Kirk Shot, Rep. Frost & Rep. Higgins Clash, Jeffries Rips Trump, Lisa Cook Ruling

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today's Wednesday, September tenth, twenty twenty five coming up on
roland Mark Nunfiltup streaming live on the Black Star Network.
MAGA influencer in the host of Excuse Me, founder of
Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk, shot and killed while speaking
at a university in Utah, will have the latest details. Also,
shooting took place today in Denver at at Denver High

(00:41):
School will have those details as well. Folks, it got
real hot on Capitol Hill during a congressional meeting over
proposed bills to increase federal control of DC's criminal justice system.
Democrat Maxwell Frost of Florida called out Republican Louisiana Commerceman
Clay Higgins, calling him a lapdog for Trump.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Whay did we show you what took place?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
How's Democratic leader how King Jefferies accuses Donald Trump and
House Republicans of failing to lower costs where everyday Americans
will show you what he had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Plus a judge says bet or.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
A Reserve Board governor Lisa Cook can remain in her
job for now. Plus a Texas pastor a Texas right
when Christian pastor says white parents should give their kids.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
The talk about violent black people. Yes, that happened.

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Speaker 1 (02:27):
Shot with the events out of Utah, where Charlie Kirk,
founder of Turning Point USA, a conservative organization charged with
building up young people UH to support Donald Trump, MAGA
and Republicans, was speaking at a university where he was
shot and killed. Shots rang out just as Kirk began

(02:48):
speaking at Utah Valley State University. The Compensator was hosting
his well known Proved Me Wrong table discussion at the
time of the incident. The irony is in the situation
that Kirk previously said that gun debts are unfortunately worth
it to keep the Second Amendment.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
A lot of people have been talking about that. UH.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
There was video that was shown of police taking an
individual down, but that has not been confirmed if that
was the person who indeed fired the shot or persons.
As of now, no suspects. Those suspects are in customing. Again,
as we said, Kirk was answering questions from the audience. Uh,
and this is what took place moments before he was shot.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Our Valley State University have been mashooters over the last
ten years.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
Too many?

Speaker 8 (03:44):
Fine, okay, now, mind us a lot, right.

Speaker 9 (03:45):
I'm gonna give you give give you some credit.

Speaker 10 (03:47):
Do you know how many mashters there have been in
America over the last ten years, counting or not counting
gang violence.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Great, we chose not to show you what actually place.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
You did hear the shot there, and it was moments
later after when Utah officials said that Kirk had died
as a result of that gunshot wound. Donald Trump and
others from the right, as well as folks on the left,
have decried the shooting. Folks who have talked about prayers

(04:21):
for Kirk's wife and children, and lots again, lots of
folks have been commenting about what has been taking place.
And as we said, as of right now, police have
not said that anyone has been detained. We don't know
the details. We don't know if this was one person,
if this was multiple people. We don't know how far
away the shooter was. We have none of those details.

(04:42):
All we know is that Charlie Kirk, thirty one years old,
has been gunned down while speaking at a university in Utah.
As details become available, we will have those for you.
We'll be right back roll unfiltered on the Blackstone Network.

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Me, Folks, while we we're in the commercial break there,

(10:01):
FBI director cash Buttail posted this on Twitter, go to
my iPad, please, he says. The subject for the horrific
shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is
now in custody. Thank you to the local and state
authorities in Utah for your partnership with FBI. Will provide
updates when available. Someone earlier had been taken into custody,
but that person was released determined not to be the shooter.

(10:23):
But again, moments ago, FBI Director Cash Betail said a
suspect has been taken into custody in the fatal shooting
of Charlie Kirk. And so once we get the details,
we'll find out if the FBI will be holding a
news conference while we are alive, and we'll let you
know the details of that folks. Today in Denver, a

(10:44):
shooting took place at a high school in Denver. Three
people are in critical condition, including the suspected shooter. It
took place at Evergreen High School in Jefferson County.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
There.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
This is a story from the Denver Post. It says
hundreds of long police and law enforcement officers respond to
the school at two nine three zero zero Buffalo Park
Road after nine on one call reported an active shooting
at twelve, twenty four pm Local time. Jefferson County Sheriff
Office spokesperson Jackie Kelly said at a briefing Wednesday afternoon,
not clear whether the suspected shooter was struck police was

(11:17):
shot on themself. The juvenile suspect was a student at
the school, but no additional information, but their denny was
available according to the police. There there's no ongoing threat
to the community. And so again that was a school
shooting today at Denver where three people were shot as
well as these suspected shooter. And again they are in

(11:38):
a critical condition and so we'll be awaiting details of
their condition as well. So that is absolutely a tragic
story there, that shooting that took place in Denver, in Colorado,
but in an area around Denver. Lots of conversations been

(11:59):
taking place in this country with regards to crime in America.
There was a heated congressional hearing today in Washington, d C.
Where members of Congress were debating this very issue, and
so a major major discussion. Fireworks erupted literally between the
Congressman from Florida, Maxwell Frost, as well as New Mexico

(12:23):
Congresswoman Melody Stansbury and Louisiana Congressman Clay Higgins. They went
back and forth over the issue of extending the National
Guard in the nation's capital Donald Trump, of course, or
at that to take place, as he said, to tap
down crime. Well Ford questioned Higgins and why he was
frost I'm sorry question Higgins and why he was not

(12:45):
calling for the National Guard troops in his homestate of
Louisiana as he was in the capital of city. Giving
their crime rates Louisiana are a lot higher. Here is
that contentious back and forth between these three.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Did the President ask you to do this?

Speaker 18 (13:01):
We're debating the bills as we speak.

Speaker 14 (13:04):
That's what a mark up is, mister comer.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Did the president ask me?

Speaker 18 (13:07):
I haven't talked to the president.

Speaker 21 (13:09):
Was this mark up called pursuant to the president's occupation
of Washington?

Speaker 22 (13:13):
We've had this mark up on the books for a
long time, and so there's there is when we're participating
in a market.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
There's no coordination with the White House.

Speaker 18 (13:22):
On this markup. I haven't talked to the White House,
but I mean there's always coordination. We want we support
the President's You.

Speaker 21 (13:30):
Didn't with the White House on the development of a
bill that would create the actual entity.

Speaker 11 (13:36):
That he said he wanted.

Speaker 19 (13:37):
There was no coordination.

Speaker 22 (13:38):
We support, we support what the President's done. We've sat
back and watched and we've seen the crime rates go
down significantly in Washington, d C. And we want to
make sure that crime stays down in Washington, d C.
You don't like the bill, you can vote against it.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
I'm asking you a question because we haven't heard this bill.
Did this bill? Was this bill drafted in coordination with
the White House?

Speaker 11 (13:58):
I'm asking the it's not my bill.

Speaker 19 (14:00):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Does the sponsor want to answer that question?

Speaker 23 (14:05):
I would say that we we support President Trump and
bottom losses.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
This simple question, did do you want to coordinate with
the White Houses?

Speaker 23 (14:12):
People are dying in Washington, see white has been cleaned up.

Speaker 19 (14:16):
Mister chairman. We need order. We need order, mister chairman,
just a question. Debate with mister chairman.

Speaker 11 (14:24):
We need order.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Is the debate that is any that marketup? Is my dear,
this is a debate.

Speaker 11 (14:29):
Over the bill.

Speaker 23 (14:30):
It should be common sense. We're just trying to keep
the American people safe.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
They're dying in d C.

Speaker 11 (14:35):
And we are looking at President's plan and work Washington,
d C.

Speaker 23 (14:39):
We are going to codify what President Trump did to
keep the American people safe. Okay, I don't care if
you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
We love you, but we've got to keep you safe.

Speaker 21 (14:48):
Okay, let me ask you another question. I'm going to
ask the sponsor this question. Have you ever been inside
of city Hall?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes? Or no? I have not.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Have you ever did a city council meeting here in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 23 (15:03):
I've spoken with people all.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Everything meeting here in Washington dec.

Speaker 23 (15:08):
They thank us that they can walk down the street
and walk their dog and ride on a subway without
getting stabbed.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Did you consult with the part or any members.

Speaker 23 (15:18):
Of people coming and develop more in other places because
they know the laws are too lax here and it's
not safe.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
I'm asking the sponsor this bill, did you consult with
the mayor or the city council in the development of
this bill?

Speaker 23 (15:32):
I consulted with the people of Washington, d C.

Speaker 8 (15:34):
You did?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Can you tell us some of who you consulted with?
Can you tell us who you consulted with?

Speaker 23 (15:42):
Sir, Congress has jurisdiction over Washington C.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
But I talked.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
I'm asking you a very simple question. Who did you
consult with Did you consult I just answered you, But
you consult with the law enforcement of Washington DC.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
I talked to police officers as well.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yes, I'm asking that I spoke with law enforcement.

Speaker 23 (15:58):
I spoke with restaurant owners. I spoke people walking their
dogs all around DC. You, they said, thank God, exactly, God,
we can walk down the street without being stabbed or
mugged to be part of a drive by. I can't
believe a Democrat Republican opinionby would not like this common
sense legislator.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Do you live in the Washington Do you live in
the Washington, d C?

Speaker 24 (16:18):
Lady, we're all here.

Speaker 19 (16:20):
I'm asking here.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
We're a resident of Washington.

Speaker 25 (16:24):
Recognize our colleague from Louisiana.

Speaker 21 (16:26):
Sir, I'm still I have my time here. I'm asking
the sponsor the bill. You have debate time on your own.
There's plenty of time to debate.

Speaker 23 (16:32):
Do you live here in the city of You're all
here in d C, representing our districts across the country.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Exactly, we have jurisdiction. Exactly my point.

Speaker 21 (16:41):
If you wanted to run for mayor of Washington, d C,
then you can move to Washington and run in a democratic,
free and fair election times in actually.

Speaker 18 (16:53):
Any other membersity recognition.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's German. Mister m Higgins. I just like to say
that I'm.

Speaker 25 (17:06):
I'm glad that the general lady just performed in the
manner that she did, because America is watching and and
it it exhibited like this display you're displaying. I'm quite
sure you're a wonderful person.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
All right, folks, we're gonna pause that video. Were gonna
come back to Let's go live to Utah.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
And I just want to remind people that we still
have the death penalty here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Our nation is broken. We've had.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
Political assassinations recently in Minnesota. We had an attempted assassination
on the governor of Pennsylvania, and we had an attempted
assassination on a presidential candidate and former president of the
United States and now current President of the United States.

(18:20):
Nothing I say can unit us as a country. Nothing
I can say right now can fix what is broken.
Nothing I can say can bring back Charlie Kirk. Our
hearts are broken.

