Shutdown Showdown Nears End, Trump-Epstein Emails Exposed, Latina History Made in Congress

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Today is Wednesday, November twelve, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Coming up on rollingd Mark Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Streaming live on the Blasts Starting Network. I am here
in Bermuda for the Butterfield B meter Championship. It starts
tomorrow and so lots to talk about and we'll be
shared with us well, folks. The nation is on edge
tonight as the US House is less than an hour
away from a decisive vote that put in longest government

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shut down in US history.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll go live to the White the House for you.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
After fifty days of waiting at Alita Grabalia has finally
sworn in making history. It took Speaker Mike Johnson long enough.
Little release emails Lenkedy twice in peach criminally convicted felon
in chief, Donald the con Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, no
shock and one of them says Epstein says Trump.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Knew about the girls. That's why they didn't want herst
worn in.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
A federal judge in Illinois has ordered the release of
hundreds of individuals detained by Ice because their rests were
potentially unlawful and the violation of the federal court order
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
Let's got.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
What place he's right on top of best believe he's
going loss to politics, just Jack, He's SI's real the

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question though, He's.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Roll along as the government shut down in US history
could come to an end tonight if the House approves

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a funding package and sends it to the twice impeach
crimely convicted Fellain in Chief Donald the Khan Trump for signature.
The Lord Chambers returning for the first time since September nineteenth,
and it set to vote on final passage in just.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
About an hour.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
House Speaker Mike Johnson says the vote will reopen the government.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
We believe the long national nightmare will be over tonight.
It was completely and utterly foolish and pointless in the end,
as we said all along, I just want to apologize
to any Americans who are out there who still have
flight cancelations or delays today. Apologize to the many American
families who are made to go hungry over the last
several weeks, our troops and other federal employees who are

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wondering where their next paycheck would come from. All of
that's on the Democrats. Just never forget. They voted fifteen
times between the House and the Senate to close your government,
and the Republicans tried every single day of the shutdown
to open it, and we voted fifteen times to do that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
They have a lot to answer for.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
And I just want to say that we're very optimistic
about the vote tally tonight. We think this is going
to happen, and we're sorry that it took this long.
So Republicans are going to deliver for the people. We're
ready to get back to our legislative agenda. We have
a very aggressive calendar for the remainder of this year.
There'll be some long days and nights here, some long
working weeks, but we will get this thing back on tracks.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, you haven't been working, so let me complaining about
some long days. House Democratic Leader how King Jeffrey says.
Democrats remain opposed to the MAGA spending bill that will
gut healthcare, impacting millions of Americas.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
House Democrats are here on the Capitol steps to reiterate
our strong opposition to the spending bill because it fails
to address the Republican health care crisis and it fails
to extend the Affordable Care At tax credits. House Democrats

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will continue to support our men and women in uniform.
We will continue to support hard working federal employees. We
will continue to support our law enforcement personnel. House Democrats
will continue to support our air traffic controllers. We will
continue to support our TSA agents. We will continue to

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support our civil servants who have been under attack since
day one of the Trump administration. But we cannot support
the Republican effort to gut the healthcare of the American people.
Today's House Democrats will introduce legislation to extend the Affordable

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Care Act tax credits for three years to.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
Make sure.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
That tens of millions of Americans don't experience dramatically increase premiums, co.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Pays, and deductibles.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
We believe that working class Americans, middle class Americans, and
everyday Americans deserve the same level of certainty that Republicans
always provide to the wealthy, the well off, and the
well connected, the same level of certainty, and so we're
calling upon our Republican colleagues to join us and extend

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the Affordable tax credits. And we will be working hard today, tomorrow,
and throughout the balance of this year to make sure
that those Affordable Care Act tax credits are extended. Puplicans
control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
They own the.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Mess that has been created in the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
They own it.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
In a few hours, we will convene on the House floor,
and our message to the American people is, no matter
what happens on the floor later on today, our promise
to you remains the same. House Democrats will continue to

