Maxine Waters Shreds Trump Power Grabs, Chicago Pushback, GA Election Denier Fight

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Speaker 2 (03:18):
The fuck in Chief continues to do what he does.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Now, taking control of Union Station, moving aside Amtrak, threatened
to be a dictator, Threatened to send a National Guard
to Chicago, New York and other places, attacking a black
woman who's the first one.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
On the Federal Reserve board. So I'm quite sure.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Coming from the Conswoman Maxine Waters has a whole lot
to say about the twice impeach criminally convicted fellow in.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Chief Donald the Khan Trump.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Chicago Mayor Brendan Johnson makes it clear that Donald Trump
has the tenorship, is not welcome in the Windy City.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Will show you what he had to say, and he
will also talk to him. Those it is in the.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
White House are telling the world they are taking.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Over a Union station.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
As I said, y'all, it's already under federal control.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
We'll talk to a DC Council member.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But the real reason Macca is attacking Washington d C.
In Fulton County, Republicans are trying to force the Fulton
County commissioners to put two twenty twenty election deniers on
the county elections board. One county commissioner says he will
go to jail to keep those idiots off of the board. Oh,

(04:38):
it's time to bring the fog on rolling marked non
filter on the Black Sudden network.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Let's go.

Speaker 10 (04:46):
It.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
What to believes he's right on top.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Best believe he's knowing.

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Is Loston news to politics with entertainment just bookcakes.

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He's it's rolling, he's prost.

Speaker 12 (05:20):
She's filled the question. No, he's rolling.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Hashtag. We try to tell you.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
We spent more than a year trying to tell you
that if Donald Trump, the twice impeached, criminally convicted felon,
was allowed back in the Oval office, there would be
no bottom. He would be a dictator. He would be
a person who would lead with no morals, no values,

(05:59):
no principal, no ethics, no integrity, no credibility, no honor,
and no decency.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
That is exactly what he is doing.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
He cannot stand black people. He is anti black, He
is a white nationalist, he is a white supremacist, and
he's attacking the first.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Black woman to serve on the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Governor Lisa Cook, Yes, this man has no shame and
Republicans are going right along with it. Last time we
had our next guest, she said, we have to do
everything we can to fight back, and I'm sure nothing
has changed. Joining us right now as California congress Woman

(06:44):
Maxine and Waters by phone, Congresswoman, glad to have you here.

Speaker 14 (06:47):
Thank you so much, Roe, appreciate you so much. So
much going on. You know, Trump has literally determined that
he can get away with so much because the power
of the presidency is so awesome. The Constitution does not
list hundreds of things that he cannot do, and so

(07:11):
he's doing everything.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
That he ever thought he wanted to do.

Speaker 14 (07:15):
He's ruthless, and he's using his power to literally undermine, override,
show all of his racist tendencies of Trump right in
your face. And so you mentioned Lisa Cook, Yes, a
brilliant woman, one of the Board of governors.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
He simply told her to resign. She told him go
to hell. She wasn't resigning. I love it.

Speaker 14 (07:41):
She said, You're going to have to see me in
court because I am not going to resign.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
He says, I'm.

Speaker 14 (07:49):
Going to fire you.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
She said, call your best.

Speaker 14 (07:52):
Shot, because I know what the Constitution says, and I
know what I'm entitled to as a member of the
Board of the Federal Reserve. And so she's standing up.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
But look what he has done.

Speaker 14 (08:05):
He is beaten back. The universities. Columbia has paid him
millions of dollars, Brown University, even Harvard. Now he's threatening
their research money and they're in negotiations with him. He's
going after the private sector with law firms, telling them
who they.

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Can represent, who they can't represent.

Speaker 14 (08:26):
And so when you talk about dictatorship, this is exactly
what he wants. He really loves Putin and Kim Jong
Ung and the way that they run their governments, and
that's what he wants to do, and he's moving ahead
with it. And I want you to know that, in
spite of the protests that many of us involved, and

(08:48):
I've been an eleven protests on the street everywhere that
I go, I been helping people to understand the danger
of this low down, dirty honery, disrespectful human being. And
so here he is now talking about the Smithsonian and
he's talking about slavery wasn't so bad?

Speaker 8 (09:11):
Well, you know, I don't see.

Speaker 14 (09:13):
Him going into any Jewish museum telling them that somehow
they are not to be concerned about anti Semitism. But
why doesn't he think he can get away with blacks.
I don't want him touching the African Museum. I don't
want him threatening to take out items that he does

(09:37):
not like, he does not want. I mean, this is horrible,
this is terrible. We know he's a command in chief.
We know that he can federalize, you know, the Washington Police.
We know he can call out the National Guard and
the army. So I don't want our young people to
try to face off with them and get killed. But

(09:58):
what I want us to do is say to him,
you go take care of your pedophile friends. Tell us
why you are protecting Epstein. You tell us why it
has been said that your name is in all of
the records. And so if we keep Epstein in his

(10:18):
face the way some of the Republicans are doing, that's
what he is trying to divert people from as he
does all this dirty work.

Speaker 8 (10:26):
I want Washington, d c. To do nothing but make thousands.

Speaker 14 (10:30):
Of signs all saying Epstein is your pedophile friend. What
were you guys doing with young girls? Epstein and you
forever not only having Maxwell bring young girls to you,
there are young girls who still have a story to tell.

(10:52):
Let's keep Epstein on him because that's what he's trying
to avoid, And that's what some of the Republicans are
holding him to his word, and so he thinks that
he can divert he can get us, you know, get
turned the white people on us even more with his
racist self and divert all of this attention. But if

(11:14):
we're smart enough, every sign everywhere he goes you.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
And Epstein and the pedophiles that you are.

Speaker 14 (11:23):
I mean let's keep that in his face because this
is what he wants to run from. This is he
wants what he wants to hide, he wants to get
rid of. But you know, if we're smart, we will
join with those shoe Republicans that are saying you promised
us that you were going to unveil this information. I'm

(11:45):
coming to Washington. I want to talk with the mayor
about let's make signs. Let's everybody make our pedophile signs when.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
He shows up.

Speaker 14 (11:54):
He shows up the African Museum, Let's trick Epstein in
his face. Let's not him, let him get away. And
this is what's gonna bring him down.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well check this out.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean you had this Israeli cyber official suspected of pedophilia.
This was a federal investigation in Trump at Wuest and
net in Yahoo and allow this man to leave the country.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So they love some pedophiles.

Speaker 14 (12:24):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. We gotta wrap it around his neck,
yes they do. And he wants it to go away.
He wants to divert the American public from it. But
we can't let him do that. Let's rub it in.
We got enough votes to bring it up on the floor.
You know, Democrats and Republicans. We got enough votes to

(12:45):
bring it up. Johnson let us out early because he
was stopping it, but they got to deal with us
when we come back, and on the streets of Washington,
I want everybody to have a sign, you know, talking about.

Speaker 8 (12:59):
Epstein and Trump and the pedophiles.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, yeah, I mean you're right, he's throwing everything up
against the wall to talk about that. I mean, you
name it. He's trying to do it because this was
heard of him, and he personally called a bunch of
conservative podcasts, radio show hosts, TV host telling them, hey,

(13:23):
stop bringing this up, stop talking about it. And that
shows you right there, how weak and impotent they are
of that, very.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
Weak, and so many, for some reasons, are afraid of him.

Speaker 14 (13:37):
But you know what we have been taught, you know,
by our forefathers and fore mothers, that we have to
be in the struggle, and we have to be in
the fight. We don't get intimidated, you know what I'm saying.
I've been talking with some older people and they said,
you know, we're going on the street. All I don't

(13:57):
want is I don't want our people to get shot
and killed by some.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
Of these army.

Speaker 14 (14:05):
People that he's bringing in are the National Guard that
he's army. I just don't want that to happen. But
we can get him. We can get him if we
don't let him get away from Epstein.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, there's no doubt that what Trump wants. He wants
a clash in the streets. Yeah, he desperately he wants that.
I was talking to a pastor of talking to Father
Michael Flaker. He say, Chicago, and I said, this is
where he must be met with mass nonviolence. I said,

(14:38):
imagine the signs you're talking about. Imagine if five hundred
to one thousand Christians a line in the streets holding
their Bible, calling them out and challenging them. But again,
we know exactly what he wants because he wants to
declare martial law.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's what my law do.

Speaker 8 (14:57):
That's what he wants. He wants to declare martial law.

Speaker 15 (15:00):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (15:00):
They wanted to have a confused and little black boys
on the street.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
We get killed, Ye'll kill him. That should him?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well well that was that was That was a US
Senate hearing and Eleas Slotnik was questioning. She was questioning
Defense Secretary uh Pete Heck sath and in that particular hearing.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
UH, she asked.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
She said that Donald Trump UH, in his previous Secretary Defense,
demanded that protesters Black Lives Matter protesters be shot in
the leg, and so in the hearing, she was she
was demanding UH, she was demanding UH to know if

(15:49):
Pete Hexseth had given the order UH to do the same.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
And he danced around it.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Uh, he got indignant, but he never said he did not.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I'm going to pull it up in a second.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
But again, that's what we're dealing with here, and so
we know exactly what he is trying to do.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
We know what he is trying.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
In fact, in fact, this year, this was Mark Espert.
This was the Higgs had tried to say, Oh, you
can't believe everything you read in the book.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, this is Mark Esper.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Who was Trump's first he was secondary of Defense in
his first term.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
He said this to sixty minutes.

Speaker 16 (16:28):
He called Mike Pence.

Speaker 17 (16:29):
And f and Lucy.

Speaker 18 (16:30):
He didn't call him directly, but he was looking at
him when he was saying it, and it really caught
my attention, and I thought that we're at a different
spot now, he's going to finally give a direct order
to deploy paratroopers into the streets of Washington, d C.
And I'm thinking with weapons and bayonets, and it would
be horrible.

Speaker 16 (16:50):
What specifically was he suggesting that the US military should
do to these protesters there?

Speaker 18 (16:57):
He says, can't you just shoot them, shoot them in
the legs or something. And he's suggesting that that we
should do that, we should bring in the troops and
shoot the protesters.

Speaker 16 (17:06):
The commander in chief was suggesting that the US military
shoot protesters.

Speaker 18 (17:13):
Yes, in the streets America, our nations capital.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's right shocking.

Speaker 16 (17:18):
We have seen in other countries a government use their
military to shoot protesters. What kind of governments are those?

Speaker 18 (17:26):
Well, those are banana republics, right, or authoritarian regimes. We
all remember Tianeman Square right in China.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
What then that was his That was first time.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
And here's the deal of Congresswoman Hicksath is wiping out
numerous generals, numerous leaders. They are gutting the Pentagon. They
want to put in one one hundred percent loyalists. So
Trump says shoot them. Those thugs will say they will
give the order to shoot them.

Speaker 14 (17:56):
Absolutely absolutely, And I'm worried because the young people you know,
they they want to do something, and they get very
angered by the way that they're being treated, and so
some of them, you know, start talking loud and uh,

(18:19):
they they're going to be met with guns, and I
do not want them to be shot. And that's why
I want to fight. I want to fight him with Epstein.
I want to fight him and keep to keep the
attention on what some of the Republicans are using also

(18:39):
to try and get the information. He is absolutely brazen
in the way that he's trying to avoid doing what
he promised he was going to do to his own
caucuers about revealing what's in those Epstein files. So he'll
be shocked if he walks into a protests and all

(19:01):
the signs said you and Epstein, you are a protofile
protofile lovers, What are you going to do about? Why
did you lie about Epstein? Why are you protecting Epstein?
Why is it you like a protofile you told us
that you did when you said, oh, I like girls

(19:22):
that he likes.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
I'm really young.

