Jacksonville Cops beat Black Man, BlackPAC Trump Poll, Visa Fraud Scheme, Malcolm-Jamal Warner Dies

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Today's Monday, July twenty first, twenty twenty five, coming up
on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Start
Network social media. Shocked and stunned over a video out
of Jacksonville, Florida where a black man is snatched out
of his car beaten by cops overhead lights not being
on at four pm in the afternoon. We'll talk with

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Harry Daniels, the attorney representing the family of this young man.
It is a shocking story that's led now to an investigation. Also,
Newpoleon from Blackpack shows how black folks feel about Donald Trump,
but also at the Democratic Party. Adrian Shropshire of Blackpack
woild join us on today's show. So the university. He
has expelled Omega Sci Fi from its campus after the

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death of someone who is pledging the organization. Will tell
you about that. Plus four law enforcement officials, including three
sheriffs in Louisiana arrested by the FEDS for yeah corruption,
We're taking kickbacks from undocumented immigrants and jen xers. Shocked

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and stunned over the drowning death of the Cosby Show
star Malcolm Jamal Warner. Folks, and lastly, Donald Trump's trying
to get us to stop paying attention to Jeffrey Epstein.
So what do they do today? They release files regarding
the Reverend dot and Martin Luther King Junior. His family responds,

(01:44):
it's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling marked on
filter on the black Shot network. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Believe he's right on top, and best believe he's going
putting it down from this Boston news to politics with entertainment,
just bookcakes. He's going some growing up.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's strolling Monte rowing with rolling.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
He's Poky's prest She's real good question, No, he's rolling.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Montant When when he pulled me over, he walked up
over my dog in my window?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Don't work right?

Speaker 6 (02:47):
And then he I said, I said, so what I
did wrong? He said, well, for one, uh, your headlights
are off under this weather. I'm like, there's multiple people
headlights off, and then and then there's and then then.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
There's no rain.

Speaker 8 (03:01):
It doesn't matter, you're snowing. Card to have herd bikes on.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
Can you can't you pull that law up? Can you
pull that long out?

Speaker 8 (03:07):
When you stop out of the car, I will can.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
You pull that Can you call your supervisor. Can you
call your supervisor?

Speaker 9 (03:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Girl for it?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's to the vehicle.

Speaker 9 (03:19):
Now, that's to the vehicle. Show me your hands here,
I'm here.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
What is your reason say step out? What is your reason?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Stop out?

Speaker 8 (03:35):
Now?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
All right?

Speaker 10 (03:38):
Don't up the.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Crown behind your back?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now?

Speaker 8 (03:55):
Man?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Ain't no talking?

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Said brother?

Speaker 11 (03:58):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
What's going on?

Speaker 12 (03:59):
Man?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (04:02):
A lawful night center too.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm gonna like that, bro.

Speaker 8 (04:10):
Yeah, I'm off there man, yeah, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Just trying to hell A regular guy was making him.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Asking this step out of vehicle. He said, I've done
that ship.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
So your partner didn't even ask pocket yes?

Speaker 9 (04:25):
So why close the door if you see him putting up?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Because? Man, what do you mean? He talked about resting
me and stuff.

Speaker 13 (04:31):
Bro, I didn't do that, resisting idiot.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I didn't do nothing wrong with Barton.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Can't back me up to the corsacle mean up?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Shut up, young man. William McNeil junior. That took place
in Jacksonville, Florida. UH. That video has spread like wildfire
all across social media. The Jacksonville, UH folks, they have
law enforcement there. They've launched an investigation into what happened.

Speaker 14 (04:57):
There.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Joining us right now is Harry Daniels. He represents McNeil. Herry.
Glad to have you back on the show. Unfortunately, it's
always when it comes to one of these stories and
what the hell here? I'm confused. So when you hear
him on the video, first of all, why I can
get to that. The cops always give one story, then

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the video tells another story. So they do a report
saying they claim they saw a weapon a knife, but
in the video tell him put his hands up. He
puts his hands up, He asked for a supervisor, and
they proceed to bust the windshield. So what was the
logic behind this? They were saying that he didn't have

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his head lights on in this kind of weather. Was
it storming, was it cloudy?

Speaker 8 (05:45):
Was it raining?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Was it a hurricane? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (05:50):
Thanks rolland for having me on.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
I mean, obviously unfortunate circumstances while I'm here, but thanks
for having this song.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
Big prompt. Myself represent mister neil and mcdil family.

Speaker 9 (06:00):
Matter the lawn Florida states that if it's raining, fog
or smoke and.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
Then you're required to have your head lamps on rolling.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
It was not raining, It was not foggy, nor was
it smoking, so he was not pared to have his
headlight head lamps on. In fact, just recently, the JSO
Sheriffall was just released body camera footage. They just released
him in the last thirty minutes and it clearly showed
it was not raining, foggy, or smoking. So the star
was absolutely unlawful, unjustified, unjustified. I mean I can we

(06:32):
can expand all day the Knights that he had played
no part in it. The video tells the exact story.
The sheriff position is that you know, it doesn't tell
the whole story.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
It do. It tells the entire story. Mister McNeil clearly.

Speaker 9 (06:48):
Was complying with them and asking for a supervisor because
he believed what they told him why he was stopped
was a lie and not true.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
It was a lie.

Speaker 9 (06:57):
In fact, the elements on the video shows it was
not rainy, foggy, or smoking. So he's now a concern,
very afraid of why an officer has pulled him over
and told him he's pulling them over something that he
did not do. So first thing, we got to look
at the stop and then unloffice stop. The next thing,
he's answering for a supervisor. He's clearly answered for a

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supervisor to come out to the scene. That's plaining it
to him. These officers were not hearing it. They broke
his window, punched him in his face, pulled him out
the car, had him at gunpoint.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
Apparently what's been told by Kline. He was held at gunpoint.
We didn't see that video that they.

Speaker 9 (07:39):
Released, pulled him out of the car, punched him in
the face again, slammed him on the ground, and beat
him while he was on the ground. Base McNeil suffered
from a nine stitches, his tooth went through his lip,
a closed head injury, memory loss. Then the next day
he goes a chord and the tares of the uh.

(08:02):
The light, the seatbelt was dismissed, a small mat of marijuan.
They had his bike and was dismissed, and they said,
and you plead guilty to resisting and driving all without
a light, driver's license. All of this for this young
man to be beaten the way he was beating and rolling,
what it shows is exactly what America we is. You know,

(08:22):
you try to justify these acts, and you wonder why
we keep coming on this show. While me and myself
and Being Crumber other civil rights attorneys keep having these
cases because one of the officers after the incident, they
presented a false report to that superiors. They did not
even report the use of force to the sapperiors, particularly

(08:43):
that they had to punch him or mister mc neil
received injuries.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
So you have a false narrative been played out.

Speaker 9 (08:49):
Then you try to money Monday morning quarterback this thing
and say, oh, he have a knife, But he never
reached for a knife. He never reached for any weapon.
It's not a lawful to have a knife. Hell is
in Jacksonville, they need a knife? Uh, based on some
places he going Jacksonville. Uh that something happened to him.
But nevertheless, the video speaks for himself.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
This is seek me. This young man was beaten uh
for no reason, and.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
Jacksonville sheriff office, Uh, the the dish Attorney's office is
not doing anything about it. So that's why myself and
and being had to come in and try to get
some redress for his family and seek every angle that
we can seek and try to bring accountability uh to
this uh to this situation. Now, I will tell you
roller the the sheriff said he has has removed the

(09:33):
officer from his law enforcements duties.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
At this time.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
But they clearly stated that there was no criminal act
taking place. That's absolutely serve. If you punts mine the
face or if punts mine the face, were gonna go
to jail. We're gonna get charged just because he has
bad you're to start. Don't give him a pass.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So this is where I'm confused. It's a headlight. Are
you trying tell me that a basic headlight required all
of that? That's that's that's a misdemeanor ticket.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
It's not even a misdemeanor. It's a it's a it's
a it's a criminal. It's an infraction. Uh at all.
It's not even consider a prompt.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
It's considered a civil civil violation, meaning that you cannot
be arrested for it. But he got beat for it,
and the fact remains that he didn't even violate the
rule of law. That infractioned itself. It's a civil violation.
The only thing you have to do in civil violations
a seatbelt, fifteen dollars, five head lamps, fire handing him

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to get out the car, got out the car. They
got listen, we can talk about all day what the
procedure policy, but the fact remained. They wanted him out
the car, that he was a black man driving in
Jacksonville and they wanted to they want to see, excuse me,
he was engaged in criminal activity.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
That's a bottom what happened. And when he refused to
do so, they beat him. They beat it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean, I can't think of any other reason
watching this, It just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
And I'm just going in and we talk about this
over and over and over again. It's always a basic
traffic stop that all of a sudden goes haywire.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Man.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
We see it over No, We've seen seatbelt violations in Jacksonville,
the leads.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
People being killed.

Speaker 9 (11:28):
You see the vicious beating mckin woods, the killing of
Jamie Johnson. The list goes on and on and com
of the nominator you.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Have as a young black man and Jacksonville as.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Role police officers who treat as thugs is not quote
and you can quote me on it is the most corrupt,
the most dangerous police department in the United States of America.
They investigate themselves, nobody's gonna find wrong doing to investigate themselves,
and in this situation, they punt that they shared plenty
it to the to the lawyer. He is the disc

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attorney's office, tournemy criminality. That's not the disatturney's job here job,
that's the law enforcement job to bring your charges and
the dish attorney to prosperity. But when his police officer
got another standard, they still help to a highest standard.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
That's a shame.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
We are seeking all redress. Yeah, we don't seek redress
or the Trump's Department of Justice. We're gonna do everything
we can do in order to brand accountability.

Speaker 9 (12:20):
I know a lot of legislators, a lot of representatives
or get involved in the NAACP are are mobilizing in
this matter, as they should, because this one you can't explain.
This kid has never been arrested before, and we had
a picture, but he's a band member. In the band
I think we may played the trompbone pig kid never
been arrested, and the only reason he played gifts to

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resistant arrest and driver his license because he's afraid.

Speaker 8 (12:44):
He'd never been in jail before.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
He was scared.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
He was ready to get out of there.

Speaker 9 (12:47):
But the fact remains that we should be outraged and
disappointed and move to action, because we're thankful that miss
mc neil is here today, but it been a matter
of us saying that he did something, he trying to
reach for gun or this they were shoting dead. So
let it be clear we are pursuing this. This is

(13:09):
not a death case, but these are the cases that
we pursue, so.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
We don't have to get to death case.

Speaker 9 (13:13):
I don't take any pride and representing people or want
to represent people who've been killed by law enforcement, brutalized
by law enforcement. We want to intervene an interscept to
stop it from happening, and we need a public support
and help to do it. Folks, get rid of people protests.
It is time for a movement for this to stop
happening in America.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
This is the statement from the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. We
are aware of a video circulating on social media showing
a traffic stop represented to be from February nineteen, twenty
twenty five. We have launched an intro investigation into it.
In the circumstances surrounding this incident, we hold our officers
to the highest standards and are committed to thoroughly determining

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exactly what occurred.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
So why that's not.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
True, that's that statement was not true.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
They don't hold anybody in the standards in Jacksonville. I've
got plenty of cases they whitewashed, did covered up. They
don't hold any speakers standards.

Speaker 11 (14:09):
T K.

Speaker 9 (14:10):
Waters and African American sheriff. He cannot control his agency.
Uh he punts things over, uh to this could turn
his office, states to Turney's office. Uh, he turned blind
eyes to things his officer's doing, you know. And actually
it was a case with Jamie Johnson had looking what
the what is.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
The confute hold up? He said, as a black sheriff, Yeah,
he's black. Oh, it's a black chaff for Jacksonville. Also
jumps out, this was five months ago. What why why
is it coming out now?

