Shocking Diddy Audio, Trump Eyes Iran Strike, USDA DEI Cuts & Trump Keeps CA Guard Control

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's Friday, June twentieth. I'm Robert Pattillo sitting in for
Roland Martin here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Here's what's coming
up today, streaming live on the Blackstar Network. Explosive courtroom drama,
shocking audio rocks the Diddy trial. I've not listened to
one second of the Diddy Trial, so I'll be learning
this at the same time you are. Legal analyst Candice
Kelly joins us to talk about the Lakes developments inside.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Of the courtroom.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Also, tensions are escalating between Israel and Iran, and we're
going to do a full breakdown on exactly how we
got here and where we can go from here as
Trump considers US military action. We're going to be joined
by natural security expert doctor Nola Hayes, who explained why
we should be concerned about these developments in the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Also, the USDA is.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Cutting nearly one hundred and forty nine million dollars from diversity,
equity and inclusion programs. Who're enjoined by Congress and Johns
and Jackson, my boss. We'll be discussing what's happening next.
In his questioning of the Secretary agriculture, and also the
MAGA fools have lost their minds when it comes to Juneteenth.
Roland literally courted like a fifteen minute segment. And so

(01:19):
Roland has a few words on for the less millenated
people who want to disrespect the holiday. And we also
remember the two lives lost. Uh on behalf halfway through
the legendary half of the legendary R and B group,
Yardborough and people's it's time to bring the funk on
rolland Martin unfiltered streaming live on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Let's go, he says, sell it whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
The fact Fin Everna believes he's right on time and.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Best believe he's knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Lost and used to politics.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
Enter Helen, it's stolen, He's She's real.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
The question, No, he's proven.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
The case has been captivating the nation is the trial
of Sean Puff Daddy p Diddy Combs and New York,
New York Jury and the Daity Trial review text messages
UH Today submitted as evidenced by prosecutors, and the messages
Cassie Ventur told Shawn Combs on May second, twenty seventeen,
I didn't deserve to be beaten by you. That's not love,

(02:57):
that's possession.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And as as a result of that, we also saw
more messages coming through that refers to a well known
videotape assault that occurred in twenty sixteen. Brandon Paul, Combe's
former personal assistant also testified that he was there during
various drug drug fueled incidental combs during his employment. Legal

(03:19):
analyst Candice Kelly joins us to talk about these recent development, turning, Kelly,
how are you doing this evening.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
I'm great, good to see you, Robert.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And thank you so much for joining us. So as
I said, I have not seen one second of this trial.
Catch us up on what's going on.

Speaker 9 (03:36):
Well, you know, listen, the prosecution is coming to a
close of its case. They're actually going to be resting
next week. As you mentioned, there were two witnesses that
took the stand today to really close this out. First
we had Brendan Paul. He took the stand today. He
is full immunity. By the way, he is the former
personal assistant of Sean Colmes, was his personal assistant for
about eighteen months. He made it specifically clear though that

(03:59):
he is not a drug mule. That's what we've been
hearing a lot about Brendan Paul. Many people know his background.
He graduated from Syracuse University. He's on the basketball team.
Obviously a very tall gentleman in court. But one of
the things that he talked about was the fact that
he was arrested for cocaine possession. At the time that
Shawn Colmes was caught in terms of his homes being baited,

(04:22):
he was actually on a private jet with kk many
people know as Christina Koran. She was the chief of
staff for Shawn Combs, and he said that they were
on their way to the Bahamas when he got busted
for cocaine, as he put it.

Speaker 8 (04:37):
He also said a few other things. He said that.

Speaker 9 (04:41):
His job was a lot of hours, maybe eighty hours
a week, that he procured ketamine and stasy adderall for
Shawn Combs. But again he emphasized that he was not
a drug mule, and he also said that he did
not witness criminal activity on these freak So what many
people now know as King Knights also testifying, as you mentioned,

(05:05):
was a Homeland Security agent. This was a man who
took us through more texts, more financial records, hotel reports
that were tied to Combs, he talked about large stacks
of money that would be moved based on the text
asking for ten thousand dollars or thirty five hundred dollars
or we need six hundred dollars right now at this

(05:25):
very instant. And then there was a damage report from
a hotel in London that he testified, and he testified
about how the towels appeared to be soaked in baby oil. Now,
a lot of people have a problem with this whole
baby oil like, who cares?

Speaker 8 (05:40):
Is what a lot of people are asking me.

Speaker 9 (05:42):
If there's baby oil, if there's astroglide, that's his personal preference.

Speaker 8 (05:46):
Well, one of the things that the prosecution is trying
to do is say that.

Speaker 9 (05:50):
Every time that there is baby oil, that this signifies
a forced freak offs, that freak off. This is the
connection that they want the jurors to make. This is
why they mentioned the baby oil so much. It's not
because of his sexual preferences or what he does in
the bedroom. The prosecution is saying, listen, every time you
hear about a lot of baby oil, that means that

(06:11):
was a freakoff. And they also want jurors to associate
that freak off to something being forced. Now, as a
reminder to some people who may not be following the case,
like you there, you know we've been seeing actually in
the gallery, I have not been seeing in anything, but
the jurors have been seeing pictures. But this week they
finally saw what inttality was about twenty minutes of moving

(06:35):
video of these freak offs. And you know, you could
kind of see over the shoulders of Sean Comb's and.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
The attorneys that were involved what was on that.

Speaker 9 (06:45):
And I will say that it was quite a show
and looking at these shreak offs. Now, listen, these streak
offs could work for the prosecution and the defense. The
prosecution wants.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
To make the point that these were forced.

Speaker 9 (06:56):
The defense wants to show that listen, she was in
joining herself and was enthusiastic on these recordings. So this
is something that will be left up to the jury
to decide on defense. I just want to make sure
that I point out that Brendan Paul said he was
not at any freakf so that Shaw Colbs's attorneys wanted
to make sure that that was known that he didn't

(07:17):
see any criminal activity. He couldn't have if there was
any potential criminal activity because he was not at the
freak Offs. They also insinuated that maybe these drugs made
Sean Combs a slight more creative, and it wasn't because
he was running some huge enterprise. And they also brought
up the fact that you know, Brendan really learned from

(07:40):
his experience that he admired Seawan Combs, and this was
something that was a big deal. As I said, next week,
on Monday, the prosecution will rest. The defense has said
that they will only take a couple of days and
that they will be finished with all of their witnesses
by Wednesday, a lot sooner, Robert than a lot of
us had expected.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Well, you know that point. I've done recocases in the past.
We've seen high profile recocases in recent years, whether it's
the YSL trial and Georgia, the Trump reco case. It's
generally seems recently difficult to prove can kind of for
the audience tied together how exactly the evidence presented today
in court ties to the kind of the macro point

(08:20):
the prosecutors are trying to make. Because I've noticed a
lot of the online discourse people not understanding exactly what
this has to do with proving the conspiracy or the
charges that did he is accused of.

Speaker 8 (08:32):
Yeah, and you know, you.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
Make a very good point that a lot of people
don't understand because there's a real disconnection when we think
about Rego. We have been trained by the media and
movies to think about mafia, and people don't think about
Sean Colmbs in that way.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
They don't think that he is the mob.

Speaker 9 (08:47):
But when we talk about Rego, we are talking about
committing two predicate acts, one of them perhaps being arson
or obstruction of justice or perhaps bribery. Or if he
has committed two of those acts over a period of
ten years, then that would lead the jury if they

(09:08):
follow the jury instructions as they should, to say yes,
this Ricot charge should actually stick.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
So that's really the key.

Speaker 9 (09:17):
There's kind of thinking about it outside of Scarface and
Goodfellas and think of it in the way that it
has been used, as you said.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
Over the years.

Speaker 9 (09:26):
I mean, Adidas has found themselves in the middle of
a Rico case. Of course, you know R Kelly, remember
the college admission school scandal. That was a reco case
that crossed state lines with about fifty four defendants. So
the Rico case is used a little bit more than
people probably understand. But the way that we see it

(09:49):
in larger than life is with the mob. Though I
will say this, Robert, that there are many times during
this trial sitting in the gallery where things that are
alleged that Sean Clones has done our very mob like
I mean when we talk about extortion and Regina Ventura,
who is Cassie's mother, saying he demanded twenty thousand dollars

(10:11):
for me, and I went, I took out a second
loan on my home and I gave him that twenty
thousand dollars because he said he would release the tapes.
Or we heard from one of his workers of several
years that he's known for a couple of decades saying
that she was forced into a building, abandoned and.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
Set in the room with a large man who.

Speaker 9 (10:29):
Was chainsmoking and drinking coffee all day and for five
days went through lie detector tests and nobody knew where
she was, and she was threatened that her body would
be found in the East River. So a lot of
these things are very much aligned with what we think
about with the mafia, But we really have to think,
will the jury think that this company all these companies

(10:50):
that Sean had, wasn't in the existence just to kind
of carry out these acts.

Speaker 8 (10:57):
I will say that's a hard one for me to connect.

Speaker 9 (10:59):
To had Sean John he had, you know, the liquor
deals he had, is.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
His music company, of course, he has marketing company, he
had Revolt TV.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
Did all of this exist just for the purposes of
criminal activity?

Speaker 8 (11:13):
That's not one that ties up into a pretty bow.

Speaker 10 (11:15):
Robert.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
And on that point, I think many people, you know,
this is part of what you do when you're trying
to appeal toward jury, making sure that as when you're
presenting the case, that you are ensuring that you're not
getting lost in the weeds. Do you think that maybe
some of this extra information, some of the extra solation's information,
runs the risk of distracting the jury from the point
that you were making. Was this an interstate international criminal enterprise?

(11:40):
Or are they just showing videos to try to embarrass
misir Combs and eliciting testimony to make them look bad.
You can't convict them of being a bad person. You
have to convict them with the actual crimes alleged, right,
And you.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
Know, I think that when they saw this video for
the first time after what we're in our.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Six week now.

Speaker 9 (11:56):
They saw it last week for the first time, the
moving video. They had seen pictures. I mean some of
them rip their headphones off. It was just a lot.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
Is it distracting?

Speaker 9 (12:06):
I think that it's actually good for the defense, and
that everybody has We've heard it so much and we've seen,
you know, pictures of the astroglide, you know, just cases
of it a La Costco, and I think it really
desensitizes jurors. So in terms of the defense, I think
that it works for them, and that they've seen about
it so much and heard about it so much that
it doesn't affect them so much.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Though I will say.

Speaker 9 (12:28):
When that moving video was shown to them, there were
quite a few disturbing looks.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
There were also quite a few very interested.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Vested looks in terms of what was going on on
that video. So I think it could go either side.
But I don't think it's necessarily a distraction. I think
that we've heard about it enough that it's like a
horn on a car alarm that goes off.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
After a while, you can sleep all the horns going off.
You kind of imnew into.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It all right, well before we go tell people what
they need to look out for in the tribe. As
you said, the prosecution may be resting as soon as
early next week. The defense may conclude their case in chief.
What are people going to see over the next week?

Speaker 9 (13:05):
Well, over the next week, we're going to see Monday,
as you said, the prosecution will probably rest, and then
Tuesday and Wednesday we are going to hear from witnesses
from the defense. Obviously, Shawn Colmes is not actually going
to take the witness stand.

Speaker 8 (13:17):
I mean, we'd need a whole week and a half
for that.

