MAGA Lies on Black Cities, Dems Slam Kirk Vote, Crockett vs GOP, Record $150M HBCU Gift

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Then Friday, September nineteen, twenty twenty five, coming up, Roland
Martin unfilched, streaming live on the Black Start network. You know, conservatives,
Charlie Kirk is one of those folks love talking about crime,
black on black crime, inner city crime. Oh, it's the
highest in the country. Michael Harry says, that's bullshit. We'll

(00:42):
talk to him about that on the show. What the
hell were Democrats thinking? Including Democratic Leader Hakim Jeffries voting
for a resolution praising Charlie Kirk. The Republicans put up
four CDC members voted yes. I'm ana name all four.
On today's show, progressive Ezra Cline sat down with right

(01:04):
wing idea logue Ben Shapiro and they talked about Obama
race and why the Republicans were so against Obama. I
don't know what the hel client was talking about, and
I damn shouldn't know what the hell Ben Shapiro was
talking about, but y'all know I got something to say
about that. Also, Houston Tillison College at HBCU in Austin,

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will have the president right here on the show. Lots
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Speaker 5 (02:16):
Question.

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No, he's rolling.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Trumps can't stand black people, especially black people who lead
cities in this country. He's always ragging on Chicago Mayor
Brendan Johnson, Los Angeles, Mary Karen bass Uh, Brandon Scott
in Baltimore, Memphis, Paul Young. We can go on and
on and on. It's amazing how he never brings up
cities run by white mayors where they have crime, but

(02:55):
they always are pushing this idea that these large Democrat
runs cities are just hot beds of crime and that
there's no there's no crime like in these cities unlike
any other. Michael Herritt, the editor founder of contraband camp
dot com, said that's bullshit. He joined us right now,
Michael glad to have held you back on the show.

(03:15):
So what did you go through? So what were you
because we see this as matter of fact. You know,
Charlie Kirk, boy, he made a living off of this,
going on college campuses, going on Jubilee everywhere else, just
just running off and reciting all of these facts, all
of these facts about black on black crime and the
democratic cities at howards. So it's so awful, so bad,

(03:36):
and so terrible. And Donald Trump's run runs with that.
Democrats were on Capitol Hill this week grilling the mayor
of Washington, d C. And others saying the exact same thing,
but you found something different.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, So I actually started this. I'm not in response
to Charlie Kirk because I don't think like this took
so long that it couldn't have been done that quickly.
I started this before, just to you know, you've heard
that rhetoric, and so I started looking into it into
the stats.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Again.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
I always have to remind people that, like, you know,
my career started as an economist, as that's what I
taught in colleges across the country. And so what we
found was that first of all, One of the reasons
we need to be teaching people civics lesson is that
really there is no such thing as democrat run cities.
Right Like, cities don't make the law that govern crime. Right,

(04:34):
cities don't control the law. Even in large cities like
New York. They the state legislatures right the crime. The
government right the laws. The state legislatures fund policing efforts,
They fund the police academy in the states, So like
mayors and city councils have very little to do with crime.

(04:55):
If anything, they hire the police officers. And you know,
I always get Vicepiel year. Police officers do not prevent crime.
They enforce the law that are already that's already written.
So the thing is that even in these so called
democrat controlled cities where crime is high, they're usually in

(05:15):
red states. Sixteen of the cities with the highest crime
rates are in Republican or red states, and you know
four of them are kind of in Republican red states.
But the legislature is split. You know, they have Republican governor.
One branch of the republic the House, I mean, or
of the legislature is Republican control. But they might have

(05:36):
another branch that is that has a slight democratic majority,
but only four of the worst most violent cities are
in you know, blue states. And the other thing we
should know is when they always bring up Chicago when
it comes to violent crime. Chicago is one d and
twenty first on the list, but because it's the third

(05:58):
largest city in America, they love to pull out those statistics. So,
you know, a combination of learning specifics and actually knowing
math is how you find out that most crime occurs
in red states and like most of the crimes are
a majority white, Republican controlled cities. Now you broke up

(06:29):
for a.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Second, what are you basing the data on? So when
you're talking about something, what are you basing that on?

Speaker 6 (06:34):
So I use two specific databases, right, So one I
use the same database that they like to cite when
they talk about black people being so violent, the FBI
Uniform Crime Reporting database. Now instead of using the one
about arrest, because we know how flayed arrest can be
that just determines that's just determined by poor police arrest.

(06:56):
The FBI also has a database on imported crime. So
all of the crime that's reported, whether it's solved or not,
whether they arrest someone or not. I use that database.
And the other database that I used aside from the Census,
is the American Council of State Legislatures account of They

(07:17):
do a monthly report on who controls each state's legislature
and governorship. So those are the that's the data. I
use government data.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So what's amazing to me is this wasn't hard for
you to find. Why is it so hard for Democrats
not to put out their own list of top ten
deadly at cities and show they're red.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
One.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't know why. And the other thing is, I mean,
if you've ever you know, passed by MSNBC, and you
know Saturlly caught Joe Scarborough talking about black on black
crime in DC because one city is deadly, Like people
know what they experience, so a lot of people feel

(08:05):
like you talk about where the crime actually occurs, you're
dismissing the people because everybody is concerned about crime in
their city. And you know, there's years of Gallop research
that shows that most people, whether they're black or white,
wherever they live, they feel like crime is getting worse
and it's not true like crime has been on the

(08:27):
decline since the nineteen nineties. But I think that's partly why,
and partly because you know, the Democrats use white advisors
and pr firms that advise them against it. We've seen
you and I have seen Democratic firms like Blue Rolls
Research tell them, hey, don't talk about DEI don't don't

(08:49):
because it doesn't pole well. Don't talk about the crime
or Trump sending troops to Washington and DC because it
doesn't pole well, so that they keep chasing these so
called moderate white voters who never somehow show up in
the ballot box right or in the voting booth. And
that's partly why, right, because the Democratic Party is still

(09:11):
a white controlled party who believes a lot of the
nonsense like crime is in Democrat controlled majority black cities.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Uh yeah. And also because it's been told so many times,
folks just go it just got to be true. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
I think that's a lot of it too, Like these
white supremacist narratives have been repeated so much that they
become truth, right, And so we know that that's not true.
Like when you look at they always cite the arrest statistics.
What we know like police only arrest about two percent

(09:48):
of people who are responsible for crime. So you're telling
me that police who they arrest, like these dudes who
train for six weeks are giving a gun and a
badge and sitting out on the streets, they are the
most effective determinants of who is committing the crime. And
what we find is that crime occurs where police control

(10:09):
because they determine who they arrest. And we say, well,
that's the high crime area because they target black people.
But in reality, if you look at where crime is reported,
it's not specifically where black people live. It's usually in
places where stuff like lacks good laws, low education, people
who don't have people, places with high unemployment, race, and

(10:33):
those places just happen to be in red states.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So how do we change this narrative? I mean, and
so it's just constantly, you know, just lighting up the
folks like Joe Scarborough, Morning Joe. How do we change it?

Speaker 6 (10:47):
Because like doing what you do right, like you light
them up and you have to write it. And you
don't just light them up and say you're stupid or
as racis. You light them up by saying what you're
saying is not true. What you're saying is false. Now,
if you can prove to me that crime is worse
in this Democrat control city.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
Right.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
I always ask people like, give me your ZIP called number,
see how the crime is in your city. Right, And
when they find out that, oh, the crime rate is
just as high wherever these white people live, then they
change their tomb Right. But the other way we can
do it is I believe in the you know, being
trusting journalists.

Speaker 9 (11:27):
Right.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
I believe in the theory of this concept called the
necessary of existence. Right, Like when people like you show
do shows like this and say, hey, that thing that
you always believe it's not true. This will be on
the internet forever. This article will be on the internet forever. Right,
And so whenever somebody else decides to look up is

(11:50):
it true, they're gonna google. This is gonna come up
in their Google search. That article is going to come
up in their Google search, and then they can know
the facts. And that's why it's important to trust journalists.
And there's a difference between journalists and content creators and
just people who say things like Joe.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Scarbrough absolutely well, great breakdown, folks, go to contrabandcamp dot
com contrabandcamp dot com to check out Michael's story. You
see it says right there, our Democrat control Black city
is more violent. Here's what the data says. And also,
folks do is a favorite support independent black on media.

(12:27):
Subscribe to contrabandcamp dot com, and trust me, we need
more of that because this is what we're facing. We're
facing right wing who is controlling so much of media.
You got folks who just libed latantly on television, on digital,
on social, and very few folks want to correct them.

(12:47):
And I'm a firm believer the data is the data,
So don't try to sit here and say one thing
is the truth when it's really not. Michael, we appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Thanks a lot, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm my pan On, Matt Manning sibrit to turn Out
Corpus Christie. Michael m Hotep hosts African History Network show
Out of Detroit, joining me right now in studio. Robert
Tillo ci Russ Attorney. He also works in the office
of congress Man Jonathan Jackson, where they have all three
of you here. I'm gonna start with you, Robert, I mean, well,
Michael dave Out, I mean it's the bs to be

(13:19):
constantly see the BSB, constantly see the BSV. Constantly see
and it's just stupid and so fats or facts, and
so it's important to combat to facts.

Speaker 10 (13:27):
Yeah, I think we also have to stop letting other
people define what exactly crime is. I think we have
to stop allowing folks to tell us what statistics they're
gonna use. Because when we're talking about high crime areas,
I would argue the two highest crime areas in America
right now are Wall Street and Capitol Hill. But we
don't want to count that as being crime. If Wall
Street is still seventy billion dollars like in the n

(13:49):
Ron scandal, somehow that's not considered a high crime area.
And if we're watching our military killed thirty random Venezuelans with
absolutely no justification, claiming they're narco terror, but that doesn't
count as violent crime. So when we talk about framing
these subjects, we are really talking about poverty, because when
we talk about high crime areas, we're talking about high

(14:09):
poverty areas. The only the number one determining factor. After
fifteen years in court defending people that I can tell
you the one determining factor is your ZIP coding, your
income when it comes to crime. And if we worked
on dealing with housing, dealing with education, dealing with the
price of food, dealing with universal healthcare. Those crime numbers
go down a whole lot more than mass incarcerations and

(14:31):
putting troops in the streets.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
But they don't want to deal with those fundamental issues,
Matt and it's always, hey, lock them up, throw away
the key. That's how you solve it. And we know
what that really is about. That is a short term
high that makes people say, look at the inferently about crime,
when no, that's not actually what it's going to drive
crime down now.

Speaker 11 (14:52):
So it's about lock them up and throw away the
key for the other people and not me. Like I've
said on the show, people just sit in my office
when I was a prosecutor, and the same I would
see on social media saying the DA's office is two
week would be the ones who are coming in my
office asking for an exception for Muffy because she got
a DWI leaving the local college. I mean, the reality
is they want the other people to be policed. And
I think Robert hit the nail on the head. I mean,

(15:14):
I was kind of hoping Michael got into that a
little further, but he kind of alluded to.

Speaker 9 (15:17):
It when he talked about a lot of the other metrics.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Crime doesn't happen in a vacuum, and we know that
when it comes to policing and arrest, police tend to
be considerably more arrest heavy in the areas of town
where they don't think that people there either have political power,
or have socioeconomic status, or have been forgotten by the city,
as is true across this country, and they arrest a
lot more there than they do in the rich part

(15:40):
of town.

Speaker 9 (15:41):
Let's just be straight up honest.

Speaker 11 (15:42):
How many times have I read a police report where
the cop tells some rich kid that, you know, go
ahead and get out of here, and they're gonna snuff
the weed out on the ground. But on the west
side of town they're hooking that kid up every day
of the week for weed. I mean, that's just the
reality of it, and we don't have that kind of
nuance when we have these conversations. It's really about a
lot more than whether your mayor is Democratic or Republican, and.

Speaker 9 (16:02):
It's really just dishonest.

Speaker 11 (16:04):
I mean, it's disingenuous because there's so many other things
that determine that and what it's about.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
It's about dog whistling.

Speaker 11 (16:10):
It's about saying black or non white or brown some
other way than just saying black or non.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
White, right or brown.

Speaker 11 (16:17):
I mean, it's about all the other metrics and all
the other things than saying that that's not the truth.
The truth is that crime is first off, primarily committed
by people against people of their own race. And secondly,
the police have a completely different approach in different parts
of town, and that is going to obviously correlate to
the disparity in how things look. But even there, they're

(16:39):
not honest about the data. And I'm glad that he
tried that out in the segment before.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Absolutely, and Michael, what we see here. Listen, we got
white execs and media, white host and media who don't
want to actually present the data because they believe it too.

Speaker 9 (16:57):
Well.

Speaker 12 (16:57):
Yeah, not only do they blie leave it, but they
make money off of pushing these lives. Okay, So Number one,
excellent work by Michael Harriet. Number two, if we look
at this piece, because I've been talking about this for
the past couple of weeks, there's a piece from newsweek
dot com called high crime and Republican Cities fueled by

(17:19):
guns inequality, and one of the things they talk about
that oftentimes goes overlooked is that in a lot of
Republican states or Republican cities, what have you, You have
lower taxes in Republican areas.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
This may also lead to less funding.

Speaker 12 (17:36):
For police, which helps fuel crime, but less police to
catch the crime.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, so you have that.

Speaker 12 (17:43):
Another thing is and a lot of cities that Republicans
or conservatives like to say, oh it's a democratic city.
When it comes to mayor, it's nonpartisan.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So if you are a Republican who.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
Has better ideas, you can run from mayor as well.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
And that's okay.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
Some cities are different, but a lot of cities mayor
is nonpartisan. So it's also plays into this white supremist
narrative and stereotyping African Americans as having a proclivity to
committee more crimes. But at the same time, you look
at JD. Vans Junior Varsity vance. He was just here
this week in Howell, Michigan, which is known to be

(18:23):
associated with the ku klutz Klan. That's a whole other conversation.
But he said to Governor Gritch and Whitmer she wasn't there,
but he said, just say the word, and we'll send
the National Guard into Detroit. Okay, he didn't talk about
the millions of dollars in community violence intervention grants that
were cut nationwide, and many of that was cut here
in Detroit. He didn't talk about the safer streets and

(18:46):
safer communities eight hundred and eleven million dollars in grants
that the Trump administration cut from the Biden administration that
was helping bring down crime nationwide.

Speaker 13 (18:56):
Including Detroit.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
So this is how many people see us.

