Shocking S.C. Ocean Blvd Shooting, Trump Ends Black Biz Aid & History Channel Omits Slavery

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Suffolk trans Friday, May thirty, twenty twenty five. Coming up
on roland markin unfother streaming live with the Blackstar Network.
A deadly shooting on South Carolina's Ocean Boulevard LEAs eleven
people injured, including teams and one person day at community
leader's question whether the dead suspect shopped eleven people for
police killed him. Tonight, we'll talk with an activist who

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is demanding answers twice impeach criminally convicted fellow in the
chief dental Ncan Trump moves to end the program has
helped black business entrepreneurs and others for a very long time.
This thirty seven billion dollar program under the Department of
Department of Transportation is in trouble because Trump's white nationally say, oh,

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it discriminates against the people that get ninety percent of
the federal contracts. Really, is that what we're doing. Also
on today's show, a young black conservative who came out
show a couple of years ago building a school in Georgia.
He's now mad and upset that a job program in

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his Georgia town has now been wiped out. He's demanding
local and state leaders replaced the money to save the jobs,
and he's demanding that if they don't do it, we
get new leadership. But he was the same one who
was skinned and grinned at Trump's Black History Month reception.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Guess who cut the money? Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oh, y'all know, I got a few words to say
about this. Also, what other future of Charles's schools in
this country? The Trump folks are very supportive of it.
You got a school choice passed in Texas, which really
is a scam. We're going to talk though, about this
from an African American point of view with the CEO

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of the National Charter Collaborative. So we look forward to
that in our Education Matters segment. And I told y'all
I was watching a History Channel. They were talking about
Texas independence. All this conversation literally no mention that slavery

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was the dominant reason for Texas independence. So why is
the History Channel pushing a document series that doesn't tell
the truth about history. I'm gonna talk to renowned historian
Gerald Horn, who wrote a book about Texas Independence the

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Speaker 1 (04:03):
Weeks after a chaotic night erupted in gunfire along Myrtle
Beach's busiest strip, leaving one person dead eleven injured, a
shaking of community continues to demand answers like who's bullet
injured several people, the suspect or the cops. Newly released
dash can video for Myrtle Beach Police shows the deadly
officer involved shooting that unfolded just after midnight on April

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twenty six along the popular Ocean Boulevard, when eighteen year
old Jerus Davis pulls out a gun fires four shots
into a crowd gathered on the sidewalk. Within seconds, Officer
Brandon O'Rourke returns fire, firing five rounds and family striking Davis.
The three officers involved were replaced on paid administrative leave
per policy. Brandon O'Rourke seven years on the cop, Mohammad

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l Hellwe two years as a cop, and Jeremiah Johnson
four years on the force.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
All have since returned.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
To duty as they continue their investigation, with a final
report expected by June two six. Joining us right now
is John Barnett, who is a civil rights activist who
is also Domandan accountability plus fifteen year old Serenity Shaves,
who was shot in the leg that night and is
speaking about what happened along with her mother, Kendra Myloyd.

(05:14):
Glad to have all three of you here. So first
of all, John, I want to start with you. This
is where I am so so you have this shooting,
did the what ballistics report has been done? So are
you and other suggesting that the people who were injured

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they were all not injured as a result of this shooter.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
That's correct, That's correct. Roland Martin, and again thank you
for having us on your show again. Yeah, this is
spring Break. Average age twelve to seventeen, apparently eighteen year
old had some bee for some words with some other
young Apple American males and he put out his gun.
Police stated that he begin to shoot. There was two

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or three officers behind him and they begin to shoot
at him, and unfortunately, eleven people were shot. My law
office hunter in average in Charlotte. I'm not a lawyer actress.
They accepted three of the cases, so there were multiple
people shot. Serenity is one. She's fifteen years old. She

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now is in a wheelchair. She's going back and forth
with the crutches. She lives in Laurenburg, North Carolina. She
doesn't even live in Myrtle Beach. The other family is
Miss Patricia her Son. His name is Avion. He's thirteen
years old. He was shot three times. He was walking
with his dad in front of his dad. His dad
also got graized by a bullet as well as Avion.

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Bullet was removed and the bullet was immediately taken to
slid in South Carolina. And the bullet in his arm,
they cannot take it out, mister Martin. They actually said
that if he remove it, it may mess up a nerve.
So you got a thirteen year old kid from martin Ville, Virginia.
Has a bullet in his body right now, because I
think of some carelessness of the shops, and I understand
they needed to disarm the individual or take him down,

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but just shooting in the crowd of you know, spring
break average aye twelve to seventeen. It's just a lot.
So we've been asked for answers. I asked before things
real quickly. I asked for the officers to be unpaid
lead because I think it's some carelessness going on and
that's why they're so quiet. It's happened April twenty six.
I asked for counseling for the eleven victims. Eleven people
were shot when they aspired to go to Motor Beach

(07:26):
for funnel cake and ride some amusement you know right,
you know the riots of the amusement park and enjoy
the water, and they came back home with bullets in theybody.
Second thing we asked for was a meeting with the
chief of police. She entertained it. Then she kind of
going back and forth and now Slid, so Slid wanted
to meet with me and they.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So, first of all, what people what people what a slid?
People don't know what that would have Slid.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Sorry, it's a special unit. It's like the SBI. Yeah,
a lot of people don't know what that is. Carolina,
we got the SBI, Georgia got the Georgia Investigative Services,
and there's the SLEDGE. So that's a higher department that's
supposed to investigate officers, officers in ball shootings in particular.
And two of the things I asked for was I think,

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asked for counseling actually unpaid lead. Asked for a meeting
with the chief, and for the bodycam to be released.
So after thirty three days, they had this big climax
that they're going to release the video on yesterday, and
the only showed a small video from the body cam,
not the body camp, from the dash can of the car.
So in Myrtle Beach is a very popular spot, one
of the most richest counties in South Carolina. It's probably

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the only tourist attraction in South Carolina because nobody goes
to South Carolina pretty much anything, even though I'm from there.
They have about two thousand cameras downtown mister Martin, they
have Marriott's, and they have coffee shops and it's like
literally the reporter told me they have two thousand cameras down,
so they just released just one and not show us.
What we asked for was the bodycam, which is the

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officers shooting in the crowd. If you have to get that.
And we know that that young man before he was
taken down, mean he rest in peace, eighteen years old.
We know that he didn't shoot all eleven peeple, and
those are the answers we're trying to get. And if
they're responsible for that, then they need to just say that.
And I think prolonging it is not a good thing.
I told them today as I closed, I can't go

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to NASCAR and shoot eleven white people and think I'm
going to go home. I'll be in jail right now,
especially if the kids are thirteen and fifteen years old.
I really believe I'd be in jail right now. And
that's a.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Fact, Serenity, that that obviously had to be a shocking,
stunning night. You're just trying to enjoy a night out.
The next thing you know, you're in the hospital. Yes, sir,
So what do you recall happening that night?

Speaker 7 (09:54):
I remember is me just standing there trying to go
into it was like a pizza place and they see
ice cream there too, and I remember me trying to
go in there, but the man closed the door in
my face.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
So then he was like closing the shot down.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
And I know, I just turned my back to go
like going towards all the hotels, and I just hear
gunshots and I just started running and I just hit
it like a strong wind, just hit the back of
my leg.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
But I'm still trying to run.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
And then I just looked down.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
And I just see a pad of blood everywhere, and
I just dropped and I started screaming for help, and
the officers came. There's the one that shot me stood
in front of me and told me that he was sorry,
and then that when I started hitting the turning thing,
and that's they took me to the hospital and they
stick that was it.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Again. So so the fact that you don't know who
shot you, was it, the suspect was of the cops
has to be unsettling. This is a fear a lot
of people have, have you know, cops interscurrently firing that
and then hitting other people and not the person.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
That's correct, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
How are you are you still? Are you still suffering
from injuries or you completely healed from the shooting.

Speaker 9 (11:19):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'm still on courts, still on crutches still. Uh well,
we certainly hate to have to hear that, and hopefully
y'all are able to get some answers real soon from this, uh,
because that has to be traumatic for anybody to have
to go through and endure. John final question, have they

(11:43):
given you all a sense of when they're going, uh
to wrap this up?

Speaker 10 (11:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
I told them it's gonna take sixty days, ninety days,
they told us. Within sixty it's been today. It's like
the thirty fourth day. Still no counselors, therapists for the
victims are partially released video I did. And what's interesting
is that two days ago I staged a press conference
and I said I wanted unpaid leave. I don't want

(12:11):
these guys sitting on the beach relaxing for thirty five
thirty four days. And ironically enough, just yesterday all three
officers have returned literally four to eight hours after our
press conference. So now they're back at work business as usual,
and so we're going to, you know, stay on their
backs and get some answers. But hopefully within the next
thirty days we should have something but in the process

(12:32):
of that, trinity has to go, you know, graduate with crutches.
Xavion is in Martinsville, Virginia. He's got a bullet in
his body. Kid's got to graduate and one of them
that's very sad. I've been in conversation with one mother
named Christy I believe her name is, and she said
her son was shot and he had a full scholarship.
I think he was shot in his side. So it's

(12:53):
very very traumatic experience for all of them, something they
never forget.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, we certainly appreciate it. Uh,
and let us know what happens next.

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Speaker 1 (13:14):
I certainly appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Thanks a bunch, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, folks, Let's talk about a case out of
North Carolina, attorney Ben Crump, Bacari Cellos and others involved
with that where you had a black man who was
shot and killed, Tyrone Mason. I'm sorry, sorry, he died
in a car crash. Now what's crazy is that the
DA is not trying to bring charges against the officers.

(13:41):
And so this is a story right here that is
from the Spectrum Local News iPad. So it says that
Mason's mother and others gathered, Uh, this took place the
other yesterday. They gathered there. They want justice. The investigation
revealed the two highway patrols state troopers lied about some

(14:02):
of the circumstances involving the chase and the deadly crash.
The DA decided not to charge the two troopers they
are on administrative leave. But his was crazy and first
of all, again a free he says he has freeman
decided not to charge the two troopers who were may

(14:23):
on administrative leave while the investigations on going and dropped
more than one hundred cases involving them. That's weird. Trump,
Crump and sellers are calling for the firing of the
two officers. And again, this man died in October seventh
in a single car wreck. And what's crazy is that

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the officers were caught on camera, caught on camera trying
to figure out how to lie about it. It says
he a Macario called in the crash after he said
he drove up on it, but investigators found that Macario
initially was not truthful with responding officers. They said Machario
had tried to pull Mason over for speeding, but Mason

(15:05):
accelerated and fled. Maccario initially gave chase, but then gave
up pursuit. They said Macario's supervisor Marrison and Viz Maccario
not to tell officers that he had tried to pull
Mason over, saying the crash quote sounds like Raleigh's problem.
Last Friday, somebody camera video was released and shows Maccario

(15:26):
talking to Raleigh police about the crash and not revealing
that he had been chasing Mason for speeding along Capitol Boulevard.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Hmm, isn't that something, folks?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
How many times have we seen this where cops will
be sitting here, lying, lying and then nothing happens. Michael
Mhotep joins US host African History Network show out of Detroit,
Matt Manning, civil Wright's attorney out of Corpus Christi, and
we also have Belinda Hall, actress and creator Black Voices
Heard Project out of La. So this is the thing

(16:02):
for me, Matt that really pisces me off. And I'm
just a firm believer in this. I don't care what
anybody says. I do not care what the investigation is.
I don't care if someone I don't care if someone
was injured, if it was if it was a misdemeanor,
if it was a felony, if someone was a shooting,

(16:23):
car crash, someone dies, if a cop lies, I believe
that should mean immediate and automatic termination.

Speaker 11 (16:34):
Yeah, but beyond that, I mean, look, they say, the
grand jury can indict a ham sandwich, right, It's very
easy to get an indictment. And in fact, I met
someone today who said on a grand jury that I
presented to I didn't remember him from that context, but
he mentioned to me he'd sat.

Speaker 12 (16:50):
On the grand jury.

Speaker 11 (16:51):
Meaning you know, people present to grand juries all the
time and they explain to them. The way it works
is the prosecutor goes in and the state is the
only entity that has the right to.

Speaker 12 (17:01):
Present to the grand jurors.

Speaker 11 (17:03):
I tell you that because what I don't understand about
this case is how they not only didn't terminate these guys,
but how they didn't go in and charge them with
the equivalent of, you know, false statement to law enforcement,
or it would be not really reperjury most likely because
it wasn't in the court context, but any kind of
dishonesty crime. That's why you have these crimes on the books.

(17:24):
And you know what's interesting in this case is normally
you see a prosecutor who's reticent to charge a police
officer where they have used deadly force or they've used
force right because they always lean on the idea.

Speaker 12 (17:35):
That it was quickly evolving.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
Maybe the officer had some reason that you know, he
or she readily believed that somebody was facing them with force.
This is not that circumstance. This is if you tell
the truth, you most likely just get in trouble for
an internal policy violation where your police department says we
don't give chase or we don't give chase after they
reach a certain point, you know, and then Raleigh takes

(17:59):
over at best, at worst, really what you're getting is
you're getting disciplined for potentially not having followed your department policy.