Speaker 8 (14:38):
Well, the video came out. They were aware of it.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
They said they want to wherever he did that my
client to make a complaint when he was very fraid.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
He didn't know what to do.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
He never been facing the criminal justice stem, not until
you got us lawyers and you know, trying to help
him out and get some retresch for him. He didn't
know what to do, but the fact remains in the report.
They had an opportunity to look at these body cameras.
They chose not to look at the body cameras, or
if they did look by the cameras, they.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
Covered it up.

Speaker 9 (15:01):
But now since it's circulated with a video, they didn't
trying to backtrack. You know, you're trying to backtrack. Oh,
we're gonna investigate it now. No, you're supposed to investigate
it when it happened long before. But this is this
is this TK Waters and his administration. And he briefly
just did an interview before I came home, just for
the last thirty minutes, and he basically said that the

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disc Attorney's office states turns officers out that the officer
did not gauge it it truminal activity. And we was
questioned by the reporters about the circle punch. He got
very defensive, didn't want to talk about it. He basically
ran from it. So we need to make sure we
hold him accountable as the sheriff as same as a
person we hold a countble that did.

Speaker 8 (15:42):
The punch it.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
So wait a minute, so he's making excuses.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
Oh, he said he had listened Mark Rowland he punted it.

Speaker 9 (15:53):
He said that he allowed the the the disc attorney
or the state's attorney's office to look at the determined
there was no criminal arts. But he suspended or put
the officers on administrative leave or remove it from his duties.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
He have no police functions whatsoever. But he's not he
was he's not.

Speaker 9 (16:11):
He don't have the courage to do right by the
citizens that put him in office. And and unfortunately the
black people majority of the time in Jacksonville's and terrorized
by Jacksonville Sheriff Office under his watch, and he continually
to punt Jacksonville Sheriff Office are not investigated by an

(16:37):
outside agency. There's no outside agency.

Speaker 15 (16:40):
Roan.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
Let me let me ask you this question. How can
you make a determination in one day that the acts
was non criminal when you did not even question the
victim in the case.

Speaker 8 (16:52):
What type of investigation is that? It's not one.

Speaker 9 (16:55):
It's a whitewash cover up that try to divert But
we ain't going anywhere. He's coming down there Wednesday for
the press conference right in front of their shaff, right
in front of the sha of office and demand accountability.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
This is some of the news conference where the shaff
talked roll it.

Speaker 16 (17:14):
And from our director of Homeland Security and Investigations. Our
integrity un also falls underneath him. That's why he's joined
me up here this morning, this evening. Today, the Jacksonville
Sheriff's officer is releasing information regarding the circumstances of William
Anthony McNeil Junior's arrest on February nineteenth of twenty twenty five. Yesterday,

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while I was in church, James became aware the cell
phone camera footage purportedly of this arrest was circulating on
social media. At my direction, the agency immediately began both
a criminal and administrative review of the officer's actions.

Speaker 12 (17:47):
These administrative reviews are ongoing, but.

Speaker 16 (17:49):
The State Attorney's office has determined that none of the
involved officers violated criminal law, even though the administrative review
has yet to be completed. We are releasing the body
warned camera footage to because offsher buyers has consented to
its release and waived his officer's bill of rights pertaining
to the discrete piece of evidence. Because the administrative review

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is pending, the officer's bill of rights prevents me from
releasing any additional information beyond these videos. As it is
confidential under Florida Statute one twelve point five to three
to two.

Speaker 12 (18:20):
As jso's leader.

Speaker 16 (18:22):
I have vowed to be open and transparent with the
public that we serve, whether the information shared reflects well
in this agency or not.

Speaker 12 (18:29):
I have always done my very best to tell the
public exactly what's going on within the agency.

Speaker 16 (18:35):
Whether there are allegations of offshermi's conduct, our agency thoroughly
investigates those allegations. When allegations of offshermis conduct are sustained,
we hold officers accountable, as I've done many times in
the past. In this case, the cell phone camera footage
that began viral circulation over the weekend does not comprehensively
capture the circumstances surrounding this incident, and that is to

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be expected. Part of that stems from the distance in
person pspective of the recording cell phone camera. Another part
of it stems from the fact that the cell phone
camera did not capture the events that preceded Officer Bowers's
decision to arrest McNeil. Moreover, cameras can only capture what
can be seen and heard, so much contexts and depth

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are absent from recorded footage because the cameras simply cannot
capture what is known to the people depicted in it.
As a thirty three year law enforcement officer, I understand
the importance of thorough and complete investigations. One piece of
evidence considered in the vacuum without any context can.

Speaker 12 (19:33):
Lead to skewed conclusions.

Speaker 16 (19:35):
When incomplete cell phone camera footage becomes the basis on
which public opinion turns, the results can be equally faulty.
A rust adjudgment, whether it be in a criminal investigation
or in a court of public opinion, can lead to
flawed conclusions. Tonight, I'm sharing the footage from the body
more cameras the arresting officer, Officer de Bauers, and to
the assisting officers, Officer D.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
Miller and Officer G.

Speaker 16 (19:57):
Curse, so that the public has more complete understand of
this incident. Before I deliver the currently available information and
play the relevant body warm camera, I want to be
clear about something. Yes, they're absolutely was force used by
the arresting officers, and yes that force is ugly. But
as I've said many times before, the reality is that
all force, all violence, is ugly, and just because force

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is ugly does not mean it's unlawful or contrary to policy,
but moreover, I want to provide the public with some
background information pertinent to this pertinent to this incident.

Speaker 12 (20:27):
Since January first.

Speaker 16 (20:29):
Twenty twenty five, Jacksonville Sheriff's Office has been involved in
thirty eight eight hundred and five traffic stops.

Speaker 12 (20:35):
Even as I speak, that number is climbing.

Speaker 16 (20:38):
The overwhelming majority of these tens of thousands of traffic
stops are made without incident. After this traffic stop on
February nineteen, twenty twenty five, McNeil was arrested for resistance.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
All right, So okay, I listened to all of that. Now,
one of the things that he says, Harry, is that, oh,
they didn't do anything criminal. Well, did they violate department policy?
I mean everything doesn't rise to im uh. And then
to sit here and say, well, you know, you really
can't tell just by this particular video. Okay, find explain
to us.

Speaker 8 (21:07):
Then you know that's real. Said and this man, how
many use a law enforce? Me? Said?

Speaker 9 (21:15):
He had thirty thirty three years and he can't he
can't determine assault and battery by somebody getting punched in
the face it's not provoking.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
That's you know, that tells me that he needed his
ass needed to be fired or resigned.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So so here's what he did. So he said, at
least if everybody cam for this. This is from First
Coast News here, so he says, but we need to
have the proper context. This is one of the offers
getting out of the car. All right, So let's go
ahead and play this.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
You don't want your.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Requires and.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yes, okay, so what did yees?

Speaker 8 (22:15):
When?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
What do you? I guess?

Speaker 11 (22:18):
Yeah, yeah, I said, I said, well for what? Oh
you all look at this weather.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm like, all right, okay, that's so legitimate, reasonable, it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
You said we're going to have alice. Yeah when you
said that the car.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Huh?

Speaker 8 (22:47):
All right, good for it.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
All right, So I'm gonna stop it right there. So
already there's an officer on the scene. This other officer
come up and then he says, oh, you're resisting. Well
we know from his body camp from his footage that
he wasn't resisting. He was talking to the whole time.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Now, you can't you can't resist unlawful rests now.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now this this officer is sitting here, I mean he's
talking to him, talking to him, talking to him. Both
are having a conversation. Then all of a sudden, from
this body cam footage we see here he basically gives
it the order. Okay, y'all go ahead and bust the window. Well,
we know from your client's video he simply requested to
talk to a supervisor. So clear was this guy. Was

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this guy here the angle we see, was he a supervisor?

Speaker 8 (23:40):
No, he wasn't. It was not. They refuse bringing supervits
to the scene.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So so then then we see the pulling up. So
if a roller video off a roller video, we've got
one car on the scene. Car just pulls up another car.
So there, so we now have three police cars looks
like more on the way for a headlight traffic stop.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
It's about five or six police cars that came out
of there.

Speaker 9 (24:09):
Wow, complete waste of resources for a black man and
that didn't have his headlights on during the day. I mean,
if you notice, if he knows they came up, they
have their headlights on either.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean, I'm just trying to So now we see
right here, Okay, so then they're they'll unbuckleing him. His
hands are up, they're pulling him out of the car.
Then all of a sudden he gets that's when he
got punched, and now they're slamming to the ground. I'm
for your headlights not being on. So we've got three officers,

(24:43):
four officers detaining him, and one guy standing there. So
we got five cops because your head lights are not on.

Speaker 8 (24:55):
Wow, don't forget during to day, you keep doing the day.
Their headlight's not on though today Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
And we did see some drops on his windshield, but
right now, you don't. It's not raining.

Speaker 8 (25:09):
Right now, it's not raining. That's she told me. It's
not raining.

Speaker 10 (25:13):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (25:14):
This is Look at his headlight is not on.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
We saw on the video. It's a pretext unlawful stop.
Whatever the reason they want to stop him for. You know,
they had to make it up. Say they didn't have
a seat, Betal. You can see the video they had a.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Seat, bet On.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
I mean, this is this is bad and it shows
what people have been saying for years that these unwarranted police,
pretextual stops that lead into these black men and people
being shot and killed by the police, and they try
to whitewash it and try to create this own narratives

(25:51):
that x y Z was happening.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
None of it was happening. Roland. They got caught. They
didn't know the video was running.

Speaker 9 (25:58):
And when they found out the video was running, you
said the end of the video, the officer reach is
and turn it off. Yeah, they got caught. They are
called and it's it's time. Let them get caught because
it's time for accountability. The Jacksonville Sheriff Office and the
City of Jacksonville need a complete makeover, and we're.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Planning to do everything we can do to give them
that makeover.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
And I think I think this is the bodycam footage
of the officer that grabbed.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
That's that's a striking officer body camp.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
All right, guys, roll turns audio up.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
You can see you can see here.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So if y'all just saw that no no, no stayed
on here, I want you to see what he just did. Uh.
It's that the one ten mark. Uh, You're gonna see
he asked for a supervisor. He asked for a supervisor,
and then all of a sudden he asked for a
supervisor twice. Or watch this year. I'm not gonna argue

(27:41):
with you. I'm telling you why to pull you up,
but give me your driver's license. Call your supervisor. Then
why excuse me, call your supervisor? Why'd you put me over?

Speaker 8 (27:50):
Then?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Right there, signal thirty five requesting backup uncooperative adult driver.
The fact to the maryes he is cooperating. Keep keep rolling,
turning up.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Said stop side door.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah yeah, you're gonna give me one.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
If I say you may.

Speaker 15 (28:31):
Exist.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
No, keep your hands where I can see him.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Sorry, he's caras on too sold you okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Why don't you're under arrest resisting?

Speaker 5 (28:52):
You understand you under the wrestler resisting.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Or you're taking her.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
Let take us on.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
The worst gonna be.

Speaker 10 (29:02):
Your hands.

Speaker 14 (29:03):
W can sit, sir?

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (29:13):
You shot a car pull out, no headlights on right, so.

Speaker 11 (29:20):
As the last morning, open the bagled accent before we're
gonna break the window.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
No ways, your wife, wife is on rest.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
We were going to break the window, open the door,
and as we are going to break the window.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
Over he's on a arrest.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Open the door and accent. You are under arrest for
assisting open the door and accent.

Speaker 12 (29:50):
You are under arrest for asisting.

Speaker 11 (29:58):
Open the door.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Right acc you're a nervous for sissy, open the door
and I said you were a nervous were sissy?

Speaker 8 (31:08):
Break it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
All right, Harry. I noticed nowhere on those two body
can videos did I ever hear somebody mention knife.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
They didn't know whose knife was there. They didn't know
that they didn't see a knife. After the fact, do
they searched the vehicle when they could him. You got
him placement handcuffs in the car. Then they searched the
vehicle and they found him NiFe. They didn't know about
any knife or anything. That was a narrative after the
fact that to try to justify their acts. But the

(32:13):
video shows the body, not the body caroing, but the
cell phone for the shows that he never reached down.
He was complying with him when they when they broke
the window, he's still right there. He made no sudden moves.
It was completely unwarranted and nope, not unprovoked. So you
know this is this is this is an America we
live in that they that some law enforcement officers, and

(32:36):
I'm respecting law enforce officers, the good ones that do
their job every day at difficult job, we may be
are the ones that's the bad apples. We need to
remove them because they spoiled a bunch and this officer
in this case are just stug in his case, broke
the window, punched him in his face, pulled him out
of the car, and he punched him again.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
Let's not talk.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
Let's we talked, We're not talking. We're talking about the.

