Shutdown Hits Wallets, Trump Targets Chicago Leaders, FL Kirk Bill, The Root’s Black Ownership

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Today's Wind's October eight, twenty twenty five, coming up a
rolling marker on the filth of the street being live
with the Blackstar Network. Many people are seeing their pockets
getting empty. You do the administration's tariffs and policies, and boy,
these farmers are really crying. We'll talk to the economists
about how the shutdown it's affecting your bank account, folks.
Washington State Congressman Adam Smith will be here talking about

(00:47):
the eighth day of the government shutdown and man avoided House.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Democratic Leader ha King.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Jeffries go at it with a fellow New York Congressman.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Mike Lawler.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
He told him to shut up. Oh, I loved it.
The criminally convicted man occupying in the White House, says
Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. Illino Governor G. B. Pritsker should
be in jail. Prisker said, bring you ass. Try it
in the Florida State Center and be joining us after
talking about a controversy new bill that will force every

(01:16):
public university in Florida, including Florida and m to rename
a road after white supremacist Charlie kirk or risk losing
state funding and the roots ownership returns to black hands.
Ashley Allison joins us share her vision for the brand.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Folks, It's time to bring the punk. I'm rolling by
unfilter on a by sting network.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
PST what the best he's it whatever it is, He's
got the school the fact to find Hena believes he's
right on time and istrolling best belief.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
He's going.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
Thanks Loston News to politics with entertainment. Just lookis he
gets Rolen He's Pokey's prest She's realed the question. No,

(02:19):
he's rolling Monte.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
All right, folks, let's talk about this economy.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Donald Trump keeps claiming everything is great, everything is wonderful.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't know what the hell he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
The Federal Reserve back in New York and the Federal
Reserve Survey of Consumer Finance says Americans are drowning in debt,
record bringing breaking eighteen point two chilion with seventy seven
four percent. The family is carrying some form of debt,
the median household owing over more than eighty thousand dollars.
Then you got these farmers who are complaining that they
can't sell their goods, and now they're talking about a

(03:05):
possible bailout.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
M Interesting Benga.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ajelori is the chief economists at the Center for Budget
at Policy Priorities.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
He previously was.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
The commentists with the USDA under Biden. Harri has led
to have you back on the show. Let's first talk
about these farmers. And I'll be perfectly honest with you.
As far as I'm concerned, these these MAGA farmers who
are in Arkansas and Iowa, Illinois, excuse me, in Wisconsin,
in Indiana and Wiscon in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
All these red states, they can all go to hell.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
They voted for this and so they got screwed last time.
So I'm just trying to understand. Did they think the
playbook was going to look different this time around?

Speaker 7 (03:49):
He did.

Speaker 8 (03:50):
I think so, because when you look back at the
first administration, the Trump's trade war was just basically on China,
and it was very targeted and narrow, and this kind
of trade war, knowing expected, we're looking at tariffs on
so many different countries, so many different products, and it's
not just you know, certain products that farmers may have
been benefited from, but now we have products on tariffs

(04:10):
on steel, aluminum, fertilizer, so now their costs are going up.
So you know, I don't want to, you know, blame
the parmers too much because what we're seeing this time
no one expected.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Actually, I will blame them.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
And they should have listened to Vice President Kamla Harris
because she said it. She literally said what was going
to happen. And so all of these people are acting
like they're shocked. But this nutcase he said all this
stuff in the campaign.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
He said it. And and this is the crazy thing
for me, out of all of this.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
They literally say, taller people, we're gonna do this product
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
All this sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
But you know what a lot of people said, well,
I didn't really think they meant it.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
All they did.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
That is true.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
And one of the things that you know, we just
have to deal with is that now that they're in
power and they're doing these things, we have to figure
out ways to get through this and to help. You know,
some of this stuff is going to impact all of us,
not just the farmers, and so that's why we have
to focus on some of these problems and try to
figure out what is the best way through.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'll be honest with you, the only way through is
for Democrats to get control of the House and or
the Senate in twenty twenty six and get regain the
White House. I keep telling people, buckle down, this is
what we are about to deal with in every facet,
whether it's the crazy to range the Department of Justice,
whether it's these schizophrenic tear policy, whether it's the corruption

(05:40):
we're seeing all of these things. We might as well
deal with this reality because this is what they're going
to do. Whether we're talking about immigration and the deportations
and letting Ice do whatever they want. Donald Trump is unhinged.
There's no bottom, there's nothing else. Can't run again. It's
by all their protests saying oh he can run twenty

(06:01):
twenty eight. They're going to do whatever they want. So
people need to just understand this is what we are
about to be dealt with because the Republican Party is
not going to put any restraints on him. And I
dare say the only way the Republican Party wakes up
is if they lose twenty to thirty seats next year.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yeah, except the fact that we're still in twenty twenty five,
and I know you can't wait till twenty twenty six.
And so that's why you focused on what are the
things that we could do? Now, how do you stop them?
How do you mitigate to the best of our our
can to some of these issues and some of these policies.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Okay, how so give me a couple examples.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Because they control the White House, they control the House,
they control the Senate, you've got a Supreme Court, and
letting Trump do whatever the hell he wants to do.
They literally are talking about defying federal judges. So how
can they be stopped when they control the whole ball game.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
That's a very good question, and I don't have actually
a good answer. But what we're seeing now with the
shutdown is that the Democrats are trying to use any
sort of lemage leverage they can to be able to
mitigate some of this harm.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Uh and and but it's gonna listen, this continuing resolution
is only gonna be for a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
We're gonna be back at this again.

Speaker 9 (07:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And so this this is the only way they can operate.
But these these folks, listen, this is the problem that
I see the right wing. This is this has been
their wet dream that it has been completely just disrupt uh, destroy,
do whatever, to the to government, slash and burn. They

(07:42):
don't care. This is what the Herodis Foundation has wanted,
this is what Russell Vault has wanted, this is what
Stephen Miller has wanted. He does not have anybody with
in any guardrails, no checks and balances, And so I
just need people to understand that they're gonna have to
prepare themselves mentally and financially for this chaos through until

(08:05):
we get to January twenty twenty nine. And I know,
people like, oh my god, Roland, you're crazy, but I
don't see anything else happening.

Speaker 8 (08:15):
So one of the things that we do see happening
is that people are being harmed and people are being impacted,
and that might, you know, spur some of the people
on Congress to actually take action. So one of the
things that we're seeing now is with the health healthcare
care cliff, with the ACA premuns expiring, and so people
are looking at their health care costs and seeing that
they're going to skyrocket, and that's going to have an impact.

(08:36):
And then that's what the Democrats are using for leverage
to be able to get Congress to act. And so
we just have to keep telling the story, tell the
story of people being harmed. You know, some of the
things that we're seeing is with unemployment going up, inflation
going up. When the government shut down ends, will start
seeing more of that data and then using that to
actually say people are getting harmed.

Speaker 10 (08:54):
We have to do something about this.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
And so what's happened earlier this year why there hasn't
been as much pushback there should be is that people
have been talking about the general economies. Okay, but now
even that point is even not not true.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean, look, I said after the augeration, actually
I said it after Harris lost to Trump. I said,
the only way this thing changes is if we see
maximum pain to white people, to white people, maximum pain
to white people. Because a lot of these voters, they

(09:29):
voted for pain to black people, they voted for the
pain to go to brown people.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
But these people, these.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Farmers, these rule people, they're gonna have to have their
healthcare snatch, their food benefit snatch. They're gonna have to
see all gas go up, eggs go up, meat go up,
all this sort of stuff, but them to wake up
to go, oh damn, he did it, and then they're
gonna have to blame Republicans, and so if Republicans lose,

(09:56):
if they lose some key Senate races and lose a
bunch of House races, that's the only thing that's going
to cause them to say, you know what, maybe we
ought to actually be doing our jobs of having government
oversight and not let this man just completely say I'm
not going to spend money that Congress is already allocated.
And that's part of the issue here is that the
way the founders sit this up, they actually thought you

(10:19):
would have a Congress that will put the executive branch
in check. The problem is they never saw a Congress
doing whatever the executive branch wanted and then him rowtbeating
the judicial branch and doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
That is true.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
But one thing I want to push back on is
that we can't just blame farmers and royal people for
what happened in the election. There are a lot of
people in cities who did not vote for Harris and so,
and one of the things I have to focus on
is people, you know, look at their tax cuts and
the tax provisions. That's kind of one of the things
about this healthcare fight is that the Congress passed the
twenty seventeen tax law extension, but they didn't do that

(11:01):
for the premium tax enhancements, and so we have to
focus on some of those things. And just like you know,
the blame goes all over and not just you know,
farmers and real people.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, follow me here, I'm speaking specifically. Look,
we saw we look at the numbers with a decrease
in turnout. So Trump this mandate he claims that he got.
But what you saw was and we could run through
it was very simple North Carolina, Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Again.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
We can go through battleground states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada,
We go on and on and on, Arizona. These folks
they said, oh yeah, I don't like these things, but
then I voted for this. Now you got all these comedians,
Oh you got Theo Vaughn, you got Andrews Schoultzer, Others
saying oh no, we didn't vote for that.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
We voted for that.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And I'm sitting there saying, no, no, no, no, you voted
for that because it was all from the same person.
It was all the same policy, and so the people
I just had, as I said a congresswoman on yesterday
from California, who sits on one committee, and she had
this guy from Mississippi who was appealing to her for
help with something, and she said, wait a minute, I'm sorry,

(12:15):
why are you coming to me? Go talk to your
two senters from Mississippi. And see that's what I'm saying.
These people who now realize that they're getting hurt, they're
now trying to come the Democrats saying, oh, please help
us out. My problem is that if the Democrats do it,
they're not going to benefit from it.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I go back to the Stimulus Bill under Obama.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
He bailed out Elkhart Indiana, and he bailed out rule
parts of this country, and they still voted against him.
They vote against the Democrats. So what they want is
they want help when the Republicans screw them. But will
the Democrats to help them, or they don't reward the
Democrats for helping them, they keep voting for Republicans.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
Yeah, and so that's why you look at what's happening
with the shutdown, is that they're trying to figure out
ways to be able to get make sure that the
cost in terms of healthcare goes up, doesn't go up
for people and that they're able to push on that
and also even try to push on to make sure
that if they do past the cr if they do
past appropriations, that the executive branch is not just going

(13:14):
to rescend it. And so that's why we see Democrats
fighting for this.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, I think it is smart for Democrats to go
hard as possible of fighting this because at the end
of the day, they're going to get screwed. And listen,
the point that I made earlier when I talked about
those rule folks who now are realizing this here, well,
here's the deal. Donald Trump's approval ratings among rule Americans

(13:38):
has actually dropped because and hopefully these people are waking
up to now realize what's going on. According to polling
by Active Vote, Trump's approval rating among the demographic of
rural Americans decline plus twenty two points to plus fourteen
in September. That's a decrease of eight points. And this
is why I specifically was calling out rule voters boom

(14:01):
right here. Rule voters are an important voting block and
are key to Trump's base. Twenty twenty four, he won
sixty three percent of rule voters, up from sixty percent
in twenty twenty according to ap vote cast.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
And this is the whole deal those rule voters. More
pain has to.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Hit them for them to wake up and realize what
the hell did I do?

Speaker 8 (14:25):
And we're seeing that happening with the farmers. We're seeing
that that may happen with the healthcare costs. We're seeing
prices at the grocery store going up, and so everyone
started to feel this pain. And this is because they
have a trifecta that we know who's to blame.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Absolutely, Benga. I appreciate you joining usself on the show.
Look for having you back.

Speaker 10 (14:46):
Thank you for having me sir.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We're going to go to a panel when we come
back after this break. You're watching Rolling Unfiltered on the
Blackstun Network.

Speaker 11 (14:56):
On the other side of change, we are talking about
our lost star, our luminary, our guide, Asada Chakur, who
recently passed away in Cuba.

Speaker 12 (15:06):
We're gonna unpack her legacy.

Speaker 13 (15:08):
I refuse to allow ASADA's legacy to die before children
that aren't even born, like our babies that aren't even born,
must know her and must know her. And that road
map is going to get us closer to liberation and you're.

Speaker 14 (15:22):
Watching the other side of change only on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
If in this country right now, you have people get
up in the morning and the only thing they can
think about is how many people they can hurt, and
they got the power.

Speaker 10 (15:37):
That's the time for morning, for better or worse.

Speaker 15 (15:40):
What makes America special, it's that legal system that's supposed
to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 16 (15:48):
We are at a point of a moral emergency. We
must raise a voice of outrage, we must raise a
voice of compassion.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
And we might raise a voice of unity.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.
We are in a crisis of civilization, a humans rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
And guess what, You've been chosen to make sure.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
That those that would destroy, those that would hate, don't
have the final say, and they don't ultimately win.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I have LaBelle Crawford anywhere bow tie today because I
wanted to breathe. And you're watching.

Speaker 17 (16:34):
Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
All RF folks showing us to talk about this dot
Julian Malbo economist President Mayor have been a college author
of Surviving and Thriving throughout sixty five facts in Black
Economic History. Rebecca Cruthers, President's CEO, Fairy Election Center, both
out of d C.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Let's get right to it. I'm gonna start with you,
Rebecca'm gonna go to Iowa.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
You from one of those red farming states of Nebraska.
Go to my iPad. Joni Ernst United States Centater, she
ain't running for reelection. Republicans are like, oh, hell you
look at some of the special lectures happening in Iowa.
It's some pissed off white folks there in Iowa, and
they should be pissed off. They be getting their asses
lit up. And again, the point that I was trying
to make there with.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Is real simple.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
These white people, these rule white folks, they are going
to have to feel more pain. And yeah, does it
impact black people yes, is it impact with tinos yes,
impact everybody else?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yes. But these are the.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
People who are who are holding up Donald Trump's approval rating.
They're the ones who are still saying, yeah, he's still
my guy. I'm gonna need them to get punched in
the gut, to get popped in the face, to get
hit in the back of the head.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm gonna need them.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
To feel pain in their shins, their ankles, in their knees.
The only way these people are going to wake the
hell up out of this colt following is for them
to be in massive pain.

Speaker 18 (18:05):
You know, Roland, on the show, you've talked about these
groups of people as if they're in a death cult.
And when you're in a death cult, you're willing to die.
You really don't care as long as whiteness can be preserved.
But to your point, for these farmers, when you think
about states like Nebraska, when you think about Iowa, if.

Speaker 19 (18:22):
You're thinking in sports terms, when you.

Speaker 18 (18:24):
Think about the Big Ten, the Big Twelve, and the
SEC the SEC West, those are states where there's a
lot of corn that's grown. The reason why I'm talking
about corn isn't just because I'm from the corn Husker state.
Is that every other year when you plant corn, the
other year you plant soybeans. You plant soybeans because it
helps with the nitrogen balance in the soil. And so

(18:47):
if you can't grow soybeans this year and you can't
sell it, so now the soy has rots within the fields.

Speaker 19 (18:55):
Guess what that happened. Guess what that means? That means
next year, you don't.

Speaker 18 (18:59):
Have the soil balance, so that means you're not going
to be able to grow the crops that you normally
grow in those intervening years.

Speaker 19 (19:05):
So this is going to be not just a.

Speaker 18 (19:07):
Crash in agricultural parts of America this year, but it's
going to be a steadily crash next year, and it's
going to devastate those communities. But to your point, if
you are locked in a death cult, if you are
locked into this thing that is white supremacy, that is
literally killing you, it's going to take a major eruption,
a major shaking to shake you out of that mindset.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, real simple, it has to happen, Julian and bottb
line is they gotta feel it.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
They gotta feel it every single day.

Speaker 19 (19:36):
And they have not felt it yet.

Speaker 20 (19:39):
But the economy is suggesting that we're cruising for a bruising.
So you're not going to feel it today or tomorrow,
but popefully you feel it by midterm elections and then not,
we're going to continue to see as you say, white
folks hit and people who do not believe that black
fat meat is greasy? What do I mean by that?
People told them what was going to happen Project twenty

(20:02):
twenty five, which this man disavowed. I don't know anything
about it is not me. Now he's embracing it. But
they more told what was going to happen, and that's
the irtic thing, and they did not believe it. And
so now it's happening, and it's happening in many steps, Roland,
I mean, but the shutdown makes it a maxi step.
One point six million Americans are affected by this government

(20:25):
shut down. Seven hundred and fifty thousand of them are furloughed.
I have my numbers back then, but a portion are
furloughed and the other portion are working. Is seven hundred
and fifty thousand are working without paychecks. They're supposed to
get their paychecks when the government goes back.

Speaker 17 (20:45):
But now this.

Speaker 20 (20:46):
Administration is saying, well, you know, maybe not, maybe we
won't give people their paychecks. What we know from the
last administry, from the Trump administration in twenty nineteen, legislation
was passed and said when people are laid off, they
come back, they get their back pay.

Speaker 17 (21:01):
So a lot of people were not like that worried.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
They were worried.

Speaker 20 (21:05):
Of course, most Americans actually work paycheck to paycheck, but
they weren't. So, well, we'll get the money back, you know,
maybe we'll take a loan, maybe the landlord to let
us have a couple other weeks. But now he said, well,
you might get your money and you might not. Recessions
do not go by party. It's not a recession that

(21:26):
hits just democrats. And in fact, what we're seeing, as
the data you shared and his sister has shared earlier,
is that in many states you have red voters who
are gonna be much more hard hit and hopefully they
will wake up and smell the coffee. But many of
them are still in the Trump's way of well, he's

(21:49):
our guy. What we're gonna have to see is when
your guy screws you, what you're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, And here's the reality, Rebecca.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right here, the ip at antoine electricity prices up.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yep, they're up, so other people are paying more.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Then while that's happening, this idiot is sitting here snatching
grants from plate from airports and others.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
When it comes to.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
That comes to air, when it comes to win, when
it comes to solar, even though it's working.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Not only that will check this out.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Same thing all of these people who depends more on healthcare.
Look at this percentage growth in Affordable Care Act marketplace
sign ups twenty twenty twenty twenty five. HM, where's the
most sign up those dark places? Let's see hum Arizona red, Texas, red,

(22:42):
Iowa red, Arkansas red, Louisiana red, Mississippi red, Alabama red,
Georgia reds South Carolina red, Tennessee red, West Virginia red,
Ohio red, Indiana red. And this is this is, this
is why I don't understand REBACKLA. If I'm Democrats, I'm
going at the heart. If I'm Ken Martin the d
If I'm Chuck Schumer, if I'm Jeffries, I'm going at

(23:04):
the heart of these folks saying, Hey, y'all really love
y'all some Affordable Care Act. Y'all are the sickest, you're
the brokest, you're the widest, you're the most illiterate. Places
in the country, y'all really need the Affordable Care Act.
Go at the heart, I'm saying, Bernie Sanders, take your

(23:26):
ass of these red places. Lizabeth Warren AOC go to
these red states. You gotta go there and literally get
on those local television stations and radio stations and newspapers
and say, y'all, ass is sick.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And your vodeo gets your own.

Speaker 18 (23:43):
Interest, Roland, it is a sickness. But also you mentioned electricity.
We also got to mention water. We have to talk
about what's happening in the utilities. And that's before we
get to that new healthcare bill that people are gonna
get in the mail within the next few weeks.

Speaker 19 (23:59):
And so when we say.

Speaker 18 (24:00):
Think about the utilities, especially in that map that you showed,
especially in those darker areas, those are also states where
there is a deregulation, meaning that there is an actual
regulatory system to make sure that people aren't getting price goalgs.

Speaker 19 (24:13):
So, using the example of Texas.

Speaker 18 (24:15):
Whenever Texas has some type of bad weather where there's
an icy storm or there's a hurricane coming all of
a sudden, people's people's electricity doubles, triples, quadruples, goes up
into the thousands. Because the way electricity is metered in
Texas is that it's not set it's determined upon the market.

(24:35):
The reason why people should be concerned about that. You've
talked about some of the data centers that are showing
up all over the country. We hear about the environl
racism that happens with the data centers, for instance, as
in South Memphis, but there's also beyond the environmental racism.
There's the cost for utilities. Virtually everyone in this country.