Speaker 12 (19:00):
Why we have to understand how elections have consequences while
media platforms like yours is so important.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Road Well again, we know how black media works. All right, folks,
gotta go to break. We come back Houston. Tillison gets
a massive donation, one of the largest ever to an HBCU.
We'll talk to the president next. Also, we'll talk about
a vote on the Capitol Hill. Why the Democratic House
Leader Hakim Jefferies and other Democrats vote for this resolution

(19:25):
praising the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. But it
was devoid of all the things that he said that
was shameful, to speak about the racist against black people
and others. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that, and we're
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Folks, huge donation coming the way to Houston. Tillison College
in Austin, Texas. The Moody Foundation announced a one one
hundred and fifty million dollar donation, which matches, of course
ht's one hundred and fiftieth anniversary. This is one of
the largest donations ever ever given to an HBCU, and

(23:13):
so their president has been smiling and beaming and excited
since this announcement came down, and so I'm sure she
is still on cloud nine as a result of this gift.
Doctor Melville Wallace Jones is right now, was up.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
For you.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I'm doing good, doing good, So tell us about this donation.
How did this come about?

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
So it is a donation from the Moody Foundation, and
of course to celebrate our Sesqui centennial one hundred and
fifty years. I guess they feil that it was befitting
that they matched the years of service that we have
been committed to educating people in this community.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
So, yeah, one hundred and fifty million dollars from the
Moody Foundation.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Now, had you had you and others, had y'all been
talking to them, had y'all laid up your master plan?
Was this over a period of time or do they
just wake up and say I should, We'll get them
on hundred fifty million.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, well, I don't know if anybody just wakes up
and decides to drop one hundred and fifty million dollars,
But you know, it's a testament to writing the vision
and making it plain. So what we did was in
twenty twenty two when I first arrived, we started with
a with a strategic plan call from First to Foremost.
For those of you that don't know, Houston Tiltson University
is the third oldest.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Business in the city of Austin, and in addition.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
To that, we are the oldest institution for higher learning
here in Austin, Texas. So that means we decided that
we would go from just being known as going first,
being the first institution of higher learning, to going to
the foremost institution UH in this country.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
So we wrote the strategic plan.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
UH, we started on a master plan and from there
really became intentional about building partnerships to help us reach
the goals that we had outlined in our strategic plan
and in our master plan.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Obviously it's private, Obviously you're there in Austin. You've got
that little small school as a Texas and un graduate
we call it TU Texas University. Uh there as well.
So you know in Austin, uh I mean Houston Tillison
obviously it gets overshadowed by the hideous Orange behemoth. Uh so, yes,

(25:44):
that's right. I'm very petty when it comes to when
it comes to uh that that little school in Austin.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
So I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
But but but the thing here is when we talk
about where where y'all are again, and you also don't
have a large black pots population in Austin as well,
so it's a lot of things that are at disadvantage.
And so since you got there, since you arrived there,

(26:11):
and there were a bunch of other places that wanted
you to be president, But what was it about this
school and what did you see that can be built
there that the Moody Foundation said, you know what, we
like this vision. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
So the exciting part about it, and I tell students
this all the time when you think about, you know,
what higher education means, especially the black folk, which I
am very passionate about, is you know, you have to
think of the pathway. It's not just going to college,
which is great, but what's the pathway to the workforce?
And so we've been very intentional. As a matter of fact,

(26:45):
online u dot com has ranked Houston Tillis University as
the number one HBCU in the country for putting students
in the highest wage jobs immediately after graduation.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
That to me is the job of higher education. So
as we think about.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
What we're doing here, and again being very intentional, it
is thinking about how do you get students from freshman
year to career ready and not just going into jobs,
you know, to work in a cubicle and to have
these entry level positions.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
But it's really for us.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
We think about how we create black wealth and how
we ensure that black and brown communities are prepared to
not only go into the workforce, but to create workforce opportunities.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Your majors, So what is your dominant education focus?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, so we are a small private liberal I call
it a small private boutique liberal arts college. So and
right now, with AI and technology, it's in vogue right
and being in Austin really helps. So we are the
tech hub and Austin is known as the Silicon Valley
of the South. And so with that in mind, we

(28:01):
have a lot of STEM majors, business majors, community you know,
computer science. And this year alone our graduating class, I know,
we had about ten to fifteen graduates who signed six
figure contracts as their first job. One young man and
I was gonna say his name, but I don't want

(28:23):
y'all trying to borrow money from him, but he is.
He graduated and signed a two hundred, two hundred fifty
thousand dollars contract. This is first contract straight out of college,
nineteen year old kid who has never lived anywhere else
besides his mama's house and the dorms.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Here at Houston Tilli's University.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
So those are the majors, and we're, you know, again,
very very very strategically focused on preparing our students to
create the workforce and especially integrating AI and technology.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
And our students are really getting into it.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
When we compare, I mean, how many other HBCUs have
gotten gifts this large.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
This seems to be the largest gift to an HBCU.
You know that that is out there, and not just
to an HBCU. I think Spelman received last year one
hundred million dollar gift, which was the largest. And I'm
going to tell you the back story to this. They
originally told me that we were going to get a
gift for one hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
One hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
So on. You know, we're.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Preparing and working with our marketing firms and both the
Moody team and the HT team, you know, working with
a joint marketing firm to help us, you know, amplify
the message. And on the day of on yesterday, Ross Moody,
who is an incredible friend, and Ellie Moody, who is
almost you know, I mean, she's like a sister to me. Now,

(29:53):
they announced one hundred and fifty million dollars and Roland
I'm going to tell you I honestly thought that he
had made a Fordian slip. I'm like, oh my god,
he has accidentally said one hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 9 (30:04):
And he looks over.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
If you go back to the live stream, he leans
over and they're both looking at me and they're.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Like, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
And they had gone back and even after we had
you know, agreed upon this, you know, they had agreed
to bless us with this one hundred and thirty million
dollar gift. They saw the potential and the plans and
the things that we want to do, and decided on
their own to increase that gift even more and announce

(30:34):
at the podium one hundred and fifty million dollars because
if you see some of our posts, we were prepared
and had scheduled posts for one hundred and thirty million dollars,
and I said that was a good correction to make
that We were happy to have our marketing teams go
back and correct one hundred and thirty million to say
one hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
So a great, great, great day. Great.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I would say that's pretty damn cool to get
twenty million dollars added to it.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
Yes, right, I.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Am like, look at God, won't he do it?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
He will do exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask
and think, And it's just a testament of the generosity
of people. But it's also a I believe it's their
commitment to education, which is so important, you know, to
them and their family. So forever grateful to Ross and
Ellie Moody and into the entire Moody Foundation.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
And for folks. So this is the this is the
announcement on the website. Houston Tennessee University receives a historic,
wonder fifty million dollar gift from the Moody Foundation, the
largest gift to a single HBCU in history. Let's go
questions for our panel. I'll go to Matt you first.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
Let me first say go rams.

Speaker 11 (31:54):
I think I'm the only Native Austinite on this panel,
doctor Wallace, So thank you to HD for what y'all
have done all these years. I spent many, many many
times up at HD before I went off to college myself,
So congratulations and thank you for being the beacon of Austin,
the beacon of East Austin.

Speaker 9 (32:12):
My question for you, though, is the Moody Foundation.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
This is the same Moody Foundation that gave that school
up the road that my parents went to. Rowland's referring
to I think one hundred and thirty million dollars to
build the Moody Center back in the day. So I
just kind of want to know how y'all went about getting.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
In contact with the Moody Foundation.

Speaker 11 (32:30):
I think you may have mentioned this, but did they
come to y'all with the donation and how did you
kind of decide what the school is going to use
the money for in terms of investments. I know part
of that's going to be new dorms and other things.
But what are your lists of priorities as it relates
to this investment.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, fantastic question.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
So the Moody Foundation relationship is not new to Houston
Tillotson University.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It is not new at all. As a matter of fact,
in the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
The Moody Foundation, they're the only living eponyms that we
have on campus, and all of our buildings are you know,
like most university campuses, the building is named after someone,
but they are the only living eponyms that we have
with the building with their name on it. So we
have the Jackson Moody Building Humanities building that is here

(33:19):
on campus.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
So the relationship was there, and.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
That's a testament to saying, especially to other universities and
at HBCUs, thinking about where the relationships are currently and
finding ways to re engage those donors. And you know,
Ross Moody in in all of his brilliant you know,
just knowing about our institution and of course us operating

(33:45):
in excellence every single day, decided to contact us to
discuss and to discover.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
How we might partner on something really special.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
And when you think about the matching, you know, the
gift and saying okay, one hundred thirty million dollars to
ut and then him upping the ante because he really
wanted to show and the movie Foundation really wanted to
show their commitment to this university and the commitment to
this HBCU. And I will also add, just when you

(34:16):
think about the gifts, one hundred and fifty million dollars, Yeah,
it's a big number for HBCUs, but in the scheme
of all higher education, this is from our research. I
think we're in the top twenty or thirty universities to
receive this type of gift. And when you think when
you're asking about what we plan on doing with it,

(34:37):
part of it is for infrastructure. We can't continue to
look like what we've been through, okay, and so for us,
it's building state of the art student apartments for our
students as well as students scholarships. My goal is to
ensure and it aligns with the moodies, that we can
put students into the workforce with as less debt as possible,

(35:02):
as less as possible, that's the goalth.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Robert.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
I want to talk about this idea that you said
earlier about being almost a boutique university. I love that
idea of being boutique, being jurious, being artismal, being small,
back to being almost this luxury lifestyle brand of universities
can kind of expand on that for people who have
never heard of the concept.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
You know what I appreciate about this ecosystem that we
call Houston Tillison University is that, Yes, we're located in
a metropolitan city, the capital of Texas, and I look
right out of my window and I see the capital.
We're located downtown. It's a gorgeous view, and I can

(35:51):
look at the Indeed Tower and I see all of
the technology. But when you come on our campus, you
feel the boutique nature of the experience that is exclusive,
and it's exclusive to those who desire to have a
education that is rewarding, not only while you are while

(36:14):
you are a student. We all know that the HBCU
lifestyle is fun and it's energetic, and it's it's amplified
on social media to be this, you know, just the
excitement around what HBC you mean, what HBCUs mean. But
at our university, we really hone in on the family

(36:34):
and the close knit nature and the connectivity of what
we do on our campus, and so I like to
refer to it as the boutique college field.

Speaker 12 (36:48):
Michael, doctor Wallace, I know you said that two of
the major chunks of the one hundred and fifty million
will go to housing and scholarships, scholarships to bring down
the cost of education for students. But I was also
wondering you mentioned technology a minute ago. I was wondering
if you could talk about a little bit of what

(37:10):
you envision as far as investments into various departments, acquiring
new technology, new labs, different things of this nature.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
I appreciate that question because we like to believe that
we are leading in that space.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
This year we started the HBCU AI con.

Speaker 19 (37:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
The HBCU AI.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Conference was a brainchild of mine because I have been
going and speaking at a lot of conferences about AI
and higher education.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
And you know, although I was going to a lot
of national.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Conferences, not a lot of people who looked like me
were at these conferences.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
So I knew that, you know, you know, being in
the HPCU space, if we're we.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Have to be at the table as we're having these discus.
So we created the HBCU aicon And to be quite honest,
I thought it would be cool if I had fifty
or sixty people that showed up to Austin and we
would have this little teenc south by Southwest experience and
we would check a box and all would be well. Well,

(38:17):
five hundred people showed up and it was absolutely incredible. So, yes,
we're at the We're doing our best to keep up
with the forefront of technology. But as you know, tech
is changing at the speed of light. And you know,
my belief is that in the next two years this
world would have advanced, you know, technologically thirty years and

(38:41):
we have to be at the forefront of that. So absolutely,
in this master plan it addresses technology efforts, making sure
that what we build is not being built for today,
but it is being built for tomorrow and what that
looks like.

Speaker 12 (38:58):
All right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Last question, uh we've known each other for a number
of years. There are a number of used to be
at Seal University in Shreeport, Sreeport, right, and a lot
of uh so, there were a number of HBCUs we're
trying one ud President and you were like not, you
passed on several Why did you pick Houston, Tillison, uh

(39:20):
and and I'm sure your folks there, your board is
trying to make sure that you stick around. Yeah, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
There are a couple of things that come to mind.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
And I want to say this to all of those
who are parents of students who are in the college
choice process as well as students who are thinking about
going to college. It is you know, it's an entire
it's an entire concept that you must consider. One is
that it's in a metropolitan city. Most of our top universities.

(39:52):
I mean, if you take you know, Baylor, Texas.

Speaker 20 (39:56):
A and m.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh Miss.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
These are in cities where there aren't a lot of
workforce opportunities in the city itself. I mean, if you
go to Ole, miss. Who wants to be in Oxford, Mississippi.
I mean, it's a tough town to have an internship.
It's a tough city to get the experiences that especially
students who are attending an HBCU, it becomes very difficult

(40:22):
to get those experiences outside of the classroom. So I
was really drawn to the metropolitan city, especially Austin. You know,
the things that are happening here, the innovation, the technology
that's happening. I felt that this institution had so much
potential and had been so successful in the past that

(40:46):
I just I felt like that there was a lot
of opportunity to marry the partnerships that are here along
with the institution so that we could truly do something
special and that would be very unique and possibly something
that we had not seen before in higher education.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Right then, Well again, huge congratulations to you and the
Houston Tillison family. And what was it a couple of
years ago? I was there when I spoke on casus.
It was a couple of years ago. So enjoy it there.
And of course I had been to the campus many
times when I worked at the Austin American Statesman just
out of college as well, so Easton Tillis is not

(41:28):
new to me at all. So congrats one hundred and
fifty million, and I look forward to coming back to campus.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
We'll do it again another time when I get the
nexte hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
How about it?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
There?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
You go, all right, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot,
all right, have a good day everybody. All right, folks,
I gotta go to break. We come back. We're going
to talk about Republicans pushing through a resolution in the
House praising the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. Why
did so many Democrats vote for it? Including Democratic Leader

(41:58):
O King Jefferson. Yeah, I got something to say about that.
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Speaker 1 (43:55):
Well, folks, the House passed this resolution praise the life
and legacy of White Supremacy Charlie Kirk. He was gunned
down speaking at a university in Utah. It got our
three hundred and ten votes, But a lot of people
are saying, what the hell was going on? Because you
had fifty eight Democrats voted no, but you had thirty
eight that actually refused to vote as well. You'll see
the vote totals right there. And so again you had

(44:17):
ninety five Democrats vote yes, among them Democratic Leader Hakim Jeffrey.
In addition to Jeffries, you had three other CBC members
who voted for the particular resolution. This, of course as
folks asking some serious questions, why in the hell with

(44:38):
Democrats actually do this? Did it make any sense what soever?
Now I'm going to pull up right now for you
the actual vote. So you see right here, this is
the blue. So this is the total number of people
who a greed on the resolution right here, although are

