Mosby Verdict Overturned, GA Voter Purge, Trump AI Superman, Trumpers #FAFO, Nigeria Rejects Trump

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Today.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's Friday, July eleven, twenty twenty five. Coming up on
Rolling mard Unfortured streaming live on the black Star Networking.
Appeals Court has overturned the mortgage fraud conviction of former
Baltimore States Attorney in Maryland Moseby, So they upheld the
perjury conviction. We'll talk about that. Also, Georgia Secretary of
State plans removed five hundred thousand people from the voting rolls.

(00:47):
Y'all know it's a lot of black folks in that ground. Plus,
the White House puts out this AI image of Donald
Trump as Superman. Y'all notice how mainstream media is quiet
as hell. They fully accept the craziness of him. But
if President Joe Biden made one slip up of a word,

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oh my god, we have massive coverage of their being
cognitive decline.

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Speaker 2 (02:54):
Georgia plans to remove nearly five hundred thousand people from
the voting rules.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
They have a law call you use it or Lose.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It, and the folks impacted they are calling them in
active voters. Well, they have forty days to correct this
or not. It's one of the largest voting purchase in
American history. Now, obviously we've seen this before, and we've
seen Georgia be one of the leaders in doing it
now the Supreme Court allowed states to do this year.

(03:23):
There was a white man in Ohio who sued because
he was removed from the voting roles. Will the Supreme
Court allowed it to happen, which actually was pretty stupid
to me them allowing that to do so. But the
question then, how's that going to impact black voters?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh, by the way, that's a huge.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
United States Senate election next year in Georgia, where, of
course Democratic Senator John Olsoff will be facing competition Republican
and major Republican chalder that has not appeared yet, but
it is going to come join us right now, is
Robert Wiener, the director of the Voting Rights Project, the
Lawyst Committee for Civil Rights under Law. Georgia State Representative
l Madia Holly joins us as well.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Let to have both of y'all here.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
First and foremost Repregentia HOLLYO walk us through this for
people who don't understand the law in Georgia and why
the Secretary of State is allowed to do this?

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yes, absolutely, and thank you, rolland from happiness making us
such a serious point to discuss right now, especially ahead
of our current Public Service Commissioner election for those memtors
who are who have long understood where Georgia stands with
respective voting rights. You know that our state is like

(04:37):
a lot of Southern states that these states that have
been impacted because of the institution of slavery, and the
federal government has had to come in and actually provide
oversight to make sure that people could exercise their right
to vote. That was certainly true for you know, during reconstruction.

(04:58):
We saw it even more in the years following, during
the nineteen sixties up until around twenty eighteen, when you
had Shelby v.

Speaker 7 (05:09):
Rather twenty thirteen shell weyv.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
Holder case, which really said that states no longer are
required to clear a state's maps for those voting maps
because they had to go and get federal oversight because
the states were found to have been discriminatory. And so
what we've seen over probably over the last ten or

(05:32):
so years is that mainly Republican led states are so
busy purging voters from the roles. And we're not talking
about voters that have been found to have been criminal
or found to have been non citizens. No, we're talking
about eligible voters that are actually being purged by the
hundreds of thousands, and it's simply because they have not

(05:55):
chosen to exercise their right to vote and cast it
for politicians.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I think about that question.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
How long is it one election, two three, sort of
what's the number?

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Well, the thing is is that if you look at
Georgia history in the twenty eighteen election, usually it happens
after a federal election cycle that these purges occur. And
in twenty eighteen, roughly five hundred and thirty four thousand
Georgians were purged from the vote from the voter roles.
Now Secretary of State Rathisberger, his accomplice and his Gabriel Sterling,

(06:33):
they're looking to actually purge half a million voters from
the voter roles, and so you can think about that.
It's not because they're found to be un American. These
are people who simply chose not to vote for a politician.
So even though the United States Constitution guarantees them that
right to vote in the state of Georgia, it has

(06:55):
targeted so many voters. Many times we find to our
persons of color as well as even young people, they
are disproportionately represented in the list of purged voters. Then
those who are actually registered to vote, and so it's wrong.
But that's why we have to make sure that we
can encourage voters to stay on top of it. You

(07:17):
gotta check it or you risk getting xed out.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Robert, What can people actually do? Because listen, I constantly
tell people on this show, hey, register every year. There's
no law says you can't fill it out. They always
come up these different rules. Whatever your current address is,
register right now and always double check and verify.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, that's what you have to do.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
You have to keep on top of it or else
you're gonna lose that right.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
But you know it's it's not just the people who
haven't voted.

Speaker 8 (07:56):
This purge is going to target people who are unhoused.
Or if you live in a facility that is not
zoned for housing, they'll assume that that's a mistake and
therefore you should be purged from the roles unless you respond,

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and or if you live in a facility that has.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
More than ten people that address. Well, there's lots.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Of people in extended families, especially in the immigrant communities,
and you know that used to be seen as a
good thing that you live with your grandparents and your children,
But now in Georgia, and that is a basis for

(08:51):
getting removed from the roles. And you have to be
able then to go back. And if you can't, if
you've see the postcard, if you get the postcard, turn
it back in and verify that you are here.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
You say you are.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
But there's lots of mistakes, and as you indicated, those
mistakes seemed to fall more heavily on communities of color.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Greig palaced on this show many times talking about these
issues over and over and over again, and it seems
this we just keep coming back to Georgia over and
over and over again, and so represented Holly is like Republicans,
this is what they frankly look.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Forward to doing.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
I mean, when you look at twenty eighteen, I still
remember a study from the United States Commission on Civil
Rights where it found that for those states that had
previously had were required by Section five of the Voting
Rights Act to get clearance from a federal judge to
make sure that their maps were found to act actually
be fair for all citizens to be able to cast

(10:03):
their ballot. Of all the states that were actually monitored,
you still have Georgia leading them with these voter suppression
tactics of changing voter id laws of polling, precinct closures,
early cutoffs, having really narrow windows for these dates and

(10:24):
times to schedule a vote, requiring legal Americans to provide
proof of citizenship, and these mass purchase that we're seeing
here five hundred thousand and Roland. Just to kind of
give you some perspective on that, you had five point
three million Georgians who cast their ballot in the twenty
twenty four elections.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Five point three million.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
This is a purge to clear off five hundred thousand
instantly if they don't respond within a forty day window
to make sure that they can be seen as eligible.
So in Georgia we see that ahead of election cycles
that mount that percentage, which, mind you, even though it's
maybe six percent of the total Georgians live here, but

(11:07):
that's still that's ten percent of those who cast their
ballot in the twenty twenty four elections that can change
the outcomes. And what we're seeing is that particularly it's
very detrimental for those Latino black of those working class
voters in our state who may not be able to
go and stop their jobs, stop their priorities as working

(11:28):
class people and hurry up within a forty day window
and make sure that they can be counted as voting
American citizens that they currently are.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
So, Robert, what do we do?

Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, one thing we do is we try to pass
the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Robert, here's the reality. Republicans control the House, control.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Senate, Trumps in the White House. That ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So I mean, yeah, so right now, what do we
tell our people?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
What do we do right now?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:03):
That is an obstacle to passing that.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
You know, we just have to tell people that they
need to register, they need to vote, they need to
check whether they are on the list. There is a
website you can go to to see if your name
is on that list, and you can do something about it.

(12:30):
But you know, it really requires the people in Georgia.
And Stacy Abrams ran such an amazing campaign a few
years ago, and the get out the vote effort and
the registration effort is is really phenomenal. Ninety three percent

(12:50):
registration rate. That is great. And I hate to say
those those really able people have more work to do,
but they do. They're just going to have to get
out there and go door to door and make sure
people know what their rights are then that they exercise them.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
All right, then, gentlemen, we absolutely appreciate you joining us
on the show.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
All right. I want to go to my panel right now.
Introduce them. Glad to have them.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Matt manningsv Roch's attorney out of Washington, DC.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Michael m.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hotep, host of the African History Network show from Detroit,
joins us as well.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
We also, of course.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Have been Dixon pastored, and of course very out here
with his own digital show is what but they have
y'all here, Listen, I had to pose the question that way, Ben,
It's very simple. Listen, the John Lewis Act ain't getting pasted. Okay,
they controlled it. So our focus right now has to
be this is the strategy we must employ to be

(13:56):
able to drive this thing out to alert.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
People what's going on. I just look, I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
The folks who file lawsuits, who do all those different things,
but this requires an on the ground effort to make
sure if those folks are not disenfranchised.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
Right now, absolutely and I love you. Your suggestion is
that they should register. We should register every year. It
should almost be a matter of routine and ritual, because
we understand that this is the tactic that they employ
every single opportunity that they get. They will take every
measure possible to disenfranchise us from our vote. And if

(14:33):
this has to become our ritual, our routine, then we
will overcome it.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Because if it was.