Speaker 9 (32:56):
Second he punched him twice, slamed them on the ground
and they continue to beating with his on the ground.
No justification. Then we look forward to doing our job here.
It's this one case that men and now we are
re locked in on. We locked in all that cases,
but it's something that we need to address. It's not
a death case, it's not a police in while shooting case,

(33:16):
but it's equally important because these cases that we attack
and we weed out those officers and change policies, then
we may not have to reach the death cases that
we do across this country.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right, Ben heard daniels I souly appreciate it. Thanks
a lot.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Thanks Roland, Take care, man, I'm gonna go to break.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
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Speaker 1 (36:56):
And I'm with Roland Martin on Unfiltered. All right, for
it's used to my pound. Doctor om Congo to being
a senior professor of Electoral School Your National Service, American University.
Author of Lives About Black People, How to Combat Racism.

(37:17):
Doctor Neon Bee Carter, Social Professor, School of Public Policy,
University of Maryland. Author of American Wild, Black African Americans,
Immigration and the Limits of Citizenship. Doctor Larry J. Walker,
Social Professor, University of Central Florida, out of Orlando. Let
they have all three of you here, Larry, I will
start with you again. If you are a black man
in America and you're being pulled over for your headlights

(37:45):
not being on in inclement weather, that brother asked for
a supervisor and he hears this, he hears this cop
call in, Oh he's been and so he's like, hey,
I don't trust it, man. Let me close my door,
let me sit inside my vehicle, because the safest place
for me is inside of my vehicle. For all these

(38:07):
people who go, well, why didn't you just comply, because
we've seen way too many stories of basic traffic stops
lead to somebody dying. Home, Wear was like, please call
your supervisor because I don't know what's going on. I talked,
I'm with him one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
So one of the things that we have to talk
about is black people are two to three times more
likely to be killed when they interact with law enforcement.
And so this has been you know, this has been
ongoing for for generations in the black community. We talk
about the talk we have with our children about they
if they interact with law enforcement. But Roland, this is

(38:49):
this is another incident where where black folks have to
we are traumatized by this. And you know, you're right,
they got caught because they didn't realize the video was
running and it recorded everything. And and the sheriff you know,
talking about, you know, discussing his perspective like he's Spike

(39:09):
Lee or something. In terms of the video record, we
can clearly see at least from that from this side
in which the officer punched the and you know, the
young brother more than one time, we can see what's
going on from that on that side, and we can
see clearly he's talking to the other officer calmly, any
other officers, calmly, having a conversation with him. But this

(39:29):
idea about he was pulled over with his I've never
heard anyone being pulled over, and especially after the look
it rains in Florida, it gets crazy, but you can
clearly see. You can clearly see, and I've driven in
Florida more times than I can count when you know,
maybe or maybe not, there's a little bit of drizzle,
but once again, it was a pretext to a stop.

(39:50):
The attorney hit it right on.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
No.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
As soon as I saw the video and when I
heard when I've heard about the story recently the last
couple days, I knew what was going on. We all
know what's going on, and you got to hold these
individuals accountable because listen, Roland, we're all here having these
conversations on TV, and look God living in Florida. This
is real. This is this is not a TV show.
This can happen to any one of us at any time.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
We're all very aware of it.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
And because we have aware of it, we have to.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
Talk about it.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
We have to hold those individuals accountable because if we don't,
once again, these issues, these instants will continue to occur.
And I just saw recently the last few minutes that
the officer of Brianna Taylor case was given three years
from a judge. So Quinn similely, we're still having the
same conversation, but we have to hold individuals.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Accountable on the congo. This is reality. This brother mcdeial,
he wasn't cursed at the cop. He wasn't yelling, he
wasn't screaming. He asked, why do you pull me over?
And he then says, please get your supervisor. Say it
three times that God wouldn't do it. Say that's when
he closed his door and oh he's resisting. All the

(40:56):
cop had to do was he's requesting a supervisor, whole supervisor.
But they didn't want to do that. They didn't want
to do it.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
You know, my wife and I have been together since
high school, dated and then married and everything. Years of
buying gifts and presents for each other. You know, Roland, Well,
she bought me about four or five years ago. She
bought me a dash cam, bought me a dash camp
so that I could possibly be in a situation where

(41:28):
I have to record my own beatdown or something worse.
And so, you know, when Larry's talking about this being traumatic,
just being you know, problematic for our community and it
being real, this is very real. The fact that that
man is clearly younger than all of us knew what
he had to do to tend into the hands on

(41:48):
the steering wheel, set the recording. And this, as you
asked the lawyer, happening in February, and now the officers,
the sheriff's wants to talk about it because this brother
and his team had to take it upon himself to
show the world that he that everyone else has been
lied to by these individuals. This is what we have
to do as black people every day. This is also

(42:08):
a reminder of when we talk about issues relating to
to police and police brutality misconduct, that is not black
versus white, it's black versus blue. Because those are two
white cops and two black cops in that video that
I saw, and so every single day we have to
make sure a rally to support this brother. I don't
know what's going to happen in Ron DeSantis, Florida, but

(42:29):
we also do have the court of public shame in
public opinion, and we need to make sure that you know,
these officers know in our communities that we're not appreciating
this and none of us are wishing, you know, bad
things that happen to them physically, or violence to come
their way, anything like that. I'm talking about, just the
public shame. It needs to happen because they need to
know that we take our lives seriously, that we take

(42:50):
our family seriously, and that we're going to do everything out.
You know, we talked about samtra Bland last week. I'm
talking about Brionna Taylor. Now this is non stop with us.
And as you have mentioned on this show, many times
killings by the police of black people and black men
in particular have gone up since George Floyd was murdered,
not down, and this is the latest example and the
last thing I'll say. I'm so glad the Brothers said

(43:12):
that we also have to pay attention to the people
who survive the police brutalities, not just the one who
lose their lives, because their lives still matter too.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know, a theambi's jack up as hell to be
black in this country, and a gift that you're given
is a damn dash cam. I mean, that's that white
folks don't understand. Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 21 (43:40):
And I think what my colleagues have just brought up
is the fact that we focus on the desks because
those are more spectacular, but the routine, run of the
meal nature of the abuse that average citizens encounter when
dealing with the police is far more prevalent and far
more common. How many times have we been her stat

(44:01):
by a police officer when all you had to do
was write the ticket. How many times have we been
you know, roughed up, pulled on, you know, by these officers.
And it is not, you know, unfortunately exclusive to one
particular place or one particular gender, right, because while black
men are more likely to be killed, black women are
more likely to be killed by the police too, And

(44:22):
that's something that all of us need to recognize. And
I remember watching that video and holding my breath and
just being thankful that that young man is alive, it
can go home to his family.

Speaker 7 (44:36):
And I hope.

Speaker 21 (44:40):
As Omacongo brought up a moment ago that we can
continue to support these people, support our community, to support
our families, because this stuff takes a toll on us
mentally and physically when you go outside and you are
afraid to do the most basic things because we don't
know if we are going to get home at the

(45:01):
end of a night or at the end of an afternoon,
in this particular case, for something that is as small
as whether his headlights were on. I mean, I think
about the young boy that got killed in Minnesota for
air freshener, right, Like the stops are the danger, right,

(45:21):
the stops having to interact with the police is the danger.
These people are not public servants anymore. And I think
what we saw in this particular case, the officer just
was on an ego trip and a power trip. There
was nothing there that warranted him breaking out that window,
pulling him out of that car, and doing any of
the other things that that young man had to suffer.

(45:45):
And so unfortunately, we're going to continue to see more
of this stuff, not less, And I think this administration
emboldens this kind of activity The fact that that sheriff
is still trying to defend the indefensible means that this
is going to continue to happen at law enforcement agencies

(46:06):
across this country.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
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Speaker 1 (48:35):
The folks have Black Pack commission poster Canal Belcher to
do a poll showing where Black America stands in the
first one hundred days of the twice impeached, criminally committed
felon in chief Donald the Kahn, Big Ankles Trump and
their results speak very loudly in terms of how we feel.
Adrian Shropshire, as the executive director, she joined us right

(48:55):
now of Black Pack, glad to have you here. Yeah,
we just call it what it is. Everything I said
is factual, So let's go right to it. Adrian, what
jumps out at you in this poll a lot?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I think one of the things that stood out to
both me and Cornell really is the mood of black
folks in this country right now. You know, the numbers
are striking and I would say historic. We have you know,
something like eighty five percent of the black voters that
we surveyed saying that they are dissatisfied with the direction

(49:30):
of the country, seventy five percent saying that the economy
is getting worse. Almost no one believes that the economy
is getting better. Maybe five percent of the folks that
we talked to. Donald Trump's numbers are at historic lows.
Eighty four percent of the voters we talked to disapprove
of him, with seventy two percent of those people strongly

(49:53):
disapproving of him. The numbers for Republicans in Congress are
in the exact same place as his numbers we've been polling.
I think we talked about this before. We've been asking
folks over time what they think is the single greatest
threat to the Black community, And time and time again
and including this time, I say that the presidency of

(50:15):
Donald Trump this second term is the single greatest threat
to the Black community. But we also see, as you
alluded to, some numbers that should concern the Democratic Party.
We see a majority of Black voters disapproving of the
Democratic Party right now. We see when we ask folks

(50:36):
how do they feel about the Democratic Party, we see
the numbers being down across the board, sort of regardless
of demographic within the black electorate. And that includes the
numbers being down with boomers and the numbers being down
with Black women. And when you have those two numbers
going down, then you know that the Democratic part Party
is in trouble.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
What are they saying specifically about the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I mean, I think they're saying what we're hearing from
lots of people, but maybe more strongly, they're saying they
don't believe that the Democratic Party fights for the issues
that are important to the Black community. They say they
think they are not showing up as fighters. They don't
see them as strong, they see them as weak. In
this moment, people want generational change, which came through in

(51:27):
the polling, and I think that there is this, you know,
when we look at the kind of post mortems and
memos and strategy memos that we're seeing come out from
some Democratic circles or circles within the Democratic Party right now,
saying that, you know, Democratic candidates need to just talk
about economic issues. They need to talk about bread and
butter issues. They just need to focus on the economy.

(51:48):
I think Black voters in this poll, but also in
some focus groups that we did earlier in the year,
really reject that. Like, of course, people care about the economy,
but they also care about other issue shoes, Right, they
care about the rise in racism, Right, they care about
the what seems like a loss of economic and educational opportunity.

(52:11):
They care about the Supreme Court rolling back and our
rights are not even rolling them back, eliminating our rights.
And they want a They want democratic candidates who are
going to speak to that. They don't want a candidate
who is just going to show up and reduce everything
that matters to us to just dollars and cents.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Also here key takeaway, go to my iPad. It says
black voters overwhelmingly reject the idea that the fight against
ice and deportations quote isn't our fight. Majority of black
voters are not, in fact in a mood to pull
back and disengage in the line of fire, but rather
are anxious about the best ways to engage. And that's really,
frankly saying something to a lot of our legacy civil

(52:52):
rights groups. They've been demanding they engage, but folks are saying, hey,
we need a plan of action to know how to engage.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I can, That's right, and I just want to I
want to jump to the to that that first point
that you made. We asked this question because we were
deeply concerned about what we were seeing on social media
in terms of accounts, uh, you know, allegedly black accounts
saying things like you know, uh, the you know, people
are being deported, Uh, this is not our fight. Latinos
voted for Trump, so you know, you know, f around

(53:23):
and find out, and and we wondered how much of
that was actually just sort of propaganda. It began to
look look like us and still does like the same
kind of propaganda efforts that we saw during the campaign,
where black accounts would start telling black folks, oh, stay home,
this election doesn't matter, it's not important for our community.

