ICE Officer Tackles Woman, Shutdown Looms, UN Walkout on Netanyahu, Assata Shakur’s Legacy

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
So there's Friday September twenty six, twenty twenty five, coming
up on rollerd Martin unfilcher streaming live on the Black
Star Network. An ice officer has been suspended after video
murders of him slamming a woman down to the ground
in a very aggressive manner.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Wait until you see this video.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Also, five days from a government shut down, House, Democratic
leader Hakking Jefferson is sounding the alarm. Donald Trump is
trying to blame Democrats and Republicans control the House Senate
as well as the White House. Also, many diplomats, a
lot of diplomats walk out before Benjamin Yahoo speaks at
the United Nations.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Wait until we show you the video.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Also, Asada Shakur has passed away from a black panther
who was exiled to Cuba. That's where she fled down
to age of seventy eight. Will tell you about her
life as well. So Ellie Mittel talks about racism and
how Donald Trump is trying to destroy nineteen sixty eight

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Speaker 1 (03:41):
Those that shameful video has gone viral on that particular
ICE officer has been relieved of current duties uh after
it has gone viral. He was tackling a crying woman
inside the halls of an immigration courthouse in downtown Manhattan,
in front of her two children.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
That took place on the.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It was at twenty six Federal Plaza, inside the headquarters
for several federal law enforcement agencies in New York City.
She was clinging to her husband along with a young girl,
plead for his release while MASH officers hauled him away.
After the officer's pride, the woman from her husband. She
yells in Spanish, they don't care about anything. This is

(04:21):
a statement of release from Homeland Homeland Security Deputy Secretary
Trician McLaughlin. The officer's conduct in this video is unacceptable
and beneath the men and women of ICE. Our ICE
law enforcement officers are held to the highest professional standards.
This officer is being relieved to current duties as we
conduct a full investigation. My Panels Michael Mtep hosts the

(04:44):
African History Networks show I was Detroit. Matt Maninson, wri's
attorney out of Corporus Christian, Texas. Drew Harris, Elon's founder
and CEO of the group out of Montgomery County, Maryland.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Matt, I'm gonna start with you. Here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Donald Trump has empowered these thugs to do these type
of things. We have seen the bullish and the barish
actions of ICE officers. We've seen how they have essentially
attacked people. We've seen how throwing folks down to the ground,
pulling guns out, storming into car washes. There's a car
wash owner who was hospitalized, seventy nine year old guy

(05:19):
who's now suing them because injuries he sustained. And so
it's no shot this happened because they have been allowed
to do these things. So imagine the things that we
have not seen that took place.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
This one was recorded.

Speaker 10 (05:33):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (05:34):
I mean, you would think that law enforcement officers, federal
law enforcement officers, would know better than to engage and
engage in such conduct. And I think, you know, this
is one an oversight by the administration in terms of
just fomenting this kind of cavalier conduct from federal agents.
But unfortunately, I'll tell you I just tried a case
in June involving the US Marshals where it was this

(05:56):
similar kind of thing. I think for a long time
they've been empowered to have this kind of conduct and
to undertake these kinds of actions. I think the difference now, though,
is they're under a much larger microscope considering the administration
and the administrations trying to round up brown people and
non white people throughout this country.

Speaker 12 (06:14):
Now.

Speaker 11 (06:14):
I think the one thing that is potentially positive here
is that I think this is a circumstance where the
government will actually have liability. But to that end, I
think the federal judges are going to have to be
the line of defense between lawlessness and some kind of
recompense for this poor woman and other people who are
in this circumstance because what that person in I don't

(06:34):
remember the state you mentioned, but the elderly gentleman probably
filed is what's called a Federal Tort Claims Act case.

Speaker 10 (06:40):
And to make it very short, federal law enforcement officers.

Speaker 11 (06:42):
Can be liable if they commit one of six different tourts,
including assault, battery, and some other things that they can do.
So I think this is a circumstance where if she
files a lawsuit, should be in front of a federal
judge and he or she will decide whether they believe
this ice agent committed assault. But it's good that you
got it on vig. It's good that it's very clear
what happened. But it's sad that this administration has fomented

(07:05):
this exact kind of tenor in this country and that
a federal agent would be empowered to do this kind
of thing, despite the fact that they've got a bunch
of witnesses, probably know they're being recorded, and I think
there are reporters and photographers there. I mean, that's proof
positive that this administration has let them off the leash.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
But here's the thing here, Drew, we've seen this. They
know they can do whatever they want so. The only
reason this is a conversation is because, frankly, it's so
many cameras there.

Speaker 13 (07:38):
I think also to roll into your point, this is
something that this administration has really really fanned the flames.
I believe it's performative that this gentleman has lost his
job or is put on ICE until no pign attendant
put on ice until there's some investigation.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
But I have no.

Speaker 13 (08:03):
I do not believe that anything is really truly going
to happen if media like yourself, rolling and others are
not tracking the story, I think it get swept out
of the rug because this is exactly what they expect
for these people to do. This ice iteration of ice
is about being thuggish and about doing whatever they needed

(08:24):
to do. He felt embolden even though the cameras were there.
If there was any hesitation, he did not show it
because he felt like he had the right to do so.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
Michael, Yeah, Roland.

Speaker 14 (08:38):
This once again is red meat to Donald Trump's white
supremeist model base. This is one of the reasons why
they voted for him. This would distract them from a
government shut down where they could very well and losing
their medicaid, losing paychecks, things of this nature.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
What we just saw is to spit.

Speaker 14 (09:00):
But also keep in mind now the budget of Homeland
Security has been uh in Ice. They they've been tripled
because of the big, the big, ugly ass bill. And
we're going to see more things like this. So it's
good that this is recorded. And uh, this has gone
viral because this helped push back on some of this.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
But from reading the piece from the New York Times
on this, her husband was at an.

Speaker 14 (09:23):
Asylum hearing at the courthouse, and a lot of these
cases when uh, they the when ICE shows up at
the courthouse for arrest, they're arresting people who.

Speaker 8 (09:33):
Don't have a criminal record.

Speaker 14 (09:36):
Donald Trump said he was going after the hardened criminals
and and honey down the bad guys.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
Things like this, going after the worst of the worst.

Speaker 14 (09:43):
Okay, so this is appears on the surface right now,
the opposite of that. Somebody who's following the procedure showing
up the court.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
Things of this nature.

Speaker 14 (09:53):
So we're going to see more of this, but we
have to we have to fight against this. This is
why elections have consequences.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, all, here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
They've now arrested the superintendent of schools in Des Moines, Iowa.
In the message to families, the school board chair Jackie Norris,
confirmed that Superintendent Eon Roberts was taken into custody this morning.
District officials say they have no additional confirmed details about
his detention for what the next steps may be. Ice

(10:21):
with the assistance of the Iowa State Patrol, says, Roberts
was found with a loaded handgun, three thousand dollars in cash,
and a fixed blade hunting knife. The agency claims Roberts
has been living in the United States illegally from Guyana.
He was under a final order of removal issued in
May twenty twenty four and had no work authorization. He

(10:42):
formerly was a principal in Maryland, has worked in education
for a number of years. And to the point there,
to Michael's point, Drew, they talked about oh, releasing, you know,
going after hardened criminals. Superintend of schools, I don't think

(11:03):
qualifies for that category.

Speaker 13 (11:06):
Listen, It's just like Michael said, the people who voted
for this man that's occupying the White House, whether they
try to admit to it or not, they voted for this.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
We know that he's a liar, we know how that
he's racist.

Speaker 13 (11:24):
We know who's leading the charge, which is Stephen Miller,
who is his puppeteer. We recognize that this is exactly
what they want to do. He played into I guess
you would say, the fears of those that are criminals.
But he is going to the places where it's the
lowest hanging fruit. And while we are able to hear

(11:44):
by n in Iowa and we saw this situation that
was in New York, there are thousands of people who
are actually just going about their day and are coming
up missing because this is their approach, this is their attack.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
We know this.

Speaker 13 (12:01):
I don't even understand why we are surprised. Yes, we
need to use this to push back. Yes, we need
to think about ways to be able to figure out how.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Ways to make should we highlight all of this information?

Speaker 13 (12:14):
But truth be told, I really do not believe anything
is going to happen until the next election cycle and
we change who's in place to make decisions and make
laws that can make sure that we keep our people safe.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh there's no doubt.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, listen, this is what they want to do,
this is what they want to see. They absolutely are
buying into this. This was the statement. ICE released a
statement this is what they said. During a targeted enforcement
operation on September twenty six, twenty twenty five, officers approached

(12:52):
Roberts in his vehicle about identifying himself, but he sped away.
Officers later discovered his vehicle abandoned near a wooded area.
State patrol assistant in locating the subject, and it was
taken into ICE custody. Roberts has existing weapons possession charges
from February fifth, twenty twenty. Roberts enter the United States

(13:12):
in nineteen ninety nine on a student visa and was
given a final order of removal by an immigration judge
in May of twenty twenty four. The investigation into how
Roberts acquired the handgun is being turned over to the ATF.
Is a violation of federal law for those in the
United States without legal status to possess a firearm and ammunition.

(13:33):
And as I said he was, he was the superintendent
of schools in Des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Matt Matt remuted.

Speaker 10 (13:51):
My apologies.

Speaker 11 (13:51):
I said, I think Drew was one hundred percent writer
in her commentary. The thing I am a little perplexed by, though,
is one if those charges are allegedly from twenty twenty four.
Then that's obviously the prior administration. And what I'd be
interested in knowing is how the des Moines public schools,
you know one didn't have a contingency plan for this,

(14:12):
or you know how he was basically in that job.
If those things are true, that's definitely not to cast
dispersions on him. But you know, des Moine, I just
looked it up. Their certified enrollment this year is thirty
thousand students. So you know how you could have a
superintendent who is in a status where there's a question
about whether he's going to be enforced is a concerning thing.

(14:32):
And I wonder as this goes on, what we're going
to learn about why you know, he was being targeted
and what those charges came from. And that's to give
him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, everybody should
be presumed innocent. However, I think the larger point that
Drew was speaking to is, you know, the idea that
Trump very often says things that we know are just
patently false, and the rhetoric around rounding up immigrants has

(14:54):
been you know, we're going to get these criminals. But
I mean, if you're the PhD superintendent of a school
district with thirty thousand students, you are, you know, at he's.

Speaker 10 (15:03):
Presumed not to be a criminal. So I don't know
how that happens.

Speaker 11 (15:06):
And I don't know how if you are maga, how
you you know, jibe with what is being said. But
what is true, and that is that they're surrounding up
people who are not known to be criminals, which is
in direct contravention of what they're saying.

Speaker 10 (15:19):
But beyond that, I mean, I am interested.

Speaker 11 (15:20):
In knowing more because if there was an order of
removal from last year, I think, you know, we have
to be truthful about the fact that did not emanate
from this administration. And I'm interested in the information around
that because I think that context is important.

