Shutdown Showdown Drags On, 15K Attacks on Black Progress, MS Pollution Fight, Wake Forest Honor

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Well, it's Friday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty five. I'm Brittany
Noble sitting in for Roland Martin tonight. Here's what's coming up.
On Roland Martin unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network.
The shutdown showdown continues as the Senate fails for the
eleventh time to pass the bill to reopen the government,
leaving thousands in financial limbo. A new study reveals fifteen

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thousand documented attempts to erase, distort, or suppress Black progress
in America. The founder of the Impact will explain their findings. Plus,
Mississippi's Department of Environmental Qualities permit board reversed its decision
and unanimously approved the UK based company to increase pollution

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from its wood pell plant. We'll speak with a community
organizer who promises to fight to keep Gloucester's air clean
and wake Forth University names the Resident Tall in honor
of two black distinguished alums with the deep ties to
the university and Winston Stalem And we'll have highlights from
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Speaker 12 (05:16):
Well, it's day seventeen of the government shut down and
still no deal inside. This is now the third longest
shutdown in modern US history. After the Senate failed to
break the salemate for the eleventh time, Majority Leader John
Thune sent lawmakers home until Monday. Meanwhile, thousands of federal
workers and furloughed and waiting for a paycheck. Now the
standoff boils down to a fight over healthcare tax credits.

(05:40):
No surprise, Speaker Minke Johnson blames Democrats for blocking a deal.

Speaker 16 (05:45):
If you're keeping count at home, we're on day seventeen
of the shutdown. The Democrats were now voted for the
eleventh time to keep the government closed eleven times. Now
they refuse to just do their basic job, get the
government going again, making sure that federal employees are paid,
that our troops are paid, border patrol agents, TSA agents,
air traffic controllers, and everyone else who relies upon the

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vital services.

Speaker 17 (06:09):
Of our federal government.

Speaker 16 (06:11):
They're being denied that because Democrats in Congress are playing games,
and right now, to add insult to injury, if you're
paying attention at home, you also need to make note
of this. Yesterday, the Senate Democrats took it a step further.
They rejected a standalone bill to fund our nation's defense
and pay our troops.

Speaker 17 (06:28):
They voted it down. Now, why is that so noteworthy?

Speaker 16 (06:32):
Well, the bill was passed out of committee in the
Senate with broad bipartisan support, and yet the Democrats still
engaged in a stunt on the.

Speaker 17 (06:40):
Floor and they rejected it. So now they are on record.

Speaker 16 (06:44):
Specifically and exclusively to block the paychecks of the troops,
to block the funding of our national defense in a
very dangerous moment in world history.

Speaker 17 (06:55):
It is absurd to us leaders.

Speaker 16 (06:57):
Thune said this on the floor on the Senate floor
after the vote, he said, quote that one vote demonstrates
just how fundamentally disinterested Democrats are in supporting our troops
and providing for our common defense.

Speaker 17 (07:09):
Yes, that is exactly what we saw.

Speaker 16 (07:12):
And I suspect if they were here today and it
was on the floor, they'd do it once again.

Speaker 12 (07:17):
Now the House is still not even scheduled to come
back yet. House Minority Leader how Came Jefferies counters saying
most Democrats won't accept the deal that doesn't include meaningful
health care provisions, but they remain open to negotiation.

Speaker 18 (07:31):
We look forward to sitting down with anyone, anytime, any place,
either here at the Capitol or back at the White House,
to reopen the government, to enact the spending agreement that
actually makes life better for the American people, while also
addressing decisively the Republican healthcare crisis that continues to hurt

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everyday Americans all across the country. Every day that goes by,
there are people throughout America receiving notices that their healthcare premiums, copays,
and deductibles are about to skyrocket. In the district in
Upstate New York, the North Country currently represented by a

(08:15):
Lease Defonic, there are couples who currently pay about two
thousand dollars per year for their health insurance premiums because
they benefit from Affordable Care Act tax credits. When those
credits go away, that same couple will now pay more
than twenty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
They cannot afford that.

Speaker 18 (08:39):
These are working class Americans living paycheck to paycheck, struggling
to get by, can barely survive, yet alone thrive in
this country, and this is the wealthiest country in the
history of the world. So House and Senate Democrats are
going to continue to hold firm as it relates to

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a basic common sense position that when we enact spending bills,
we should be helping the American people, not hurting them.
And so we will not support a partisan Republican spending
bill that continues to gut the health care of the
American people. But we will continue to extend that offer

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to our Republican colleagues and to President Trump and members
of his administration. Let's sit down in good faith to
reopen the government, to stand by our hard working federal employees,
to enact a spending bill that actually improves the quality
of life of the American people, and to address the
healthcare crisis that Republicans have created devastating people all across

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the country, including in rural America, in black and brown
communities all throughout America, in urban America, in the heartland
of America, and in small town.

Speaker 12 (10:03):
Well The impact is spreading far beyond DC. Now protesters
are gearing up for this weekend second round of No
Kings rallies across the country, lasting Donald Trump shut down
in his recent immigration arrest. More than two thy five
hundred anti Trump protests are planned for tomorrow. That's about
four hundred and fifty more than we're planned in June,

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all across the United States of America. I want to
introduce our panel for tonight. We have Matt Manning, civil
rights attorney from Corpus Christi, Texas. Look, Matt, I know
that you had a lot to say to Roland about
last week's football game. I'm so sorry you'll have to
wait a little time before you guys can have that conversation,
but congrats on the win. We also have doctor Greg

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Carr from Howard University's Department of Afro American Studies. He's
here in studio, and Michael Emiltep, the hosts of the
African History Network show, joining us as from Detroit, Michigan. Matt,
let's start with you, can you break down really what's
going on here legally? When Congress doesn't pass budget, what
does that actually mean for the rest of us?

Speaker 10 (11:12):
Well, that's a good question. I think you know across
the board.

Speaker 19 (11:15):
What that means is a lot of the programs that
are normally funded or not funded, And as it relates
to people like myself who either practice law or have
a case. It's interesting we're talking about this today because
just today I got an email from one of the
federal district courts basically saying that it's extremely limited in
what it can do now because it's not funded. And
then I got further emails from assistant US attorneys with

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whom I have cases telling me that they cannot take
any actions on their cases because the government isn't funded.
So what this means is, I mean, practically, at least
in the legal context, you're not having all the things
that normally happen in a court continue to go on.
I know that the federal judiciary has some limited capacity
for now, but I mean it's really kind of a
major issue, of course, because not only are certain people

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not getting paid, I know that there are some agencies
that are exempted. I think the Treasury Department and some
others are continuing to have certain appropriations where they're staying open.
But what this means is that the government is not
functioning in the way the government is supposed to function.
And what this eleventh vote failing means is that the
partisanship in Congress is at the point that they can't

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even get anything done. And we talked about that the
last week, you know, really just we as citizens should
be infuriated that people in DC, whom we send there
to do their jobs, cannot do the basic job of
keeping the government open. And I think what this means
beyond all of that is things like food banks are
not getting the moneies that they need, other support programs
are not being funded in the way that is necessary

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for citizens to get their services.

Speaker 12 (12:48):
And Michael, how does this shut down fit into the
bigger history of how our government has treated black workers,
black families.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Well.

Speaker 11 (12:58):
As a reminded people last Friday, the last government shut
down happened under Donald Trump, and it was December eighteenth,
December twenty eighteen, in January twenty nineteen, and.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
It lasted thirty five days.

Speaker 11 (13:12):
And that government shut down was devastating for African Americans
that work for the federal government were basically nineteen percent
of the two point three million or maybe.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Two point two million now federal employees.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
So when you have people who are furloughed, and we
know early in this current shutdown at least seven hundred
and fifty thousand government employees were furloughed, which means that
they cannot work and they don't get paid. Then we
have people from TSA and other entities that have to

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still show.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Up the work and are not getting paid.

Speaker 11 (13:52):
So this will have a huge impact, a negative impact
on African American households. That's on top of the DOGE
cuts coming from Elon musk Okay that Donald Trump unleashed
on people. Because those DOGE cuts you all know, had
the devastating impact on African Americans in Washington, d C.

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And the Washington DC area. We saw a number of
houses going on be put on the market, things of
this nature. And it's important for people to really understand
that eighty five percent of government employees live outside of
the Washington DC area. They live all across the country.
So yes, this is having a devastating impact on the

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African American community. But if the American care at subsidies
and as they're supposed to at the end of this year,
and they don't and Democrats Republicans don't fix that, that's
going to have a devastating impact. And we know it's
estimate that that eleven point eight million people are going

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to lose at least eleven point eight me and they're
going to lose healthcare. So we're looking at short term
pain to try to stave off this long term healthcare
cliff that also affects affordability.

Speaker 12 (15:09):
And doctor Carr, let's bring you in. How does this
government shut down make us look to the world globally? Well?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
The United States has lost the world pr battle. All
you got to do is read any of the foreign
papers and see the workarounds that are being put in place.
Brazil reaching out to Nigeria for new billion dollar deals, China.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And everybody's embassy proposing deals. You see that.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think the story, this story particularly hinges around a
purebred liar named Mike Johnson, a Maga muppet in fact,
who is taking his orders from the President of the
United States. It's not about paying and not paying the troops.
This is about the expansion of president's authority. Donald Trump,
who doesn't remember much of these days, but when you
hear him talk about constitutions law, he keeps repeating what's
been put into his ear by a little nasty piece

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of work at the Office of Management and Budget named Russell.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Vote Article two, Article twoticle two.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
They have this expanded theory of the presidency the executive branch,
and under that that's what they're proposing to pay these
troops with the memorandum that Trump put out there before yesterday.
This memorandum is written by Russell Vote. It's two pete
hexas at the Pentagon and it's from the director of
the Office of Management and Budget. Trump's not running the gun,

(16:21):
he's just repeating what they're telling him do. So when
the Democrats voted against it, it's because they're not voting
against paying the troops. What they're voting against is you
can't expand presidential authority. The Constitution gives the power to
purse exclusively to Congress. So this is what this is
really about. And so when the Maga muppet gets up
in line, by the way, mister congressman, it'd be very
nice day, and then a nice day to swearing Grovova

(16:41):
release the f Stein file.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
You don't want to swear her in. She's an electric conressman.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
All this is really about something else, and he's trying
to make it look like it's the Democrats versus now
the troops, and that's just.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
The bold face life.

Speaker 12 (16:53):
Do you think it's possible that lawmakers should or could
face any type of penalties for what's happening.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Absolutely, Because we live in a idiocracy. People will actually
listen to that food and think that's what's happening, and
so they'll say.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Why are y'all against the troops?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So they could absolutely flace bull black.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And that's why I hope that the Democrats in the
Senate voted to advance this because they're afraid of blowback,
and not because they don't understand that this is about
something very different. It's about expanding this presidency beyond the
scope that has ever been seen in this country.

Speaker 12 (17:24):
Matt, I want to ask you, how does this shut down?
How does it impact our courts, housing, and other civil
rights cases? Can you talk to us in detail about
some of those cases.

Speaker 10 (17:35):
Yeah, and that's a great question. I actually don't know
the answer.

Speaker 19 (17:38):
I mean, I think what's going to happen, like I
was saying, is a couple hours before we came on
the air, I got an email from the Northern District
of Texas and they indicated they're that the court is
going to continue to hear things, so I think, especially
with criminal matters, the court will.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
Still be open.

Speaker 19 (17:52):
But as it relates to what even lawyers for the
United States are able to do, it's severely limited. Like
I mentioned, and I have a couple cases right now
against the United States where the government is a defendant,
and the attorneys reached out to me weeks ago and said, hey,
we're not going to have money to do our jobs.
We don't have support staff. If you file something, I
can't respond to it. So I've got to ask that

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the court stays the case. And you know, we already
have a DOJ that is not enforcing civil rights laws,
in fact, is trying to find a way to flip
the script and enforce them for white people.

