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Speaker 1 (00:12):
To this Monday, June twenty third, twenty twenty five, coming
up on ROLLINGD Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black
Star Network. Donald Trump has done a number of anti
black things. Yet why are black conservatives maga Blacks? Why
they so quiet saying literally nothing about these actions. We'll
talk to conservative radio host Shelley winter By what's going

(00:35):
on while Target remains on the boycott list. The actually
Baptist convention, they are cash again a three hundred thousand
dollars check from the retail along with three other Baptist groups.
I will break down to you why what they're doing
is shameful and despicable. Plus one of a recap of
the Virginia Democrats Colinwell Gayla which took place on Saturday
and lots for us to unpack. It's time to bring

(00:56):
the funk on ROLLINGD Marked Unfiltered, the Black Start Network.
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He's got whatever the bis, He's on it, whatever it.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is, He's got the school, the fine and when it
believes he's right on top and it's rolling best believe
he's going putting it out from his Boston News to
politics with entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Just bookcase he's going, it's growing, it's rolling, Monte, Yeah, rolling.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
With he's book.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
He stress, she's real.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Good question though, he's rolling.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Marte Martel, Well, you've got you know your black, and
served is always saying about other black folks that, oh,

(02:00):
you're still on the plantation.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's always the plantation language they use is and I'm like, okay, great.
So if you're going to support a Republican, support a conservative,
that's fine, but are you going to also say anything
where they are anti black with their agenda. The reality
is that Donald Trump's agenda thus far has been extremely
anti black, with the number of initiatives that he has announced.

(02:23):
I'm not talking just about his attacks on DEI. I'm
talking about very clearly his variety of anti black positions
that he has taken. Shelley Winter, conservative radio talk show
hosts in Atlanta, Well, he supported Donald Trump. He participated
in it was a barbershop conversation I think in Atlanta.
He Jones is right now, Shelley, glad to have you here.

(02:45):
First question last week. Juneteenth, of course took place last week,
and if I recall correctly, well we actually see it.
Donald Trump in his so called Platinum Plan the first
time he actually touted making June teenth a federal holiday.
Yet this June teenth, he decided his White House decided

(03:08):
to pretty much ignore Juneteenth. Carolyn Levitt was pretty pretty dismissal,
dismissive about it. We're gonna have we have that ready
to go ahead and play it.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
Does the prison plant to commemorate the holiday today or
melody coming on it.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
I'm not tracking his signature on a proclamation today.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I know this is a federal holiday. I want to
thank all of you for.

Speaker 9 (03:28):
Showing up to work. We are certainly here.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
We're working twenty four to seven right now, Nikki, go ahead.
Actually that was my question.

Speaker 10 (03:34):
Will you plan to mark Juneteenth in any way, either
today or with an event later on maybe next week?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Sure?

Speaker 9 (03:39):
I just answered that question for you.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Go ahead, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Caroline, Okay, all right then? And then, of course, Trump
later released a post on truth social saying that too
many non working holidays in America. It's costing our country
billions of dollars to keep all these businesses closed. Blah
blah blah blah blah, And of course he dropped that
on Juneteenth. So, Shelley, here's the question. Was he lyned
before or is this the real now? Because before, in

(04:05):
his so called platinum plan, he was talking about, Oh,
let's make June teenth a national holiday. What happened.

Speaker 11 (04:11):
I don't think anything happened, Roland. I think, well, first
of all, thanks for having me. Second of all, Friday
on my show. I opened my show with an very
heated rant as to how I disagreed fundamentally totally opposed
what he tweeted out. I even went on to say
that this is the kind of thing that frustrates me

(04:32):
about him because it's unnecessary conversations that he forces us
to have, because these.

Speaker 12 (04:37):
Are just dumb things.

Speaker 11 (04:39):
What I think happened, and I'm not defending at all
what I think happened was. I know there's a number
of African American conservatives out there on YouTube and in
other places. I saw Wesley Hunt, Congressman Wesley Hunt, who
I respect and love a lot and agree with, on
ninety nine point nine percent of Everything was on Bill
Maher this past Friday, and he said it was an

(05:00):
holiday that he terribly cared about.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
So hold one second, Wesley, Wesley Hunt said it was
or wasn't.

Speaker 12 (05:09):
Wasn't it wasn't wasn't. It's not. It's not, it's not.

Speaker 11 (05:11):
It's not the biggest thing in his life. He's not
really concerned one way or the other. Trust.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So you're saying that a Texas congressman, a black man,
a black man from Dixon.

Speaker 12 (05:24):
I don't think.

Speaker 11 (05:24):
I mean rolland Roland. That has nothing to do with it.
The man has a has a point.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, Shelly, Shelly
as one second. One second. I'm gonna let you finish.
I'm gonna make this point with a speak of your point.
So you're telling me a black man from Texas, remember
of Congress, it is blowing off a holiday that actually
was first a state holiday in the same state of Texas.

Speaker 12 (05:52):
Okay, And I have no problems with that. I have
no problem. I would have a debate.

Speaker 11 (05:56):
I'll have a debate with anybody as to the number
of federal holiday we have is a too many? Do
we need more or whatever? I think that's a different
debate to have.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
So, when he said that he was going to make
it a federal holiday, do you think that was bs No.

Speaker 12 (06:12):
I think he was honest about it.

Speaker 11 (06:13):
Because the Platinum plan was brought to him by African
Americans within the I mean within his orbit who was
on his team. So I think it was legitimate. Everything
in a Platinum Plan was legitimate. He wanted to do them.
And you know, Trump's pragmati. He's a pragmatist. He doesn't
necessarily have a policy bone. He he has policies or

(06:35):
principles that he stands on, but for the most part,
he listens to most people, to every other president.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
So you actually thought the Platinum Plan is legitimate, absolutely
legitimates if it was actually actually was a legitimate But
that's do you know what was.

Speaker 12 (06:54):
Something illegitimate? His what that never got to the table.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, surely here's why, because first of all, he had
the Platinum Plan initially, uh, when he ran for re
election and he lost. Then then he issued another one
when he ran again.

Speaker 12 (07:10):
And this is what.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
This is what The second one says, grow minority owned
businesses with additional task cups to stimilate hiring, an investment encouraging.
One second, shill, Shelley, I'm not done reading. Allow me
to finish reading it. I'll let you respond. Hold on, Shelley, Shelly, Shelly, No,
I know, Shelley, I'm gonna read them. I'm gonna read

(07:33):
the three or four that let you respond. No, Shelley, Shelley,
you don't tell me how to host my show. Okay, Shelley,
I'm reading what specific If you just if you just
first of all, Shelley, if you just chill, let me
finish the damn thing, you can answer. This is what

(07:55):
he said. He said under jobs, Jobs, Jobs, seek in
infrastructure funding that will lead to widespread growth in the
annual five hundred billion dollar federal contracting opportunities, grow minority
owned businesses with additional tax cuts to stimulate hiring, an investment.
And then it says invest almost twenty billion dollars toward

(08:17):
broadband and internet access to create job opportunities. That's what
he had in here. Now his own administration is trying
to get rid of the federal dB program that actually
speaks to the contracting One. Two They actually with Doge
cut the broadband money. So I'm confused. He issued a

(08:40):
platinum plan saying I'm gonna do those things, but then
he began but he wants to get rid of those programs.
Those two seem to be in be contradicting one another.

Speaker 12 (08:51):
No, it's not No, it's not, sir, you.

Speaker 11 (08:55):
Know how because I don't, and most black businesses owners
don't see themselves as doing business as uh as as
as minorities.

Speaker 12 (09:05):
They're doing business.

Speaker 11 (09:06):
So if you look at what Kelly Leffler's doing at SBA,
you will see one that you read and three that
you read being activated right now.

Speaker 12 (09:15):
But if you're standing hold on, let me finish.

Speaker 11 (09:18):
If you're standing on the sidelines calling everyone a racist,
you got to say right, success to that money.

Speaker 12 (09:23):
I say, listen to me.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I didn't say right to me.

Speaker 12 (09:26):
Listen to me.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I didn't say racist to me very clearly.

Speaker 12 (09:29):
Listen to me very clearly.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Don't cut off problem, Listen to you clearly. But I
didn't say racist.

Speaker 12 (09:33):
You're cutting me off. I just say you did.

Speaker 11 (09:35):
I said, if anybody is to keep going, because because
your point was insinuating and implying it, No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
First of all, I don't insinuate. I don't imply. Don't
either say it.

Speaker 12 (09:45):
Oh, I don't. Leffler.

Speaker 11 (09:46):
Right now, the SBA Small Business Administration, right now as
we speak, they're having meetings about number one that you
read and number three that you read.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
About the contacting man.

Speaker 11 (10:01):
No, no, no, hold on, hold about the craps, about
about grants, about grants.

Speaker 12 (10:07):
Also, what Biden never cut out was opportunitieszones. That's I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, hold up, pull up.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
First of all, First of all, Shelley, you didn't answer
the question. Donald Trumps Shelley. Donald Trump's administration has a
legal Shelley. Continue, Shelley, Julia. Shelley, Shelley, when you girl.
First of all, you ain't talking. You ain't talking to
the girl because she's smart as me. So here's the
old deal, Shelley. Let me say it again. The Donald

(10:36):
Trump administration has put forth a filing in a court case,
in a court case where they say it they want
to completely get rid of the thirty seven billion dollar
dB program. So so right, so how and nobody? So how, Shelley,
I'm not done. How in the world can you expand

(10:59):
operapportunities in the where they listen in the annual five hundred?
Excuse me, I'm not done, Shelley. Shelley, I'm not done, Shelley.
This is very simple. Let me shall Shelley Kelly finished.
First of all, I haven't finished, so therefore you're not

(11:20):
gonna finish. Let me say this, and then you're gonna talk. Okay,
you right here, he's talking about expanding opportunity. Excuse me, Shelle, Shelley,
I'm not cutting you off. I'm letting you talk, but
can you please you cut me offrom asking a question,
now answer. I'm not gonna waste time going back and
forth over asking a question. I'm gonna ask it then

(11:42):
you can answer it now. Thank you to give me
to go ahead. It says you want to expand a
program that you're actually cutting. You want to invest twenty
billion in broadband that was already passed by Congress and
sign into law by Biden that they cut. So how

(12:05):
can you invest twenty billion dollars in broadband, especially in
rural areas when Elon muskd Trump they cut it. Those
two don't go together. Okay.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
So I answered that first, the first take the first
statement that you made, the first line job, job jobs.

Speaker 12 (12:24):
I answered that. I answered all the tax cuts. I'm
gonna answer now, and then I'll get to the No.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
No, I asked you about broadband, not tax cuts. So
answer the question that I asked you. You want to ask, No, Shelley,
I just asked you about broadband. I'm gonna ask you
again about tax Kelly, I'm gonna ask tax cut Kellie.
I'm gonna ask you again. I'm gonna answer you a
ban sale. The answer to ask you about broadband? Answered, bro,

(12:50):
this is like are you with my wife? First of all,
I don't care about your wife, but you can't. You
don't let nobody talk if you and you answer you No.

Speaker 12 (12:59):
I'm not woman.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I'm like a man, a black man who's asking a
specific question, and you want to answer your own terms.
Answer the broadband question. How do you invest in broadband
when you just cut it?

Speaker 11 (13:11):
Because the money went to the states. Georgia has a
huge spending in broadband. Brian Brian Kemp won two elections
against Stacy Abrams because of his investments in broadband. The
money exists in the States. Now let me go back
what the money's cut? WELLA, what money did the money
come from? The federal government? Stage what they put out?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
The First of all, your WiFi is not good, so
you might want to get on Ethernet.

Speaker 12 (13:41):
Now because of the cuts. Hello no no, no, no
no no.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
First of all, your your your your video broke up.
You said the money? What what money did doge what
broadband money did they cut? They cut the money that
actually went to states.

Speaker 11 (13:57):
And if you look back now, go back to the
Big Beautiful.

Speaker 12 (14:00):
Bill hasn't passed. No, that that's not That's not what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 11 (14:05):
You asked me a question, man, Go back to the
Big Beautiful Bill and you'll see moneys in.

Speaker 12 (14:11):
There for broadband for rural areas.

Speaker 11 (14:14):
And now what we have to do is black businesses
is compete for those contracts.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So they completely so they cut them. Bro tell what
they planned for this.

Speaker 12 (14:24):
They don't. They don't cut, so do they.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm considering they cut child, Telly. I'm telling you you
cutting me off, Helly, So don't say that. I want
you to clarify something. Damn man, I needs to clarify something.
They cut the broadband money that was all Shelley. Let
me finish. They cut the broad band money that was
already passed, and they're gonna put the money back in.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
No.

Speaker 11 (14:52):
No, I didn't say that. What I said was broadband moneys.
They're not cutting broadband from rule areas. A lot of
the broadband money that Doge cut was from the previous
administration because it was too much. So that's why they
cut it back, and it's now in a big beautiful bill.
This money's in a big beautiful bill, which is why

(15:14):
a lot of conservatives like myself are against this bill
because it still has the same level of spending that
the bidings that Biden had spending in his administration, and
Republicans ran on cutting spending, which is why so many
of us are against this big beautiful bill because the
spending levels are still there, inclusive of broadband.

Speaker 12 (15:35):
Now, let's go to the tax cuts that you mentioned,
because I'm messing that I'm listening.