(24:55):
Compared to last year doing year over year analysis, they're
electricity has went up. When we look at the state
of Minnesota, they just decided to privatize their their their
electric utility, which means that once it's privatized, once we
remove some of the regulations, those costs going to continue
the skyrocket. I know people love to make their cat

(25:19):
videos using AI, but each time you do that, that
costs about six bottles of water. So now we have
to talk about how our water utilities are also going
to go up. So it's not just that food prices
at the pump that agrarian produce.

Speaker 19 (25:35):
And all that stuff is going up.

Speaker 18 (25:37):
And that's before you start dealing with a downstream with
the manufacturing and processed foods. Now, your electricity is going up,
your water is going up, and on top of everything,
your god darn a healthcare is getting ready.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
To go up.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, now I showed you those dark colors, the colors
that are right below them.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Back to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Let's see Florida red, Missouri red, Michigan win for Trump,
Kansas red, Utah read so the dominant places that are
so dependent upon the Affordable Care Act, all these places
that voted.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
For Donald Trump. Ain't that something got to go to break?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
We come back, We're gonna talk about this happening in
Florida where these ignorant, crazy right wing conservatives are trying
to force every state university, including Florida A and M,
to erect monuments to Charlie Kirk or risk losing their
state funding. We'll talk to a Florida state senator next.
Support the work that we do. Joy not bring the
Funk fan Club. Your dollars are critically important bus to

(26:38):
do the work. The goals to raise a million dollars
between now the end of the year for the preduce
that we are launching, folks, if you want to. We've
got a new daily show, We're launching a midday news show.
We've got a weekly show we're launching. Also, we're completely
changing Blackstar Network dot com to be a news portal,
and so your support is critical.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Use a stripe cure code. You see a the bottom
right left hand corner.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Use it for also credit cards, paypals are and unfiltered
venmo r M, unfiltered Zail, rolling at Rollins Martin dot com,
rolling at rolling onfilter dot com. Check some money orders,
make it payable to Rolling Martin unfiltered peel Box five
seven one ninety six, Washington d C two zero zero
three seven dad zero one ninety six Back in the moment.

Speaker 21 (27:19):
Next on the Black Table with me Craig Carr, a
reminder that there is always more to a story than
meets the From book bannings, growing censorship in our classrooms,
and the loss of basic human rights, the actual motivations
behind those actions and others paint an even more troubling
picture than most of us realize.

Speaker 22 (27:41):
What we need to do is bring this issue front
and center to the table, because the alternative is that
we'll just go down slow, which.

Speaker 10 (27:51):
Is no way to go down.

Speaker 21 (27:52):
Master historian and educator doctor Gerald Horn joins us again,
and we take a deep dive into the truths behind
the headlines of the day and how we might be
able to turn the time. That's on the next black table.
Here on the Black Star network.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Hello, I'm isaaca's third founder and CEO fan Base, and
I'm here with a very important message. We are at
a turning point in the Black community where we must
have equity and apps. We use that scale to billions
of dollars, but this time we own the infrastructure, we
own the culture, and we shape the future. And fan

(28:32):
Base is the future. Fan Base combines the free functionality
of Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube into an all in one
platform built for the evolution of social media and monetization.
With over one point four million users, that's real proof
that we are shifting the conversation of tech ownership and
equity for creators. So right now I want you to

(28:54):
go to start Engine dot com slash fan Base and
invest today. The minimum to invest is three hundred and
nine nine dollars. That gets you sixty shares of stocking
fan Base at six sixty five a share. This marks
a turning point in Black ownership of social media. If
we don't take this opportunity to own social media right now,
we will always be customers to our own creations and

(29:15):
that can't go on. So once again, go to start
Engine dot com slash fan Base and invest today, we
must own the platforms where our voices live, our stories matter,
and where our culture drives the world. Thank you, Hey.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
What's up everybody? It's God be the funniest dude on
the planet, and you're.

Speaker 10 (29:40):
Watching Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, there's the ranged Wifer servers doing all they can
to turn Charlie Kirk into a saint. Of course, he
was a shot and killed last month speaking at Utah.
Now in Florida, Republican state rep wants every public university
to rename certain campus roads after Kirk. Yeah, Kevin Steel's
bill would also withhold state funding from any university that

(30:13):
does not comply within ninety days of the law's passage.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Not happening just in Florida.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Similar bills are popping up across the country as part
of a wave of memorial efforts for Kirk. Yeah, far
astate Senator Chevyn Jones. Jones is right now. I'm glad
to have you on the show. This is just insane,
this particular bill. You know what they want to do
and say, oh, university, do not comply, We're gonna pull funding.
I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk is not worthy of a memorial

(30:43):
on every public university campus in Florida or anywhere else
in this country.

Speaker 23 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, well first Roland.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, like my nephews said, I always
say to tell the state of Florida to stop capping.

Speaker 23 (30:57):
I'll tell you why.

Speaker 9 (30:59):
Yeah, the representatives still fouling this bill and not even
having a singer companion yet.

Speaker 10 (31:05):
But I do know Flora very well.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
And so I know that now that the bill has
been fouled, eventually something probably will come. But the second
President has told us that he does not want a
cultural war. And it's no secret that this is an
absolute overreach. And for decades the universities have made their
own name and decision. Nobody from Callahassee or other government's
office have ever stepped into this process.

Speaker 23 (31:27):
And I've been in this process for thirteen years.

Speaker 9 (31:29):
Now, suddenly they want to force institutions to name roles
after Charlie Kirk. And this clear is not policy, and
I be honest with you, it's absolute political theater. So
let's be clear yet that we make it clear in
the Democratic Caucus, and we set it today even in
the press conference, that violence is never acceptable and we
should all couldgim it.

Speaker 23 (31:46):
But dying violently doesn't erase a man's record.

Speaker 9 (31:49):
Charlie Curve, as we know, he built a career off
of the race big and off of mocking black folks
and off of spreading division. Now here's what I will say,
Rowland as a Family graduate is an absolutely slap in.

Speaker 23 (32:00):
The face to the number one HBCU within this country.

Speaker 9 (32:04):
To now you're telling that if we don't name a
particular role after Charlie Kurk, now we risk getting funding.

Speaker 23 (32:12):
And so yes, as a proud.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
Graduate, you mean the names of those roles that are
on Family use campus now that you wants to change.
They honor the people who built that legacy through the blood,
sweat and tears, people who made sure students like Nicle
walk those grounds with pride. And so I can tell
you that we're gonna fight like hell in the Senate
because we met with We're gonna we're meeting with the
Senate President as not just as a Black caucus, but

(32:35):
as a Democratic caucus, because we were able to stop
a lot of these bills last year and we are
going to try to do the same this session. The
problem is is if Donald Trump gets into the ear
of the leadership of these chambers. The game is over.
They're gonna push this all the way through and as
far as they can.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And so now the question is will MAGA appoint presidential
appointee Marvra what was president of Florida A and M
Is she gonna have the courage to tell them, y'all
that is not a good idea on my campus.

Speaker 23 (33:10):
Well, well, Roland, I don't know if you heard, but
you see that.

Speaker 9 (33:13):
I'm sure you know that you have this blessed that's
about to go across the country to HBCU homecomings and
they'll be here at Florida A and M on the seventeen.

Speaker 23 (33:23):
I have not spoken to President Johnson as of yet,
but I.

Speaker 9 (33:26):
Do know, and I don't know if you all remember, but
a year before last in the bill that was fouled,
which was the stop Woke at it prevented that any
institution that stops any diverse conversations of happening on their
college campus, you are now in.

Speaker 23 (33:44):
Violation of the law.

Speaker 9 (33:46):
And so the question now becomes, if these universities pushed
back on this, are they violating the law. And I
could be honest with you, the Student Government Association president
and the faculty and staff at for And University. They
have now gotten wind of this and have made the
clarion call to the to the legislature to make it clear.

Speaker 23 (34:06):
That they do not want this on their campus.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
And I'm hoping that President Johnson where I sit on
her transition team, and I'm sure that this is a
conversation that we would love to engage in. And what
does this look like in us moving forward with this
type of legislation on a predominantly black campus when we
know what this man has said about black people and
more particularly black women.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, it's certainly in the case of in the case
of this Florida bill, they talking about the street in Oklahoma.
This guy literally wants a memorial plaza on every state
campus and that would include Langston University.

Speaker 9 (34:45):
But see, but Roland, I think we need to understand
what's happening right now. Yeah, this I call these fight
picking bills, although real these are fight picking bills because
they don't want to talk about I mean, I just
listened to your last and the last segment is absolutely
true as it pertains to affordability crisis that we have
in here.

Speaker 23 (35:05):
Look at what's happening in Florida. Florida has the highest
car insurance.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
Rates in the in the country where people already can't
afford their their their property insurance. But yet and still
we're filing a bill. When it comes to Charlie Curve,
someone who's gonna not give a damn about or what not,
spit on me if I was on fire.

Speaker 23 (35:22):
And now we're talking.

Speaker 9 (35:23):
About this being the top of our legislative session that
starts in January, where people can't even damn live.

Speaker 23 (35:29):
Come on, I think if.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
I share share with our league and calls our chair
this past week, is that we have to start doing
as you just said, start hitting them on the affordability issues.
Stop playing paddy cake with these Republicans because they are
not coming to this fight just fighting with fire. They
are coming with big guns, and we need to be
doing the same and fight fire with fire. The time

(35:51):
out for playing nice. I think we need to go
in guns blazing this legislative session because they're coming. They're
coming for it, because this is the legislative year and
supple the polling is down in Florida.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Julian.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
It really is some silly stuff that we're seeing these
folks do. But they want the culture war.

Speaker 20 (36:08):
They want this battle more so than the economic war. Rowland,
that's the issue. This man came in here saying I'm
gonna fix the economy. I'm gonna fix the economy. He
did not fix the economy. Instead, he's waited in the
waters of a cultural war. How dare they? If every
Florida university had to name something, they ought to name

(36:29):
it after Rosewood. There'll be a Rosewood Avenue, you know,
Rosewood Drive to talk about what happened to black.

Speaker 12 (36:36):
People in Rosewood.

Speaker 20 (36:38):
Instead, this fool and his minions, who all drink some
kind of weird kool aid, are saying every state university
in Florida should name something after Charlie. Who was Charlie Kirk?
Why do we want to name stuff after him? Why
don't we want to canonize a man who said that
black women were stupid, that we did not have the

(37:00):
mental capacity to do anything. I mean, every time I
think about it, you know, I first get angry and
then I get resilient, But I first get because it's
like drinking out of a damn excuse my language. What
holes you drink out of water?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Every day?

Speaker 20 (37:15):
They have some stupidity that they're doing with Pam Bondy,
with her you know, you know, I mean, forgive my ignorance,
but do they have like a clone factory where all
these white women get their lips pumped up and the
hair extended. I'm just asking. I don't know the answer
to that. But they all look alike. They look like Milania.

(37:39):
That's another story.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
It's all a Rebecca at the end of the day.
This is a part of the strategy. And listen, what
when you talk about this stupid ass blecksit coming to campus.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
What they want is they want the moments.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
To go viral. Hey, I think that. I think that
here to me is what happens. You're Florida State, It's
gonna be a Florida and.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
M N HBCU. You completely ignore.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Them, literally, you tell students totally ignore them, walk right
past them. You ignore them because what they want when
those white boys went to Tennessee State, they wanted the reaction.
That's what they desired. Then they can go on all
these conservative talk shows and podcasts, raise money and trash

(38:25):
these HBCUs. You ignore them, that's what you do.

Speaker 18 (38:33):
You know, this isn't the first time this type of
cabal try to show up in campuses and target HBCUs
and guess what, we didn't really hear anything out of it.
I don't think this is going to be anything different.
I think they're trying to sensationalize things. I think they're
trying to get attention, like you said this for clicks
and views. But talking about the renaming of things, here's
the thing about black folks. For us, joy is resistance,

(38:56):
resilience and rest is also resistance. But here's one thing
that I know when it comes to naming conventions. We're
gonna call a thing what we're gonna call it, regardless
what somebody else says, which is why over half of
us have nicknames and no one knows us by our
government names, or the reason why we call all facial tissue.

Speaker 24 (39:12):
Kleenex, regardless of the brand.

Speaker 19 (39:14):
At the end of the day, we're gonna do what
we want, Bruland.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
Here's what I'll tell you. It took them seven years.
We voted for a slavery memorial seven years ago. It
took them seven years for them to put that slavery
memorial up. It just got up two months ago. And
it's amazing to me that for that for seven years.
You're saying that if you don't put up a damn
sign in ninety days, you lose your state funding. Now

(39:43):
talk about that, and let's talk about where's the fairness
and that never existed in the state of Florida.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Indeed, indeed, all right, stay saying the John's appreciate it,
thanks lot. All right, folks, going to break, we come back.
We're gonna talk about Trump going after the mayor of Chicago,
the governor of Illinois. Also, who talk about Representive Hakking
Jeffries had a war words with Representative Mike Laul of
New York. Will show you that you're watching Roll unfilched

(40:11):
on the Blackstung Network.

Speaker 21 (40:16):
Next on the Black Table with me Craig Carr, a
meets the From book bannings, growing censorship in our classrooms,
and the loss of basic human rights, the actual motivations

Speaker 22 (40:38):
we'll just go down slow, which is no way to
go down.

Speaker 21 (40:49):
the headlines of the day. We might be able to
turn the time. That's on the next Black Table here
on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 25 (41:09):
Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene white nationalists rally
that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
White people are losing their their minds.

Speaker 26 (41:22):
As an angry pro Trump mock storms to the US capital.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
The six show, We're about to.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
See the lies what I call white minority resistance.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 27 (41:36):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 19 (41:41):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 8 (41:42):
Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been but Carol Anderson at
every university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
This is the rise of the proud Boys and the
Boogaaloo boys America. There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 28 (42:00):
Just getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and its attitudes
because of the fear of white people the.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Few that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
Taking our women. This is white Field.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Lil Thompson with women with black men. Dot org. You're
watching Roland Martin unfiltered, the thirty.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Four count criminally convicted felon in chief. He's saying, Chicago
Mayor Brandon Johnson, you'll want to Governor JB. Pritsker should
be behind bars. Really this idiot posting this on social media.
Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect
ICE officers, Trump posted. Governor Printzker also, Pritzker said, I
won't back down. Trump is down, calling for the rest

(43:01):
of elected to represent their checking his power. What else
is left on the path to full blown authoritarianism? It's
all Chicago Mayor Johnson responded, this is not the first
time Trump is trying to have a black man unjustly arrested.
I'm not going anywhere the exchange. Following Mayor Johnson's executive
order prohibiting ICE and other federal agencies from using the

(43:21):
city property for civil immigration enforcement and Illinois's lawsuits seeking
the block, Trump's deployment of hundreds of National Guard troops
to Chicago, a move a federal judge immediately halted.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
But not only that, y'all.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Then you have this idiot out of Texas, Greg Abbot,
who is sending troops, sending troops from Texas to Illinois.
Now keep in mind, this is the same Greg Abbot
who sent undocumented workers to Illinois. So just so we
can keep up, Greg Abbot is sending Czexas troops to

(43:55):
Illinois to deal with the issue of undocumented workers that
he sent to Illinois. I hope y'all are keeping up.
That's how stupid these people are. That's how dumb they are.

(44:19):
Then you got Ice Barbie Okay, who ain't the brightest
bulb in the dark room.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
She also said stupid stuff like this.

Speaker 29 (44:27):
In Chicago, we had a ten car caravan trail our
Ice officials and pin them down, and those Ice officials
to get out of their vehicles. A woman tried to
ram them and run them over, and they shots were
fired to get them to safety. So it's happening on
a regular basis, and any elected official that allows this
to happen and gives cover to those kind of individuals

(44:49):
who are perpetuating murder should absolutely be prosecuted.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
In she's lying, she's lying, and they are very good
at that. They lie and they lie in they lie,
and they lie and they lie, and so this is
just what they do. Here's Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson speaking
on this issue on CNN Watch this.

Speaker 30 (45:11):
If he was serious about safety, he would not have
defunded a program of eight hundred million dollars that was
geared towards volence prevention. He cut the ATF budget by
thirty percent. He has defunded our education system, he has
defunded our transportation system. He is firing black women across
this country. He's defunding our healthcare system. This president is

(45:34):
absolutely out of control and it's incumbent upon all of us.
If there was ever a time for working people to
unite in this country, now is that time. And the
City of Chicago is going to stand firm and protecting
humanity and protecting and defending our democracy.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, Rebecca, a lot of people were giving California
Governor Gavenu some credit and still Alark file he is
firing back at Trump. Well, guess what, Mayor Brannan Johnson
is doing one head of job as well, properly laying
the foundation and speaking directly to the issues as to
what these idiots are doing.

Speaker 18 (46:08):
You know, and it's very important to see the mayor
speaking up and telling people. Between he and Governor Pritzker
telling folks, make sure you're recording everything. The reason why
that's so important is next month is the start of
the sixtieth anniversary of the Nuremberg Trials, and.

Speaker 19 (46:25):
There's going to be an account.

Speaker 18 (46:27):
There's going to be liability for what's happening now during
this period. But people can't just post the stuff on
social media. People are going to have to hold these
records because these are going to be the very records
are going to be used when it's time to have
the legal regony for what's happening now. As we're watching
this administration work outside of the constitution, we watch this

(46:49):
administration say things such as the president has plenary powers
aka ultimate authority, even usurping the constitution. So there's going
to be a legal reckoning that's going to come out
of this.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Absolutely, Juliana and and they're just seeing crazy stuff what
they're doing and what is insane when we look at
what's happening here now. They're considering the Insurrection Act because
he wants to see in troops everywhere. That's what they're doing.
So it's just it's like, like, what the hell are
y'all doing? He wants to see these troops on the

(47:26):
on the treats of America because he wants to be
a strong man.

Speaker 20 (47:30):
You know, this is such absurdity when you think about
the many times that troops have gone to the streets.
We've seen it before, We've seen it.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
Little Rock.

Speaker 20 (47:44):
But this is a manufactured crisis. This is not a
crisis of any stories manufactured. And what they continue to
do is say the same thing over and over and
over again. And those of us and I say, who
don't selectively look at their news, they're not looking at
Roland Martin unfiltered, They're not.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Looking at the root.

Speaker 20 (48:07):
They're looking at this crap that keeps repeated and then
they'll repeat it back to you. And so when you
see what's going on, I mean this whole notion of
canonizing Charlie Kirk and requiring Florida universities to do streets
after him, the whole notion of lying of as you said, lie,

(48:30):
They're lying is what they specialize in. But the challenge
with their lives is that there are a few Roland
who are willing to refute them and so they put
it out there, and this Congress knows better what bothers
me the most about anything. I love Khakim. I love
my Democrats, some of them, but many of these Republicans

(48:52):
know better. When even Marjorie Taylor Green says, wait a minute,
so my constituents are going to lose their health care,
when either Marjorie Taylor Green says wait a minute, why
are the rest of them silent?

Speaker 17 (49:04):
And so we're looking at a.

Speaker 20 (49:06):
Situation where I'm speakless because I'm trying not to use
a lot of profanity. You do, and I'm trying not
to in my old age. I'm trying to give up profanity.
Oh well, but this insanity of going after what's what's

(49:26):
going on? This this insanity has gone unchecked, I mean unchecked,
and that that's a challenge, is the way that this
nonsense has been unchecked. So when we look at what's
happening in Florida, was Chicago, but that's Hubt, that's Hubert
Brandon and bless you, Governor Princeville.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
But here's the whole deal here.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
This is how amyor Johnson responded to Texas Governor Greg
Abbott sending those troops to Chicago.

Speaker 31 (49:55):
The governor of Texas should be worrying about Texas. Why
are all over in my business focus on Texas.

Speaker 32 (50:01):
The minimum wage in Texas is seven dollars and twenty
five cents. The life expectancy in Texas is lower than Chicago.
The governor of Texas spend two hundred million dollars that
should be going towards raising the minimum wage in Texas,
that should be going towards making sure that life expectancy
is not cut off. Two hundred million dollars to bus
migrants to the cities across America.

Speaker 31 (50:22):
He dealt with a storm where seven hundred people die.

