Redistricting War Heats Up, Crockett Slams Trump Agenda, Massey Murder Trial, HBCU Prez Fights Back

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Heads about Republicans.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Look at the crowd. Does it looked like New York City?
Oh so, now y'all care about diversity equi inclusion. Yeah,
I got a couple of words to say about that.
And speaking of mom, Donnie, his dad made some comments
about the history of America, and all of these white
conservatives are losing their mind. Except he was right about

(00:27):
Hitler and Nazis and Jim Crow and indigenous people and Lincoln.
It's amazing what happens when you can't read. It's time
to bring the funk. I'm rolling back on filch it
on the Blacks Network.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Let's go, He's it, whatever it is, he's God finds,
he's right on top.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
And best believe he's going.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Franks Loston News to politics with entertainment. Just it's roll.

(01:17):
He's She's filed the question. No, he's rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Republicans initially said they did not have the votes in
in Indiana to redraw their districts, but Governor Mike Brown
sent out this statement today calling a special session in Indianapolish,
laying out exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
What he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So the special session will deal with redistricting and federal
and state tax issues. Now his what's interesting, he said, quote,
I'm calling a special legislative session to protectres from efforts
in other states that seek to diminish their voice in
Washington and ensure the representation in Congress is fair. I'm

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also asking the legislature to conform Indiana's tax code with
new federal tax provisions to ensure stability and certainty for
taxpayers and tax prepayers for twenty twenty six fives. Well,
that's kind of interesting because it's it was Republicans and
Donald Trump who actually started this war when it comes
to racist jerrymandering.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It started in Texas.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
California responded, Republicans got piscocause they thought California should just
be quiet and not do anything. And so then Virginia said,
we got you. You got Republicans in Ohio, in Florida, Georgia.
They're all trying to jerrymander. Even they're even talking about
trying to get rid of the only black seat in

(02:55):
South Carolina. And we already saw what Missouri did. They
got rid of Congressman Emmanuel Cleave receipt. These things are
going on now that there are a lot of folks
who are saying, well, this stuff is not right. It's
unfair in that you know what this is going to
hurt overall, But the reality is you have to fight
fire with fire. Republicans are scared to death that they're
going to lose anywhere from ten to twelve seats next year.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
As a result, they said, hey, we.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Got to sit here and we got to take as
many seats as we can to offset the losing of
those seats. They know they've screwed up with their policies.
You take ILove for example. Oh, they've gone for Donald
Trump twice. Their economy is in tatters because of his
tariff battle. Yeah, that's all on him. So all this

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is happening. And then, of course you got that Supreme
Court case, that callous case. Will do with that later
through Louisiana where that decision and basically on how their
questions went, we know how they're going to rule. That
decision could wipe out another twelve to nineteen up a
thirty seats, all across the South, mostly black, but also
involving some Latinos. So what we're dealing with is a

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massive realignment that could keep Democrats in the minority for
the next fifty years and solidified Republican rule in the House,
and you already see what's happening with the Senate joining
us right now. Cliff Fallbright, co founder Black Voters Matter, Cliff,
glad to have you here. This is we always talk
about elections have consequences, and we warn people repeatedly, Hey,

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if they get in, here's what's going to happen. And
all of these things are happening. So all of these
people who are running their mouths are going like, oh,
I can't believe they're doing this.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why they told you?

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Yeah, no, they told us exactly what they were going
to do. Kamalas told us exactly what they were going
to do. We had Black Voters Matter and a whole
bunch of organizations. You told everybody what they were going
to do, and that's exactly what they're doing. But what
you said is exactly what the goal is is to
create a permanent one party state. If they're able to
do this, and keep in mind that this is even

(05:08):
just at the congressional level. Right if they get rid
of the Voting Rights Act, not only can they attack
all those congressional seats at least nineteen and like you said,
possibly even up to thirty three.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
But this means that they can do it up and
down the ballot.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
They can read district and jerrymander and eliminate us at
the state legislatures, at the county commission level, at the
city council level, all these school boards, every issue that
we deal with that we value, from housing, to environment,
to jobs, you name it.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
On all these.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Issues, you would wipe out black leadership.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
It's the white completely wipe out black leadership and to
give black communities no voice.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Right, and I keep telling people, this is about defunding
Black America. It is attacking the political infrastructure. It's attacking academic,
it's attacking social, it's attacking nonprofit.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's what they're doing right now.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Now, it's right, and we need you know. The good
news is this, we have some tools that we can use.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Right.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
We saw we know what California is doing with Prop fifty,
which is not guaranteed. Right, So if you know somebody
in California, you need to be talking to them making
sure that they're going to go out and vote.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
We see what Virginia is doing.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
Right the Republican governor over there, young can lose his
mind all upset like clutching the pearls because the Virginia
Democrats decided that they would go after maybe two, maybe
even three seats in Virginia the counteract what's going on
in Texas and Missouri and some of these other states
and so but that's not enough, right if they continue
to push it in places like Ohio, maybe even places

(06:40):
like Florida, then we need Maryland. You know, Governor Moore
has been talking some good stuff right saying that he's willing.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
To fight fire with fire.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
But we need to keep the pressure on in Maryland,
and we definitely need to keep the pressure on in
some place like New York where it's very difficult because
of the way that they're redistricting process is set up.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
But still whatever power they.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Can do, like we need them to do with Virginia's
they where they found a way to say, oh, you
wanted us in session, and you never closed out that session,
so we're going to come back and we're going to
use that session right to push back. We need folks
in New York doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
One of the things that I remember a number of
years ago when I had my TV one show Washington,
watching Cornell Belcher argued that it was nonsensical. He argued
that black black folks should be thinking about.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
These districts differently.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, he said, in many of these cases, you've got
African Americans who are saying, hey, you know, we want
more seats, more seats, he said, But you have to
be have to understand what they're doing. He said, they
would love nothing more to pack as many black people
as possible into congressional seats in order to eliminate white Democrats.

(08:00):
Cornell argued, well, that hurts black power because the reality
is the issues that we advocate. You can be black,
you can be elected, but what power do you have
when you're not in the majority, when you're never the
chair of a committee, when you're never the chair of
a subcommittity.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And so we're seeing that right now.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So this is a story from the bulwark where you
have blacks in Maryland and Illinois who are saying, oh, no,
we're interested.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
This is they wrote.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
In a zoom meeting with Jeffers last week, members of
the Illinois Legislated Black Caucus may clear that they weren't
interested in redrawing their state's map if it meant diluting
the share of black voters in districts that have historically
been represented by black members. Given that it would be
nearly impossible to do a redraw without moving voters out
of these districts, it was interpreted as a pretty clear

(08:54):
note when I asked the sam nine as the piece.
When I asked State Senator Willie Preston, the Senate chair
the Illinois Legislate the Black Caucus, whether he was risking
disempowering Democrats and nationally in order for black democrats to
hold onto power in Illinois, he said he didn't give it.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Actually, this is a pay piece.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
He basically that he didn't care about helping democrats who
wants to protect black people. Okay, I get your point,
but you actually are not protecting black people if that's
your stances, if you're always going to be in the minority.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Because there's black folks in your state in Illinois who
won't have health care, who won't have access to education,
who won't have access to housing, who won't be able
to deal with police violence, and so by not protecting us, naturally,
you are hurting your own community, even in your own state.
Now that's a real issue. I don't want to ignore
that issue. Because in California, that's part of what we're

(09:53):
actually seeing with that Prop fifty, right, which is in
order to add those five districts, they had to move
around some stuff and as a result, some of the
some of the black districts may not you know, they'll
probably stay black, but they may not be as black, right,
And we have to have a conversation. I think what
you get in at is, look, you know, they can't

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all be seventy percent black or sixty five percent black.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Right.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
If it goes from sixty five to sixty.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
And we're able to protect the country and do it
so our communities across the country, then that's something that
we need to talk about. But the other issue is this,
we got to have a larger discussion around this entire
redistricting process, right. You know, I know you remember, just
as I do, in ninety three when Clinton won and
he nominated Loneguineer to be in the Department of Justice,

(10:40):
and then he pulled her nomination because he said that
some of her ideas were dangerous. And I remember, being
like a college student at the time, I said, well,
wait a minute. If they say and this sister's so dangerous,
I want to know more about what she was talking about.
She was talking about proportional representation, and she saw it
as a way to deal with the very fundamental problem
that we have because what she said was in this country,

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or in any country, as long as you are a
minority group in a simple majority majority rule first to
the post single membery districts, that you are always going
to be in a bad situation. Right, And so we
got to start having some more We got to fight
for the Voting Rights Act, because there's a bunch of
stuff that we need to protect that the Voting Rights

(11:23):
Act deals with, but we also got to start having
some conversations around what other structural solutions do we have
to make sure that we get the representation and to
deal with the issue that you're saying that once we
get that representation, that we're actually able to govern and
rule in.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
The past good policy. Of course, this was when Lana
Guinier was actually appointed. She passed away three years ago.
And see what I am trying to walk people through
is an understanding of power, that's sure. And again then
you get these people they're like, you know, well, you're
just being a shield for.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
The Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Perfect example, yesterday, my man Keenton Towns had a golf
termaintin Force Foundation at Lanston Golf Course in DC and
then they had a community picnic on.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
The driving range afterwards.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So backyard band is playing and there's this brother walks
brother who's there. He's an omega, and so he comes
up to me and he says, yeah, you know, I'm
an omega, got his gear on. I'm one of those
black men who voted for Trump. I said, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So he starts telling me.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
About you know, yeah, you know Kamala she really Indian,
she wasn't black, she didn't plain black.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
And I was like, well, that's a lie.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
So he starts going on and on this nonsense, and
he starts talking about, you know, you know, we got
to have you know, fb A specific policies.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
So he's going, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
And I heard you, And I said, okay, you do
know you are where you cannot pass black specific. Well, no, no, no,
the Asians got a bill, I said, did they really?
Now I didn't heard that. I said really, I said
what did the Asians get? Well, well, the Asians got
a hate crown law. That's a lie, I said, it's

(13:10):
a lie. I said, what was the name of the bill.
He couldn't even name the bill. I said, you go
through the data. I said, oh, did you go pull
the hate crimes bill that was passed when black churches
were being burned down? I said, was that bill specific
to only black churches? No, it was churches, mas, synagogue's
houses of worship. I said, Now in the summary it

(13:33):
talked about black churches being targeted. I said, dude, you
don't hell you talking about? So then he's going on
and on and on and well, I said, okay, I said, so,
I said question, I said, you got any respect for
Shirley Chisholm. I said she what FBA? I said, oh,
Harry Belafonte, not FBA. I said, Malcolm X's mama. Where

(13:56):
was she born?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I started naming all.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
These, I said, Sydney Ady I started doing I said, so,
I said, now I'm confused with I said, He's like, well, well,
you know, you know, I look at my life and
there was nothing in my life that was that that
that that got better on the Democrat. So I said,
why did I give this man a chance? And I
was like, oh, okay, uh and so while he's sitting there,

(14:20):
so so I'm sitting there hitting this food on policy,
and he is absolutely ignorant on policy. And he's sitting
here going uh and uh and all this sort of stuff.
And I stopped bringing them housing. Well as I'm talking,
uh a, Joey as said more walks.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
By, I said, I was speaking of housing.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
This sister worked in the Hood under Biden Harris, and
so she comes over. She was like, oh lord, she said.
She said, is my Frad one of one of these?
I said, yep, I said, yeah, yo, Frad broke him,
one of the MAGA people. So then she sits here
and then she said, oh, I'm the one who wrote
the Hood racial justice policy. I said, you voted for

(15:03):
a man who's getting rid of the policy. So I
start naming all this anti black stuff. That little mega
walked away and went back and listen to the concert,
and I'm like, fool, this is what I'm talking about.
This is about power. This is about the seizing of power.
And when we get caught up in oh, you just

(15:26):
chilling for the Democrats, no fool. I got to look
at the chessboard to go, Okay, what are the issues
that I care about? And if I outline five of them,
where does the Republican Party stand versus the Democratic Party.
That does not mean Democrats are perfect. But I got
to be smart enough to understand that I'm going to

(15:51):
voluntarily get my ass kicked if I don't read the
board right, and I will for all things that I
claim I want will.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Never get because I will be out of power.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
That's right, will be out of power.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
And folks who are who are running literally on anti blackness,
trying to erase black history, trying to erase black jobs,
trying to click kick black folk out of the armed services,
and we know what that's all about, right, that's potential
coop type stuff. But look, you just go down the wad.
They're not even trying to hide it. And what we
have to recognize is going back to this redistrict thing

(16:26):
discussion is because redistrict thing isn't sexy, I get it right.
Don't nobody want to have a conversation, you know, about
redistrict thing and about Jerry Mander. If you give me
having a conversation about versus or a conversation about you know,
the NBA, or a conversation about Jerry manderin I'd love
to pick either one or the first two. But at
the end of the day, no matter what your issue is, right,

