats to made today against several
historically black covers the university throughout the nation are despicable
and yet another indication that the explosion of hateful extremism
is out of control. We stand with the students, faculty,
communities that have had their peace and safety disrupted. I'm
thankful to local law enforcement for their swift response. The
(01:15):
Department of Justice and FBI must thoroughly investigate any potential
act of domestic terrorism and not turn a blind eye
when black college students are apparently being viciously targeted. These
attempts to intimidate everyday Americans will not stand. We need
leadership at this moment that brings the country together. Now,
(01:36):
a threat was also made against a Democratic National Committee headquarters.
SENI staff receive an alert from the US Capital regard
and the responses the National Party's headquarters. According to a
statement from the US Capitol, police officers were alerted to
the potential threat at one seven pm Eastern and began
sweeping the building and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
As of the latest update, Yeah South Southwest d C.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
A DNC spokes person confirmed that the incident was determined
to be a non credible bomb threat.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Now keep in mind the DNC headquarters.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Also, they still have not found the person who placed
those pipe bombs outside of the DNC headquarters. In January
of twenty twenty one, I want to go to my panel, Greg.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I want to start with you, you.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Professor at Howard University give us a sense of what
it felt like on that campus today.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Howard was not one of those schools that we impacted.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But the thing here, I mean, what does it say
that after this day HPC's were targeted. I mean, the
reality is, in this climate we're in, in this anti
black climate, HBCUs are a huge target for racist in America.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Rolling out. I'm trying to pick my words carefully here.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
When the first reports began to filter throughout earlier today,
I went to several of my group chats, because of
course I have colleagues at every one of those campuses and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Most of the hbcs.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Of course, those students from most of them, and the
reports I got back, some were sheltering in place like
Clark students in Spelmen were locked down for about an
hour near next door Morehouse. Of course, got we brought
back and we were in conversation and the general sentiment
was this, you're not going to intimidate us, and you're
(03:34):
not going to scare us. It's white Nashal's sorry war
with each other. They've been at war each other since
they left Europe five many years ago. They are in
moments like this when they're desperate. In moments like this,
they get more and more absurd and we get pulled
into this violence. This is not a nation. It is
(03:56):
a country with a lot of different people in it.
And you want to go look for people who are
killing people. The last place you should look at historically
black causes and universities. And if you take a few
phone calls and some emails, that will be taken seriously,
of course, But do you think if you think for
a minute.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's gonna stop us. You know what I did today
Rome after.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I checked on my people, and as I was checking
on my people, I want to teach my classes.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, again, we talked about threats. Our HBCUs obviously have
to be proactive, and again we talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's real what we're living in.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
We are literally living in a climate where black people
are being attacked. You look at social media, are being vilified.
You take one black man who's schizophrenic who kills a
white woman on a public transportation, and every black person
(05:03):
in America has to be held into account. But if
somebody white is killed, it's not like every white person
has to address that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This thing is real.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The constant attacks on DEI. I mean, we can go
on and on and on, and so we have to
stay alert and be vigilant because we are on I
mean not only that, you take latinos and now the
Supreme Court has said they can be searched at any
given time just because of how they look and how
(05:33):
they sound.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean, what we.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Have literally is an attack on people of color in
the United States by white America.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Absolutely, and this is this is a historical escalation, right.
It doesn't matter what the person may or may not
look like, who shot Charlie klerk Kirk, or what their
ideology is. The fact is folks with guns, folks with
chips on their shoulders, a lot of insurrectionists who were
(06:04):
let go after January sixth, These people have already made
up their minds a long time ago about who the
enemy is, right, they have already made up their mind.
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what facts say, it
doesn't matter what logic says. What matters is to them,
we are the enemy. We are their oldest enemy.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And then you have immigrants that come in, you know,
from from different parts of the world who also get
put into this categorization of the other and the enemy.
So that is the reality in which I know that
I was raised in, and as we sit here still
in twenty twenty five, that reality is starker than ever
(06:49):
there an There was a post on dear white staffers
on Instagram from a black student asking her white professor
at a PWI a public white institution, private white institution,
however you want to phrase it, asking her professor if
(07:10):
it was okay if she stayed in her dorm or
in her apartment because she was afraid to come to campus.