Speaker 11 (15:41):
Go ahead, right, So the tax cuts now in the
tax cuts that we're trying to get past extending the
Trump tax cuts from twenty seventeen, is that does help
black businesses because you know, if tax cuts are in
there for capital gains, which helps every single day trader
out there, and I know thousands of them as a

(16:03):
matter of fact, earn your leisures getting ready to come
to Atlanta again in the next couple.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
Of weeks, and all of those people trade that's day trading.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Day traders are not black businesses. Will go ahead.

Speaker 12 (16:13):
What I mean by people that.

Speaker 11 (16:15):
Trade you know what I mean you say black business
by capitalize you know exactly you say black beans cuts,
capital gains cuts just does impact small businesses, especially small businesses.
The corporate tax, sales tax impact small businesses. If you're
a black business and they have business tax cuts and
it impacts your business, it impacts your business even more

(16:37):
because more of your income is going out to the
federal government. So if you can save that money and
put it towards the growth of your business, that benefits you.

Speaker 12 (16:46):
So how do yes?

Speaker 5 (16:47):
So?

Speaker 13 (16:47):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (16:47):
So how to point out?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So, how do you grow a business if you can't
get federal contracts? Because last year under Bonden Harris, not everybody's.

Speaker 12 (16:54):
Federal A lot of people running sell business.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
So here's hell, love Shelley. It's the fact last year
that was a record ten billion dollars in federal contracts
that went to black owned businesses. Okay, Now, first of all,
I'm not happy with less than two percent. Let's see
a record ten billion dollars. Are you telling me do
you believe that under Trump that number is gonna increase,

(17:20):
stay flat, or decrease.

Speaker 12 (17:22):
Yes, I think it's gonna increase.

Speaker 13 (17:23):
You know why.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
You know why because I just saw a blue collar
wage growth go up one point five.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
No, No, wages is not contracts. Wages are not contracts.

Speaker 11 (17:33):
I didn't say it, sir, sir, if you allow me
to get a thought out for real, dog's wages are
not contracts.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I didn't say it was I said.

Speaker 11 (17:43):
You also told me during the election that Trump wouldn't
be good for blue collar workers.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
And I'm telling you, okay, yeah, I'm specifically of asking
you about.

Speaker 12 (17:53):
Contract I'm out. I'm out. Bro, I'm out, I'm out.
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I asked my contracts.

Speaker 12 (17:58):
Man, I'm not wasting my time. But how are you
bringing that.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Blue collar job unless you about contracts?

Speaker 11 (18:03):
As I'm making a point, I'm making a point that
you all said blue collar wagers wouldn't go up.

Speaker 12 (18:08):
They've gone up one point six percent in six months.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Now.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
Have a grocery prices question. You asked me a question.

Speaker 11 (18:17):
You said, real black contracts go up, stay the same,
or go down.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I said they will go up.

Speaker 12 (18:24):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Okay, I think they're don't go well, Okay, we gonna
see they go go up. Now, don't talk about Donald
Trump called so that that was a settlement that was
done in Lowndes County, Alabama, where black people had sewage
backing up into their yards and houses. That settlement was
announced to fix the problem. Donald Trump got rid of
the settlement. But I call it any legal DEI settlement

(18:47):
do black and something.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
And you know who I blame for that?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
You know who I blame. I'm hold, I'm sorry, I'm
tall blame. I blame.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I blame uh.

Speaker 11 (18:56):
Scott Turner around him, and I blame some of the
other aff You think that that's wrong. The problem that
I have, the problem that I have is besides me
and maybe two or three other African American conservatives who
supported Trump, nobody is willing to challenge the administration when
we disagree.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
So you think that's wrong? What so you believe that
decision was the wrong decision. Of course it got it.

Speaker 12 (19:21):
I don't know it was racist. I don't think it
was racist.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
I think it was more out of ignorance, okay, and
not knowing what was really happening.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
They asked this question. That was also a lost also
the loss. Now, Shelley, I'm gonna ask you about Louisiana.
That was a settlement in Louisiana. There was a lawsuit
in Louisia. I'm sorry, lawsuit against petro chemical companies in
what it's called cancer Alley. Largely African Americans were being
were being impacted with cancer.

Speaker 12 (19:49):
I'm tremilia Trump also familiar.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Trump pulled the DOJ out of that. Do you agree
or disagree with that?

Speaker 12 (19:56):
I disagree with it.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
I also disagree with Republicans hearing Georgia passing or protecting
one company, Monsanto. I also disagreed when Barack Obama pushed
the Monsanto Protection Act. I agree with any political party
that protects corporations, particularly in lawsuits.

Speaker 12 (20:15):
I agreed with Pigfoot.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
It took twenty five years under Republicans and Democrats, and
the black farmers still don't have their money.

Speaker 12 (20:22):
Don't understand who you're talking to, bron First.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Understand first of all, selling Hello Shelley. Shelley. First of all,
let me be real clear. I specifically, I specifically book
you to ask you the question. You gave the answer.
Now I'm gonna ask you this here. Why are so
many of the black folks who take photo they had
the Black History Month except in the White House.

Speaker 13 (20:45):
At all.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I'm asking I'm asking you, while I'm asking you to
have you and other black conservatives, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (20:53):
Can I ask the question, Convince?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Can I ask you bus acts? Shelley? Can I ask
the question? I don't finish the question, Shelley, I don't
I finished the question. Can I finish the question? Sure?
Thank you? So have you or others who supported Trump
with black conseratives, have y'all said we need to have
a conversation with these individuals to say, if you're going

(21:15):
to be sitting next to him and having access to him,
you need to be advocated on me to have a
black folks. Have you or others done so here? Yet?

Speaker 11 (21:24):
We've had meetings here in Georgia around what's going on
here in Georgia, not for the Louisiana case nor the
Alabama case. I've spoken to people offline about it, but
they're in Alabama now. I have the only voice that
I have is my show, and I voiced my opinion
when I disagree on my show. That is my obligation

(21:45):
and my responsibility to voice my opinions on my show
to my audience. And I'm especially responsible to voice my
opinion when I disagree. But disagreement doesn't mean necessarily I'm
not going to vote Republican. Agreement means just that I'm
voice in my opinion telling you, yo, I disagree with this.
We need to do something differently. So that's my that's

(22:07):
my superpower. Now your superpower should be doing the same
thing for the Democrats. But you can't sit up here
and get mad at the Baptist Convention for taking three
hundred stacks from Target, and you took money from the democohol.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Hold on, you want to go there? Hold on?

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Hold on? Sorry what radio?

Speaker 8 (22:23):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
What radio station are you on?

Speaker 12 (22:26):
I'm on ninety five to five WSB WSB.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Did WSB take any political advertising money?

Speaker 12 (22:33):
They took it from both sides?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
One second? Hold on one second? So WSB, so WSB.
Hold on, Wait a minute, hold on, wait a minute,
Wait a minute, and I wait, wait a minute, Sally
Mark Shelley, Wait a minute.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Listen, hold on.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
No no, no selling, no sealing, selling, take that's.

Speaker 12 (22:49):
Show that's solving here.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
No no, no, don't even no no not. Here's why
you're right sale, no, no sell. Here's the mistake you
no not selling. Don't want me to finish? See now
you want to run your mouth. So you want to
run your mouth? Let me clear you you work for
a media company who owns WSB. Who's the parent company that?
Thinking about Shelley, who is the parent company of WSB?

(23:14):
You look at Shelley, who.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Is the.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Something?

Speaker 14 (23:18):
I mean?

Speaker 15 (23:18):
I know, Shelley.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You you can't tell me the company that owns WSB.
You could google it. I'm just Shelly, what is it?

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Everybody?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Shift? Claire?

Speaker 5 (23:28):
What is it?

Speaker 12 (23:29):
I had everybody on my I had.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Guess what I had?

Speaker 12 (23:32):
Every I had Mark, I had Bill.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Everybody getting there. You have your radio station. Everybody want
to go advertising money?

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, because you know what the asthma was coming. Yeah,
because you knew what was coming, Shelley, because I'm going
to like that as Shelley, your own company took advertising money,
so you can't say, oh, you were taking money but
my company when you're signed off for money, your side
didn't offer money.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
We didn't your side.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Your side did not come to say, hey can be
by advertising. So guess what that ain't on me, ain't
on me? You will, Shelley. I have another Republicans on Shelley.
You have the only one, Shelley. I'm not Shelley. Shelley
you brought up now, not Shelley. You can't tell me
anything because you brought up advertising and your company money,

(24:28):
your company, Shelley, I have Republicans on here. I have
conservatives on here, my only one. That's what I'm talking about, Shelley.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
If they're scared to come on, that ain't my problem.

Speaker 13 (24:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, Shelly, go do you the show National Baptist? Hey,
guess what I'm gonna deal with them? First of all,
you don't know nothing about them. You have peace out.
But guess what you full of ship?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
You know it?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
All right, let me explain some of y'all. Shelley's company.
Shelley works for a radio station, w s B. See
I talked, y'all. I told y'all what happened. You know,
not to hit inn Shelley learn how to use FaceTime.
All right, y'all, here's the whole deal. Shelley worked for
WSB and see I told y'all how this goes down.

(25:14):
All the media company, See, Shelley don't want to own up.
His salary is paid by advertising. Cox Media Group owns
w SB Radio. So guess who gets Guess who gets
puckle money? Cox? Sinclair, iHeart Fox Comcasts, Seeing in Next

(25:38):
Star Tegna all of these radio stations around America get
political advertising money. All of these television stations get puticle
advertising money. So Shelley got a problem that my media
company got money from the Commona campaign. Oh so his

(26:02):
company can get money but my company can't. And y'all
saw how you got to switch it. I have different
candidates on my We've invited Republicans, they don't want to
come on. We've invited black conservatives and we've had them on.
So y'all see how Shelley want to play this little

(26:23):
cute little game. So what Shelley is saying is he
don't like the fact so he works for a white
media company. He's an employee of a white media company.
So Shelley is like, oh so the white media companies
they can get political ad money, but he got a
problem when this black owned media company gets political ad money.

(26:46):
Now y'all understand what the problem is when you black
and you work in white media as opposed to being
an owner in black media. I'm gonna bring in my
panel right now because he is the reason I was
a US if I want to get to But see,
Shelley thought he can run my show now a player
you're gonna do the craft on your show, you don't

(27:07):
do it to my show. So Ohm Congo to being
a senior prophet, story elector of school, being in National
Service American University, the author of Lives About Black People,
How to Combat Races out of DC kill him a
Fair Communication Strategies on DC A Scott Boulden. He's an
attorney also a based out of DC. G leat toy.
Have all three of y'all here, I'm gonna start with
you on the Congo. See this is the thing that's funny.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
You notice when I said, Okay, Shelley, you disagreed on
the Lowes counting decision, you disagreed on Juneteenth, and you
disagree on something else. But see, he kept running his
mouth and it was other stuff I want to get
to because I want to get his opinion on it.
But when I asked the question, well are you and
others are y'all mean? Well not only in Georgia. Well,

(27:48):
if you are so called black conservative voice and you
care about black people, why did you not have the
courage to call all these other black conservatives who run
their mouths on social media and who appear at Trump
rallies all that. Why is it that he's not challenging them? See,
this is what this is what they do too. Many

(28:11):
of these folks they run and hide and they want
to claim, they want to claim they love black folk,
but they really don't. I'm a congo.

Speaker 16 (28:19):
Go ahead, Yeah, you are absolutely right, And it's really
important that people hear these voices because when you've come
down to it, you realize at the end of the
day that they're really not about anything of real substance.
And he tried to flip it by saying, you weren't
letting the finished, but you got a policy on this show.
If you're talking bs, you don't really care the right

(28:40):
to finish. And so when you're hearing these guys, you know, Hunt,
you don't care about Juneteenth, and they're like, these guys
have no desire to take Trump to task.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
He's talking about, Oh, black people are just going to
compete for these contracts.

Speaker 16 (28:51):
How they going to compete when anything that they're doing
is labeled automatically DEI and they're going.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
To be disqualified.

Speaker 16 (28:56):
So you could run down the list at every single
juncture why the points that he was making are just
not making any type of sense whatsoever, and he can
throw our little things. Why I disagree with this, the
bill hasn't been passed yet. Once the bill has passed,
he's probably going to fall in line as well. But
at the end of the day, these so called black
Republicans have no substance, they have no core. They are

(29:17):
in it for the grift, and at the end, they
are not willing to concede anything. So he can throw
our little things here and there that haven't made a
big splash. But really, at the end of the day,
they're going to be lockstep in line with Trump. And
that's the only thing they got is being in lockstep in.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Line with Trump. And if you lose that, they don't
have anything else.

Speaker 16 (29:35):
And he clearly demonstrated that, which is why he all
of a sudden had to go say.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
The thing that trips me out here, He goes, they
gonna have to compete, Kelly. They compete right now. They
actually compete for contracts. There's a reason why the dB
program was established. It was because of historic racism, it
was because of lack of X the capitol. So in

(30:02):
Shelley's mind, oh no, all of these folks, they're on
the same level they now have to compete. So and
he actually thinks, he actually thinks, Kelly, that if they
are successful in getting rid of the dB program, that's
gonna be an increase in black contracts.