(16:47):
no matter who you are, even if you're the confused
Omega brother that you're talking about, whatever his issue is,
whatever anybody's issue is, you can't get progress on it.
As a black person in this country, especially right now.
If we don't have a government that reflects us, we
don't have any problem.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
While he was running his mouth was everything I mentioned
anti black.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I ain't know that.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I said what, I said, what the hell are
you then watching? I said, you voted for a guy claiming, well,
I'm gonna give him a shot. I said, and here
you are standing before me telling me how you want
this foundational Black Americans agenda, and you literally know nothing
about the con I said, all of the anti black

(17:33):
stuff I brought up. They want to get rid of
the federal DBA program contracts. I said, they rule against
Lowndes County of the settlement regarding sewage being back to
ben Yard.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I said, they call it legal deo.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I said, Cancer Alley in Louisiana, pull out of the lawsuits,
the housing lawsuit in Texas dealing with the racist h
u A pull out.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I went, boom boom, boom boom boom.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I said, So, now, I don't understand how you advocating
for a foundational Black America an agenda when you have
somebody who is consistently, consistently anti black and you proudly
say you and Omega who voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Right, Yeah, I mean it's just it's just yesterday, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's not alone unfortunately, right, because you got a
lot of folks who who claim to be pro black,
but they really are anti black immigrant more than they
are pro black, right, And a lot of times they
they're reflecting the same thing that white folks have done

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for decades and centuries.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Right.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
In other words, I don't care how bad you make
it for me, as long as you make it worse
for the mother folk.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
Right, That's what white folks.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
That's that's why you got four white folks that are
okay with their property as long as they got somebody
black or comedians black that's more poor or has more
cancer and environmental sludge or whatever. And that's the same
thing that some of these some of these black folks,
right that what they do, basically they not even paying
attention to policies that are impact than us in our
community as long as they can see an immigrant, black

(19:05):
Latino or otherwise getting rounded up and deported and sent
out the kidnapped and sent out the country. And so
that's a conversation that we got to have in our community.
The good news is, I believe that there's more of
us that know the deal right, that know all that
we got to, that know that this administration is nothing

(19:25):
but anti blackness. Knowing that you got folks, you got
folks running around proud about being a Nazi. Young Republicans
in their chech group talking about being a Nazi. The
dude that they that was just running for or just
have to be appointed to be a judge or something,
or an attorney talking about how he's proud to be
a Nazi. They are not even trying to hide it.

(19:48):
And so again, like you say, it's about power, and
we cannot use our power unless we have representation in
order to be in these places to get us the
policies that we need.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
We're going to take a quick break when come back
panel got some questions, I'm going to go to them.
We're talking with Cliff Allbright, co founder Black Voters Matter,
and you're watching rolling bark unfiltered on the Blackstock Network.

Speaker 9 (20:13):
As a pastor, I hear a lot about trips to
the doctor, bills piling up, jobs being lost. So as
your delegate, I went to work writing laws that protect families,
helping parents care for their disabled children, capping insulin costs,
lowering prescription prices, and investing in our police and schools.

(20:37):
I'm Josh Cole, and as your Delegate, I'm working to
keep us strong and safe.

Speaker 10 (20:43):
Nicole Cole knows the cornerstone of a successful life starts here.
Virginia Public Schools gave Nicole an excellent education. They helped
her become a small business owner, family financial planner, mother,
and community leader. Now, after four years on the Sponsylvania
school Board, Nicole is running for delegate to meet the
needs of all students. As our delegate, Nicole will fully

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fund our schools, raise teacher salaries, and help graduating students
stay in our communities. Nicole Cole for delegate, for us,
for our future in.

Speaker 11 (21:13):
The military, I gave orders and they went a lot
further than they do around here. If there's one thing
I've learned as a mom and foster pan of more
kids than I can count investing.

Speaker 10 (21:25):
In that picture isn't a choice.

Speaker 12 (21:28):
En Richmond.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
I'll fight for Stafford's fair share for our schools, smaller
class sizes, better teacher pay, and more vocational training. I'm
Stacey Carrol, and I'll fight to get our kids future
in order.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
What's stop the st MCEO telem quality you are checking out?

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Roland Martin unfilled.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
All right, folks, welcome back talking to cliffwall brte cop
on the Black Voters Matter. My panel is on the CONGO,
a senior profacer electric school in your National Service of
DC offer of lives about black people, how to combat races.
Scott Voden, attorney out of DC as well. Joy Cheney
founder Joy Strategies out of DC as well. All right,
let's get right into it. Questions for Cliff, I guess

(22:17):
I let the capital go first.

Speaker 13 (22:19):
Well, wasn't the Kappa you were talking to at the
golf tournament?

Speaker 14 (22:23):
Because we ain't got no capitals that voted for Trump?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes you do, yes, you do, yes, you know you do.

Speaker 8 (22:29):
Don't start you know you do?

Speaker 14 (22:30):
Not your ship? Now there you go?

Speaker 8 (22:32):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
You know I ain't lying? You know you do?

Speaker 14 (22:34):
Cliff, Let me get to Cliff Cliff, I love the
work that you're doing. What happens when we race to
the bottom.

Speaker 15 (22:41):
When we get done with the race to the bottom
and the the every you would not do it in
ten years, We're doing it now five years midway, and
the Democratic states and the Red States get to the bottom.

Speaker 14 (22:53):
Then what I mean, do we do we start over?

Speaker 13 (22:56):
Are there going to be more Republican seats than Democratic seats?
I see it's a real attack on our democracy on
both sides.

Speaker 14 (23:03):
Actually, but I don't think the Democrats have much choice.
But what happened when we all when the dust settle?
What do you think is going to happen? And what's
the House and Senate going to look like?

Speaker 7 (23:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (23:12):
I mean I think so two things, maybe in three things.
I think one, you know, I think we can look
at the way that California has done it right where
basically they they did it where it was specifically.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
In response to Texas.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
They basically were like, look, if Texas pulls back, we'll
pull back. They did in a way that's like that's
time limited, right, so that they'll go back to their
normal process at the normal time at the end of
the decade. So I think that there are things that
you can do even as you are fighting fire with fire,
which still establishes that. Look, we recognize that fundamentally we

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got to do all this a different kind of a
way that we do one fairness in the process and
fair representation in the process, but in this moment that
we have got to do this fight because at the
end of the day, like you ask, you know, what
happens if it's a race at the bottom.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
If we don't do it now.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
There is no bottom, right, It's just it's a bottomless
pit that we wind up finding ourselves in. And so
the only way to fight is to do what some
of these states have already done and what we're encouraging
even for more states to do. But being clear, you know,
keeping the eyes on the prize that fundamentally we don't
want to be doing this. And then we got these
other values that we want to fight for. But you

(24:23):
can't fight for those values if again to Roland's point,
if we ain't got no power, and if we don't
have power for decades or for generations, then you know,
we just got a principle that we want to see,
but we have absolutely no way to make it be
a reality.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Also, I think we have to.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
We have to also recognize, and this is and I've
said this for so long, how democrats have to understand
what power is and what's fair and just.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So here's what I mean by that.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, So Eric Holder and Obama they get together and
they launched this National Redistricting Committee.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
This is the website.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So all they kept talking about fair maps, fair maps,
fair maps, fair maps, fair maps.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Sounds great, sounds wonderful.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
But you got one side over here who's talking about fair,
the other side talking about power power.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
So what happens.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
This is a story right here in Politico why Democrats
can't match Trump's Jerrymander push. So it says right here,
it says Democrats trying to counter president, trying to kind
of Donald Trump's red state Jerrymander, are facing a block
fifteen roadblocks. Actually, that's how many Democratic led states have

(25:54):
a political trifecta, the same setup that helped Texas Republicans
push through new maps last week. Month those fifteen, only
California has made a serious effort to respond in Kinme,
even that initiative may fail at the ballot box. Leaders
in fourteen other states with the democratic governor and state
legislature find themselves unable to move forward, hampered by reasons

(26:15):
ranging from constitutional limitations, legal deadlines, and maps that can't
be jerry mandered any more. And perhaps to the knowledgement
of these hurdles, Democrats have turned to the court to
try to stopping publican efforts. So you take Colorado, Colorado
would love to do this. They got a state constitution
that says you can only redistrict every ten years. So

(26:35):
Democrats fought for these laws to be changed to create
fair maps. Commission in Michigan. Republicans fought the one in Ohio.
They were like, now we ain't never no non partisan committee.
We're going to have a damn partisan commission. And they
completely jack that up and took it over. So the

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problem now is now Obama and hold it got no.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Choice, yeah but to back this.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And this is a perfect example again of Democrats saying, no.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Let's be right, let's be fair, Yeah, let's be just.
Republicans like, yeah, okay, that's cute.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
Power right that they basically the Democrats unilaterally disarmed.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
And this is where you find yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Give it up my weapons, but you getting to keep,
not only keep yours, you get.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
To go acquire more, right.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Right, Like both of us were gonna put our knives
down on three and you count the three and you
put yours down, and the other dudes still holding his knife.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So he hold his knife and now he don't pull
out a gun right right now he got a grenade
and you like, right, right, but but but but we
agreed to put the like, no, no, you agreed to
put your stuff down.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Right, I didn't.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
Now, there were black folks who tried to tell them
not to do that, not the two that you mentioned, right,
but there were some other black folks in black organizations
that say, look, this is a bad idea. Why because
we know the nature of the opposition that we up against.
See there's a lot of white folks that still don't understand,
and some black like they well make it due you
was talking to you that still don't understand the nature

(28:08):
of the opposition that we up against. Right, we knew
that we couldn't trust them. We knew that we couldn't
unilaterally disarmed. Now, if you had to do the commission,
you could have built some stuff into it that would
have said, look, we're gonna do this commission. But if
these other folks start acting a fool, We've got this
out that we can go to without having to do
another constitutional memory or having to go back to court.

(28:30):
You could have built that into the system. That's how
you fight for your values. But you still remain cautious
and watchful. Right, But we didn't do These states didn't
do that. That's why we're having to push so hard
for some of these blue states, like New York and
like some of those other ones to try to do
whatever they can to undo and correct, even if it's
temporarily to undo and correct it, even if you coulda

(28:52):
wind up having to go to court later.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Right, because that's what that's what right he did?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
See, that's the stupid shit.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I don't understand what New York did last time they
were pleading with huchel Yo follow the appeal right, No, no, no, you.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Just handed their four or five seats. And what's the
problem right now?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Democrats need to need a net three seats to reclaim
the majority. I'm like, you try to be fair. Screwed
your party out of power? It makes no sense. Joint question.

Speaker 16 (29:26):
Hi Cliff, I'm so glad to have you on tonight.
So what are you all doing in terms of, you know,
to put together a strategy here, right, you don't have
to tell me all the strategy, but like, what are
the leadership, what's the leadership of civil rights groups others
doing to come together and to say all the everything
you said is right? What we gonna do about it though?

(29:49):
And how are we going to bring into alignment some
of these legislators out there who don't see themselves as
part of the problem and who are just trying to protect.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Their own seats.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Oh and that, Oh, that that last part. That's a
whole show in and of itself. But I think there's
several prongs of the strategy.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Right. The one hand is still to be fighting for.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
To protect the Voting Rights Act, to push back on
this Calae case that the Supreme Court is hearing right now.
That's how come what we did to answer your question.
One of the things we did was we took three
hundred folks from eight Southern states to show up at
the Supreme Court on the day that they were having
that hearing last week, because we didn't want that hearing
to go by, this potentially historic moment to go by

(30:34):
and they not see that. Folks in the South got
something to say because it's black voters in the South
and black districts in the South are going to be
most impacted. But that wasn't just about a one day
event or just about having a rally on the steps
of the Supreme Court, although that's important and of itself,
it's also about that that's the launch of a campaign
where from that day until they actually give the decision

(30:56):
that we're going to continue to be raising this issue
right by being by talking about it in the media
like we are today, by doing things like issuing the
report that Black Voters Matter did to along with fair fight.
That answers the question, what's the impact of this.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
Going to be?

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Our report outlines, as Roland mentioned, there's nineteen specific seats
that are specifically protected by the Voting Rights Act that
would be lost if the Voting Rights Act goes down
in these red States redistrict and then there's some other
states like we said up to like thirty three that
could also be impacted. So that's part of the strategy,
right just pushing back and staying engaged and pushing the

(31:33):
narrative on the importance of the Voting Rights Act and
the importance of this case, right, there's also the electoral piece,
because at the end of the day, there are still
some electoral options that we have to hold on to
the seats that we have, right, So there's that strategy.
There's also the pushback in terms of organizing around this,
whether it's organizing in red states Likeness Doury, because keep

(31:53):
in mind, they have a petition going right now to
get enough signatures so that the people of Missouri can
vote on the redone maps that the Missouri legislature just voted.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
So it's not a done deal.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
If we support those groups and those community members that
are doing that organizing, if you know somebody in Missouri,
or if you just you could go to our page
and you can find out about who's doing what work
in states like Missouri, because we got to support that
process the same way that we got to support the
vote in California. And then the last thing is, like
I said, we've got to be having discussions around like,

(32:30):
what's the next thing, right, what's the thing that we
do if the Voting Rights Act is taken apart? What
are the other structural changes that we have to be
talking about. Those are conversations that we got to have
because most folks in our community they don't. We don't
know anything about any other way to even do representation
because we don't pay attention to what goes on in

(32:51):
other There are systems that are used in other states
like South Africa that the US encourages someplace there to
protect white minor that they would never even consider doing
within the United States itself. We got to have some
conversations and raise awareness to do some education around what
the other options and tools are that go go along with.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Trying to protect the voting Rightsack Congo.

