Kirk “Conservative Revival,” Ilhan Omar Claps Back, Kimmel Returns, Trump Targets Reporter

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Speaker 3 (02:00):
We literally just got off.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Of the course and so I'll talk a little bit
about that now on today's show. Yesterday, massive rally in
Arizona memorial service for Charlie Kirk. Trump and his entire
cabinet were there. His supporters claim it was a rally
for Jesus, but that's really not what it was. We'll
have former Congressman Joe Walsh on the show to talk

(02:21):
about what we heard from there, even Trump saying he
despises he hates his enemies Democratic comments on the illehan
Omar Minnie Minnesota is calling up the GP Control House
for their fellow temper centure her over comments. Way to
the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. Disney decides to put
Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. We'll tell you about
that on the show as well. Plus Washington Post Commerce

(02:44):
Karen Atia claims she was fired for speaking out against
political violence and racial double standards.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
She will join us to discuss this as well. Plus
Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Dinna Grates another black female reporter and meant to make
more as of American Urban Radio Network, but showing us
here on the show, tugs it is time to bring
the funk.

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Let's go.

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He's got school, the fact, the fine and Winna believes
he's right on time and is rolling.

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Best believe he's.

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with entertainment, just bookcakes.

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He's rolling.

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It's growing up.

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It's rolling.

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She's real. Good question.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
No, he's rolling, Montee.

Speaker 10 (03:55):
Marte.

Speaker 8 (04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Today, folks up with one hundred thousand people were at
a NFL stadium in Arizona for memorial service for Charlie Kirk,
who was shot and killed on the campus in Utah.
Donald Trump and his entire cabinet were there as well.
There of course, you had various speakers there, including his widow, Erica.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Kirk, who also spoke.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
But what really struck folks was the tone coming from
the person you're seeing right now. This is literally what
he had to say about political opponents.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
In that private moment on his dying day.

Speaker 11 (04:37):
We find everything we need to know about who Charlie
Kirk truly was. He was a missionary with a noble
spirit and a great, great purpose.

Speaker 10 (04:47):
He did not hate his opponents.

Speaker 12 (04:49):
He wanted.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
The best for them.

Speaker 12 (04:52):
That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent
and I don't want the best for them.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Sorry, I am sorry, Erica.

Speaker 11 (05:03):
But now Erica can talk to me and the whole
group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right.

Speaker 12 (05:08):
But I can't stand my opponent.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, nobody's convincing him of anything because he degrades anybody
and everybody turning us right now for me a little
one congressaom Joe Walsh. He is the host of the
Social Contract with Joe Walsh his particular posts.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Glad to have you back on the show. Joe. Here's
what was interesting.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I was looking at Eric Ericson and to other people
who were commenting, and they were talking Joe about, oh
how this really this wasn't This was nothing like Paul
Wellstone's rally.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
This wasn't a political rally. This was a rally for Jesus.
It was a religious rally.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I'm sitting here going, do y'all act like we
couldn't see and hear what was being said.

Speaker 13 (05:50):
A Roland always good to be with you, my friend.
You know, Eric Erickson and the rest of them can
go jump.

Speaker 10 (05:56):
Think about this Jesus, Jesus.

Speaker 13 (06:00):
All over that stadium yesterday, everybody touting and preaching Jesus.

Speaker 10 (06:06):
And yet the leader of that gathering, the party leader,
is the very antithesis of Jesus.

Speaker 13 (06:15):
And just think about that, Roland for a moment, right,
Donald Trump is the very antithesis of Jesus. And yet
everybody in that stadium voted for Trump. They all support him.
They all by the way, when he said I despise
my political enemies, I hate them.

Speaker 10 (06:33):
The crowd cheered. The crowd laughed. Man, they can never
roll and get over. My friend's on the right.

Speaker 13 (06:41):
And look, the reason I love coming on with you
is because I come from the right and I'm a
reformed MAGA gangbanger.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know this, my friend, I know this.

Speaker 10 (06:51):
Cruelty and hatred sell on the right. It just does.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, it does. And so listen.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I don't have any problem with anyone have a memorial service.
I don't have a problem with anyone talking about Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm a Christian. But let's be real clear.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
If we're going to start talking about Jesus Christ, then
we're going to talk about what Jesus preached about, what
he talked about. And that is not the agenda of
Donald Trump and MAGA, and it wasn't the agenda of
Charlie Kirk in Turning Point USA.

Speaker 13 (07:27):
Yes, and Roland, thank you for speaking some truth there.
I knew Charlie Kirk well, he was like a son
to me. We went our separate ways when Trump came
on the scene. Charlie Kirk was a Christian nationalist. Roland
Christian nationalism, white Christian nationalism.

Speaker 10 (07:48):
It's all about.

Speaker 13 (07:49):
Making America formally a Christian country man. That is antithetical
to America. It's antithetical to Christianity. And so many of
those folks in that stadium yesterday Roland.

Speaker 10 (08:05):
They are Christian nationalists.

Speaker 13 (08:07):
They want a religious flow so that America can formally
be a Christian country. Man. We separate religion from the state.
These folks don't want that.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
And if you listen to Stephen Miller what he had
to say when he talked, he talked about you know,
evil and he was frothing at the mouth and and
and and look we know exactly who he is and
what he stands for.

Speaker 14 (08:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
And what gets me is then they get upset when
people don't agree with it. Then they get mad if
folks don't buy into what they're selling. And again they
act as if we don't have ears and eyes and
therefore we can't hear or see.

Speaker 10 (08:52):
Roland.

Speaker 13 (08:52):
They're trying to they're trying to silence us. They don't
want people to speak. And I've been pounded by this.
Don't speak poorly of the dead. Again, it's horrible that
Charlie Kirk was killed, but it is so darn important
for us to identify what's going on because Roland, this

(09:13):
is what my former political party is.

Speaker 10 (09:15):
And everybody listening to us now needs to understand this.

Speaker 13 (09:19):
The most powerful animating force in the Republican Party is
Christian nationalism, White Christian nationalism.

Speaker 10 (09:29):
This is the base of the party. It's no longer
some fringe movement. And it was on display yesterday.

Speaker 13 (09:38):
And for those of us who love this country and
love freedom and democracy and the freedom to worship, however
the heck we want to worship, man.

Speaker 10 (09:47):
We got to call this out for what it is.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
So former Democratic Senator from West Virginia, Joe Manchin, was
on Fox News. I guess he has a new book
out or something like that, and I can't believe he
even let these words come out his mouth.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Listen to this.

Speaker 15 (10:06):
President Trump is the person who can basically bring us together,
and I'm praying that he's able to say listen, enough's enough.
Come on, we're all Americans. We've got to live in
this world together, in our country and keep it the
greatest country on earth. We can't do it by tearing
each other apart. And I'm really hoping. I believe in him.
I believe he can do that. And with that being said,

(10:28):
he's able to calm down all this rhetoric right now,
and those who want to basically still spew it, then
that's fine.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
It's going to show you being on the extreme.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Rolland Joe, you and I, what the hell is he
talking about?

Speaker 10 (10:44):
You and I have heard so much in the last
fifteen years.

Speaker 13 (10:49):
That is probably the most stupid, the most ignorant, the
most ridiculous, and the most part hastan thing.

Speaker 10 (10:58):
I've ever heard. Joe Manson say.

Speaker 13 (11:01):
Roland Martin, he can't believe that Donald Trump is the
guy to bring us together. I don't know what Mansion's
deal is. And by the way, Roland, I'm a new Democrat.
I've only been a Democrat three months. Manchin left the
Democratic Party. All he does is rip the Democratic Party

(11:23):
when my former political party is an existential threat to
our democracy. I don't, for the life of me, know
what game Mansion's playing.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
No one on what game he is playing. And we're
not buying it. It's and it's simply not true. And
I'm just sitting here going, dude, this guy does not
care about bringing us together. He says, point blank, I
hate my political enemies.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'm sorry. What else do you need to know?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
And the people in there, the Steven the middles of
the world, the people in his cabinet. You look at
what their policies are. At the end of the day,
you see how they are attacking people. They've been doxing people,
calling people's jobs, getting people fired because of comments. They
actually have made a social media so again, on one hand,
they keep a spousing Oh, Charlie Kirk was about civil discussion,

(12:14):
he was about he was about debate, he was.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
About all those things anyway.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
But what they are doing, they literally are attacking anyone
and everyone who says anything, and that's what they are about.
And listen, I keep telling people this ain't gonna change.
Joe Manchick said, whatever he wants to is not going
to get better. This is what we are going to
have to confront over the next three and a half years.
And people are going to have to wake up and

(12:40):
they're going to have to vote in massive numbers in
the mid terms to shut these folks down.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Otherwise it will only get worse.

Speaker 13 (12:50):
Roland, your thought on and again, everybody listening does take
it from me, somebody who comes from the right.