Speaker 10 (18:24):
Right.

Speaker 19 (18:24):
But what this means is anybody who is required to
have the government plead their case, maybe somebody, for instance,
who is a victim in a criminal case and they
have immigration matters incidental to their involvement as a witness
in a criminal case. I mean it may be that
they're not having a visa process, that they're not being
protected the same way any incidental hearings to their safety

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or not being held or maybe being held in a
longer timeframe then they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So.

Speaker 19 (18:52):
I don't know the answer on the ground on what
that's going to affect, but I will tell you my
own practice, it's already been affected because my cases are
on hold because the United States cannot pay the lawyers
that represents it.

Speaker 12 (19:05):
And to everyone, what are you guys hearing from people
about how they're getting by while still waiting for Congress
to act? Who's that question for anyone? I mean, really,
what does the shutdown mean for the single mom working
for the federal government or the family waiting for benefits
to come through? How are they getting by?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Probably relying upon family? I have not seen.

Speaker 11 (19:32):
So I'm here in Detroit, Okay, and I have a
large social media platform, but I have it. But the
overwhelming majority of the responses I've seen on social media
is from African Americans, is that they support the government's
shut down. Now, as far as government employees things like that,

(19:53):
they're probably you know, relying upon family, tapping into what.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Little savings they have. I haven't seen.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
I remember in the last government shut down, people having
a call off from work, like working for the TSA.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
They couldn't afford gas to go back and forth to work.
Things like that.

Speaker 11 (20:12):
So I think as this goes on, you'll hear more
stories like that, people trying to pay for childcare, can't
pay for childcare, et cetera. But haven't I haven't had people,
and I know government employees, I haven't had people tell
me about it.

Speaker 20 (20:27):
Now.

Speaker 11 (20:28):
I know congressional staffers. It's hard for them, but it
hasn't gotten to the point where it was during the
thirty five.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Days government shutting down.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
From the I'm here, Yeah, I think that's true. But
I also think that there you know, we know this
because we're in the area. There are two kind of
broad categories for federal workers. That's really impacting us. You
got those folks who are there from whom maybe this
is a second job. They've been military retireedy came back.
They're kind of in a position, some of them talking
about retirement. If they've been in the federal government twenty
thirty years, then they're the group that just came in

(20:58):
five years. Maybe the at Max they're looking for jobs.
I think the biggest kind of retirement we saw this
week is at Mojosey. He's over the Southern Command in
the Caribbean Sea. And he's like, I mean, we don't
know why, but I can imagine he's like, we're not
just coming out here killing people in the Caribbean Sea
claiming Claytion terrorists. But this man did thirty seven years
in the military, so him stepping out, it might even

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be raised people. That's solid security with his benefits and
with his federal paycheck.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So there's that group. I think they're fine.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
I think we're probably all more concerned about those younger folk,
those transient folks, the people who operate around the periphery
of the federal government, whether it's selling eggs and cheeses
or whatever they're selling at the Delhi's or the little shops,
or the people clean up in the buildings, and what
are they doing.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you know, I think that's probably the two category.

Speaker 12 (21:46):
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Speaker 21 (22:22):
Said the quiet part out loud. Black votes are a threat,
so they erased them. After the Supreme Court gutted the
Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican legislatures moved fast
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They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ backed Ohio's
voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased Black voters.
Their goal erased black votes and political power.

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Speaker 12 (23:41):
Welcome back to twice impeach. Criminally convicted felon in chief,
Donald Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, pleaded not
guilty today to eighteen counts of mishandling classified information in
a Maryland federal court. Prosecutors alleged that Bolton emailed over
a thousand pages of sensitive material, including top secret national

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security details, the family members, and kept classified documents at
his home. Bolton, a frequent critic of Trump since he
left the administration, claims that he is being targeted as
part of Trump's campaign to intimidate his opponents. His attorney
argues that the facts of the case were investigated years

(24:25):
ago and that Bolton did not act unlawfully. If convicted,
Bolton could face up to ten years in prison for
each charge, and this marks the latest indictment involving prominent
adversaries of Trump. Let's bring our panel back into the conversation.
I want to start with, Matt. Can you help us
understand what exactly are the legal consequences of these kind

(24:48):
of charges?

Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yeah, well, I think you said it perfectly.

Speaker 19 (24:53):
I mean, obviously he's looking at potential prison time, and
I'll tell you that this is a really frightening charge
for a couple reasons.

Speaker 10 (25:01):
First, I haven't read every word of the indictment.

Speaker 19 (25:03):
I've read part of it, but my understanding is, mister
Bolton met with the FBI eight times. I have never
had a case where my client has met with law enforcement.
I mean, I generally don't have a meet with law
enforcement unless it makes sense to write. But meeting with
them eight times is really a major issue to me
because it stands to reason then that the Federal Bureau

(25:25):
of Investigation did not find any reason to charge John
Bolton until now. I think basically what I'm getting at
is it really calls.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
Into question the timing of this indictment.

Speaker 19 (25:35):
And I really am interested in seeing who Individual one
and Individual two, whom he allegedly sent this information are.

Speaker 10 (25:41):
Because I don't work in this.

Speaker 19 (25:43):
Space, I don't know the custom but it wouldn't be
surprising if this were somebody that either was a very
high level consultant somebody with very high level of security clearances,
because you would imagine somebody with this kind of security
is not going to be sending this kind of information
to your average person, presumably right. So I'm wondering if
part of the defense is that he's got a shield

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in whom he sent it to, or it wasn't actually
sent to them because it was a contemporaneous distillation of
what he was doing, rather than the actual documents. I
think once we see with greater specificity how exactly the
government is saying he did this, that'd be important. But
the last thing is there's a difference between a transmission
of information and retention of information. So my understanding is

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the retention in this situation is kind of what mister
Trump was alleged to have done before with documents at
mar A Lago, keeping documents he wasn't supposed to keep,
as opposed to disseminating documents. And I think the evidence
is going to be very important to see what exactly
mister Bolton was alleged to have done with respect to
both buckets of claims and mad.

Speaker 12 (26:49):
If this were an everyday government worker accused of mishandling
classified information, do you think the outcome would look different.

Speaker 10 (26:58):
That's an interesting question.

Speaker 19 (26:59):
So I think if it's a regular worker who hasn't
met with the FBI eight times, yeah, maybe they do
charge this person, But does the general public ever find
out about that indictment.

Speaker 23 (27:10):
No?

Speaker 19 (27:10):
Does the President and his maga muppets, as the esteem
doctor Carson, you know, go across the country and talk
about how he's out to get his enemies without saying
it brazenly. No, because this kind of thing probably happens,
has happened, and there probably been a myriad of accusations
against different people over the years for this exact crime.
But what is odd about this to me is somebody

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who is in the position of National security advisor or
anything up at that top echelon of government, they know
how this works. So to me, it seems kind of
per se hard to imagine that someone with this long
government history would do something foolhardy. I mean, I suppose
anything can happen, but it seems to me there's a
lot more to this story, and we haven't heard it
yet because all we hear is the accusations.

Speaker 12 (27:55):
Michael, what type of message does send to the public
about who gets punished and who does.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Well.

Speaker 11 (28:02):
The message that it sends is that Donald Trump is
carrying out his enemies list and he's fulfilling a campaign promise.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
So he's going after when after Letitia.

Speaker 11 (28:14):
James, He's going after went after James Coney indicted, going
after John Bolton.

Speaker 12 (28:21):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (28:21):
And this is somebody you know who served in the
previous Trump administration as its national security advisor, but has
been a virulent critic of Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
So he's getting this backlash.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
This this this indictment on eighteen counts of violation of
the espionage jack It does follow like a traditional investigation
and prosecution, but it still has a stench of retribution.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Okay, so we'll have to see how this plays out.

Speaker 11 (28:57):
We do know that this was investigator under the Biden
administration and Chargers would not draw, So we'll see what
happens with this. But you know, at the same time,
you know the echo Matt somebody who is John Bolton,
somebody who is such a former national security advisor, someone

(29:22):
who understands how to handle classified documents. I would be
surprised if he was like this careless. If all of
these allegations proved to be true in court.

Speaker 12 (29:36):
And doctor Carr from a national security standpoint, how serious
is it when a former advisor is accused of mishandling
classified documents.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
It's very serious of course, of course, this is very unserious.
Like Mike said, this ain't no but a retribution attempt.
As Mike said, remember John Bolton published his memoir of
the room where it happened. And let me be very clear,
John Bolton is an open enemy or comed humanity. He
is always he's a warmonger. This isn't about that. We
have separated those two things Trump and then lost then
investigation of him in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
But you know what stopped him was we did.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
He lost the election, binding them, as Mike said, went
through and said there's nothing here. So they're bringing that
back again. And as Matt said, I mean he was
not charged with obstruction. He charged with transmission, which is yeah,
that's very serious. You would think nobody should be transmitting
things over social media weight the Secretary of Defense. So

(30:30):
I guess if you're Pete hexith on signal, it's okay.
But if you're John Bolton, somehow it's not an obstruction.
Of course, Trump wasn't giving that stuff up in Marie
Lago in his bathroom. And if you're him, this Preme
Court has given him a pass. This is not a
serious thing. This is a retribution thing. And at the
end of the day, this is probably going to have
to be solved in the ballot box. I doubt very
seriously the courts, however, we're going to let him get

(30:51):
away with this. I don't see him getting convicted.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Well. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, a new report
is sounding the alarm about the growing effort to embrace
and to store black history, health and progress. We break
it all down, the Blackout Report. That's next on Roland
Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 20 (31:12):
If in this country right now, you have people get
up in the morning and the only thing they can
think about is how many people they can hurt, and
they've got the power, that's the time for morning.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
For better or worse.

Speaker 24 (31:24):
What makes America special, it's that legal system that's supposed
to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
So we are at a point of a moral emergency.

Speaker 25 (31:37):
We must raise a voice of outrage, we must raise
a voice of compassion.

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And we must raise a voice of unity.

Speaker 20 (31:48):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.
We are in a crisis of civilization, a humans rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
And guess what you been.

Speaker 20 (32:00):
Chosen to make sure that those that would destroy, those
that would hate, don't have the final say and they
don't ultimately win.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
Hey, yo, what's up is mister Dalvin right here?

Speaker 21 (32:14):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Missus kc Sen?

Speaker 25 (32:16):
There representatives a Odeciardist, Jodasy right here on rolland mardin unfiltered.

Speaker 12 (32:27):
Well. A new report from Onyx Impact is sounding the alarm,
saying there's a nationwide effort to erase and twist black history, health, education,
and even our economic progress. In just the first eight
months of twenty twenty five, investigators found over fifteen thousand,
almost sixteen thousand incidents from data disappearing and budgets getting

(32:48):
slashed to pressure on people and institutions to just stay quiet.
All about three point four billion dollars in grants and
research for black communities, entrepreneurs, and even HBCUs have been
slashed on Impact. Founder osa Osa joins us now to
explain their findings. Now, one hundred and fifty five thousand

(33:10):
incidents within just eight months, what kinds of actions are
we talking about?

Speaker 26 (33:16):
Absolutely, assa Osa, as a founder of Onyx Impact, what
we are I think you laid that out so wonderfully.
What We're what've seen happen in this country this year
is outrageous, right, And the Blackout Report BIONICS impact is
by far the most comprehensive analysis that has been done
this year on what this attack has meant for black communities.

(33:39):
Were our three point four billion dollars is such a
large number, but what that actually means, Right, We're talking
about seventy million dollars in grants that are supposed to
prevent Katrina like flooding in black communities.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
Right.