Speaker 24 (18:34):
We mourn.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
With his wife, his children, his family, his friends. We
mourn as a nation. If anyone in the sound of
my voice.

Speaker 10 (18:48):
Celebrated even a little bit at the news of this shooting.
I would beg you to look in the mirror and
to see if you can find a better angel in
there somewhere. I don't care what his politics are. I
care that he was an American. We desperately need our country.

(19:16):
We desperately need leaders in our country. But more than
the leaders, we just need every single person in this
country to think about where we are and where we
want to be, to ask ourselves, it is this what
two hundred and fifty years has.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
Wrought on us.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
I pray that that's not the case. I pray that
those who hated what Charlie Cooks stood for will put
down their social media and their pens and pray for
his family, and that all all of us, all of

(20:02):
us will try to find a way to stop painting
our fellow Americans.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
With that, We're happy to take a few questions.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
The FBI director is posting that is social that a
suspect using custody out. It's just like clarification, do you
or do you not have a suspected shooter in customer?
We have a person of interest in custody that is
being interviewed right now we do what is not George?

Speaker 7 (20:25):
That is not George Zin That is correct?

Speaker 26 (20:28):
Are you still sci foreigner looking for another shooter or
anybody else.

Speaker 10 (20:32):
Related as Yes, we are actively looking for anyone and
everyone who has any any possible information relating to the shooting.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Can you tell us detail us about the suspect being
taken to custody.

Speaker 11 (20:45):
Where you know how long ago?

Speaker 10 (20:48):
We cannot at this point, but we will get you
that information when when we can.

Speaker 26 (20:53):
Is there believe to be a second individual involved in
the shooting?

Speaker 10 (20:58):
At this point, there is no information that would lead
us to believe that there is a second person involved.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
The possible shooting. We do you do want to talk
about what we know there?

Speaker 27 (21:14):
The only information we have on the suspect, the possible
shooter is taken from close circuit TV here on campus.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
We do have that and we're analyzing it.

Speaker 27 (21:24):
But it is security camera footage, so you can you
can kind of guess what the what the quality of
that is. But we do know dressed in all all
dark clothing. But we don't have much better description other
than that the shot came from here on campus, from
a location at a fair, potentially from a roof yes,

(21:48):
a longer distance shot from a roof.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
So clarify with the.

Speaker 26 (21:53):
Security camera footage you have and the person interests in custody,
do those does not match up?

Speaker 7 (21:58):
That's what we're trying to decipher right now.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So did FBI or DHS have anything on the threat boards?

Speaker 7 (22:04):
I can't speak.

Speaker 26 (22:06):
I'll just say that the investigation is ongoing and as
soon as we have further information, we will be sure
to release it.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Any educations for an intelligence involvement.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
As now, I can't comment on any of that.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Can you talk a little bit about the security of
the event itself? But who was there?

Speaker 7 (22:21):
Security wives and what happens on these kinds of events?
Should you flow?

Speaker 26 (22:27):
So, my name is Jeff Long, I'm the police chief
here at UVU, and I'll tell you right now we're devastated.
We're a small, small police department. We have a very
large campus. We have over forty thousand students, and we
love our students, we love our visitors, and we're devastated
by what happened today. This is the police chief's nightmare.
I'm very saddened for the Kirk family.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I know his.

Speaker 26 (22:51):
Wife and parents found out about this. You know, obviously
he's away from home. He's here in Utah. They find
out by a police officer that visits their home.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Tragic. Nobody wants that.

Speaker 26 (23:01):
But I can tell you about our venue today. This
was an open venue. This is outside. We did have
six officers work in that event. We had probably over
three thousand people that were in attendance, sat down in
kind of a bowl area here on the central campus,
we have a waterfall area and so he was kind
of in a lower area surrounded by by buildings. You know,

(23:23):
we we had uh some playing closed police officers that
were in the crowd as well.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
You know, we trained for these things and you think
you have things covered and you know, these things, you know,
unfortunately they happen.

Speaker 26 (23:39):
You try to get you try to get your bases covered,
and unfortunately today we didn't and because of that we
had this tragic incident. So we did have officers there.
We had Charlie Kirk's team. He has a security team
that travels with him and they were here with him
when when he when.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
He was shot. I'm sorry, see at this point, I
can't disclose that.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
There was a question being asked.

Speaker 26 (24:06):
About mass shooting.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Was that person apprehended and do you.

Speaker 16 (24:10):
Know who asked that question?

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Say the question again? I don't know if I understand
what you're saying. Charley Kirk was shocked.

Speaker 21 (24:15):
He is answering a question about mass shooting specifically, was
that person apprehended?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
And do you know who asked that question?

Speaker 7 (24:23):
I do not. We do not have that at this moment.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Lately, ladies and gentlemen, we have time for just one
more question, So thank you.

Speaker 11 (24:33):
For the chief.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Well, was it your team or Kirch team or a
combination of both? Kind of set the security coote.

Speaker 28 (24:39):
Call for you?

Speaker 26 (24:40):
Then, so we worked together. You know he has his
team and then they do this all of the country.
We all know that this is not uncommon for them. Uh,
They're very comfortable on campuses. And I was coordinating with
his lead security guy and uh so, yeah, we were
working together.

Speaker 10 (24:56):
Was a shooter type shot, Ladies and gentlemen. That's that's
Those are all the questions that we will be answered today. Again,
thank you for for covering this.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Uh we will be UH.

Speaker 10 (25:07):
Will be updating you as soon as we have additional
information through through normal channels working with law enforcement. Again,
are our deepest condolences to the to the Kirk family
and H and to the students who were who were
there today and UH, I would I would just ask
everyone everywhere to please pray for their family and UH

(25:29):
and to pray for our country and we need it
now more than ever.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Thank you, folks.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
That was Utah Governor Spencer Cox holding his news conference.
That was not UH the FBI news conference. He was
there of course with UH the campus police UH at
that UH university.

Speaker 8 (25:47):
UH.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so we still are waiting to hear from the
FBI UH in terms of their news conference about what
took place today in Utah. We're going to go to
a break, we come back. We're going to go back
to that congressional hearing and then have a conversation with
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As we were talking about that was a discussion on
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be able to extend National Guard in Washington d c UH.
It was a back and forth between a Congresswoman Melissa Stansbury,
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on that conversation. We broke it off while we went
to the live news conference in Utah.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Let's pick it up here.

Speaker 25 (29:45):
Person and your family loves you, you know, and I
don't really know each other, so I don't mean this
in a personal way. I'm just observing that you're that
you're displayed. Thank you for enhancing the point I'm about
to make. Your display demonstrates exactly the sort of elitist,

(30:12):
arrogant tone that Americans across the country are going to
recognize as the hallmark of your party.

Speaker 18 (30:23):
So we sit back and and I would give you
yield my entire time.

Speaker 25 (30:29):
To you to carry on like that, like to demonstrate
to the American people, this is what the Democrats like.

Speaker 11 (30:37):
To your time.

Speaker 24 (30:38):
I'm happy to take elitism.

Speaker 25 (30:41):
And as you stated to me, good lady, you can
have your own debate time as the chairman.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
Are you would you yield a minute to me? I
have a question the I have a question that the.

Speaker 22 (30:53):
Mister Higgins yields back, and I just want to make
sure everyone knows mister Higgins his career in law enforcement.
Mister McGuire was the Navy Seal, and I think they're
sincere in their efforts and what we've seen over the
last three weeks.

Speaker 18 (31:08):
In the massive reduction in crime in Washington, d C.

Speaker 22 (31:11):
And I appreciate their opinion and words of advice, and
just wanted to make sure everyone knew what we were
dealing with here. Now, is any other membership recognition, mister Frost.

Speaker 9 (31:25):
No, I just have a question for my colleague from
the state of Louisiana, because I'm curious as to where
your bill is. Louisiana is the state with the second
highest rate of deaths in this nation. You are more
likely to be shot standing on a random street in
your state than you are in Washington, d C. So

(31:47):
my question is, where's your bill for the occupation of
the state of Louisiana to keep your people safe? If
you're at all Since here in this yield for an answer,
I yield for an answer.

Speaker 25 (31:56):
I support state right. So I'm a constitutionalist. DC stand by.
As a constitutionalist. I support my state, my sovereign state's legislature,
which is doing everything it can to push back upon
the crime rate of the Democrat controlled city.

Speaker 9 (32:16):
Okay, so I'll take my time back. I'll take my
time back.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
It's the rules.

Speaker 11 (32:20):
That's the rules.

Speaker 9 (32:21):
I'll take my time back. I'll take my time back.
So you only invoke the rules when other people are speaking. Now,
when you're speaking, Okay, I agree with you. Look, I'm
for state sovereignty. So what do you think about California?

Speaker 24 (32:34):
California is not where I live. You're asked her about
my state.

Speaker 11 (32:38):
See you, you only care.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I'll reclaim my time.

Speaker 9 (32:42):
I'll reclaim my time. I'll reclaim my time. I'll reclaim
my time.

Speaker 14 (32:46):
I will reclaim my time.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
This gentleman, will stop, I will reclaim my time.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
You're more likely to be shot standing in a random
story or state anywhere, Washington, d C. And you're here
because your lap dogs in the barns of the United States.
Who during the election list year we said time and
time again, I reclaimed my time.

Speaker 14 (33:10):
Down, mister Chermany, all right out on.

Speaker 24 (33:12):
My colleague just called me a lap.

Speaker 25 (33:15):
Dog for the president of the United States.

Speaker 13 (33:18):
I'll moved for his well do taken down a second
stand in, we'll stand in uh.

Speaker 18 (33:27):
Uh recess for a second. Here, we will suspend to
see about taking the words down.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
Missus shim and I asked you know, his consent to
withdraw my remark.

Speaker 22 (33:47):
Gentlemen's uh, I asked you to have sent to withdrawals
remarks without objections ordered.

Speaker 18 (33:53):
We will proceed with the debate. The words were taken down,
and uh.

Speaker 9 (33:58):
I will continue with the remainder.

Speaker 32 (34:00):
Point of order.

Speaker 18 (34:00):
Frost has three minutes, okay, point of order.

Speaker 32 (34:04):
My point was that mister Frost has a right to
his time, yeah, a an obstructed time, an opportunity to speak,
and I think if we afforded him that right under
the rules, then we wouldn't have this back back and forth.

Speaker 22 (34:18):
That's he started by asking if people would yield to
a question. I think that's how it all.

Speaker 32 (34:22):
He reclaimed his time at least given him, giving him
three hearing.

Speaker 18 (34:29):
Sir, I'm a spectator. Okay, you got three minutes, but
Frost go ahead.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
This body is full of lap dogs doing any doing
exactly what the President wants when he wants it, not
pushing back.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And what we just heard.

