Senate Dems Walkout, GOP $9B Aid & NPR/PBS Cuts, Prison Phone Fee Outrage & Wild Tuberville Rant

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Today's third July seventeen, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Coming up on Rolling Mark.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Nonfoils are streaming live on the black Star Network. Democrats
of the Senate walk out of a hearing Republicans won't
even allow them to share their thoughts about one of
the most despicable federal judges Donald Trump has ever appointed.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Will show you what took place.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Also, Senate Democrats vote fifty one forty eight to cut
funding for NPR and Public Broadcasting PBS. Republicans are ecstatic
because they've been crying about.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh my god, they're so against us for so long.
They're idiots. Also, how dumbus Donald Trump's prosecutors.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
They literally won a cop who was guilty of the
death of Brema Taylor to serve one day in jail.
One day in jail. Yep, that's real. Also, Tyler Timberville,
we know he's an idiot. He literally says, you want
to hang around legals, you should be deported to This
guy's just done.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We'll show you that whole deal as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So, uh, plus, we'll talk about what happens when you're
in prison and you got to make phone calls. Why
does it cost so much? Well, Democrats cut that cut
those fees. Republicans now say, nah, what the hell charged
about the wazoo.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're talked to the FCC commersioner who was.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
On the commission who actually pushed this through. Folks are
trying to bring the funk on rollingd markin unfiltered of
a Blackstar network.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Let's go, he's knowing it what.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
To believes, he's right on top and is best believe
he's going thanks Boston News to politics with entertainment just bookcakes.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
He's stolen.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's rolling, he's spooky stress, she's real.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
The question though he's rolling Monte.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I've told y'all man tis Republicans don't give a damn
about rules or customs.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
They do whatever it is they want to do.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
In today and the Senate Judiciary Committee, same thing happened
normally when you vote on advancing judges.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Both sides get the talk. Publics are like, you know what,
we don't want to hear what y'all have to say.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Have pissed off Democrats so they literally walked out of
the meeting and send a Cory Booker laid in to
him watch.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
This to pass jurisdiction and past president, why are you
doing this.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
This is outrageous.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
This is wrong.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
To violate your own rules without going by the mandates
of the parliamentarian.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
This is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
There's a way to do this.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
If you want to force this through, if you want
to ram this through, there's a way to do it
in accordance to the rules as spelled out by the parliamentarian.
It is simple, it is clear. There's a pathway to
achieve what you're trying to achieve. But sir, this lacks decency.
It lacks decorum. It shows that you do not want

(03:42):
to simply hear from your colleagues. This is absolutely wrong,
And sir, this is to me one of those moments
where we are not showing common respect for each other
on both sides. I have sat here when we are
in the majority and listen to my colleagues arguments, listen
to their past statements, and then we voted.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
This is not that.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
This is us simply trying to rush through one of
the most controversial nominees we've had under this presidential administration. Sir,
God bless America. You are a good man, you are
a decent man. Why are you doing this? What is
Donald Trump saying to you that are making you do
something which is violating the decorum of this committee, the

(04:25):
rules of this committee, the decency and the respect that
we have each other to at least hear each other out.
I've sat through so many long speeches of my colleagues,
heard their objections with sincerity to try to see what
their arguments are. But we are not doing that, sir.
This is wrong, and you know it. There are some

(04:46):
people in this committee who are the least firebrand people
and they've walked out. Some of the least controversial people
in the Senate, some of the people that work the
hardest to find bipartisan common ground, have just walked.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Out of this committee.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
And you don't even seem to care.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
But I know you do. I know your heart, Senator Grassley,
this is wrong. I know the kind of person you are,
and you know this is wrong. There's no this is
not necessary. What is another half an hour to allow
senators to be heard?

Speaker 7 (05:16):
It's what the.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Constitution mandates is the ideals of the United States Senate,
the world's most deliberative body, should take a decent amount
of time to deliberate.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
But here we're not doing that.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Here we are jamming this through with some sense of
false urgency. It's one thing not to hear from whistleblowers.
It's another thing not to pull another here, but to
not even allow my colleagues to have their moment to
speak against this justice.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's just wrong.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
And I know you know this.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I know you know this.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
The only time this rule has ever been overturned by
both parties was done when one minority was trying to
pull some stunt to stop the committee from hearing.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
This is not that, this is not the two hour rule.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
This is a basic element of the ideals of this committee, sir.
It is the basic understanding of having debate and deliberation.
It's a basic understanding of we can listen to each
other even if we disagree. That we should have time
and space and a forum to listen.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
Sir.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
This is just wrong in every way. It is wrong
in every single way. This is an abuse of power.
It's an undermining of the well being and the integrity
of this Senate and this committee that I for so
long I have been so honored to be a part of.
This is wrong, sir, and I joined with my colleagues

(06:39):
in leaving.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is a shame road.

Speaker 9 (06:41):
This is wrong.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
We'll report better than this. Prap to the floor. Now
we'll have.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
My panel, Totonla hay Is, georgeow University is School of
Foreign Service, Doctor Grey Carr, Department of Back for American Studies,
Howard University. Recent COVID hosts of the recent COVID shows
some radio. This is real simple for me, Racy, listen,
you walked out. Okay, let's just ReCl Republicans don't give
a damn about the rules.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
They're not gonna play by the rules. I keep trying
to explain to people this.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Democrats can yell and scream, oh go right, this is
you know, they're the rules. When they get power, they
don't care. So here's the question, Democrats, how are you
gonna penalize them? Those Democrats that walked out. Are they
gonna say, you know what, guess what? No nomination has
moved forward, no appointments move forward. I'm putting the whole
say anything. Tommy Towerville did same thing. Rand Paul did

(07:32):
say a thing they do. How are you going to
use the rules to say, you know what, I'm gonna
slow everything down in the US Senate. It's gonna come
to a screeching halt. That's all I want to know. Okay,
I don't want to hear another damn speech. I appreciate
what sending the Corey book grad to say, and that's fine.
But we know exactly why they didn't want Democrats to talk.

(07:53):
We know they didn't want them ripping into email bowl.
We know they didn't want them showing how grossly unqualified
and this man is. And don't be shocked if Trump
trust to put him on the Supreme Court. But the
bottom line is this here, Senate Democrats, you have to
make them pay, and you must make them pay every
single day.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Reci you know, you talk.

Speaker 10 (08:15):
About democrats, and you talk about Senate Democrats, they can't
bust the great like that was ridiculous. Senator Karbooker, how
are you complimenting them in the middle of protesting.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh, you're a good man.

Speaker 10 (08:27):
I know you care, not the fuck they don't, and
they're not good people. And I wish that they would stop.

Speaker 11 (08:31):
This my friend, my friend bullshit and just rip into them.

Speaker 10 (08:35):
I don't know how you walk out, but you give
a whole speech that's trying to appeal to their better angels, which.

Speaker 12 (08:40):
They're big ass demons.

Speaker 10 (08:43):
So I feel like, you know, the other people have
the right idea by just walking out, go ahead and
finish your speech outside instead of dignifying that. And the
last thing I'll say is listen, I don't think that
Democratic voters really give a damn about rules like that,
not as much as Senate Democrats or even House Democrats do.
What Democrats care about is results, and they're tired of

(09:06):
constantly hearing excuses as to why the rules prevent them
from getting results. Then when Republicans get in, they say
they hell with all that shit, and they ran through
their agenda. And so, you know, as much as I
would like to to give grace to Senator Cory Booker,
that is a prime example of why Democrats lose. That's
a prime example of why people are dissatisfied with the

(09:27):
non fighting spirit of Democrats. And that's a prime example
of how we are bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I'm just sitting here, and look, if you're gonna sit
you're gonna sit there. You should have just called them
each by name. You should have you should have sat
there and said shame on you gradually, Shame on you,
Linsey Graham, Shame on you, John Cornyan, same shame on you,
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Josh Holly shouldn't name all of them,

(09:57):
and you should have said, I'm.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Telling your right now.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm coming after every single one of y'all, and I'm
gonna shut everything down.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
If you're not going to retaliate, Nola, all you're doing
is just flapping your gums, Nola, if you don't hit
that damn mute button. We go through this every single week.

(10:27):
How the hell your computer says on off, on off
is a slash in the mic, It's.

Speaker 13 (10:36):
A not Wait, this was my fault this time.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It was my fault.

Speaker 13 (10:41):
Last time it was I take that out. But as
I was saying, thank you, bo, as you.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Were saying with nobody knows what the hell you were saying, well,
let me get.

Speaker 13 (10:53):
To it, sir, thank you. Okay. So I saw two things.
I saw a man's heart, heartbreaking for the statesmanship for
something that he clearly cares a great deal about. That's
one thing that I saw. And then another thing that
I saw was a strategy that does not work appealing
to their better natures. You know, it's people that have

(11:15):
access to the heel rolling. You know this everybody here
knows this. What happens performatively is not necessarily what happens
behind the scenes. So my thing is, Okay, if you're
going to use strategy appealing to his better nature, I
want you to call out that moment when y'all had
that conversation about what was said in private, if that's
going to be the strategy that you're going to use,
because just appealing to him about I know that you're

(11:38):
better than this. You know you know that this is wrong.
Why does he know that is wrong? Tell us specifically
what you are talking about, because this particular plan of attack,
it just makes Senator Booker look like, you know, he's
he's not understanding the assignment. And I know very well
he understands the assignment. But mostly what I heard, and

(12:00):
I'm not going to sit here and lie. I heard
someone's heartbreaking for the complete breakdown of the democratic system,
and it is heartbreaking. You know, I've dedicated my life studying,
you know, political science. This is my life, this is
my world.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
So I get it.

Speaker 13 (12:16):
But Ceresi's point, what we need right now. We need gunslingers,
you know. And I understand Senator Booker's hesitancy and trying
to hold on to that statesmanship. But that ship has
long sailed.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Okay, they are appointing a shameful, despicable person in email Bold.
They don't care Greg and so this all this statesment.
They don't care about collegiality, You don't care about the rules.
Their whole deal was, Hey, we want that thought on
a federal bench. We don't want you guys ripping into
him because we don't want to playing on television.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
So we're just gonna shut you up.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
They showed you who they are.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So guess what you nowaday, I am going to make
you pay. I am going to bring this sucker to
a halt. You shut it down. But no, they just
threaten and when, of course, when they got in the power,
they don't do it.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh no, our colleagues, you know we do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Hell no, I have long been saying you have to
make them pay.