Speaker 14 (19:24):
What the hell you think you're gonna get away with
saying that publicly and we not know what that means.
And this business of interviewing Maxwell in the prison and
then sending her to a minimum security prison, a Cutchy
prison after the interview. Let us know a deal is

(19:44):
being cut and she's trying to rewrite history. She's a filthy, dirty,
low down pedophile that was solictiting young girls as early
as thirteen years old and now she's cutting a dell
and Trump let him.

Speaker 8 (20:00):
Get away with it, but pardoned her.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's where they're headed.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
He's dirty, low down, And you're right, these people have
said that at the end of the day, you know that,
Uh that how do you cut this deal?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
How do you cut this deal with someone allowing her out?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
And again, uh, with what they have done with Juela Maxwell.
She was absolutely in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein every step
of the way, and Donald Trump sent a high ranking
Department of Justice official get her testimony, get her testimony,

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and many of the victims have said the woman is
flat out lying. She is lying, and Republicans are accepting her.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Lies as if it was the truth.

Speaker 14 (20:55):
Absolutely, as a matter of fact, she has already been
convicted because all of the evidence has been proven of
what she has done in the solicitation and.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
The violation of young girls.

Speaker 14 (21:10):
And so now they're going to rewrite history in front
of us and take us from being damn fools that
they're gonna get away with not only doing an interview
and then starting the deal by sending her to a
cushion minimum location and leading to a pardon. She is

(21:31):
saying everything she needs to say. Oh, she's never seen
the president in a compromising position.

Speaker 8 (21:39):
She's not well.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
The lies are being constructed, and they are working on
the plan to partner her.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
That's exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Absolutely, When does Congress, When does the House? When is
Congress return back from this Mike Johnson scared to voting
on Stein's summer break, We'll be.

Speaker 14 (22:03):
Back at the beginning with the second week in September.

Speaker 19 (22:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
And to your point, I really do hope that Democrat
leadership allows do the exact same thing, because you have
Thomas Massey on that side who wanted to put it
on the record that the moment they come back, they
should say we ain't we ain't voting on nothing, moving, nothing,
discussing nothing until we deal with FC and then forced

(22:28):
and forced Mike Johnson to run.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And what is it going to do?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Say, go in for September, and if he does that,
come back in October, and you put it on the
table again in November and December and January.

Speaker 14 (22:41):
Well, what I'm going for is exactly what you're saying.
Damn this business as usual stuff. I can't do business
as usual. We need to shut this damn place down.
If you can't deal with FC, you can't run over
this like this. We have we have people from our
communities that's been in jail for marijuana. We've got people

(23:02):
who've been in jail for stealing a loaf of bread,
and here we have these crooks in these criminals. You
partner everybody from January sixth, now you're about to partner
this pedophile.

Speaker 8 (23:12):
What the hell country is this? What the hell country
is this?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Absolutely, we gotta gotta we gotta break it.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
We gotta break it.

Speaker 14 (23:21):
But it's gonna take something out of the ordinary to
break it. We can't go along in our committee testifying
about shit that don't nobody care about. We got to
say we ain't doing nothing break this stuff up until
we get Epstein and everything that he has done before somebody.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
Killed them in prison.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Absolutely, well, we've been covering this every single day.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
We're not backing down from this.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Uh, you know, we're we're exposing and trying to enlighten, inform,
educate our people every single day because too many of
us have been sitting on the sidelines line dancing, having fun.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And I'm all for that. I believe in having fun.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But the bottom line is is here the future of
Black America. The future of America's at stake, and these thugs,
we know exactly what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
He wants to be a dictator.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
He wants to crush, he wants to crush dissent. This
illegal executive order banning the burning of flags is pathetic
when the Supreme Court has already ruled on that. And
I've been saying this that he wants to defund Black America.
He wants to destroy the civil rights, the political, the economic,

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the educational, and health infrastructure of Black America.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
That is his agenda.

Speaker 14 (24:42):
He got the nerve to be in our face telling
us slavery wasn't so bad. Go to Milania's country, Slovenia,
and tell them what to do.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
Pick all that tell them what to do.

Speaker 14 (24:55):
Don't come over here telling us that our history is mean,
that it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
And we all to shut up. I am curious.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well every step of the way, Congresswoman, as you already know,
you're welcome to the show anytime, so just let us know.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And we're here five days a week.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Thank you so much. I love you. Keep it up.
You're out talking drum.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And you just had a birthday. Happy birthday.

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Thank you so very much. I'm still with it all right.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Thanks a lot, folks. That was a California congresom of
Maxine Waters, still on the wall, fighting every single day
to go to a break.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Will be right back. Roland Martin unfiltered on the Black
stud Network.

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Mean soon to the Black Star Network.

Speaker 21 (25:45):
I have name recognition, but I tour more than any rapper,
and it's a lot of overseas stuff, and it's like
I'm going all over the I've been to I've been
to eighty countries in my in my lifetime. And sometimes
I'll do interviews with people and they'd be like, so,
what you've been doing, Like what you've been doing?

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What I'm saying, like, I just came back from Belgium
and Brazil and South Africa.

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What you've been doing?

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Right this week on the other side of change.

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Three hundred thousand black women being pushed out of the workforce.
This is shocking yet unsurprising.

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Well, what happens when a bunch of black mothers use
their federal job. Their kids are not being fed, their
kids are not being taken care of. But that trick
goes down to the entire community structure which may be
built on the backs of black mothers and black.

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Women more broadly.

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This is Wendell Haskins aka Win Hogan at the original
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Speaker 3 (27:11):
All right, folks, by panel Rebecca Coruba's president and CEO
Fairy Election Center out of DC, doctor Larry J. Walker
as Social Professor University of Central Florida out of Orlando's
a Borah G. Deia consultant Employment a specialist out of Houston.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I will start with you, Rebecca. Listen.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
It is abundantly clear what we are seeing, and people
need to understand. They want to shut it all down.
They do not want fair elections. Trump is talking about
signing executive order getting rid of absentee balloting, early voting,
let's move to paper, which is stupid because he literally

(27:49):
has no jurisdiction whatsoever, whatsoever when it comes to state elections.
So that's just all nonsense. And again, and it's one
after another. And really, what this is designed, Rebecca, It
is designed to be so much crap that you numb
the audience. And we saw this, uh the last time when.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
We saw it.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And the problem is mainstream white media are grossly unprepared
for it. They are still trying to play this nice
cute game when they don't know how to respond. And
what they've done is they've capitulated. ABC firing Terry Moran,
seeing in essentially firing Jim Acosta, MSNBC firing Joy and Red,

(28:34):
cutting cutting deals, paramount CBS cutting a deal with Trump
in order to get their merger approved, Disney cutting him
a check, NBC cutting him a check. When when these
when media buckles, when media bends over, when media bowls down,
then you do not have the fourth of State there

(28:55):
to hold power accountable.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
You are mean, all right, sorry about that, Carlin, You
just said a lot. So when people think about the
Fourth of State and why it's so important it's because
when you think about the checks and balances in this country,
when you think about how Congress is supposed to check

(29:22):
the executive check the president, when you think about the
courts are supposed to check the president and check Congress.
When that's not happening, then what we have left is
for the media to actually do the fact checking, for
media to provide reliable and accurate information to the masses
so people understand what's happening. Something that you mentioned with
a vote by mail. Thing that Trump tried to say

(29:44):
last week is when the Ukrainian president was visiting in
the White House last week, Trump also said, Hey, you
know what, maybe we could suspend elections if there's an emergency,
if we're at war. Now, that's something the media absolutely
has to call out. If you listen to Eisenhower. According
to Eisenhower, we went into a militarized industrial complex, which

(30:06):
means we virtually the United States has been at war
for eighty ninety years, non stop, virtually, but we still
have elections. So for Trump to say, oh, maybe an
emergency would happened and we could suspend elections, something that
I want to remind the viewers and remind Americans. Is
that during the Civil War, when literally millions of soldiers

(30:26):
were dying on fields, when electors had a ride by
horseback and or by train to get to Washington to
cast their votes in the middle of a civil war,
we still had elections. When we had World War One,
World War two, the Korebean War, Vietnam War, when we
had unrest during the Civil Rights movement, we still had elections.

(30:47):
When we had the Bay of Pigs incident, where there
was the possibility of a nuclear war popping off at
any moment, there were still elections that happened that year.
There were still state and local elections. And so what
we have to do is start stop normalizing the crap
that the president is saying, especially when it comes to
free and fair elections. This is not normal. We should

(31:08):
not be accepting these things.

Speaker 11 (31:10):
Larry, Yeah, this is you know, this is all a
very troubling time to be an American. But you know,
you're right in terms of the media and mainstream media
in terms of their responsibility that they haven't adhere to,
in terms of making sure you hold federal, state and
local officials, you know, who are responsible for not only

(31:34):
their rhetoric but also actions. It will only be one thing. Obviously,
we deal with a lot of this, this racist rhetoric,
but we're seeing it from the executive orders and various
other decisions he's making that impacts of sect, state and
DJ and the DOE and all these other various entities.
And who's paying the price for that. We see the
black communities paying the price from that. We've talked about

(31:56):
on your show a lot several hundred thousand, you know,
three hundred and black women have lost their jobs. But
the media has a responsibility, as a record just talked about,
to focus on some of the things that they're saying. Listen,
it's become normalized and many of those these large media
outlets are completely ignoring some of the troubling things that
are saying. The other thing is rolling. The problem with

(32:16):
Americans is they don't really have context as relates to authoritarianism,
as it relates to world history and the problem and
if you look at what's happening, this is literally the
playbook for everything authoritarians have done for more than the
last century throughout the world. But once again, the country's
are ill prepare because Americans don't understand world history. Everything
is doing detecking higher education, using the US military, going

(32:39):
after you know, the media and various other entities that
are historically have kept you make sure that, you know,
politicians who gain too much power held responsible, so they're
not doing that. And so he's running wild with whatever
he wants to do and pushing you know, every every
politician it thinks that they're going to vote against something
in the House or Senate. He threatens and they just

(32:59):
kind to give up and say, well, you know, the
President's talked to me, and you know, we have some
kind of compromise. But the bottom line is we need
people to stand step ass and fight. Because you don't
fight now, we're all gonna pay the next several years.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Zbor.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I really want people to listen to what Congresswoman Maxine
Waters said, And.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I think back. I think back to the.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Black Freedom Movement and how precise Doctor King, and Andrew
Young and Joseah Williams and Dorothy Cotton, how precise those
leaders were, Diane Nash, James Bevel because they understood.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Again, I keep going back to this.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
King's King being the protagonist, said I need an antagonist,
but he also understood the safety of the people. There's
that tremendous scene in the movie Selma where the massive
after the vicious beating on bloody Sunday, and the masses
are on that bridge and King sees those troopers and

(34:10):
he then takes a knee and prays and turns around
and snick James Foreman, what was angry and upset and
the other people were upset, and King said, I was
about to lead our people into a slaughter. What we
have to recognize Donald Trump is a cannibal.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
He wants to eat people. He is itchy.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
He is itchy for people to stand before troops and
yell and scream and throw rocks and throw bottles, because
then he'll say national emergency. And now now it's yes,
as Rebecca said, I can suspend the election.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
So our protest, our response can't be muted.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
We must be.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Extremely careful with how we respond so we don't give
that thug exactly what he's looking for.