Speaker 9 (34:49):
This exchange with with me and my colleague is indicative
of the problem here. You don't none of you know
anything about Washington, d C. You're talking about a so
called you know, walking down the street and talking with
people on the on the that are walking their dogs,
people in the restaurants you go to, which might not

(35:10):
be full of people from d C anyway. And it's
just sad. It is sad. We need d C statehood.
There are people, Yes, we need d C statehood. We
need to put this behind us. We need to stop.
You know, it's wild to me that we're here debating
with people from the Republican Party, a party that's supposed

(35:33):
to be about states rights and local rule and people
the consent of the governed, which is fundamental to our
Constitution and this country. But before you, we have activists, organizers.
People are here to say that they want a voice,
they want to be represented by the government, that they

(35:53):
pay taxes to Free d C. D see, and it's
just grand to sit here with other members who have
higher murder rates than Washington d C. But not say,
not invite the president to occupy their own state with
the military. So I think it's important that we're here

(36:20):
today to have this debate, because this is a debate
about what's going on in watching the DC and why
every American should be concerned, and why, of course every
American should be concerned about what the President's doing, but
in many cases even more concerned about the fact that
Congress and that Republicans in Congress want to do nothing
about it, and in fact, they want to enable it

(36:42):
and do anything the president says the gentleman couldn't even
answer the question about if the bill was drafted with
the White House. We know it was drafted with the
White House. And so we say free DC and we'll
continue to fight for the people of Washington, d C.
Who deserve for their home to be a state, who

(37:04):
deserve for their local officials that they voted for their
city council, their members to make decisions about how to
make sure that this is a safer place. And I
got to say, when we talk about crime, when we
talk about violence, gun violence has been going down in
this country the last three years. We still have a
lot of work to do that you guys talk about
it and nothing happens. We put forward solutions in past

(37:29):
bills like the Safer Communities Act, and violence goes down
in this country. That's the difference between us. I yield
back folks.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
My pound, doctor Zachary Kirk, educator and content creator.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Out of Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Rebecca Caruthers, she is president and CEO Fair Election Center
out of Washington, d C. Tyler McMillan's social justice leader
and movement strategists out of DC as well.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Rebecca, I'm going to start with you.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That debate that you saw right there, to me, really
speaks to a very basic, fundamental issue.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I love how Kung.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Woman Stansbury just walked through by saying to Congressman Clay
Higgins of Louisiana, have you ever been to a DC
Council meeting? Have you ever actually talked to the fust No?
He said, I heard from people in DC restaurants. So
here's a member of Congress from Louisiana who literally knows

(38:21):
nothing about Washington, d C. Who operates in this sort
of safe zone of areas around the capitol or whatever,
and he's opining about the nation's capital.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
He's not taught.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
He cannot point to you on a map the high
crime areas in Washington, DC, and then when challenged about
the very high crime rates in.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
His own state, then he wants to get upset.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
The congressman from Louisiana said that he also listened to
people out walk and their dogs, and what I have
to say that that is, I guess lap dogs do
technically get walked too. He couldn't even answer the basic
question of whether or not there was coordination with the
White House. We absolutely know that any White House with
its majority, with this party and the majority in Congress,

(39:18):
coordinates on domestic policy. That is indeed fact, that's something
that happens in DC, regardless of the political party. So
it was really interesting watching them, watching the Republican lawmakers,
and that hearing trying to run away from the fact
that this has Trump's fingerprints all over it, and in fact,
the legislation that the particular bill could have been drafted

(39:42):
by the Trump White House like to say that that
it is what it is. But the bottom line is
DC has fought for statehood for decades. And you know
criticism that I launched, I think last month on your
show Roland is that there are times when the Democratic
Party has had a trifecta. They've held the White House,

(40:04):
held the Senate, and held the House. So at some
point this should be a non person issue. But I
would also expect the Democratic Party to want to support
DC statehood so DC is not stuck in the position
in which it is now, whereas fighting this Maga led
Congress on whether or not home rule will continue.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
See the thing for me here as I listen, I
listened to all of this stuff back and forth, and
what makes those sense to me, Zachary is okay, if
you want to actually.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Have a real grown up, thorough.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Discussion about how do you reduce crime, then you have
to have a real grown up, thorough, sobering question about
the things that contribute to crime. I have literally had conversations.
I remember I was in Wichita, Kansas giving a speech.
It was MK program, Mkday program, and I was sitting

(41:09):
with the police chief and that he was at our table,
and he had worked in Philadelphia, and I turned to
him and I said to him, I said, Chief, tell
me if I'm wrong or not, that you have lower
crime in areas in Wichita or anywhere in the country
with the credit score.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Johah O'Brien talks about this all the time, But the
credit score is seven hundred to higher.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
He said, it's a fact there's lower crime in more
economically prosperous areas. That tells you right there, if you
want to confront crime, you have to deal with the
conditions of crime. And this is why this whole discussion
is stupid and idiotic, because it has nothing to do
with reducing crime. It has to do with a show

(41:56):
of force. It has to do with trying to create
a television show. It has to do with I get
to use the military any way I decide.

Speaker 28 (42:08):
And it has to do with I get to distract
the American people and the media that is beholden to
me from the fact that the Epstein files has not
been or have not been released.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Now that's a big piece of it.

Speaker 28 (42:19):
Two Roland lap dogs don't have real conversations with their masters.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Now, the masters may.

Speaker 28 (42:27):
Sit here and pretend like the lap dogs are having
conversations with them. They may put words in their mouths
and have fictitious, imaginary scenarios, but real conversations aren't happening.
When this man was called a lap dog, I immediately
thought of a blue tick coonhound, which is a dog
commonly found in the representative's home state of Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Except in this case, this blue tick.

Speaker 28 (42:53):
Coonhound is not going to be hunting for coons, well,
maybe to collect them for women in any pleasure and
keeping them entertained. All of that to say, Roland, you're
absolutely right. They're not wanting to fix that problem of crime.
They're not wanting to address the problems of crime. They're
only wanting to distract and to cause chaos among the
American people, say they can increase their authoritarian power and

(43:17):
help bring about the downfall of democracy. Louisiana is a
state that has two cities, not just one, because some
of you may be thinking of New Orleans as having
a higher crime rate than DC or Los Angeles, but
it also has Alexandria, two cities in one state.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
This man states that has higher.

Speaker 28 (43:34):
Crime rates than both DC per capita as well as
Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
This man needs to sit down, get back.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
In the lab and Tyler, I mean this is if
that's political theater, having the guard go to this political theater.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's literally not about how do we address the issue.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yes, there are short term things that could be done
in terms of dealing with Look when I was in
the Fort Worth that they had with these surges in
terms of when they had spikes and crime, how they
would then come on with a surge. But the police
chief there when I was there, would say, this is
not sustainable. You still have to confront the underlying condition.

(44:14):
And here you have Republican city there who controlled the
budget of DC, the same people who pulled a billion
out of the budget. So you can't complain about a
condition or you can't complain about something when you were
contributed to the problem.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Yeah, absolutely, and I will continue to echo the words.
That is ironic.

Speaker 33 (44:35):
How troubling it is that members of Congress are so
focused on policing people of DC and stripping them of
their autonomy while their districts are in chaos, and instead
of addressing the poverty, violence, and economic disinvestment, plaguing their communities.
They are actually elected to represent their so busy focused

(44:56):
on the people of DC. And I will you know,
shout out includos to represented Frost because I think you know,
his leadership shows a generational shift in what we need.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
Uh.

Speaker 33 (45:05):
And this because this crime build Uh, it just mirrors
the decades of failed tough on crime that we have
seen on black communities.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Uh and the underfunding of communities.

Speaker 11 (45:17):
Uh.

Speaker 33 (45:17):
And as you said, instead of doubling down on this,
this system of mass incarceration that could continue to put
black bodies uh in this you know, this system, we
should be focused on, you know, passing the Breathe Act
that invests in community safety through health care and education
and restorat of justice because the fire, I encourage them
to find that better angel inside of them and vote

(45:40):
on that budget where where it really matters to protect people.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And so uh again, when you when you look at
that back and forth and when you see the response
and you see how they just going back and forth, and.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I can imagine children sitting there going, really, this.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Is I'll grown people at com So look, we're gonna
we're gonna continue to see this stuff go over and
over and over again, and it's not gonna stop, and
it's just again. It's what is political theater, and that,
to me is what is most shameful of all of this.
All right, folks, gotta go to great we come back.
We'll hear from Housekimcrrect lead to Hockey and Jeffries talking

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Speaker 28 (48:23):
This is Wendell Haskins aka Win Hogan at the original
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Speaker 3 (48:27):
And you know I watched Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Wells, welcome back to Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on
the Black Star Network. How democrant Leader, Howking Jeffrey says,
if Congress wants to do his job, if Donald Trump
wants to do his job to really help the Americans,
how about you put the work to lower prices.

Speaker 31 (48:55):
Democrats have made clear to the American people of the
last several weeks that this country is far too expensive.
The cost of living is way too high, and Donald Trump,
as well as House Republicans, have failed to do anything

(49:15):
about it. Donald Trump and House Republicans promised to lower
the high cost of living on day one, costs having
gone down in the United States of America, it's gone up.
America is too expensive, Inflation is on the rise, and
Donald Trump and Republicans have failed to keep their core

(49:36):
promise to make life more affordable. Housing costs are too high,
healthcare costs are too high, childcare costs are too high.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Utility costs are too high.

Speaker 31 (49:49):
Electricity bills are skyrocketing as we speak because of the
failed policies of Donald Trump and the One Big Ugly Bill,
and the American people are struggling to live paycheck to paycheck,
can't thrive, and in so many instances can barely survive.

(50:13):
America is too expensive. Republicans have broken our healthcare system
and unleashed the unfortunate and painful reality that millions of
Americans are about to experience dramatic increases in their healthcare premiums, copays,

(50:35):
and deductibles. Millions of families will incur thousands of dollars
in additional.

Speaker 9 (50:44):
Health care costs a year.

Speaker 31 (50:48):
When they are barely making it right now, Democrats are
prepared to support partisan spending agreement that meets the needs
of the American people in terms of their health, public safety,

(51:10):
and economic well being. But we will not support a
partisan Republican spending bill that continues to rip away healthcare
from the American people.

Speaker 18 (51:24):
Questions do you consider a.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Queen cr to be inadequate in that way?