Speaker 14 (13:20):
Yes, sir, you're right, and you're right. Of course they can't.
God bless Corey Booker.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
He won't. He's a decent human being.

Speaker 14 (13:27):
Chuck Grassey, on the other hand, a hard white nationalist
who is I think his last birthday was one hundred
and fifty thousand years old, who is being episcerated in
his home state of Iowa at the town halls, who
doesn't appear to know where he is most of the time,
but who is functioning very efficiently as a tool of
open white nationalism. Of course he's going to ignore Corey Booker.

(13:50):
They can't stop this right now. Emil Bova is a
particularly nasty piece of work, a failure as a lawyer,
who has been put in place exactly for the reason
that you mentioned earlier, which is ultimately to be advanced
to the Supreme Court in the United States, which is
where the real fight will be. The names you listed
Rowland on the US Senate Committee on Theesiary, if there's

(14:14):
a parallel at all. It's not perfect, but it's close enough.
It's house oversight. So you've got you know, Crow Magnum, Maryagerie,
Taylor Green, You've got, of course Jasmin Crockett. Well that
canapart is the Judiciary Committee. Everyone you name is a
hard white nationalist. You know, Lindsey Graham, the completely supple,
soft compliant Lindsey Graham, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, hardcore white nationalist,

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young Josh Hawley, who is now of this feckless man
trying to claw back some of the medicaid he voted
to take away. Now he wants to bring it back.
Tom Tillis, who straight ass quit rather than face his
Lord and Master Jesus Trump. John Kennedy, the fake fog
horn leghorn out of Louisiana, Marshall Blackburn, that nasty piece
of work out of Tennessee, Eric Schmidt, a straight fascist

(15:02):
ideologue out of Missouri, Katie Britt whose stupidity is only
surpassed by her colleague, mister Kurtz Tuberville out of Alabama,
and Ashley Moody, Young Ashley Moody out of Florida.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Their job is to be.

Speaker 14 (15:15):
The hardcore white nationalist intellectuals tip of the spear when
it comes to the invstiation of the judiciary. They had
one job, and one job only, which they achieved to day,
which is getting mill Bouvay, the man who let Eric
Adams off the hook in New York, the man who
lost every damn case he's been in defending Trump, including
the one in New York to mil Bobay's job is
to get on the Supreme Court. Donald Trump's job is

(15:36):
to put him there and Donald Trump. It ain't his idea.
This is all about hardcourt white nationalist.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
How do you stop it? You get your ass out, check.

Speaker 14 (15:45):
Your registration and vote to break their political backs because
Bove is gonna be on the third Circuit, and once
he's on the third Circuit, the real show will be
when they bring him back and nominate him for the
Supreme Court. Because if you don't think those phone calls
haven't been made to send me the bull Alito and
mister r V mister Holy owned subsidiary of billionaires, Clarence
black face white nationalist Thomas, then you're not paying attention.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
That will be where the fight will be. And you
can stop him.

Speaker 14 (16:10):
Dead in his tracks then, but that's going to require
a little voting, voting in the next election, the midterm election.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
These people are thugs.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
They do not care and you have to penalize them.
You must eviscerate them, you must go after them. And
I'm telling you right now this is real simple. Dick Durbin,
do you have the guts, Amy Klobashar, do you have
the guts?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Sheldon white House, do you have the guts? Corey Booker,
do you have the guts?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I can go on and on on and name every
single Democrat on this committee. But the question is, do
you have the fight in you? Senator Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I don't want to see another lame bullshit speed on
the floor. I want to know, are you going to pay?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I want to know is a Democrat go to go
to the floor and say, I'm shutting this shit down.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm putting a.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Hole on every single confirmation, every single nomination.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm gonna make y'all.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I'm gonna make y'all have to go through every procedure
to get anything passed. Do you mean to tell me
there's not one Senate Democrat that has the guts to
do that. Brian Schatz, where you at, Jilly Brandon, where
you at, Warnock, where you at, also Brooks, where you're at?

(17:48):
These people sat here and said, nah, y'all ain't even talking.
Y'all ain't even speaking. I'm shutting it down.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Booker. You can sit over there and talk. Go on,
keep calling the road. We don't give a damn that
they g over there talking, keep calling the row.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
That's literally what they did. And if they allowed this
to move forward, yeah no, no, no, no, no no.
See this is why people are saying, listen, weakness is
going on here. Black Pack has a new poll out
we're gonna talk about a little bit later that shows
that black folks are ripping Trump and they ain't got

(18:24):
no confidence that Democrats got.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Any fight in him.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
What does Deon saying and say, He said, I want
I'm recruiting the folks that got some dog in them.
They ain't got no dog. They ain't trying to swing
at all. They are opted.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, no, nobody, no, I know you, I know your heart.
Are you a good man? You're great? Love it?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I know your heart?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know this is not right?

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And old ass Grass is like, yeah, yeah, keep calling
them names.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, uh huh, I ain't listening. His ass him may nothing,
him may nothing, him may nothing.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
And they all said that. They all said, looked at him, like,
look at his ass. You keep talking, they like you
ever got the votes, Keep talking, keep running your mouth.
The only way you stop people is when you make
them pay.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Who does Cory Booker think wants that that? Who does
he like, You're giving a whole grand speech about oh,
I know your heart, I know you a good man?
Who do you think wants that? Because none of the
poles are saying. I know the focus groups aren't saying it.
So I'm just confused as to why he continues this,
this nice guy when that ain't what people are looking
for right now, you know.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So I just I'm just not I'm just not playing
this game with him. And I'm telling you you have
to make them pay.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
And I just want to know.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I just want to know.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Are they gonna say I'm shutting everything down. I'm bringing
it to a screeching halt. If y'all, if y'all ain't
willing to do that, that walk out, that's a wasted
damn time.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Just that didn't mean nothing. I'm gonna go to break
we come back. This is more of the bullshit of Trump.
We told y'all this during the campaign. We told y'all that,
We told y'all demand said, We played y'all what he said.
He said, I Am going to give a cop one
hund percent immunity. Well guess what his prosecutors are saying.

(20:16):
The cop was convicted and brown Taylor's death, he's just
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Speaker 3 (21:22):
All right, folks.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
After five years, the Department of Justice is recommended that
a former police officer in Louisville, Kentucky, who was convicted
of violating Brilla Taylor's civil rights when she was shot
and killed by cops in twenty twenty, served us one
day in jail.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
One day.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Brett Hankerson, a former Louisville officer, was found guilty last
year on one account of depriving Taylor versus civil rights
after firing multiple shots through a bedroom window.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
During a boxed police raid.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
He proposed one day's sentence would amount to time server
beaning Hankerson would not return to jail.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Spent ten months in jail.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Taylor's death became a flashpoint for the Black Lives Matter
movement and one of several high profile cases that ignited
nations you want to protest against police violence in twenty twenty. Now, again,
he wasn't convicted of murder, and keep in mind you
at on juries.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Then of course this took place on the federal level.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well his what's so crazy about this that none of
the prosecutors, none of the career prosecutors, signed this deal.
This is one of Trump's appointees that did so. Because
it goes to show you what we already said. They
want to let cops off. They want to let them off.
This is what they do, and it's shameful and despicable.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Joining us right now. One of the one of the
family attorneys for.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
The Bridge Taylor family, Elena Baker, a managing partner of
Bacon Westbrook.

Speaker 16 (22:53):
How you doing, But I've been better, I'll say that,
But today's been a rough day.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Absolutely, So again say time served, So how many months
has this officer been in jail.

Speaker 17 (23:13):
He's not been in jail for any months.

Speaker 16 (23:16):
He has only served The one day is when he
went to get booked, posted his bind did the paperwork,
and got out.

Speaker 17 (23:24):
So he's only been in jail, probably less than two hours.
And that's what the part.

Speaker 18 (23:32):
To be.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
So when the prosecutor say time served, what the hell
does that mean.

Speaker 17 (23:39):
Those few hours that he did, that's it.

Speaker 16 (23:41):
It's a slap in the face to the work that
the career prosecutors have done. You know, I do want
to acknowledge and commend Kristen Clark, the prior Assistant Attorney General,
and her career prosecutors Mike Songer and Anna Gotfried, who
worked very hard to get the convictions of this conviction
of Brett Hankinson two trials because the first was a

(24:04):
hung jury, and then got secured the conviction back in November.
They worked hard. They are not the individuals who signed
this memorandum. They changed prosecutors yesterday, and the prosecutor who
signed this memorandum did not even have the decency, was
such a coward that he could not even talk to
Breonna's family.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So this is also a coward hard meat Dilon.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
She is the person Trump nominated as the Assistant turned
General for Civil Rights. She was the one asking the
judge in this case to send us him to one
day in prison. This is the New York Times story. Actually,
this is what she wrote. She first of all called
this excessive. She called the prosecution excessive.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
In this case, two federal trials were ultimately necessary to
obtain a unanimous verdict of guilt.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
Well, that.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Happens.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
The jury's verdict will almost certainly ensure that the defendant
Hankerson never serves as a law enforcement officer again. Will
also likely ensure that he never legally possesses the firearm again.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh well, excuse the hell out of us.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know, of course he's now a fella, and he
was far from his job five years ago. And she
literally goes, oh, he's paid a substantial penalty for his actions.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
It's horrible.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
He shouldn't be able to have a firearm. He shouldn't
be able to serve as law enforcement. He terrorized the
streets of Lulva, Kentucky for way too long, and he
finally got his just too. And what he is being
sentenced for is volating the civil rights of Breonna Taylor.
They made so many mentions of he did not kill her.
He was not charged with killing her. He was charged
with violating her civil rights. And a jury and all

(25:49):
white jury found that there was sufficient evidence to convict him,
and they did. And what's interesting is, according to the
sentence in report from Probation and Parole, the guidelines, what
he should be facing and what I hope the judge
does sentence him to on Monday is between one hundred
and thirty five months and one hundred and sixty eight months.
I had to get my calculator out divide those by

(26:12):
twelve and we got eleven and a half years. To
fourteen years is what he should be looking at. But
here you have prosecutors playing politics and asking for one day.
And I just hope the judge sees through this and
gives this family the justice that they deserve.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, And actually, when you look at the toll numbers,
he actually faces a maximum centers of life in prison.
I mean, that's what the maximum could be. But you
have sentencing guidelines and the reality is this here, which
you might as well understand, is going to happen. If
this judge ignores Trump's DJ sentences him, we know Trump's
gonna partner. But with that being said, this judge should

(26:54):
still tell Trump's DJ to go to hell.