Speaker 24 (35:17):
Yeah, definitely, we have to be very clear that we
are witnessing a bully of the playground. He's not running
this country on policy, and like Maxine Water said, this
is not business as usual, and we have to attack
this strategically, we have to do this in an organized manner,
and we have to really come together, and our little

(35:40):
squabbles and arguments that are amongst ourselves isn't important at
this time.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
This is about us being unified. This is about us.

Speaker 24 (35:49):
Supporting the platforms like your platform and supporting our leaders
of right now, but at the same time making sure
that we are protecting our children d and him deploying
all of this National Guard to these places with these
vulnerable populations, like I think of the homeless that are
in Union Station, and you see this extra presence of

(36:14):
police surroundings and government forces, but they're in places where
there's no crime in those areas. Are there's limited crime
in those areas. So you know, it's a big show,
and it seems that he's setting up for something bigger
by just creating these little bread crumbs that give him
a way to be able to end at martial law

(36:35):
if he really needs it right now, and he's doing
it at the extent and at the expense of us,
of black people, of black women, of black children. You know,
all of these situations that are happening in America right now,
we've been through them before. We saw how to handle them,
and just like he has a playbook from the last
time he was in a white house, we have to

(36:56):
go to the things that we know work. We know
that the Black church too strong. We know that when
we have our own newspapers and our own media outlets,
we're going.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
To be strong. We see what our dollar has done
the target.

Speaker 24 (37:08):
And if we continue on the path where we're having
a path of least resistance but we're still resisting in
a smart manner, I think that it's.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Going to be a truth teller. You know, America is.

Speaker 24 (37:20):
In a very bad place, and racism has been at
the front of all of our journeys since before the
Civil rights, since the slave trades.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
So this is where we are and we just have
to do something different.

Speaker 24 (37:33):
We can't treat this like this as normal or like
it's not important, And we have to educate people around
us because they're not educated, they don't understand it. And
some people understand it and just feel defeated because it's
so much thrown at us every day. So I think that,
you know, we have to keep the fight and don't
give up and listen and take the lead of our

(37:55):
leaders that are still here with.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Us absolutely, and I think what we have to what
we also have to recognize.

Speaker 9 (38:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
And I'm about to bring in DC and Large Council
Member Robert White Jr.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Into this.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
This is Jay Carey. This was yesterday.

Speaker 14 (38:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
This is a veteran. Uh. This is a veteran who
stood in Laffean Park. Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
And after Trump issued his executive order, Uh, he burned
the United States flag to bring the audio up.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Have that right down?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah that I thought nobody, nobody was for. He'll be
the law that that president tried to bate.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I got accused right now.

Speaker 10 (38:46):
First Amendment right, yep.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I'm being detained because I expressed my First Amendment right
to burn the United States flag in public.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
Folks.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Now, now you may say, okay, well I don't understand
what the big deal is the counselman. Here's why I
think that's important. And we're seeing this. We're seeing members
who served in uniform showing up and standing with people
who are being attacked by ice. We're seeing veterans who say,

(39:19):
wait a minute, I thought for people to be able
to protest in the First Amendment. And so this is
one of those moments where I think folks as supposed
to be in a knee jerk reaction. There are certain
people we follow and stand behind who bring a level

(39:39):
of credibility to the conversation that is hard for the right.
What's the right going to say, Oh the hell with
those vents? Oh please, by all means do so this
is this is where we have to be very smart.
There is strategic and understand the evil that we're facing
and how we must properly respond.

Speaker 25 (40:00):
You're one hundred percent right, Roland. My message to people
who in DC every day is don't fight with aggression.
We're not going to win that You're going to play
into their plan and their narrative. Folks need to take
notes from the civil rights movement. We have to be organized,
we have to be strategic, we have to be united, because,
as you all were saying before, people's rights are being

(40:21):
violated every single day. Folks are living in fear, and
the President has said where this is going. He is
going to take a military use them against our own people,
not just in DC, but across the country. So this
is time that folks need to wake up.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Listen, y'all are in a very precarious place because Washington,
DC is not a state and the role and responsibility
that the federal government has when it comes to approving
budget cutting things, and so is not as easy for

(41:00):
DC officials to respond like other states and other governors. Take,
for instance, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy stands up massive amount
of lives talking about talking about Department Transportation taking direct
control of Washington's Union Station. Amtrak, of course, is managing

(41:23):
the nation second business hub. But the mayor says, wait
a minute, Union Station is already under the federal government
control roll it.

Speaker 26 (41:33):
The federal government owns Union Station, and I think that
I don't know the details of what will happen. If
it's just about management, that I would consider that step one.
If it's about what Union Station needs for its total transformation,

(41:53):
that would be an amazing initiative for the federal government
to take on.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I have had.

Speaker 26 (42:00):
A very early conversation when I visited the President during
his most recent transition about Union Station and how that
could represent a very significant and good investment for this region.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And Duffy then says, this is what's coming.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Look, Roland, people expect the changes to be.

Speaker 27 (42:22):
So first off, he owns Union Station, and we've had
a lot of partners that we've subleased to or we've
leased to.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
We're going to take it back and we're going to
drive out the homelessness.

Speaker 27 (42:31):
We're going to drive out the crime, and we are
going to I think bring in more retailers. I think
more customers go to be better revenue. And again, this
is our capital city. It should be beautiful, and the
president wants a beautiful capital. I want a beautiful capital.
And so this plan is going to make Union Station
represent the President's vision of what America Cannon should look like.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'm going to put this out here counts, but let's
just be perfectly clear what we're facing and that is
this here. And I saw car Role on five saw
clip he was talking about how Democrats are going to
lose this crime argument.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Let's be real clear when we talk.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
When we hear Republicans talk about attacking crime, what they're
actually saying to white people is we're going to get
those black and brown people in line.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
That's what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
And so when you start seeing polling data, how oh,
all of a sudden, it's resonating with the American people. No,
it's resonating with white Americans. White conservative Americans because we.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
All know crime.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Hardcore on crime has always been the go to of
conservatives to attack Democrats or progressives.

Speaker 25 (43:42):
And unfortunately we keep falling for it Roland. So they're
telling us exactly what they're doing. The President has put
together guards from all over the country, brought them to DC,
done an executive order, said I'm going to make a
permanent branch of the Guard and I'm gonna send them
anywhere in the country that I deem dangerous or protests

(44:02):
that I think are out of control. That's authoritarian, right.
But then the US Attorney for DC has said she's
not going to prosecute anymore crimes people carrying long guns
or rifles in DC. That's not our folks that carry that,
that's these January six ers. So the President is going
to decriminalize carrying these kind of guns, and he's going

(44:23):
to create a subset of the military here in DC
ahead of the next election. Where do we think this
is going. I mean, he's being incredibly clear about what's happening.
They're going to be tough on crime, on petty crimes
and black neighborhoods, but they're going to pardon the January
sixth riders, the insurrectionists who try to overthrow democracy. This
is absolutely crazy if we go along with any of it.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
So what are you saying to residents as to and
business owners and homeowners how they should respond.

Speaker 25 (44:59):
I'm telling people organized, and I'm doing my part. I
had a town hall on Monday just so people know
what their rights are. There were four hundred pissed off
people in that town hall saying, we are frustrated that
our local police aren't protecting us. We are frustrated with
the mayor and the council for not pushing back harder,

(45:19):
and they want us to do more.

Speaker 11 (45:22):
So now I have a follow.

Speaker 25 (45:23):
Up meeting on September eighth, where we're going to talk
about action in organization and strategy because people in DC
want to know what can we do and people outside
of DC, most of them know, this isn't just DC's fight.

Speaker 11 (45:35):
This is the nation's fight.

Speaker 25 (45:36):
So folks have got to get in now because once
this train moves, we're not going to be able to
stop it.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I have to ask you this, because it's being asked,
where's Congresswoman Ellino Holmes Norton and all this?

Speaker 10 (45:48):
Look.

Speaker 25 (45:49):
I used to work for Congresswoman Norton. And thanks to her,
we have a federal law pass in two thousand and
one that already gives authority for US to partner with
federal agencies without a federal takeover. And I don't leave
the fight to anybody. So I'm spending every day on
Capitol Hill. I met with five centate offices today, six yesterday,
about twenty last week. So we're all in this fight,

(46:11):
and I'm gonna do my piece, and I'm gonna push
everybody to do their part.

Speaker 20 (46:14):
Two.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
All right, calls, Well, appreciate it, thanks a lot. Thank
you mean why, I'm sorry, appreciate thanks.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
A lot, Rebecca.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I have to go. Look, we have to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Okay, somebody was critical David Hogg, Hold Hog, I can't
how you pronounce it? Put a video out talking about
the history or comes with Holmes Norton talking about her
civil rights history, what she has meant, but how she's
been basically am I A and all of this? And look,

(46:51):
I always say, if you do good, I'll talk about you.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
If you do bad, I'll talk about your day, I'll
talk about you.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
And I'm sorry, this is not a moment where Congresswoman
Illino Holmes Norton, who's eighty eight years old, is mia.
If you are unable, if you are the delegate of
the District of Columbia, and if you are unable to
be seen publicly to be the face of the resistance,

(47:19):
then it's time for you not to announce you're not
running for reelection in twenty twenty six. It's time for
you to resign now. And again, I have great respect
for the congresswoman, but there is no way in hell
you could have someone who is totally missing.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
She is nowhere to be found.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Okay statement was put out, but literally nowhere to be found.
That is not what the people of the District of
Columbia need right now.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
So first, I don't listen to anything that David holl
caasts to say. Now I don't take my advice for him,
But to your point, I think you're point here is
where is leadership? Does that include the congresswoman? Absolutely? Does
that include the mayor? Absolutely? Who Today the mayor said
that she welcomes the increased federal law enforcement in the district,
which is anti everything that residents of the district is

(48:17):
currently saying. Because people are scared to go out, people
are scared to sit on the front stoop. People are
scared in DC, and they're definitely looking for leadership. The
other thing that I want to call out here is
for decades there has been a push to make the
District of Columbia the fifty first state. And so one

(48:37):
thing that I have to ask the Democrats, when you
had the presidency, when you had the House, when you
had the Senate, why was it not a priority to
protect historically black city, to make sure that the type
of thing that we're seeing happening now, the type of
authoritarians that we're seeing the takeover of the District of Columbia.
Where were you? Why didn't you do anything to prevent this?

(49:00):
Why was this not passed? Why was this not considered?
I understand that, you know, I understand there's more than
just Congress voting on this. I understand there's other procedures.
But the Democrats, when they were empowered, they could have
really started on this as well. So am I going
to just put the blame on the congresswoman?

Speaker 11 (49:17):
No?