Speaker 31 (51:29):
Here in March, House Democrats strongly opposed the partisan Republican
spending bill that hurt everyday Americans in a variety of ways,
including making their health care more expensive. A continuing resolution

(51:52):
that continues the failed policies of the Republican Party that
we voted against is not the type of policy that
actually meets the needs of the American people. Democrats broadly
agree on two things. One, Republicans have launched an extraordinary

(52:15):
and unprecedented attack on the healthcare of the American people.
Extraordinary and unprecedented attack ending Medicaid as we know it,
setting in motion the closure of hospitals, nursing homes, and
community based clinics all across the country, including disproportionately in

(52:41):
rural America. More than twenty million Americans are likely to
confront skyrocketing healthcare premiums, copays, and deductibles because of the
Republican refusal to extend the tax susties for the Affordable

(53:01):
Care Act. As a result of the Republican one Big
Ugly Bill, Medicare is facing a five hundred and thirty
six billion dollar cut at the end of this year.
And on top of all of that, Republicans are now
trying to jam down the throats of the American people

(53:24):
an appropriations bill that was just voted out of the
Labor h Subcommittee and then the Appropriations Committee that represents
an all out attack on public health, on medical research,
on vaccines, and on the centers for disease control, an

(53:49):
all out attack on healthcare is what we are in
the midst of right now. Every single Democrat that and
believes it is important at this moment because of the
extraordinary attack on healthcare and the fact that it is
a cost of living issue, housing in healthcare being the

(54:13):
two most expensive parts of day to day life for
everyday Americans, that we cannot, under any circumstances support a
partisan Republican bill that continues to rip healthcare away from
the American people. I believe that's a consensus position that

(54:35):
brings together progressives, new Dems, blue Dogs, battle ground members,
and all points in between.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
That particular point there, Zachary, I want to start with you.
The data is abundantly clear what we are seeing. We
are seeing a significant weakening of the job market because
of what Doge did early this year, the massive layoffs
that are taking place. When people get laid off, they're

(55:05):
not buying food, They're not it's housing. Now you're seeing
homes on the market. We're seeing farmers, people who voted
for Donald Trump in red states talking about we needed,
we need to bail out. I mean, so this thing
is buttastasizing. And what's crazy is that Republicans are going

(55:26):
along with it. And was also interesting to me when
you look at all this economic data. I remember, my God,
for four years, it was recession, recession is coming, It's coming,
is coming, and it never actually came. And we are
facing a more perilous economy today than we did at

(55:48):
any time than four years of Biden Harris.

Speaker 28 (55:54):
It didn't come because of the four years of Buying Harris,
because of the strategic leadership of the Biden Harris administration.
The fact that President Biden surrounded himself with the best
economic minds that this country has to offer. This nation
was able to pull itself out of the COVID pit
that Donald Trump threw us in and begin an economic

(56:16):
recovery that resulted in the largest bipartisan legislation ever that
created jobs, and that is still creating jobs right now
in twenty twenty five. That is actually bolstering parts of
Donald Trump's economy, no matter how determined he and his
administration may be to tank us and take us to
the brink of economic and financial ruin, We're.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Not just talking about either role.

Speaker 28 (56:39):
And when you look at what this administration has done
to our economy and what this administration is doing to
the American people, the three hundred thousand black women who
have lost their jobs, the three hundred thousand black families
that are being impacted by the loss.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And these people, these women, these leaders, and their employment.

Speaker 28 (56:57):
We are also looking, as you just said, to the
Arkansas farmers who are begging for welfare and bailouts.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
The Arkansas farmers.

Speaker 28 (57:05):
Who are all over the internet begging to be released
from the consequences of their actions because they vote overwhelmingly
for Donald Trump, and they vote overwhelmingly for what we
are currently seeing in this economy. They did this to
themselves and now they are begging for welfare and help.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
And what is wild to me is I have not
seen their champion. I have not seen their man come
out Donald J.

Speaker 28 (57:30):
Trump and in any way talk about the fact that
he is going to do anything to help them. And
when you listen to the leader Jeffries, and you listen
to how he is framing the message, I think it's
one hundred percent spot on.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
There are people out there who are.

Speaker 28 (57:45):
Criticizing this man, who are criticizing the number one highest
ranking elected black man in this country, Democrat in this
country for not doing enough and for not fighting back
hard enough. He is standing on messages and he's ensuring
that every single Democrat in the UN access to House
representatives are also staying on message and boulding people and

(58:05):
will be signed the previous clip, Maxwell Frost to do
the work of speaking out and using their platforms to
bring awareness of these issues. Kudos to do the Jeffreys
in that clip, you know, because you rot for sharing it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
You know, Tyler, there is fear. I don't think people. People,
people really get it. And this is the problem that
I have when people play politics. Okay, there's real economic fear.

(58:39):
We're talking about folks because of tars who are talking
about losing their dream business, uh going up in planes.
They invested all of their money into the business and
now they're like, what am I supposed to do now?
So when people play political games, they don't understand they
are literally playing.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
With the livelihoods of people. They're playing with.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
The lively people are not able to now send their
kids to college. Now that's impacting them. This thing is
going And so that's why when you are a political person,
whether you are in the oval office, you're in the House,
the Senate, whether you are a governor, state rep state senator,
mayor city council, school district accounting commissioner, you take into

(59:28):
account the carnage that you are going to leave in
your wake when you make decisions. So therefore, you don't
make hasty decisions. You don't make decisions just on a whim.
And unfortunately that's what we've seen for the past eight months.

Speaker 33 (59:51):
Yeah, absolutely, economic fears are real, like rising costs and
staging wages in these safety net programs. And create anxieties
for families, and these anxieties then impact every decision that
a family makes, as you pointed out, and I think,
you know, Leader Jeffries calling out these high stakes is
important because because when when, when shutdowns happen, black workers

(01:00:16):
are the hardest hit. And I would even even just
say him being a voice, a strong voice for working
families also pairs like the defense with the clear with
with the clear commitments that if these things happen, we
are putting families up against the wall, and also even
highlighting the systemic inequalities in wages and healthcare and housing

(01:00:40):
and education and how this impacts you know, you know, black,
black and working class families. And so I think that's
very important because when folks are have that anxiety, they
definitely have their backs against the wall to make really
tough decisions and tough decisions about food on the table,
about about prescription drugs.

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
That you see here up on the wall, you know,
lowering prescription drugs.

Speaker 33 (01:01:02):
All these different these high stake decisions are being put
on the table, Mbecca, Rebecca.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
Yeah, absolutely, So not only is it important with what
speaker not speaker yet, with what how King Jeffries was
talking about, especially as we understand that there could be
a pending government shutdown that's on this way, and the
impact with that, with not having a actual budget to

(01:01:39):
continue to fund even what has been gutted from this administration,
of what social services and whatever whatever other safety nets
that are still available. And like the other panelists talked about,
you know, it's not just the farmers in Arkansas, but
even in my homestate of Nebraska, there's a lot of
farmers out there who are hurt. They're asking for additional support.

(01:02:04):
But at the same time, this administration told us last
year that these are the things that they were going
to do, and it almost appears that they are hell
bent and driving our economy into a recession. But it's
we're almost like a train without breaks and then there's
no safety net at the other end, and so it
looks like ultimately there will be a fiery crash when

(01:02:25):
it comes to the economy, i e. A recession or
even worse. And it's very unfortunate because these things could
have been prevented. But one thing I will say about
this administration and even this Congress to an extent, is
that they forecast it that this is what they want
to do. They want to tie all of us into
their mega death goal.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
And again, the people who are being hurt, a lot
of them votover Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
They wear their mega hats and they now are seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
The repercussions of what happens when you have economic upheaval
in this country.

Speaker 23 (01:03:05):
That to me is what is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
So difficult to look at. And again, so many people
are being impacted, folks. Let's talk about Federal Reserve Board
Governor Lisa Cook.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
She can keep her job for the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
A federal judge's rule that Cook may remain in her
position while her lawsuit challenging Donald Trump's attempt to fire
her is resolved. US District Judge Gahkuk Cobb, appointed by
former President Joe Biden, stated in her ruling that Trump's
stated cause refers only to allegations regarding Cook's conduct before
she begins serving on the Federal Reserve Board. Such allegations

(01:03:42):
are not a legally permissible cause. Unquote Trump claiming he
fired Cook due to allegations that she had made false
representations on mortgage agreements several years ago that resulted in
more favorable loan terms.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Judge Cobb also determined.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
That Cook's right to do process had been violated and
that she would suffer irreparable harm if the injunction were
not granted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Now, this is of course a constant attack.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Donald Trump has been going after a number of appointees,
violating frankly customs but also the law. This right here
is really idiotic because that's all this is. Rebecca isn't allegation,
It hasn't been proven. And so this idea that, as
I just said, you're going to bounce someone from the

(01:04:29):
Federal Reserve for failing to do their job when nothing's
been proven, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
It absolutely is crazy. But this also goes back to
removing all of the fail safes and the breaks from
making sure that our economy, our dollar, how what our
interest rates look like, it all plays together. What's really
disturbing is as we're seeing all these masterinations happen, we
know that the current chairman of the Fed is likely

(01:05:00):
to be reappointed next year when his term is up.
But at the same time, we're seeing the Trump family
raise billions of dollars, add billions of dollars to their
wealth through crypto and other forms. So it's it goes
back into what we were talking about earlier is that
we're seeing that the American economy is tank but we're

(01:05:22):
also seeing that there are certain people who are benefiting.
And the number one folks who are benefiting right now
is Trump and his particular cronies.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Kyler.

Speaker 33 (01:05:34):
Yeah, I'll also say she even brings a lens of
economic policy that I think the system needs because it
often ignores the economic impact against black workers and black families.
And I think blocking her uh firing is a victory,
you know, for you know, economic did the fight for
economic freedom. But I also say, like the fight continues,

(01:05:56):
and we must continue to fight for folks like Uh,
like you know, Governor Cook and all the black women
in power who often often go erase or try to
get erased. And I think, you know, as I said,
it's a win for us, but it's not the uh.
You have to continue to fight for it, zach Ary.

Speaker 28 (01:06:18):
It's a win for us, and it's a win for
the American economy. Previous question talked about how the Biden
Harris administration was able to bring this country back from
the brink of economic disaster that Donald Trump helped plunge
us into during his twenty sixteen to twenty twenty administration.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
It's people like Lisa Cook and the FED Board who
were able to keep.

Speaker 28 (01:06:38):
This country on track and continuously grow jobs month after
month after month, creating an unprecedented streak under Bias leadership.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
They help make that happen. They are the only thing that.

Speaker 28 (01:06:50):
Is keeping us steady and keeping us from a current
economic recession slash falling into a depression. It's good that
Lisa Cook is going to be able to maintain her
position for the moment, but I think it's really important
and we say that this is for the moment, our
Supreme Court cannot be counted on to uphold the rule
of law or father Constitution, which they are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Morally and ethically and assigned to do.