Speaker 26 (33:54):
We're talking about thirty one million dollars in cuts that
are supposed to address as rates and air pollution and
communities where black kids have higher rates of lung conditions
because of the neighborhoods that they grow up. And we're
talking about ten nearly ten million dollars cut in sickle

(34:15):
cell grants for this country. My little brother suffers from
sickle cell disease. Right, And to the idea of saying
of using this smoke screen of d of the term
DEI as a rational to eliminate needed funding and rare

(34:38):
diseases that disproportionately impact black communities, right, is unacceptable and
needs to be called out. And that's why we release
this report, so.

Speaker 12 (34:49):
I'm rereading here. It says that there's three disinformation tactics
to erase, distort, and suppressed. Can you go into detail
about that?

Speaker 26 (34:57):
Yes, absolutely, we go through UH you know, so much
of this UH strategy is is again cloaked in disinformation.
Their real strategy again this attack using attacks on DEI
as as a smoke screen. So we eraise black power
UH and control and gain illegitimate power and control right

(35:20):
across across the country. And so we wanted to give
folks a framework for how to think about this.

Speaker 23 (35:25):
Uh.

Speaker 26 (35:25):
We see efforts to UH erase our history and our
data right, everything from deleting things on websites to black
book bands, to restricting what students can learn, restrict restricting
knowledge in America to uh uh distortion, hiding and deleting

(35:49):
whole data sets of information of black folks right, and
and UH suppressing. Make this this mass chilling effect that
we have seen revert our around not just media but education.
With the level of capitulation that we have seen in
just a few months from the from the institutions that
are supposed to uphold and UH be the driving forces

(36:13):
of American democracy, have all we've seen so many of
them cripple and fall when it comes to protecting black communities.
And so by by using this framework, we wanted to
make it extremely clear, UH that what these tactics are,
how we should be talking about these tactics instead of
you know, debating a term, we need to call out

(36:35):
the underlying strategy because when they erase the data, they
hide the proof and then they can prevent the remedy.

Speaker 12 (36:43):
I want you to explain exactly on impact and what
it is that that you guys do.

Speaker 26 (36:50):
Yes, on ex impact, we are a research and digital
innovation hub that is focused on UH amplifying black voices,
fighting information threats that harm black communities, and empowering UH
black communities into into the future. So we do both
research and programming and really are about uplifting truth and

(37:16):
UH black voices moving forward.

Speaker 12 (37:20):
You know in your research and you know stories we've covered.
We've seen books banned, de I offices, cuts and history
lessons just watered down. So from your research, do you
expect this to get worse?

Speaker 27 (37:34):
We expected.

Speaker 26 (37:38):
We expect it to get worse because it is their
stated UH strategy, right, this is UH and and we
are one research team, right, They are an entire federal
government that is doing this every single day, and that
the effects on the state and local level every single

(37:59):
day are are so are so profound, and so while
so many folks are paying attention to UH a cultural war,
nonsense right there. This is not a culture war, is
a power craph and they are wreaking havoc on black
communities to an extent that we have not seen since reconstruction.

Speaker 12 (38:23):
What do you think people can do this start fighting back?

Speaker 26 (38:26):
Well, first, we've got to make sure that we understand
what is going on there.

Speaker 11 (38:34):
They are.

Speaker 26 (38:36):
We cannot respond to a bad faith argument with good
faith answers and facts. We have to understand that this
that they are using this term DEI as a smoke
screen to erase black power, to to seize illegitimate control
UH and call out those tactics as when they come

(38:58):
up cut out those taxes and then and when they
need proof and evidence. That's where this report comes in.
We have fifteen thousand, seven hundred and twenty three distinct
examples of harm to black communities perpetrated by this disinformation campaign.
So folks can can use this report understand the tactics.

(39:19):
We submit more evidence via the website Blackoutreport dot org
and make sure that they are speaking out in their
communities to push back against this not just the rise
of authoritarianism, but how it is affecting black communities, specifically,
how it's affecting our jobs, our wealth, are our opportunity. Right,

(39:42):
this is not just about rewriting the past. It is
about shaping who has power as resources and visibility in
not just America today but into the future.

Speaker 12 (39:57):
Let's bring in our panel. Let's bring in Matt Manning
and doctor Greg Carr, and also Michael. Matt. Let's just
start with you. When you hear that more than fifteen
thousand incidents of data erasure and censorship have been found
in just eight months. You know, what's your response, I
legally to that.

Speaker 19 (40:15):
I mean, my response to that is it's abhorrent that
you're trying to remove history in such an important history
here in the United States. But what I wanted to
ask is also that I think is really a brilliant thing.
I saw your methodology, It makes perfect sense to me.
But I'm interested in seeing what you think that means
for a larger kind of phenomenon outside of the things

(40:37):
that are not represented in your data set. And the
reason I'm asking is on the local level where I live,
they've been fighting book bands forever. That might not be
represented in every little city, every little county, but I'm
seeing it, you know when I look in the newspaper,
that there's mothers against liberty, fighting book bands and trying
to stack the deck with the board and that kind
of thing. So I'm interested in your thoughts on how

(40:59):
you can extrap late from the data you got what
you think those phenomena are looking like on an even
lower level, the local, city, county levels.

Speaker 26 (41:08):
Yes, absolutely, I think you know, we included uh as
much as much state and local data as we could,
but knowing that so much is dependent on what is
reported and whether or not people recognize and understand what
these what these tactics are right, because they are not

(41:29):
going in there and saying, hey, we would like to
remove all the books by black authors. But that is
what is that is what is the result of these
of these actions, and think about what the real fear
has to be to decide that restricting knowledge about black

(41:51):
history is the best way to move to educate our children?

Speaker 20 (42:00):
Right?

Speaker 26 (42:00):
What that what what is that going to mean? And
look like and so I think when we extrapolate this
uh on the onto the state and local level, what
we see is it actually being able to happen more quickly, right.

Speaker 20 (42:17):
Uh.

Speaker 26 (42:18):
And and at a to your point, taking strategies we've
seen happen for a very long time that just get
hyper fueled by a broader federal administration, right, that is
that is pushing being such large proponents of these actions.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
If you'd indulged, Can I ask one more question?

Speaker 12 (42:42):
Of course?

Speaker 10 (42:44):
Okay, sorry, very quickly.

Speaker 19 (42:46):
So is your data something that can be searchable by
state or by locality so that people can see precisely
what kind of grants you found were applied for other
things in their specific area and try to push back.

Speaker 26 (43:01):
So there is so some of the data, uh is
definitely searchable bye bye by state. You can when you
go to blackoutreport dot org or you know, you can
go to our websitonic impact dot org. It will take
you straight to the report.

Speaker 11 (43:14):
Uh.

Speaker 26 (43:14):
There are plenty of links to the to the actual
data set where we break all of this, break all
of this down, and so the the grant cuts and things.
Absolutely you can see exactly where those are in the database.
But UH, you know, broader uh general book bands, things

(43:36):
that are not necessarily state specific will not have a
specific state next to it, But we try to We're
trying to provide as much data, as much data as possible,
even though, thank you, apparently only one pride.

Speaker 12 (43:50):
Is doctor Carr. What's your response to the report?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Oh, thank you, Thank you for that, Brittany, and as
good as seeing ancestors, so so thank you for the
work that you all are doing. Of the two areas,
the data, of course probably should be as you are
walking explaining us. Probably the most concerning we saw that
they got rid of the sister Carl Hayden who headed
the Library of Congress, replaced her with a hack tied Blanche.

(44:16):
I think that's Trump's lawyer, the one who went down
and met with Maxwell. But the Library Carereents controls the
copyright office. I've had a lot of colleagues being concerned
about AI and then now having access to that and
training AI on data that they can just maybe figure
out how to get access to in the Library of Congress.
In your report, and here here's where my question comes.
I thought it was very astute in the what's next

(44:38):
section raise public awareness, which of course you're doing right
now identifying report when you see these things, kind of
following what Matt was raising in terms of if you
see it, report and y'all got a nice mechanism for
reporting there to ONYX and those accountability standards thought was
very important hold this mass news commercial media responsible. I

(44:58):
want to ask you about how we can fight back
by continuing to do what we've always done in terms
of supporting our institutions, our HBCUs, our community gathering, our
community stories, not so much protecting the data, but kind
of doing what we did during segregation. You know, when
you think about Black History Month, they the black the
black K twelve schools did it all the time. We

(45:21):
saw Mackenzie Scott gave sixty three million dollars today to
Morgan State and to the Black Preservation Trust to kind
of support that, and the University of Virginia became a
fifth school today to tell Trump we're not signing a compact,
my friend. How important is it for us to support
those institutions that are doing this work despite this kind
of attempt to colonize information, colonize memory, colonized data.

Speaker 26 (45:46):
I think that that's such a powerful point and question
because that is the only way that we have seen
any of this work. Right, That is the only way
that we have seen effective pushback in not just our
own country's history of the liberal governments being uh brought

(46:07):
to power, but in other countries as well. We have
to uh. They are going to to to mercilessly attack
our institutions.

Speaker 28 (46:17):
Right.

Speaker 26 (46:17):
That is not only how they destroy our our history,
but they destroy our access to power. They will destroy
our our ability to what they what they believe is
our ability to to to uh to to organize.

Speaker 12 (46:34):
Right.

Speaker 26 (46:35):
But we have seen over and over and over again
that black folks UH can can come together, can can
support our institutions, you know, UH by our by ourselves. Right,
We've been able to UH over and over and over
again show the power, the strength, the resilience necessary to

(46:58):
to uh uh pushed back in a very successful manner.
And so regardless of how many books they uh authors
black authors they ban, regardless of how many data sets
they delease like they erase, Black excellence is unraceable.

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Speaker 12 (49:11):
Welcome back. I want to thank miss Osa for joining
us and for explaining the research about blackout the real
world costs of e racing distorting and suppressing black progress.
I want to continue talking with the panel about what
this report shows. Michael, if you don't mind, what kind
of long term harm does this create when accurate data

(49:35):
about black communities disappears?

Speaker 11 (49:39):
All right, and I'm gonna have to get Osa Esosa
on the Africanhi History Network show as well to dig
deep into this.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
But this is devastating.

Speaker 20 (49:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I've been the work that I do.

Speaker 11 (49:51):
I have been warning African Americans, specifically about Project twenty
twenty five going back to twenty twenty three, and these
attacks that she enumerated here are laid out in Project
twenty twenty five. So when we talk about the attacks
on diversity, equity, and inclusion, a lot of times African
Americans will retort with an article from Black Enterprise magazine

(50:15):
saying that African Americans only got four percent of the
DEI jobs.

Speaker 9 (50:19):
But you don't understand how this impacts.

Speaker 11 (50:21):
Programs here on rolland Martin and Filter, we talked about
there's a thirty.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Seven billion dollar minority.

Speaker 11 (50:30):
Program for business owners and how African Americans were getting
even a small part of that.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
But that's been wiped out.

Speaker 11 (50:38):
When we look at this, we saw the Environmental Protection
Agency cut out one point seven billion dollars in grants.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Many of those grants.

Speaker 11 (50:46):
Were benefiting the African American community dealing with climate change
things of this nature. They keep using DEI as the
reason to eliminate these grants. They say that they're discriminating
against white people.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
No court has.

Speaker 11 (51:01):
Ruled the DEI is illegal, so but one of the
excuses that they say is that it doesn't fall in
line with the Trump administration.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Right.

Speaker 11 (51:10):
We saw that on day one in office, after Donald
Trump got a Negro preacher from Detroit right to Mango
doctor King's I have a Dream speech, Donald Trump revoked Executive.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
Order thirteen thirteen, nine eighty five I think it.

Speaker 11 (51:27):
Was, and this was from Biden Harris, which laid the
foundation for equity in the federal government in the Biden
Harris administration.

Speaker 9 (51:36):
Right, so we see a total reversal of these programs.