Speaker 9 (13:19):
So we know that since they said that they are
only going to need two days, they probably have three
to four witnesses. One of them will definitely be a
forensic psychologist to talk about Shawn Colmes and all of
his shortcomings. Right, we heard about a forensic psychologist on
the prosecution side, and domestic violence and trauma bonding well
on his side. I'm sure that we're going to hear
about him being a drug addict, a sex addict. Being bipolar.

(13:42):
Has also been mentioned during this case that Shawn Colmes
is bipolar. We're going to hear all of that, and
potentially Robert some character witnesses. I'm not sure who this
character witnesses would be to make a difference, but that's
who the door is open to probably at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
All right, well, thank you so much for keeping us updated,
so a lot of people are really keyed in on this,
and support for people to understand, if nothing else, how
exactly these Rico cases work, and understanding that you may
be part of a criminal enterprise that you have no
idea about, so be careful who you're associated with. Thank
you so much for everybody. All Right, we're going to
go to the panel to talk about this well. Michael Imotep,

(14:19):
host of the African History Network show out of Detroit,
Matt Manning, civil rights attorney out of Corpus Christis TEXTI doctor,
Zachary Kirk, educator and kind of creator out of Atlanta, Georgia.
I'm going to go to you, Attorney Manning, first, what
do you think about the testimony and do you think
this actually pushes towards a Rico conviction or a conviction

(14:39):
on the charges that actually exist, or is it just
salacious detail to muddy his name.

Speaker 11 (14:46):
Let me say first, it's a great pleasure to be
on with you, Robert.

Speaker 12 (14:48):
You always doing a fantastic job, and Candace as well,
so I'm glad to see you both. I read the
indictment while you were talking to Candace, and I haven't
listened to any of the testimony, obviously not being there.
But I'm struggling with how the government is going to
make this as well. And let me give you an example.
Roland has a bunch of people working for him. Right
if they go out and they do something, and something
happens while they're out, if somebody's prosecuting, there's gonna be

(15:11):
a question of whether that's done under the aegis of
the Roland Martin Unfiltered Show, or whether it's done with
a group of people who happen to work for Roland Martin.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
That is the issue in this case.

Speaker 12 (15:21):
There are a number of people who work for Diddy,
and the government has the burden solely on their shoulders
to show that all of these activities, these salacious details,
as you're saying, inure back to the Combs Enterprise. And
I think the idea that just because they work for
the Combs Enterprise that creates RICO liability just doesn't track.
I've never tried a recocase I've tried hundreds of cases,

(15:43):
never particularly a reco case. But the way I would
attack this is precisely what my understanding Brian Steele is doing,
which is, look, he may like to partake in drugs,
he may like to do things sexually that are outside
of the norm for you, but whether that correlates to
a conspiracy under this business enterprise to further its purposes
is a difficult thing unless you have a very clear

(16:06):
evidence that it's done for those purposes, and very quickly
before I turn it over to another panelist. I know
the way the government tried to write this indictment was
pretty wide reaching and nebulous to increase his power. I
think is some of the language that it used to
preserve his prestige. But the problem with that is you
may have a reasonable doubt if one of the jurors
believes that that's something that he's doing in an individual

(16:29):
capacity as to Sean Combs's individual from the Comb's enterprise,
and that could be something that people who are employed
for him are helping him do, but not necessarily under
the umbrella of the Comb's enterprise.

Speaker 11 (16:42):
And I think that's going to be the struggle.

Speaker 12 (16:43):
How do you say, this is really the business or
the association that is conspiring to do these things, as
opposed to people with whom he has a close relationship,
who are doing it at his behest, but maybe not
necessarily in the conspiratorial way that is required for necessary
proof under this indictment.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Absolutely, and Michael, I want to talk to you and
kind of talk about the cultural impact of this Diddy
trial because you know, as much as you may not
want to, if you are going to write the history
of hip hop, Sean Diddy Combs is in there for
a big period. You know, if you want to play
You've got a cookout this summer here at the June
teen Barbecue. It's hard to skip over all the r.

(17:22):
Kelly songs, skip over all of the songs involved in
p Diddy. What do you think the cultural impact of
this trial is going to be?

Speaker 13 (17:31):
Well, you know, first of all, kudos to Candice were
giving us this breakdown almost every day for the past
six weeks.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
I don't know how she can stand this.

Speaker 13 (17:41):
But when we look at the cultural implications of this one,
even if Diddy is found not guilty, it's going to
be I don't think his image is really going to
be really going to recover from this because we saw
we saw the abuse in the in the in the

(18:03):
video that was released when he beat Cassie, and he
he put out a video apologizing for it. Also, so
that abuse is substantiated. Two, when we hear about the
freak offs and the uh section, the prostitutes with sexual escorts,

(18:27):
et cetera, things like.

Speaker 11 (18:28):
This, it's one thing too in hip hop.

Speaker 13 (18:33):
Let me put it like this, in hip hop, hip
hop takes everything that's in American culture like to the
extreme right. But what we're finding out about these freak
offs in court, this is beyond the extreme.

Speaker 14 (18:47):
Okay. So uh.

Speaker 13 (18:49):
And then when we talk about valuing black women, valuing
African American women, listening to testimony from Cassie, things that
are finding out things that we're finding out in this trial.
Even if he's found not guilty, I would be suspected

(19:10):
really any black woman that wants to work with Diddy after.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
This, absolutely, and Zachary picking up on that point. I've
been looking at a lot of the cultural conversations that
we're seeing online, particularly with younger people, you know gen
Z who didn't grow up with the music of Ditty
or other things and it seems that there's just a
vibe that has taking place between black men and black
women online when you're discussing this trial, if it seems

(19:36):
if you have any questions about it, if you're a
man talking about it, you automatically get accused of defending Ditty.
And if you're not one hundred percent believing, or if
you have any questions about it, you could call misogynists
and all the other things. What do you think has
to happen for us to be able to have constructive
conversations online when we're discussing something as horrible as the
Ditty trial, but also trying to be objective in our communities.

Speaker 15 (20:00):
We have to understand that the ideas represented by an
individual are the ideas represented by the individual. I don't
speak for all black men, I don't speak for all
black gay men. I speak for myself, doctor Zachary Kirk,
the Z activists, That's who I speak for. And Robert,
you know, I followed this case. You know, this is
kind of the content that I cover on social media.

(20:21):
I focus on people, politics, and pop culture, and this
has really held the pop culture, you know, in a
choke hold, especially among young people. And I think the
divide is even bigger than just simply black men and
black women. But it really is kind of an intergenerational split,
and a lot of young people gen Z, young black
gen Z, members of the black community really see this

(20:41):
in a very negative light. One thing I realized I
was reflecting on this actually on yesterday when I sat
down and read the forty six page i'll call it
a legal.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Claim or complaint against Tyler Perry.

Speaker 15 (20:53):
The job of a really good prosecution is to create
a really strong brief, a really good complaint that you
know everyone's going to see the quote of public opinion
and rush to judgment, and knowing that most people aren't
going to read through it and think critically. That's kind
of some of what we maybe saw this with the
ditty complaint, what came out, the solatiousness of it. But again,

(21:15):
as Attorney Manning, you know, my panel may said earlier,
there is actually a level of nuance here as to
what is the real wrongdoing and whether or not the
reco charge will be something that is going to be
able to hold. And as I look through this case
that I followed very closely, I can't help but to
agree that I think it could be that there is
some trouble.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
For the prosecution as this continues to roll out.

Speaker 15 (21:36):
Listening especially to our expert at the very beginning, I
don't know if Brendan Paul's testimony I helped or hurt
the prosecution's case. I think it could have done a
little bit of damage today, even though I haven't watched
that pic.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
I'm going to check that out after we conclude.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
But it didn't make me feel very confident hearing that,
then knowing the other things that have happened throughout the
days of this case.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think it's an interesting conversation. Like you said you following,
this is very much a generational split, in generational divide,
and it's something that we have to keep up with
because this is part of what the cultural conversation is
and we can't simply ignore because it's not within your wheelhouse,
because it does drive the conversation. Are we going to
go to a quick break, We'll be back. You're watching
the Roller Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Blackstone Network.

(22:20):
We'll be back after the break.

Speaker 16 (22:22):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg car A
very different take on June teenth, with the One and
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rituals that are a part of our history and the
Juneteenth Holidays.

Speaker 17 (22:39):
So it's our responsibility to return the healthier version to
our folks instead of just the red liqueurs marketed to us,
the red sodas and the other things. I mean, why
does the kool aid man have to sound like Louis Armstrong.

Speaker 16 (22:55):
An enlightening and tasty out of the Black Table on the.

Speaker 18 (23:00):
Black Star Network, Lee Sherry Sabra And you know what
you're watching, Roland Martin Unfelsen.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
All right, as most of you have been watching Israel
and Iran or in the midst of a conflict that
may draw America in. And when I say Israel and
Iran or in a conflict, that's the way Western media
has reported it. What really happened was Israel launched a
sneak attack against Iran in the middle of the night,
and now Iran is trying to defend themselves.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Now, if you listen to Western.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Media, you would think that Iran had attacked Israel, when
it's actually the other way around. So how is it
that America might get pulled into this mess?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Going on?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
In that region. Well, the truth is we're already in
that message. We've been in that mess for the better
part of seventy five years. Iran was ruled by a
dynasty from seventeen eighty nine until about the nineteen nineteen twenties. Then, mysteriously,
during World War Two, the British and those Russians decided
to invade Iran, overthrowing the dynasty that ruled there and

(24:16):
then emplacing a democratically elected government. When that democratically elected
government decided to nationalize the oil industry there, the UK
and the US through the CIA, overthrew the democratically elected
government and installed the Shah of Iran and developed close
diplomatic ties. If you're over fifty, you remember the Shah
of Iran coming to Washington, DC and visiting and all

(24:38):
the pageantry around that. But guess what, during that same
period of time, he was an awful and brutal tyrant,
subjugating his own people, which led to the Student Revolution
in the late seventies and then the Islamic Revolution that
took over thereafter of the Iatola Kamane. This is a
seventy five years of history we're condensing down into a
couple of seconds with that, we decided that they were

(25:00):
in the enemies. The reason Iran still flies F fourteen's
and F four's and uses technology from the American the
nineteen seventies was that's when we've cut off relations with them,
and we've been pushing to overthrow that regime and reinstall
in American friendly regime since that day and time. Fast
forward to October seventh, when the Hamas attacked Israel that

(25:22):
started netting yahou On. This cassis belli in the name
of security launch a two year war killing and committee
was the equivalent of a genocide in Palestine. He then
used that same power to go after Hesbelah in Lebanon
and in Syria. He then used that same power to
go after the Huthis in Yemen. As a result, since

(25:43):
we're the big brother in this situation, America this year
has spent over a billion dollars striking the Houthi rebels
in support of this campaign that we're currently seeing. You
take out the proxies first, and then that paves away
for Israel to have unfettered access to destruction of Iran.
Issue is the Iran nuclear program, which is the current
auspices under which we are preparing to go to war

(26:06):
with Iran is located between three hundred and five hundred
feet underground, and the only bombs that have even the
technical ability to hit it are GBU fifty seven bombs
dropped by B two stealth bombers from the United States,
which are stationed at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean
right now. So, unless America comes into this war, Israel
can bomb Iran as much as they feel like it.

(26:28):
They have no ability to actually stop their nuclear program
from taking place. So a couple of nights ago, Senator
Ted Kruz, who is a proponent of the invasion of Iran,
went on Tucker Carlson Show, who is an opponent of
the invasion of Iran, and they had any nice conversations.
Let's throw it to the clip of Tucker Carlson interviewing
Ted Cruz.