Speaker 14 (15:32):
Michael, Yeah, Roland, and I wasn't familiar with this case here,
so we'll see how this turns out. It sounds like
he was doing a good job here. He came in
on the student visa. We do know that overstaying visas
is a big problem as well, but there's a difference

(15:58):
between coming in to the country illegally and coming in
on the student visa and overstaying the visa. That happens
a lot, Okay, but they did come in legally, So
we'll see how this plays out. Hopefully it turns out
the best for him. But you hope that something. You

(16:20):
hope that he gets some type of the benefit of
the doubt or that is that there's some other details
that we don't know about that are in his favor,
because it sounds like he was doing a really good
job in his position.

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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Folks are five dayes away from a government shutdown. Donald
Trump keeps saying it's Democrats fault, saying they want healthcare
for quote illegal aliens. Democratic leader King Jeffreys is that's
an absolute lie. This is what he had to say
today in his news conference.

Speaker 20 (19:06):
One of the reasons why our fight for the American
people is so urgent right now is because over the
next few weeks, tens of millions of Americans are gonna
get notices indicating their premiums, copais, and deductibles are increasing
dramatically because of the Republican refusal to extend the tax
credits connected to the Affordable Care RAP. That idea that

(19:29):
we're fighting for the health care of the American people, period,
full stop. Our position has been very clear eight words,
cancel the cuts, lower the costs, save healthcare. And part
of that fight relates to the Affordable Care rap. Part
of that fight relates to dealing with the Republicans cut

(19:49):
to Medicate, the largest cut to mediciate in American history.
Part of that fight relates to preventing a five hundred
and thirty six billion dollar cut to Medicare that will
occur at the end of this year.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Because of what Republicans.

Speaker 20 (20:04):
Did in the One Big, Ugly Built if Congress doesn't act,
part of our fight relates to the fact that Republicans
are closing hospitals, nursing homes.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
And community based health clinics.

Speaker 20 (20:15):
All across the country, including in rural America right now.
And part of that fight also relates to the fact
that Republicans have effectively shut down spending on medical research
in the United States of America.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
People are gonna die.

Speaker 20 (20:30):
Cures for cancer and other terminal illnesses that were within
reach are now being abandoned. This is like an unprecedented
Republican assault on the healthcare of the American people, and
Democrats are standing on the side of the American people.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Joining us right now is Congresswoman Maryland Strickland from Washington State.
Lad to have her on the show. Good to see you.
This is again what's amazing to me. How is it Democrats' fault?
If Republicans control the White House, the House, and the Senate, it's.

Speaker 21 (21:07):
Not the fault of the Democrats. Roland and I remind
people of three things. The Republicans control the White House,
the US Senate, and the US House of Representatives.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
So if there is a government shutdown, it is all
on them.

Speaker 21 (21:20):
As Leader Jeffreys indicated in the clip that you just showed,
this is about lowering costs, saving healthcare, and stopping the cuts.
And fifteen million people will lose access to healthcare. And
it's not just happening in urban and suburban communities rural America.
Often the very people they represent will suffer from this.
So the big ugly bill, the center of it has

(21:42):
really been about healthcare. The Democrats are united and we
are fighting against this.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I saw something today.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
It was on Politico where a Republican in the Senate said,
why should Democrats negotiate on this if Russell Vought is
going to just blow up the federal government in a
deal anyway, and.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
And so go through all of this just to have
the Trump folks say we're still gonna do whatever hell
we want.

Speaker 21 (22:11):
Well, and I remind everyone too, Roland, They've already been
doing whatever the hell they want. They've already been firing
public servants and people who are doing everything they can
to provide services. And so mister Vak can threaten all
he wants, but I tell folks, they have already been
making cuts. They are going to continue to make to
make cuts, and it's really hard to trust them to

(22:31):
stay true to their word.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You know.

Speaker 21 (22:33):
I remember that when Joe Biden was president, Kevin McCarthy,
the House Speaker at the time Republican, actually went to
the Oval Office and negotiated with President Biden. President Trump
agreed to talk to Hakeem Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer, and then,
true to form, he got scared.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
He chickened out and he backed out.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
So we had Ashley Antiana on yesterday long time for
my Aid to Speaker Dancer Pelosi. She also was communication
director for Rice Pressure that Kamala Harris, and she said, listen,
if Democrats don't negotiate, she said, then the question is
do they have the stomach for a shutdown? So the

(23:15):
question is this here, what do y'all do? Y'all ether precars, eituation,
what do you do because you need sixty votes obviously
in the United States Senate? And so what do you
do when you have Trump who was blaming Democrats for everything?

Speaker 21 (23:31):
So I'd say a few things, ruland you know, here's
the question. Do you have the stomach for a shutdown
or do you have the stomach to let fifteen million
people get kicked off of healthcare, to have research canceled,
to have people die.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
That's the choice we're making here.

Speaker 21 (23:46):
And so as we go through this process, and I
will remind folks too, you know, the conversation about government
shutdown seems to have happen pretty frequently because we can't
seem to get a budget passed. I think the bigger
question as we step back from this particular episode two
is again, Democrats are fighting for the healthcare of the
American people. The Democrats are on the side of the

(24:06):
American people. And at the same time, big picture, why
do we lurch from this drama to every drama which
feels like every few months because the government might shut down.
It's irresponsible. But right now, the responsible thing to do
is for Donald Trump to say, Okay, I'm willing to
have a conversation. He's not willing to do that. Mike
Johnson is not willing to do that. And remember too,

(24:29):
you know, they're just doing this because they think that
we will blink and we are on the side of
the American people. We are standing by this idea that
people deserve healthcare. It's going to put the economy in
a really bad way, but more importantly, it's going to
hurt the American people and in some cases, sadly, Roland
people are going to die because Republican majority in the House,
the Senate, and the White House do not care about them.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
One of the things that we keep seeing and hearing
is that the general public, when you look at polling data,
and trust me, I get an ear fool from people
all across the country. They say they have no confidence
in democratic leadership. I'm telling you right now, the stuff
what they're saying about Senator Schumer, about Democratic Leader Jeffries,

(25:15):
about d n C DNC chair Ken Martin. Again, when
you look at the polling data where Democrats stand, and
that's juxtaposed to how Democrats are overperforming in these special elections,
and so.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean, I'm telling you right now that Charlie Kirk
Resolution well, Leader Jefferies, and three other other Democrats, including
three CBC members, voted for that pissed a lot of
people off.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
And so.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
What has to happen to break through for congressional Democrats
to communicate better to the public, for them to have
faith in what y'all are doing on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So I would say a few things.

Speaker 21 (25:58):
Congressional Democrats are communicating on a regular basis. And look
at how we get information, Roland. We get it in
so many different fractured places that it's hard to say, Oh,
I didn't see you on this show or this particular podcast.

Speaker 22 (26:12):
You know.

Speaker 21 (26:12):
Vice President Harris was on a show a few days
ago talking about her book. But one thing she said
is that there are a lot of Democrats up and
down the entire ticket, sending a message, sending a strong one,
and you may not see them on every medium that
you watch, but we are out there spreading the word.
And remember this, you know, when we talked about the
one big beautiful bill that Donald Trump tried to sell

(26:34):
to America as something good, the Democrats were united and
we were consistent in our messages. So now it's called
the big ugly Bill. So all we have to do
is continue to be forceful to send the message about
Democrats care about the American people. Health Care is a
very big issue for people because yes, it's about healthcare,
but it's about the economic well being of the American people.

(26:55):
So what are we going to do to break through
to people. We have to stay consistent, we have to
stay on a message, and we have to just keep
telling the American people because right now, I will tell
you a lot of people get information from fragmented places.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
And let me give you one example.

Speaker 21 (27:08):
I have a good friend at home and she said
to me, I don't see you on these high profile
talk shows. And I had to remind her that I
did a lot of press hits in different places. But
maybe she didn't see me. So the idea that the
Democrats are not out there is absolutely false. We are
out there, We are working hard, and I will say,
you know, the proof will be in the election in
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Questions for the pal and Drew you first.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Hi, Drew, Yes, Hi, how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 13 (27:36):
I think you know, I just wanted to say one
did you thinks you talked about communication, and I wanted
to really focus on the messaging. I hope that the
Democrats and Congress that we just stand really, really strong
and be clear, just like you said, about the fact

(27:59):
that not only are we standing on the side of
the American people, not only are we saying we're standing
up for health care, not only are we doing those things,
but I think we also need to flip the script
just a little.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Bit and speak to the fact that those.

Speaker 13 (28:13):
That are in power, those that were elected, never really
liked the government, and so why would you elect someone
to lead the government who do not care about how
the government can work for people, who do not care
about the people that they serve.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yet they're trying to lead in a.

Speaker 13 (28:31):
Way that will demolish our democracy and our rights and
our healthcare I think the key is to just be
strong and to say that forcefully. How are you all
communicating with each other and making sure that you're talking
points and the level of straight talk to the American people,

(28:52):
really making a difference between what the Republicans that are
in the white that are in charge stand for versus
what the Democrats stand for.

Speaker 21 (29:02):
Now, that's a really good question and a good point,
and there are a couple things we have to do.
Number One, we have to stay disciplined and on message,
and we have to use plain, simple language that the
American people understand. You all know that sometimes we are
here in Washington, d C. In this political bubble, the
Gateway bubble, and we use language as say things, and

(29:23):
we think that the average American person who's just trying
to live their life every day, go to work, raise
their kids, take care of their elders, are paying attention.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
We need clear, succinct, straight language.

Speaker 21 (29:33):
But I think you raise another point that's really good,
and I've been saying this for a while. We have
to define who the Republicans are, because they always define
who we are. But we cannot fall into the trap
of people saying too well, good, you're talking about them,
But what do you plan to do? And that's why
we're doing both. We're defining the GOP as the party
that bends the need to trump, that does not care

(29:54):
about the American people. And there's a clear contrast. Democrats
are fighting for your health care and economic wellbeing. The
Republicans want to tear it down. And I sometimes, you know,
I serve on two committees that have a lot of
bipartisan support, but there are times when I hear colleagues
across the aisle talk about how they hate government. Everything's bad,

(30:14):
they want to tear it down. And I want to
ask the question you asked. If you hate government so much,
then why did you run for office. Anytime we do anything,
we should want to make it better. No disagreement there.
But they want to burn down our institutions. They want
to create a climate of mistrust, and that's everything government,
the media, all of our institutions. They want to tear

(30:36):
them down so that people don't trust them. And when
people have mistrust, they're easily led to do the wrong thing,
and anything, for example, like an election, can be questioned.
So you're absolutely one hundred percent correct. We have to
define them clearly and succinctly, and again contrast that with
the fact that the Democrats are fighting for the American people.
We are fighting for your healthcare, and we're fighting for

(30:57):
democracy and your economic well being.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Michael I represented Strickland, Thanks for coming on today. So
when we look at the potential for a government shut down,
and I am for shutting this stuff down, how do
Democrats negotiate bringing opening the government back up? The reason

(31:24):
why I say that is Supreme Court just ruled today
that Trump can freeze another four billion dollars in foreign aid,
but it was already appropriated by Congress. So if Democrats
can negotiate something with Republicans reducing health care cuts, saving medicaid,

(31:46):
things of this nature, and we know that we need
sixty votes in the Senate, which means Republicans need some
Democratic votes, what type of guarantees do we have that
Trump won't renig on that? What back in another predicament?