(53:44):
It looked like propaganda. So we wanted to ask black folks,
is this fight against deportation and ice our fight or
is it not? And people overwhelmingly said that it was because,
of course, when mask men start showing up in our neighborhoods.
And I'm in Los Angeles, so our neighborhoods are integrated here.
So when mas men are showing up in our neighborhoods

(54:04):
snatching people off the street and disappearing them, right, kidnapping them,
of course that's black folks fight, because we know what
that is. And so we wanted to make sure that
we were clear and that other people were clear that
there was public you know, data about how black people
actually feel and not just the accounts on social on
social media. But I think that you're right as well.

(54:25):
People are looking for ways to figure out how to engage.
People want to engage. They know that we need to
be in this fight, and they want to They want,
you know, certainly from the existing organizations, but also new
efforts right that are coming around. We see all of
the protests that are happening, et cetera, that we're seeing
folks engaging in, but we also want to you know,
I think that people are clear that protests aren't the

(54:48):
only way for black people to show that they are resisting,
and people are looking for guidance.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
One of the things that your pole also looks at.
And I have been talking about this. Not graduated from
Texas A and M and nineteen teen ninety one, and
I've been looking at this even when I was there,
and when I was on CNN, I was on TV
one on Time Joy in the morning show. People keep
telling me I was crazy, and I'm like, I'm trying
to tell y'all. I said, as each year progressive, you're

(55:16):
going to see African Americans less self identified as Democrat,
which means that Democrats have to work harder to keep
those folks in the fold. Well, your poll shows it.
Baby boomers, folks sixty one to seventy eight years old,
Come on, guys, go to my iPad. It shows you
they are the orange line. Well, right there, it shows

(55:37):
July twenty twenty five, seventy two percent self identified identify
as Democrats. If you look at gen X, that's my group,
that's fifty nine percent, that's a thirteen point gap. Well,
if you go to millennials that's the next generation twenty
nine to forty four, it's an eleven point gap. But

(55:57):
here's what jumps out. Was only a from the moment
Vice President Kamala has got the nomination in August of
twenty twenty four. It was a two percent drop from
then to now among baby boomers, a five percent drop
by gen X between then and now, but a thirteen
percent drop from millennials. And So, if you're a Democrat

(56:21):
running for Congress next year, for the United States Senate,
if you're Senator John Osoff in Georgia, whoever's going to
be the Democratic nominee in North Carolina or in any
other states, what this poll says to every and I'm
being very specific to every white Democratic strategist, every white

(56:42):
media buyer. If y'all think you are going to win
by spending the same amount of money and time on
black people, you're crazy. I have been arguing you're going
to They got to spend three to four times as
much money to target black folks to when black folks
because they're saying, hey, it ain't guarantee, it doesn't mean

(57:05):
they may not vote Democrat. But the self identification part
is a significant a significant predictor as to whether or
not they will turn out and vote.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
A lot about how people feel about Democrats that we
saw in other parts of the poll as well, right,
So it says a lot about you know, whether or
not people feel like Democrats are taking their vote for granted.
And that was a question in the poll and people said, yes,
they feel like Democrats take black folks for granted. Right,
So this is a and I think that we've seen

(57:37):
this trend. So you're right, like you're talking about how
far you were going back saying this to folks. We've
been seeing this in our polling over the last you know,
nine years that the Blackpack has been doing polling. Is
if people are identifying less and less and to your point.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they won't support Democrats. It
means that they question whether or not Democrats are actually

(58:00):
a party for black people. Now, be to also be clear,
they don't think the Republicans are, So that's not a
you know, that's not they're.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Not going on and as where the option then becomes
either you're gonna support the Democratic candidate or you're or
you're just gonna check out.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That's right, and that's and that is a lot of
what we saw in twenty twenty four, right when we
think about the numbers of folks who did not show up,
and we know that that was again that was you know, uh,
those decisions to stay home happened early, some of it
because people were being inundated by right wing propaganda, missing
disinformation campaigns that has been going on for years at

(58:39):
that point. And so to your the point that you made,
which is accurate. When we think about the resources that
we need to spend to be able to help folks understand,
you know, and and and feel good about showing up
and turning out because it's gonna make a difference, those
resources need to increase, but they also need to start sooner.
So anybody in themocratic right now who thinks that they

(59:02):
can wait until twenty twenty six. Nope, are resourcing both
communications and even door to door conversations with black folks.
You are sadly mistaken because Republicans are in people's social
media feeds right now. And if folks think that they
can wait, they're just setting themselves up and setting the

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country up for another catastrophic failure.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Now, what Joe befog about panel. What jumps out of
me which I see as an opportunity is this next slide.
It says top box motivation has not changed for older voters,
but rose prior to the election. For younger voters, while
gen X and millennials have seen their motivation return to
off your levels, motivation has interestingly continued to rise for

(59:47):
Gen Z. You look at this truck right here, it's
about the same for baby boomers ninety percent gen X.
Its gen X is gone from eighty to seventy seven
down up to seventy nine, up to ninety down to
seventy eight. You see millennials seventy six, sixty nine, sixty six,

(01:00:08):
sixty two jumped to eighty down of sixty six. But
my god, June of twenty twenty four, gen Z eighteen
to twenty eight was fifty two percent. Today seventy six percent.
That is a huge And so again, I know you
looked at what your twelve and eleven, but I'm going

(01:00:29):
back to that. From year to year, you're talking about
gen Z, gen Z jumping twenty four points. You look
at millennials jumping four points, you look at gen X
dropping one point, and you look at baby boomers going
up plus three. What that says is that and again

(01:00:53):
I'm gonna bring in I'm gonna bring in Mamdannie in
New York. When you see that twenty four percent jump
among gen Z, that means that they are engaged. But
you better be speaking to them and they see what's
happening policy wise and how it's impacting them. So Democrats,

(01:01:13):
if they were smart, they have an opportunity where if
you take millennials in gen Z, they represent the largest
demographic in the country, they've surpassed baby boomers. They better
understand they're ready. But as you just said, you got
to talk to them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
You gotta talk to them. You got to talk to
them about the things that they care about, not the
things that you want them to care about. And that's
part of the problem I think that we've seen. We
saw across within the poll, across you know, segments of
the of the black electorate, folks are very clear about
the issues that they care about. They run the gamut.
They care about voting rights, they are worried that their

(01:01:49):
rights are going to be stripped. They're concerned about the
decisions that the Supreme Court is making. They're concerned about
the roll back of even policies that we saw, you know,
the Biden administration put in place. So you have to
talk to them about issues that they care about and
not try and force them into some really small box

(01:02:10):
that's going to shut them down. And I think that,
you know, when we this poll also revealed to us
like that this was not a poll that was you know,
it wasn't a messaging poll. It wasn't a message It
wasn't a poll to try and move people. But what
we saw was that by the end of the poll,
we asked the question at the top, how motivated were
folks to vote? When we asked the question again at

(01:02:30):
the end, we saw an eighteen percent increase in motivation
to vote. And that's just because the poll talked about
issues that they cared about. So this was with us
doing you know, just having a straight conversation with voters,
we saw a shocking kind of increase and the number
of people who moved to say yes, I am now
motivated to vote after just listening to a poster on

(01:02:54):
my phone asked me about these issues. So, yes, focus
on the things that people care about, have real converseas
with them, because people are ready, they know what the
stakes are. I mean, I think black voters before the election,
certainly we're saying we understand the devastation that a second
Trump administration will bring to this country, into our communities.

(01:03:16):
We were, you know, the constituency the group of Americans
who were most clear about what a second Trump administration
would mean. And I think people are clear about it
now and they're fighting. And what we're seeing in terms
of those those two age demographics in particular, they're leading
the resistance as young people always have historically in this country.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
And for our community go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
To the pound me i'mbuy first. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:40):
So when you were talking about the other issues that
people care about, what really seems is there a singular
issue that seems to be motivating people or keeping people
away because I know, I mean outside of real issues
with the party, what are the things that people feel
or being missed or overlooked?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Adrian? Before you answer that, Pope screen y'all, So why
she answers that, Uh, this is despite growing angst, Trump
continues to be seen as the top threat. And so
what's on the screen? Agent are the threats to the
African American community?

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
To go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, so this is this is important because we you know,
this is the question that I was saying that we've
been asking folks over the last few election cycles. And
so the the issues that are in there that I
think are important are the lack of economic opportunity, the
lack of educational opportunity. We see a real concern around
social security, not just among older generations, and that was

(01:04:35):
a little bit surprising to us. So social security is
a huge issue. People are concerned about their future. Obviously
people are concerned about about crime, but there are you know,
I think the educational issues are the ones that that
that you know, that that that stand out in a
way in addition to you know, there's a there's a

(01:04:55):
whole list, and this is why it's hard. The issues
that people care about are are many, and they they
are uh. People feel like when we look at for example,
we ask the question about what what are the things
that Trump has done that people care about most and
all of them were top box issues.

Speaker 13 (01:05:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
People care about the erasure of black history.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
People care about the federal workforce being laid off, and
that's certainly tied into this sort of you know, uh
uh routing of economic opportunity. You know, people care about
the Department of Education being dismantled. The things that Trump
has been the you know, the military using the military
right to come into our streets. People care about a

(01:05:43):
whole host of issues. The question for I think is
are they going to speak to those issues or are
they going to be afraid to talk about those issues
because they're they think they're going to lose white voters.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
All right, Yeah, it's really interesting in terms of some
data points. Can you talk you talk about the Democratic
Party and where kind of people, you know, the black
community are shifting, so to speak. Can you talk a
little about any questions related to you know, leadership ticularly
we talk about Schumer and Congressman Jeffries with any of
the questions that are related to specific you know, democratic

(01:06:22):
leaders in terms of the vision and how members of
the black community are feeling about you know, black leadership,
even members of the CDC.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, we had a thermometer question that we always have,
which is essentially, how do folks feel about particular about
particular leaders, And you know, I would say that in
that thermometer there's some there should be some real uh
you know, concerns again for for Democrats. I think the
Democrats in Congress, we're showing it right now. The thermometer
was the thermometer was was fairly low for Democrats. Overall,

(01:06:55):
I think Senator Schumer's numbers were lower than they have
been in our previous polls. You know, I think that
you know, of course Trump and Republicans numbers are you know,
completely uh you know, bottomed out right. But the one
thing that I think was was somewhat surprising to us.

(01:07:16):
I won't say completely surprising to us, but somewhat surprising
to us was the was the thermometer for Representative A
Jasmine Crockett. Her her thermometer numbers were approaching Obama levels,
and it was pretty surprising to us how high she was.
The she she was second behind Obama in terms of,

(01:07:38):
you know, the people's feelings toward her and her leadership.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
All right, so hold on, I'm trying to find that. Uh,
let's see where is that? Where is it?

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I'm looking here. Which part of the slide was that specific?