Speaker 5 (49:17):
Am I going to just put the blame on the
current mayor.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
But what I will say is that there is a
vacuum of leadership and right now there has to be
strong leadership in the district right now.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
So, Larry, I'm not putting the blame on anyone. What
I am saying is what's happening in Illinois. You see
the governor, you see the mayor, you see members of Congress,
you see county commissioners, you see aldermen.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Okay, now we know, let's just be real. The mayor of.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
DC, the police chief of DC, City Council, members of DC,
they ca an't go off because the reality is Listen,
we're sitting right now in front a Black Lives Matter
plaza that's no longer Black Lives Matter plaza because a

(50:15):
Republican said, oh, if you do not tear up that monument,
we are going to withhold a billion dollars in funding.
The city spent almost seven hundred thousand dollars to.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Tear the street up.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So the DC folks are dancing as much as they
can because they know how vindictive impunitive these people are.
But in this moment, DC needs its elected member of Congress,
and she is m Ia.

Speaker 11 (50:53):
Larry, this is I've been thinking a lot about this
about leadership. You know, it was funny you mentioned the
congress woman homes No and you know, worked on the hill,
had a chance to work at an office very closely
lived in DC for a number of years. But this
is all hands on deck. This is an unprecedented challenge
that black people in America are specifically to d C

(51:15):
for all the people that I that I know and
care about who live in the city and much broader
in terms of what is d C is an example
of what will happen in Chicago, Baltimore. You know, we
can la et cetera. And so we need transformational leadership
right now as it specifically as relates to the black community.

(51:35):
Traditional politics is not going to get it in this
unconventional time. And so you I think your your point
is an important one. You know, you can't be missing
in a time where the district has not seen and listen,
you know you and I know role in it. Their
Republican administrations to certain degrees have took a look at,

(51:57):
or critiqued or even threatened. Uh, you know, district DC leaders.
This has happened, but not to this extent when you
have the National Guard at Union Station, you know, perched
in various neighborhoods throughout the city. If we don't have
the necessary leaders elected, the leader, leaders who are visible
on the boots on the ground, and also coming up

(52:18):
with concrete examples of what we need to do, then
there's any there's an important conversation they to have. And
like I said, who someone's worked very closely with officers
of great deal respect for conversmen at Holmes Norton. We
have to have this conversation about about you know, like
I said, her absence, and also larger about you know,
black leaders and today in terms of being prepared to respond,

(52:41):
as I said, to under unconventional antics that are going
to lead to more violence and aggression directed towards the
black community.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
And the more I look, somebody has to say it
and listen. Over the last year, a lot of people
let's be respectful, let's let let's let's let's understand her history,
what she's meant. And a lot of people have done that.

(53:13):
A lot of people have been respectful. There were a
lot of people who feel she should not have run
for re election last year. And I'm sorry if you
were unable to even be seen. I'm not saying you
gotta be out there waving a flag and waving a sign.

(53:37):
She's not even present, she's not even standing next to
the mayor. And somebody has to be willing to say
and somebody black. And I don't want to hear any
bullshit from anybody. Oh, this is a this is an
attack on black women, This is an attack on black leadership.

(54:01):
We just had an eighty five year old black woman
on the show. Comes from Maxine Waters, and I'm sorry.
There are some things that you have to be able
to do.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And that is.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And I say this all the time, there's a difference
between somebody being present.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And having presence.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
The problem here is Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton. She's not
present and she's not having a presence. I get behind
the scenes, I get history, but this is a moment
where people need to see and hear their leadership every

(54:47):
single day. They need to see their leader going to
churches and rallying pastors and making.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
This the issue.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
They need to see their leader walking down the street
with a bull horn telling people to be respectful but
also don't get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
They need to see it.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I'm sorry again. I love her dearly, but right now,
Deligant Holmes Norton is failing her constituents.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
I think the bigger question to me is this is
happening in more than just DC. Right I'm looking at
Texas redistricting without having representation in certain places that have
had representation for a long time. At what point do
we say, are you holding this public service and holding

(55:44):
this office or disposition hostage. I think that it's time
for us. Respectfully, we respect everything that everyone has done
before us. We have to, and we're standing on those shoulders.
But at the same time, we are in need of
leaders who are energetic, who understand the sense of urgency

(56:04):
and understand what the community needs, and are able to, like.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
You said, just show up, just show up, just be there.

Speaker 24 (56:10):
We need to see that we're already getting bombarded with
so much information and families are scared, children are scared,
and you're trying.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
To navigate these live your life.

Speaker 24 (56:24):
But we don't have the leadership that's saying Okay, I've
been here, I did my time. But at this point,
what are we going to say about term limits and
about succession planning, and about just ending in a peaceful
way that we can celebrate you for the work that
you've done, but at the same time make some space for.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Young leaders, young black leaders.

Speaker 24 (56:44):
Young people of color that can stand up to what
we're going to be dealing with forty years from them.
These things that Trump are doing and the decisions that
he's making right now are going to impact us for
one hundred years from them. So we need leadership that
reflects dealing with those things.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
My last point on this here, I would rather someone
retire gracefully than force people to force them out. And
I'm sorry the delegates should have retired and not run
in twenty twenty four. She should not have. And what

(57:24):
I will say right now specifically to black leadership across
the country, if you are a state representative or a
state senator, or a member of Congress, or a county
commissioner or a city council member, an alderman, a DA,

(57:47):
a judge.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
A clerk.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
If you are in public office and you cannot handle
the duties of your job, if you cannot physically be
there for the people in the way that you used to,
it's time for you to go. It's time for you

(58:14):
to step away. It's time for you to have the
leadership to literally choose a successor, groom a successor, nurture
a successor, and.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Now say it's time.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Con Spen Danny Davis announced his retirement saying he's not
gonna run for reelection, and he said who he's going
to be endorsing a state rep in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Because it's time. It's time.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
If you are being wheeled around the capitol and you
can barely move and you can barely talk, and you
I'm gonna say it, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
And that goes for white people.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
That strong thermin was was dri dribbling at the mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Uh who is the white guy.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
In in West Virginia name of Escapely right now?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, yeah, yes, Robert Bird, same thing. Damn, it's time
to go. And let me be clear. Somebody's eighty eight,
ain't somebody else's eighty eight?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The same thing came out dealing with Biden. But you
may be able, you may.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Be able to sit down and and and you still
have your mind and you still see, you can make calls.
But here's what we have to recognize. The job of
an elected.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Official is also a physical job. It's a physical job.
It's not a mental job.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
It's mental and physical and so physical part means it's listen, fatterman,
he's way young younger.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
He had a stroke.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Oh, I could be I'm missing my vacation with my family. Well,
then resign and you have all the time in the
world to spend with your your.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Wife and your children to go on vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
We have to say this and see when black politicians
at first, of any politician, Okay, but I was specifically
talking to black politicians. When black politicians hold on and
hold on and they are sitting here withering on the vine, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Actually hurting Black people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
They're hurting black communities because actually they can't be fully
effective in their job because they're not present. They're not
present at committee hearings, they're not present.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
At meeting with their constituents.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
They're not present at meeting with companies and others that
trying to bring them into the district or into the
city or into the state. So sometimes, as black people,
we have to stop being so respectful of a person's

(01:01:33):
ego and recognize that a person's ego can also be
disrespectful to the voters. And I wouldn't want to have
to give this commentary. I don't want to have to

(01:01:54):
give it. But y'all know, and I know there are
a lot of black elected officials who need to go
retire to the sunset, who need to be loved and
appreciated for what they did. But just like in sports,

(01:02:17):
there's nothing worse than seeing an athlete who was beloved,
who was amazing, who had a Hall of Famer career,
just hanging on, hanging on taking them a roster spot.
No when to hang it up, no when to quit.

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And right now, Delegate Holmes Norton, you are not serving
your constituents by staying in this position. I don't know
the rules of DC when you could call a special election.
It could be in this November. But this is a

(01:03:03):
moment where we need every single one of our generals
and sergeants and captains on the battlefield.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And I'll end it with this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
If this was an actual war, she would have been
sent home because she would have been unable to fulfill
the duties needed on the battlefield. Respectfully, going to a break,

(01:03:42):
we come back, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, he joins us
right here on the Blackstar Network.

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I mean soon to the Black Star Network.

Speaker 21 (01:04:21):
and it's a lot of overseas stuff, and it's like
I'm going all over to I've been to. I've been
to eighty countries in my in my lifetime. And sometimes
I'll do interviews with people and they'd be.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
Like, so, what you been doing?

Speaker 25 (01:04:40):
Like what you've been doing?

Speaker 19 (01:04:41):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I just came back
from Belgium and Brazil and South Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
What you been doing?

Speaker 28 (01:04:48):
Right?

Speaker 27 (01:05:01):
I'm Russell o' l honore, Lieutenant Gerald United States Sorrow retired,
and you're watching Roald Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I'm felthy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Donald Trump has no respect for black people. He has
no respect for black leadership. And he is consistently targeting
black leadership. Remember twenty twenty, when he complained about losing
the election was rigged four cities. He kept bringing up Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit,
and Milwaukee. What are those four cities have in common

(01:05:39):
black people? Donald Trump is always talking about Chicago, Chicago.
He has one of his sorry Trump Towers hotels in Chicago.
But let's be clear, he doesn't give a damn about Chicago.
He uses Chicago as a whipping boy for whatever he

(01:06:03):
wants to do. And that's what the right does. Talk
to any white conservative or even the help like Phillip
from Indiana. Oh, by the way, that Negro was a
porn executive director of the Civil Rights Commission in Indiana,
you know. And so my producers sent me the Facebook link,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I responded saying, oh, you gotta witness protection.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
They love talking about Chicago. They loved bringing up Chicago.
They loved just it's always Chicago. And I told you
all the story when I was at one of those
meetings with Trump with TV anchors and he was like, well,
you know, Rom was in my office and he told
me a deal with crime in Chicago, we got to
deal with economics and poverty and education. He was like, no, wrong, wrong,

(01:06:46):
You're not getting his right, and I was like, no,
actually he is right now. Ronid Manuel ain't there. Brandon
Johnson's now the mayor, and he's been saying the exact
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And if you actually talk to any police chief, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I've actually asked the question to many of them, they
will tell you that more cops on the street does
not equate to a chain a drop in crime. Mary
Johnson joneses right now, maryor glad to be with you
right now, Glad to have you here. You on MSNBC
and Joe Scarborough's asking you over and over and over again, Oh, Mayor,

(01:07:22):
I agree with you by all the other different things,
but wouldn't to be helpful to have five thousand cops
on the street. And I saw that clip because I
don't watch that show. It's been ten years since they
had me on, because I was just way too mauthy
for them, as it happened when you're an upperty negro
to them. And the thing is I saw the clip
and I said, what hell, I'm sure the mayor would say,

(01:07:44):
can I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Have five thousand jobs for youth. Can I have five
thousand new affordable housing units? And see, we want to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Talk about more cops, more cops, and more cops, but
even cops will tell you that does not fix the
crime issue.

Speaker 9 (01:07:59):
Mayor No, you're absolutely right, Roland, and thanks for having
me back. Appreciate the consciousness that you are elevating across
this country and what we've said repeatedly that policing alone
is not going to drive safe and affordable cities. And
I've expressed this multiple occasions. In the nineties when I

(01:08:19):
was in high school, where the murder rate was as
high as nine hundred and sometimes above nine hundred, we
had two to three thousand more police officers at that time,
and so there's no correlation between the number of police
officers and violence. But what we do know there is
a direct correlation between poverty and trauma and violence. And
you know, we have a president that has declared war

(01:08:42):
on poor people. And as you know so well, and
you eloquently express all the time, that that's one of
the three evos that doctor Kane provided a warning to
this country that if we don't address those three evos,
racism of course being one of them, militarism of course
being one of them.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
And then right, and so.