(45:00):
red or Republicans that you have the blue. So when
you go through here, you see names Pete Aguilar California.
You've got Judy Chu, You've got look at Henry Quailar.
You got Don Davis, CDC member out of North Carolina.
He voted yes for this. You got Debbie Dingle voted
yes as well. You got Stenny Hoyer of Maryland, he

(45:22):
voted yes. You see Democratic Leader Hakim Jeffries voted yes.
Also on this list you see likes of Ted lou
You see congress Congressman Gregory Meeks, another CBC member, he
voted yes. Jared Moskowitz, Gerald Natler, Frank Polone, you've got
Jamie Raskin, he voted yes. Pat Ryan of New York,

(45:45):
he voted yes. David Scott, which he's in a forty
two a plus forty two point democratic district, he voted
yes as well. And then when you look at the
other names here, Congress Washsman Schultz, former head of the DNC,
also voted yes. Now, if we go down here, these

(46:05):
are the Democrats that voted no. And you see a
ton of CBC members down here at the bottom here
of the people who actually these are the group that
voted president. All my Adams of North Carolina voted president.
And then when you go you go across here, Janelle Baynham,
you go right around here. You see Lloyd Dog, You

(46:27):
see Dwight Evans, another CBC member, Lois Franco. See go
right around here, Rocanna, Jennifer McClellan, another CBC member out
of Virginia plus thirty two district. Let's see here. You
see the other names right here. And then we go
over here, these are the folks who did not vote,

(46:47):
you see, for Republicans did not vote. And then you
see Joaquem Castro, Steve Cohen representing black folks there in Memphis.
Robert Garcia, the House Oversight ranking member, not voting, George Latimer,
Joe Nigan, a CBC member out of Colorado, Nancy Pelosi
did not vote. Jays Shakowski Illinois did not vote. Melody Stansbury,

(47:09):
Eric Swallwell, Richie Torres, New York, Mark Vesi of the
CBC member out of Texas, Eugene Benman did not vote
as well. Let me just put it as as clear
as possible. Shameful, Yes, shameful for CBC members. First of all,
it is shameful for all the Democrats who voted for

(47:30):
this resolution, but even more shameful that House Democrat Leader
Hakim Jefferies and Gregory Meeks voted for this. Don Davis,
now he's in a plus three red district, but it
doesn't matter. How about having some conscience, how about having
some integrity when it comes to voting here, This to

(47:53):
me is beyond shameful. It is utterly ridiculous because again
you can vote against. And also David Scott and I
call out mixed and Scott both by Brad Brothers, King
Jeffers he's a kappa.

Speaker 12 (48:09):
I'm gonna call him out.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
It's different if the resolution dealt with the issue of
political violence. The Republicans are treating Charlie Kirk like was
a martyr, and you can't overlook the stuff that Charlie
Kirk actually said, especially by black people. And there were
members who went to the floor who spoke his word
for this vote taking place, including college woman Alexandria O

(48:33):
Kazil Quartetes.

Speaker 23 (48:39):
Today, the Republican House majority brought to the floor a
resolution honoring quote honoring the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's assassination was a horrific and vile attack and
incident of a political violence. And condemning the depravity of

(49:05):
Kirk's brutal murder is a straightforward matter, one that is
especially important to help stabilize an increasingly unsafe and volatile
political environment where everyday people feel more at risk. We
can deeply disagree and come together as a country to

(49:27):
denounce the horror of this killing. And it is not
a license for the abuse of power and whitewashing of
American history. Today's resolution only underscores the majority's recklessness by
choosing to author this condemnation and honoring on a purely

(49:52):
partisan basis, instead of uniting Congress in this tragedy with
one of the many bipartisan options to condemn political violence
and Kirk's murder, as we did with the late Melissa Hortman. Instead,
the Majority proceeded with a resolution that brings great pain

(50:12):
to the millions of Americans who endured segregation, Jim Crow,
and the legacy of bigotry.

Speaker 19 (50:19):
Today.

Speaker 23 (50:21):
We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A
man who believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted
Black Americans the right to vote was a mistake, who,
after the violent attack on Paul Pelosi, claimed that quote
some amazing patriot unquote should bail out his brutal assailant

(50:43):
and accused Jews of controlling quote not just the colleges,
it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
It's all of it, unquote.

Speaker 23 (50:54):
His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to
disenfranchise millions of Americans far from the working quote working
tirelessly to promote unity unquote asserted by the Majority in
this resolution, it is equally important that Congress does unite

(51:17):
to reject the government's attempt to weaponize this moment into
an all out assault on free speech across the country,
all in the name of Charlie Kirk. President Trump and
the FCC are now cynically threatening to shut down ABC
and any outlets who give airtime to the administration's political critics.

(51:39):
This is a disgusting attack on the American people and
the very First Amendment rights that define us as a country.
It is also the ABC Corporation's responsibility to refuse to
embolden and participate in this corruption and escalation of censorship.

(51:59):
We continue to pray for mister Kirk's family and loved
ones in the wake of this terrible act. I am
thinking especially of his children and his wife, whose grief
cannot be measured. And with that I go back to
the gentleman.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Robert you worked for Congressman Jonathan Jackson. To me, this
is a no brainer here voting against this and voting
no on this. It's not like a publicans say, oh,
you don't care about political violence. No, but to vote
for this and how it was written. And I read
the entire resolution yesterday. How old Patriot family man Christian.

(52:38):
They're trying to create a martyr. And I'm sorry, you
cannot ignore the stuff, the venom that came out of
his mouth.

Speaker 10 (52:45):
Oh look, you have to look at how they wrote
the bill. I'm gonna read directly from the bill they say, whereas.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Hey, I read that the whole thing.

Speaker 10 (52:53):
The thing that people need to hear you, whereas a
hand is set to violence to the sober reminder growing
threat of political extremes of hatred US society. Politically motivated
violence is antithetical to the princips of figury public and
the different opinion and debates should not be silenced.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
They wrote it in such a way. I got it
right here.

Speaker 10 (53:09):
You pull it up that they have wrote it in
such a way that they want any Democrat in Xwen
District to have to have to rest on a vote
saying that they were against heinous as of political violence
being a bad thing, and speaker Jeffries is singularly motivated.
He was like a terminator. He is singlely motivated to
make sure he maintains every single seat that he has

(53:30):
in the House, and the pits one of the half
does it in order to make sure the Democrats get
the majority into a twenty twenty sixth election. We cannot
take the risk of being painted as the BLM, anti
crime Antifa party when you're talking about those people in
the submit.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Got it, Here's the problem. Go to MyPad. This chart
here shows you these districts. Okay plus thirty nine plus
seventeen plus thirty one plus thirteen plus thirty five plus
eleven plus twenty four plus twenty six plus sixteen Now
Jim Costas three plus three point eight. Henry Clayard Is

(54:09):
a Republican plus seven point three. Don Davis's plus three
point two. Let's go right here plus fifteen plus thirteen
plus twenty eight plus five plus twenty three. I'm looking
at plus twenty three plus eleven plus Stinny Hoyers plus
thirty three. Jared huffin Is plus forty five. Jeffries Is
plus forty four. Okay, Rick Larson plus twenty three. John

(54:31):
Larson plus twenty two. I'm gonna go up here. Susie
Lee Republican plus point seven. Mike Levin Democrat plus seven
point eight. Sam Lecardo California plus forty eight point five,
Ted lu plus thirty nine. Zoe Loughren plus twenty nine,
Stephen Lynch plus twenty five, Sarah McBride plus fourteen. Now

(54:52):
I'm skipping everybody who's under nine. Okay, but Morgan McGarvey
plus eighteen, James McGovern plus twenty, Cars Grad Remix plus
forty one point eight, Joseph Morel plus eighteen, Kelly Morrison
plus twenty one, Richard Neil plus thirteen, John Ozewski plus eighteen,
Jimmy Panetto plus thirty four, Scott Peters plus twenty nine,

(55:15):
Jamie Raskin plus fifty five point eight, Lous Reebas plus
thirty four, Debra Ross plus thirty three, Bradley Schneider plus
twenty two. David Scott Georgia plus forty two point four.
I guarantee you they're gonna use that against him when

(55:37):
he's running for reelection. Mikey Cheryl, who's running for governor
New Jersey plus point eight seven, Adam Smith plus forty one.
Then I go over here. Hailey Stevens plus sixteen, Laurie
tree Hann plus eighteen, Jan Vargas plus twenty one. Michael,
these folks have no damn excuse.

Speaker 12 (55:59):
Yeah, you know, I looked at the pros and cons
of this I read the article from Reuters with Jamie
Raskin was telling Democrats to avoid the trap, don't fall
into the Republican trap.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Vote for the bill.

Speaker 9 (56:14):
I looked, I'm glad you read the bill yesterday.

Speaker 12 (56:16):
I watched the show yesterday and I read statements from
the Congressional Black Caucus members saying why they could not
vote for this bill. Okay, and I would have to
go with them, you know, if I was. You know,
I'm not an an elected official, never will be. But
if I was, I couldn't vote for this white nationalist

(56:37):
bill that is going it's going to be a national
Day remembrance for Charlie Kirk. And looking at the negative
things he said about black people, especially black women. We
look at the professors watch list he had that also
encouraged his followers to go online and attack African American

(56:59):
professors like the Stacey Patton. Okay, so, but this is now,
even though we're calling out the Democrats who voted for
this things like this, we have to remember all two
one hundred and fifteen Republicans voted for this. So we
have so we have to pay them back at the
ballot box. Yes, we can hold the Democrats accountable who

(57:20):
voted for it. But oftentimes what happens, and I'm not
saying you're doing this rolling, but oftentimes what happens. Republicans
vote for bills that harm us and they pay no price.
So we have to make sure that they pay a
price at the ballot box when we vote them.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
But here's the thing right here to that particular point, Matt,
go to my iPad. When Collins and Jamal Bowman put
forth the resolution to condemn white supremacy after ten black
people were gunned down in a Buffalo grocery store, guess
what this article says. Every Republican in the House voted
against the measure, including those Republicans who are in swing districts.

(57:59):
The point I make here, Matt, this is where you
have to have a conscience and some guts and say,
I'm sorry if y'all don't want to re elect me,
that's fine, but I'm not voting for some bullshit.

Speaker 9 (58:12):
I agree with you completely.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
I agree with you completely, and I agree with Michael's
sentiment on it, and I get the strategic question of
avoiding the trap and being concerned about how things will
be painted. But you know, if you want to look
at the language of that resolution. Further, that language of
the resolution completely sanitizes what Charlie Kirk really did.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It actually says nothing nothing, it's it's oh, look at
this shit, look no, this hit right here. He would
a dedicated husband to his beloved wife, Erica Kirk, loving
father to the daughter. That's all fine, exemplifind the virtues
of faith, fidelity in fatherhood. Okay, it's fine. A fierce
defender of the American founding and his timeless principle of life, libertally,

(58:52):
limited government and individual responsibility. Oh how or how he
got this group and they proposed this here, but this
right here, I'm sorry. He became one of the most
prominent voices in America, gaging respectful civil discourse across college campuses,
media platforms, and national forms, always thinking to elevate truth,
foster understanding, and truth in the public. How about when
he LOSTO live but go ahead.

Speaker 11 (59:14):
But that's that's the exact paragraph, or one of the
paragraphs I was thinking of. I mean, you know, sanitizing
this to say respectful civil discourse when you're saying things
like a Supreme Court justice doesn't have.

Speaker 9 (59:27):
The requisite cognitive power.

Speaker 11 (59:28):
Black women don't have the requisite, you know, brain power
to be in certain positions that is not per se
respectful discourse. What I think they have done is a
good job of conflating the way somebody said something, or
the tone that he used, or the perceived calmness with
quote respect. He was not a respectful person. The discourse
was abhorrent, and that if it were coming out of

(59:51):
a black person's mouth and it were trained at white people,
they would call him every manner of racist and hateful
and whatever.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
But because his ideology dovetails with.

Speaker 11 (01:00:00):
The party in power and the party that is trying
to leverage this tragic killing, they are going to, you know,
make it sound lionize him. Basically, they're lionizing him. And
I think the problem with this is this is one ceremonial,
Two it's not truly substantive. And three, when you look
at the language, it is legitimizing people who use this
kind of language and this kind of vitriol.

Speaker 9 (01:00:21):
By making them martyrs. And that's the problem.

Speaker 11 (01:00:23):
I think there's a difference between saying we've got a
First Amendment right free speech, all of those things. I
could not agree more forcefully, But I think we also
have to be able to say if you are saying
abhorrent things about people in society, you may have a
freedom of speech, but you don't have a freedom of consequence.
And one of those consequences is we may say that
you are a hateful, vitriolic person. These things logically follow,

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and I think when you vote for a resolution like this,
you are legitimizing the respectful discourse of a person who
says abhorrent, disrespectful, mongrelizing things about large groups of people,
and who feeds into things like the Great Replacement theory
that is per se not respectful. And I think when
you vote for something like this, you're legitimizing it in
a way you absolutely should not be willing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
And here's what Republicans are doing. Go to my iPad.
New bill fouled in Oklahoma that says, every public university,
I need y'all to listen to me. Every public university
in the state must have a Charlie Kirk memorial plaza
with a statue of Kirk and his family. It gets worse.

(01:01:30):
The Oklahoma proposed the bill to supoke universities promptly bill
these Charlie Kirk memorial plazas saying he was quote a
voice of a generation, modern civil rights leader, vocal Christian
martyr for truth and faith and free speech advocate, or
be fined, I said everyone that means Langston University, Robert.

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We required to have a Charlie Kirk plaza. And the
Democrats who voted for this, now give them covered by saying, well,
wait a minute, your House Democratic leader, he your former
whip Stinney Hoyer. They've voted for this resolution praising the
life and work of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
We have to look at the bigger picture on this.
We have to remember that we're going to be in
a tooth and nail fight next year trying to take
met the House of Representatives. And even if your district
is safe, you have to look at the six of
your brother and to figure out whether or not this
will be painted in such a way that makes it
look like Democrats are in favor of political violence, where
we know good and well that these these issues are
being are taking place across the board. We have to

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deal with gun violence, we have to deal with the
mental health crisis. But when we take these ceremonial votes
and make this the hill that we are going to
die on. We risk the real substem issues such as
medicare snow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Now the Democrats. What Democrats risk by not taking a
stands for their own people, not voting the biggest, the
most fundamental problem they have right now, it's all in
the polling. People don't believe that they're fighters, They don't
believe that they stand for anything. The reality is the

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House Freedom Caucus will shut that whole shit down to
stand on principle. And the problem is Democrats made the calculations.
Listen all we heard from Chuck Schumer. Oh no, oh no,
We can't change the rules when it comes to nominations,
because if we change the rules and the Republicans get power,
they're gonna do the same thing. You know, Democrats didn't do.