Speaker 10 (12:57):
These are my former friends, support and voters. We got
to wake up to this.

Speaker 13 (13:04):
Nobody should be celebrating the assassination Charlie Kirk. But you
nailed it, Roland. What my former side is doing is
using the killing.

Speaker 10 (13:16):
To call for some religious war, some righteous war, some.

Speaker 16 (13:21):
Exactly world war, because thereafter Christian nationalism that is way
more dangerous than a few crazy people on the left
celebrating the assassination.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Absolutely absolutely, Folks. Check out The Social Contract with Joe Walls.
Download his podcast, check it out. Joe always opposed to.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Have you on the show.

Speaker 10 (13:43):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, my friend.

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Folks.

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Speaker 4 (15:25):
Cameron Trembles, CEO Hip Politics Media and former White House
Senior Advisor, joining us from DC Kelly Bathia Communications Strategies
out of DCS.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
We'll glad to have both of you here.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Cameron, it was crazy, just again to look at all
this commentary, all while seeing on social media yesterday how
they were trying to describe this event. It was outlandish
to act as if, oh, if you were not celeb
if you were not participating in this and reveling in this,
then you were not a Christian.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
That to me grossly offensive.

Speaker 19 (16:01):
To me too, as a Christians, as the son of
a United Methodist bishop, been a Christian and heavily involved
in my faith my entire life. As Joe Walsh pointed out,
so many the tenants of Jesus, or so many the
tenants of Christianity are completely the antithesis of what Donald

(16:22):
Trump and obviously what the Republican Party are are spewing.
Lack of forgiveness, lack of compassion, thinking about how much
they want to take away, and they're cutting, whether it
be for the poor, for the hungry, for education. It's
I think he had it right on the head in
the sense that this is an opportunity to really us

(16:43):
in them and with some of our founding documents of
this country have been about separation of church and state,
about the opportunity for this to be a country where
all people from all nationalities and definitely from all religions
are able to be able to freely practice. And for

(17:06):
them to see those people like cheering at going after
our enemies, to see them cheering about some of that stuff,
it just it fundamentally shifted my soul. Like I think
if you would ask any pastor, or any Christian or
anybody from any of the denominations in the Christian faith.
Like about some of those tenets, and you line them

(17:27):
up to what was being spewed yesterday, you'd be on
two sides of the page.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
But here's what we have to recognize, Kelly, and that
is there's always been a difference between the Christianity that
black people have practice and that evil slave holder religion. Look,
we can go back to not only just doing the
period of slavery, doing the peerd of reconstruction, but doing
the period.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Of Jim Crow.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
The reality is you have black churches who are operating
totally different, but they were focusing on compared to these
white churches. The Southern Baptist Convention was advocating racism, doing
Jim Crow, and so so many other dominations as well.
Doctor King said, the most segrated hour is ten am
on a Sunday morning. So it's not like what these

(18:13):
folks have been practicing is any different than what they
were practicing in nineteen thirties, forties and fifties.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
It really isn't.

Speaker 20 (18:20):
And I echo the sentiments of Cameron here because I
grew up in church as well, but I actually grew
up in the church similar and almost aligned to what
Turning Point preaches, what Charlie Kirk, I'm hearing that I
can't be heard, but I will keep going. But when

(18:43):
it comes to Charlie Kirk, white nationalism, Christianity as a whole, basically,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Okay, Kelly, keep going.

Speaker 20 (19:01):
The issue with white nationalism and white Christianity is the
fact that we are really in a situation where.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
They do not.

Speaker 20 (19:12):
Believe the same things that Black Christians believe. They simply don't.
I feel like white Christians come from or white Christian
nationalists specifically because I don't want to make two generalized
of a statement, but why Christian nationalists come from a
standpoint of conquering and colonization. Whereas black people we pray

(19:32):
for survival, we pray to survive, we pray to live.
Why Christian nationalists pray to conquer? And when you come
from those separate ideologies of thought, there's no way that
you can be serving the same Christ because Christ didn't
come down to conquer. Christ came to save, which is
why people pray to Christ. Right and Further, when it

(19:56):
comes to Charlie Kirk's comments, when it comes to his
so called Christian beliefs. Everything has to have a context
to it in order for you to feel good about
anything that he said. Right, everything that I've been hearing
is like, oh, it's taken out of context. It's taken
out of context. But the question that you really need
to answer, you need to ask and answer yourself, is

(20:19):
why do you need context for a racist?

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Why do you want to have context.

Speaker 20 (20:25):
For something that was so vile and it's in its infancy,
and it's in it's small and the small wording that
he said, Why do you want a larger context surrounding
such hatred?

Speaker 3 (20:41):
All Right, I got to go to break. We come back.

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The streets, a horrific scene white nationalist rally that descended
into deadly violence.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
White people are losing their their minds.

Speaker 21 (22:00):
Reproach Frump mob storms to the US capital ship.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
We're about to see the lies what I call white
minority resistance.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
real or symbolic.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
There has been what Carol Anderson at every university calls
white rage as a backlash. This is the right of
the proud boys and the boogaaloo boys America.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 20 (22:36):
This country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
The fee that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Taking out women. This is white being.

Speaker 18 (23:01):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Everybody is your girl? Otaster from the A and you're
watching Roland Martin on filtering.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
After eleven years as a successful cobblems with The Washington Post,
Karen or Tia has been fired. She claims that she
was fired well the Washington Post because she was speaking
out against political violence, racial double standards, as well as
America's indifference toward gun issue. She did not hold back
after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, criticizing conservative activists, recalling

(23:39):
for the firing of a number of people. Now, she
says a termination is part of a troubling purge in America.
Karen joins us right now on Roland Martin on filter. Karen,
glad to have you here so first and foremost. Okay,
so it looks like we lost Karen. So let me
know when we get her back, and then we'll move

(24:03):
forward with that particular interview. We're also gonna be doing, folks,
We're gonna be talking to in a little bit every
make Morris with Donald Trump's continuing first of all, insulting
black female journalists. Now, folks, now.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Check this out.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Okay, we got Karen back. All right, Caren, you're there.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, I'm here, Elyn.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Okay, all right, Karen, glad to have you here. So
let's let let's walk through what happened here with you
and the Washington Post. This obviously did not come out
of the blue.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Had this been building, had this been a lot of
back and forth, they claim you violated their social media politics.
Explain what they actually said to you as to why
you've been fired.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Yeah, first of all, thank you so much for having
me on.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
So Yeah, like so many other calmness, like I've been
doing for the last several years of my job, I
took to social media to just talk very very very
broad in general terms about America's history of political violence, of.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Gun shootings, of mass shootings.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
Again, it wasn't just Charlie Kirks shooting was not the
only shooting that happened that day.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
There was also the shooting of school children in Colorado.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
So at that time I was commenting on the empty
rhetoric of thoughts and prayers and political violence has no
place here, all of that. So I had a series
of those posts on Blue Sky and went about my day.
I mean, there wasn't a whole lot of backlash, There
wasn't a whole lot of sort of disagreement or anger

(25:50):
with anything I said. And then about twelve hours later
or so the next day, I get a call from
a DC number. Couldn't pick it up, just come back
from training martial arts. And then about two three minutes later,
I get an email with the subject mining notice of termination.

(26:12):
The letter that I got accused me of gross misconduct,
that my Blue Sky posts put my colleagues at risk
at physical danger, and that very specifically my posts referencing
white men and political violence, there were white men who

(26:37):
espouse hatred and violence was a breach of policy, and
that that was disparagement and disrespects in relation to kirk.
So those were the official reasons why I was terminated.
According to the Washington Post, which of course I categorically reject.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
And now, now here's what is strange. When you look
at white domestic terrorism in this country, it is largely
committed by white men. The Dylan Ruth killing nine black
people at Mother Emanuel in South Carolina, white man.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
The white man who shot and.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Killed ten black people at a supermarket in Buffalo again,
white man. The man who allegedly killed Charlie Kirk, white man.
So you are stating facts. So are they saying that
that's not factual.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, I'm very confused as to their.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
Denial of facts, as to their interpretation of facts, and
not just interpretation of facts. I mean, this is all
backed up by studies done by the Cato Institute, the FBI, the.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
National Institute of Health.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
And it's not just about the violence, but it's also
so about my commentaries about how we tend to, in
very broad terms, absolve caudal normalize white male violence and
men who espouse this hatred. And actually I was specifically
referring to the case in Minnesota Melissa Hortman and those shootings.