Speaker 32 (50:25):
Whatever his understanding is, and clearly he doesn't understand how
to make sure that workers have a livable wage. He
doesn't understand how to make sure that life expectancy is
not cut off because you're poor. He s only does
not understand how to deal with a crisis with seven
hundred people died in a storm, two hundred million dollars,
two hundred million dollars of Texan tax dollars that went
towards bussing migrants.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's how you respond, Rebecca.

Speaker 18 (50:50):
Absolutely, you respond with facts because he's creating a public record,
because it what's unfortunate when we look at some of
the corporate media, they're not properly reporting and what's happening. Instead,
they see this trumped up White House presser and you
see the faux outrage if we don't know why the
Mayor Johnson has an issue with us, and then you

(51:11):
see the very in passion Mayor Johnson, and a lot
of people are left wondering, what, hey, what's really going on?

Speaker 19 (51:18):
Why is why is he going.

Speaker 18 (51:20):
To tend when they're on a three and so it's
very important for him.

Speaker 19 (51:23):
To provide that data, those facts.

Speaker 18 (51:25):
So when his press conferences breaks through the algorithm online,
people are actually informed and they understand what's happening. Because
what's very unfortunate is this White House refuses to tell
the truth. But this White House is also intentionally lying
and misguiding Americans in this country. And we really need
for people of goodwill to understand what's happening because one

(51:49):
thing that we know, even though about two thirds of
the world is under authoritarian rule, we know it only
takes two point five percent of a population to disrupt
and stop authoritarians. That is about nine million folks in
this country. If we get nine million people in this
country the stand up, get involved, be informed, that is

(52:09):
enough to stop this absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And so it's a whole lot going on here, all right.
Going to a quick break, we come back. Government shutdown
continues and man our Democratic leader Haking Jeffreys goes at
it with a fellow Congressman, Republican from New York. Will
show you what happened in the halls of Congress. You're
watching Roland unfilter on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 11 (52:33):
This week on the Other Side of Change, we are
talking about our lost star, our luminary, our guide, Asada Shakur,
who recently passed away in Cuba.

Speaker 12 (52:44):
We're going to unpack her legacy.

Speaker 13 (52:46):
map is going to get us closer to liberate.

Speaker 14 (53:00):
And you're watching the Other Side of Change only on
the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 21 (53:05):
Next, on the Black Table with Me Craig Carr, a
meets the from book Bannings, growing censorship in our classrooms
and the loss of basic human rights. The actual motivations

Speaker 22 (53:26):
we'll just go down slow, which is no way to
go down.

Speaker 21 (53:38):
the headlines of the day and how we might be
able to turn the tie. That's on the next black
table here on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
This is Eric Dickerson, and you're watching rolling unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Mhmm, gomma shut down continues, and ma'am, things get a
little spicy in the halls of Congress. House Democrat Leader
Kim Jeffers held this daily news conference. We carried it
right here in the Black Stuard Network. So Republican Might
Lawlor of New York decided to confront Jeffries.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
That's how that went.

Speaker 33 (54:29):
From your extension from your boy yours.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
Trump.

Speaker 31 (54:39):
By the way, let me ask you, Let me ask
your question.

Speaker 19 (54:42):
Do you know, let me.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Ask you a question?

Speaker 34 (54:44):
For years, you're making.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
You're making a show of this.

Speaker 26 (54:48):
To you you're embarrassing yourself.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
You're an embarrassed as your question for Democrats, let.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
Me ask your question.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
Let me ask your question.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You voted for the one they're gonna be correct.

Speaker 19 (55:04):
I voted for the largest, the largest task.

Speaker 27 (55:07):
Cut the Americans in history, a large by the way,
the average New York are getting a four thousand dollars
tax cut.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Are you against that? You're embarrassing?

Speaker 19 (55:14):
You want you want to cut the standard deduction.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
In the largest cut to Medicaid America.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
You voted for that fraud and abused by you voted
a permanent controller of ask your question pointed out that
if you're gonna waste said.

Speaker 10 (55:29):
You're not gonna you're not gonna talk. You're not gonna
talk to me. You're not gonna talk to.

Speaker 26 (55:33):
Me and talk over me because you don't want to
hear what I have to say. Why don't you just
keep your mouth shut? Because you showed up, You showed up,
you showed up, and so you voted for this one
bag off in the bill. You can extend it, permanent
extension of massive tax breaks for your billionaire.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
They can get I.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Meanwhile, new legal challenges are bringing against UH these mac
for the languages, posting on federal websites and the government
emails accusing Democrats of cause of the shutdown. The Department
Agaculture's website currently features this message, the radical left Democrats
shut down the government. The government website will be updated
periodically during the funding lapses for mission critical functions.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Trump has made it clear, y'all, No, I don't call
him President.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Trump has made it clear he wants to keep the
government open and support those who feed, fuel and clothe
the American people. Yeah, they don't care about the Hatch Act.
They really don't care. Washington State Congressman Adam Smith Jones
is right now. Congress Smith, glad to have you here
on Roland Martin Unfiltered and what we saw there that
exchange between Jeffreys and Lawler. Frankly, that needs to happen
with more Democrats. I remember when I remember when Jamal

(56:40):
Bowman was in Congress and a lot of Democrats who
were really upset when he confronted some Republicans in the hall.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
What I am hearing from people all.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Across the country, and I travel all across this country,
they are saying they want to see some fight. Some
gusto from Democrats in challenging these magga Republicans every day.

Speaker 33 (56:59):
Yeah, and that's happening. You're seeing Democrats all across the country.
I've seen it for a year now, you know, calling
out the authoritarian approach to governing that Donald Trump has
taken a budget that, as Hakeem pointed out, has gutted
healthcare in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy, his
illegal terroriffts that are driving up costs on everyday Americans.
You know, his freezing of spending across the country without

(57:22):
any legal authority to do so.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
So I think you've seen that, You've seen that fight.
We have to stick to it.

Speaker 33 (57:28):
We have to be united, and we have to stand
together right now more than ever, because we have drawn
a line in the sand on the budget bill right now,
on continuing the Trump budget and said no, we're not
going to do that unless you make some changes. And
I think we all need to stand united in that fight.
I applied Hakeem for standing up. I think it's ridiculous
of Mike Lawler to show up in a cost Hakeem

(57:48):
and just shouted just talk over him, you know, never
listen to anything has to say. Just try to braid
him and bully him. And I agree with Akem that's embarrassing.
Mike Lawler is an absolute embarrassment. He thinks that's the
way we ought to have conversations.

Speaker 10 (58:01):
He wants to make a point.

Speaker 33 (58:02):
Make the point, then forgive me, shut the fuck up
and let it Kim say something instead of just talking
over in constantly.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I agree one thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
And what I said there was I had a Democratic
strategies on here actually at the end, who said, hey,
Democrats shouldn't go go to the map on this, I said, no,
you have to. I said, force them to have to
defend this and expose the reality of these red state
voters who are desperately.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Depending on healthcare.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
And I said, Democrats got to stop bailing these folks
out who are never going to vote for them anyway.
They have to show they have to put it up
there every day and say you're going to lose your
health care because of these idiots, and you got to
force them to have to own that.

Speaker 33 (58:48):
Yeah, well, I think we have to have the debate
and say, look, the Trump budget guts your healthcare, drives
up your prices, and is going to take millions of
people off of healthcare. Frankly, I don't care if these
people are Red state, Blue state, whoever they are. We're
talking about millions of Americans who are going to lose
their health care insurance, and understand something.

Speaker 10 (59:06):
For the tens of millions of Americans.

Speaker 33 (59:08):
Who aren't going to lose their health insurance, this still
costs you because the more people who don't have insurance,
the more uncompensated care has to be provided, and more
healthcare goes up for everyone. So knocking all these people
off of health care is going to cause It's going
to cause real hospitals to close, It's going to cause
community healthcare clinics to close. Don't think that this is

(59:29):
just going to impact those people who see their premiums
go up and lose their health insurance. It's going to
impact everybody who's trying to buy healthcare. And I think
we had to drive that point home and forward. I
don't think we should focus and blame the Red state
people for one thing or another. We should just lay
the facts out to them about what is going to
happen from a policy perspective that's going to impact them.

(59:52):
And I think A team and others have been doing
a damn good job of that in Congressman.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Here's why I disagree with why I think it has
to be specific to Red state. I'm born and raised
in Texas. I'm still a registered voter in Texas. I've
spent I spend a ton of time on the road.
I was in Louisiana speaking to Louisiana State Conference the
NAACP on Saturday again, MAGA Governor Jeff Landry. I got
to deal with Greg Abbott in Texas. I spend lots

(01:00:18):
of time in Georgia and all these different places. And
here's what I have been saying. And I said this
director to President Obama when he was there. I think
what Democrats have done. Democrats have played nice discussing healthcare.
Obama used to go to the suburbs of Ohio, in
Virginia and Maryland discussing again. And I said to him,
and I said, the Valerie jarreted, I said, take this
thing to the widest, reddest, sickest parts of the country

(01:00:41):
and literally say, I passed this bill for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Go to my iPad Antoine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
This is the percentage of growth of a Fordable care
ag marketplace sign ups in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Last five years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
The dark portions are the places with the most sign
ups South Carolina, Red, Georgia, Red, Alabama, Red, Mississippi, Red, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, Arizona, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio,
West Virginia all read. The second group Florida, Missouri, Kansas, Utah,
Michigan all read in Michigan, of course, went for Trump

(01:01:10):
as well. The reason I'm saying this is that I
get all. I get that, but I think one of
the mistakes that Democrats made is not specifically saying two
folks in red states, Hey, you may not realize it,
but you're one of the sikey states in the country.
You need health care, you need these snap benefits, and

(01:01:31):
you should be asking your two US senators and your congressmen,
why are they voting against you. A lot of these
folks don't think it's them. They think, oh, it's hurting
those people. It's hurting them. It's like, no, no, no,
it's hurting you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
Yes, we have to make that case, no question.

Speaker 33 (01:01:48):
We have to make it broadly, and we certainly have
to make the case to people whose votes we have
not yet gotten. And I think you're right. You go
to red states, you know, states that have voted for Republicans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
We have to.

Speaker 33 (01:01:58):
Convince them that they should change where they're at, and
I think pointing out to them the impacts of those
policies makes sense. I just want to be very careful
about not being condescending to them and implying that somehow
they don't know what's in their best interests. I think
we have to make the case that this is the
impact and open our tent wide enough to welcome them
back in well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
As as somebody who gain born and raised he is.
Howard Dane said this in two thousand and four. He
said Republicans use God, gays, and guns to deflect Obama
talked about folks loving their guns and their religious Republicans
lost their minds. But so the reality is Republicans use
culture wars to appeal to their base. That gets their
eyes off off of the economic issues.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
And say, listen, I get Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I go on shows, Republicans go, well, black voters, why
are black people voting against their interests? What have you
gotten from the Democratic Party? And I'm like, what a
broke white people gotten from the Republican Party by keep
voting for them and voting against their interests?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
So and then all of a sudden, look at I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Say, wait a minute, il I say, if Republican pologies
are so great that you want black people to vote
for them, why are most black people in red states?
And I said, why those red states some of the
broke is. It's amazing when they get real quiet when
you deal with that. But that see, I use dat.
I'm like, I'm sorry, you want to argue with me,
but healthcare, education, economics, red states at the bottom, blue

(01:03:23):
counties represented. Say you're from seventy one percent of America's
GDP comes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
From blue counties. Matt, That math is mathw.

Speaker 33 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I think that that's a huge part of the
argument we have to make, and I will agree with
the upfront point. We got to be really aggressive about it.
What Trump is doing certainly is a threat to our democracy,
but it's also a threat to our economic well being
and is specifically a threat to the working class in
this country, the people who most need help right now
as wealth has been concentrated or being hurt by Trump's policy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
One of the things that we also are seeing it
is the obviously they had no problem being hypocritical, but
how do you respond to Speaker Mike Johnson literally literally, Okay,
we lost the congressman there. I don't know what happened there,
so y'all let me know when we get him back.
We'll wait to get him back, Rebecca.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I'll go to you. This thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It just it infuriates me, Rebecca. When Democrats are not
as aggressive and literally saying you have the worst education,
the worst healthcare, the worst economic outcomes. Why you keep
voting for these cats who love to fund billionaires.

Speaker 18 (01:04:42):
Roland in two thousand and nine, I worked for Congressman
John Dino on the hill, and I worked in an Affordable
Care Act, and so listening to the exchange reminded me
of some of the internal conversations and debates, and the
issue was Democrats lost the messaging. The messaging is very
simple when it comes to the to Obamacare or the
Affordable Care Act. It's that insurers they know up to

(01:05:06):
twenty fifty years what the actuarro rates are, i e.
How much they're going to charge folks based upon life
expectancy and outcomes. They already know what those numbers are.
Those numbers are going to skyrock. They're not going to
just go at a slant like this, but they're going
to go up like this. So the point of the
ACA was to slow this down to this, so American

(01:05:29):
consumers aren't paying five thousand percent over the next ten
years of what their current insurance premium is.

Speaker 19 (01:05:37):
That's how you talk about it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:39):
You talk about, hey, this industry is causing prices to skyrocket.
We're trying to slow that down for you because we
want to make sure with your private insurance you are
able to go to the hospital, but you're also able
to do preventive care where you can avoid the emergency
room if possible, but you can do routine care with
a primary care provide.

Speaker 19 (01:06:00):
That's how you have to talk about.

Speaker 18 (01:06:02):
It and explaining it's not condescension like to me, it's
I'm a little taken aback to hear a member of
Congress say, hey, if we explain public policy to people
in terms in which they understand, Oh, they may not
like us doing that, but guess what people need to
know what's happening in this country, because then voters are
actually empowered.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
This happened today to Arizona senators jammed up speaking Mike
Johnson saying, why are you not seating a duly elected
Democrat because and my Johnson keeps trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Say, oh, no, I had nothing due with Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
We know he lying because he he appointed two Republicans
during a performer session. Being a performance session right now,
what's the problem. I love this exchange again, this is
how you challenge these folks, watch.

Speaker 15 (01:06:47):
It ours so we need Yeah, just keeps on doing.

Speaker 10 (01:06:57):
Yeah, it's great if you want representation.

Speaker 35 (01:07:01):
Fifty Wait, but that addressed that you interested the answer
the question. We're happy that she got elected. She's filling
her father's seat. That's fantastic. We have a long tradition
year in a process of how we administered the oath
to a member. You know, you served here for a while. Uh,
we're going to do that as soon as we get
back to work. But we need the lights turn back on.
So we encouraged both of you to.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
Go open to government. Everybody back to Republic for the
person the circumstance.

Speaker 34 (01:07:27):
The exception is there were two Floridians who were elected
in a special election that's happened a couple months back.
They were here on a day, they had their families here,
They had a scheduled day for the oath of office,
and the House was called out of session that day.
They had all their family and friends here, So we
went ahead and went through the process and speak for it,
let me finish, wait, let me answer the question, you
can ask it. And so that was the accepsion we

(01:07:48):
did because the family was here. Misster Hava recollect Rahava
has not yet had a scheduled date because she was
elected after the House was out of session.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
So I am.

Speaker 10 (01:07:58):
Anxious to administer the oath to her.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You guys, you don't want to be on epteen discharge
how much because.

Speaker 10 (01:08:04):
You're totally observed. You guys are experts and stranging them on.
There's nothing new with Epstein. The House Over Sec Committee.

Speaker 34 (01:08:11):
The House Over Sec Committee's just working on the Epstein
files right now, releasing thirty four thousand pages.

Speaker 35 (01:08:16):
And more on the winter let me finish.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
The House Over Second.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Committee was in the spit back we were Smith, I
was playing a video.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Is laughable that the Speaker won't see a duty elected
Democrat to the House when he literally did this to
two Republicans like like, we're not stupid, Congressman.

Speaker 33 (01:08:39):
No, look, there is no defending that. And the other
thing that Mike Johnson has done in this process that.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
I hope we pay attention to.

Speaker 33 (01:08:46):
We've had government shutdowns before, yep, been through I think
four of them. Every single shutdown we've had, Congress has
stayed in session and kept working. You know, Mike Johnson's
trying to spread this fiction that somehow, because we have
a government shutdown, con can't be in session.

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Right, that's a big lie. We'll always in session.

Speaker 33 (01:09:04):
In fact, with the government shutdown, we need to be
in session even more because we got to fix the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Because what he gave what was last week? He's like, oh,
give him a week off.

Speaker 10 (01:09:14):
Right, No.

Speaker 33 (01:09:15):
And I think part of the effort is, as Reuben
and Mark were saying there, to block the seating of
a duly elected member of Congress, which is again an
authoritarian way to run the government.

Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
We should be back in session.

Speaker 33 (01:09:28):
We should, you know, for a whole bunch of different reasons,
but certainly one of them is to see a duly
elected member of Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Well it is it is ridiculous that that's not happening.
I had to deal with Texas Governor Greg Abbott refusing
to call a special section special a special election after
my fraternity brother and dear friend represented Sevesta Turner passed away,
and so the eighteenth Congressional district has been left without
representative for literally nine months and election is going to

(01:09:57):
be in November, and here you have this case they
actually have an election, and Johnson's like, yeah, no, we're
just gonna wait till we're back in session two. Swear
he in Oh where the Republicans they had their families here,
and it's like, okay, so what if she brings her
family here? Well, no, no, that's different. I mean, it's
just nonsensical. But this is where I just and I'm
telling you Representative Smith, I spend tons of time on

(01:10:20):
the road. What people are saying is keep the pressure
on them, do not relent. They're saying, offense, offense, offense, offense,
Stay in their face and stay on the offense, because
that's what's resonating with the people. They're saying they need
somebody to fight as opposed to being on the defensive.

Speaker 10 (01:10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:10:40):
No, I completely agree, And this gives us that opportunity.
They need our votes in the Senate to move their
agenda forward. So this is our opportunity to fight, have
leverage and stand up. And we've been doing that and
I hope people recognize that. And it's not that I
don't think that a shutdown causes some pain. It does,
but that pain has been caught by the Republican's unwillingness

(01:11:02):
to negotiate with us and to move forward a reasonable budget.
We don't have to vote for their budget just because
they threaten us right to stand up and write back
against it and push our priorities like healthcare.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Two quick questions, Julian Mabo, your question for Congressman Smith.

Speaker 20 (01:11:17):
A congressman the failure to swear in a representative of Giava.
The failure to swear her in doesn't change very much,
but it does deal with the issues of democracy and representation.
What can Democrats do to push Johnson, Lou Johnson to

(01:11:38):
the point where he is forced to swear This woman
in her district is now being unrepresented. So please tell
me what can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You do well?

Speaker 33 (01:11:47):
I think what Mark Kelly and Ruben Geiger were doing there.
Shine a light on it, bring attention to it, describe
it exactly as you just did. This is an impediment
to democracy. Not to see this itting member of Congress.
I think we have to shine a bright light on
it and talk about it as often as we can
and force them to own what they're doing.

Speaker 10 (01:12:09):
That's what we can do, and what we need.

Speaker 33 (01:12:10):
To do is message strongly on it, because I'm quite
confident that eighty ninety percent of the American people would
not agree with the House of Representatives blocking the seating
of a duly elected member of Congress of a district
in this country. Those constituents in that district in Arizona
deserve to be represented. They voted, they picked their representative.
They are being disenfranchised and violation of the constitution, and

(01:12:34):
I think we need to make that case loudly and aggressively.

Speaker 18 (01:12:39):
Beca Congressman, thank you so much for being on the
show tonight. So we know there is early voting that's
happening in this country right now, and it's largely local
in some state elections.

Speaker 19 (01:12:53):
But right behind that is the race to the midterms.

Speaker 18 (01:12:57):
In your words, why should would America vote for the
Democrats to take back the House in twenty twenty six Because.

Speaker 33 (01:13:06):
We believe in standing up for working people, and we
recognize that the fundamental challenge our country faces right now
is the concentration of wealth. Too many people are struggling
every day to pay their bills. The Trump agenda is
moving us in the wrong direction. His tariffs, his spending cuts,
his cuts to Medicaid the Affordable Care Act are driving
up costs and the American people. The cost of the

(01:13:28):
cost of health insurance, the cost of energy, the cost
of food, the cost.

Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
Of housing are all going up.