Speaker 19 (26:49):
If Israel decides We're going to decapitate the government and
try to foment an uprising against it, should the United
States participate in that operation in any way?

Speaker 20 (26:58):
Look, I have not called for killing the Iyatola, and
there is Nations in war generally refrain from attacking and
killing heads of state now the Itola doesn't.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's trying to kill Trump. We talked about that, but
we shouldn't punish him for it.

Speaker 20 (27:16):
Look, there has been a long standing nations in war
have refrained from killing heads of state.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I have not publicly called for killing the Ietola.

Speaker 20 (27:26):
What I've called for is doing whatever is necessary to
stop him from getting nuclear weapons. In the first Trump term,
what that meant was maximum pressure. So in the first
Trump term, I spent a lot of time urging the
president to withdraw from the disastrous Iranian nuclear deal that
Obama had.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
President Trump agreed with me.

Speaker 20 (27:43):
He did that, and then I urged him to end
the oil waivers and to sanction the hell out of
the country, and it ended up crippling their economy. So
so Iran at the time was selling two million barrels
of oil a day one million barrels, I'm sorry, one
million barrels of oil a day. When President Trump ended
the oil waivers, it cut their sales to three hundred

(28:03):
thousand barrels a day. At the end of the Trunk term,
the Iranian economy was in shambles. They had massive inflation.
I think the regime was teetering. I think it might
have fallen. I would use economic sanctions and I would
use moral suasion to try to.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Effectuate Okay, see top of the human by whatever means.
What happens?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Then?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
How many people living around? By the way, I don't
know the population at all. No, I don't know the population.
You don't know the population of the country.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
You seek to topple.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
How many people living around? Ninety two million?

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, how could you not know that. I don't sit
around memorizing population tables.

Speaker 19 (28:41):
Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the
overthrow of the government.

Speaker 20 (28:45):
Why is it relevant whether it will because ninety million
or eighty million or a hundred million, Because if you
don't know anything about the country, I didn't say I
don't know anything about Okay, what's the ethnic mix of
the wrong They are Persians and presuminantly Shia. Okay, this
is anything about Iran.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
So okay, I'm not the Tucker Carlson bird On I Ram.

Speaker 19 (29:05):
You're a center who's calling You're the one the government,
the one about the country.

Speaker 20 (29:10):
No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the
one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I'm not saying that who can't figure out, say, killed
General Somoni and you believe they're trying to murder Trump?

Speaker 19 (29:21):
Yes, because you're not calling for military strikes against them
in retaliation.

Speaker 20 (29:24):
And if they really believe that carrying out military strikes today,
who said Israel was right with our help?

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I've said we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

Speaker 19 (29:33):
Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government
last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Feiffer
denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on
Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.

Speaker 20 (29:44):
We're not bombing, then Israel's bombing them. You just said
we were. We are supporting as you're a senator.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
If you're saying the United States government is we're with
the run right now, people are listening.

Speaker 20 (29:54):
We are not bombing them. Oh, Israel is bombing them.
Why do you do the snide Oh you mean.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Because it's this is super high stike stuff.

Speaker 19 (30:03):
It's this is a huge country that borders a lot
of other important countries in a lot of the world's
energy comes from there.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Let me don't want another disaster.

Speaker 20 (30:10):
You don't want to Iatola refers to Israel as the
little Satans America as the Do you believe him when
he says it's the great Satany? Do you do you
think if the Iyatola could murder both of us right
now that he would?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
I did I believe it? Okay, I assume no good
faith in the part of the Iatola.

Speaker 20 (30:27):
And if your implication is like's not iatola or something,
it's not good faith.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
It's that just saying if.

Speaker 19 (30:34):
You're a lawmaker, you're a powerful person in Washington. This
is the most powerful country in the world. If you're
calling for toppling in government, it's incumbent on you to
know something about the country and to think through the
consequences of that, and you haven't, and you don't.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
For once, I feel bad for Ted Cruz because Tucker Carls.
I've been on his show point in times. He's a
nice sky actually in person. But let's throw this map
of the Middle East real quick, just so people can understand.
So right there in the middle, that's Iran, the big
thing in the middle. Look to a left of that,
that is a Raq. Remember that time we tried to
invade Iraq? How well that went? See how much bigger

(31:09):
Iran is than Iraq. Guess what, we'd have that much
more of a problem if we decide to have a
military intervention. Look on the other side of Iran, that's Afghanistan.
Remember that time we tried to invade Afghanistan. Remember how
well that went. Well, We're going to have all those
problems plus some if we're trying to do a military
intervention in Iran. Add into that, when Ted Cruz talks

(31:33):
about regime change, toppling the regime to the northwest corner
of Iran, so top left of your screen, that area
is Kurdistan, a semi autonomous region of a Kurdish people
that stretches between the Iranian, the Iraqi and the Turkish borders.
Look all the way down to the southeast corner where
Iran intercepts from Afghanistan and Pakistan. That area is called Balochistan.

(31:55):
That is a semi autonomous region which is spread out
between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. If you look at the
border between Iran and Iraq, that is the Sawad al
Arab Waterway where they have been going to war for
the past forty years for water rights to that. Look
all the way on the Afghan border. There's a river there.
Iran and Afghanistan have been fighting for the last five

(32:16):
years over water rights to that river. So if the
regime falls, all those people immediately invade in the clear independence.
You have a civil war going on in Kurdistan, you
have a civil war going on to Balochistan. You're invaded
by Iraq, You're invaded by Afghanistan. To the top top
east corner, they have Turk semi autonomous Turk area by

(32:37):
Turkmenistan that also becomes immediately immediately independence. So to talk
about this and what the ramifications will be of an
actual invasion of Iran by Israel the United States, We're
joined by doctor Nola Hayes, national security expert, the Elogian
and professor doctor Hayes.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
How are you doing.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
I'm good.

Speaker 21 (32:56):
I am not at theologian. I respect the elogian is
way too much. I do have a divinity degree, but
I'm not a theologian.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I think all of the above are needed in this
particular time. So can you talk a little bit about
what the actual ramifications will be if we went to
war or if America got drawn into this war with Iran.

Speaker 21 (33:15):
Well, I have some information this evening that suggests it's
not a matter if that the two week pause is
actually more about us, that the US actually moving back
into the region in terms of strengthening our air.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
And naval defenses. That's the information that I'm hearing.

Speaker 21 (33:36):
So this supposed two week pause for Trump to think
about the action, from what I understand this evening, that
action has already decided upon and that we will be involved.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
And with that President Trump the idea of the he's
of around why he said we're going to do a
two week pause, which because he said he wanted to
have more time to negotiate with Iran, but he pulled
out the JCPOA in twenty eighteen. What exactly is he
trying to negotiate now that wasn't in the JCPOA that
he already withdrew from.

Speaker 21 (34:08):
Well, it's one of those tricks that Trump does all
the time. He creates the problem and then he tries
to pretend as if he's solving the problem that he created.
Trump won absolutely created the problem pulling out a JCPOA,
better known as the Iran Nuclear Deal, and that was

(34:29):
a mistake and we're seeing a lot of those consequences today.
We're seeing the consequences of a lot of bad form
policy decision making, and at least and Trump won. There
were some adults in the room, there were some guardrails,
but there aren't right now. And so while we are
in real time seeing the consequences domestically, we see it
every day of this election. Things are starting to bear

(34:51):
out geopolitically with the consequences of this election. And one
thing that I want to lean into is, yes, there
is a concern about you know, Iran enriching uranium beyond
the five percent threshold, hanging around somewhere about sixty percent,
because that means that you are very close to making

(35:13):
a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
That part is a reality.

Speaker 21 (35:17):
However, what's going on behind the scenes and what needs
to be elevated more And I did hear you mentioned
this is this idea of regime change, but regime change
in a very different way.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
The first thing I'll say is, anytime you want.

Speaker 21 (35:32):
To there's some sort of regime change via violence, it
doesn't work out. You mentioned Afghanistan, Vietnam. I could go
on and on and on. It typically doesn't work out.
Maybe about two months ago, Ben Rhodes wrote this really
interesting piece about this concept called the spheres of influence,
basically about not so much countries wanting to be the superpower,

(35:54):
but regional powers amassing hegemonic control and so in turn,
terms of regime change in the region, it seems as
if Israel wants to be the top dog in the
region and it's going to do it by any means necessary.
And I also want to point out to the audience
that this isn't this isn't a new situation. Nattigna, who

(36:16):
has been talking about this particular thing regarding Iran and
it's building its nuclear capabilities since the nineties. This plant,
this plan, for all intents and purposes, has been in existence.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
For at least a decade.

Speaker 21 (36:31):
But the guardrail that existed, or typically the US American presidents,
that guardrail no longer exists. One of the reasons could
be not just the fact that you know, Trump is inept,
but secondly, we want to control the world's uh crude
oil and gas reserves. And I need to put this

(36:53):
into context. You show that map, but why why why
is it always so much drama in the Middle East?
There are historical reasons, but when you have oil come
into the mix, the US is said to want to
control those reserves, and so Iran is responsible for about
one fifth of the global consumption of crude oil and gas.

(37:17):
The one lever that Iran is threatening to pull is
to close or to disrupt transportation through the Strait of Hermves.
And why is that important? About nineteen million barrels a
day goes through the Strait of Hermves, which is right
between Iran and Oman, and so Iran is threatening to disrupt,

(37:43):
to disrupt, to disrupt that flow of oil, of oil
and gas.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
I'm sorry, and we're already seeing evidence of it.

Speaker 21 (37:51):
I mean, just the other day I saw gas in
my neighborhood go up ten percent, and then the following
day it went up ten percent. So we will feel
those very real consequences in our gas tanks if the
United States enters. Well, from what I'm hearing today, there's
no If it sounds like we are, it's just a
matter of when.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And just real quick, before we go to the panel,
I want you to give you an opportunity to kind
of drill down on that last aspect, because often I
think we get Middle Eastern fatigue in America. We're so
used to American Israel dropping bombs on some country in
the Middle East. We don't really pay attention to the
actual consequences.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
There's a reason we haven't bombed to Ron.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Because they actually have the ability to punch back, as
we're seeing in Israel right now as ballistic missiles or
hitting hospitals and other facilities. A part of the Iranian
response has been articulated all the way back to President
Rayiski and even to Aquadinajad was the idea of not
just mining and shutting off the straits or horror moves,
but also the destruction of the Suez Canal. I want

(38:54):
people to understand that a few years ago you had
the Suez Canal shut down for like a week and
it closed down blow shipping for over a year. Can
you talk about what the real world implications would be
of a warwolf Iran where both the straits of Horror
Moose were shut down, the two Wes Canal was shut down,
and then we're making the Malacca dilemma even work for

(39:14):
most people.

Speaker 21 (39:17):
Well, one of the major consequences is just yesterday Putin
and she basically said keep your hands off Iran.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
China gets about twenty percent.