Speaker 21 (32:02):
I mean, that's the inherent problem, isn't it. We can't
trust Donald Trump to do the right thing. He doesn't
obey the rule of law, he doesn't care about the
checks and balances. And so again we come back to
what we stand towards Democrats. We want to stop the cuts,
we want to lower costs, we want to save healthcare.
Those three principles are not going to change. I also

(32:24):
want to point out too that whenever there's a discussion
about shutting government down, unfortunately it turns into this it's
their fault.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's their fault.

Speaker 21 (32:33):
But at this stage in the game, the Republicans have
only themselves to blame. They control the White House, the
US Senate, and the US House of Representatives. They refuse
to come to the table to have a conversation. Donald
Trump said yes, then he said no. So as far
as we're concerned, they get to take full credit for
any shutdown because they, in fact are the ones who
will cause it.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Matt Hart, thank you, Matt. You keep hitting your mute button. Bro,
It's not that hard, even for Longhorn supporter.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Dang.

Speaker 11 (33:11):
Of course, anything on there's gonna be a low blow there, Unnessses.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's a second time you've done it in thirty minutes.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
In any event, Congresswoman, I'm focused on the task in hand.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, I'm glad you hit that button. So if we
can hear your question, you got it.

Speaker 11 (33:26):
My question is this, what are you hearing in your
office from your constituents. What are your compatriots hearing from
their constituents about the willingness to let this be shut
down as compared to the concern about the premiums? And
the reason I ask is I think Roland said at
the top of the segment, I think there's a sentiment
out there that a lot of people believe Democrats are
just feckless, you're weak, right, So to me, it's clearly

(33:47):
attributed to the Republicans. But I would suspect there's a
concern about it being attributed to y'all, because that's what
they're going to do, is spin it and say it's
your fault.

Speaker 10 (33:55):
So what are constituents.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
Telling you and what are you hearing from your fellow
reps from their constituents about their concern about that.

Speaker 21 (34:02):
So I was just in the district for a week
and I visited churches, I visited with senior centers and
different groups of people, and I would say, you know,
not surprisingly, people are worried about health care, they're worried
about social security, and they're worried about democracy in general.
But here's the other thing that I'm hearing from Democrats.
They want us to stand up and fight. And I've

(34:25):
even heard from a handful of employees who were saying, look,
you know, I'm lucky I have this job.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I got some savings.

Speaker 21 (34:32):
If we need to shut it down, go The American
people want to see us fight for them Democrats anyway,
and so I think that we.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Have to fight.

Speaker 21 (34:40):
We have to show that we have the courage to
do this and we are on the right side of everything.
We are willing to fight for the American people and
their health care. And what I'm hearing at home is
absolutely worries about financial stability and health care, but also
the Democratic base wanting to see a fight.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, they do want to see that. And I could
just tell you that. You know what what bother some
people is that when you look at the folks like
Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, Congress Wan and Alexandria Alexandria Occasio Cortes
and others constantly being attacked and in fact, UH, the

(35:17):
twice impeached, convicted fellow in chief UH said this from
the Oval office continue his constant attacks on women of color,
UH and also calling them a low I q uh
roll roll. What the idiots said, y'all from the Oval office.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
All right, it's the clip.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
It's the clip from the Oval office where he was
the question was The question was asked about congress Woman
Jasmine Crockett uh in Congress wan Ilhan Omar.

Speaker 23 (35:52):
Jas Remember what I said, is sheer relation to the
late great Davy Crockett.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I don't think something Crockett.

Speaker 23 (36:01):
Let me tell you before you even ask. She's a
very low IQ person. I mean, if we ever had
to pass an aptitude desk, that's so one should take one,
because she shouldn't have.

Speaker 22 (36:12):
Been the crowd.

Speaker 23 (36:12):
So I have no idea what you're going to but
I don't think we.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Should waste her time.

Speaker 23 (36:15):
This is a low IQ person who I can't even
believe is a congress person. Between her and ilman Omar
and the group, you know, I met the head of Somalia.

Speaker 19 (36:27):
Did you know that?

Speaker 23 (36:28):
And I suggested that maybe he'd like to take her back,
and he didn't.

Speaker 24 (36:31):
He said, I don't want her.

Speaker 23 (36:33):
Okay, what else do you want to Let's hear what
Let's hear what Craft said.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Compared ice rates to slave patrol.

Speaker 25 (36:42):
I want to ask them to slave to slave patrol.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I want to ask you if you think that those
consequences for members of Congress to made these types of comparisons.

Speaker 8 (36:50):
Yeah, well, I think she's.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Gone over the line again. That's that's what he constantly does.
He did the same thing last time.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And he's actually intimidated by black women and women of color.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
That is absolutely true.

Speaker 21 (37:06):
And Donald Trump's stupid ass has a lot of nerve
calling somebody low iq or incapable of being there. People
are elected to Congress because the people they represent wat
them there. You're talking about educated women who are smart
and unapologetic, and Donald Trump is intimidated by people who
are smarter than him, which makes up a blushed proportion
of people in the country.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
But also too, it's intimidated by strong women.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
All right, then, Coles MoMA, Strictlyn, We appreciate it, look
forward to having you back.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Rolan, nice to see you again, Blackwise, Thanks a lot. Folks,
got to go to break.

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Earlier this week, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson Man he went
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Speaker 2 (40:57):
So what's to deal with.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
All this crazy to reign right wingers and their constant
attacks on black women and their looks. You've got crazy derange.
Laura Lumer, who is one of a Donald Trump, a
close aid Laura Lumer. Y'all is let me show me

(41:18):
and listen. I need to prepare everybody for watching. I
know today it's September twenty sixth I know Halloween is
a month away. It's a month away, but I just
need you to prepare yourselves. This is a living witch,
thirty two year old Laura Lumer. That's Laura Lumer. She's

(41:42):
thirty two. As a phrase we have in Texas called
roadehard hung up with that's Laura Lumer. Now this is
conswoman jas mc Crockett. She forty four. That's forty four,
that's thirty two. That's thirty two. That's forty four. LAYD

(42:04):
Lewis should not be calling anybody, I mean anybody ugly.
I mean just I'm just saying, well, Congression back call
because it's happening this week, c B C F ALC.
And at one of these forms kinds woman Crockett, she
had a few words to say, I know that so
they think.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
That I am, you know, younger than I am.

Speaker 11 (42:27):
But just just so y'all know, I am twelve years
older than Laura Lover.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
There is no talking about.

Speaker 13 (42:49):
Say that, right right.

Speaker 31 (42:55):
I say.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Crockery trashing her, calling her ghetto, all this sort of
stuff like that, Come on, put up. It hurts my
heart that we have ghetto black bitches who hate America
serving in Congress.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And so, but this is whom Lumer is.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean, she's always uh putting this stuff out there,
she's always trashing people. But it's also that uh that
that skinny no hYP no butt white woman, Megan Kelly,
who did the exact same thing. And so Megan Kelly
out there trashing dogging folks and so uh, she was
critical of Jamil Hill and and all this sort of

(43:42):
stuff like that, and Jamail of course responded, uh, and
so again this is what you have going on.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So Megan Kelly your friend. Let me see this here.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I think this was somebody posted this. Okay, I think
all right, so just watch this again. This is the
stupid stuff you see.

Speaker 32 (43:56):
Gonna go ahead, A code of mascara would be your friend.
I'm just going to tell this to you woman, to
women on television, you need a little work, and you'd
have them back off the camera a little bit because
you are not attractive enough to have that.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Extreme close up.

Speaker 32 (44:09):
Push away your laptop, Jamil, and add a filter or two. Honestly, like,
we actually don't use any on this show, because I
do put on makeup so I look presentable. But you
need work because you can't both be ugly on the
outside and the inside.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
You need to choose one.

Speaker 30 (44:23):
Okay, worry about then what the Jamel Hills saying?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
You got more impressive things to worry about.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Than what's coming out of my mouth.

Speaker 30 (44:38):
According to Don Living, So if I were you, I
deal with that and worry less about what I'm wearing,
whether worry less about what foundation number I'm using, if
I'm using Mac products of fancy beauty, I wouldn't worry
about that. I worry about my house because we good
over here.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
And finally, let me leave you with this in case.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
It an if y'all locked audio, I need y'all to
come on to be on this place.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay. So this was so she was.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Responding to something Don Lemon said. So again, so let
me roll it back, so y'all can hear the full context. Please,
audio all the way up so people can hear.

Speaker 14 (45:19):
Being across the room, it's weird, old on one a second.

Speaker 32 (45:21):
Here we go on the outside and the inside.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
You need to choose one, okay, crop.

Speaker 22 (45:27):
Being across the room, it's weird.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
Mean.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
So what happened with that was Don Lemon said that
they were some event and Megan Kelly's husband kept looking
at Don Lemmon's husband across the room.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
That's what he said. There, Kevilyn played.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
The rest got more president, all right, So I was
so so Jamel just went off on her Drew, but
his was crazy. Okay again Megan Kelly stopping. Okay, boo,
you look the people who like you, you baby, you
waste up, So just stop, just stop. You ain't attractive,

(46:05):
You ain't You ain't got all of them. See, but
this is what they do. So Trump wants to diminish
the intellect of black women. And then you have these
white women Megan Kelly, Laura Luma, others who want to
now detract and criticize the looks of black women. It's
all about denigrating black women. Uh, the same way the

(46:27):
Republicans wanted to old Michelle Obama she or she looks
like an ape, all.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's them. That's what they do. So they don't want
to have a substantive conversation. And it's childish and is petty.
And this is why Megan Kelly is a disgraceful, little
mean girl. And see, this is why she thinks Santa
was white. This is why she didn't understand blackface. Because again,

(46:55):
these are the people. That's what they do. They don't
want to have a substant conversation. And I'm sorry, okay,
coswond and Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Is a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Megan I guess she's a lawyer. They claim she's a lawyer,
and I guess she failed at being a lawyer that
she went into television. I don't know what the hell
was happening there, Laura Lum. I have no idea what
that Looney Tunes is all about, but this is what
they do. They want to detegrate the intellect and the
looks of black women and women of color.

Speaker 13 (47:23):
So I took my glasses of because I am about
twenty years older than Laura Lumer and I still look
better than she does. So I had to have her back,
but I need to be able to see it, and
we put her glasses back off. But let's be clear,
I find it very rich when the Republicans Maga or

(47:44):
whatever we want to call them, on the other side
talk about civility, talk about how we need to tone
the temperatures, and talk about how the folks on the
left are eager to go after But it seems to
me that this comes from the very top. This come from,
as you said, the convicted felon that's occupying the White House.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
It comes from the very top.

Speaker 13 (48:07):
Because what I know for sure, they are not only intimidated,
but they are all so afraid of the greatness that
not only black women bring to the table. But if
and when we lead, we speak clearly, We come with
all intelligence, We are ready to work and to serve.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
So here is the key. When you hear what.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
The Laura Luhmans and Laura Lumer and the Meghan Kelly's
have to say, what you hear is the jealousy. What
you hear is the incompetence on their own part. A
lot of times, what they're trying to do is try
to detegrate who black women and black people are because
they have nothing else to stand on. I am so

(48:55):
proud of what Jasmine Crockett and what most from Michelle
Obama jor read all of us Katunji Brown, what they
are doing and what they represent, including Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
The key here is this.