Speaker 33 (01:13:33):
Under his policies. We need to reverse that and change that.
And we need to get back to the agenda that
was reflected in the Build Back Better Agenda, an agenda
that was going to help Americans struggling to pay for
child care, for education, for healthcare, while placing taxes on
the wealthy who have benefited from this concentration of wealth
to pay for it, and also getting prescription drug costs

(01:13:56):
under control by forcing the big farmer companies to negotiate
with out of care that will save us hundreds of
billions of dollars. We want to help pay for those priorities.
Democrats want to help working people. The Republicans want to
help billionaires and also.

Speaker 10 (01:14:10):
Undermine our democracy. And I do think we should make
this case.

Speaker 33 (01:14:13):
I know kitchen table issues are what drives it for
the most part, but I think people should be concerned
about the fact that we have a president who's sending
ice agents into neighborhoods to terrorize people who have committed
no crimes.

Speaker 10 (01:14:24):
I think we should be concerned about a.

Speaker 33 (01:14:26):
President who is using the US military to do domestic
law enforcement. We should be concerned about a president who's
starting a war with Venezuela with absolutely no legal authority
to do so. An issue after issue, our fundamental rights
as Americans are at risk. Democrats will stand up for
those rights and will deliver economic opportunity for the working class.

(01:14:48):
That's our message and that's what we ought to go
to work on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Hi. Congrage with Adam Smith. We appreciate it. Keep up
the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Thanks Roll, thanks you, Chance, thank you, Thank you very
much all folks. We come back the route now back
to be under black ownership. We'll talk with the owner
next right here in Rolling Unfiltered on the Black stud Network.
Don't forget support the work that we do. What we're
doing here every day nobody else is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
We talk about this a daily news show focusing on
African Americans where we are centered.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
We're focusing on that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
In addition to that, we are launching new products as well,
we got four weekly shows, we're launching another one a
daily show. A lot of stuff happening. Your support is
critical for us to do that, and so we're looking
forward to a huge, huge twenty twenty six, traveling the country,
covering stories all across the nation, covering these races. You
want to support us via cash hat us a stripe

(01:15:36):
cure code. You see it right here at bottom left
hand corner. Use that for credit cards as well. Paypals
are Martin Unfiltered, Venmo, RM unfiltered, ZAO, Rolling at roland
S Martin dot com, Rolling at Rolling martinunfilter dot com
checking money orders, make it payable to Rolling mar nonfiltered
p abouts five seven one ninety six, Washington d C
two zero zero three seven day zero one nine six

(01:15:57):
Back in the moment.

Speaker 36 (01:16:01):
On the next Get Wealthy with Me Deborah Owens, America's
well Coach, we talk about the principles of mindset, strategy
and execution.

Speaker 19 (01:16:10):
This week we're adding a fourth faith.

Speaker 36 (01:16:14):
You're going to hear from a mother and daughter duel
who are helping thousands of black women build wealth all
through their faith.

Speaker 37 (01:16:25):
You are more than you can ever imagine, not just
obtaining things to show that, but seeing.

Speaker 19 (01:16:32):
Yourself making your faith work for you.

Speaker 36 (01:16:35):
That's right here on Get Wealthy only on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
If in this country right now, you have people get
up in the morning and the only thing they can
think about is how many people they can hurt, and
they got the power.

Speaker 10 (01:16:56):
That's the time for morning, for better or worse.

Speaker 15 (01:16:59):
What makes a America's special, It's that legal system that's
supposed to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 16 (01:17:07):
We are at a point of a moral emergency. We
must raise a voice of outraged, we must raise a
voice of compassion, and we must.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Raise a voice of unity.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.
We are in a crisis of civilization, a human rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself. And guess what, You've
been chosen to make sure that those that would destroy,
those that would hate, don't have the final say and

(01:17:44):
they don't ultimately win.

Speaker 11 (01:17:46):
This week, on the other side of change, we are
talking about our star, our luminary, our guide, Asada Chakur,
who recently passed away in Cuba.

Speaker 12 (01:17:57):
We're going to unpack our legacy.

Speaker 13 (01:17:59):
map is when it get us closer to liberation.

Speaker 14 (01:18:12):
And you're watching the other side of change only on
the Blackstar.

Speaker 10 (01:18:15):
Network, Michael McMillan, President and CEO of the Urban League
of Metropolitan Saint Louis, And you were watching Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 38 (01:18:28):
Hm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
The digital website The Route was found out seventeen years
ago by Henry Lewis Skipkeates Junior and Domal Graham, owner
of The Washington Posts, a platform for black culture, politics,
and social commentary. Now Gates had a minority ownership, minority
ownership interest in that. Then of course it went through
other owners. The Univision owned it, and then there's a
white private equity company owned it, and now it is

(01:19:40):
black owned.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Seeing it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Commentator former Obama Biden White House official Ashley Allison has
acquired the digital media outlet through her company Watering Whole Media.
She joins us right now, Ashley, glad to have you
on the show. First off, why'd you want to get throughot?

Speaker 39 (01:19:59):
Well, so people don't know this, but I was actually
a journalism major in college, and so when I started
watering Hole Media in two thousand and nine, it actually
was not a copycat, but it was inspired.

Speaker 24 (01:20:10):
By the Root.

Speaker 39 (01:20:12):
The Root is something that I've always read, I've always
found to be inspirational. That Route one hundred list was
always something I desired.

Speaker 24 (01:20:20):
To be on.

Speaker 39 (01:20:21):
But I also study people that were on that list
about ways to get into politics, get into social justice,
and I think in this moment, we need to own
our own media. Black people need to be able to
tell our own stories, just like you do every day
on this network.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And you talked about Waterhole Media. You were doing these
various videos of your YouTube channel, but obviously moving to
this is different. So walk us through how you arrived
at that point where you said, hey, let's do this.
I need to make this move now.

Speaker 39 (01:21:00):
Yeah, so you are probably acutely aware of the everyday
rigor it takes to build a following in an audience
on social media, and so we are still going to
continue to do this.

Speaker 24 (01:21:10):
But distribution is the name.

Speaker 39 (01:21:12):
Of the game in this current media climate, and the
Route has a massive audience and it has a loyal audience,
and so when the opportunity became available to purchase it,
it seemed like a perfect opportunity for Watering Hole to
partner with them. Now, the Root is a little different
than the work we do at Watering Hole. To date,
Wateringhole has only been video first, and the Root is

(01:21:34):
primarily a written publication, and we will continue to keep
it written. But we also want to bring our video
expertise to the Route so that we can meet our
audience where they are, whether we're coloring politics, while we're
covering entertainment, while we're covering sports. This distribution platform, this
reliable source for black people, was so important to bring

(01:21:56):
back into black ownership, particularly in this moment in our
country's history, that we just couldn't let this opportunity pass
us by.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
You talk about the publication listen. Initially it was very erudite,
very very highbrow, if you will. Then all of a
sudden it began to shift and have different swings depending
upon who was the editor. At some points, a lot
of focus on entertainment and culture, things along those lines.

(01:22:25):
What is going to be your focus if you're talking
about what lane are you going to occupy?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
If you will, what will the route be?

Speaker 39 (01:22:35):
So we always talk about black people and not being
a monolith. So we need more than just the publication
the route to service black people to get the news.
But we definitely will be reporting on the news of
the day and how it impacts black people, how people
should be making sense of the moment, whether it is
in politics or whether it is in pop culture. And
we will continue to cover entertainment, but it will also

(01:22:59):
we're going to root it in facts. We're going to
root it in science, We're going to root it in data,
and we're going to present it so black people have
a trusted publication that they can go to. But here's
the thing that I think you probably would agree with
is that the Root is not just for Black people.
Black people set culture in American culture, and so all Americans,
ass and people across the globe should be looking at

(01:23:22):
the Root as an outlet to really get a sense
of what is happening in this country politically and culturally.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
The again, acquisition is one thing. Operating is another. So
first and the foremost, when do you officially take it over?
And then how do you then now rebuild Because listen,
when it's private equity company owned it, they own a
bunch of other different sites. They were slashing and burning,
stuff was being cut, and so what what there is there?

(01:23:53):
You know in terms of like right now, you know
how many staffers does the root have and what do
how are you looking to build and growth obviously, while
you also have to be able to grow revenue because
you've got to manage the outflow based on what the
inflow is.

Speaker 39 (01:24:09):
Yeah, so I've been spending twenty years of my career,
usually in the back end of operations, making sure that
the infrastructure of anything we build is strong, because the
worst thing you can do is take something over, expand
it too quickly, and then have to get rid of
a bunch of folks. We right now have a handful
of staff on there that are committed and dedicated to
the route, and we wanted to make sure they're black journalists,

(01:24:32):
and we wanted to make sure in this era.

Speaker 24 (01:24:33):
That they kept their jobs.

Speaker 39 (01:24:35):
And so they are still on our team and we
are working with them day to day. We currently own it,
but we also want to learn our audience.

Speaker 24 (01:24:42):
I don't want to.

Speaker 39 (01:24:42):
Make any assumptions that I know something about the route
that I don't and I've only owned it for a week.
So we're studying our audience. We're going to be asking
them questions, what do they want to hear about, what
do they want us to cover?

Speaker 24 (01:24:53):
And we hope to grow.

Speaker 19 (01:24:54):
We hope to.

Speaker 39 (01:24:55):
Expand the amount of folks, whether it be through freelancers
or adding additional staff, can cover the complexity of all
the things that are happening in Black America and in
this country. So we have a scaled approach that we're
not going to grow too fast, but we will grow.
And you know, twenty twenty six is coming up. We
have elections this fall that are coming up, but then

(01:25:17):
twenty twenty eight is going to be coming up too,
and we're thinking about how we scale properly to sustain
it while also building the revenue. And one thing that
I'm really passionate about and I think is really important,
is that just because you run a business, the business
decisions don't need to impact the editorial decisions. We are
going to make sure that our business decisions are not

(01:25:37):
determining the stories that we're covering or the way we
cover it. We are going to speak truth to power
while still building a sustainable, profitable business.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Questions from ben or Becky.

Speaker 18 (01:25:47):
First, congratulations, I am incredibly proud of you that you
had the audaciousness to say, you know what, I'm going
to go buy this thing and I'm going to return
it to black ownership.

Speaker 19 (01:26:01):
And I think that's fantastic.

Speaker 18 (01:26:03):
There's many of us who, like I, didn't even think
about the possibility of something like that.

Speaker 19 (01:26:08):
So I applaud you.

Speaker 18 (01:26:10):
I hear what you're saying about having global reach and
a global impact. But who's your target audience in terms
of demographic but including the generational reach that you're looking for.

Speaker 39 (01:26:23):
Absolutely, so, as I was exploring whether or not I
and first, thank you Rebecca. I really appreciate that it
did take a lot of nerve. But I also want
to give Rolling a shout out.

Speaker 24 (01:26:33):
I told him this.

Speaker 39 (01:26:33):
He's one of the first people I told about the acquisition,
and he said something to me when we were at
Essensest this past summer about focusing on something and doing.

Speaker 24 (01:26:43):
It really, really well.

Speaker 39 (01:26:45):
And literally when I left essence Fest, this opportunity came about,
and so I really narrowed my lens and really figured out,
this is what I want to do and this is
what I want to scale. So in terms of our
target audience, again, black people are a monolith right now,
our average reader is between thirty to fifty years old,
and we want to continue and maintain that base. But

(01:27:06):
we also know that we have a lot of opportunity.
Black people over index on social media and digital properties,
and so we think by also bringing video into a
we can hit a younger audience that is interested in
a diversity of issues and subjects from politics to sports,
because there's politics and sports as well, right And then

(01:27:26):
for social economics readers, we again we think that with
video and text it will have us have a diversity
of audience in reach. And then we also want to
do collaboration. So maybe there's a Blackstar Network collaboration that
we can do because we need to also be supporting
one another. I am not going to be successful running

(01:27:47):
this outlet by myself. I need to learn from all
the great work that Roland has done to build this
and other people are doing in this moment to build
black media.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Go be on.

Speaker 20 (01:27:57):
Congratulations, Sourah. I am so extraorded proud of you and
what you're doing. I appreciate you so much. I just
want to talk to you at some point about direction
once you lift up as all the things you said,
I haven't heard the word education come out of your mouth.
I've heard you talk about close heal economics and other things.

(01:28:18):
So let's talk education. Roland does a great job covering
especially HBCUs and that's important. But under this administration and
at times such as this, we're seeing scores going down,
our young people being beleaguered. Tell me what the Route
will do now about an education beat?

Speaker 17 (01:28:41):
Oh? I love it well.

Speaker 24 (01:28:42):
First of all, Samalvo, you know I love you.

Speaker 39 (01:28:44):
You knew me back when I was a little college girl,
just with bright eyes, just trying to make my way
and Washington, DC. So thank you for all that you've
poured into me. I started my career as a high
school special education teacher in Brooklyn, New York. So education
is fundamental and important, and I think that education is
being impacted by politics right now, but also the types

(01:29:07):
of education that are available from K through tel K
through twelve as well as post secondary education.

Speaker 24 (01:29:14):
So while I can't commit, I don't want to.

Speaker 39 (01:29:16):
Over commit to education be Education is essential to having
access to growing wealth, to having access to great job opportunities,
and it definitely will be a primary focus.

Speaker 24 (01:29:27):
Because education has played such a critical role in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I would say this here, no education be Here's what
I mean by that. Uh no, no, no, no, this
is because this is the piece here. So one of
the listen I ran Tom Jeralds Black americawab dot com
and one of the things that a lot of people do.
I've had people approach me and they're like, well, you know,
can you cover this, this?

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
This?

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
This, Uh this is what I say. We cover stuff,
we center black people. Now we're going to cover a
lot of stuff. But the problem is that when you
start trying to do beats listen, that's a lot of
people because now you start talking about business, politics, this, this, this,
as opposed to no, we're going to integrate the coverage

(01:30:10):
all in because one of the biggest men you talked
about earlier, and this is one of the biggest mistakes
that a lot of people make. And I said it
when I said it inflow and outflow for the people
don't know what that means. That comes down to expenses
in revenue. The greatest failure to most of most businesses,
especially when we talk about media businesses, is that there are
people who love the content who don't know jack about

(01:30:32):
the business. And the reality is the business is what
drives it. Listen, my whole thing from day one was
I didn't want to have two great years of rolling
Mark unfiltered and then be able to say, oh, man,
we had a great two years. No, I want to
be able to say we were to get the year
five six seven, we're into seventh of the year. Now
we're going we're actually in our eighth year because we

(01:30:54):
all had our sim of the anniversary, but then ten fifteen.
That's how you actually do it. And so many people
I've seen and I've talked to too many people, they
did not focus on the business of the business.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
They fell in love.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
With the content, expenses, cash was being burned. And I'm
sitting there going, you ain't gonna be around if you
don't focus on the business. And so you can cover
all of these things in covering a variety of things,
but it's just been so mindful of every single penny.
And I would there say the most difficult thing for

(01:31:31):
any entrepreneur is to is to tell yourself no, because
people say we should this, should cover that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
No, we can't afford it, No, can't do it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
The answer is no, and other people like, well I
and this is what I tell people are owners. You
are an ATM machine. Everybody around you is pulling cash
out of you get You're the one who controls how
much money gets pulled out. And so that's just so
that that's why I would I would say, when I
ask the question, what's your lane, lock and load on

(01:32:02):
lane and then methodically take it out from there.

Speaker 39 (01:32:07):
I just I mean, everyone knows this about you, Roland,
but that was just a masterclass. And I think that
one of the reasons why I really listened to your
advice this summer is because you are doing it and
we can learn from you, and I will be learning
from you. And that was the one thing I asked
is for your mentorship, because I don't need to know
all the answers. I just need to surround people around

(01:32:28):
me who do have some of the answers and who
will give me that advice. And so I appreciate all
that you've done to date to help me get to
this point.

Speaker 24 (01:32:35):
And I'll be calling you Roland.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Oh not a problem man, like I'm more willing to
help it. And we talk about being able to have
you and your folks on and we do that. I
had the tribe on last week I've reached out to
some other people as well because what I all saw,
and I've said this a long time, the reality is
we talk about a black owned media collector, there are
people who are doing things in different spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
No one group can do all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
And so the reality is if it's like, yo, come on,
promote your stuff, I have Pro Publica on, and so
it's like, hell, if I have them on, I give
other people on. And so that has to happen because
we have to build the ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
And then we also when it come when it comes
to the money.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Go to the table in the aggregate as a collective,
because if the route goes in a loan, I go
in a loan. That's what else goes in a loan.
Now of a sudden, they can isolate us. But when
we walk in in as a collective, now we're walking
in with a much larger audience, and listen, we can
figure out how to divvy up the money. But the
whole thing is, we know the political ad money. We

(01:33:39):
know these ad industry. They want to screw us. Black
on media gets point five to one percent of the
three hundred and fifty billion spent every year on advertising.
The federal government spends a billion dollars on advertising, black
on Media gets one percent. And so I've been riding
this thing for a very long time because this is
one of the reasons why Black on Media has not

(01:33:59):
been able to have sustained growth and why it's been
ups and downs and folks have been dying. And listen,
it's one thing to go out to go get investment
money and people say, hey, you know, I want to,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Get an equity stake. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
That means nothing if I can't grow the business.

Speaker 12 (01:34:16):
And that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
And I tell folks, no, I need contracts. I don't
need access to capital the capital. I need our actual
contracts and contracts because that's how we can build and grow.
And so that's just sort of just where we are.
And so I think you're absolutely smart studying the business,
understanding the business side of it, and methodically doing the
content side is all that's important. So that's just sort

(01:34:39):
of where we have to be in doing this because
and I am and I tell people, I am absolutely
scared to death. And I tell people because we are
moving towards a place where Black on Media simply is
withering on the vine and people don't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
People think, oh, yeah, rolling you say that. I'm like, no,
you do not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
We will rule the day when we are having to
beg somebody to cover our story.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
And that's absolutely scary.

Speaker 17 (01:35:09):
So that's why we've made this move.

Speaker 39 (01:35:11):
It is it is and and and you said about
saying no is it's not personal. Sometimes you really do
have to say no because you want to You want sustainability.
You don't want a one hit wonder, and so it
would be criminal to have bought this property and not
run it for sustainability but also for success.

Speaker 24 (01:35:30):
So thank you.

Speaker 39 (01:35:31):
You know, you were one of the first people to
put it out when we announce that. I really appreciate
you sharing the news. And you know the future proctorship
we can.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Have absolutely so actually again, congratulations, good luck with it,
thank you and look forward to the future growth.

Speaker 24 (01:35:48):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
All right, thanks so much to the folks who watch it.
So I want you to go to mind. I think
this is it is, So go to my iPad. So
y'all see this here. It's called the recount. When johna
Is I talked about this on the show before. So
John Hailerman and another guy they founded the Recount and

(01:36:11):
the Recount, y'all raised thirty two million dollars. They raised
thirty two million dollars. They launched the same year that
I did. And what was interesting is that they closed
up shop. They are pretty much shut down December two

(01:36:32):
thousand and twenty two. And well, the trip is, you
know what they said, they couldn't figure out a business plan.
And I'm like, how how the hell did you raise

(01:36:54):
thirty two million dollars and you could not figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Your business plan?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
And so look at this here, y'all pull this story up.
This is from March twenty twenty. Recount raises thirteen million
dollars in Series A round. Founders John Halloman, John Buttelly
Okay went out, raised this money and all this sort

(01:37:32):
of stuff like that and all these things they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
And look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Who gave them the money, True Ventures and Viacom, CBS
and Burder principal investments, the vision of Hubert Burder Media,
and the money's going to be used to produce new
programming and all this sort of stuff is it's gonna
going towards making sure the Recount builds strong enough infrastructure
to be able to deploy video cross multiple distribution.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Platforms and all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Look investors who participated and recount seed round, Kevin Durant's
thirty five venture ventures, Ron Conway's sv Angel, and Robert
Will's thirty two ventures. Look at this recount staff of
twenty people, mostly journalists.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Here they would talks with dozens of distribution channels and
tech companies like Google and Amazon, and smart TV companies
like Samsung and Rokus, streaming TV companies like Fubo TV
and Quibbi and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
All this sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
The company makes money from licensing its content as well
as ad revenue splits with some distribution partners and sponsorships.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Oh, look at this here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Bank of America and Slack were the companies launch partners.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
That was March twenty twenty. This is December one, twenty
twenty two. Same publication actials. The recount plans to suspend operations. Y'all,
they raised thirty they raised thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Four million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
But y'all see this here they struggle to find a
profitable business model.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Now, y'all know what's amazing. Y'all know what's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
See, I'm gonna go ahead and call now that I
saw that, I'm gonna call them again. Y'all know I've
had conversations with Bank of America. Has Bank of America
ever advertised with us?