(01:03:30):
They didn't change the rules. New Republicans just did last week.
They changed the goddamn rules. Say they just vote the
other day on forty eight Trump nominees. So the Republicans
don't give a shit about norms, that all they care
about is power. And I'm simply saying is win. Are
Democrats gonna show some fucking guts? And this vote was gutless,
and it was gutless for High King Jeffries to vote

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for it and to whip his members to vote for it. Now,
if what you just said, if Jeffries said, hey, here's
a deal. Anybody who's in a district that's ten points
or less blue and is red, guess what, y'all go
ahead and vote for it. But the rest of y'all,

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we ain't voting for this shit. Dangn what he did.

Speaker 10 (01:04:16):
You have to look at what we're trying to do,
and we risk this And what happened to twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four. They were able to paint Democrats
as being the anti police, defund the police, all these issues,
and it lost in the suburbs, is lost in the margins,
is lost in those areas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
No nost They lost Robert with some sorry ass candidates
because there were other people who were in the same
suburban districts who also won, who were better at candidates. Okay,
your Cortes made that particular point, Matt. The problem again,
the problem they have is they're gonna need their base
coming out part in the election. And if you doing

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stuff and you ain't, and you telling your Bezia it's
on the blase, who the hell go sway.

Speaker 11 (01:05:00):
For you, and I actually agree with you one thousand
percent role and I don't detract from that point at
all because I think here the Democrats should have chosen,
those who voted should have chosen the stronger path.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
I get Robert's concern.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
I understand it conceptually from a strategic standpoint, but I
think the problem is this Number one. It's not like
you're going to curry favor with the people who aren't
going to vote Democrat anyway by voting for this resolution
Number one. Number two, it's a ceremonial resolution. It's not substantive.
You're not talking about funding anything. You're talking about lionizing
a person who said abhorrent things, and who is being

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lionized for saying abhorrent things because it's quote, as you know,
indicative of the freedom of speech. I don't think they
had to do that. I think they could have issued
a resolution or issued a statement separately that says we
condemn political violence.

Speaker 9 (01:05:47):
But not also voted for this resolution. And I understand
that the wording made people concerned. I understand I'm not
in a political office, so you know, I get how
you can have those.

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
Concerns strategically, but I think this was a perfect time
to show the exact kind of fight that particularly young.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
People I feel like across the nation are saying that
Democrats don't have.

Speaker 11 (01:06:07):
When the Democrats have an opportunity to show that they
have a backbone, they do this. They vote for this resolution,
which doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, it's legitimized,
in my opinion, horrible rhetoric under the guise of being
respectful discourse.

Speaker 9 (01:06:22):
And I think there's another.

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
Path, which is you issue a statement that says we
soundly condemn political violence, and then you don't vote for this,
or you vote against this, and then I think you
accomplish both goals. And even if you get painted as
being whatever socialist you know, far right are far left
voting for political violence, then you have a statement against that.

Speaker 9 (01:06:42):
But it's not like they're going to show you love anyway.
Voting for this resolution.

Speaker 11 (01:06:45):
I don't think that you needed to do this, and
I think it showed a lack of backbone, to be frank,
and here's the whole deal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Michael Carson Mark VESI actually had an alternative resolution that
specifically spoke to political violence and left all the rest
of that crap and if you were a Democrat and
this is what you're saying, I would have voted for this.
This is what my colleague put forth. It has every
single thing in there. We'll talk about political violence, but
it did not have all the rest of that craft.

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That's how I would respond to somebody will say, how
dare you vote against this resolution? With Charlie Kirk, I
would have said, I would have voted for this one.

Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
Republicans would let it happen absolutely a few things. So
I totally understand the bigger picture that Robert is focused on. Okay,
I totally understand that. But at the very same time,
January sixth, a lot of the people who voted Republicans
who voted for this resolution voted not to convict Trump

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in the House when they had the impeachment Okay, number one.
For January sixth, Number two, a lot of them supported
the January sixth insurrectionists.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
That was political violence.

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
So you came, on the one hand in this resolution
denounced political violence when you supported it with the January
sixth insurrection, and you supported Trump giving a pardon to
fifteen hundred of the insurrectionists.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
This is a bullshit.

Speaker 9 (01:08:07):
This is a bullshit resolution.

Speaker 12 (01:08:09):
Okay, so Democrats in ninety five Democrats voted for this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
I posted about this on my Facebook fan pages and
a lot of black people were saying, you know, all
of the cbcs should have voted no on this, and
they were given hell to the Democrats who voted against
who voted for this resolution. And this once again contributes
to the narrative that Democrats, many of them are week
and don't fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Okay, so.

Speaker 12 (01:08:36):
They all of them should have voted no on this
and then say, hey, Mark VCE's resolution will go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
You know, this is what we wanted and you can't
and they need to hang around the neck of Republicans.

Speaker 12 (01:08:49):
You can, on the one hand, say that you are
against political violence, but you supported January sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
And what has to happen now, what has to happen
right now is Jeffries every damn time there's a school
shooting resolution, every time, and forced Republicans to say no,
forced him and say I'm not gonna bring it to
the floor. But voting for this bullshit. It's trash, That's

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what it is. I'm going to a break, I come back.
I gotta deal with this full. It's a lot y'all.
Nacy Mace showed high ass talking to Mary Muriel Bowser.
This week we're gonna show that I gotta show y'all
we can talk about Ezra Klein and being Shapiro. And
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Speaker 17 (01:10:33):
Hey, yo, what's up?

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(01:10:58):
Nancy Mais of South Carolina. And man was she rude,
disrespectful and gross when she was talking with Mira Bowser.
Watch this.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
Chair recognizes Miss Mace from South Carolina.

Speaker 24 (01:11:12):
Thank you, mister chairman, and good morning. The government of
the District of Columbia, under the leadership sitting in front
of us today, has become a poster child for DEI
and gender madness.

Speaker 25 (01:11:22):
This has led to government. Mister chairman, this is not
a concert. This audience can just stopclaiming.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Off the clock in the genial ladies ride. Under the
rules of the House, the Chairman's responsible for maintaining order
preserving decorum in the committee room. I expect audience members
to be respectful of the committee.

Speaker 25 (01:11:39):
So uh well, I'd like to reclaim my time too.

Speaker 8 (01:11:43):
Reclaimman. Absolutely, this has.

Speaker 24 (01:11:45):
Led to government sanctioned racial discrimination and the erasure of women.
Article one, Section eight, clause seventeen provides Congress plenary authority
over the District of Columbia. Using this authority, today, I'll
be interesting introducing the No and DC Act. This bill
will rip the DEI and gender bender nonsense out of

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the DC government route and branch and restore common sense
and equal treatment under the law. As the individuals charge
with writing DC laws, signing DC laws, and enforcing DC's laws.

Speaker 25 (01:12:18):
We have some questions for you on the meanings of
some of the curious.

Speaker 24 (01:12:21):
Terms we have found in the DC Code. My first
question for Mayor Bowsers, Yes or no? The DC Code
makes numerous references to quote structural or institutional racism. Do
you believe the DC government is structurally or institutionally racist?

Speaker 25 (01:12:39):
Yes or no?

Speaker 13 (01:12:42):
Yes or no?

Speaker 24 (01:12:44):
Is DC government racist institutionally racist?

Speaker 25 (01:12:47):
Yes or no? All right, you can't answer the question,
So my next question.

Speaker 24 (01:12:51):
For Mayor Bowser, since you're gonna sit there and play
cad or just be quiet. In section sevensh one two
three four dot zero two of DC Coqs Code, you
use the phrase child welfare involved birthing people, child welfare
involved birthing people.

Speaker 25 (01:13:08):
Can you explain to me what this means?

Speaker 19 (01:13:12):
I'm not that familiar with that part, is okay?

Speaker 25 (01:13:14):
And so you don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:13:15):
In section sevenash one two three four dosh zero two
of DC Code, use the phrase justice involved incarcerated and
homeless birthing people and their non birthing partners.

Speaker 25 (01:13:26):
Can you explain to this committee what that means?

Speaker 19 (01:13:30):
I again, I would have to say, you don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:13:31):
You're literally the mayor of DC and you don't know
your own.

Speaker 13 (01:13:34):
Code of laws.

Speaker 19 (01:13:35):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:13:35):
One thing we notice the DC Code struggles to define
is the term woman.

Speaker 25 (01:13:39):
So, Mayor Bowser, what is a woman?

Speaker 19 (01:13:41):
I'm a woman? Are you a woman?

Speaker 25 (01:13:43):
One hundred percent? One hundred percent?

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
I'm a woman?

Speaker 19 (01:13:46):
You're looking at one?

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Good?

Speaker 25 (01:13:49):
You actually uh?

Speaker 24 (01:13:50):
In section three dash seven zero three of the DC Code,
you use the phrase the intersectionality of gender and race
to create unique dynamics and effects.

Speaker 25 (01:14:00):
Can you explain what this means to the committee?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Where is that man?

Speaker 25 (01:14:03):
Section three to seven oh three of the DC Code.
Do you know what that means? No, you don't know
what the idolsode.

Speaker 24 (01:14:09):
Chapter fourteen D of the DC Code established the commission.

Speaker 19 (01:14:12):
I'm happy to answer questions, mister chairman.

Speaker 25 (01:14:15):
I'm gonna reclaim my time. This is not her time.
It's my time.

Speaker 24 (01:14:18):
You can be quiet as I asked you questions, and
then you can answer them, and then you can answer them.

Speaker 25 (01:14:24):
I'm not mister chairman. This is my time, not hers.
I'd like to reclaim my time.

Speaker 19 (01:14:29):
Let's make good use of the time.

Speaker 9 (01:14:31):
I'm making very good.

Speaker 25 (01:14:33):
You're making my point. You're the mayor of d C
and you don't even know your own code of laws.
What is a birthing person?

Speaker 19 (01:14:40):
I would assume mis someone who gives birth?

Speaker 25 (01:14:42):
All right, why don't you use these women? Are these moms?
You think it's appropriate to call them birthing person? Can
a man birth a person?

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
Well, I will call it, but I don't write all
the laws, and I'm not familiar with everything.

Speaker 25 (01:14:56):
Men get pregnant, No, men become women?

Speaker 19 (01:15:03):
Can man become a woman?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:15:04):
Can a man become a woman, missus?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Yes or no?

Speaker 25 (01:15:07):
Can a man become a woman? Yes or no?

Speaker 19 (01:15:10):
Miss Mace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I'm okay.

Speaker 25 (01:15:11):
My next question.

Speaker 24 (01:15:12):
Chapter fourteen D of the DC Code establishes the Commission
on Reparations and a Reparation's Fund to provide eligible African
Americans monetary reparations.

Speaker 25 (01:15:23):
Or other forms of redress.

Speaker 24 (01:15:25):
Is it the position of DC government benefits should be
provided to individuals on the basis of race?

Speaker 19 (01:15:32):
I believe that the legislation requires a study.

Speaker 25 (01:15:37):
Okay, I'm asking you.

Speaker 24 (01:15:38):
Is it the position of the DC government that government
benefits should be provided on the basis of race?

Speaker 19 (01:15:46):
You're referring to that legislation. I believe it requires a study.

Speaker 24 (01:15:50):
Okay, I'm asking you a question. Do you believe that
government benefits should be given out on.

Speaker 25 (01:15:55):
The basis of race? That is the question. This is
the third time I'm asked.

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
We have any number of benefits, programs and eligibility Establisher
not answering.

Speaker 25 (01:16:07):
Any of these questions. I'll give it to you your slick.

Speaker 24 (01:16:11):
In Section two, Dash one three eight three of the
DC Code, use the phrase social value of the LGBTQ
community business economy to the district.

Speaker 25 (01:16:21):
Can you explain what this means to the committee?

Speaker 19 (01:16:23):
It means that lgbt businesses provide economic benefit to the
district's economy.

Speaker 24 (01:16:30):
Do you think all businesses provide economic benefit to the
DC economy.

Speaker 19 (01:16:34):
If they should, or they would be out of business.

Speaker 25 (01:16:36):
Yeah, of course, all right, thank you, mister chairman.

Speaker 17 (01:16:39):
I ailed back, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Jeroch got helfa make my ass itch. I cannot stand
you know, you know, you get asks running for governor
of South Carolina. Governor of South Carolina. Oh, I can't
stay in host trifling ass. Go ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:16:59):
Look, that's exactly the point. She's running for governor of
South Carolina. Those are her local politics. I remind people
there are only three million transgender people in the entire country.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
They are one percent of the population.

Speaker 10 (01:17:11):
The way conservatives talk about it, you think there's one
hopping out of every corner and then every phone booth,
that there's an obsession with it, because that plays well.
They're Christian conservative gates. And what she was fishing for
was to get a clip of Mayor Bowser saying something
that she could run her a campaign for governor and
they could go viral on Newsmax and the four Chen
in those places.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
You gotta play the game. And here's the game. If
I'm Mayor Bowser, this is me for five minutes of
nasty mace. I ain't saying damn thing, matt, I ain't

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giving her nothing. I ain't her or I ain't giving
her nothing, or listen, oh I'm a roll up like cashptail.
I ain't give it. I asked nothing, nothing nahda.

Speaker 11 (01:18:18):
So I have two immediate thoughts about this, the first
being that it's interesting that she started out talking about DEI.
My understanding from little research that I've done is that
she was the first woman ever to graduate from the
Core of Cadets at the Citadel. But what she doesn't
have on her house website is the fact that her
father was literally running the Citadel at the time she

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graduated from the school. Why is that important? Because if
she were a black woman, they would be talking about nepotism,
how she didn't earn it, how her magniculm lotty wasn't
ever earned, because her father was actually the person who
was running the Citadel when she graduated.

Speaker 9 (01:18:50):
But she didn't talk about that. She just talks about Dei.

Speaker 11 (01:18:53):
Because the second point that I have to make is
that I think we're in a part of society right now,
our time in society where our politicians are way too
much about pageantry. This is about pageantry and This is
obviously about vitriol. Nancy Mace is running for governor. She
wants to sound bites. But that's all it's about. And
if I'm you, I'm doing exactly what you say Mariel
Bowser should have done, especially because she wasn't asking questions

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to get answers. This is like when I'm at a
cross examination and I want to beat up on somebody
and I want to make a jury think that I'm
in control and that they're whatever I want them to
look like.

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
This is not about getting actual answers to the questions.

Speaker 11 (01:19:27):
And I think part of that is because we as
a populace have gotten used to the political pageantry where it's.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
About sound bites and it's not about substance. Here's the
other thing. The mayor doesn't write the laws.