Speaker 17 (26:58):
Yeah, I agree, and she's if they want to let
him go, they need to do it.

Speaker 16 (27:03):
It is they have put this judge in an unfur
position to say, give him one day to deviate so
drastically from the sentencing guidelines, which that's.

Speaker 17 (27:12):
What this system that's not even meant for us in
the beginning. It's supposed to be.

Speaker 16 (27:16):
You know, they justify the discrepancies in cracking cocaine because
of sentencing guidelines.

Speaker 17 (27:22):
Right, they live by these sentence and guidelines. But here
they want you to deviate.

Speaker 16 (27:27):
So substantially, to go from eleven and a half years
being the minimum and the guidelines to one day.

Speaker 7 (27:34):
They're putting the.

Speaker 17 (27:35):
Judge in a horrible position.

Speaker 16 (27:37):
And if you want to let him out, if Trump's
DOJ wants to let him out, it needs to be
Trump that does that, not this judge.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's that's the reality of what
we're dealing with. We talk about what happens in so
many of these cases, and it's absolutely frustrating when it happens.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, I look at another case.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Former Philadelphia police officer Mark Dill, who failely shout a
person was released on parole after he was sentenced.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
He got, you know the dude, I.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Mean against same thing. What happened in that particular case
that they're like, well, you know, my partner said he
had a.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Gun, but he didn't.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Mistakes happen, the guy ends up dead, and it's kind
of like what this guy served ten months in prison
for voluntary manslaughter and now he walks out. I mean this,
but and this is what goes to show what people
were fighting about. This also says what happens in this
country where you have what these folks on the right,
they do not believe cops should pay any price for

(28:45):
what took place. So whether it is Hankerson, whether it
is Mark dal they don't care. They want to let
people off. And you know what for all of these
black folks who were sitting here talking all that crap,
people like doctor Umar Johnson who was saying that, oh,
Trump and Kamala they're the same. Do you actually think

(29:08):
President Kamala Harrison's DJ will be recommending one.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Day in jail for Brett Hankinson.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
And it's absolutely true, and it's one of the you know,
you said, you warned the people.

Speaker 16 (29:20):
I warned the people. I said, we cannot afford to
have a Trump DOJ. Everything that we fought for.

Speaker 17 (29:27):
From twenty twenty through now the consent decree that's been
overturned or the DOJ said we're not about buying jee
just do away with it.

Speaker 16 (29:36):
And now here we have this conviction that was secured,
so much work that was done by the Civil Rights
Division during the Baton administration that people were just willing
to throw away because they didn't like, you know, policies
all the way around. And this is what happens when
we get so focused on one issue, those things that

(29:57):
we've been fighting about get thrown to this and criminal
justice holding the police accountable that that Kristen Clark's Civil
Rights Division did just that, and this DOJ is now
doing everything that they can to undo everything that she
works so hard to secure and to protect black and

(30:19):
brown people.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Absolutely, and it's sad, it's despicable, and people just need
to understand that when we spent so much time talking
about the importance of voting. And then you had all
of these idiots tangibles, tangibles, what are tangibles?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, guess what, christ and Clark being.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
The head of the Civil Rights Division, Department Justice, that
was a damn tangible getting these convictions amar Rbury, Brenna Taylor,
some of these that was a damn tangible. But those
same people are silent as hell right now. They are
real silent right now about stuff like this. They're real
sence about Trump getting rid of the consent decrees.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
They're real silent about all.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
These actions that they're taking that are anti black. But
these are so called hotel black conscious folk. That's what
they claim to be. But they're silent right now. And
then they say, oh, well, y'all would just y'all were
just saying that stuff because well, we didn't think it

(31:24):
was gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, guess what.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
And we're only six months in. We still got three
and a half more years of this absolute idiot being
in the.

Speaker 17 (31:34):
White House, and we've not figured out how to fight it.

Speaker 16 (31:38):
Not saying we, but people have not figured out how
to fight What are we doing to combat this attack
on black and brown people?

Speaker 17 (31:46):
It's strong he's doing exactly what he said he would do, and.

Speaker 16 (31:52):
Dems are sitting on their hands trying to figure out
what do we do and it's like fight back, fight back.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yep, absolutely, Alida Baker, We'll appreciate it. Please give Brion
Taylor's mother our regards.

Speaker 17 (32:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
To my panel, Greg. I mean we walk We walked
through this every single day. See, and that was a
that was a drop off of black go to participation.
And then you had a whole bunch of loud, ignorant,
dumb ass black people who were sitting here on social media,

(32:32):
on YouTube, running their miles. Don't vote tangibles. If they
don't give us this, we ain't voting. Or now, we
survived slavery, we can We survived the last four years
of Trump.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
We can survive four more years. Well, these idiots don't.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Understand is that Emil Bowl nomination. Oh they are relishing pudding,
putting klansmen, white supremacists on the Supreme Court. Oh, they
can't wait to replace Alito in Clarence Thomas with a
forty five or forty eight year old federal judge who

(33:10):
is going to be so hard right that they're gonna
be that they so far right, they'll be damn near left.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
These folks, they want to shut it all down.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I have consistently said, they want to defund Black America.
They want to strip everything when it comes to civil rights,
they want to strip economic rights.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
They want it all.

Speaker 7 (33:32):
They absolutely do.

Speaker 14 (33:34):
And I confess to you know, I said consistently, I
confess to having a bit of I'm enthusiastic.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
I won't I won't call it you for it.

Speaker 14 (33:44):
Yet, those of my friends who are well studied as
our friend jeral Horn calls them our friends on the left,
whose basic argument for saying that we live in to
do I believe in voting doesn't matter in those contexts
that this has get worse before it's get better, it
gets better. Well, that's the theory that we're in down.

(34:05):
They're absolutely clan. They're absolutely clan Harmet Dillon. Another nasty
piece of work hitding the Civil Rights Division, her little friend,
her in House council who push this forward, their clan adjacent.
And I think that I agree with those who would

(34:28):
argue that this is all part of a larger strategy,
which is to try to force us into the street
and confrontation. This is what deploying the Marines in California
is about. This is what these nasty provocations are about. Now,
I'm not really enthusiastic about beating up on the Democrats,

(34:48):
and I'll tell you why.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
Because they seem to believe that this is a country, and.

Speaker 14 (34:54):
People get a little irritated when I say it's not
a nation, it's a state with a lot of different
nations in it. The illusion that the United States of America,
that you people who live here are a people constituted people.
Someone please show me somewhere in the history where that's true.
And I'm willing to rethink about what I'm thinking, but
I haven't seen it yet, not that I will see it.

(35:17):
People who seem to think that somehow white supremacy can
be overcome by finding common ground. You don't understand white supremacy.
You really don't. That's why the people are saying, Maggie
is fighting itself. No blood costs blood, blood answers there.
Trump may not be the superman they had hoped him
to be, but they're always going to pick him right
or wrong with a six year old sitting in his

(35:37):
lap over you. So don't try to appeal any logic.
What we're seeing here is a provocation. They know exactly
what they're doing, expecting a judge to rule differently. I
think there are two ways that can cut. Finally, if
this judge does say no, I'm going to give them
substantially more time, it could extend the possibility that the
rule of law could kick in.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
But that also so extends the illusion, the delusion.

Speaker 14 (36:03):
Somehow that African people have in this country that there
is a solutionists going to allow them to sit on
the sidelines. Alternatively, if the judge takes the recommendation, and
this is indeed what happens, and make no mistake exactly
what you said, Trump's gonna partner them.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
He'll be back on law enforcement somewhere.

Speaker 14 (36:18):
And if the he's not on law enforcement, he'll be
on somebody's private security detail, maybe Stephen Miller or somebody
or you know. Don't worry, they're going to take care
of Brett Ankuss and that nasty little piece of work.
But either way, we're going to have to fight. That
is what our ancestors did a day after Ida B.
Wells's birthday yesterday. We've got to fight, and that fighting

(36:38):
isn't just in the ballot box. That fighting may end
up being in the street, but this confrontation is going
to be unavoidable. The United States of America is going
to fall apart. They are now pressing the gas pedal
and im pressing the gas pedal. They're going to realize
that the rest of us may try to play nice,
but once this facade falls, the conference is gonna leave

(37:01):
in its wake.

Speaker 7 (37:01):
A very different country than we live in.

Speaker 14 (37:04):
And those of you who think that I'm talking big enough,
you don't know enough history to even have this argument
with me. I'm very clear about what's happening now. So
I kind of have a little bit of an enthusiasm
because it was gonna come to this one day either way, you.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Know, racy, and I've seen this in other group chats.
Folst like, oh that they're trying to bat us, to
trying to bat.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Us, but you know what, whether folks want to only
it or not.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
When the Latinos fought back against Ice, oh, people responded, see,
I we know he wants to invoke the Insurrection Act.
We know this, but they also are counting on people
being afraid. They're counting on people being too scared. And

(38:02):
if there was ever a moment where they have to
be met with massive protests.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
This is that moment. But it cannot be gathering just
for the hell of it.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
It has to be not well, we're gonna be in
this city of this city, We're gonna have this protest. No, No,
it has to be a strategic protest that is around voting. See,
you've got major elections in New Orleans in the fall,
You've got the Virginia House and Senate race. You have

(38:36):
to make them pay politically, and so you must be
utilizing protests that first of all, mobilizes people. Then once
you mobilize them, you organize them, and now you direct
them to a certain thing. But these people cannot believe
that they have a free license to do what they're doing.

Speaker 12 (39:00):
And they do have a free license to do what
they're doing.