Speaker 9 (14:38):
Simply a matter of them, are vote not mattering, then
they would not go through these hurdles that they go
through every year. I was taking off the role back
in two thousand and four and wasn't able to vote
back then because of the same exact type of purge.
And it always disproportionately targets Black people without a doubt,
And so they can claim that this is a neutral process,

(14:59):
but their neutral says always seems to hinder black folks.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, I mean, I just think that the thing for me, Michael,
there are what I call short, mid, and long term goals.
The long term goal is passing the John Lewis Act. Okay,
here's the whole deal. Biden was in a White House,

(15:24):
couldn't get it done? Why Democrats? Democrats control the House.
Then you had the Senate, didn't have sixty votes, couldn't
get it done. You couldn't use the reconciliation process, couldn't
get it done. So there has to be an effort
right now to say, Okay, get the word out.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Reregister.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Don't even wait, don't even wait on the postcard. Just
reregister right now. Reregister with your new address.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Boom. That's what you do. That way, you don't go
through the process of election day. You go vote provisional.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Provisional ballots are not always counted. We ain't trying to
go through all that. No, reregister right now, don't even wait,
do it. It doesn't cost you anything to reregister the.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Vote, absolutely, you know.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
So I'm glad we're having this conversation because this is
straight out of Project twenty twenty five. And this is
like a modern day poll tax coming from Georgia, which
is a former Confederate state. So what happens is Republicans
continue to show us that they fear the African American
vote and the power of the African American vote more

(16:36):
than many of us value our vote. And Georgia has
a deep history of voter suppression. And when you look
at Center Bill two a one that passed in twenty
twenty one, it passed in Georgia that was the first
state to have those voter suppression laws.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Right after the twenty twenty one.

Speaker 10 (16:56):
Election, they push the fiction of a big line even
though all the evidence came.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Out stating that the election was not stolen.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
But Michael, Michael, here's the deal. I understand all of that.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
What I am saying is, our strategy has to be
a now strategy.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I know what they did in twenty one. I know
what they did.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I'm connecting it to now.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, no, no, no, Why I'm saying no, no, no, I
don't want to connect to now our people.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
You know what to do? Now? What you do right now?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
They can't file lawsuits, they can't pass the bill, But
we have to get people minds right now.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
What must they do today?

Speaker 4 (17:37):
You got a register, you have to reregister to vote.

Speaker 10 (17:40):
Educate people on the need to reregister to vote, but
also educate them on how what's on the ballot coming
up the next election impacts every aspect of their lives
as well, and why it's important to vote. Also how
all these policies are are determined by what's put in
place or about who votes and who registers to vote.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
But here's that.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, But the but here's the issue we're facing though.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
See, I just.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I can't have hypothetical. I can't have here's the problem.
A lot of these people are inactive voters, so I
can't I so I can't say I need you to vote.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
First of all, you're already inactive.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So what has to happen is no no no no
no no no no follow me here. These people are
already registered. They're inactive, meaning they did not vote. So
what has to be.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Happening is within four years, right, which.

Speaker 11 (18:44):
Means they voted in four years, Which means that the
folk who are running and the third party groups out here,
we have to be doing our part.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
The reason I'm saying that I was to pull us up.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Last night I was texting, I'm sorry, this is what
Bishop I put a text last night. Bishop Barbara sent
this to us.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Today.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
We were talking about and I was talking about that
was a video the Zoran a Mumdonie posted which I
thought was a fantastic video. And this is what Bishop
Barbara said. In the North and in the South, we're
going to have to do a lot because frankly, the
party is all over the place. Our problem in the

(19:33):
South is many want to do rallies but not organizing.
One church group in North Carolina has ten thousand churches,
but they don't do a church by church campaign where
each church organizes ninety percent of its members. Most of

(19:53):
the time, the pastor does one sermon and then says,
my people voted. They don't organiz in a mile radius
around the church. So he says that the model has
to be where we are right now. We can't be
waiting on a party to organize and mobilize.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
We must agree.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
And so what I'm saying is if a person ain't
voted in four years, then saying I need y'all to
vote ain't the answer.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I have to now becoming I said, gotcha, and what
I'm okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
This is what I'm trying to explain to you.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
You have to yes, they have to reregister the vote,
but we have to connect why they need to reregister
the vote to the actual policies and the outcomes.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
That they say that they want.

Speaker 10 (20:46):
You have to connect all that together and educate them
on how all that's connected and mobilizing. This explains to
you why you have to reregister the vote if you
haven't voted in four years and you can't vote in
the in the twenty twenty four election, then there's some
type of disconnect there.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So we have to connect all that together.

Speaker 10 (21:04):
It's not enough to say I need you to vote,
I need you to reregister the vote. No, you have
to explain to the people the why and the what
and how this impacts every aspect.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Of your life.

Speaker 10 (21:15):
And the disc can be massive ground mobilismas we can't
wait on the democratic part and gat and no everybody
is coming to save them.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
And the disconnect, Matt, the disconnect is that the way
we communicate issues, they're frankly not in a way where
a person goes, wow, got it. And so that's what
I'm saying. So again we can be mad and upset
with the purge, but the purge is going to happen. Well,

(21:47):
I'm saying, is we got to sit back and saying,
hold up, they about to purge. Have many people because
the ain't voted in four years? Why ain't those folks
voted in four years? And that means they voted no
election in four years?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
So what is it then?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
So how can we now again mobilized organized to communicate
to reach them, to touch them, to teach them that
what has to be happening, and we can't wait until
September of twenty six.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It has to be happening now.

Speaker 12 (22:20):
Yeah, I think the answer is e all of the above.
I think you and Michael were both speaking to it,
and I think Michael's point is incredibly important because when
people realize the deliverables that they're getting from voting and
or holding people accountable and putting the right people into office,
then they recognize the import of casting their vote right.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
But not only that.

Speaker 12 (22:38):
I mean a rally or one time a sermon or
points in time where you're discussing voting rather than sustained
efforts through organization is just not going to yield the
effects of exactly what you're talking about, making sure you
have a sustained drive, and the way you do that
is by telling people unless you go to the polls,
these kinds of things are going to continue happening. For instance,

(23:00):
when I read the article in preparation of this, it's
interesting because the way the Republicans are characterizing this is
exactly the opposite. We're cleaning up the roles, We're doing
the right thing. We're making sure that we have people
who want to be involved in the process, essentially involved
in the process, and that's not how it should work.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Sometimes people aren't going to check their registration.

Speaker 12 (23:17):
They're going to go to the polls, and they're not
going to realize that they're not able to cast their vote.
So it's a matter of sustained organization in concert with
telling them the benefits and the detriments to not voting.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I just my frustration when these things happen is that
we bemoan, we lament, we're upset by their actions. Their
actions has to cause a reaction. And I think where
we sit today and what we are seeing, and we're

(23:52):
seeing what I talked about it last night, our numbers.
If we hit a seventy percent total turnout of eligible
black voters, we can sweep elections all across the board.
But I can't get a turnout unless they're registered. I
can't get them the register. I can't get them the

(24:13):
register unless I explain to them why the registration matters,
then why the vote matters, and then they have to
then see a return on their investment. That is, you
said you were going to do this and you actually
did it, as opposed to broken promises and we have
to break this thing down and stop talking macro and

(24:36):
be as micro as possible.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And I always talk about it.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
It has to be an individual, a house, neighbors, street, block, neighborhood, city, state, country,
and I think too often, too often, we're operating macro.
When I visited Ohio, I was in Ohio, Michigan, I

(25:00):
was in several battleground states last year.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I remember I was in a restaurant.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I was in Cincinnati, and it was a brother's alpha
and he said, hey, man, yeah, tomorrow we got voto
registration at the game.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I was like, what game? He said, Oh, he
said the Bengals game.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I said why. He said, what do you mean? I said,
why are you doing voter registration in the Bengals game?
I said, how many people are going to be at
the Bengals game? Okay, what hold sixty seventy thousand? How
many people are you actually going to come across?

Speaker 13 (25:35):
All?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right?

Speaker 14 (25:36):
What?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Maybe one hundred, maybe two hundred. I said, your time
is better.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Spent going to get the data of what are the
highest what are the largest black precincts in Cincinnati and
then looking at that data and then saying, okay, these
are the largest black precincts. In this particular precinct, they
had four hundred eligible voters, but in last election, seventy

(26:06):
eight voted. I said, now you can spend your time
now trying to target the additional three hundred and twenty two.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I said, now think about that.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's just one precinct versus the number of people that
you might get the register at the football game. I said, Now,
imagine if say your Alpha chapter says we're going to
target three precincts, and our goal is to touch every
person who didn't vote. Because the data is right there.
It actually shows you who didn't vote. You can literally

(26:41):
knock on their door. Data's right there. I just believe
the way many of our groups are approaching this bend.
I believe they're approaching it the wrong way. I believe
what they're doing they're trying to have a macro approach,
and they hope people show up, they hope people register.