Speaker 21 (39:27):
Of its oil and gas from Iran. Putin has I
should say Russia. Russia had entered an agreement in January,
just in January with Iran, a strategic agreement saying that
they will come to each other's aid. This agreement covers
everything from energy to defense. So I had said, you
know at the start of this that Iran isn't what

(39:50):
people think it is. That back and forth that Tupperculson
did with Ted Kruz was.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Important for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 21 (39:57):
But one of the things that he was trying to
drill down do on is you know, I said, Iran
ain't no punk And what I mean by that is
we are talking about ninety ninety one million people. We
are talking about a very large, continental sovereign country who
has very important friends. You know, China and Russia will

(40:20):
come to Iran's aid. In Beijing, they are talking about
this as Israel's as Israel's I'm sorry, it literally just
left my mind because I'm so overwhelmed with what's happening
right now. It is, Oh my goodness, I cannot believe

(40:41):
it'll come back to me. But this isn't seen as
something that needed to happen. This wasn't aggressive aggressive, I
got it Iran's pearl harbor. That's how Beijing is talking
about what Israel did to Iran. And while I'm not
going to sit here and say that they're isn't a
worry about Iran and riching, Because if that weren't a worry,

(41:04):
the Obama administration would have never entered into the JCPO
way with them.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
That is a thing.

Speaker 21 (41:10):
That is a thing, But to use that as a
reason to aggressively invade, that's another thing. It's kind of
breaking the law. And so now you have the United
States counting on Israel and the United States to win
against Iran.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
It's not going to be that easy.

Speaker 21 (41:29):
Iran has friends, they have important friends. And to your
point that you just made their ballistic missile, they have
about a total about three hundred ballistic missiles and they've
only gone through about a fraction of those. Israel is
having problems, having spent sixty seven billion dollars in Gaza.
They're spending seven hundred million dollars a day trying to

(41:52):
beat Iran. Their economy is struggling. Yes, so is Iran's
economy struggling from all the sanctions.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
But again, Iran ain't a punk. It's not just gonna
roll over and capitulate because.

Speaker 21 (42:05):
Trump thinks he's the strong guy from New York and
thinks he's in a mob movie twenty four to seven.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
That's not how this is going to.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Happen, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I think that's an important point because people need to
understand the diff difference between a nation state and the
civilization state. A nation state like America or some of
these other other countries you know where We've been around
for a few hundred years, and it's been great. When
we're talking about civilization states, you're talking about the Indus Valley,
You're talking about the tigers and Euphrates, you're talking about
the Yellow River, You're talking about Turkey, Iran, India, China,

(42:35):
civilizations that have been around for thousands of years, and
you don't stick around that long getting punked up by
Donald Trump. I want to go to our panel, give
them opportunity death to ask them questions about this. I'm
gonna go to Michael mltep first.

Speaker 13 (42:48):
Hey, no, look, good to see you again.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Thanks for this breakdown.

Speaker 13 (42:52):
Can you talk briefly about the relationship between I ran
being overthrown in nineteen fifty three by the CIA, and
then also Great Britain and the what became the British
Petroleum Petroleum Oil Company.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
Please, I am.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Not about to sit here and talk about no CIA operations.

Speaker 13 (43:15):
I want article that we just want to ask this
Washington Post article came out June nineteenth, twenty twenty five.
The US helped oust Iran's government in nineteen fifty three.
Here's what happened. So I was just tying on that together.
What you talk about, what you want to deal with.

Speaker 21 (43:30):
This is what I will say to my earlier point,
when you try to topple a regime, it never works out.
We have made this mistake over and over and over,
and here we are setting ourselves up for the same
kind of mistake without the same sort of brain power
in the room. Let's be very clear, you know, we're
not talking about smooth operators here. We are talking about

(43:54):
people that are in the Capitol right now who literally
operate as like the b Roll from some sort of
like Goodfella's Part five or something like. I'm not even
kidding when I say that, you know, but to your point,
it never works out.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
It literally never works out.

Speaker 21 (44:12):
And we're going to get drawn into this long long thing,
and it's not going to work out the way that
they think it's going to work out.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I think to that point, we've spent a billion dollars
in the last four months. I think bombing to Hoothy's
as part of Operation Rough Riders. We bombed them for
five months. It's been a billion dollars. We lost two
to three f eighteens to drop to the bottom of
the Red Sea. We still haven't beat them. And that
is the B Minor League squad to Iran. And I

(44:39):
want people to look at that map of the Middle
East again and realize that Iran is not flat. Those
are all mountains. It's almost impossible to invade that country.
You can't do a sea bound invasion. You can't invade
through there's literally one corridor where you're going to invade through.
So if you think we're going to drop a couple
of bombs to be out by the weekend, you got
another thing coming on mat.

Speaker 12 (45:00):
Do you have a question, Yes, I do, Doctor Hay
is good to see a quick question. What is your
thought about how this reverberates out to Saudi Arabia, Jordan
some of the other countries that are near there particularly
with our relationship with Saudi Arabia. How does that affect
our involvement and maybe escalation? And just what are your
general insights in that respect?

Speaker 21 (45:22):
I mean instability, you know, it's instability even before the
Trump administration, you know, which I have some knowledge about
in terms of how difficult navigating this very tenuous relationship
between all of these different countries already was, right, you know,
we were inching towards having agreements between Saudi Arabia and Israel,

(45:45):
not necessarily strategic partnerships, but some sort of a friendly,
more friendly agreement.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Right, and then.

Speaker 21 (45:55):
Hamaz did what it did in October twenty twenty three.
So the situation was already fraud And right now there's
a lot of chaos, there's a lot of insecurity. Donald
Trump does this thing where he thinks it's cute. Oh,
they don't know what I'm going to do. You know,
I'm gonna keep it under my head. He think that's cute.
That's not how you do international security. That's not how

(46:18):
you handle geopolitics. Right, So it's going to cause a
lot of instability. But where we're going to see it
and why this matters for us, is we're going to
see it.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
At the gas tank.

Speaker 21 (46:29):
And we are already threatening you know, and you know
inflation with tariffs and all these things. So it's just
going to complicate an already fraud situation, uh here at
home and abroad.

Speaker 11 (46:43):
And follow up, go ahead, go ahead, sorry very quickly.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
Does that mean then you think that we'll be boots
on the ground any run and then also in a
lot of those surrounding countries for security purposes? I mean,
what does that look like in terms of mobilization of forces, Well, right.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Now it's Aaron Navl.

Speaker 21 (47:01):
In terms of boots on the ground, we do actually
have we do have a few boots on the ground
helping man the bad batteries. In terms of will that
look like more traditional conventional warfare with boots on the ground,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Directly.

Speaker 21 (47:16):
In Iran, I've been thinking a great deal about that,
But that doesn't mean not in other areas. To your
point that that it may come to that.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
And doctor I wanted to just kind of ask about
what the terms are that President Trump was trying to
push the Iranians towards when he talks about wanting to
have a negotiation, wanting to have a deal that if
you look at what the JCPOA mandated, it was three
point sixty seven percent enrichment. Now Ron's at sixty percent.
They can be at ninety percent potentially within a year,

(47:47):
which is necessary to get twenty seven kilograms of enriching
uranium needed for atome advice you didn't put it on
a launcher. Takes maybe another six months, and now you
have a functioning nuclear weapon. From what it sounds like,
the trumpetman and suggesting a nuclear consortium where Iran, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar,
UAE would share nuclear production and therefore Trump would actually

(48:11):
be able to essentially profit from this nuclear deal. Can
kind of talk about what exactly Trump is trying to
get Iran to agree to.

Speaker 21 (48:18):
Right, So you know what Trump it's always about how
can he make a quick buck?

Speaker 7 (48:23):
Right?

Speaker 5 (48:23):
There's everything from let me back up a little bit.

Speaker 21 (48:26):
For whatever reason, you know, this administration, you don't have
to see anything. You don't have to see a plan.
It changes from moment to moment. One moment it could
be you know, complete, you know, completely abandoning their nuclear
program to like you said, this consortium deal. Again, this
kind of opaqueness where Trump thinks it's cute. He think
that's how you move and maneuver. That is not what

(48:48):
you do diplomatically. That is not what you do in
a foreign policy space, especially when you're talking about nuclear security.
My worry is this because of Israel's move, that this
will actually quicken, you know, quicken the pace of Iran
actually developing you know, a weapon if maybe they already haven't.

(49:12):
And then I also want you know, the viewers out
there to understand something. So a lot countries like China
and Russia, one of the things that they have done
when they come together, they always call the US out
for our own hypocrisy. And so one of the things
that's coming out of Beijing is that they are having
a hard time with Israel's hypocrisy regarding their nuclear weapons

(49:35):
that they have never said that they've had.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Let's just be very clear about that.

Speaker 21 (49:39):
So while Israel is saying, you know, Iran is enriching
at sixty percent and this is an existential threat to us,
and I'm not saying that it's not, at the same time,
you clandestinely also have these weapons that sometimes you make
vague threats to use against other people.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So this is a very interesting situation.

Speaker 21 (50:02):
Beijing is calling for the entire region to completely disarm,
you know, not to develop any further. That's what I
think the smart you know, the smart action is because
we've seen over time, from the fifties to the seventies
to the nineties, this region is always ripe with tensions.
And to think about all of these different countries having

(50:25):
a nuclear capability, even though I definitely believe and mutually
assured destruction as a form of deterrence, I don't know,
you know, the tensions, tensions, historical tensions are just always
boiling up and boiling over. And what we have seen
in the last couple of years is that they are
willing to go there and weapons technology has gotten a

(50:47):
lot better. I think people tend to think about the
Middle East as people living in these huts somewhere, you know,
amongst all the all the sand that that ain't that's
not it.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
So I need people to understand where we are.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
This is a very dangerous moment as weapons technology isn't
a place that it's never been in before.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Production of drones are really cheap.

Speaker 21 (51:13):
Like I said earlier, Iran has you know, hundreds of
ballistic missiles and Israel is limping along. The Iron Dome
isn't really performing the way that it performed before.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
So this is a layered situation.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Absolutely well, thank you so much for keep us updated
on this. I remind people that the same way, Israel
secretly has some nuclear weapons and Iron very well may
have a whole basement full of them that we don't
know about, that they bought from Ndia or Pakistan or
Russia or China. So maybe in a good, good idea
to go start bombing people when you don't know what
they got. As we say in the Outcast Rules of Atlanta,
don't pull the thing out unless you plan the bang.

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(53:59):
Senior leagues have responded in a very positive way. We
are working on a three year plan that will be
very beneficial to the African American community. If I thought
Target was not sincere in their commitment to the African
American community, I would be the first one to pick
at the picket lines. Our communications with Target has been
at the highest level. We are continuing that dialogue. With

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the federal government making deep cuts in education, healthcare, and
other essential services, we know the Black Church will be
called upon to stand in the gap. Our outreach programs
serving both our congregations and the broader community must be
fully resourced and to respond to the needs. I am
proud to say that we will answer the call. Target's

(54:40):
generous donation will help us provide scholarships, support senior citizens,
and invest in entrepreneurship programs to uplift our communities and
the future. The church must be a beacon that meets
the spiritual and physical needs of our membership. Through partnership
and corporation site Target, we are a better positioned to
fulfill that mission that NBC USA remains steadfast in our

(55:02):
commitment to holding corporations accountable to ensure African Americans receive
equidble opportunities and contracting employment, and other vital areas of investment.
The National Baptist Commission Convention USA was founded in eighteen
eighty sis in the nation's oldest and largest African American
religious convention with over thirty one thousand churches seven point
five million members. All right, so we're gonna go straight

(55:23):
to the panel on this. So it sounds like Target
is working with the National Baptist Convention to come to
a resolution on this year long boycott. As many people know,
the Trump administration when they came in, did this massive
rollback of what they call DEI but what is really
civil rights. They turned the clock back on many of

(55:45):
the games we've made when it comes to civil rights,
and many corporations we saw folded Target being one of them,
getting rid of meny their diversity programs. If you went
into a Target this week, you'll notice the June tenth
exhibit was a whole lot smaller than it was a
year ago back on infinity groups, et cetera. But Target
is one of the corporations has been really been affected
by the boycott movement and appears they're making movement potentially

(56:08):
in the direction out supporting the community. So I'm gonna
go to the panel of Michael, what's your take on this?