Speaker 10 (39:03):
Debate was November fifth, the fuck they were literally put
out a nine hundred page document that said they were
going to do all the shit that they're doing. Projects
one of twenty five dot observer says there's sixty one
percent complete with their DJ objectives, one of which being
undoing the cossent decrease. That related to Breonna Taylor, that
related to George Floyd, and the Maud Aubrey and Tyree

(39:25):
Nick was down in Memphis, so they already know they
can do exactly what the fuck they're doing, because who're
gonna check up?

Speaker 12 (39:31):
They pulled our punk card in.

Speaker 10 (39:32):
November and at a nine million people stayed home. Donald
Trump ran on giving police officers community. He said the
same shit in front of you, Roland and atbj Oh,
the one with the walk. He never backed down off it.
He never lied about what he planned to do. He
said it was going to be open season on black
people when he got in. One of the first things

(39:54):
that he did was part of the officer in DC
who killed who killed a black person. His DJ has
been letting comps who have been convicted of crimes out
of jail off the hook.

Speaker 12 (40:06):
This is another example of it.

Speaker 10 (40:08):
Republicans have been saying forever that your black life doesn't matter.
Brehanna pet Taylor was twenty six years old when she
would when her house was raided based off of a
faulty warrant, faulty surveillance shot into like guns of the
navarone and this DOJ under Trump has.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
Said that her life is worth one day. That's it.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That's the trade off.

Speaker 10 (40:32):
Between sixty plus years being taken off her life and
the life of a white cop one day, a minor.

Speaker 12 (40:39):
Inconvenience for him.

Speaker 10 (40:41):
But this is who they told us, who they are,
This is who they told us, stay with what they
were going to do, and.

Speaker 12 (40:48):
We allowed it to have been.

Speaker 10 (40:50):
Along with MAGA who voted for it enthusiastically, along with
people who stayed home, we had the capacity to say, hell, no,
we're not going back. That was kind i'mna lis slogan,
We're not going back, and what do we do? We
had lower turnout and lower support for Kamala Harrison even
Hillary Clinton got and I heard super Prawder's a million

(41:10):
time when Hillary Clinton was running and yea, Kamla Harris
got less votes. So they know that they can do
what they're doing. I don't think it's a provocation. It
is a y'all, I ain't gonna do shit. And they
might just be fucking right.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
You know, when you sent elections out, you get what
you get. And for the people who go, oh my god,
I didn't think it was gonna go this far. I
mean again, you can't say they didn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
They said it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
We warned people, A yeah, yeah, y'all chilling, y'all. Yeah,
y'all know who y'all know who y'all are. Y'all know
if I had to do a roll call all them
simple Simon Negroes, Yeah yeah, if I had to, oh,
don't get me started, I could run the tables on

(42:12):
Vicky Dillon, Boyce Watkins, Tarika Na Sheeed, Umar Johnson, Phillip Scott.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh yeah, black authority, all y'all all, y'all all, y'all.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
All looking down, They chilling, They looking down, They chilling
for the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
They just chilled, they chilled. Yeah, look at y'all. Just shit.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
But asked Brenda Taylor, Mama how she feel today? Asked
Tamika Mallory and the folks until freedom, who literally moved
to Louisville fighting five years trying to make this thing happen.
Folks who invested time and energy, got.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
COVID, folks was sick and all that sort of stuff.
But we listened to a whole bunch of folk.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Nola, Yeah, y'all just shitlling y'all out, Yeah, y'all, partner
and Kamala Shane doing nothing, Shane Wayne.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Backing her with Oh, they were all running their mouths.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
But it's amazing how silent they are today.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
They ain't saying nothing, Nola about Trump screwing those black
folks in Lowndes County who got SEWAs backing up in
their houses. They ain't saying nothing about the black folks
in Cancer Alley where they canceled the lawsuit who've been
dying because of the petrochemical companies there. They ain't saying
nothing about the black folks who got screwed for voting
rights and housing rights in Texas. Oh, they ain't saying

(43:41):
nothing about them. They ain't saying a damn thing about
them wanting to get rid of the DBE federal program.
They ain't saying nothing about any of this stuff. They
ain't saying Jack and Oh. These are the same folks
who love talking about fight.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Were gonna have the topic coming up next.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
They ain't saying nothing.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
How under a Democrat appointee on the FCC change the
damn law.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
When it came to how.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Many how many folks were getting overcharged for making phone
calls in prison, Republicans got in and say, no, no,
we're throwing that out.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
We're just gonna discuss that next.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Oh, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Uh nola what no tangibles?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah all y'all FBA b one ados assholes will guess
what all that complaining y'all did. Welcome to Trump Maga America.
I hope y'all are having a great time. No, we'll
go ahead before I go to break.

Speaker 13 (44:42):
You know, I have the same ignorance is seductive, and
there has always existed in our community, this kind of
contrarian nature for the sake of being contrarian, for the
sake of, you know, being performative, for the sake of
making a point that isn't really there. But I'm interested
in pragmatism. I'm interested in voting for policies that make

(45:05):
my life better and that make the lives better to
people that I care about. And for whatever reason, those
folks who are seduced by, you know, this facade that
Trump Republicans, that MAGA folks are open and welcome, they
welcome you in. I've heard this several times, and I'm like,

(45:27):
wait a minute. So the same group of people who
welcome who welcome people in during the campaign, and then
those same people are on social media saying, oh, look,
I went to this event or look, I'm in this
group chat and they're treating me bad. They're calling me names,
they're calling me out of my name. So it's just
so many very interesting variables. When you think about the

(45:49):
black folks who decided that voting for Trump or not
voting at all would be the same as a there's
a level of conditioning that's happening in many different parts
of of the internet in conversations, in group chats that
frankly that a lot of liberal progressives, whatever you want
to call democrats, all the things were just not dialed into.

(46:12):
I was out of dinner just a few weeks ago
and they're you know, these different gatherings of folks in
foreign policy, and the glazeover is still there because people
are just now starting to realize that we were existing
in a bubble. Well when I'm being generous when I
say we, as a black woman, I don't have you know,

(46:33):
I can't exist in the bubble. I have to clear
eyed every single day. But they really were existing in
this bubble of progress when all this other stuff was
happening in the country. And that's what that's what I'm
interested in. I'm interested in what are we missing now?

(46:54):
I mean, we're so busy dealing with all the shenanigans
every single day from the Trump administration, But what do
we miss now those same folks rolling that you're talking about,
that are being quiet, What are they doing though? You know,
are they still plugged into this?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
This my grifting?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
They grifting, They grifting, They grifting. What they're doing grifting,
which which is what they were doing, which is what
they were doing before.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
And I love, I love.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
The Negroes were like, yeah, we need to be support
we need to be supporting black owned businesses and foods
were losing contracts left and right.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
See see again, I ain't.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Got time for him. I ain't got time for him.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
And that's why because normally ignore these fools. But again, though,
it's amazing quiet they are, and they.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Do for self, do for self, or do for self,
or do for self.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Somebody sent me, somebody sent me a video or that
little food from Georgia I had on somebody posted they
were all looking at this young brother, you know, he
was eating rolling marked up and I'm like, y'all fools,
ain't realize y'all got played. He came on the show
back supporting that food, supporting the Republicans of voter suppression
in Georgia. He was at the Trump White House dancing

(48:07):
at the Black History Month program. At black program, He's
sitting here supporting Brian Kemp over Stacy Abrams, and he
was hollering about, yeah, we don't need no government help.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yet he was trying to get up school building for
his school from the government, the school district there.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
But again the simple Simon Negros failed for the okie
do not even realizing he was mack of the entire time.
And we have to understand that there are some gullible
black people who fall for folk who come to us,
who yell do for self, who don't give a damn
about our community, but they fronting.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
But then you got the people who loved running their
miles talking about.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Trying to shame somebody. Yeah, you this, and you that,
and you a shield, and you supporting Kamala and you
a Democrat. Well let's see here. If I got a
white supremacist who is going to employ a white supremacist
like Steven Miller, and who says to me, I want

(49:11):
to give cops one hundred percent immunity, I want to
shut down all civil rights programs. I want to shut
down all affirmative action programs.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
If that's on this side.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
And on this side, I got a black woman who
talked about Oh all, y'all, Negro, She says she wasn't
going to do nothing specific for black people.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
What did he say he was going to do specific
for black people?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
But we got a black woman over here who fought
for record amounts of money for black contracts through the SBA, HPCU,
funding Black Maternal Health off and a host of others.
But then, y'all, simple Simon Negro said she wasn't black enough.
Oh but we know he white enough and orange, but

(50:10):
she wasn't black enough. So if you think that's the
choice I had between.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
That fool and her, you god damn white, I was
going with her.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I would be a stupid fool to say I'm a
side with the white supremacists against my people.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Man, y'all got me.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Confused her policy? Hm, real quick, come on, I gott.

Speaker 13 (50:43):
I wanted to say specifically wanting to help caregivers. Okay
about her wanting to health caregivers. That affects black people.
All these folks who think that magically you're not going
to age your parents are going to age one day,
and that helped that black lady wanted to give y'all.
Y'all gonna be wishing for trust and believe that's all

(51:04):
I have to say.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Mm hmmmm, all right, we're gonna go to a break
and the next subject we talk about, y'all has a
disproportionate impact on black people and black families and black finance.
Oh but all of the pseudo super conscious negroes quiet,

(51:31):
matter of fact, we shouldn't be Hogland. Where are fans
that we should be saying? What are conscious negroes? At
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Speaker 14 (52:15):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Call, we
look at one of the most influential and prominent Black Americans.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Of the twentieth century.

Speaker 14 (52:23):
His work literally changed the word among other things, he
played a major role in creating.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
The United Nations. He was the first African American and
first person of color.

Speaker 14 (52:34):
To win the Nobel Peace Prize, and yet today he
is hardly a household name.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
We're talking, of course, about Ralph J.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Bunch.

Speaker 14 (52:44):
A new book refers to him as the absolutely indispensable man.

Speaker 19 (52:49):
His lifelong interest and passion in racial justice, specifically in
the form of colonialism, and he saw his work as
an act as an advocate for the black community here
in the United States as just the other side of
the coin of his work trying to roll back European

(53:09):
Empire and Africa.

Speaker 14 (53:11):
Author cal Rostialla will join us to share his incredible story.