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
What I've done in the City of Chicago is I've
worked hard to make sure that the neighborhoods that have
been most impacted by violence that are also the same
neighborhoods where schools have been closed, where the lack of
access to health care and good paying jobs.

Speaker 10 (01:09:15):
And so what did I do when I took office.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
One, We made sure that we revamped our Detective's division,
where we promoted two hundred more detectives to make sure
that we're actually solving violence in Chicago. One of the
things that I've heard repeatedly that's quite frustrating for families.
It's one thing to lose your loved one to violence
or to you know, end up being experience having violent experiences.

(01:09:40):
It's another thing when you don't solve the crime. And
so because we revamped our entire Detective's division, we have
seen a clearance rate of six seventy six percent, almost
seventy seven percent, the highest has ever been in a decade.
But where we really put our investments towards was youth employment.
Thirty one thousand, one hundred and nineteen summer jobs. I
live on the West Side out of Chicago in Austin.

(01:10:01):
I know you're familiar with Chicago and the neighborhoods here
in Austin one of the tougher neighborhoods. Because of disinvestment,
we saw some of the greatest declines in Austin, but
we also saw the highest proportion of young people with
summer youth jobs.

Speaker 10 (01:10:14):
Right, so we've increased that by almost fifty percent.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
But we've also expanded mental and behavior health care services.
Reopened three mental health clinics, the first mayor since Mayor
Hair Washington to invest in mental health clinics. But we've
also have expanded mental health service Wa.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, you
said the first mayor since Hair Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Hair Washington died in nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
That's correct, that's thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It's thirty eight years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:10:43):
Yeah, now we're talking about severe disinvestment. When Mayor here
Washington died, there were nineteen mental health clinics, but I
took office there were barely six. And so we've also
expanded mental and behavior health care services around the city
so that when people are experiencing mental health crises, you
have a paid professional behavioral health professional that shows up

(01:11:06):
to those crises and not a police officer, and that
frees up our law enforcement to respond to the other
critical needs. But there was something else that we did.
We are stabilizing our communities by repopulating these neighborhoods with
affordable units. We're on pace to build nearly ten thousand.
We're focusing by the end of my first term. We're
focusing on the West and South side of Chicago, where

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you know, as I've called it, the Negro Removal Act
has been in full effect, where black folks have been
pushed out of the very communities that you know have
historically been stabilizing neighborhoods for the working class.

Speaker 10 (01:11:41):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
And so here's what we've experienced as a result of that,
thirty two percent reduction in homicides, almost forty percent reduction
in shootings and shooting victims, thirty five percent reduction in robberies.
Are carjackings that has declined significantly. Now look, the last
thing that I'll say on this, we have a lot
of work to do. Don't don't misunderstand me, but we

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are moving in the right direction as we build safe
and affordable communities across Chicago. And the way we're doing
that is by investing in people, so policing and the
critical investments that ultimately get at the root causes of violence.
That's how we've been able to experience this progress in
my first two years in office.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
The you know, I saw the news conference the other
day with Governor Pritzker.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
You spoke for the Flagler and others as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Uh and in Trump's desire to uh send the national
reguards like oh I wish they would call, which they
would call? And what's interesting is and this is why
I really despise these national media outlets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
And in fact, I want to play this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
You know, you keep you keep getting no God, get
this cueued up, y'all know what I'm talking about. You
keep You got some maga folk in the media in
Chicago who want who keeps trying to antagonize you, and
they throw these questions out and you try your best
not to have to deal with their nonsense. I saw

(01:13:12):
this earlier today. Go ahead and play it, and I
want to talk about it.

Speaker 29 (01:13:15):
Go I'm wondering if you have any concerns that all
of this pushback against Trump knowing how he responds to that.
If it might kind of be like poking the Barracuy
vote and could make things worse, he could actually provoke
him to follow through with this talk about sending in
the National Guard, when yesterday he.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Seemed to waffle. Could this make things worse?

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
All this pushback, standing in unity is actually what's necessary
when you're fighting against tyranny.

Speaker 10 (01:13:48):
I mean, could you imagine.

Speaker 9 (01:13:49):
If descendants has a descendant of slaves, if my ancestors would.

Speaker 30 (01:13:54):
Have had that same Rajinelle, Let's not fight against the Confederacy.

Speaker 9 (01:13:57):
Let's let's just try to get along and maybe one
day they'll give us our freedom.

Speaker 10 (01:14:03):
Nowhere in the history of America.

Speaker 30 (01:14:04):
Or the world where marginalized people have sat silent and
idle and they've been able to actually achieve justice and liberation.
The fact that you have a unified front in Chicago
where we are rejecting the occupation by the military of
our cities.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
That's actually fighting for our democracy. That's what's required in
this moment. Bleeding in this moment takes a great deal
of courage, But we stand on the shoulders of so
many people that have come before us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
We have seen these.

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
Type of tyrannical acts before. One thing that we know
for sure, when we fight back against tyranny, the people
united will always prevail.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Man. Basically're like, well, man, why don't you just give up?

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Why don't you just why don't you just shut up,
be quiet and take it. That's literally what they're asking
you to do, as if you were not elected by
the people, as if the alderman at least, as it's
the governor.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
That's what's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Oh, just let the wanna be dictator be a dictator
in sh You just need to be quiet, you.

Speaker 10 (01:15:17):
Know, Roland.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
First of all, I wish I could just have you
around when these you know, asinine questions are put before me,
because you know, you know, we have to maintain a
certain level level of decorum, even if others don't.

Speaker 10 (01:15:31):
Play by those same rules.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
But one thing that I know for sure that in
every instance, when the people have spoken with conviction and
truth and have come together to display that collective power,
we are always better off having fought back against you
know these again as I described them, the tyrannical reign

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of this administration. And and here's the thing, man, we
are part of a rich hit in this country. And
then because you know Chicago so well, when doctor King
came to the city of Chicago, he set up his
family on the West Side in North Longdale, fighting for
fair housing right. And something that he did experience here

(01:16:15):
in Chicago was something that he said he hadn't experienced
anywhere else in the country. But he was very clear
that if we're able to do it right in Chicago,
we can take that around the country.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
He actually literally said in the book it was quughted
in Fire on the Prairie. He said, Man, if we
could convince the Chicago Negro, we could convince every Negro
in America.

Speaker 10 (01:16:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
I mean, I do always like your role in Martinisms
to be able to really capture the essence of what
he was getting at. And so when I heard that question,
you know, I thought about those very words. And we
are convinced in Chicago that we can build safe and
affordable communities and you know, a military, militarized forces, and

(01:17:03):
an occupation of our city.

Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
That is not how you build communities.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
That is not how you feed and put food in
the mouths of people. That's not how we you know,
restore our public education system that works for everyone. That's
not how you you know, drive down unemployment. And so yes,
it's it's coming upon us in this moment to recognize
that this is the season that is upon us, that

(01:17:28):
it's our turn essentially to do the work for posterity.
And you know, this is the city of course that
said keep up Alive, right where Reverend Jackson opened up
opportunities for mayors to win across this country. It made
it possible for us to say, yes we can. I mean,
we're I to b Wells and her literature and her
writings begin to tell the story of how these egregious

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and acts of brutality are harming our.

Speaker 10 (01:17:54):
Brothers and sisters.

Speaker 9 (01:17:55):
And so that is the spirit in which I lead
with that those individuals. It possible for a working class,
middle child, former public school teacher and union organizer to
be in this position of power. And here's the thing
that's that's actually comforting for me. I know we're not
alone though, Roland. You know, Brandon Scott, the work that

(01:18:15):
he's doing in Baltimore, Pakistan, in the city of Chicago,
Randall Woodfin mayor wood Fin and Birmingham is going to
get another term. And the work that he's doing that's
very community focused. And of course our two sisters in California,
you know, Mayor Barbara Lee and Mary Karen Bass. To
the point that you made earlier, you're seeing black mayors
all over the country invest in our communities, right, and

(01:18:40):
we're seeing the returns of those investments. And I wish
I could go, you know a little bit further Roland,
because today I got a report from my chancellor of
our community colleges and he talked about how enrollment is
up in our community colleges and the number one subgroup
that's rolling enrolling in our community colleges are young Black men.

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
Wow, young black men, right.

Speaker 9 (01:19:02):
And you have Latin A men who are coming in second.
And so people are inspired in this city because we're
creating jobs where you have billions of new dollars of
investment that's creating hundreds of thousands of construction jobs. We're
building affordable homes with a program called the Missing Middle,
where we have owner occupied units that we're building, and

(01:19:24):
this is going to allow generational wealth to be created
as we have developers that are building multi units that
they live in and rent to other people to and
the six developers that are moving forward with this new program.
Five of them are black, three of them are black women.

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These are the investments that people expected me to make
when I made a commitment to serve this city. And
regardless of what's coming from the federal government, I'm going
to do everything in my power to make sure that
our people experience the wholeness of what government has to
offer for to live vibrant and healthy lives.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Well, I'm very familiar with City College of Chicago. My
wife was a vice president at Kendy King College when
we lived there, uh and my man Wayne when he
led it, so I know it very well. Last question
for you. You talked about those stats two days ago,
you dropped this pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Let's go to my iPad and you and again.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Violent crime overall down twenty one point six percent, homicides
down thirty two point three percent, Overall shooting incidents down
thirty seven point four, Multi victim shooting incidents forty four
point six, roberts thirty one point nine, Vehicular hijack is
down forty nine percent, Aggravated assault eighteen point one percent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
It would be different.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
If the thug in chief because I don't call him
president because he's not to earn my respect for that title.
Matter of fact, when I was in when I was
anchor meeting, I couldn't even say the name president because
it was just too disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
But that's neither hell nor there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
It would be different if if he came to you
or the governor and said, amazing job you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
How can we double those numbers?

Speaker 10 (01:21:07):
How?

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
What would you suggest? What do you need from us
to actually do this? Instead, what you have is someone
who wants to use brute force, who wants to shame, ridicule,
trash you, trash the governor, trash Democrats. He's literally said
he hates Democrats. But this is somebody who's supposed to
represent all people, So it has to be it has

(01:21:32):
to be unsettling, especially also to watch a Republican party
that supposedly doesn't like big government, that supposedly loves local
control except when it's black people leading, and when it's
Democrats leading.

Speaker 10 (01:21:49):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 9 (01:21:50):
I mean, when I taught seventh and eighth grade social
studies and taught the Constitution, you know those you know,
the Bill of Rights makes it very clear about you know,
state autonomy, and this is something that the Republican Party
and Conservatives has herald as you know, quintessential to their
value system, and they totally are moving in an opposite direction.

(01:22:11):
And in fact, what he's proposing is the antithesis to
you know, what it means to have the type of
local control and involvement. You know, we would welcome that conversation, Roland.
And one of the things that he could do right
away is restore the over eight hundred million dollars that he,
you know, stole from community Violence Intervention Workers program that
has been successful all over the country. He would restore Medicaid,

(01:22:34):
he would restore SNAP, he would you know, stop defunding
our public schools.