And her professor's response was don't let them win. And
then her response was, well, as like one of three
black people you know in this classroom, I stand out.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I am a target.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And as someone who teaches at a PWY, I can
tell you in these moments, my black students are actually
the most worried because I stand out. They stand You know,
Red was talking about being at an HBCU. There is
that community aspect, there is that resilience. Those aspects aren't
(07:51):
necessarily there at pwy's and so it's a very interesting
kind of parallel where you have black students in one instance,
they have that community. We stand together like I wish
you would kind of mentality, and then where I work
my students, it's.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
A completely different situation.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
But the last thing I'll say is this, This is
not a new situation for us, but I will say
from my professional through my professional lens, things are escalating.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
We are beyond warm. We are approaching hot. Every single
day when we are talking about this kind of nuanced
civil war, we're definitely in a warm to hot phase.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And see Tim The.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Issue that we are dealing with, the issue dealing with
is that historically, if we go back to the Department
of Justice, we go back to the Black freedom movement,
we talk about the protection of civil rights workers and
marchers and protesters. Bobby Kennedy was the Attorney General, and
so historically we're talking about looking to the federal government
(09:01):
for protection. The problem that we're now living in is
that the folks running the federal government see us as enemies,
and the American people, especially black people, do not have
the trust in the Department of Justice, the trust in
(09:22):
US marshals, the trust in federal law enforcement. Again, when
you have Stephen Miller and Corey Lewandowski and Tom Homan,
when you have Ice Barbie Christy Nome. When you have
Donald Trump as their leader literally saying the things that
they are saying and what they are doing, folk are saying,
(09:46):
a man, we can't look to them for protection if
we're being targeted.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, this is the same guy.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Who canceled the security deed, the secret Service detail for
Vice President Kamala Harris just.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Beca because.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
You're yes, I mean, to be perfectly honest, I am
not surprised about the bomb threats today based on what
Donald Trump in his administration and MAGA talks about on
a daily basis.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
You guys are correct.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
They other people and they create this right wing media
ecosystem where they are only they're only pumped full of
this racist nonsense and they end up believing it at
the end of the day. I don't think if I
was a black American, I would not trust the Department
of Justice.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
They gutted the Department the Office of Civil Rights.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I mean Janine Piro, who is now what the acting
District Attorney or whatever of DC is saying she's not
going to prosecute people who are open carry. Well, that's
a signal to white America. That is not a signal
to black America. Let's be very clear, and it is
dangerous rhetoric like this that is putting us in this
sitgu situation that we are in.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know, the.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Shooting of Charlie Kirk is a horrible, horrible act, But
they have been fomenting violence on the right forever. And
all you have to do is google which side is
the perpetrator of most political violence in this country. It
is not trans people, which they have tried to do.
It is not Black Americans, it is you know, it
(11:25):
is it is the right wing because they are they
drive people with fear, and fear delivers for them electorally.
And to be perfectly honest, more people who look like
me need to be saying this to their communities so
that we break the stranglehold that they have on white America,
especially older white America, and say no, this is not correct.
(11:48):
This has to stop, and we need to address the
real problems rather than othering people like we have done
for honestly, two hundred years or how long, two hundred
and fifty years or something like that.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
It is time to change that. More people have to
stand up and shout it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So here's the thing that is confusing to me. And
I'm I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All of these different networks in their coverage. Time Magazine
if let me see.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I sent some people yesterday. Time Magazine put a cover
enough to killing Charlie Kirk and the epidemic of American
political violence. And it goes on and on and on.
Here's the problem that I have here, Tim. No one
knows what the hell they're talking about now. Assumptions obviously
are being made. Assumptions are being made because he kicked
(12:46):
off whatever, this tour Attah, this University of Utah.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Okay, but to.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Me, it is journalistic malpractice. And then you're seeing journalistic
malpractice to start a signing reasons behind what happened yesterday
when you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Know what the reasons are.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Fuck, you have no suspect or suspects. FBI puts the
photo out, You've got no benifest you've got nothing. An
early report by the Wall Street Journal about these anti
fascist transgender markings on the inside of the rifle.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Twenty minutes later, atf was like, hey, time out. We
haven't checked into this.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Out, so all of a sudden, and so you're seeing
this whole deal.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And what I have been saying to people is shut up.
Shut up. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I just think that when people jump to conclusions.
We've seen this before in other stories, when something happens
and it's like, oh, we found out later what the
truth was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
There's nothing wrong with just shutting up and letting law
enforcement do what they do. I believe that what you
have seen in the last twenty four hours, with the
ramping up of all of this, are folk wanting to
jump to conclusions. It does not serve anybody to jump
(14:22):
to a conclusion. And even Donald Trump did the exact
same thing. And this is the problem when you heighten
these things. How about actually waiting for real information.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is it that hard.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
For a normal, sane person. No, it is not hard.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
But the reality is that the Republican Party takes their
marching orders from Donald Trump, and he sat in the
Oval office yesterday. I believe behind the resolute desk and
blame Democrats for this shooting. And like you said, Roland,
we don't know who this is. This person is the
same thing happened last year with the assassination attempt of
Donald Trump. Right wing media immediately jumped on the fact,
(15:08):
and they said this was clearly a Democrat, this was
left wing violence. And what did we find out later?
This guy was a mentally disturbed Republican. And I think
that there is a lesson here that I don't think
the media is getting and I don't think people online
are getting. Is that a lot of times, and when
you are fermenting this type of rage on the right,
(15:29):
you are you're radicalizing people with mental illness who may
just lash out at you. We don't know, but I
have not said any of that. I have not said
it was a Republican or a Democrat. And I think
more people need to take a breath. And there's just
there's there's such a need on the right to weaponize
all of these things for political gain, and it's disgusting
and sadly a lot of the media has been going
(15:51):
along with it. We simply don't know who this guy
is and we don't know what his agenda is. He
made mistakes, so hopefully we will be able to find him.