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Speaker 1 (55:00):
It was a major deal when the Federal Communications Commission
capped the cost of prison phone calls that happened when
Democrats had a majority of the FCC. Well, Republicans are
now in charge, you know what. They said, We're gonna
go in postpone that at least for a couple of years.
So let's keep allowing these companies to make all this money.

(55:24):
Meyon Clyburn was the FCC commissioner who pushed this in
a serious way. Took a lot of effort to get
this pass. She joined us right now, and this gott
to piss you off. All that hard work, and not
just the hard work. People don't understand how families are
being utterly ripped off by these prison phone calls.

Speaker 21 (55:48):
Me on Roling first, it's good to be here, it's
good to see you, but not for this reason.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
You're absolutely right. We thought we had done it all.

Speaker 21 (56:01):
We thought we had checked every box, every complaint people
had about the FCC not having jurisdiction because it's a
vetereral agency and we have no right to tell the
state jails and prisons what to charge.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
What did we do.

Speaker 21 (56:18):
We lobbied and lobbied in a legal way for an agency,
and others got out there and went to Congress and said,
please pass a bill.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Guess what.

Speaker 21 (56:30):
Congress passed a bill. And not only did they pass
a bill, it didn't give the FCC forever and a
day to come up with a series of rules and
regulations to rectify this wrong. It said you have up
to two years to do so. So April one, these

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rates went into effect.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
And well, well, and majan, what happened here was a
small I'm reading from the prison policy Initiative. I'm gonna
pull us up in the second show, folks. A small
group of sheriffs complain about this, and they got the
FCC to do this, and the FCC chairs bringing the

(57:20):
car who voted with y'all, all this.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
He voted.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
To put into place. He concurred.

Speaker 21 (57:29):
In part, he did mention he had some concerns, but
yes he did vote for this direction, and yes, you
are absolutely right. Almost out of nowhere, he said, we
have issues. They're security concerns. There are issues that honestly rolling,
each and every step we took addressed all of the

(57:51):
issues that the complaint. The people who are complaining now,
mostly those who have an economic stake in this, are
bringing to before and I just, honestly, I was quiet
for a number of a couple of weeks because I
was just so devastated over this decision. We did everything

(58:14):
by the book. We did cartwheels to ensure that we
had jurisdiction. We had an open process that took almost
two years to let every single person have an opportunity
to weigh in, including the sheriffs, including these companies, and
we struck a balance just as about as perfect as
it could get to have raised as low as six

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cents a minute to ensure that they weren't bringing in
all of these fantom I called them unjust and unreasonable charges.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
On top of that, because keep in mind, some of
these companies.

Speaker 21 (58:48):
Who providing these services aren't just providing services for telephone.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
They're doing the commissaries and the like, and on and
on and on.

Speaker 21 (58:57):
We're seeing this economic exploitation at for one moment, for
less than a couple of months, we thought we were
in the driver's seat, and here we are someone who
is defying Congress. Congress passes laws, not the FCC. But
this person said he's going to put his thumb on

(59:20):
the time piece and said we up to two years.
We're going to look at and address the issues that
we've been looking at and addressing for more than twenty years, Roland.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
So here's what's crazy to me. And again I'm having
issues with my ipasser.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I can't pull this up, but it says that in
large part the move is a response to a small
group of Shares we have lashed out in reaction to
its twenty.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Twenty four order. Maybe do it now here we go.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Before before the order, companies have been able to offer
commissions but listen, commissions and other kickbacks to agencies they
partnered with, which drove up the prices of phone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Calls for consumers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
The twenty twenty four order barred companies from offering almost
all kickbacks and commissions. In retaliation, a handful of Shares,
most notably the sheriff of Baxter County, Arkansas, have said
they will no longer offer phone calls at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So basically, this shaff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Says, Oh, if I can't get kickbacks for the high
phone calls, damn y'all, y'all cain't call anybody.

Speaker 21 (01:00:42):
And not only that, what's going on these phone calls
have literally been the lifeline because you know what also
is happening in some of these jurisdictions, Families cannot go
and visit. You think you can spend your Sunday afternoon
going and visiting some of these commutees. Some of these
places are barring that. So the only means of seeing

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or hearing from your family.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Member is either through a video call which this was
going to cap.

Speaker 21 (01:01:08):
Because it happened before as or a standard telephone call
usually collect Now the people who are paying a price
are mostly either those persons who are representing them, meaning
the lawyers, mostly their families. And what had been happening
with as rapes got more just and more reasonable over

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the past few years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
This is not our first rodeo when it comes to this.
You saw usage rise. When people can afford to do something,
they do it, and so you saw more people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
May y'all, make y'all, make y'all, and may y'all hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You say usage rise. Let's show people why this is.
Again from the Prison Policy Institute. These are the numbers, okay,
the all phone rate caps prison fourteen cents a minute,
Large jails one thousand plus sixteen cents, Medium jails three
fifty to nine ninety nine twenty one cents, Small jails

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one hundred, three hundred and forty nine twenty one cents,
very small jails twenty one cents.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
So you see right there, small jails they were charging.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Twenty one cents a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
The new phone rates were at six, seven, nine and
twelve cents. The new video rate caps were sixteen cents, eleven,
twelve cents, fourteen cents, twenty five cents.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
And so here's the reality.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
People don't so what this means is that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Your loved one, you got somebody who's in prison. So
under if they were being charged fourteen cents in the
old rates, now they're being charged six cents.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That means Vignon, they can now call home twice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
As often exactly because it's now six cents if I
make two calls, but now it's six cents a minute
versus fourteen CENTI a minute. And then small jails it
was twenty one cent a minute. Then it goes down
to me, it goes down to seven cents or nine
cents or twelve cents, depending up on the jail.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
And what we have is this is greed. This is sheriffs,
this is local jails.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
They were making a killing off of this, and this
is another tax on the families who have loved ones who.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Are locked up in jail. And this is Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
This is a Republican appointed FCC chair in Brendan Carr,
who made this decision.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And as you said, Congress passed the law.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
So I don't understand how on the hell can Congress
pass the law and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Mandate right here the effective date was April first, and
he goes, oh, the hell of Congress, y'all, I gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Let the hell with the law. I'm gonna tell y'all,
we don't have to now impose this. This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
I have never seen anything like it.

Speaker 21 (01:04:08):
When I sat on that bench with my colleagues, mostly
from the other side of the host, you know what
they would say to me, I don't tell.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Congress what to do. Congress tells me what to do. Well,
Congress spoke, and guess what they're not doing what Congress
said to do. And I really do not understand this.

Speaker 21 (01:04:32):
It boggles my mind. The same people I sat next
to who said, we are to follow the law law,
not make the law. We are to interpret it strictly
in the way in a manner in which it was presented.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
And now you say we have problems with some security concerns.
We have this concern. We get great complaints. Yes, you're
going to.

Speaker 21 (01:04:53):
Get complaints because the structure that everybody benefited from. When
I say everybody, I mean the facilities as well as
the providers that is being short circuited. They are getting
rid of those site commissions.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
You know, I'm being nice when I say site commissions.
And now since they can't they don't have their profit
sharing model. Now there's a problem. All of a sudden,
there's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
So I want to show this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I'll hold up minya and y'all. I want to show
people that what you're talking about. This is from a
previous story in the Prison Policy Institute.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Y'all watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
The FCC's order takes the momentous step of prohibiting companies
from paying most kickbacks or in the industries. At FCC's
terminology quote site commissions to contracting agencies. Commissions, if we
have written before, are a major factor driving up the
costs of prison and jail telecom services. Counties and states

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choose their telecomer based on which one will offer the
highest commission payments, and companies offset the cost of paying these.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Kickbacks by raising their rates.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
The new rules appear to restrict site commissions in all
of their many forms, including quote, donations of free technology
or other gifts to the facilities.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
So basically, these.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Telecoms were saying, Hey, we're gonna kick some money back
to y'all. Y'all pick us, y'all pick us, don't worry
about it. We're gonna make them inmates and their families
pay more.

Speaker 21 (01:06:35):
Roland when we were growing up and hearing about government contracts,
and some of your listeners will will firm, especially those
in business.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
You know, who got the contract the lowest bidder.

Speaker 21 (01:06:47):
That is what we were accustomed to because you were
supposed to be looking out for our moneys.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
That is clearly not happening here. The lowest bidder loses,
and what is I mean? That means families lose.

Speaker 21 (01:07:03):
You're talking about conservatively two point seven million children who
have at least one parent inconcerated who cannot afford to
speak with them.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
You're talking about you know, seventy you know, to.

Speaker 21 (01:07:18):
Seventy plus thousand people coming out of jails and prisons
each year, and they go home as strangers because during
the course of their sentence they could not afford to speak.
This is a problem that is bankrupting families. It is

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tearing families apart. You as any teacher, he or she
can almost tell you whose parent is incarcerated by the
behavior of the child. This is causing incredibly, terrible, horrific
ripple effects in our communities can afford to keep up

(01:08:01):
their homes and you see urban blight. People act like
they don't know that these cost shifts, these things are
sucking out the economic viability of our communities. This is
what a glaring example. And to me, this is the
biggest case of regulatory malpractice I have ever seen it.

(01:08:24):
I cannot call it anything but regulatory malpractice.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
You take an oath, So but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
So before serve, so before I behold up, before before.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I go to my panel, hold up for my panel.
I want to people show this here before you make
that point them and go to my panel. So this
is from the Prisonphone Justice dot Org. I need you
try to understand when when young is talking about kickbacks,
I need your to understand that this is the money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
So this is a chart here, This is a this
is from.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
This is this is Welcome to the prison Phone Justice
website maintained by the Human Rights Defense center.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Y'all watch this here? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Can I scroll down here? So Federal Bureau Prisons no kickbacks.
Cost of a fifteen minute called is three dollars and
seventy five cents. Alabama, this is kickbacks paid by families.
Alabama three point nine million, Alaska one point one million,
Arizona eight point two million, Arkansas two point five million,

(01:09:27):
California and Colorado no kickbacks. Connecticut five million. Look at
that Connecticut. Cost of a fifteen minute called four dollars
and eighty seven cents. Florida five point one Georgia eight million,
Hawaii two hundred thousand, Idaho eight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Hundred and forty nine thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
No kickbacks in Illinois, Indiana one point six million, Iowa
six hundred and seventy seven thousand, Louisiana three million, Main
three hundred and sixty seven thousand, Massachusetts two point three
Michigan nine million dollars, Mississippi forty two thousand, Minnesota six
hundred twenty five thousand, Missouri, mon Tanne.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Look at the about of five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
North Carolina seven point six million dollars, Oregon three million,
Tennessee four million, Texas six point seven six million, Utah
a million, Vermont Virginia three point seven million, Washington State
three point eight million. Those numbers are astounding, Manyon and Roland.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Let me just say this, and I don't mean this wholeheartedly.