Speaker 17 (33:16):
Thank you so much, cliref All you continue to do.
It's so respected and necessary. I want to know what
your thoughts are in addition to the work that we
must continue to do.

Speaker 18 (33:25):
We never let our guard down.

Speaker 17 (33:27):
Do you feel like there's any possibility that these redistricting
can backfire on Republicans given the way Trump is dealing
with the economy right now. I mean, they're having so
many FAFO moments that they may still just decide to
vote for Democrats regardless of who they get redistricted to.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
I mean that's a great point because we were already
seeing some of that possibly in Texas because again, to
create those five extra seats that they created, they had
to move some stuff around, and basically what they are
assuming is that Latino voters.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
This is what the math that they were doing.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
They say, wait a minute, this last election in Texas
and twenty four you saw more Latinos voting for Trump.
So we feel like that we can do this redistrict,
take power away from black folks, maybe even keep some
of those Latino districts intact, and will be okay. But
what they're also seeing is that his popularity in the
Republican's popularity within those same Latino communities is plummeting, and

(34:25):
so it could come back to haunt them, whether it's
in Texas or in Missouri or any of these other states,
because at the end of the day, they're basing it
on some assumptions that are simply no longer true. So
there's a possibility of that, and again we need to
be doing whatever we can in coalition with some of
these other communities to make sure that you know, we

(34:46):
need to push that and to have they use divide
and conquer against us. Ever since sixteen nineteen, we need
to do the same thing against them.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
This is.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Again really need people to underscore what's going on here.
They are banking for the Supreme Court decision. In fact,
we're talking in Louisiana, the state Senate, they voted along
party lines to postpone the twenty twenty six election dates.
The delay would give the state more time to redraw
its congressional map. This is assuming the Supreme Court rules

(35:19):
in their favor. Republicans expected craft political districts more than
liking if it's Supreme Court rules in their favor where
race can't be considered in the creation of the districts.
The gp' Cenate majority, made up entirely of white senators,
outvoted the Democrats, all but one whom are black, twenty
seven to nine on Senate Bill one. The bill moves
the qualifying period for political candidates and the two spring

(35:41):
election dates for congressional primary context back by approximately one month.
Election schedule for April eighteenth and May thirtieth would move
to May sixteenth in June twenty seventh, respectively. The delayed
election timeline would create more opportunities for the Republican control
legislature to draw a Newessus House.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Now again, what this is all about.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Supreme Court Cliff has this president, which doesn't matter because
these folks don't care about president. Where when it comes
time to draw, they'll may say, hey, it's not enough time.
The legis led you to redraw districts for the voters
to be notified and then for them to vote.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's what this is all about. These Republicans.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
They lost to the Supreme Court the creation of this
second black district. Then they said, well, now let's now
join not let's they will not recruited some white folks
to say that the creation of this second black district
brought them harm, which they never identified what the harm is,
and they expired that expectited this lawsuit and the writing

(36:42):
ones on the wall with Supreme Court asked for breeds
from both sides over eliminating these districts based upon the
issue of raps.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
Yeah, and keep in mind as an example, if we
go back to abortion in the Dobbs case, right, Dobb's
case was heard about the same time as this case,
but the Dobbs decision came out when it came came
out as late as like in June or something like that,
and theoretically that could happen with this case as well.
But because of all the reasons that you were saying,
we know that we got a corrupt, partisan, no good

(37:12):
Supreme Court that is going to try to do everything
they can to work the timetable, the same way that
they did with some of the other Jerry mangerin cases
that could have been decided in twenty two, but instead
they delayed, like even those new seats that we got
in Alabama and Louisiana that could have happened in twenty two,
and yet in twenty four the.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Pros have been placed by saying, yeah, we know the
lower court where they were illegal, but we're gonna freeze
be in placed right at forced for two years.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
Right, so we know that this court is.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Mal in twenty twenty one Texas case is still ongoing.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
So we know they're gonna do whatever they can to
play with that time, to play with the calendar. And
that's what you see, literally, you see a coordination strategy
of the Supreme Court which will probably try to move
up its decision. Right what could have been months could
be decided matter of weeks. So they're combining that with
the strategy that you was just reading where you got
these states they're saying, Oh, we're going to push back

(38:07):
our stuff so it can give the court more time
to do whatever is going to do.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
They're literally colluding.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
They might as well just be in a huddle together
the Supreme Court, these red state legislatures.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And again for all of these people who do we
always say, connect the dots who don't understand what's going
on here. What we're talking about here is power. We're
talking about money. This we talk about who represents who
see this is the stuff. It grates on me when
I'm listening to these yahoos who are like, oh, oh,

(38:40):
I don't know what the CBC.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
They're trash. You're not doing anything.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
These people have no idea the role that a lawmaker
plays in inserting language in bills and removing language in bills,
all sorts of different things. You don't even have to
pass a bill to have a major impact on the
bill because you sit on particular committee. What type of
products that you slide in, and that's peoplen't understand. So

(39:06):
if the Supreme Court rules this way and you wipe
out twelve nineteen thirty black districts, it is a We're
talking billions upon billions of dollars that will not be
going to block communities because they have removed those members
of congresss of Congress. That's right, that is a fact.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Right at a time when you're already seeing this investment
in our communities, whether it's you know, again from healthcare,
from snap, from block grants or whatever the case Department
of Education, and so not having this representation. You know,
none of the representation is perfect. You always gott to
find something to criticize about about, you know, every representative

(39:46):
or whatever. But when you have zero voice, when you
have zero representation, there's no scenario where that comes out
to the benefit of our community.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
And the last point is when you also situation at
home and don't vote, you actually make all of this
a lot of that's right.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
And again, whatever your issue is, you don't have to
be passionate about redistricting and jerry managering. But if you're
passionate about one of those other issues.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
Then you need to be involved.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I ain't got loved to candidate.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't gotta love the party, I ain't gotta be
in love. We ain't gonna like each other, sir. But
here's what I do know, and all these dumb asses
will go, oh, you know, it's like I'm choosing the
lesture of two evils. Guess what, Nearly four hundred thousand
black women know jobs.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's evil.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
When you see the anti black agenda that Trump is executing,
that's evil. When you see how he is withholding money
from blue states and giving money to red states, that's evil.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
We can walk down.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So when people say that stupid shit, you know, I
think I'm choosing the lesser of two evils.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I keep saying one of them is going to win.
That's right, that's right, one of them is going to.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Win, and one of them doesn't care if you live
or die. And that is no exaggeration. And that's the
way that they're treating our communities right now.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
All right, Cliff, all right, appreciate it, man, Thanks you
a lot.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thanks y'all.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
This is plus first time in our Blackplyde studio.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
You got here.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Look at really list some something. We do a little something.
So this is how we do it. I appreciate it.
And also, folks, and I'll say this had no problem.
Black voters.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Battle has been one of the few black organizations that
has consistently supported this show, and this det work financially
since we launched, So there's a lot of people talk
about how we need to work together, we need to
sit here and put our own But y'all have been
one of the few. So I appreciate y'all support of
the show. Switch come on, I'm talking to click, come on.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thank you, my god.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I appreciate y'all support of the show. Thank you so
very much. And we we're gonna be real busy twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
It's we love you, Thank you so much, Cliff.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Folks, don't leave us yet, because you're gonna walk behind
me one.

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All right, folks, we come back.

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Lots to breakdown, and I gotta talk about it as
crazy as white folks who are now mad. Holler my
DEI why the black people are support and win some
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watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Folk to day twenty seven of the federal government shut down,
that is, the Donald Trump, MAGA and Poe's Government shut Down.
Center's return today to vote on various measures, but there's
no discussion about reopening the federal government. Appears to be
no end in sight to the standoff, which is causing
financial hardship for millions of people. In five days, the
opening Roman Peer for the Fulliable Care Act begins. Many

(46:08):
will likely see their healthcare preems increase if the enhanced
subtion is put in place during the COVID nineteen pandemic
are not extended. A deal seems unlikely. With the twice impeach,
criminally convicted fellow and in chief Donald Trump out of
the country more than seven hundred thousand federal workers have
been furloughed, while nearly as many of working without pay.
Central employees, including military of personnel, law enforcement officers, border

(46:31):
patrol agents, and air traffic controllers are still required to
work regardless of the shutdown, but it is causing lots
of air issues and Trasptation Secretary Sean Duffy said he
can't guarantee they will not be delays. AFGE, the American
Federation of Government Employees, the president Everic Kelly AFG, is
calling for an end to the shutdown. This is what

(46:51):
they're right on their website. This week, Congress pushed our
nation to the fourth week of full government shutdown and
avoidable crisis that is harming families, communities, and the very
institutions a whole lot of country.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Together.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
As president of the American Federation of Government Employees that
represent over eight hundred thousand federal and DC government workers
who serve with pride and professionalism, Senator Dick Durbin actually
said that he thinks that AFGE calling for this end
of the shutdown is going to have an impact. We'll
see if that actually takes place. I totally get it,

(47:24):
I understand it. Joy why AFG is making the move.
But understand, we're talking about you know, they represent aer
one thousand federal employees. You're talking about federals health subsidies,
and we're talking about snap other things that are impacting
multiple millions of people. And so the shutdown actually has

(47:45):
a broader impact beyond just the federal employees.

Speaker 19 (47:49):
Does.

Speaker 16 (47:50):
And the fact of the matter is by November first,
when we are getting these you know, when people are
their windows shopping, will happen nationwide. Right It's already been
happening in several states, and so where we've seen that
and people see more than seventy percent increase, it will
become obvious to the entire nation what the Democrats have

(48:13):
been talking about, not just in the last few months,
but because this is also what I do in my
day job, what we've been talking about for more than
a year, saying that look, these are going to expire
and we need to extend them.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
It did not have to be this dramatic.

Speaker 16 (48:26):
So unfortunately, this is just a moment where you know,
we are dealing with some pain, and that's terrible, but
it's staving off what will be hopefully avoiding pain for
a lot of people. And by the way, even if
you are not the beneficiary of one of these subsidies,

(48:47):
you're just you know, when there's a spike for one
who gets the subsidy, others.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Will see a spike. So you will also.

Speaker 16 (48:56):
See an increase in your premiums for twenty twenty s.
So my prediction is that we're going to have an
end to this in the next week or so because
all of those Republicans who have you know, kind of
been like, you know, we need to deal with something,
but you know, Trump won't come to okay, They're going
to be very upset because they're going to have a
lot of angry people saying I cannot go from paying

(49:19):
seven hundred to paying more than two thousand.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
On my car and goo.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Mike Johnson made one of the stupidest comers I've ever
seen in my life when asked why he is not
bringing the house back together, he said, you know, oh,
you know, my members are learning so much and hearing
so much from home. I want them to continue to
to keep doing that work.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm like, who the hell does he think he fooling?

Speaker 17 (49:47):
I mean, the way that he just finds new ways
to lie. Somebody said that, you know, he lies so
easily that he must be like lying about something else
because he's just so comfortable with it. I was thinking
about this as I was on the way home for
the show today. I have it, Where are the videos
of the Republicans? Where every videos? Are the Republicans back
home having town halls? Are they out at food banks

(50:09):
helping with the people he's talking about? You know, their
me They're back home talking to their and working with
their constituents. Their constituents don't control the direction of healthcare?
What is the Democrats here in DC that they're supposed
to be meeting with? So I need people to post
their videos of Republicans out there doing the work, meeting
with constituents. But even all of that is going to

(50:30):
be irrelevant because they're supposed to be at the table here.
They're gone, haven't done anything? What since like early September
and Trump first president to leave the country during a shutdown.
I mean, this is what I was talking about with
my question of Cliff, like how long are people going
to realize that these guys have pulled the wool over
their head? And Mike Johnson comes up with new lives
every single day, and I just feel like at some point,

(50:52):
these folks and there those red districts who may not
give a damn about us, are going to give enough
of a damn about themselves to get out there and
finally do something, showing up at that representative's doors, showing
up in other places where they see them, and maybe
even showing up in DC to let them.

Speaker 18 (51:07):
Know we're here.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
You're not.

Speaker 18 (51:09):
Get your behind downy and get something done.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Well, it's easy.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Scott of the New York Times is reporting that Donald
Trump often jokes about how he can get Mike Johnson
do whatever he wants.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
He's a puppet.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And part of the reason we're seeing all this stuff
happens because Republicans have no guts, no spine, and they
won't stand up to their dear leader.