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
I'm not let me look.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I see dim traits, I see angst because I don't
see anything specific to candidates, because I do want to show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
That, not candidates necessarily, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I'm sorry, sorry, not candidates, but I'm looking for those
names Schumer, Jeffried's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Uh, I may be giving you all a tidbit that
we didn't share in the deck.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
That agent you got to share that with us. I'm
looking for it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I'm like, hold on, I'm stroll.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I'm scrolling myself. I'm you know, revealing trade secrets here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
You need you need to send that to me, Dan
so I can see what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I mean, I think that the the the question about
how people feel about dem leadership. I would say that
the numbers are you know, lukewarmed to cool and so
that's a that's not a that's that's not a good
sign for them for for most of democratic leadership, Larry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Oh, I think I asked my question.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I'm a congo.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Oh, no problem. Thank you so much Adrian for this work.
Is it's really great to see and I look forward
to reading and more in detail. What do you feel
are the top two issues for the younger generations? Roland
just said that, you know, the Gen zs and millennials
are the largest voting block right now, but so many
people look at the black voting to say they're all

(01:09:22):
concerned about race at every level. Are they as concerned
as gen xers and boomers? Are there to other issue?
One or two other issues that are bigger for them
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
So I would say that it is the It is
really the things that I that I've said before. Folks
are concerned about racism and the rise in white supremacy
and all that that means. Right, that means many things
in terms of the the the the way that that
shows up. So folks are concerned about that. They are

(01:09:58):
also concerned about the you know, the rollback of rights.
Uh in general. They are concerned about about these ice
raids and deportations. They are you know there and I
think we see some of the activism that follows that
concern like we've seen that, you know, in in you know,

(01:10:19):
on news reports, right like they're they're out there. So
I think that there really is and they they're certainly
cared about They're certainly concerned about economic opportunities as well.
And I don't want to I don't want to you
know short uh sell the fact that people are deeply
concerned about the economy. I think the direct question about
the economy is a reflection of people's deep anxiety and

(01:10:41):
worry and concern about the future. That is, that is true.
But this idea that the country has turned into a
version of the United States of America that they have
only read about in textbooks and might not be able
to read about them in textbooks again, right, But the
fact that the country seems to be you know, uh,

(01:11:03):
you know, factory going into factory you know, uh reset
uh and returning to its original you know form is
a thing that that that I think the younger the
two younger generations, but certainly gen Z is deeply concerned
about because again, if you think about you know, the
their their trajectory right there sort of you know, uh

(01:11:27):
history in this country, it's been very much up and down.
I mean, they you know, they they were coming of
age or they were younger when there was Obama, and
then they got Trump, and then they got you know,
every other week video of as you all were talking
about earlier, of you know, black folks being you know,
murdered by police. And so they are very they they

(01:11:50):
have a real, you know, completely legitimate worry that the
country that we are currently sitting in, uh is a
reflection of some historic past that they did not have
any idea that they would ever have run. And in
some ways their opinions they're under. What they express is

(01:12:12):
their understanding of the world and what needs to be
done of the country and what needs to be done,
not just a lot the opinions and concerns of boomers.
And so the reason why that's important is because it
is that legacy generation who lives that era, and so
gen Z and our legacy generation at many data points

(01:12:33):
are kind of meeting, right, And we've seen that over
the last couple of years in our polling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
All right, so I'm gonna throw this one out here.
So it says nearly two thirds of voters prefer a
Democrat standing up for our rights, but a significant minority
of millennials opt for Democrats to be less woke. Now
y'all have here, says Democrat, who says less woke, says
Democrats are too caught up in identity politics and wokeness.
We need to stop spending so much time, so much

(01:13:00):
of their time fighting these so called culture wars and
trying to protect the rights of certain groups and instead
focus on economic issues. And they plan to help the
working class. Democratic to stay focused on the economic issues
of working class first, and we're less about peripheral groups.
Now I'm looking at this and it doesn't specify, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna say what I think this is

(01:13:22):
based upon conversations that I've had people all across the country.
Right there, when you see that seventeen percent, because you're
talking about that green space right there, that's the seventeen percent.
And then when you break that down a correct if
I'm wrong down here, that that's much more likely Democrat
a less woke, And it's I'm so much more like

(01:13:43):
the Democrat a less woke When I look down here,
it says total seventeen percent Gen Z thirteen, millennial twenty one,
Gen X eighteen, Boomers fourteen, but right here is the
key men twenty five cool on DEM's twenty four or Okay,
what they're saying right here and maybe you already have it,

(01:14:04):
they're actually saying trans That's what the when they're talking
about less woke peripheral groups identity is Adrian? Is that
who they're talking about, because that's what I've heard a
lot of people talk about, but people don't really want
to say it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
But I don't think I don't think so so. And
the reason why I say that is because there is
there's there's another slide and I and I will not
be I will not be able to find the number
for you. But there's another slide where we ask which
are the the the executive orders and other actions that
Trump has taken right that concern you the most. And

(01:14:42):
so there's a whole bunch of them and they're all
top box. The one that is not top box is
trans athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
So when they say, well, well, no, I don't make transacthment.
So when they say less woke, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
So I so I actually feel like the thing I mean?
So I will say this. I'd say a couple of
things about this one. I think we need to actually
dig deeper into what that is. Yes, we do, we
need to live dig a little bit deeper into what
that actually, what that means, what people are actually talking about.
I would say that based on the other kinds of
questions that we ask in this poll, my my assertion

(01:15:20):
would be that they are actually focusing more on that
economic piece, because millennials have high economic anxiety, Right, So
I think that they're probably focused more on that economic
piece than than the potentially on the culture wars. But
people define culture wars differently as well, and so it
could be that you know that they are concerned about,

(01:15:42):
you know, whatever the sort of culture wars that the
Republicans define, Right, it could be that they're concerned about
hearing democrats also following suit on some of those Republican
lines of argument, right, could be that, I mean, I
think we would need to dig deeper. But I think
that the other point that's important here is that they

(01:16:05):
stand out from everyone else, Right. I think this is
the point that you're making. They stand out from everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Well, I was making the point because even when I
look at a lot of these white Democrats, when they
talk about it, they always less woke, less woke I
always go, Okay, what are you talking about talking about?
And see nobody ever wants to actually say that. And
in conversations that I've had with men and women and
different people, what often comes up is Democrats been way

(01:16:31):
too much time on trends. And when you look at that,
when you look at that Aden, when Trump's ad utilizing
Charlet Magne and dj Envy poll's second highest, When I
look at that twenty five percent of being men, that's
one of these things. And so whenever I see the
idea of be less woke, I always go, Okay, I
need folks to name what that is. Not the phrase,

(01:16:53):
but name what that is because a lot of times
folks don't want to name it. They say it, but
they don't really want to name it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yeah. I think that when people when I hear Democrats
and Republicans say less woke, I think they're talking about
black people, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I think they're talking about right, But in this case,
this is black people. Though, So when black people say
less well, I wonder what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, yes, you point well taken, and I and again
I think that you know the question for me that
that requires more digging, right, is what are people saying
and are so are they talking about specific issues that
are being defined right by the by Republicans and some Democrats,
or are they saying that they don't want Democrats talking

(01:17:37):
about those issues?

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
I think that is a that's that's an unclarity for me.
The other but the other data point I will say
is that when asked the direct question about whether or
not people care about you know, trans issues and specifically
the trans the issue of trans athletes, that was the
thing that people cared about the lesson the least in
terms of the things that Trump has done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Yeah, I see that because they on the Trump eos
and show. Uh. It's a whole lot to unpack in
this uh, but but it really is important for people
uh to uh to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Well, hold on right here. He says positive traits. Black
voters are seeing Democrats fight for other groups more than
for their own community and concerns. They want to see
Democrats fighting for them just as much as for other people.

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
And then fight for women. It says eighty seven percent
totally agree, Fight for lgbt Q plus eighty five percent,
fight against racism, forty two, fight for spanning, thirty six,
fight for African Americans twenty nine percent. Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I mean, I think that people believe that the issues
that week that you know, even the things that I've
talked about here, that Democrats aren't standing up for those
things that they're that they are, that they're walking away
from them. And I also think that we're here, you know,
in the mainstream media, we're hearing Democrats say things like that,
We're hearing them talk about we don't you know, we're
not going to talk about these issues. We're gonna, you know,

(01:19:10):
we're gonna again. You know, you heard Nancy Pelosi saying
the other day that, you know, the Epstein files was
a distraction and that they just need to talk about
bread and butter issues, when in fact, if part of
their part of the democrats central argument for why Trump
shouldn't be president is that he is depraved and unfit,

(01:19:31):
then this question around the Epstein files is central to
that argument, right. And so I think this idea that
somehow Democrats can just reduce and we saw this after
twenty sixteen as well, this idea that we just need
to talk about the economy and everything will be fine
because black people will vote for us and white folks
who have gone over to the other side will come back.
We know that's not true because we know that that's

(01:19:52):
not the totality of people's lives. People want to be
able to first of all, have hope and some aspiration
that a mayor will be the America that they were
promised that it would be. And that includes equality, and
it includes fairness, and it includes justice. And if Democrats
are talking about those kind of core central values, then

(01:20:13):
it appears that they are fighting for other people and
not for the black community.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Last point here, I sound like a Baptist preach. I'm
a close three times. Let me find it right here
because it jumped out at me in terms of where
you're getting information from. Uh, it says here, and well,
first of all, before I before I go to this,
people need to understand, uh, the breakdown here. It was

(01:20:41):
really close in terms of uh, when y'all had Gen
Z millennials, gen X baby boomers, and I think in
the poll, if I go to the slide, you probably
had more millennials in this percentage than anybody else, so
it wasn't weighted more towards baby boomers. But it says
here in terms of this is this what I need
people understand. We start talking about information, because you got

(01:21:03):
to know where they're getting it from. According to your
poll social media sites for information, YouTube is number one
eighty six percent, Facebook sixty nine percent, Instagram is sixty
TikTok is forty six x Twitter is twenty two percent,
and then you go Twitch, Blue Sky substat So for
everybody out there who keeps going, oh, YouTube and especially Facebook,

(01:21:26):
that's put all the old people, those are the two
largest where they're getting information from. That's critical. And then
let's see here was another one blue Sky users slightly
warming the Democrats. Well, Twitch users are cooler. Why is
that important? Because Twitch also a lot of young folks,

(01:21:47):
a lot of gamers. That's kind of important. And then
it says YouTube is the most used app across all groups.
Progressives must take the battle to the GLP, particularly in
this space. Now, why is that important for everybody who's watching?
Because somebody sent me this a little earlier today when
you talk about growth among y'all, just give me a second,

(01:22:11):
because I got three devices working at one time. So
I want you to understand, Maxwell, pull this person up.
Somebody sent me this tweet earlier of this individual, and
it showed the most growth on YouTube in the past
three months. Now, the first three months of this year

(01:22:33):
we were in the top twenty. But that's cooled off
some Now. I don't necessarily believe all of these people
are real because this person was getting a ton of
money from the Russians and so, but this says fastest
growing political and political adjacent YouTube channels by net new subscribers.
And so you see right here, okay, right winger Benny

(01:22:56):
Johnson one, Fox News two, Charlie Kurt five, Joe Rogans six,
Tim Poole, another person was getting money from Russia is eight,
Turning Point USA nine, Tuck across In ten, Sean Ryan twelve,
and then Asthma Goal. So if you look at one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

(01:23:18):
nine of those top folks all right wing and so
the reality is their numbers are blowing up on YouTube
because they made a very concerted effort. They also cross
pollinate a sharing information and when you talk about investment
from groups in terms of advertising or whatever, they are

(01:23:38):
feeding those channels which allows for them to market improve
their product. And the reality is progressives aren't doing that
at all. If I pulled up right now. The YouTube
chart that showed you the YouTube chart showed you the
top one hundred YouTube shows what people are going to

(01:23:59):
see is are going to see a lot of right
wingers in the in the top twenty, in the top
one hundred, because that's that's who's driving. And so folks
just need to understand what's going on here, uh, in
terms of the the ideological battle that's happening on YouTube

(01:24:20):
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
That's right, and you could see across the board it's
the top you know, uh app that people are using.
It is a place where you know, there is a
there is a battle happening, and we are losing. And
we know that our people. It isn't just that our

(01:24:41):
people are also watching those shows. I mean we did
you know, our focus groups earlier in the year. You know,
people we ask people what shows they watched, what were
they watching on social media? Who were they following on
Instagram and TikTok, and you know on YouTube they're watching
Joe Rogan, right, And it isn't that they're you know,

(01:25:03):
they're still voting for for for Democrats or they're still
turning out, but they're getting that information, right, So it's
shaping people's understanding. And again when we talk about misinformation
and disinformation and propaganda, when it shows up in that way,
like we ask people you go these places to get
political information, and folks said no. But the problem. But
the issue here is that the ads are coming up

(01:25:26):
while these shows and to us, in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Fact, the right people understand the right wingers are buying
ad space on YouTube to show up on this show. Yes,
and and and and this is and for all of
all you simple signons out there who are bitching and
moaning when the Kamala has campaign, uh, did three hundred

(01:25:50):
and fifty thousand dollars in advertising with us? When it's
also it should have been actually three times that much
for all y'allhood tripping folks wore like, oh yeah, you
take three hundred and fifty thousand from them? Oh well,
guess what That same Benny Johnson I showed he was
getting the hundreds of thousands through a Russian front company
every month. Tim Poole was doing the exact same thing.