Speaker 21 (01:10:29):
If those kickbags slash cycle committee commissions were going to
the benefit one hundred percent of the benefit of those incarcerated,
I might be a little softer, but we need to
follow the money. And there's an examples after examples of

(01:10:51):
a motorcycle here, something else there that does not benefit
those who are incarcerated. So look, we've got a broken
system that the last administration attempted to finally fix. Now,
it took the FCC more than a decade to even

(01:11:11):
move and act. Keep that in mind, the FCC was
not fast moving under any administration to do this, but.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
We finally did.

Speaker 21 (01:11:20):
It took a number of years, a number of tries,
a number of court decisions that did not work in
our favor, but we were not going to stop.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
And even when I left the FCC, I was not
going to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:11:33):
I am upset, as you can tell right now, but
I am not going to stop. This is a wrongheaded
decision by my former.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Colleague, and we are going to.

Speaker 21 (01:11:46):
Be out there voicing our opinions and supporting the direction
in which this agency should have continued, and hopefully he
will get the message and what we're send his pause
on justice for those least likely to be able to

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speak and to stay connected with their families.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Noah, I'm going to you first check this out on
going back to my iPad, Henry, this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
This is a story talks about New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It says thirty minute phone call costs dollar twenty cents,
a video call cost nine ninety five and in New
Jersey they even charged them thirty five cents per page
to send an email.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Nolah, that's crazy, It's insane.

Speaker 13 (01:12:35):
And you know, this administration is notorious for punishing poor people,
you know, people that aren't very very wealthy. As this
Epstein stuff keeps rolling out, keeps rolling out, and it's
watching this this this article tonight and the Wall Street
Journal if this, you know, bears out this, this kind

(01:12:55):
of communication that Trump was happening between Epstein ragging about
having everything, and you know, what do you do in
life when you have absolutely everything? These people live in
a world that has nothing to do with reality in
real life, and Honestly, I'm at the point where I
believe that this is kind of like they're entertainment that
punishing people that are impoverished, punishing people that need a

(01:13:20):
little extra help. You know, that seems to be their
form of entertainment, just like lynchings when people would gather
with their families and it would stand around the tree,
take photos, take mementos. It really does feel like that.
And you are charging people in prison who are already
being punished, and then you're not only punishing them, you're

(01:13:41):
also punishing their families even further. So this kind of
like rule by punishment. This is the part of it
that I dislike the most. The most vulnerable are being
the most harmed, which of course we all knew, and
yes we all try to tell folks, but here we are,
and the thing for me is what can be done.

(01:14:04):
You know, we're seeing Republicans already trying to play, you know,
play tricks with voting in twenty twenty six. What happens
if that stands? What recourse do we have?

Speaker 18 (01:14:18):
Then?

Speaker 21 (01:14:21):
I'm curious about if you can hear me about chev
Bron You've got I'm not an attorney, so that's Chebron
decision that bears some mention.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
How can the FCC do this under that domintrine? You
know that was you know overturnedy.

Speaker 21 (01:14:38):
Tell me, how can the agency make the decision to
pause like it just did unilaterally?

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
I don't understand that. Do the rules apply differently? You
can answer that better than me.

Speaker 13 (01:14:55):
It's it's beyond reading and that's the.

Speaker 12 (01:14:57):
Part of it mission of clamorant work. I'm curious, can
you hear me? Okay, yeah, curious.

Speaker 10 (01:15:09):
You know, we have a huge problem in this country
with recidivism, and you know, obviously, depriving people of outside
contact during their service, I during their prison term, I
would assume increases they're likely to recidivate. Do you have
any information on that aspect? And how ultimately by penalizing

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families who have to pay for these calls and penalizing inmates,
were actually increasing the likelihood of people to return to prison.

Speaker 21 (01:15:38):
You're absolutely right. I can get you more specific, but
let me give you an example. I was up in
New York a few years ago and I was going
to speak with a number of those incarcerated about what
and where they are and how much this meant to them.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
To be in touch.

Speaker 21 (01:15:58):
One person did not, uh, did not want to speak
with me because some privilegers, you know, were denied that day.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
But I got a chance to say of one or
two things to him, and this is what he said,
and this was confirmed.

Speaker 21 (01:16:14):
By those who were responsible for guarding them. They can
tell a difference when they're is family contact. Not only
can they tell a difference and they see a difference
and their behavior inside.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
It's the children and the others on the outside who
have that.

Speaker 21 (01:16:32):
Reinforcement that I love you that they cannot afford and
will not be able to afford to do with this pause.
That might be another two years if the courts are
not more friendly. And so yes, the answer is yes.
Anyone in a facility will tell you when they when
when those incarcerated are in touch with their loved ones,

(01:16:54):
they can tell the difference that that that hands down.
That is not the issue here. The issue here is greed.
The issue is insensitivity. The issue is not caring about
those on the other side of the economic and political aisle.
It is a shame and again, people like you are

(01:17:14):
not going to stop until we get justice.

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
Greg.

Speaker 14 (01:17:20):
Greg, thank you Roland, and thank you Assistant Commissioner, Sister Cliburn,
you said earlier we should follow the money, and we
know that SECURESTS, the prison phone communications company, along with GTL,
controls more than seventy percent of the market for prison calls.

(01:17:41):
And that's a company owned now by the owner of
Detroit Pistons, Tom Gores, whose whose wife contributed money to
RFK Jr. To his to his to his campaign when
he was running for president. My question has to do
with how far you think this goes in terms of
a broader ideological.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
Project.

Speaker 14 (01:18:03):
I say that because your former colleague, and I use
that word very loosely. Brendan Carr, of course, wrote chapter
twenty eight of this document, Project twenty twenty five on
the Federal Communications Commission, and telegraphed that he is exactly
the type of ideolog that we expect would work with
Russell Vote to destroy the federal government, to unify power

(01:18:25):
in the executive and to unleash the very type of
unbridled capitalism that we see at play now. Do you
think he was playing in y'all's faces? And do you
think that this, along with enriching folks like Gores and others,
has been the strategy all along? And at this point,
what do you think we should and can do to

(01:18:45):
combat what seems to be a long range ideological plan.

Speaker 21 (01:18:49):
I will say that the people I know that I
served with in the past are very transparent.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
No surprise, ziz here.

Speaker 21 (01:19:00):
Disappointment, yes, but no surprises. Look, we talked about following
the money. We talked about following the influencers.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
That is the issue here. There are too many people
who are quiet.

Speaker 21 (01:19:13):
Because they look at whatever infraction that was committed or
whatever happened to land that person behind bars, and not
the rest of it. And so the insensitivity on that
and the greed on the other side, and the influence,
yes by a very concentrated as you mentioned, industry that

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not only is exploitive, but it doesn't allow for competition.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
There are a couple of people who look.

Speaker 21 (01:19:45):
Like us who have been trying to offer different alternatives
at different price points. Yes, what they've had a heck
of a time breaking in why because of these exclusive arrangements.
So exclusivity, honestly profit sharing on the backs of those
who can afford it the most. And of course the
influence that most people who are a fan, who are

(01:20:08):
related to and who are incarcerated don't have as permitted
and allowed and able this uncomfortable storm to keep ruined
for almost, you know, thirty years.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
So again, what we can do is go state by state, county.

Speaker 21 (01:20:24):
By county, because those jurisdictions can make changes. And so
while we might have a hiccup or pause here, that
does not stop other states who have not reformed to
do so.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
And we should press on them where we live to.

Speaker 21 (01:20:41):
Make sure that their races are just and reasonable, and
where they are not, we should be advocates close to home,
pushing for those sheriffs and others to be reasonable, to
be just, and to be compassionate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
All right, then, min young Clive Burne, we appreciate it
can kill the fight.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Thank you, Good to see you.

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Well, now, Donald Trump is being doing all he can
to tamp down all of this talk about Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Guess what, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal is really about to fan
the flames.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Check this out. This is what's on their home page
right now. Exclusive.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him body letters for a fiftieth
birthday album. One was from Donald Trump. The lover bound
book was compiled by Julaine Maxwell. The president says the
letter is a fake thing. Now when you see according
to the Wall Street Journal story, it says that it

(01:22:40):
was a hand drawn letter of a nicked woman and
Trump was caught. You know, he was really upset when
they published this and so and then his name is underneath,
and he's just really upset me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
He threatened to even soothe them. Ain't that something? So
let me go ahead right here. This is what they
say says. The letter ban Trump's name, which was reviewed
by the journal is body.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Like others in the album, it contained several lines of
typewritten text, framed by the outline of a naked woman,
which appears to be hand drawn with the heavy marker.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
A pair of small arts denotes the woman's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Breast, and the future president's signature is a squickly Donnald
below her waist, mimicking petercare The letter concludes heavy Birthday,
and may every day be another wonderful secret. In an
interview with the journal on Tuesday evening, Trump denied writing
the letter or drawing the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
This is not me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
This is a fake thing. It's a fake Wall Street
Journal story. I never wrote a picture in my life.
I don't draw pictures of women. It's not my language,
it's not my words. He told the journal he was
preparing to follow a lawsuit if it published an article.
I'm gonna sue the Wall Street Journal, just like I
sue everyone else. He said, Well, damn, Recie, is that

(01:23:58):
why his ankles are so swallowed?

Speaker 10 (01:24:03):
He I don't know what the hell going on. He
tried to say, some sumon or another I never heard of.
You know, the skeletons is spilling out of the closet.
This is republican or republican maga crime, because Wall Street
Journal is definitely not the kind of place that you
would tend to see these kinds of attacks on Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:24:23):
One.

Speaker 12 (01:24:23):
But Donald Trump has long been a degenerate.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
He has been a.