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fight to make your life more affordable. House Democrats will
continue the fight to address the Republican healthcare crisis, and
House Democrats will fight to extend the Affordable Care Act
tax credits. This fight is not over. We're just getting started.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
All right, folks.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
My panel, Rebecca Caruthers, President and CEO Fairy Election in
the Center out of DC, doctor Zachary Kirk, educator and
content creator.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Doctor Larry J.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Walker, Associate Professor, University.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Of Central Florida, be joining us as well.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So let's have all three of y'all here, So let's
get right to it. Rebecca, Listen, Republicans are going to
pass this.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
We already know this.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
They are going to cut healthcare.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
We know this as well.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Regardless of this stupid ass promise that Senator Dick Durbin said,
Republican Senate Majority Leader John Thune gave him to take
it for a vote.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
They cut it.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Before they're going to They're not going to reinsert the
state of these subsidies again. So let's just be real
clear about what's going to happen. People need to simply
prepare themselves for their healthcare premiums skyrocketing, and the people
who should get the blame for it are Donald Trump
and Republican House and Senate members, period, full stop.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Roland. Back in two thousand and nine, I worked on
Capitol Hill.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
I worked for Congressman John Dingo, and one of the
pieces of policy that I worked on was the Affordable
Care Act. Was interesting to point out the Affordable Care Act,
the way it is enacted now is actually Republican legislation.
When I think about when then Governor met Romney in
Massachusetts had romney Care, which also had subsidies payments to

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make sure that people could have affordable premiums. At the time,
there was a lot of fighting in the Democratic Caucus
because quite frankly, there was a push led by the
lad Representative John Conyers to have single payer i e.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
Medicare for all. But instead, though.

Speaker 9 (08:44):
Obama White House decided to negotiate with some of the
Democrats on the Hill and negotiate among themselves because unfortunately,
at the time, Republicans refused to show up to the
negotiating table. So what ended up happening is the legislation
that we have now. So it's very ironic watching the
Republicans say for the last ten years that they want
to repeal and replace Obamacare. In reality, the reason why

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they haven't presented an alternative is because this is the
type of legislation that used to be part of the
Republican philosophy. At this point, the alternative to the Affordable
Care Act, if you don't like the Affordable Care Act,
is single payer is Medicare for all. So I'm very
curious to see if Democrats in the House start pushing
and reintroducing a single payer bill.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
The thing here, Larry, is simple, and it's gonna skyrocket.
You're gonna have rural hospitals shut down and a lot
of these red state MAGA people are going to be
crying and moaning because they're gonna have loved ones passing
away and folks that have been able to get care
because they chose to vote for these idiots.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
Yeah, Roland, this is like what we've seen here.

Speaker 11 (09:59):
And obviously with this substies about the expire, you highlighted
red states like Florida in particular, are really dependent on
these subsidies.

Speaker 10 (10:07):
And a lot of people voted for their own.

Speaker 11 (10:09):
Demise, which is part of a long history in this country.
And Roland, you know we've talked about in your show
last couple of weeks. You know, folks are getting you know,
notices in the mail that there their rates are going
to go up dramatically, and what's going to happen is
the uninsured rate is going to go up. And you
talked about these rural hospitals that will close, people will
have access, we will we talk about the disproportioned impact

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that was to have on women who are pregnant. It
will likely increase inferent and pregnancy mortality rates. And we
know how particularly how those issues impact black folks. The
other thing is rolling is those individuals who going won't
be able afford to have insurance anymore. It's going to
increase the mortality rate. And a lot of these red
states who already depend on the federal government disproportionately compared.

Speaker 10 (10:55):
To other some of these blue states. And this is
going to be.

Speaker 11 (10:58):
A long term trend, and we're not prepared for the
millions of individuals going to lose their health insurance, some
who are to following bankruptcy and other issues relating it
is going to increase issues.

Speaker 10 (11:08):
Relating to mental health and other.

Speaker 11 (11:12):
Financial strains not only are on parents and grandparents, but
also children. And there's also going to increase debt ratios
and underserved committees throughout the United States.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Look it is and so I mean, I keep saying
over and over and over again, Zachary, that sometimes you
got to show them better, you can tell them, and
these people are going to have to feel real pain
before they wake the heill up and go. Damn, y'all
were not lying. No, we tried to tell you.