(01:26:12):
The Republicans dump advertising money into all of these shows,
so people don't even understand the game. Adrian, folks, you
don't understand this right. Here is a YouTube weekly top
podcast for July seventh through the thirteen. Remember that guy
who cracked all of those racist jokes at the Trump
Madison Square Garden rally and he got reamed, that's kill Tony.

(01:26:34):
He is number one for this week on YouTube. Joe
Rogan is two. A progressive Midas Touch is three. Then
you see forty eight hours, you see all of a sudden,
you see Sean Ryan Tucker Carlson, you see progressive Brian
Tyler Cohen. Then all of a sudden, right wringer PDB
right here, a right winger, Theo Vaughn, right winger, Meghan Kelly,

(01:26:58):
Tim Kasz, Davori Darkins. Then you see you can go
on and on and on and not for African Americans.
I need people to pay attention. Highest ranking. Well, first,
I don't know who this Devori Dawkins is, but Gilbert
Arenas he's twenty one. Sports Club Shayshak is twenty four.
Then you keep going, let's see here like people need

(01:27:19):
to understand. Carmela Anthony number thirty four. Tim Poole is
the right winger, he has two. He's at thirty six.
The Pivot Podcast number forty to a Sports Guys eighty
five South comedy show, The Comedic Brothers out of Atlanta,
right there, five Club, five to twenty, podcasts, five to
twenty in the morning, African American as well. All right,

(01:27:42):
so you keep going, Joe, butten fifty nine, and I'm
not criticizing them. I'm just showing people the numbers. These
are the numbers. Then all of a sudden, you keep going, right,
winger Ben Shapiro. Now that's us at seventy eight. We
are the only black news show, the only black non

(01:28:05):
entertainment sports show in YouTube's top one hundred. So your point,
where are black people getting their information from? Is from
other people. Because on March fourth, when we did our
special The State of Our Union, we showed our power.
Two hundred and fifty thousand people watched us live. If
I look right now, is thirty four hundred. So where

(01:28:28):
are the other two hundred and forty seven thousand we're watching?
March fourth? So when we say, hey, we don't have
the information we're watching, we're watching sports and entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
That's right. And this is the whole game, right, this
is the whole game. We wonder why millions and millions
of black folks stayed home is because they were getting
information that suggested from all these different podcasts and the
ads that were coming across all their social media feeds
that they should that they should stay home. And what
there wasn't was a robust counter narrative coming through shows

(01:29:04):
that care about our people, right, that care about our future,
that want to make sure that our community is informed.
Those shows, yours, of course, right stands out. But why
don't we have an ecosystem that is informing people and
not just the black community, right, other communities as well.
Why don't we have a similar ecosystem. Why is it

(01:29:26):
not being invested in? Why do people take it for granted?
Why do people think they can wait to the last
minute and just put ads up on traditional television where
no one is watching. Certainly not the voters that we
need to turn. Certainly not the folks that we need
to be informed so that they can be engaged. It
is a total mismatch. It is a It is malpractice

(01:29:48):
in terms of people who say that our democracy is
so important that we need to do everything that we can,
and yet we are willing to give away the information ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
And last one here, since y'all drop your poll, how
many media outlets have booked y'all to discuss it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
That'd be you, and I think that this is the
same question you asked me with the last poll, and
I had to say, that would be you and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Folks, this ain't about ego while I'm asking that question
because I'm trying to explain to y'all this the problem.
Since Joy's show got cancelded on MSNBC, how many NBC
shows are booking agent to discuss the black Pack poll.
And here's the crazy thing. Your poll was done by
Cornell Belcher, who's an analyst for NBC. Yes, so I

(01:30:35):
need people watching to understand that if you do not
have black on media, the reality is this black pack poll.
Folks would see it if it's on social because the
very shows are not booking. So radio shows should be
talking about this and others. But the problem and I
said this when Tom Jorner retired, I said this, and

(01:30:58):
that was part of the reason why I show. I said,
when we lose the Tom Joner Morning Show, we're going
to lose a major cog that drove black news and
information across the country. And I don't care y'all can
talk all y'all want about the Breakfast Club and all
the rest of these shows. But if you take the

(01:31:21):
Breakfast Club, Ricky Smiley, do O, Hugley, Ergart Campbell, Steve
Harvey and put all the black syndicated shows together combine,
they do not do as much black news and information
as the Tom Joyner Morning Show did. And so to
Adrian's point, if we do not have the black media ecosystem,

(01:31:44):
that's driving our messaging out. So we got to support
and invest in shows like this, and that's why we
got four other shows because I can't be every damn where,
but it's a dearth of information that we are facing.

Speaker 10 (01:31:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yes, absolutely great job with the poll.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
We'll push this out on Social Agent. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I appreciate you, Thanks a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:32:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
I can't make this point enough Niomi that that and
I need people to really understand. Go back to my
iPad when you when you look at this top one hundred,
I'm gonna start with one hundred Ruben Report. Guess what
right winger, Nancy Grace, right winger, Young Turns Progressive. But
they all over the place these days, Will Caine, Country,

(01:32:30):
Fox News, right winger. I mean, you start going up
this list and it's it's idiots. It is a ton
of right wing people. And again it's not it's not
being arrogant or cocky. But we're the only in the
top one hundred, and we were off and on for
the past couple of weeks. We were on one week, off,
one week, but us at seventy eight yo, there's no

(01:32:55):
outside of sports entertainment, guess nobody else black.

Speaker 21 (01:33:01):
And I think you highlighted something that's really important Roland
is the dearth of black media. I mean, with the
exception of a few stations you could think about folks
like Harold Fisher and WHR, but clearly there aren't many.
And when we think about how local media has just
been hollowed out, there are even fewer outlets. And one

(01:33:21):
thing I will say about conservatives, they have long understood
the media environment and have made themselves or veiled themselves
of everything, whether we're talking about radio with Rush Limbaugh
on his day and even the televangelists right they had networks,
they had that whole messaging from records to video. I

(01:33:45):
mean like they understood that they might not win on
the numbers, but if they can get people's ears and
they can get their eyeballs and they can get in
their mind, then they can do some things. And they've
moved the needle politically. I mean the Dobs decision didn't
just come out of thin air. That was sixty years
of campaigning that happened on Conservatives. So they've been innovators

(01:34:06):
for a very long time in the media space, and
they were early adopters of social media and being online
and being perpetually and chronically online, bringing people to these
different platforms from YouTube to the podcast. So I mean
this is part of the reason why I think Republicans
have been so successful through the years, because on the numbers,

(01:34:29):
most people don't want what their politics are. But they
have been able to draw enough people in with a
convincing message. They know how to stay on message, and
they are extraordinarily disciplined, and they sprinkle themselves throughout so
many environments from school boards to radio and TV and

(01:34:52):
everywhere else in between. And I think the thing about
Conservatives is they leave no stone unturned, whereas democrat will
still leave, you know, things on the table. Conservatives don't
take for granted that people are just going to be
persuaded by policy, right. I mean, most people don't like
their policies, but they liked their messaging about their policies,

(01:35:15):
and that's what gets them every time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
On the congo. I remember discussing this story. This story
here dropped January fourth, twenty twenty, and it was in
the New York Times and it was right wing views
for Generation Z. Five minutes at a time, Guinnis Prager
launching peger you of fake University. But Candice Owens came
through there the stories show and I remember sending this

(01:35:41):
to Progressive saying, y'all better pay attention. And the story
laid out how they raised, how their whole goal was
to they said they were trying to do. They did
a one billion views their first year, how they went
out and targeted Hispanics and others, how they went out

(01:36:02):
and raised seven million dollars from a couple of a
couple of billionaires from Texas. And an article laid all
of these things out, all these things out, matter of fact.
I'm gonna pull up and pull up another story. What
was interesting about this story when you were reading it

(01:36:24):
was what their goal was and again how they were
going to build it. And people were like yeah, I'm
like okay, I'm telling y'all, And guess we now see
we now see prager you content for kids now in
schools because Republicans control them in Oklahoma, Texas, Florida and others.
And so they raised twenty two million their first year,

(01:36:45):
twenty five million their second year. That's real. And I
said to progress this, y'all running around here trying to
make movies, an animated film. They saw YouTube as the
power long ago.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
But yeah, it's almost felt like, following Miami's point, it's
almost like YouTube is the new AM radio for them
because they dominated back in the days with age.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Oh no, no, no, no. YouTube is ABC, NBC CDs
for them because YouTube, YouTube is the largest video platform
in the world. They are bigger than Netflix.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
I didn't realize they're bigger than Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Wow, bigger than Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
But going to your point on prager You, I show
preger you videos in my intercultural communication class every semester
to let our students understand what their propaganda is all
about and to go to your point further with them.
Preger You is now partnering with the Department of Education
to produce videos on the founding of America for America
at two hundred and fifty years. So that's how deep

(01:37:48):
this fake university, this fake organization is going. They the
Republicans do not play as it relates to propaganda. They
do not miss an opportunity to get out there and
control the message. Even if you go on YouTube right now,
you got all of these people guys like me who
speak on like diversity, equity and inclusion and things like that.
But if you type it in the YouTube, like the

(01:38:09):
first twenty five videos are going to be something about
from like Kansas Owens and Ben Shapiro is going to
be anti DEI folks. That's how prolific they are with
what they're doing. And the fact that we're spending so
much time looking to be entertained on these platforms. It
shows the dirt where the real problem is. And I'm
hoping that this survey, that the study that the sister

(01:38:30):
did with Cornell can get out more so people can
really start understanding that all of these networks out there,
they're training their eyes on YouTube, the Instagram, the facebooks,
and our young people are still going there. If we
do not learn the lesson now seeing what Joe Rogan
and all of these other guys are doing, we can
easily be in those spaces crushing it. If we could
just be half as serious as you are with the

(01:38:53):
Blackstar network, we can make some real changes and Prager
you as another example of their propaganda machine on full black.
This is what paid attention when you said we should have.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
This is what folks are not getting, Larry, go to
my iPad. Streaming services captured forty four point eight percent
of all television viewership, while traditional broadcasts and cable networks
combined for forty four point two percent. The broadcast networks ABC, NBCC,

(01:39:24):
BESS and Fox account for twenty point one percent of
the viewership. They lost to cable, which was at twenty
four point one percent. So folks need to understand that
more people are watching streaming networks stream They are streaming
content more than they're watching cable and broadcasts, and of

(01:39:46):
the network streaming, YouTube is number one. That's first. The
second point which we've been trying to get people to
understand here, Larry, is that why investment matters. All right,
we ain't had twenty frager. You got twenty two million
its first year, twenty five million its second year, as

(01:40:09):
forty seven million dollars they got to build their network.
They hit a billion views its first year. Well, hell,
when you raised twenty two million, and you can hire
the engineers who are starting the algorithm who could pump
the content out, you can actually do this, And so
that's what happens. We ain't had I mean, listen, our

(01:40:31):
fan base has contributed four point three million dollars in
seven years. You look at what we've generated. Would advertise it.
It ain't. It don't even come close to No. Twenty
two million, but we but you know, we've been building
it and making do The point I'm making is this
is an arms battle, and progressives, African Americans, liberals, everybody

(01:40:55):
want to put that category completely misunderstanding what's going on on.
And while we as black people are giving money to
ZEUS network and we're watching all of these entertainment and
sports networks, they're focused on news and information. And that's
one of the reasons why people are ill informed about
what's going on. Because as that as our promo where