Speaker 13 (56:15):
Well, this is breaking news and I'm trying to find
an article on it, so not having been able to
really read it, it sounds so it sounds like there's
going to be a rift between the National Baptist Convention
and Pastor Jamal Bryant in his movement, because he said

(56:35):
recently that they're going to keep the boycott of Target going.
He said that he laid out for things on the
agenda that he wanted Target to agree to. They agreed
to the two billion dollars in investment in black owned businesses,
but the other three they didn't agree to. So for

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the National Baptist Convention, it sounds like now they struck
a deal with Target to now somehow help black owned businesses. Yeah,
it sounds like this is going to come to a
head and this is going to cause a rift in
the African American community and cause confusion.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Also exactly on that point. You know, I can already
see this is breaking news. I read it in real time.
I was reading it at the same time y'all were
hearing it. But it sounds like we're gonna we're gonna
be a lot of discussion on this, particularly in social
media and the online. What's your take on this?

Speaker 15 (57:32):
Everything that the devil stole, God is going to give
it back to me and my community. I don't care
what Target is doing to try to fix and mend
these bridges. It is going to until they give us
every single thing they've taken away from all marginalized communities,
that will be and my I will never shop there again.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 15 (57:53):
And I will continue to boycott and continue to call
for my brothers and sisters do that boycott because that
boycott is working and it's sending a national message. Twelve
point four billion in market value decrease three percent drop
from quarter to quarter, A five point seven drop.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
Yeared over your earnings.

Speaker 15 (58:08):
They're earning impact down thirty six percent compared to the
previous year.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Stock performance has followed nearly thirty percent.

Speaker 15 (58:14):
Leader should impact their CEO having taken four to three
percent cut. This is the power of the black dollar
at place. So they can go to any convention they
want to go to. They can appeal in any way
they want to compel, get down knees and pray until
they do right by me and mine, they will continue
to fail.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
And Matt, you know, I think when people hear this,
they're going to say, well, what are the details? What
exactly is Target agreeing to do. They've got the National
Baptist Convention on this side. Do you think what you
give them at least an opportunity to hear them out?
Or should we keep the boycott going regardless and expanded
if nothing else.

Speaker 12 (58:48):
No, I think you should take the words of our
boy future chase a check, because that's what they did.

Speaker 11 (58:54):
They chase the check.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
This is about a check, and this is about Target
wanting to improve its image. I don't think we should
hear them out, and I'm disappointed that the National Baptist
Convention did this. I mean, I understand that everybody has
its own self interest, but one to create the rift
that I think Michael is talking about when you have
the momentum that doctor Zach is talking about, at least
at this juncture, to me, seems to be unnecessary.

Speaker 11 (59:18):
It seems like they tried to sanitize it by.

Speaker 12 (59:20):
Saying, you know, look, we understand that this donation is
going to be necessary.

Speaker 11 (59:24):
With some of the rollback and some of that.

Speaker 12 (59:26):
Noah, forget that, because what happened is Target messed around
and found out, and now they're trying to clean up
their image, and they're writing a big check to the
National Baptist Convention. And when you take that check, it
affects your credibility. So no, I don't think we should
give them a pass. Whether that should be an interminable
boycott is a different conversation. But I'm not saying, oh,
it's okay because you wrote a big check, because you
shouldn't be having to write a big check if you

(59:47):
had put your money where your mouth was on your
commitment to DEI.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, and then we're going to talk about this with
Congress and Jackson later, who's been working in Congress on
dealing with some of these DEI issues. As I said,
there's some Breaking News will have more on this any
of the wake. I'm sure Roland will have a full
breakdown on this breaking news coming in right now. We're
going to go to a quick break. We'll be back afterwards.
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Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
You know, yesterday we honored the one hundred and sixtieth
anniversary of June teenth, and when you look at what
happened when President Biden made it a federal holiday in
twenty twenty one, the Maga folks immediately lost their minds.
I don't know why, because President Trump was a proponent
of this in his first term. He's the one who
suggested making June teenth an actual holiday. But then when

(01:01:31):
President Biden did it, we saw yesterday President Trump sitting
out a tweet saying we got entirely too many unpaid holidays.
So Roland had something to say about these people on
their backlash to teenth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Let's play video.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Roland. All right, folks, I am here in Saint Louis
County today giving a June teen speech to the Jubilee
Project here. But there were some things that I needed
to say that I could not wait until Monday, when
it comes to what we have seen in the past
twenty four hours, as this nation has commemorated and celebrated

(01:02:07):
Juneteenth as a federal holiday. If you want to understand
how anti black Donald Trump and his administration is and
Macca is, all you have to do is look at
what took place yesterday. So first and foremost, at the
White House, Donald Trump's chief liar, White House spokeswoman Carolyn

(01:02:32):
Levitt was asked the question about the reporters what Trump
was doing or were they going to do anything when
it came to Juneteenth. This is how she responded.

Speaker 8 (01:02:44):
The present to commemorate the holiday today or coming on.
I'm not tracking his signature on a proclamation today.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I know this is a federal holiday. I want to
thank all of you for showing up to work. We
are certainly here. We're working twenty four to seven right now, Nikki,
go ahead.

Speaker 21 (01:02:57):
Actually was my question, when you plan to mark genteenth
anyway today or with an event later on maybe next week?

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
Sure, I just answered.

Speaker 26 (01:03:04):
That question for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Okay, So you sat there and you heard her response.
Later in the day, den On Trump decides to release
a statement on truth Social. This is exactly what he said.
Pull the tweet up or pull his truth social post up.
Too many non working holidays in America. It is costing
our country billions of dollars to keep all of these

(01:03:29):
businesses closed. The workers don't want it either. Soon will
end up having a holiday for every once working day
of the year. What the hell is that it must change?
If we are going to make America great again. Hmm.
Don't you find it interesting that he decided to release

(01:03:51):
that post on Juneteenth? So I wonder what day he's
talking about?

Speaker 14 (01:03:56):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Why is he a fraud? Because this is the same
Donald Trump. Remember that trash plan he released, his so
called platinum plan. I called it a tenfoil plan? What
was in that plan? Pull it up? Huh? Look at
what it says right here? Make Juneteenth a national holiday?

(01:04:20):
So what does that tell you? We knew he was
a liar. We knew he wasn't serious about that plan.
We knew it was a joke, and we called it out.
And you see the result of us calling it out.
And this is who these people are. They are beyond despicable.
And so let's take Charlie Kirk, okay, Trump Trump, one

(01:04:43):
of Trump's biggest supporters, turning Point USA. So Charlie Kirk was, Oh,
he was on a rampage yesterday, the first one. This
is the same person who has been against us celebrating
doctor King's birthday as a federal holiday. So he decided
to trash June teenth over and over and over again.

(01:05:06):
He made a series of tweets that I want you
to understand where he said that first and foremost his
Turning Point, USA, they are not going to be celebrating
June teenth. Then check this out. He posted this right here.

(01:05:28):
Y'all gonna get a kick out of this one, this tweet. Remember,
he goes, Remember, the holiday being observed today is not
simply June teenth. The official name of his holiday, as
declared in the fifty four word bill Congress passed to
create this holiday in twenty twenty one, It's June tenth,
National Independence Day. It's a bizarre name. The original June

(01:05:49):
teenth had nothing to do with national independence. It was
about the emancipation of slaves in Texas. You still are
a liar. The real reason it's called that is because
our real Independence Day is just two weeks later. The
goal of the June teen holiday is to displace the
unifying importance of the fourth of July and to replace

(01:06:11):
America's racist founding with a new one that places DEI
and left wing race politics at the center of our
national myth. That is why Turning Point will never observe
this holiday. America has one Independence day for all Americans.
It's July fourth and always will be. Really, I find

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that to be really interesting, Charlie Kirk. And then again,
there were numerous other tweets that he posted trashing teen.
For instance, he had another tweet June teens should not
be a federal holiday. Okay. He sent that tweet out
as well. Okay, then let's see was there another one.
Let's see right here, there may have been another one,

(01:06:55):
and no, that's it. So there you go. Okay, So
that was his position on June two. Let's go back
to the same Charlie Kirk when Republicans were in charge.
He sent this tweet out on June nineteen, twenty twenty,

(01:07:16):
Today's Juneteenth, celebrating the end of slavery in the United States. Now,
Charlie Kirk is a college dropout. He has no idea
what the hell he's talking about. And I'm gonna get
you that. A little bit later, he goes, this was
made possible thanks to Republican President Abraham Lincoln. Today Democrats
are fighting to tear down his statue. Also, you liked
Juneteenth when Trump was there, but you don't like the

(01:07:40):
fact now that it was President Joe Biden that's signed
it into law for June teenth to become a federal holiday. Well,
let's just keep in mind you can blame Kentucky Center
Ran Paul because he was the one who stopped the
unanimous consent for that happening. But let's go to another
tweet from Charlie Kirk. He posted after that when Senate

(01:08:01):
Republicans are introducing legislation to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden were in the White House
for eight years, why didn't they ever do it?

Speaker 15 (01:08:12):
Hm?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I find that to be fascinating. So Charlie Kirk five
years ago was lauding Republicans on June teenth, but now,
all of a sudden, Juneteenth is a horrible holiday and
it should not be celebrated. I got you. So let

(01:08:35):
me now deal with this, this idea of history, because
this has been driving me crazy. And Charlie Kirk's ignorance
is showing right there. Okay. And in fact, I was
looking at some tweets earlier from conservative Eric Erickson, a
radio talk show hosts out of Georgia. And Eric's a
very smart guy. He's a lawyer. He's very smart. But

(01:08:57):
being smart doesn't mean you actually know what the hell
you're talking about it and Eric really has no idea
what the hell he's talking about when it comes to
Juneteenth in history and facts and things along those lines.
So I was traveling today and I saw this, and

(01:09:18):
I went, dude, you really need to go to a
real history class. See part of the problem here is
white his story, but it's not actually real history. Okay.
So I'm looking at this. So this is what Eric
Eric's in tweets. He said, I'm fine with June teenth

(01:09:38):
as a holiday. I find the history fascinating. It's nice
to have a holiday besides Memorial Day to honor the
end of the Civil War. But it is not Independence Day,
and we should make sure those who'd co opted to
undermined it, to underbund July fourth are not successful. Has

(01:10:02):
Eric Erickson ever read Frederick Douglas's speech, what to the
slave is the fourth of July? Has Charlie Kirk ever
read that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
See?

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
The reason I raised that question is because I don't
think these people have any understanding of history. See white
Americans loved to tout July fourth, not realizing that when
America gained its independence that didn't exist for people of

(01:10:33):
African descent who were enslaved. It's no different when you
talk about Texas independence. Okay, when Texas seceded from Mexico.
You might have seen my video of ripping the History
Channel apart for lying in their docu series or omitting
the fact that slavery was the root cause for Texas independence.