Speaker 12 (18:07):
But instead what you've done is lie.

Speaker 11 (18:09):
And I don't understand how this prosecutor is not getting
a lot more flack. Because this is the case where
it is easiest to hold law enforcement accountable. It doesn't
require you having some big political you know, profile and courage.
It just requires you to say you said X, and
that's easily provable to not be true. And because your
law enforcement we hold you to a higher standard, we're

(18:32):
therefore going to charge you with false reports of law
enforcement or obstruction of justice or something in that vein.
So I think that's the real tragedy here and dropping
the charges.

Speaker 12 (18:42):
You know, a lot of your viewers.

Speaker 11 (18:44):
May may not know this, but often when a police
officer is found to be dishonest, the prosecutor will do
that they will no longer take his or her cases
because they're no longer a credible witness. But the failing
I think here is not going a step further and
showing the community that you're going to hold an office,
are accountable when he lies in a material way. He
lied about something that led to this charge, or rather

(19:06):
this chase where this gentleman died, and all he has
to do is tell the truth, and at worst he's
in trouble for a policy violation. So I don't understand
how the prosecutor did not think this was the perfect
case to charge them for being dishonest where they were
easily able to disprove.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It, Melinda, is no shock to me because a lot
of das they don't like to charge cops because they
need cops for their other cases. This is the fundamental
problem that we see with local DA's. And then the
problem is now that you got this idiot in the
Oval office, they don't give a damn about holding cops
accountable on the federal level.

Speaker 13 (19:39):
Right right, And as you said before, we've seen cases
like this before. Cops try to fabricate situations to justify
their actions. And as you also just said, I was
going to mention, you know, Trump administration has already talked
about giving police officers full immunity for quote unquote doing
their job. So it does come into question when is
accountability going to be a part of the conversation. Is
honesty part of the job description at all anymore? So

(20:01):
I'm not unfortunately surprised by this. It just makes me
wonder how many more times we're going to see.

Speaker 14 (20:06):
This, Michael, Michael, Yeah, you know, this is a very
disturbing case. When you look at this looked at the
article from Spectrum News, the one hundred and eighty cases
involving this officer, Marcario were dropped by the prosecutor.

Speaker 15 (20:24):
So that right.

Speaker 14 (20:26):
There, that is that another investigation should follow that. And
then also his supervisor. From the same article, it said
the supervisor Marcario's supervisor advised Maccario not to tell officers
that he had tried to pull Mason over, saying the
crash sounds like Riley's problem.

Speaker 15 (20:46):
So to me, that sounds like.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
We'reholding evidence at the same time.

Speaker 14 (20:50):
Right, So this is this is mind boggling. But I'm
glad Benjamin Crump is on this case exposing this. And
this is in the era of Trump saying he's going
to unleash the police, which.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Was a campaign promise.

Speaker 14 (21:04):
He said that in April twenty twenty four in Wisconsin
on the campaign trail. Okay, and here's the permanent justice.
When they're backing out of consent decrees with Louisville and
another jurisdiction, this is opening the floodgates for the police
to think they can do whatever they want and get
away with.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh, that's exactly what it is. And so, folks, this
is why we do these stories. They need attention. Unfortunately,
you don't see a lot of this, and we saw
what happened with Ronald Green Louisiana when those state troopers
out about what happened to him, they claimed he died
in the car crash, when they actually viciously beat him
to death. And you have not seen justice serve in

(21:45):
that case as well. So that's exactly what we're dealing
with here, Folks got to go to break. We come
back education matters, saying we want to talk about the
future of charter school, specifically as it relates to African Americans,
and we'll talk about that. Plus ooh, a black conservative
in Georgia was scanning and grinning along with the other
members of the help at Trump's Black History Month reception.

(22:05):
Is now angry about a jobs program being shut down?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Who shut that down? Trump? Why ain't saying nothing about Trump?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I got something to say.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's time to bring the up.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
We'll be right back. Roland Mark on filtering the Black
Study Network.

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Speaker 1 (23:50):
Folks are in Oklahoma, they tried to launch a religious
charter school with the Supreme Court voted four to four.
As a result of that cannot move for just as
Amy Coney Barrett recused herself because she had a close
relationship with someone who was involved in that. As a
result that, as folks again talking about the future charter schools,

(24:13):
you have an administration that claims they support school choice.
You've got Republicans in Texas who just pushed through a
massive so called school choice bill that I actually called
a scam bill. And we're seeing this. There are lots
of issues that are around charter schools, the effectiveness of them,
but also the impact for African Americans. Naomi Shelton is
the CEO of the National Charter Collaborative. Glad to have

(24:36):
her here, so namely, first and foremost, the thing here
is that religious charter schools look that violates the separation
of church and state. But in reality, this is a
four to Ford decision. If somebody in a theother state
decides to open a religious charter school, that's gonna get sued,
It's going to go up, and Amy Coney Barrett Barrett

(24:58):
won't have to actually recuse herself. Do you predict that
in the future with this Supreme Court that they may
there will allow public tax dollars to be used to
launch very explicit religious charter schools.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Do I believe it's possible?

Speaker 17 (25:17):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Is that my hope? Of course not.

Speaker 18 (25:19):
I think we are all concerned about what happens when
these cases continue to jump back and forth from different states.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
But I think it's also.

Speaker 18 (25:27):
Important for us to know that this is a great
time to unify around talking about public education to a
broader audience.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
So it is a possibility.

Speaker 18 (25:36):
Yes, we know that they are not going to stop,
but it's about how we plan to address those issues
when they come back again.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
There are when this issue comes up, there are a
lot of people who are very emotional about this. I've
made it clear as somebody who launched school Choices, a
Black choice, that if there is, if there is, an
education system is set up that allow for us to
completely control the schools, control the contrast, control the curriculum

(26:06):
actually down for that. The issue that I have is
when people want to pimp school choice to get Black
people to support it, when in fact it is a
detriment to Black people and they don't actually support Black
people actually controlling the education of our children.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Speaker 18 (26:24):
We've had these conversations before, but I think it's important
that we understand that the federal protections that come along
with public education would be completely lost, so the most lable,
vulnerable learners, students with disabilities, and we know all the
challenges that come along come along with that for Black
families when it comes to serving students who need IEPs

(26:46):
et cetera. What I do know to be true is
that it is a possibility. But of course, if we
have the ability to control, that makes all the difference.
One of the things that colleagues and I are now
talking about is what does it look like to have
a research of K twelve schools in partnership with HBCUs
and so thinking through what does it look like to

(27:07):
have an HBCU create its own charter school that serves
no differently than a lab school or.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
A day school that used to be on those campuses.

Speaker 18 (27:15):
This that opportunity goes as far as how do we
make sure that it's possible for HBCUs to become.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Authorizers of charter schools?

Speaker 18 (27:23):
And so having that double layer of focus when it
comes to educational equity but also excellence means that there
are tons of opportunities that are right around the corner.

Speaker 19 (27:35):
And so.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Now I know Howard University had a relationship with the
charter school. Are there any other HBCUs that do? Oh?

Speaker 18 (27:46):
Absolutely, University of Delaware. There's a school that is going
to be opening this fall. It's still in college. So
there are tons of opportunities for us to see what's possible.
And I think it's important to just share more about
what the schools that are working with hbc is what
they are able to do. So those are not only
pipelines for students, but it's also pipelines for teachers. How

(28:09):
do we have teacher prep programs that are embedded in
those schools? Here in DC, more than half the students
attend public charter schools, and those schools offer anything from
Montessori to dual language djusted centered models. But what we
want to make sure is that if we are going
to control anything related to education in the K twelve space,
that we are actually in control of that from the

(28:31):
application even the approval of that application. Having black folks
and having HBCUs at the table would definitely add tremendous value.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Let's questions from our panel. I will start with Belinda first.

Speaker 13 (28:48):
Yeah, can you explain a little bit about how charter
schools would directly take funds from public schools when it
comes to school choice, just for people that may not
understand how that works.

Speaker 18 (28:57):
Sure, So I'll just clarify a few things. So it
is a widely known myth that charter schools are not
public schools. Charter schools are public schools in all of
the forty five states where they are legal, including the
District of Columbia. The funding is very similar to the
ways that school get schools in traditional districts for sea funds.

(29:20):
So those funds are allocated by student population and those
come from local and state and some federal dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Thank you, Matt.

Speaker 11 (29:31):
Yeah, So my question is about the equity of opportunity
to get into charter schools. So I know some schools
have different lottery procedures or different procedures where the students
are actually admitted. What are your thoughts about the current
climate we're in and how that might affect black access
to charter schools.

Speaker 18 (29:49):
So, just to clarify further, because I know that these
are all misconceptions, Charter schools have to follow open enrollment
laws and so they can't turn students away based on
test scores or background. They're free, public and open to all.
But we should also remember that there are schools that
students and or parents would choose because of the curriculum

(30:11):
that they offer, because of the special programs, and so
having the ability to select those different public school options
makes it easier for parents where it is where charter
schools are available to choose the programs that work best
for their students.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
What I know for sure, and I can say this
as a former.

Speaker 18 (30:30):
Authorizer here in the district, is that we hold people accountable.
If you are excluding students because of disabilities, if there
are issues around race and equity, those are things that
either that schools direct board or the charter board or
the authorizer, and that jurisdiction can manage.

Speaker 14 (30:50):
Michael all right, Naomi, can you explain the difference between
charter schools and independent schools? The reason why, ask hearing Detrade.
In the late eighties early nineties, we saw African centered
charter schools that were created and a lot of them
don't exist today, and you have this debate between whether

(31:12):
they we should do charter schools or independent schools.

Speaker 18 (31:15):
So, of course with independent schools that funding formula is
very different. A lot of that is philanthropic dollars in
other ways that they find funds where traditional districts receive
funds and public charter schools receive funds directly from the
state and locale. That being different. There are also other
supports or other things that come along with a charter

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school versus an independent school, be it the type of accreditation, etc.
All of those things impact what's possible there. But when
it comes to charter schools, what I have appreciated about
the space is the ability to have folks dream up
the possibilities.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Possibilities like you.

Speaker 18 (31:56):
Said, having an Afro centered school, having a social justice
focused school, having a school that's thinking about the arts, humanities.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Those are things that we can build for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Okay, are you seeing in this climate? Are we seeing?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I mean, obviously, when it comes to the notion of
school choice, you have far more Republicans that are believing
in that, But again, they want it for a different reason.
For me, I believe many of them wanted for white
suburban parents. They want to open those flood dollar the
flood gates for them to go to private schools. And
we also know that those private schools, they're not increasing
the seats. And so the people we know from Arizona,

(32:35):
the people that have taken advantage of these programs, and
people who are already sending their kids to private school
and so so, but are you seeing African Americans see
this as an opportunity for us to be But like,
if the system is gonna get like, if it's going
to get put in place, are you seeing black folks
say okay, fine, now let's step in and let's control

(32:56):
the education for our kids.

Speaker 18 (32:58):
So I would say yes, Alabama has a very excited
community that is building and growing. There that groundswell around
starting schools with HBCUs, but also watching other black people
create schools and be successful. I believe in the last
seven or ten years that Alabama's had the law to
approve charter schools, I would say more than eighty percent

(33:21):
of those schools are homegrown and or founded by someone black.
So there's always an opportunity. People see the chance to
do this. If they see someone success to it successfully,
that increases that chance. But what I do want to
point out is that everything right now just feels like
it's in limbo because of where the administration is. We

(33:43):
received an increase in the charter school program, which is
the federal funding that goes towards charter schools, their incubation, etc.
But that money being on the table doesn't matter if
it doesn't get to black people because of whatever is
happening at the state level.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
And of course too, if people are.

Speaker 18 (34:01):
Saying I'm nervous because of the political state state in
my hometown, if they're worried about what that looks like
not only the backlash and being aligned with the GOP,
but also what people's perceptions are about the charter space.
So it's almost like we're still getting a push and
pull because of the current climate. But I know of

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at least four schools in the South that are in
discussion and or planning to open in the South.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
The issue that I have was happening in Alabama is
that the people who are in support of school choice
and charters spent a lot of money trying to get
that law change, and then they left, they abandoned the state.
And so and I've held town halls there. We held
town halls in Montgomery and Birmingham and Selma. And again,

(34:52):
the fact that that law has now been passed for
several years and only two schools have been.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Launched, back to me, is a problem.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
And so are seeing are you seeing are you seeing
the charter school movement, these various funders, these organizations. Are
you seeing them put an emphasis on the state to
be able to walk people through the process, be able
to help them with their applications, help them with their curriculum,
and they're governing and things along those lines. Back to me,

(35:21):
I saw that firsthand, and that actually pissed me off.