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Nope?

Speaker 10 (01:39:52):
Nope, so Bank of America.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
I just want y'all to understand here, Bank of America
and Slack advertise with a startup digital property that had
no track record, that had no following, and that after
they raised thirty four million dollars they could not figure

(01:40:17):
out what their business plan is. But see, we launched
in twenty eighteen, just like they did September fourth, twenty eighteen.
They were never profitable. Do you know when we became
profitable March twenty twenty. We've been profitable ever since. Now

(01:40:42):
let me help you all out. Profit doesn't mean, oh
my god, you're bringing in twenty thirty thirty forty minute extra.
No profit means is you made more money than you spent.
That means you in the black, not in the red. Okay,
in the black. I like being in the black, being
black in the black and not in the red. But
here's the point that I'm making for y'all. See white

(01:41:07):
media companies like this because they went out and got
these big investors a Bank of America would give them
advertising money. Right now, I've done a pilot for a
business show.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
I would love for a Bank of America.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
To say, we're gonna be the year's sponsor of your
business show.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Here's two million dollars. Two million dollars, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
We can produce that weekly should business show forty five
to forty eight episodes a year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
We can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
But see, this is the reality what black OneD media
has to deal with. That all recount created thirty four
million dollars. And matter of fact, I don't know Kevin Durant,
I don't know who at your investment firm. I don't
know what they were doing, but I could have told
them that ain't smart. And do y'all know what they
had at the end? All they had left. All they

(01:42:09):
had as an asset at the end, y'all, was a
Twitter account.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
And let me help y'all out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
They had a Twitter account of about three hundred thousand followers.
They were purchased by Pennies on the dollar in January
twenty twenty three. In two years, all they added was
some twenty thousand Twitter followers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
So I hope y'all watching, y'all understand what we in
black on media have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
To deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
I hope y'all understand the hoops that we have to
jump through. I hope y'all understand when we go talk
to the pharmaceutical companies that market a lot of drugs
of black people, and y'all see they ads on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Fox News, CNN.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
When you were talking about financial institutions Bank of America,
Wells Fargo, JP, Morgan Chase, and I've talked to all
three of them, nothing happened. When we talk about the
ad agencies Omniicom.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
We started talking about Group M.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Group it has given us the run around for four
years awful, even when they had a black CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
We got zero from Group.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
M, Horizon, all these agencies.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
And then y'all wonder, I don't understand why they can't
have this? Why kid they had that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Why did because we get frozen out of the money.
So it's one thing to launch a black on media product,
it's one thing to purchase a black on media product.
But the question is how do you stay in business
and make matters worse in this anti DEI world. I'm

(01:44:24):
telling y'all. Right, Now, I know a number of black
on media companies that are gasping for breath because DEI
dollars live. And be real clear, y'all, I need y'all
to hear what I'm telling y'all. They were not getting
advertising dollars. They were getting DEI dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
So explain to y'all what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
When I ran the Dollars Weekly, the late Jim Washington
was the publisher, God rest his soul, and we were
sitting there talking and Jim said to these He said,
mister Martin, why are you always trying to put my
friends out of business? I said, Jim, because it's very
Dallas is not big enough for seven black newspapers. We
need consolidation. Jim, I said, here's the problem. Jim, you're

(01:45:09):
not getting advertising dollars. He says, what do you mean?
I said, Jim, you're getting community relation dollars. I said,
they're taking twelve thousand dollars. They're taking twelve thousand dollars,
and they are giving you a piece the Dallas Examiner apiece,
the Dallas Post Tribune apiece, Elite News, a piece, minority

(01:45:33):
Opportunity news, a peace I went down the whole line.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
LaVita a piece.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
I said, but that's community relation dollars that ain't advertising dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Yeah. Example, my frat.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Brother, Todd Brown, when he was running Ebony, what he
told me Ebonie was getting twenty I'm about to best
y'all up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Ebonie was getting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Twenty thousand dollars for a full page ad. Esquire, which
was smaller than Ebony, was getting two hundred thousand dollars
for the exact same full page ad.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
You may say, well, hold up ad Ebony Ebony.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yes, because the white ad firms and the white run
Fortune five hundred companies, they actually value a white consumer
more than they do a black consumer. I'm about to
misshell up even further. See this actually turned into our
whar's our money segment. I'm about to be sholl up
even further. Read Brett Pulley's book The Billion Dollar Bet,

(01:46:45):
The Unauthorized Biography of Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Johnson and BT.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
In that book, Brett Pulley wrote that when Viacom now
sky Dance Paramount, when Viacom owned by Sum of the
Redstone run by Mel Carmerson, when they were negotiating to
buy Bet, which they did for two point eight billion dollars.
It was two point four billion dollars an assumption of

(01:47:12):
four hundred million in k four hundred million in debt.
They looked at BT's books and they discovered that BET,
which had similar ratings and was in the similar cable
homes civil distribution as MTV, that BET was getting fifteen

(01:47:34):
hundred dollars for a commercial spot and MTV was getting
eight thousand dollars for the same commercial spot. Let me
repeat that b ET was getting fifteen hundred dollars for
a for a spot thirty or sixty second, I can't remember.

(01:47:55):
MTV was getting eight thousand dollars for the same spot.
Because see, they valued MTV's white viewers well, then they
valued b ET. So that's what we call in the
media business.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
The black tax.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
So there's a sixty to sixty five percent black tax,
meaning if you're black, they're gonna give you sixty to
sixty five percent less than they get a white people.
Now let me I'm about to really miss y'all up. Now,
I want y'all to hear what I just told y'all.
BT was getting fifteen hundred dollars, MTV was getting eight thousand,
So that means it's a sixty five hundred dollars difference, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
That's huge. Now, what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
Bob and Sheila Johnson, who owned be ET, sold b
ET for two point eight billion dollars. Bob and Sheila
Johnson John Malone was one of the top investors, so
Bib and Sheila Johnson they got the majority of the money.
John Malone made a whole bunch of money as well,
so I think they got one three, one point four

(01:49:02):
whatever the number was, he got like a billion. That's
how the money got. And then you had some people.
There was some people who owned some equity state. Because
BT was private, they went public, and then Bob Johnson
took him back private. Okay, so that's what happened there.
So here's what was crazy. I'm about to miss y'all up.
A lot of y'all have been mad that Bob and

(01:49:24):
Sheila Johnson sold BT. A lot of y'all been cussing,
yelling and hollering. Well, guess what, they took their own
money and built BT, and they took that money and
they've now been able.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
To buy a whole bunch of other stuff with the money.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
From BT, and so they actually own more companies and
have more people who they employ now than when they
had BT.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Here's what I'm about to mess y'all up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
If Bob and Sheila Johnson had gotten fair value for
BT's ads, Sheila Johnson could have sold BET for the
same two point eight billion dollars but only sold a
third of b ET, and they could still be owning it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
I'm gonna let that sit with y'all for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Bob and Sheila Johnson had a black tax not been
slapped on them, Bob and Shela Johnson could have sold
b ET for two point eight billion dollars. They could
have sold a third of b ET, they could have
kept two thirds, meaning BT's value really should have been

(01:50:46):
not almost three billion dollars, but BT's value should have
been nine or ten billion dollars. So if that was
no black tax, BT would still be black owned, and
they would have made the same amount of money and
would have been able to buy all the stuff that

(01:51:06):
they bought and still own BET. But because of the
black tax, they couldn't. So when y'all, when these simple
simon negroes are yelling right, Robert Mark, you got three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the COMBLA campaign for advertising.

(01:51:29):
But y'all didn't ask where did the other billion dollars go?
Y'all didn't ask, wait a minute, how much money went
through all these white ad agencies? And did any money
go through a black ad agency? Two small amounts of money?

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Y'all ain't listening.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
So the simple Simon Negroes were yelling, you got three
hundred and fifty thousand from the Kamala campaign. And by
the way, the only reason y'all even know how much
I got is because I told a Kamala campaign that
the white ad eightieses can go to hell because they
were lowballing me for ads. I said, y'all gonna pay

(01:52:15):
me direct. I knew it was gonna show up in
a FEC filing. I knew that, but I didn't give
a damn. I was not gonna be short changed by
a white agency. And in fact, it was supposed to
have been at least seven hundred thousand, and they played
around in the last forty five days and didn't come

(01:52:38):
through because of three point fifty really was June through September. See,
y'all ain't listening to me. So when we talk about
black owned media and y'all wondering why we don't have
thirty and forty and fifty and sixty people, y'all wondering why, Well, man,

(01:53:02):
if I go get a job there, I don't. I
don't have health benefits and dental. I don't have four
to one K retirement because we literally can't afford it.
I'm just being straight up with y'all. Y'all need to
understand what's going on here. When we are frozen out
of the advertising dollars, you can't build and grow. So

(01:53:22):
you can go out and raise money, you can go
out and do you can get private equity, you can
get venture capital. That don't mean nothing if you cannot
build your business on the advertising side.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
And So when y'all here.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
And it's the last point I make before I go
to Julian and Rebecca. So when y'all see me post
when we are calling out brands for not advertising with us, PEPSI,
When y'all see us calling out brands JP, Morgan, Chase,

(01:53:55):
Bank of America, Wells, Fargo, Clorocks, products that black people
are buying, When y'all see us doing that, I'm gonna
need y'all to respond the same way y'all do if
I post some shit about Lebron, Michael Jordan, beyoncey or

(01:54:20):
ty Reese or something entertainment in sports, because see if
they look up and they see, oh damn, this thing
did forty thousand likes, Oh my god, that posts have
five thousand comments, they gonna do the math. But see
when you only have twenty or thirty likes and five

(01:54:43):
or six comments, you know what they say, Oh, we
ain't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
We ain't worry about that. We could.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Somebody in the chat just said f Pepsi Boa, Cloroxy
was Fargo m M. Now if you see how much
money we spent with them, y'all need to understand Black people.
Oh man, we are some amazing consumers. But doctor King
said on April third, nineteen sixty eight, and his last
sermon at Mason Temple in Memphis, he said, black people

(01:55:12):
individually are poor, collectively represent one of the largest economies
in the world. We must move as a collective into
achieve action. Black on media can only survive if we
move as a collective in demanding our fair share of
dollars and if there are companies and these represent anybody's

(01:55:33):
ad agencies that refuse to spend money with black owned media,
then we will come back and tell our black audience
that they will not spend money with us, and we
should not spend money with them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
That is the only way this is going to change. Junior,
you first.

Speaker 20 (01:55:55):
Person, Roland, thank you for that sermon and that reminder
of how black old media thrives and for calling out
these companies that do not support us. I was talking
to a friend the other day and we were talking
about what would happen and black people just stop spending money,
and we just said, you know, you gotta eat, et cetera.
But for a day or week whatever they need to

(01:56:17):
understand the power of our collective and they don't understand it,
or they do understand it, but they dismiss it because
we allow of it. The best number you gave me
in that conversation was the fifteen hundred for bt ADS
and eight thousand for was MTV ads. That multiplier, and
that's a multiplier that black people deal with every single day.

(01:56:40):
We deal with a multiplier of getting less but being
required to do more. And so everybody who is listening
needs to do a couple of things. Number one, stack
your money. A recession is coming. Stack your money, and
don't buy this frivolous bs that these folks are pushing
on you, pushing on you, pushing under Number two, what

(01:57:02):
are you doing? Susan Taylor used always say to people,
what are you doing with your people? That would be
how she often opened a conversation. I will ask you
that what are you doing with your people? And what
are you doing? If you're watching with two four at
about Roland Martin unfiltered? And I'm not saying this because
I'm sitting here. You know, Roland I rolland I we
go back. But I would say this because this brother

(01:57:24):
brilliantly has created something out of nothing, you know, taking
straw and turning into bricks. And the question for y'all
is what are you doing about it? It's just so
important right now, especially at a time like this, Sister Ashley,
what she's doing with the root at a time like this,
we need to be informed. You're not gonna get your
news on CNN and uh whatever else, we certainly not

(01:57:48):
gonna get it on Fox. This is a call to action, folks. Yep,
it's a serious call to action, Recca.

Speaker 18 (01:57:58):
We talked about this for years or a fight for
our community, and we're in a fight to make this
country live up to its promise to us.

Speaker 19 (01:58:06):
So that said, all of us have our parts.

Speaker 18 (01:58:08):
So for those who don't have the disposable income like subscribe, share,
let people know the watch show your eyeballs and comments matter.
For those who have discretionary budgets, if you cut the
cord on Hulu on Disney and now you have extra
ten to fifteen dollars a month agive, then you could
subscribe and become a member of the Bring the Funk Club.
There's all sorts of ways that all of us can

(01:58:30):
be a part of the solution here. And finally, doctor
King says something. He said that budgets are moral documents.
So shame on those companies who have decided that their
ethos of their company doesn't include supporting and investing in
black interests.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
And again, folks, his whole deal.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
No one, no political ad buyer, no ad agency can
say that, well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
We don't have the numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Oh we do, we do, and we're about to hit
almost two million, two million YouTube subscribers. Uh we we
We've been doing that and I'm gonna show you here
right here, the give me one second because it came
out today.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
My guy Keenan hit me with it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
And y'all know, you know, every week YouTube shows their
top podcast uh, and.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
You know shows you what the numbers are. Go to
my iPad.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
And so this is for the week of September twenty ninth,
October fifth, this is the most popular podcast shows on YouTube.
And when you see here, when you look at those
folks who are African American, guess what you see right there?
You're gonna see You're gonna see here Nightcap with Shannon
and the old show. Uh, you're gonna see this conservative dude.
You're gonna see Club Shay Shay. You're gonna keep going

(01:59:55):
here and all of a sudden, right there, number fifty one.
The highest we've ever been was forty number fifty one.
So no one can say we don't have the audience.
We don't have the audience, don't have the numbers, don't
have the reach everything you need.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
And so here's the thing. Right here, I'm gonna go
ahead and.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Show y'all these here, and I want y'all to understand
what I'm about to tell y'all, and I'm about to
call their names specifically, and I'm gonna add one more
because I think Group M is under one of these here,
old let me see who owns Group M.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Give me one second.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
And because Group M has been the most egregious because
they've done nothing with us, So WPP owns Group M, So.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Go to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
These are the five largest ad AD agency holding companies
in the world. WPP, that's formerly Group M, Okay, Publicist Group,
Omniicom Group, Public Group of Companies IPG, Dent Souit Group.

(02:01:06):
I want all y'all to understand since we lost this show,
and I'll go back. So if we lost this show,
we have met with WPP, Group M numerous times. I
got all the emails. They know me well.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
We met with Publicis Group many times.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
My team has met with Omdycon, we met with Inner
Public Group of Companies, We met with DENSU. Y'all don't
want me to start calling names of execs at these
five companies. I'll show y'all emails. In the seven years
of Roland Martin Unfiltered, in the four years of Blackstar Network,

(02:01:45):
In the seven years of Roland Martin unfiltered and in
the four years of Blackstar Network.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Go back to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
These five agencies representing billions of dollars in ad in majories,
not one cent after all of the meetings, the emails,
the presentations, I've flown to New York.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
My guys at Urban Age Network has flown there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
WPP formerly Group M Public's Group, Omnicom Group, Inner Public,
Group of Companies, Densuit Group. Not one penny spent. General
Motors falls under Densu. I negotiate that deal directly with

(02:02:37):
General Motors, Coca Cola directly with Coca Cola. The companies
that you have seen us do stuff with, we did
direct deals with those companies. These five agencies have frozen
us out of the business and the only way the

(02:02:58):
route is going to survive. And the Tribe and the
other Black on media outlets, and there's some things they do.
Some dollars are going to Urban One, some stuff is
going to Black Enterprise, going to Essence for the music festival.
And they wanted to force all of us to go
through Group M one, Black Company, but they didn't tell

(02:03:20):
the LGBTQ for us to go to Group Pink. They
didn't tell the white on media come to go to
group White. They didn't tell Latinos go to group brown,
but they wanted to force black people to go through
one ad agency who was trying to charge us outrageous
fees to get ads. We said hell no, and now
they suing each other. But I want you to understand,

(02:03:41):
we will never be able to thrive because right now
Black on media surviving. We will never be able to
thrive as long as these companies are freezing us out
of the money. I'm gonna show y'all one last time
and I'm calling them out by name, and I'm telling
y'all right now, come on go.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
I'm telling y'all right now.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
To the executives at WPP Group, m In Poulus's Group,
and Omnicom Group, an inner public group of companies IPG.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
And Densu Group.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
We're in the We're right now in the fourth quarter
of twenty twenty five. If these companies leave us out
of their twenty twenty six budgets, I'm gonna start naming
the people who we have been emailing and meeting with
and I'm going to show you their photos because they're

(02:04:39):
the ones who have been freezing us and other black
on media out of the money. That is not a threat,
it's a promise. Because I'm sick and tired of meetings.
I'm sick and tired of them, just you know, stringing
us along another meeting, another meeting. No, we will not

(02:05:05):
be able to build and grow. I have the plan, y'all.
I have the plan right now. Do y'all know that
if we got five million dollars in advertising a year,
we would have forty additional people hired.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
I have the plan already.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
We would have people placed in seven cities across the country,
being able to cover more stuff, being able to have
more footprint. We've done a whole lot with little, but
we proven we know what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
And Bank of America, now.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
That I see that, y'all, well the title sponsor of
a startup news operation. Y'all gonna hear from me tomorrow.
And you can't tell me, y'all don't buy news because
you bought the recount when they had no audience. And

(02:06:01):
the same for you, JP Morgan Chase as well, y'all.
That's it for us. Let me think Julian Rebecca, y'all,
I ain't playing because here's a deal you ain't spend
no money on me. Now, I ain't got shit to lose.
So Julian Rebecca, thanks a bunch. I appreciate it. Shout
out Norfolk State. I'm rocking y'all sweatshirt this week. I
saw that video Michael Vick. They lost to Hampton, so

(02:06:23):
he had to wear a Hampton hat. His wife went
to Hampton, so he had to wear The news conference
videos hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
But shout out Norfolk State. I appreciate. Hey, folks, if
y'all want to support rolland Martin unfiltered, please do so. Again.
I can't tell y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Y'all y'all supporting us has been so critical, And I
told y'all the people listen. I just deposited some checks, y'all.
Some stuff actually got misplaced. Also, I've got checks that
were torn, that came in late or whatever. So it well,
a batch of checks that were from March I had
to actually process. And so again I appreach the people
who's seeing checks in money orders, but it takes a

(02:06:56):
lot of time to go through all that sort of stuff.
So just to let y'all know that, I picked up to
the mail post office yesterday. I got about eighty pieces
of mail till tonight and tomorrow I'm gonna be going
through envelopes, separating signing and depositing, So just let y'all
know what we're gonna be doing there.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
So all right, so if y'all want to support the
work that we do, join us a cash shap.