Speaker 10 (01:24:28):
Sexual I won't say devian, I ain't trying to get suit,
but he has expressed behavior and committed I mean, and
been convicted of behavior related to his sexual activities, consensual
or not. And so I don't know that this even
necessarily moves the needle with the maga crow because they

(01:24:49):
like the fact that they have a person in Donald Trump,
or in Pete Hegseth, or in others who have blatant
disregard for women, for sexual norms, consent, and who have
filthy and nothing but adoration for rich and powerful man.

Speaker 12 (01:25:07):
And so this is actually on brand for Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 (01:25:10):
I don't even know why he's denying it, because it's
part of the brand that put him in the Oval office.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I don't understand, Nola, why Donald big ankles Trump is
so mad.

Speaker 13 (01:25:31):
The ankles alone, it looks painful, that looks painful, and alone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Matter of fact, matter of fact, if we go, if
we go, they kept talking about they kept talking about
Biden and Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Who's in better shape?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I mean, I mean, I take Joe this, Joe, Biden's
ankles on top, the Trump's ankles on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Touched the brown.

Speaker 13 (01:25:55):
And he can touch the ground. Listen, go ahead. You
know this kind of whatever, this rehab that Christian nationalist
tried to do for Donald Trump. And he's very aware
of who his constituents are. Even though he's basically cussing
him out right now, calling him stupid and foolish, he's

(01:26:17):
very well aware of of who his constituency is, right,
and he understands that this, of all things, that his
base is chomping at the bit around this issue. So
it's not like he necessarily cares about being perceived as
a ladies man. I mean, you know, he came up

(01:26:38):
in a time where you know, that was legitimized, and
that's who you wanted to be portrayed as. Right, But
now he understands, oh wait a minute, wait a minute,
this is what's going to crack the cult. This is
going to put the crack in the gult. So he's
trying to do everything that he can to disassociate, you know,
like he does. I mean, he could be paling around

(01:26:58):
with somebody for years and talk about I don't know
that in person, Sorry to that man, I don't know you.
He's famous for doing that, But he can't do that
here because he made campaign promises, many of which he
has not kept. But this is the one thing that
Maga seems to be really really interested in, and so
he's going to do everything in this power because the

(01:27:20):
one thing he also knows is that twenty six is
coming up and things haven't necessarily gone to plan. So
this is the one issue that he's going to spend
an ordering amount of time trying to backpedal his way
out of. But this doesn't seem to be going away
like the rest of the stuff, you know, like with
his little ear and the ketch up of blood whatever
that was supposed to be. Like the other stuff that

(01:27:41):
just disappears and go away, this does not seem to
be disappearing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Well, it's not going away, Greg, because Maga is the
one that fanned the flames.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Look at this here, Look at Charlie Kruk. This shouldn't
know how Trump talks at all. I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Nah, that's y'all freaky diggy, swollen ankles food. We know
he was paling around with Jeffery Epstein. But see they
can't handle it. See they kept talking about Bill Clinton
every about Nah is all boy, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
That's not mind. I don't write that, I don't draw it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Hey, guess what, Greg, Wall Street Journal is owned by
Rupert Murdoch. They basically said, dog, we got the goods,
go ahead and try to sue us. Don ahead trying
to sue us? And guess what Trump had threatened all
they Greg, he don't want that deposition.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
No, no, And you know it really is an intriguing
moment for all kinds of reasons.

Speaker 14 (01:28:45):
As we are talking here, I don't know what the
state of Donald Trump's health is. I don't know what
his ankles look like or his wrists. I will, however,
take as an arm faith in every word that comes
out of his mouth as a full faced lie. So
I don't know what his health said. It says plus
peak heel and musking them have an insurance policy. In
the Mancherian Candidate Junior Varsity vans, the question is can

(01:29:08):
they advance their agenda without their signing pen Donald Trump.
Trump is the reason that these white nationals who have
been engaged in a sixty year project to capture the
federal gunment and beat us back after all those years
of black liberation struggle. Trump is their useful idiot. They're
convenient for They're convenient too. The question is can they

(01:29:28):
continue the agenda? As you say, all this stuff is distraction?
Russell Vote is running the playbook. Rec laid it out
a minute ago. That tracker, that Project twenty twenty five tracker.
They are moving forward steam ahead. All this is distraction.
Now if Trump dissolves over this, and not because everybody
will stop backing him, because again, and I think I

(01:29:49):
agree with Mike Harriet who was writing on his website
countrymand Camp today. You know, if you think white people
simply going to abandon Trump because he lied, then you
don't understand white people.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
They know he's a liar. Now there's that, But here's
the question.

Speaker 14 (01:30:05):
If there are enough in that handful in the MAGA formation,
the ones who thought that Hillary Clinton was feasting on
babies on Connecticut Avenue at the pizza shop next to
Politics Appros, if there are enough of them to stay
at home during the midterms. See it's what Steve Ban's
afraid of. He's saying, we could lose forty seats in
the federal legislature. We could use to lose the election
in twenty twenty eight. He's absolutely right. You don't need everybody,

(01:30:26):
you just need a few. But we know, and you
you've talked about of this last week. Trump has been
calling these quant unquote influencers and saying to them, y'all
need to chill, and they haven't responded yet. Alex Jones,
of course, broadcasting from his car while he praised that
this Sandy Hook thing will go away, little face Charlie

(01:30:49):
Kirk and all them, Candice Owns, who's basically looking for
anybody she can shake down for three dollars. They haven't
fallen in line yet. The real question we have, finally
in all of this is whether or not this will
be enough in an idiocracy like the United States of
America that pays no attention to policy and really just
does engage in spectacle to undermine their signing pen there too.

(01:31:13):
And if it is, this might be the opening we
need to take advantage of this because I.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
Don't trust corporate news entertainment media at all. This about
a maga war. Maga war.

Speaker 14 (01:31:22):
Know, these white people are in lockstep. The only question
is you're gonna shave up and offer enough of the
crazies for us to have a little bit of an
opening to bust their ass politically in the midterms. That's
what we need to be focused on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Now, y'all, Greg mentioned Trump's hands. They won't explain this.
I don't know what the hell that is. I mean,
he got jacked up hands, his ankles are swollen. Uh,
they try to come out and today wall you know,
he's been treated, He's in perfect health.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Everything is great. Yeah, them big.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Ass ankles ain't perfect health. I don't know what you're
talking about, but yeah, this is gonna be real interesting.

Speaker 13 (01:32:14):
Oh y'all going to Hell.

Speaker 12 (01:32:17):
I'm just sad, no, no fact, very happy to go.

Speaker 7 (01:32:23):
If Hell is with it, that's just fast, I said.
If Hell is with him, well first, just fine.

Speaker 14 (01:32:29):
As Elija Muhammad said, we're worried about hell after death.

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
The hell is on earth. Were already in hell. We
ain't got to go nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Hey, look what I can't wait?

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
What happened to young Dan? I came Negroes away.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Oh yeah, he can't raise no money. He can't raise
no money. I don't know what's going. Yeah, he can't
raise ain't raised no money, he can't. They love that
that they Doe told him. I don't want your black
ass gone gone. Move along alone, move alone? So yeah,
move along.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
So I just listen. I you know, it is what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
He is talking about ears. Excuse me them foods in
Arkansas critical race theory. On Wednesday, federal appeals court handed
Arkansas the green light to enforce its classroom ban on
teachings about systemic racism and inequality. Yeah, y'all, just the
same state when they had a little right nine. The
Agh Circuit rule that students and the families can't force
schools to teach if the state wants silence.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Declan curriculum is up to politicians, not the courts. This
decision overturns the lower courts move that blocked the band.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Arkansas's Attorney general is already touting it as a win
for voters, but student advocates war this ruling opens the
door to more government censorship in classrooms, shutting down honest
conversations about race in the history.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
You know, you know, it's it's it's such a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Trip that Arkansas wants to spend all of his time
talking about out stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Here, I saw this tweet. Hold on, I think that's
from Jamail Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
She was responded to that fool with Sarah Huckebye because
Sarah was just so just so excited about by this ruling.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Let's see if I can find it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
She was like, mmm, like, girlfriend, while you getting all
excited when you look at the illiteracy rates in uh
in Arkansas And that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
That just cracks me up the most.

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
The Lord have mercer. They killed me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Like y'all y'all hollering about systemic racism, critical race theory.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I mean literally, you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Are at the bottom of education stats in America. Y'all
got some other stuff y'all might want to be focused on.

Speaker 13 (01:34:46):
You know what's always been interesting to me about this argument.
You know, I went to U sal A. Rondergrad, one
of the homes of critical race theory and critical race
theory for legal education, for higher education. Education is definitely
at the college level, and I'm very curious what these

(01:35:08):
folks are actually calling critical race theory. Is it anything
about black people? Is it anything about black history.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, critical Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
That's literally no nola. That's literally noa noa no lo.
Christopher Ruffo literally said that. He literally said it in
a tweet. Their strategy was that if anything that comes
up that's black, that's brown or whatever, they wanted to
associate it with critical race theory.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
And that's why it will.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
They attack Critical race Theory twenty twenty two, woke In
twenty twenty three, d I twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
So their whole deal is all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
It's critical race theory.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
You're trying to explain that this is a legal theory.
They don't care. Basically, their whole deal is, now that's
the negros. Now they can't use the N word, they
can't go there. But they're like all that crink rece theory,
that's it. Oh, the contracts, crink right theory, end up
up No no, oh, fellowships, critk right theory, hold up

(01:36:09):
internship criner race theory. So the strategy is that's it.
That's all they want to do. They want to scared white.

Speaker 13 (01:36:16):
People, right. So here's my rejoinder. Have we not caught
on yet? Do we not have a counter to this
because you just laid out the different you just laid
out of You just laid out a timeline, you know,
crt D.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
But that is the counter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
But white folks don't want to deal with it. White
media doesn't want to deal with this. That's my whole book,
White here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
I literally had a black anchor on national television hit
me and say, Roland, I would love to have you
on my show, but my white producers don't like your title.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
And my response was, you know, I talk about those
same white producer was in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
This is the whole point I have been personally emailing
a couple of white, white hosts on mainstream television.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
They don't want to touch it. They don't want to
call a thing a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
They don't want to say it's all designed to hype
up white people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
It's no, it's it's it's other things. It's it's other,
it's other, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
So the reason it hasn't been properly addressed is because
white media does not want to talk about it because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
It's also them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Mh yeah, that's why it's a bundanly clear reece is
abundanly clear. They don't want to deal with it. This
is about whiteness and they don't even want to use
the word white.