Speaker 11 (01:19:38):
I mean, now, I don't know exactly how DC's you know,
mayoral council power structure is set up, but in a
lot of places, right the city council is the legislative body.
Of course, they're the ones who ratify the laws, and
the mayor is, depending on where you are, either the
chief executive or really the main point of that city council.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
To think that that person is.

Speaker 11 (01:19:58):
Going to know every law and the books in their
area is just really an absurd idea, especially when you're
cherry picking and picking out little parts of things without
greater context. And this is all about patenttry it's not
about any substance. And we see Nancy Mace is apparently
trying to make her name because that's what she's doing,
running rough shot and anytimes she gets an opportunity. And
I don't think that Mayor Bowser should have countenanced any

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or rather accepted any of that, or you know, been
involved in any way, because it's all a BS.

Speaker 9 (01:20:22):
It's not about getting real answers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Now. That was another back and forth on the Capitol Hill,
this time with Congress Wan where she was to leave,
and it also involved a member of the help congressome
Byron Donald's.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
Thank you chair recognized it's mss T Lee from Michigan.

Speaker 21 (01:20:40):
Thank you so much, mister chairman. You know, I think
it's really important. I mean, we're talking about you know,
seven hundred thousand people that live here, and I feel
like their voice gets completely just dismissed. And so if
I may, mister chair ask, you know, and his consent
to enter the record. The Washington Post poll of DC
residents found eight ten out of eight and ten of

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post Trump's taking over of their local police and sending.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
In federal troops with that objection toward her.

Speaker 21 (01:21:11):
You know, I think it's also really important to understand
like the incredible kind of slanderous defamation. I don't know
what to call it. They're just bearing watching DC. You
just heard them speak about our nation's capital in that way,
in a way that I feel very much like, that's
not what I see. I see people walking around with

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their families, people enjoying regards to it. But I think
it's important, mister chart Just like in DC, home rule
was one out of black freedom struggle in the fight
for civil rights. We can't be passive right now, So
dobody over there should take anything we say sis, you know,
like so personally as if we're attacking them.

Speaker 25 (01:21:54):
No, we're attacking a process.

Speaker 21 (01:21:56):
Not attacking people here. And I think it's really important
we need to stand up against this fascist takeover. That's
not a bad word, it's a fact. And here in
d C and across the country, it is so incredibly important,
mister Chair, that this committee does not allow rhetoric that
the fames or paints Washington Z in a way that

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you all haven't really truly seen.

Speaker 25 (01:22:22):
You're just reading it.

Speaker 21 (01:22:23):
No, you're just reading it or something off of some Well,
the generlator yields to a question, Yeah, I think it's
really important.

Speaker 17 (01:22:29):
Well, the general lady, I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:22:30):
Ye know, I don't even have time.

Speaker 17 (01:22:31):
I can tell you it's inspirement, mister chair.

Speaker 21 (01:22:35):
But you all live here and you're not telling people
the beautiful parts that you do see in the nation's capital.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
And no, no, no, it's just wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:22:44):
Chairman.

Speaker 17 (01:22:44):
I think it's insane. Have an argument, but she's going
to refer to me. We were from the Third Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
This is insane.

Speaker 19 (01:22:52):
It's insane.

Speaker 17 (01:22:53):
It's insane. It's insane a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Member of the Third Right.

Speaker 17 (01:22:57):
To you, mister Lee, please that what.

Speaker 26 (01:22:59):
I look like to you?

Speaker 19 (01:23:01):
That is that?

Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
What you think?

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (01:23:03):
What you think?

Speaker 19 (01:23:04):
Is that?

Speaker 13 (01:23:04):
What you think?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I think it's radical, and I think it's insane, and
I don't respect everything that you're saying. But to say
something like that to myself a lot of my colleagues
is way out of line.

Speaker 13 (01:23:13):
It's way out of line, it's way out of regular orders.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Way out of line. It's okay, but it's okay right,
it's okay right.

Speaker 25 (01:23:21):
You hold yourself accountable before you talk.

Speaker 17 (01:23:23):
About one of my self accountable.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Hold your old self accountable. How about that, hold your own.

Speaker 25 (01:23:30):
Pree DC and make sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Got a little heeded there. Got a little heeded there
between Rashida and Maga, the help Biray Donalds again. And
here's the whole deal. I know folk, I know people say, oh, man,
you know she went there. Guess what well she runs
in the primary. She wallops the folk who run against her.

(01:23:59):
So all I'm saying is there are people out there
who do want to see Democrats bring wood, who want
to take it to him. That's what they want to do.
So I'm just saying, if y'all want folk to turn
out in huge numbers, you're gonna have to sit here
and learn to jack some folk up. Now, speaking of

(01:24:22):
jackets and folk up, Ben Shapiro, right wing ideologue, is
running around some new book. I don't give a shit
about it, so therefore I ain't know the name of
it because I really don't care. So he sat down
with Steven A. Smith. He's gone on the breakfast club.
He's I think he was on the view and they

(01:24:44):
know better. They knew, but they ain't send us the
book because I would never book his ass. So he
decides to go sit with Ezra Kline with the New
York Times. And this is what I call one of
those genteel NPR type conversation, and it's about an hour.
It's an hour plus conversation. But somebody had posted about

(01:25:07):
a couple of minutes of the interview, and I was
so pissed off. I said, well, let me go back
to this section. So it's about a ten minute section.
I pool that I just had to play because if
y'all want to see gas lighting and some absolute line
take place, watch this.

Speaker 27 (01:25:27):
I think I'm pushing you a little bit into something
more fundamental here, I think, which is now, this is
where it becomes the fight over Western civilization, because I
would say, during this period you have, when you're talking
about Barack Obama with his sort of you know, micro
targeted polling or whatever it is, it's like you have
the berther smear emergent, and I think in a very
potent way. So right, Obama creates reaction as well just

(01:25:49):
by nature of who he is.

Speaker 28 (01:25:52):
Is easy is that I mean for people who don't,
you know, kind of live on the right and buy
from the media of the right. During this time, the
understanding on the right was that Barack Obama was a
much more divisive figure than the left and the traditional
media like to say that he was, and they saw
him as a fundamental transformative change agents who did not
see the American experiments in a positive light. And they

(01:26:13):
felt the right and I sort of agree with this,
that he was dissimulating, that he was dissembling that when
he was saying that all the sort of positive, sunny,
optimistic vision of America, that what he actually met was
the Cairo speech where America was sort of a center
in the Middle East, and that his view of American
history was much more along the lines of what he
said about Henry Louis Gates or Trayvon Martin than it

(01:26:36):
was along the lines of there's no white American and
black America.

Speaker 13 (01:26:39):
There's just Americans.

Speaker 28 (01:26:40):
And so the reaction of the right was, Okay, this
is an interest group based politics that does not particularly
like the founding.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
And so basically what being Shapiro was saying is President
Barack Obama, unlike all the white men who came before
him did not tell his story. They did not tell
the Hiss story. Obama didn't fall for the Hiss story.
Obama actually talked about the history of the country. And

(01:27:09):
so when Shapiro says the right this sonny view, what
he's really saying is, oh, see, the white men before Obama,
they left all the bad shit out. So they bring
up Savery. They ain't bring up Jim Crow, they didn't
bring up systemic racism, they didn't bring up red lining.
But this negro comes along, and why he got to

(01:27:32):
keep bringing that stuff up. That's really what Shapiro saying.
And white conservatives they don't like that. They don't like
Paul Harvey, who was rush Limbow back in this day.
If you want to be honest, he's to always say.
And now the rest of the story. They don't like
the rest of the story. They liked that fake lion

(01:27:52):
ass story. And so here Shapiro said, yeah, we couldn't
stay in the fact, and this black guy would actually
stand up and acknowledge the racist shit we did as
a country, including the crap that we did in the
Middle East. See, y'all gotta understand every time we talk
about Iran. These white folks always go to nineteen seventy nine,

(01:28:13):
they overthrew our embassy, but they never want to talk
about nineteen fifty three when we on behalf of Anglo
Iranian oil now known as VP, literally overthrew a democratic
elected government and most of the day was a leader
because it was over oil. The Iranians used to love
the United States, but after the overthrowing fifty three they

(01:28:34):
hated United States. And we can go country after country
after country, but see again, Shapiro, these white people don't
want somebody talking about that. That's why they couldn't stand
Obama press play.

Speaker 13 (01:28:50):
They're going to react to that with trump Ism.

Speaker 27 (01:28:54):
So if you understand Obama and Biden more from the left,
what are the moments in those residencies that to people
on the right are radicalizing. Right, that's sort of different
from how differently you see them from maybe how.

Speaker 13 (01:29:06):
I do well.

Speaker 28 (01:29:07):
I think that for President Obama, I think the left
perceives the obamacaret moment is the moment that the right
sort of radicalized, and I don't think that that's actually right.
I think the bitter Clinger's comments were a big one
that was in the two thousand and eight election.

Speaker 13 (01:29:20):
I think the Henry Lewis Gates statements.

Speaker 12 (01:29:23):
Recently, Professor Henry Lewis Skates Junior was arrested at his
home in Cambridge.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
What does that incident say to you?

Speaker 25 (01:29:29):
And what does it say about race relations in America?

Speaker 28 (01:29:32):
In which he suggested that the officer had acted stupidly
and then sort of linked that with racial discrimination.

Speaker 17 (01:29:38):
In the past.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
He just lied, And they're going to play the video
and ask recline, does it stop him from lying? Press play?

Speaker 26 (01:29:55):
I think it's fair to say, number one, any of
us would be pretty angry. Number two, that the Cambridge
police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already
proof that they were in their own home. And number three,
what I think we know, separate and apart from this

(01:30:17):
incident is that there is a long history in this
country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law
enforcement disproportionately.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
And that's just a fact.

Speaker 13 (01:30:31):
The Traison Martin situation was quite.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Polar, Okay, So I called this out in real time
when I was on CNN, and the places and white
people didn't want to confront this. So let me tell
you what they did, Sean Hannity, the conservative people, Obama
calls the cop stupid. No, he didn't. I remember being

(01:30:55):
on CNN saying, no, complete the sentence. They see. This
is where Ezra Cleine pisses me off because see he
doesn't stop Shapiro, He allows Shapiro to go with the
lie and it goes uncorrected. Shapiro says it was you know,
it was the issue with Obama said the cops acted stupidly.

(01:31:18):
Then they played the clip. What does the clip say?
Obama says, the cops acted stupidly. Pause in arresting Gates
after it was determined it was his house. Obama never
called the cops stupid. He said it was stupid. Well,
you to arrest the man after it was determined it
was his house. But that's conservative media didn't do that.

(01:31:40):
I remember this like was yesterday. Hannedy was foaming at
the mouth, and Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and Meghan
Kelly and all of them were just going at the mouth,
and you know what happened. Didn't give us some inside stuff. Okay,
so after this news conference, oh, the white boys around
Obama were like, oh, we're gonna walk this back. You
gotta walk this back. And so then that was a meeting.

(01:32:02):
Now let me help y'all out. There are two staff
meetings at the White House. There's the seven am meeting
and there's the eight am meeting. Now, the seven am
meeting is the real meeting. Okay, okay, that's where the
principal's principles are. So what happened was the white boys
in the seven o'clock were like, Yo, we gotta walk
this back. So when he got to the eight o'clock meeting,

(01:32:22):
the black people were like, no, hey or not, we
ain't walking shit back. It was a serious argument. I'm
telling y'all what I know. Okay, So it's the argument
back and forth. And the black folks were like, Yo,
there are big tires and I walked out of this
White House and I couldn't get a cab. So the
white boys, yeah, Emanuel Actual riding the others. They go
into the Oval office and tell Obama, hey, we got

(01:32:43):
to see it here and we gotta walk this back.
He was like, man, we ain't walk He said, no,
we're not get on my office. Yep, don't get the office.
So then the white boys are gathering around, man, we
gotta figure out. So they start calling certain reporters saying, yeah,
if Obama could, if he wished, he could take that back.
So I remember sitting on sitting on the set, and
then one of the reporters the CNN said it. I'm like,

(01:33:03):
that's not true. I said, I don't want to walk
that back. Well, Roland, you know my sources. I was like, well,
I got sources too. See, I knew what the real
deal was. So they put that out. That thing conservative media,
white conservative media for a whole week. Was for a
whole week, and the only reason there was a beer

(01:33:24):
summit because Obama was like, Yo, we need to look,
we gotta shut this shit down. So let me invite
the white cop and Skip Gates to this bullshit have
a beer in the Rose Garden so everybody can shut
the hell up. That's what it was all about. But
it was white people like Ben Shapiro who lied, who
took half of what Obama said and ran with him.

(01:33:45):
I said, Obama calls the cops stupid. Y'all can google
it right now. You go see all these stories when
he was very specific, and then when he said no,
they acted stupidly in arresting Gates after it was determined
it was his house, and then they got mad, how
dare he bring up systemic racism? How dare he bring

(01:34:07):
up black people who get stopped? What's wrong with him?
And then he said, even I got stopped. Oh, the
white folks couldn't handle that, because see now they're mad
that you actually got a person who's black, who's in
the Oval Office, who's the President of the United States,
who's telling you even what I endured. And the white
folks couldn't stand that because you know what they like.

(01:34:27):
They like the nice, neatly pressed negroes, quiet press play,
I think for sure.

Speaker 26 (01:34:35):
But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin.
You know, if I had a sun he looked like Trayvon.