(27:04):
I'm saying, take the data, say we only are going
to focus on this precinct, this precinct, this precinct, and we.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
May very well be able to reach.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Five hundred, one thousand, fifty hundred two thousand voters and
now that's a lot more intense as opposed to some
of the very broad, big things we do and having,
and those stupid ass rallies that the Harris campaign kept funding,
and I was.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Go ahead, No, I absolutely love that idea.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
The nesting approach, you start with the individual and you
broaden it out, layer by layer by layer to get
to the neighborhood, community, to the state, to the nation.
And I think one of the conversations that has to
be had with especially the people whose names are getting
ready to be purged, is to tell them very directly.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
They're taking you away from you.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
One thing I know about black people is the way
to get us to do something is to tell us
what we can't do. And so maybe we need to
turn this on its head and make them actually pay
for the fact that they're taking this away.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And maybe just maybe.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
It would incentivize people to realize that, hey, this is
something they're taking from me, so maybe now it should
really matter to me. And I think that the only
way we can convey that is on a micro level,
one person at a time, one community, one household at
a time, one community at a time.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
And again, if your church is very simple. It's your church.
First of all. If you a church, need to survey
your members, that is how many how many registered voters
are in the church. Then how many eligible voters are

(28:54):
in the church, meaning eighteen and older. What's the state
status of somebody who's incarcerated. Does the state have different
procedures to get their right to vote back?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
You gotta walk folks through that stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But then every church needs to then say, I need
to know the ZIP code you're in. So now, all
of a sudden, if this first one, let's be real clear,
it's only four percent megachurches in the country, and the
average church in America has a one hundred or one
hundred or few people coming to a church. So let's
just take a two hundred and fifty member church. If

(29:31):
I then do a survey of every single member in
my church, and I now have this thing broken down
by zip code, then I know in my church where
they live with zip codes that they are in. Now
I can target differently. Then what I do is a church,
I say, okay, we're gonna do a point a point

(29:54):
zero five, a point one zero a point twenty five
radius around the church. So we're gonna say we're gonna
go from here, four blocks that way, four blocks that way,
four blocks that way, and then we're going to canvas
door to door.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
My deal is keep it simple. It's a whole bunch
of churches. Listen. I grew up in Clinton Park and
Houston on Fidelity Road in our neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I think there were at least fourteen to eighteen churches
on Fidelity Road where I grew up. Okay, fine, church,
don't do it yourself. Eighteen of those churches come together
and say we're gonna canvas neighborhood ourselves. That to me
is the approach that we have to be taking. And
so I just don't want to complain about what the

(30:39):
Republicans are doing. I want to beat their asses and
then change the damn law so we don't have to
deal with this crap every election cycle going to break.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Be right back Roland Martin unfiltered on the Blackstone Network.

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And there's something really really perverse about saying that we
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The answer, I'm pretty sure will.

Speaker 18 (31:37):
Shock as he says, you know, people think that I'm anachronistic.

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I am.

Speaker 19 (31:40):
I want to go backwards in time in order to
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He's very upfront about this.

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Speaker 4 (33:17):
It's good, Jonn.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
This is Doug e Freshman watching my brother Roland Martin.

Speaker 21 (33:22):
Underbuilt it as we go with a little something like this,
hit it.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's real, Okay, I'm about to play five minutes from
a news conference today.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It took place in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It featured Democratic leader Kaking Jeffres featured Congressman Troy.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Carter, steering in Policy Committee coach here W.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Wassman Schultz of Florida, Robin Kelly of Illinois, Barragona, California. Okay,
so today they we had a New Orleans clinic talk
about the importance of Medicaid providers. Speaker of the House

(34:16):
of Louisiana's from from Speak of the House.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's from Louisiana, Mike Johnson, Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's just ahead of New Mexico in terms of the
number of people are gonna lose Medicaid. But here's what
I don't understand. You know what, played a video first,
and then I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what my
problem is with what I just what I'm about to play.

Speaker 22 (34:45):
The passage of Donald Trump's Big Ugly Bill HR one
represents the most devastating attack on America's healthcare in a
nation's history. It cuts more than one trillion dollars from healthcare,
including five hundred billion in for medicare, putting millions of Americans,
including many here in Louisiana, at risk of losing coverage

(35:07):
facing skyrocketing costs.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And see, all right, folks, so we have a technical issue,
and so we're gonna get that fixed. But I'm gonna
show you something and see, this is why I'm really

(35:35):
trying not y'all know, I'm trying not to cuss. But
this is my problem with that. You have a news conference,
did y'all get a straight.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
All? Right?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Okay, so you have a news conference in New Orleans
that's represented by Troy Carter to raise the issue about
the bill that's already been passed.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
At least go to my ibet, y'all.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
This right here, this is the congressional district of Mike Johnson.
As you see right here Sreeport Monroe, Alexandria. It extends
all the way down south to Lake Charles, so that

(36:38):
that's Mike Johnson's district. Now, first of all, you see
right here, you see how this carve out piece right here.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
This shows you how they.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Jerry mander Like that makes no sense at all, Like
why would there be a straight shot top to bottom?
That's just but that's how they do these maps. Okay,
here's my problem. If you're going to hold if you're
going to hold a news conference talking about the devastating.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Effects of.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
The bill, which Mike Johnson voted for, why don't you
have it in his district.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Why don't you literally go to either Lake.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Charles or Shreveport or Monroe and you hold this news
conference so the local media in Mike Johnson's district can
cover it.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
And then you can rally. Then you can rally.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
The people in Mike Johnson's district, the organizations in Mike
Johnson's district, and ask them and the churches in Mike
Johnson's district and say, I need y'all to challenge him
on why did he vote on a bill that's going
to hurt his district?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Great?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
All five, Great, all five are standing there in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Why that's not his district?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I ben, I said to Obama and his people, why
do y'all keep going to suburban Ohio and suburban Maryland
and suburban Virginia holding speeches and rallies touting the Affordable
Care Act? I said, take that shit to the brokest, sickest, whitest,

(38:52):
reddest district is say I passed this bill for y'all
because you are the brokest, You're the sickest, and you
should be asking why did your United States Senator and
your US congressman vote against a bill when you are sick,

(39:14):
been your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
You know, Roland.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
At this point, I have to think it's a matter
of complicity, right, because at that level of politics, to
excuse it away as them not knowing or incompetence to
me is not acceptable.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
They have too many highly paid.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
Representatives and individuals who plan for them, strategists, consultants, because
that's just common sense, what you said, right, and it
makes too good of sense for them to not understand
and actually execute it. Go into the belly of the beast,
go into their districts, go and confront them head on.
Talk to the people who are being hurt the most,

(39:54):
Talk to the people who voted for them, who are
going to be hurt the most. And it's that oversight,
it's that inability to see something that simple, which goes
back to what one of the brothers on the panel
already said. We have to have our own organizing power,
because if we allow the Democrats to keep doing this,
whether it be fecklessness or complicity, we're going to keep
finding ourselves as black people at the mercy of either

(40:17):
a party that is complicit with this power or just
too incompetent to actually fight against it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I get it. I get it. You want Louisiana media attention. Okay,
I get it, but that's not who you talk to. Matt.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
You go and talk to his people and you say,
y'all need to be asking him why did he vote
against you? What was his reason voting against you?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yah?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And you say, here are the medicaid recipients in this district?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Here are the numbers?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Are people in this district all snap with snap benefits?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Here? That's what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
You You get nothing going to New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
I you know, I think I'll be the dissenting voice
on this.

Speaker 12 (41:15):
I don't know that it's, as you know, problematic for
the message for it to be down the road in
New Orleans as opposed to his district. I get the logic,
but one, Louisiana is in a huge state. To your
your first point on this is exactly what I thought.
They probably thought that they have a much greater access
to a larger swath of media there in New Orleans,

(41:36):
and it's not like they can't have that same messaging
one hundred miles away.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
I get the logic. I think it's a.

Speaker 12 (41:41):
Different analysis in Texas or California. If you're talking about
LA you wouldn't go to Sacramento. I think it's a
little different in Louisiana, and I think it's really more
about the vigor that they deliver the message with. To say,
Mike Johnson, your own Speaker of the House is voting
against your interest.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
You know why didn't he he vote for.

Speaker 12 (41:58):
The interests that affect you. I think you say that,
but I think doing it in New Orld not things.
It doesn't in that district, it does nothing. I don't
think it's as as as major and I don't think
it has the effect.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Okay, okay, Okay, what does it do? Okay, Matt, Okay, Matt,
what does it do?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You're talking in New Orleans, which is represented by representing
Troy Carter.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
What does that get you?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
He's already Democrat, you have a lock on his seat.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
What does that do for you?

Speaker 12 (42:30):
I mean, I get the logic, Rowland, but you're in DC,
I'm in Texas. We're talking to people across the country.
You mean to tell me that they can't have the
same import in their message and the same vigor in
their message one hundred miles down the road.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
I mean, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here's what I'm saying. Okay,
here's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
The reason you travel to the reason you bring a
representative from the House Democratic Leader, a REP. From Illinois,
a REP from California, and a REP from Florida is
you want to amplify the negative impacts of the bill.
And the person who is the Speaker of the House
who actually ram right of the bill through is from Louisiana.

(43:10):
So if I am, first of all, some my strategy,
here's the first thing, what is my strategy for even
holding the event. So let's see, there's not a US
so the U. There's a US Senate race that's next year.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
The Congression races are every year. There's the mayor oral
election in October. They ain't talking local election. They're talking
what happens in Congress. So if I am trying, if
I am trying to say to the folk who are
going to be hurt the most, this guy from this

(43:50):
state screwed you.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm going to his district.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Ain't no Mike Johnson voters in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
None.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Okay, So the media covers it, but that's like, that's
just like an Insular's conversation.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm not reaching, but go ahead.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
I don't think it is, though, right, I don't think
it is because the same phenomenon that you're talking about
is applicable to people in all fifty states. I mean,
I get that it's Mike Johnson's district as a stone's
throat from there in New Orleans. But by that same logic,
they could go to Florida, or they could go to
other places and go to rural wherever it is.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yes, you know, and if you go to Florida, and
if you go to Florida, go to the district of
a Republican who voted for it, and hold up a
data because here's the thing you already know what Fox
News didn't cover. So what the goal for the media
goal is? I need to break through and get the
message to the folk who may not even being aware

(44:49):
of it. That are y'all aware how sick caryall. That's
a member of Congress from Florida, excuse me, from California.
Two thirds of his district are unmedicaid.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I will be on his ass.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
To your point, I ain't going to LA I'm going
now his district and say, see how you voted because
I'm trying to take his ass out.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
Yeah, and I get the logic. I'm just saying I
don't think it really is a major difference. I think
the real analysis needs to be on whether the messaging
itself is effective, because right people across the country are
gonna be affected by the loss of this healthcare At
number one and number two, Louisiana's not a huge state.