Speaker 24 (51:33):
Well, that's not gonna happen, and it's not gonna happen.
In regard to the shutdown. You know, my colleague, I
think he'll take a friendly amendment. The MAGA and the
right wing conservatives are encouraging their elected officials, including Trump,
to stand strong because they're not smart enough to understand

(51:54):
that what they're supporting is going to be against their interests.

Speaker 14 (51:57):
When their insurance premiums go up when they.

Speaker 13 (51:59):
Use lose Medicare and Medicaid, and they're just gonna turn
around and blame the Democrats. They'll never blame the Republicans
or Donald Trump for it. So, you know, it's one
thing to vote against your interests. It's another thing to
be so committed to ignorance, if you will, or just
plain dumbness that you know, you let the Republicans just

(52:21):
pick your pocket, blame the Democrats, and you go along
with it, even though you can't put food on the
table or your children are sick. And so I don't
think it's going to end in the next week or two.
What's going to end it is when the Republicans decide
to have a conversation now versus later. See, they'll never
win the debate with the public because it's a conversation.

(52:43):
I've tried lots of cases over my lifetime as a lawyer,
and it all begins settlement, and resolution begins at mediation.

Speaker 14 (52:50):
And when you get to the mediation table, the mediator
doesn't care how you got there. He cares about right now,
how we're gonna fix it.

Speaker 13 (52:57):
And the only way you're gonna really fix this thing
is to have a conversation about extending those subsidies. Because
if you're not going to have a conversation now and
we vote for a continuing resolution, you're never going to
have it, because your continuing resolution is to continue the law,
and the law those subsidies go away.

Speaker 14 (53:13):
They're in place already.

Speaker 13 (53:15):
Democrats will have no leverage and the Republicans will have
no interest to talk about it.

Speaker 14 (53:20):
So they've got to take a stand now. And in
the end the debate and.

Speaker 13 (53:24):
The discussion, well, why won't we have a conversation now
versus later? You got to have that conversation now, and
once they get enough of it, when that conversation takes place,
they're going to have to conceive probably both sides.

Speaker 14 (53:36):
But the conversation has to take place now versus later.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
All right, Hold tight, one second, we come back. White
professor at HBCU gets fired.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Then she starts making all sorts of claims against the
university president. That president is now fining. You have the lawsuit.
We'll tell you about that next. Also, we have our
Crocket chronicle which Congress Onman Jasiny Crockett tears and the
don Trump over his violent, racist immigration policy. Plus watch
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Speaker 28 (57:38):
Next on the Black Table with me Craig Calker. Now,
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So if you have to pick some group to marginalize,
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Speaker 1 (58:33):
Scott all right, folks.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
A ten year white professor at University of Maryland Eastern
Shore HBCU.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Since she's soon the school, she claims that she was fired.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
She says she's been on conservative media saying that her
termination was racially motivated. Donna Saturley spent more than twenty
years teaching human ecology and child development, said she faced
ongoing harassment from administrators, was to died of hard earned promotion.
Says she was the lowest paid person, she had unanimous
department support, and ultimately lost her job over what she
calls vague and basically this quote bullying, claims. University's president,

(59:08):
doctor Heidie and Anderson, says say E Lee had spent
the last few weeks attacking her personally, her name and reputation.
She said, nothing is enough, So Anderson has slapped her
with a one million dollar lawsuit for attacking doctor Anderson's
educational pedigree. Joining us right now is doctor Anderson, president
of the University of Maryland Eastern Shore, her attorney, James Walker.

(59:31):
Let they have both of y'all here, So all right,
where did all this start? So just like, how long
has this been going on?

Speaker 29 (59:39):
Probably for several weeks? Now, Roland, First of all, thank
you for having us on the show.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Appreciate it, appreciate appreciate being here.

Speaker 29 (59:46):
You kind of like, you know, a fan for me.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I appreciate it, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
So walking through this, so this okay, she worked for
the university, she for.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
A couple a couple of decades doing what who knows.

Speaker 29 (01:00:00):
Seriously, she's a faculty member that worked at the university
for some time and did not get promoted. And this
has been going on for I would imagine for a
few weeks, where she has made it up her mission
to probably say things about me that are not true,
and that is definitely what she's been doing.

Speaker 30 (01:00:21):
As well as filed several lawsuits.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
So she's filed lawsuits against.

Speaker 31 (01:00:26):
The university, the provos, I think, faculty, doctor Anderson, pregnant,
anybody you can think of. She's brought a number of
bogus suits that the Attorney General's Office is heling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
But then she you're a state institution, that's where the
AG's office hands correct guys.

Speaker 31 (01:00:40):
And she's attacked her individually with false claims about her pedigree,
her dissertation, and her educational background and other things. So
we have now looked into the fact that it's not true,
there was no kind of plagiarism, and we have hit
her with a million dollar lawsuit effected this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
So she was claiming plagiarism and what she was.

Speaker 29 (01:01:02):
Claiming plagiarism in my doctoral dissertation, which is not true.
My academic work is high integrity and it also was
reviewed very rigorously by the normal regular channels that happened
at universities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Well, and we know that this has been one of
the one of the ways that conservatives have been attacking
black presidents. We saw what happened at Harvard, we saw
what's happened at other universities trying to go after them.
This is this is right here an interview where Sara
Lee was on the right wing news network Newsmax. And

(01:01:38):
so of course in this day and age, the right
wing media will pick pick this thing up extremely quickly
and so again, so she she's claiming fire termination. But
for people who don't understand, walk through the walk through
that process of what that is when someone is no
longer with the university.

Speaker 31 (01:01:57):
Well, I don't want her to answer too much because
obviously it's ongoing litigation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But is this atually still with the university or no
longer with the university?

Speaker 31 (01:02:05):
She is still with the university to my knowledge, as
there are some of her cohorts, but she didn't get
the promotion that she thought.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
So just be clear, sadly is still employed with the university.
But it's claiming she got terminated.

Speaker 32 (01:02:18):
She's not.

Speaker 29 (01:02:19):
She's no longer with the university. But like my lawyers
are saying, it is an ongoing investigation, So I think
that we should let the lawyer respond to that.

Speaker 31 (01:02:29):
So is she still an employee, she's still teching employee,
but she's not in the position that she thought she
should have gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
So she thought she felt she should have gotten the promotion.

Speaker 30 (01:02:37):
Correct, Okay, correct?

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
And then it's claiming all had near unanimous support for
whatever for universities.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
How does that even work?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Like how one gets promoted is I mean you've got colleges,
You've got I mean you've got departments. The college then
goes all the way up. There's notion that the president
somehow is determining like a particular person in the college.

Speaker 29 (01:03:00):
Typically rolling the way professors get promoted is going through
a rigorous, rigorous review process, and that starts at the
department level where those individuals happen to be housed, because
it makes more sense to have their peers look at
their work and evaluate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Right, So department level moves right up the departments in
the college. That's correct, So conjuate liberal arts, college of
business or whatever.

Speaker 29 (01:03:23):
Correct at the university level?

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Okay?

Speaker 29 (01:03:26):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And then so from an administrative standpoint, those folks are
above above the colleges.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So you have a you got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
A lot of layers that are there between a person
in a department and a provos or president.

Speaker 29 (01:03:41):
Very much so, a lot god layers.

Speaker 31 (01:03:43):
Which, by the way, is the reason why we say,
why are you attacking doctor Anderson?

Speaker 30 (01:03:47):
She is so removed.

Speaker 31 (01:03:49):
I don't think you've even had really into any interaction
with this individual. She wouldn't know you on any personal basis.
So for her to come out and attack her, attack
HBCUs and say I was because I'm a white woman.
There was bullying, there was harassment. It's an HBCU. You're
not taking care of white people. You're looking out for
your own all of this kind of nonsense versus just

(01:04:09):
competency versus just did you earn the job? She was
there twenty years, I believe so. Oh so she's claiming bullying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
She's staying at the place for two decades where you
are uncomfortable. I wouldn't be staying two months.

Speaker 31 (01:04:27):
Well, now she's got a bigger problem because doctor Anderson
regrettably did not want to take legal action.

Speaker 30 (01:04:32):
But this lady is in all kinds of right.

Speaker 31 (01:04:34):
Wing magazines, Newsmax, as you said, and other outlets. So
she was left with no other alternative to say, Wait,
I got to defend my name, my reputation, my character,
my pedigree, my dissertation. She's been forced to be here tonight.
She doesn't want to be here tonight, but she had
to take legal action because there is a what'd you
call it, a some kind of witch hunt towards black academics,

(01:04:58):
particularly black female leaders in our country.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Because right, I mean, look, we're operating in this uh
violent anti DEI world where we where I have been
saying repeatedly that what we are seeing are black institutions
under vicious assault is effort to defund Black America. Uh
and if you're black in corporate America, if you're in nonprofit,

(01:05:23):
you're at universities, I mean and beyond just HBCUs we're
talking about the brother at George Masonryland at Virginia Maryland Institute.
I mean, on and on and on, I mean vm I,
we're seeing all of this. Uh and and then to
your point, rarely does someone foul a counter suit like

(01:05:46):
the like the one you're filers service, and typically you're
having just to deal with the attacks, and folks say,
just be quiet, let it work out.

Speaker 29 (01:05:55):
Typically that happens, You're correct, Roland, But it happens because
when you're in the public phase and you also happen
to be leading an institution and doing bold things, you're
going to get people who are distracting you.

Speaker 30 (01:06:08):
Tell them what happened on Friday.

Speaker 29 (01:06:10):
Oh, I'm going to tell them.

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
Tell us.

Speaker 29 (01:06:12):
Yes, the distractions occur, and what you have to do
is look beyond that. Give you an example. The real
story here is why did you and E S receive
another large gift from mackenzie Scott. We got twenty million
dollars from McKenzie Scott five years ago, and on Friday
we were able to announce another thirty eight million dollars

(01:06:34):
from McKenzie Scott, a gift of that nature, both of them,
fifty eight million dollars. That to me is the real
story here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
But also under her leadership, under your Scott is not
just handing out money, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
He as a team that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Does rigorous review process to determine who she supports.

Speaker 29 (01:06:53):
Yes, very much so. And that's what I mean. Why
U and E S not every other HBCU, Well, it's
because of our leadership. It's because of the leadership, not
just my leadership, but my faculty, my staff, all of
our students. I have student leaders who are amazing Roland.
You would not believe it, but they have actually done
outstanding jobs and amazing things out there, solving problems of

(01:07:17):
the world. We had one student this year freshmen went
to Italy to present his research. When does that happen
all the time?

Speaker 30 (01:07:25):
Not at all, because he usually only gives one award.

Speaker 29 (01:07:28):
She only gives one award, and it is also you
don't come back and get a second one. So I
have to tell you. When she and they called me
a few weeks ago and said, President, you're about to
we want to give you another award, I actually say
it is this a hoax? Is because you only get
one and we got one five years ago and now
they're calling to give another. Why we have been increasing

(01:07:51):
enrollment five consecutive years of increased enrollment. We're over three
thousand students.

Speaker 8 (01:07:59):
Gotchak?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
We had what was it there? When you rip? How
long did you ride?

Speaker 29 (01:08:03):
I've been here eight years now and slightly less than
probably around twenty four hundred. So we've an increasing and
we basically have added academic programs. The story at ums.
We are adding a veterinary medicine school. We will be
the second HBCU in the country with a veterinary medicine school,

(01:08:24):
actually the first in the state of Maryland. And there's
a shortage of veterinarians out there, and so this is
going to be direly needed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I'm gonna texta in the graduates. I kind of live
about bed schools.

Speaker 29 (01:08:34):
You know a little bit about this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, we kind of have a major school living about
d school.

Speaker 29 (01:08:40):
I know, you know a little bit about it. And
we're going to look at partnerships from all of those
particular schools. But those are not the only things. We
are one of the only HBCUs that has an Aviation
Science BS degree in the state of Maryland. So I
like to say to people, my kids can actually learn
to fly the plane, land the plane, and all so

(01:09:00):
fix the plane, all right. We actually have more comprehensive
health professions than any other HBCU in the country. We
are in eighteen ninety Land Grand Institution, which means we
are founded in agriculture. Our roots are there, and we
make sure that those particular things that we do for
the public really helps impact and solve the public problems.

(01:09:24):
So if you're talking about health care disparities, or you're
talking about solving problems of the soil. If you think
about the Eastern Shore where we're located, chicken litter becomes
a problem to the soil and we help make sure
the farmers know how to take care of that and
how to fix it. And then we work across our
departments in a major way. Give you an example. You

(01:09:46):
have Smith Island. There's a small little island all theeast
the part of Eastern Shore, and our School of Technology
and Engineering has partnered with our health science at school
to figure how do you use drones to fly the
medicines over there because in the window time when it
gets very very icy, you can't get to Smith Island.
If there's hurricanes, you can't get over there. So that

(01:10:08):
partnership and we have more and more programs like that
throughout the entire school. To me, that is the true story,
and McKenzie Scott recognized that, and she recognized that we
are a leader in the world. We are there and
as I say, distractions happen, When distractions happened to me Roland,
I stay mission focused.