Speaker 18 (35:25):
No, So I want to clarify that Alabama now has
I believe, eighteen schools, and that's just in that short
window of time. What I am seeing is an interest
from philanthropy. I know that I've been in conversations with
some philanthropic partners that are putting money into this space,
but also recognizing that there are other issues that we

(35:47):
have to address in public education in terms of where
NAPE scores were, etc. So there's that on the philanthropic side,
and then what's happening in Alabama. Alabama is also an
example of where incubation is a part of what the
charter school organization, the Charter Support Organization there so New
Schools for Alabama is focused on not only the support

(36:09):
of the existing schools, but anyone that is looking to
incubate an opportunity that in and of itself, and what
is happening with HBC used there is happening because of that,
because of that Charter Support organization, we have the same
thing and it looks a little different. But here in
DC we also have folks that work on incubation of
schools and what does it look like to continue that

(36:32):
support beyond that. Organizations like mine, the National Charter Collaborative
also supports single site charter leaders of color. We work
directly with small, small networks anything less than five schools,
to not only think about building community for them, but
also the capacity of those leaders to sustain themselves, which
then gives again people the opportunity to see that that

(36:55):
is happening and that is something that they can also pursue.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Question. I have been asking this question for years and
nobody can seem to give me an answer. How many
black not black run how many black controlled charter schools
are there in America? And what state has the most?

Speaker 18 (37:17):
So I would say, data wise, because of revocations, et cetera,
this number is probably going to change. But in terms
of black, brown, and Indigenous led schools there.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't want to know brown, I don't want to
know indigenous. I want to know black.

Speaker 12 (37:34):
So there are.

Speaker 18 (37:36):
Seventy five percent of the schools that are led by
people of color are led by black people. So I
could do the math for you, but I was an
English major, so I'll say overwhelmingly the number of schools,
which is in the high five hundreds, seventy five percent
of those are run by black people.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
No, Okay, Now, again, this is where this work when
you say run by black people, I'm talking about are
black people controlling the school?

Speaker 18 (38:05):
I would say an overwhelming number of those schools are
also black controlled. You could see Friendship public charter schools
here in DC, the schools that I named in in
the South, I know Clarksdale Prep which is in the Delta, Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
That school is black run.

Speaker 18 (38:23):
And a lot of these schools are not only black run,
but run by HBCU graduates. You see that their boards
are consist overwhelmingly of black people.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
So, yes, they do exist. I will actually get those
numbers for you.

Speaker 17 (38:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And the reason I think is important to get those
numbers is because that's also a part of this whole piece.
Because what I believe is I believe you have to model.
And so when I and again I have traveled this
country dealing with dealing with this, I've been the Sacramento,
I've been to Tulsa. I've been to Houston, been the Dallas,

(38:56):
been to Alabama. We've been to Georgia, We've been in Philadelphia,
We've been to Florida, in all different places in Indianapolis.
And the problem that I see, and I say this
all the time, that one of the reasons charter schools
fail is because they fail from the outset. They fail
with weak governance, they fail with weak financial controls, they

(39:19):
fail with weak curriculum, and they fail with weak leadership.
And so I've always believed that what needs to happen
is you need to have individual people and people and
institutions that this is what they do, they know how
to say from the outset, how do we ensure from
the beginning.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
That you have a strong program, a strong foundation.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
To be able to build from. And then they need
to be able to look to existing schools, high performing schools,
high performing charter networks to know how to model. So
if you're looking for a black male successful school, then
I believe your organization be able to say, okay, go here,

(40:04):
here here. And then also when we talk about the
funding issue, that's issue for me is that a lot
of these funders want to keep funding high performing schools,
which I get. What the problem is, a low performing
school never goes to admit and the med never goes
to a high because they're being star financially. And so
talk about that, what are you saying to funders? And

(40:28):
let's be real clear, ninety nine percent of white that look,
if you truly believe in charter schools, then you have
to put in the resources to get a school to
go from low to med and then med to high.
It can't just be keep funding only the high performing schools.

Speaker 18 (40:45):
So having been on multiple sides of this equation, so again,
I was an authorizer here in TC, so of course
was able to review applications, visit schools, talk to folks
interested in developing schools, but there are a ton of
things that are wrapped around that. I've also worked for
a large charter network, one of the largest in the country,

(41:07):
and one of the reasons that I do the work
that I do now is because I had been at
the authorizer's seat to see what happens when you don't
support schools, when schools don't have a strong start, and
making sure that if they aren't able to get their
feet under them, what organizations do they we need to
connect them with. So my organization was founded in twenty
sixteen because of the very thing you're talking about. Disproportunately,

(41:32):
black schools and brown run schools are the ones that
are closed, and usually those are schools that are single
site or community driven schools. So there are incubation programs,
of course, but my organization also has a fellowship that
allows for folks that are pretty much siloed in their city, state,
or region and connecting them with other leaders. So nine

(41:54):
other leaders are total of ten leaders having the opportunity
to share best practice, to do commune of practice and
think about what are the professional development needs that they
have and evolving that over time.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
We also do make those.

Speaker 18 (42:08):
Direct connections with schools because of the work I've done
on the authorizer side and now on the support side,
having folks reach out to me to say, hey, if
you know of any Montsori schools, we'd love to get
connected with them. Making sure that the folks that are
doing this work are doing it with not only fidelity,
but also with the spirit of having a community focused school.
And I'd also like to say that in the case

(42:30):
of what I say to funders, it is really focused
on if we want to demonstrate that charter schools are
a viable option for families, we have to make sure
that we are supporting the ones that reflect the communities
that they want to serve. Time and time again, have
those conversations not only from the seat that I sit

(42:52):
in now having worked for a large network and being
an authorizer, just thinking about what does it look like
to make sure that the cubation that they receive has
that extra layer of understanding of the community that's available
to them. So oftentimes I'll have folks like the DC
Alliance or the authorizer here having me talk to budding

(43:14):
school leaders and talk to and have regular engagement with
existing leaders to talk about where and how they can
be helpful.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Last point here in that is, and I have been
very vocal about this here. I believe that if you
do good, then you continue to do good, and if
you do bad, your ass gotta go. I have said
to a room full of white charter folk at the
National Charter Alliance National Convention that my greatest problem is
that y'all don't call out trash as horrible charter schools

(43:47):
that are doing a disservice, the kind of charter schools
that are paying leaders three four five hundred thousand dollars
and they're only over five hundred, one thousand, two thousand students,
and how they are basically suffocating, scamming and cheating these
kids out of the money. And so how do you
articulate that as well, because and I'm very clear, not

(44:10):
all traditional schools need to stay open because they are
cheating our kids out of education. And if there are
horrible charter schools that are right now, they got to go.

Speaker 18 (44:23):
I've had that conversation with large operators at that conversation
several years ago when someone in Texas bought a jet right,
So being clear about what it is that we need
to say cannot happen, which also goes back to the
conversation around authorizing schools. So those authorizing bodies, those folks
that are making decisions about who stays open, who closes,

(44:44):
It means that they have to have people on those
boards that understand the communities, understand what the needs are
and what's not being met or what is being met.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
And so having black.

Speaker 18 (44:54):
People serve on charter school authorizing boards makes a huge
difference in terms of like call folks at the part.
I myself have done that multiple times, and especially with
larger operators who have not kept promises to community members
of course students and families, but not stay true to
their charter agreement. And so authorizers are the first line

(45:16):
of defense for that. I always encourage people if there's
an option and an opportunity for you to serve on
a board. Please do so, be it the authorizing body
or be it a school itself, because the flags go
up and the school's board, that board of directors is
responsible for any of the issues that happen there, and
so making sure that people are prepared to do that

(45:36):
effectively so that they can raise the flag and get
people connected to organizations that can help them do turn around.
But most importantly, and who holds folks accountable for staying
open or having their doors closed is an authorizer. And
without having people at the table who understand our communities,
authorizing is just again something that is white controlled that

(45:57):
we don't see that we are not able to navigate.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Indeed, indeed, all right, we appreciate it. Thanks a Buch
and continue good luck.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Thank you so much. You have a good one.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Likewise, sorry, folks, let's talk about this program here. We
always talk about the money. Follow the money. Well, the
Trump administration is moving to dismantle a landmark federal program
that has supported minority in women owned businesses for more
than four decades. This could have major consequences for black
entrepreneurs and the people that work for them. The Department
of Justice has filed a proposed settlement to end the

(46:32):
thirty seven billion dollar Disadvantage Business Enterprise Program. It allow
case at least ten percent of federal transportation funding to
firms owned by historically marginalized groups. The move comes after
two white owned Indiana construction companies soe the Department of
Transportation twenty twenty three, arguing that their DVE program was

(46:52):
unconstitutional and a minitude discrimination against non minority businesses.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Now, mind you.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Cent of the seven hundred billion dollars in federal contract
goes to white people and other minority in women business enterprises.
White women get seventy eight percent of that. No shock,
Donald Trump administration sided with the white plane, is stating

(47:23):
that the programs race in gender based requirements quote can
no longer pass constitutional scrutiny in light of recent Supreme
Court decisions, which is actually bullshit. If a federal judge
approves the settle, that the DVE program would be permanently dismantled,
putting in risk the loudlihoods of forty nine thousand minority

(47:45):
in women owned businesses that rely on these contracts to
grow and compete in the seven hundred and fifty nine
billion dollar transportation sector. Matt. This is why this is bullshit.
They are trying to take the Supreme Court decision regarding
race and admissions applied to everything. That's bullshit, Matt. The

(48:09):
Supreme Court is on record as laying out the parameters
of affirmative action in contracting in previous decisions. So this
college admissions ruling should have no bearing on the other
programs which the Supreme Court has already established. President. Now,

(48:31):
they can always overturn that precedent, but to say that
the college admissions Supreme Court decision now impacts every other
is alive.

Speaker 11 (48:42):
Which is exactly why they're framing it this way, to
try to extend or modify the law. There's a rule
in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that says you
can try to modify existing law in certain circumstances, and
that's what they're trying to do.

Speaker 12 (48:55):
They're trying to graft that upon.

Speaker 11 (48:57):
Any issue or there is a racial component to it,
or they think there's an affirmative action component to it,
and they're trying to take that logic and attack every
single thing at Edward Bloom, which we know he's doing
and others behind that movement are doing.

Speaker 12 (49:12):
And I have really three thoughts on this. The first
is I had a conversation this week.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
I didn't realize that she had said this, but Nicolehanna
Jones apparently said something I think very profound that's appropriate here.
She said, what you're seeing is you're seeing the language
of civil rights obviously being co opted by white plaintifs
trying to turn things on their head.

Speaker 12 (49:30):
And that's exactly right, because if you look at this complaint.

Speaker 11 (49:33):
In this complaint, they cited that quote disfavored groups are
being disadvantaged by quote preferred racial groups. It's crazy that
they would frame it that way because they're calling the
white people here disfavored. But just like you said, the
imbalance is so egregious, I mean, ninety percent of that
seven billion dollars is going towards white firms. Then it

(49:54):
stands the reason that is de facto the favorite group.
So to use that language is to turn it on
its head and to try to extend that law. But
the other thing about it that's bogus is that the
Trump administration is apparently on record in this court filing
saying that this was patently unconstitutional now Roland. Every daily

(50:15):
week they file some asinine lawsuit that is patently unconstitutional,
or really he files an executive order that on its
face is unconstitutional.

Speaker 12 (50:25):
We're seeing the courts continue to say they're doing things unconstitutional, and.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
They're talking out the other side of their head at
this time when they say that this is unconstitutional, and
that's why they're ending the program. So there's not only
cognitive dissonance, but there is flat out dishonesty because they
choose to do things that are unconstitutional when it's ideologically
consistent with what they want to do, and otherwise they're
trying to beat the drum the other way, and you
cannot have that.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Michael. You remember this bullshit right here. The Platinum Plan,
the opportunity by achieving historic employment levels with black and
martat because as.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Well increasing access to capital for new businesses.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Trump has been committed to ensuring all Black Americans can
achieve the American dream. Remember he claimed three million new jobs,
creating five hundred thousand new black owned businesses, increase access
to capital and black communities by almost five hundred billion,
blah blah blah blah blah, all the little Black economic
empowerment and access to capital. Oh, I'm gonna do all

(51:25):
of these things, and this that and the other, and
oh look at this here, Oh my goodness, fueling access
to capital for black owned businesses. Oh, look at this here,
he said, Hume, make the Minority Business Development Agency permanent
opponents leader to the Assistant Secretary of Commerce level, create
a sub office of African American Affairs, and engage with

(51:46):
private secretary advisors to ensure real world plans and solutions. Oh,
look at this here. Increase the number of black owned
contracting businesses, financial services entities, and private equity investment through
regulatory reform, and up to forty billion dollars in Oh
and up to forty billion dollars in government funding alongside

(52:09):
traditional private investment. Oh that was all of the things
that he was sitting here touting that he was going
to be doing. Again. Boy, I'm good. Oh look at
this right here. He said he was gonna seek infrastructure
funding that will lead to widespread growth in the angle
five hundred billion federal contracting opportunities. Look at this year,

(52:30):
grow minority owned businesses with additional tax cuts to stimulate
hiring an investment. We said it then, and then all
these Negroes or ice Cube, he met with the Trump people,
and y'all, disk Cube, what did I say to Ice Cube?
They full of shit? Que don't buy the bullshit? Qube
they lion? We said that. We called it out and

(52:53):
all these little negroes, and I'm gonna talk about some
of them the help. I call them the help. And
that's right. I'm talking about you. I'm Michayla Montgomery. I'm
talking about you. Sharis Lane, I'm talking about you, Pastor
Darryl Scott. I'm talking about David Harris. I'm talking about
King Randall. I'm talking about Joseph Pinon. I'm talking about
Terrence Williams. All you simple simon negroes who are at

(53:18):
the White House Black History Month reception, y'all just skinning
and grinting. Y'all just happen to be in the house thinking,
y'all doing boots on the ground when they were sitting
here tap dancing on your goddamn heads.