(28:21):
I was not even directly referencing Kirk because at that
time we didn't have a shooter identity. We didn't have
a motive, so I was doing my job and sort
of exercising restraint, right, you know, not getting ahead of
the facts, as we say. And yet somehow that was

(28:43):
gross misconduct. And according to the Post.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Last night checked, you were an opinion columnist.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
So was the Washington Post saying that they have an
issue with opinion, how mist giving their opinion.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Apparently that is the case.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
That's the way I was fired for doing my job
as an opinion, not just as an opinion calmness, but
its expressly. I've been told that we were supposed to
be social media presences, that our voices should be out
there in the public domain, you know, adding to the discourse.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
And also, you know, there's this was not a spicy observation.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
I can be spicy. This was if anything, this just
be This is not celebrating Kirk's murders. It was not
celebrating political violence. This was lamenting our inability to get
out of this doom loop of gun violence, of mass shootings.
I'm from Dallas, right like political violence has a cloud

(29:54):
over my hometown from the Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
That too, was a white man who killed.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Another white Man, this has been the backdrop of political violence,
and not just political violence, but anti government violence in
this country. And I've been saying this in my work
for years and I'm not the only one, and that's
somehow this tripped a wire.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, So let's just be clear.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
The Washington Posts, like the La Times, like so many
other media outlets, have been bending over backwards to kiss
the ass of Donald Trump. Jeff Bezos has been doing that.
The new leader of the Washington Post, Will Lewis, that's
what they're doing. And frankly, they have been trying to
get rid of people. They were doing buyouts. Folks were

(30:46):
taking those buyouts. Were you approached to were you encouraged
to take a buyout? And if you were, why didn't
you say? Why didn't you choose not to do so?
Knowing full well that a lot of your colleagues have
been leaving because of this new leadership at the Washington Post.
This Washington Post today ain't Catherine Graham's Washington Post during

(31:08):
Watergate on the Pentagon Papers by a long mile.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Mhmm, Yeah, lots of lots of questions. I mean, I
will definitely say, you know, just even earlier this year,
I published a piece about my writer who was killed,
Damalchuschukgi and challenging power and challenging the sort of romance

(31:34):
of these authoritarians, and they were proud to publish that.

Speaker 16 (31:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
The people asked, well, why didn't you take why didn't
you take it?

Speaker 8 (31:43):
By it, I actually had a long form project that
I had had a green light to go ahead and finish.
So I was still doing my job and working on
that projects, which I'd been working on for at this
point nearly a year. So I was still trying to
finish a project in a job that was still really

(32:03):
important to me, regardless of you know, what was happening.
So I was trying to focus and you know, keeping
my head down to an extent, and yet this happened.
And I, you know, I think I'm just the type
I wanted to. I recognize what it meant to be
the last black full time staff calumnists in the opinion section,

(32:27):
and I just wanted, I guess, to do the best
that I could, you know, and it all turned out
out this way.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Unfortunately, we are we're operating in a totally different world.
The Fourth of State, the Fourth of State has historically
hail power accountable, put pressure on power. New York Times,
Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, you know, Philadelphia newspapers and

(33:02):
other papers as well. But what we're now looking at,
We're now looking at corporate interests who don't give a
damn about the fourth estate, who don't care about journalism,
sacrificing journalism for the sake of profit in various deals.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I people need to.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Understand we're going to be worse off if this continues,
because if you don't have media holding power accountable, then
who else is going to hold them accountable?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Absolutely, and it's not just you know media.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
I mean, yes, media not able to hold people accountable,
but the self censorship, right, the chilling effects the people wondering,
you know where they're going to run across the trip
line and then get their entire careers. And this is
also against a backdrop against the climate increasingly, especially since

(34:05):
the Trump administration took hold of a decline in press
freedoms across so many press freedom indexes for American journalism, right,
And this is against the backdrop of decline and press
freedom around the world and a retreat from democracy.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
And it's all too often, at least in this country.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Particularly that black journalists are on the front lines of
that being taken out right. I mean, I think Brolin,
actually you might have been the very, very very first
when I was a baby journalist, a baby little we think,
MA to DC, you might have been the first on
air interview I might I might have had. And here

(34:48):
we are now on the independent, still wanting to do journalism.
We're having to do this outside of the traditional corporate media.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Just says a whole, whole, whole lot, right.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
And I think for a lot of how particularly black journalists,
we've been screaming, crying, throwing up, trying to warn people
that what is happening right now was going to happen,
and we were laughs at right, And it's I guess
I'm still processing what a lot of this means, you know.

(35:24):
Still for me, I'm still processing how eleven years not
just as a calmnist, but as an editor, as someone
anyone knows me, I care deeply about not only my
own speech, but I've edited and platformed writers from around
the world, some many of whom I disagreed with, but

(35:44):
understanding that power to be seen and heard is something to.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Be shared. But we're in an error. I think people
need to understand we're in an error of censorship.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
And I said that ever since the changes were coming
down from the opinion pages, that it wasn't just about oh,
we have these new pillars. I was like, Wow, okay,
an error censorship is on the way. I is here,
and I don't think Americans quite wraps their head around it.
This is something that quote unquote other countries, unfree countries do.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
No, the fire is here.

Speaker 22 (36:25):
Now what.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, and listen, journalism is going to be sacrificed by
these corporate overlords.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
So go to my panel with the questions. Cameron, you first,
what's your question for Kara to you?

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Oh, I'm not able to hear the question.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Karen, I can't hear can't Karen can't Cameron? Y'all mute, Bro?
Can you hear me?

Speaker 17 (36:50):
Now?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Can you hear?

Speaker 9 (36:51):
Yah?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Good? Now we can hear you.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Thank you, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 19 (36:56):
We all stand behind you and really praying for you
in your next steps and really hope you continue to
use your voice and even in independent media. H My
question here is had you seen a distinct difference pre
imposts the bezos takeover of Washington posts around around some

(37:16):
of like I said, the standards and and the standards
and practices and so forth around the reporting.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Good question.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
So I so my entire career as at the Washington
Post was in the opinion section, which is I'm looking
back on it now like I'm like, wow, eleven years
in the opinion section.

Speaker 23 (37:39):
So I.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
Had never been on the on the news side, which
there's a light distinction in the sense that the opinion
side we do get a wider first latitude right to
be able to you know, still be beholden to that.
Of course, many opinion writers columnists were former reporters. We
still do our own reporting. It's just we get an

(38:03):
opportunity to say more of what we think. So I
was brought on actually precise I was actually brought on
right when Bezos about the paper. So this is twenty thirteen,
So I was explicitly brought on to actually help with
social media, and back in the day, I actually helped
crafts social media guidelines to help train other writers to

(38:26):
be able to use social.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Media quite well.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
So act actually, the majority of my time in the
opinion section has been about using the power of the pen,
about using the power of the op ed section and
the editorial section. I actually used to write editorials, to advocate,
to have points of view. We were told by Bezos himself.

(38:49):
I sat across in a room with Bezos himself. He
looked as on the eye and myself too, and said,
I want you all to be provocative. I want you
all to be swashbucklers, is what he said.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
We were killing it.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
We were known for having pretty, you know, an active,
vibrant staff online and on TV. That was actually a
part of I think the Washington Post brand as opposed
to you know, certain perhaps other competitors that were a
bit more hemmed in as.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
To what they could say on social media.

Speaker 8 (39:20):
We were We were actually, I think pretty free as
a as a major newspaper, dealing with how to deal
with the social media world and everything. So a lot
of us young folk who were brought in during that
time were actually quite diverse. Of course not not so
much could be improved, but we actually had a lot

(39:41):
of diversity of editors, a lot of diversity of producers.
We were able to comment on a range of political
and cultural things, so black Lives Matter, me too movements
around the world. So it was definitely, you know, not
just a more open place, but a place where freedom
of expression and and advocacy for journalists. My colleague Jason

(40:03):
Resign was imprisoned. Bezos was quite behind the effort to
get Jason out, and then of course my writer Global
Opinions writer Ja Kashucci. We really stuck our flag in
being a home for the protection of journalists. So my
head is spinning as to how we've gotten here where

(40:26):
journalistic freedom now is quote unquote a risk to the
Post instead of something that they paraded around as you know,
they're bona fides.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
It's a weenity.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Kelly, Thank you, Hi, Karen.

Speaker 20 (40:46):
One thing that has come about in this entire discourse,
especially pertaining to your departure from the Post, is the
concept of cancel culture versus censorship, right, and I do
not personally believe that there is that they're synonymous. Uh So,
in your opinion, what do you necessarily think happened as

(41:09):
far as the difference between cancel culture and censorship? Can
you you know, see how that line was towed or
frankly just all the ways stepped on, crossed, what have you?
And how is that impacting journalism as a whole.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm glad you asked this. Question, because I think
what is going on. I've always thought the sort of
cancel culture.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Name trend was it was.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
Sort of a trend, was sort of a it was
sort of a way for people to with bad ideas
to claim that they were unfairly being uh, you know,
victimized and pushed out. Frankly, I think a lot of
it given that, like cancel culture, the idea of being
canceled actually came from black pop culture, this idea that

(42:00):
like black people.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Especially marginalized people especially.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
We're getting a bit more of the mic, particularly I
guess under the Obama administration.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Particularly when it came to sort of black Lives Matter,
and particularly when it came to the rise of the internet.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
In my mind, I always thought that there was that
was a bit of the backlash, not so much about
the cancel culture, but that whitefles especially weren't centered, right,
So equating not.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Being centered with being canceled was one thing.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
I think what we are seeing now is beyond cancel culture,
is beyond disagreement. If anything, if there was a lot
of wow, we just don't like your opinion.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Wow, you're just wrong. Here's what we think. Here's the.