Speaker 17 (30:21):
He hi, I mean, I don't know his mental state
by way of drugs, but it doesn't look good for
our conservative friend.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I can tell you up front that it does.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Nothing he said to me made sense, especially when he
was talking along the lines of competition and federal contracting competition.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Why because, like.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
He said, these programs were in place to set us
up to compete. It was never to set us up
directly for a contract. That would be too much like
right in the first place. But that's neither here nor there.
It was set up so we could be in a
place to compete. Because before these programs were in place,
we weren't.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
On the table at all.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
There was barrier after barrier after obstacle to getting us
to the space in which we could compete. Now it
is back to square one as to where do we
even get the contracts from.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
How do we find out what the contract, what the
contract is.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
There's nothing in place now for the visibility and the
accessibility to find out what these where these.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Contracts are, how much they are, etc. Etc.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
So, as somebody who's been a federal contract who has
been on federal contracts, who has seen her friends and
other colleagues compete for these federal contracts, and how it
is very disheartening to me to see other black people
assume that they just got them or we just got them.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Because of the color of our skin. It has never
been the case. That has never been the case, and
it is It is just he's just dumb. I mean,
I was trying to make up something nice. No, it's
just it's just no, he's just done.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well. Here's what was also amazing, also amazing, And we're
having some issue with Scott's signal, so we're trying to
get that straight. The State of Georgia sit the love
the time about Brian Kemp. The State of Georgia. Last report,
minorities in the State of Georgia only gets seven point

(32:31):
seven percent of state contract Wow. Now, Shelley, you black
and service, how are you not asking Brian Kemp what
the hell is going on? How is that in the
state of Georgia when it comes to state contracts, all
minorities at seven point seven percent? Really but see those

(32:55):
kind of questions that folks like Shelley don't want to ask,
and they see if they don't want to operate by
we've got to compete. You got to compete. Well, it's
amazing how folks know how to get contracts in Atlanta
but not the rest of the state. That's real. That's
so right. I'm go ahead on the congo, go ahead.

Speaker 16 (33:21):
Yeah, And I'm glad that you mentioned to seven point
seven percent because we also know that with as within
that that's not all black people and we're probably not
number one. It could be you know, white women who
are probably at the top of the list as it
relates to that, as we see the other programs throughout
this country that have been designed to quote unquote help minorities,
and that statistic a loan is an example of how

(33:42):
so many of these guys are just willing to accept crumps.
They're willing to accept the smallest part of anything to
say that, hey, Trump is good for us black people.
And that's where the problem comes in. There's no resistance,
no demand for more. We're not talking about asking more,
we're talking about demanding more because we put in the work.
We got to work twice as hard to be able
to get half as much when we come from our communities.

(34:02):
As relates to what black women are doing in terms
of being the highest educated, the starting of businesses, in
terms of proportionality, they don't care about any of that.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
We don't have the complexion of connection.

Speaker 16 (34:12):
And so if he actually use his platform to break
down those numbers even further, then he would have a
case to talk to the governor of Georgia. He would
have the case to break the Trump about how these
programs are not being replicated nationally in the way that
they should be, but they don't want to do that.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
They are happy with trump crumbs on the table.

Speaker 16 (34:30):
Are They basically have this trickle down economics type of
mindset that they feel is going to just benefit all
black people when it's never been the case. And so
Shelley was serious, he would actually look at these numbers,
break them down. And actually, if he actually broke them
down the ways that you do, he would understand that
they can't be defended.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
In any way, shape or form.

Speaker 16 (34:49):
But just like Trump, they're only interested in broad conversations,
broad comments about the greatest this, the greatest that. But
when you break it all down you find at the
end of the day is absolutely nonsense. And Shelley's just
not honest enough with himself to really recognize.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
That, and also being loud. Don't get it. Final point here,
I'm Kelly. Before I go to a break, My next
guess his what's also laughable The Biden Congress passed the
bill that put forty two billion into broadband. Shelley literary
said that's too much. Tell after people in rural America,

(35:27):
see this is how nonsensical this is. So they slashed
money for rural broadband. But Trump said We're gonna invest
money in rural broadband, and Shelly is like, oh no,
that's good, because it was too much money going to
rule broadband. You gotta be kissed. Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
I mean, it looked like he needed something of that
money for his own broadband, for his.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
Because I'm not one to talk because I've been on
your show plenty of times in my broad band been
like so like, I'm saying that very directly and very objectively.
It just did not look good to be arguing about
broadband while your broad band is out. In any event,

(36:16):
when it comes to this administration and Republicans in general,
what I've noticed is if it doesn't come out of
their camp, they will try to flip it and reverse
it so that it becomes part of their camp.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And what do I mean by that?

Speaker 7 (36:30):
You just said that by the administration invested billions of
dollars into broadband. We talked about on your show, how
they invested billions of dollars into making sure that farmers
were well and all these other categories of black people
that people don't really think about are well and.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
As whole as they can be.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
It's not that Republicans necessarily disagree and by Republicans, I
mean Republicans, not MAGA, but conservatives don't necessarily disagree with that.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
They just don't like that it was under the Biden administration.

Speaker 7 (37:01):
They just don't like that came from under Obama administration,
and those policies did not come out of a Republican presidency.
So when he says that the money came out, now
all of a sudden, Trump is talking about reinvesting.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
It's just about putting their name on something that.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Is good, because right now, the stack of cards is
completely against them as far as public opinion, because they
look like they're full of shit, because they are.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Well, what I'm never going to do is lost somebody.
I think they're gonna come on my show and then
tell me how to run my show. You not let
me finish. He spent more time filibustering than actually listening
and then answering the question.

Speaker 18 (37:46):
But I just asked you there to be a warning
for the decibel levels because my guy like they're just
warning on our end to like lower our volume or
something like, Hey.

Speaker 19 (37:57):
I.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Just answered the question. Ain't that hard?

Speaker 13 (38:01):
Are I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean, just it's not that difficulty for them to
answer the question. It's just if you just be quiet.
Wait I finish, you answer, don't lie, don't lie. I
don't interrupt. But if you lie, you're gonna get interrupted.
Let me go do a quick break. We come back.
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and undamned believable him. Iran large at least ten missiles today,

(42:05):
targety US military basis and a cutter in a rock,
all of them intercepted with no injuries reported. Some reports
say that actually notified the Kataris, They notified the Trump
ministration this was happening, So it really was kind of
just like an exercise in marks Iran's direct retaliation for
the massive US bombing campaign Operation Midnight Hammer, which struck
three underground nuclear sites in Iran. Now Trump called the

(42:29):
stripe expectacular military success. Then the goal was to stop
Iran from developing a nuclear bomb, but the Pentagon actually
can cannot say whether or not the enriched uranium was
moved by Iran. Then Trump of course is now claiming
there's a ceasefire. This is the tweet or whatever. He
sent out some statements saying if there was a tweet,

(42:50):
a seaspire now between the two, come on, guys, can
we show it please? Thank you? Okay, So now he's
claiming as a sea spire. Doctor Dola Haynes joins us
right now. She of course works for Dotter Knowa Hanes
looking foreign policy of course, for a policy expert, professor
Georgetown University. Glad to have you here, so walk us
through this what the heck is going on? Many people

(43:11):
say that Benjamin Nette Yahoo really pushed Trump into this,
and we look, I mean bottom line as we're entering
Israel's war against Iran or against the whole Middle East.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
Right, So it's definitely layered.

Speaker 10 (43:28):
It's not as simple as wanting to dismantle Iran's nuclear program.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
That's the starting point.

Speaker 10 (43:35):
You heard Trump talk about right after the bombing of
the three facilities, talk about regime change.

Speaker 9 (43:43):
You're going to hear a lot about that because the
larger goal is this.

Speaker 10 (43:48):
Bottom line, Israel wants to be the regional leader, and
the way for that to happen is to change the
leader of Iran by force, which historically never worked.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
And the US is.

Speaker 10 (44:01):
Banking on Israel gaining that power in the region so
the US can then have more control over gas and
oil reserves.

Speaker 9 (44:12):
That's the big plan here.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
It's a lot larger than stopping their ability to make
weapons of mass destruction.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Okay, but Iran then made a move closing off a
critical passageway that supplies tombs in the nation's.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
Oil, absolutely which they said they were going to do
from day one. The strait of her moves. Every state
has a lever to pull, and this is Iran's lever
to pull, as they are one of the major gas
and oil manufactors around the world. And even though the
US doesn't necessarily deal directly with all of our oil

(44:49):
and gas needs from Iran, it does cause a certain
level of instability within the market. It caused a level
of anxiety to which is going to trigger gas prices
going up.

Speaker 9 (44:59):
Now, who it does us directly effect is China.

Speaker 10 (45:02):
China actually gets more of its gas and oil from
Iran than we do, but it has a domino effect.
So Iran pulled that lever and I just want to say,
you know, in terms of the so called seaspire. A
few minutes later, Iran said that's false. So we have
to be very careful about what the president says and

(45:23):
how he says it, because we know that he tends
to fabricate, fabricate a lot of things, and this is
a very dangerous time.

Speaker 12 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, he was the same one who fabricated that he
was responsive for India and Pakistan having a truce and
they basic like, nah, that ain't true. That's a lie.
So yeah, he's he's good known for lying. But this
does draw us into this war, and it's not like
we're not now in it, right, So it does.

Speaker 10 (45:53):
And again because this is this is the calculation of
put Israel in as the regional leader and the US
will have access and gas and oil where you can
knock out the middleman of all the surrounding Middle Eastern countries.

Speaker 9 (46:07):
I venture to guess that they would like a word.

Speaker 10 (46:10):
And then also, we still don't know how this is
going to play out, because I have a hard time
believing that Iran is just going to be okay taking
all these ls. You know, there's there's one thing about
proportional responses, which is what we saw Iran do on Cutter.
There's nothing new about that. There's nothing there's nothing new

(46:30):
about a country knowing that an attack is going to happen.
It has to be proportionate to what the other state
did to them. So that's within the realm of international relations.
So that's one part of it. I have a hard
time believing after Israel killed some military leaders, you know,

(46:53):
aggressively bombed them, and then the US coming behind that,
that Iran is just going to be like, Okay, I'm cool,
I'm good.

Speaker 9 (47:00):
I have a hard time believing that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Well, absolutely, so what's next? What do you think happens next?
And I mean, look, we've seen this one report that
Aaron has activated sales is at the US. Trump was like,
don't you do that, or it's going to be even
more attacked. I mean it's going to be a back
and forth.

Speaker 10 (47:22):
Oh absolutely, it's going to be a back and forth.
And that's the thing, Like, it's going to be asymmetric.
It's not going to be like a traditional kinetic, conventional engagement.
It's going to be these asymmetrical attacks, perhaps cyber perhaps terrorism.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
That's really hard to. That's really hard to.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
That's a tough one because you never know where a
terrorist attack can come from the only thing that I
can say to people that they want to be mindful
of being in really big crowds. Other than that, it's
really hard to tell where it's going to come from.
And I've been seeing all this conversation about what is
a sleeper what is a sleeper cell. It's basically a

(48:03):
group of folks that's trained to engage in asymmetrical warfare,
and then once they are activated, then they go and
they then complete their mission, but their dormant until their
mission is activated. So that's a scary thought. And then again,
you know, I don't know how real that threat is.

(48:25):
I definitely do believe that we are vulnerable to terrorism.
I want to state that very clearly. To broadcast that
sleeper sales are going to be activated, that's an interesting strategy.
You know, perhaps that's more psychological than anything else. But
to your point, there will be back and forth. What
that back and forth is going to look like is

(48:45):
going to be interesting. There is also a threat of
Iran finding the Epstein evidence if it exists, if that's
what Israel is holding over.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Downald Trump questions out from a panel on the CONGO.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
But thank you so much, mutch Nola for this information.

Speaker 16 (49:02):
I was actually really hoping you beyond tonight because one
of the questions I wanted to ask you is I
hear so many people talking about, well, this is just
going to be Iraq all over again, and people who
are more have more exercise in the field, says. Iran
is a little bit different scenario then than what happened
with Iiraq.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Could you speak a little bit about.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
That, right? So I see how people are drawing those parallels.

Speaker 10 (49:28):
Right, it was the threat of WMD, it was a
threat of a so called unhinged leader. There are parallels. However,
Iran is a very different state from Iraq. And one
of the things that I've been telling people is Iran
is not some small country you know, where there were
just huts out in the out in a desert.

Speaker 9 (49:51):
That's not what Iran is.

Speaker 10 (49:53):
We're talking about a very large population, a very old civilization,
and a country that also has a strategic partnership with Russia.
They signed that in January, and then they also have
the backing of China, and we still don't know what
that particular triangle is going to look like. So you
could have a situation where other Middle Eastern countries figure, Okay,

(50:18):
who do I partner with? Do I prefer Iran as
it exists, you know, even though they have a tendency
of getting you know, partnering with insurgents from a huthis
to hesblat and causing a lot, a lot of friction
in the region. I need people to understand, Daddy, Iran.
You know, they're not they're they're not babies, you know,

(50:39):
in that they're all cute and cuddly.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
They are not.