Speaker 28 (01:07:16):
And I'm worried about it, and I'm concerned, but I
do and I'm thankful for the wins that we have
in the moment because they make a big difference. But
we need the American people out there to understand how
this works and to be prepared to fight and resist
in any available the time comes as we approach those
twenty twenty six midterms, because elections have consequences and we're
living with those consequences every single day. This woman was

(01:07:38):
removed by Donald Trump, supposedly because of some mortgage issue.
But this man turned right around and he appointed or
he recommended this man, Stephen Mirron for the job, who
has the exec who doesn't have the same allegations, but
actually has been found guilty of wrongdoing with those allegations.
That's the level of fraud and corruption that we, the
American people, voted for, and those are the consequences that

(01:07:58):
we the American people are having to suffer through as
we approach twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
People don't forget and let us have consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, going to break we come back.
Vice President Kamala Harris has a new book I'll call
one hundred and seven Days. Eggserpt has been dropped in allready.
It is God people talking. We'll talk to her former
communications lead Ashley at the end about this. And trust me, y'all,
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H Vice President Kama Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Is soon to release her new book, One hundred and
seven Days. It details it details, of course, uh the
process after Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race
and she and she actually took over as the nominee,
and the first excerpt from the book, the first first

(01:20:02):
exit of the book was dropped in the Atlantic and
it already has folks talking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
In this exert, she talks about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
She labels recklessness in terms of Democrats and not of course,
pressing Biden harder to not run.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
She also named checks Biden and his wife Jill.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
She talks about how the White House did not protect her,
how they allowed attacks to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Take place, and she literally, you know, says that basically
the Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
White House threw her under the bus numerous times even
and then she talked about a situation where an event
where I covered when she gave a speech in Selma
and she talked about what was happening in Israel and
Gaza and it was received very well in the White
House hated that, and I remember that because we covered

(01:20:54):
it then.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
So it's so much in her first exert that we
talked about on this show. Oh so this is confirmation.
As we say hashtag we tried to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Actually at Tien was the communications director for Vice President
Kamala Harris and she joins us right now, Ashy, glad
to have you here. So first about is exert, I
mean coming out the bi.

Speaker 19 (01:21:17):
Coming out hots exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I don't want to go through it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
We're having some tech issues, so I can't actually show it.
The Atlantic has the whole deal. But one of the
things that she she she opens up talking about Divine
nine speaking to them, the kind of groups that she
was trying to bring in, of the role that she
played being an African American woman, all those sort of
different things, the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Energy she brought to the table.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
But she then gets into this hole back and forth
and how she was new, staff was new, all these
different things, and how she was being constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Attacked and the White House was not protecting her.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
And the reality is, and I remember in real time time,
and I was one of you there, and I was
one of the folks who was saying externally the attacks
on her were coming from inside the White House.

Speaker 19 (01:22:08):
Oh you said that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Oh hell yes, it was very obvious. And here is
her saying, it's exactly what was going on.

Speaker 19 (01:22:16):
Sure, Uh no, I was there and that is actually
what was happening.

Speaker 11 (01:22:21):
I mean it was.

Speaker 36 (01:22:23):
It was an incredibly challenging time because we were in
the middle of COVID, Fox News, as she says in
the excerpt, came out of the gate, you know, trying
to undermine her, uh lower confidence in her, attack her
on everything from her lafe to her her portfolio.

Speaker 19 (01:22:43):
I should say, she also says in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
This exert in the book that listen, she had a
pool coverage. BP's never had that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
They just sort of had, like some some light stuff
because of who she was and how people were.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
She had media covering her all the time, so every
comment everything, they were able to run with it. Unlike
when pants held, we never knew what the hell he
was talking about.

Speaker 36 (01:23:08):
Yeah, no, I agree, But I think the opportunity was
there for her to tell her own story in an
unprecedented way no other vice president had ever had. So
Joe Biden actually deserves credit for building a press pool
for her. I think that press pool was as many
as a dozen reporters, and that did create an opportunity
for us to really start to tell her story. But

(01:23:30):
that was just an incredibly challenging time. We were in
the middle of COVID. There wasn't much happening, so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Uh, it was COVID, yes, but also it was fifty
to fifty. She couldn't leave DC a.

Speaker 19 (01:23:41):
Lot no, so even when so that's when the narrative
started to bake. Where's Kamala hair?

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
I was kind of like, y'all, there were so many
times she broke the record of the most ties in
history because she had to stay in DC a lot.
And you're right, for all of twenty and twenty one.
For a lot of twenty twenty two, both she and
Biden were grounded.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 36 (01:24:04):
Can I just say this though, to your point about
the attacks coming from within, that's absolutely true, there's a
lot of truth to both sides that there were attacks
from coming that were coming from within. But here's the
thing I would like to just sort of level set
is that, you know, the job of the job of
the West Wing is to promote the president. Yes, the
job is not to promote the vice president. There were

(01:24:26):
times in which we asked for their health. There were
times in which they gave it. There were times in
which they did not. We got to a sort of
when we hit a fever pitch. We're incredibly frustrated with
the West Wing because we felt like they could have
done more to inoculate her from criticism. But I will
say the one thing that people hardly ever talk about,
and I hope she gets into this in her book,

(01:24:47):
is that really fortified her in a lot of ways.
It really positioned us to identify what her long term
needs were to build that outside infrastructure because you couldn't
depend on it from within the West Wing or from
within the the White House, which became helpful to her
as she started to move down the process and when
she launched her own campaign, that infrastructure was there. That's

(01:25:07):
why I was able to kick in that quickly. You
remember when there were questions about whether or not she
should be next, you had the CBC coming, a whole
lot of outside advocates organizations. We started to build that
foundation for her because we realized we were going it alone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
But here's so and I and again this is just
the first excerpt.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
But if we actually, if we just take this thing back,
the reason her being vice president was so completely different,
and also the reason why you had so much press
attention on her was because he was old and so
one of the right. And so it was from day
one it was a lot of one term She's gonna

(01:25:50):
run all of that, and that waved some tension.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
First of all, that created.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
I'm gonna say no, that created a lot of tension.
And let me also be clear, a lot of that
tension it was West wing, but a lot was East wing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
And it's some stuff that I know but hopeless in
a book.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
So so here's so all of a sudden, here you
have this young, vibrant African American woman, juxta pos Joe Biden,
old white guy in terms of movement. To your point,
Biden did things with her that Obama never did with him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
There was so many times when.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
She spoke before him as opposed to just standing.

Speaker 36 (01:26:34):
There because we used to laugh the Biden people out
out of the room. We used to laugh him out
of the room when they wanted to do things. I mean,
you know, the job is not for us to make
room for you. What Biden did effectively, well, was he
made room for himself. You remember when he got ahead
of the president on gay marriage, for example, he made
his own space.

Speaker 19 (01:26:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
But I also remember during that time when he was
trying to give up, he was giving Obama advice when
it came to the follid of Care Act and the
Nuns and Catholics, they weren't listing and Biden was like,
well that was a off. That was a private conversation
he had with some Sunday morning show host he talk about.
He was like, they wouldn't pay attention. I tried to
tell him, but in this case, so he was providing that.
But the issue here, and I think people need to

(01:27:13):
understand there's a difference between what Biden wanted to happen
and what the people around Biden wanted to happen and
what she touches on him in here because when she
talks about when she talks about the attacks. She says,
when Fox News attacked me on everything from my lab
to my tone of voice, to who I dated my twenties,
claimed I was a DEI hire. The White House rarely

(01:27:35):
pushed back with my actual resume. Two term elected dea
top copy the second largest Department of Justice in the
United States Center representing one of the eight Americans. Lorraine Bowles,
my chief of staff constantly had to advocate for my
role at events. Quote, She's not going to stand there
like a pilot plant. Give her two minutes of remarks,
have her introduced the president. They had a huge comms team,
they had Karine Jean Pierre briefing in the press room

(01:27:56):
every day, but getting anything positive said about my work
or any defense against untrue attacks was almost impossible. And
the thing that she talks about when she went to
France with Macron and how all these different happened. But
this is one of the things that she references that
this is where it came back to Biden.

Speaker 24 (01:28:15):
So because they were allowing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Certain things to happen, and we know a lot of
the I remember the stories she addresses losing staff and
she's hard to work with that all of that plays
a role in her poll numbers coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
The problem is never thought they were gonna need her
in twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So the problem is you created, You created this thing
of suppressing her being. When twenty four rolls around, you
needed her. So the work that you My point is
the things that hurt her one twenty three because what
I also know because I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Was told this from multiple sources.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Multiple people went to Joe Biden and says take her
off the ticket, and Biden told them hell no, right.
One person who said I was in the room when
the conversation was had, and so there were people who
were saying take off, takeoff, take Oh, she's going to
replace the team around him, team around him, outside people
as well, Democratic donors, folks on Capitol Hill. So the

(01:29:19):
problem is you put you had, you allowed a tax
on the VP and side it out. And the problem
is that contributed to those poll numbers being so low
and then when sheelle of a sudden, has to run
that now is a hindrance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
So you played a role in that stuff actually happening.

Speaker 36 (01:29:37):
Well, I don't disagree with that, but I think the
most important point is they had conflicting interest. It's not
Joe Biden thought he was going to run for a
second term, so his interest was not to figure out
how to promote her. And when you're in the middle
of a global pandemic, the interest is to solve what's
in front of me. Right, he had his own set
of challenges. So I think that's what this mostly boils

(01:29:57):
down to, is this conflicting interest between the two camps.
But I mean, I want to challenge you on a
couple of things. I mean, just to be fair to
Joe Biden, and I appreciate that you're being fair to him.
His interest was to be helpful to her in every
exp I never heard of no. And as I told you,
I've worked in the Obama White House, and we told

(01:30:17):
Joe Biden know all the time. In fact, we kind
of ignored them. It's like they didn't even exist, right.
It was a team of one. It was Barack Obama.
But I never heard Biden's Biden himself or Biden's close
people ever tell her no, you couldn't do No, you
can't do that, No, you can't do that.

Speaker 19 (01:30:33):
I never heard that. Now that could have happened after
I left, Right, so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Writes here, worst I often learned that the president's staff
was adding fuel to negative narratives that sprang up around me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
One narrative and by the way I said that to
them got to the team.

Speaker 36 (01:30:47):
My team, I mean when I was on the VPC,
and I said, this is coming from internally.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
She writes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
One narrative that took a stubborn hold was that I
had a chaotic office in unusually high staff turnover during
my first year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
She said.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
The plain fact is many people come to work with
the new administration the White House haven't done it before.
It's a job unlike any other, and not every person,
no matter how talenty in their form position, can step
up into such a high stress, around the clock roll.
Others finally, just don't want a job that doesn't pay
particularly well, take a massive toll on family, and rules
out anything resembling in normal life. I'm not going to
keep people on who can't thrive in their jobs. It's

(01:31:19):
not fair of them, it's not good for the country. Now,
the whole point I'm bringing up is that theme was constant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It was constant.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
It wouldn't keep staffed, well, not just keep staff, but
it was like it was political. It was axios and
the new York Times, it was so and you were
sitting here going, damn, how many times this story gonna
get written?