(01:41:19):
Jeff Carr says, bring your eyeballs home, wherever our black
eyeballs go, that's where our attention goes, that's where our
money goes.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Yeah, you really highlighted some really important points and one
thing I want to talk about you just talking about
the prigger you in terms of the money, the relationship
between the misinformation vias whatever you know, platforms, YouTube, et cetera,
x and the wealth gap in America. Uh you know,
you know, really, you know, you talked about freaking you

(01:41:54):
getting all this money. I'm going to preak to you
a few years ago, which just comes some kind of
you know, concept or right idea. I never thought it
would reach the heights of this reach right now, like
you said, many states and working with the federal government.
But the point you highlighted needs to be clear to
those who are watching in terms of the actual resource gap,
in terms of what folk you know, people who have
the resources are investig in listen, we have you know,

(01:42:17):
certainly there's like I said, there's wealth gap between black
and whites. But there are a lot of black folks
who have enough resources to contribute to your platforms and
to support other other you know, opportunities to put information
out there to make sure the black communities well informed.
But we're not seeing we're.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
Not seeing that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
And what are some of the implications we just saw
what you highlighted. You've talked about a lot in the
last couple of days, in particular in terms of the
number of black people who did vote, and now what
we're doing with in terms of the challenges the black
communities and encounter and will continue to encounter over the
next couple of years. Listen, we have we've lost the
platform and misinformation battle, but we can't afford to lose

(01:42:58):
the war because the challenges we're dealing with ongoing and generational.
So it's you're playing catch up. So you have to
make sure once again, like you said, roll in the resources,
and we had to make sure that you know, platforms
like yours continue to have the resources they need to
put out a counter to a lot of the misinformation
that a lot of black folks are getting. I can't

(01:43:19):
tell you how many conversations I've had with people that
I know or encounter that I have to tell them
that some information they came across, particularly doing the election,
it's not accurate. And so we're seeing a lot of
even with college educated black folks. It's not about educational background.
This is about the platforms you consume and the informed
misinformation that you're being fed and that you believe without

(01:43:39):
checking second third enforce sources. So we need to continue
to investing platforms like you. But this misinformation, it is
widespread among black folks of all backgrounds.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
So here's what people need to understand. And it's the
perfect example. Damian Foster just puts in our group chat,
you need to train someone or a group of someone's.
Do you do know? We have other shows on the network.
That's what we've been doing. We've had other shows that

(01:44:11):
we canceled because frankly, they were moving the needle. So
I need people to understand what's going on here, okay,
and I have been talking about this ad nauseum, so
our people understand the ecosystem. Okay, to understand what's going
on here. The reality is everything that you see costs money.

(01:44:36):
If you're watching the show right now, the lighting of
the show looks different, it does. Give me a watch shot.
The lighting of the show looks different. Why is that
because we just finished. Don't give me a watch shot
of give me a watch shot. The lighting looks different
because give me this shot and give me the others.

(01:44:56):
Give me the camera facing that way. So the lighting
that you're seeing right here was a seventy thousand dollars
to the other camera that's facing the set piece. You're
seeing a seventy thousand dollars lighting upgrade. That's what you're seeing. Okay,
that lit the news desk, lit the set piece over there.
That also lit our green screen. That was seventy thousand.

(01:45:19):
While that was happening, we were doing a forty thousand
dollar it upgrade in here as well. Okay, we're looking
at our robotic cameras where we got ten twelve. So
the question is how many more do we need? So
why why am I explaining all of that Because that's money.
That's money. In order for you to build a network,

(01:45:40):
you got to have infrastructure. Infrastructure means studio, it means staff,
it means equipment, it means all of those different things
as well. So when you're competing against again, a Bennie
Johnson who got hundreds of thousand dollars from Russia through

(01:46:01):
a front company, and him and Tim Poole, I'll just
give you all an example. I'm gonna pull it up
right here. Let's see here. This was a PBR how
Russia covertly hired US influencers to create viral videos. Yep,
all of these people were named. Yeah, ten million dollars. Okay,

(01:46:25):
these two Russia Today's staffers funnel ten million dollars to
these various right wingers to produce these videos. That's just
they were. It was actually in an indictment right there.
Look at this here, Benny Johnson, Tim Poole, David Ruben,

(01:46:48):
Laurence Southern. All these videos that they did were going
up well, being fun. Look at this here one fluencer,
one influencer was paid four hundred thousand dollars a month,
one hundred thousand dollars signing bonus, and y'all, his was
crazy and an additional performance bonus in exchange for four

(01:47:12):
videos a week. Y'all, that is sixteen videos. That's all
they did for four hundred thousand dollars a month. Do
the math. That's almost five million dollars a year from
that one funding source. So if I had a sponsor

(01:47:36):
that was kicking us four hundred grand a month, don't
you think we would have more digital people pumping out content.
We'll be able to spend money on ads in marketing
to be able to boost need to try to understand
what's going on here now, expand this. The media business
is driven by advertising. What happens when it comes to

(01:48:01):
general market we're talking fortune five hundred companies, all the
commercials you see, three hundred and fifty to four hundred
billion dollars is spent every single year. Black on media
gets point five to one percent. That's all Black on media,
that's everybody that's black on media collectively gets that point

(01:48:22):
five to one percent. The federal government spends a billion
dollars a year on advertising. What does Black on media
get one percent of that as well? So Black on
Media is getting barely one percent of the four hundred
billion spent in general market billion of the federal government.
And now when you talk politics, black on Media got
twenty two million dollars out of the more than a

(01:48:44):
billion dollars spent by the Harris campaign and the Future
Forward Political Action Committee. So when folks sit here and go, yeah, man,
you should have taken three fifty thousand, all Black on
media twenty two million out of more than a billion

(01:49:07):
I think was a billion. Five. So, if Black on
Media is not getting political advertising money, federal government advertising money,
general market advertising money, well, please explain to me how
can we build and grow do y'all? Now see what
I'm talking about now when earlier, when I talked about

(01:49:28):
the two around fifty thousand people who watch I just
need people to understand this is math, y'all. This is
just basic, fundamental math. We had two hundred and fifty
thousand people who watched us at our peak on March fourth. Okay,
that's two hundred fifty thousand. So imagine, imagine if two
hundred and fifty thousand people were watching this show on
a daily basis. Okay, that's two in fifty thousand. Okay,

(01:49:51):
if you're talking about thirty days over the course of
a show, that's seven point five million views. Actually going
to be way more than that as well in terms
of how it's calculated. Oh, if all of a sudden,
we're now doing forty fifty sixty million views a month,
all of a sudden, you're now talking about generating five

(01:50:12):
to seven to eight hundred thousand just on YouTube. So
now if you're increasing your revenue there and you're getting
these other advertising so now, all of a sudden, now
just lay it out. If we were doing ten million
a miss oll up, if we were doing ten million
dollars a year, never due. I'm just gonna say ten.
There's an office right next door to us where we

(01:50:33):
could actually put ten production staff writers in there. So
now all of a sudden, you would actually have folks
who are writing stories because you know, we are completely
retooling Blackstar Network dot Com to drive content. Imagine if
you then we're able to hire ten what we call predators,
producer editors, and that is people who are digital specialists,

(01:50:55):
multimedia folks. We call them one man bands as well,
and then we had them in ten cities across the country.
We have a designated person in let's say Dallas, Houston, Charlotte,
Let's say a couple of New York coupling in La somebody,
let's say two or three in Atlanta. Now, all of
a sudden, your footprint now begins to expand. Now when

(01:51:15):
it comes to driving content, we can be like a
lot of these other folks as well. That's at ten
to twelve million a year. Now, imagine if we had
prager you money. See, I need people watching to kind
of understand where I'm going here, because I'm trying to
paint a picture that One of the reasons we have

(01:51:36):
problems is because black On Media is systematically frozen out
of the marketplace. So when I talk about the one
percent and how we get screwed by pooblicist advertising agency
and Group M and Horizon and Omnicom, and I can

(01:51:57):
keep naming all of these ad agencies and how they
won't even return our phone calls, then sue they won't
even sit here and give us assertion orders or RFPs.
We can go down the line. Then how do you
think we're able to generate money and bill staff? This

(01:52:17):
is the problem. And when I talk about this, folks go.
But if I post something that's gossipy on Instagram or
social media, it'll get twenty thirty thousand likes and two
three thousand comments. So I need Black people to understand
there's a reason Ebony is almost non existent. They're trying

(01:52:42):
to rebrand Jet doesn't exist. There's a reason why Essence
is a three day festival company and not the magazine
that used to be. There's a reason that Black Enterprise
basically doesn't even cover business anymore. They are a conference
event company. There's a reason why you see fewer you
you have four black owned talk stations in the country.

(01:53:07):
That's it four. When you talk about so the entire
black own media ecosystem that we were able to survive
on and thrive on from the launch of the nation's
first black newspaper, Freedom's Journal, March sixteenth, eighteen twenty seven,

(01:53:29):
going all the way through Frederick Douglass in The North Star,
Out of the Wells, Barnett and Her paper in Memphis
that was Firebomb, the Pittsburgh Courier, Chicago Defender, and Landon
Daily World, and on and on and on, going through
Michigan Chronicle, going through Ebony, Negro Digests, Ebony Jet, Emerge,
Black Enterprise, all the way through. If you look at

(01:53:51):
that history that is virtually gone, and now we are
in a position to where we are solely dependent on
a small handful of folks, and for the most part
it's Shape Room, Hollywood, Unlocked, Ball Alert, Jasmin Brand that

(01:54:17):
our Instagram pages and websites for information. And then people go, man,
why didn't we know what was going on? Because black
on media has been absolutely systematically eradicated and decimated. And
so I don't want to be sitting in this position

(01:54:38):
when I'm seventy, I don't want to sit I'll be
honest with Y'all'm fifty seventy. In November we've signed an
eight year lease. I don't plan to be sitting in
this seat when I'm sixty five. But we have to
be able to be able to build, grow, and hire
people and build them up. So over the course of three, four, five, six,

(01:54:59):
seven eighty years, then their following will be like mine
is right now, and we're trying to build an ecosystem.
So when y'all, some of y'all bitch and moan about
man you're taking money from the Democrats, Well, Republicans damn
sure want spend the money. Oh I take that back.
Republicans were spending money on my show. They weren't paying me.
They paid YouTube to run the ads during the commercial

(01:55:21):
breaks on my show. So they value my show and
my audience. But they're like, now we're gonna pay YouTube.
So I need everybody watching to understand we are in
the position we're in right now, not by our choosing,
but because there has been a whole sale destruction of
black owned media by practicing economic apartheid, by ad agencies

(01:55:47):
and buy major brands because they want us buying their products,
but they don't want to invest in our media. Final
round of comments from my pantilis I'll start with you
Ane on me.

Speaker 21 (01:56:00):
Well, I mean, I think you highlighted the sort of
foundational problem that so many black institutions face, especially the
black media, is that we need black support to thrive,
and a lot of people don't value black media and
certainly don't want to put money in the hands of
black media brands and companies. And I think it's really unfortunate,

(01:56:20):
especially in this time when good information is so critical, right,
I mean, one of the things your show talks about
a lot is media literacy on a host of levels,
not just how the media works, but how.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
To be good consumers of media.

Speaker 21 (01:56:32):
This is why we need those black spaces again, because
so much of what we talk about now is driven
by culture, right, like about sports or entertainment, but these
political issues that are ongoing, whether we're talking about police.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
Brutality or important bills.

Speaker 21 (01:56:48):
That are happening, things that are germane to our community.
Only black media are going to cover some of these stories.
And that's why that media has sustained us and been
so important for so long. And so I mean, I
just I think it's it's a really unfortunate circumstance. Just listening,
you know, just thinking about all of these media outlets

(01:57:09):
that don't exist anymore that I grew up on and
that I had the privilege of getting.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
To know absolutely on the congo.