But until then, anybody who is claiming that this is
a left or right problem is full of it, and
it really should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And see what this does Nolah. It fires people up,
it gets them, it gets them all hyped. You've got
Jesse Waters on Fox News declaring there's going to be retribution,
all this sort of stuff. You don't even know what
the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And so.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We often talk about police how they should de escalate.
This is where a lot of these media people should
shut the hell up as well. To me, it's only ridiculous.
You know nothing. You literally know nothing about what happened,
(16:55):
the reason behind it, nothing, not a little bit, Nola,
literally nothing, Roland.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You are still operating as a professional.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
We all know that professionalism backs in logic, no longer
exists on this timeline. You know, I want to say,
you know two things. I want to say something from
my national through my national security lens what I see there,
and then also from a comms and media perspective in
(17:28):
this kind of new media ecosystem where it's rapid response
and it's very hard to fact check and to get
things correct because you're trying to beat the algorithm, right,
you're trying to ride that wave. But you know, from
a national security perspective, first of all, to automatically go
to you know, it's the left it's liberals, you know,
(17:51):
blaming black people. We are we are the perpetual enemy.
It doesn't matter what we do or what we don't do.
I want people to first understand the democratics in Utah
because this happened in Utah, where there's under two percent
of black people that live in Utah.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
First and foremost.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Right, So if there's a black person perched somewhere with
some sort of rifle or some sort of weapon, they
will probably stand out first, you know, let's start there. Secondly,
to your point, we don't know anything. So why two
point five seconds after Charlie Kirk was shot, before he
was announced dead, that corporate media, right when media was
(18:31):
blaming the left, blaming the liberals. This is dangerous and
it's all so strategic to what in some people may say,
it's exactly this, right, it's the fear on HBCU campuses.
It's all the rage baiting that's happened, and all the
videos and the clips that you're seeing. It's the rapid response.
(18:52):
It's the kind of spike in an algorithm. I personally
believe that too many people have already bought into this
kind of this belief that this is the right way
the country should be heading in, you know, in terms
(19:13):
of this is how white people get this country back.
It doesn't matter if it's true. It doesn't matter if
it's facts. It's about scaring people. It is about terrorizing people.
As we sit here today on the twenty fourth anniversary
of nine eleven, it is about terrorizing people.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
And that is what is happening.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
People are traumatized and terrorized, and that is the end goal.
That is what's in the toolkit of fascism and so
solitarianism period.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I just again, I I what I say to people
is be quiet, well, you know nothing, don't just make
up stuff Greg. But that's but that we You know,
there's a cables cable news system now with social media, uh,
and now people just it's like not even forget a
(20:09):
new cycle. News cycles don't even exist anymore. We literally
are living on not even hour by hour, minute by minute,
it's second by second. And I just was a lot
of people would just shut the hell up because you
don't know what the hell you're talking about. So somebody
asked me, what do you think there's nothing to think
you don't know?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Well, I mean the scientists tell us don't they rather
than nature of boards a vacuum. And I agree with
everything that the Haynes just said. Nolan, you know, as
you were talking about earlier, you know, being in the
white campus. You know, I my heart goes out to
you because I absolutely you know, I went to Temple,
went to how State that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Because of Tunston State.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
While sound, you know exactly what it's like to be
in a sea of whiteness and with your head on
a swivel.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So I mean I can't express the depth.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Of a feeling that I have for that, and so
that's a very real thing. I agree with you one
hundred percent. The objective, the objective of these fascists is
not de escalation, but escalation. You know, these these these
these small minded folks, they have no morals, they have
no ethics.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That all they want is power.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And you know they are right, I'll give you tim
they're taking the directions of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But they were primed to take those directions by New.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Greenish, you know, by Barry Goldwater and George Wallace Wich
and Nixon. They lee atwater, you know, Roger Stone. I mean,
in other words, this is the trajectory. There isn't a
left in the right. There's fascism and anti fascism at
this point, and being quiet is not an option because
our silence is filled in the void with the lower lumers.
(21:55):
You know, Charlie Kirk. God blessed Charlie Kirk. God bless
his family, God bless them. I have nothing to say
about Charlie Kirk. He's not relevant to me. He wasn't
relevant yesterday, and he's not relevant to that. He won't
be relevant tomorrow. Chili Kirk is a symptom. He lost
his life. That's a tragedy. Preston Brooks beat the hell
out of Senator Charles Sumner on the Florida United States
(22:19):
Senate in the days before the Civil War. Now, some
to survive, but it was blood all over the place.
This is the kind of violence we see on the
verge of other types of violence. Before it was over,
hundreds of thousand, seven thousand people lost their vivenance in
the United States Civil War. That's not going to happen
again in the same way. However, when you see a
moment when somebody loses their life in a way that
(22:42):
is then broadcast over the entire world, the entire world,
and in the wake of it before this man's corpse
is cold.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
The President of the United States is.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
On the air, blaming the people who he has called
the enemy of the people, and like a cascade of
if you're a bread clan bread fascist Nazi hatred, his
choir begins to tune in on everybody in the world
who they see as their open enemies. I'm not sure
that silence is the strategy to combat fascism in this moment.
(23:16):
I'm not saying I know what is, but I know
these people aren't interested in the escalation. Their whole objective
is escalation.
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