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yeah, as opposed to what actually is happening.

Speaker 36 (01:31:41):
Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, I'm not going to
refute what the Vice President said, you know, but I
will say this, you know, for what it's worth, I
think the Vice President is the blueprint. I think she's
an exceptional leader that has, like a lot of women leaders,
that doesn't get her full credit, and especially Black way leaders,
doesn't get her full credit when you think about what

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she was able to achieve, not just breaking the glass ceiling,
but her efforts to repair our relationships all over the world,
the fact that she's secured five billion dollars for the border,
or to just the root causes of migration.

Speaker 19 (01:32:18):
I would say that the third is her work.

Speaker 36 (01:32:20):
On maternal health, you know, leading the fight on reproductive rights,
all of that stuff. So my advice as a strategist
would have been to write a different book, honestly, And
the reason why I say this is because Kamala Harris's well, first.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Of all, this is just one exerpt from the book,
so we don't know the full breath was in the book.

Speaker 36 (01:32:39):
Absolutely, But the book is focused on one hundred and
seven days. That's how it's that's how it's framed up.
So my point would have been to focus.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
On four years in that one hundred and seven days.

Speaker 19 (01:32:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 36 (01:32:49):
And the reason why I say that can I if
you don't mind the reason why I say that because
I think that's the book that my daughter and her
generation need to hear. They need to hear how she
broke a glass ceiling, and they need to hear what
she was able to achieve. The second second point I
would add is because her achilles heel has always been
that people don't know her, don't know what she stands for,
and doesn't know what she's has done. So my point

(01:33:12):
would have been, my advice would have been to lead
with that. Now, all of this stuff, you can talk
about your challenges as a black woman and as the
first deal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
We don't know it could be.

Speaker 36 (01:33:22):
But I'm just saying out the gay because the concern
is that this opens up a wound, you know, within
the party, and if it serves as a major distraction,
in addition, serves as a fodder for Trump and the GB.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
So I remember this vividly, She writes in Selma, Alabama,
at the commemoration of Bloody Sunday, when civil rights marches
were attacked and beaten once they crossed the Inmen Penus Bridge.
I gave a strong speech on the humanitarian crisis in
God's and at this point you had already left. Yes,
desperate people had been shot when they swarmed the food truck,
and I spoke of families reduced to eating leaves or
animal feed, women prematurely giving birth but literal or no

(01:33:55):
medical care, and children dying from man nutrition and dehydration.
I reiterated my strong for Israel's security and called on
Hamas to release the hostages and accept the ceasefire agreement.
Then on the table, I also called on Israel for
greater access to AID. It was a speech that had
been vetted and approved by the White House and the
National Security Council. It went viral, and the West wing

(01:34:17):
was displeased. I was castigated for apparently delivering it too well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Their thinking was zero sum. If she's shining, he's dimmed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
None of them grasped that if I did well, he
did well, that given the concern about his age, my
visible success as his vice president was vital. It would
serve as a testament to his judgment in choosing me,
and a reassurance that if something happened, the country was
in good hands. My success was important for him. His
team didn't get it. That's how the excerpt ends.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
The reason I remember that because I flew on air
force to with her Tosel, and I remember the speech
in many people, and I remember the reaction the people
who were there, and then the reaction external, And then
I remember the next seven days and the White House.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Was pissed and we were like how why were they like?
It was like, what are you doing? How are you mad?
That that was received well? When that's why you sent
her out to say it?

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
It was the most unbelieve right, It was like and
in fact, and in fact the speech had been changed
and they literally had approved every word in it. So
I remember covering that in real time and what she's saying,
report and hearing that, and it was like, how are
you mad? And and that was I was talking to.
What I was told was she literally was like, hey,

(01:35:43):
there was something else going on. Hey, I can't wait
into that right now, because I got my ass kicked
on the Selma speech. It was the dumbest thing in
the world. I was just sitting there, going, that's why
you have a vice president?

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 36 (01:35:58):
I mean there were many days, many nights where I
went over to the West Wing and argue that it
was in his interests to help elevate her, that it
was in his interest to protect her and innoculate her,
that it was in the party and the nation's interest
to position this woman and you know, historic figure, to
position this woman successfully for whatever was to come. Because

(01:36:23):
the reality is when we started in the White House
the first year, we walked in, and the understanding between
her and the staff is that you could be the
president at any moment. Literally, you have to be prepared
to be every vice president, but definitely her because of
his age.

Speaker 19 (01:36:42):
So you're absolutely right, and she's absolutely right.

Speaker 36 (01:36:44):
We were insanely perplexed by the fact that they didn't
seem to absorb that concept. And the only thing I
can attribute it to is that they had these conflicting
interests that why would I need to promote you if
I'm going to be next in line, I'm going to
run for two terms. But can I just say this,
I mean, I love Joe Biden, but if I want

(01:37:06):
to extend this argument. I would extend it all the
way through the election. I remember at certain points in
an election, I'm like, where's Joe Biden? Why isn't he
in North Carolina with a mop They had just had
a storm, a horrible storm, right mopping up streets, Like
why isn't he doing more to turn out the Biden voter?
Because there is a specific Biden voter, And there were

(01:37:27):
points at which days and weeks he was not even
on the campaign trip. I think, so it raises all
these questions to her point.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Twenty four for me was just that whole that whole
thing I hope here was just so insane. Yes, and
remember we had not seen an incumbent president step aside
since LBJ nineteen sixty eight, and his numbers were so
low people were still pissed off. It was so it

(01:37:55):
was sort of like, do we send them out? Do
we not send them out?

Speaker 7 (01:37:58):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
And then again, of course her campaign manager was his
campaign manager.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Dillon was also.

Speaker 24 (01:38:08):
Was also in saying it.

Speaker 19 (01:38:10):
So we're saying the West Wing is in support here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
I have no problem saying it out here. Oh I
got no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I said it before General Melee Dealer and Anita Done
were part of the problem in hurting Vice President Kama Harris.

Speaker 19 (01:38:23):
Why keep them on?

Speaker 18 (01:38:23):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Huh? Why?

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Well again because again this is where this is where
the when you talk about just how the craziness of it,
there's a different you and you know this working inside
of politics, whether it's for the Vice president speaking Nanny Pelosi,
there's a difference between the chief in their relationships with

(01:38:47):
let's say a VP or another senator or another member.
But it's different when staff has their own agendas and
there are different people on STA have who operates differently.

Speaker 19 (01:39:03):
The grudges not to suggest because and she brings it up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
She wrote about of course when she when she criticized
when she criticized President Biden during Vice President Biden during
the campaign when it came to bussing, and I know
from on reporting there were people on Joe Biden's staff
who never got over it.

Speaker 19 (01:39:25):
Absolutely, never got over absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
And again I still go back to you know, all
that bs going on because nobody thought they were gonna need.

Speaker 19 (01:39:35):
Her, Yeah, twenty four, But my point is you didn't
have to wait to twenty four. You needed her every day.

Speaker 36 (01:39:41):
To her point, you know what I mean, and I
think that's the thing they didn't they didn't accept, which
was doubly insulting for me. It wasn't just that you
weren't positioning her for a presidential one. My point is
you're not even leveraging her today to your advantage efficiently, effectively,
in maximizing her presence to her point. What we tried
to build the vice president up was to to drive
this point that she actually is the coalition builder. She

(01:40:03):
can build that coalition and cultivate and foster that coalition
he was going to need or she was going to
need to win long term. I mean, Politico wrote about it,
how she brought in all of these groups and was
meeting with them in her ceremonial office.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Were designed meetings.

Speaker 36 (01:40:18):
We designed all of that intentionally to not only build
her infrastructure and develop her relationship with all these groups
or strengthen her relationship with all these groups, but really
to position him or her to win come whatever, you know,
come twenty twenty four.

Speaker 19 (01:40:32):
So that was my real thing. It's like, wait, we're doing.

Speaker 36 (01:40:34):
Good things right now that could benefit you, and that
you need to be elevating.

Speaker 19 (01:40:38):
But there was a reluctancy and a hesitancy.

Speaker 36 (01:40:40):
I think it's because of the grudges, the relationship dynamics
and the conflicting interest.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
And the point I'm making in pale get Rid of
a Boy, the company, y'all, and the thing that just
again it jumps out at me. So because they were thinking, oh,
he's running again, he's running again. So you essentially shit
it on your VP, thinking yeah, we ain't gonna need her.

Speaker 24 (01:41:02):
You had people no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
But I know from my report.

Speaker 19 (01:41:06):
I mean, I mean, I don't disagree, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
But what I say when I say ship it on,
what I mean is because you did not think, you
did not think you really needed her, you let certain
things happen. Those things that happened caused her popularity. And
I'm not removing her responsibility for.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Everybody has.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
What I'm saying is those things also played a part
in if you were here going down here, and then
the problem is when you needed her, when you you
never thought you needed her, when you needed her she
was starting here, and now the role that you played
in her being here and now she has to now

(01:41:55):
fight to come up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
And so that that to me, So the lesson, the
lesson for leaders not just political leaders. The lesson for
leaders is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
None of us know what tomorrow, the next hour, of
the next minute, holes. And so while you may think
you are number one and you got this, you also
to recognize that you do have to position your for
the continuity of leadership, and decisions that you make today

(01:42:28):
could have negative consequences tomorrow. And we saw the consequence
of her losing and what we're in now, And I
just think I hope people learn from that that in politics,
don't always just take out the folk on your side.
Work with the people on your side, because you might
really really need them a little bit later.

Speaker 36 (01:42:50):
Go ahead, Yeah, I mean I think I definitely agree
with you, and I mean I was in the building,
and I would say that that there were efforts made
to support the team and to support what the team
wanted to do, and to support the vice president.

Speaker 19 (01:43:06):
So I think there's truth in all of this.

Speaker 36 (01:43:07):
I think she's right about ninety nine point nine percent
of what she's actually saying. But there were some opportunities
that were created that I think she took advantage.

Speaker 19 (01:43:17):
Of and she knocked it out the park.

Speaker 36 (01:43:19):
But I think the interesting thing I want to go
back to challenge you on one thing. I met with
the Vice President's team maybe two years after I left,
and I brought in CBS poll and we were meeting
to talk about what her accomplishments were and why they
weren't sticking, right, because we knew her all this stuff,

(01:43:40):
they weren't sticking. I pulled out this poll and I said,
look at this poll right here. Okay, now she's out
performing Joe Biden among his own coalition.