Speaker 8 (42:50):
Female perspective, or the marginalized perspectives that never make it
into the pages.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
What this is, what this Frankenstein is.

Speaker 8 (42:58):
I'm calling this is annihilation and culture because this is
not about a debate.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
You don't get the FCC involved.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
In with a comedian's night show and say that is
cancel culture. That is, we will threaten not only your job,
but your institution. We will chill the entire sector. People
are getting doxed over this issue, losing not only their
their livelihoods but their safety. People are getting death threats

(43:28):
over this, and we actively are hearing people in the
administration like this is a challenge. Will we still have
a First Amendment right? That's not just cancel culture. That
is an annihilation, a desire to not have free speech,

(43:49):
that is a desire to eliminate your perceived enemies. That
to me is an annihilation culture, which is chilling and frightening.
And in the context of what I know you all
were discussing with the Charlie Kirk memorial event yesterday, I
think we should take that into account in terms of

(44:12):
our but we have at least left of our free
speech rates right now.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Also joining us right now is doctor Julian Malveaux economist
President Emerita been at college. I'm glad to have you hear, Julian,
you're talking to Karen Idea, formerly the Washington Post.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Yes, Karen, I'm a big fan of your work.

Speaker 18 (44:35):
Follow kids don't agree with you all the time, but
I do think that you're a great writer, and I appreciate.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
What you've done.

Speaker 10 (44:41):
I am concerned.

Speaker 18 (44:43):
I like the term that you use annihilation culture, because
that's kind of what's going on is just erasing opinions
to one extent as we look at what's happening right
now with you but with many others, and the context
of what I call the canonization of Charlie Kirk. They

(45:04):
made him a say they're gonna give him presidential metal
freedom when he calls black men's super but a pen
of that. But to what extent do you believe because
I've read the pieces that you wrote, I didn't see
anything egregious in them.

Speaker 22 (45:18):
To what extent do race and gender play in the
way that you were essentially canceled? And what do you
think that those of us are not only your fans,
but also folks who want to hear both sides and
do about what happened.

Speaker 8 (45:36):
To you, Well, what is chilling in my case, both
chilling and nonsensical, is the explicit reasons, at least that
the posts cited as examples were basically saying that I
crossed the line by mentioning white men. Actually, if you

(46:00):
go back to my commentary, I didn't say, oh, white men.
I didn't even say some white men. I made a
very specific description and relative clause. I said violent white men. Right, So,
for me, as an opinion columnist, particularly one that focuses
on race and gender, you're saying that I can't talk

(46:22):
about white men. Are they now a violent white man?

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Excuse me?

Speaker 8 (46:27):
Is violent white men a protected class? Which would then
actually through the point of my blue Sky post. And
this is why what is happening to me with the
post is going to be so chilling for any reporter
that deals with race patterns facts. This is legitimately again protecting,

(46:52):
at least as the letter stands now, saying that we
should protect violent white men. And so to that extent,
I can say obviously that that is how race and
gender is directly tied into I know there was a
lot of sort of misinformation or assumptions that it was

(47:14):
because I had talked about Charlie Kirk's Just One post
about Charlie Kirk's views on black women and brain pro
their lack of what he claimed of brain processing power,
and stealing white men's slots. But actually what the post
was saying is not only that, according to the letter,

(47:36):
I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, not
only that my references to violent white men factually posed
a risk to them was a gross miss. Uh what's
it called grosse misconduct?

Speaker 9 (47:54):
But that.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
Right, I mean, it's it's it's it's setting a really, really,
really sort of dangerous precedent for anyone who wants to
be able to write accurately about this country, not just me.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
And not only right, but also to give their opinion.
Last question for you, Karen, what's next for you? What's
your plans?

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Well, stay tuned.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Obviously I categorically reject and deny what was brought up
in that letter and that this is a wrongful action
that they took against me, So stay tuned from more
on that. But right now I am on substack, so
you can find me at the Golden Hour on Substack.

(48:44):
I am also because this is not the first time
I've been canceled with talking about race. I taught race
and media at Columbia University and that past did not
get renewed.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
So I am actually in my rogue a radical professor era.

Speaker 8 (48:59):
So I'm teaching race, media and international affairs on my
own online in the next few weeks. You can go
to Resistance Summer school dot com and sign up. I'm
teaching this to a version of my Columbia course online
for seven weeks, so we'll be talking about everything from
the beginning of the League of Nations in nineteen nineteen

(49:23):
and the racial Equality Clause, to colonial papers to the
black press. So I'm just really determined to still keep
going even if these you know, institutions are caving and
are being cowardly, we still have to keep going anyway.
So for those who want to still take my class
or to contribute towards scholarships for others, you can sign

(49:45):
up for as low as one hundred dollars for recorded
lectures and guest speakers. I had a great summer pilot
this summer with five hundred students and forty scholarships.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
So I'm going to keep teaching. I'm going to keep
doing my things, so anyway, well.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Again, look that's important.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Look twenty thirteen, I love seeing then those twelve years
ago spent six years there having missed it one bit,
left TV one seven years ago, having missed it one bit.
And so the reality is journalists continue to do the
work and to continue in because the audience is there.
It's just a simply a matter of having to build
it and not having to wait and rely on corporate media.

(50:29):
And trust me, I think it's going to be a
whole lot of people who are going to be trying
to do the exact same thing because journalism today at
these companies is not what it was ten twenty thirty
years ago.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Cam, we appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Thanks a lot, Maroland, thank you for support. Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Thanks a bunch folks. When we come back, we're gonna
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Speaker 4 (56:05):
All right, folks, we know that Donald Trump is a vile,
disgusting individual. The first time he was there, he attacked
numerous journalists, specifically female journalists, even more specific black female journalists.
It was April Ryant, it was Jamail Hill, it was
yamish El Sindor, it was Rachel Scott. Well the other day,

(56:28):
uh in the Oval office when reporters were asking various questions,
but he made Morris of American Urban Radio Network pose
the question to Donald Trump regarding the National Guard in Memphis.

Speaker 12 (56:40):
And this happened, and we're going to be going in quiet.
You're really obnoxious.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
I'm not obnoxious, but I'm trying to ask you what
about your plans? I'm not obnoxious, but I am asking
what are you?

Speaker 12 (56:54):
I'm not going to jump to until I call you.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Who else?

Speaker 12 (56:59):
Go ahead?

Speaker 21 (57:00):
Yeah, I actually sell this free speech question because you've
said that you restored free speech in America.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (57:06):
Is that free speech including.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
For people who are harshly critical of you, for your
political opponents, for people who say things you don't want.

Speaker 12 (57:12):
To become immune to. I've become immune to it.

Speaker 11 (57:16):
There's never been a person that's had more unfair publicity
than me.

Speaker 12 (57:20):
And that's why your network made.

Speaker 11 (57:21):
Me fifteen million dollars or sixteen million dollars. I believe
to be execuate slap Adopolos and That's why CBS paid
me a lot of money too, And that's why I
sued The New York Times two days ago for a
lot of money just because well, I'm winning. I mean,
I'm winning the cases. And the reason I'm winning is
because you're guilty, John, You're guilty. ABC is a terrible network,

(57:43):
of very unfair network, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
NBC is equally bad. I don't know who's worse. I
think they're equally bad. And you know, for you to
stay in there and act so innocent and ask me
a question like that, but look, you've paid a big
price because you would just honest, Jan. The reason I
won that lawsuit is because you were dishonest. You were

(58:04):
proven to be dishonest, and so you can't sit back
and just say, oh, well, what do you think you know,
like you're some wonderful person.

Speaker 12 (58:11):
You're not a wonderful person. Frantically, you're a terrible reporter.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
You know it, and so do I.

Speaker 12 (58:16):
Okay, here's.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
So what you saw there.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
As Donald Frum, he does on a regular basis. He
attacks John Carl, he attacks Peter Alexander.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
He does not care.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
He is not respectful he is not civil. Uh, he
is an ingrate, He is a ghoul.

Speaker 16 (58:39):
He is a.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Completely despicable human being joining us right now is able
to make Moore's White House corresponding for American Urban Radio
Network and first and foremost Medy.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
First, we're glad to have you here, and so explain
to people what happened. Explain to people what happened.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
There, because again reporters there in the Oval office, they're
asking questions. A lot of people don't really understand what
that process is. It's called a spray, and they got
different words explained, they got different phrases for it.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
But explain people what was happening.