Speaker 30 (01:10:27):
And let me chill so before before you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
One second, you mentioned been a land grant institution, and
I covered the lawsuit that was taking place with the
four HBCUs the resulted in the settlement. But one of
the other things that under the Biden Hairris administration, when
they sit out letters to all these states saying how
land grand institutions were cheated out of a lot of money.

(01:10:51):
This is a story right here. It said that if
UMS was an equal footing with the eighteen sixty two
land Grant Institution, it should have received the three hundred
and twenty one million in funding over the last thirty years.
And we were just in Virginia with the show. We
were a Virginia state. Virginia State is old turned seventy
seven pointy five million dollars. Tennessee state, we were there

(01:11:13):
with the show last year. They're old more than five
hundred million dollars. And I know with Maryland has been
doing in advancement, but this money is separate from that settlement.
And so I've been making it clear to lawmakers and
others that I fully expect that money that should have
gone to unbs that went to a bunch of these

(01:11:33):
other pwis that money has to be has to be
provided because that came from the federal government that was
supposed to be for Land Grant. So I'm like, any
money you get for the state, that's separate, but make
sure that money is made.

Speaker 29 (01:11:46):
Whole understood, And I think you're correct looking at Land
Grant's and what we call the one to one match.
You get money from the federal and you also get
your state. And I have to say I applaud and
congratulate Governor Wes Moore because he has come in and
he's tried, he's made sure that he's made us whole
and we get more than our one to one match.
And I am so grateful and thankful to him. My

(01:12:06):
faculty and staff, students, we're all very thankful to him
and the legislatures that are in Maryland because they understand
that they get it and they recognize giving that making
sure we get our match, that it helps us to
go out and do what we do so very well
in all of the twenty four counties in the state
of Maryland. We take care of the needs of those
individuals that are there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Right well, I explain to people that match is present.
I'm a firm believer that also understood, y'all are old money,
and so get your money today, but give me that
money you owe me. It's like if I loans some money,
like and listen, I'm giving you some money today, but
you know I loan you some many five years ago.

Speaker 29 (01:12:43):
I hear you Roland, so hold on trust.

Speaker 8 (01:12:45):
But all these folks do.

Speaker 14 (01:12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But the reason I hit this a lot, the reason
I hit this a lot is because the audience doesn't.
We try to walk our audience through to understand what
is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I'm in these campuses.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Of course people are complaing ainty about facilities, old buildings,
lack of internet. I'm saying, hey, when you when you
were denied money over thirty years in this K three
and twenty one million, then you could have built it up.
You could you could have because that's infrastructure. And so
when we covered that, that's I mean, the letter that
went out said these states deprived HBCUs are more than

(01:13:20):
twelve billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
That's with a B.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
And so I'm always telling our folks that that we
and then that's where it was coming upon us be challenging.
I looked at the officials to say, hey, make sure
you make folks hold James.

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
You want to real quickly.

Speaker 31 (01:13:34):
What's amazing about that is with the delays and the
failure to give them the moneys they do, she has
still led to school in a great way. And you
keep seeing our leadership attacked across the country, as you
said earlier, and this is why she had to take
a stance today, and we stand with her, and we
want to encourage other presidents, other provos that when they

(01:13:54):
come after you, they're going to pay the price.

Speaker 30 (01:13:56):
It's they're lying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Because a lot of tackle Unfortunately they remained silent thinking
that's the way to do it, and then the pressure
bills and bills and bills, and all of a sudden
you cross the threshold and it's simply too laced, and
then they end up resigning because of the pressure.

Speaker 30 (01:14:09):
And people believe that false sight.

Speaker 31 (01:14:11):
And I think myself, Paul Wilson, Randy McDonald, her husband, LEI,
we all huddled up and said you got to fight back,
and she fall back and I salute her, and I'm
graveful to Mackenzie Scott for seeing the great leadership. Coincidentally,
with the day we follow the law school lawsuit, she
gets thirty eight million dollars to speak the point go ahead.

Speaker 29 (01:14:30):
Just going to say, and a number of other people also,
and I really have to thank them because I have faculty,
I have staff, I have students, I have alumni partners,
corporate partners, and community partners who are all supporting me
and have been supporting me, not just the entire time
I've been here, but especially through this particular situation. And
I just want to say to them from my bottom

(01:14:51):
of my heart, I appreciate and thank them dearly for
all of the support that they have given me, their messages,
text messages, emails, their prey. I have heard them, I
have read them, and they have meant so much in
this particular time, at this particular Thank you.

Speaker 30 (01:15:06):
Roland.

Speaker 31 (01:15:06):
We hadn't told nobody the story. You're the first one.
I say, you gotta tell Roland.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
I appreciate you, I appreciate I hear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Give this LATFORM a question from each Parenty Scott Bolden,
you're first, and raw Leg Kappas asked questions first. I
was gonna you know, but you know, but you know,
we we we feel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Sorry for Scott.

Speaker 29 (01:15:26):
I'm not going there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I go there every time Scott's here.

Speaker 29 (01:15:29):
I'm not going there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Scott is not me.

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
No. I understand.

Speaker 14 (01:15:35):
Roland is special, as my mother would say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
But your mama's right, I asked, no question.

Speaker 14 (01:15:42):
Yeah, doctor uh President. I know you're a lawyer, and
I know you're in good hands.

Speaker 24 (01:15:48):
The having sat on the board of trustees for Morehouse
College for the last seven or eight years.

Speaker 13 (01:15:54):
Rather h, I know your relationship with faculty can be nuanced,
can be a challenge. And my question is do you
all have a faculty senate similar to Morehouse and other
institutions historical black institutions.

Speaker 14 (01:16:09):
And where is your faculty senate? If you have one,
where are they on this issue that's been raised by
this white professor.

Speaker 29 (01:16:17):
I think that's a very good question. And we do
have a faculty senate, and I think that you will
find that our faculty senate, because this is an ongoing investigation,
I have kept arms length from them, but I would
imagine that they have some concerns about this. That is
part of one of the reasons I decided it's time
to speak out because many of those faculty, as I said,

(01:16:38):
have sent me messages, many of our staff notes, and
they're concerned about this but they also are very supportive
of me, and I have seen those messages as words
of encouragement from them, So I have not approached them directly,
but we do have that type of academic governance structure
in place.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Joy Land, I'm sorry, I'll go away. I'll let you
ask that question. Go ahead real quick.

Speaker 24 (01:17:06):
The reason I asked about the faculty Senate is because
normally you got to have the faculty Senate support, and
then it goes to the department, and then it goes
to the board, and once you get the recommendations, it's
I'm not saying it's perfunctory, but the board isn't going
to go against the recommendations of senior management as well
as the faculty Senate.

Speaker 14 (01:17:26):
And so when you when when she talks about this
eighty two, we.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Ain't got Texas A and M.

Speaker 13 (01:17:31):
But that's another story, right If if she's talking about
this major support, is that coming from the Senate.

Speaker 14 (01:17:38):
Or is that coming from her department or both? Maybe
that's a better question for your your attorney, But I
don't want to get to heape into it, but I
was curious.

Speaker 31 (01:17:45):
And then it's good to see you, attorney. Both Then
one of my dear friends, one of our grandsons in
the Kappas, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Good to see you.

Speaker 31 (01:17:52):
There's a group of professors or disgrunto small group that
have followed these five or six frivolous lawsuits, and the
Attorney General will deal with that. Her suit is individual
outside in realm of those lawsuits. But the calls that
I'm getting, the emails that she's getting, I think quiety
has kept the faculty, the Senate, the students, they all

(01:18:13):
stand with her. How can you not when you see
thirty eight million come in on a Friday, twenty percent
growth the veterinarian school. I mean, I can go down
the whole list of what she's done in a very
short period of time. But they're standing with her. And
we'll have for you probably a copy of their response
by this Friday or Saturday from the Attorney General's Office,

(01:18:34):
who we've been working close with to find out where
they stand on act answering these six lawsuits. So we
feel very good.

Speaker 16 (01:18:42):
Joy Well, first of all, thank you so much for
giving people a blueprint for how to fight back. What
went into your strategy of why to follow lawsuit and
fight back? Because this is happening the country. Many people
are well resourced, and yet they chosen not to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
But you're doing so here.

Speaker 29 (01:19:08):
The reason that I'm fighting back is at some point
when you're a public figure or when you're in leadership,
and as I said, you're really My leadership is about
leading boldly and making sure that I'm there to transform
our students' lives. When it begins to impact our students,
when it begins to impact our faculty and staff, you
have to take a stance as a courageous leader.

Speaker 14 (01:19:31):
I needed to.

Speaker 29 (01:19:32):
I felt it was time to step up and protect
my campus and also make sure that our students recognize
when there is a distraction. Not only are you supposed
to take time to step up, but you have to
deal with the misinformation. People who are in leadership are
in public spaces now. Sometimes misinformation and disinformation spread so

(01:19:55):
quickly you can't do anything about it. But when that happens,
there is a time that you have to say enough
is enough.

Speaker 31 (01:20:01):
And I would add we first saw just a couple
articles and a couple of right wing outlets, but then
we saw the Newsmax when we were on the verge
of should we try to talk to miss saturnly privately
to get her to rethink these things, send a season
desist letter. Then she went prime time with Newsmax. And
at that point doctor Anderson called me and said, I'm
ready to fight. I think prior to that.

Speaker 16 (01:20:23):
Well, no, what you are doing is going to give
pause to other people, and that is so great.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
The next person than disguised to use this tactic think
which worked.

Speaker 16 (01:20:36):
With Claudine Gay, They're gonna say, I can't afford to
engage in this kind of foolishness.

Speaker 18 (01:20:44):
So good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Well, thank you, oh my congo, thank you so much.

Speaker 17 (01:20:50):
Doctor Andison fear continued leadership on this. After Charlie Kirk
was killed, we started to see people going in on
campuses and doing disruptive things. I feel like your school
probably got some of that attention, but you're probably going
to be getting more of this attention given this lawsuit,
given the Newsmax story, and they like you talked about

(01:21:10):
the strength of your students, but have they felt pressure
themselves with visits from on to campus, emails, newspapers calling
them that kind of situation, those kind of situations, and
how have they handled it?

Speaker 29 (01:21:25):
I don't believe that our students have felt the pressure
from that type of media at this time, and I
hope and pray that they do not, and if they do,
we're going to try to take care of them. We
have great mental health counseling services. We make sure that
our campus is very safe and secure, and we constantly
make sure we're being vigilant about watching and taking care
of the students who are on the campus. So this time,

(01:21:48):
like I said, I hope and pray that that does
not happen to them, but we are there to take
care of them if it does.

Speaker 30 (01:21:53):
And what I'm in that we are prepared with team lawyers.

Speaker 31 (01:21:57):
We have twenty lawyers on the contract, and we are
prepared that if we have to step on campus to
defend these students, we'll call on brothers like Scott Bolden
and others to join us. I'm visiting the campus soon
to make sure that the students feel safe, the faculties
feel safe, Dean Anderson, doctor Anderson, excuse me, feel safe,
and anyone connected therewith We want to send a clear

(01:22:18):
message that if you make these kind of statements, you're
not just gonna get hit with a lawsuit, but we're
gonna monitor it and we're gonna meet you at the floor,
at the door and everywhere else. To shut this down
because we can't allow I so appreciate what Roland does,
because we can't allow them to just take our leadership
out because oh she's a dei hier, she's a this hire.

(01:22:39):
We can't stand by idly and just watch anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Nineteen eighty eight, Max Robinson was speaking to a hero
a group of Howard students and alumni, and he was
talking about journalism, and one things he said was never
ever lose your integrity or your credibility, because in the end,
that's all you've got. And listen, folks can attack tone,

(01:23:05):
they can attack. We don't like you doing this, doing that,
But it's a whole different deal when someone literally is
attacking the basis of woman's professional career. And when a
plagiarism charges level against a university professor or a president
regarding an academic piece of work, or even in journalism,

(01:23:28):
I mean that that's one of the most serious offenses.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
And so for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
You, you had to be just highly offended that, oh
you're coming at me for that.

Speaker 29 (01:23:42):
Oh I was, And I was highly offended because I
know that my academic work was completed with the highest
level of integrity. It was reviewed rigorously by all of
the academic standards, and I passed through that and it
is a rigorous process. So Yes, I was highly offended.

Speaker 31 (01:24:02):
And point out Roland. Her chairperson called me and gave
me an affidavit just stay with her chairperson, the person
who oversaw yes her dissertation, Doctor Mason. He called me
and said, I want to talk to you because I've
known her forty plus years. I was the head of
the committee that reviewed her dissertation for two to three weeks,
and he basically said, she passed every flag.

Speaker 30 (01:24:24):
Every test.