(01:10:56):
And so Juneteenth Independence Day, that is the independence day
for black people because or people of African descent, because
that's when we became free. July fourth was not our holiday.
Those are facts, whether they want to accept that or not.
But it's also deal with some facts. First and foremost,

(01:11:19):
Juneteenth did not free the slaves. Let me unpack that.
President Abraham Lincoln on January first, eighteen sixty three, assigns
the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves in states that were
rebelling against the Union. That's the Confederate states. People need

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to understand that the states that were still a part
of the Union, slavery still existed. For border states, what
were they? The state that I'm in right now, Missouri, Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware. Yes,
even though after President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation,

(01:12:05):
slavery continued in those areas. Now, let me go to
the next one. They keep saying that They keep saying that.
They keep saying that when it came to the issue
of oh, the best Patient Proclamation ended the Civil War. No,
it did not. The Emancipation Proclamation was signed January first,
eighteen sixty three. The Civil War did not end until

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April ninth, eighteen sixty five. Y'all has two years later.
What are folks talking about now? When people then say, well, okay,
it ended slavery, it did not. When General Gordon Granger
came to Texas. When he came to Texas, he actually

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issued General Order number three. Do you know what that
actually said? He was enforced the proclamation. It didn't end.
It did not end slavery. It also was not representing
the end of the Civil War. So again Erickson is
dead wrong. The Radical Republicans in January of eighteen sixty

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five introduced the thirteenth Amendment, what is one of what
is called one of three reconstruction Amendments. What then happened
was they passed it. Congress passed it. But a constitutional
amendment has to be ratified by three quarters of the states.
It went to the states December sixth, eighteen sixty five.

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It was fully ratified. Then it was accepted on December eighteenth,
eighteen sixty five, thus becoming law. But that ended shadows slavery.
It did not end slavery. If you read the Thirteenth Amendment,
the language is still there in the thirteenth Amendment, slavery

(01:13:59):
still exist in the United States. And again, if you
just read the language, it says the So again, this
is what it says. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except
as a punishment for crime, whereof the parties shall have

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been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States or
any place subject with their jurisdiction. These are the facts.
And so these white conservatives they've never cared about discussing slavery.
They've never cared talking about the impact of slavery. They
don't care. So the Ericksons of the world want to

(01:14:42):
switch this s oh No, June tenth is a celebration
of the end of the Civil War, which is a lie.
People of African descent in Texas when they got worried
two years later. The white folks in Texas knew they
were holding them captive. They knew what Lincoln had ordered,
but they chose to ignore it. So black folks weren't
just jumping up and down. Know they were angry and

(01:15:04):
pissed off if they didn't know for two years earlier.
So if we're gonna sit here and talk about June teenth,
we're gonna get the facts right. We're gonna get the
information right. And what we're not going to do is
allow white conservatives and Donald Trump and Maggie to attack
this holiday, to attack what took place and act like
what happened is wrong. And all of y'all can go

(01:15:25):
to hell if you want to get rid of Juneteenth,
because guess what if the federal holiday and it ain't
going anywhere. So I don't give a damn what do
you think, Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, you can kiss my
ass and go to hell as well, because we do
not care. At the end of the day, for us,
Juneteenth is our day. And if y'all want to understand
the July fourth, wait until we air for you the

(01:15:48):
reading of What to the Slaves the fourth of July.
I had numerous people, activists and entertainers and others who
read portions of that. And trust me, if you go
read that speech or listen to James Earld, excuse me,
Ruby excuse me, I C. Davis. Reciting that speech, you
will realize how Frederick Douglass, a Republican, laid into America

(01:16:13):
when it came to how people of African ascent view
the Fourth of July, because when that day is celebrated,
we were not included. All Right, folks, that's it for
me here in Saint Louis. I'm gonna toss it back
to the studio. I will see you guys tomorrow when

(01:16:33):
we're live in Vergina. Thanks a much. Enjoy the dad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
How all right, Well, it's great to hear from Roland.
You know, no matter where Roland was at, he was
gonna have something to say about this. I'm glad we
had the opportunity did hear directly from him. We're gonna
go to a quick break and when you give the
panel a chance to respond. On the other side, you're
watching Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network.

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Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
The disrespect continues in North Carolina. A black woman is
going viral for how she handled racism with grace after
employees at Synergy Autocare in Wilson, North Carolina made slick
remarks about reparations. She didn't argue, she just walked out. Now,
an employee at the auto shop released the video and
this statement, thinking folks would be on their side, so

(01:18:33):
they said, so today's wow moment. We have multiple customers
in our waiting room while their vehicles are being serviced,
and we were checking our till to see if we
needed any extra change because the banks will be closed
tomorrow for Juneteenth holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
A customer overheard us say the banks were closed and
asks us why they were closed. Our manager responded, well,
it's Juneteenth, they're a holiday they added a few years ago.
The customer said, oki, dope, and our greeter said, I know, right,
just a general generic response. No faster than she finished
speaking that, another customer stand up and give me my

(01:19:14):
effing truck, pull my effing truck around, give me my keys.
I don't want nothing done here. Caught everyone completely off guard.
I followed the customer outside to ask her what happened,
since it was all so fast. She told me she
was going to leave with this and that we are racist.

(01:19:34):
I said, ma'am, I was right there and nobody said
or did anything out of out of their way towards
you or anyone else inside. She told me we all
laughed at her and we're chuckling and mocking the holiday,
and that I didn't know how that made her feel
because she was black. She said, I am still going

(01:19:56):
to live with this. I told her, or if that
was the case. I was going to go ahead and
pose and pose the c c V post the CCV
footage so we are not unfairly judged off of one
side of the event. I generally don't entertain these kinds
of things, but when you bend over backwards for all

(01:20:16):
your customers, no matter who they are, it stings to
be accused of hateful things. I am attaching the video
so anyone stumbles across the hate post or video will
senders you auto care that focus at the focus, you'll
have seen the actual interaction for yourself. Here is the video.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
Yeah, when I went to the.

Speaker 28 (01:21:01):
Holiday, they did what you did?

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
All right? Please get give me my keyth pussure.

Speaker 27 (01:21:15):
I don't want to know.

Speaker 26 (01:21:16):
Please go get my child?

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:21:23):
Yes?

Speaker 28 (01:21:23):
No right, he said you can holiday tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
And I don't even know.

Speaker 15 (01:21:45):
Let us do exactly, but they get something to do
is with reparations or something?

Speaker 8 (01:21:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Suh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Well that offensive stands didn't work out too well for
a Senate autocare. The viral video got thousands of comments
and reactions, so it was it was so bad that
sendings you autocare deleted not only the video but also
it's Facebook page. And here in d C, listen to
how a white woman described Juneteenth.

Speaker 8 (01:22:19):
Juneteenth is excuse me, what's happening to the white people.

Speaker 10 (01:22:25):
They have a black miss America, they have a black college,
they have a black month.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
What do we have and now they have Juneteenth. Yes,
I understand there with slavery, don't get me wrong, but
there was also a Holocaust and that was more recent
than slavery.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
But you don't hear the Jews.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Saying, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
It's the point of Juneteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
What is it?

Speaker 14 (01:22:52):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I don't know. And it is this white grievance.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
It is this kind of pain that they are feeling
that we're seeing being enacted by the federal government when
it comes to the reality of any of these situations,
and if we're not going to do anything about this,
we're not going to have a real conversation that we
can expect this to continue happening. Or go to the
panel real quick, Michael, why do you think these people
are so as the young people say, but hurt over

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black folks having a holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Because it's stupid. That's why there's stupid.

Speaker 13 (01:23:27):
Okay, let me let me break this down because I've
been doing a lot of presentations deal with June TV.
That's done one for Wayne County Community College for professors
there blew them away. I've done one of the past
that was on the Karl Nelson Show w o LB
out of Baltimore yesterday morning. Uh, June teenth is an
opportunity to force into a national conversation and history that

(01:23:48):
Republicans in state and state legislations are passing loss or
suppress the teaching of that history. And you have an
attack from the federal government as well on African American
history also, so Americans very ignorant of history.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
First of all, if we deal with this.

Speaker 13 (01:24:05):
Juneteenth, first of all goes back to eighteen sixty six,
and African Americans have been celebrating that since eighteen sixty six. Okay,
Major General Warning Granger delivering General Order number three. I
like Rowland's video, but I just got to interject here.
The Civil War continued for another sixteen months after April ninth,

(01:24:25):
eighteen sixty five, when General Robberty Lee surrendered to Ulysses
Ays Grant, and there was a battle in Texas actually
May twelfth, eighteen sixty five. The Battle of Palmito Ranch,
which was the last land battle of the Civil War.

Speaker 7 (01:24:40):
It took place right there in Texas.

Speaker 13 (01:24:42):
So when you study that history, even though General Robberty
Lee surrendered, there were other Confederate generals who had smaller armies,
like General Joseph E. Johnston or that racist Nathan Bedford
Forest who in eighteen sixty seven became the first Grand
Risid of the Kukux Klan.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Rowland is correct.

Speaker 13 (01:24:58):
December eighteenth, eighteen sixty five, the Thirteenth Amendment is adopted.
That's when Kentucky and Delaware abolished slavery. So what you
see in the media, and part of it pisces me
off by white control media when they put this false
information out. Delaware and Kentucky didn't abolish slavery till six
months after Junie Team, So how could June Team be

(01:25:18):
the last day of slavery.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
They don't want to tell the truth.

Speaker 13 (01:25:21):
And then when you do with the Emancipation Proclamation, we
know that Maryland didn't abolish slavery till May one, eighteen
sixty four, when they put it on the ballot and
it almost did not pass. The Washington Post has an
excellent article called the not quite free state of Maryland.
We know Tennessee didn't abolish slavery till February twenty second,
eighteen sixty five. That's two years say after the em
Mascipation Proclamation. And Rowland is actually correct, and I tell

(01:25:43):
people to read these original documents. Go to Archives dot gov,
US National Archives or Library of Congress website loc dot gov.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a military strategy that Lincoln was
implementing to try to bring the South back into the Union.
The initial Emancipation aclamation was September twenty second, eighteen sixty two,
and he stated that the states and territories and rebellion

(01:26:06):
if they did not come back into the Union by
January first, eighteen sixty three, that their slaves would be
set free. He had no authority to do that, but Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky,
and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves. So we
really have to get deep into this history, separate fact
from fiction. And lastly, when we deal with why those
slaves were still being held in Texas, is because the

(01:26:27):
Texas State Confederate Constitution of eighteen sixty one banned freeing
the slaves even in a slave owner's will, it was
illegal to freedom. That's why there were two hundred fifty
thousand enslaved Africans, and all of those people did not
get the word. On January nineteenth. Major General Gordon Granger
and the two thousand Union troops, most of them African
American men, go throughout Texas to physically bring Texas back

(01:26:50):
into the Union. So it takes a period of time
to do this. June nineteenth was the date agreed upon
to celebrate freedom coming to Texas, but everybody did not
get the word on June nineteenth either.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
I think that infore mentioned is so important, doctor Kirk,
because when we have these conversations, it's almost as if
you heard the lady in the last video, they don't
want us to have nothing. Why do you think that
it goes that deep or we can't even honor a
symbolic date. It's not like we're saying, let's celebrate Nat
Turner's birthday, let's celebrate the Stone Olver rebellion, let's celebrate

(01:27:27):
John Brown. Let's have hatrean independence day where we celebrate
where is celebrated June tenth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Why do you think the hatred goes so deeply?

Speaker 15 (01:27:35):
The hatred goes so deeply because these people are willfully ignorant.
She needs to be worried about getting a washcloth and
sunscreen instead of worried about what black people are celebrating
and what they have earned and what they have earned.
She is the epitome of what is wrong with the
entire MAGA movement. There are people sitting in the porest

(01:27:58):
county in Kentucky, the poor nineties of America.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
The name fails me.