Speaker 11 (51:40):
And another thing that they use is the Supreme Court
ruling from twenty twenty three that dealt with affirmative action
and college admissions.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Okay, so, on Donald.

Speaker 11 (51:52):
Trump's second day in office, he revoked Executive Order eleven
two four six, which was affirmative action signed.

Speaker 9 (52:00):
In the law by President Lyndon Baines Johnson in nineteen
sixty five.

Speaker 11 (52:04):
As racist as Ronald Reagan was, he didn't revoked that
executive order, but Donald Trump did it his second day
in office.

Speaker 20 (52:10):
So as.

Speaker 11 (52:13):
As a Nicole Hannah Jones, who spearheaded the sixteen nineteen project,
she wrote an in depth piece for The New York
Times back in June twenty twenty five called how Trump
up ended sixty years of civil rights in two months.
They basically wiped out sixty years of civil rights progress
as well as social justice progress right in the past

(52:35):
few months. But all this is laid out of Project
twenty twenty five. So one of the things that we
have to do is have a deep dive into how
is it that they put this nine hundred and twenty
two page document in print, sold it, disseminated it. But
so many African Americans were dumbfounded and caught flat footed.

Speaker 8 (52:57):
We have they this.

Speaker 11 (53:00):
What a lot of people don't understand is that the
Heritage Foundation has been putting out their policy playbook called
Mandate for Leadership, the Conservative Promise for over forty years,
going back to nineteen eighty one during the first Reagan administration,
and they put it out each election site.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
Project twenty twenty five was.

Speaker 11 (53:18):
The latest version of Mandate for Leadership, the Conservative Promise.

Speaker 9 (53:23):
You have to understand how long these people have been
planning something like this.

Speaker 11 (53:26):
And going back to the previous segment when doctor Greg
Karr was talking about expanding presidential powers. That's the unitarian
executive theory that Russell Vault expounds on and pushes. And
Russell Vault is the architect of Project twenty twenty five.
He served as the unbuszman in the first Trump administration.

(53:48):
All this stuff was planned. So when we have black
social media disinformation agents lying to our.

Speaker 24 (53:54):
People, when we have all these black people walking around
with a smartphone but done whatever, we have to do
it deep analysis on how to hell did they play
in our face, lie to us say Trump didn't know
anything about it?

Speaker 9 (54:06):
And forty eight percent of Project.

Speaker 11 (54:08):
Twenty twenty five has been put in place in the
past nine months based upon the Project twenty twenty five track.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Doctor Client, I mean everything might say it tracks. I
mean it's it's instant. It's an interesting line in Onyx report.
And of course, as we know here, this is the
second major report that also and her team have put together.
One was on disinformation, which we should have been paying
a whole lot more attention to given the fact that
we end up with this guy back in the White House.

(54:38):
But they write in the report, this is not a
culture war, it's a disinformation fuel power grab.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
If allowed to continue.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Unchecked, it threatens every American's access to the truth today
and the equitable possibilities in the future. What they really
are trying to do is displace the concept of truth
and facts. And once you do that, all bets are off.
This is the constant lives I stopped seven wars or
eight wars. You're doing bed the tariffs a big money.
This is our money we're talking about. So what it

(55:08):
is is a paragraph to capture the state. They don't
want to destroy the state. They want to run it.
Take our tax money away from us, give it to
who they want. They're billionaire friends mostly and then we
when we want to do something for ourselves. Remember the
sisters in the field Is Fund, the Fields's Fund was
giving our money. They went to court sue them. They
settled before they could finish. This is where I would say,
we have to move in this way. As we were

(55:30):
talking with her, we got to support our institutions. These
companies aren't advertising with the Blackstar Network. We support the
Black Star Network. We continue to fight that truth, Larry Elson.
Them trying to buy Warner, trying to buy CNN, and
trying to buy HBO, making an overture with Alphabet and
Google through buying social media.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
Guess what, TikTok.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
That's all right, we have institutions. We can fund our institutions.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
We got to fight them over this battle for truth
because if they get rid of the concept of truth
and what they're doing right now, remember all best to
offer everybody in this country.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
Matt, do you have any advice for people and organizations
who would like to take legal action?

Speaker 28 (56:13):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (56:14):
An interesting question.

Speaker 19 (56:15):
So let me first say that I'm so glad Doc
mentioned about truth and the loss of truth, because that's
been one of my big concerns with AI and I
think that AI and just our general loss of understanding
and what is truthful and what is not it's just
going to be exacerbated as we go forward.

Speaker 10 (56:33):
So one of the things I would say outside of
the legal realm is just be.

Speaker 19 (56:36):
Discerning critically, you know, think critically about what you're seeing
and whether that information actually tracks embedded And I guess
to that second your actual question, I don't I don't know.
I don't know first what the Supreme Court is going
to do, because the Supreme Court is just rubber stamping
everything we see come out of the White House these days,
and that's extremely problematic, right, And I say, you know,

(56:57):
if you were to bring an equal protection claim or
some claim predicated on the idea that people in certain
communities that are non white have the same access to
government funds, like doctor Carr said, that's our money, right,
our money that should be going to ASTHMA programs or
sickle cell programs, and especially sickle cell because as the

(57:17):
ONYX report indicated, ninety percent of the people affected by
the loss of money are black people. So that is
functionally taking away money from black people as a discrete group, right,
And if you compare that to maybe Jewish people or
people that carry other genes that are highly prevalent in
their particular ethnic group. If those maladies, like the brack

(57:38):
of gene, for instance, are funded fully, then you might
have a Fourteenth Amendment claim where you say, as a
black person with sickle cell, I'm being divested of my
opportunity to seek government funds that affect my ability to
be healthy. I think there's going to obviously be a
lot of different permutations, but I can envision it that
way because what it comes down to is we should

(57:59):
be able to be fully present and fully active in
the society and take benefit of all the things that
are supposed to be there for us to avail ourselves of.
And if this government is actively taking away money from
black people and programs that not only environmentally and incidentally
affect black people, but like sickle cell, affect us ninety percent,

(58:20):
then that is proof positive that they're intending to give
us a different ability to participate as citizens than other
groups of people. And I think there may be a
legal basis there, but that's all predicated on the federal
appellate courts the Supreme Court doing the right thing and
finding that this is discriminatory, and I don't know that
we can trust them these days to do that.

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Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
Well Mississippi officials decide a UK company can release more
emissions into the air. Many people in the hospitality state
are calling this another example of environmental injustice. Cristal Martin
from the Greater Greener Gloucester Project will join us today
and she's telling us more about what she has found

(01:01:23):
out there. On Wednesday, the Mississippi Department of Environmental Quality
reversed its earlier decision and approve UK spased DRACS requests
to request and increase emissions at its wood pellet plant
in Gloucester, Mississippi. It's located about one hundred and twelve
miles west of Hattiesburg. Well people there in Gloucester have
long voice concerns that allowing the wood plan to increase

(01:01:46):
emissions would lead to higher levels of toxic emissions and
greater health risks. The company has a documented history of
environmental violations, and just six months ago, the NDEQ permit
Board took the rare step of denying the company's requests
to expand pollution levels. After Wednesday's decision, a group of
Gloucester residents have filed a federal lawsuit against Drag's Biomass

(01:02:11):
and its subsidiaries. The laws through the legends that the
companies a might bio Energy Wood Pellet facility has for
nearly a decade unlawfully released massive amounts of toxic pollutants
into its community, violating the Federal Clean Air Act and
Mississippi law. Crystal Martin from the Greater Greener Gloucester Project

(01:02:31):
joins us right now here on Roland Martin unfiltered Chris,
So we want to welcome you back to the show.
For those who do not know, can you start by
explaining what exactly DRAX does and what this plant in
Gloucester produces.

Speaker 29 (01:02:46):
Yes, so, drect they manufactured was called wood pellets. These
wood pellets are being manufactured in the US South, their
only manufacturer in the US South. The wood pellets are
manufactured here and then they are shipped back to the
UK where they use them as what they call a

(01:03:08):
renewable source of energy. Right, they use them for electricity.
It's the manufacturing process that's harmful to health, It's harmful
to our environment.

Speaker 12 (01:03:21):
And tell us what does it mean that Mississippi officials
have now approved Dractson's request to increase emissions.

Speaker 29 (01:03:32):
Wow, that's unheard of. You know, six months ago we
were there with MDQ. They made the decision to deny
the permit, and we're trying to figure out what happened.
Did something drastic happen six months down the road that
made them reverse their decision. I've been sharing with my community.

(01:03:54):
One of the things that I've seen is Drafts has
definitely done a marketing stunt and they've been making sure
that they announced how much money they invested into the
state of Mississippi. Like every day on social media they
have been announcing the amount of money they put into

(01:04:14):
the state, the amount of money they put into any county,
the amount of money that they've invested into. Well, they
say they invested into twenty non profits right in Glouceston, Mississippi.
And so it's to me, it's been a way to say,
like it's a tactic they've been using to say.

Speaker 31 (01:04:35):
We've already bought this decision.

Speaker 12 (01:04:42):
And tell us do you know exactly what they're being
allowed to release more of?

Speaker 29 (01:04:49):
So we have VOC's particular matter PM two point five.
There's FORMALD for malde high acroleine, methanol different hazardous air pollutants,
and those hazardous air pollutants are causing harm to our health,
a lot of breathing issues, upper respiratory issues. People in

(01:05:12):
our community have died from lung cancer. People are living
with type three lung disease black lungs. So these hazardous
pollutants are causing a lot of health concerns.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
Yes, ma'am, how did your organization, the Greater Greener Gloucester Project,
first get involved with this issue?

Speaker 29 (01:05:36):
We got involved years ago when we first saw that
Drax was fined two point five million dollars for emitting
hazardous air pollution. As a result, there were a number
of people in the community who were complaining about upper
respiratory issues. We started with my mom being admitted to

(01:05:58):
the hospital on multiple occasions for breathing issues, and she
was wondering could this be the reason why she was
in and out of the hospital. So we just started
to connect the dots and do research. We started meeting
with the EPA Region four being educated on what was

(01:06:19):
happening in our community. They were teaching us about the
VOCs and the PM two point five. They taught us
a lot about the hazardous air pollutes and we learned
how those different pollutants were causing dizziness, nose bleeds, upper
respiratory issues. So again, we just started connecting the dots

(01:06:42):
and from one conversation to the next conversation, we started
to organize. We wanted to ask questions, we wanted to
educate our community, and we wanted people to really make
the best informed decision about what was happening to them.
There's one family in the community where four people died

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within a matter of three or four months, that's not normal.
And when you're in a small community and the conversation
every day is about who has COPD and who's taking nepalizers,
and who's having asthma, you know, whose child is on
a breathing machine. Those conversations to me are not normal.

(01:07:28):
And so we knew we needed to organize, We needed
to make sure our community.

Speaker 31 (01:07:34):
Was aware of what's going on. And here we are today.

Speaker 12 (01:07:41):
Let's bring in our panel again, Matt Michael, doctor Carr,
Doctor carlt to start with you, what comes to your
mind when you hear about folks in Mississippi being sick
by these pollutants releasing the air.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Well it seems like same old story, Louisiana cancer. Ally,
we think about the work of Robert Bullard out of Texas,
Southern environmental racism.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
This is what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
And of course, now you combine that with capitalism. Hard
capitalists make this money. You see the conflict, Doctor Martin,
and I've been sitting here and joying this conversation between
two swax sisters. I understand you are a three time
graduate of Jackson State University.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Now that you're gonna hold that against it, this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Is an all corns system talking to you right now anyway,
holding it down tonight. But this I'm saying, yall, Mississippi,
I'm loving this conversation because it does speak to this thing.
We're so familiar with this, this is what happens to us.
But I ask you, doctor Martin, this question. Looking at
the things you all are seeking in court, and I
don't know the whole bench of the Southern District, Mississippi,

(01:08:41):
but I think there a couple of black folks who
are going to be sitting who sit on that court,
hopefully you'll get favorable judges. One of the things was
compensate residents for property damages and fun remediation efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Could you talk a little.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Bit more about that and also maybe about the fact
that in a town with less than a thousand people,
are so man these people employed by the company and
are they trying to use that as a point of
entry to create a wedge in the community.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Thank you, So when you.