Speaker 10 (01:22:38):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
He would help us build more affordable housing units. And
here's the part that's actually really disappointing is that my
police department has collaborated with the federal government to remove
guns off the streets of Chicago. You know, Roland, We
you know, removed over one hundred and fifty guns just
a couple of weeks ago off the streets of Chicago
that had been trafficked in from Mississippi in Indiana. You

(01:23:01):
know what I'm getting there, yep, Right, So you know,
there's coordination that could be done, but he hasn't expressed
any interest in doing that. That's why it's very clear
he's not committed to working people. He's not committed to
solving the challenges that we're experiencing. Again, presidents used to
declare war on poverty. This president has declared war and
poor people. But in the city of Chicago, we're going

(01:23:21):
to continue to invest in people. And my vision is
to build the safest, most affordable big city in America,
and we're doing that in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Well, Mayor, we appreciate that. Again, it's great to see
those crime numbers down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I lived there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
I remember, I remember the shootings and the people who
were protesting and who were crying, and who were at
the funerals and things along those lines. And the job
that you're doing, the job that Mayor Scott is doing
in Baltimore should be commended in praise and not be
attacked as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
And let me also thank you again.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
When I did my show last week from Chicago O'Hair Airport.

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
Don't mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
I was just no, no, we're good, We're good. But
it was.

Speaker 10 (01:24:02):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
But again, but here's a deal.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
A couple of a couple of several of the officers
came by and some other United people and they say, Man,
we watched the show, brother, we appreciate it. And they
hung with me until I packed up all the stuff.
We're all good, so so again, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
Hey man, look, Chicago, I know you know you're proud,
you know, Houston night. But man, Chicago loves you. Appreciate
the work that you've done here in the work that
you're doing for our country. I really do mad respect
for your roleing Man, appreciate your brother, love.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
You, Thanks so much, appreciate it. Take care, folks. We're
gonna go to a break.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
We're gonna come back talk with our panel, and then
also coming with at the bottom of the hour, Man,
I got a brother out of the Fulton County. He says,
I'm gonna go to jail before I let these two
craze election deniers on the elections board.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Y'all, it's a lot. We got to talk about rolling
mock unfiltered on the Black Shut Network.

Speaker 17 (01:24:53):
This week. On the other side of change, three hundred
thousand black women being pushed out of the workforce.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
This is shocking yet surprising.

Speaker 22 (01:25:00):
Well, what happens when a bunch of black mothers lose
their federal job. Their kids are not being fed, their
kids are not being taken care of. But that trick
goes down to the entire community structure, which may be
built on the backs of black mothers and black.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
Women whore broadly.

Speaker 24 (01:25:14):
Tune in on the other side of change only on
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Carr, we
welcome the Black Star Network's very own Roland Martin, who
joins us to talk about his new book White Feet,
How the Briding of America is making white folks lose
their minds. The book explains so much about what we're
going through in this country right now and how as

(01:25:41):
white people head toward becoming a racial minority, it's going
to get well, let's just say, even more interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
We're going to see more violence, We're going to see
more vitriol, because as each day passes is it is
a mail in beb Coffin.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
The one and only Roland Martin on the next Black
Table right here on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
Hello, I'm a Risin Mitchell a new Sacred Posts five DC.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 24 (01:26:14):
A Stammi Roman and you are watching Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Larry, you know, to sit there and listen to Mayor
Johnson talking.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Listen. He has had a hell of the first.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Two years, poll numbers, people under attack, but you cannot
deny the success there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
The same thing with Mayor Brandon Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
A lot of people critical of Mayor Randa Woodford in Birmingham.
My offer brother last night seventy five percent of the vote.
He was re elected. These brothers and sisters. He mentioned
Barbara Lee in Oakland, mentioned Karen Bassett La. They are
taking on difficult jobs. And I don't think people understand

(01:27:06):
how hard it is to be an elected official, to
be a mayor, and you were trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Fix problems that predated you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
And what we know, Larry, is that black elected officials
often when they come in, folks are expecting them to
be the savior. And specifically it's talk about Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I was there. I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Lord Lightfoot got four years. Johnson beat her. You got
folks who are abandoning Johnson. But it's amazing how they
didn't abandon Richard Day. It's amazing how he damned it
was the mayor of twenty some odd years and they
gave him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
He signed one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Worst deals ever where he gave up the parking meter
proceeds for damn near one hundred years for a short
term cash infusion to fix a problem. And it's called
one of the worst deals in American history.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
But when it comes to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Black leadership, we expect them, Larry, to come in as
Jesus and to blow breadth into these cities that are
living Lazarus. But when you have these white leaders even
we give them lots of runway.

Speaker 11 (01:28:28):
Yeah, as you said, black folks are expected to make,
you know, turn water into wine, and it doesn't work
that way. And you talk about Chicago, we certain talk
about Baltimore, Thesea historically large underserved cities because they're predominantly black,
and we have to talk about that. And you're right,
you know, and this is an issue that you know,

(01:28:49):
black mayors in particular have dealt with for decades Roland.
But even we talk about, you know, now, what's happening.
These mayors have turned around violent crime and these cities
that once again historically have been you know, underserved, and
you know, credits to the mayor and I know it's
you know, it's poll numbers have been been challenging, and
you highlighted some of the other issues he's dealt with.

(01:29:10):
But one of the things he has to deal with,
not only in terms of you know, the data clearly
shows that violent crime, you know, and some of the
other issues are down, is this is a battle, a
battle against misinformation. This is not it's not about what
the data says anymore. This is a fight, multi platform
fight to inform the public. Some people who live in
your jurisdiction, who you serve and voted for you, and

(01:29:32):
those outside the counter the narrative that black folks in
cities like Chicago and Baltimore are violent and historically that's
why crime is committee is because of black folks, which
is racial stereotypes. So and then on top of that,
being a black mayor have the expect these you know,
we always say we work twice as hard these high expectations.

(01:29:53):
Despite once you said, the historical under investment in black
communities in Baltimore City. We have to note that Baltimore
is essentially when it comes to housing discrimination, essentially it
was the episode of all these you know, blockbustering some
of these other historical you know, racist housing policies started
in Baltimore City, so we have to really talk about

(01:30:16):
historical context. We can also talk about, you know, law
enforcement violence against black community, particularly in Chicago. We know
a lot a lot about that and in Baltimore. But
once again is you know, you asking for miracles and
and one and it's two cities. We highlighted Baltimore. In Chicago,
we've seen these crime numbers twenty thirty fifty percent, and
it's amazing to see that they should be getting. You know,

(01:30:37):
we should offer them kudos and then we should offer
more investment to invest in youth programs as the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
More we're asking for miracles in just two years for
problems that have been entrench for twenty thirty forty. You
heard the mayor say that when it came to opening
new mental health areas, first one since Hairwatch. That was
that was almost forty years ago.

Speaker 24 (01:31:02):
We're looking at how they are still cutting mental health.
Right They've cut three hundred and ten million dollars in
this new build.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
This proposed bill that's coming.

Speaker 24 (01:31:12):
Youth programs are being cut, Food assistant is being cut.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
So it's like on one end.

Speaker 24 (01:31:18):
You're saying you're going to over police and add National Guard,
and add all of these militarized.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Boundaries in place.

Speaker 24 (01:31:26):
But you're taking away all the things that Baltimore is
proven works, these trauma programs, these youth job programs, building
community trusts, and you're not giving them the resources they
need to be successful. I watch those clips and I'm like, Okay,
we know this works, but you're trying to say, hey,

(01:31:46):
let's defund research. So even the facts of what we
know work, you're trying to take away all of the
money that we need to continue to understand and learn
how to improve these situations.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
We can reduce crime.

Speaker 24 (01:32:00):
It's very clear if you add these programs, if you
make sure that disable individuals are getting what they need,
youth are getting what they need, These individuals that could
be stimulating this community and having something to do, but
we keep decreasing our We have a sixteen percent cut
in youth programs.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
So all of those things are things.

Speaker 24 (01:32:23):
That are really important and we're just overlooking it, ignoring it,
and dumping money into things like cleaning up the homeless
and you spending a million dollars a day, But you
could easily take care of the homeless if you have
programs that did these things, and you use that money
to fund those type of programs.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
But what we have in our country, Rebecca, is this
and people, and we just need to go ahead and
put it out there. You got people who I work hard,
look at them, lazy bums. Why should we support them?
But then over here, oh my god, we will roll
out the carpet offer, tax incentives, tax interram and financing districts,

(01:33:06):
all sorts of things for billionaire developers. We'll sit here
and approve funding for billion dollar palatial sports stadiums for
NFL teams in Major League Baseball and the NBA teams
and not bet an eye, and we're talking about multi billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
It goes to show you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
The psychosis of American voters elected officials in terms of
how people think. But to me, you cannot complain about
problems if you're unwilling to fund the things that can
fix the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Well, Roland, let's actually call it what it is. Public
policy in America centers whiteness. White people feel safer when
there's more police and when there's more guns on the
street from having law enforcement. But we know studies and
research in the data shows quantitative data, not just ploitative
data shows that when there's an increase in police that's

(01:34:03):
actually not good for black communities. So at some point
we have to stop going by fillings, especially the fillings
of white people in this country, as a pretext for
policy and actually look at the root cause and figure
out things that actually help communities across the country. If
this country was interested in reducing crime, reducing poverty, making
sure that everyone who is on has housing, making sure

(01:34:26):
that we have proper and adequate education in this country,
then they will actually be investing into resources. And the
greatest resource in this country is its people. But when
you see leadership as a lack of empathy, when you
see leadership that centers whiteness, then we're going to keep
having these disparate outcomes and we're going to keep going

(01:34:47):
the direction that we're going in this country. And one
thing that we see is when you have a low
informed electorate, you get people like the orange man in
the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Absolutely, oh quick break, and when we come back, man,
the madness that's happening in Fulton County. Republicans are demanding
literally threatening Fulton County commissioners.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
It'll put them in jail if they.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Don't put election denials on the election board. I'm gonna
talk with one commission and says, if I gotta go
to jail to keep those fools off, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
They're watching roland Mark on Field on the black Star Network.

Speaker 20 (01:35:27):
Coming soon to the black Star Network.

Speaker 21 (01:35:30):
and it's a lot of overseas stuff, and it's like,
I'm going all over the I've been to I've been
to eighty countries in my lifetime. And sometimes I'll do
interviews with people and they'd.

Speaker 8 (01:35:47):
Be like, so, what you been doing?

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Like what you've been doing?

Speaker 19 (01:35:51):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I just came back
from Belgium and Brazil and South Africa.

Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
What you been doing?

Speaker 28 (01:35:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
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Speaker 14 (01:36:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Republicans in Georgia are demanding that two critics of the
twenty twenty election be appointed to the Fulton County Elections Board.
My next guest says, oh, hell no, they're threatening the commissioners.
We're putting them in jail if they don't do it.
Marvin Arrington Junior joins us right now on the show

(01:37:00):
to have you here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
So for people who.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Don't know what the hell is going on in Fulton
County and in Georgia.

Speaker 31 (01:37:08):
Well Roland, unfortunately, we're seeing the fall of democracy not
only at the federal and state level, but now also
at the local level. In Fulton County. The Fulton County
Elections Board is comprised of five members, two nominations from
the Democratic Party, two nominations from the Republican Party, and

(01:37:30):
the chair of the Election Board is nominated by the
Fulton County Board of Commissioners. The Republicans have nominated two
people who are not only election deniers, but they're actually
obstructionists and have no good intentions towards Fulton County government.