Speaker 15 (01:28:02):
Where you have ninety six percent of the people living
at the poverty rate, ninety plus percent of them have
lack health insurance, but over ninety eight percent of them
voted for Donald Trump because they are more concerned about
black people not having something that they themselves choose to
also not have.

Speaker 7 (01:28:18):
She has her priorities all miss conscrewed. But it's not
only her. It also goes back to the president, the.

Speaker 15 (01:28:24):
Man who's sitting in the White House, who initially proposed
a holiday, but who then, as we saw from Roland's video,
came out and said that it was too many unpaid
days off.

Speaker 7 (01:28:32):
While this man takes unpaid weekends every single.

Speaker 15 (01:28:35):
Weekend and God's at mar A Lago while he should
be instead worried about how to de escalate the Middle East.

Speaker 7 (01:28:40):
And I just want to make sure that your viewers
know that, while.

Speaker 15 (01:28:43):
On yesterday Donald Trump came out and said that we
don't deserve a Juneteenth, that this is a holiday that
should not be celebrated in America, the former president of
these United States, Joseph Robin at Biden, who is battling
prostate cancer, who is battling pro stay cancer, got on
a plane flew to Galveston, Texas to celebrate Juneteenth at

(01:29:05):
a black church with the people of Galveston, Texas, with
the mother of Juneteenth and the people that brought this
holiday to light, who fought this holiday. I just want
to make sure everyone knows that too, because it's a
tale of two presidents and two different ways they're trying
to approach his holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Well, elections matter, Matt Reck real quick before we go
to break.

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
My mother is from the Texas City Galveston area. My
great grandfather had a church there.

Speaker 12 (01:29:28):
A lot of people are there, so somebody in my
family literally may have been there on this day and learned.
And what it comes down to is racism. They don't
care about us. They hate the fact that they are
not the center. And when I say they, I mean
primarily white people. I mean, just look at this. People
are saying, well, this lady is saying, what about the
white people? Why don't we get more? And it's crazy
because in this country where chattel slavery is the country's

(01:29:49):
original sin, and you know, it's clearly a day of independence,
they are miffed by the idea that anything would come
in and affected July fourth being their independence day.

Speaker 11 (01:30:00):
It's purely racism. There's no other way to say it.

Speaker 12 (01:30:02):
And you know, announcing it on that day or posting
it on true social and that day is purposeful.

Speaker 11 (01:30:07):
But I don't think there's any euphemism or any intellectualizing hate.

Speaker 14 (01:30:10):
That's all this is.

Speaker 12 (01:30:10):
This is hate, and I think we're very soon going
to be back in the point where it is okay
to say the N word openly, because you see MAGA
increasing that rhetoric.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
And fomenting that hate, and I think we're sliding towards that.

Speaker 14 (01:30:22):
So that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah, absolutely correct are, And go to a quick break
where you can keep this conversation going. On the other side,
you're watching Roland Marty unfiltered. It's thrilling live on the
Black Store Network.

Speaker 24 (01:30:33):
Speak on the other side of change, state of the
Democratic Party, what are the barriers preventing us from seeking
true liberation and including more voices in that process.

Speaker 25 (01:30:42):
They overlook black organizers, young black people, the work that
we do all throughout the year. But then when the
election cycle comes around, Now, all of a sudden they
want to listen to us, listen in fultation marks.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Now, all of a sudden they want our labor.

Speaker 25 (01:30:56):
And all contributions. And it's just like for me, I'm
at the point where it's like, you know, we're not
doing that.

Speaker 26 (01:31:01):
Tune in only on the other side of change on
the Black Side Network, here's.

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
John Murrady, the executive producer of the new Sherry Surper
talk show.

Speaker 11 (01:31:13):
You're watching Roland Martine until today.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
All right, as me, guys, now, I look my radio
show about a year ago to take a job over
on Capitol Hill, working directly from the main We're bringing
up Congressman Jonathan Jackson, who's been a real leader in
this conversation on diversity, equity and inclusion in Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Congress and Jackson, how are.

Speaker 14 (01:31:38):
You doing, How are you doing? Great to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Great to see you also.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
And so we're talking about this June teenth rollback President
Trump's statement that he made yesterday, as I wanted to
throw it to you because you've been a real leader
in Congress on this issue of diversity, equity, and inclusion
and what the Trump administration has been doing to kind
of roll back many of the advancements we've made. What's
your take on President Trump saying that we have too

(01:32:04):
many unpaid holidays on June tenth.

Speaker 14 (01:32:08):
Yeah, well, some of the states across the styles should
get rid of their continued celebration of Confederates Day that
they have put in. We should honor the people that
have been overlooked and those that have been honorable. It's
unfortunate that so many states decided to honor the worst

(01:32:30):
of Americans, those that have perpetuated and tried to maintain slavery.
And now I only agree that we have too many holidays.
We may have too many of the wrong holidays and
celebrating some of the wrong people, but no, we should
honor and celebrate. It gives us a chance to reflect
so we can move forward. And there's healing, there's reconciliation,

(01:32:50):
and that's the only way to go forward. You don't
want to erase our collective country's memory, and unfortunately that's
been the history of our nation.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
You know, to that point, you sell on the House
Agricultural Committee, and we've seen the agriculture media it's talk
about slashing as much as one hundred and forty nine
million dollars from diversity, equity and inclusion programs, things that
help black farmers. Can talk a little bit about why
you've taken up this area of advocacy where many people
don't understand how the Department of Agriculture directly affects them

(01:33:21):
on a daily basis, particularly when it comes to these
cuts to snap benefits.

Speaker 14 (01:33:26):
Well, everyone eats, so we have something to say about agriculture.
It's so important. This is just cruel. And what they're
saying is people that are making on average six dollars
and ten cents per day in food assistance one hundred
and eighty dollars maximum for the month, that they have

(01:33:48):
too much in a world of inflation. People don't have
enough money to eat now. And this is supplemental nutritional assistance.
This is not entire meal. People have more months than
they have money. Malnutrition forty one million people in the
United States of America need this program. I believe that

(01:34:12):
the government should expand when people are having hard times,
and government should help people when they can't do for themselves,
and government ought to be reduced when times are well,
and so that government doesn't interfere. Right now, we're saying
that people need more assistance, which tells you that something
is fundamentally out of sync. And as he pushes through

(01:34:35):
not just cuts for the cuts for food assistance and
cuts for healthcare for the poor, he's also pushing forward
with cuts for taxes, meaning the wealthy can retain more
of their wealth. The good thing about America is you
pay taxes if you make money. If you don't make money,
you don't pay taxes. So it should be honorable that

(01:34:56):
you pay taxes. And his spirit is just totally wrong.
So as a consequence, he wants to see more people
documented or undocumented hungry, citizens or non citizens hungry. And
this is the wealthiest nation in the history of the world.
We have enough to make it. And think about, brother Prattillo,

(01:35:19):
is that he's talking about up to four trillion dollars
in taxes. And we've talked about this sometime before and
people get millions, billions and trillions kind of confused. But
a million seconds is eleven point seven days, a billion
seconds is thirty one years, a trillion seconds is thirty
one thousand years. He's talking about moving upwards. Are four

(01:35:43):
trillion dollars off the tax rolls at the same time
while he's trying to expand our military and our wars abroad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
On that point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
You had an opportunity to talk to the Agricultural secretari
about this last week, and you know, it's interesting because
they go through all this, we have to get rid
of DEI. You know what Elon say, DEI is really
die really means did not earn it, et cetera. But
and I think the coprogram might have this video. Let
me know if you guys, do you really keyed in

(01:36:16):
with the Agricultural Secretary on whether on what exactly they
meant when they were talking about getting rid of DEI programs,
when they talked about getting readily quote unquote woke agenda,
What did you find out when you question the Agricultural secretary.

Speaker 14 (01:36:31):
Well, and she had also talked about being color blind,
And I said, do you want people that have visual
impairments to work? In the Department of Agriculture. So what
exactly do you mean by color blind? This is on
your website. I said, are you saying do you mean
to say you're talking about not to have any race consciousness,

(01:36:55):
you don't want to deal with racial equity and racial justice. Well,
I don't think. I think we should be targeting and
trying to have preference for people that have different physical impairments.
That's not fair. So these are veiled at tempts in
terms to try to diminish the fight for racial justice.
And some people, and I hope our community continues to

(01:37:18):
respond with righteous indignation that this is another way of
saying black. So, yes, we are d EI and we
definitely earned everything that we've gotten. We've been more excellent.
Now we've got Pete haig Seth, he's a definitely didn't
earn it. You've got naoming over Homeland Security. She's a

(01:37:39):
definitely didn't earn it. You've got someone that's not capable
of doing the job and raising the standard of character
in the White House. He definitely didn't earn it and
definitely doesn't deserve it. So we should not back away
every time they say DEI, they cut something black. They
saydi and they take out the memory of Jackie Robinson,

(01:38:01):
they say DEI. They take out the memory of Medgar
Evers and Harriet tell me, they say DEI. They stop
the enforcement of civil rights legislation. They say DEI, which
is code word for not hiring any more African American
and Latino and Native American students. So we have to
put our stake in the ground. There's nothing else for
us to negotiate. The Democrats have to step up and

(01:38:24):
step out and be on the right side of history
and fight for DEI. If we don't have it, there
are no other programs in place. That's why we have
to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Absolutely credit as you always say, anybody who didn't have
rights in seventeen seventy six, you are diversity. That means veterans,
that means disabled people, that means women. If you weren't
on the main flower heading over here, you are DEI.
I want to come touch on a couple more things
from this week, because of course immigration has been in
the news. President Trump last week attacked Governor Petzker. He

(01:38:56):
attached Chicago by name, talking about they will be the
net cities to be militarized essentially the way that we're
seeing in Los Angeles. We were talking earlier about Iran
and Iraq. I do want to get your opinion on that,
Iran and Israel, and we get your opinion on that.
But right now there are twenty five hundred US troops
stationed in Iraq. There are five thousand stationed in Los Angeles.

(01:39:18):
To twelve free speech and to stop people from being
able to protest ice pursua to that, you and led
two congressional delegations to ice facilities this week. Can you
talk a little bit about why you guys went to
the ice facilities and what happened when we got there.

Speaker 14 (01:39:32):
Well, in an Article one of the Constitution, and you're
a brilliant Laurie. You know this, Robert. It's our job
to have oversight. We're supposed to show up at federal facilities.
We're supposed to know what's going on. This is checks
and balances. This is why there was massive protests last
week for having a no kingsting, because only a king

(01:39:54):
would have this unchecked, unilateral authority and power. That's not
The United States has set up a billionaire and a housekeeper,
the poorest man and the richest man on voting day
are equal in the eyes of the law, and we
want to make sure that we keep that. What mister
Trump is saying is that he wants to have the
soul arbitrary and capricious power to determine our laws and

(01:40:19):
what's justin right. So you've gotten people that are going
missing on the streets of America. They're being abducted, not
being arrested, at being kidnapped. Nobody knows where they've gone.
It's a very painful call that we've been receiving in
some of our offices, where people say, I don't know
where my mother is, I don't know where my father is.
They literally don't know whether they should call the police

(01:40:41):
department or if ice is picked up somebody. We can
do this in a decent and a normal order. If
mister Trump was strong, he'd be taking trying to create
laws and having them enacted. No, he doesn't do that.
He in turn tries to do executive order and circumvent
the law. That's why it's got two hundred and twenty
lawsuits ninety eight injunctions going against them. It's lawlessness and

(01:41:06):
a touching scene scenario I saw this past week. They
were too young, young young men in the military outside
of one of the ice check in facilities. They were
called the Reyes brothers. I didn't know if they were
there for the National Guard or I didn't know what
their role was. That there was more policing. No, these
two young men brothers were in their full military outfit

(01:41:30):
from boots to hat, and they stood at attention outside
of this facility. And I approached them and asked them
where they're there with the National Guard or what brought
them there. They said, We've come here to make sure
our mother is okay. We've got young men in the
military that are willing to put their lives on the
line and at the same time their concern whether or

(01:41:52):
not their mother is going to be abducted, kidnapped and
mistreated in the United States of America. Went to another
detention facility where people were sleeping on the floor, people
being picked up and being whisked away to another state,
and women not having hygiene products and sleeping on concrete
floors being stripped from there like children. This is indecent,

(01:42:13):
it's in moral. We're saying, put an end to that.
Let's deal with an immigration reform and a policy and
let's treat all human beings, documented or undocumented, with dignity
and with humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
And that's why it's so important that we have the
type of leadership that's willing to stand up to these
things we've saw in recent years. Congress got a little
bit quiet. It's good to see people making noise again.
We're going to go to the panel, turning Manning, do
you have a question for Congressman Jackson?