Speaker 12 (11:48):
Repeatedly. And let me tell you who else needs to
feel some damn real pain. Roland Martin, the eight Senate
Democrats and the damn leader to Schumer, they need to
feel the pain too, because let's be honest, let's keep
it a buck.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
If they would have just continued.

Speaker 12 (12:05):
To buckle down and hold the line, we wouldn't be
back here. Our Senate Democrats, the Democrats, and a House
of Representatives under Minority Leader of King Jeffries were fighting
on all they had to avoid this outcome. They told
the line, they educated the American people, They had the
support of not only Black America, but the entire country

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behind them.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Polls were in their favor.

Speaker 12 (12:29):
Americans showed up in record numbers last Tuesday to make
their voices heard.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
When we had a blue wave.

Speaker 12 (12:36):
Across this country and we won in places like Georgia
and Missipi that we didn't think that we would win.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Only to have eight members of the Senate under leaders.

Speaker 12 (12:45):
Humor, turn around betray the American people, betrayed their party
and they say we give up, we cave for whatever reason,
they had to do that. So they had to fill
into the pain too. And I think it's incumbent upon
us to make sure they feel that pain. The people
is not a moment of rest. Yes, this is absolutely
the faults of Republicans. Yes, this is absolutely the cruelty,

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the harm that they want to inflict. But in this situation,
some Democrats have some blame too, not all Democrats.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
But some Democrats.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
And I want them to feel little bit of pain too,
because with the American people, we are feeling pain.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
The forty two million people that were going without Snap
benefits feeling pain.

Speaker 12 (13:20):
But I want to emphasize the forty two million people
that were impacted by SNAP being allocated. That did not
force these eight Democrats to turn code and give up.
It wasn't the healthcare workers and all the people that
are being forced to work that are getting paid that
did not make them cave.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
It was the inconvenience of.

Speaker 12 (13:38):
Travel and people that have the means of travel and
business effected by travel that caused them to cave.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
Let's not let them off the hook either. Make them
feel a little bit of pain.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Absolutely, So we'll see where this is the House debate ghost.
But again I think they have the two in the
eighteenth votes. It's going to be very narrow because they
only have a three majority in the House. But we'll
keep you all abreast to what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Can I go to break, We'll be right back. Roland
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Speaker 13 (14:11):
They said the quiet part out loud. Black votes are
a threat, so they erased them. After the Supreme Court
gutted the Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican legislatures
moved fast new voter id laws, polling place shutdowns, purges
of black voters from the rolls. Trump's Justice Department didn't

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stop it. They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ
backed Ohio's voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased
Black voters. Their goal erase black votes and political power. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (15:12):
Hey, what's up, everybody.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's God be the funniest dude on the planet.

Speaker 14 (15:16):
And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Mhm hm hm.

Speaker 15 (15:29):
Hm hm hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
A seven week wait, Democrat at Alita Gravalia has officially
been sworn in as a member of Congress. Gravalia makes
history today is Arizona's first Latina congresswoman.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
He's following the footsteps.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Of her father, the late Representative Role Gravalia, who served
more than two decades of the House before passing away
in March. Typically, lawmakers electing the special races are sworn
in immediately, even when the House is not in session. However,
speaking of Mike, Johnson delayed gravoluus Old, stating.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
That it would he would have to wait until members
return from their break.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
While he actually was doing this because of the Epstein files.
Johnson ignored repeated calls from Democrats to let gravalue take
her seat, especially since he had sworn in two Republican
members earlier this year while the House was not in
session for business. He's what she had to say in
her first speech on the House floor.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
I really like this lady.

Speaker 16 (16:34):
While we celebrate this moment today, our American promise is
under serious threat. Basic freedoms are under attack, healthcare premiums
are skyrocketing. Babies are being ripped away from their parents
by massed agents.

Speaker 8 (16:50):
We can and must do better.