Speaker 7 (45:30):
So doing it in New Orleans as opposed to up the.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Road in Mike Johnson's I think it's just a different
thing than if you did it in Austin and you're
talking about l Passon.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Matt.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I think you missed it something. Matt. There's a thing
called d m.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
A in media, is called d m A, and that
is in the d M A. The d m A
is what is the radius of the television signal. Monroe
and Shreveport have their own TV stations. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
How keeps national media?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
No, No, that's local news. This is my point. You're
not talking national.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Every congressional district in America is eight hundred and fifty
thousand people. It's every congressional district. The Democrats lost the
House by combining seventeen hundred votes. When you look at
the races where they lost seventeen hundred votes, okay, seventeen hundred.
They only need to win four or five seats to

(46:34):
gain control of the House.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So you got to pick off.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
You're not picking off you as senators, you're picking off
individual House members. So my strategy has to be, Michael,
I gotta talk.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
What did we say? Hold on? Let me find it,
because remember we pulled it up. We pulled it up.
This right here, this right here, This is your goal.
This right here, this is your goal.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
There are thirty five Republican House members who are in
purple sort of purple districts. These are the thirty five
you target. And here's my point, Troy Carter ain't on
this list.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
So if you're going to do this, you do.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It in a place where you can actually flip the seat.

Speaker 10 (47:31):
Michael, Yeah, this is what you're talking about. Is what
I turn as political pressure points. And Democrats oftentimes don't
understand political pressure points. They'll preach to the choir. So
their goal and hold something like this in their own district.
After the bill is passed after signing the law, things

(47:52):
like this. No, you go into Mike Johnson's Speaker of
the House, Mike Johnson's red district, and just so people understand,
in the state of Louisiana, one point six million.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
People are on Medicaid.

Speaker 10 (48:05):
It's expected that because of the bill that just passed,
one hundred and fifty eight thousand of people in Louisiana
are going to lose their Medicaid coverage. And Mike Johnson
helped push that bill through and did it to them.
So you go to his district and you educate the
people in his district what he did.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Now, only Roland where you.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Get local TV coverage, news coverage, you're going to get
local radio coverage also because radio stations that have news
departments and I used to work at one, they go
cover events like this as well. So you want to
educate those people, put pressure on them. And unfortunately a
lot of Democrats have this twenty twenty six strategy really

(48:47):
but don't really understand how they implement this and utilize
these political pressure points.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Will preach to the choir, So that's exactly what you do. Now.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
You have some Democrats that held town hall meetings during
the recess things like this in Republican districts. Right, continue
that strategy, okay, and hold these medicaid forms like this
in these republics and these vulnerable Republican districts. He's thirty
five districts and put the pressure on them.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
The reason, and again, I need people who are watching
and listening to understand why I'm so bothered by this.
I go back to what I've said in this previous segment.
Not Macross micro, they got to pick them off. Go
to my iPad. You go to Kentucky and you go

(49:38):
to this SOB's district, You go to Andy Barr's district.
You go to his district and guess what do you know?
Why you go to his district because you got a
Senate race, because Mitch mccowen's retiring, Kentucky has a Democratic governor. Hey,
you could potentially flip Kentucky's Senate seat.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
That's where you go. I just think again.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
When I was my first National Association a Black Journalis convention,
Ben we go to New York, a group of US
with Texas, A and m.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
SO.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
We had luncheons and other events, and one of my classmates,
Roland why.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
You ain't sitting with us at the luncheon because none
of y'all can get me a job.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Why am I going to sit with people who I
already know, I'm going to sit at a table where
I don't know nobody. They were like, damn, I ain't
never thought about it that way.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
That's been my manna telling my entire life.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
If I'm Jeffries, to Michael's point, I'm not going preach
to the choir. I'm trying to go recruit to new
choir members. And wherever I go, I need to have
cameras with me. And here's the media attention, uh being

(51:19):
that actually gets to what Matt said. If the Democratic leader,
Hai King Jeffries shows up in the congressional district of
my matter of fact, if I'm ha King Jeffries, give

(51:42):
me one second. Everybody need everybody to understand something. House
members have congressional offices, so give me one second. I
know it's on here, boom right here, go to my iPad.

(52:03):
These are the five congressional districts offices of Mike Johnson.
I'm I'm having my news conference outside of his damn
office in Rusting Ben and you know where all the

(52:25):
covert is gonna be the coverage is gonna be local,
and it's gonna be statewide, and it's gonna be national,
and it's gonna be like, did y'all see what happened today?
Hakeen Jeffries took four Democrats.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
To the to the.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
District of Speaker Mike Johnson and held the news conference
outside of his office and held up placards showing how
many people in his own district are gonna be impacted
by Medicaid cuts and snap cuts. The local story bent
becomes national. They ain't getting no coverage. They're a new

(53:08):
matter of fact, I might be the only show in
America that played a little bit of that news conference.

Speaker 9 (53:20):
Roland, I feel you're angst and I share it because
we have to pause and ask ourselves. Are these people
equal to the task of fighting fascism as we're facing
it right now? And again, I'm of the opinion I
might be one of the few, but I'm of the
opinion that they know exactly what they're doing. This is

(53:40):
the path of least resistance to get nothing done. There
is a path of least resistance to get everything done
to stop Magga.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
And you've already laid it out.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
Show up in their neighborhood, show up at their offices,
knock on their doors. That's easy. That's good media, that's
good publicity. That's what every politician would actually want, if
they were actually on our sight.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
So I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
I'm of the opinion that Hakeem Jefferies may not really
want to stop MAGA.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I just I just listen.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I think Michael, I think he does want to stop MAGA.
I just think that you have to. You got to
have what Dyon always said, I.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Need some folks with some dog in him.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Come on, you can't play this thing nice.

Speaker 23 (54:32):
The old political paradigm is gone Trump and MAGA has
completely demolished that thing.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Okay, listen.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Republican presidential consultant media commentator David Gergan died today.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
David Gergan I him on see an end. David Gergon
was very soft, very sensible. How we approached that don't happen.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Now you got to sit here and scrap. You gotta say, nah,
this is war, this is not this ain't boxing, this
ain't even mma.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Nah, this is straight up. I got to take your
ass out politically.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And so the strategy has to be all right, how
can I call attention? How can we drive media attention?
How can we build awareness? How can we piss them off?
How can we get under their skin? That's how you
do it, you say, as matter of fact, my ass

(55:38):
would have done this here. I would have said, we're
gonna be in Louisiana all day. We gonna do one
at to go back to my iPad. We gonna do
an event at the see. I'm gonna do it at the
Rusting office. I'm gonna do one at the Derinter office.
I'm gonna do one at the Bolsue City Office, and
then I'm gonna go to the campus of north where
they got a po box, Northwestern State University. And if

(55:59):
I say, you know what, I can't get Hakem to
be an all of them.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
That ain't a problem. Hakem.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
You're gonna do one in rushing and the one closest
to rushing. Then we're gonna send Debbie to one of
the other ones, and we're gonna send Robin to one
of the other ones. And then we're gonna send the
other uh uh, the woman in California to the other one.
And we're gonna sit here and blit stay ass and
you know where the cover is gonna be. House Democrats

(56:26):
call out Speaker of Mike Johnson.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
In his own district on Friday.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Local media gonna coverage, State media is gonna cover it,
National media's gonna coverage. If I'm them, I'm live streaming
every single one of the news conferences.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I'm gonna push it on social.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Media and all the blogs, and I'm gonna send the
signal to everybody in the House leadership, were coming to
your district next and that's what I say. Next week,
were coming to you Freedom caucas We're gonna hit all y'all.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Dot you got to have.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
If you're trying to win a game, the game plan
that you won with ten fifteen years ago. Different game, right,
It's a different game plan.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
Exactly because it's a different game. So, first and foremost voters,
regardless of whether they're Democrats, Republicans and independence, they want
to vote for a fighter. They want to vote for
somebody who's fighting for them. That goes back to the
conversation that we had. I think it was last week
when you had Jasmine Crockett on and I was on,
and that's something that you all talked about.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
So that's number one. Number two.

Speaker 10 (57:37):
I've said it on the show before and a couple
of weeks ago, three weeks ago, so I just finished
watching the last episode of the fourth season of A
Godfather of Harlem. I've said, we need more politicians like
a Bumpy Johnson, because a Bumpy Johnson was straight up
fighting the mafia, but he was also trying to protect

(57:58):
Harlem and protect his people. So this is a different
game that's being played. I think Hakim say cool Jeffreyes
wants to defeat Maga. Okay, I totally I totally understand that,
and I totally believe that. But the way that you
have to go with this, you you're fighting against something
that's unorthodox.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
So you talked about MMA.