Speaker 31 (01:24:24):
If anything, the committee would have caught something at the
school where she got the PhD from. So I thought
that said volumes because usually people stand silent on the
sidelines when you go through this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Final comment.

Speaker 29 (01:24:35):
Final comment, I just want to thank all of those people,
including my advisor, who have been supporting me through this.
All of the faculty, the staff, the students, the community people,
the legislators who have sent me messages. All of those
have been very, very encouraging and have helped me get
through this particular time. And together we are going to

(01:24:55):
continue to make the universe to Maryland Eastern Shore, so
above and beyond in everything we do and build and
leave a legacy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
All right, then we're certain appreciate you come by and
telling the story.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
So one more thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
So, so I have been to well, go ahead, what
are you gonna.

Speaker 29 (01:25:16):
Say, I saw the wall out there?

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
No, No, I've been to well you had that. But
so I've been to one hundred and seven HBCUs. I've
been to I think fifty nine of them. You haven't
been to U two in Maryland. I've not been to
we marrely Eastern Short and Copping and some people your
your your alumni have hit me before saying I don't
see you wear our stuff because I have a rule

(01:25:40):
only I only rep HBC.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
You gear on the show that I've been.

Speaker 29 (01:25:43):
To understood, And so we are going to make a
change in that we are maroon and gray all the way,
and we will make sure that Roland will come back
on the air. That's the AGA colors have that's not
the AGA colors, that's our colors. We're eighteen eighty six
September thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Eh, when we like eighteen what are we eighteen sixty
something like that?

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
You bat, I got.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
A roll in there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I got clampling in there rolling.

Speaker 29 (01:26:06):
We're gonna make sure that we get you all all
hawked out, all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Right, yes, because I know, I know she probably walked there.
She's like, tanke all this HBC. You saw all the
hold up Roland, She's like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
All this stuff, I don't see my school.

Speaker 29 (01:26:26):
We gonna we're gonna make sure that we get you
rapped out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Okay, all right, sounds great.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
And I can't believe when you and name in all
those programs, uh Norham much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I love golf. You didn't say nothing about the PGA.

Speaker 29 (01:26:37):
We have the only certified PGA program of any HPCU
in the country. We have a standing Hospitality Tourism.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Special Golfice Association.

Speaker 29 (01:26:47):
Yes, and we have a number of other programs. Our
criminal justice program is one of the tops. Our students
are now they're majoring in digital media. That that should
ring a bell here for you. So we have a
number of programs. I could go on and on and
just talk about Jesson.

Speaker 31 (01:27:03):
That comes down then Scott Boulders, Scott Boulden is gonna
write you a two million dollars check after school.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Now, Scott cheapot Scott cheap. That's Scott got in his firm. Scott,
I can see it all over. I had to didn't
have to be two.

Speaker 29 (01:27:16):
We'll take it rolling.

Speaker 14 (01:27:17):
I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I had to pull his fingernails out to get two
hundred dollars.

Speaker 29 (01:27:21):
Well, let me let me.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
Say what and I just gave you. I just gave
you a contribution, Roland, and we didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
I just gave you. What about what?

Speaker 14 (01:27:33):
I'm pulling it back now?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
When when you get it?

Speaker 14 (01:27:37):
Doctor Anderson, I'm sending you a check.

Speaker 29 (01:27:39):
Yeah, anybody else, anybody else who wants to be his.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Mouse's running his mouth than I am doing. About to
get about to show what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Dotive you get received.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
You gotta do a check because I'm looking right now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
If I'm looking, is he plagiarizon?

Speaker 8 (01:27:59):
Is he plager? Scot?

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Scott? You did not just give me anything. This is
eight age eight and eleven thirty seven? Am so Scott?

Speaker 30 (01:28:14):
On the.

Speaker 14 (01:28:16):
I just took a picture of the God Center.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Look God, I got receipts. Campus, I got receipt Why
I now get off me.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
The president.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
I'm sending we would we would.

Speaker 29 (01:28:34):
Yes, yes, take thiss happy to take your house.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Don't chill one house don't seeing him. Some reminderus Dot.

Speaker 29 (01:28:43):
We help our students every little bit help.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
I agreed, but you gotta you gotta stay on them.

Speaker 7 (01:28:48):
We need to read Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
That's what I don't Scott. We'll appreciate it. Keep us
abreast what happens. I'm looking forward to come to campus.

Speaker 29 (01:28:55):
Thank you so much. You look forward to having all right,
and then soon.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
And then I'll bring my clubs too, because.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Uh about no out feel you know, I play, babe.
I gotta putt green right there. Look, you don't understand.
I ain't look out.

Speaker 29 (01:29:06):
I play too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Okay, what's your handicap?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
This is got Let me step my six point six
so we can play.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Let's go.

Speaker 29 (01:29:15):
I'm not touching that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Let's go.

Speaker 29 (01:29:17):
I'm gonna stay in the office.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
No, not got that hit him. We got I gotta
see what your game look like. I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Thanks about appreciate folks, quick breat We come back, attorney
big Crop. We're gonna talk about the Sonya Massy trial
taking place right now, where the white cop who shot
and killed her to the stand today saying he was
imperious life. This is after his kid's partner testified that
he wasn't in fear. That's next Rolling Mark unfiltered on
the black Shot Network.

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
Josh Cole became a pastor and delegate to serve his community.
That's why Josh is fighting to lower costs for families
hurting from inflation and make sure we can all afford
quality healthcare. But Steinway has embraced his magabackers, who support
Trump's mass firing of federal workers and the MAGA plan
to ban abortion with no exceptions. We deserve better than

(01:30:11):
Sean Steinway.

Speaker 9 (01:30:13):
I'm Josh Cole, candidate for delegate, and I sponsored this ad.

Speaker 11 (01:30:17):
In the military, I gave orders and they went a
lot further than they do around here. If there's one
thing I've learned as a mom and foster pan of
more kids than I can count.

Speaker 29 (01:30:29):
Investing in that picture isn't a choice.

Speaker 11 (01:30:32):
In Richmond, I'll fight for Stafford's fair share for our schools,
smaller class sizes, better teacher pay, and more vocational training.
I'm Stacey Carrol, and I'll fight to get our kids'
future in order.

Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
and community lead. Now, after four years on the Spotsylvania
school Board, Nicole is running for delegate to meet the

(01:31:08):
stay in our communities. Nicole Cole for Delegate, for us,
for our future.

Speaker 12 (01:31:17):
If in this country right now, you have people get
up in the morning and the only thing they can
think about is how many people they can hurt, and
they got the power, that's the time.

Speaker 14 (01:31:28):
For mourning, for better or worse.

Speaker 26 (01:31:30):
What makes America special, It's that legal system that's supposed
to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
We are at a point of a moral emergency.

Speaker 27 (01:31:43):
We must raise a voice of outrag, We must raise
a voice of compassion, and we must raise a voice
of unity.

Speaker 12 (01:31:53):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.
We are in a crisis of civilization, human's rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself. And guess what, You've
been chosen to make sure that those that would destroy,
those that would hate, don't have the final say, and

(01:32:15):
they don't ultimately win.

Speaker 11 (01:32:16):
Tweak On the other side of change, book fans anti
intellectualism and Trump's continued war on wisdom.

Speaker 32 (01:32:22):
This is a coordinated backlash to progress. At the end
of the day, conservatives realized that they couldn't win a
debate on facts. They started using our language against us. Right,
remember when we were all woke and the woke movement.

Speaker 14 (01:32:35):
And all that kind of stuff. Now everything is anti woke.

Speaker 32 (01:32:38):
Right when we were talking about including diversity, equity, inclusion,
and higher education, Now it's anti d all. This our
efforts to suppress the truth because truth empowers people.

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Spread the word, now, y'all dow y'all know congress Woman

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Jasmine Crockett never holds back and she lent into Donald
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Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
She called it exactly what it is, roll it represented.

Speaker 20 (01:33:50):
Jasmine Crockett from Texas.

Speaker 33 (01:33:52):
Thank you so much, Madam Rinker, and thank you so
much to our witnesses for being here today.

Speaker 20 (01:33:59):
You know, I've said and I've listened, and what.

Speaker 33 (01:34:03):
My colleague, mister Christian Morphy just talked about was just
blatant racism, Like I'm gonna just call a thing a thing,
like this administration is racist, that he has always been
a racist, and that is what we are enduring in
this country. Let me give you some facts behind this racism.

(01:34:23):
And they get mad when I say the things that
I say, but I will not stop speaking the truth.
Number One, I said that what we were experiencing in
this country felt like what I would imagine slave patrols
to look like. And frankly, anybody that knows anything about
slave patrols, this is exactly what it was like. We're
talking about lawless people that are going around with no

(01:34:47):
warrants or anything, and it's all about rounding people up
and disappearing them. That is what's currently taking place. And
interestingly enough, even though modern day policing was born, aren't
out of slave patrols. When I was speaking with one
of my friends who is a federal law enforcement officer,

(01:35:08):
he told me that one of the things that he
has observed is that the culture is created at the top,
And when I think about it, it absolutely makes sense.
If you have somebody at the top that will not
tolerate the types of things that we're seeing, then maybe
those under you won't do it. But we know that
we have a racist at the top. He has called

(01:35:29):
himself the head law enforcement agent in this country, and
therefore everybody has decided that it is okay to take
off their hoods and mask up as ICE agents. Now
we've talked about how they have hidden themselves, but again
it reminds me of the clan. That is why I
propose the clear Id Act to make them identify themselves,

(01:35:54):
because it is dangerous for law enforcement as well as
individuals because you you don't know, especially with ICE going
around and doing the things the thugs do. They're busting
out windows, they're breaking into homes, breaking people's arms. This
doesn't sound like law enforcement. It sounds like thuggery to me.

(01:36:15):
But just like you can have somebody at the top
that sets the tone for ugliness going down. You guys
are blessed because in the city of Chicago, you have
a mayor.

Speaker 20 (01:36:26):
You have a mayor that has.

Speaker 33 (01:36:27):
Decided that he will not back down, He will not
be in to this administration and.

Speaker 20 (01:36:31):
Instead he will stand up for the people.

Speaker 33 (01:36:34):
You have a man of valor that is going up
against a villain, and I think that we have to
make sure, especially while we're in his city, that we recognize.

Speaker 20 (01:36:43):
His leadership because it is invaluable.

Speaker 33 (01:36:46):
Now, some people think that this is all about Chicago,
but I want people to understand that this cancer is
infecting us everywhere. And if you don't think that it
can come to your city, well I've got news for you.
You see, we've been talking about the unusual punishment that
is in violation of the Eighth Amendment that is being
handed out, and honestly is to spit in the face

(01:37:08):
of every American that we have an actual convicted feeling
that feels aggrieved to the extent that he feels like
he's old hundreds of millions of dollars when people are
literally dying under our watch. Recently, I just sent a letter,
it looks like on October twenty second to Christinome and

(01:37:28):
one of the things that I laid out is that
we have seen the most detainee deaths in ice custody
in a single year in decades, with twenty deaths in
the last nine months, compared to twenty four deaths in
the past prior four years now. This week we learned
that an individual who went to.

Speaker 20 (01:37:49):
The Dallas Icefield office for a routine visit, meaning that
they were doing things.

Speaker 33 (01:37:54):
The quote unquote right way.

Speaker 20 (01:37:56):
They were detained.

Speaker 33 (01:37:58):
They knew that this individual had diabetes and required insulin
every two hours.

Speaker 20 (01:38:05):
Despite ice having.

Speaker 33 (01:38:06):
Been told this, the individual was denied access to their
medication for eight days, resulting in hospitalization.

Speaker 20 (01:38:15):
There are some that say that.

Speaker 33 (01:38:17):
We are making America great, But to me, it doesn't
feel like greatness.

Speaker 20 (01:38:22):
It feels like grossness.

Speaker 33 (01:38:25):
And in fact, I want to ask a few questions,
and it doesn't matter who answers them. Is it great
or gross to go into people's houses and drag them
out in the middle of the night.

Speaker 8 (01:38:40):
Gross?

Speaker 20 (01:38:41):
Is it great or gross.

Speaker 33 (01:38:43):
To make people afraid to do something as simple.

Speaker 20 (01:38:46):
As go to school?

Speaker 33 (01:38:48):
Is it great or gross to make hard working people
say I am too scared to show up to my job.

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
Gross?