Speaker 29 (01:09:08):
Think about the property damage, we have dust day lust
in our community. I went into a meeting not too
long ago and there was a resident, a Caucasian resident,
and she talked about she had to replace her roof
because she had been encourring so much dust. But on
top of dust all over the community, it's inside the

(01:09:30):
people's homes right there. We also are seeing flooding, flooding
from the holding punds. That's flooding one fence line community.
And so for us, that's a nuisance. That's a problem.
And if you know, you have to find whatever ways
you can to attack this industry.

Speaker 31 (01:09:53):
And so if they are causing the people in.

Speaker 29 (01:09:56):
The community to have to upgrade, do upgrades to their homes,
then that's property damage. It lures your property rate. Going
back thinking about the people who are employed. I've spoken
to a number of people who used to work in
that facility and.

Speaker 31 (01:10:14):
I was told they were hired through the temp agency.

Speaker 29 (01:10:16):
Wow, so how do you come to our community, a
community of eighty almost eighty percent black people, and all
you can offer us is an opportunity in that industry
through the temp agency.

Speaker 31 (01:10:31):
That's a problem.

Speaker 29 (01:10:33):
Because they came to the community, you know, promising good jobs,
good paying jobs. But it's not a good paying job
anytime you go through the temp agency and they take
half of the money. On top of that, what about
leadership opportunities in the industry? I would love to know

(01:10:55):
if people who look like me have leadership opportunities in
that industry. Yes, and I think they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 31 (01:11:04):
And another thing I can share, I think we saw
this on their website.

Speaker 29 (01:11:08):
They employ about sixty maybe seventy employees and about ten
percent come from Gloucester.

Speaker 31 (01:11:16):
Wow, that's a problem, Matt.

Speaker 12 (01:11:21):
When you hear this, How can residents in this community respond?
Is there any legal action make it take?

Speaker 17 (01:11:31):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:11:31):
I was actually going to ask doctor Martin that because
I know you said that there was a lawsuit.

Speaker 10 (01:11:36):
So is it a Title six claim or what are
the basis of the claim?

Speaker 19 (01:11:40):
Having not read it, I'm not sure exactly how y'all
brought it, but I know locally we've brought a Title
six claim, you know, with HUD for some of the
similar issues.

Speaker 10 (01:11:50):
And then the second question I wanted to ask you
is a pretty basic one.

Speaker 19 (01:11:53):
I saw their press release and it indicated that md
EQ reverse course, and it lauded the local Gloucester.

Speaker 10 (01:12:03):
Leaders and all of that.

Speaker 19 (01:12:04):
So put simply, did they buy out local people and
give them money and say get on board?

Speaker 10 (01:12:09):
And that's why nd EQ reverse course?

Speaker 19 (01:12:12):
Because I suspect that's what it was but i'd learned
love to learn more about that if you would.

Speaker 31 (01:12:18):
I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

Speaker 29 (01:12:21):
You know, it seems like our local government sold us
out because when we showed up to that hearing, there
was so much division in that hearing. You can see
on one side of the room there were the residents
from Gloucester. On the other side of the room, I
would assume those were the contractors.

Speaker 31 (01:12:43):
So one side of the room was majority black. It
was all black, you know. The other side of the
room there were all white men.

Speaker 29 (01:12:52):
There was the gut, I mean, the mayor sitting on
the front room, and I think one day I looked
up and saw the one of the town aldermen.

Speaker 31 (01:13:04):
And you know what was disheartening and all of that
is when they.

Speaker 29 (01:13:10):
Made the announcement to reverse the decision. And it was
no surprise to us. We kind of knew they were
going to reverse that decision.

Speaker 31 (01:13:19):
But the mayor and.

Speaker 29 (01:13:23):
You know, his cronies, they rejoiced, they rejoiced in that decision.
The people who elected the mayor maybe his first time
in office, were there, you know, in the overflow.

Speaker 31 (01:13:39):
They were in the room.

Speaker 29 (01:13:40):
They were in the overflow. People felt some kind of
way that was hurtful. It's okay to be, you know,
have a difference in opinion in the matter, but to
rejoice in celebrating people are loose in their lives. Young

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children are crying, you know, waking up at night, can't breathe.
And this is not a matter to celebrate, you know.
I spent nearly thirty years working in higher education. My
grandchildren live in Hoover, Alabama. But my heart is compassionate

(01:14:26):
for the people in Gloucester, and so I left my career.

Speaker 31 (01:14:31):
To help my community.

Speaker 29 (01:14:33):
I heard the Lord say, you have to go back
to the land where your ancestors are buried, and you
have to help the people. And so I'm there to
help the people. It's not I'm not fighting the local government.
I'm fighting this issue against this big industry that's from
the UK, that's in my community. My mother is ill, right,

(01:14:56):
my neighbors are ill, my family members are ill. People
aren't sick and suffering, and too many people have the
same issues.

Speaker 31 (01:15:07):
So we are here to fight the industry. We are
not trying to fight the local government.

Speaker 29 (01:15:14):
Today they somebody shared a clip and the mayor.

Speaker 31 (01:15:19):
Said that the people are overweight. They they smoke tobacco
and and that's why they're sick.

Speaker 12 (01:15:30):
But really, Michael, this connects to a larger environmental justice
fight really all across the South. This is not just
happening in this one part of Mississippi, correct, right.

Speaker 11 (01:15:45):
Yeah, this is this happens in communities with high African
American populations all across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:15:54):
Doctor Greg Carr a few minutes ago mentioned cancer Alley
down in Louisiana because we've talked about that here on
this show before.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
But the question that I had for doctor Martin is.

Speaker 11 (01:16:10):
The the Dogwood Alliance reported the organization, the Dogwood Alliance
reported that drex has already paid about three million dollars
in state fines for emissions violations.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
So, h do you know anything about that?

Speaker 11 (01:16:30):
And if so, over what period of time were these
violations that they uh, these fines that they paid.

Speaker 34 (01:16:39):
And if that's the case, then what justification is the
state using to allow them to increase emissions when they've
already been finds they've shown a pattern of violating state
standards when.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
It comes to emissions. Okay, and then just a.

Speaker 11 (01:17:01):
Quick follow up to that, has anybody asked the mayor
you said the mayor who's African American, was elated and
jumping for joy when this was granted to them.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
Has anybody asked them, asked him what are you so
happy about?

Speaker 29 (01:17:22):
You know, somebody did tell me they send him a
text message, and so maybe they asked what was he
happy about?

Speaker 31 (01:17:28):
I have not asked that question, but I want to
go back to you talking about cancer Alley.

Speaker 29 (01:17:36):
We discovered about five or six years ago the two
point five million dollar fine, and again that came out
through an article in the local newspaper. And as we
started to work with the EPA Region four, we began
to learn more that there were more violations. So before
there was a two point five million dollar by find

(01:17:59):
that were also a one hundred thousand dollars fine, and
then most recently, in like twenty twenty three, there was
a two hundred and twenty.

Speaker 31 (01:18:09):
Five thousand dollars fine.

Speaker 29 (01:18:12):
Now there are a whole lot of violations, not all
of them resulted in a fine. Some were for you know, emissions,
they didn't report their they didn't get their paperwork or
whatever completed on time. So they have a number of
violations right and as far back as I can tell,

(01:18:35):
these violations started to occur maybe one to two years
after operations. Now, if we work closely with the EPA,
you talk about cancer Alley. Do you know what they
shared with us when we logged into the EJ screening two,
we learned that Gloucester is the new cancer Alley. Jesus,

(01:18:59):
we just have to be a rural community in Mississippi. Right,
We're not in mainstream media. People are not talking about
our issue, but we're the new cancer Alley.

Speaker 12 (01:19:12):
Well, we're talking about it. And I want you to
let me know exactly what's next for the Greater Greener
Gloucester project and what can we do to support you.

Speaker 29 (01:19:24):
What's next is you know, we let DRAX know we
were not done fighting. We're going to continue to work
with our attorneys. We were represented by Earth Justice, Mississippi
Center for Justice, and ACLU and they represented us on
the permit on the permit side, but we also found

(01:19:44):
a lawsuit two days ago with being represented being represented
by Singleton and Schreiber. And we're also working with attorney
being Krump and the environmental law group Gregg Cad out
of Birmingham, Alabama. So there are more lawsuits being found
And how you can help us if you can show

(01:20:07):
up the Gloucester. We need people to show up in
Gloucester and help tell the story. To interview the residents,
talk to the residents, let them tell their story.

Speaker 12 (01:20:18):
Yes, ma'am, doctor Martin, thank you so much for sharing
some of their story. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered
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(01:23:37):
pastor at Summit Church in Elkins, appeared in court on
charges of soliciting minor and distributing materials depicting miners and
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million digital files on Jones's devices, including altered images of
alleged victims. Following his arrest on October second, Well Judge

(01:24:00):
denied his attorney's motions to dismiss the case and to
reduce his cash only bond of fifty thousand dollars. Jones
remains in jail as prosecutors continue to review evidence for
an indictment. We still have our panel here with us.
Matt is still listening. Can you weigh in on what
you just heard about the West Virginia pastor associated with

(01:24:25):
the sexual crimes against minors?

Speaker 19 (01:24:28):
Well, that's an abhorrent, I mean, absolutely abhorrent accusation. I
am really surprised that his bond is only fifty thousand dollars.
That sounds very low. I'm not sure whether these are
state charges or federal charges, but that seems to me
to be uncommonly low, particularly with one million alleged images
of such conduct. I mean, that's like an extraordinary amount,

(01:24:51):
a lot more than I've heard in similar cases that
I've dealt with as a prosecutor. So, I mean, it's
very surprising to me that it's a fifty thousand dollars bond.
But I think what's interesting about this situation that I
understand is that this was a big supporter of Charlie Kirk,
or a person who spoke pretty full throatedly about Charlie

(01:25:14):
Kirk and his legacy.

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
And you know, this is unfortunately for people who are
supporters of mister Kirk and that ilk.

Speaker 19 (01:25:22):
You know, this is proof positive that obviously a lot
of people in that group of people are not good people.

Speaker 8 (01:25:28):
And as they go.

Speaker 19 (01:25:29):
Around saying that the Democrats and the left and all
these people are so you know, immoral and horrible, you
got to sweep around your own front door, as they say.
So this is a horrible situation. But if these accusations
are true, I hope he's buried under the jail because
this is the kind of thing we as a society
absolutely have to apply the harshest punishments to Michael.

Speaker 12 (01:25:49):
I was watching you. I saw you kind of responding,
how are you feeling right now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:25:56):
Well, with Matt saying he was a Charlie Kirk, you
know that doesn't surprise me just seeing that this took
place in West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
You know, Donald Trump won West Virginia overwhelmingly in.

Speaker 11 (01:26:11):
Twenty twenty four, as well as even twenty twenty if
imum correctly. So yeah, this is you know, hopefully he
gets the book thrown at him if he's guilty. Crimes
like this are inexcusable. But also, you know, You're going
to hear more. Just when you look at the what
political exposed dealing with the racist rants from the young Republicans,

(01:26:34):
the white nationalists and training and the things that they
were saying there about some of them, you know, wanted
to alleging one of too great people and torture and
things of this nature. You have some sick people out
here hiding behind Christianity or white Christian nationalism, however you
want to put it, we hear you.