Speaker 10 (50:43):
But do you want Israel to be the leader of
the region, because what would that then mean for other
Middle Eastern countries? So this can unravel in a million
different ways. So while I get the parallels, there are
there are stark differences.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
Kelly, again, thank you for coming on the show. Something
that I have seen on you know, TikTok and other socials.
While in Jest, I.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
See a lot of you know, TikTok comedians saying you know,
I'm black, don't bother me, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
You know, it's them people over there, right, And.

Speaker 9 (51:23):
It's interesting because there's a little bit of truth to that,
and that if I recall.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
Correctly many moons ago the when there were hostages in Iran.
My understanding is that Iran let go of of black
hostages for a reason.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
If you can expound on that and how.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
There's a maybe there's a parallel in regards to that,
as far as can we maybe map out exactly what
they would do. Are they ones who are considerate of
those who are disenfranchised by the United States when they
do or I don't want to say when, but should
they do some level of counteractivity? Do they take into

(52:09):
consideration those who have also been disenfranchised.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
By the state.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
So what Kelly is saying is if they attack us
with the sleeper slaves sleeper, are they gonna hit black people?
That was a roundabout way Kelly asked it. But before you,
before you, we don't do politically correct over here. Just
say it. Are they gonna hit black people? Just go
ahead and say it. Hold up, But you know, I

(52:35):
make it plain for the audience.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
But I understand what I said.

Speaker 12 (52:41):
What I said in which we.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Cut to the chase. No, no, no, First of all,
I ain't feeling myself. I'm telling you right now we
cut to the So let's be real clear, we don't.
We don't do politically correct here. We do black.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
But let's be now before you answer the question, let
me add to what Kelly said. The problem that I
have in America is we only reference Iran about seventy nine.
What we never talk about is fifty three. And so
fifty three set up seventy nine. Iran was a democratically

(53:20):
elected a democratically elected leader in most of day. Most
of day did not like the fact that Anglo at
Angleranian Oil now known as BP was getting most of
the money. He wants all the money come back. The
United States overthrew most of day's government, and we put

(53:40):
in the char of Iran and his death squads that
led to seventy nine. So if people should read Stephen
Kinser's book Overthrow, which is which is an amazing book
where he talks about that. But I just want us,
when we're talking about this, to remember that you can't
talk about seventy nine. And this is the book right here,

(54:00):
which is a phenomenal book where he details the thirteen
different times in the United States overthrew other governments. So
we can't talk about Aran in seventy nine, Nola, if
we ignored fifty three, go ahead, Well.

Speaker 10 (54:18):
When I broke news on your show Friday night and
told the world that what was going to happen on
Saturday happen, but you was out in your Little Girl Nobile,
I mentioned to the audience.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
No, actually Friday. For actually Friday, I was speaking in
Saint Louis, flying back to Washington, DC. I was in
a roller Rebille on Saturday. So come on, get your
timeline straight.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
But go ahead and teho as I told the audience
on Friday, all of this is successive, right, And you know,
to Roland's point, all of this is a historical narrative
that builds on itself. So we don't get here without
that incident. We don't get here without a number of
incidentss in the Middle East.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Right. And so.

Speaker 10 (55:02):
In terms of does Iran align itself with people who
are disenfranchised, I would say yes and no. You have
to understand that there are countries and there are decision
makers and leaders who know the United States a lot
better than we do, and they know how to tug
on those levers. You know, my daddy would tell me

(55:24):
stories about Vietnam and the flyers that the viet Cong
would drop, you know, from helicopters, or they would find
find everywhere about you know, black people go home.

Speaker 9 (55:35):
You know, why are you here? Your own country doesn't
even want you or love you.

Speaker 10 (55:40):
So while an argument can be made, yes, Iran is
very aware of the role in which, you know, black
folks play in terms of how we vote.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
What I say that.

Speaker 10 (55:55):
If they activate a terrorist cell, that they will tell
them to make sure not to kill black people. No,
that's not gonna happen. So I don't I've seen the
videos and you know, they make me chuckle. But I
really want people to take this very seriously. You know,
if you're out, don't think, you know, if you go
to a concert and it's just a black concert, that

(56:16):
everybody's going to be safe.

Speaker 9 (56:18):
And okay, I wouldn't make that bad.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I remember, I never forget the image when they released
the women and the children and the black people and
that black marine was at the top of the staircase
in his uniform and he came off and it was
like me and them black people that cast so much hair,
go and let that brother go. We're not gonna hold
lit much longer. But we'll see what happens. We know
we got an unstable person in the Oval office, So

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folks be diligent, no one, We appreciate it. Thanks a lot,
all right, folks got to come back. Oh, I got
to deal with these Black Baptist folks taking this target money.
And I'm about to walk y'all through how the statements
that they released are absolutely bs. Oh yeah, we about

(57:13):
to unpack this thing next on Roland, Marked and Unfiltered
on a Black Sun Network.

Speaker 10 (57:21):
This week on a Balanced Life with Doctor Jackie, we're
talking faith, family and fatherhood, from rebellion to rebuilding. Each
of us has different things in our toolkit that we
need to look at to determine how to establish.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
A way forward.

Speaker 10 (57:35):
I know going forward is not easy and most of you,
like some people, don't like change. But as we talk
about it, we grow together, we love together, we live together,
and we laugh together. It gives us an opportunity to
discover how to set the pace for what comes next.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
For healthy, happy and.

Speaker 14 (57:53):
Whole life, there has to be persistencies in their lines
that show that you care for them to know that
you're mission and if that builds trust or the worse,
you build the trust, they'll beget to open up because
you have become their safe place that they.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Have to see.

Speaker 10 (58:10):
That's all this week on a balanced line the Doctor
Jackie heere o Black Star Network.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
This week on the other side of change.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
June teenth, the.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Day about blackness.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
It's a great day about freedom. It's also a day
about talking about justice delayed. And we are not in
the business of justice being denied to us.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
So stick around.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
We're going to talk all about.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
The case of reparations and the Puscher.

Speaker 23 (58:31):
Reparations is not just an economic project, it's a moral project.
So if we want to live up to the ideas
of this foundation, the reparations has to be something that
we pursue.

Speaker 9 (58:42):
Only on the other side of change of the Black Start.

Speaker 24 (58:44):
Network, Hell hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a
white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
People are moving their their minds as a angry pro
Trump mob storm to the US capital ship. We're about
to see the lies what I call white minority resistance.
You have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing
is the inevitable result of violent denial.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 22 (59:23):
Every time that people of color had made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been But Carol Anderson at
every university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
This is the right of the proud boys and the
Boogaaloo boys America. There's going to be.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
More of this, the prodvoy guy.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
This country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
White people, the people that they're taking our jobs, they're
taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white being.

Speaker 25 (01:00:06):
On the next Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, of
America's Wealth Coach.

Speaker 20 (01:00:10):
The wealth gap has literally not changed in over fifty years,
according to the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 25 (01:00:18):
On the next Get Wealthy, I'm excited to chat with
Jim Castleberry, CEO of Known Pointings. They have created a platform,
an ecosystem to bring resources to blacks and people of color.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
So they can scale their business.

Speaker 26 (01:00:35):
Even though we've had several examples of African Americans and
other people of color being able to be successful, we
still aren't seeing the mass level of us being lifted up.

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
That's right, here on Get Wealthy only on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Far Twiti, Executive producer Proud.

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Family, Bruce Smith, creator and executive producer of The Proud Family,
Louder and Prouder.

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You're watching Roland Martin.

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Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Alright, folks. I first started hosting my own television show
in two thousand and nine. That was Washington Watch on
TV one. That was some Timber two thousand and nine.
In November twenty thirteen, we launched the daily show News
one Now. That ended December twenty seventeen. We launched this

(01:03:12):
show September fourth, twenty eighteen. So that means for the
last sixteen years I have been hosting either a weekly
or a daily show. And in that sixteen year period.
In the sixteen year period, I cannot recall a single

(01:03:36):
time ever getting a press release getting any type of
statement about an initiative planned and organized outside of preaching
by the National Baptist Convention USA. Now, I'm not hating,

(01:04:02):
I'm stating The last time I recall ever hearing anything,
ever hearing anything from the National Baptist Convention in USA
was when Henry Lyons was a president and got in
trouble and wife burned the house down and all, I

(01:04:25):
mean all sorts of stuff. So obviously I was shocked
and surprised when they dropped this statement announcing them receiving
this three Well, first of all, they had announced them mount,
but we later found out with three hundred thousand. But
it's not just even them, them and three other denominations

(01:04:46):
receiving this money from Target. He was a statement pull
statement though. So the statement reads, the National Baptist Convention
of USA is committed to ensuring the corporations that do
business in our communities give back to help rebuild and
stabilized neighborhoods. The partnership with Target is based on our
shared commitment to community empowerment through small business and entrepreneur development,

(01:05:11):
investments in education and student support, and workforce and skill development,
unlost growth across our communities. Next page. The NBC USA
has been clear about our expectations and Target senior leaders
have responded a very positive way. We're working on a
three year plan that will be very beneficial to the
African American community. If I thought Target was not sincere

(01:05:31):
in their commitment to the African American community, if I
thought Target was not sincere, I would be the first
one on the picket line. Our communication with Target has
been at the highest level, and we are continuing the dialogue.
With the federal government making deep cuts in education, healthcare,
and other and central services, we know the Black Church
will be called upon to stand in the gap. Our

(01:05:52):
outreach programs serving both our congregates and the broader community
must be fully resourced to respond to the need. I
am proud to say will answer the call. Target's generous
donation will help us provide scholarships, support senior citizens, and
investment entrepreneurship programs uplooked our people in the future. The
church must be a beacon that meets the spiritual and

(01:06:12):
physical needs of our members. Through partnership with corporations like Target,
we have a better position to fill that mission. Huh.
The NBC USA remains stand fast and committed to holding
corporations accountable to the true African Americans receive equable opportunities
in contracting, employment, other vital areas of investment in the
National Baptists. Good to the USA, found in eighteen eighty six,
is the nation's oldest and largest African American religious convention,

(01:06:32):
over thirty one thousand churches of Zeppo one five million
members of the Boys. Kimber, president of NBC USA. See,
I find it to be interesting. I find it interview
interesting that Kimber would release this statement. And the first
of all, let's be real clear. They released the second
statement later saying they were clarifying what's going on. They

(01:06:57):
were clarifying that it was in just them receiving the money,
that it was actually four black church denominations. And so
in their statement they said that they were receiving money.

(01:07:18):
They also said that the American National Missionary Baptist Convention
of America and the Church of God in Christ, how
they formed this coalition the three of them, So that
means three denominations are sharing three hundred thousand dollars. That's

(01:07:39):
one hundred thousand dollars each. Now, what I find to
be really interesting reading that statement and go to pay
go to the third page of that statement. Did y'all
see all the stuff they listed, all how the money
coming from Target, all this generous sport is going to
help us. It's going I'm not gonna go to the

(01:08:00):
go do one before that one.

Speaker 12 (01:08:01):
I want you to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I want y'all to see. Let's see here, go before
that one. Let me see. Okay, let's see here. Now,
let's go forward, go go for go forward. How oh
my god, how there's money is just it's just great
right here. Target's generous donation will help us provide scholarships,
support senior citizens, and invest in entrepreneurship programs of with

(01:08:23):
our people. Y'all, you can't do all that for three
hundred thousand dollars. So for three hundred grand, you're gonna
do scholarships, investing senior citizens and entrepreneurship program Do y'all

(01:08:43):
know why this is a dumb ass statement? Because the
reason Target is being boycotted is because they are going
against their commitment of investing two bills million dollars annually
in black owned businesses. I'm sorry, what are black owned businesses?

(01:09:06):
Those are entrepreneurs. So let me ask you all the question.
Three hundred thousand dollars two billion, two billion, If you're
going to targetfast dot org, which is the website of

(01:09:29):
passor Jamal Bryant, you will actually see what the four
demands are for target these four demands, Cause let me
real clear, Jamal Bryant passor Jamal Brant is not the
leader of this boycott. He is one of the leaders

(01:09:50):
of this boycott. Need the terms organizations. She's gonna be
on with us in a few minutes. They'll want she,
They'll want the leaders to Nick Mallory until freedom. They
wanted the leaders Nikeema Levy. I'm strong in Minneapolis, one
of the leaders. So they're multiple leaders of the boycott
is a collective effort. So here are the four points.