Speaker 13 (49:09):
I think a lot of this conversation is busy talk.
I forgot which one of my co panelists talked about this.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
This is all about a distraction.

Speaker 13 (49:19):
It's trying to keep us from the understanding what's happening
with the Epstein file. It's trying to keep us from
understanding what's happening as they take away our health care
it's trying to keep us from understanding and knowing what's
taking place.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
That's going to harm us in the future.

Speaker 13 (49:33):
It is taken away that they are really there for
the rich and not caring about the rule America, because
what they really want, what the magas want, what the
sick of fits want, is they want to believe that
anything that we receive is because something.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Was handed to us.

Speaker 13 (49:49):
But truth of the matter is we work harder, we're smarter,
and we get things done.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
That is the problem here.

Speaker 13 (49:56):
We need to make sure that we say on message
and understand that we expose what's happening and continue to
talk about what's real as black people, talking about our
economic status, talking about our economic wealth, talking about what's right,
talking about our voting rights, talking about our healthcare, talking
about our housing. I don't have time, and I know

(50:19):
that Jameel Hill and Jasmine and everyone feels like they
need to respond, But honestly, we need to shake the
dust from our feet and keep on stepping.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
But here's reality, Matt and I was talking to a
couple of Republicans about this. Here the Republicans actually are
scared of Jasmin Crockett. Literally literally, the reason they cannot.
I mean the quote was my side hates Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Because she's effective.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
And see this is see you have to return fire
with fire.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
So it's like Trump, you want to give nicknames, you
want to see it here and do this here. Guess
what you got to hit him back with the exact
same thing. And so I'm like, straight, Jamail had all
all the smoke for making Kelly, and I'm like I
was down with it one hundred percent. This is what
you have to do, uh to say, hey y'all, y'all
want to swing, let's wing.

Speaker 10 (51:16):
Well, you're right.

Speaker 11 (51:17):
I just want to say I noticed that I think
the control room was playing a video and the audio
wasn't up, So it sounds like they're muting issues all
around tonight.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
No no, no, no, no, no, you know you king,
you the king of muty issues.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
So you don't want to keep bringing that up.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
I just heard you asking for audio, which means it
was muted.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
No no, no, actually no, no, that's not actually what happened.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Now, first on, let's be factual.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Here we're playing the video video, No no, no, the
video was playing, and then with the video there was
two videos on there on that Twitter feed and one
stopped and one started. So when one stopped, audio hold
it down.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
So but your.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Ass Okay, the mute, but you might be read before
you get cut. All right, go ahead, you want you
want brought your problems back up.

Speaker 11 (52:06):
Look, I ain't bring up no problems. Brother, I just
mentioned God. Don't like, really.

Speaker 10 (52:10):
Sweep around your own front door before you try to God.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
God, don't think.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
God don't like lovely or long horns, ask Ohio State.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Oh Lord, here's the thing, here's the thing. I think
you're right.

Speaker 11 (52:21):
And I think the thing about Jasmine Crockett is she's
better at their game than they are. You're exactly right.
She's effective, she's sophisticated, she's brilliant, but she's very good
at the sound bites. And I'll tell you you know,
I think we live sometimes all the time now in
a very unserious world. I think we should be, you know,
repulsed by the fact that a lot of our politicians.

Speaker 10 (52:41):
Are always seeking sound bites.

Speaker 11 (52:42):
However, I think strategically right now, it's necessary to have
somebody who's an effective communicator for the pushback, and Jasmine
Crockett is the exemplar of that. So, yes, you're exactly right,
they are afraid. But I actually want to address a
different element of this that I haven't heard addressed yet.
You know what really especially bothers me about the Laura
Lumer comments is the fact that white people love to

(53:04):
cosplay with anything black or what they think is urban
or hip hop all the time until they need to
reclaim whiteness because they think that gives them some superiority.

Speaker 10 (53:14):
That isn't every white person, of course, but we see
that all the time.

Speaker 11 (53:17):
You look at you know, Russell Simmons comments from years
ago about seventy percent of hip hop being bought by
white people. Anecdotally, that is true. You know, young white
people all the time will tell you about how they
listen to this record, how NWA was so important to
them back in the nineties or whatever. But then when
it becomes advantageous to distance themselves from blackness, they start

(53:37):
to denegrate it. And that's exactly what you see Laura
Lumer doing. I don't know her background, but that's I
guarantee you she's listened to hip hop records and talked
about how.

Speaker 10 (53:46):
She likes some rapper.

Speaker 11 (53:47):
But then when it becomes advantageous, to tear down a
black person. It's now calling them ghetto and black and
all these things that you would otherwise be embracing.

Speaker 10 (53:54):
And I think that's an insidious thing.

Speaker 11 (53:55):
And I think it is proof that often white people
are going to display when it's advantageous and then you know,
reclaim their whiteness when they need to be back on
a pedestal. And that's what I saw when I when
I first heard those tweets, that just really infuriated me.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, and you also really shouldn't call people ugly when
you literally went from this to this, Like I warned people, Michael,
I gave them a trigger warning.

Speaker 12 (54:27):
Yeah wow wow, Well maybe you know, maybe she's dressing
up for Halloween early.

Speaker 14 (54:37):
I don't know, but only in this crazy administration.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
With somebody posted this here. My little granddaughter just won't
take off her long lumer costume.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Isn't she precious? Okay? That was fun? I got I
got bit. That was fun, Michael, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
I was saying, yeah, it's.

Speaker 14 (54:57):
Yeah, you know, people, she look in the mirror first
before they call somebody ugly. But you know, to match point, yes,
you have Republicans, many of them who fear jasmine Crockett.
Jasmine Crockett is brilliant. She looks younger than she is.
We know white women don't age very well. I'm gonna

(55:20):
go ahead and say it. It just we know a
lot of times they don't. That's just the truth. That's
just the truth. But also, this is the same antipathy
that Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
Had for black women as well.

Speaker 14 (55:36):
Okay, and you know they the reason why so many
of them from the Trump administration were there for Charlie
Kirk's funeral is because they think the same way he does.
They had Hey, black people, just like Charlie Kirk. He
did black people. All you have to do is go
look at the anti black comments Charlie Kirk made insulting
the intelligence. So black women like Michelle Obama and Joyanne Reed,

(56:01):
the late represented Sheila Jackson Lee, et cetera, saying they
don't have the brain processing power, et cetera. And also
the same people, this is why they hate Kamala Harris
because they know she's Kamala Harris is more intelligent than
any of them, and it's better at politics, et cetera.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
So this is what we're dealing with. This is why
elections have consequences. Okay, the reason.

Speaker 14 (56:26):
Why we're dealing with all this shit that we're dealing
with right now is more people voting for Donald Trump
on the ballot.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
Than Kamala Harris on the same ballot.

Speaker 14 (56:34):
More people showed up to vote for him, and now
he's going after everybody, even the people who voted for him.
In Arkansas, the farmers are calling for a bailout. Arkansas
voted Donald Trump won Arkansas bout thirty points in twenty
twenty four, and the farmers are crying that they're about
to lose their farms and things like this because of
the tariffs, et cetera. They thought he was their savior,

(56:57):
but you know this is the mother death coat that
you're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Okay, I'm just gonna show one more before I go,
and I'm just gonna leave it.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I'm just gonna leave it there.

Speaker 24 (57:08):
Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh what happened?

Speaker 8 (57:24):
Poor thing.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I had some art. I'm just gonna go to break down.
I'll be back.

Speaker 26 (57:46):
They said the quiet part out loud. Black votes are
a threat, so they erased them. After the Supreme Court
got it the Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican
legislatures moved fast. New voter id laws, place shutdowns, purges
of black voters from the roles. Trump's Justice Department didn't
stop it. They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ

(58:10):
backed Ohio's voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased
Black voters. Their goal erase black votes and political power. Yeah,
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African Americans and the issues that matter to our community.

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Speaker 1 (59:16):
Hey, I'm Malcolm Lee, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
He's really getting pissed off and tired of these people
who keep trying him when it comes to crime in
Chicago and how they have been successful at Louren crime.
And when I say he went off last week on
some folks, he went off and you know what he
should have.

Speaker 33 (01:00:04):
Okay, let me just start with this. How about this.

Speaker 34 (01:00:06):
In nineteen seventy four, there were nine hundred and seventy murders. Okay,
nineteen ninety five there were eight hundred and twenty eight murders.
Twenty sixteen, seven hundred and seventy eight murders, twenty twenty one,
eight hundred and five murders.

Speaker 33 (01:00:26):
This has been a.

Speaker 34 (01:00:28):
Problem in this city for a very long time now,
my Deputy Mayor Gatewood, this is the topic and the
work every single day to drive violence down.

Speaker 22 (01:00:41):
In the city of Chicago.

Speaker 34 (01:00:43):
So when you talk about what we're offering, we're offering
in a better pathway so that we don't have nine
hundred and seventy people murdered in our city every single year.

Speaker 33 (01:00:50):
Now, one is one too many.

Speaker 34 (01:00:52):
But you're not going to convince me that the people
of Chicago only deserve law enforcement. I get so sick
and tired of people believing that the only thing that
black and brown and poor people get to get in
this city are badges. People want jobs. That's why We've
increased the ability for young people to have jobs in
this city. People want health care and behavior of mental

(01:01:13):
health care. That's why they asked me. That's why we've
expanded it. People want to be able to afford to
live in this city. That's why I'm building more affordable units.

Speaker 33 (01:01:23):
People want justice if.

Speaker 34 (01:01:25):
They do get wrapped up into this spiral of despair
in this city. It's why we're actually solving cases, whether
it's CVI workers, making sure that we're avoiding retaliation in
this city. I get so sick and tired of people
in this country and in this city that believes that
the only thing that you can offer black people, in

(01:01:46):
poor people is jails, incarcerations, incarceration, and police officers. Doctor
King said this right here in Chicago, the National Conference
on New Politics.

Speaker 33 (01:01:58):
What did he say?

Speaker 34 (01:01:59):
He said, military is a sickness. I am trying to
eradicate the sickness from this city and from this country
to offer. Now listen, Mark, I get to answer my question.
Now you've asked it. No, Mark, I've answered my questions.
Of course they are. But you're not going to be
able to avoid that if we don't do the things
that actually work. We are not split on this issue.

(01:02:22):
The fact of the matter is, no one has asked
me to send federal troops into this city to make
it safe. It has never come up. It never came
up during the campaign, it's never come up in the
first two years. The fact of the matter is, we
are driving violence down in this city, and we're using
every single resource that's available to us. Jails and incarceration

(01:02:42):
and law enforcement is a sickness that has not led
to safe communities. I'm going to work hard every single
day to protect the people who are caught up in
violence in this city. Guess why. You want to know why,
because the vast majority of them look like me. This
president has never asked a very simple question to me, Brandon.

Speaker 33 (01:03:01):
Scott, Barbara Lee, Randa Woodman.