Speaker 14 (53:34):
You know, you know, Roland, I call that the fools
gold Plan. We talked about this on your show October
twenty twenty. That's when I made my first appearance. I've
been on your show for five years. I call that
the fool's gold Plan. Donald Trump basically didn't do any
of that stuff in his.

Speaker 15 (53:51):
First term in office. Keep in mind, he had four
years to do all that.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
He basically did none of that. And he just signed
an executive order at.

Speaker 14 (54:00):
The end of March twenty twenty five to kill the
Minority Business Development Agency that he promised in the bullshit
Platinum Plan that he was going to make permanent.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (54:11):
And when you look at the conversation that we just
had with Naomi, you look at that Supreme Court ruling
twenty twenty three, Supreme Court ruling that struck down affirmative
action in college admissions. They're using this to as one
of the tools to get all these programs that were
partially beneficial for African Americans, whether we talk about the

(54:33):
thirty seven billion dollars program, the disadvantage of business Enterprize program.

Speaker 15 (54:39):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (54:40):
And then you saw on the Platinum Plan he talked
about the infrastructure bill. Every other week was infrastructure week
in the Trump In the first Trump administration, he couldnot
get the infrastructure bill passed. But you know who got
one pushed through, Biden Harris one point two trillion dollar
infrastructure bill. In this thirty seven billion dollars is distributed.

(55:02):
That's part of it's distributed in that one point two
trillion dollar infrastructure bill. So when you go through and
I encourage all the people that you just named Google,
how have the policies of the Biden Harris administration helped
the black community? When the documents that comes up is
about a thirty six page document that takes you through
all these the fastest growth of black owned businesses in

(55:24):
the last thirty years happened under the Biden Harris administration.
When you look at the also ten billion dollars in
government contracts. Okay, in twenty twenty three, ten billion dollars
in government contracts went to African American owned businesses. Now,
even though that was only about one point seven percent
of all government contracts, that's the record amount.

Speaker 15 (55:43):
We didn't get that under the Trump Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
But say again, their whole deal here, Melinda, is to
shut it all down. And I ain't sitting here saying
where the fans at. I'm saying where the FBAI we
to b one at, Where all y'all negroes come on.
Here's what I want to know, Philip Scott Jason Black,

(56:11):
Come on, Vikey Dillon, Vikey Dilan, come on, come on,
what's the other boy with little documentaries? I forgot his
little name. All y'all, all them negroes, yr vote ain't
gonna do nothing.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It ain't gonna do nothing, it ain't gonna achieve nothing.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Really, and HESA said, hold on, hold up, where your
puck ass at? Boys, Watkins all y'all ran, y'all miuths,
y'all was shitting on Kamala, shitting on Biden. Y'all was
sitting there, all of y'all nonsense. And we told y'all
voting has an impact and so and then y'all running.

(56:47):
So a lot of same negroes. Yeah, I specifically becau see.
Normally I don't even say nothing about his sorry trifling ass,
but I'm gonna go ahead and say it. All this
bullshit boys wakings after Trump inauguration, we're focused on black
owned businesses, building black owned businesses, supporting black owned businesses.
Will please tell me this. If your ass can't get

(57:08):
access to federal contracts and your ass can't get state contracts,
then they're gonna target county contracts. Then they're gonna target
city contracts and school dish to contracts. What ass gonna get? Oh,
I'm sorry because when they also shutting down d I,
now you can't get corporate.

Speaker 8 (57:23):
So let me.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I just want to know all of y'all h support
black owned businesses, negroes who shit it on Harris and
saying damn her and you and I ain't safe vote
for Trump. But that's what you was saying indirectly. I
just want to know if to shut down this program

(57:49):
forget the contracts. So again we're seeing loss of contracts
in corporate, loss of contracts in federal Republicans are controlling
the red states where black people are. So what do
you think they're going to do next? In Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee,
South Carolina. Republicans controlled North Carolina legislature, which is gonna

(58:13):
happen in Arkansas? Where you think? So I saw all.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I'm trying to understand.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
We see, but we would call shields, we would call
a kiss up to the Democratic Party. See all you
so called want to be fake ass radicals, super dupid revolutionaries.
Here's what I want to know. Every black person can't
sell incense. Every black person can't have a T shirt business.

(58:41):
Every black person can't sit here. So I just want
to know what businesses do y'all think black people can
actually create. And here's the reality that nobody wants to
own up. The United States economy is a thirty zillion
dollar economy. Black people do not have enough money to

(59:07):
solely fund black people. It's just a fact. If black
spending trial spending power is one point six trillion, and
if we know that most Americans are spending half of
their income on housing, boom one point six is now
cut to eight hundred billion. So we ain't got the food,

(59:28):
we ain't got the clothes, we ain't got to any
of that stuff as well. So the point I'm saying
is you cannot grow a black business sector if you're
only serving one community. And when you're getting xed out.
And now we're talking engineering firms, architecture firms. Now we're

(59:48):
talking about contracts with DoD Now we're talking about contracts
with every federal government agency. Please tend what's going to happen.
But we were shields. We were sitting here. Oh, we
were on the plantation. Oh, we were sitting here and
kissing up the Kamala. All this shit has happened and
we ain't even hit the six month mark of this

(01:00:10):
white supremaciy administration.

Speaker 13 (01:00:11):
Mm hm, well, there are a couple of things I
want to respond to. First, Michael, I do love that
you did point out how Trump did not do anything
in those four years in regards to the Platinum Plan,
and that's also the excuse that people used for Kamala,
but they didn't give her the chance when she wasn't
even president in the first place.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
So I do love that you pointed that out.

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
But I think that this is a clear move to
obviously block black people specifically, but also women and minorities
from just achieving any form of economic success. It's just
the way to strip away the port that we need
to level the playing field, because they don't want us
to level the plain field, and they want to caslight
us to make it seem like we can't we don't

(01:00:49):
have enough, that we don't have the infrastructure, we don't
have the good businesses, so wait continue to control us.
And the reality is that we've had generations of exclusion
and discrimination that have kept us from allowed in our
black businesses to succeed. And that's exactly why they are
getting rid of this help, because they don't want us
to surpass them in any way. They don't want us
to achieve any form of success.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Do all y'all on the show? Do y'all remember? Let
me just go ahead and pull this up, because I
think a lot of people just seem to forget. So
just in case anybody's sitting here and seeing, you know,
I don't know about all that roll, let's go to
my iPads. See if y'all go right now to YouTube
and type in Roland Martin defund Black America.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
You are going to see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
These are the segments that we did, we've done thus
far where I said Trump wants to defund Black America. Oh,
I laid it all out. I'm sorry, what is this
right here? Oh? This is called white fear. How the
browning of America is making white folks lose their minds.
Everything in this book I've been saying since two thousand
and nine. The book was published in twenty twenty two.

(01:01:55):
You can get it on audible as well. Oh, I'm sorry,
what was I say? In this book? They're going to
be attacking every single economic program that black people have
been able to participate in. Oh, let me be real clear.
I'm not saying those programs have been amazing, have been great,
have been wonderful. My point is they actually exist. Last
point I make before I go to break this is

(01:02:17):
also for you simple siding some bitches out there who
were sitting here talking all this shit, calling all us out.
We'll seeing, we'll see all that stuff that ain't got down,
that ain't got down to the brother and the sister
in the hood. That's also a lie because you know what,
when you own a black owned business, you're likely gonna
be employing black people. That means somebody not only is

(01:02:39):
a VP or COO, some a salesperson. They also might
be an assistant or a receptionist. That means that they
now have a job, and they are also funding other
family members. It also means that where else are you
gonna go? Oh, those same black owned businesses are funding
Black Institute US. Those same black owned businesses are creating

(01:03:03):
economic opportunities and funding HBCUs. They are tithing in churches,
they are supporting black organizations. Oh, I'm not talking just
about the Divine nine. I'm not talking just about Alpha
and AKA and Delta and Omega and Kappa and the
all of Divine nine. I'm not talking just about Prince
Hall Mason. I'm not talking just about the Links or

(01:03:24):
Jack and Jail or the top Ladies of distinction. See all,
y'all punk ass, Oh the Black bulaid, the Black Bulaid.
Y'all don't know shit about black people. Y'all don't know
shit about how black people. How things are funded in
the black community, and the underpinning of the black middle

(01:03:47):
class and the black lower class has literally been access
to contracts. On top of that, it has been access
to jobs in government, federal government, state government, city government,
county government, school district government.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
So what then happens when you begin.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
To whack those particular jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
What begins to happen when.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
You whack those jobs? Oh, I'm sorry, They start getting
laid off. Oh I'm sorry. What then happens? Their kids
now can't go to school? What then happens? They now
have to file for unemployment insurance because they don't have
a job. And we're seeing that right now. So it's
called the downstream effect, the downstream impact of all of

(01:04:40):
these different things. And all y'all simple signs, Oh I
remember Umar saying that vote ain't gonna get you nothing, really, okay,
gotcha all y'all? What's all them people? Y'all listen to
all running their miles, feeding feeding the algorithm, feeding on

(01:05:03):
Instagram and TikTok and Twitter and Facebook and YouTube. Y'all
sitting and gone, see you are sellout? Say yeah, you
a sellout. You will sell out. And we told y'all glasses,
this was gonna happen. We've told you exactly what they
want to, tach. And here's the worst part. They fucking
told you to. They gan your ass a nearly one

(01:05:23):
thousand page document, and they told you were coming after
all your shit, and y'all run the fuck around which live?
Oh talking back Wall Street, Back Wall Street. Oh yeah,
we need to get back to black Wall Street. Well
tell me this here, how you gonna build some shit
without some contracts? See y'all the same simple signs, Oh yeah,

(01:05:45):
or walk. So you got three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars from the Kamala campaign, and your lord, you got that.
It's called advertising. You know who also got advertising? Disney, Comcast, Sinclair,
I could go down the damn line all media companies
live on advertising.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So if I got a media company, I can't get advertising,
So I'm supposed to do shit for free? Run asks
for free? Really? So when Netflix is running ass on
a Fox, what sonig Fox get to charge them for asking?
I can't charge them for asks? Is that how this works? Oh?
I'm sorry? So how did we just buy our new
vehicle for two hundred and seventy six thousand dollars? How
do we pay for the insurance for twenty thousand dollars
a year? Oh it's coming from advertising contracts that shits

(01:06:26):
called business. So Ken, we just go ahead and cut
to the chase. The real reason that people are talking
to all this shit A bunch of them simple signons
because they actually don't have businesses. They be talking about
opening schools now for a decade, said, She said, I'm
going there because see, this is what happens when you
listen to people who don't know shit. They talked about

(01:06:47):
I saw a video earlier and a sister did she
just killed me with the video, she said. Don't y'all notice,
she said, very few people go from employee to entrepreneur.
She said, yo, ass was never a middle manager. You
ain't never seen a P and L statement. You ain't
never seen a damn spreadsheet. But now you want to
be an entrepreneur because you think a business card says CEO.

(01:07:08):
Now you the boss, and now you're running some shit.
No that ain't the case. Oh I know somebody's sitting
and saying, damn dall you on one, Yeah, I'm on one.
Because we told you, dumb asses, what was gonna go down.
We told you what they were doing. We told you
that they were pissed with the advancements of black America.
We told you they did not like twenty forty three
and the Estivates singing America's gonna be a nation majority

(01:07:30):
of people of color. We told y'all that. So that's
why they hate the Haitians in Springfield. That's why they
can't stand black and brown immigrants coming into this country
because they like, nah, nine this hour shit. We told
y'all what. The scene from the movie of The Good
Shipper went Homeboy, when Matt Damon said, when Joe Pesciy said,
we got this, and they got this what y'all got,

(01:07:50):
they said, we got the unitsitty of America. The rest
of y'all just visited, but a lot of y'all chose
to listen to chaos as agents.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Who are grossly ill informed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
And what are they doing? They snatching it all? What
did we just tell y'all? They want to permanently, permanently
get rid of the disadvantaged Business Enterprise program?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yep, do you now understand that you wipe that out?

Speaker 10 (01:08:28):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Please tell me how you gonna compete for contract? You
do know that under Trump they rebundle contracts. So as
oupposed to having ten ten million dollar contracts which you
were then able to compete for, they no, make that
one one hundred million dollar contract. Now you can't compete.