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Use a stripe currer code. You see it right here,
striped QURR code bottom up. The corner is also for
critic cold application credit cards as well. Paypals are Martin Unfiltered,
venmos r M Unfiltered, z Rolling at rolland s mart
dot Com Rolling at rolland martinunfilter dot com. Check some Money,
Order make It Payable's Rolling Martin Unfiltered, pobox five seven
one ninety six, Washington d C two zero zero three

(02:07:34):
seven at zero one ninety six down on the Black
Start network app Apple Phone, Android Phone, Apple TV, Android TV, rocol,
Amazon Fire TV, Xbox one, Samsung Smart TV. Be sure
to get a copy of my book, White Fear at
the Browning of Americas making White Folks lose their minds
Baby bookstores nationwide. Get the audio version I read on audible.
Be sure to get out Rolling Martin unfiltered blackst Network swag,
t shirts, hoodies, wal art, moses, you nab to go

(02:07:57):
to shop Blackstar Network dot com. Also, all these products
you see to my left, these are all black owned
products that are on shot Blackstuddnetwork dot com.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
I mean, we got.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Backpacks, crossword puzzles, we got relationships, sauces, black on, toilet paper, tissue,
you name it. All these these are black owned companies.
Go to shop Blackstar Network dot com and be sure.
The Donald app fan based Isaac has a third announced
that they that they have hit thirteen point three million

(02:08:26):
dollars the Series A raise. The goal is seventeen million,
and so support them. And they're doing an investithon right now.
We're about to go live to it. So y'all support
black owned fan base. Let's support social media. I'm gonna
see you'all tomorrow, hollow. Let's go to the fan base investathon.

Speaker 3 (02:08:44):
What else in that content creator landscape? Do you feel
like now? Is this whole TikTok situation in America affecting
you guys in Canada or what are you sensing it?
What are you feeling?

Speaker 2 (02:08:54):
You know?

Speaker 10 (02:08:54):
What it kind of is?

Speaker 27 (02:08:56):
I mean, you know, obviously we have a new prime
minister that's in and you know bills that were you know,
put to the legislature under the previous prime minister have
been kind of a little bit somewhat voided out. But
you know, it's affecting us a little bit, not heavily.

Speaker 10 (02:09:10):
Heavily.

Speaker 27 (02:09:11):
I think TikTok in general though, because we do call
the tiktokification of social media, I think it's I think
it's I think it's changed content the content game one percent.
What excites me is people who are coming into the
content game.

Speaker 10 (02:09:24):
You don't need a big following. I mean, you could
literally on your first post go viral.

Speaker 27 (02:09:27):
And I really like that because you know, the audience
is saying, hey, you know, we want to we want.

Speaker 10 (02:09:31):
Our interests served to us on a on a plate.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
So what about like fan base? What I want you
to tell the people out there who you know from
your perspective, what do you feel about fan base? What
do you like about fan base? What drew you to
the platform? And now have you becoming an investor?

Speaker 10 (02:09:48):
Well, I think I think number one is approachability. I
think you and I are having the chat right now.

Speaker 27 (02:09:54):
You're the founder, you know you have kept an open
door policy, I think even on social med which I
hope you never close, because I think that it's nice
to see the founder and somebody who's behind the platform
in the mix of the day to day and in
the mix of not only not only just the content creators,
but the audience itself. Obviously have a great pulse on

(02:10:16):
all the other social media platforms and what they're doing,
but I think you're you're you have a good eye
on some of the pitfalls and gaps and are really
trying to, you know, help the creators and say, look,
you need to make some money here, you need to
have some equity in what you're doing. Fan Base has
a robust options of tools that I think are you know,
still are under utilized, but with more time, more audience

(02:10:39):
will be utilized. And I think, you know, again, if
anybody's an investor or sees the future, I think fan
base is a is a great way to get in
early on and ride this thing into the growth.

Speaker 3 (02:10:50):
Lad I like to hear that, So where can everybody
find you? On your podcast and also on families? Want
to make sure that people tap in with you?

Speaker 10 (02:10:59):
Yeah, the rhino'choll podcast. Anywhere you grab your podcast, YouTube.

Speaker 27 (02:11:03):
All social platforms are just you know, chat, ebt and
put in my name. I am easily readily available. And
you know, people who are listening to this, you know,
go out there and get yours.

Speaker 3 (02:11:14):
I also want to thank you for allowing this actually
to air on your YouTube channel. We talk about that
people don't know that are watching, anybody in Canada watching
right now. Ryan is also a partner of this investor
found this year, allowing us to broadcast through his YouTube channel.
So I appreciate you allowing us to have access to
your audience and again that Canadian audience. Again, that's why

(02:11:36):
I wanted to make sure I hire your own because
now Canada can invest. So thank you for that.

Speaker 10 (02:11:41):
My pleasure man.

Speaker 27 (02:11:42):
Anything I can do to support let's uh again, anything
that moves the culture forward.

Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
Absolutely so one more time, if you're in Canada and
you want to invest, finally you can. You go to
front funder f R O n T f U n
d R dot com slash fan base to invest. Make
sure you join and get equity and fan base, create
a profile and join us on this journey where that
the users actually own the social media platforms that they use.

(02:12:07):
Ryan I want to thank you for stopping by. Appreciate you,
and we'll make sure we stay in contact, and I
want to do your show again after this round is over. Absolutely, man,
thanks for having me Isa all right, my god, thank
you very much.

Speaker 5 (02:12:39):
So let it cook, Let me cook, so, let me cook.

Speaker 3 (02:13:11):
Are has recently made an amazing acquisition in the space
of black media, and I want to bring her to
the program right now and talk to her along with Tamisha.
Everybody welcome. It's Ashley Elliston, the new owner of the Route.

Speaker 40 (02:13:32):
Hello.

Speaker 24 (02:13:34):
What are you doing all? You know, living a dream?

Speaker 39 (02:13:38):
I am great, I'm tired, I'm overwhelmed, I'm humbled, I'm excited.

Speaker 24 (02:13:46):
I'm an owner. I'm really good.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
Ownership. Ownership is what this is about. This evening, when
I heard this acquisition, I've been on a mission to
talk about we need more black media ownership for our
stories to get out here to Misha's been talking about
that and how important it is that we're able to
tell our stories and get our stories out there. What
made you want to make this acquisition?

Speaker 39 (02:14:11):
Well, I was a journalism major in college. My father
used to write for the black newspaper in our hometown. Youngstown, Ohio.
I actually learned a couple of years ago that one
of my great uncles was an owner of the Colin
Post in Cleveland and Columbus, and so storytelling has just
been a.

Speaker 24 (02:14:29):
Part of my family's legacy.

Speaker 39 (02:14:32):
And to be honest, the company, my company that bought
The Root is Watering Home Media, and I started that
in two thousand and nine, just a year after The
Route was founded. The Root has been such an important
part of my story and how I have informed my
understanding of politics, and so when the opportunity presented itself

(02:14:53):
to buy it, it was just like, how do we
get it done. We need to have on our platforms,
we need to be able to tell our stories, and
I was fortunate enough to make it happen.

Speaker 41 (02:15:06):
I love that you When as soon as I saw
the story that the News that you acquired the Route,
I was so incredibly happy because as you know, uh
you know, in news, a lot of our stories are suppressed.
A lot of the stories that we are that we
put on a lot of the stories just are not

(02:15:26):
told or not told accurately.

Speaker 17 (02:15:29):
Tell me about what you plan to.

Speaker 41 (02:15:31):
Prioritize in terms of editorially, what stories do you plan
to bring to the forefront.

Speaker 39 (02:15:39):
The most important thing we're going to do is tell
the truth. We're gonna lead with facts and honesty and
data and science. And you know, I have a background
in politics, and oftentimes when we're running campaigns and we're
talking about the black electorate, we say this thing that
black people are not a monolith.

Speaker 24 (02:15:56):
And that is the truth. And so our editorial will present.

Speaker 39 (02:16:00):
That I love gardening and my sister loves education, and
we're allowed to do that, and they should be able
to read about that information. But here's the one thing
I'll just say is, you know, Isaac, you asked why
I wanted to buy the root. Historically, we have always
as a people found ways to have our space, whether

(02:16:22):
it was starting our sororities and fraternities, or having HBCUs
where we could get an education because we've been excluded,
or whether it was from I to be well to
the Pool reporters, and now in two thousand and eight,
when when the route was started on the election of
Barack Obama, we have always found ways to overcome the
moment we're in, to center our the stories that need

(02:16:44):
to be told. And this is the moment that we're
going to be doing that in the Root, so we'll
be focusing on the news of the day and politics,
but we also know Black culture sets American culture and
ultimately sets global culture, and so we want to harness
and show the best in the bright.

Speaker 24 (02:17:00):
It is the.

Speaker 39 (02:17:00):
Struggles of our lives, but also the joy of our lives,
because joy will be an active resistance that we hope
to showcase editorially as well.

Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
Social media is a big part of distributing information. What
plans do you have for the Root as far as
social because that's where really most people get their news.
I'm looking forward to a Root fan base page, but
I definitely want to, you know, what are your plans
for social media and getting information out there to the people,
because that's where we get our news primarily these days.

(02:17:33):
As legacy media tends to decline, cable media tends to decline,
everybody's in their pockets, So what are your plans for
social media.

Speaker 24 (02:17:40):
We'll be everywhere. We're going to maintain our website.

Speaker 39 (02:17:43):
We're going to have a video first approach as well
as the written word, because both are essential parts to communicate,
whether it be Instagram or YouTube or TikTok will have
presence there.

Speaker 24 (02:17:55):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 39 (02:17:56):
Technology is always evolving, and as new platforms like fan
base like spill become available.

Speaker 24 (02:18:03):
We want to be there as well.

Speaker 39 (02:18:04):
Part of I think the call to action in this
moment for the ROOT is to meet our audience where
they are. Folks have so much access to stuff, and
so we should not assume that people will default to
the ROOT.

Speaker 23 (02:18:17):
We have to earn.

Speaker 39 (02:18:18):
We've had loyal readers for a very long time and
for that I'm extremely grateful for them, but we have
to maintain and make sure we make it easy for
them to get the news and information because as you said,
everything is everywhere, and it's so fast and coming at
people so much, and they can choose to go someplace else.
So we're going to meet folks where they are. But
here's the other thing that I think is really interesting

(02:18:39):
in the ROOT is that we also as black people,
are communal, so we'll be on social media, but we
also will be offline.

Speaker 24 (02:18:45):
We'll be in cities.

Speaker 39 (02:18:47):
There's a Root one hundred Gala, but they also had
activations throughout the country that we hope to do as well,
so that people can actually interact in person and not
just on social media.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Awesome. Well we are for this accomplishment. Of course, we
love to watch you on CNN. Get everybody.

Speaker 10 (02:19:06):
Ell.

Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
I messaged you the other day about that that clip,
that that clip that's gone around. But you know, we'll
let the route handle those conversations. You handle those conversations,
continue to do that, but I know you got to go.
Congratulations to everything that you were doing. Continued success and
all that you do. And thank you for stopping buying
Best twenty twenty five.

Speaker 24 (02:19:26):
Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
All right, we'll get ready back four F I call

(02:19:51):
a friend of fan base, Candice Kelly. How are you doing.

Speaker 17 (02:19:55):
I am doing well today, Isaac. Good to see you
get to be here too.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
I first want to thank you for having me as
a guest on Not All Hood podcast. That that podcast
with you and Malcolm was a really special one for me.
I got to say a lot of things I normally
don't get to say. And I want to thank you
guys for giving me your platform and the opportunity to
do this, even this broadcast, this evening. So thank you.

Speaker 17 (02:20:21):
Absolutely, it was good to have you.

Speaker 25 (02:20:23):
You know, I always learned something when I am sitting
down with you or cheep up on you on YouTube.
You always say something that's very valuable when it comes
to speech ownership and just being a part of the
twenty twenty five that we know now.

Speaker 17 (02:20:39):
So it was great to have here.

Speaker 3 (02:20:41):
So you're a legal analyst, and so I know you
know about the First Amendment and freedom of speech and
all these things. Where do you think we are in
this country with freedom of speech currently?

Speaker 17 (02:20:55):
You know what we are at a very crucial time.

Speaker 25 (02:20:58):
Crucial time being that what we are are saying is
being monitored at every turn. And this is something that constitutionally,
we have protections that are in place, that are at
our guardrails that allow us to say whatever we want
to say. What's happening now is that people are saying
you know, I'm going to prevent you from saying anything,
and I'm also going to tell you that what you're saying,

(02:21:20):
even though it's legal, is not legal. And then we're
going to play this out in the court system, We're
going to play this out in the media, and we're
going to play it on the executive level. Right We've
got the executive branch and the president involved in what
we are saying.

Speaker 17 (02:21:35):
Well, guess what the Constitution is all we've already been written.

Speaker 25 (02:21:39):
We can say things without being prevented from saying them.
But people feel like, oh my goodness, I'm so scared.
This is why we have a legal system in the
first place. We have a legal system. So somebody does
say something that invades somebody's privacy or is defamatory, well
there are rules and guidelines that are in place for
you to take someone to court. But now we're part

(02:22:00):
where people are scared to say anything because they're afraid
they're going to lose their job as a teacher. They're
afraid they're going to lose their job as a firefighter
or the CEO of a company. This is where we are,
and folks are scared. Truth is, they do not have
to be That's how the law works. Sometimes we see
it play out in a way that takes a much
longer process in terms of the legal system.

Speaker 17 (02:22:22):
You do not have to be afraid.

Speaker 25 (02:22:24):
The First Amendment, which I believe in whole heartedly, it
has your back all the way.

Speaker 3 (02:22:29):
How does that play into with the recent I guess
takeover of social media by right wing organizations now that
look to censor free speech and where fan base serves
as an alternative where I'm not here to censor anybody's
freedom of speech at all.

Speaker 25 (02:22:49):
Well, listen, that is one of the things about fan
Base that I love.

Speaker 17 (02:22:53):
That's why I'm an investor.

Speaker 25 (02:22:55):
Because the First Amendment rules, and you're someone that says, hey,
we are not going to stop you from saying things. Granted,
there are limits, right, so the professor in me wants
to make sure that we know, of course, if something's
upscene or if you're about to hurt someone, that's totally different.
But when we are talking about the First Amendment, what
the First Amendment was? Their goals were It is met

(02:23:20):
by your platform at fan Base so that people can
say what they want not be afraid of being not
only just having their post taken down, but being arrested.
Let's be real, you can say things these days these
days that you don't know whether or not it's going
to be arrested or not. You know, someone was talking
to me the other day they said, it's really just scary,

(02:23:41):
even if you have an accent these days, to be
walking down the street. What is ice going to be
doing to you? Again, that's another First Amendment issue. But
to have a platform that is owned by someone that
you know you may run into in Atlanta, right, that
makes a big difference. You are accessible, you are someone
that people know, you are someone that has a legacy,

(02:24:01):
and I think that also makes a difference. There's a
kind of a safety net that you have there where
someone who looks like you is doing something that is
for you. So to be a part of it is
a very big deal. It's different than being on Meta.
It's different than you know, being on Twitter, It's different
than being on Instagram. And you have somebody that you

(02:24:21):
kind of know their history, that you understand who they are.
In the music world, in the world of you know,
your social currency, I call it is very high. It
is good to have that and you know that you're
protected and can say what you want because a lot
of people are scared. The other reason that people are
scared is because they just don't know the law. They

(02:24:43):
are afraid, and they just don't often have power. So
what you're doing is really empowering people to say what
they want because you are not going to come down
and send a quick takedown notice and it's not going
to be political and biased anyway.

Speaker 17 (02:24:57):
And that makes a difference.

Speaker 25 (02:24:58):
Because the more we say, the more that we engage
in dialogue with other people out there, the better we
are as a community.

Speaker 17 (02:25:05):
That's how our ideas are exchanged.

Speaker 25 (02:25:08):
You know what I like this is saying that someone
told me, they said, you know, the biggest export that
America has is information, and we are in an information
age and to be able to fully be involved in
it and exchange ideas is very powerful.

Speaker 3 (02:25:22):
Thank you. I appreciate that. Also, thank you for being
a fan base investor. That's that's another thing that's extremely important.
I thank you for being a fan based investor. We
have a lot here joining us this evening, and that's
a huge part of what we're doing though as far
as the raise is concerned. But I appreciate you joining
us today and at least informing the people about you know,

(02:25:48):
to not be afraid. And also we need to take
advantage of this moment in investing and owning the platform
and using the platform. And so it's always great to
talk to you. I appreciate you popping through today.

Speaker 42 (02:26:03):
Absolutely absolutely. Can I throw in one more thing? Yes, indeed, Okay,
I don't want to go with my time. I'm good
about time, but I do want to say this that.
People have also been seeing a lot of things in
the media about all of these mergers, right whether it
you know, I think it's Sinclair and Tegna, and then
there's Paramount, and then you've got the president that came
in and you know, he got millions of dollars from

(02:26:26):
Paramount because of something that was said on CBS, and
all of that has been very much in the headlines
again because what we are saying is being politicized. So
that when you are able to have your own station,
I call it a station. We have a station when
you get on fan base, just like any other legacy
media because the YouTubers and people who you know aren't

(02:26:48):
a part of legacy media, they have a huge voice
out there and it is more than competing with the
legacy abcs and NBCs.

Speaker 17 (02:26:57):
That we know.

Speaker 25 (02:26:57):
So when you are on fan Base, you are able
to have a broadcast, not not a narrow cast. I
think that narrow cast is what we are seeing on
ABC NBC right. We know that they have a certain
period of time, they have to meet certain deadlines. They've
got big wigs in the x SEC over them. In
a way you're not going to have on fan base

(02:27:19):
and I think that that also makes a difference and
want people to understand that this platform is something that
they can take advantage of and have a voice that
is as powerful as any other legacy media that is
out there.

Speaker 3 (02:27:31):
Thank you, Where can where can we find you? On
fan Base? What's your fan base user names? Everybody can
follow you, all right, So they're.

Speaker 25 (02:27:38):
Gonna be two places you gotta go to not all
Hood all right, you also have to go to kandas
Kelly TV. And I also think that not All Hood
may be not underscore all Hood.

Speaker 17 (02:27:50):
They're gonna get me, Isaac, but look.

Speaker 25 (02:27:52):
Count me out and post on this but google not
Allhood on fan Base and then also on kandas Kelly TV.

Speaker 17 (02:27:58):
We would love to have you following us.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
Thank you very much. I appreciate you coming through this
evening and much love. As always, I'll see you next
time you're back in Atlanta.

Speaker 17 (02:28:06):
All right, we'll do all right?

Speaker 3 (02:28:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (02:28:09):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (02:28:09):
My name is Aba Medina.

Speaker 43 (02:28:10):
I am the publicist for fan Base and Isaac Kay's third.
In my role, I help to amplify culture driven stories
that drive ownership and impact. It is a very inspiring
place to be as I watch Isaac and our team
evolved app to its ultimate functionality. Our Investathon is not

(02:28:31):
just about fundraising. It's a reminder that our ownership is
invaluable and we've lented to the world and now it's
time for us to claim it for ourselves. Continue enjoying
investa Thon, download fan base, and be you with that limits.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
Welcome back to Investathon twenty twenty five for fan base.
I am now joined by miss Aby Burns Tucker, a attorney, activists, influencer,
creates phenomenal black woman joining us today who's actually been
on our podcast before, but I wanted her to come
to invest in On today because a lot has changed

(02:29:10):
even since we had our last conversation, which is about
the era of social media and ownership. And so you
are a TikTok user and Instagram user. I first want
to ask you how do you feel about this new
acquisition of TikTok and have you seen any changes in
the platform so far?

Speaker 37 (02:29:32):
So, if I'm being honest, I don't know how I
feel yet right I'm still waiting to sort of have
the open conversations about what this is going to look
like for us as TikTok users. I know there's a
lot of concerns about it. I've been focused on other
things happening in government right now, to be quite frank,
So I'm interested in seeing how this affects our use

(02:29:56):
of TikTok moving forward.

Speaker 40 (02:29:58):
But I know, like a lot of people.

Speaker 37 (02:29:59):
Are concerned about who's taken over it, especially considering that
the Right seems to own every media source that you know,
we're able to utilize right now, so a little scary.

Speaker 3 (02:30:10):
So what do you think about media ownership in general?
Because I know we've had ice run up in Chicago
and pull black children out of out of their apartment buildings,
but I haven't seen it on any media site. And so,
you know, how do we how do we how do
we you know, get our stories out If the platforms

(02:30:31):
that we are supposed to trust and use and know
about what's going on in our community don't show us
what's going on in our community.