Speaker 26 (59:11):
So we were a part of the pool, and the pool,
most people don't know, is made up about eleven or
more different media outlets, and that pool follows the president
what they whatever he does on that day.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
And so we were called.

Speaker 26 (59:24):
It was not open to all press, only the pool members,
which is why there were only a limited number of
reporters in there. And we came in the room, and
I don't if you saw the entire picture. When you
came in the room, he had a bust of Lincoln
on the desk with that big gold card on the
side and I'm walking in the room. Normally I'm always

(59:47):
yelling out. I just don't hardly ever get a question,
and today that day, I decided to just double down.
But I'm thinking, as I see Lincoln, I'm thinking about
Roberty Lee's painting that they just hung back up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
While I'm looking at at at at this bust of Lincoln.

Speaker 26 (01:00:05):
And this goal card, this executive order that is basically
a pay to play program for wealthy elites to come
into this country. I'm seeing that at the same time,
and I'm I really.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Just wanted to know.

Speaker 26 (01:00:17):
I had several questions. One was on Memphis, another one
was on two black men found hanging from a tree,
one at Delta State University in Mississippi. The others I
had a couple on Charlie Kirk, But I really wanted
to also get to questions that we don't really hear about.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
What is he saying about the d J scrubbing a report.

Speaker 26 (01:00:39):
That that that talked about right wing extremists and what
they're doing in this country, how they're having I could
just only get the Memphis question out, and I had
always we've seen him be great reporters over and over again,
and I just.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Wasn't having it on that day. I just was was upset.

Speaker 26 (01:00:59):
And this is a couple of days before the Charlie
Kirk funeral. And so when I was yelling, he kept
calling to the person on my left and my right,
left to my right.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
If you watch the whole thing.

Speaker 26 (01:01:10):
In fact, one reporter got in like four questions and
I said, well, you know what, this time, I'm just
gonna just keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
I'm tired today.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
That's how I felt.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
And uh, well, and to that point, and to that point,
when people don't realize, uh, you know, they'll shit there.
Even in the White House Press brief. They'll call on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox.
I mean even Fox trashes them, even when Biden was there,
Obama was there. Fox trashes them left and right, and
they still show them more respect by calling on them.

(01:01:43):
And folks like you rarely ever get called on, uh
and and and you're fighting for time and and and
the questions that you're trying to ask. And let's be
perfectly clear, Uh, you didn't get called on a lot
by Karine Jean Pierre in four years by so I
ain't got a problem saying that. And so you're constantly there,

(01:02:04):
like so you're showing up every single day in the
White House of briefing, and there are questions that you
have that are specific to add to the interests of
African Americans that rarely ever get called on. And people
have to understand the reason that's so important is because
other reporters are there, people are watching online, and when
you raise something, these white reporters are not going to

(01:02:27):
raise those things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And so all of a sudden, hell, a lot of
stuff is news.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
To them because they ain't penitent to themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
I'm glad you said that. Let me just say this.

Speaker 22 (01:02:37):
You know who was in the room.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
Sean Spicer was in the room. I was like, not
even a journalist. What we have seen in this administration
is that if the room was opened up to everybody.

Speaker 26 (01:02:49):
But going back to you know, your last last comment,
I hear people often say, where are the reporters?

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
Why aren't they saying anything? Where are they?

Speaker 26 (01:02:58):
We are in There are some of us in the
room for Black owned and operated reporters AU are and
is Black owned and operator.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
They're literally there's only a handful of us. There's literally
only a handful of us. And this is the most
reporters I've seen in that briefing room ever. Literally it
almost it goes to the back of the room almost
to where the kitchen is, and so it is literally
a fight in there.

Speaker 26 (01:03:19):
And what you also don't see is that you have
even some of these MAGA reporters while their press briefing
is going on, commenting loudly at some of the reporters
because they don't like what we're saying or some of
the questions. You just had that before, small sneers, But
there have been confrontations that that didn't get on camera
that I have seen happen outside of that room.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
That's just the amount of tension that's in that room.

Speaker 26 (01:03:43):
So we're there, but I also want people to know
that fight just doesn't end in that White House in Rowland.
You and I always talk about this though. The fight
and the work happens outside of that. We already know
what is going to be said. I could have told
you he was going to spend that question from the beginning,
but I also know that I still regardless, just like
Alice Alison Dunagan, the first black White House reporter with

(01:04:07):
black reporter with female reporter with credentials It took years
for her to actually get called on, but she still
had to keep raising her voice.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
She still had to keep pushing, just like ethol Paine.
We have to keep doing that in the fight.

Speaker 26 (01:04:21):
Isn't just there, it's outside, it's in the community, and
our voice is important because we come from those communities.
I've heard so many things in that room sometimes that
I'm telling you that have.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
Disturbed my soul.

Speaker 26 (01:04:34):
And so that day, on that day, I just I
just had to say, I'm not going to let you
rage bait, because this president rage baits. So if I
can get you in an exchange or do this he
called Yamish second rate, then we can go back and forth.
But I Am not going to let you just say
that without me at least saying no, Now, let's get
back to Memphis. No, I'm not obnoxious, Let's get back

(01:04:57):
to Memphis. He told me to be quiet. I paused
for a seat, and I just kept going. But that
is just the snippet of the fight that we go
through on a day to day basis. But we cannot
we cannot quit. You talked about earlier the fourth the State.
It is our role as reporters and we're seeing a
shift to be like a watchdog, right to whole power accountable.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
When we talk about.

Speaker 26 (01:05:22):
Our role in here is it is shining a light
on government and corporate actions and keeping it accountable and
making sure the public knows what's being done. That's why
you talk about it. I talk about it all the time.
The black press is so important. So the president called
me so obnoxious, Well, guess what obnoxious means unpleasant? I
will absolutely be obnoxious when it comes to finding out

(01:05:45):
what is going on with my people, what you're doing
in this office, and holding true to power and accountability.

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
I don't mind being that. At first, I was like, no,
I'm not.

Speaker 26 (01:05:53):
I came home my daughter. My daughter said that means unpleasant.
Let's get unpleasant. I said, you know what, you absolutely right.
I'd be well to had to get unpleasant. I don't
know anybody who's had to fight in this country, especially
for the freedoms of black folk, and you didn't have
to get obnoxious.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
I'll be indignant to.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
One of the things there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Of course, when he called you obnoxious, you like, no,
I'm not so. Typically what happens when he had taxed reporters,
They don't say anything back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
They don't respond, and you were.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Like, Nah, you ain't gonna sit here and try to
call me out, and I'm just gonna sit here and
just suck it up and take it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
He got four sentences.

Speaker 26 (01:06:30):
He got over four sentences in with the other reporter,
and my face was like, are.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
You gonna cut him off?

Speaker 26 (01:06:36):
I get it, it'll throw you off in the beginning,
but I'm like, you're not gonna get four sentences though,
I mean, he'd be rated him.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
I was like, at some point, can somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
In here cut in?

Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
But that was his fight.

Speaker 26 (01:06:53):
I did what I had to say and just shut
it down. You're not gonna get the whole sentence out.
But at the end of the day, he our role
is so important, right, And because we're trying to figure
out what to do at this time, he started off
Roland talking about Charlie Kirk and we always say this, No,

(01:07:14):
that was a haineous crime.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
It was horrible, No one should do that.

Speaker 26 (01:07:19):
But I was troubled in my spirit because I am
tired of white Christian nationalism draping itself in this martyr language, right,
And so we end up risking, we end up sanctifying oppression.
And they end up nailing themselves to the cross right.
But we have seen white nationalism, this language just nail

(01:07:43):
itself to Jesus. We've seen it during reconstruction. We've seen
it during Jim Crow.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
We've seen it. I mean even on January sixth, they marched.

Speaker 26 (01:07:52):
The capital and they prayed, they prayed, they kneeled and prayed.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
You are not going to do that, and so it's
dangerous and it happens. We have to call we have
to call it out.

Speaker 26 (01:08:06):
And they are choosing I would say, empire over church,
government over church, even though they say they're coming in
the name of church. So that was that was weighing
heavily on me on that day too, But I just
had to say, what is going on in Memphis.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Questions for my panel, I'll start with you, Cameron.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
One.

Speaker 19 (01:08:31):
Thank you for standing up and thank you for pushing back.
I don't think as a former White House aid and
having been in those rooms, having seen the pool reporters, uh,
it takes a lot of courage in those settings to
really stand up and push back against, especially against a
president like this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And that's where my question is.