(01:08:53):
Oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Where did that unbundtly come from?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
That's from MAINA.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Jackson. That's from Atlanta, you know, the city where black
people are getting point zero zero one two percent of
all contracts. Nineteen seventy two. He became mayor ninety seventy three.
So what do he say, it's unbundled contracts to allow
in African America to become a prime contractor what does
that mean? Well, because the rules say I cover city government,
y'all cover county government. I saw how they actually wrote

(01:09:18):
the rules of various proposals. Yes, I actually saw how
they were written, and they would say, you cannot be
it on a prime contract unless you have been a
prime contractor. So therefore, if you are only a subcontractor,
you never can be it on a prime contractor Maynard

(01:09:39):
Jackson in Atlanta they changed that where they said, Okay,
we're gonna break the contracts up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
You now can come. We're gonna call them ten prime contracts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
You now can be it on a prime and if
you bid on a prime and win it one time,
you now can now compete for prime.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Contracts in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
But y'all keep lit to the simple simons who call
us shields, who say we're the boulet, who say we
talk down to regular ordinary people and understand they literally
have no idea what the hell they're talking about. And
they got a lot of y'all fooled listening to them,

(01:10:19):
and y'all just repeat phrases as if and then you say,
oh yeah, y'all are over there talking down to people. Okay, please,
by all means, tell me what's gonna happen when a
thirty seven billion dollar initiative it's wiped out where you're

(01:10:43):
gonna go. That's why y'all gotta support this show. That's
why y'all gotta watch this show. That's why y'all gotta
not listen the folk who know they're talking about because
I'm telling y'all. I'm telling y'all, and it's real simple.
How many of these same shows talking about this very story.
I'll wait, and what are they saying? I'll wait, They

(01:11:09):
ain't saying nothing. They feed you a bunch of bullshit. Now,
maybe you can subsist on bullshit going right ahead, because
for me, last I check, what you in just is
what you output. So therefore, if you d just bullshit,
you gonna output bullshit. You're our bringing Funk fan Club.

(01:11:30):
We do this every single night, and it's this show
in others because this is about getting real information so
you can understand the attacks that are going on. And
there is a clear and present danger, and that is
a racist asshole who is sitting in sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue,
who is causing massive destruction to not only present day America,

(01:11:51):
present day Black America, but they simply want to provide
more destruction for the next fifty to one hundred years
of Black America. We have to be on with the
information and know how.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
To fight it.

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Oh my god, Oh my god. A black conservative who

(01:12:43):
brought his ass on this show selectively edited the segment
to raise money for his school in Georgia is now
complaining about a jobs program being cut and he's now
demanding leaders fix it when the person who cut it
was Trump and his ass was happy to see him

(01:13:05):
get elected.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Oh, I'm coming back with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
The CVS receipts for King Randall's ass.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
I'll be back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
On the next Get Wealthy with Me Deborah Owens.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
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how to bring it to life?

Speaker 13 (01:13:27):
Well, it's all about turning problems into opportunities.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
On our next Get Wealthy, you'll.

Speaker 13 (01:13:33):
Learn of a woman who identified the overload bag syndrome.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
And now she's taking that money to the bank through global.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Sales and major department stores.

Speaker 20 (01:13:46):
And I was just struggling with two or three bags
on the train, and I looked around on the train
and I said, you know what, there are a lot
of women that are carrying two or three bags.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
That's right here on Get Wealthy, only on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 19 (01:14:05):
Next on the Black Table with Me Greg car we
featured the brand new work of Professor Anji Porter, which
simply put is a revolutionary reframing of the African experience
in this country. It's the one legal article every and
I mean everyone should we Professor Porter and doctor Alipia Watkins,

(01:14:26):
our Legal Round Table team, join us to explore the
paper that I guarantee is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Going to prompt a major AHA moment in our culture.

Speaker 18 (01:14:37):
You crystallize it by saying, who are we to other
people who.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Are African people? To others. Governance is power thing.

Speaker 18 (01:14:46):
Who are we to each other, the structures we create
for ourselves, how we order the universe as African people.

Speaker 19 (01:14:53):
That's next on the Black Table here on the Black
Star Namewor.

Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
This week on a Balanced Life where Doctor Jackie, we're
talking all things faith, family, and fatherhood. Men step in
and out of our lives in a variety of ways
as fathers, uncles, cousins, and different ways in which we
enjoy their company and presence and in other ways.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
When they get on our nerves.

Speaker 16 (01:15:19):
This week on our show, we'll be talking about what
it needs to be a father, how women can support
the men in their lives, as well as how can
we heal the wounds that we've had from poor conversation,
lack of desire, and all of the other ways that
we sometimes as women check out and cause our men
to feel emasculated. That's all this week on a Balance

(01:15:40):
Life with Doctor Jackiees.

Speaker 18 (01:15:46):
This week on the other side of change in mass incarceration,
Trump administration is doubling down on criminalization and how it
is profitable, and there's something really really.

Speaker 16 (01:15:55):
Perverse about saying that we need to put people in
cages in order for other people to have jobs like
that is not how our economy should be built.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Only on the other side of change. On the Blackstar Network, Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
This is Motown recording artist Kim. You are watching Rolling
Martin unfiltered? Boy? He always unfiltered though I ain't never
known him to be filtered? Is there a nothing?

Speaker 21 (01:16:20):
Is there another way to experience Rolling Martin than to
be unfiltered?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Course he's unfiltered. Would you expect anything less? Why watch?
Watch what happens next?

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
All right, fall y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
So I was on Instagram a little bit early and
I came across this video, and then I watched this
video and I said, I know I'm not seeing what
I'm seeing, So I need you to play the video
I saw in ste I need you to y'all have
a vill I sent you the link to. Okay, all right,

(01:17:05):
let me play the video myself, because y'all, I saw
this video. Woo when I say I was hot when
I saw I say, I can't believe what I'm seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
This nonsense that I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
From this person right here posting on Instagram, and I'm like,
I know that it's not who I think it is
posting what he just posted and then I looked at
it and I said, oh, that is him. I can't
believe he posted that video. So let me go ahead
and show y' all this because I want y'all. Y'all

(01:17:39):
go on trip. Y'all, go trip, trip trip, watch this
video or it's closing here in the city of Albany.
And that leads us with a little over five hundred
students that we're here on this campus, in nineteen percent
of those students are labeled as homeless. We have a
little over two hundred and fifty jobs that will be
leaving the city of Albany. And while this is not
the city of all beny government's faut this is a

(01:18:00):
time for our local and state leadership to step up
because we'd be stupid to act powerless in this situation.
Because while this school is still here, while this building
is still here, excuse me why this campus is still here?
What could this become? Could this become a Southwest Georgia
regional hub for trade skills training? Could this become something
major that the city brings on to start training workforce.
Because if we're training workforce, then we can invite industry

(01:18:24):
to come here. But if we don't have any workforce
for industry, they'll never come if Dordy County School, since
we could train workforce and adults, why can't the city
have all been do the same thing. So my question
the leadership is, are we gonna allow this opportunity now
to pass us by or we gonna lead?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Are our leaders gonna lead?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
And if they don't want to lead, they can step
aside let somebody else do it. Oh, he said that
if our leader is a knock gonna lead, they should
step aside and let somebody else do it. That's interesting.
Now when I saw I remember when he came on
this show after he was going at me on Twitter

(01:19:04):
when he was supporting the Republican in the Republicans in
Georgia voter suppression bill, and he was talking shit with
another black and servetive. Then they said, well, he ain't
gonna never put us on the show. Now by his
ass on the show, then you have to changes tone.
We came on the show. Brow It joining us right
now is King Randall, one founder of the X for

(01:19:25):
Boys organization based out of Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
So King, explain why in the world you're conservative?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Correct? Yes, sir, so please explain to me why this
bill while Republicans are pushing for a voter suppression bill
when last year we saw record turnout in Georgia, record turnout,
So why would they want to restrict voting when you
just had record turnout in Georgia. Well, let me start

(01:19:54):
off by saying, you had me mistaken. I'm not a Republican.
I do consider myself no, no, no, no, actually I
say republican. I said you're conservative. Okay, I said you're
absolutely That's what I said, right, Yeah, I was saying
that because you called me a Republican on Twitter. However,
with this particular bill, I don't consider voting my particular fight.
I do consider voting an asset to us and maybe

(01:20:17):
something we can use as a tactic to help. But
as far as us pushing voting all the way out,
like voting is going to be some systemic change for
the black community, to me, is not the way to go.
If you look at the human anatomy of the body
of the body has as many different parts. And I
do respect you guys' fight, you know, in regards to voting,
but I don't consider myself fighting for the right to

(01:20:39):
vote that much.

Speaker 10 (01:20:39):
Do you not vote.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
We hadn't got anything. Do you not vote government? Yes, sir,
I vote absolutely. Okay, So when you say you guys fight,
first of all, there are multiple fights, the multiple issues
we could be concerned about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Voting is one of those issues.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Are you not concerned that Republicans in your state or
trying to restrict access to the ballot for no reason
other than they are pushing the lie that Donald Trump
also pushed. Right, absolutely, I understand exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
However, again, that's not my fight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I believe no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I asked you a question.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I ask your question, and the question is this here,
do you believe Republicans in your state are wrong to
be pushing this voter suppression bill? Can you give me
the list of things that's all on the bill? Because
I know you said the voter ide. Well, no, here's
a perfect here's a perfect example this particular bill. What
was funny is he was he was defending the voter
supression bill on Twitter, but he didn't think I was

(01:21:32):
gonna buy him on the show. So let me tell
you what he did. He then posts that video, he edits,
edits it, he edit edits the video U and then oh,
you know, I'm building this school. Black man should be
helped me build my school, you know. And in the
same simple Simon negro as I called out earlier, they
were all, I see that's right, Roland Martin, that's a
shade you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
You should be a shamed of yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
You should be supporting this brother at his school. That's right.
He just so them. Negroes was sitting here sending him money.
And then what he did is he got on Fox
News and Lawrence Jones at him all. Then the Black
Conservatives jumped on him, and so he starts raising money.
And so anytime he's mentioning me on Twitter, it was
about raising money. Oh man, Oh they were trying. They
were ask me for two years. Oh I was dissing
his brother and all sort of stuff along those lines.

(01:22:12):
And I'm like, okay, that's interesting. And so here you
now have King Randall now complaining about a program jobs
being cut and how that's hurting young folks. And that's
interesting because the program that he's speaking about, that very
specific program in Albany, Georgia. He's talking about go to

(01:22:33):
my iPad. This is the story right here. US Department
of Labor pauses Job Corps Center operations. So the very
program that that that that he is complaining about has
been stopped by the Trump Department of Justice. Now here's
what I don't understand. Matter of fact, let me go
ahead and play this again, because see, I love it

(01:22:54):
when somebody calls out leaders, but they don't really call
out the specific.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Leaders who they talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So let me just go ahead and play it again
what he had to say, because he was just so
insense at this program was being cut because it was
vital to providing jobs for young people. Listen again, He'll
do it. Tend the job course closing here in the
City of Albany, and that leads us with a little

(01:23:24):
over five hundred students that we're here on this campus,
and nineteen percent of those students are labeled as homeless.
We have a little over two hundred and fifty jobs
that will be leaving the City of Albany. And while
this is not the City of Albany government's fault, this
is a time for our local and state leadership to
step up because we be stupid. Hold up, he said,
it's not the City of Albany's fault, and we will

(01:23:48):
be stupid not to step up and lead. Listen, it's fault.
This is a time for our local and state leadership
to step up, because we'd be stupid to act powerless
in this situation. Because while this school is still here,
why this building is still here? Excuse me, why this
campus is still here? What could this become? Could this
become a Southwest Georgian original hub for trade skills training?
Could this become something major that the city brings on

(01:24:11):
to start training workforce? Because if we're training workforce, then
we can invite industry to come here. But if we
don't have any workforce or industry, they'll never come. If
Dorty County School, since we could train workforce and adults,
why can't the city have all been do the same thing?
So my question the leadership is, are we gonna allow
this opportunity now to pass us by? Are we gonna lead?

(01:24:32):
Are our leaders gonna lead? If they don't want to lead,
they can to step aside, let somebody else do it.
Turn the job of course closing here in the city
of all being and that leads us, with a little
over five hundred students, that we're here on this campus
and night we are here, we are he's complaining about
he's complaining about losing the jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
And then he says this, this ain't city and State
leader's fault, which means that it's somebody else's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
So, King Randall, whose fault is it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Whose fault is it, who's over that particular program, who
controlled the funding, who made the decision to shut that
particular program down? I would like to know that. So
I remember seeing a particular photo on social media, and

(01:25:34):
I remember, and I knew, I said, and I said,
and I said, wait a minute, I remember seeing somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
I remember seeing somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
At the White House Christmas party. Go to my iPad.
I'm sorry, is that King Randall that? It says new
Emerging King.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Maybe y'all say, well, you know that's just a photo.
Well that was another black conservative who posted a video.
Can y'all roll that video please?

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
Just to celebrate Black History Month, despite the media a
legend that it was canceled by President Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:26:13):
But like always fake news, I landed safely.

Speaker 22 (01:26:16):
That's a Delta Airlines and time that took a quick
shot before throwing on my Sunday's spence here on rocking
my pologial sports jacker with a black tourtalneck and a
black bailey for Dora. Soon after this, I ran into
my blacks and family on the way to the White House.
But I must give a shout out to the guy
to mad that all happened, Pierre Wilson. He is the
real deal, but with moves like this, he's clearly not
like us. We were all smiles waiting in line, and

(01:26:37):
it's winning degree whether to get inside to celebrate this
momentous occasion because of what it meant to all of us.