(01:37:53):
And so when the motion was made to appoint them,
I actually did a substitute motion and to file their
nominations in order to prevent the Republican Party from bringing
those two names back. Now, we're not against voting or
supporting or appointing Republican Party members, but what has happened

(01:38:17):
is since twenty twenty two, the MAGA Republicans have taken
over the Fulton County Republican Party. And so what we're
dealing with is the Maga Republicans who are trying to
put their people in place and basically do whatever they
can to obstruct the election, obstruct the elections coming up.

Speaker 10 (01:38:38):
And so.

Speaker 31 (01:38:40):
You know, they were my motion, my substitute motion passed
five to two to prevent these two names from coming back.
They went to a judge and the judge said that
we are compelled to vote for them, that county shall

(01:39:01):
appoint from their nominations. Now, the way I read that
is that the Board of Fulton County Board of Commissioners
are the only people that can appoint, and that the
parties can nominate.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Right, I mean that's the nomination.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
That's called a suggestion, that's called a recommendation, but not oh,
you are mandated.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
A matter of fact.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That was a matter of fact. That was a This
actually was in the West Wing. That was an episode
of the West Wing where the Martin Sheen was like,
I'm going to consider someone else. That's like, well, you
can't do that, because historically this is always what happened.
The Republicans appointed this person and Democrats U point this
person and you follow recommendations. He's like, no, I'm not

(01:39:50):
going to do that, and it became a thing. So
this is the idea that you're compelled. I'm sorry, y'all
already elected.

Speaker 31 (01:39:57):
Yeah, there are no one can tell me how to vote,
right right. I vote my conscious So the judge cannot
tell me to vote for any person or any issue
or any item on the agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Just like you can't tell the judge how to rule precisely.

Speaker 31 (01:40:16):
And so they're in lies the rub right. The judge
is saying that Fulton County has to do it. And
typically what happens the parties nominate someone, just like with
a presidential nomination, it needs Senate confirmation. The parties typically
don't even nominate someone that they know can't get past
the confirmation or that will not be appointed. And so

(01:40:40):
here we are having them again trying to push the limits.
And so the judge ordered us to appoint them. We
appealed that ruling, and typically there is an automatic state
when you appeal. However, for this injunction, there's no automatic stay.

(01:41:01):
So we had to ask the court to stay the enforcement.
The court denied that. We asked the Court of Appeals
to stay the enforcement, and they denied. The staying of
the enforcement pending the outcome of the appeal, and so
I assume that we will be back. We will likely

(01:41:23):
file another notice of appeal to today's order. Today's order,
Roland is crazy. The judge rule today that Fulton County
will now have to pay ten thousand dollars a day
until we appoint these members, and that to me violates
my right to vote, amongst a whole bunch of other rights, right,

(01:41:47):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
It's to me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
I don't understand how a judge can say, no, you
are compelled to vote for them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I mean, let's just take the United States Senate. The
Senate advises and consent.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
President appoints federal judges, Supreme Court nominees.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
That's a committee hearing, go through the process.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
This doesn't say that, oh, well, because the President appoints them,
you have to vote for them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Even if it's your own party. You can vote however
you want to, right.

Speaker 31 (01:42:17):
And so the idea that this judge can tell us
that we absolutely have to vote for these people is like,
I can't comprehend it, right, And you know, as a commissioner,
I have a right to vote, yay, I have a
right to vote. Nay, I have a right to abstain.
I have a right to not vote at all. At

(01:42:38):
the last meeting on Wednesday, the nineteenth, I was actually
in the hospital, so I wasn't even there. So the
judge can't even compel us to attend or show up
at a meeting, let alone how to vote at that meeting.
And so I think the judge's reasoning is flawd. I
think the cases that he relies on is flawed because

(01:43:00):
the case that he relies on talks about a superior
court clerk having to do their job. Well, Superior court
clerks have to accept filings, They have to accept all filings.
Their job is mandatory, not discretionary. My job as a commissioner,
every vote that I have is discretionary.

Speaker 10 (01:43:19):
And so the.

Speaker 31 (01:43:21):
Judges, I think invading my right to vote. And I
think that's a violation of my constitutional right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Last question before I go to about panel.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
So, okay, this is so this is a county elections board, right?

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Aren't there other commissions in Fulton County?

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
And don't y'all approve who sits on those commissions and boards?

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Yes, we do.

Speaker 31 (01:43:51):
They all are a little different. This one is a
result of a local law from the state legislature, and
so you know, we're obviously gonna have to try to
work with our state partners to try to amend this language.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Right for people who don't know, Again, this is Republicans
in the state Capitol passing a law specifically for Fulton
County to mandate y'all do what they want to do. So,
in essence, this is the state trying to usurp your

(01:44:27):
power as the county commissioner.

Speaker 31 (01:44:30):
Yes, and we have home rule and the local laws
should take precedents. But you know, we're just trying to
deal with this thing the way it's written, and there's
no there is no remedy for what happens if we.

Speaker 10 (01:44:47):
Don't appoint right.

Speaker 31 (01:44:49):
The law is silent on that matter, and so we're
gonna have to try to work with our local delegation,
our Fulton County delegation. But obviously, you know, the Republicans
have control of the State House and the State Senate.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Actually, last question, do y'all have to put it on
the agenda?

Speaker 31 (01:45:08):
Well, I thought my motion to file would have prevented
it from coming back on the agenda. That was my
intention was to not have either of these two names
come back. But yes, the Republican Party could nominate two
new people, two people that they think could pass. And again,
it's not that we don't want to vote for a Republican.

(01:45:30):
I've been on the commission for eleven years now, and
I've voted for numerous Republicans to serve on the election board,
just not these two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
All right, Commission Arrington, we appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:41):
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Let me go on panel here, Rebecca, I'll start with you.
This is what people need to understand. What's happening all
across this country. Republicans where they control the legislature. This
is happening in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Arkansas.

(01:46:05):
All they're passing law saying we're gonna tell you what
to do. Memphis passes a law when it comes to
police stops. The Tennessee legislature says, oh no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Forget that, you can't do that. I'm sorry, how do
you telling us?

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
The governor of Tennessee has unveils this elon Musk, whatever
the hell it was a thing in Nashville, doesn't invite
the state rep who represents Nashville and the airports in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
That this is what Republicans are doing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
They are using their state power to force local folks
to do whatever they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
And in so many of these places it's black leadership.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
So it's like Roland, I was thinking the entire time
during that segment. I really wanted to ask them, like
who's your account? So, like who's your attorney? At this point,
he needs to go to appeal because what the judge,
the lower court judge said doesn't even make sense. But
here's the next thing. Okay, so who's going to jail you?

(01:47:13):
Who's going to prosecute you? Because the last time I checked,
Finding Willis is still the DA of Fulton County. So
Finding Willis his office says that we will not we
will decline to prosecute you, commissioner. Then what happens next?
So I hear a whole bunch of well, these people
are saying, but it's a bunch of low literacy people
who don't know anything about civic engagement, don't know anything

(01:47:35):
about civics. Try to tell a lot of black leadership
what they can and can't do. So we still have
laws here, and these commissioners the commissioner is not compelled
on how to vote. Now, if there's a requirement, hey,
you need to show up and you need to vote, that,
you can argue that whether or not that commissioner actually
indeed has to show up and perform their elected duties.

(01:47:59):
But to compel them to vote a certain way, that
they can't do that. So I really want to ask
who's your counsel who's advising you here? Because it's just,
on its face, well, this is not something that could
be done.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
But the problem here, Larry, is that because it was
a state law.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
So the conflict here is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
The republic the Republicans and the legislature passed the law
to mandate counties do these things. And so this is
the county saying, hey, we think your law, frankly is unconstitutional.
The judge is saying, oh no, that's the state law.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
You got to follow it.

Speaker 12 (01:48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:48:38):
And you know, it's always interesting how when it comes
to rules and regulations, you know, it varies, right, So
if it's you know, if it's about power and control
and we're dealing with black folks and you want to
put them under your boot, then the will laws matter
when in the reverse is in case, then it comes
to independence and you know, trying to do things to
make sure you you know, improve you know, aspects of

(01:48:59):
the community. Then it's something that you're not you're not
allowed to do, so it's it's really a contradiction. And
as we just heard this, this really makes absolutely no sense.
How can you mandate that someone goes a specific way?
And Roland, I'm glad you highlighted what'll received these you know,
these Republican legilators throughout throughout the country, including Florida, in

(01:49:20):
terms of forcing black slash democratic county cities, et cetera,
to do exactly what they want to do with which
are rarely are in the best interests of the constituents
in which these leaders you know support. We just hat
the mayor from Chicago on a talking about that. So
this is another example that of the difference between democracy

(01:49:41):
and power we see in the United States. There's no
focus on democracy. This is about power and forcing you
to do something. Uh, for individuals to be you know,
placed in this position of power where they can do things,
and we already heard a lot about in terms of
the kind of backgrounds and interests these individuals has in
terms of their right wing. You know i D ideology

(01:50:01):
is make you do things that you don't want to
do because you know that there is going to cause
short and long term problems. And we know, as we
just happening here in the next a year or two
in terms of very important elections in Georgia, that can
really once again, you know, going out of direction in
terms of whether it's you know, we have maintained a
Democratic seat or you lose a Democratic seat and Rowland.

(01:50:22):
That's really what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
And this why, this is why is the board I
keep telling people why there has to be a fight
on for these state rep seats to keep the Republicans
from being able to have super majorities, because if they
have a super majority.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Then they can pass these laws.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
That's the problem in Tennessee that the city of Nashville
literally had a civilian review board. The Tennessee legislature outlawed
that say oh no, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Last night, That's why this is important.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Iowa Democrats flipped a Republican hill state senen See flipped it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
By twenty points.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
What does that now mean The GOP doesn't have a
supermajority in the in the Iowa Senate Caitlyn Dre beat
Republican Christopher Proach and especially election and for District one
in western Iowa's Woodberry County, she won a fifty percent
of the vote.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
That process forty four procious forty four percent.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
This is this is the district that Trump won by
eleven percent. You talked about a twenty point flip. But
this is why the strategy has to change. So when
I talk to people, when they talk about, oh man,
we got to take control of the North Carolina of
this or the text, no no, no no. The first
thing you have to do is you have to pinpoint

(01:51:43):
how many seats do you need to win to first
break the supermajority. Then you then look at those districts
where the votes mobilizing organized to first do that. Then
the second wave is after you've broken the supermajority, meaning
they have to talk, they need Democrat votes to pass stuff.
Then you say, how do we now take control of

(01:52:06):
the House or the Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
That has to be the in Texas, same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
As long as Republicans in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee,
South Carolina, as long as they have North Carolina and
look that they won the one seat, breaking the super
majority there. As long as they have a super majority,

(01:52:32):
they can do whatever they want. That has to be
the strategy first to break the supermajority of Republicans in
these states.

Speaker 24 (01:52:41):
Definitely, we see that they're just doing what they want.
When we look at in Texas with Nicole Collier the
representative there, they keep changing the rules, making them different,
making people to sign permission slips, are forcing people to vote.
You have all these things going on, and this is
when we really have to nize and make sure we

(01:53:04):
understand that this is voter suppression.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
It is finest. This is what they've been doing.