Speaker 19 (01:43:53):
So at one point she.

Speaker 36 (01:43:55):
Was out performing in terms of the polls. All those
are voters everybody you need to run. So my point
to the team was over index on targeting these constituencies
right now, okay, in your own interests over index. So yeah,
I mean the at one point the numbers did go down,

(01:44:15):
but then she kicked into high gear.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Well especially would really flip that she writes about the
Dobs decision and this was before that.

Speaker 36 (01:44:25):
She really yes, and this was actually before Dobbs where
she's she Okay, the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
First year was tough because Biden couldn't really do really it.

Speaker 36 (01:44:32):
Was the first year was tough. Second year she starts
to get her footing. By the third year she's smoking.
And so my point is you're already beaten Joe Biden
among his own coalition. Now, I don't know if they
saw the same poll I did. I'm sure they did.
That may have caused some more friction.

Speaker 11 (01:44:45):
Who knows what year.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Yes, there was still people who were going Joe Biden
say drop her.

Speaker 19 (01:44:51):
Oh oh, no doubt, but no doubt.

Speaker 36 (01:44:53):
I think people weren't looking at the numbers and they're
not political like you to understand what that actually meant.
And my point to them was you got something you
could cook wit right, do you know what I mean
to quote Donna bzzila, add a little grease to it
and this is gonna hit, and this is gonna hit.
And that's when she started doing the college tours. Then
Dobbs happened. She started traveling the country when she's going
down to La I mean to Atlanta, meeting with.

Speaker 19 (01:45:16):
Rappers and other you know folks, and that were key
in those constituencies.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
So even even when you got the twenty four economic tour,
because even then Biden Stield was not out there a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
So once once I want to be got past COVID,
but she was.

Speaker 19 (01:45:31):
So there's a lot of there was a lot of
opportunity there. You had your own pool. Joe Biden was
down right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
You start, but I can tell you this, Yere.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
I can definitely tell you from January to June absolute
struggle was with that campaign because that was also.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
The absolute struggles with it was in terms of her visibility.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
It was the conversations that I was having with people
and and the battle that was happening internally in terms
of trying to do exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
There were people forces who did not want her doing
those things.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
There were others who were saying, what are you talking about,
He's not moving to these lake use.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Her more half her out there talking me to it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
So when she did the economic tour, that was like
again in Asian City, thing was kind of there, but
there were others who were really advocating for to go
even harder.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
And it was this tension in the campaign.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
So you had a campaign tension, then you still had
a West Wing VP tension That made no sense to
me because I'm like you, yo, you.

Speaker 24 (01:46:37):
Need to win.

Speaker 36 (01:46:38):
Yeah, But it all goes back down to the same
set of small set of people, both the West Wing
and the campaign, and it was an extrict you.

Speaker 19 (01:46:45):
Already named him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
I mean that unlike and unlike most, this was a
he had loyalist and it was an extremely small cabal
of folks who were driving.

Speaker 8 (01:46:58):
No.

Speaker 36 (01:46:58):
I mean no, I'm laughing because I've been in this
business twenty five years and it's been the same small
cap folks for twenty five years. It's been the same
small making all the decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
All the money, and we're controlling everything, and we've seen
all this sort of this stuff come out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Let me go my panel. Rebecca to you first, thank
you so.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
Much for being on the show tonight. So two part question,
will Harris run again? And if so, how does she
need to position herself to be successful through a very
fraud and racous Democratic Democratic Party primary?

Speaker 36 (01:47:33):
Yeah, I mean I don't know the answer to that.
I don't think anyone knows it. Excuse me, I'm sorry,
I thought it was here.

Speaker 19 (01:47:38):
Forgive me. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
We got you, Okay, we got it, Okay, sorry forgive
it for it used to be the old camera.

Speaker 36 (01:47:47):
I don't think anyone knows the answer if she's going
to run again. I think it gets back to what
Roland said, whether or not it's a two part, two
part book deal. I think the if you if you
asked me based on this but Toular book, does this
suggest she's going to run again?

Speaker 19 (01:48:03):
My answer would be no, I don't. There's nothing.

Speaker 36 (01:48:06):
But also I don't know what I don't know about
what's in the book. What I'm hearing from her team
is that she's going to get into a lot of
the details of the actual campaign, but really close out
with the way forward. And so that's what I'm most
curious about, is how she sort of characterizes and described
how do we move forward as a party, as a people,
and as a nation. And then to me, that'll be

(01:48:27):
some indication whether or not she's actually gonna run In
terms of Yeah, then in terms of positioning herself, I mean,
I think the most important points, the most important what
matters most with her has always been the same, which
is having validators out there talking about what she actually

(01:48:49):
has done, and I would love to see her she
does but own it even more like lean into what
made her an exceptional leader in this particular book.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Right you? The second part is that what you get?

Speaker 19 (01:49:04):
Yeah, No, I think I addressed it because.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
You got both, Rebecca, Yep, she did.

Speaker 19 (01:49:09):
Yeah, I think I go right ahead.

Speaker 33 (01:49:12):
Yeah, thank you for joining. I had the honor of
being a youth director at the DNC or in the
campaign and got a chance to travel the country, uh
with the with the vice president, and I first hand
saw the incredible energy that young people had who wanted
to volunteer and get involved, but many didn't know as
we as we are hearing the behind the scenes dynamics
that shaped the decision making and the strategy.

Speaker 7 (01:49:33):
What do you wish the public, uh, the public.

Speaker 33 (01:49:37):
Could better understand these these internal dynamics that I think,
you know, influenced the outcome. And also do you think
this sets a blueprint for future vice presidents that may transition,
you know, midway through during campaigns.

Speaker 36 (01:49:54):
Yeah, I mean I think that one of the biggest
takeaways for me is this issue this word that I
mentioned earlier, which is agency that you know, I think
Shirley Chisholm said it best.

Speaker 19 (01:50:05):
You've got to bring your unfolding chair to the to
the table.

Speaker 36 (01:50:10):
You know, any particular leader, but especially black leaders, especially
black women, can't afford to be subjected to or maybe
a better way of characterizing it is being beholden to
someone else's vision for themselves.

Speaker 19 (01:50:29):
You know, there is there, There was a lot and
a lot.

Speaker 36 (01:50:33):
Of opportunity that was created for the vice president, and
I think, you know, I would have my advice to
any leader going forward is when the door is cracked,
you kick it all the way open. That you don't
wait for someone to give you permission to allow you
to give you an assignment to advocate for you as

(01:50:53):
much as you can. You've got to do it yourself.
And I think that's my top takeaway for future leaders.

Speaker 19 (01:50:59):
What was the second party question?

Speaker 33 (01:51:00):
I'm sorry, yeah, my second part would be, you know
the future vice president.

Speaker 36 (01:51:09):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, honestly, I think she established
an incredible blueprint. You know, I think it started slow
because we were in the middle of COVID, but once
she got her sea legs, you know, we were sort
of out of spring training, she was out of spring training,
and then she hit the hit the ground running fast
and hard.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
But I will say, I don't think there's a blueprint.

Speaker 19 (01:51:28):
Can I can I just say there there is one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Well, it's a blueprint is also based upon the president
and what that person also allows.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
For you to do.

Speaker 19 (01:51:38):
So my my argument, I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 36 (01:51:39):
My argument was always internally to the VP's team, He's
not going to tell you no. Why would he ever
tell the first woman and the first black person in
that position noted anything you wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Pushed hard enough.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Well, if he says no, but you you asked for
so you gone so hard, then looking damn, I'll let
you do this, this, this, heed that, Okay.

Speaker 36 (01:52:01):
So the challenge for the leader is to know, if
we're talking about blueprints, know what you want so you
can go and advocate for and if you don't get
what you want, which I this wouldn't have happened in
this particular situation.

Speaker 19 (01:52:13):
You've got an.

Speaker 36 (01:52:14):
Outside infrastructure that can push the White House to get
you what you want. But can I just say one
other thing, because there is some other thing about a blueprint?
What I saw Joe Biden do and I just I
just talked about this earlier. And maybe it's, you know,
sort of the white man in him and that privilege
that comes along with that. But there were several times

(01:52:34):
where he got ahead of the president. There were several
times when he went to the President and.

Speaker 19 (01:52:38):
Said this is what I want to do.

Speaker 36 (01:52:40):
I mean before he I don't know that the story
is even told, but before he was before the inauguration
in nine, he went to the President and said, I
want the Recovery Act.

Speaker 19 (01:52:48):
Now, let me tell you how genius that was. You
know what that means.

Speaker 36 (01:52:51):
I'm only going to get likely, You're only going to
get one bill passed likely.

Speaker 19 (01:52:55):
You know, worst case scenario. That was going to be
the first one. Why would he choose that one?

Speaker 36 (01:52:59):
Because that would enable him to go all around the
country right, checks purple states, blue states districts, establish his
own infrastructure. Right, So he was thinking long term about
his own future.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
No, no, no, We also know that he asked for
a lot about let him do some stuff. And then
Harry was like, get his ass out of here. He
missed my negotiations.

Speaker 36 (01:53:22):
Absolutely, yeah, and he would and then he became marginalized.
But he never stopped knocking on the door. But here's
the thing that I also he needed the vice press.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
So here's the other thing that I think, and again,
this is why I disagree with this notion of a blueprint.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
The difference with Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
First, you're talking about a person who was the creature
of the United States Senate, who had extensive Capitol Hill relations,
who had extensive foreign relations, serving as a chair of
the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. One of the reasons he
was picked served on the committee with Obama, and so
he brought frankly heft.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
To the position.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
She comes as vice president, gets elected sixteen, so basically
you're in the Senate three years before that attorney general.

Speaker 19 (01:54:14):
So now I think, I mean, and you know, she's
worked at every level.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
No, no, no, I understand every level of government.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
But there is a difference between being a da in
ag in California and being a three year United States
Senator and serving as vice president compared to let me
just let me just pared to what he brought to
the table. And I think when she talks about staff
not working at that level, it also applies to her

(01:54:45):
because that also was a whole different animal than she
ever experienced. And I only know this just from personal conversations.
She had to get her footing, and it was like
and one of the criticisms of the Vice President and
if I sat across from her at dinner, well, actually

(01:55:08):
I did say it is that she often was so
so careful, so meticulous, that it contributed to problems. That
her best two speeches as vice president were actually at
two funerals. First was in Buffalo. Second was Tyree Nichols.

(01:55:32):
Even though Nichols was scripted, the Buffalo one wasn't because
there was no script, there was no speech, there was nothing.
Sharpton called her up to make some comments and I
saw her no notes, know nothing, just speak off the
top and the passion, the energy, the compact, all of

(01:55:54):
that with it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
I think one of her weaknesses is being so.