Speaker 16 (16:54):
What is most concerning is not what this administration has done,
but what the majority in this body has failed to do.
Hold Trump accountable as a coequal branch of government that
we are.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
It has been.

Speaker 16 (17:20):
Fifty days since the people of Arizona's seventh Congressional District
elected me to represent them, fifty days that over eight
hundred thousand Arizonans have been left without access to the
basic services that every constituent deserves. This is an abuse

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of power. One individual should not be able to unilaterally
obstruct the swearing in of a duly elected member of
Congress for political reason. Our democracy only works when everyone

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has a voice. This includes the millions of people across
the country who have experienced violence and exploitation, including Liz
Stein and Jessica Michaels, both survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
They are here in.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
The gallery with us this evening.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 16 (18:43):
Just this morning, House Democrats released more emails showing that
Trump knew more about Epstein's abuses than he previously acknowledged.
It's pastime for Congress to restore its role as a
check in balance on this administer and fight for we
the American people. We need to fight for our immigrant

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communities and veterans. We need to stand up for our
public schools, children, and educators. We need to respect tribal
sovereignty in our environment.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
We need to stand up for.

Speaker 16 (19:20):
LGBTQ plus rights because that's what the American people expect
us to do, fight for them. That is why I
will sign the discharge petition right now to release the
Ebstein file. Justice cannot wait another day. Gracias, thank you

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very much. I yield back.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Speaking of the Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
As Congress prepares to vote on the release of the
remaining documents. What twenty three thousand pages have already been
published by the Republican led House Oversight Committee. A lot
of that was already released. Democrats of the committee released
three key email chains sent between twenty eleven twenty nineteen,
which were obtained from Epstein's state as part of their
investigation into the convicted sex offenders case. These emails include

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the changes between Epstein connected traffickers Julaine Maxwell and writer
Michael Wolf, and one email Epstein claims that Donald Trump
spent hours at his home with a victim and knew
about the girls, allegedly referencing mar Largo.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
The White House is calling this a fake narrative.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Virginia Guffrey, the woman name was the victim insists that
Trump was never involving any wrongdoing. Notably, none of the
emails were sent to or received from Trump, and most
of these conversations occurred before his presidency. Trump has accused
of the Democrats of exaggerating the Epstein's story to distract
from the government shut down. Well, I mean, Larry, if
that was the case, then of why the Republicans fight

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so hard for this information not to be released?

Speaker 17 (21:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (21:11):
Yeah, there, I mean, we see, we heard Roland.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
We hear about the White House going full throttle on
this issue to make sure you know that this is
not released. I don't remember some guiding member of Congress
to the White House to discuss something that's sensitive and
allegedly had the eight you know, Attorney General among other
senior cabinet leaders there. They're in full panic mode and

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eventually all this information is going to come out one
way or the other. And the reality ruling is is
that I think that the issue is that we're forgetting
that there are individuals, women who were young ladies who
were victims of sexual assault, and that should be the
core issue and anyone with a conscience should want to
make sure that anyone who knew or was involved, is
held responsible and you can't you can't suggest that you're

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some kind of Christian or other religious believes of morals
and believe otherwise. And I don't care what party affilition
it is when it comes to individuals who involved. Everyone
should be held accountable, like I said, whether they were
involved or they're new. But the White House is doing
everything they possibly can to make sure that they throw
every kind of conspiracy theory against the wall and see

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if his supporters believe it in Roland. Unfortunately, I believe
a lot of them are.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's what's cracked me and Rebecca that if you just
want to insist Trump wasn't named, Trump had no involvement,
blah blah blah, Okay, then you should be saying, hey,
release everything.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
Roland.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
I'm old enough to remember last summer when there were
speculations of who was in the Epstein fouls, and on
social media there are purported lists of names of folks,
and I even distinctly remember this current president talked, oh,
the fouls should be released, so oh have the tables
have have definitely turned, especially when members of his government

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in the spring started to see the fouls and see
the contents of the fouls.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
All of a.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
Sudden in April and May we started to see a
slow walking or oh maybe these files needs to be
heavily redacted. What's going to be interesting whatever that is
released by the House is we're going to have to
pay attention to what has been redacted. We also have
to understand that an administration that has been held bent