Speaker 10 (58:20):
The reason why people have to start cross training in
UFC was because the strikers were getting beaten by the grapplers.
That's why strikers, people practicing karate things like this had
to start studying Brazilian jiu jitsu because they were getting
it behind kick because it was unorthodox to them. So
when you fight against an unorthodox opponent, you have to

(58:42):
change your strategy. So this this is what has to happen,
and we have to realize that we have to have
real fighters, and some of the people who are Democrat
incumbents right now have to be voted out of office
in more progressive Democrats.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
They who are sensible.

Speaker 10 (58:56):
Practices, not this prying the sky stuff, but sensible residents
who are fighters are going to have to replace them.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
All right, folks, I gotta go to a quick break.
We'll come back.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Last of we we talk about Maryland Mosey's conviction overturned
Nigeria basically said to Trump, hell no, we ain't taking
them down, prisoners, undocumented workers. Also, Oh, it's a whole
bunch of Trump people like, uh.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
We vote for this, Yeah you did.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
And I got a couple of things to say when
it comes to essence. And a lot of these people
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Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I am.

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Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I don't know, all right, y'all. Don't you just love

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these maga people? Let god, we didn't vote for this.
Oh my goodness, we didn't vote for this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
We had a couple of for you, uh Commedia Andrews
Schultz uh talked about what's going on and also the
people have more perfect union.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
They put together the old video showing all of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
These crime maga people who were just shocked in the
stunned that these things are happening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
But hashtag we tried to tell you roll it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I believe that about Trump.

Speaker 25 (01:02:37):
I believe when Trump everything he campaigned on, I believe
he wanted to do, and now he's doing the exact
opposite thing.

Speaker 26 (01:02:44):
I know what he's done exactly. To your point, if
you tell me, it's easier for me to believe you
you wanted to do all these things if any of
them were happening in the way that you said there.

Speaker 25 (01:02:55):
To that point, like, there will be people that are like,
they'll do me and be like you see what you
see what your boy doing? You voted for this, I'm like,
I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact
opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to
stop the wars, he's funding them. I want him to
shrink spending the buddies, he's increasing it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
It's like everything that he said.

Speaker 25 (01:03:14):
He's going to do except sending immigrants back, everything, and
now he's even flip flopped on that, which I kind
of like. But he's like, oh well, we kind of
need the people working in restaurants and we need our farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
He said.

Speaker 25 (01:03:24):
It's like everything that he said that he was going
to do that he can can't play.

Speaker 26 (01:03:27):
He said to us, which was important, and I thought
it was good. He pressed him on it. You got
to start with the criminals in terms of deporting. I
don't think he's I don't even know if the criminals
are getting sent back. I know there's a lot of
people with gris, people with green cars getting sent back.
There's there's people who aren't criminals getting sent back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I don't know if.

Speaker 26 (01:03:44):
You're sending back the criminals first. You definitely had it
him at first. I don't if you're sending him back
at all. So nothing has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
My medication.

Speaker 24 (01:03:51):
It runs twenty thousand dollars a month without insurance. I
make eight hundred dollars a month. Oh, that will kill me.
That would kill my friends, would kill millions of people
in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That's they lose their health care.

Speaker 19 (01:04:04):
We're in California's District twenty two, a rural community in
the state Central Valley. This district voted for Trump for
the first time in twenty twenty four, but now his
policies threatened one of the benefits people here rely on
the most.

Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
It bothers me when people like you must say that
people on those programs are the parasite class.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
It's just curl.

Speaker 19 (01:04:27):
Do you know anyone personally who voted for President Trump
but depends on benefits like Medicaid?

Speaker 26 (01:04:34):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know a lot of people.

Speaker 15 (01:04:37):
True promise a lot of things Ida it will be
my family valid and those programs that really do where
they need here.

Speaker 19 (01:04:47):
One of those promises was to protect Medicaid, which sixty
seven percent of people in this district rely on. It's
the largest percentage of any district in the entire country.

Speaker 17 (01:04:57):
Can be guarantee it Medit here.

Speaker 8 (01:04:59):
Medicaid will yeah, I mean, I have said it so
many times.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
We're not going to touch it.

Speaker 19 (01:05:04):
But his administration just proposed an eight hundred and eighty
billion dollar cut to Medicaid over the next ten years.
So we wanted to come here to find out how
people are feeling about Trump and his administration's decision that
could have a huge impact on one of the benefits
they rely on the most.

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):
What is this.

Speaker 19 (01:05:23):
One resident who would be impacted by Medicaid cuts is
sixty four year old Irma Aredondo, who voted for Trump
in twenty twenty four. Irma has several chronic health issues,
including type one diabetes. She's also a full time caregiver
for her daughter, who has cerebral palsy, and her sister,
who has Turner syndrome.

Speaker 27 (01:05:43):
Valerie have for medication for her seizures.

Speaker 15 (01:05:46):
She needs care everything now, just give a stus to her.
His Charlie's fastly with her until she felt asleep.

Speaker 28 (01:05:55):
Sounds like you take really good care of her.

Speaker 15 (01:05:57):
Oh my baby is my dog.

Speaker 28 (01:06:00):
So you, your sister Irene, and your daughter Valerie, you're
all on a Medicaid And.

Speaker 19 (01:06:08):
How important is medicaid for your family?

Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
Can you imagine? We live in the deli basis with
sicknesses just for that, Yeah, for the cholesterol too. This
is also for my pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
So Medicaid pays for all of that.

Speaker 19 (01:06:29):
Yes, if you didn't have Medicaid, how much would this
cost you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
How much money?

Speaker 15 (01:06:35):
Thousands? Maybe?

Speaker 17 (01:06:38):
And that's just for you, not for your daughter, not
for your sister.

Speaker 15 (01:06:43):
The medicine that my daughter tooks for or seizures, I
won't be able to afford it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
So we feel hopeless.

Speaker 15 (01:06:52):
Its come, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
What we're going to do.

Speaker 19 (01:06:57):
Irma was a farm worker for more than a decade.
She believes that some of her and her children's health
issues can be linked to the pesticides she was exposed
to while working in the fields.

Speaker 15 (01:07:07):
When I was pritting on my child, I was working
in the field. I remember it was this little airplane
and sprayed us. But when my baby born, the doctor
just said, oh, oh, something's missing. And when he gave
me my baby, my baby doesn't hawk her arm.

Speaker 28 (01:07:28):
So with these risks that you and your community face
in agriculture and men, and then to have the system
threatened to take away your health insurance, to take away protection,
how does it make you feel?

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
Like I told you, I feel like these tuppy nuts
in the back, you know. But why when we put
food on their tables? Do you know that our health?
Look at me right now, Look at me. How many
services that I have? That's the opilia.

Speaker 15 (01:08:03):
I didn't have the opilia at that time.

Speaker 16 (01:08:05):
We got all in the fields.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Where else?

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
We're seeking permanent income tax cuts all across the board.

Speaker 19 (01:08:13):
The eight hundred and eighty billion dollars in medicaid cuts
proposed in President Trump's budget will help pay to permanently
extend his twenty seventeen tax cuts.

Speaker 28 (01:08:23):
The largest tax breaks would go to the wealthiest individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Are those your values?

Speaker 15 (01:08:29):
No, there's no way four k Panacetanto recorded see Danto
recorded and.

Speaker 28 (01:08:39):
Named Dundee In the last election, who did you vote for?

Speaker 27 (01:08:47):
I've embrased to tell you that before years, all the
years back went since I got my citizenship, I say
I was a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
But then.

Speaker 15 (01:09:01):
And these last elections, A book is a republic Why
because I'm against version spam is then valoris that I
grew up with values. You know incienspalis family values, family balus.

Speaker 19 (01:09:19):
Irma isn't the only one in District twenty two who
feels betrayed by the administration's plan to cut Medicaid.

Speaker 29 (01:09:27):
The only people they're hurting are those four people people
that really need.

Speaker 13 (01:09:31):
The story world.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Elon Musk doesn't Trompon does are and you know, millionaires
don't need it.

Speaker 20 (01:09:39):
They're making out big time with this, but they're hurting
people in the process.

Speaker 19 (01:09:44):
District twenty two's representative is David Valadeo, a Republican who
voted in favor of the budget resolution to cut Medicaid
after initially voicing concerns about how potential cuts to social
programs could affect his constituents. If just to you, Republicans
vote no on the final legislation they could stop medicaid

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from being cut.

Speaker 18 (01:10:06):
The folks in this district have voted for him because
he in the past has been able to stand up
against his party. But now he's really stuck between a
rock and a hard place, because it seems as if
the Trump administration is going to really ask for loyalty
from him and for him to play ball on every
single issue, not just the issues that play well in

(01:10:27):
this district, and so that might mean that they expect
him to vote for things that are going to hurt
his constituents directly.

Speaker 28 (01:10:37):
If we could go back to November, who would you
vote for now?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Seeing what you see.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I get at that point, you just wouldn't have voted
I neither.

Speaker 28 (01:10:49):
It's very sad that there's no political leadership that you
feel you can vote for.

Speaker 15 (01:10:56):
Maybe you know they like you said, Coritus or Republican.
Maybe they have I'm not going to say that everything
is bad, but the most important things, but the only
good things is for them to us always going to
be the bad things.