(01:10:11):
A fulfillment of their two billion dollar pledge to the
black business community, deposits of two hundred and fifty million
dollars into twenty three black owned banks, the establishment of
ten retail training centers at HBCUs, A full restoration and

(01:10:31):
recommitment to DEI principles. Those are the four demands. I
need somebody to explain to me what credibility does the
National Baptist Convention and the National Missionary Baptist Convention of

(01:10:53):
America and the Church of God in Christ, what credibility
do they have? And advancing the interest of black business. Please,
by all means, show me your track record, because I
haven't seen it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Here's what I do know. If you go to targetfast
dot org, you will see that there is a partnership
with the US Black Chambers Inc. That is a collection
of black owned that's Black Chambers of Commerce which have

(01:11:37):
as its members black owned businesses. They're part of the
Jamal Nina Tamika Nachema coalition targeting target That boycott is
about advancing the interest of black companies with products on

(01:12:01):
targets shelves. So I'm confused, where are y'all coming from
when y'all ain't being nowhere around here. Now, what I
find to be real interesting is and I'll tell you
what happened, because so they talked about in one of

(01:12:22):
their deals with Willie Wilson. Willie Wilson a Chicago businessman.
He is the chair of the economic Development committee for
all three groups. I talked to Willie over the weekend.
WILLI is a good man. WILLI is given millions of
dollars to various groups. But I also talked to other

(01:12:43):
pastors they were meeting with, and what I was told
was that and Willie said that he met with Jamal
in Chicago. I was told that Jamal was coming to
Chicago to preach at Rainbow Push and that several pastors
and Jamal met with Willy, and Willy said that Jamal
could and I was told point blank one of those

(01:13:04):
pastors that Willy was told that the efforts of Jamal
and the others was much further along then the Baptist
groups and they should be standing with them. Will He
told them that Jamal was welcome to come to them
to the Target meanings, but he could not talk. Willy

(01:13:24):
would be leading the negotiations. Jamal said, that's unacceptable. Now
here's what I don't understand. How are y'all working on
a three to five year plan with Target on behalf
of black people, and y'all ain't came and talked to

(01:13:46):
black people. There is literally a boycott going on. Black
folks are not going to Target, not shopping at Target.
We are driving people to buy from these black owned
stores directly. We ain't seen y'all. Now here's what I
find to be very interesting. I pulled this story here up.

(01:14:07):
It's from September twenty seven, two thousand and one, and
it says a controversial figure Kimber still at center of
political scene. And so I'm sitting here reading this article
and it says that on Reverend Boyce Kimber's wall hangs
photo collages of the minister smoothing with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,

(01:14:29):
and Bill Clinton. Nearby there's a large portrait of Martin
Uther King Junior, the leader. Kimber says he admires the most,
and right behind the desk is a matching portrait of Kimber. Quote,
Doctor King has always been an idol of mine, and
a lot of people looked at King as a troublemaker.
But when King was assassinated, he became an American hero.

(01:14:50):
I sometimes try to get my hair cut like him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I find that to be interesting. And the article goes on.
It talks about Kimber's history. It talks about long ago
being a convicted felon and all different stuff, and I'm
not again, this is all how he's involved in democratic politics.
And this is y'allfered twenty four years ago. So a
lot has happened over that period. Talks about how he

(01:15:19):
said he made lots of mistakes, things that and the other,
and he was involved in all kinds of stuff like that,
and so this ain't about him. This is about MLK. See,
I was blown away reading this story about how kimber
now the president of the National Baptist Commage in the USA,
how he liking themselves guys, come on now, how he

(01:15:43):
liking himself to MK. And I found that to be
very interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
I found to be very.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Interesting liking himself to MOK in this article, because if
you liking yourself to MLK, how are you not acting
like MLK? Because see last I check, last I check.
When MLK was giving his final sermon at Mason Temple

(01:16:16):
at Mason Temple in Memphis, Tennessee, on April third, nineteen
sixty eight, many of us call this the Mountaintop Speech.
And in that particular speech, King talks about their movement.
In that speech, King talks about how black folks should

(01:16:38):
be working as a collective. In that speech, he talks
about black economics. And what I find to be real
interesting is in the same sermon he talks about the
injustices in Memphis. He talks about how the sanitation workers

(01:16:59):
are being impacted. He talks about what needs to happen
in what he called this majestic struggle of what needs
to go down, and then he goes on and he
talks about what needs to happen and how there needs
to be what's called redistributing the pain. Yeah, in that speech,

(01:17:23):
he talks about it because he talks about what the
preachers in Memphis were doing. He says, I want to
command the preachers, under the leadership of these noble men,
go to by iPad James lawsuit. One has been in
this struggle for many years. He's been to jail for struggling.
He's been kicked out of Vanderdilt University for this struggle,

(01:17:43):
but he's still going on fighting for the rights of
his people. Reverend Ralph Jackson, Billy Kyles, I could just
go right on down the list, but time would not permit.
But I want to thank all of them. I want
you to thank them because so often preachers aren't concerned
about anything but themselves. And I'm always happy to see

(01:18:04):
a relevant ministry. And let me stop right there. King says,
so often preachers aren't concerned about anything but themselves. You
got to be concerned about yourself. When there's a black
boycott going on and you decide to walk into target
and meet with the highest levels. But you don't say

(01:18:24):
who that is. You don't say how many meetings you had,
You don't say, and you walk out with a three
hundred thousand dollars check for three different denominations talking about
you working on some major plan for Black America when
you have as groups no credibility in this area. Then,

(01:18:46):
as I go on, he talks about the responsibility of
preachers and what they must do. But then is what
he gets to the meat of it. MLK says, quote
gorm iPad. Now the other thing we'll have to do
is this always anchor our external direct action with the

(01:19:10):
power of economic withdrawal. He then says, now we are
poor people. Individually, we are poor. When you compare us
with white society in America, we are poor. Never stop
and forget that. Collectively that means all of us together.

(01:19:33):
I'm gonna come back to that. Collectively, we are richer
than all the nations in the world, with the exception
of nine. And you have a think about that after
you leave the United States, Soviet Russia, Great Britain, West Germany, France,
I could name the others. The American Negro collectively is

(01:19:56):
richer than most nations of the world. We have an
annual income of more than thirty billion dollars a year,
which is more than all of the exports of the
United States and more than the national budget of Canada.
Did you know that? He says, boom, right here, that's

(01:20:18):
power right there, if we know how to pool it. Earlier,
he says, never stop and forget that collectively that means
all of us together, and then he comes back down.

(01:20:39):
That's power if we know how to pull it. You
can't talk power if you are the National Baptist Convention,
the National Baptist National Missionary Baptist Convention of America, and
the Church of God in Christ. When you decide to
go sit with Target, and then you don't talk to

(01:21:02):
the boycott leaders, you don't talk to the black chamber,
you don't talk to black entrepreneurs. That's why King called
the collective. Then King goes on to say, we don't
have to argue with anybody. We don't have to curse
and go around acting bad with our words. We don't

(01:21:24):
need any bricks and bottles, we don't need any molotov cocktails.
We just need to go around to these stores. Oh,
I'm sorry, he said, stores and to these massive industries
in our country, and say, God sent us by here
to say that you're not treating his children right. And

(01:21:47):
we've come by here to ask you to make the
first item on your agenda fair treatment where God's children
are concerned. Now, if you would not prepared to do that,
we do have an agenda that we must follow, and
our agenda cause for withdrawing economics support from you. So, boys, Kimber,

(01:22:15):
I need you to explain to me, how is Noka
your mentor how isok the person who you revere but
you forgot about this sermon? How is it? Have you
got your hair cut like King but you ain't cutting

(01:22:39):
a figure like King in twenty twenty five? How can
you claim that you love doctor King so much yet
you're unwilling to follow the lead of Doctor King. Because
allow me to remind you, Boyce Kimbert, as as the

(01:23:00):
other leaders, get me the names of the other leaders
of those denominations. Give me the names of the National
Missouri Baptist Witch of America, the Church of God in Christ.
I want to see both of their photos. What I
need you to understand is, how can you sit here
and say you love MLK, but you ain't following MLK.

(01:23:21):
Because see m Ok in his for sermon mention his
reverend doctor James Lawson. And it was James Lawson who
made the phone call to King to come in.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
When King came to Memphis, the boycott had already been called.
The boycott had already started. King came into Memphis in April.
The boycott has started a couple of months earlier. You
had Bill Lucy and other pastors in Memphis who are
already leading the boycott. So MLK didn't walk into Memphis

(01:23:55):
and say I'm here, I'm meeting with the mayor, meeting
with the sanitation of company. No, m Oka said, I'm
going with the leadership. I'm going with them. M Oka said,
I'm here to support the boycott. I'm here to support

(01:24:20):
to strike. He didn't say I'm usurping it. He sat
down with the leadership of the boycott that existed before
he got there. Y'all ain't done that, boys, Kimber, you
have not done that. Your board has not done that.

(01:24:41):
Willie Wilson, you talked to a couple of preachers, and
I know two of them. You talked to Pastor Brian,
But you ain't talked to the broader group and leading
the boycott. Have been no strategy conversations. I know y'all,
ain't I sat down with other civil rights groups and

(01:25:03):
other black economic groups and said, how can we move
as a collective to hold these companies accountable? No, what
y'all have just done is take the three hundred thousand
dollars and then give target cover because that's what these
companies do. See, it's easy to identify the least expensive

(01:25:28):
negro because if I give y'all three hundred, I ain't
got to give y'all two billion. If I hand y'all
three hundred, under the guys up, we're gonna work on
some entrepreneurship programs. I ain't got to support all of
the black entrepreneurs who are already enrolled in our program

(01:25:51):
and get their products on our shelves. See, that's the
problem with all of this. Y'all are Johnny come lately.
I'm serious, and I'm being straight up. Where have y'all
been when Corporate America made anywhere from thirty to one

(01:26:11):
hundred billion dollars in commitments to Black America After the
murder of George Floyd. I do not recall seeing a
single text, press release, email phone call from anybody with
a National Baptist convention, and your president had my phone number.

(01:26:38):
You can't tell me he didn't know when I put
him on a text chain.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
With the likes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Of the following. See if y'all want to go there,
we can go there. I put your president on a
text chain that I have with Al Sharpton, Cornell West,
Cliff Albright, Damon Hewett, Dereck Johnson, NAACP, Freddie Haynes, Jamal Bryant,

(01:27:14):
Karon Town NAACP, Latasha Brown, Black Voters Matter, Monk morial
In National Urban League, Melanie Campbell, National Coalition, Black Civil Participation,
Reverend Ralph West, Bishop William Barber, President Merida of the Board,
Emerita Chair of the NAACP Roslind Brock. See, y'all, we

(01:27:36):
ain't heard nothing. We ain't heard nothing. When Breonna Taylor
was gunned down in Louisville and the Folks for Until
Freedom essentially moved to Louisville working with local groups. We
heard nothing from a National Baptist convention in USA. We

(01:28:00):
heard nothing from Kojik. We heard nothing from the Missionary Board.
Do y'all want me to continue when we were sitting
here fighting for contracts, when I and others were involved
in the Black owned Media collective and we were calling
out the ad industry and these ad agencies for spending

(01:28:24):
three hundred and fifty billion dollars a year on advertising
and black owned media was getting point five to one percent.
I don't recall ever hearing from the National Baptist Convention,
from the Missionary Convention or kojik and now was three

(01:28:45):
hundred and fifty billion dollars and black OneD media getting
point five to one percent. Y'all corporate office is in Nashville.
National Bettterphits of USA. Your corporate offices in Nashville. When

(01:29:11):
we went down to Nashville to stand with the folks
at Tennessee State fighting for funding. Where were y'all at
when the Body Administration sent letters to a bunch of
states saying that HBCUs had been cheated out of upwards

(01:29:33):
of twenty billion dollars in money that was laying grant
money that was sent to the states, and that money
never got to the HBCUs. Where were y'all at? If
y'all want I can do a rundown of all of

(01:29:57):
the black economic battles that we have been waging since
the death of George Floyd, the political battles, the social
justice battles of crime on justice reform battles. And all
I want to know is where y'all being at Kojak.

(01:30:17):
I was there in Memphis. I was there pull a
video up April third, twenty eighteen from Mason Temple when
we broadcast live and go to the remarks of Bishop
Charles Blake. I was there in Memphis when y'all announced

(01:30:39):
a major initiative for Black America. We had the shirts.
I am a man y'all were working with. Ask me
that was seven years ago. What happened to that plan?
So y'all gonna make me do a roll call here.

(01:31:00):
So now y'all ain't being seen nowhere, y'all ain't sent
no press releases as a body, y'all ain't met with nobody.
Let me just go ahead and do this right here.
Let me just go ahead and go to Google. H

(01:31:40):
I just typed the National Baptist Convention US say go
to my iPad. I typed National Baptists to the US
say into Google. These are the most recent stories on
y'all taking the money and then y'all having an educational
confer it's in Montgomery, Okay. Then in April y'all tapping women,

(01:32:05):
tapping a woman for a key leadership role, first time
ever being installed. Then I see this story right here.
September twenty twenty four, National Baptist Convention facing turbulent times.
Then y'all's election and how that was controversy. And let
me let me see right here, huh new president, high

(01:32:27):
stakes election, national meeting. President of Black Baptist wants to
meet with Trump about how we help our poor Okay,
all right, let's see here. Okay, I'll go on President, Okay, gotcha?
All right again, I'm trying to look at I don't

(01:32:48):
see nothing. Okay. Baptist convention brings thousands to Birmingham. Okay,
all right, all right, all right, with a new leadership.
Nation's largest black protesting group confronts existential to client. Okay,
all right, let's see here. I'll going ahead. The largest
black projecy group condemns bigotry in US urged his voter turnout.

(01:33:10):
That's cute. But Jerry Young never came on this show.
I never had him on my TV one show. I
never had him on time joining. I mean, we can,
we can just keep going on and on on. I'm
sitting here, okay. Katanji Brown Jackson spoke to y'all in September.
Oh that's great, And I'm sitting here. Look, I mean,
look look at this, here, look at us here, new

(01:33:31):
National Baptist leader says we will be actively engaged in
the political arena. That's interesting because I don't recall ever
seeing any of y'all saying nothing doing nothing doing on
any black media shows. I'm sitting here and I'm going now, y'all, notice,
ain't none of these stories I'm pulling up got anything

(01:33:53):
to do with economic reform community reform. All I keep
seeing in just meetings, meetings, convening, convening meetings, meetings, convening,

(01:34:17):
convening meetings.