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on not releasing the information in these files might have
had access to these files before they were released. So
there are some things we're going to have to take
with a grain of salt. But I'm calling all of
those trained journalists out there, if you are a journalist,
if you have a platform, make sure you're working with
reputed professionals to make sure you could comb through what's

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being released so you can understand how to talk about it.
I think this is going to be something that's going
to carry on the public's attention for a long time coming.
And some of the names in those files absolutely will
surprise the.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Public and these right wingers again, Zachary, they're just okay,
all right again, if y'all, if y'all, if y'all think
it clears him, go right ahead. But let's remember, Zachary,
it was the right who was pushing this stuff. It

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was a lot of these folks loving them, some Trump
who were pushing it, and they got mad when they
all mag of people started stalling.

Speaker 12 (24:42):
And they thought that they would never come. They thought
that they would never come. You know, I think that
they really looked at every single opportunity to make sure
that they didn't come.

Speaker 7 (24:51):
But it's here.

Speaker 12 (24:52):
The reckoning is around the corner, and the American people
are going to see what it really is and they're
going to have to make some very hard decisions for themselves.
The MAGA calls will have to grapple with who they
really are as people, as human beings. Are you able
to stomach standing behind someone who has been who is
capable of this type of activity, this type of criminality,

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this type of behavior, are this type of evil?

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Are you really.

Speaker 12 (25:18):
Able to live with yourself and still stand behind this
man and who he is, what he's done, and what
he stands for. That's where this is going. And I'm
to tell you right now, I'm damn happy for the
day and excited to see it. There hasn't been a
lot of good news. Last week was a good week.
This week has been a bad week, but right now
the table of turning and we may end up on

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a good note, and I'm excited to see it happen.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
All Right, a lot of folks are not feeling good
right now. There's a government shut down has caused a
lot of financial distress from millions of people, whether from
being laid off, not getting paid, or not. We're seeing
snap snap benefits folks have suffered in some way. In July,
while it Hup, personal finance website publishes findings on the
states with the highest levels of financial distress. The ranking

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was based on various factors, including rates, average credit scores,
and the frequency with which residents search for terms indicating
financial troubles such as.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Debt and loans.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
According to wallet Hub, state facing the highest flansion distress Texas,
Red State, Full about Florida, Red State, Full About Louisiana,
Red State, Fava, Nevada, Red State, Full about South Carolina,
Red State, Full about Oklahoma, Red State, North Carolina, Red State, Mississippi,

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Red State, Kentucky, Red State, Alabama, red State. I mean,
we could go on and on and on and on
and on with this, and you understand what we're getting here.
And so these same people, and understand, this distress we're

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talking about is not solely tied to the government shut down.
This distress is also tied directly, let me say it again,
is tied directly to Trump's economic policies. Now, many of

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y'all may have seen this idiot's interview with Laura Ingram
on Fox News where he says he owns he owns
this economy, but also you have to come to grips
with the reality of his role in causing this economic harm.
Now he's trying to float out here this idea of

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we're gonna give Era two thousand dollars. Yeah, Congress has
to pass that. Let's see if they do that to
add to the debt. Morgan Harper joins us right now,
director of policy and Advocacy at the American Economic Liberties
Project out of Columbus, Ohio.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Morgan, glad to have you here.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
So, Lorgan, do you find it interesting when you see
Scott Bassett going on television and Trump, all these different people,
and how all of a sudden it's like, yea, economies done,
it's a problem, And how they're so so they were
lying to themselves trying to dance out of this, but

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they cannot deny. Trump keeps lying by saying, oh, everything
is going down, price is going down.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
He's lying.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (28:30):
I think that there was this false sense among some,
not among us on this show, and certainly not with
you Roland, that there was some grand plan to what
these guys were doing, that there was going to be
this moment where everything turned and then we would see
the fruits of all of their proclamations about how they
were going to bring America back and make the economy

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stronger than ever. And month by month we've steadily seen,
even as maybe the stock market continues to rise, the
reality of what economic life is looking like for a
lot of Americans and the vast majority of Americans is
telling a very different picture. I mean, you know, I
saw something today the administration citing data from door Dash

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to prove that the economy is strong. I don't know
if you saw that rolling, but you have the CEO
of I think by definition, we.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
Can all agree. As an exploitative company.