Speaker 34 (01:03:05):
He doesn't talk to black mayors about what it's like
to live in communities that have been disinvested in. So, no,
we're not going to succumb to the sickness and the
evil that doctor Keene warned us about a generation ago.

Speaker 33 (01:03:17):
It didn't work in nineteen.

Speaker 34 (01:03:21):
What was at sixty seventy four, when nine hundred and
shundred people were being killed. It didn't work in the
nineties where no one said a mumbling word about how
many people were losing their lives because of bolence in
this city. And now we're actually doing the work that's working.
Now all of a sudden, abody has these ideas.

Speaker 33 (01:03:38):
They've shown up. This is a group project.

Speaker 34 (01:03:39):
But we're not going to allow the President of United
States of America or any of his ilk look at
the work that we're doing across this country. And then
now we're experiencing some level of reprieve and now he
wants to put his name on our paper. No, not
going to tolerate it. It's a sickness and we're going
to eradicate it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
This is the response that we should be seeing. And
I'm with Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. When you have done
the work, when you have put in the long work.
He was being ripped his first two years for the
crime and other problems, and so all of a sudden
it's going down same. He mentioned Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott,
He mentioned these other black mayors, and they have been

(01:04:22):
taking the heat from people in the city or people outside.
And that's exactly the response that he should be given.
And so the reality of Michael when these reporters asked
these questions, I got no problem with him going off
on him because what they're doing is working, and to
act like it's not. It's also a shame because if
you're going to criticize somebody when things are bad, will

(01:04:46):
you damn well better give them the credit when things
are getting better.

Speaker 14 (01:04:52):
Absolutely, give them the credit when things are given are
getting better, and advocate for them to have more resources
to continue to improve people's lives.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Bring down crime. Okay, And they applaud him from what
he just said.

Speaker 14 (01:05:08):
Also, I encouraged people to look at his press conference
from September second, twenty twenty five, because he talked about
how also the Trump administration, the President's budget bill, the
Big Assly Bill, cut four hundred and sixty eight million
dollars from alcohol, tobacco and firearms ATF. And we know

(01:05:30):
the ATF was working along with local law enforcement there in.

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
Chicago to track down illegal guns.

Speaker 14 (01:05:36):
And one of the things President of One of the
things Mayor Brandon Johnson talked about is how the Chicago
Police Department has taken twenty four thousand guns off of
the street since he took office, and he says sixty
percent of those guns recovered came from outside of Illinois,
many of them from Red states, Mississippi, Indiana, other states

(01:06:00):
like that. So one of the things that happens, and
I know you've talked about it here in the show Roland,
you have lax laws and lacks gun laws in red states,
and illegal guns flow into Illinois, flowing to Chicago, and
then Chicago gets the blame for it. So he's done
a magnificent job. Yes, there's still work to do, but

(01:06:22):
the Trump but how the Trump administration and many white
people see us, and some of them are all MSNBC,
they only want they only see us as needed to
be policed, as opposed to invested in and protected.

Speaker 8 (01:06:37):
So he needs to keep it up and he needs
more help, Drew.

Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
You know, I.

Speaker 13 (01:06:44):
Think one of the things I was thinking about Brandon Mayor.
Brandan said it so wonderfully. I've always wanted to figure out,
how do you say this? But he said that black
and brown people, or this administration or others feel like black.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
And brown people only deserve badges.

Speaker 13 (01:07:02):
And when you look at well, I think you said
the big ugly Bill or whatever we're calling it. I
don't even know why we're trying to name rename it.
This particular bill has cut community block grants. What are
community block rens?

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
What are they use?

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
The community development block grands. They are used to create
affordable housing. They're used to be able to build community infrastructure.
They're used for public services like job training and youth
drive training. They're used for neighborhood revitalization. All the things
that Mayor Brandon is talking about and all of the
mayors around this country, that is what is needed, providing

(01:07:39):
the services to help lift the communities out of poverty.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I remember way back.

Speaker 13 (01:07:46):
Growing up in Birmingham, Alabama, where we used to have
the youth job training program every year. There was something
for the youth to do in the summer to get
a skill, to earn money, and to stay office.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
At the end of the day, these.

Speaker 13 (01:08:02):
Mayors are working with the resources that they have and
instead of this convicted felon that's in the White House
coming and saying, hey, let's do more to make the
community safe by providing opportunities, they feel like sending badges
and military. Send the military in order to be able
to impact and really continue to demolish the communities that

(01:08:24):
we have so I applaud him for being able to
stand up and speak truth or power all of these cities.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
What they need.

Speaker 13 (01:08:31):
Are resources in order to support those who are in need.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Listen, it makes all the sense to me, Matt, And
I just think that this is how you just have
to react. I think, listen, you cannot caw tal, you
cannot bow down, you cannot bend. And when you are
doing the work, hey man, talk your shit.

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
Women lie, numbers don't lie.

Speaker 11 (01:08:57):
And I think data is the way to approach you,
because I think when you come out and you delineate
exactly what those numbers were, that dispels any miss. And
we've talked about this on this show many many times,
but here's the thing. Part of this Republican playbook right
now is a disregard for the truth, because the truth
doesn't matter if all you're trying to advance is your narrative.

(01:09:18):
So the only way to push you back against that
is to say, here's what's actually happening, here's why what
they're feeding you is garbage, and here's why what we're
doing is working.

Speaker 10 (01:09:27):
And I'm glad that he took this stance.

Speaker 11 (01:09:28):
But another thing I'm very glad about is I'm glad
that he is passionate because I think it's important. A
lot of times black people and elevated spaces can be
concerned about looking too passionate because of all the unwritten
rules and microaggressions and bs.

Speaker 10 (01:09:44):
That we have to deal with.

Speaker 11 (01:09:45):
And I like that he was unbridled and he said, no,
you asked me a question, I'm going to answer it.
I think that's important because I think what we're seeing
is platent dishonesty. And I think we're seeing, you know,
an administration, the Trump administration, and Republicans around the country
who are echoing the same kind of sentiments, who are
just saying things.

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
That are patently false and easily disproven.

Speaker 11 (01:10:03):
And I'm glad that he stood on business so to speak,
as it relates to the numbers and how the trend
is going down. And I think it's really important because
we saw that same thing in DC, right. I mean,
you just point and say crimes running rampid here, but
the data shows that that's not actually the case. And
I think there needs to be a continued onslaught of
you are lying. And here's how I can show that
you're lying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, and you got to actually say you, Lyne, stop
lying to me. I don't think you can dance around
this thing. You can just sort of, you know, use
other certain No, no, no, no, you got to call
this thing what it is, and that to me is
just how I see it. And I just think too

(01:10:44):
many people are not trying to do that. All y'all
gotta go to break. We come back, Ellie, miss till
we talk about how Donald Trump and MAGA they want
to pretty much gut the Fair Housing Act, that third
piece of civil rights legislation from the nineteen sixties. I
had that conversation. Next right here, Rolling Unfiltered on the
Black Shar Network.

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That I got it.

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You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Fourth nineteen sixty eight, Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior
was assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee. The next day, President Lyning
and Baines Johnson sent a letter to the House saying
it is time that they passed the bill doctor King
gave his life for Many people don't understand is that
the Fair Housing Act or the Civil Rights Act in

(01:13:38):
nineteen sixty eight. It's often the least talked about of
the three civil rights bills that were signed in the
nineteen sixties, the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four,
the Vutans Act in nineteen sixty five, and the Fair
Housing Act of nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Now, after those.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
First two bills were passed, what happened was Republicans and
Democrats in the North, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
They joined forces.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Republicans they joined forced with those other Democrats in the
South because they didn't want black people live in their neighborhoods.
They said, okay, fine, you know, public accommodation were good,
voting were good. We ain't trying to have y'all live
in our neighborhoods. So you know what happened that was
a filibuster in the United States Senate. It was black
Republican Edward brook from Massachusetts who actually left the effort

(01:14:25):
to stop the filibuster in the United States Senate, but
it was still being uphill in the House. After doctor
King was killed, LBJ said it's time to pass this bill.
Nine days later it was signed in to law. This
is what LBJ said in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 36 (01:14:46):
Even while President Johnson talked to Chancellor Klaus about America's
responsibility in a time of crisis and challenge. Word came
from Capitol Hill that Congress had passed and sent to
the White House the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty eight.
Included in the measure was a landmark open housing bill, which,
when fully effective, would forbid discrimination and approximately eighty percent

(01:15:10):
of all housing offered for rent or for sale in
the United States.

Speaker 19 (01:15:26):
I do not exaggerate when I say that the proudest
moments of my presidency have been times such as this,
when I have signed into law the promises of a century.
I shall never forget that. It is more than one
hundred years ago when Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

(01:15:52):
But it was a proclamation, it was not a fact.
And in the Civil Rights Act of nineteen six sixty four,
we affirmed through law that men equal under God are
also equal when they seek a job, when they go

(01:16:12):
to get a meal in a restaurant, or when they
seek lodging for the night in any state in the Union.
And now the Negro families no longer suffer the humiliation
are being turned away because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Of their race.

Speaker 19 (01:16:31):
In the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty five, we
affirmed through law for every citizen in this land the
most basic right of democracy, the right of a citizen
to vote an election in his country. In the five
states where the Act had its greater impact, Negro voter

(01:16:53):
registration has already more than doubled. Now with this bill,
the voice of justice speaks again. It proclaims that fair
housing for all all human beings who live in this

(01:17:17):
country is now a part of the American way of life.
We all know that the roots of injustice run deep,
but violence cannot redress a solitary wrong, our remedy a

(01:17:37):
single unfairness, and we just must put our shoulders together
and put us stop to both. The time is here.
Action must be now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Well, Donald Trump and MAGA on a gut that very act.
I talked with Ellie Mischiel, Justice correspondent with the Nation
this week Actiretional Back Caucus Foundation ALC about this very issue.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Here is our conversation. Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Talking the last eight months about how MACGA wants to
defund Black America. They're going after every single infrastruction in
Black America. Say at the Downful America began with the
Civil Rights Act. Charlie Kirk often talked about, Oh how
is a massive mistake. So both need to understand what
that play here. They want to get rid of civil
rights protection.

Speaker 25 (01:18:35):
It's a three legged stool, right, It's a three legged
stool to build social, racial, and economic quality in this country.
And the three pillars are the sixty four Civil Rights Act,
the Voting Rights Act of sixty five, and the Fair
Housing Act in nineteen sixty eight. And fair Housing Act,
it's less harold and lets people know about it less,
fewer people is talking about It's not even.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Call it civier right tight nineteen sixty eight are just
called a fair Housing Act.

Speaker 25 (01:18:58):
It is one of the three most important the legislation
has ever passed. Why because keeping black people from living
where we want to live is the foundation of every
system of racial oppression ever invented. Go think about the
word apartheid. What does that actually mean. It means setting
apart The first law of apartheid is that you can't
live around white people.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Right.