Speaker 12 (01:26:58):
In other news, a federal judge is ordered immigration officers
in the Chicago area to begin wearing body cameras after
startling footage revealed agents clashing with protesters and using tear
gas during President Trump's immigration enforcement actions. Judge Sarah Ellis,
concerned about officers disregarding previous court orders, stated that she

(01:27:20):
is not blind to the images of aggressive enforcement tactics
occurring in her own city. This ruling comes as activists
intensified their efforts to monitor immigration and customs enforcement, with
more than a thousand immigrants arresteds in September well. The
judge's order also prohibits the use of tear gas and
certain riot tactics against peaceful demonstrators. And journalists amid ongoing

(01:27:45):
tensions surrounding immigration in Chicago. Matt, what is it that
we can do about this? Well?

Speaker 10 (01:27:54):
I think this is a great ruling by the judge.
It's a surprising thing.

Speaker 19 (01:27:57):
A lot of people may not know this, but I
don't think federal law law enforcement officers are mandated to
wear body cams. And I know that because I have
a case I just tried in June where if it
wasn't for the local police officer having a body cam,
we never would have had the footage of what happened
to my client.

Speaker 10 (01:28:14):
So I'm glad that this court is requiring this because.

Speaker 19 (01:28:18):
In this day and age, it is so important for
us to bear witness in every medium possible, particularly with video.
Right we're seeing around the country what these ice agents
are doing masked, how they're running up on people, how
they're you know, violating their rights and throwing them to
the ground and otherwise brutalizing them. There absolutely needs to
be recordings of that, and I'm glad that this judge

(01:28:38):
is requiring it. I am surprised that Congress hasn't passed
anything before this, or some other rule hasn't come about
that's required this because this, in my opinion, has been
a long time coming. So I'm glad that she required
this of the ICE agents there in the Chicago Land area.

Speaker 12 (01:28:56):
Doctor Carr, what are your thoughts, how do we continue
moving forward?

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Well, that's a good question. They've been ignoring Judge Ellis's
orders before. That's one of the reasons she came down
again today into the less than men, particularly the American
negro that jumped out the car and put the full
weight of his old weight knee in the back of
that system that we just saw. Winter is coming, my friend.

(01:29:21):
It could be legal, it could be moral, but one way,
you're gonna pay the bill for this, and you don't
have immunity. Donald Trump me thanks to John Roberts, but
you don't. I think we have to move forward by
doing exactly what we just saw. Police camera footage, sometimes
they release it, sometimes they don't. Citizen camera footage, however,
is why we're having this conversation, and we're able to
talk about this in part because some brave soul pushed

(01:29:43):
record on his or her cell phone and we saw
the footage for ourselves. Chicago, These punk these less than
men and women who have been signing up to do this.
We see them smashing cars in the streets, we see
them running into cars and jumping out. But guess what
we see them so police body camera. I agree with Matt,
do it, gotta do it, but let's not rely on

(01:30:03):
that when you see something going down you whip out
your camera. Because all of this is evidence for when
the administrations change, when the government changes, when you boys
and girls gonna get brought up on charges and we're
gonna have this evidence because we took it, not to
the police.

Speaker 12 (01:30:19):
And Michael, what are your thoughts surrounding this. How does
history impact our decisions now and how do we use
that to make decisions in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
Well, I think this is a good ruling.

Speaker 11 (01:30:32):
Yes, they need to wear body cameras and have them
actually recording.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
Yes we need to keep recording as well.

Speaker 11 (01:30:41):
But also, you know, as I've talked about here on
the show, and we have to know King's rally coming
up this weekend, this has to be backed up by
targeting sustained economic withdrawal strategies as with you know, doctor
King told us that we have to always anchor our
external direct action with the power of economic withdraw So

(01:31:03):
there has to be a concerted effort to target those
corporations to help finance Republicans and put them in power,
help finance Donald Trump. Two of them are cor Civic
and Geo Group, two of the largest owner operators of
privatized prisons in the country, that donated to Trump's campaign
back in twenty sixteen. They donated to them as well

(01:31:23):
as twenty twenty four, and they have lucrative contracts to
house the migrants who are being arrested by Ice right now. Okay,
so the same privatized prison companies that African Americans protested
against are some of the same ones to have contracts
to house these these migrants today. So we have to
understand that this all comes together, the mass protests, but

(01:31:46):
also the target is sustained economic with draw strategies as well.

Speaker 12 (01:31:52):
Michael, thank you, Max and doctor Carr. We appreciate your thoughts.
And Roland Martin on Filter will be right back here
on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 21 (01:32:04):
Said the quiet part out loud. Black votes are a threat,
so they erased them. After the Supreme Court gutted the
Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican legislatures moved fast
new voter id laws polling place shutdowns, purges of black
voters from the rolls. Trump's Justice Department didn't stop it.

(01:32:25):
They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ backed Ohio's
voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased Black voters.
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Remember when we were all woke and the woke movement
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Right when we were talking about including diversity, equity, inclusion,
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Speaker 27 (01:34:12):
All right?

Speaker 12 (01:34:13):
Wake Forest University will name a residence hall in honor
of Larry and Beth Hopkins, two trail blazing alumni with
deep ties to both the university and the Winston Salem community.
Beth Hopkins has built a decades long career in law,
education and community outreach. She also made history as one
of the first as one of the first two black

(01:34:36):
female residential students at Wake Forest. Her late husband, doctor
Larry Hopkins, was a standout football player for the Demon
Deacons and a respected physician who dedicated his career to
improving access and outcomes in women's and Neil Nettiel health.
Naming a building on campus, particularly a residence hall, is
one of the highest honors that the university can bestow,

(01:35:00):
and joining us right now is Wake Force alumna Beth Hopkins. Bet,
Thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 27 (01:35:07):
Thank you my pleasure.

Speaker 12 (01:35:09):
Yes, ma'am. How did it feel when you found out
that Wake Force was naming a residence hall in your
and your husband's honor.

Speaker 27 (01:35:19):
I shared with my.

Speaker 23 (01:35:20):
Friends that I received a call early in the day
that the president of the university needed to speak to me,
and I said, oh, my goodness, what have I said now?
Because I'm from to say something generation and I'm always
accused of saying something. So when she called the president
and said that they were naming a residence hall after

(01:35:44):
my husband and me, I was totally speechless and the
tears just flowed because it was so unexpected.

Speaker 12 (01:35:52):
That's beautiful. Tell us more about that. What does this
recognition mean to you and your family?

Speaker 23 (01:35:59):
Well, it means a whole lot to my family and
also to the students who were in school with me,
because even though Letyers and my names are at the
top of the building, it really represents people who came
before us and made the sacrifice, people who came before
us and laid the foundation, and collectively, the students and

(01:36:23):
I made a.

Speaker 27 (01:36:24):
Change at Wake Forest for the greater good.

Speaker 23 (01:36:28):
And I am just pleased to be part of a
group of say something generation people who had courage and
weren't afraid of the consequences because you know, at that time,
we thought that we were revolutionaries. You know, we had
the afros at that word, three feet high, we had

(01:36:49):
more hair and our had than we had a fabric
wrapped around our legs. And we had a great time
at wake Forest just being together and sharing our experiences together.

Speaker 27 (01:37:01):
And we are together.

Speaker 23 (01:37:03):
Fifty years later, fifty five years later actually as a group.
The two of us, Deborah Graves, McFarland and I were
the first two, and then Linda Holiday and Wilhood Dyla
Neil joined us a second semester.

Speaker 12 (01:37:18):
Could you tell us more about what that experience was
like for you back then?

Speaker 23 (01:37:24):
Well, during that time, we experienced a lot of trauma,
as did other black students at majority of European descent universities.
But what got us through was each other. We were
a united, close group and we remain a close group.
There were less than twenty of us on the campus

(01:37:47):
in the early seventies, and we had a lounge called
the Afro American Lounge, and there we would go in
the evenings and talk about issues that involved or affected
all of us, and we would resolved those issues, and
we were not always in agreements. Sometimes there were very
vigorous arguments because there were those of us who wanted

(01:38:10):
to march, who wanted to protest, who want to shout,
and there were those who were more deliberate, like my
husband and the chairman of our group, who was very
deliberate and seft spoken, and together we would come to
some resolution. Once we opened that door of the Afro
American Lounge, we were solid. Nobody knew that we had

(01:38:34):
had the vigorous arguments that we had had. We represented
a united front, and that's how we were able to
get through.

Speaker 27 (01:38:41):
Wait for us.

Speaker 12 (01:38:44):
Let's go ahead and bring the panel in now, and
let's discuss this. Doctor Carr, and you work on a
college campus right now, talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
The honor that this is well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
I mean, like you, and thank you for asking those
questions about context because you know, and thank you forf
Hopkins because you are not just pioneers in many ways,
almost like mythological creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Do I have it right that you were an Asian
studies major when you were Yes?

Speaker 27 (01:39:12):
Was my foreign language?

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Okay, I'm just wanting I mean because the idea that
coming out of those black schools, both of us graduateh
PCs and being that first kind of tip of the
spear group to move in that space. I guess I'm
curious as to and I guess I understand. I also
you the first black homecoming queens. In other words, what
is it about Waite Forest and then by extension, these white.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Schools that you all were trying to accomplish?

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
And then you come back and we understanding that you
spent a career at the law school teaching law.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
If you went and got your jd.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
What does it mean to have a black presence at
the time you all were doing what you did, What
does it mean now?

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Maybe what has changed?

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
And what do you hope to see in the future,
because again y'all not educating a whole lot more than
just black folk.

Speaker 27 (01:39:58):
Well, we were change makers and we had no fear.

Speaker 23 (01:40:01):
That was.

Speaker 27 (01:40:04):
Our ability to adapt and adjust.

Speaker 23 (01:40:07):
And I'll tell you I was actually on my way
to Read College before I committed to wake Forest, and
two very dear friends of mine, one from Richmond, a
childhood friend, and another Wake Forest student, came to my
house in June before the fall in which I enrolled
and said that there are less than fifteen black male

(01:40:32):
students on campus.

Speaker 27 (01:40:33):
There are no black women who live on campus.

Speaker 23 (01:40:36):
And Wake Forest is actively recruiting women who can compete academically.
And so we were Affirmative Action recruits, but we were
academically prepared.

Speaker 27 (01:40:50):
And let me say right here that one of the.

Speaker 23 (01:40:53):
Things we had to fight was the faculty resentment about
us being there. For some reason, they thought that teachers
would send us to any school that would cause us
to fail.

Speaker 27 (01:41:07):
Failure was not an option for us.

Speaker 23 (01:41:09):
We were all again united in sharing information about professors
and who would give you a fair shake and who
would not. Now, my parents are HBCU graduates. They attended
and graduated from Virginia Union University in Richmond, Virginia.

Speaker 27 (01:41:27):
And so I was on my way to Ree College.

Speaker 23 (01:41:31):
These two buddies of mine come by and say, look,
you need to come to Wake Forest. And I thought
about that, and I said, oh, snap, Ree College doesn't
have a football team. I'm going to Wake Forest. And
so that's really the story of how I matriculated to
Wake Forest.

Speaker 27 (01:41:49):
I didn't get into the school until July before my
fall year, because, as I said, I was on my
way to Oregon to go to school.

Speaker 23 (01:41:57):
But in terms of what that means, it means that
we are always have been change makers. We are always
fighting for the greater good, and that fight cannot stop.
We have to keep going in spite of what's happening
nationally or globally. We have to remain hopeful because I
think it was Victor Hugo who said something about hope
being written on the brow of every person, and that's

(01:42:19):
what we have to continue to remember and stop complaining.
Let's get it together, and let's go forward. That's what
being on a historically white campus means to me.

Speaker 28 (01:42:32):
That we're there.

Speaker 27 (01:42:33):
We fought for being there.

Speaker 23 (01:42:35):
We knew that we were supposed to be there. We
knew that we were supposed to exact change.