Speaker 24 (01:53:10):
They've saw progress when you see all of the things
that happen with safety A rooms in Georgia and now
it's been a fight ever since. You see these things
where you see progress and movement.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
But if we.

Speaker 24 (01:53:25):
Don't organize and understand that breaking these supermajorities is our
number one priority right now so that we can have
a fighting chance, because they're already doing what they want
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
So if we don't come up with a solution that
attacks them right.

Speaker 24 (01:53:40):
Where they're at and we're doing it strategically, and we're
really making sure that we're not allowing these supermajorities to
perform and to keep forming, and we're not getting people
out to vote. It's too many black people in the
South and people of color in the South. If we
come together and make sure that we're showing up at
the polls, even in mid term elections, even in special elections,

(01:54:04):
we can stop some of these things from happening and
from continuing to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Rebecca big win for voting rights in Pennsylvania. Federal appeals
court rule the state cannot discard mail in ballots merely
because the voter wrote the wrong date or failed to
write a date on the return envelope.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
The judges declare that this practice.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Is unconstitutional, as it imposes on air an unfair burden
on voters without effectively preventing fraud. In previous elections, thousands
of ballots were rejected due to minor technical errors like these,
disproportionately affecting Democrats who are more likely to vote by mail.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
This is a huge, huge thing here. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Granted, we know they're going to appeal, Rebecca, but this
is one of the This is one of those ways
that Republicans when they pass these rules where oh no,
you have to have two signatures. You have to have
a signature on the outside and the on the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Then you must put the date here.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
They come up with all these different things because it's
all designed to shave thousands of votes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
That is the goal here.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
The goal is not to expand access to the ballot these.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Rules, and this was a Republican rule.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
It was put in place to stop people from voting
so they have a better shot at winning.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Yeah, so in Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania who won their jurisdictions.
That requires two envelopes that you have to use in
order to mail your ballot back. The inner envelope is
called the secrecy envelope. The outer envelope you have to
sign it, you have to put the date. And what
makes Pennsylvania particular tricky is that it is a commonwealth,
meaning that when the Secretary of State says something that

(01:55:48):
deals with voting laws or in the state of Pennsylvania
is viewed as an advisory suggestion. It's not binding. But
every single county in Pennsylvania gets and how they're going
to do certain things. So this is such a big
deal and it's a great thing for voters in Pennsylvania
because you're literally given the printed envelope. You're the envelopes,

(01:56:12):
you're given the printed ballot that actually has the actual date.
But if you incorrectly put the date when you're filling
out that outer envelope, then your ballot was thrown out.
And it doesn't even make public policy sense because you
understand what election that person is actually trying to vote in.
Because of the nature of the ballot, it literally says
it of the ballot. But unfortunately, some of the Republicans

(01:56:35):
in Pennsylvania said, oh no, but if that outer date
doesn't match, then we don't know if this actual ballot
that we printed with the date on it, if this
ballot is meant for this year. That's nonsensical. So the
judge in this case made the right call.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Again, this is the stuff that people just don't understand,
how the games they play. A former Miley police officers
pleading guilty valuating a man's civil rights. Forty year old
Carlos Freight admitted to repeatedly firing a taser at a
man doing a January twenty twenty four arrest in Kahi, Hawaii,
even though the man was not resisting and posed no threat.

(01:57:13):
The officer also admitted to falsifying a police report. Boy,
it's amazing that always happens to try to cover up
his actions. He was fired for the Mali Police Department
earlier this year after being indicted.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
It's part of a plea deal.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
Prosecutors dropped the second charge of falsifying an official report.
He now faces up to ten years in prison on
two out of fifty thousand dollars fine and supervised release
after serving his sentence. He also agreed to pay restitution
the sentencing and schedule for January six.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Okay, so this is what pisses me off.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Larry and I have long said this, and then there's
some people who are like, oh, I think that's too much.
If a police officer falsifies report, that should be automatic termination.
And I hate the fact that prosecutors drop this because
this is what happens these cops.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Unless you've got video of the stuff these they.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Lie on these reports to try to gain a conviction.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
It is a lie.

Speaker 11 (01:58:07):
Yeah. So if anybody else writes, you know, a lot
on a public document, they can end up in jail
or find et cetera. But you know, when you trust
someone who has a gun and badge and you know,
commits this kind of crime, and like you said, lies
on an official document, that should be a minimum of
grounds being fired. I think the other point you have

(01:58:28):
made in terms of if there's some kind of civil
suit in this, and you talked about this in the past,
is that you know, the officer has should be able
to should be responsible for paying paying for those those
those fines or fees. So we've got to continue to
do a better job to make sure we hold individuals
responsible for, you know, exit lying for documents. But also
in terms of, you know, how you deal with citizens

(01:58:49):
in this case, you know, causing harms someone using you know,
and I guess you assume Heeople was justifiable. But I'm
glad that he pleaded guilty and he should spend the
time the judge gives them in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Absolutely, And this is some sitting here, some looking at
a story here, all right, some control room, y'all need
to let me know because y'all don't put it in here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
Was this a state prosecution or was it a federal prosecution? Okay,
y'all gotta put this stuck. Okay, so this is federal.
Here's the problems aboard. Trump could parton him m hm,
and he we've already seen this. He wants cops to
do whatever he wants. I'm telling you right now, do

(01:59:31):
not be surprised if this cop gets a part in.

Speaker 24 (01:59:39):
That's just definitely so disheartening. We know that these cops
need to be held accountable. We are sending them in
areas that are high crime and over policing.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
These creating a place where.

Speaker 24 (01:59:56):
We're gonna have more crime or there's gonna be more
cops that are overusing their force. And we have a
president that is going to support cops that have admittedly
pled guilty. It's saying, hey, I did this, I know
I'm wrong, and they're not going to be held accountable

(02:00:17):
because we have a president that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
Is okay with cops and okay.

Speaker 24 (02:00:22):
With himself doing whatever, ignoring policy, ignoring laws, ignoring the Constitution,
and ignoring people's civil rights.

Speaker 11 (02:00:33):
We're jing on.

Speaker 24 (02:00:33):
Them in the most disrespectful manner. So I totally agree
with you. He's definitely has the chance to be pardoned.
We've watched it happen too many times before.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
This is why, Rebecca, these county DA's got to do
their job. Donald Trump is going to if there's a
cop that has abused somebody and they get convicted in
a federal court, he's gonna let them out jail.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Look at that crap.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
And didn't Los Angeles that the deputy share well, they said,
oh no, no, no, after he was convicted, let's change
the sentence.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Judge, Like, what the hell? It was crazy?

Speaker 5 (02:01:14):
You know, Roland, what you're articulating, you could probably do
an entire show on It's like, over the last few decades,
we've used at federal civil rights framework with making sure
that the rights of ordinary Americans, especially people of color,
especially black people, are upheld. But what we're seeing now
on the federal level, especially under this type of regime,
is they're kind of playing like the UNO reverse card

(02:01:37):
for federal civil rights cases, which means you can't rely
on the federal courts because what in turns is up
happening at the Supreme Court level. So now to your point,
we're going to have to have local DA's, local state
people actually enforcing state civil rights laws and enforcing and
you're kind of using a different framework because the civil

(02:01:58):
rights community has largely hasn't focused on states rights, but
they focus on the federal framework. And we're just in
a different world right now. So if we actually want
to have protections for people that isn't overturned by anuthoritarian
leader at the top of federal government. We have to
look for other ways of making sure that justice is

(02:02:20):
happening if we actually want justice to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:02:23):
Yeah, you could, I mean, Larry, you can hang up
if it's an if it's involved, if it's involving a cop,
you can hang up the fans doing something.

Speaker 11 (02:02:35):
Yeah, Going in the days we had an all strong
offices like Office of Civil Rights right Ruland how many
times you talk about Christian Clark and all the work
she did and going after individuals and law enforcement or
corrections who are who committed certain crimes. But that's not
going to be that's not gonna happen anymore. And as
you said, the opposite, those individuals are going to receive pardons.
But it's important that we continue to talk about this

(02:02:57):
on your platform because anyone of us, or anyone that
you know looks like us to become a victim of
this kind of crime at any moment. And we know that,
and so we have the whole make sure that those
individuals are held accountable. And once again, you know, we
need to make sure we forced steal stated or talk
about having a strong Office of Civil Rights.

Speaker 12 (02:03:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
And I'm gonna say this again, and I'm probably gonna
end this show every day like this for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
If you were.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
Bothered by this, this is what happens when you don't vote.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
This is what happens when you don't go to the polls.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
Because the reality is if Trump doesn't win, he's not
in control of the Department of Justice. So for all
these people out there, Oh, Kamala was a cop.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
Oh I don't like this. I didn't like what she said.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
Let's just be perfectly clear, all of the mayhem we're seeing,
you wouldn't have three hundred and fifty thousand black women
losing their jobs because you would not have to have
the assault on federal workers. If you're angry about these
troops being in DC and threatening to scend to New York.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Chicago, that's what happens when you don't vote. If you're
upset seeing these.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
Cops go free on federal charges, that's what happened when
you don't vote. If you're pissed off of the billions
of dollars in grants being cut. That's what happens when
you don't vote. All of you're upset about the eight
hundred million dollars in the crime prevention grants that Donald
Trump cut, This is what happens when you don't vote.

(02:04:32):
If you're upset at the Supreme Court said Trump could
whack almost a billion dollars in grants related to DEI
dealing with diversity and health. This is what happens when
you don't vote. I can go on and on and
on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
But it's very simple. If the thug in chief.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
Had not won, and if more black people and more
Latino people, and more conscious white people had been awake
and voted for Vice President Kamla Harris, we would not
be having any of these conversations. And for the people

(02:05:18):
out there who are black and you wanted a perfect candidate,
and oh, Kamma, wasn't black enough?

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
Is Trump white enough?

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
For all of y'all who was saying, ah man, she
a cop, she locked a black man, which is a lie.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
It's been proven lie.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
It's amazing how silent y'all are when a black man
is a lawyer. It's a huish army veteran in West
Point graduate is walking down the street in DC and
gets accosted by twenty local and federal authorities. When Trump
literally stands up and says, I'm the chief law enforcement
officer of the county.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Y'all ain't calling him top cop. Oh, I love all
the people who sit here. Oh, she ain't really black.
She ended, well, who are you hooking up?

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
But y'all do notice y'all notice how quiet all those
folks are. I mean, it is stunning how they just evaporated.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
Into thin air.

Speaker 3 (02:06:39):
Then again, you have the people out there, you know,
the loud people who said Kamala and Trump are the same,
Republicans and Democrats are the same. You ain't getting nothing
for your vote. Remember when a certain person said that,

(02:07:02):
and he would have lose his school buildings because he
didn't pay a tax bill.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:07:10):
Oh, by the way, you know, if you don't pay
your tax bill, you could try to go to politicians
to get relief to help you out.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
Oh, I'm sorry, that's right. You didn't believe in voting. Hmm.
Thoughts and prayers, Roller, you got to say it.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
Three times in a row, so so so he'll understand
what you said. I guess say three times.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
Yes, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 11 (02:07:55):
Now nikes to real.

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
Ain't that something? And yes, I'm petty somor thanks a lot.
Larry appreciate it, Rebecca appreciate it.

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