Speaker 25 (01:19:17):
The first law of American white oppression is that you
can't live around white people, right, that you have to
keep the races separated you. So one of the reasons
why the harising access is so important is because there
was no such thing as desegregation. There is no such
thing as equality racial or social if you don't have fair,
equal access to housing rights. And that is the thing

(01:19:39):
that Trump has been quietly, it turns out, taking away.
Now I'm surprised about this because I know you I
don't know how many of your listeners know. I know, no,
you know, Trump and the slumlord Daddy got sued for
violating the Fair Housing ADA in nineteen seventy three. They
got sued, They had settled the DOJ. They admitted no
gel you know how Trump does these things, but this
is what they got sued for. So I thought that

(01:20:01):
you know, now that he has all this power on
these white supremacists are are bending to as well. That
would be the first kind of frontal attack on this
law that got him sued. He hasn't done it frontally.
He hasn't done it loudly, he hasn't done it the
usual Trump way. He's being doing it quietly, under the scenes,
behind the scenes. But there was an explosive report from
the New York Times that shows that the staff of

(01:20:22):
the HUD of Housing and Urban Development that have been
reduced by sixty five percent the lawyers whose job it
is to investigate housing discrimination and sue slumlords like Donald
Trump's father, they have been reduced from twenty two lawyers
to six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Well, he is the issue with dealing with Ellie. You
get a black HUD secretary.

Speaker 25 (01:20:41):
You know how Democrats always like to make the Department
of Defense like the place to rehire a Republican. Republicans
always like to make HUD the place where they hire
one black folk. They had Ben Carson running the HUD department.
Ben Carson, who was a doctor right was running HUD.
Are you kidding me? Because it's the black jobs them.
But this black HUD secretary, he's no better than any
other the white supremacist in the administration. He is willing

(01:21:03):
to undermine and destroy the Fair Housing Act. The HUD
usually issues thirty five challenges over housing discrimination a year.
So far in the Trump administration has been four.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
So I had Pro Public bid, they had a report
and I had them on the show where that was
a case out of Texas where they had the evidence
that this white folks as HOA discriminating as black people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
What does Trump do? They drop the case.

Speaker 25 (01:21:29):
Absolutely and that they've been doing it the head of
the Deputy under secretary, the person that the Department of
Justice is supposed to making these suits. He wrote two memos,
and one of the memos he said he said that
he wasn't going to pursue tenuous theories of racial discrimination anymore.
One of those tenuis theories that he highlighted was racial
discrimination and housing appraisal. No, Roland, you own your home.

(01:21:51):
I own my home. If you were talking to a
black person who owned their home who was about to
sell it, what's the first thing you would say, Do
not let a white appraiser plays your home. It's the
first thing you would tell them. Read And if it's
gonna be a white appraiser, you'd be like, if you's
gonna be a white that have a white family take
down all your black black art. Make sure a white
family is standing in for you, because we know that

(01:22:12):
white people will undervalue our homes. And again that's just
not like word of mouth talking. The Brookering the Brookings
Institute did a study on this. They found that black
owned homes and blacks neighborhoods were undervalued by twenty percent.
And this cost and this goes to your point about
the economic attack on our community from this administration. Racist
home appraisals alone cost our community one hundred and sixty

(01:22:36):
two billion dollars. And that's from the Brookings Institute. I'm
not with the math, but.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
As I a the Booking Institute that was a major
piece under Biden Harrish, and I remember when I was
on Patrick Davis podcast and I raise that issue and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Then he was like, well, like what are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (01:22:52):
I said, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I said, they studied forty seven million, forty seven million
transactions and look at the census track, compared it, and
they showed similar census tracks, similar deals.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Black homeowners mean discriminated against.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
And so the Biden posts mandated training things along those lines.
And so Trump comes in and like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Screw all that.

Speaker 25 (01:23:14):
They all seed it. They also mandated mandated protections for
LGBTQ plus people from housing discrimination. Because again, if there's
any community that's been discriminated in housing as much, we're
nearly as much as black people, it's been gay people
historically speaking. And so Biden Harris added protections for the
LGBTQ community, which again Trump's this guy at HUD. They've

(01:23:35):
taken those away as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Again, well, well I coming lay off our people. This
has an economic impact on us, and so this is
not just some just some thing.

Speaker 10 (01:23:46):
And what we know.

Speaker 25 (01:23:47):
First ofance, I tried to buy in my neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Listen, I actually looked when I tried to buy a
house before. What's interesting is they asked me and my
wife for they wanted to see deposit slips, and I
was like, ain't nothing legal about that, and it was like, oh,
so forget like what you said your income is, which

(01:24:09):
was easily proven. They couldn't imagine that our income was
more than three four hundred thousand dollars and want to
see actual deposit slips.

Speaker 8 (01:24:19):
I tell them, y'all going to hell.

Speaker 25 (01:24:20):
My mistake was that I showed up at the home inspection,
and I showed my black and the black ass up
at the home inspection, and suddenly the white so homeowners
they took their house off the market because they knew
that they couldn't tell any They knew that I was
a lawyer by that point that I would sue them,
so they just straight up took their house off the market.
And they were still just like, you know, oh you
should see alliance it's like, man, you can't. You couldn't

(01:24:40):
pay me to give those white people all money? Like
I will find another house that I did. We've been
there for twelve years. But this is the point, is
that this is real. This is not something that's a
figment of people's imaginations. This is a discrimination that happens
to our people every day, every homeowner, every renter, and
the wealth that is extracted from our community by white

(01:25:01):
folks through their racism is shown most obviously in the housing,
in the housing situation, which is why they want to
destroy the law.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
And look, and this also is one of the things
that when we were talking about if you were a
democratic politician or whatever, why you can't you have to
campaign on this stuff. You got to make it plain.
It can't just be sort of you just mentioned it
in passing. It has to be made economically. I made economically.
That's how you have to make this argument. People to

(01:25:30):
understand what's going on.

Speaker 25 (01:25:31):
Absolutely, you have to show them in dollars and cents.
You have to show them, hey, have you ever faced racism?
But they told you it was Equifax doing the racism,
not your landlord. Actually, landlord, here's how my policies are
going to help. It has to be that one to
one clayer as.

Speaker 10 (01:25:44):
We always say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Okay, so folks out there, what can people do?

Speaker 25 (01:25:51):
Pay the damn attention on right, just like be aware
of what's happening.

Speaker 33 (01:25:55):
One. Two.

Speaker 25 (01:25:56):
A lot of housing discrimination happens at the local level.
So when you were talking about housing discrimination, you were
talking about state local elections. You're talking about your local DA,
You're talking about your local zoning board. You're talking about
people that you vote for and off your elections when
Congress and the President aren't running. So for love like
show up to those elections, because those are the people

(01:26:18):
that are actually going to impact your You know, I
live in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
We have a rent board.

Speaker 25 (01:26:24):
They're elected. We can change them anytime we want if
we just show up in these off years elections. So
that's what I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
And the last point, we have mit from elections. Next
year we whether we.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Mit mit election.

Speaker 25 (01:26:38):
But this November, this year, twenty twenty five, some of
these local officials are up for election, and you can
change literally how it works in your community if you
show up in overwhelming numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Oh, in the case that you've got New Jersey liberatory election.
You've got Virginia liberatory election. You've got a house up
as well, and so this has to be where we're
making this a point at Candida's formers, challenging them all
these issues. What are you going to do about basing
the state legislature as the governor? And to make sure
doesn't happen. We don't have to completely rely on the

(01:27:08):
federal government for.

Speaker 25 (01:27:09):
These things, which is lucky because the federal government they
can to help us no way, right, not right, not
this one. So this is a great opportunity to kind
of stretch those what Republicans like to say, states rights
sign where you got to stretch the states rights and
take the power back that way. But also again like
just having people focus and paying attention to it. I
work for Progressive Publication, I am in progressive networks. You

(01:27:32):
know the fair housing story, it's one of the ones
that hasn't been talked about. I know you've been talking
about a lot on your show, but like this is
this is a thing that is again directly taking money
away from us and people don't know about it.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
Billions bills.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
All right, appreciate it.

Speaker 25 (01:27:45):
Thank you so much for having me some much.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
The reason that conversation is critically important because I keep
saying it what Trump in MAGA wants to do. They
want to target everything black, and a lot of folks
are not paying attention to what's going on, and that
whole issue with housing appraisals where we are being impacted,
losing billions upon billions of dollars the right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
They don't give us shit about that.

Speaker 10 (01:28:14):
Correct.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
See also the private equity that's in housing these days, right,
I mean, we've talked about it on the show, where
single family homes and greater proportion than ever before are
being owned by private equity. That's important because these business
people who want to be racist and want to sell
it to certain people and want to deny certain people's
entrees into communities are going to be able to do

(01:28:35):
that with impunity. Now, if you know that the Fair
Housing Act is gutted in that there's not going to
be a Department of Justice or other officials who will
be looking into that, cutting down the numbers of the
lawyers who investigate that, that's going to have a measurable
effect on Black wealth. And also just your ability, your
god given right to live where you want to live
and I'll say two things anecdotally that go to this point.

(01:28:56):
I filed my first Fair Housing Act case last year
and situation in Houston, and it was a young man
who was trying to rent an apartment.

Speaker 10 (01:29:04):
He didn't get it rented. They had a question about
his finances.

Speaker 11 (01:29:06):
He goes into the office and he says, are you're
not renting this to me because I'm black? And the
woman said yes, wow, answered yes in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 10 (01:29:15):
So it's a suit I filed last year.

Speaker 11 (01:29:18):
And yesterday I happened to be talking to a woman
here in Corpus Christy who lives in the Austin area
where I'm from. She's in a small community outside the
Austin area, and she told me that white people like hers,
white woman I was at an event. She says that
people like her are concerned about the number of Indians
moving into that very small community of Austin. She said

(01:29:39):
her husband works for a realtor, a big home builder,
and she said he comes home exasperated because there are
just so many Indians moving in.

Speaker 10 (01:29:47):
Everybody's uncomfortable.

Speaker 11 (01:29:48):
And I literally told her, I said, sixty years ago,
somebody was saying that about me. Do you not realize
that as you're sitting here telling me the story. And
my point is in twenty twenty five, those kinds things
are still happening. So if you have no federal protection
and you have no recourse, that is going to have
a measurable effect on non white people, particularly who want

(01:30:09):
to move into certain areas and who have every right
to be where they want to live. So this is
a law that absolutely is. It's a travesty, thats been gutted,
and this is the kind of thing that should really,
really really concern people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
So when I did Patrick Bett David's podcast, he claims
his independent, he's not. He's a maga right winger, that's
all he is. I want people to understand, this is
somebody with a huge following, a huge following on his
YouTube channel, social media, and if y'all want to see

(01:30:40):
the sheer ignorance of this immigrant okay, because he tried
to question merely and I was like, why don't you
move back to black neighborhood?

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Watch you more?

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
You as back to your goddamn country, trying to tell
me what I should be doing. But I want you
to listen to what this ignorant fool had to say
when I brought up the factual information where guarding home appraisals.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Check this out, y'all, I gonna need you to be
drug tested seriously. Yeah, do you even know? Today?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
We've done the stories in Florida when somebody's black selling
their house, the appraisers will.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Come in and literally give them a value.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
One hundred to three hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Less because they're black. You know that that's actually happened.

Speaker 17 (01:31:24):
Right, You'll take one story and say this, Oh my god,
how on how many occasions has that happened?