Speaker 12 (01:42:41):
And Professor Hopkins, your story is so inspiring, Michael. What
type of notes can we take away from.

Speaker 11 (01:42:48):
Her perseverance understanding? You know, the civil rights movement and
the what she's saying kind of reminds me of the
cow to be shown where you had Cliff and Clare
who were from that civil rights generation and they were
trail blazers, and then the children were kind of a disappointment.

(01:43:09):
They didn't have that same fire and desire. But the
quick question I had was how did you go from
the Asian studies major to going to law school?

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
How did that happen?

Speaker 23 (01:43:19):
Okay, that's very I've actually decided at twelve years old
that I wanted to go to law school.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:43:26):
And I was actually interested in diplomacy.

Speaker 20 (01:43:30):
And I thought that.

Speaker 23 (01:43:32):
Being a lawyer and being able to serve were in
syntax with one another, and being in the diplomatic corps,
I thought also that was an opportunity to serve more globally.

Speaker 27 (01:43:45):
But in the meantime, I got married.

Speaker 23 (01:43:47):
I got married my senior year December of my senior year,
and my dad was not a very happy camper, and
he thought that I was not going to finish school
and I said, no way. But see, I was involved
in civil rights because my parents were involved in civil rights.
They laid the foundation, they were the role models for us.

(01:44:07):
So at twelve years old, I was marching on the
holiday inns, the Derrek Queens, the libraries.

Speaker 27 (01:44:15):
We couldn't even go to a library in Petersburg, Virginia.

Speaker 23 (01:44:19):
And of course there were no tennis courts we could
play on, and no swimming pools and Thank goodness, there
was Virginia State College at that time that had tennis
courts and a swimming pool for us to learn how
to swim.

Speaker 27 (01:44:35):
So it was just a struggle being in Petersburg.

Speaker 23 (01:44:39):
And I wasn't going to let anything stop me from
becoming a lawyer. And I don't know if you know
the story that when I finished Wake Forest with honors,
I approached only one school. I was just that, I
wanted to say I was arrogant because I knew I
had worked hard and accomplished a lot. I knew the
school was going to accept me, wait for us as

(01:45:01):
law school. Well guess what the school said, No, you
can't come here. And I was a little immature. I
was mad with God because I told him, I said, look,
you know that I wanted to be a lawyer ever
since I was twelve years old. What's going on here?
But see what that taught me is that you have
to submit to the plan, that there's a greater plan

(01:45:23):
for you, and you have to be mature enough to
understand that there's a high authority that's got in your path.
So the very next year, I applied to women Mary,
went back to my home state and took the bar
exam February of my third year, because at that time
Virginia allowed you to do that, passed the bar, and

(01:45:45):
in May I had a job.

Speaker 27 (01:45:47):
With the civil rights law firm in Richmond, and I had.

Speaker 23 (01:45:50):
The beautiful opportunity to work with Oliver Hill, who was
a civil rights icon and one of the lawyers on
Brown versus Border that you now. Had I gone to
wake Forest's law school, I would not have had an opportunity.
And also Justice third Wood Marshall was Oliver Hill's law
school roommate, so I had an opportunity to meet Justice Marshall.

(01:46:15):
So that was the grand plan right there, and the
rest you know its.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Historically, do you mind?

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
I just got to ask when you worked with Oliver Hills,
that means you knew Spots would Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
These are the legends.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
These are the legends.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
So only question I asked, want to ask you a
quick question. Prof.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I know you wrote that chapter in the history of
wake Forest, and that's an important chapter. But we got
to know when is the memoir coming out? Because see,
this is a story. We need you worked with Oliver Hills,
Come on.

Speaker 8 (01:46:44):
We need that.

Speaker 23 (01:46:45):
Yes, yes, I mean you can't even imagine what it's
like working with an icon.

Speaker 27 (01:46:51):
He was so brilliant. He was so invested in the community,
and he loved.

Speaker 23 (01:46:58):
The law and the stories he used to tell, especially
the Farmville one, because you know, the Prince Edward County
case is the case that he connected to Brown versus
Board of Educations man.

Speaker 31 (01:47:08):
And he told the.

Speaker 23 (01:47:09):
Story about how he was near the county working on
retirement cases for black teachers because at that time, black
teachers retirement incomes.

Speaker 27 (01:47:20):
Were not the same as people of European descent.

Speaker 35 (01:47:24):
And so he got this call from as you know,
Barbara John's a teenager who led the students strike against
the Molten High Farmville School and she said, mister Hill, you.

Speaker 23 (01:47:37):
Got to come and see what we have to put
up with every day. And mister Hill said, no, I
really can't. I'm tied up with all these cases with
the black retirement teachers.

Speaker 27 (01:47:48):
I just don't have the time. She begged him.

Speaker 23 (01:47:50):
We went to Farmville and he said that his heart
was broken when he saw the condition of the schools.

Speaker 27 (01:47:56):
They had buckets to catch the water.

Speaker 23 (01:47:58):
They had parents prop in firewood so the kids wouldn't
phrase during the winter time, and that's when he decided
to take on the case and bring the Farmuille case
to Brown versus Boy. As you know, following their case,
farm Real schools shut down and didn't have any schools
for black children for about five years.

Speaker 27 (01:48:20):
They will call the Lost Generation.

Speaker 12 (01:48:24):
Professor Hopkins, we do now. I want to let you go.
We could listen to you speak for a lot longer,
but we want to thank you for your time tonight,
for being so open to share your story, and thank
you for all the work that you've been doing on
behalf of our community. I also want to yet, amen,
we don't want you to be I also want to

(01:48:44):
thank the panel tonight for joining us, Matt Manning, Doctor Carr,
and Michael emltep. I hope you guys have a great night,
and when we come back, we'll show you highlights from
the Chris Tucker Foundation Celebrity Golf Tournament. You're watching Roland
Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. We'll be right back.

Speaker 30 (01:49:03):
This week on a Balance Life for Doctor Jackie. We're
continuing our series of putting in the works a chef's Journey.
Are you an aspiring chef someone who already has a
business trying to figure out what your next steps will be,
who to talk to and how to get there. Well,
on this week's show, our great guests and wonderful chefs
will talk to you about what means to discover your purpose,

(01:49:25):
your why of being in the kitchen and then knowing
how to put a business together.

Speaker 26 (01:49:28):
The menu controls everything, It determines The menu determines everything,
but the business plan is where you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:36):
Have to go back to when you get into the business.

Speaker 8 (01:49:38):
At the end of the day, you know, social media
and TV, all of that stuff is cool, but you
still have to run a business, so you still have
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Speaker 30 (01:49:46):
That's all next on a Balance Life with Doctor Jackie
here on black Star Network.

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The show us show at the Roland Martin Show. Well,
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Speaker 12 (01:50:20):
Now. If you know anything about Roland, you know he
loves golf. Earlier this month, Roland attended the Chris Tucker
Foundation Celebrity Golf Tournament in Stockbridge, Georgia.

Speaker 37 (01:50:28):
Here's the recap, all y'allso be out here, the Chris

(01:50:50):
Tucker Celebrity Golf Classic.

Speaker 25 (01:50:53):
About the teen this thing up, but to have a
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For me, man to see all the people who participate
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I said, you got me man, I want you to
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Speaker 11 (01:52:57):
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racers alright, old y'all's six. Oh yeah, I'm gonna make
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To pull out.

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Oh damn too much. I can't see here we go.
Now you can see, I can see, Simmy says, skin
not excuse now. He tried. He tried. He tried to
get that money. That's all he trying to see that.
That's a new for me. I had a cataract surgery.
Normally is shoulder.

Speaker 25 (01:54:55):
I'll be honest, all right, I can see now or
you can see now cateract and late?

Speaker 8 (01:55:09):
You ready to do this ship the whole day, every
day or twice on Sunday. Somebody gotta do it. What's
I'm just chelling?

Speaker 12 (01:55:15):
It was going on?

Speaker 8 (01:55:16):
All right, good to meet you. You know, I'm we're
gonna do it something so you know, just made sense.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
Geez, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:55:23):
Do all good?

Speaker 5 (01:55:26):
We go back way?

Speaker 12 (01:55:27):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:55:29):
Wait but they wait, but they got they got five
Johnson out here?

Speaker 23 (01:55:32):
A man?

Speaker 25 (01:55:33):
Do talk about that capital? Ja come on, jay baby
always No, I'm actually uh only Dallas and up to
the movies. Yeahmen, the Dallas in the Dallas about permanent day.

Speaker 8 (01:55:47):
All is white. You can't even what you want? You
all this like you look like you dust the candy
or something. What's happening? You know what they say that
Gusta looked at it. Waight be white, candy always be black.

Speaker 25 (01:56:03):
Look at him, got the shoes and socks all look
at him.

Speaker 8 (01:56:07):
You know I'm advertising. M Yeah, I can tell you both.
You've got a branding deal. What look, man, I'm talking a.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Good man.

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
I can't conform anybody can listen to anybody. Yeah, like
it looked like an m J billboard.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
You know what?

Speaker 8 (01:56:27):
Hey, look we got playing how we can play his
shoes on?

Speaker 23 (01:56:32):
Any way?

Speaker 8 (01:56:33):
You can do it? You know, yep, yep, you you're
wearing a twenty three as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
I'm from from head to tall lord.

Speaker 8 (01:56:44):
Row twenty three.

Speaker 25 (01:56:45):
When they back up, you're getting the check to wear it.
I ain't I ain't wearing nothing for free. Ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (01:56:54):
What the pimping there saying?

Speaker 5 (01:56:55):
I don't sing for free?

Speaker 8 (01:56:56):
No, I ain't go'na do it. No, no, no, I
ain't gonna be no billboard for free? What an m jay?
If you see me right now, get Roland Martin to
check him and give him this gear. So I concur
me too. I concur because I love rolling bout unfiltered gear.
I pay myself.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
You're a bad brother when you can get your own
gear and sponsoring yourself, like give me bad brother.

Speaker 8 (01:57:22):
How we do it?

Speaker 23 (01:57:26):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:58:02):
This I want to work on. Christ say, let me
put a video for me.

Speaker 36 (01:58:09):
Nominee Domining is just that you let me icon and
he comes out at this.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
Day like this, cousin got you love me?

Speaker 7 (01:58:16):
This my big brother.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
If you nor me to that a little? What about sixteen?

Speaker 9 (01:58:20):
I'm about sixteen?

Speaker 8 (01:58:21):
But thank you man.

Speaker 20 (01:58:22):
I love you. Man.

Speaker 7 (01:58:23):
He just shot.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
I know, I feel young, I feel you.

Speaker 8 (01:58:25):
I love you man. He just shot. Too many layups.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
I'm right here.

Speaker 8 (01:58:30):
Grim youing, no right.

Speaker 23 (01:58:36):
That dad?

Speaker 12 (01:58:38):
We can back out.

Speaker 8 (01:58:41):
You want to go out.

Speaker 26 (01:58:43):
I'm love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
Love y'all.

Speaker 7 (01:58:48):
Man, have run, y'all gonna lay y'all.

Speaker 12 (01:58:52):
Okay, come on, keep it moving.

Speaker 8 (01:58:54):
We gotta keep it moving. Let Dominie go.

Speaker 7 (01:58:56):
He's married, let him go, Let me go.

Speaker 32 (01:59:06):
I got I gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Many. I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (01:59:17):
Around me.

Speaker 8 (01:59:21):
Regar. Family is man.

Speaker 7 (01:59:24):
Hey, the brothers love the man.

Speaker 8 (01:59:26):
No fun.

Speaker 31 (01:59:26):
I'll say'all out there.

Speaker 12 (01:59:27):
All right, I see out.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
Cutting man.

Speaker 8 (01:59:35):
That one. Yeah, get on that fly away, ye take
you coming out?

Speaker 9 (01:59:45):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:59:46):
Chick.