Speaker 18 (29:24):
To its workers, they don't even want to claim that
they are workers, the independent contractors that they refuse to
call workers to get benefits, that they're saying, oh, the
basket of goods that people need for breakfast is going down.
So the economy must be strong. And we have the
White House that the administration, the national government that is
citing this company as proof that their economy is strong.

(29:48):
You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I would dare say that the people in those ten
states that where they have a lot of economic distress,
I would there say they aren't using door dash to
deliver food.

Speaker 18 (30:05):
Well, or they are, but let's be real, DoorDash is
not a career, okay. And even if people are rightly
using it to try to get as much money as
they can to try to fill gaps between different jobs
that they might have.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
That is not an economic plan.

Speaker 18 (30:21):
And the reality of the US economy right now is
that we have turned over the reins of this economy
to about seven companies, seven really large tech companies that
tell us that AI is the future and they're going
to build the future for us. And what we are
seeing on the ground are things like data centers that
we as taxpayers pay for that are a nuisance in

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communities that are fueling this supposed great technology that it's
actually ruining the lives of young people. We're seeing jobs
that are being destroyed. I mean, that's another fact that
the administration does not want to talk about, is how
many layoffs have happened. I think now we're seeing the
side of a million layoffs this year, the most layoffs
in twenty years in October. And so these are the

(31:05):
tail of I don't even want to say two realities.
One is a fantasy land that they have some kind
of idea about how to or any desire actually to
improve the lives of Americans. And the other is the reality,
which is a lot of people in your right before
the shutdown, we're struggling, and let's be honest, before this
administration struggling, and it really is becoming a bit of

(31:28):
a breaking point that we all need to come to
grips with, and that demands people of competence and good
intentions that are in charge of the government.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, I mean, look, look, we know they're lying.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And now they're delaying the.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Jobs report again and now suggesting oh, is going to
be sometime because they don't want that bad news every month.
And see what's going to be their excuse, now, Morgan,
Now that the government is going to be reopening, the
House is going to vote it's going to happen. So
I can't wait to hear what the excuse is going
to be on the first Friday in December.

Speaker 18 (32:06):
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm pretty skeptical that they're just
going to get back to work. And let I mean,
I don't doubt the quality of the career staff there,
the statisticians that usually put that data out. Whether or
not they will be free once back in their jobs
to actually do their jobs is a huge question mark.
I mean they've already said yeah that they don't even

(32:26):
want to go back and look at what happened October.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
They're just going to keep it moving.

Speaker 18 (32:30):
So that alone might compromise some of the overall aggregate
statistics that we're seeing come out of the administration from
here to the extent that we do see them. And look,
I mean, like I just said, they're pretty comfortable subbing
in data from a private corporation and calling that economic indicators, right,
instead of actually having the comprehensive data that the government

(32:52):
at the Bureau of Labor Statistics is used to. And again,
I mean, there's just so many indicators. I mean, another
one I'll throw out there that we're starting to see
this uptick in subprime borrowers, auto loan delinquencies. I mean
a lot of these, you know, the places that I'm
sure we're all familiar with.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
You go, you finance on the spot, you get a car.

Speaker 18 (33:12):
The consumers that are using those are now default to
increase in defaults that some of those companies are going bankrupt.
And this is another one of those potentially early signs
leading indicators of real trouble ahead. And so you know,
we have to continue and I'm going to say it again,
it's like the stock market is not the reality of
what is going on with the US economy.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
It's it's a data point.

Speaker 18 (33:34):
It is not complete, and we need to continue to
be outspoken about what the reality is that's happening on
the ground in our communities across the country, of what
this administration's policies are doing. And really, like you know,
I was saying before, when an economy that's been turned
over to a lot of very large corporations that are
comfortable to destroy.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Jobs rather than create them, what they're what they're causing too.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, and not only that, Morgan, and now we got
is these idiots proposed proposing a fifty year mortgage.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
What go ahead, take it away.