Speaker 28 (01:34:45):
The forrestant ryants, those I think would be sort of
the biggest examples of.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Hmm. The right was so upset, how dare they? How
dare Obama say what actually took the place? Telling me also,
give y'all some more insight on what actually happened right there. See,
the White House was really trying to ignore this story.
First of nationally, he was trying to know this story.
And I remember uh being people hit me on social

(01:35:13):
media about Treba Watt, Treva Wte, Trivia Martin, and I
kept seeing on my timeline and I was flying to
I was flying to California to speak to the one
hundred black men of Orange County. And then that's when
I was then talking to other people and I really
got the gist of the story. And so all of
a sudden, I was talking to brother Dotson, who was

(01:35:34):
who was the president, saying, Hey, we gotta gotta focus
on this. And so then we from that point on
was really focusing on it. So me and others were
driving us on social media. Naturally was ignoring it seeing
they wasn't trying to cover it. All of a sudden,
the story bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, blooding, bubbing, bubbling, bubbling. Then
all of a sudden it begins to blow up. Now
it was a Friday. It was a Friday, and I

(01:35:54):
remember doing that. That's when all these preachers going to
be doing hoodies up on this in pulpits on Sunday.
But then the segment on tom Joining the Morning Show
of discussing this, and I remember calling Valerie Jared and
I was like, yo, y'all about to get left behind
on this story. I said, because this is gonna blow
up this weekend. There are vigils being planned, the hoodie
up stuff. And she was like, well, you know, bamas,

(01:36:15):
we didn't want to get involved because fell investigation. I'm no, no,
he gonna have to say something. And she was like,
you think. I said, I'm telling you, y'all about to
have a problem on y'all hands if y'all don't say nothing.
So what then happens is all of a sudden, get
me called back. Hey, watch the news conference. He's gonna
get the question. Boom, he gets the question. Now we
all know happens all the time, y'all happens all the time. Okay,

(01:36:38):
so the Democrat Republican bomb line is you know, media
asked questions. He got the question, and y'all understand he
was another announcement. He was about to walk away. The
question came and he came back and asked the question. Okay,
but that's what pissed the white folk. Saw pissed the
white folks off? How dare he said? It could be
trade Bartin? Well, shit, let's see he black, Michelle black.
So yeah, but see the shapiers of the world and

(01:37:00):
we're gonna play it for you, because see, in their mind,
how dare you say that? Because see they don't. They
never want to acknowledge that Treyvon Martin was literally minding
his own damn business, was on the phone with this
girl to after going to the store on our NBA
All Star Sunday, minding his own business when this white
Latino a zererman decides to accost him. Because see, y'all

(01:37:22):
got understand white people like Ben Shapiro, they actually believe
that they have the right to walk up to Matt,
to Michael, to Robert or me, and we got to
be like with some negroes in South Africa, show me
your papers. Okay, okay, okay, boss, here our papers. That's
how they operate, and so that's better Trayvon Martin. So
white people, white conservatives were angry. How dare he breathe

(01:37:43):
these things up? How dare we talk about these things?
Because see, they actually believe that they have the right
to ask of any black person, who are you and
what are you doing here? That's why we got all
these carns running around, Oh do you live here? Show
me your address? We played the videos where they sit
here and say yes, show me you added prove to
me you live here? Will you prove to me you

(01:38:05):
live here? So these white so what Shapiro is really
saying and he don't want to say it, and Ezra
clin weak ass now pressing him like wait a minute,
hold up. So y'all really were pissed off. It pissed
off at Obama because y'all couldn't stay in the fact
that he actually stood up for righteousness when black folks
are being negatively impacted. Huh, press play.

Speaker 13 (01:38:29):
Uncle Obama is kind of setting off the right, so
to speak.

Speaker 27 (01:38:31):
It's interesting you choose as I mean, those are mostly
first rhetorical examples. It's like take the better clingers comment
because I actually think about this one a lot where
he gets caught on this.

Speaker 17 (01:38:41):
He's on tape.

Speaker 26 (01:38:57):
Administration success renistration has that somehow these commandments are going
to regenerate and they have not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Surviving them, that they get better and the.

Speaker 12 (01:39:11):
Guns or religion or.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Anti that they told people who.

Speaker 9 (01:39:16):
Aren't like that, right anti or you know, anti.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
And.

Speaker 27 (01:39:26):
They're frustrations to me if you compare that to things
that get said, even say to Hillary Clinton's Deplorable's comment, Right,
he basically says, look, you have people in towns that
these towns have lost everything. They've lost their jobs, they've
lost the plants that employed everybody that they have been

(01:39:46):
like their fundamental dignity and livelihood has been taken away
from them.

Speaker 17 (01:39:50):
And yeah, in that condition, people get bitter.

Speaker 27 (01:39:53):
And then he does say, like they cling to guns
and religion, which I think he which is incienophobia, right,
and zenophobia.

Speaker 17 (01:39:58):
It's actually very different than you're such.

Speaker 13 (01:40:00):
An EmPATH has, right.

Speaker 28 (01:40:01):
I mean the way that the right reads that is
him sneering at those people, meaning if they only weren't
xenophobic and religious and hollowed out by life, then they
would totally buy into what I'm selling them. And I
think that this also meshes very well with what the
right tends to say. He's saying that we have failed them, right,
that they wouldn't just buy into what he's selling them.

(01:40:21):
He's saying that like the left has like abandoned these right,
but I will not fail these people. And if I
were given the power, then I would I would fix
all of their problems. And really, they if they only
understood how much how much I could fix their problems.

Speaker 13 (01:40:33):
And what's keeping them from doing that.

Speaker 28 (01:40:34):
The reason they won't embrace me, it's it's what I
would say is this is the mirror image of how
the left viewed what Ronnie was saying about the forty
seven percent of people who would never vote for So
people on the right red that, like, Okay, there's a
bunch people who aren't paying taxes. They're unlikely to vote
for a person who's going to lower taxes, and people
on the left read that as he's sneering at people
who are not paying taxes, and so I think that
there is that element here.

Speaker 27 (01:40:55):
It's also the other couple of examples you give are
interesting for just being about race, right, and again Rachel
with you here, Yes, like again the pot it's very
very pretty.

Speaker 28 (01:41:05):
Racial relations in this country got markedly worse in twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 27 (01:41:10):
But is that because Barack Obama should have been more
positive on what happened to Travon Martin or what happened
in a very different way to Henry Lewis Gates, or
because it was hard for people to hear like, yeah,
if you're a black man and you see these, your
interpretation is yeah, like we get hassled by the cops,

(01:41:30):
often for no reason in a way that white people
don't really understand.

Speaker 17 (01:41:34):
Or my son could have been Trayvon, right.

Speaker 26 (01:41:37):
You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said
that this could have been my son. Another way of
saying that is a Trayvon Martin could have been me
thirty five years ago. And when you think about why,

(01:42:00):
in the African American community, at least, there's a lot
of pain around what happened here. I think it's important
to recognize that the African American community is looking at
this issue through a set of experiences and a history

(01:42:22):
that that doesn't go away. There are very few African
American men in this country who haven't had the experience
of being followed when they were shopping in a department store.

Speaker 13 (01:42:39):
That includes me.

Speaker 27 (01:42:40):
I understand that is also an expression of pain, right,
an effort to try to build a bridge. It's very
hard for you to Matchine and Donald Trump doing the
Henry Lewis Gates the Beer Summit as it got called,
where you had the cop and gates to the White House.
At the same time, it's hard for me when I
look back on that and the beer somemit in particular
to hear like, that's what radicalized you all, Yes.

Speaker 28 (01:43:02):
And the reason is because the implicit promise of Barack
Obama was the worst conflict in the history of America,
which is the racial history of the United States, which
is truly horrifying that in his person, he was basically
going to be the capstone of the great movement toward
Martin Luther King's dream and when instead things seemed to
move in the opposite direction, which was, well, you know,

(01:43:23):
it turns out that black people in America, they're inherently
victimized by a system, by a white supremacist system that
puts black people underfoot. And my son could have been Trayvon,
And people on the right saw that as like, well,
but that's not true. You are an upper class black
man who is living in the White House, and unless
your son was mistaken for a prowler going around at

(01:43:44):
night in a neighborhood, then know that that actually wouldn't
happen to your son. In fact, you have two black
daughters and that stuff has not never happened to them.

Speaker 13 (01:43:52):
So this sort of.

Speaker 28 (01:43:55):
Michael Brown in ferguson the idea that when the president
went out and he said that people wouldn't just make
this up freeze.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Okay, So here's what I want you to understand here,
Because he went over and again climbed, didn't stop him again,
a shameful way to interview. What Shapiro was saying is, well,
we thought, when we lected a negro, we'll do all
this stuff. It'll be poof gone away. So let's see

(01:44:24):
correct if I'm wrong. When Thurgood Marshall was appointed to
the Supreme Court by President Lyndon Banks Johnson, did racism
in the creel justice system just go away? No, when
we got our first black mayor of a major city
Hatcher and Gary Indiana, and Stokes in Cleveland, and Coleman
Young and Detroit, and Manor Jackson in Atlanta, and Maron

(01:44:47):
Barry and Deceived, all of a sudden, did racism and
inequality just poof go away? Because the magical negroes showed up? Well,
we got our first black fortune five hundred CEO. Did
all of a sudden there are no racism, no discrimination,
none of those things in corporate America because the magical

(01:45:10):
Negro has arrived. And so therefore, now that he is here,
it absolves us of all of our past and president
and future sins because he has now arrived. That's literally
what Shapiro was saying. So when he said, oh, this
would have been a capstone, what he's really saying is
we actually thought that when America finally elected a black

(01:45:34):
person as president, you negroes were going to shut up.
You negroes were going to stop complaining. You negroes were
going to stop demanding more. Damn it, we gave you,
we picked, we allowed one of you to become the
holder of the highest office in the land. And y'all

(01:45:55):
have the audacity, the unmitigated gall to keep complaining and
demand adding things. Why won't y'all just shut the fuck up.
That's literally what Ben Shapiro was saying. And then he
goes and oh my god, but no, that's not what happened.

Speaker 29 (01:46:12):
Is all of a sudden he comes there and they
were like, oh, damn, there's still complaining, and Ezra class
sits there and just lest that bullshit just continue and
just go on and on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Finished it.

Speaker 27 (01:46:27):
Crap audio interpretation of Obama least to you was that
if he is elected, we'll agree we've gotten past all this.
The most Parson to make us feel better, and then
when it didn't like that was understood as the betrayal
of a promise.

Speaker 28 (01:46:47):
Well, I mean again, that is how I think most
Americans saw it, including Black Americans. That was a widespread sentiment,
not just among white Americans, among black Americans is that
something had gone radically wrong in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen.

Speaker 13 (01:47:00):
So something happened.

Speaker 28 (01:47:01):
And this was an argument that was made by legacy
media a lot, which was that the real reason people
were so exercised about Obamacare wasn't because they really cared
about Obamacare, and it was really because there are a
lot of bitter clingers out there who you know, were
clinging to their God and their guns.

Speaker 13 (01:47:12):
There's enophobia, and they didn't really like.

Speaker 28 (01:47:14):
The black president, and if a white president pushed to Obamacare,
then probably they wouldn't They probably had had some problems
with it, but they wouldn't have gone crazy like this.

Speaker 13 (01:47:21):
I mean these people, I.

Speaker 27 (01:47:22):
Mean, I could tell you this's actually you're saying, there's
evidence on this, Like I there was a lot of
pulling on this on how attitudes on race correlated with
attitudes about Obamacare.

Speaker 28 (01:47:31):
I mean, that may be the case But the point
is that the perception by people who were not actually
picking on Barack Obama because of his race or were
picking on him because of his politics, was that suddenly
everything was being refracted through a racial lens.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Yeah, it was being seen through racial lens because it
was there's no there's no mistake here, there's no shock
what happened. The basis of my book Like was a
poll that was taken in two thousand and nine around
the inauguration, and the question was asked, are you optimistic

(01:48:11):
about the future of America for your children, Black people,
latinos Asian Americans. A majority said yes, less than the
majority said no. Who was that White America? Huh? I

(01:48:34):
saw that when something's up here and I'm begin to
look at other data, and that's when I came to
the conclusion we are about to embark on the beginning
of white minority resistance. It's the thesis of my book. Hey,
Ezra Cline, maybe your ass should call me if you

(01:48:54):
really want to have this conversation. But see, they don't
want to have this conversation. The networks didn't want took
me to have the conversation. Do you know why, because
they would have to confront the reality. And so what
Ben Shapiro is doing is trying to bloss over the
reality that President Barack Obama's presence all of a sudden

(01:49:19):
freaked white people out. And when he said that, oh Obama,
that Trump was a reaction to Obama, He's right. Why
because the history of America, we know for a fact
that white backlash always followed black success. So this is
no shock here. But Ezra Cline, it's not deep enough

(01:49:41):
to understand this because as a white man, he can't
fathom these things black people. When he goes, well, you know,
black people were believing the exact same thing. Black people
aren't dumb that there were hordes of educated Black people
were like, yo, yo, yo, row, we can't ask for nothing.
We can't ask for nothing because if we asked for something,

(01:50:01):
then white folks and go vote for obamb for the
second term. So we got to be quiet. Black people
are not dumb, We're quite smart. We know white people well,
and black people knew that was going to be a
racial recording. Do you know who were the people who
were talking about a post racial America? White people, white media.

(01:50:25):
I was on seeing in looking at Wolf and all
of them like, God, y'all, goddamn mind were just post
racial bullshit. Because if you're black and you know how
to read and you understand history, you knew what was coming.
And it came after reconstruction, It came after black towns

(01:50:46):
were being built. It came after black schools were opened.
It has happened. It came after the Civil rights movement,
it came after the election of the black mayors of
the nineteen seventies, with Reagan in nineteen eighty. We have
seen this movie over and over and over again. And
so what pisces me off about this section of this

(01:51:08):
interview is that Ezra Clined literally has no depth or
knowledge to break down what Shapiro said, and he does
allow him to float bullshit, and it was unanswered, it
wasn't challenged. And if you are watching this, you would go,
oh my, this was a rather revealing conversation. Yes, it

(01:51:31):
revealed the racist points of view, no matter how well
dressed and well spoken out of Ben Shapiro's mouth, and
it showed the lack of understanding of a white progressive
like ez Reclined.

Speaker 10 (01:51:45):
Robert, your thoughts, look, I think one for the people
who are the why didn't Obama do more when he
was president? Just looking back at that, that looks almost
like it was cgi. It doesn't even seem like it
was real looking back at the Obama presidency compared to
what we have now, the mint amount of pressure that
was on him to not make a single misstep tonight,
say one word out of line because of the as

(01:52:08):
Barry Goldwater called it in nineteen sixty eight, white lash
that we all knew would come at the smallest tip
of a hat. And we're living in that white lash
right now. We're living in this post Obama America where
white America is saying, not only was it Obama, it
was diversity, equity and inclusion programs. And now I have
a black female who's my manager and has to go
to HR training twice a quarter. Now, all of a sudden,

(01:52:31):
all the movies there's a black little Mermaid's women around,
and my daughter can't feel in powered, knowing there's always
going to be a little white princess to represent her.
All of a sudden, you're seeing that the tenor of
America not just is it black people getting new rights,
not just if is it women getting new rights?

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Now you have to hear about LGBTQ that you've never
heard of before.