Speaker 12 (01:37:50):
Well here's the thing, Okay, Arkansas, y'all won. Now what's
your prize? Brokie?

Speaker 10 (01:37:56):
Right, y'all got child labor at and now y'all still
gonna lose all kind of medicaid expansion, All kind of
people are gonna be kicked off with food stamps, and
snap after school program is gonna be cut, all kinds
of infrastructure gonna be cut.

Speaker 12 (01:38:11):
So so what show white people don't have to learn
about black people?

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Prize?

Speaker 10 (01:38:15):
How is y'all life better? They rounded up immigrants transit
but this band d idd and you're still broke and
you're still white and you still mad?

Speaker 12 (01:38:25):
Congratulations Greg Right?

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
Yeah, you know, okay, we just passed the anniversary of
the Scopes monkey trial. If y'all had to go see
and hear the win to play, you know, Williams Jennings,
Brian Jennings, Brian versus Clarence Darrow in the courtroom all
over whether you should teach creationism or evolution in schools
in Tennessee. These are theocrats there, they are, They are theologians.

(01:38:58):
They're hardcore Christian. I don't call him Christian. They're hardcore
religious extremists. Slow Eyde Sarah Huckaby whose fascist crystal fascist
father was visiting bb net and Yah Who's trial in Israel.

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
Yesterday, he says, they have yeah, slow eyde, you know,
the eyes kind of slow.

Speaker 14 (01:39:18):
It's sloe kind of you know, looking another way, Hunker saying,
as we call her, she is in ar Kansas.

Speaker 7 (01:39:28):
These politically and intellectually inbred fools.

Speaker 14 (01:39:31):
Could have had a literal rocket scientist, Christopher Jones as
the governor.

Speaker 7 (01:39:36):
They picked Hu.

Speaker 14 (01:39:37):
Saying because they are religious, inbred ideologues. They believe that
God made heaven and earth in seven literal days. They
believe that they're supporting Israel because they're waiting for the
armageddon to come followed by the rapture, and they believe
that ish. So my point is this critical race theory,

(01:39:58):
which as you said, Roland and you and I'm saying,
they can't spell, not even given three letters CRT, which
is basically saying the N word. Before that it was diverse,
D and d e I it all means the same thing,
the N word. They want to and again following the
money in this BS bill they passed. They just got
billions of dollars so they can take their children away

(01:40:20):
from being next to your children and teach them that
God made the world in seven days or six days,
really interested on the seventh to be pre technical about
and all the other foolishness. I'm sorry if anybody's offended,
deal with it, because you're dealing with ideologues and white
supremacists who are going to pursue their agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:40:40):
The solution to this is what we're doing right now
is Blackstar Network is it's moving forward with self determining
platforms that are very clear, poor clean glasses of water
and have us in real dialogue that will allow us
to act collectively. This as we hear News today is
reported in a variety that See Yes is shutting down

(01:41:02):
Stephen Colbert's show in May, and now they shakey worried
about John Stewart after they wouldn't give Roy Wood the
job at Comedy Central. Why follow the money? Sky Dance
Media is slated to acquired paramount and the guy David
Ellison who leads sky Dance is infatuated. It appears with
Donald Trump. These ideologues have megaphones and they continue to

(01:41:25):
curate the electorate they need by propagandizing them, and in
Arkansas it's inbred Christian nationalists.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
Our solution is.

Speaker 14 (01:41:35):
To have our own platforms where we continue to have
work like this and roll over these people like the sea,
stop trying to talk with them because they are worried
about something completely different than what you worried about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
And see, here's the thing to understand the state of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
When I saw this clip, this is Bill Mark talking
to John Legozamo. Okay, that's right, says all you understand
how even so cold, so cold liberal white people like
Bill Maar.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Just listening to a bullshit say is he a racist
or not?

Speaker 7 (01:42:14):
He's an eighty year old are soon to be.

Speaker 14 (01:42:17):
A year away from an eighty year old guy whose
father was a virulent race.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Oh yeah, and he marched with the KKK.

Speaker 8 (01:42:24):
His father was arrested, his father was it was definitely
a racist, and his grandfather was a pimp.

Speaker 7 (01:42:28):
Like of the times, Like the people are a product
of their times, he is a product of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
But some of us overcome our time. Ye exactly, that
is absolutely he That is true and fair to say,
but he's.

Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
Not on the level of racism that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:44):
Miller is No, nobody's at the level of Stephen Miller's racism,
and who's the architect of all this mass deportation? Grew
up here in Santa Monica with Latinos, and I guess
they bullied him. And he's got a chip on his
shoulder over that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
See his wife.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Cracked up with, Oh, he's a product of his times.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
I'm sorry there are no non racist when Trump was born.
I mean, I loved it when they say the same
thing about the period of slavery in the country. I mean,
I'm sorry, do anybody remembers who this guy is? I mean,
I don't know, you know, maybe, but I'm just kind

(01:43:24):
of saying, you know, this guy right here name is
John Brown. I guess I guess he wasn't a product
of his time. I guess greg that were no white abolitionists.
I guess there were no members of churches who said

(01:43:47):
this thing is wrong. I guess there were no white
people who met in the office of William Trotter's The
Guardian in Boston when they created the Niagara, a movement
which actually led to the creation of the NAACP. I
guess those white people were not living in the same

(01:44:09):
time as Trump's dad. So to Bill Maher, no, no, no,
we can excuse the racism because you know he's a
man of his time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:44:22):
Well, Bill Maher has been a soft white nationalist. It's funny,
isn't it, Roland. It's funny, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
Y'all?

Speaker 14 (01:44:27):
How when these folk and I give Donald Trump this,
Absolutely he has an eye for the type of.

Speaker 7 (01:44:37):
Visual you need to rally your troops.

Speaker 14 (01:44:40):
The people he has curated around him absolutely came from
central casting. If you're talking about a hillbilly ward, as
Bill Maher ages, he looks more and more like his politics.
He should be sitting somewhere on a couch on a
veranda in Miami Beach with unvarnished racism coming out of
his because he's a soft white necklace and he's always been.

(01:45:02):
As his sunglasses are getting a little darker, at some point,
the N word will be used a lot more freely.
And John Leguizana Leguizamo, who has had politics that have
been decent at some point, but at other points, you know,
his kind of white adjacent LATINX identity has allowed him
access into the periphery of things.

Speaker 7 (01:45:20):
It's quite.

Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
It's quite to be expected that they would dance around
the issue. But ain't nobody gonna deal with what you're
dealing with wrong? Which is why you had to build
your own network. John Brown was in Kansas. In Arkansas,
they had something called Arsenic was that that was Arkansas Snick, which.

Speaker 7 (01:45:37):
Had wife folk in it.

Speaker 14 (01:45:38):
They fly in the face of the very type of
solidarity politics that prevailed in the Civil rights movement that
said we're gonna put working class interest together. That led
to the rise of the Rainbow Coalition, whether you want
to call it with with Fred Hampton and Chicago or
Jesse Jackson and Push in the wake of Operation bread Basket,

(01:45:59):
as you have walked us through countless times.

Speaker 7 (01:46:02):
But ultimately it all comes down to this.

Speaker 14 (01:46:04):
Bill Mars still has a show on HBO with increasingly
fewer viewers.

Speaker 7 (01:46:09):
You get rid of Colbert, you might get rid of John.

Speaker 14 (01:46:12):
Stewart, but guess what more people right now are watching
Gill's Arena, watching basketball talking shows.

Speaker 7 (01:46:21):
Steven A.

Speaker 14 (01:46:21):
Smithton signed another eleven dy trillion dollar contract with Sirius
while he's vomiting all over the airwaves, and in all
of that noise, you got a few people punching you
got you punching black Star Network.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
You got what.

Speaker 14 (01:46:37):
Tiffany crossing them are doing with their podcast got Pi
what is it Native Native lamppod. You got people trying
to put together tours like what they did with this
kind of going around the country and it's listening to her,
uh this for the People Power Tour and with this
close to linking up.

Speaker 7 (01:46:55):
But you know what the metronome has been in all
of this, It's been a Black Star Network.

Speaker 14 (01:47:01):
This is the one that comes on day after day,
week after week, month after month, year after year at
this point, and we have to punch through this noise
at this point because if we don't punch through this noise,
people are gonna be watching basketball podcasts and YouTube while
these people are stealing everything off your body and leaving
you button neck it in the street, stretching your head
talking about what happened next.

Speaker 7 (01:47:22):
But the ID logs are clear.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
We have to be clear.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
We just got to continue to remain focused.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
I love this here is this cracks me up? Noah, No,
you have to go You can comment on this and
then go ahead and about you know, Oh, he was
a man of his time. Fred Trump, Donald Trump's dad
was born in nineteen o five. This this white guy
I'm about to show right now, he was born.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
In nineteen eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
His name is Hubert Humphrey born same time Noah had
to go. I appreciate that Racy born sat born at
the same time, but civil rights believer, significant advocate, So
I love this. He was a product of this time,
as if there were no white folks then who were

(01:48:14):
not violent racist And who gets to Bill ma all
white people in march with the Klan?

Speaker 10 (01:48:20):
Yay, Well, this is a thing where people like to do,
where they like to normalize and sanitize white nationalism and racism.

Speaker 12 (01:48:30):
First of all, it's fuck Bill Maher.

Speaker 10 (01:48:32):
He ain't shit, So of course he's going to side
with Donald Trump because on any given day he's sound
just like him.

Speaker 12 (01:48:40):
So I don't do this thing with white people who.

Speaker 10 (01:48:43):
Try to gaslight you about racism and try to act
like they don't know what it is when they know,
damn well what it is.

Speaker 12 (01:48:48):
You just don't give dowmn.

Speaker 10 (01:48:50):
But instead of saying I don't give it dawn by racism,
you got to shut up there and try to act
like you're educating on your school and people on what
it is,

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Senate Dems Walkout, GOP $9B Aid & NPR/PBS Cuts, Prison Phone Fee Outrage & Wild Tuberville Rant