Speaker 7 (01:59:46):
Chilly baby, there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:59:52):
Don't you don't work yet?

Speaker 31 (01:59:53):
I don't work a day.

Speaker 25 (01:59:56):
Okay, I all right, Chris, I was got a golf tournament.
Tell folks what the foundation does.

Speaker 8 (02:00:03):
Man.

Speaker 12 (02:00:04):
We do everything.

Speaker 8 (02:00:05):
Man, best thing I ever done in my life.

Speaker 38 (02:00:06):
My mama told me to do this because I was
traveling all over the world, all over Africa. She said,
do your own foundation can help with other people. And
it's the best best thing man, to be here. All
my friends coming out. You know who your friends when
you call on them and they come out, and not
only this year, for years they've been coming out.

Speaker 8 (02:00:21):
So it's a blessing.

Speaker 38 (02:00:22):
And we do scholarships, We do homeless ministry with the
church through the church, and we do all We put
people in houses if they're homeless. We do everything, We
do everything.

Speaker 12 (02:00:31):
So I love it.

Speaker 8 (02:00:32):
I see some on the news. I'll do something. I say,
let's do this, let's do that.

Speaker 12 (02:00:36):
So it's great.

Speaker 25 (02:00:36):
And so somebody out there, they're not playing, but they
want to support your foundation.

Speaker 38 (02:00:40):
Where they go They go to the Chris Tucker Foundation
dot org something like that.

Speaker 7 (02:00:45):
But it's easy to fine, easy fine.

Speaker 25 (02:00:47):
And last question, I have video for you the George
Lopez golf tournament.

Speaker 8 (02:00:52):
When you put a ball on the patio. As the
golf swing improved, it's gotten better. They wanted me.

Speaker 38 (02:00:57):
I supposed to play it yesterday at the Tour Championship
down at East Lake, but I hurt my toe.

Speaker 8 (02:01:02):
Everybody knows about that. So I had some mother and
I had to go to church. So but I'm but
I'm an excellent player, excellent player. So that's why you
were not in the two championship.

Speaker 7 (02:01:09):
Enough questions, It's over me, all right, all right.

Speaker 8 (02:01:34):
All y'all folks on town, join a crew. Y'all might
know this man.

Speaker 25 (02:01:37):
Remember the light scam, hurd dog scanned people, the super
solkers and everything.

Speaker 8 (02:01:41):
Uh, this is my man, lining man. How you doing.
I'm doing good man, Everything's going great.

Speaker 22 (02:01:45):
We're launching a couple of new companies, one based both
based on my inventions. I invented a new engine that
converts heat to electricity and you'll operate on know tempion heat.
Our major investments in all the gas company who decided
that just twenty percent of the bandon or wells where
they've gotten all the oil out, just the low tempting
heat there be, could supply all the US power needs.
So we've got the technology that can do it. So

(02:02:07):
we're excited about that. When't been in a new battery
that that will allow electric vehicles to go six hundred
miles on a charge instead of three hundred. So we're
in a double range of electric vehicles.

Speaker 5 (02:02:17):
We're changing the game.

Speaker 8 (02:02:19):
So what you do at home, you sit around this
thinking shit, it's just about that. I bet you.

Speaker 25 (02:02:28):
I bet I got TV clip all around my I
bet you got wires and all kinds of stuff all
around the creed.

Speaker 22 (02:02:34):
Real you don't get its hard work, you don't get
an accident. You've got a plan and you got the execute.
You gotta apply yourself. And that's what makes the difference.

Speaker 25 (02:02:44):
Well, I tell my interns and this, I said, this
is the biggest issue I have with today's generation. I said,
you have to have the ability to think, or you're
gonna be able to sometimes sit out and just think.

Speaker 22 (02:02:54):
You got to get the knowledge right, You got to
get the knowledge based to thinking of it.

Speaker 5 (02:02:58):
So what you put in your brain, you know, they
always just well.

Speaker 8 (02:03:02):
Man, good seeing you keep doing it.

Speaker 25 (02:03:04):
Uh and uh, yeah, we can't wait with that six
hundred mile battery, I'm sure. I'm sure general motors out there,
like a lot of let's holl at you about.

Speaker 22 (02:03:11):
That getting closer every day, all right, saturd right, yeah,
we actually we've got the technology. Now we're transitioning out
of the laboratory, put together large demonstration sales.

Speaker 8 (02:03:22):
Were all right, all right, handle it all, hold on,
hold on, all right? What the hell kind of fan
is this?

Speaker 22 (02:03:31):
What's that?

Speaker 8 (02:03:32):
The hell kind of fan?

Speaker 5 (02:03:33):
Hey man, that's technology, man, My mama told me they
got it. Go get it.

Speaker 8 (02:03:37):
What we got a list of battery we got hey man,
damn you play golf with the brothers.

Speaker 12 (02:03:47):
Damn?

Speaker 8 (02:03:47):
Well then we got missed.

Speaker 25 (02:03:48):
Three fans over here, he got I mean, like the hell, hey,
I'm part problem play.

Speaker 8 (02:04:00):
Yeah, but I mean it's a light day.

Speaker 5 (02:04:05):
This ain't your grandpa.

Speaker 8 (02:04:08):
I mean, we got a fan behind for the back
of your head. Well, we got one for your thigh.
We got missed. And like what like what this what
we do that you grow up in Wisconsin or something
New York from, Oh you're gonna in Buffalo.

Speaker 25 (02:04:25):
Yes, Oh, so that's why your ass, that's why your
ass can't handle the heat.

Speaker 8 (02:04:28):
You cannot handle heat. I mean you got I mean,
but you be on the corner.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
When you're on the corner, I.

Speaker 8 (02:04:33):
Mean, listen, you got an ac unit in here too.

Speaker 5 (02:04:35):
What you know music?

Speaker 8 (02:04:37):
You know you got deep freeze in the back.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Some beers and some.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
Cold beers have a good time jail.

Speaker 13 (02:04:44):
This is this is a new man, I know.

Speaker 8 (02:04:46):
I mean you got a bucket back here, like like,
are you painting?

Speaker 12 (02:04:53):
Like?

Speaker 8 (02:04:54):
We got a bucket, we got range ball, we got
I mean again, you never know what you gonna need something,
literally got If you're gonna need.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
Something, I got you.

Speaker 8 (02:05:05):
I got you, right, I mean, I'm just saying, you
never know what you're gonna need something.

Speaker 25 (02:05:13):
You got this got he got it, got a little
Saints logo lit let in a fellow alumnas just how.

Speaker 8 (02:05:19):
We do this is how we do make you? Didn't
he have th fans in here? Tell me that that
high round.

Speaker 23 (02:05:26):
Fans of the crown.

Speaker 5 (02:05:27):
I got fans of the a tradition. It's as tradition.
And he got covers with kicks it right.

Speaker 8 (02:05:34):
Hello, if you need all that, go home. Just go
ahead and stay in the house. This is my house, slippers,
don't stay in the house. This is my house. Can't
you tell me we got mirrors and everything my house.
It's to tell you what the hell that fire long?
What how many tell you the comments?

Speaker 5 (02:05:56):
And you got this? I got you what you need?
You got some gos?

Speaker 8 (02:06:00):
What's up? Oh my goodness, I'm just shut me up.

Speaker 20 (02:06:04):
Don't get no.

Speaker 8 (02:06:06):
I'm looking. I'm looking at all these fans. He got
it here, fans the frown. He's out, pretty bore, he's
out designated, pretty pretty boy designated. Whatever you rolling up,
you know with George Jeff that's right right, moving on
up right.

Speaker 5 (02:06:22):
This is one of our brothers who go up.

Speaker 8 (02:06:25):
Well, you ain't got nothing to do that. What you're doing,
how you look when you do it.

Speaker 25 (02:06:30):
I'm just saying, I'm just playing. T ain't nobody trying
to see that little it is? Bill, He was just
playing somebody. First of all, Eric, if you gotta hold
it up, it ain't worth nothing.

Speaker 8 (02:06:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it ain't. Somebody know what that is.

Speaker 25 (02:06:51):
That's called a flyway cigre boys. That's the fly away saying,
my boys, that's how we roll. That's how your boys
play that.

Speaker 8 (02:06:58):
Yeah we are. We ain't no social. That's your boys
in prison. Where ain't no shoot school?

Speaker 25 (02:07:02):
Now, y'all got more prison chaps anything? No, you don't
say something anytime just like any time I seen it, Omega,
I checked for electronic monitory.

Speaker 8 (02:07:11):
I left to see you make sure his probation always
let him come out here. Yeah, we cut our moneys
and hundreds and thousands, yeah and million. Now you know,
dogg with that's a lie. Now you know that.

Speaker 25 (02:07:24):
You know y'all got a bunch of pennyon theaires. Wait
a minute, mane, now you this is just in the neighborhood.
Now you you got you know, Okay, I think he
got a couple of millions. Shaquille on Field here you've
heard it, and he is a cue the next one.
And there's another guy in the mess, Michael Jott. You
ever heard Robert Smith?

Speaker 8 (02:07:43):
You ever heard of Michael Truman? You ever heard Robert Smith? Oh? Yeah,
I heard them right. And he's an outpha.

Speaker 5 (02:07:49):
Yeah, okay, you go.

Speaker 25 (02:07:50):
Sit your ass down, right, So if you take if
you take Michael's money and put it with Shack's money
and all the rest of your money, y'all still can't
rocking Brober Smith there, gonna sit your ass down.

Speaker 8 (02:08:02):
You can't. You can't. You can't even read he got
nine billion. You can't. Y'all ain't good, y'all ain't good
at count that check. We got a super Bowl champion too?
Who the one that just wanted to dig him smooth?

Speaker 12 (02:08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:08:18):
Do you know how many? Do you know how many?
Do the history alphas? We gotta to want super Bowl?
First of all?

Speaker 25 (02:08:25):
Which which NFL player outside of Tom Brady has most
Super Bowl rings?

Speaker 8 (02:08:30):
Which one? Which one?

Speaker 21 (02:08:32):
Dad?

Speaker 12 (02:08:32):
Come?

Speaker 8 (02:08:33):
Which one? You've heard Charles Haley Man, that's all old? No, no, no,
But how many rings he got? That's old though? You
know what it is? That's an alpha man. Gonna sit
your ass down.

Speaker 7 (02:08:43):
You can't.

Speaker 8 (02:08:44):
You can't out talk me. You can't out talk me.
You better retire. Did you just proudly did you just
proudly yell that third Good Marshall was in Omega? Did
you just say third Good Marshall? Was it Onmega? Did
I just hear that right now?

Speaker 12 (02:09:03):
Hell no?

Speaker 8 (02:09:04):
Did you just say that third Good Marshall was it Omega? Whatever?

Speaker 12 (02:09:08):
Word?

Speaker 8 (02:09:09):
Last I checked?

Speaker 25 (02:09:10):
Third Good Marshall players alpha at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 5 (02:09:14):
This was after he tried to plays.

Speaker 8 (02:09:16):
Oh hell now you really your own damn history?

Speaker 5 (02:09:20):
It meant Thurston Marshall.

Speaker 8 (02:09:21):
Oh, Thurston Marshall.

Speaker 25 (02:09:23):
Yeah, because I know third good remember not the King
Alpha Thirdod Marshall Alpha, Jesse Owens Alpha.

Speaker 8 (02:09:32):
Do you want me to continue? I'm gonna hurt your feelings. Better,
sit your ass down, whatever, shit your ass down.

Speaker 25 (02:09:38):
Hold up whenever they say whenever they say whatever, that
means the ass whipping has commenced.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
What whatever on?

Speaker 8 (02:09:46):
You gonna make it.

Speaker 25 (02:09:47):
You're gonna make the show on that one on. Oh,
you're gonna make the show on that one.

Speaker 12 (02:10:37):
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