Speaker 10 (01:52:49):
And those people that Obama talked about who have been
quote unquote left behind by the American dream, whose factory
jobs have been shipped overseas, and no matter how many
terrorsts you put on manufacturing, never going to come back.
Those people who the education system has failed and they
don't see a way out of the area that they
come from. I tell people all the time, my mom
and my sister are hating this. Grew up in Waverley Hall, Georgia,

(01:53:11):
which is a small town about forty five minutes from
the middle of nowhere. We lived in a double ye trailer,
and we've lived around that part of America. We saw that,
we saw the hopelessness, say, and when we go back now,
those same people are still there. And when they see somebody,
see somebody who looks different from there, they can't believe
that they did it from merit and they think that
the system was helping them along the way. And this

(01:53:33):
is why we're seeing this fierce backlass we're seeing right now.
So the point is that everything Ezra Klein was doing
was letting Ben Shapiro explain that to the American public.
You can't get that doubt letting just have a narrative,
just letting him put it out there. We couldn't break
down what Ben Shapiro was saying unless we let heard
him out for the first time. Realizing that most of

(01:53:55):
these black magnets that you see right now were filled
soldiers for Obama and eight in Shapiro displaining how they
were radicalized to the point that they are out here
representing white supremacists.

Speaker 26 (01:54:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
The thing that I found to be just so interesting here,
Matt is we've heard all this stuff before, I mean,
were being Shapiro saying, ain't nothing new. I mean literally
as he was talking again, I remember being on the
air fighting this shit nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, These
these these these these white Confederates and all that sort

(01:54:28):
of nonsense. And see and the reality is they couldn't
say the N word. But remember what Lee Atwater said.
He said, we know and it's on record, it was recorded.
He's like, we no longer have to use the N word.
It's other stuff that we can use. And that's what
was happening. And so they love to say, oh, no, no, no, no,
we weren't targeting Obama because he was black. Really is

(01:54:49):
there were white people in this country who were believing that,
oh my god, we're gonna lose stuff. He's gonna just
give stuff away to the blacks. And it was all
that sort of stuff. It's in the data. It's in
the polling data. So when they go when when this
idiot and Megan Kelly goes, oh my god, Obama came
along and race les, you just went to hell. Hello.

(01:55:14):
Maybe it was the mere presence of the black guy
that kind of pissed some people off.

Speaker 11 (01:55:22):
That's what it was, and that's why they talk about
it the way that they do. And I think the
reality of it is this. I don't think most people
had any illusion that race relations were racial issues. We're
going to go away by the election of mister Obama.

Speaker 9 (01:55:37):
I think what white.

Speaker 30 (01:55:38):
People thought, particularly racist white people, particularly hardcore conservative racist
white people, is they thought that the election of Barack
Obama took away his ability to address anything racial.

Speaker 9 (01:55:51):
I mean, just the idea that Ben Shapiro was.

Speaker 11 (01:55:53):
Talking about, Oh, you're upper middle class, you're in the
white House, you're you know, accomplished, right, That's exactly the
kind of rhetoric you heard around this country all the
time when people when it's Obama was elected, because then
it became you are the cream of the crop by
what we call to be American metrics, and therefore the
fact that you are there means that there can't be

(01:56:14):
institutional racism. It means that black men can't be being
targeted by the police. It means that black people can't
be dying disproportionately at the hands of the police, because
your election is supposed to be proof positive that those
issues don't exist, and we all know that that isn't true.
And I think part and parcel with that is a
lot of the frustration with Obama was this idea that
he no longer had license to speak to issues that

(01:56:37):
he should have to speak to as the president of
the United States. Now, the fact that he's a black man,
which rankled a lot of people in general. I mean,
let's be frank, exacerbates that. But the president of the
United States is supposed to to serve everyone in the
country right and should be addressing topics to your major issues.
So the idea that a black president can't address black

(01:56:57):
issues because he's black is problematic. But I think that
there are a lot of people who thought his election
took away his ability to do that. And more than that,
I think the better example of the fact that it
was just the color of Obama skin is how vitriolic
all of the pushback against policy was. I mean, with Trump,
you have somebody who was going out daily making incendiary

(01:57:20):
comments and purposely sequestering parts of the population. But that
wasn't coming out of the Obama White House. What was
coming out of the Obama White House was policy. And
if you remember how they talked about that policy, I
mean it was dripping with the same kind of seeding
hate that they talk about other things.

Speaker 9 (01:57:36):
Right, they would act like Obama was just.

Speaker 11 (01:57:39):
The spawn of Satan because they've introduced Obamacare, and that
is because he was a black man and for no
other reason, and because he's a talisman of that exact
life that he's talking about with the better clingers, the
people in American society who are forgotten.

Speaker 9 (01:57:55):
Largely white people, the largely white people on welfare.

Speaker 11 (01:57:58):
They see him as a talisman of the life that
they have been they've had stolen from them by virtue
of the existence of people like him. So when it
gets in the White House, he's not allowed to talk
about black issues. That's what I saw then, and that's
what I think Ben Shapiro is speaking to.

Speaker 31 (01:58:11):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
See the thing here, Michael, and this is this has
been white America just the beginning. So folks go, oh, no, no, no,
I'm not racist. And see people understand is this is
not a conservative versus progressive conversation because there are white
progressives who think it act the same way. So in
their minds, no, I'm not racist. I'm not I'm not

(01:58:35):
big at it. I don't have any So I tell
you all time, See, the biggest problem we have is
we say racist, not racist. I said, that ain't the issue.
It's all that stuff in between. It's that space in between.
It's the assumptions, Uh, it's it's it's the microaggressions, all
those things that we could spotted so easy. It's crazy.

(01:58:58):
And so that was what was dealing with what's happening here?
And so what you had is you the people. How
dare he address these issues? How dare he talk on
these things? How dare he even speak on these things?
How dare he talk about the inequities in housing and
venture capitalism? Why can't you just be a happy Negro

(01:59:20):
that you're in the Oval office and just shut up,
be quiet for four years in eight years, and then
move along. That's really what they wanted. So what Ben
Shapiro is really saying, Oh no, as Robert said, it
wasn't policy that ticked us off. It was that Obama

(01:59:41):
had the audacity to stand up there and call us
out in a very smart, articulate, clear defined way, and
we're pissed off that he did. He should have been
on the side of Zimerman. He should have been on
the side of that white cop who was talking to

(02:00:05):
Skip Gates. He should have been on the side of
the people who discriminate in housing and how dare One
of the first things that he does is sign a
law at the Congress past that attacked racial discrimination in
auto lending, and what was one of the very first
bills Republicans overturned when Trump got in that particular bill

(02:00:27):
that says all you need to know.

Speaker 13 (02:00:31):
Yeah, So I'm glad you showed that the interview. So
a few things.

Speaker 12 (02:00:36):
Number One, I remember when Obama was elected and then
all of a sudden you had commentary. Yeah, white commentators,
white Republican commentators, conservative commentators saying Okay, this is a
post racial America. Now, this is post racial, which really
meant they didn't want to hear anything else about racism.
They didn't want to hear about racism, structural in equities,

(02:00:58):
anything because now you have a black president and all
that's gone away.

Speaker 13 (02:01:03):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (02:01:04):
When Ben Shapiro talked about white people thinking that a
Electron Obama this would be you know, or or or
they thought that Obama would try to fulfill.

Speaker 17 (02:01:13):
Doctor King's dreams.

Speaker 12 (02:01:15):
Right with doctor Well, when you talk about quote unquote
the dream, part of the dream was dismountling white supremacy
and racism in this country. Okay, the beloved community is
what happens after you dismount of white supremacy and racism.
And when he talked about when Obama talked about Trayvon
Martin and then he talked about African American man being

(02:01:36):
followed around or disproportionately stopped by police. See, now you're
talking about systemic racism. Okay, you got the black man
in the White House talking about systemic racism. White people
did not want to hear about that. And Charlie Kirk said,
systemic racism doesn't exist. So just Obama's presence as a
black man who understood history, who talked about that periodically,

(02:02:00):
was a threat and it was an insult to many
white people. And Donald Trump was that white backlash that
we always see to any periods of progress that African
Americans make. And this is another backlash that we're see
in right now of Donald Trump. With the help of
Project twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Five, a couple of things. And I know over time,
but trust me, I'm already telling my publicist, Yeah, send
this to Ezra Klein. You want to have a conversation, Ezra, Yeah,
let's talk about this here, because that Shapiro that was
some bullshit, pure and simple. Before I go to the

(02:02:38):
Christian thing, somebody just posted in the group chat and
we know Donald Trump ain't got no respect for black women.
So this took place in the Oval office today. I'm
a girl. Abida mac Morris, the White House correspondent for
American Urban Radio Network, actually asked the question of Trump,
and he showed his ass like always does in chastising

(02:03:03):
black women. Listen, watch this up too, and we're going
to be going in quiet.

Speaker 32 (02:03:08):
You're really obnoxious.

Speaker 31 (02:03:10):
I'm not obnoxious, but I'm trying to ask you what
about your plans?

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
You are really obnopious.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
I'm not obnoptos, but I am asking what are you okay?

Speaker 20 (02:03:16):
For many people?

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
I'm not going to talk to you until I call
on you. What are you so? Who else? Yeah?

Speaker 20 (02:03:22):
Go ahead, No, I actually want to sell this free
speech question because you've said that you restored free speech
in America?

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Is that free speech?

Speaker 31 (02:03:30):
Including for people who are harshly critical of you, for
your political opponents, for people who say things you don't
want to become.

Speaker 32 (02:03:36):
Immune to you want fairly, I've become immuneto it. There's
never been a person that's had more unfair publicity than me.
And that's why your network made me fifteen million dollars
or sixteen million dollars. I believe to be executuate slap adopolos.
And that's why CPS paid me a lot of money too.
And that's why I sued The New York Times two

(02:03:56):
days ago for a lot of money just because I well,
I'm winning. I'm mean, I'm winning the cases. And the
reason I'm winning is because you're guilty. John, You're guilty.
ABC is a terrible network of very unfair network, and
you should be ashamed of yourself. NBC is equally bad.
I don't know who's worse. I think they're equally bad.
And you know, for you to stand there excellent.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
All right, so he's been the rest time trash at ABC.
But right there, Michael, that's how first of all, Donald
Trump can't call it nobody obnoxious because he's the most obnoxious, abhorrent, despicable,
disgraceful individual to ever occupy the Oval office. And that
includes the races Woodrow Wilson.

Speaker 12 (02:04:40):
Yes, and he has a hatred of black women as well,
especially intelligent black women. We just saw that display right there.
We see how he treats your Mischall Sindor as well,
another excellent journalist.

Speaker 13 (02:04:54):
We remember him being.

Speaker 12 (02:04:56):
Disrespectful to April Ryan. All so White House correspondent April Ryan.
Y'all meet al sender, Rachel Scott. I mean, we can
see Rachel Cecilia Varga, well, Vega, we can go. If
you're a woman of color, he gonna treat you like crafton,
absolutely ablutely because because that's that's who he is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
Okay that we have to be clear on this. That's
who he is.

Speaker 12 (02:05:19):
And that's one of the reasons why, uh I think,
you know, he gravitated towards Charlie Kirk so much. It
wasn't just the fact that Charlie Kirk helped him win
the you know, the conservative youth vote, things like that.

Speaker 9 (02:05:29):
With turning point us say no, they had some of
a lot of the same ideologies.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Also bomb line here, Matt, Yeah, he don't like being questioned,
and she's look, it's an open deal. I get to
ask a question. But this is also where the other
Wilvese correspondents y'all need to have somebody back and follow
up on their question.

Speaker 11 (02:05:47):
Absolutely, and this is exactly what we saw earlier with
Nancy Mace. I mean, it's just it's what Trump. It
is a complete disregard for you know, the quorum and
respect for people. And I think we just way too
much on that. I think what him and his team
have done masterfully, if you want to be honest, over
the years, they is they have brought down the level

(02:06:08):
of equilibrium so low that the president of the White
House can sit there and yell down a reporter. I
mean that would be if Obama had done it, that
would be you know, cause for all kinds of Congress
censuring him trying to do whatever else. But with this,
this is this is standard fair for Trump, and it's
because he hates black people, he hates women, and he
very very clearly you know, treats reporters this way. It

(02:06:31):
has many times, so none of this is surprising. But
this is exactly what we're talking about. This is the
person occupying the White House and what we expect and
what we see on a daily basis coming out of
sixteen hundred per He.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Is shameful, He is uncouth.

Speaker 10 (02:06:43):
Robert look for every a white guy who has to
sit through another meeting with an overqualified black woman talking
down to him because he doesn't quite understand that the
program that she's been expert in for twenty years outweighs
the internship and his dad gave him that job. This
is catnip for them. These are the people that Ben
Shapiro was talking to. These are those suburban voters who

(02:07:07):
otherwise they believe in and many of the things that are.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
Left believes in.

Speaker 10 (02:07:10):
But because of exactly that, that idea of strength of
disrespect of white man being back in the mad men
world of the nineteen fifties of the nineteen eighties, if
you close your eyes. That would sound like a scene
out of a civil rights movie. Oh for a black
woman asking questions about the situation in Memphis while being
disrespect about bull Connor behind the desk.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
That is what they gravitate to.

Speaker 10 (02:07:34):
And so when you think about the political dance that
people have to take, when we think about, like we
said earlier, the political dance that Obama had to go
through to get those same white people to vote for him.
While we were voting for him thinking he was going
to be our liberator, they were voting for him thinking
that he was going to be our conqueror, that he
was going to be the one to tell us to
finally bow down and shut up. So when you see that,

(02:07:56):
you have to think about the bigger context, which is
that you still have half of America see that, and
they believe in that, and they're excited by it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
Absolutely. Now, I just I love I love how when
you speak truth, how other folk all of a sudden
get religion. Later on, so, y'all, it was September twelve,
twenty twenty one, when I went on ABC this Week,
and I didn't pick the subjects, and they decided to

(02:08:25):
talk about Chris Christie's speech at the Reagan Library. Now
I'm gonna tell you'all, be honest with y'all. So we
were in the commercial break and the sister who was
on there, she turned to Georgia and she said, are
we really gonna talk about this speech? And George says yeah.
Now I'm a guest. She was a paid con triber
at the time. Chris is a pay contributor, Sarah Escore
because her name, whatever her name was, she's a pay contributor.

(02:08:47):
So I was own the one up there not getting paid.
So I wasn't saying nothing, but inside I was like, ooh,
bring that speech up. Ooo, please bring that speech up,
because I was ready to tag that ass. And I did.
Now let me tell y'all what happened. Christie walked off
that set so mad, so pissed off. Man he went
and caught This was an ambush. Three executives told me

(02:09:07):
this afterwards. Okay. I ran to one of the NABJ
was like, yeah, we just thought we like more collegial conversation.
We thought that was just too much heat. I said, heat,
baby on the skin of one to ten, that was
a four. That wasn't no heat. Now, what's funny? Is
everything I said in that segment Chris Christie has been

(02:09:28):
saying ever since. So who was right on? By the way,
I ain't been back on ABC this week, not when
Stephanopolis is hosted, not where Jonathan carl is hosted, not
when Martha Raddis is hosting, because I guess you know
that was just I wasn't being respectful. I wasn't bound
down to little Chris Christie when he and lil but

(02:09:51):
I was not bowing down to Chris Christie. So I
made the point we gonna run this every single year
as a reminder of me lighting that ass up. And
I was right, did y'all? I want y'all to roll
it from the beginning, get the whole segment, roll it,
Chris Christy.