Speaker 19 (01:08:52):
It's often I my experience, haven't seen it up close
and which we've watched over the years off and there's
almost a while there's competition amongst all the different reporters
and trying to make sure their questions and their questions
get answered or they get quoted, get their quotes. There's
also some sort of like I won't say like brotherhood's sisterhood,

(01:09:15):
but there's some sort of like shared collective and often
you sometimes will see reporters who may stand up, or
may push back, or may follow up with that same
question if your question got answered didn't get answered. Have
you seen in covering Trump these last nine months and
covering the White House these last nine months, have you
seen other reporters or other outlets either stand up for

(01:09:36):
you or kind of follow up on the questions you
may be shouting out that get overlooked and they following
back up and like repeating them or being helpful to
try to get some of your questions into their questions
that do get answered.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
No, no, un as you've seen that when you've watched
the z S Band.

Speaker 26 (01:09:54):
Not when it comes to first of all, let's just
be honest, because many of us will get on the
phone and say, okay, sometimes we have to do counter
black people in the room. How many questions do you
see come from us? And I definitely don't see necessarily
a follow up. I understand what you're saying, because I've
seen that before. If someone got cut down, they would

(01:10:14):
then come and say, well, let me follow up on that.
You do see it sometimes, But some of the questions
that I've yelled out, I've not had anyone do that.

Speaker 23 (01:10:24):
But this.

Speaker 26 (01:10:27):
Government, this administration, in many ways has tried to delegitimize
black reporters. I mean we've seen revoking of credentials. I
would say this president in some ways we are seeing
a Nixon style things run like that. So there's like

(01:10:48):
an enemy's list, there's an enemy I mean, we've seen
the enemy's list. He puts this is than just me.
He puts it on truth Social One thing you can
say about this administration. One thing you can say is
that he puts his card out there, a book about it, right,
so we can't be surprised he puts it on Front Street. Now,
why America does not want to believe I don't that

(01:11:08):
I don't understand, but I will say this, the importance
of this moment, even in light of what happened with
Jimmy Kimmel. People canceling their subscriptions, don't go back. Take
that subscription and then go find a black outlet. Take
that subscrict don't go back. Yep, he's back on. But

(01:11:31):
take that money and put it to where and put
it to some good use. Because people are always saying,
where's the black media?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Where?

Speaker 26 (01:11:38):
And I all or they spew stuff that they hear
on TV on mainstream media, and there's they're black reporters,
they're black outlets that are giving you more information.

Speaker 7 (01:11:49):
But it is also an economic fight. You got to
put your money where your mouth is, put your money
where your hope is. What do you want to see?

Speaker 14 (01:11:57):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:11:57):
Who are those outlets that are giving you that information?
That little bit that you think just goes to that
subscription that twenty dollars? Why not support black media?

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
I never got off in the question, but I had Julian.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Oh yeah, now you got it, Julian, I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:12:16):
Here, yes, Roland, I want to follow up what sister
said about supporting black media. You are a icon in
that you created your own platform and have given voice
to lots of folks. The challenge right now, in my opinion,
is that there are too many. I wrote a piece

(01:12:37):
last week called welcome back towards there are too many
folks who are.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
Really not willing to lift their voices.

Speaker 18 (01:12:44):
They're willing to go along to get along. But the
fact is that we know, you know, let me just
drill down for a moment. Roland from this perspective, this
man said he was going to fix the economy, and
what he's done instead has created a series of distractions,
dystopian drama.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
The economy has not been fixed.

Speaker 18 (01:13:08):
So I always have to go back to that I'm
an economist, go back to the fact that unemployment rates
are rising, that the black unemployment rate right now is
seven point five percent, twice the right waight, that three
hundred thousand black women have lost their jobs because of Doge.
We have to go back to any number of things.
And when we go back to those things, we go

(01:13:29):
back to the fact that inflation is rising. That he
actually had his hand picked doodle op put onto the Fed,
and that man could not even argue he wanted a
half a point reduction. Jerome Powell and the others said
a quarter point reduction. His own doodle wop could not.

(01:13:52):
He wanted it to go down by two points. He
could not even justify.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Okay, okay, Julian, Julian, what's your question for what's your question.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
For abony Ebandy?

Speaker 23 (01:14:06):
What is?

Speaker 18 (01:14:07):
How would you share with me the backlash on Lisa
Cook and what can we do to support that sister
who has been basically totally vilified and as.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
That band does, what can we do for Lisa Cook?
Not be silent?

Speaker 26 (01:14:29):
You started off by saying it sometimes people just take
a back seat or they don't talk about it. The
thing about the wonderful thing about black media is that
when mainstream media moves on, right when they've got the
snarky headlines out and it's been said and moves on,
the issue still persists. We have we cannot remain silent.

(01:14:51):
We have to keep pushing this story. We have to
check up on those people especially. I mean, it's crazy
because we the Supreme Court today the ruling with the
FTC that he may be able to let go of
board members.

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
This Kanji, he.

Speaker 26 (01:15:10):
Said, you've elected a we're electing a king, and so we.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
Cannot remain silent. That that, honestly is is the key.

Speaker 26 (01:15:19):
Jimmy Kimmel, whatever, that's fine, But black media, we have
to keep that story in our mouths, and we also
have to support each other.

Speaker 7 (01:15:28):
There are stories.

Speaker 26 (01:15:29):
There are times I actually watch a lot of different
outlets and read other outlets because there may be something
that I'm missing. I'll watch rolling all the time. I'll
go back to my audience and reference him. Right, So
we have to even in our sphere, we have to
support each other. That's very important. Most of our outlets
are limited. We don't have as many resources.

Speaker 16 (01:15:48):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
There's not a black outlet that's in the travel.

Speaker 26 (01:15:52):
Pool, so we do in town travel. So we have
to we have to to come together collectively to support
each other, to support each other's stories. And when we're
sharing things online, we show all these funny things and
all this other stuff. I need us to start sharing
things that's meat, things that's going to help us. We
feed ourselves so much junk food right socially and culture

(01:16:14):
and politically. But we got to get some meat on
the bones. And that's how we stay informed. Because what
I don't want is what we saw in the last election,
and people would.

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
Be like, I didn't hear her talking about that. I
didn't see that. Who was covering that? We've been covering it,
we've been covering it where.

Speaker 20 (01:16:32):
You been, Kelly, sure so, Ebanie, I'm a fan of
your work as well. And I want to almost reiterate
the question that I gave to Miss Karenataia earlier regarding
the differences between cancel culture and censorship, because what I

(01:16:53):
saw on that clip of you on c SPAN was
censorship and with can culture, at least culturally, no pun intended.
It was really about elements of accountability and holding people
accountable for their actions and the consequences of not being
held accountable for your actions.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
So can you.

Speaker 20 (01:17:16):
Put your spend or give us your opinion on the difference,
how that line has been thinning, and what's next for you?

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
I would say when we talk about cancel culture versus.

Speaker 26 (01:17:31):
Censorship, when I use the word censorship to me, I
just think now we're talking about legal issues here. When
we talk about the freedoms. The First Amendment protects five freedoms.
The First Amendment is protecting speech, it's protecting press, it's
protecting religion, assembly, and petitioned right, those are the things

(01:17:51):
that it covers, and so at its core it says
the government cannot, the government cannot, the government cannot, and
the government cannot control the press, so I would put
censorship in that in the in that category, so it
cannot do that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:09):
But we are seeing the fundamental rights that we've had.
We're still having to fight for them and push for them.
So it's important that.

Speaker 26 (01:18:17):
Let me take some the situation when Jimmy kinb but
I was six days and he's back, you know what
I mean. Now, who knows whether some of the different
stations will will cover it, but six days I didn't
see a huge someone have to come to the front
of the line and say, hey, we're going to have
a meeting here and announce a boycott and do this.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
No people immediately responded. It was people had to drag
people to the table for target fast. They had to
have news conferences, We had to have this. Okay, what
day we starting.

Speaker 26 (01:18:48):
Okay, let me go get all my stuff first before
let me get like we shouldn't have to prepare.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
It's go time.

Speaker 26 (01:18:54):
If I'm I'm not going to put my money in
a place as we always hear Darknor says and repeat,
where I am funding my oppression, I don't need a
press conference anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
It's go time. Six days. Come on, if we galvanize
like that on so many other areas. What could we
do in six days? What can we do? I think
people need to understand the power that they have.

Speaker 17 (01:19:20):
Media.

Speaker 7 (01:19:21):
We have to use the power that we have.

Speaker 26 (01:19:23):
And yes, sometimes it's scary, because when President Trump gott
in office, I did have to have a conversation with
family and friends.

Speaker 7 (01:19:32):
Let me just tell you what can happen sometimes, let
me figure out how to prepare.

Speaker 26 (01:19:37):
And for those I'll say this lastly, it doesn't matter
what your industry that you're in, because we saw this
happen with government workers. This is a we have seen
during this presidency a president who has tried to censor
and go after companies if you are supporting boycotts.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
He has gone after people and.