Speaker 37 (02:30:39):
Well, I think it goes to the point of, like,
we need ownership, and we need more equity in the
sources and the platforms that we're using. Right Without that
control and without you know, our voices being heard on
what is needed in our communities, We're just never going
to get the information that we need. I think that's
been one of the benefits of social media is that,

(02:31:01):
you know, for those individuals who didn't get their information
and their news from other sources, they could tap into
their favorite creators. But now that we're seeing the manipulation
that is happening with these algorithms right now, that we're
seeing who's actually dominating and owning these platforms, we're seeing
our voices be drained out more and more. So I

(02:31:22):
think that is why it's an important I think Jasmine
Crockett mentioned something about this where you know, she mentioned
that Democrats, for example, weren't.

Speaker 40 (02:31:31):
Even on social media, let alone.

Speaker 37 (02:31:33):
Did they own platforms, right, And now you see the
opposition right owning platforms.

Speaker 10 (02:31:40):
Not only are they on the airs all day every
day and.

Speaker 37 (02:31:43):
Like flooding us with information, the information that they want
people to receive, but they are owning these platforms. And
so because they own these platforms, they get to put
out the information that they want the.

Speaker 40 (02:31:54):
Audience to hear.

Speaker 37 (02:31:56):
And so there in lies the issue with us, you know,
getting the little bit about what happened to in Chicago,
and yet the airwaves are flooded with things like how
much time is did he gonna get tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:32:07):
Or Cardi b and Nicki Minaja. So you know, so
let me ask you this. You were recently in DC
for CBC Week. Was there any conversation about media ownership
during that week at all?

Speaker 37 (02:32:23):
So let me be clear that there were a lot
of different panels that happened, so I couldn't confirm or
deny whether those conversations had were happened formully formally excuse me,
because again there were so many panels, and the ones
that I went to weren't necessarily geared towards tech, but
the conversations were had in smaller.

Speaker 40 (02:32:43):
Circles I was in.

Speaker 10 (02:32:44):
Let me say that.

Speaker 37 (02:32:46):
And so I think there is this awareness, you know,
especially with the acquisition of TikTok right now, there is
this awareness.

Speaker 40 (02:32:53):
That we are losing.

Speaker 37 (02:32:56):
And everyone wants to talk about the messaging war and
stuff like that, but it's like, you can't have a
message in war if you don't have the resources to
get you a message out. So I think that needs
to be a broader conversation because we just I just
don't feel like.

Speaker 40 (02:33:11):
We can trust a lot of the media sources that
we have right now.

Speaker 37 (02:33:16):
I mean, they are capitulating to what is happening in
big government, and we're seeing them bend the knee every
which way. And then we're also seeing what stories and
what creators get highlighted on these different platforms.

Speaker 40 (02:33:27):
Right, just you have creators that aren't perhaps.

Speaker 37 (02:33:30):
Giving news and either the news is not accurate or
they're not giving you, you know, an accurate analysis for example,
to help the audience actually understand what's going on. But
because of the entertainment aspect of it, it is pushed
out in the masses and so now people think they
are informed, but they're really not. They're just being entertained.
And so I think we need to be mindful of

(02:33:51):
things like that too. But yeah, going back to the
original question, the conversation was had or had we had
the conversation and smaller circles that I was in, but
I'm not sure if there was any there are any
panels specific to media ownership.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
So what do you think what role because you know,
we we were talking about fan Base the last time
we were together, Like, what role do you think platforms
black olled platforms like fan Base can do to help
our message as black people and black creators? Like, what
do you think we could be doing or what what

(02:34:30):
position should fan base be taking in this in this
new era.

Speaker 37 (02:34:35):
Yeah, I mean I think continue to push the idea
of fan base, right like you and I. You know,
we got to have some one on one time where
you showed me the platform and all the things that
he can do. And I have been happily sharing that
with other creators in the space that I'm in, And
I think, of course, yeah, but I think it's about
like broadening the horizon and knowing that there is a

(02:34:58):
space for us, right.

Speaker 40 (02:34:59):
But I I think it's.

Speaker 37 (02:35:00):
Really important that we do buy into a black media space.

Speaker 24 (02:35:04):
Right.

Speaker 37 (02:35:04):
We need a platform by us for us that highlights
our voices, point plant period, that is not biased against
our skin tones, that is not biased against our messaging, right,
that is giving us a active and a fair and
even platform in space to communicate to our audience.

Speaker 40 (02:35:22):
And I think that's where fan base comes in.

Speaker 37 (02:35:24):
So I say that fan base need to continue to
do what to do, right, Continue to get donations, get donors, investors,
whatever need to be done, continue to promo because it's
all color tumpframe investor that investor, my bad, look my bad.
But continue to get investors to pull up and support
the platform because we're.

Speaker 40 (02:35:44):
Going to have to have a space.

Speaker 37 (02:35:46):
And I think that it's good that the platform is
rolling out now right, that people are more and more
like fighting out about it and buying into it now,
because we've got to do it before it's too late.

Speaker 7 (02:35:58):
Right.

Speaker 37 (02:35:58):
We cannot wait until they can take over TikTok and
then we're just not allowed to be on TikTok no
more for whatever reason. Right to decide we want to
join a fan base, right, because that is too late.
Then we have to start investing in this now. And
I think it's more it's a responsibility to us too
as creators and messengers to make sure that we have
an active space for us to continue to communicate to

(02:36:21):
our audiences with. We can't ain't nobody coming to save us,
So we're gonna have to save ourselves, and fan base
is going to be one of the ways that we
save ourselves.

Speaker 3 (02:36:30):
So I've asked this question a couple times this evening
that about four or five men on about ninety eight
percent of the media in the country right now. Where
you think of Instagram, you think of x or you
think of Paramount Global, and now TikTok and meta Instagram.

(02:36:53):
How do you feel about such a small group of
people owning social media platforms.

Speaker 40 (02:36:59):
I think that.

Speaker 37 (02:37:00):
Is scary and we should be scared. We should be
concerned about that, Like that is a monopoly in its
finus right, That is.

Speaker 40 (02:37:07):
A monopoly on the freedom of speech right.

Speaker 37 (02:37:11):
That is monopoly on equality and equity, quite frankly, right,
And we need to be concerned about four people dominating
the airways on what we can say, how we say it,
and who gets to hear it, right, recognizing that other

(02:37:31):
dictatorships and authoritorium regimes took over media and press right
in order to propress messaging and keep people in bondage
right mentally and physically, quite frankly, so we should be
concerned about that, and we should not allow that in a.

Speaker 40 (02:37:50):
Country where we should have freedom of speech.

Speaker 37 (02:37:52):
How free are we if four people are in control
of how we speak, when we speak, and who gets
to hear what we say?

Speaker 3 (02:37:59):
Yeah, I mean I agree, I think that's you know,
when we first when we first founded the company, I
always say fan base was something that I wanted you
to disrupt, just mainstream media with regard to TV, film, music,
stuff like that, but now it's looking more as a
resource of communication that's necessary, especially for black people, because

(02:38:24):
I feel like, you know, we're shut out and we
don't really have the opportunity to own our narrative in
a way that allows us to communicate effectively. So fan
base is an emergency. I think that's the really one
of the things that we're expressing during this this uh
this broadcast, this special because the two people that I

(02:38:45):
wanted to talk to the most were content creators and
media like icons of people in media that are they're
forced out of media and not able to kind of
have that that conversation. And so, what what do you
think is next for you personally as a content creator?

(02:39:06):
What are you doing to prepare in the event that
things happen? Are you doing any type of preparation? Are there?
Are they? Because I always tell people you should, you
should use other platforms. What are you preparing? Because I
told people today I said, I said, I said on
this other show, I said, back up your blackup. Like
with fan base, you got to back up your black
you know what I mean? Like you know what I'm saying.

(02:39:27):
So what are you doing to kind of prepare in
the event just in case.

Speaker 37 (02:39:32):
Yeah, I mean, so I'm one of quite a few
creators who you know, I scaled to different platforms pretty early.
So I'm grateful that, you know, my audience is dispersed
amongst the different social media platforms, which is good. How
I think, like having a mailing list, having your own

(02:39:54):
mailing list is also very important so that you can
directly reach your audien as when necessary, because you know,
we've seen these apps crashed before, for example, right, and
it is devastating. I'm one person who early on when
I first went viral on my platform, was growing like
someone had actually stole access to my Instagram account and

(02:40:15):
I was locked out on my account for months, right,
So I know how devastating it could be to like
lose that audience. So I think it's really about making
sure you scale out to other platforms. That's one thing
I've done. Have a mailing list. I have my own
website legallyhype dot com. Right, So you've got to have
you got to own something you right, you have to

(02:40:37):
own something of your own, like we are leasing space
on these platforms, right, like we are leasing this real estate.
You have to have your own asset. So that's why
investing in platforms like ban base, being able to do
that right is valuable. That's why having your own mailing
list is valuable. That is why having your own website
is valuable because you have ownership and that is important.

Speaker 40 (02:41:01):
I think that's what we've been lacking.

Speaker 37 (02:41:02):
So that's one way I've been trying to just scale
out and just protect myself if things do go awry,
and yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:41:11):
Just do it to do for mare well good. I mean,
where can where can people find you? Because I want
people to, you know, be able to find you on
all socials. I know, I know you're I know your
handle on fan base, but I tell everybody where they
can find you and keep up with you.

Speaker 37 (02:41:26):
Yeah, so my handle is the same across all social
media platforms. It's I am legally Hype and that's on
fan Base, Instagram, YouTube, all of whatever you use.

Speaker 40 (02:41:37):
You can find me on I Am.

Speaker 37 (02:41:39):
Legally Hype and then you can also go to my
website legally Hype dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:41:43):
Awesome. I want to thank you for keeping us aware
and keeping us not distracted with rappers fighting and all
that kind of stuff while real things are taking place
in the country. You are a treasure and a valuable
asset to our people and the fight in which we
have for democracy. So I thank you for freedom of
feed you very very much. I thank you for joining

(02:42:05):
us and continue success and blessings, and we're so glad
to have you on fan Base forward. Thank you. Everybody
is Aby Burns Tucker. We're gonna be seeing more of
her at fan Base for sure, but thank you very much.

Speaker 40 (02:42:19):
Thank you, and I'll be keeping out the stacty too.
But it's all had.

Speaker 3 (02:42:22):
Good fun, absolutely all right, bye bye, Hi everybody.

Speaker 44 (02:42:37):
My name is Lauren and I'm currently the product owner
at fan Base. Thank you so much for joining us
at our investor on today. We truly value your time,
your engagement, and your commitment to our shared mission and
vision for the product, its future, and its future successes.
We truly appreciate any contributions that you make to us
during this time. In my role at Fanbase, I'm in

(02:42:57):
control of a lot of things. I have a lot
of responsibilities making sure that the product operates efficiently, smoothly,
and reliably to create a really great home for all
of you out there. I have a lot of really
cool product improvements and updates that are on the roadmap,
and you might have already seen a few of them
go live in the app Fingers Crossed. But if you

(02:43:17):
haven't gotten a chance to check it out and download it,
go to your app store for whatever os you have.
Try it out, play around and leave us some feedback.
I hope to see you in Zendesk.

Speaker 3 (02:43:40):
To invest the THID twenty twenty five, I am joined
now by a black icon, a black legend in the
world of media and journalism. Everybody, welcome, mister Don Lemon
to invest the twenty twenty five. How you doing, man,
I'm great.

Speaker 28 (02:43:57):
I was looking around, like, who is this legend? Use this,
Mike on, come on, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:44:03):
There are very few, there are very few black voices
in media, and you are like one of the top ever,
like you wanted the goats, you know, and so I
appreciate you coming and talking about media today. I really
wanted to have this conversation about black media. I want

(02:44:23):
you to talk about what this journey has been like
from you post mainstream media.

Speaker 28 (02:44:29):
Well, you know how they say you find out who
your real friends are, right, oh and right? And you
really do and I find that you know your real
friends are.

Speaker 3 (02:44:39):
Come from your.

Speaker 28 (02:44:40):
Family, and I have luckily been able to I don't
know if I want to say a mass or acquire
or gather a really strong fan base of a group
of diverse fans. But my fan base are the I
think the heart of my fan base is like the

(02:45:01):
church ladies, the church hat wearing ladies, you know who
watched me on CNN and followed me here and and
the you know, the deacons in the church or whatever,
just very loyal people who understand how important it is
to have black voices. And now, since this is sort
of a socially forward, a front facing social era that

(02:45:25):
we're in, especially with media, so right now I'm in
everybody's pockets, on everybody's phones. And now my fan base
is younger, but it is a diverse group of people.
But I think the majority of my base is African
Americans and mainly women for me, which is great for advertisers.
So the journey for me has been one where I

(02:45:47):
found out who my true friends, who my true supporters are,
who what my true real the you know, the ogs,
the rider dies are And it's also been eye opening
and challenging. I say that it is it's daunting, it's
exhilarating and daunting all at the same time, and so

(02:46:10):
I'm happy that I'm in this space. I think I
left corporate media at the exact right time, and I'm
really excited about you know, where we're going. Even though
I wake up and I sit in front of a
camera a computer at eight am and I don't leave
until almost eight pm. I'm excited about the future and
I enjoy doing it. I'm happy to do it because
it's mine and it's that I love this new era

(02:46:31):
of media that we're in.

Speaker 3 (02:46:33):
Yeah, I like.

Speaker 7 (02:46:35):
This.

Speaker 3 (02:46:36):
Don Lemon curses and he gets to speak his mind,
and it's like, I think, you know, a big, a
big part of the conversation that that I've been having
is the migration from legacy television, which I think is
on the decline into being everyone. You know it's on
the decline. Come on, Isaac, you know it's on the decline.

Speaker 28 (02:46:57):
I mean, I mean, I know, but you know, all
you gotta do is look the numbers and look at
the numbers. No, let me give you your I'm sorry,
I don't mean to take over this interview.

Speaker 3 (02:47:04):
You did say I was an og.

Speaker 28 (02:47:06):
Let me give you your flowers for what you're doing
is fan base and and actually being a pioneer and
showing people by example what is needed in this moment,
and that is ownership in these social spaces and digital
spaces by black people, by African Americans. And so I
want to give you your your flowers for that. So

(02:47:29):
thank you for doing this, and thank you for leading
the way. And I, like, I tell you, if I
didn't work so hard, I would be I'd do more
with fan base. But I'm trying to build my base
and we're doing it together, so I'm here with you.
I wish I could do more. I wish there were
like three of me, but there's not.

Speaker 3 (02:47:45):
So, you know, I just wanted to tell you that
I'm sorry. We're gonna help you. One of the things
that that I that this era is seeing is the
erosion of free speech. We've seen what happened with Jimmy Kimmel.
You know, why, why do you think it is so
important now that we start building community outside of social

(02:48:07):
in a way that you know, outside of mainstream media,
that we can own. What's the importance of that, what's
the urgency in that?

Speaker 10 (02:48:13):
Look?

Speaker 28 (02:48:13):
I went onto NBC the other day, onto MSNBC and
I only do it if it's a if it's a friend,
there's someone.

Speaker 3 (02:48:23):
That because it's just not worth it.

Speaker 28 (02:48:25):
I get very little feedback when I appear on corporate media.
If I go on cable news, it's like, was I
even on? But when you're you know, when I come
on my show, If I come, I'm sure on your show,
then you get tons of feedback. And so what I
realized because they paid, they played clips from me Isaac
from when I when I was there and when I

(02:48:45):
used to fill in in the early two thousands, two
thousand and one or two thousand and two on MSNBC,
and they played all these NBC clips and I was like, man,
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (02:48:53):
Man, that's in their archives.

Speaker 28 (02:48:54):
I don't own any of that shit, right, And then
I go on to CNN or and they'll play a
clip from me.

Speaker 3 (02:49:01):
I don't own any of that shit.

Speaker 28 (02:49:03):
And guess what many of the stories that I did,
of the obituaries interviewed people.

Speaker 3 (02:49:07):
That they just cut me right out.

Speaker 28 (02:49:11):
Because I don't own any of that. So basically, if
you go on CNN, it's as if I never existed,
because they own it. And you know, if they want
to erase you, then they erase you. But in these spaces,
no one can erase me but me, and so I
own my own material.

Speaker 3 (02:49:29):
And so to answer your question, it.

Speaker 28 (02:49:30):
Is important that black people have ownership in themselves, that
we own our own ips, that we own, that we
are in out in front in this business. And don't
get me started on AI. We really need to get
on top of that as well. But it's important to
have because look at look at the mainstream corporate media

(02:49:52):
now it's all conglomerated. It's all conglomerates, and they're consolidating
conservative media. Look at what's happening with Paramount and what
Ellison is doing. He's gonna have CBS, he is Paramount,
he is probably gonna buy CNN, and so it's gonna
so they're gonna have a part in TikTok, I mean,

(02:50:14):
and if they want to erase us and cut us out,
they'll be able to do it. So we need to
make sure that that doesn't happen. And we need to
be in community.

Speaker 3 (02:50:20):
With each other. That's the only way it's going to
make a difference.

Speaker 28 (02:50:22):
So the Jimmy Kimmel thing showed people what the power
of the dollar is and so I say, the only
color they care about, they don't really care about black
and white, they care about green.

Speaker 3 (02:50:33):
And so their money is your money.

Speaker 28 (02:50:35):
And when people stop giving their money to them, then
they said, oh, we need to bring Jimmy Kimmel back.

Speaker 3 (02:50:40):
So we need to stop giving our money to.

Speaker 28 (02:50:43):
Them and give it to our folks and invest it
in our folks, and then maybe they'll realize how important
we are and they won't try to erase us.

Speaker 3 (02:50:52):
That's it. We're segueing into the part that I think
there's only like four or five of the richest men
in the world own like ninety eight percent of the
media now, which is crazy crazy, it's very very scary.
It's it's and it's funny because I saw I saw
some people posting about this today, and it was some
guys that I said, I told you guys, this is coming,
and that we don't take the opportunity to uplift our

(02:51:14):
own voices and ways that we can build community and
culture and places that I feel like allow us to
have our own voice. This is this is a very
very important moment. So and again, right wing media owning,
you know, the Tiktoks of the world. I don't know
if I don't know how much you use TikTok, but
for the youth and to be able to silence messages

(02:51:36):
and silence the agenda of individuals that have things to
say that may not align with the administration or the
owners of the platform. This is the urgency and building
up fan base, building up other social media platforms. You
building your platforms. What are you doing to to do
your part as far as creating with your show? Because

(02:51:58):
I watch you all the time. It's great. I get
you're out in the street. You know you're doing You're
working harder than obviously anybody work to. You know, do
what you're doing it and you're fearless about it. So
what are you doing in this space to kind of
leave your market, separate yourself one?

Speaker 28 (02:52:13):
You know, at the end of the day, I'm just
trying to be successful, right, I'm just trying to survive
and have a successful business and platform. But what I
try to do is I try to collaborate with as
many people as possible, and I try to collaborate with
a diverse group of people and especially people of color.
So if you will watch my program many times, you'll see,

(02:52:33):
you know, black people like you'll see today if we
had the Diddy vertic, You'll see Simone RedWine, or you
see Monique Presley who's on all the time on the program,
or you'll see a Charles Coleman. And I think that
many times from these conversations, black voices are missing. But
also I have Asian voices like Katie fang On because
I think it's important to have a.

Speaker 3 (02:52:55):
Diverse group of people.

Speaker 28 (02:52:57):
But so I want to make sure that we have
diversity and from very smart people. And I find that
especially as it relates to culture. Our folks know everything
about the culture, and so, uh, that's what that's what
you know. I lead my legacy as to giving people,
other people a platform and a chance to be able

(02:53:19):
to grow their brands and their platforms as well. I
don't want to be someone who takes from, uh, you know,
uses people's talent and not get back.

Speaker 3 (02:53:29):
I see that a lot of people do that. I'm
not that person.

Speaker 28 (02:53:33):
If you come on my program, I'm gonna I'm gonna
gas you up, I'm gonna gas up you're what you do.
I'm gonna promote what you do. I'm gonna I've offered
people to be contributors on the program to get them started,
and then once they get started, they do their own thing.

Speaker 3 (02:53:46):
So that's what I want to be.

Speaker 28 (02:53:47):
I want to be an asset to the folks who
are coming up behind me. And I think that's that's
my biggest contribution. Like you said, I'm the og. Okay, fine,
that just makes me feel old, but.

Speaker 3 (02:53:59):
I'll take that.