Speaker 17 (02:10:11):
He was an referring, of course.

Speaker 33 (02:10:13):
The former President Trump also went to a police station
in New York yesterday complained again about the rigged election.
You gave a major speech at the Reagan Library this
week where you said it was time to face the
realities of the twenty twenty election, renounce the conspiracy theorists
and the truth deniers. So you're in a collision course
with former President Trump.

Speaker 20 (02:10:30):
No, I'm I'm on a course to try to make
sure that my party become keep remains rather relevant in
the political conversation in this country.

Speaker 17 (02:10:39):
Maybe it is becomes are majority.

Speaker 33 (02:10:41):
You're seeing more and more Republicans are now saying they're
buying in conspiracy theory this.

Speaker 20 (02:10:46):
In the end, I do think that it's moving in
the other direction. I mean, I think it'll continue to
move in the other direction. And what that speech was
all about was to repeat what I said with you
on election night.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
You know, at two thirty.

Speaker 20 (02:10:59):
Am on election night, when the president made the speech
that he made. President Trump made the speech that he made,
I said it was unfounded and that there was no
evidence of anything like what he was talking about, and
he needed to stop and.

Speaker 17 (02:11:14):
Republicans.

Speaker 20 (02:11:14):
It's taken hold among some Republicans, George. But I think
what you're what you're seeing. What you're seeing over the
course of time, as this continues to move past election
night and the emotion of an election, is that more
and more people are saying that that's not true. And
by the way, it's also incumbent upon all of us
in the party who don't believe it's true to speak

(02:11:35):
out because you're not going to convince everybody over night,
the same we were having the conversation about vaccines, and
you're not going to convince certain people certain things. I
can't tell you many conversations I've had with friends of
mine who are smart, good people who aren't vaccinated.

Speaker 17 (02:11:48):
So are you getting blowback? I mean, listened a little bit.

Speaker 20 (02:11:51):
But much more praise than blowback for the speech, and
so you know, but in the end, that's not why
I gave the speech to either get praise or worry
about blowback.

Speaker 17 (02:12:00):
You say what you believe.

Speaker 20 (02:12:01):
That's what I try to do here every week when
I'm on and I said what I believed on Thursday night,
and it's what I'm going to continue to believe.

Speaker 34 (02:12:08):
I just think for four years we watch Republicans either
be silent or be complicit in the building of the
monster that is Trump. And even post Trump, there are
still Republicans who are bolstering him, supporting him. So I
feel like too little, too late. The reality is is
real leadership is stepping up to the man at the
time he was in the seat and saying that we
won't budge, and there was none of that. And unfortunately,

(02:12:29):
I don't know what the future of the Republican Party
is there's so many folks who.

Speaker 1 (02:12:33):
Are now swinging closely.

Speaker 34 (02:12:35):
We think about the forty seven states that have legislation
trying to keep people from voting based on the.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
Big lie that we know was not true.

Speaker 34 (02:12:43):
We think about January sixth and the insurrection that happened
on the structure of democracy itself and democracy and there
are Republicans who don't want to have an investigation into that.
So this Republican Party is way far gone and unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Too little, too late. This is Ray hold On.

Speaker 33 (02:12:59):
I want to get a Republican perspective here from Sarah is.
You know they're saying debate there. Chris believes the party's
over time moving in his direction.

Speaker 31 (02:13:06):
If that disagrees, I think that perhaps we will finally
see what we didn't get to see in twenty sixteen,
where there were seventeen candidates, nobody dropped out so that
you could have the one on one versus Donald Trump.
Perhaps it looks like Donald Trump is going to run again.
We're certainly told that by all of his advisors and
by all accounts from him. If it is Chris Christy

(02:13:28):
versus Donald Trump and the Republican primary Republicans will have
a choice, and certainly Donald Trump is in some ways
at his weakest that he's been since he left the
White House, and in other ways, certainly what he has
said and Trump is has picked up within the party.
It will be up to Governor Christy to make the
case that there is somewhere else to go. But I
do think if Trump runs, he may be alone in

(02:13:49):
that lane, and that could be helpful.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
I'm sorry Republican Party, they made their choice, and I
appreciate the speech, Governor, but the reality is this. You
have to admit, Sarah. You have to admit the role
that you played in putting the person in leadership who
is driving conspiracy theories. It's one thing to condemn them

(02:14:11):
after the fact, but you have to own up to
the role that you played and putting the person in
power the time.

Speaker 20 (02:14:18):
No, no, no, no, they finished off finish And second,
I ran against Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
And try against you ran against them. But when a
person has principles, morals and values, they do not support
them even if you lose. And what they say is
what they say is I choose patriotism and the country
over party and power. And the problem was too many
Republicans chose power and riding with Donald Trump as opposed

(02:14:53):
to patriotism.

Speaker 20 (02:14:54):
I'll sleep fine tonight with you judging my morals.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
So guess what as a voter, as a voter who
has thirteen nieces nephews, what I also want to see
in America? Or Republicans and Democrats who have the guts
to stay up to narcissists, to folks who lie, to
folks who see the hem and lt a country in
the wrong direction, and what that man has unleashed on
this country. Any Republican who stood with him has to
own it and accept the role that they play.

Speaker 17 (02:15:18):
Well, that's fine.

Speaker 20 (02:15:19):
I'll accept the role that I played in the twenty
sixteen election running against him, and I'll accept them. But
let him finish them finish this point, and I'll accept
the role that I played in my belief that Hillary
Clinton was not the right person to be president. We
all get to make choices rolling in this democracy.

Speaker 1 (02:15:35):
I made my choice.

Speaker 20 (02:15:36):
I'm on record of my choice, and I'm not walking
away from my choice. But it does not preclude me
from being able to be critical when the person that
I did support does things that I am against. And
so this false choice that you're trying.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
To set up. Does that false?

Speaker 20 (02:15:50):
It's a false choice and one that the American people
are not going to buy either.

Speaker 17 (02:15:54):
Let me, let me just press it.

Speaker 33 (02:15:55):
Press on one other point right now, I would argue
that to the fact that so many Americans can't buy
into simple facts, it's probably the biggest existential threat we
face to our democracy. So when somebody speaks up for that,
isn't it something to be praised.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Facts are critically important. But again, when you support someone
who said fake news, who when you were truthful, and
then push that, then when you have the networks and
the conservative radio talk show hosts, that whole echo chamber
driving that, that's the problem. I am a native of
Texas who is still registered there, and I'm dealing with
Rick Abbott and Dan Patrick who is consistently lying and

(02:16:34):
making things up, and you're dealing with that, I'm dealing
with people who are changing textbooks and as a well,
here's a deal. I have a very basic principle since
I've been a journalist. If you do good, I'll talk
about you. If you do bad, i'll talk about you
that at the end of the day, i'll talk about you.
Somebody has to say what others are praised.

Speaker 17 (02:16:53):
The last word.

Speaker 31 (02:16:55):
If you want to persuade the half the country that
voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen to move to
your side, then you've got to stop villainizing them. You've
got to stop having these conversations where everyone who is
not with you is against you. And when someone says
that Donald Trump did something wrong, you may want to
consider praising that and trying to use that to persuade
the people who are not going to be persuaded.

Speaker 33 (02:17:16):
That that is going to have to be the last word,
just to be could obviously continue.

Speaker 17 (02:17:20):
I'm sure it will be.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
In coom in weeks. Nah, we didn't have any coming
weeks because they invited me back since. But here's the reality,
and I'm gonna start with you, Matt on that whole
thing right there. And this is the thing that to
me that is so laughable even when I look back
at that. Four years ago, Chris Christie helped Donald Trump
prepare for the twenty twenty debates. Chris Christie was endorsing him.

(02:17:42):
Chris Christie wanted him to beat Biden. So after four
years and all that lion and all that nonsense, he
was still hoping he was gonna win four more years.
So after he loses in January sixth, don't try to
come down with the Ronald regular speech. Now was buying
that sense?

Speaker 9 (02:18:02):
Oh, I mean, you're right. See also JD. Vance is
in the White House, and wasn't he one of the
most vocal never trumpers. Yep, you know. Look, I mean
there's and then here's the thing.

Speaker 11 (02:18:12):
Sarah's her point is one that really infuriated me because
this is exactly what you.

Speaker 9 (02:18:17):
See people do you see them move the goalpost right?

Speaker 11 (02:18:20):
It doesn't become like, Okay, let's address the fact that
you not only aided in a bedded Especially Chris Christy
will understand that being a former US attorney, you aid
it in a bed at this man who's now in
the White White House, who you're now decrying, or at
that point he was out, but who you're now decrying,
And you have to address that.

Speaker 9 (02:18:38):
And the second thing about that is people have to
be able to look at.

Speaker 11 (02:18:42):
The value or the facts of a platform and not
a matter of whether they're being quote villainized or not villainized.
That's exactly what we're seeing right now. Make your vote
based on the substance, not on whether somebody's villainizing you.
And I hate that point because that kind of sanitizing
is exactly what we see. Oh well, people aren't gonna
want to vote if you make them feel bad about themselves. Well,
I'm not going to lie to them so they feel

(02:19:03):
good about themselves. I got to to speak the truth
of power. And when you do that, people naturally don't
like it. And that's exactly what you saw in that segment.
And Chris Christy, you know, a speech does not cure
your aiding in a betting.

Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
And the thing here, Michael, and this is my problem
with the folks at ABC. Oh that was just too heated. Hell,
that wasn't even remotely heated. But see, they don't want
that type of a grilling on the Sunday morning news
shows because those Sunday morning news shows, it's all nice
and wonderful and let's go laugh in the green room,

(02:19:34):
let's pat it on the back. No, I'm sorry, You've
got to speak truth when you're talking to the American people.
And the reality is that's what I was doing. And listen,
I ain't been back there in four years more than
Joe ain't invited me back since twenty fifteen because I'm
not about to sit here and put in a little
cute ass little game and make you feel comfortable. I
wasn't praising that damn speech after what Chris Christy did,

(02:19:58):
and hell don't. To make matters worse, he did all
that ass kissing of Trump in twenty sixteen, and Jared
Kushner got him booted off as the leader of Trump's
transition team, and he was still staying there with him.
I was like, man, that man dogged you in your face,
talked about your weight, just embarrassed you left and you

(02:20:19):
was still ride with him for twenty twenty. Man, Come on, yeah,
that's why.

Speaker 12 (02:20:25):
That's what I was going to So I remember I
watched it when the air live, Okay, Roland, when you
were on this week, I watched it when the air live.
But yeah, so keep in mind, the backstory is Chris Christie,
when he was US attorney, prosecuted Jared Kushner's father, Okay,

(02:20:47):
sit jered Cushion's fathers to prison. This is why there
is that animosity between Kushner and Chris Christy, which is
why Christy never got a position in the White House.

Speaker 9 (02:20:59):
Okay, and then yes he helped.

Speaker 12 (02:21:02):
Then he go after all the humiliation, after all the
fact jokes that Trump made about Christy in twenty sixteen,
when Christy Grant for president against trumpet or walk for president,
one of them, then he goes and helps Trump prepare
to debate Biden. Also, okay, you know, in twenty twenty.

(02:21:24):
So it's just ridiculous, it's just capitulating, you know, once again,
but these Republicans of converts.

Speaker 1 (02:21:33):
But this also, though Robert, it speaks to weakness in media.
And so oh so now we're not gonna call you
back now. Mind you that clip there went viral for
seventy two hours, actually for the whole week. The right
wing Media Research Center thought they was trying to dog
me by posting the clip. So that's like ahead a

(02:21:55):
million and forty eight hours, and I'm sitting here like
really like y'all mad No, that's the The fact that
ABC News, the ABC this Week has not called me
one time in four years shows you how mainstream media
operates when they don't want real independent truth tellers on

(02:22:18):
the shows.

Speaker 10 (02:22:18):
And I think you don't see me on Fox no more,
because this is exactly whole file of call me.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
They like that Negro now.

Speaker 10 (02:22:27):
But this is exactly the point that when we're talking
about these things in media, which is there's an alternate universe,
you know how every movie now has a multiverse there,
and then there's like the timeline you go down, the
darkest timeline to the apocalypse.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
That's the one we're on.

Speaker 10 (02:22:41):
We're on the bad timeline, and there's an alternate timeline
where people listen to you back then, and we want
of the Kamala Harris first term, and we're building windmills
and solar panels everywhere right now instead of dealing with
tanks in the streets and the rolling back of every
single right we can think of. I think we talked
about Chairman Meeks earlier. I think people don't realize what
House Republicans have been pulling with the funded and the

(02:23:03):
government bill. They locked Congress in for thirty six straight
hours this week, thirty straight hours to hammer through in
the dead of the night, the most Drayconian cuts, the
most concentrating of power into an author authoritative way. And
Chairman meets on the House Foreign Relations Committee fearlessly they

(02:23:24):
had Democrats. He held them together because just like you
saw today, it's hard to hold Democrats together in a
caucus or in a group. He helped them together to
oppose every single amendment that Republicans were putting forth in
the Housebor Relations and Committee. And it is so important
for people to understand that this is a fight for
the nation's very sole and if we listen to you
back then to draw that contrast, that's the big issue.

(02:23:45):
The contrast. People thought, well, if Kamala is here and
Trump is here, they bout the same, So I might
well go with the guy who's cool to hanging out
with the rock stars or something. We have to draw
that contrast, or people really understand the type of takeover
the government that is taking place right now, right under
our chins, and by the time we figure out. But look,
think about this way. When you get a rental car,

(02:24:07):
you don't put rims on it. If you get an airbnb,
you don't get custom cabinets in the kitchen. If you
plan on leaving somewhere, you don't start customizing it. You
don't build a two hundred million dollar ballroom. You don't
get a four hundred million dollar bribejet from Qatar. You
don't start decorating the train station in DC to make
it better for your friends to come party and go

(02:24:28):
to dinner. People are in an insistential threat for America,
and we have to understand the truth tellers like you
are what's important right now and what happens there.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Again, by calling them out, they have to own up to.
Like Sarah she went to go work for Jeff Sessions
in the Apartment of Justice. They have to own up to.
They legitimize Trump. They have to own it. And I
ain't gonna never let them forget that. They allow that
man to come into power and that's just the facts

(02:24:57):
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