Speaker 26 (01:19:56):
Tried to push executive orders for people who are trying
to peace fully protests that something that I have a
right to do. So there's censorship going on all around.
But on the meantime, and I know Roland, you talk
about this while we are in our industries and working
build on the side, because you never know when the

(01:20:17):
rug is going to be snatched out from under you.
And then we also have to support each other. We
have to have we have to have the word community
in our mouth at all time.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
No one is coming to save us.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
And that's absolutely true. Everything we appreciate it. Keep handling
your business there at the White House. And look, we
got to be there to challenge them, to push them,
to product them and let them understand that we ain't
back and down.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
We ain't going nowhere, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Thank you, Roland.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Thanks a lot, folks.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
She is driving these maga people out of their minds.
They were so upset because she was on MSNBC The
Weeknight Show and she had some critical words about Charlie Kirkin.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Right, here's what she's.

Speaker 23 (01:24:01):
There's you know, a president that is always unhinged, always ranged,
always creating chaos and division, and he seems to have
a real obsession with anyone that is an immigrant in
this country that is not of European descent. You don't
hear him talking about the accent of his wife and

(01:24:23):
you know the fact that she came here as an
immigrant or any of those things, or the fact that
she gets to have an opinion even though nobody elected
her into office. But he has an objection to a
person who does serve over seven hundred thousand constituents in Congress,
who's literally elected, has the same certificate as he does.

(01:24:44):
But I think for me is I feel embarrassed for
him because in these attacks what he does, and I
think what the likes of Nancy Mays and whoever that
Randy guy is, they expose themselves for how stupid they are,
and that is embarrassing for us as a country because
these are people who are elected to positions of leadership.

(01:25:04):
He's supposed to be the President of the United States
who's heading off to Europe to represent us when he's
uneducated enough to understand that members of Congress can't be impeached.
You know, when you have Nancy and Randy saying, you know,
we were on it, We're going to impeach her, when
they're saying they're going to deport me, knowing full well
that you cannot deport an American citizen. What that displays

(01:25:28):
for not just Americans, but folks on an international platform
is that our country is being led by idiots, and
that is not something that we should be comfortable with
as Americans, and that's not something that should make us proud.
And so in this moment, I feel great sadness as
an American that these are the kind of people that
the world gets to see representing us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
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Phil.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
She ain't going nowhere. So, I mean, I know, you
conservative white guys y'all can't handle that. And y'all notice
that these women of color just drive them crazy. I mean,
they can't not stand congress Woman ill Illehan Omar, who
will be on our Schiletta this week. They can't stand
COGE congress Woman Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
They love attacking her.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
They love attacking congress women, Ayanna Presley, they love attacking
congress When Alexandra Kazell Cortes, they love attacking congress women
were sheated to leave?

Speaker 20 (01:26:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
And so you know, I think, you know, I would
think Kelly, these people they hate.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Women, but they sure can't stand women of color. Who
who they can't stay with?

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
The color who's peaked their minds? Who's not who's not
afraid of them?

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:27:03):
I want to even say that they hate women. I
would say that they hate themselves because most of if
not all, of their rhetoric has some type of projection
attached to it. It's like, you're calling her stupid, but
she's very well educated. You know who wasn't very well educated,
Charlie Kirk. You're talking about people who have called us moronic, demonic, stupid.

(01:27:26):
You know, pick a word that is negative and evokes vitriol.
It's coming from a place that you see in yourself.
It has nothing to do with us, It has nothing
to do with black women. It has everything to do
with the fact that you don't like change. You don't
like the fact that you are no longer being centered

(01:27:47):
in a narrative that has nothing to do with you.
You are projecting. You are projecting and hiding behind this
veil of Christianity that frankly, if Christ today came down
like apparently he's supposed to do in a couple hours
with this raptor talk going on, I don't think your

(01:28:08):
clothes would be folded and you would be in the
ether with your Lord and Savior. I don't think you
would recognize your Lord and Savior, considering that he was
a Palestinian jew and dark skinned with hair like wool.
That's not the one that you're worshiping. I don't know
what you're worshiping, but it's not the God that I serve, right,
And it is sad that it has come to this.

(01:28:29):
It is sad that we are in a state of
affairs where you are literally seeing the mediocre failing up
and disparaging those who actually put in the work, who
actually do care about this country, who actually wanted to
succeed and be better, right, and not just trying to
reserve remnants of a history that was negative for frankly

(01:28:51):
everybody involved.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
Well, it's in is that I just.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Go ahead, you'll learn him.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
Go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:29:02):
I'm looking at Phil Michelson, a mediocre golfer. You know
more about golf than I do. But you know, he's
peaked and then he's dropped, and so he has something
to say about ilhada Omar, who is brilliant, who is amazing.
All of the squad are really talking about the centrality

(01:29:23):
of the constitution. The constitution, flawed though it may be,
really does speak to voice.

Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
They don't want voice, they want.

Speaker 18 (01:29:34):
Hegemony, and that's what they're attempting.

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
To deal with.

Speaker 18 (01:29:37):
They're trying to canonize Charlie Kirk, making him a saint,
which he wasn't. Tragedy that he died, Oh well, but
I'm not being flippant. But the fact is that when
some one is canonized for calling black women stupid, he's
being candidized for disrespecting black women, candidized for dealing with

(01:30:00):
with all of that is disgusting. But more than that,
what we're seeing right now is an attempt to change
the narrative about this country. Even the founding fathers did
not believe that we were a Judeo Christian country.

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
This is what they want. They want to erase.

Speaker 18 (01:30:19):
Anyone who does not fit into their narrow white occasion,
their narrow white occasion of essentially the narrative. And so
it's important, Rolin, for.

Speaker 10 (01:30:34):
You to be out there.

Speaker 22 (01:30:35):
It's important for a whole list of people to be
out there. It's important for.

Speaker 18 (01:30:41):
Us to resist this nonsense because it is nonsense. But
so many people, I'm really looking at some of our
Democratic legislators who are trying to play nice.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
You cannot play nice with evil. You simply cannot play
nice with evil.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Well, Karen, I love that Omar and Crockett are just
driving these people insane.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
They every time they talk, they just oh my god.
Milchleson even was.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Tweeting about Crockett as well, and I was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Like, oh, just make him crazy. And I'm like, Phil,
you should get your ass off Twitter, go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Practice on your golf game because you have sucked in
the last two or three years.

Speaker 20 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:31:26):
Yeah, I think what something that's really interesting that it's
coming up is that. And I think it has happened.
It's not just been the Charlie Kirk assassination, It's not
just been this film makers and tweet But something that
has been laid to bear is how many followers, how
many people, how people really feel. That's one thing I

(01:31:48):
will if I'm going to give Trump some credit for,
is that he's allowing people to really show their true colors.
And I think this even as even as we talked
in the previous segment and understanding the power of our convening,
the power of our dollar, the power of our protests,
we can really kind of see who's for us, who

(01:32:09):
has been living behind a veil, a veil of nicety,
and now that they're kind of unleashed and feel they
have unfettered access to be able to say whatever they want,
to be able to come, to be able to come
after our elected leaders, to be able to come after
black women, to be able to come after black men,
to be able to come after Latinos, be able to

(01:32:30):
come after so many of different groups. I think it
allows us to now kind of see clear eye. Who
are we supporting? I mean Phil Micholson. I mean, like
I said, I know we're ragging on where he is
is the golf game, but he's I mean objectively one
of a golf legend.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
He's done so much.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
But now it lets me know, Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:32:49):
I'm not supporting any of Phil Micholson's golf clubs. I'm
not supporting any Phil Micholson because I'm an avid golfer.
I'm not doing whether it's his golf balls, his shoes,
is any of it that I don't need to put
my dollars there. I don't need to say fund my oppression.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
I think I'm so proud of congresswomen, Congresswoman Omar.

Speaker 19 (01:33:09):
I'm so proud of so many of those that the
few that are standing up, especially on the Democratic Party,
and they continue to be inspiring to so many more people.
And then and like it actually makes me feel good because,
like I said, now we can kind of see people's true,
true colors, and it allows us to know, all right,
you know what when this all subsides, When this all

(01:33:29):
as we move forward, we know who's not who we're
not supporting. We know who's dollars those one point some
of my trillion dollars are black spending. That's when we
need to be taken note of, like hit him where
it hurts. The thing they seem to only care about
is the money. So let's make sure we're not funneling
money back into our pression, back into those people who
gladly see us gone, gladly see us wiped off.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Third, well, the last couple of weeks have certainly shown
me who I will be unfollowing and blocking as well
on social media. All right, going to break, we come back.
Why is the Trump administration trying to hide the hunger
the hunger data in America? And another racial Jair Mandarin case,

(01:34:14):
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Somebody got to do it, might as well be me.

Speaker 17 (01:34:43):
Back in the moment, I'm doctor Greg Carr and coming
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us on his journey to discover and celebrate Black philosophy from.