Speaker 15 (01:34:21):
That's all I see. So again, I need somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
The only matter of fact, the most attention y'all got
was when Gina Stewart gave a sermon at the Joint
National Baptist Convention and her sermon was taken offline and
it was a lot of controversy. I hope y'all see
what's going on here? Y'all? See in all of these stories,

(01:35:01):
it's either somebody getting elected, them meeting, or there're being
a controversy over who they elect. I don't see nothing
about an agenda for black people. I don't see nothing
about I mean all, I just y'all, this is the

(01:35:22):
news section of Google. I don't see nothing. I just
see meetings and more meetings.

Speaker 28 (01:35:33):
So do y'all now understand why people are shocked and
appalled that we ain't heard from y'all on nothing, and
all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
You taking three hundred thousand dollars from Target and announcing
your partnership and you co signing, How in how sincere
they are? Really?

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Again, I need somebody to explain to me how taking
three hundred thousand dollars that you're gonna use on senior
citizens stuff for senior citizens, scholarships and entrepreneur programs. Tell
me how far that's gonna go. The National Baptist Convention

(01:36:25):
has thirty one thousand churches, that's what they claim, y'all.
The three hundred thousand dollars in my speech on Friday,
I see that comes out the nine dollars and sixty
seven cents a church. Well, now we know they ain't
even get three hund thousand. We now know the National
Baptist Convention in USA got one hundred thousand. That means

(01:36:47):
with one hundred thousand dollars divided, whill thirty one thousand churches,
that comes out the three dollars and twenty two cents.
Hold on one second, that's three dollars twenty two cents.
That's three dollars and twenty two cents. Okay, So let

(01:37:10):
me just go ahead and do this here, National bapt
Convention USA KOJK and missionaries. Let's see that's three twenty
two per church. That's a hundred. I got two hundred,
I got three hundred, I got three fifty one two
three four five four fifty two three four five five

(01:37:35):
fifty one two three four five. That's six fifty. Okay,
I got six hundred and forty dollars right here. So
that means that for your three dollars in twenty two cents,
that means I can assist ooh, I exist by two

(01:37:58):
hundred y'all churches. How your two hun churches? Email me
and let me know who I can see A three
dollars and twenty two cents too. But see, I'm about
to really mess y'all up. I'm about to really mess
y'all up. One of the things that businesses do to

(01:38:18):
offset their tax liability is they give to charities. We're
no different. So last year, end of the year, my
accountant goes, hey, that's what you gonna pay in taxes.
I'm like, I ain't try to see Uncle Ta saying
all that money. So we then gave money of the charity.

(01:38:42):
Do y'all know that I gave charitable interest almost the
same amount of money as these three are getting from Target.
Target made a hundred and seven billion dollars last year.
We ain't made five not five million, We ain't made

(01:39:04):
five million. Y'all took three hundred thousand dollars from a
company that made one hundred and seven billion dollars. We

(01:39:27):
are demanding Target honor its commitment of two billion dollars
to black owned businesses, and y'all took three hundred thousand dollars.

(01:39:57):
If they gave an award for the worst negotiation ever,
this will qualify you talking to a company that made
one hundred and seven billion dollars and you were so

(01:40:17):
excited about three hundred thousand dollars that your ass sent
out a press release. Man, let me explain. When I
was on the board the National Association of Black Drums
be only had three times and running again. Somebody gave

(01:40:38):
us ten thousand dollars, and we had some board members
who were just excited. They just and I'm sitting there.
I mean, I'm hearing the hooplab, but I ain't really
penning on mine. And one of the board members said, Rowlan,
you were in the good news. I was like, what
they said? This company gave us ten thousan dollars And

(01:41:01):
I went okay, and they were like, what's wrong. I said,
I'm sorry, y'all think I'm about to get excited about
ten thousand dollars. I said, no, I can't. I can't
do that because it's ten thousand dollars and y'all check

(01:41:25):
this out. I then looked around the room and then
it dawned on me, the folk and who are on
the board. It probably would maybe two other people other
than me that have ever negotiated a six hundred or
six figure salary. See if you ain't never negotiated a

(01:41:49):
six figure salary, ten thousand dollars is a lot of
money to you. Not again. Willie Wilson is a great man.
He's a businessman, he's a millionaire. For lying, but I'm sorry, Willie,
three hundred thousand dollars is an abomination. If the National
Baptist Convention, if the Missionary Convention, and the coaching, if

(01:42:14):
y'all had any honor, DCC or integrity, y'all would send
that money back to target. Y'all would then apologize to
Black America for negotiating for a crumb and trying to
convince us it's a meal. And then what y'all need

(01:42:38):
to do is have your leadership. Y'all can pick the city.
It can be at your office in Nashville. It could
be in Atlanta, it could be in Florida, DC. I
don't give you damn where it is. And y'all need
to sit down with the people who are leading this boy,
and you learn how to properly leverage your influence and

(01:43:03):
your power, because that's what King did. That's what King
understood about how to leverage one's power for change. What
y'all are doing by taking three hundred thousand dollars is

(01:43:26):
you are selling out Black America. You are saying to
You are saying to corporate America that black folks can
be bought off with three hundred thousand dollars. What you
are saying to corporate America is, y'all don't need to
listen to them folks over there launching the boycott. Y'all

(01:43:51):
listen to us preachers, because we speak for the people
and we can speak more. So you give us some
much needed money, then we'll just do our own thing. Y'all.
They have no interest in sitting down with the folk

(01:44:14):
who are part of the target strategy group, not one
time this weekend if they call an email. Now, what
they did is they had some of the loud mouse
talking trash on Facebook. And as one preacher was talking,
he was trying to dog me how nobody watched my show.

(01:44:35):
It's almost six thousand people watching me right now. I
ain't even gonna say his name because he ain't that important.
I guarantee you he didn't preach to six hundred this Sunday,
but he gonna sit here and try to challenge me. Dog,
you got the wrong one. It's more than six thousand

(01:44:56):
folk listening watching me right now, and most of y'all
in the National Baptist Convention and Kojak in the Missionary
y'all ain't speaking to six thousand sitting in your pews
at that moment. Y'all. This is not right, This is

(01:45:19):
not proper. This is not how black people moved when
boycotts were launched. We did not cross the picket line
unless you were negotiating, and didn't nobody ask y'all to
negotiate nothing. Y'all better do right by us, because I'm

(01:45:47):
telling this right now, National Baptist Convention, USA. I'm telling
you this right now. Kojak, I'm telling you this right now.
Y'all think I'm leave. Y'all think I'm playing. Y'all think
I'm playing. I'm talking about all three denominations. National Missionary,

(01:46:08):
Baptist Convention of America, Kojit, and National Baplets Conention of
your America. Are us say I'm gonna hit y'all every day.
I'm gonna talk about y'all every single day. Three hundred
thousand dollars. It is estimated that black people were spending

(01:46:33):
twelve million dollars with a day in target nationally. Y'all
took three hundred thousand dollars literally, and I ain't fronting

(01:46:58):
among the groups involved in the boycott. We could have
easily sent y'all three hundred thousand dollars. If y'all need
the money that bad, we could have sent you all
the money. But here's what I don't understand. How are

(01:47:20):
you the National Baptist Convention in the USA. You got
thirty one thousand church as you claim you got seven
point five million members, and you broke because you don't
take three hundred thousand and split it three ways. If
you ain't broke, because if your cut is one hundred thousand,
that ain't nothing. That's awful. It's absolutely awful. Here's a

(01:47:46):
little bit a Pastor Jamal Bryant speaking at newbarth Missionan
Baptist Church on yesterday. Then I'm gonna talk to need
a turner right after this split.

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
For the last eighteen weeks, we've been boycotton Target and
said there's no way in the world we go in
into Target, where black people were spending twelve million dollars
a day.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
We said to Target, you gotta do four.

Speaker 8 (01:48:10):
Things in order for us to walk into that store.
Is that you gotta invest two hundred and fifteen million
dollars in the black banks. Number two, you gotta honor
what you said the George Floyd family and invest two
billion dollars in the black business.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Number three, you got twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:48:29):
Seven of these stores on white campuses, but not one
at an HBCU. You are to partner with six hbcuser
with their business programs so that young people will be
able to scale their business and do a national franchiser.
We said to you that you gotta reimagine with DEI Ears,

(01:48:52):
and absolutely six weeks sixteen weeks later, you didn't deliver
to us, even after we met your stock drop, even
after the CEO salary was cut by forty two percent,
even after you lost twelve billion.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Dollars in valuation.

Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
But you thought you was gonna go around me and
go to the National Baptist Convention and these sail out
for three.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Hundred and thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:49:21):
Are you crazy to think that we gonna sell out
for chump chaye?

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
You must not know who we are. Why five they
is rich and the houses in Land.

Speaker 8 (01:49:41):
In nineteen sixty one. In nineteen sixty one, the National
Baptist Convention was meeting, and they did not want to
support a young preacher from Georgia named Mountin Luther King.
They said, you speaking too loud about civil rights. We
don't want you to do all of that. Just preach
and sit down, don't march, don't make a stand, don't

(01:50:02):
challenge the government.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
And as a consequence, Doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:50:05):
Martin Luther King Junior and Gardiner Tailor walked out of
that church and started the Progressive Baptist Convention. Where we
come in full circle. And I need you to know
it wasn't just the National Baptist of America. It was
also the National Baptist of USA. It was also the
Missionary Baptist. It was also the Church of God in Christ.

(01:50:28):
And the three hundred thousand dollars was not per institution.
They gave them niggros seventy five thousand dollars for them
to just sit down and roll it over.

Speaker 5 (01:50:41):
Not me. Jack.

Speaker 8 (01:50:42):
I called the president of the National Baptist Convention. I said, Rev.
We can't go out like that. We are selling ourselves shot.
He said, Jamal, give me a couple of days, let
me get the board together.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
I said, Brent, you can get your board together. But
Sunday morning going to.

Speaker 8 (01:51:00):
The mic and I got to say something, and you
got to give me something to work with, he said,
Pastor Bryant, give me a.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Couple of days and I would do it. I said,
you got one week.

Speaker 8 (01:51:12):
To send me in writing that the Baptist Convention stands
with the boycott, stands with the oppress, stands with the marginalized,
stands with the nameless and faceless people who are on
the front line. Seventy five thousand dollars Baptist Convention.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
I write you a check.

Speaker 8 (01:51:33):
You can't sell yourself out for seventy five fives.

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
Something has got a break.

Speaker 8 (01:51:51):
Over the last couple of weeks, Target been playing in
my face, been hiring the internet influences to go online,
apples and artists and athletes to play, and the broadcast outside.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Of Target and in Target thinking we.

Speaker 8 (01:52:07):
Ain't gonna say nothing, but you ain't got to talk
directly to me. All you got to do is watch
the rerun of the Color Purple until.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
You do right by me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Nothing you do is gonna work.

Speaker 8 (01:52:22):
We will break Target, We will break Dollar General, and
we will break any company.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
That done honor high dignity. Why they trying to take
our dollar? The devil is alive. Something gotta break.

Speaker 8 (01:52:47):
I do not have ayre with the Black Church because
I recognize the fingerprints of Satanic principality.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
It is the intention of the enemy for us to
fight each other. I am not.

Speaker 8 (01:53:04):
Declaring war on any of those Baptist conventions. I am
declaring war of the spirit of division. Come on, y'all,
ain't say nothing to me. White supremacy takes delight at
us fighting one another. But if we learn how to
stand together as one, we are a undefeatable force.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
The old Nigro spiritual was walk together. Children. Don't you
get weary?

Speaker 8 (01:53:33):
Do you understand how powerful we would be if black
people would just stick together and.

Speaker 4 (01:53:40):
Stop stabbing each other in the back and love with.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Love of Jesus Christ. Fu Jilly right now, Nina Turner,
she's a founder of we Are Somebody. You know we
are Somebody dot org. They put this graphic here, I
go to my iPad or I put them on blast
Friday of the those black denominations. After that, pressly is

(01:54:05):
they put this on social media, their handlers strike for
all that the target boycott continues.

Speaker 13 (01:54:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
And I made this point. I'm a made it again
and make it again. And they people understand that Jamal
Bryant is not the leader of the target boycott. Nina
Turner is not the leader of the target boycott. Tamika
Mallory is not the leader of the target boycott. Nakima
Levy Armstrong is not the leader of the boycott. These
are all individuals who are part of the target boycott.

Speaker 13 (01:54:35):
UH.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
And that's important, Nina, because we understand how folk have
to work together because one group, one organization, of one
denomination that can't do it. But when when when? And
I guess people do different things. And so Nakima and
her group in Minneapolis are doing their thing, You, Tamika
and Jamal are doing y'all think, and other folks are

(01:54:57):
doing their thing. But what cannot happen is when you
have these groups go meeting under the guys that they
represent millions of black people, negotiating on behalf of black people,
and they ain't talked to black people.