Speaker 11 (01:42:40):
Yeah, you go, very short, Congressmen, good evening to you.

Speaker 12 (01:42:44):
Great quick question for you, And this is kind of
a hard question, but I'd like you to answer it
as can't itlyd as you feel what is the sentiment
of your Republican colleagues on the Agriculture Committee. And I
ask because we've seen video on this very show of
people in Iowa screaming down Chuck Grassley when they're angry about,
you know, roll back to farmers' funds.

Speaker 11 (01:43:03):
So I'm wondering if this is kind of a concession.

Speaker 12 (01:43:06):
In that respect, and I'm interested in if any of
your Republican colleagues behind closed doors are talking about changing
any of that agricultural policy because they're afraid of getting
primary by being in lockstep with mister Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:43:18):
What's your position kind of on what you're seeing in
that regard.

Speaker 14 (01:43:21):
Well, there are a few people that I strongly and
vimanly disagree with on the committee that I've seen a
level of indecency, and then for the most part, I've
seen very decent people. But I tell you, the votes
are things that are very troubling. I tell you the
reason I think they're voting in this manner that it's
not consistent what I perceive to be their values, is

(01:43:45):
out of fear they've been given misinformation. I've asked them, well,
can you show me where you're getting these numbers from?
And two or three people told me look it up
on the internet. I'm like, can we just agree on
the same numbers, Like, just tell where you're getting your
numbers from. Well, mister Trump twisting arms. When we have
a close vote, all of a sudden, you can be

(01:44:06):
on the floor and see certain members having to take
a call from President Trump or having to take a
ride over to the White House. Remember January twentieth, when
he was sworn in, he also signed the executive order
to release the people that were insurrectionists from January sixth.
On that day he empowered a militia. So there's quite

(01:44:28):
a few people and Senator Mkowski has said are operating
in fear and threats and intimidation, the physical threats. We
had an emergency call with Leader Jeffries this past week
because there are so many death threats on so many
elected officials. There are one or two people in jail
today for credible death threats against me. And this is

(01:44:48):
now Historically what's happened on the Agriculture bill is when
people disagreed the Democrats Republicans, they pushed it all in
the ag bill and it went by unanimously. This is
the first time there's this level of friction and fighting
over should women and children get food benefits. They want
to raise the age of able body people to work

(01:45:11):
that have to take care of their parents, their children
that may be facing age discrimination from fifty five to
sixty five. Even under the Clinton administration, under welfare reform,
they knew you had to cap it at fifty four
years of age. Now they want to take it even
further to put burdens on people. So, no, there are
some decent people, but the votes are very indecent.

Speaker 13 (01:45:33):
Michael, you have a question, Yes, representing the Jonathan Jackson.
This is Michael im Hotep. When we look at the
one hundred and forty five USDA grants totally one hundred
and forty eight million dollars, they were doing things these
DEI grants, they were doing things such as expanding access
to land, capital and markets, will underserved producers, environmental justice

(01:45:57):
through urban forestry, et cetera, also education for sociate disadvantaged farmers.
Can you talk briefly about any examples of how any
of these programs that you know of were actually helping
African American farmers.

Speaker 14 (01:46:10):
Please, yeah, well, certainly so. There's one there's one program
on urban farming where people are able to source food
from their local neighborhoods and sell them into federal and
state institutions such as the school. Great program to teach

(01:46:32):
young people in the city about farming. That was a
great program. Forestation being able to manage the wildlands as
the world gets hotter and the cities get hotter. You
also see in the black communities we don't have enough
trees in most of our areas. We have more concrete,
a higher carbon footprint that's leading to a lot of

(01:46:54):
other negative impacts. There was a pathway that was being
created to teach people in the urban markets about food.
Somebody asked me why did I want to be on
the Agriculture Department. I said, because everybody eats. And if
you look at how the agworks in America, every state
except for Hawaiian, the biggest industry is agriculture. America has

(01:47:16):
a tremendous gift. We could feed the world. And many
of these programs that happened in the nineteen twenties, thirties
and forties excluded African Americans, and so there's much work
to be done. That's why we've gone from roughly fifteen
million acres to less than a million acres today. We
did not get the access to the duels of crop insurance,

(01:47:37):
of the federal Home Loan Banks, of many other programs
that are tucked in there. I'll tell you one other thing.
All municipalities under fifty thousand qualified for programs under the
Department of Agriculture. Some of those programs that you were
talking about with DEI were education programs on ramps that
were going to make the Department of Education do outreach

(01:47:59):
to bring African Americans in where they have been excluded,
where people in state legislatures and state agg departments simply
did not advertise and did not show all the resources same.
It mirrors the same issues on subprime loans, where people
that qualified for prime loans were not offered the prime loans.
They were forced into subprime loans although they had good credit,

(01:48:24):
and so the loans simple weren't being made available. The
Department of Agriculture has a lot of resources like that
that we should be tapping into.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
And doctor Zachary wanted to give you the opportunity to
ask questions also.

Speaker 15 (01:48:37):
Very quick, Representative Jackson, it's great to see you again,
my friend, and wonderful for you to join us. I
have a very quick question for you. I think it's
always important to kind of bring this in to kind
of wrap things up. So appreciative of you and our
sixt two members of the Congressional Black Caucus, the conscience
of the Congress. What can we do as regular citizens
to support the work and the vision that you and

(01:48:59):
Minor Leader.

Speaker 7 (01:48:59):
Jeffries have cast out.

Speaker 15 (01:49:01):
As you are fighting against these custs, you are fighting
to save diversity, equity, inclusion, You're fighting for the rights
of our migrants and brothers and sisters across the country,
especially knowing how Trump is planning to target our democratic
strongholds like Chicago.

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
What can we the people do to support you and
this work?

Speaker 14 (01:49:18):
Well, thank you so much. We have to make sure
I see the glasses half full. This is one part
of the worst of times, but it also I think
it is the best of times because you get to
see who people really are. People are showing their colors.
Certain corporations stood up for diversity, equity inclusions. Others that
did not want to be a part of it have

(01:49:39):
quickly abandoned. I hope people have participated in the no
Kings march. I would encourage everybody don't look back after
civil rights days. You're in the greatest era of the
civil rights challenges right now. We first have to make
sure are people getting registered to vote. Mister Trump did
not have a landslide. It was one and a half

(01:49:59):
percent margin to his victory. It was less than eight
hundred thousand votes within seven states. There were five million
people registered in just those seven states, not including the
people that were registered that did not go out to vote.
On average, it was thirty five forty voter participation and
turnout In some ways we lost by the margin of

(01:50:21):
people's despair. So I would say continue to educate to
let people know that they do have the power. This
bill that came out of the United States House of
represented on one big, brutal, ugly bill passed by one vote.
African Americans right now aren't being represented in the United
States Congress because Sheila Jackson Lee died and then Mayor

(01:50:46):
Turno became Congressman Turner he died, and Governor Greg Abbott
won't set a date for the election to put that
congressional seat back on the map. And that's one vote.
So every vote does count, And I would tell people
staying couraged, I don't tell people remember what happened in
the state of Georgia. We would not have Senator Ralphae L.

(01:51:06):
Warnock there except for those eleven thousand, seven hundred and
I think eighty two or eighty five votes. Every voted
count those eleven thousand students just in the Clark Atlanta
AU Center made the difference on having a United States Senator.
So we have the power now we have to continue
to vote our numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
All right, Thank you so much, Congressman Jackson. I really
appreciate you joining us to tonight, make sure you go
to this website Jonathan Jackson at dot house dot gov
for more information on what he has going on. Next week,
he'll be introducing the Major Tailor Gold Medal. At of course,
we want to make sure we talk about that. We're
gonna throw to a quick break. We'll be back here
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Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
All right, before we run out of time and we'll
go through our panel, give you opportunity. What was your
big takeaway from today and particularly these attacks on June Kent.
Let's start review, doctor Zachary.

Speaker 15 (01:53:13):
You know, the key takeaway is that we have to
continue to fight for our for our history. You know,
our ancestors built this country from the ground up and
as a result, we there descending us are owed a
debt of gratitude instead of being forgotten, being replaced, and
being erased. And that's exactly what we're seeing in the
Chip administration. And so we have to continue to fight.

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But more important to simply continue to fight, we have
to continue to educate and continue to teach our children
and the generations that are coming behind us the value
of who we are and our worth in this nation.
That's that's my key takeaway from here, and that's my
work in charge going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
So and Michael, you know, it appears the federal government
is now dedicated to the idea of wiping black folks
from history. What do you think the impact is that's
going to.

Speaker 13 (01:53:56):
Be Absolutely, this is Project twenty two twenty five. They're
trying to wipe out black behinds off of the political chessboard.
This is what we were telling these simple simon as Negros.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
What was going to happen June teenth.

Speaker 13 (01:54:08):
This is an opportunity to force into the national conversation
a history that Republicans are trying to erase that history
from the landscape of America. When we have our June
teen celebrations, we have to incorporate history, economics, law, and
politics and to them and June teenth took on a
new purpose after the death of George Floyd made twenty fifth,

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twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
This is why we're seeing this.

Speaker 7 (01:54:31):
This is one of the reasons why we're seeing this backlash.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Also.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Absolutely, you know, it's kind of what Bear Goldwater said
after the Civil Rights movement, this is the white lash.
This is the white lash after George Floyd and Matt
kind of on that point, what do we need to
do going forward? Since we've seen this attack coming.

Speaker 12 (01:54:49):
We need to tell them to say it with their
chests and be ready for the smoke, because all the
euphemisms are not hiding.

Speaker 14 (01:54:54):
What we know it is.

Speaker 12 (01:54:55):
It's racism. It's it's hate for us. That's why you
don't want to teach the tuskey ee airman to new
Air Force cadets. It's about racism and we need to
call it what it is. Just like that sister got
up and walked out, we need to make it uncomfortable
for people and call them out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Thank you so much to our panel today, Thanks so
much to all of our guests that we had on.
Thank you so much to the production crew that is
in the back making all this work and telling me
to go from camera to to camera three so I
don't look crazy. Gotta thank Roland for let me keep
his seat warming. Got to thank you the listeners and
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when Roland gets back, he sees there are thousands and
thousands of lights on here. And as I said, the
end of showing the words gills gott hearing, no matter
the consequences of their fears. To grip your senses, you've
got to hold on to your dreams. Hold on to
your dreams of America.

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