Speaker 33 (01:38:57):
Thank you so much to each and every one of
you for your courage. Thank you so much for showing up.
And miss Oh, I want to tell you that I
understand that your mother is being detained in el Paso.
I did go and visit that facility. I want you
to know that I am always on my job, all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Right, then speaking truth wherever she can, folks. That's turned
to Illinois, where the trial of the cop who shot
and kills Sonya masses going. On the sixth day of
the trial, former Sangamon kind of Shares Depuanie Shawn Grayson
took the stand to explain to the jury why he
said he feared for his life on July six, twenty
twenty four of them. Now he's shot and killed Sonya

(01:39:38):
Massi when she was standing at a stove with a
pot of hoarder. Grayson said he fired his weapon when
he saw Massi throw the pot at him. Okay, he
literally says she threw the pot at him. We have
the video, y'all. The jury already heard from his partner,

(01:40:00):
the Dawson Freeley, who said that he was confused and
not threatened when Massey said I rebuke in the name
of Jesus. He also told the jury he did not quote,
see or hear anything that would have prompted Grayson to
draw his service weapon. Now, y'all roll the video, keep going,

(01:40:20):
move fast forward to the when she's at the stove.
So we joined right now by Ciros attorney Ben Crump,
whoever's in the massive family being.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
He actually testified that she threw the pot at him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yes, wait, roller video, Roller video, y'all, you see right here.
This is Grayson, this is Massy, she's at the stove.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Turn the audio up.

Speaker 18 (01:40:50):
I talk to face.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
It's it's sickening to watch that he straight lied. Understand
did he not think they did? He not think that
prosecutor is not gonna show the video? S man, I

(01:41:22):
don't want the hell that every time we can play
that video is sickening to watch that woman did not
throw the pot.

Speaker 34 (01:41:32):
Yeah, Rolling Martin. It is troubling every time I see
that video. How unnecessary, how unjustifiable, and just how callous
him shooting this unmed black woman who did not commit
a crime. She called them Rolling Martin because she was

(01:41:55):
having a mental health crisis. And so why is it
far too often? And thank God for you Roland Martin
be covering all these instances where black people with mental
health issues end up dead at the hands of law enforcement,
and then they try to all say, oh, I was.

Speaker 8 (01:42:17):
In fear of my life. I mean, it's not right.

Speaker 34 (01:42:22):
And I pray tomorrow, since they're having closing arguments, that
the jury that is comprised of eleven white people and.

Speaker 8 (01:42:33):
One black man will hold.

Speaker 34 (01:42:38):
This I don't even want to call him my law
enforcement officer, call hold this coward accountable for murder of
this black woman.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
I mean it's his former his former officer, his former partner, testify,
the guy standing right next to me. So for you
to sit here and claim, oh my god, because we
all know if you're a cop, the best way for
you to get office to go or I fear from
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
But there's video here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
We see the distance between and he actually thinks that
we're gonna fall for the okie dope, that she had
a pot, you got a gun, and that that pot,
if it was actually thrown, was somehow going to take

(01:43:33):
your life a pot.

Speaker 34 (01:43:37):
You know, Roland, when you watch the video, and it's
very important that people analyze the video, when she says,
I rebuke you in the night.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Bring freezing right here, freezing right here, freezing video. Look
at the idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
You got a big ass counter with stuff on top
of it, separating her and him.

Speaker 34 (01:43:57):
Hey, you know, Roland, You're so shocked, when it comes
to matters like this, because notice rolling he if he's
in faribus life. He steps around the counter with the
barrier and takes a step towards her before he does.

Speaker 8 (01:44:17):
What he said.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
He was going to raise it right here free versus
the guys in her face. Now his was crazy rolling back,
roll it back. Okay, I need y'all understand. He pulls
his gun out. All right, he pulls his gun out. Okay,
roll it. He pulled roll it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Stop right here. Now the gun's out. Now watch that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Roll it, freeze it freezer, keep playing it crazy, right,
So he comes she she He pulls the gun out.
She falls to the floor. No, no, no, stay on
the video. Roll it back. He pulls the gun out,

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She falls to the floor. He steps around the counter
to get a clean shot at her, because he doesn't
have a clean shot freezing right here. He doesn't have
a clean shot right here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
But he feared for his life. Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
And this is and being this is the issue, and
you've had to deal with some of these cases. These
cops they know when they talking to Jews, mostly white people,
all they got to say is I fear for my
life and too many white jaws said, got jail free card.

Speaker 34 (01:45:41):
Yeah yeah, And Roland, I don't take it for granted
at all, even though his partner said, and I want
to applaud his partner who said, I did not feel fear.
I don't think she was threatening in any kind of way.

Speaker 8 (01:45:58):
He said.

Speaker 34 (01:45:58):
In fact, Roland and he felt fear from Grason in
his actions. And so his officer, his partner, testifies it
out on the witness stand. With that being said, let's
don't think it's a far going conclusion that they're gonna convictim,

(01:46:19):
but we want to.

Speaker 8 (01:46:20):
Believe that they are going.

Speaker 34 (01:46:24):
To not let him get off. The question is there
going to be a holdout because we know these conservative
MAGA people. They don't think there's anything that a police
officer can do to be found guilty of killing a
black person.

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
And I think that's gonna be the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
And this is for folks who don't know, this is
a state trial, not a federal trial.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Correct it is.

Speaker 34 (01:46:51):
And we appla Governor Pritzker. Not only did we get
the largest amount for a black woman being killed than
the State of Illinois in a room for death, but
they passed the Sonya Massy Act that said you have
an obligation to tell perspective employers that you have these

(01:47:16):
allegations of excessive force. Now the employer can still hire you,
but at least they can't say we didn't know about
the history of this officer before we hired them.

Speaker 8 (01:47:28):
And so that's two.

Speaker 34 (01:47:29):
We got civil justice, we got legislative change, and the
only thing that remains is can we get a criminal
conviction to make sure that the death of Sonya Mastery,
this innocent, beautiful black woman, will not go unaccounted for.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Being While we also have you here, can you share
any light the Brima Taylor case. I saw this to
day where there's been a settlement with the neighbors of
Brema Taylor. We forget that the neighbors impacted. This was
a post mother's against police brutality. Some bullets aimed that
Brema Taylor ripped through the wall into the apartment where

(01:48:14):
her neighbors, including a pregnant woman and child, slept. The
settlement camp undo the trauma or restore their sense of
safety in their home. Real accountability for that night is
still missing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
So even that even.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Though we people thought that was over, that settlement was
announced today.

Speaker 34 (01:48:29):
Yeah, yeah, and thank god people continue to fight and
thank you Roland. After everybody forgets and moves on, you know,
people lives are still impacted. And so I know the
lawyers who were working on that case, thank god that
they kept fighting. There was a major motion to dismiss

(01:48:51):
that the judge denied, and I believe once that was denied,
then the city said we must do the right thing.
And that was the same situation Roland, that they have
Kenny Walker, Brianna's barfriend before they said it down. They
want to say, if a judge will give them a
free pass card to kill a black person or to

(01:49:11):
harass a black person, and if the judges don't do it,
then they will normally try to resolve the case. But
that's why lessions matter so much, because many of these
Trump federal judges now are dismissing the civil rights cases.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
And that was Chelsea Napper and Cody Eatherton. It was
their particular apartment. Ben, do you have any update on
the Trey Reid case.

Speaker 34 (01:49:37):
You know, we're waiting for the final autopsy reports to
come back, and as soon as it does, Roland, you'll
be one of the first people I call. As we
often talk about these matters even when you're not on air,
we still are wanting to know for certain and I

(01:49:59):
think we owe that to Trey Read to make sure
we have all of the scientific, biological miracle evidence concluded
before we make a statement.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
All right, then, well, you know, we hate the fact
that we've had to do way too many of these interviews,
talking to way too many of these families. But unfortunately,
as we know, mainstream media does not pay any attention
to a lot of these cases unless it blows up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
And I've had.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
People tell me, Roland, you shouldn't show these videos. But
I'm gonna say this again for the people who say that,
y'all need to understand that the families who lost people,
they actually appreciate that we cover these stories. So we
don't want to have to show these videos. But if
we don't keep it out there, then too many of

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these cases will never get any attention because of mainstream
media's decision.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
And being you know that too, well.

Speaker 34 (01:51:00):
I know it, brother, and that's why we love you, Roland,
and that's why we need the Black Start Network.

Speaker 8 (01:51:04):
Brother now more than ever.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Being Thanks a.

Speaker 8 (01:51:08):
Lot, Yes, sir, complass Scott, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Gonna go to you, lawyer, I mean, you got you
gotta you gotta be think you a damn good liar
to go on the stand and say, sonya Matsey threw
the pot at me when in the video.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
It does not happen.

Speaker 14 (01:51:30):
Yeah, And and the real and the partner who drew
their gun too.

Speaker 35 (01:51:35):
You could tell his partner drew his gun, but she
was out of the picture and she you were a
gun because she didn't really know why he drew his gun,
but she didn't want to get caught without her gun.
He he right, So his reaction, his reaction was really
to him, like what the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Hell you got your gun? Okay, Like like what we're
doing exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:51:58):
And so you know, as a former prosecutor, former homicide
prosecutor from New York City, when you're in those situations,
and I've been in them a couple times, not in
the home, but outside where they've drawn their guns because
they're trying to make an arrest. If one pulls their gun,
the others one's will too. But in this case, man,

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she ducks down Roland because he pulled his gun.

Speaker 14 (01:52:26):
And then she said he says, put the pot down.
She puts the pop up near her face, like this
pot right here.

Speaker 18 (01:52:34):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:52:34):
The other thing that's missing from the video that you.

Speaker 13 (01:52:37):
Know I'm a big advocate for this is mental health
services in our police departments, like Detroit has where if
you get a mental health call, there's a mental health
trained police officer that goes to the scene with the
frontline police officers.

Speaker 14 (01:52:51):
One of the few programs in the country.

Speaker 13 (01:52:53):
There may be more, but I know about the Detroit
on because I've been reading about it and stuff that
could have avoided this.

Speaker 14 (01:53:00):
But if you had let me ask Ben a question.
I'll ask you this question. It's easy to say that these.

Speaker 36 (01:53:05):
Are racist white cops got it right, But are you
ever amazed when I break down these videos over the
last eight years with you, I'm amazed at the level
of incompetence of people we give guns and badges to, Like,
does in confidence come before the racism or in confidence

(01:53:26):
comes with the racism?

Speaker 14 (01:53:28):
Because they're both racist.

Speaker 13 (01:53:29):
And incompetent, and people are losing their lives because of both,
it just makes no sense whatsoever.

Speaker 14 (01:53:37):
Maybe it's both.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
What do you think, Oh, very simple? There are thugs
with badgers and guns. There are yeaps, there are cops
white and some black who have no business being on
a police force. And this guy having a gun or
a bas this guy had issues at his previous one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
And listen, the cop who killed.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Or kill Tamir Rice got a job and another law
enforcement agency. These folks, this is why there has to
the should be federal database. These folks should never ever
be allowed to have gone and a badge again, go
in congo, as simple as that, because they are going
to continue this nonsense again and again.

Speaker 18 (01:54:23):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 17 (01:54:24):
And I don't even look at it as incompetence, to
be honest, because if it wasn't competence, this would be
happening with white people who get pulled over or who
got the police called on them, and it doesn't happen.
And so I feel like it is the racism, and
it's part of the training to see us as to humanized.
We know across the country sevel of these law enforcement agencies.
We're not just using black sill of weights silhouettes for

(01:54:44):
target practice, but actually images of black people as target practice.
So they don't see us as human and that's one
of the problems here. And so when I look at
this video. When I look at this story, it's it's
it's amazing. As Van Crumb said, that we still don't
know if he's going to be found guilty, and that
speaks to the larger problem of our humanity in this society.

(01:55:06):
I don't know any of these stories, any of these
cases where we've actually seen the other cop or the
other cops on the scene disagree with the cop who
did the act. I mean, usually they want to get
their story strade or somebody won't appear in the like
the other officer saying I did not see himself as
a threat. And we still elive, we got the video rolling,
and we still don't know what's going to happen. That's

(01:55:26):
another example of the sarvy state that we're in as
relates to police relations with black people in this country.
And it's twenty twenty five, and he absolutely I'm glad
that Prisca has that rule about you know, you have
to talk about what happened to you in the past
if you go for other jobs, because we need a
national database on that. The Biden administration was interested in
doing that. We know Trump Garvida all of that, and

(01:55:47):
so really at the end of the day, I'm glad
Crumb's on the case, but we have to continue to
follow this man because this is about our humanity and
whether people want to see the videos or not, this
is happening in our communities and somebody's got to speak
on it because no one else is there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Yeah, I mean, I just, I mean we have to
confront and deal with the reality of this joy and
got a call the hypocrisy and all these cops they know,
fear for my life get out of jail free, and
these juris they will give law enforcement the benefit of
the doubt over and over and over.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Over and over again. And like I would just like
to say, ain't I a woman?

Speaker 16 (01:56:24):
Can you imagine that you've sought out help and a
man comes to your door and tells you that he's
going to blow your fucking face off. That's what he
said to her in that video. That to me like
just started the shock and awe and the assault on her,
the verbal assault on her. And then she pulls up

(01:56:47):
when I saw her grap you know, like it was
almost to protect herself. He pulled his gun on her
and she immediately went to shield herself. Both in the
pot and also ducking down. This woman was not a threat.
And you know, the only thing I could imagine here,
you know, like Attorney Crump said, like others have said,
we don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
We can only imagine that.

Speaker 16 (01:57:11):
But for dury nullification, they would have to find this
man guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
But that could actually happen. What's so shocking here?