Speaker 28 (01:11:14):
You know you feel that way, It's always going to
be the bad things for you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I'm embarrassed to say. I don't want to say a
voted Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Then he asked if you could go back, I wouldn't vote.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Okay, your ass. You said that and literally was crying
about you might lose your health care. In fact, I

(01:12:05):
just want you all to understand logic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I voted for Republicans because of abortion. But the same
Republicans want to take away my healthcare and I could die. Oh,

(01:12:36):
the same Republicans who claim their pro life gut at usaid.
That's gonna kill millions across the world. Ah, but you
voted for them because of abortion. Now, let me be

(01:12:58):
perfectly clear. I know some people who are arn't opponents
of abortion. Okay, your anti abortion, but are you pro life? See,
you can't call yourself pro life if you support people

(01:13:19):
who cut Medicaid because folks will die when rural hospitals
shut down, when nursing homes shut down. You cannot call
yourself pro life voting for people who cut snap benefits
when the food and security in America and people thirty
thousand people in America die annually do to hunger. You

(01:13:42):
cannot call yourself pro life if they are a slashy
international aid that's keeping people alive, that's keeping people alive
when it comes to HIV AIDS, when it comes to starvation,
we can go on and do y'all know that when
Trump got in there and Elon Musk got in and

(01:14:03):
they immediately cut off aid, that a seventy eight year
old woman in a ME and mar camp died because
she went to the hospital every day to get oxygen
and when they cut the money off, then they couldn't
give her the oxygen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
And she died.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
But now you mad, y'all, that's the silly, dumb shit
we deal with in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
That ain't no different than all these food's going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
I want Trump getting there that damn that's right, ed
better shit here and get rid of that damn Obamacare.
Don't you touch my Affordable Care Act. It's the same.

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I'm sorry, matt all. I have within my thoughts in
the prayers.

Speaker 12 (01:15:10):
You know, I don't revel in people suffering, and I
think it's tough for me to know that there are
people suffering.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 12 (01:15:17):
You have to suspend disbelief to vote for Trump when
you know, even though he's first off promised he wasn't
going to touch medicaid. I mean, Medicaid covers twenty percent
of the American population seventy million people, something like forty
percent of children are on medicaid, and sixty percent of
Medicaid benefits go to the elderly and people in nursing homes. Right,

(01:15:39):
so's it's really like you had to know what you
were voting for, and it's now that you're affected. I
don't feel any sympathy for that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
I don't want to know.

Speaker 12 (01:15:49):
I don't want to see that people are needlessly suffering.
But the other thing is Trump is a known quantity.
So it's not like this is a person who's not
shown us who he was, how he moves, what his
administration was going to do. I mean, Michael was talking
about and you were talking about Project twenty twenty five
on this show.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
For a very long time before elections, people knew.

Speaker 12 (01:16:08):
What they were voting for, and they didn't think they
were going to be the ones affected. And out that
they're affected, they're you know, calling a mayakopa. And you
don't get to do that because in the meantime that
you were casting that vote, you weren't thinking about your
fellow citizens who were going to be affected by those policies.
And now that you're casting that net you know, it's
very hard to feel sympathy for you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
But you know, I think we.

Speaker 12 (01:16:31):
Also have a much larger issue with our healthcare system
in general and the way it works. And I think
we as a society need to make healthcare a primary
human right so that you know, we don't have this
patchwork of beneficiaries and patchwork of benefit systems.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
But I guess that's a conversation for a different time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
These folk, they are getting everything, yes, yes, I'm sorry, yes,
being they're getting everything they voted for.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I'm you know, I definitely identify with Matt and not.
You know, this is hard for me, And the reason
it's hard for me is because the complexity of the
issues but the simplicity of the talking points that Republicans
have mastered for which we don't have a reply to,
at least we don't have it in a meaningful way

(01:17:23):
a book, for example. There are people who will completely
shut off every other part of their brain and focus
on that without any reflection on any other layer. And
to me, I believe that this is the threshold we
had to go through. Unfortunately, we had to come to
this place where people would realize you've been had but
we have to make sure they have to understand why
they've been had because they did not look at the

(01:17:45):
issues significantly enough, with enough clarity. They were one issue voter,
and even on that issue that they voted for, they
got played. And if we don't usher in a generation
of a body politic that actually thinks and realize that
any party that is trying to sell you something simple
as a single talking point like abortion, they're taking advantage

(01:18:08):
of you. But I don't believe that we could have
gotten to this place as a nation without going through
this dark spot where now people are coming to their
senses because it's hurting them.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
But if we don't seize on this moment.

Speaker 9 (01:18:19):
And revealed to them, here's why you got played, here's
how you got played because you lean on one topic
that they're not even true to, which is abortion. If
we don't catalyze and capitalize on this moment, then Republicans
are going to run the same exact play in twenty
twenty six and twenty twenty eight and going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I mean and look, I mean Michael galluper is a
new poll out showing massive dissatisfaction with Trump's immigration plans.
Republicans love it, but Democrats and independence. Absolutely not his
supporter's creator.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
But guess what we tried to tell you.

Speaker 10 (01:18:55):
Absolutely absolutely so first and all, first and foremost.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
I have a list here. Number one. If you are.

Speaker 10 (01:19:02):
Against abortion, god damn it, don't give an abortion.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
It's pretty simple, okay.

Speaker 10 (01:19:08):
And this is what happens when you have single issue voters,
because the policies of Republicans decimate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
All the other issues you care about.

Speaker 10 (01:19:17):
You talked about USAID, as I said last week, it
suspected that three hundred thousand, three hundred thousand people worldwide
have already died because of USA Aid being cut off.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
That's from the Boston University analysis.

Speaker 10 (01:19:31):
You talk about Medicaid, It's suspected that fifty one thousand
Americans are going to die each year because of loss
of Medicaid coverage. That's Yale University. When we look at Maga,
Maga is a death coat.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Okay. Now what I found interest in here?

Speaker 10 (01:19:48):
She said if she didn't vote for Republicans, she wasn't
going to vote.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
I don't think she mentioned.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
Kamala Harris at all, like that wasn't a viable alternative.
And this gets to something I don't know this woman.
My heart goes out to her. But also we have
to realize we're dealing with sexism in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
We're dealing with racism in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
You're nice, My heart doesn't go out to her, but
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (01:20:14):
We're dealing with sexism in this country. We're dealing with
racism in this country and within the Latino community, which
is broad.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
You're talking about people coming from different countries.

Speaker 10 (01:20:24):
Okay, there is also a bias towards African Americans because
some Latinos identify more with their white ancestry than their
Afro Latino ancestry or a Native American ancestry, what have you. Okay,
so we're dealing with these multiple issues. But yeah, hashtag,

(01:20:44):
we tried to tell you, but this is what happens
when you're stuck on stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
What about homewor was say in that when a white
woman calling the N word, I'm sorry, it's above me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Now, it's above me now? All right, y'all speaking of stupid?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Oh you know what mainstream med the right wing anything
that Joe Biden said. These folk lost they damn mind.
This is this dumb shit that Trump does. The White
House literally put this on Twitter. Y'all of him dressed
like Superman. And see, now, don't goles pull a tweet up,

(01:21:23):
pull a tweet up, y'all have it. It's stupid and
what kills me is what kills me is again, if
a Democrat had done any of this, if Kamila Harris
that Joe, they will be losing their mind. But see,
they have normalized his shir stupidity.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
The man posted the other week he was selling cologne.
I mean, but again it's like I'm crazy ass something
that's just chup Trump joking, that's just Trump joking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
But these mac of people really are stupid. So you know,
the new super Band movie came out, and lord, they
are losing their mind, y'all. They are losing their mind.
They are mad because the director, the director did the
movie and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Uh, he talked about Superman being an immigrant and oh mclose.
I mean that they have been like really angry. They've
been angry. They of set they mad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Uh, they've been doing deep dives on a fictional movie,
y'all because James Gunn, the director, made clear how he
was going to portray the character.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
And they sit in look at this. They've got woke.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
They've gotten woke, Dean Gate, Dean King. Look at this here,
Dean King. Superman has always stood for truth, justice in
the American way, and the American way is immigrant friendly, Okay,
tremendously immigrant friendly, but there are rules. I think that

(01:23:08):
was a mistake by James Gunn to say it's an
immigrant thing, and I think it's gonna hurt the numbers
on the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Really, really, that's you, Dan King? Y'all about Dan kin
play a Superman? I think Dan Kine forgot this scene.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Immigration and naturalization.

Speaker 7 (01:23:41):
We just need a quick look at your green card,
green card?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Have the audio off, please.

Speaker 29 (01:23:46):
Superman of prendunceil we get this cleared up, I'm gonna
have to ground you, Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Hold up, hold up, I think y'all missed this. I'm
gonna play it again.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Came like, hey, Man, don't do don't don't don't be
talking about no immigrant stuff and Superman?

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Is this you Dean Superman Emily Stevens with immigration and naturalization?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Do we just need a quick look at your green card,
green card?

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
You are an alien?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Are you not Superman? I'm a prend.

Speaker 29 (01:24:24):
Until we get this cleared up, I'm gonna have to
ground you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Feel kind of stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
He feels kind of stupid right now, Michael, Like, they
literally had a scene of immigration Naturalization rolling up on
you saying you ain't got your green card.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
They're idiots.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
Dean Kin starred on the TV show Lowis and Clark
I think it was called back in the nineteen nineties,
playing Superman. Yeah, this is probably coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
To haunt him. I saw some of his comments about.