Speaker 11 (01:31:29):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Are you serious? Do you think a message.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Like, okay, why don't you go ahead and google? Do
why don't you go ahead and google how many times?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Outright? What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
The New York Times literally just did a story talking
about these systemic racings that exists within housing appraisals. This
is a fundamental problem. I'm trying to see. You're you're
living in a different reality.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
What progress are you making by seeing that? So progress?
So what you're trying to end that? Do you know
how in here?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Okay, hold on, you said you're Middle Eastern, right, you're
trying to you said your Middle Eastern yes, how would
you feel? How would you feel? Yes, if you're selling
your home, You've got a home that you know, right,
you put upgrades in it, and you know your home
is worth five hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeahs.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
And somebody comes into your home, uh huh and they
see your photos, right, and they see your family, and
then they go back and they go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Three hundred and fifty thousand. You go, what the hell?
Should you wait? What's that? What's second? Get people to know,
no happening, it's actually.

Speaker 17 (01:32:39):
Out of a thousand appraising God, out of a thousand appraisals.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
How many times happening? Out of a thousand appraisal that happened?

Speaker 17 (01:32:45):
You want to pull that up, telling him to pull
that Out's your world due out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Of a thousand appraisals. How many times does that happen?
Let's just say it happened. Is it is a significant
issue in America? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
And when from one second one second, and then when
the then when the woman texts, when the woman a
black person should not have to remove their photos from
the wall and remove black art and remove black books
to have a white appraiser, then come in and go, oh,
it's actually five hundred and fift So second one second,
because I'm gonna show.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
You how it impacts generationally.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
So when you follow me here, because this this is
housing America, when you then get that low appraisal, uh huh,
you then cannot sell your house for the higher value,
which then means you are not then taking those proceeds
and being able to invest, being.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Able to send your kids to school.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
And what I'm trying to explain to you is there
is a world out here that for some reason, you're
like living in unity world that ain't the real America.

Speaker 31 (01:33:45):
Are you trying to get rid of that stuff? You
have the wrong guy here, you have to I'm trying
to get rid of it. Okay, good for you me
and I am as well. But you have the wrong
guy here. And here's what I mean by that. So
when you ask the.

Speaker 17 (01:33:58):
Question, what do you do if they praise your house
three hundred and fifty thousand dollars less? Right, that's your question. Okay,
I don't see myself as a victim. I stop looking
myself as a victim a long time ago. And by
the way, being Armenian and Assyrian, you know what a
lot of people in the Armenian community. Do you know
what a lot of people in the Armenian community to do.

(01:34:18):
They sell victimhood mentality. I'm raised with that, which is
the statement of mechka. I know you don't know what
the word merka means. Mecha means oh poor role and
oh poor PbD. I don't see myself as a victim.
And the other part is when you use one story
as an example to divide and get people even angrier

(01:34:38):
because out of a thousand appraisals, this happened one time.
I don't think you're unified when you say statement like
that to say, hey, this is what's taking place all
the time. But going back to it, so you left
because you wanted better economics situation, empreeers, this is Listen
to what you just said again, I'm having a heart time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Listen to a do so when you're saying there so
fundamentally flawed because when you say, oh, my god, you
see yourself as a victim.

Speaker 28 (01:34:59):
You do?

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Oh no, you're selling it does No, I'm not. What
I'm selling is a reality. What I'm selling is when
this is again, since you didnt, I guess you couldn't
pull it up. Okay, Oh, he did. The Biden administration,
the Federal Housing and Finance Agency released forty seven million
appraisal reports to the public for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
The appraisals, which were.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Compiled between twenty thirteen twenty twenty one, present evidence of
a persistent, widespread practice in the home appraisal industry to
give higher values to homes when the occupants are white,
and devalue them if the owners of people of color.

Speaker 17 (01:35:33):
Such bullshit, such bullshit you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Want Hold up, wait, let me tell you why the bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
They actually took the reports and showed the data, and
now you call it bullshit. Of course I saw this way,
So so you asked for the data and the foul
No no, and now you give your opinion of all because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
You don't like that. Bros.

Speaker 17 (01:35:49):
Come on, man, you run a company, Yes, I do, okay,
So when you run a company, how much ship can
I find in the opex?

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
How what with opex?

Speaker 17 (01:35:57):
When I go into my balance sheet and I look
at my expenses, my monthly expenses, what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Paying for rents, employees.

Speaker 17 (01:36:04):
Benefits, workers comp I can give a number and say
we lost two hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
This year and it's like, oh.

Speaker 17 (01:36:11):
My god, we lost two undred and eighty thousand dollars.
And then I open up the balance sheet and then boom,
I'll see you. You're moving your face like you know
what I'm talking about. First one, I get data like this,
tell me the whole story. To jump to conclusion with
something like this, what I've seen, the entire story is
ludicrous to make a comment like the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Bob analyze, there's and millions of appraisals. By using census,
take it down for the proxy for neighborhoods and comparing
communities with nearly identical housing stock, two researchers found that
the results show a clear correlation. The higher the proportion
of white residents in each community, the hire the appraised
value of individual homes they compared similar data. See again,

(01:36:53):
you want to reject these facts.

Speaker 17 (01:36:55):
And what I'm trying to explain to you is a
I am not I am refused using to constantly have
people give data. Would I mean having access to the
entire thing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
So what you're saying, yeah, in order for you, you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Need access to the forty seven million home appraisals.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
I'd love to see yourself. I would love to see it. Okay,
guess what. It's a fellow agency file follow. I love
to see it. Follow for it. Here's here's follow what
for you? Okay, so I'd love to see it? You
know why?

Speaker 17 (01:37:23):
Here here's the part. How often do you see data
being used? And we don't know the whole story both sides.
How often?

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
But first of all, we see data out there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
But what I'm saying, I'm looking at data, actual data,
and I'm also looking at a reality.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
And here's what I'm saying to you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
And again, this is what you for some reason you're
not at fully accepting when what is the most consistent
way Americas have been able to actually build wealth. It
has been through housing. That's been historical and when you
were black in America. This is not an opinion, it's
not a perspective, it's a fact. What we have seen

(01:38:03):
is when you have been unable to enter the housing industry,
meaning covenants saying you can't sell to black people, then
when you actually buy a home and they've been grossly undervalue,
that then limits you for being able to sell your
home at a higher value and now take the profits
and then create a business and then be able to

(01:38:24):
send your kids to college. And what I'm saying to
you is when that has been persistent when you look
at the appraisals one, when you look at inability where
you're buying a house too, all of a sudden, now
you see a clear way how African Americans have been
impacted now historically but still in present day. And what
I'm saying to you is whether you are a Democrat

(01:38:46):
or Republican, I want that to change.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Hello, I'm Isaac right there, Drew he cut.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I don't want to see the I want to see
the forty seven million of raisals. God, this is what
they do. So when you have the facts, then it's
something else. A white man like Patrick Ben David, Oh
my god, you're being a victim.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
I mean a victim because I'm stating, in.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Fact, this is what white This is what these Republicans do.
This is what these Republicans who are immigrants, hughes, are Manian,
Syrian or whatever the hell.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
The rally is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Patrick Ben David gets to come to the United States
and live like a white man. He gets to be
seen as a white man. He doesn't have to take
down his photos. But guess what if you got black
art and you got black books, and you got black DVDs,
and you got black family portraits. You gotta hide your

(01:39:46):
shit because these white appraisals appraisers are taking you down.

Speaker 13 (01:39:53):
Thing I want to make sure that's not missed in
this conversation is that the appraisal is the biggest, I mean,
the most significant robbery of black generational wealth, be it
if you live in a majority white neighborhood or if
you live in a majority Black neighborhood. Not only is

(01:40:15):
the appraisal happens when you talk about what systemic racism is,
when you talk about how it impacts our families generationally,
If I am not in a community that is appraised appropriately,
which means that that means opportunities, that means access to healthcare,
that means access to great schools, which means access to

(01:40:37):
networking opportunities. Those are the things that impact us tremendously.
And if we do not continue to shine a light,
I'm going to go back to this. This is how
systemic racism works. This is happening quietly, This is happening
through memos, This is happening through back room decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
This is how happening In the fine print, so.

Speaker 13 (01:41:02):
That when we go out with IF, when NF, my
husband and I decide to sell our home, right, We're
gonna have to take down this Obama photo. We're gonna
take down all of my AKA information. We're gonna have
to take down all of our black books and our
black art from all of our travels playing our house
to be very plain, Jay, just so that we can
get what our neighbors would.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Get for our home. And that is not there. But
it is life.

Speaker 13 (01:41:27):
And you know what, sometimes you just have to stay
the fact and keep keep on walking because arguing or
going back and forth with someone like that, they don't
get it because they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Want to get no, no, no. But see, here's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
So here's here's why that was important, Michael. Because my
deal is, I'm gonna check you on your show and
guess what, all your followers they gonna have to listen
to that conversation and I there they google it and
when I clicked the comments section of our video, here,
this sister here, she actually posted this comment. She said,

(01:42:01):
black realtor here, racism and appraisals is a huge issue
when listing homes. I strongly encouraged my African American sellers
to remove all traces of themselves once I explained why
they understand my job is to get them the most
money possible, not tip too around their feelings. This guy's
being willfully obtuse. And that's all this was. He did, Oh,

(01:42:24):
you're just using one example out of a thousand, and
then when you bring the data up, Oh, I don't
believe it. I want to see it for myself. Oh,
data can be manipulated, man, get the hell out of here.

Speaker 8 (01:42:37):
Well, he didn't know that you were coming with the facts.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
And that's why his guy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
He had a guy sitting there who was pulling stuff
up on the monitor, and I said, oh, oh, you
can't pull this one up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
I literally told him the article.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
All of the type in Google was New York Times
Housing appraisals and racism. But it was like, oh, he
just couldn't find it. So I was like, yeah, I
can on my own phone.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
I'm gonna read it to you.

Speaker 8 (01:43:02):
Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:43:03):
New York Times widespread racial bias found in home appraisals
easy to find November two, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
And this what you said is so important.

Speaker 14 (01:43:13):
The Brookings Institute has been doing a lot of good
work exposing this because the Brookings Institute has a piece
on how racial bias in appraisals affects the devaluation of
homes and majority black neighborhoods, and our homes are devalued.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
By approximately one hundred and sixty two billion.

Speaker 14 (01:43:35):
Dollars, okay, So that impacts generational wealth. That decreases our
ability to pass on generational wealth to the next generation.
In about ninety six percent of home appraisers are white. Now,
the Biden has administration was doing work to combat that, okay.
And one of the things they did was took on

(01:43:57):
racial bias and home appraisals and closed the Black white
home misevaluation gap by forty percent.

Speaker 8 (01:44:03):
Now that's all that stuff is gonna stop.

Speaker 14 (01:44:06):
Is going to stop onder the Trump administration because anything
dealing with race that they feel discriminates against white people,
they're shutting down in the name of attacking DEI diversity,
equity and inclusion. So I'm glad you showed that. But
once again, this shows how policy impacts your economics. And

(01:44:27):
you got a lot of people out here who spoke
negatively about Vice President Kamala Harris said don't vote for them.
Just focus on building businesses and your community. Stupid shit
like that. And I'm all for building businesses. I've been
doing that, helped black people do that, helping them get
funding for it. But politics impacts your economics. So this

(01:44:48):
is why this show is so important because we are
under an unprecedented attack that we haven't seen since the
Jim Crower.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Well again, real quick, go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:45:00):
Economics politics that I think if you could say that
one more time because for some of my.