Speaker 19 (01:56:01):
That what it does is risk versus it constricts you
from being you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
If I go to the campaign, forget all the rallies
it was when she went when she had the rally.
There was a rally at the hangar at the Detroit Airport,
but it was the speech she gave at the Union Hall,
and I kept saying, y'aught to unleash that Harris. And
so I think for her, just like anybody else, that

(01:56:29):
first couple of years, she had to gain footing with
what that was. Unlike a Biden, who because he had
operated in that power circle for so long. Hell, he
just to your point. He just rolled in and said, Hey,
this is what I want to do.

Speaker 19 (01:56:45):
Let me intrude you before I forget my point.

Speaker 36 (01:56:47):
But I think as we talk about blueprints, one thing
that you have to understand going into that building, not
just the vice president or the president, even me as
a staffer.

Speaker 19 (01:56:58):
You have to understand your own power.

Speaker 36 (01:57:01):
Okay, So Joe Biden's power is I know my way
around the Senate, I know policy, I know forum bah
blah blah, I got relationships, et cetera.

Speaker 19 (01:57:09):
Her powers, you had ninety four percent of black women
behind you.

Speaker 36 (01:57:13):
You had, you know, uh, that whole coalition that we
cultivated for her, that were that was behind her. So
I think when you come into the room and you
have to understand your your history maker, I dare somebody,
you know, I don't know if I can curse about
I wish a motherfucker would kind of an attitude exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
So.

Speaker 19 (01:57:33):
So so my point is that the key.

Speaker 36 (01:57:36):
Is you have to always understand what am I working with,
why am I in this particular room, And so if
you if you can understand that, then that informs your
entire strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Rebecca, do you have a question before you go?

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Okay, Rebecca's gone, zach lieb early as well, last last
point here, I really hope, I really hope. First of all,
as Tyler asked it earlier, Yet we don't know what
she's going to do. She always she's already made a decision.

(01:58:11):
She wasn't going to run for governor of California. I
never believed that she was going to run for governor
of California. When people were asking me, I was like, gosh,
y'all don't understand. You don't understand what the personal toll
of losing of being in office.

Speaker 19 (01:58:31):
I mean, that's exaust She's been doing it since she
was third.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
What I mean is but being I get all of that,
but I'm talking about literally being on the cusp of
being president of the United States, first woman president of
the United States, but also losing to someone who's evil.
And so I remember having conversations with people close.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
To her and others. I was like, I don't think
for a second, I said, because you literally have to process.
It's grief. People.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
I tell the stories how she was in tears that night.
I'm like, y'all understand, losing is not simple. Being on
the cusp is not simple. You have to take some time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
I never believe.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
I just felt that trying to step into a governor's
race was way too soon.

Speaker 36 (01:59:24):
It's just a losing so not you can't you can't
really win as a governor and to position yourself to
be president, well, I mean, I mean that's that's a
challenging thing in California and since other states we're talking
about California.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
But the other piece is that if your intention was
not to if your attention was not to run for
president one day, also making history as the first black
female governor is also history. But also California is the
fourth artist economy, and it is a perch by which
you can still be part of the national conversation. But
the point I'm making here is I still believe there

(02:00:02):
is a tremendous role.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
That she can play. Absolutely, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
There's a wide open space. I look at what's happening
right now. Sure Obama created this jerrymandering redistricting thing with
Eric Holder afterwards.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
But I still think that what it's missing right now.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
Is somewhat of a national stature who can speak to
those coalitions. I look at Texas. What do we said
about our Native Texas. The reality is it's not it
is ruby red. It's simply an unorganized and disorganized Sure,
you know you got eighty one Democratic county parties with

(02:00:45):
two and fifty four county, but also.

Speaker 19 (02:00:46):
To the party just goes in and rapes them of
all their money.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
It doesn't in the state.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
What I was just about to make I'm about to
make there is it would be helpful to have someone
of that of that stature, who say, no, we're gonna
go in, We're going to raise eight ten, twelve ten million,
or with the number, and let's target eight ten House
seats to break this super majority. Let's really try to
have a competitive for United States Senate race. And still there,

(02:01:10):
so the role is still there for her to play,
she said on Stephen Colbert in terms of the role
that she wants to play. So I do look forward
to during this book tour and after this book tour
knowing what that is, even if it's not running for
president in twenty twenty eight, because I still believe it
is going to be exponentially harder for her more than

(02:01:34):
anybody else, because she's going to have to address every
single day how to raise one pour to five billion
and lose, and then the people who are still pissed off.
And the other thing is this here, we know how
politics work. People are going to be looking for a
fresh voice, fresh face. Then the question is they like,
we ain't trying to go back. So I can't wait
till her. People hit me the other day they said, hey,

(02:01:56):
you want to see you in the book before it drops,
and so I can't wait to read it.

Speaker 19 (02:02:00):
You're interview too. I can't wait for your interview with
her too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Yes, trust I've already had that conversation, and I know
you have with some folks as well.

Speaker 19 (02:02:09):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
I'm gonna be sitting out with Roland, so we'll see
how that happens. But I really do want people to
read this expert exerpt, to read the book to really
understand that they may love to West Wing, they may
love Scandal, they may love any of those political shows
I watched, but ain't nothing.

Speaker 7 (02:02:30):
Like the real thing.

Speaker 36 (02:02:31):
Yeah, I mean, and I hope that and and I'm
hearing from her tine that she will that it gets
into some really constructive, productive points because she was in
a unique position as the first woman and the first
black woman, and as a woman a black woman that's
trying to navigate the world and dealing with a lot
of challenges that she's dealing with. I think she has
an incredible opportunity to really get into some of those

(02:02:54):
conversations that we've never elevated, elevated nationally. What does it
mean to be the first in that particular role with
that much power, that much pressure, and that much.

Speaker 19 (02:03:03):
Sort of adversity. How did you overcome that?

Speaker 36 (02:03:06):
How did And that's what I would love to see
her talk about on the tour because that's something that
we can all take away, not just me, but my
daughter and the next generation. How we can all show
up bigger, better and more effectively in our.

Speaker 19 (02:03:19):
Roles and in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Last point I'll make here for the people who are
watching and listening why they need to understand.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Also, while black on media matters.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
It used to really piss me off to listen to
people bitch and mom, radio show host, podcasters, writers, commentators,
but how she wasn't interfacing with black leadership. And it
used to piss me off because I said, y'all don't

(02:03:53):
know how to check a Twitter feed.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
The reality is and I ain't got no. She had
way more meetings and discussions with black leadership.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
And when I say black leadership, she expanded the the
the the access of black leadership even more than Obama did.

Speaker 19 (02:04:14):
I think our first meeting was black with a Black
Chamber of Commerce.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
But what I'm talking about, I'm talking what I'm talking.

Speaker 19 (02:04:21):
So it was broad.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
We're I'm talking just civil rights leader.

Speaker 19 (02:04:26):
Sure, that's what I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
I mean, people understand it was Yes, chains of commerce, Yes,
it was D nine.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Yes, it was so broad.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
The problem was and the point I'm getting to that
people understand the reason black on media is so important
is because so much of that stuff no one knew
because Black on media is not in a position to
be able to pay multiple White House correspondents or congressional

(02:04:58):
correspondent coordinate to actually be on on on on air
force too and be a part of the pool. And
so there was because even when she traveled, there were
people she would meet with. I remember, I remember when
she went to Detroit. They asked me to go be
a part of the pool. And I hate being a
part of the pool. I just despise being a part
of the pool. I just hated it because of the constriction.

(02:05:19):
And I remember when she finished speaking, they rushed us
out and we're in the van and then she's meeting
with a group of African Americans in there, and I'm
telling her staff, why the fuck are we sitting out
here in the fire, I'm like, don't you notice the
campaign going?

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
You want folks to know that is happening. And so
it was okay, damn, you're right, you're right, you're right. Okay,
you're right. And that was the thing that I kept
trying to get them to understand what you have to show,
what you have to say.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
But I need our people to understand there's so many
things that we don't notice happening because white media ain't.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
Telling us, they ain't covering it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
And and that's and so why we need people to
black on media is because by having our folks in
those places, we can tell those stories in real time
and not when a book comes out three, four or
five years later.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
And so and then if more of us were aware of.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Those conversations, I think we wouldn't have had a lot
of the bs that was being thrown out there. What
she wasn't doing, we don't see her, and all sort
of stuff along those lines.

Speaker 19 (02:06:23):
Can I can I can I close on one note too?

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
I don't.

Speaker 36 (02:06:27):
I think black own media is critically important, not just
for a black member, for all members you for our
community to have access to all of these people and
what they're doing.

Speaker 19 (02:06:37):
But can I also add that black staff.

Speaker 36 (02:06:40):
With authority is insanely essential in these places, and so
we as a black collective should be advocating for asking
questions about who the hell looks like me, that's at
the table that has budget authority, that can go in
and tell the president's team stand down, we're not doing that.

(02:07:00):
That can tell the vice president of any of these
elected officials what's happening behind their back, protect their own interests.
So that is critically important. And it's not just at
the White House. It's at the Capitol as well.

Speaker 19 (02:07:11):
That's very important.

Speaker 36 (02:07:12):
And many of these many many members that look like
us don't have those folks around them. More importantly, they're
not also at the table advocating for going Let's just pick.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
They do who do not advocate for us?

Speaker 36 (02:07:28):
No, I mean, and it's intentional to some degree, it's
insanely intentional. But the point too is even if you're
at the table, I need to know that you've got
budget authority.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
Y'all. People are hilarious talk about what need to see
her shoes? Stop? I don't know what the hell do
you know how many times I get that?

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
First of all, I see everything and tell them what
they look like. See the ship they black? Calm down,
See they don't realize. I'll monitor the chat why things happening.
So the book is one hundred and seven days, y'all.
Vice President Kamala Harris can't wait to drop again. They're
gonna be sending me a copy. Yes, I will read

(02:08:09):
it because some other political books I got them on
the shelf, I didn't read them because I didn't give
a damn.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
Actually, at TM would appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Thanks a bunch before to having your back, Uh and
woola high school you went to.

Speaker 19 (02:08:20):
In Houston clear Lank High School? Which you mean? Is
there any other? Is there any other Jackades?

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
Is there any other? Feel like? Actually in Houston?

Speaker 19 (02:08:30):
No, y'all, y'all, y'all co opted us because we got NASA.
Y'all won't let us not be in Houston.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
Actually show broke. So y'all, y'all, y'all need that tax base.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
But yes, yours truly went to the Jackades High School.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Everybody know that. Everybody know that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
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