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
And we've seen before, We've seen him before. I got
to ask y'all this here real quick. Scott had to leave.
I'll definitely want to get his thoughts on this, but
have y'all see all these right wingers. So yesterday, Zoran
Mamdani I had a massive rally in New York City
with Congress Moroman Alexandria Okeso Cortez as well as senter
Bernie Sanders. They had somewhat thirteen fifteen thousand people. Feel

(01:57:47):
us say, guys, come on switched, come on switch, thank you. Okay,
So look at this Bill Ackman.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Bill Ackman and a whole bunch of the right wingers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
They posted this be does this crowd looked like a
representative sample of New Yorkers. So they've been I'm like,
all these folks have been posting this nonsense, and so
check this one out. This is the one that I
also think is funny. Win some seers. Okay, okay, guys,
I'm I'm okay, can Joey can you hear us?

Speaker 14 (01:58:24):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:58:24):
Yes, I can.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
I'm sorry, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
So you were talking, so I thought you couldn't hear it,
all right, So all right, y'all, So watch this here.
So then then the same right wingers have been mad
because Obama is coming to uh uh coming to uh
Virginia the campaign with Abigail Spamberger is running for governor

(01:58:46):
uh and they've been posting, oh like like like first
of all, like this little silly negro Obama lectured black
men the exact qualities they should demand the leaders vote
for Kamala.

Speaker 7 (01:58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Win.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Some series is practically the walking and bodyment of every
single want.

Speaker 14 (01:59:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
That's a that's that's a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Because when you look at the policies full uh, that's
what Obama was talking about. But I've seen so many
these people post and I just find to be laughable
that on the congo, all of a sudden the right
wingers want DEI Now they're like, whoa, you know, look
at the crowd that doesn't look like New York Where,
and then that these these right wingers have been going

(01:59:23):
crazy where I mean even Bill o'rut.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
Where were the black people at the No Kings?

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Oh so now all of a sudden, y'all want black
folks to show up. It is amazing to me how
they hate DEI you shouldn't be bringing up race. It's
all merit. It's a colored society. But now y'all want
to trash you know, you know, was the NAATP because
Spamburger spoke to the NAACP did win some series go No,

(01:59:50):
you know it's like the inter pas endorsing Spamburger. No,
they're not, you know, so they all like, like, here's
the perfect example.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
Auld let's see here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Listen, this little silly, simple Simon Negro is to listen.

Speaker 37 (02:00:03):
I'm going to try to be serious for a minute.
If you haven't heard, by now, the NAACP has endorsed
Abigail Spamberger to run against Winsom Earl Sears for governor
of Virginia. Nothing screams progress for people of color like
watching the same crowd that preaches representation matters suddenly go
full Stevie wonder and Ray Charles when the representation has
an R next.

Speaker 8 (02:00:23):
To her name.

Speaker 14 (02:00:23):
Funny how that shit works.

Speaker 7 (02:00:25):
Huh.

Speaker 37 (02:00:25):
When some earl sears black female immigrant marine success story, Nah, doesn't.

Speaker 8 (02:00:30):
Fit the approved narrative.

Speaker 37 (02:00:31):
Apparently she's the wrong kind of black because we all
know being a strong, independent, educated conservative woman means you've
been brainwashed by the patriarchy. Right and the same people
who quote Malcolm X like its scripture could beniently ignore
the part where he said that there's nothing more dangerous
to a black man than.

Speaker 8 (02:00:48):
The white liberal.

Speaker 37 (02:00:49):
But they're out here acting like Spamburger is the second
coming of MLK just because she checks the.

Speaker 8 (02:00:53):
Right political box.

Speaker 37 (02:00:54):
I guess diversity only counts when it votes blue, and
representation only matters when it agrees with your Twitter feed.
The same people screaming and black women deserve a seat
at the table or suddenly flipping the fucking table.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
All right, I don't really need that stupid ass idiot,
because first of all, he's a liar. Okay, Abigail Spenberger
spoke at the Virginia NAACP convention. She was not endorsed,
your dumb ass, And all these right wingers are running
their Miles and there's condok well, well, while they're not

(02:01:25):
supporting winso seers, she how about they disagree with her agenda?

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Oh yeah, see I love.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
These idiots who now all of a sudden, so this
dumb ass right here show his face again, this simple,
simon ass negro.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
Okay, I called the help as well as all these
little white maga people.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
What you'm saying, why MP while y'all not, while y'all
not endorsing WIN some seers, how about because her agenda
screws black people?

Speaker 7 (02:01:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (02:01:59):
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 14 (02:02:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (02:02:00):
It really sucks that he also looks like metha man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
No, no, he don't look like methan man. I know,
method man. He looked like a broke ass. Wish he
could be method man, but go ahead.

Speaker 17 (02:02:16):
Yeah, and that broke out laughing when you put off
that first tweet by taferl whoever about WINS series.

Speaker 18 (02:02:23):
I mean, these guys are so hilarious and they're weak.

Speaker 7 (02:02:27):
Mind.

Speaker 17 (02:02:27):
It just shows how weak they are because they can't
take any critiques that are thrown at them whenever it
says somebody says something like Trump's a dictator.

Speaker 18 (02:02:35):
To have all of these segments, Oh my.

Speaker 17 (02:02:36):
Gosh, how can you say that you're responsible for all
the political violence?

Speaker 18 (02:02:40):
This is what the left does, and so one and
so forth.

Speaker 17 (02:02:42):
And now you see that a black female candidate is
not being endorsed by Democrats and black people in general,
and now you want to talk about there should be
DEI then you want to talk about Zora Mandanni's rally,
but you don't want to talk about any of your
Trump rallies that never look like all of America. You
don't want to talk about Trump's cabinet that doesn't look
like America. And the man's not not even in America
right now? Where's where's his ringing endorsement for her? You know,

(02:03:04):
he could put out some statements and things, but the
Republican Party hasn't even seriously gotten behind her, So what
are they talking about? The responses are hilarious, but it's
really striking and how it just highlights their hypocrisy at
every single level. So I'm really glad he showed these videos, man,
because I know it's sad, but I kind of needed

(02:03:26):
a laugh to night.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
To But Jorge, they act like black folks can't read.
We know what her crazy ass has said. They're not
supporting her agenda. We know it's listen, listen, there are
black listen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
I pull up earlier.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
That was a white guy named George Voenovitch who was
a white Republican. George Voenovitch got a significant number of
black votes when he ran for the mayor of Cleveland.
Do you know why he met with black people? He
talked with black people. The items that black people cared
about was part of its agenda. When George Voinovich rampa

(02:04:06):
governor of Ohio, he got a lot of black votes
because he sat down with black people. He listened to
black people, He talked with black people. He advanced agenda
items they cared about. When George Voenivich ran for the
United States Senate, what happened?

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
He got lots of black votes.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
If black people ain't voting for a black Republican, hmm,
it could be we don't like their anti black agenda.

Speaker 16 (02:04:36):
Correct, And I'm willing to bet the Virginia State NAACP
invited when some seers and she chose not to come.
She's deciding that she doesn't care about these voters. Her
real problem, though, is not just black people. Her real
problem is that it's all of the federal workers who
are in Virginia, who she said she doesn't really care

(02:04:58):
about what Donald Trump is doing to them. Matter of fact,
she said it was sort of an insignificant issue. The
federal government is the largest employer in the state of Virginia,
so to not you know, and not just in the
DC area, I mean all the way down to Norfolk
and other areas. So like, the idea that she did
not understand that this was a central issue that was

(02:05:19):
going to pit her against the president and that she
needed to have an answer was political malpractice. Moreover, where
are the Republicans? Donald Trump could easily go to Virginia.
He's all the way in Asia. He couldn't have crossed
the river to go to Virginia to do an event
for her that would be meaningful. Right to say her

(02:05:41):
name repeatedly? Many times he has forgotten to mention her name.

Speaker 18 (02:05:45):
Many times.

Speaker 16 (02:05:45):
He has failed to put the full weight of the
MAGA movement behind this black woman. So they don't need
to worry about who black people are voting for. They
need to worry about who the Republican voters of Virginia
are really going to.

Speaker 4 (02:06:00):
They don't even seem that interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Well, first of all, wins need to go ahead and
get her ass a new website because I've been trying
to click on winso for governor dot com and.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
It's not even going through.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
I'm like, I'm tapping on it, and I've been trying
for the past uh several minutes, and so, uh, baby,
maybe you didn't go hire your black tech company to
figure out your damn website. You know, man, you got
website issues, you got you got all kinds of issues
over there. So I just it's just hilarious how all

(02:06:35):
of a sudden, hold on, let me find that clip,
because I uh, it was so uh you know, all
these all these votes we're looking at you look at
these the new keys. Where were the black people? Where
were the black people? And everybody? So all of a sudden,
now y'all want black people. How about y'all let white
folks go do what they do and we go do
some other stuff like I mean, that's just trips me out.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
I mean, all all these.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
Folk were just like you seen you did black people
take off. We don't have to always listen. We do
stuff when we feel like it. But man, these folks
were sitting here all and again. I just love these
people who always got something to say. It's antidi, But
then all of a sudden, y'all want to ask where

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the black people?

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
We have other stuff to your HBCU homecomings. We had
conferences and you know what, some of us went and
played golf. So it's like, man, go do what y'all do?
You know, but stop sitting here. You know, always again,
when y'all want to criticize, then y'all want to sit
here and ask where the black people?

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
But then y'all want to hate d e I. We know,
damn where the the gop? It's all about d Ei.

Speaker 2 (02:07:54):
Hell, they all excited because Barry Wise was named editor
in chief at CBS Evening News CBS a woman who
ain't never worked in TV. Oh, so y'all don't mind
an unqualified white woman taking a job who ain't never
working in the business.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
But y'all won't say nothing about that.

Speaker 14 (02:08:13):
Huh, that's right?

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Ain't that something?

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
It's amazing, how it's amazing how they love trying to
trash DEI talking about didn't ever, didn't earn it. But
when y'all's silly asses are promoting folks, then you don't
want to say anything. So I don't really care what
y'all gotta say. I don't really care what y'all gotta say.

(02:08:39):
I really don't. I don't give a damn, But tell
what you're gonna do. I hope y'all see a whole
bunch of black people go to the polls in Virginia
and not vote some sears, and I hope that absolutely happens.
And his other deal if when some seriers want to
talk to black people, she come on this show. I'm sorry,
we've never heard from her campaign.

Speaker 4 (02:09:02):
Let me be on.

Speaker 18 (02:09:04):
Please let me that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
You've never heard from her campaign.

Speaker 2 (02:09:08):
I'm just you know, a matter of fact, Carol, just
go ahead and call win some campaign. Let's see, they
want to come talk to the black I'm sorry, I'm
gonna use their phrase.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
See they want to come talk to the blacks. Come on, y'all,
come on, come talk to the blacks. That's Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
Come, I'm gonna go see the blacks. Like that's like
that's the movie.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Like that's the movie Meet meet the blacks.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Come on, when some come meet the blacks, win some sears,
that's right, come on over here, win some and meet
the blacks. Please by all means come in meet the blacks.
All right, y'all, that's it for us. I'm going to
be Roland.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
I think you got your new tagline for a shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
Come Meet the Black?

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
Will we come meet the Black?

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
Come Meet the Black? That but that ain't gonna that
ain't gonna never ever happen. All right, let me thank
on the Congo Joey Scott being on today's show. Y'all
tomorrow be broadcasting live from Houston. We're gonna be an
h chap for the next three days for Afro Tech.
We'll be broadcasting from there, looking forward to that. We're
gonna be chat with doctor Jeryl Horne tomorrow. So all

(02:10:19):
these these again, these white conservatives, cracked me up. They
have been losing their minds on social media last seventy
two hours over some comments made by Zorn Mam Donnie's
father about Hitler's studying America Jim Crow and they are mad.
I mean, I'm talking about big mad. I'm talking about that.
That race is Matt Walsh. I mean he's been posting

(02:10:41):
all sorts of videos just mad, just all in his feelings.
He got a new one. So Ron Mam Donnie oh's
America a thank you? Instead, all he does is wine
and then sow us ungrateful, egotistical.

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
Useless brat.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
And you are a plaid shirt wearing in comp tent
ingreat idiot who doesn't even know anything about American history
because literally everything Donnie's mama, Donnie's father said is actually
factually correct. But see, white conservatives hated when you actually
state factual things about America's sordid history. So we're gonna

(02:11:20):
get into that tomorrow. Also, we're gonna talk tomorrow about
now you've got a new group of Democrats, y'all, new
group of Democrats now call themselves centrists and laying out
the path forward for how Democrats can win the future
lectures saying they went too far left and they focused
on identity politics and things along those lines. Sounds very

(02:11:42):
much like the DLC from the eighties and the nineties. Yeah,
I got to get into that as well, And I'm
trying to find out from them people how many black
people who are part of their conversation can't wait to
have them on the show as well. All right, y'all,
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