Speaker 8 (01:26:43):
All I could think about in my.

Speaker 22 (01:26:44):
Head right here is how much I've overcame throughout the
years been open.

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
With my conservatism.

Speaker 22 (01:26:49):
For some reason, it brings out the worst thing people,
and I think it's because I refuse to live up
to their expectations of me. While I was in the
White House, I wasn't quite sure how much I could record,
but to secure guard reassured me that we had free
reign to capture whatever we wanted, so I took full advantage.
While I was in the restaurant, though, I noticed these
knakins with the presidential seal on them, and it almost

(01:27:10):
felt disrespectful.

Speaker 8 (01:27:11):
To use it and halted straight into the trash can.

Speaker 22 (01:27:14):
They rolled out the red carpet for everyone who would
dressed to the nine looking good, smelling good, eating good,
drinking good, and sounding good. See the marine band that
was in charge of the music understood the assignment. They
were playing everything from Earth Wind and Fire all the
way down to Sam Cook, making this a magical time.

(01:27:35):
Everything opened up by a classical version of America. The
beautiful set in the atmosphere, and it was great to
be surrounded by so many of my favorite people.

Speaker 8 (01:27:44):
Michayla Montgomery, David Harris Jr.

Speaker 15 (01:27:47):
Terence K.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Go back, who do y'all see right there on the
left that looked like King Randall. So let me get
this straight. King Randall complains about a federal program getting
cut that's taking jobs away in his time of Albany, Georgia.

(01:28:15):
He's a self identified conservative.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Don't call me Republican.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Okay, fine, But you're standing there smiling and cheessing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
With the Maga negros. The help you at the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
You supporting Trump, but now you mad and you want
local and state officials to fix the problem that Trump created.
And in your Instagram video your ass didn't even mention
the word federal. You didn't even say Trump, you didn't

(01:28:49):
even say maga, you didn't even say doge. Now you
want folks to step up and fix the problem. What
I've been telling y'all, I've been telling y'all the help.
That's the black people who are standing with Donald Trump.
They claim all black, y'all on the plantation, y'all on

(01:29:12):
the plantation, on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
The Trump's gonna be helping us out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
And Donald Trump has consistently had policies that negatively impact
people in these simple Simon Negroes ain't said nothing. Darrin
Scott ain't said nothing. Charise Lane ain't said nothing. MICHAELA
ain't said nothing. Angelus Stanton King ain't said nothing. We

(01:29:36):
can go Joseph Pinon ain't said nothing. Terms Williams ain't
said nothing. David Harris Junior ain't said nothing. By Ring
Donald's ain't said nothing. Tim Scott ain't said nothing. Wesley
Hunt ain't said nothing. Burchess Ones ain't said nothing. I
can go down the line. But now y'all complaining Trump
is sat here and got rid of the settlement to

(01:29:57):
impact the sewage backing up in the yard, the homes
of black people in Lownes County, Alabama, said nothing, said
nothing about canceling the lawsuit against the petrochemical companies in
cancer Alley in Louisiana, where black people are dying because
of that, they knew them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
The help ain't said nothing. And so now you want us, Now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
You want to call on folks to stand up and
fix the program. Come on, King Randall, you're supposed to
be big and bold, You're supposed to be a big
man on campus. Why is it you won't even save
Donald Trump? You won't even say magna. You know why
because y'all scared of your daddy. Because y'all scared he
not gonna bite. Y'all back to the White House and

(01:30:40):
see y'all love Tom Boba. Y'all won't say nothing. Oh
trust me, I lit Obama up on several different things.
I did the same thing, but Biden, see, I believe
in accountability. I don't just sit here and say one thing.
But see, they real quiet. All this stuff that's negatively
impacted black people, all of them are quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
They ain't saying nothing, not a word. So come on, Randall,
I dare your Randall. I dare you to call your
boy Lawrence B.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Jones at Fox News, who's now on the morning couch,
and say, Lawrence, can I please come on to make
a personal peal to Trump to restore the programming for
this the funding for this program, so we don't lose
these jobs. I don't think that's gonna happen, because you
know why, because see, Lawrence B. Jones ain't trying to
be on a bad side Donald Trump, because they are
all trying to kiss that orange back of ass. So

(01:31:37):
isn't it interesting that you come on my show? You
talk shit on Twitter. You didn't think I was gonna
invite you, Then you did a bait and switch where
you came on my show. Then you use my show
to raise money for your school. But now you complain
about job losses of young people in your town and
it's Trump's faulty. You ain't saying a word. Ain't that interesting?

(01:32:00):
I guess that's how it goes these days, MICHAELA.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
The help is quiet when it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
To speak up.

Speaker 13 (01:32:09):
I mean, that's why I wonder why.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Well, Linda, I'm sorry, but Linda, I'm sorry.

Speaker 13 (01:32:12):
Okay, you were going off about Michayla living rent.

Speaker 15 (01:32:15):
Free in your head.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
You're upset.

Speaker 13 (01:32:16):
I get it, but no, I just think it's funny
that people like us are apparently on the plantation, but
we're not afraid to actually criticize our party or people
that we vote for. But they will not say anything
about Trump when it is explicitly his fault.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
I just looked it up.

Speaker 13 (01:32:33):
It's the Department of Labor and it's about his budget.
That's why they cut the Job Corp program. So it
is directly a result of him voting for Trump, and
he doesn't want to have to reconcile with the fact
that he was a part of the problem that made
this happen.

Speaker 14 (01:32:46):
Michael Well, Roland, we tried to tell him, and how
many times have I talked about this document on your
show before.

Speaker 15 (01:32:58):
Okay, this deals with.

Speaker 14 (01:33:00):
The policies of the Biden Harris administration that helped black people.
The Biden Harris administration advances equity, opportunity, and opportunity for
Black Americans and communities across the country. Okay, this documents that,
and right now Donald Trump is wiping out the advancement
that African Americans have made going back to the nineteen sixties.

(01:33:23):
On day one, he revoked Executive Order eleven two four six,
which is affirmative action. On day one, he revoked Executive
Order eleven nine eighty five, which Biden signed on his.

Speaker 15 (01:33:34):
First day in office, which put in motion all.

Speaker 14 (01:33:38):
This that happened because that executive order dealt with equity,
and that immensely helped African Americans. So, yes, it's good
to have an independent school. We've been doing that for
decades independent schools. But we have to understand how politics
impacts every aspect of your life. And you'll understanding of
politics is directly related to your understanding of history. So

(01:33:59):
it's a lot of peop we talking about politics that
don't understand history.

Speaker 11 (01:34:03):
Matt, I don't have anything profound to add, but all
I'll say is that I think it's a missed opportunity
because you think, you know, if you look at this
from a nuanced perspective, I mean, this is an opportunity
right for local people to you know, invest in this
lost job program. But the issue with that is you
don't have credibility if you don't call out why the

(01:34:25):
job program was lost, which is your point, and that's.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
The issue that I see here.

Speaker 11 (01:34:29):
I mean, it looks like this brother theoretically is trying
to do something good in his community.

Speaker 12 (01:34:33):
But you lose credibility when you don't say.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
Why it's no longer there and why your desire to
have proximity to power is more important than the actual
things you stand you're claimed to stand for, which.

Speaker 12 (01:34:45):
Is, you know, having jobs in the community. You should
be able to say this is.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
Gone because of a Trump policy, the same way you
would surely say if that program was lost under mister
Biden's administration, that this is no longer here because the
Biden administration took it away from you. Unless you're willing
to call a spade of spade, you aren't credible. And
I don't see why you wouldn't do that here, But
I understand you got to kiss the ring. And that's
what we're seeing conservatives of all colors do. They're all

(01:35:08):
afraid to call out Trump. They're all afraid to call
out his insanity because they want to keep that proximity
to power.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
M uh. And that's why y'all need to go ahead.
Y'all got out, y'all got our T shirt. That's why
y'all need to get our new shirt hashtag. We tried
to tell you FAFO twenty five. That's why we got
that shirt right there, because probably twenty twenty five a
bunch of y'all fucking around and y'all finding out real quick.
All right, somebody, somebody chat roll said, damn, bro you

(01:35:37):
on one today. Yes I am, So let me go
ahead and go to the third thing that pissed me off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
So on Monday, I came home. I came home.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Yeah, I played golf. I played golf on Monday, I think.
So I came home and my wife was watching this
this docu sries on the History Channel and it was
called The frontiers Man and Men who Built America. So
they have a series of these documentary the Men who
Built America. They have The Food that Built America. This
is a whole series.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
And so when I saw this, I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
That one of the executive producers were Leonardo DiCaprio, And
so I sit down and I happened to walk in
as they were talking about how Davy Crockett and Andrew
Jackson were at odds and how Davy Crockett lost his
bid for Congress, and then they were talking about how
that was a play on Davy Crockett. And then how

(01:36:29):
Davy Crockett then moved to Texas and he was walking
into a war raging in Texas. Row this.

Speaker 23 (01:36:39):
As Crockett begins to settle in, he realizes Texas is
on the verge of rebellion after years of loose governance.
Mexican President Santa Ana suddenly imposes new restrictions on settlers. Now,
angry Texans, Ana.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Anna, he imposes new restrictions on settlers. Now, if you're watching,
you will go him. I'm curious, what are those new restrictions.
They never say christ Play.

Speaker 23 (01:37:10):
Are calling for revolution.

Speaker 24 (01:37:13):
Texas was on the verge of independence.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
That the Texians, he says, Texas were on the verge
of independence.

Speaker 24 (01:37:22):
Okay, go hey, as they were called, were going to
try to become and there would be possibilities land and
political opportunity.

Speaker 23 (01:37:34):
In response, Santa Anna sends five hundred troops to confiscate
weapons and quell unrest. When Texans refused to give in,
he makes plans to retaliate.

Speaker 21 (01:37:51):
Santa Anna is training an army in San Luis poses
to march against Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Santa Anna did not think that this was.

Speaker 21 (01:37:58):
A local insurgence. He was absolutely convinced the United States
was involved, and so that's why the Mexican government was
so determined to put down this revulse.

Speaker 23 (01:38:10):
Crockett arrives in Texas at the same time as news
of Santa Anna's counterattack.

Speaker 24 (01:38:19):
When Crockett had gone to Texas was really just meant
to be an extended hunting expedition and land scout, and
he bumbles right into a war for independence.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Man, he stumbles into a war for independence.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
And I'm just sitting here, going what are they trying
to be independent about? PRIs plain.

Speaker 24 (01:38:41):
A number of things happened along the way. One was
the appearance of Haley's comment. And when Haley's comment appeared
in the sky in eighteen thirty six, some people thought
that it meant that David Crockett was coming to Texas
to fight for independence.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Again with that independence.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
And so the document series kept going on, and then
they went to episode four and then I'm watching it.
They talk about the Alamo and about independence, independence, independence, independence.
Then they go to the Battle of San Jacinto. Then
they talk about what happened there, roll.

Speaker 23 (01:39:19):
It suffered just eleven casualties. The crushing defeat leads to
Mexico's surrender and Texas finally wins independence.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Here we go right down, Texas finally wins independence. What
in the hell is Texas trying to be independent? Four?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
I still have it to have it answered?

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Roll it back.

Speaker 23 (01:39:58):
In Washington.

Speaker 12 (01:39:58):
D C.

Speaker 23 (01:40:00):
Jackson welcomes the news. He's dreamed of Texas joining the
US for years, but the future of Texas is caught
in the growing debate over slavery.

Speaker 25 (01:40:15):
Congress wasn't willing to go along with annexation because Texas
would enter the Union with slavery and the oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
God, we finally hear the word slavery, Chris Play.

Speaker 25 (01:40:28):
The edition of Texas would tip the balance in the
Senate in favor of the pro slavery side. The result
of this was that Texas remained in this limbo for
almost a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
See the problem is, I think I know what the
problem is. See the problem is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
I am the reason them plantation owners couldn't stand reading Negroes.
I think that's the real problem. The real problem is
I'm one of them negroes who can read. And so

(01:41:18):
I'm sitting here watching this doctor series and I'm cussing
the whole time because I have this I have this book.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
And I discussed this book on my show. I had
the interview with the author.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Actually, I got two copies of this book and I'm
watching and I'm like, Leonard DiCaprio, you really want.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Your name on some lion shit, fake ass stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Doctor Gerald Horn joins me right now, Professor of University
of Houston and Tyle. This book is called The counter
Revolution of eighteen thirty six cis Slavery and Jim Crow
and the Roots of US Fascism. Book came about during COVID.
It is a fascinating book, and I need you to
understand something. Y'all see how I think this book is.

(01:42:13):
I want try to see I think this book is.
I am a native Texans born and raised in Houston,
and every every Texan is required to take seventh grade
history and that book is thicker than this book right here,
and everything in this book was never in one of
those history books I read growing up. Jerald. It pissed

(01:42:35):
me off watching this series to listen to them go independence, Independence, Independence,
And not one time, Gerald, did they ever say what
the hell they were trying to get away from Mexico?