Speaker 14 (01:45:06):
Brothers, politics impacts of econoledge, politics impacts of economics. Politics
is the legal distribution of scales, wealth, power, and resources.

Speaker 8 (01:45:15):
So you have to understand how all this connects.

Speaker 14 (01:45:17):
I've been involved in writing public policy for the city
of Detroit. I've helped black people get long get grants,
to start businesses and expand their businesses, things like that. Hey,
I taught entrepreneurship for seven years, so I understand. I've
managed black on companies that have had government contracts.

Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
Well the employees were black.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Yeah, listen. The bottom line here is real simple. Folks
like Patrick bet David and these other conservatives, white preservers,
they want to deny what the reality is that's what
they simply.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Do, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Another story here. We got the news today that Asada
Shakur passed away in Cuba at the age of seventy eight.
Her of course, many folks have heard the story of her,
of course, of fleeing to Cuba after being a prison
here in the United States. You might have seen her name,

(01:46:08):
You've seen her on shirts, You've seen people supporting her
over the years. Of course, she was convicted in the
killing of a New Jersey state trooper. She was a
member of the Black Liberation Army. She was born Joanne
Deborah Byron, Queens, New York. Her name became widely known
in nineteen seventy three after a shootout at the New

(01:46:30):
Jersey Turnpike and left state trooper Werner Forster and fellow
BLA member Zaid Malik Chakourt dead. She was wounded in
the incident and was arrested and later convicted of murder
in his death. In nineteen seventy nine, she escaped from
the Clinton Correctional Facility for Women in New Jersey with
the help of armed allies. Years later, she is surfaced
in Cuba. Well Fidel Castro's government granted her political asylum.

(01:46:53):
Her nineteen eighty seven autobiography offered a personal account of upbringing,
political awakening, imprisonment, and escape. The book went on to
become a touchdoone for generations of activists. Shakur is survived
by her daughter, Cakula Shakur. Uh clil Monago joins us
right now. Uh, he of course has been involved in
uh behavioral health. He's been in a blacksman exchange a

(01:47:15):
number of different organizations, joins us right now. And Uh,
Cleo sent me a if y'all have it, go ahead
and show it. Uh if you don't, Cleo sent me
uh a photo today, Uh, a photo of him in
in Sola Shakur when he was in Cuba. Uh, and
give me one second. Uh so I can pull this up.

(01:47:38):
Give me one second so I can show y'all what
it looked like. So uh this year is the photo here?

Speaker 31 (01:47:44):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
So Cleo, tell.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Us about how did you meet her?

Speaker 37 (01:47:50):
Well, I was in college and I got an opportunity
to do a social political experience in Cuba, and I
went to to meet for the cast, who I also
met in a solid cour Uh. I wasn't sure something
get the opportunity to meet a solid secure because as
you just mentioned, the FBI, her being on the on

(01:48:10):
the run, et cetera, in an exile. But I got
the opportunity to meet her. And as you can see,
I was a young chickeny at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
And everywhere and I see you got way in the
photo was the Malcolm ic shirt.

Speaker 22 (01:48:26):
Yeah, okay black for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
I got I got you, I got you.

Speaker 37 (01:48:29):
Go ahead, actively black supposed to passively black. Anyway, I
got the chance to She was across the room. I
asked somebody that was with her, could I talk with her?

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Hold okay, so so where so? So give me the setting.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
She was across the room, like what what was this
a meeting? Was it a gathering? Was it activist?

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
What? What was this? What was in this room?

Speaker 37 (01:48:52):
I was in Havana, Cuba, at a jazz concert and
Fidel Castro was going to be there and was there
to speak to the crowd. And I did not even
know that Asada was there. It was an evening. It
was on the outskirts of Avon in Cuba, and I
saw her recognize her and I alerted people that with

(01:49:15):
her that I wanted to speak with her. She looked
at me, and she lit up for some reason, and
she said sure, and we talked and we had I
was very in awe of her because I know her history,
I know why she ran, I know about her experience
the Black Panther Party. I know what kind of climate
that this country was in. Black people were being killed
left and right by the cops. She was part of

(01:49:35):
the Black Panther movement that came into existence to resist
the murder of black people by cops post bautality, as
it's called. And I was just very interested in talking
with her, and we connected. We talked, We spent two
days together. She told me about her experiences, her perspective.
She's a brilliant, loving woman. During our conversation, she told

(01:49:55):
me that I was a brilliant black soul. That's the
way she described me. And she said I reminded her
friend Hapton, which I broke into tears unexpectedly when.

Speaker 22 (01:50:04):
She said that, and she she got out of for chare.

Speaker 37 (01:50:08):
She came and put her arm around me and told
me she understood, and that that was a very important
bonding moment for us because her that she said talking
about her struggle, her pain, missing her family, unable to
see them again because she was never coming back to
the United States of America because far she was concerned
she would never get a fair trial.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Well and in fact, and in fact in the New
York Times, oh bit, she was the first woman to
land on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist list and had
a two million dollar offer in state and federal money
for her capture.

Speaker 37 (01:50:40):
Yeah, and I'll talk about that by underscoring that we
talk about the issue of white supremacy all the time. Well,
it's a new It's not a new issue. It's been
a problem for a long time. It's just that over
the past fifteen years or so people have articulated it
in very explicit ways.

Speaker 22 (01:50:55):
But it's not a brand new phenomena. People just finally.

Speaker 37 (01:50:58):
Developed the courage to actually talk about that's something that
affects our lives. But back then, when she was arrested,
she first from her perspective, she didn't do anything wrong,
just like what happened with Sandra Bland. The cops pulled
her over, they roughed her up. They were not subjective.
Excuse me, they were not objective at all, like they
never were when they when they dealt with black people.

(01:51:19):
In many cases, and she knew, for lack of a
better term, her goose was cooked and she wasn't interested
in being in the arms of white supremacist police officers
that were going to clearly kill her or harm her.
So she escaped and she went to Cuba and Fidel
allowed her in there. As you know, at the particularly
at the time Cuba and the United States were in conflict,

(01:51:40):
Fidel was very aware of the Black Panther movement racism
United States of America and gave her shelter over in Cuba,
where she's been until this very day when she pad
passed away. But I want to underscore that the woman
was brilliant, she was thoughtful, she was intelligent, she had
she had a critical analysis, and she was out the
empowerment and safety protection of black people. And that's why

(01:52:03):
she joined the Black Panther Party was to resist the murder,
the brutality and the killing and all other negative things
that was happening to black people, including the police department
and externals to the police department. She was a resistor,
so she understood at the time, particularly after the murder
of Fred Hampton.

Speaker 22 (01:52:21):
I think many of your listeners.

Speaker 37 (01:52:22):
Will know who Fred Hampton was and he had been
murdered and in his bed he was assassinate, laying next
to his pregnant wife. So she didn't trust the system,
the so called justice system, and her life was in
their hands, so she called herself, intervening on that and
escaping so she could live and she built a very
beautiful life in Cuba.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
All right, then, Clil will appreciate you joining us sharing
your thoughts on the Sylish Court.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Thanks a bunch.

Speaker 22 (01:52:48):
Thank you for inviting me. Roll, It's good to see you.

Speaker 17 (01:52:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Likewise, Sir Michael Matt drew any thoughts on her passing.

Speaker 13 (01:52:58):
For me just out parted that you know, she wrestled
power and that her family knows that the life that
she lived, even though she had to be exiled to Cuba,
that she's just resting in power and in truth. And
I just wish that she would have been able to
be with her family at that time.

Speaker 14 (01:53:20):
Michael Roland. Yeah, Sila cour you know this is a
big loss. She's an inspiration to generations, not just because
she was the guy mother Tupac Shakur, but because a
former Black Panther Party, member of Black Liberation movement, and
these brothers liberated her. As my teacher, Professor James Small

(01:53:42):
told me who was in the movement.

Speaker 8 (01:53:45):
He said, these brothers liberated her from prison.

Speaker 14 (01:53:49):
And I was watching an interview from twenty thirteen that
former attorney Lennox Hines did on Democracy Now, and he
broke down the case against her, the murder case against
her in the New Jersey State Trooper against the New
Jersey State Trooper, and he broke down how she could
not have done the crime, okay, because she couldn't even

(01:54:12):
raise her hands above her head because of bullets that
hit her. So he broke down the case and she
was convicted by all white jury. So this is the
type of as Cleo stated, this is the type of
injustice that the Black Panther Party and the Black Liberation Movement,
black Liberation Army, this is what they were fighting against

(01:54:33):
this country and the fight continues today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Absolutely matt Iving.

Speaker 22 (01:54:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:54:41):
The only thing I'm going to add is I saw
something on Facebook right before the show that I thought
was really important, as a friend of mine who was
saying that this is the kind of depth of conviction
that people need to really model themselves after number one,
and to say, as well, you know that phrase.

Speaker 10 (01:54:54):
That you see a lot on social media. We are
not our ancestors.

Speaker 11 (01:54:57):
Well, this is exactly the kind of ancestor you should
drive to be a person who is going to live
their commitment and their conviction as strongly as she did.
And I'm hoping that this younger generation takes from that
the drive to do the same in their own lives.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
All right, folks, that's it for us.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
I appreciated Drew, Matt Michael, thank you so very much
for joining us on the panel. Folks, Monday, I'm gonna
be coming to you live from South Carolina. Hall of
Fame basketball player Alex English is having his celebrity golf tournament.
I was invited to play in that, and so I'll
be broadcasting from South Carolina. So we behead we would

(01:55:35):
you say, Matt, Matt, would.

Speaker 10 (01:55:36):
You say much love to the control panel?

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Matt? What you say? See what? Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:55:46):
You know you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
Now your self mutant?

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Self mutant?

Speaker 11 (01:55:55):
Now you are foul deep deep in your to show
love to your staff again?

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
No you over that? Being demonstraus.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
So I thought you had something to say, So I'm like,
go ahead and say with your chests.

Speaker 11 (01:56:09):
I was telling your staff that I wasn't trying to
throw him under the bus, but that I had to
let you know that God don't like ugly.

Speaker 10 (01:56:14):
So that's all. But I see, I can't ask none
of y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
God don't no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
What happened was I saw you over there being on demonstras,
so I was like, I'll call you. Then they know
if I call your name, pull you up. So that's
what they did. So they were doing their job.

Speaker 10 (01:56:30):
The okay, all right, well shout out to the control panel. Yeah,
how you deal with this, brother, but you deserve easy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Called direct depositive every two weeks. That's how they deal
with it. So you're trying to Yeah, God don't like ugly,
and he don't like burnt orange, and he don't like
he don't like arch Manning. That's it, all right, We done,
folks again. I'm live in South Carolina on Monday. Uh
the Alice English Celebrity Golf Classic. Uh, don't forget y'all.

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