Speaker 10 (01:25:17):
This movie, and yes, Superman is an immigrant from another
planet that comes in, saves the shaves America, saves the world.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
But to say that they're.

Speaker 10 (01:25:33):
Going to lose, They're going to lose viewers and things
like this, people going to the movie. I'm not so
sure about that because of this take on it. But
at the same time, let's just be honest. DC movies
don't do that well in the first place. Okay, let's
just be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Okay, DC movies don't do that well in the first place.
I don't know anybody that was waiting for a new
Superman movie to come out. I'm sorry, Okay, But.

Speaker 10 (01:26:00):
At the same time, yeah, this is ridiculous coming from
the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
This is what ge Okay, you got Texas floods.

Speaker 10 (01:26:06):
You got over one hundred people missing, and this is
the nonsense that the White House puts out on on X.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
Okay, Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 (01:26:15):
But at the same but it's important to note that
I think black women are going to be Donald Trump's kryptonite.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Well, well, what's dumb like? Like literally this tweet?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
This is when it's idiot Clay Travis, Okay, right winger,
He goes, So Laura Travis, the only a lawyer, former
NFL cheerleader, Superhero movie nerd Combo on the Planet says
Superman is clearly a legal immigrant, and she texts me
this four part legal analysis that makes it crystal clear. Now, y'all,

(01:26:48):
I'm not playing that bullshit. I'm not playing at all.
It's like a foreign a half bened video. But that
shows you how stupid you are. So now to try
to say no, no, no, no no, Superman is a
legal im grant and oh I'm sorry. Dean Kin say
it's gonna hurt the box office, and Michael said, well,
I don't know. I don't know if it's gonna I
don't know if it's what it's gonna do. According to

(01:27:15):
Deadline dot Com, Superman leaves to fifty five million on Friday,
now flying to one hundred and fifteen million opening. I
think Maga looks pretty stupid right now. Ben folk don't
give a shit what they think about Superman being an immigrant.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
They're flocking to the movie theater. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
One thing we know about magg is they don't care
about how stupid they look.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
They that doesn't phaze them. But I would like to
lean in on one thing.

Speaker 9 (01:27:45):
I think this is bear with me, but I think
this is a sign of their fascism more than anything else,
because one of the there's two things that fascism has
to do. One, it has to rewrite myths. It has
to make sure that there's no story, no no, no
archetype in our lexicon that goes against them. So if

(01:28:05):
they have to rewrite Superman, they'll do it, no matter
how stupid it makes them look in public.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
And then the other thing is memory. They have to
erase memory.

Speaker 9 (01:28:13):
They need a generation to be born that never remember
the fact that Superman has always been All our comic books,
for that matter, all of our science fiction, from Star
Trek to X Men, all of it has been woke
to make it, you know, to put a fine point
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I mean that that's the thing that cracks me up,
you know, Matt. See, the maga's issue is they want
everything done through the prism of whiteness, and especially white men,
because that's also who controls media. All these cats with
these shows, they're white man. Jesse Waters, Sean Hannity, Tucker

(01:28:50):
calls and play Travis, what's the other idiot? Buck Sexton,
Eric Eric should all these white guys blah blah blah
blah blah, and they're complaining what all been you know,
looks like look at this, here, look at this. James
Gunn Superman made twenty two point five million in box office.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Previews, the biggest of the year so far.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I guess maga's whining and complaining that had no impact.

Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
Matt oh well, I have four thoughts.

Speaker 12 (01:29:27):
The first is, if Superman is listening, I don't think
you're subject to the jurisdiction of earthly law. So I'm
happy to represent you for free of being a citizen
of Krypton.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Number one, number two. As it relates to, you know, immigrants.

Speaker 12 (01:29:39):
One of the things I think is very interesting here
is the fact that Trump is now reversing course because
he realizes that he wants to exploit the immigrants who
are here working the jobs that Americans don't want to work.
Let's be honest about it. That's the real hustle here
is that where they're okay with exploit, exploitive, you know, conduct,
where they're okay with getting more of a benefit they give,

(01:30:00):
they're okay with allowing that immigration.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
I will never forget.

Speaker 12 (01:30:03):
I knew a woman years ago, die hard, a Republican,
who said, oh, I'm so against illegal immigration, but then
she whispered, but you know who you need to hire
when you need a fence built. And that's exactly what
this situation is, which is, oh, now we're going to
reverse course because we want to make sure there are
people that are picking the fruit that Americans don't want
to pick. As to the AI thing, you know, I

(01:30:24):
think that is part and parcel with a lot of
why we're seeing this f around and find out is
that people have latched onto the cult of Trump as
a personality and not what he's actually going to do
as a politician. And that's why the White House it's
crazy that the White House is tweeting out pictures like that,
He's selling Tesla's on the White House lawn. He's selling

(01:30:44):
all the things that he's selling because for him it's
another grift. But for people who have bought into that cult,
the pageantry of the trump Ism, it's about him and
it's not about anything else. It's not about the actual
political part of it and the idea that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
It was going to kill the box office or whatever.

Speaker 12 (01:31:01):
I mean, that's just another you know, unsubstantiated thing. But
it's ridiculous with immigration in particular, because all these people
are in favor of immigration until they can exploit the
immigrant and then they're okay with them being here, and
that to me is abhorrent and morally, you know, dishonest.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Well, you can always bank on the idiots, but I
also love it sometimes when the clap back is great.
So for instance, Nigeria, you know, Trump's been telling all
these African countries and others, y'all will take hood, will.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
We send you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Well, they'd be like, nah, we ain't quite doing that,
we ain't doing that. So I remember he met with
these five African leaders earlier this week, Okay, earlier this week,
and what happened the Nigerian The Nigerian leaders said, this
is a this is a foreign minister Nigeria, you self

(01:31:52):
too guard, He said, you know what, I'm gonna go
ahead and go Flavor Flave on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Roll it.

Speaker 21 (01:32:01):
Considerable pressure on these African countries to accept a Venezuelan's
deported to be deported from the US, some straight out
of prison.

Speaker 13 (01:32:13):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
It will be difficult for a country like.

Speaker 30 (01:32:15):
Nigeria to accept uh Venezuelan prisoners into Nigeria. We have
in the famous words of I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Know if you know the US WRAP group called public Enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
If you if? If?

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
If?

Speaker 30 (01:32:36):
Because if you do, then you'll remember a line from
a Flavor Flab, a member who said, Flavor Flab has problems.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Of his own.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
I can't do nothing for you men. We have enough
problems of our own.

Speaker 30 (01:32:56):
We cannot accept Venezuelan deportees to Nigeria. For crying out loud,
we already have two hundred and thirty million people. You
would be the same people that would castigate us if
we acquiesce to accepting Venezuelan's from US prisons to be.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Brought Are we under pressure? Are we under pressure from
the Americans? From the Americans, from the US.

Speaker 30 (01:33:23):
Some of these are some of the discussions that have
been ongoing, not just with Nigeria but also with other countries.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
My man, right now, now we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
We're good married like now flavor flow its flavor flops?

Speaker 7 (01:33:40):
Then are we good? We're good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
I just think you gotta be arrogant as hell being
to go, oh, we're gonna seeing you. Hope, we want
to see you if they ain't from your country, and
y'all better take them.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Yeah, there's no shortage of Donald Trump and the.

Speaker 9 (01:34:01):
Magic, the absurdity of thinking that they could apply pressure
to get that done, just.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
The absurdity of wanting to do it right.

Speaker 9 (01:34:10):
But they're hanging this deportation thing as a threat over everyone,
and they're also extending this threat to black people on
a regular basis across social media.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
They're pitching it as a threat.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
But if I could dis invert that on his head,
I mean, to get a free ticket out of Babylon
before the fall, or to get a free ticket out
of Egypt before.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
The ten plagues commenced.

Speaker 9 (01:34:31):
I mean, because what Donald Trump is really doing to
this country, it might be doing these immigrants of favor
to get them out of here first. So anyone who's
threatening to deport me. I honestly rolling at this point,
I might take a free trip.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
For all of my African friends. Do is it if
Trump pulls this stuff again? Y'all need a comment? This
is all they gotta do, Michael, it comes from Friday.
All my African friends, y'all gotta say nothing. This is

(01:35:10):
universally known in Black America. Man, get out here with
that bullshit. That's all they gotta say.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Don't Yeah, well don't well.

Speaker 10 (01:35:24):
I appreciate Yusef Tugar referencing Public Enemy. They were very
influential hip hop group and one of their anthems was
fight the power.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
And this is exactly what Nigeria is doing.

Speaker 10 (01:35:37):
Hopefully President Tembu does not acquiesce to Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Hopefully Nigeria will stand strong.

Speaker 10 (01:35:44):
Yes, they have their own problems, know they didn't don't
need to acquiesce to a dictator, a tyrant trying to
trying to deport people to a third country, just like
they did eight men to South Sudan. Okay, So this
is something good. I hope it continues. But this is
how Donald Trump thinks of African nations and African leaders

(01:36:09):
that he collectively refers to as s whole countries.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
He thinks he.

Speaker 10 (01:36:13):
Could just bully them and do whatever, and they're just
going to accept it. Okay, So Africa has to unite
and push back against this want to be dictator, this tyrant.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Yeah, they right, don Wayne taking nobody. I don't go Dan,
what you think? All y'all going to a break. We'll
be right back rollingdud unfiltered all the Black Stunn Network.