Speaker 9 (01:42:47):
For well, this is Trumpian history. To put it mildly
as you know more than most. When Texas seceeded from
Mexico and declared independence and the eighteen thirty six a
central reason was that Mexico, under president of African descent
speaking of Vincente Gareto, had moved to abolished slavery, and

(01:43:10):
the slave owners in Texas, including those who led to
revoting speaking of Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin at all,
rather than Aqua's to slavery, they decided to start an
independent country, the Republic of Texas, which interestingly enough, after
came into independence, began to challenge the United States for

(01:43:33):
leading the African slave trade. The lone star flag of
Texas could be found off the coast of Angola and
Southwest Africa, off the coast of Brazil. The major market
off the coast of Cuba. Of course, if you look
at your map, you'll see there's a straight shot from Galveston, Texas,
the major slave trading port to Cuba. And so that

(01:43:54):
is what mister DiCaprio and his comrades neglected to note.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
And Jerald you lay out in the book. They the
reason they hated Mexico so much because there was literally
another country that was an abolitionist country, boring the Fledgley
United States of America.

Speaker 9 (01:44:17):
Well more than that, when Mexico comes into independence, it
also allies with revolutionary Haiti. Abolitionist Haiti, as you know,
came into independence as the first black republic in eighteen
oh four and instantaneously began to put pressure on the
slave trading powers, including the United States. And then when

(01:44:38):
Texas seceded from Mexico, Haiti had reason to then put
pressure on Texas in league with Mexico, and that too
outraged the enslavers of Texas because they thought this was
mighty audacious for the black rulers of Mexico and Haiti
to be aligning. And then of course they were plotting,

(01:45:00):
speaking of Mexico and hating to invade Spanish rule Cuba
and liberate the Africans they're from enslavement. So they thought
that the Mexicans and the Haitians have gotten too big
for their breeches, and there that led to the succession
from Mexico by Stephen F.

Speaker 15 (01:45:18):
Austin and Sam Houston and the so called Texians.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
I am not one who believes that you or I
have to be in every document, in every sort of thing.
But I just found it interesting gerald watching this, and
I've seen many of these, and I'm like, Wow, all
of these historians you talk to and none of them

(01:45:43):
are black, and you're having all of these people share
their thoughts about Texas independence and nobody, nobody utters slavery.

Speaker 9 (01:45:56):
Well, it's even worse because, as you know, the twenty
twentyth censors show that Texas has the largest black population
in the United States of America, and in fact, the
Texas black population has been in the vanguard of struggle,
as you know, more than most for decades. And so
it's a slap in the face of Roland Martin and

(01:46:16):
other black Houstonians to put this kind of tripe and
trash on the airwaves.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
And it also, I mean it also has to be
and you're used to it being the historian, it also
has to be offensive that the History Channel, the History Channel,
which really should be called the Hiss Story Channel, is
presenting these docuseriies and offering them up as the And

(01:46:46):
this is what again, for the generation of people that
don't read, offering this up as somehow, no, this is
the stuff you don't know about. So people watch this
and they walk away from this and go I never
knew those things. So now what they are doing, which
you talk about being trumpion, they now they can't stand

(01:47:07):
folks like you, because really they want let's keep telling
that white his story and keep advancing that Douglas Blackman
pulled surprise when the author White Journalists out of Atlanta.
Douglas is a great guy. This is what he was
responding to my posts because I put it on LinkedIn
and which led to us booking U. He said, I
haven't seen this series, but Roland Martin's anger and exasperation

(01:47:30):
is dead on about how pop history and pop culture
continue to quote teach millions of people versions of our
history that are simply false, factually wrong, fabricated, empirically disproving.
The most nauseating part is how these fictions and perversions
of truth are now so often presented with the tools

(01:47:53):
and forms of documentary, film and published works that quote
look authoritative and are effectively endorsed by legitimate networks and
publishers we once might have trusted.

Speaker 9 (01:48:08):
Well as you know, it's coldly consistent with the White
House's attack on DEI diversity equity inclusion, which is shorthand
for attack on affirmative action, which is shorthand further for
purging black people from the historical landscape. It's consistent with
the attempts to smother the Smithsonian's National African American Museum

(01:48:31):
in Washington, d C. It's consistent with what's being debated
at the state legislature in Austin as we speak, so
called SB thirty seven, which if it comes into law,
will lead to a routing of African American studies departments,
Black studies departments, African the studies departments. They're attempting to
poison the minds of our youth to make them enlist

(01:48:55):
willingly in the Trump crusade against black people.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
And again what happens with these networks. Again, for the
people who are not going to read your four or
five hundred pages, it's like, oh, I can sit here
and I can now just get all of this stuff
in one nice place, prepackaged, looks great, tells, the sounds convincing.

(01:49:24):
And what it is is it is promoting a flat
out lie. It is not being fully accurate, and is
what this series is doing. It is portraying these white men,
these frontiersmen, the ones who were rugged, who were fighting
these savages, those Indians who were just trying to get

(01:49:47):
a land, and they were just trying to live the
American dream. Never use the word stolen, Never use the
word genocide as you properly use when you describe, even
in your introduction, that it was genocide that was being
committed against Native Americans.

Speaker 9 (01:50:08):
Indeed, I've studied United States history from the Atlantic to
the Pacific, and I must say that when you look
at the history of Texas, what leaps out at you
is the fighting spirit and the militancy of the indigenous,
particularly the Comanches. And what's remarkable is that approximately two
hundred years ago they were ruling Texas, and today it's

(01:50:30):
difficult to find one person in Texas of Comanche descent.
You would think that some might pose the question, what
happened to the Comanches? What happened to the Apaches? What
happened to these Native Americans who were ruling the planes
not so long ago and now cannot be found?

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Would I look at this here? When I look at
and let me pull this up, because I'm going to
go questions my panels, compel y'all get ready. I am
on IMDb dot com rast right now, and it lists
the stars of the documentary. It lists all of the
people involve the writers, and I'm just so I believe

(01:51:16):
in naming and claiming it. John Eeler is a director.
Johnny Saint Ours is a director. The writers Brian Burstein,
Zachary Herman, Jeremiah Murphy, Jordan Rosenblum, Peter Sherman, Stephen David
tim w Kelly, Yoshi, Let's see here Yosh Stone, Adam Jones,

(01:51:37):
Siegler for dialogue. They're listed as the writers, and you
see the cast here. My wife made this observation. She says,
my god, I'm watching this thing and I don't see
nobody black in this docuseries at all. Oh that was
There's one brother who played POMPEII. But this is what
I think is important. Also, Gerald, these are the producers

(01:52:01):
of this trash, of this factually incorrect and wrong stuck
Petra Hobo, Fattias Buska, Chelsea Coats, Mary Donahue, Sam Epstein,
Carter Figueroa, Ronald Fried, Tim w Kelly, Nick Guttler, Brian Meir,
Paul Kleiman, Brian Burstein, Liz de Ford, Nicki McCrone, Michael Hampton,

(01:52:22):
Jonathan Soule, Yoshi Stone, Philip Watson, Christian Burns, Stephen David,
Jennifer Davidson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Russell McCarroll. Of those executive producers.
Now again, some of these folks participated in document some
of this series from U see twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen.
These are cinematographers, these are editors, these are this is casting,

(01:52:44):
This is production designer, designer, art director, costume designer, makeup,
production manager, everything that goes along with it. The reason
all of this is important, Gerald, is because these are
the people who are responsible for producing the docuseriies, and
the History Channel has an obligation that before you air
some crap like this, then it needs to be factually correct.

(01:53:06):
And we see documentaries on PBS where they will say,
oh no, no, no, these things need to be correct
before we put this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
On the air.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
The problem that I had is when you air this
kind of crap, folk run with it and go, I
saw it on the History Channel, it must be true.

Speaker 9 (01:53:24):
Well, maybe that's part of the problem, because obviously the
History Channel is pumping out propaganda. And we should also
ask ourselves who are the major stockholders in the History Channel,
who are the puppeteers. For example, you cite it mister DiCaprio,
but of course he is getting a paycheck from someone

(01:53:47):
higher on the food chain. And I think that it's
highly appropriate for you to call these people out, just
like I think it's even more appropriate for your audience
to begin to ask these searching questions as to how
this sort of propaganda, which ultimately is an expression of
anti blackness, how it manages the worm its way into

(01:54:07):
our living room.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Well, the people who own it is A and E.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Who owns A and E go back to my iPad
is the Hurst Corporation, And A and E Global Media
also is a joint venture of Hurst and the Walt
Disney Company. So an E falls under the A and
E Global Media falls under the ownership is Hurst and

(01:54:31):
the Walt Disney Company. And so the History Channel is
one of the networks that fall underneath the fact. So
the question that we should be asking, specifically, I say, definitely,
are to the producers and the writers and the researchers.
Because they're doing the docu series, then it is airing
on the History Channel, So who are the execs in

(01:54:52):
charge of that particular show? And now you go to
the owners of the History Channel, which is A and
E Global, and that is the Hurst and the Walt
Disney Company. Questions from the panel, I'll start with Michael first.

Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
Hey, Jerald, good to see you again.

Speaker 14 (01:55:09):
Right on, all right, when we deal with this history
and I teach you about Texas independence. Also when we
talk about the Texas Rangers starting about eighteen thirty five
eighteen thirty six, part of their duty was also capturing
runaway slaves as well.

Speaker 15 (01:55:29):
Okay, can you talk some about.

Speaker 14 (01:55:31):
That history also, and we know I'm glad you mentioned
the Sinte got out of the second President of Mexico,
who was Afro Latino former slave, because he abilised slavery
in Mexico in eighteen twenty nine.

Speaker 9 (01:55:44):
Well, it's interesting the Texas Rangers in many ways were
state sponsored death squads.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Not only were they capturing domestic terrorists exactly, they were hell.

Speaker 15 (01:55:59):
On the bigenous population.

Speaker 9 (01:56:01):
And keep in mind as well that one of the
reasons that the United States itself waged war against Mexico
a few years later in eighteen forty six, walking away
with California, which now bills itself as the fourth largest
economy on planet Earth, is because Mexico refused to return

(01:56:22):
runaway Africans who across the border into Mexico, leading to
major capital laws on the part of Texas and slavers.
It's oftentimes discussed in this country about following the North
Star of Freedom, which is highly appropriate. That is to say,
the Africans escaping north to Canada, but thousands of Africans

(01:56:43):
were escaping south into Mexico, correct to the war against Mexico,
which leads to the denuding of a good deal of
Mexican territory.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
Yeah, let's go to Matt Manning course that he's out
of Corpus Christie. Matt, So doctor Horne.

Speaker 11 (01:57:01):
I'm a lifelong text and I took that Texas history
class a lot more recently than Roland because I'm not
as long in the tooth.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
But but guess what, Guess what, it's the same damn book.
Your ass had the same thick ass book.

Speaker 11 (01:57:17):
I'm sure miss Swafford got that book from you, which
you caught it to me money you learned it. And
I was shaking my head because Michael literally stole the
question I was going to ask. But to just add
some contour, I was going to ask doctor Horne, if
you shed some light on how much what you've seen
in terms of you know, your historical review, how much
of that, uh, you know, reticence to return the capitol

(01:57:39):
loss was discussed at the time, because obviously I never
learned that in Texas history, but clearly that was one
of the major impetus behind, you know, there seeking to
break away. So how much of that was actually being
discussed in documents at the time, if you know.

Speaker 15 (01:57:56):
All the newspapers were full of these sorts of stories.

Speaker 9 (01:57:59):
Keep in mind as well that these so called Texians
were not above crossing the border into Mexico and snatching
dark skinned people who they thought could pass for an
enslaved African, driving them kicking and screaming across the border
to work as an enslaved person. This person might not

(01:58:19):
have been a runaway. It might have been an Afro Mexican,
for example. So the Texians raised hell in Mexico, which
is one of the reasons if you talk to Mexicans today,
at least those that are intelligent, they have a very
negative evaluation of Texas generally in the United States more broadly,

(01:58:41):
one so.

Speaker 13 (01:58:43):
I was going to talk a little bit actually about
the production of the docuseries. As someone who has worked
in the entertainment industry for years, I think the unfortunate
part about this is that when you distribute a docuseries
like this and you have certain names attached, there is
a level of trust when it comes to distributing it.
So having the name Leonardo DiCaprio attached to something like this,
people may not, unfortunately watch it ahead of time to

(01:59:06):
fact check it. And that's just as you said, you know,
roll in with black lead charter schools earlier in the program.
There needs to be more of a push for black
lead produced history productions. So on that note, because we're
such a media driven society, I'm just wondering if you
have any docuseries that you know of that are black
produced and research that have been distributed distributed that you

(01:59:26):
would recommend for people to watch.

Speaker 9 (01:59:28):
Well, it just escaped me, But there is a joint
Canadian Broadcasting South African broadcasting series on slavery in the
United States. If you put those terms into a search engine,
will properly emerge, and it presents a view of the
United States and indeed a view of seventeen seventy six

(01:59:49):
that is all together different from the kind of poppycock
and balderdash and propaganda we're being fed and will be fed.