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
My undergraduate years at first, all the way through my PhD,
I was never in a philosophy class where I had
a professor who was a person of Athros discern nor
a sign of tach written by a person of Africans.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Ever, how he pushed.

Speaker 17 (01:35:14):
Back that those who said there was no such thing
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Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
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Speaker 25 (01:35:31):
On the other side of Change, Hurricane Katrina twenty years later.
Cannot believe that it's been more than twenty years since
we saw black people and black communities across New Orleans
and the South being failed by our government.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
But it's a Heroin lesson.

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We're going to unpack how race and class intersect in
ways and how we need to talk about this government
doing more for our communities.

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Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
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Speaker 12 (01:36:05):
Martin on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
For all of their proclamations about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
Let's be real clear, Maggot doesn't care about poor people.
Donald Trump doesn't care about poor people, and so is
evidence about by what they have done. So check this out.
The Trump administration, they're ending the annual Hunger Report. Their

(01:36:37):
claiming has been overly politicized and rife with errors. It
comes two and a half months after Trump signed legislation
is sharply reducing food aid to the poor. The Congressional
Budget Office has estimated that the tax and spending cuts
would mean three million people would not qualified for food Stamp.
This is a statement from the Department of Agriculture. The

(01:36:59):
used Department Right Culture announced determination of future household food
security reports. These redundant, costly politicized, and extraneous studies do
nothing more than fearmonger. For thirty years, this study, initially
created for the Clinton administration as a means to support
the increase of STAP eligibility and benefit a lot been
failed to present anything more than subjective and liberal fodder.

(01:37:22):
Trends in the prevalence of food and security have remained
virtually unchanged, regardless of an over at eighty seven percent
increase in the STAP spending between twenty nineteen twenty twenty three.
USD will continue to prioritize the sterritory requirements and where necessary,
use the bevy of more timely and accurate data sets
available to it. Okay, so this is what's stupid to me, then, Okay, Cameron,

(01:37:44):
if you're saying that something is wrong with the data
and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Going to use new data, why you're getting rid of
the report.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
No, you're getting rid of the report because you don't
want people to know the increase of folks who are
in poverty, and then because you're cutting food substrties.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
That's what this is all about. It has nothing to
do with the data.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
So if you're saying, oh, these reports a many people
with bad data, but we're going to be getting new data, fine,
put the new data in the report. They can't do
that because they know the new data doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
It's a lie.

Speaker 19 (01:38:24):
I think this is literally one of the biggest alarm
bells and one of the most the thing we should
be most afraid about because this is an unsettling trend
from the Trump administration where they are taking away public reports,
whether it's the FDA, the CDC, the DOJ statistics. I

(01:38:47):
mean he look, he threatened to get rid of his
Department of Labor folks over at the department later because
he didn't like the job.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
He didn't like the job numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Being updated and re reported.

Speaker 19 (01:38:59):
They are trying to and as we see what they're
doing with the FCC and trying to use it as
a bludgeon on media, they are trying to control a
narrative to paint, to paint a picture. They will never
say the word recession, even if we're deeply in a recession.
They'll never say there's a hunger problem, even though any
person on the street, you can go to any fifty

(01:39:21):
states in America, and I'll show you people who are
hungry and with so many people from that big beautiful
bill who are going to lose. I think it's estimated
some three million people may lose SNAP benefits. And mind you,
everybody thinks SNAP and thinks food stamps. So they've promalgated that,
Oh that means black people minorities. No, they're way more
white people on SNAP than there are black people and

(01:39:43):
minorities who are on that. But what is scary is
that what we could rely on and what independent parties
could rely on thing takes research universities who are able
to build reports on this, agreed upon what they thought
to be factual data. Now that is going away. Now
we won't be able to understand what's happening. And this is,

(01:40:06):
like I said, this is a disturbing trend across the
administration for them to be taking down normally publicly available
statistics for every American who pays their tax dollars to
be able to see to understand how the government is performing,
to understand how various departments and how various agencies are performing.

(01:40:26):
This isn't a full attempt to hide, and they already
showed they don't care about hungry people. They don't care
about homeless people and onun house people. They don't care
about those who aren't doing as well financially. So this
is another way to bury that stat and make those
people in their plight even more forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Yeah, and so this is real clear, Julian.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
When there's data that they don't like, their first response
is Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
We're going to get rid of it.

Speaker 18 (01:41:01):
You know, Roland, I've been around the block a whole
bunch of times. I remember back when I worked actually
the Carter administration, and they tried to take they had
black and other, and they would not drill down on black.

Speaker 10 (01:41:17):
It was just black and other.

Speaker 18 (01:41:18):
I think at one point they were calling me a
non white.

Speaker 10 (01:41:21):
And this echoes.

Speaker 18 (01:41:23):
Data tells the truth, liars tell lies.

Speaker 10 (01:41:29):
People do not want to.

Speaker 18 (01:41:30):
The whole issue of disaggregated data has been an issue
as long as data has been collected. Who are we
collecting it about? We want to show the gaps, the
racial wealth gap, the hunger gap, other gaps.

Speaker 10 (01:41:44):
And this is what we're seeing here.

Speaker 7 (01:41:46):
That hunger report has been reported for more.

Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
Than thirty years.

Speaker 18 (01:41:50):
I mean, I was a baby girl economist under Carter
when that was being reported here. We fast forward forty
years later and we still have people say they don't
want to hear it. But the fact is that they've
been collecting this data bipartisanly. It's not been democratic data
or Republican data. It's simply been data.

Speaker 13 (01:42:14):
And so.

Speaker 18 (01:42:16):
This administration's attempt and we've seen it before. Let's not
be let's not get a twisted we've seen it before.
People don't want to know the truth because the truth
really hurts. And what hurts is we know, as brother
said earlier, we don't how many people are hungry. You
don't have to collect the data for you to tell
me that you're hungry. You don't have to collect data

(01:42:38):
where people say they're not working. But what we have
now is the data has been gold standard data, bipartisanly.
But this administration like others before them, and I can
tell you stories of about the time that I think
Reagan wants to include imprison people as working to look

(01:43:04):
the unemployment rate. This was a long time ago, but
data can be manipulated unless you have confidence in data.

Speaker 10 (01:43:12):
The sister who was leading the Bureau of.

Speaker 18 (01:43:14):
Labor Statistics had no political acts to grind. However, they
because they did not like the numbers, they tried to
throw the numbers away and here we go again.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
But here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
But here's the deal, Kelly. For Trump Maga, it's very simple.
Poor people, out of sight, out of mind.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
That's what this is all about.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
He doesn't even want he doesn't want to see poor people.
He didn't want to talk about poor people. He didn't
want to get questioned. And the whole thing is a
whole bunch of those folks who are in that report.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Those fools actually voted for him.

Speaker 20 (01:43:53):
And that's what's really interesting about this, the fact that
we're talking about us DA, who is the organization, The
agency itself is historically known for favoring white farmers, favoring
non people of color and ranching and land owning and
all of these things, making like gatekeeping programs from people.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Who look like us so that they can benefit.

Speaker 20 (01:44:19):
Right. But what's interesting, and it's been alluded to by
my colleagues here, but I want to bring the point
home in government, you can't get money without data. You
cannot get money without data.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
What does that mean?

Speaker 20 (01:44:33):
These nonprofits that you know, help with food insecurity, that
help with people who are on house that apply for grants,
that ask people for money. How do they ask people
for money? They ask for sponsorships, They ask for grants,
and they apply for these sponsorships and grants, and they
use commercials whatever marketing materials and marketing strategies necessary.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
Right.

Speaker 20 (01:44:57):
But at the end of the day, at the part
of all of that strategy is data, and they pull
it from what used to be nonpartisan sources such as
the government. So when the government is saying that we're
not going to collect the data, it's not even that
it's unaccessible to you. We are stopping the collection of data.

(01:45:19):
You are stopping money from getting into the hands of
people who can help independently, people who can help these
communities that look like me, that look like you, that
look like your white counterparts. Right, So it is not
just a situation in which you don't want to deal
with poor people. You don't want to deal with anything

(01:45:41):
that says that, frankly, we're fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Up all right, folks.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Last story here and another example of when you have
to follow the law. Federal judge has ordered Jefferson County,
Alabama's largest county, to redraw the Commission district maps. US
District Judge Madeline haikyla rule of the current plan violates
the Fourteenth Amendments ban on ray short jerry mandry. The

(01:46:10):
twenty twenty one pen playing packed black voters into two districts,
diluting their voting power elsewhere. The federal judge order of
the county thirty days to produce a new map, or
the court would drow one itself. The NAACP Legal Defense
Fund calls the ruling a victory for a pair representation,
while county lawyers are already preparing and appeal. And so, folks,

(01:46:34):
we're seeing this all over the place when it comes
to these maps.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
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Julian, Let me thank Cameron, Let me thank Kelly being
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