Speaker 28 (02:54:01):
And then also I got to tell you. You know
Charles Blow right from Yeah, Charles Blow is a brother,
and also you.

Speaker 3 (02:54:07):
Know has been on the program.

Speaker 28 (02:54:11):
And I saw the other night and he says, you know,
you're the dean of all this, and I said, what
are you talking about? He goes, you're the dean of
this new media, like everyone is watching your transition to
see what you do in order to figure out what
they're going.

Speaker 3 (02:54:21):
To do next. And I said, wow.

Speaker 28 (02:54:23):
And so if I can just provide somewhat of a
roadmap for people, then I'm cool with that.

Speaker 3 (02:54:31):
Yeah, you're doing that. I mean you're doing that, and
you're and you're doing you know again, you're doing your
version and your voice is necessary. They're you know, what's
going on in Chicago. I noticed that I have not
seen that on anywhere in the media. And again, I
think that one of the things that Tamisha and I

(02:54:53):
were talking about was that how urgent fan base is
as a place for black people to communicate what's going
going on, if they're doing if ice is switching the
narrative from going from talking about we're going to get
illegals and now we're pulling African American people out of
their homes. That is the urgency of I guess owning
a platform or having a platform like fan base, and

(02:55:15):
it's at this time it seemed, you know, maybe a
few years ago it seemed like social media was fun,
but now everybody's realizing the tool that it is to
mass communicate in real time and in our version of
the underground railroad or urgens to get urgency to get
messages out. I would want to hear your thoughts on
how utilizing media platforms like fan base can serve and

(02:55:36):
getting a wider message out. And we know it's going
to be hard to get these messages out on these
legacy apps.

Speaker 28 (02:55:41):
I only get feedback from social media now, and so
it's not that social media is the future. Social media
is the now and for someone and for fan base, right,
which is really it's more about experts than it is
really just about creators, right, and offering you know, black

(02:56:02):
folks of space to be become creators if they want.
Our experts are a place for them to show their
expertise and their abilities. That's important because if you look
at it's all about algorithms, you know this, Isaac, It's
all about algorithms and people.

Speaker 3 (02:56:17):
Algorithms are as biased.

Speaker 28 (02:56:19):
Or not biased, are unbiased as the people who programmed them.

Speaker 3 (02:56:24):
And so how do I answer this? I want to
answer this with an example.

Speaker 28 (02:56:31):
If you look at what happened with TikTok, when TikTok
really became, you know, at its zenith, because I think
it's you know, it's declined somewhat over the last couple
of months. Was during COVID, and so people were sitting
at home, they were watching videos, they were doing whatever,

(02:56:51):
and they were doing.

Speaker 3 (02:56:52):
All these dances.

Speaker 28 (02:56:54):
All of these dances had been most of them, if
not all of them, had been had been created by black,
black dancers, black creators. And then the kids that came
along who were imitating them are just mimicking their dancing
and their choreography got all the money from it because
they got all.

Speaker 3 (02:57:13):
The views because the algorithm is what created.

Speaker 28 (02:57:19):
Yeah, the algorithm is created and it's created around them.
The algorithm favors them, and so in this space, the
algorithm doesn't favor.

Speaker 3 (02:57:30):
You know, a certain group of people. It is a
fair algorithm.

Speaker 28 (02:57:33):
And it also understands that especially the culture of entertainment,
fashion or whatever, it's black culture.

Speaker 3 (02:57:41):
All this American culture is black culture.

Speaker 28 (02:57:43):
You go all over the world and you see American culture,
which is black culture.

Speaker 3 (02:57:47):
People wearing Jordan's all over the world. You may like
yay or not, or yee or not.

Speaker 28 (02:57:52):
People are wearing Yeezies all over the world, you know
what I mean. People are listening to Beyonce all over
the world. People are listening to Isaac Hayes Senior all
over the world. That's black culture, that's American culture. So
in order to I think to profile that, you need
a black platform, a black owned platform to do that.

(02:58:16):
And then once that is established, I think in galvanized,
then people will say, you know, I don't need to
go to that other platform. I can go to this
black platform. I can make money there, I can become
a creator, I can have revenue share there. And so
I hope that we get to that point. We are
at that point, but I hope we get to a
point soon where you know, I don't have to go

(02:58:36):
to all the other platforms. I could just come to
someone something like fan base and boom, that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:58:40):
We're gonna get there. I certainly wouldn't work, you knows
so hard. We're gonna get there. I think, you know,
part of part of what we've done this year is
actually work on our recommendation engine, our version of an algorithm,
and our algorithm is all the way DEI. It's like
it's inclusive of all people. That's what you know, this whole,
this whole journey and process has been about. It's building

(02:59:03):
something inclusive, but that recognizes black people because we do
get economically cut out of what are our creations. We
invent something, then somebody cops it, you know, they exploit it,
they make all the money from it, and then we
complain after the fact. And so my my version of
trying to cut that off is building the infrastructure of
the ownership of social media so that people can actually

(02:59:24):
own the company and also monetize their content, which now
everybody's starting to do. And we see like consanat and
all these other people starting to monetize and that's really
the future. So you're one of those individuals that are
leading that. I thank you for for joining us and providing, uh,
you know, an opportunity for you to share your experience

(02:59:45):
in black media. How can we support you and what
you're doing and and and at the same time, I
know we're gonna get you. Uh, We're gonna we're gonna
do something special with you on fan base. I'm gonna
I'm gonna hit you about it. We're gonna do something
special with you in audio and the audio your spaces.
We have these amazing audio rooms don that can reach
millions of people right without even having to download the app.

(03:00:07):
And so town halls really great, amazing conversations that can
that can jump the limits of having even having to
download an app. Just to hear you talk and really
get the word out is really what I want to
talk to you about doing about doing that because that's
going to be very important.

Speaker 28 (03:00:21):
So I want to have a meeting with me and
you and my head of social media so we can
figure out how to help each other.

Speaker 3 (03:00:27):
Awesome, thank you, We will help each other. I appreciate
you for stopping by Vestison. We will we will follow
your journey and support your journey Tube the.

Speaker 28 (03:00:37):
Donovan Show on YouTube, down Lemon Official on Instagram, and
then don Lemon everywhere else that you get streaming and
social media.

Speaker 3 (03:00:43):
Thank you, sir. I appreciate you very very much. Thank you, Isaac.
You'd be well, Okay, have a blessed day you too.
Welcome back to INVESTI on twenty twenty five. We are

(03:01:05):
joined now by the legend the Leader, Pastor Jamal Bryant.
How are you doing, my guy, man?

Speaker 10 (03:01:13):
I am super excited to be connected to you and
to be connected to fan base and to be a
part of an amazing moment in history for the culture.

Speaker 3 (03:01:23):
Thank you. I've been watching you, probably for the past year,
put the black community on your back. You're stepping up
in a way that I think we needed as far
as leadership. I text you from time to time and
let you know that. But if no one has told you,
I think that you're doing an amazing job. I really

(03:01:47):
appreciate what you're doing, and I want to acknowledge that
first before anything. If nobody's told you, I'm telling you,
thank you for your leadership, your service and what you're
doing for the black community.

Speaker 10 (03:01:56):
It means more coming from Isaac Hayes third. So I'm grateful.
Oh man, I'm glad that I'm glad that both of
us are really doing what I think that we were
born to do in terms of equality. You're doing it
in technology and I'm trying to do it in the economy.
And I think that there's a conflation of both of those.
Were we able to come together, and I think that's

(03:02:17):
why we're able to link up for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:02:20):
So I know, like right now we're in an interesting
time as a company when it comes to social media
and free speech. And I wanted to get your thoughts
on what I feel like as an attack on black people,
black culture, especially the ability to communicate in the way

(03:02:42):
that we need to communicate, especially in times with like
DEI or you know, people running up in the buildings
in Chicago, stuff like that. Like, I want to know
your thoughts and what we need to be doing to
communicate and stay connected.

Speaker 10 (03:02:58):
There is nobody who out communicates black people. Black people
made Twitter, black people made Instagram. Is we're just muting
our voices. Fred Hampton said, we're not outnumbered, we're out organized,
And so I think that we got to strategically figure

(03:03:18):
out how do we amplify our voice for what it
is that we're going through. Right now, while I'm talking
to you, I am giving groceries ISAAC to a thousand
Georgians who've been furlough by the government. Now here's what's crazy.
I just announced it yesterday and when I got to
the church there were five hundred and thirty nine cars

(03:03:41):
on the campus. I announced it yesterday, five hundred and
thirty nine cars on the campus. I didn't open till
nine am. He is what's amazing. They found out because
I posted it, not on radio, not on television. So
we got to figure out how do we mobilize. Here's

(03:04:02):
what's significant is one hundred thousand people have been for
LOW just in Georgia alone. I know fan base is
nationwide and global, but one hundred thousand just in Georgia.
What if we used fan base for all of the
passes in Georgia to begin to strategize. But if we
begin to really do focus groups because of what we
see in in real time in Chicago on fan base.

(03:04:25):
Right now, should be the leaders from Memphis talking to
the leaders in Chicago to say Hey, what are y'all doing?
What should we be looking for?

Speaker 7 (03:04:34):
That?

Speaker 10 (03:04:35):
We don't just take it from clips, but we take
it on the ground, and so we know how to communicate.
We just don't know how to communicate to each other effectively.

Speaker 3 (03:04:44):
Wow. Yeah, I mean fan Base does have. I'm always
talking about the audio rooms on fan Base and the
ability we can communicate in real time and organize. I
think that's an amazing tool that I feel like we
don't use enough or take for granted, but interestingly enough
that this is a part. About ninety eight percent of
all the media in this country is owned by four

(03:05:08):
or five people. When you think about Elon Musk, Mark
Zuckerberg and now Larry Ellison who has Paramount Oracle and
now TikTok, what do you think about media ownership and
why we need black media ownership and why that's so important.

Speaker 10 (03:05:25):
Yeah, I think that the sint Clair family found a
very valuable lesson. Most recently when Jimmy Kimmel was taking
off of the air because of remarks that he made
around Charlie Kirk. They took him off. Disney lost Isaac
three point four billion dollars in a weekend, and by

(03:05:46):
that Tuesday, he was back on the air. The sint
Clair family said, I don't care what Disney says. There's
a whole lot of local markets. We're not going to
put him on. But what was significant and strategic is
that they didn't realize that nobody's looking at linear television anymore.
His numbers are higher than they ever been, but because

(03:06:07):
of streaming. But Isaac, let's go back a different way.
Flags went half mass. The Senate had a moment of
silence to talk about a day of memorial forget everything else,
Isaac drumroll. For a podcaster, No matter where you feel

(03:06:29):
about Charlie Kirk, he is not an elected official. He's
not a general in the military. At the bottom line,
he's a podcaster. So those of you don't understand the
power and the influence of what streaming and streaming capacity
can do, than look at Charlie Kirk as the test

(03:06:50):
tube baby. Last year he was able to amass forty
eight million dollars and he's not on ABC, not on CBS,
not on CNN, not on Fox. Did it all digitally.
So I'm gonna ask a question to the community, where's
the black Charlie Kirk. I'm not asking you where your
politics are, whether you left or right, but that is

(03:07:14):
talking about using a platform to eye advantage and from
doing it online is how you got Turning Point. Turning
Point is built online. And so what it is that
we talk about and Isaac, we deal with the whole
diaster of issues. But imagine if what Turning Point did

(03:07:34):
for Israel, black platforms can do for the Congo. Black
platforms can raise it for su Dan. Black platforms can
do it for what's happening in Haiti. Black platforms can
do that for our brothers and sisters Palestinians. And so
we've got to enlarge it around the conversation on who

(03:07:57):
Cardy Be is beefing with today. There is a whole
lot more than how much time is did he get?

Speaker 18 (03:08:03):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (03:08:03):
And we got to figure out how do we use
these platforms to really strength and equip, empower and inform.
Knowledge is power, and the Bible says our people are
down from a lack of knowledge.

Speaker 3 (03:08:14):
Wow, So that is that is a fact and some
bars in there. When when raising capital and when raising
capital for fan base, the two things that I thought
were very important is allowing people to invest in the
platform and have equity and have ownership, and you are

(03:08:34):
a fan base investor. Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Thank you, But also the ability to you know, own
something and communicate with our people. But then on something
that these platforms scales you hundreds and billions of dollars.
And so what do you think about the importance of
ownership in media, especially black media, when we have such

(03:08:57):
a massive footprint on social media, the effect that we
have on the culture, and investing in owning social media
that we've never really done this before. We've never really said,
all right, let's take some let's take social media to
infrastructure social media and own it and now we can
monetize it on the front end and have equity on
the back end. How important do you think that is?

Speaker 10 (03:09:14):
It's so critical and I'm glad that you're doing it,
and I want to talk backwards to family. Eighty two
percent of black people, those of you all listening, write
this down. Eighty two percent of black people don't own
a single cheff stock eighty two percent. So when you're talking,
Isaac about investing, you are talking alien aramaic to people

(03:09:41):
who don't even understand it. So the reason why it's
so critical for those of you all who are listening
that you are breaking generational cycles of poverty in your family,
because for many of you, you will be the very
first stockholder in your family. So when we're talking about
rational wealth, you got to think about how it is

(03:10:02):
that we moved. I use this example Isaac the other
day at new Birth about Barry Gordy. He was starting
Motown and no bank would give him a loan. He
had a family meeting and shared with his family what
the idea was where he saw the trends in music going,
and his family invested in Motown when banks would And

(03:10:27):
here's where I need you all to get excited. Family.
All of Barry Gordy's family who invested became millionaires. Here's
the shout. None of them sing, none of them dance,
none of them mix, none of them produce, but they invested.

(03:10:47):
And I'm saying that because when you invest in fan base,
you don't have to be a podcaster, you don't have
to be a social media influencer. All you have to
do is be somebody who sees the vis and understands.
I've read this story about the first day that Disney
World open in Orlando, when disney World opened in Orlando,

(03:11:10):
the wife of Walt Disney was interviewed by the reporter
from the Orlando Senatel and Walt Disney had died six
months before disney World opened, and the reporter asked of her,
what do you think Walt Disney would say if he
was able to see this? And she said isaid, he

(03:11:31):
did see it. That's why this is opening. Wow, those
Hugh All who are investing when it is that fan
base is able to eclipse the social media platform that
you are on right now, unborn generations in your family
are going to ask you did you see this happening?

(03:11:54):
And because you were investor, you're able to say, I
did see it. I did see it. That's why said
to happen. And so I want you to see because
a lot of black people are skittish about investing because
we got trust issues when it comes to finance and
comes to money. This brother has built this on his blood, sweat, tears,

(03:12:16):
and his back and he ain't going nowhere. He is
not in witness protection. He's not coming to you from Cuba.
He coming to you from the swats, getting it out
the mud. So this is a valuable option and opportunity.
This is what old Jewish people do. This is a

(03:12:38):
racist This is a fact. Old Jewish people bought their
children's stop for Christmas. How would you owe family life
change if going into this house? Because you already ain't
supposed to being targeted, no way. So what you're gonna
do with that money? Y'all say what y'all do with
that money? I want to challenge you, really want to

(03:13:00):
challenge you to invest, But don't just invest for you,
invest for your kids. Miles Monroe said, the best ideas
are in the cemetery because most people die with their idea,
they never live to see them happen. I want to
live to see fan base as a real commodity for

(03:13:20):
the community that takes us to the next level.

Speaker 3 (03:13:23):
I'm affirmative in that. I'm I'm I claim that every
single day. You know. That's that's that's why you know
what I'm saying, That's why we're here now. I've been
working really really hard on this, and you know, I'm
very I'm watching things right now with AI that are
using the likeness and image of black icons like doctor King,

(03:13:46):
like Michael Jackson, like Tupa, and I'm like, yo, that's
ownership in IP, even in the even in the world
of AI. There's a value there that we all have
digitally online and we need to protect that. And I
don't stay for that, you know. I mean, my father
is an icon in his own right. I don't want
people taking his image and his voice and making videos

(03:14:06):
out of it without our permission and using that. That's highly,
highly questionable. What do you feel about that? And where
do you think we're going with AI and protecting our culture?

Speaker 10 (03:14:17):
The dear brother Van Jones said a statement I disagree with.
He said, AI is the only opportunity black people have
for reparations. I don't think it's our only opportunity, but
I do think it is an opportunity. This summer, Isaac,
I shut down Vacation Bible School, those of y'all that
grew up in the church, the vacation Bible School, summer

(03:14:37):
camp the church. As for kids, I shut it down
and said, these black kids ain't gonna be coloring Noah's art.
They're going to be learning coding and robotics. And I
brought in one hundred and seventy five kids to learn AI.
It is the wave of the future. I read an
article in Newsweek. Y'all should go look it up on
a Black people will be the most adversely because of

(03:15:00):
AI in service industry jobs, and so we've got to
figure out how do we train and how do we
get a trade. This is a critical moment with I
don't even know how many people are furloughed by the government,
But the other missing integer is how many black people
are going to be impacted because they got contractual jobs.

(03:15:24):
And so when it is that you have AI, you're
able to curate your own future and curate your own path.
I was just outside, as I said, a moment ago,
giving our groceries to these families, and one of my
staff said, we haven't seen this kind of number since
the heart of the pandemic, and we are in a pandemic.
Three hundred thousand black women have lost their job since April,

(03:15:49):
were now in October, and the fastest group to get
jobs is white men. Y'all, come on, you got to
get up and shake yourself. We falling asleep at the work.
You know, Rip van Winkle is back. But if we
don't miss, if we don't get aboard this AI train,
I think that we're going to miss an amazing opportunity.

Speaker 3 (03:16:09):
What are we missing in our community about coming together
and supporting each other because we can move. This is
something that you didn't something that I'm gonna tell you
that you might not have known, and you probably do know.
After the election last year when Trump won, twenty five
million people downloaded Blue Sky in ninety days and from

(03:16:32):
that period it made the app or seven hundred million
dollars in less than ninety days. And what are we
missing as black people to say, everybody black in the
country that here's your voice, here's my voice. Just go
download fan base, but before you do, invest and then
watch the value of something that you invested in increase
just by doing that investing in downloading.

Speaker 10 (03:16:54):
I'm triggered because we were just talking about Disney. It
took them three day. I've been stomping the yard around
Target around seven months and I still got rappers in
that doing videos. I got still got influences running down
the aisle. And so unity, this unity is killing more

(03:17:18):
of us than Craig Cocaine did in the ages. If
we would just walk together, we would be able to
really turn the tide. And this shouldn't even be an issue.
When we was growing up, it used to be the
lou Ross Telethon for the United Negro College Fund. It
used to be Labor Day weekend. That's how we know

(03:17:38):
a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Wasn't no
means back then? We knew it through a telethon. So
I'm hoping that this telethon will catch on wildfire and
really move through it. And regrettably, we only come around
each other in unity around crisis. Somebody gotta die, somebody
gotta get shot. And I'm telling when you we're dying

(03:18:01):
from a lack of knowledge. We're dying because we don't
have skin in the game. And fan Base begins to
turn that time for all of us.

Speaker 3 (03:18:09):
Wow, Well, I want to thank you for joining us
this evening. I appreciate you. Is always I got something
we're gonna do for you, because I think you have
another town hall coming up if I'm not mistaken, right, okay,
that we're gonna air that town hall as a watch
party on fan Base Live. So when is that.

Speaker 10 (03:18:31):
Fact that tell hall coming soon?

Speaker 3 (03:18:34):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (03:18:35):
Stand by, okay, stand by. We are are trying to
get some real stakeholders here, but right now, I like
our sister Jasmin Krock can't leave the hill right now,
but I need people like her at the table in
order for us for this to happen. So as soon
as the smoke and the fog lifts, then I'm coming

(03:18:55):
back around the mountain for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:18:57):
All right. Well, well, thank you for joining us again.
I appreciate your service what you do for our community.
You are a true black leader. That's what black leadership
looks like. And I'm gonna thank you for joining us.
Uh And I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 10 (03:19:09):
We in it together. Love you, brother, Thank you, sir,
thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (03:19:12):
Okay,

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Host

Roland Martin

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Shutdown Hits Wallets, Trump Targets Chicago Leaders, FL Kirk Bill, The Root’s Black Ownership