Speaker 15 (01:59:56):
In bountiful amounts coming.

Speaker 9 (02:00:00):
In the run up to twenty twenty six, the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the birthday of the United
States of America. I should also mention that the Hearst Corporation,
which is at the top of the food chain in
terms of this docu series, also controls the Houston Chronicle,
the major daily newspaper in this sizable city.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
In fact, the Houston Chronicle is actually the largest newspaper
in the Southwest United States exactly.

Speaker 9 (02:00:28):
And so what that says to me is that they
have less of an excuse to put out falsehoods because
they're cited, or at least they have an Oregon They
have an arm of the corporation right.

Speaker 15 (02:00:40):
There in the Lone Star state, right there in the state.

Speaker 9 (02:00:43):
Of Texas and the city of Houston. I read the
Houston Chronicle on a regular basis, and I know some
of these people who are administering that newspaper, so they
really have no excuse for making this sort of production.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Is this what you're referring to, Gerald, I'm on the
CBC's Canadian broadcast. This here is called called Enslaved.

Speaker 15 (02:01:06):
That's one and there's another one too, starring the woman.

Speaker 9 (02:01:10):
If you can put this into the search, Iowa the
Williams sister's mother and that will Smith vehicle are new
ellis exactly She's in this CPC South African Broadcasting production.

Speaker 15 (02:01:24):
I show it to mc cloud.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
Oh oh you mean, oh the actually air on you
mean the Book of Negroes there it is. Yeah, that actually, yeah,
that actually aired on bt BT actually aired that. It's
called the Book of Negroes. Yes, yes, I.

Speaker 9 (02:01:36):
Recommend it highlights. It's an eye opener. And once again
it's not financed by US entities. It's financed by the
Canadians and the South Africans.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
That actually what you're talking about aired in twenty fourteen.
Pull the audio up please, this is the trailer that
Jerald is talking about. Let go on that Africa ban.

Speaker 15 (02:02:02):
This is your home now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
We's all your guys.

Speaker 8 (02:02:04):
Coming to CVC.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
We are not in the promise, Lamb, not yet.

Speaker 6 (02:02:09):
I am.

Speaker 11 (02:02:09):
I'm not to Jill.

Speaker 26 (02:02:11):
I seem to have troubled day. For all accounts, I
should not have lived this long. I had been across
the big good even now I am Vagan.

Speaker 25 (02:02:23):
The Book of Negroes begains Wednesday, January seventhos CBC.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
That's what that is. And so uh, I just I really,
I mean, Gerald, I was just so irked when I
when I saw that, and knowing the true history and
knowing that people will watch this and they will think
that that all that these people they were just they
just would just land, and those horrible Mexicans just we

(02:02:49):
wouldn't just leave those western settlers alone. And Davy Crockett
and Sam Huston, they all were coming there because they
were looking for a better life leaving in the place
says no, they were pissed off and Mexico said, We're
not going to allow you to continue having slavery in
the Texas territory. That's what pissed them off. And they

(02:03:10):
said no, they about to jack up the economy. That's
the only economy that we have, and we're gonna fight.
And that's what the Alamo was about. That's what all
that craft was about.

Speaker 9 (02:03:22):
And that's what Sandra Bland was about. Recalled that a
few years ago in Prairie View, Texas, this black woman
wound up dead as a result of an unfortunate accounter
with the authorities in that suburb, if you like Houston, Texas.
George Floyd not coincidentally, also has roots in the Lone

(02:03:42):
Star State.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Well yeah, with the same high schools I did Jackade's
High School exactly. And so.

Speaker 9 (02:03:50):
You cannot separate the kind of misinformation and disinformation that's
pumped out through the airwaves that presents a profound representation
of anti blackness for the kinds of unfortunate slayings and
murders that take place all too routinely inflicted against black

(02:04:10):
people with roots in the Lone Star State.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
And this is one of the reasons why. And again
what happens when you know your history, when you know
those things, and people sort of get mad at you.
I did this and a lot of people gerald were
not happy with me, but ain't like I gave a damn.

(02:04:33):
When Rick Perry was the governor of Texas, he felt
that when Texas A and M joined the South Eastern
Conference that there needed to be something, some trophy or
something that was awarded to whoever won the annual game
between Texas A and M and the University of South Carolina.
So then they settle upon something called the Bottom Trophy.

(02:04:57):
And so this says, few have ever heard of this,
and so this is the trophy right here, and you
see the Bottom Trophy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Well, a couple of years ago, I was actually I
was watching the game and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
It was on ESPN. They were talking about, Hey, where's
this trophy? Who had it? Who has it?

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
Where can we find it?

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
Didn't quite understand it. And so again when you don't
know history, the Bottom Trophy is named and modeled after
Alamo battle hero James Bottom. He was from South Carolina,
traveled to Texas to fight with the Texians at the Alamo,
and so they wanted to talk about it. And really

(02:05:41):
it got lost folks to know where in the hell
the trophy was and all of that. And I actually
did a video early on this and I said to
any Texas A and M player in South Carolina player,
especially if you black, if your ass holds this trophy up,
you were holding up a Confederate monument. Because anybody who
was fighting at the Alamo against Santa Ana's troops, those

(02:06:05):
people were fighting to continue slavery in Texas.

Speaker 9 (02:06:11):
Well as you know, more than most in Houston in particular,
there's still a number of streets named after Confederate heroes.
It was not so long ago that the street that's
now called Emancipation Avenue near the University of Houston was
named after a bloodstained Confederate.

Speaker 15 (02:06:30):
And of course he has not been alone in that
ill fated regard. And so we have a lot of
work to do.

Speaker 9 (02:06:37):
And I congratulate you for bringing this trashy docuseries to
a wider attention of our audience.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
We, of course, in a couple of weeks, are going
to have June tenth. Before I let you go, I
really just want you and I shared this with I
was talking to Governor Wes Moore, and we were talking
about June teenth, the celebration there, and I said to him, Governor,
please do me a favor. I need you and others

(02:07:07):
to make perfectly clear the Juneteenth was not a day
of picnics. It was not a day of celebration. It
wasn't a day of barbecues and cookouts. That for black
people in Texas, where Juneteenth was founded, it was about freedom.
It was the pursuit of economic freedom, it was pursuit
of the right to vote, civil rights. I said, what

(02:07:30):
we cannot do is allowed that Juneteenth is a national
holiday and it is the only day that actually recognizes
and tied to slavery.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
We cannot allow this to be.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Bastardized and prostituted and turned into a day of partying
in line dancing. There has to be a freedom, a
freedom component that tied with it.

Speaker 9 (02:07:56):
Well more than that, we also need accuracy with to Juneteenth.
That is to say, the traditional story of the men
in Blue showing up in Galveston and alerting these enslaved
Africans to the reality that supposedly you're free, that's a misrepresentation.
First of all, the Emancipation Proclamation January first, eighteen sixty three,

(02:08:17):
issued by the Lincoln government did not have any standing
in Confederate Texas. Actually, what happens is that the men
in Blue of the US Army are showing up in
Galveston because the enslavers planned to extend slavery.

Speaker 15 (02:08:34):
Back into Mexico.

Speaker 9 (02:08:37):
Because recall Single Demayo marked on May fifth every year,
particularly by our Mexican American brothers and sisters, the French
had taken over Mexico and they were supporting the Confederates,
and so the Confederates were going to make a jail
break into Mexico, dragging, kicking and screaming, and slave Africans
alongside with them, so that they could extend the life

(02:09:01):
and legacy of slavery.

Speaker 15 (02:09:02):
But what happens with the Men in Blue showing up
in Galveston.

Speaker 9 (02:09:05):
They were recruiting these black men as the Confederacy was collapsing,
and they managed to join the Men in Blue, and
then they, along with progressive and patriotic Mexicans, helped to
strangle the French based puppet regime. And interestingly enough, the
French puppet leader, Maximilian he was assassinated, he was killed,

(02:09:27):
he was subjected to the death county on June nineteenth,
eighteen sixty seven. And that is a further reason to
mark June teenth, because June nineteenth, eighteen sixty seven, in
many ways has more resonance and more for profundity than
June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, which is part of the
traditional story.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Last thing I want to do is this here, because
as you were talking, you mentioned that documentary of the
sixth part series out of Canada. I actually had a
director of this movie. It came out during COVID did
not get much attention. It was about a group of
black soldiers in Houston, Texas doing Jim Crow, who was
sick and tired. Of sick and tired is called the

(02:10:06):
twenty fourth. A lot of people had no idea about
this and.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
It was a folks.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
Have y'all pulled up on YouTube the interview that we
did with the director. He was it was fascinating conversation
with the making of this movie. And so folks, if
you're not aware of this, we're just gonna play this trailer.
They were gonna shut close us out, Man of.

Speaker 27 (02:10:26):
The twenty fourth, Infant Dree, this is Texas. We have
a great opportunity here. Legacy, it's proven worthy, will carry
us all the way to the shores of France. Things

(02:10:47):
are a little different down here in the South. I
will expect you man to obey the race.

Speaker 1 (02:10:53):
We coming, Yes, sir, get back with the others.

Speaker 17 (02:10:58):
Just go ahead and drive this machine the crowd.

Speaker 15 (02:11:01):
This is a white man's work. Every man here who's.

Speaker 8 (02:11:05):
Gotta lit fuse Jim Crows.

Speaker 17 (02:11:08):
The law respected.

Speaker 8 (02:11:13):
What we're gonna do.

Speaker 10 (02:11:15):
The police brutalize us, Sir, Oh used to be treated
as soldiers.

Speaker 27 (02:11:21):
As a military police. You are to ensure order of
the men of the twenty fourth Infantry only drop the knife.

Speaker 17 (02:11:32):
Back up, always dropped a lock on. You get out
of here.

Speaker 27 (02:11:37):
Before they take us to General can get the twenty
fourth in the fight.

Speaker 4 (02:11:43):
He's never going to do that.

Speaker 17 (02:11:45):
What do we do, Sir William, I've done all I
can do here.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
We have a problem.

Speaker 17 (02:11:51):
We're gonna take our country back.

Speaker 15 (02:11:54):
The law run this town.

Speaker 10 (02:11:56):
There's a militia on the way, are there which keep
pushing people down? Sooner or later they rise up?

Speaker 8 (02:12:20):
Can you identify any of the leaders of the mutant.

Speaker 17 (02:12:31):
When I ain't the coming or I saw a man
he didn't see one.

Speaker 1 (02:12:42):
Back that was a black director of black writers. And again,
our stores are important, folks. It's always great to have Gerald.
I can say this.

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
I ain't got a problem said that. I think another Michael.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
I know you had him on the show, but I
think I probably have sold more Gerald Horn books than
anybody else. Every time Gerald got a book, he's on
the show. He's a prolific writer and amazing historian. And
so I ain't got no problem helping them put coens
in Gerald's pockets, y'all. I'm telling y'all get this book,
because what Gerald does in here is called the counter

(02:13:23):
Revolution of eighteen thirty six Texas slavery and Jim Crow
and the ruth of US fascism, and he connects he
called them the counter Revolution eighteen thirty sis. He's connecting
the American Revolution and the Texas Revolution and the Civil
War and how all of these things are combined. And
if you also again want to understand present day. See

(02:13:45):
this is why every year when Governor Greg Abbott and
Lieutendant Governor Dan Patrick, they put on a social media,
Hey is Texas Independence Day, and I go, bullshit, this
is Texas Continuing Slavery Day.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
And originally I call that trophy out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
I need black people to stop walking around and unknowingly
celebrating Confederate history. And we have been indoctrinated with his story.
And that's why that History Channel thing is trash. I
have hit somebody in Hollywood who knows DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (02:14:19):
I said, send this to him.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
I will absolutely send it to the folks at A
and E send it to the folks at Hurst and Disney.
Matter of fact, I think I think Hearst's. I think
I know his sister who's an executive there but we
can't be silent when this trash is presented that distorts
American history, because that's what these people want to do.
They don't want Gerald Horn's books in libraries, in schools,

(02:14:45):
they don't want other black office because they want to
continue to perpetuate the lie of American history.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
Gerald final word, Well.

Speaker 9 (02:14:56):
Once again, I take my hat off to you, absolute
Roland Martin filter. You're doing a bang up job. I
wish that you would issue an IPO because I would
certainly invest.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
Well, that's something that we trust be moving towards. We're
just methodically building the network, the shows that we're adding, y'all.
This book is called The counter Revolution of eighteen thirty six.
Go ahead, pull up Texas Slavery and Jim Crow and
the roots of US Fascism. Absolutely fascinating history of this country.
That's Jeral Horne. Always great to see, my brother, right on.

(02:15:30):
Good luck to you, Thank you very much. Let me
thank my panel me, Linda, let me think, let me think, Michael,
let me think Matt again. Y'all. You ain't getting this
on other shows, folks, the mainstream media. I ain't even
talking about this here. And so this is why we
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(02:15:52):
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Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
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(02:17:08):
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Speaker 2 (02:18:00):
My man Keenan didn't designed that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:02):
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And so this is a moment for us to be
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