Speaker 13 (01:55:14):
That's exactly right, ro I mean, just listening to your soliloquy,
you laying it out between you and Pastor Brian, I
mean I was just hopefully your crew don't think I'm crazy,
because I was amening and almost shouting. We got to
tell the truth, and we have to expose this now.
Anybody can be redeemed. And I am hoping that the
National Baptist Convention USA and all the others who are

(01:55:36):
involved in this will have a moment, you know, an
epiphany moment and ask for that forgiveness.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
As you said, I mean you all up in my notes.

Speaker 13 (01:55:43):
I feel the same way that they should apologize to
the Black community, give that money back, and join forces
with us so that we can be a greater and
stronger force. Your point about this movement is much bigger
than any one individual. You will certainly the spark was
led by certain individuals, but the movement itself wouldn't be

(01:56:06):
as successful as it is in terms of what Reverend
doctor Jamal Bryant enumerted in terms of the CEO cuts,
the traffic cuts, the stock.

Speaker 5 (01:56:17):
All of that.

Speaker 13 (01:56:18):
That is because millions of people in this country, sparked
by black people, have decided that they are not going
to go to Target. And so this is a grassroots
bubbling up all across this country.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
Yeah. And the thing here is that people have again understand,
no boycott is successful successful without the people, uh none.
So you need the people. So if you make a
move like the National Baptist Convension in USA, like Kojik,

(01:56:53):
like the Missionary a Group of America, then you need
the people, not one person, not a couple of folks
negotiating on what authority are you actually negotiating on? Behalf
of the people. What offends me is the statement they
put out talking about you got three hundred thousand and

(01:57:14):
how you're gonna use that for to help senior citizens,
scholarships and entrepreneuri programs. When the very boycott is about
advocating for existing black owned businesses. You don't need to
go create an entrepreneuri program when there's one right now.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
There were also a program that's gonna run out of money.

Speaker 13 (01:57:34):
I mean, as you said, even before you divide it,
that three hundred thousand dollars really comes up to really nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
One hundred thousand dollars of denomination.

Speaker 13 (01:57:44):
It's worse than Judas and the thirty pieces of silver.
I mean, at least Judas even got a little more
than what they've gotten. But even if we put that aside,
three hundred thousand dollars for the type of programs that
you're naming is not enough. We're trying to build generational
wealth here, not the penny here and a penny there.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
It really makes no sense whatsoever that they would do that,
b Bro you and doctor Brian, you, the y'all and
took it to the streets.

Speaker 13 (01:58:11):
It is my hope that this does not become a
personality driven that the people involved in this will understand
that they made a mistake. As for forgiveness, Let's get
redemption and let's come together and do something real for
our people in Congo.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
That's why I read what King said on April third,
nineteen sixty eight, when he talked about how we must
move as a collective, how we must work together, and
how we must practice economic withdrawal. Y'all me, y'all mean

(01:59:00):
all right? You almost okay? Keep talking all right, y'all
will figure out. I'm a Congo figures audio. Kelly, you
can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
Kelly?

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Yeah, I can hear you, Kelly. I'll pose that question
to you. Go ahead, sure, So, I.

Speaker 7 (01:59:15):
Mean you said so much, right, But at the end
of the day, I just feel like they didn't even
get off cheap. They just re enslaved themselves, right, because
exactly what does three hundred K get you? When I
know a church mother that spends that on a half
of convocation in Kojit. Right, you know, the economic value

(01:59:35):
today of the five.

Speaker 5 (01:59:37):
Lows and two fish is worth more than the three
hundred k. You know. And I'm not even trying to
be funny or.

Speaker 7 (01:59:42):
Facetious, like I literally see more money on ten people
max at one of these conventions. You spend more on
that on speakers at your conventions and your and your
gatherings and your conferences. Right, it doesn't nothing about this

(02:00:03):
makes sense unless I'm missing a plot that was not
in that press release.

Speaker 5 (02:00:07):
Right.

Speaker 7 (02:00:08):
They again, like Pastor Bryan said, you know, you got
to give me something to work with before I call
you out. And they haven't said anything yet. It's it's
been a week, you know, Like it's it's sad.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
It is sad that you think that we can be
bought that easily, if at all. Right, Like, I know
a lot of people. I was not much of a
Target person, but I know a lot.

Speaker 29 (02:00:35):
Of people who religiously went to Target to shop and
have actively avoided Target for the reasons that you have
stated that Pastor Jamal Bryant have stated that many others
who have been advocating for this boycott have stated and
now one of those reasons.

Speaker 7 (02:00:54):
Did the NBC lineup right? They didn't mention any of
those things in the press release.

Speaker 5 (02:01:02):
Not really.

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
You know, they gave us a lot of lip service,
a lot of shallow sermons, speak as if that was
going to speak to a spirit of resilience and rebellion
and justice. And for them to think that this is
going to slide, it is insulting to those who go
to church. It is insulting to Christians, it is insulting to.

Speaker 29 (02:01:25):
Everybody who who advocate for this boycott.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
OM in Congo Kojik has twelve thousand members. The National
Missionary Baptist Convention of America they got three hundred, so
if you add them all up, that's forty three thousand,
three hundred churches. The amount of money they got comes
out to six dollars and ninety two cents per church.
Come on, now, there's nothing real or such om Congo.

(02:01:54):
Do you realize that I started this show with three
hundred and fifty thousand In my own mind, I started
this show with more money than they got from Target.

Speaker 16 (02:02:03):
Then, come on, dog, you know you can tell your
supporters sin just write that check to six Bucks to
send it out.

Speaker 5 (02:02:11):
To these different churches and they'll be fine.

Speaker 16 (02:02:14):
I mean, the fact that the National Baptist Convention feels
like they can do this to us just kind of
throw the wool over our hass and the fact that
Target thinks that they can do this. I'm so happy
that this has been sustained. I remember when Cintinina came
on the show to talk about the organization of her
aspect of the boycott. And they just think that we're
going to do stuff temporarily. They think that we're going

(02:02:34):
to break They don't realize what they have activated, and
they feel like they can go to you know, various
people take a picture here and there, have the influencers
and so on and so forth. Going off with Kelly's
point like Target was my favorite store. I was that dude,
And part of it was because they didn't main commitment
to diversity. Now I drive past two Targets every day
and then what I'm doing right now, and so in

(02:02:56):
the Astional Baptist Convention and these other churches, they got
to come around because some of their own members got
to be speaking up, some of their own members got
to be seeing this and Target, you know, just just
straight up shame on you, because in every way, shape
or form, you are showing how unserious you were about
your commitment to DEI once Trump got in, which basically
shows that you were never committed in the first place.

(02:03:17):
Because if you're not going to practice your values when
they get challenged, they're not values their hobbies. And so
you just thought that, oh, I'll just be cool with
down with diversity right now and then say it comes
with someone else comes along, I'm going to change my strategy.

Speaker 5 (02:03:28):
Now.

Speaker 16 (02:03:28):
You better get back in line because so many of
us are going to keep falling out of line with you.
And I also thank you Roland for putting all of
these churches on other groups and individuals nice because you
put this out on Friday. I was watching your feeds.
I haven't seen a single other news outlet cover this
up until this point.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
Ni of this is real simple. First of all, this
same personal, the same personal against nobody and either one
of those conventions. This is a people thing. This is
a trust thing. This is a credibility thing. How in
the world, How in the world can a national boycott

(02:04:08):
be launched? Target has acknowledged the boycott has impacted its sales,
its stock price, all of these things. And these so
called black again, these black religious leaders who are not

(02:04:28):
black business leaders. They decide we're gonna go meet with
Target and we work it on a three to five
year community revival plan. The revival plan is already there.
Put black products on your shelves, spend two billion annually

(02:04:50):
with black folks, support of put retail centers at HBC,
used depositive in black banks. I'm sorry, what exact what
agenda do y'all have that's greater than that one? I
would love to see.

Speaker 13 (02:05:08):
I don't know, bro, And you know another point to
reimagine diversity, equity and inclusion.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
And they really going against Target right now.

Speaker 13 (02:05:16):
They would rather go around and spend all this money,
time and energy to go around the leaders. When I
say leaders, those of us who sparked the national boycott.

Speaker 5 (02:05:28):
We certainly are not the fire, but the spark.

Speaker 13 (02:05:30):
Rather than to do the right thing, not only are
they show not only have the Baptist National Baptist a
Convention and others who are involved.

Speaker 5 (02:05:41):
It's sloppy and it's sad, and they don't have to
recreate it. We already know. And then what you're gonna
do with three hundred thousand dollars. You can't do anything.
You have illustrated that others. There was a young man
on the Instagram.

Speaker 13 (02:05:54):
I think I forgot who sent that to us, but
he was breaking it down to a lot of the
butt people.

Speaker 5 (02:06:00):
Black community are really upset.

Speaker 13 (02:06:01):
They feel betrayed, and so these religious leaders if they
want to stay true and have any type of integral
or regain integrity and credibility, they are gonna have to
apologize and come around. But don't sell black people out.
And the point about Target, how dare you? But they
gonna learn today? You know they're saying they're gonna f

(02:06:23):
around and find out. They are going to learn today
that these tricks are not going to work. They did
the same thing when they went to go see Mama
Dee bro the Lord's hurta of the esteem of activists
in the civil rights movement on the Hispanic side out
in California.

Speaker 5 (02:06:41):
They did this CEO flew in to see.

Speaker 13 (02:06:43):
Her and try to divide and conquer her as.

Speaker 19 (02:06:47):
A Hispanic woman from the black community, and she told
them to kick rocks. Now, if the Lord is HURTA
could tell Target to kick Rocks wants.

Speaker 13 (02:06:58):
The CEO flew in, he flew all around, got to Bryant,
he flew all around to Meeka Mallory flew all around
me and went straight to Mama D and a meeting
with her to try to get her on his side.
And she told him the black community is leading this boycott,

(02:07:22):
and you got to go.

Speaker 5 (02:07:23):
See one of them three folks.

Speaker 13 (02:07:25):
Not only did he do that, he tried to claim
that our Hispanic sisters and brothers, or maybe they are.
He said, the Hispanic sisters and brothers are spending more
money in Target, and so therefore we should be attentive
to you guys than to black folks.

Speaker 5 (02:07:42):
And Mama D's daughter said to them that black.

Speaker 13 (02:07:47):
Folks, who are the descendants of enslaved people, deserve much more.

Speaker 5 (02:07:54):
See they couldn't so so I'm trying to understand this.

Speaker 13 (02:07:57):
If Mama D and her daughter his say that to
the president of Target, but you got black religious leaders
who sold out for three hundred thousand dollars. You have
folks in the lgbt Q plus community and the Pride
getting fifty thousand dollars a year from Target. These small
organizations said we don't want your money.

Speaker 5 (02:08:19):
They broke the covenant. They said, we don't want your money.

Speaker 13 (02:08:22):
But yet you have black religious leaders with conventions that
span millions of people and they can't even stand up
to these folks. It's some wrong ro and it is
an abomination against the past, the president in the future
because that is how we as black people must move. However,
there is redemption, so they apologize and reset this table.

Speaker 5 (02:08:48):
Bro it ain't over. They can do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:50):
Yeah, again and again, it's not. Look, I have no
problem having them come on the show. We can talk
about it, we can walk through it. They need to
be sitting down with leadership behind this boycott and as
a part of that sending the money back. Send the money.
And here's the whole deal. If you the National Baptist

(02:09:13):
Convention in USA, and if you Kojik and if you
are if you are the National Missionary Baptist Convension, if
y'all need the money, we will take up an offering. Hey,
if y'all need the three hundred thousand, the Fun Operations

(02:09:35):
will take up an offering if that's what y'all need.
But just be honest, if you just say, y'all, we
broke that's the whole real deal there. Now, I'm gonna
deal with this tomorrow. I want to go ahead and
show this real quick. I got this late today and
we are gonna deal with this tomorrow. Forty former go

(02:09:58):
to my iPad. Former forty former McDonald black McDonald franchise
operators are aligning with the call to boycott McDonald's. And
so it says more than forty black former franchisees are
suing the fast food giant over discriminatory practices and policies

(02:10:19):
that forced them out of the system. We're going to
be talking with them on Wednesday show. So we're just
going to keep keep you all abreast of that and
so and McDonald's is also McDonald's is also one of
those companies that renegged on their commitment, their DEI commitments.
They made some commitments to black OneD media when we
were talking with them, and it was a lot of

(02:10:41):
back and forth, and I had black franchisees who was
speaking on my behalf and others with a black OneD
media alliance, and we were supposed to do a three
year advertising commitment McDonald's. It lasted just one year. Then
they were like, well that was just it. It was
kind of like, well, hold up, that's supposed to be
three years. So all of that. And trust me, we

(02:11:03):
know McDonald's market share of black folks. We know how
much McDonald's black people eat. So this is so Nina.
Last point here that I need and I don't want.

Speaker 5 (02:11:14):
To forget this, you know.

Speaker 13 (02:11:16):
And I want to thank you too for your incredible
courage to call you know, to call this out right
on the spot. And although you're not making it personal,
some of the preachers whose feelings are hurt. I won't
say all, but the guy who came after you, like
you said, we won't mention his name and try to
malign you, and you know all.

Speaker 5 (02:11:35):
That that that that kind of stuff ain't cool.

Speaker 13 (02:11:37):
You know, he could say listen, I don't agree, but no,
he did try to make it personal. And some of
these people are trying to make it personal.