Speaker 17 (01:36:36):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Kall, we
look at one of the most influential and prominent Black
Americans of the twentieth century. His work literally changed the world.
Among other things, he played a major role in creating
the United Nations. He was the first African American and
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(01:36:58):
and yet today he is hard lea household make.

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We're talking, of course, about Ralph J.

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Speaker 17 (01:37:05):
A new book refers to him as the absolutely indispensable made.

Speaker 13 (01:37:10):
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(01:37:31):
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Author cal Rastilla will join us to share his incredible story.

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That's on the next Black Table here on the Black
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Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Hi everybody, I'm Kim Colfey, I'm Donnie Simpson from Blackness
and you want.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Un filthy Lord Baltimore's at attorney Marrel Well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
We got some good news today and appeals court ruled
in her favor, overturning her.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Mortgage fraud conviction.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
The US Circuit Court of Appeals forte two to one
that her case was quote improperly tried.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
That's right, and properly tried. In Maryland.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Judge Stephanie Thacker and G. Stephen ag supported the former prosecutor.
Judge Paul Neimayer wrote a separate opinion, agreeing with part
of the majority decision and dissenting on other points. The
course stated that the jury had received erroneous instructions regarding
the proper venue for the case and upholding Mosby's two
perjury convictions to paralel agree with the trial judge determination

(01:38:37):
the evidence concerning her retirement fund withdraws was both relevant
and admissible. All right, then, folks, Now let's talk about
this emil bole. Of course, he is really somebody who
has no business serving on the federal bench.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
In a lifetime appointment.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
So when you give a questionnaire to turn to the
Senate Judiciary Committee, well, he didn't answer the question as
to whether or not Donald Trump could serve a third term.
He also offered no perspective on what happened on January sixth. Now,
a whistleblower has come forward with notes showing that Bob
pretty much said, f the Supreme Court, we can do

(01:39:19):
what we want.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
When it came to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Abrago Garcia, he was asked that both was asked that
if you agree with the twenty second Amendment, which prohibits
a third term, he said it wasn't appropriate for him
to answer quote an abstract hypothetical scenario. I'm sorry, Matt,

(01:39:41):
I don't recall a constitutional amendment being abstract.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Now it's not.

Speaker 12 (01:39:49):
And you know, to add to this, I saw some lawyers,
primarily from New York, talking about this where one of
their wives had worked within and was like sounding the alarm, like,
under no circumstances can this guy become, you know, be
on the federal bench. That that what you see out

(01:40:10):
in public is worse than what is I mean, sorry,
what you see behind closed doors with him is worse
than what you're saying out in public.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
And if you recall, if I remember correctly, he's the.

Speaker 12 (01:40:18):
One who wrote that really strongly worded letter about dismissing
the case against Eric Adams when the Southern District of
New York US attorney and her staff that were you know,
formerly US attorney didn't want to dismiss it. If you
remember that, it was pretty heavy handed. So none of
this surprises me. But what's scary about this is, you know,

(01:40:40):
I mean, the way the Supreme Court is ruling these days,
and the way the executive is given unfettered power via
those rulings. You know, there's no real check on this,
especially when you have a Congress that may pass him through, right,
I mean, because they've got control of the Congress.

Speaker 7 (01:40:56):
So that's really it's a terrifying thing.

Speaker 12 (01:40:58):
But here's a perfect exam sample of a person who
we really should have major questions about their temperament to
be a judge.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
And just their ability to be a fair jurist.

Speaker 12 (01:41:08):
Because right before I came on the show, I was
talking to our runner here at the law firm about
how in Texas we're one of the few places where
you can still directly elect the judge. And ironically, I
was telling him the reason I think that's a problem
is because a judge should not be partisan. You shouldn't
step into her courtroom yep, and say she's a Republican,
I'm not going to get a fair deal. Well, with
the mill Bow, that is precisely what you're doing, because

(01:41:30):
in all the capacities he's worked in, he's made it
exceedingly clear that his job is to advance Donald Trump's agenda.
So when you go into his federal courtroom, you are
not going to get a fair shake, or you should
at least have a very healthy skepticism about whether you will.
And that's a problem, especially when you're shielded by the
highest office in the land.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Machaeley calls a hypothetical last night checked FDR was elected
four times. He's the reason why the twenty second Amendment
was passed. It was pasted roineteen forty seven, ratified.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Ninety five one. So actually it's not hypothetical.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
We actually have an example, and the example is why
we have ad amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:42:11):
Well, he didn't want to comment on that because Donald
Trump back in April said that he could serve a
third term.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:42:20):
And he also said when he was interview by Christian
Walker for Meet the Press, he also said that his
attorneys had figured out ways for them to do it.
And I researched this and they are absolutely correct it,
but they have to go to court to do it.
There's a difference. Everybody has to understand this. There's a
difference between running for a third term and serving a

(01:42:41):
third term. He can't run for a third term, but
there are three ways he can serve a third term
without changing the US Constitution.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
And it will get challenged in court. I guarantee you.

Speaker 10 (01:42:51):
By the time he goes to court, Clarence Thomas and
Samuel Leto would have resigned from the Supreme Court, and
he would appointed two more Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:43:03):
And it and it involves section two of the twenty
fifth Amendment of the US Constitution that nobody's talking about.
I can elaborate if you want me to, because I've
researched this. This is Donald Trump can serve a third term.
He can't run for a third term. There's a there's
a huge difference, Okay. And what we need to look
at is how.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
If anybody anybody listening. No, it's not that he can
serve a third term. No court, no court.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Has at that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
This this legal theory they're floating. No court has ruled
on that. They are saying.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
No, I said they have to go to court, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
But what you said he can survey a third term.
What I'm saying is no court is ruled on whether
it's elected or serve any of.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
That at all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
They are floating that legal theory at the Constitution in
terms of the twenty second Amendment says go.

Speaker 10 (01:43:51):
Ahead, well, well it's also about the twelfth Amendment to
the US Constitution. So they'll go to court to fight this.
But they got to. I think they got a good chance.
That's a winning because by the time these gets to
the Supreme Court, uh clans Thomas and Samuel Ledo would
have resigned, They would have retired, I'm sorry, would have retired.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Yeah, but that he that has nothing to do with
it because the reality is they rule for him and
everything anyway.

Speaker 10 (01:44:14):
Yeah, No, No, what I'm saying is is it will
be it will be five Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
He would have nominated God even though it's not a guarantee.
If if all five rules for him, then he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Well, he's been pissed off with Cony, Barrett or Gorsk
ruling against him, or've been Kavanaugh. So what I'm saying
so that that's immaterial. The bottom line is what they're
doing is the reason bolve being the reason. Bol does
not want to address it because he believes it. And
so that's what you're appointed him. He wants he wants

(01:44:48):
them won.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
The Federal bets hold on Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:44:51):
No, We're seeing the complete and total seizure of the judiciary,
one judge at a time, right, and we see this
across all the different levels of the judiciary. And and
this is the plan that twenty twenty five as as
well as Donald Trump and his own individual plan. This
is what they have been planning and rolling out and
executing with efficiency. We have seen several of the Supreme

(01:45:12):
Court people against Donald Trump, but then we've also seen
in some of the most critical decisions they fall right
in line. And so the Federalist Society, along with all
of these organic institutions, they are prepared to make this
happen on behalf of Donald Trump and I think we
have to govern ourselves accordingly. Like this is, if we
know the play, if we know the plan, we have
to absolutely undermine it with every possible way that we can.

(01:45:36):
I mean, I don't know exactly what all we can do,
but we can't simply sit back and watch it unfold
and be surprised when it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Can that comment on that?

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Yeah? Real quick?

Speaker 10 (01:45:46):
First of all, we got to realize, yes, it can happen,
because if people think the shit can't happen, then they
won't fight against it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Roll man, many hell la.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Obviously it can happen because at the end of the day,
Supreme Court can make any ruling. What's so, So we
understand that. But but it will be a significant legal fight,
uh if it actually gets that Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Go yeah, yeah, significant legal fight.

Speaker 10 (01:46:10):
Now here's the thing Donald Trump back to because so
much attention back in April, which signed on him serving
a third term and stories of being written about it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Then he backed away from it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:22):
Right, just a couple of days ago, Lord Ingraham was
in the White House and he unveiled Trump twenty Trump
twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
I think it was a jersey or something.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Or now now he actually acted. Actually that was like
a month ago. He actually did exactly. Okay, but here's
the thing he backed. First of all, him back in
the way is irrelevant. They've been selling that. Hold up,
they had missed it. Hold up, they have been actually
selling Trump twenty twenty eight merchandise. Okay, now twenty seconds ago.

Speaker 10 (01:46:52):
Yeah, but this story here puts the focus back on it, right,
And then you have a meal bowl saying he doesn't
want to comment on it, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Well, first of all, again, now, people, which is another
reason why his frankly, his nomination is trouble across the board.
And hopefully you have these Republicans who will have some guts.
And there have been some other there was some other
judicial nominees that have actually they've actually pulled off of
the table as a result of there's just them being
too troublesome. So again, that's what we certainly hope happens

(01:47:24):
in this case, folks. Look, I got to cut it short,
I got to go out of time. I'm going to
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a whole lot going on. And what we want to

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