Speaker 5 (01:57:19):
It's really sad the way you lay it all out,
and you know, you talk about this so frequently, and
particularly with the young folks coming up. It's like it's
like we say, if you're not at the table, you're
on the menu. It's like, if you're not going to
be involved in actively consuming information about black people, about
our culture, and getting it from black sources, then you're
going to be you know, victim to anything that's out there,

(01:57:40):
and you're going to fall for all type of game.
I see people talking about, you know, target boycotts and
all of this, and they're getting the information from the
most random sources. And people have to understand that if
we're going to make some real headway in twenty twenty
six and twenty twenty eight, I'm not even just talking
about just politically, I'm just talking about and establishing ourselves
in the dominant way that we should be in this
culture is going to take black information. We've not gotten

(01:58:02):
this far without education and information. And if people think
they're just going to do it building platforms and entertainment
spaces and getting their residuals off of things like that.
They're sadly mistaken and that's going to be taken away
from them too, because they're not going to be well
informed enough to build a successful system. You're sitting here
talking about you don't want to be here at sixty five.
You want to have other people running the show. People

(01:58:23):
don't have that long term vision, and so people need
to see this, They need to share it because now
is the time for us to really get on the
good foot as it relates to how we control and
dominate these information spaces. And like I said earlier, you
laid out the blueprint. Other folks just got to follow it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
Larry.

Speaker 12 (01:58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
So well, let me say that when we talk about,
you know, counting misinformation, I think my panel I'm on
for right now, my esteem, colleagues, academics and also authors.

Speaker 14 (01:58:51):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
How often do you see three black folks you know,
like ourselves on your platform talking about issues to impact
the black community.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
You don't see it, MSNBC. The only black professor you're
gonna see is Eddie Claude Lawyer regularly Charles Coleman you'll
see Melissa Murray, who's a who's a legal professor. I mean,
I mean right, I need people to understand if you

(01:59:22):
actually sat down and started counting who's on CNN, MSNBC,
Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, Yeah, we'll have more black
people in forty eight hours than all those networks will
have combined for a week.

Speaker 7 (01:59:37):
Go ahead, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
And that's that's my point. Roally, Black folks like us,
we don't get an opportunity on the time to really
talk about our research, our work that relates to the
black community and it's and it's important impact.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
And so your platform this evening and throughout the week, having.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Folks like you know from you know, a law you know, uh,
you know, a journalist, et cetera on the platform who
are black, who care about the passionate about the black
community to unpack very important topics, you're just not going
to get that for the folks who are watching. Go
ahead and you know, get in cash shaft or checks
or whatever you need to do, because that's the only
way you're going to get this disinformed conversation from black

(02:00:13):
folks who care and have to background and talk about
really important issues.

Speaker 12 (02:00:16):
The impacted BLACKEM.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Indeed indeed gonna go to a break.

Speaker 12 (02:00:19):
We come back.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
We're going to talk about the sad passage of Malcolm
Jamal Warner who died tragically swimming with this family vacation
in Costa Rica. That's a max. Folks support the show.
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Speaker 19 (02:01:05):
This week on the other side of.

Speaker 10 (02:01:06):
Change or on Mamdani.

Speaker 17 (02:01:08):
The New York City mayor race and this progressive wave
that has sent such a shockwave through all of New
York City and really the rest of the country, Jamal Bowman,
who's going to help us understand what this mayoral election
means and how we make sure that it translates across
the nation.

Speaker 18 (02:01:22):
Do you imagine national Democrats like identifying themselves as having
slaver or ris or swag?

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Like?

Speaker 7 (02:01:31):
Absolutely not right.

Speaker 18 (02:01:32):
So hopefully the city does what they can in November.
The health resurrect is dying party and honestly just resurrect
our democracy.

Speaker 10 (02:01:40):
Only on the other side of change. On the Black Start.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
Network, Bruce Smith, creator and executive producer of The Proud Family,
Louder and Prouder and watching Roland Martin until.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
Folks many of us were shocked and stunned today when
team was he reported that Malcolm Jamal Warner drowned in
Costa Rica while vacationing with his family. He was fifty
four years old. Of course, those of us who are
in gen X grew up watching Malcolm Jamal Warner as
Still Huxtable on The Cosby Show, aired from nineteen eighty

(02:02:52):
four to nineteen ninety two. Of course, that show broke
barriers of portraying portraying a successful black family and resonated
with millions of viewers every single week He later built
a steady career as an actor, director, podcast host and
also a musician. He was with his family in Costa
Rica on vacation. Authorities there say a strong current pulled

(02:03:13):
him under, and despite rescue efforts, he didn't make it.
He died of espixkia. He was a native of New Jersey.
Began acting at the age of nine years old, and
again THEO Huxtable was his breakout role. He leaves behind
a wife daughter in a legacy that touched generations. So
many people have been posting their tributes on social media,

(02:03:34):
and I must say the reason I think this hits
differently on the Congo, Larry and the ambis because when
we often talk about individuals that passed away, typically they
were from the previous generation. When you think about Sidney Poitier,
hair of Belafonte, when you think about Cicily Tyson, and

(02:03:55):
I can go on naming others, but it's a lot
different when it's someone that's frankly around a lot of
our ages, who we all watched till we all looked
at growing up, who a lot of us met. I remember.
Twenty ten, he co hosted the Trumpet Awards with the
Cole Ari Parker, and I was also a co host
along with Lisa Ray, and I remember cracking a joke

(02:04:19):
with him on stage coase, you know, Malcolm hath Is,
I'll never forget it was matter of fact, I got
to hit Don Jackson, try to get the video for y'all. Uh,
And so we were It was so funny because so
Lisa Ray and I were on this side of the
stage and Malcolm and the cole on that side of
the stage. And Malcolm turns to the cole and he
goes the cole I must say, you look ravishing, you know,

(02:04:43):
in this really deep voice. And I go, hey, Malcolm,
it's a Black Awards show. This is how we do it.
I turned, I say, damn you fine. Audience cracked up laughing.
He and I here and I had a huge lab
back stage about that, just messing with him. But again,
it hits different when there's someone who you grew up watching.

(02:05:05):
And so when they were playing he was on playing
a high school character. Those of us we were still
in high school as well, and so that's what it
was like.

Speaker 5 (02:05:17):
Yeah, man, this is definitely tough. I mean when you
look at you know, the Cosby Show coming out in
eighty four. I mean there was no at that particular time.
There was no Young Black Sun on television really at
that time, like Family Matters and other shows came in
like the late eighties, and so it was like it
was just him and someone is so close to our

(02:05:37):
age growing up, you know, watching him and one of
the things that he did, I mean outside of the
Cosby Show, he did a lot to raise awareness about
AIDS and so many other projects. But through the Cosby
Show and Cosby and the television work he was doing,
he became shine a light on dyslexia and learning disabilities,
you know, became an educator in the classroom, was devoted

(02:05:58):
to you know, his girlfriend, showing that black love with
Justine and the like. So he was just a role
model in real time for us on so many different levels.
And you know, even after that, with the Spoken Word
and everything that he was doing. And I feel like
many of us who don't didn't know him, like just
kind of took him for granted because he just represented
greatness in every way, shape and form. And you know,

(02:06:21):
Roland No, my mom passed out on June sixth, and
one of the things that one of my fondest memories
is watching the Cosby Show, you know, with her, my
dad and my siblings. You know, they just brought families together.
And I just want to commend him for having a
dignified career just throughout his entire time, and we just
got to show him the love. People don't need to

(02:06:42):
be out there talking about black people need to swim.
Learn how to swim. You get caught at one of
these currents, you can be the greatest swimmer ever and
it doesn't matter. So let's get that nonsense out out
of there. My thoughts go out to his family, his wife,
his daughter, and we just lost a legend of our
own time. So you are right, Roland just hit differently.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Rest in peace and power and certainly if those do
you and your family for the loss of your mom.
You're right. He did play. He did have this alexia,
of course, and Bill Cosby's Bill a Cavill Cosby some
innis also had this alexia, so they wrote that into
into the episode and to his point in thembe That's
why I think when you see this reaction, I mean

(02:07:22):
not obviously appear fifty four years old. I'm fifty six.
Other folks who you know, in their early fifties or
even older. But also just I mean just so unfortunate,
you know, being there on vacation with his family in
Costa Rica. And what immediately brought me to mind. Twenty fifteen,
Johnny Kent was supposed to perform on the Tom Joyner

(02:07:43):
Morning Show Cruise. I was actually on that cruise and
was walking along the rocks in Jamaica, fell hit his
head and drowned. Then and then, of course this was
I was only three years old and it happened. But
Whitney Young, who was the President's CEO for a decade
of the National Urban League, was swimming with friends in Lagos, Nigeria,

(02:08:03):
and he drowned the same way.

Speaker 15 (02:08:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
And so certainly that also brought back memories of that
when this news came out.

Speaker 21 (02:08:12):
Yeah, and I think you know, for many of us,
I mean, we grew up with Michael Joan wal Warner
on our television for decades. I was a very young
kid when Cosby Show came out and it was Musty TV.
I mean, it was somewhere to rush and theo Huxtable was,
like many people, my first crush. And to just see

(02:08:33):
him live such an amazing full life and didn't fall
into many of the traps of like the child star
that unfortunately had claimed so many of his peers. It's just,
you know, it's always unfortunate when you lose someone, particularly
when you lose someone that's so young and so vital
and that had, you know, still so much to offer.

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
And I feel especially sorry for his.

Speaker 21 (02:09:00):
Young child and his wife who are now having to
imagine a life without him, because this was I'm sure
supposed to be joyous and rejuvenating and it's now turned
into one of the worst moments of their life. But
I surely don't want his life to be defined by

(02:09:21):
the tragedy that is his death, because he certainly had
so much in him creatively that he shared with all
of us so graciously and so openly, and at the
end of the day, I think that's all that any
artist wants to be able to do. So we definitely
continue and we'll continue to remember and appreciate Malcolm Jamal

(02:09:41):
Warner for what he gave.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Us again and Larry again. It's one of those things
where you saw someone literally grow up before your very
eyes on television while you were also growing up as well,
and that was the case, whether it's Lisa Bonet, Malcolm
Jamal Warner, Keisha Knight Pulliam like it's always is crazy
when I'm out somewhere and I see Keish and I

(02:10:03):
pull in and you're like, yo, that's Rudy.

Speaker 6 (02:10:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
And again that's one who you remember is who was
a small child, uh similar in age to my sisters.
But then you see this person uh in area and
that's really what it was. And I think that's why
when this thing hit, it was so uh so difficult
for a lot of people, uh to comprehend.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
This hit a lot of us of a certain age
really hard today. Roland, there's no doubt about it. From
an endless in his roles, it was like iconic. Let's
call it what it what it was the Gordon Cartrell
you know, episode is is a TV classic. In addition
to that, he had a great career after that. We

(02:10:46):
know we talked about the trappings of child actors, but
he played a physician among other roles in sitcoms, et cetera.
So he had an extraordinary career. And you know, for
I remember, you know, his character was having struggle in
school and listen, I was never a great student until
I got to college. So I really appreciated that to

(02:11:07):
see that from you know, you know, highly educated family
that you know, not all those you know, all those
kids followed the same same path, even though eventually as
they brought in the story, he figured things out. But
he really I really identified with that character. And like
you said, you know, many of us you know, watched
that show and because it was definitely it was it

(02:11:28):
was new fresh, and we had never really seen anything
like that before. But like I said, his role was iconic.
You know, I sent, you know, all my condolences to
his family, his wife, his daughter, and all those other
family and but we're all impacted by this because, like
I said, he paid an incredible role for many of
us who watched the show.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
Indeed, indeed, again Malcolm Jamal Warner passes away swimming in
Costa Rica. Dies at the age of fifty four. Condocas
to his friends and the family, and will have more
on his tragic death in his life on tomorrow's show. Folks,
Trump made some announcement David go on the MLK Files.
We don't give a shit because it's not really that important.

(02:12:09):
This is just trying to distract from the Epstein stuff.
So we'll read the statement from the family tomorrow. But
just understand it's all bs and he's just trying to
change the subject. So we're not about to spend a
whole lot of time talking about it because it's all
trash anyway, because anything ja Eggo who we did with
co Intel Pro, Yeah, he was full of shit, all right.
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