Speaker 5 (02:11:44):
So I just want to shout you out as a
colleague and a.

Speaker 13 (02:11:47):
And a revolutionary for you not being afraid to call
them out because it has to be done, and and
and and and the other point about the celebrities better
get a clue now.

Speaker 5 (02:12:02):
If they don't know what's going on, they need to
pick up the phone too, But.

Speaker 13 (02:12:05):
It is absolutely embarrassing what they're doing as well, and
they got a lot of money and they still gonna
sell out their community. We need more Muhammad A Lei
type celebrities.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Well, well, we need some Guina Simone, Nina Simons, Ruby
d Ossi, Davis Dick, Gregory, Hair Belafonte, Diane Carroll. We
need more Sidney Poitiers and and on the white side,
more Tony Bennett's, more James Donners. I mean, it's so
it's folks that John bias, so we can go there

(02:12:38):
as well.

Speaker 13 (02:12:38):
But see folks in Sarando and Danny Glover, who's still
you know, these people are still here doing I mean,
making sacrifices ro and then we see them making videos
inside and outside of target like this is cool.

Speaker 5 (02:12:51):
We look weak, we look cheap, we look it's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
Actually, And what I want to do here, I do
want is a couple of posts I want to show.
Give me one second, y'all, because I just remembered I
had these, and you've had some other preachers who have
been willing to willing to stand up, willing who made statements,
posted these various things which are important. I'm gonna read

(02:13:17):
this one right here. This is a pastor Dwight mckissic.
He is out of Arlington, Texas, and this is what
he posted on Facebook. He said, the National Baptist Convention
needs to seek common ground with Roland Martin and Jamal Bryant,
not battleground, he said, target, he said. He said target

(02:13:39):
not only the reverse their prior affirmative affirmative VEEI policies,
but that's reneged on fulfilling a two billion dollar pledge
towards economic development in the black business community. History shouldn't
record at the National Baptist Convention circumvented a two billion
dollar pledge in exchange for three hundred thousand dollars. What's
at stake? The positive two hundred and fifty million dollars

(02:14:01):
twenty three black on banks, establishment of ten retail training
centers at HBCUs, A full restoration of recommitment to DEI
practices and principles, A fulfillment of target, keeping their two
big nillar pledge. Standing together, we can make it happen.
Splintering we lose. I would hope that calmer minds would
prevail and brethren will dwell together in unity and not

(02:14:21):
care who gets the credit, but work towards a strategy
where we all win, not just some win who are
willing to settle for crumbs from a rich man's table.
The NBC needs to rethink their strategy attempted to discredit
and devalue a distinguished, black, independent and highly effective journalist,
and not work in harmony towards fulfilling a broader vision

(02:14:43):
that could produce a much greater harvest and benefit the masses,
rather than a minimal amount that would have minimal impact.
MLK had a much broader vision and impacted the masses.
So should the NBC.

Speaker 5 (02:15:00):
Hey man, bro what about the one where it was
what about twenty preachers?

Speaker 12 (02:15:04):
You got that one?

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
Yeah, so you've had yet another group. Let me pull
that up, a group of pastors that released their statement
with regards to all of this. Let me find that.

Speaker 5 (02:15:19):
Thanks sitting row.

Speaker 13 (02:15:20):
While I'm looking for that, I want to say the
Freedom budget for all Americans with you and I talked
about briefly.

Speaker 5 (02:15:26):
You know, that's something worth holding on to.

Speaker 13 (02:15:28):
ASA, Philip Randolph, the Reverend, doctor Martin Luther, King, Jingi
and Bayard rusting people understanding that part of the civil
rights movement is calculus. Was not just voting rights and
not just civil rights, but it was economic rights and
viability and respect and Beayyard are the architects of the
Freedom Budget.

Speaker 5 (02:15:45):
For All Americans. I want our folks, your viewers to
go and look it up.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
It was a.

Speaker 13 (02:15:50):
Masterpiece to eradicate poverty in ten years in the United
States of America from nineteen sixty six, from nineteen sixty
six to nineteen seven twenty six. Next year will be
the sixtieth year anniversary of the architect of one of
the greatest economic plans that this country's ever seen in

(02:16:11):
terms of black folks not only looking out for themselves,
but looking out for everybody else.

Speaker 5 (02:16:15):
They are.

Speaker 13 (02:16:16):
Rustlin once said that this country never has another will
do anything solely for the negro.

Speaker 5 (02:16:20):
This is why we call it the Freedom Budget for
All Americans.

Speaker 13 (02:16:24):
It was to gain racial justice for black folks and
economic justice for all folks.

Speaker 5 (02:16:32):
Those are the kinds of things row that.

Speaker 13 (02:16:34):
We need to be coming together fighting for so that
the National Baptist Convention and other religious institutions, and also
our businesses are not vulnerable to a tax like this
because we are building up a solid wealth base.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
Absolutely I want to read two more here. This is
from briannas Mitchell as of This is from Facebook, as
the former chairman of the Board of Directors of the
NBA eight, I want to warmly welcome and express my
genuine excitement about the transformative changes curingly taking place without
a convention. He makes some other different statements, he said,
but I'm concerned that this week, during the Congress of

(02:17:11):
Christian Education, the National Baptist Convention in USA accepted a
donation a few hundred thousand dollars from TARGET. While such
partnerships can offer valuable resources for our mission, it's important
to critically examine the implications of accepting funds from corporation's
influence by political policies that may conflict with our values.
Target's recent policy adjustments, particularly in the context of the

(02:17:34):
Trump administration's DEI directives, raise questions about corporate motives and commitments.
As a faith based organization rooted in principles of justice
and integrity, we must ask ourselves that's accepting this contribution
aligned with our long term mission and ethical standards. We
should approach such partnerships with discernment, ensuring that our financial

(02:17:56):
support is not inadvertly endorsed policies or practices that undermine
the very communities we serve. Our focus must remain on
authentic advocacy, social justice, and fostering meaningful change, values that
are not solely measured by molnetary support. The recent customer
backlash against Target Steamers primarily from the company's decision to

(02:18:19):
scale back its diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. This shift,
included determination of programs supporting black employees and black owned businesses,
is a retreat from their commitment to racial justice and
community empowerment. Such actions raise critical questions about corporate accountability
and the alignment of business practices with social responsibility. We

(02:18:40):
cannot speak truth to power and then have our hands
out for those very powers that continue to suppress and
oppress our people. True leadership requires consistency and integrity, standing
boldly against injustice while also holding ourselves accountable to the
principles we uphold. If we are committed to and the
liberation of our communities, our actions must reflect those values

(02:19:04):
at every level. Only then can we genuinely foster the
change and empowerment our people deserve. Now, there was a
letter that Nina was referencing and this is it right here.
Black clergy response to Target's attempt to silent Target Fast.
The Black Church is not for sale. We are deeply
disappointed that a myth of success of Target Fast, which

(02:19:26):
is contributed to a ten percent drop in foot traffic
and a significant decline in Target stock value, Target has
attempted to purchase the Black Church's silence with a three
hundred thousand dollars payment to the National Batist Convention in USA.
Equally unacceptable is a decision by the National Baptist Convention
in USA, one of the nation's largest African American church denominations,
to accept this payment. Their willingness to serve as a

(02:19:49):
conduit for corporate damage control, without transparency, without consulting the
broader faith community, and without securing systemic commitments from Target,
represents a betrayal of profitted responsibility. Accepting a check while
the larger Black community is engaged in principal protests is
not partnership. It is complicity. In response to the attack

(02:20:11):
on public and private diversity, equity and inclusion programs, Target
withdrew its two billion dollar commitment to Black community economic
development made in twenty twenty following the murder of George Floyd,
the Black faith community responded with a forty day linten
season Target Fast. Target's action signals to corporations that our
institutions can be cheaply bought, that a fraction of a

(02:20:33):
fraction of what promise can purchase, silence from some of
our most trusted voices, that it is not only morally troubling,
it is strategically disastrous. The impact of Target's withdrawal runs
deep and includes sowing distrust of Black clergy, loss of
billions of equity dollars, economic development, educational advancement, and other opportunities.

(02:20:55):
Instead of engaging in meaningful dialogue or on committing or
commune to long term measurable change, Target has resorted to
a familiar route, divide and conquer. This transparent attempt to
undermine the credibility of the Black Church will not succeed,
as Black Church leaders pledge to escalate what was a

(02:21:17):
forty day target Fast into a year round campaign until
justice is done. The prophetic tradition of the Black Church
is not for sale. Let us be clear, this is
not just about economics. It is about equity, integrity, and
the responsibility of corporate power to answer to communities that
have long sustained it. The Black Economic Fast is not

(02:21:40):
a call for charity, It is a demand for change.
The fast continues. We stand in unity, committed to keeping
the main theme the main theme. We urge faith leaders,
consumers and community advocates to remain vigilant, unified in unwavering
and purpose. Do not be swayed by symbolic gestures. Join
us in holding corporations accountable, not just in words, but

(02:22:04):
in measurable actions. And the signers right here you will
see Reverend Tracy Blackman, Reverend doctor j Amos Brown, Reverend
doctor Jamal Harrison Bryant, Doctor Iva Carruthers, Bishop Leo Daltry,
Reverend doctor Cynthia Hall, Bishop Bashtim McKenzie, Pastor Michael McBride,
Bishop Rudolph McKissick, Reverend doctor Frederick Douglas Hayes, the Third,

(02:22:25):
Bishop w Darren Moore, Reverend doctor Otis master I, Reverend T.
DeWitt Smith, Junior Reverend doctor Gina Stewart, Bishop Talbert Swan,
Reverend doctor Jacqueline Thompson, Reverend Mark Thompson, and Reverend doctor
Barbara William Skinner. Those are the preachers that sign this
particular statement here. And the last point that I will

(02:22:46):
make is that you saw me when I read there
where Bishop Kimbern said that Reverendctor Kimber said that he
wanted to meet with Trump. Their attacks on the poor,
their agenda on the poor. Okay, So here's the question
that I have. This is the question that I have

(02:23:09):
for the National Missionary Baptist Convention. This is the question
that I have for kojk Uh. And this is the
question that I have. Let's see here, I'm just gonna
pull him up. So this here is the leader of
the National Missionary Baptist Convention of America, Reverend Doctor Anthony Sharp.

Speaker 13 (02:23:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
He is out of he is out of He went
to Bishop uh and so he's out of Texas. So
that's Reverend doctor Anthony Sharp. So we are shall pull
up the leader of National Baptist Convention. This is a
Boyce Kimber. You had the video. Pull his video up. Please,
I'm doing this for a reason, that's what that's who

(02:23:54):
he is. And so then you have, of course, you
have the Church of God in Christ. They're one of
the other three that actually received the other three that
actually received this money go to my iPad A jay.
The presiding bishop of a Church of God in Christ
is J. Drew Sheard, presiding Bishop in chief apostle, and

(02:24:18):
so he leaves the church. So here's the question I
have for the three of them, Since they chose to
accept this money from Target, since they chose to say
this stand, I'm gonna have a black people. Here's my question,
Bishop Shared, Bishop Sharp, pastor Kimber. Are we gonna see

(02:24:41):
three of y'all next Monday? Go to my iPad. Are
y'all gonna come to Washington, d C? As the leaders
of three of these denominations. Now, are you going to
stand with Bishop, Bishop William Barber and a poor People's
campaign in repairs of the breach as they have their
moral mondays in d See, to stand against this bill

(02:25:02):
that attacks the poor, that attacks the disenfranchised and enriches
the wealthy. Are y'all going to send statements of support
saying you staying with Bishop Barber against this so called
big beautiful bill that is a big beautiful lie. I
have yet to see the National Baptist Convention issue a
statement against this document that is anti poor. I've yet

(02:25:26):
to see Kojic I get to see a statement if
y'all did somebody email it to me the Missionary Convention,
I ain't seen y'all's either, So if y'all could send
out a press release on getting targets money, I want
to know or y'all gonna stand with Bishop Barber, because
we're gonna be broadcasting live next Monday from the Capitol

(02:25:48):
across from the Supreme Court. So I want to know
where are these church leaders, these denomination leaders when it
comes to this bill that has a negative impact on
the poor and working class folks in this country. That's
what I want to know, Nina. And I'm waiting to see.

Speaker 5 (02:26:06):
Amen. Hey, I'm a church girl.

Speaker 13 (02:26:09):
When the sermon had been preached, Amen, Amen, and Amen,
redemption is possible and they need to come on and
jump on this and get redeemed real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
All they gotta do is call an email, but then
be clear if you don't and if you're staying by this,
the heat will continue. And I wasn't planning Friday when
I said I'll show up at your churches and walk

(02:26:39):
right and sit on the front row to look you
in the eye and say, how dare you sell out
black people? And the worst of our man Joe Morton
from Scandal. Don't make me angry, Nina, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:26:59):
I appreciate thank you. Thanks a bond sheep working, Thank you,
thank you, Thank you, folks.

Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
That is it for us. Tomorrow we're going to have
for you the recap of the Virginia Democrats of the
Commonwealth gala tomorrow. We'll also talk about, of course, the
boycott big called for when it comes to McDonald's. It's
a whole lot going on. I just want black people
to remember, y'all, we got power. We got the ability
to change things. We got the ability to move folks

(02:27:24):
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