Speaker 18 (34:10):
Yeah, well, this is this is an interesting one. You know,
the fact that we have somebody in charge of the
FHF that is also compromised and having work.

Speaker 8 (34:23):
You know, Pulsi is who I'm talking about, the guy who.

Speaker 18 (34:25):
Supposedly, I guess, pitched Trump directly with this idea of
the fifty year mortgage.

Speaker 8 (34:32):
And just one day at mar A Lago and then
Trump just kind of tweeted it out and then that
became a.

Speaker 18 (34:39):
Potential policy, and it's it's just it's kind of absurd
that this is where we find ourselves. Because this guy
himself is in the home building industry. He has already
proven to be pretty corrupt, and so how he could
be in charge of this agency that's responsible for financing
a lot of the home building, the the mortgage industry

(35:02):
in this country is I don't I don't even know
what we do with that. And so you know the
fact that he's throwing out there this idea of fifty
year mortgage, that you're going to tie people up in
this that it's it's not gonna you know, a lot
of the money that you put into a mortgage at
the beginning is towards interest, so kind of extending that
period and delaying how soon people will get to equity,

(35:22):
which then continues to fuel activity in the housing market.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
I think that's why people had a lot of.

Speaker 18 (35:28):
Strong reactions to this, that this is a this is
a bad idea, even within the administration, that we're trying
to immediately backtrack once the President started promoting this idea
from PULTI.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
But see, see here's the thing here more going again.
We've talked about what's happening here, and we have to
confront the truth, and that is by twenty thirty, forty
percent of America's housing stock it's five years from now,
is going to be owned by Wall Street. These people

(36:01):
don't want do not want folks buying homes. They want
people to keep renting and paying higher and higher and higher.
And the reality is by proposing a fifty year mortgage,
so that means that oh, if you're thirty, you buy
a house, lest I'm going to pay it off when
I'm eighty. So all that's gonna do is and the

(36:24):
banks are sitting here going, oh man, we about to
get paid. I mean, I remember when I remember that,
I guess it was Mortgan This may have been two
thousand and seven and eight, and I remember I got
I had overpaid taxes, and.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
It was like a twenty five thousand dollars Yet.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, so I overpay.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Actually it happened a couple It happened a couple of times.
I overpaid taxes, got the money back, and and I
immediately applied it to the house I owned. And I
remember my financial advisor it's like, what do you.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Want to do that?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Because because we were able to write off the interest
paid on the house.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And I said, well, let's do some math here. I said,
in the next ten years, if.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just keep paying on the mortgage, I'm gonna be
able to write off the interest. But well, how much
am I paying an interest? I said, how about I
just pay the house off and now I own it outright,
and all I'm doing every year paying property taxes. That
to me made a hell of a lot more sense. Well,

(37:46):
that also did. That's exactly what I did, and it
was an absolutely smart play. Now there are some people
out there, Morgan who'll say, well, no, debt's good, that's fine.
I'm not interested in playing the debt game. But the
point there, I paid it off early so what, I
bought it in ninety nine and so now now something

(38:08):
you're talking about, you know, paying it off literally within
inside inside of ten years, you damn right, the dam
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I take that.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I bought it ninety nine and paid it off.
I think it was like an seven eight. But I
wasn't interested in paying interest on a house for thirty years.
It's just like when I bought a car. I paid
for the car in cash because I sat there and said,
wait a minute, why am I gonna pay interest every
month for four to five years on the car? If
you add up the interest you paying, hell, you paying for.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
Two or three cars.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And that's what's happening with the housing market.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
But it goes to show you these numbskulls in DC
all they want to do is empower and make richer
big companies.

Speaker 18 (38:53):
Well that I completely agree with. I mean, the only
thing I would add on the the you know, specific
loans that people might thinking, or the thirty year.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Mortgage whatever is.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
You know.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Part of the idea is.

Speaker 18 (39:03):
A lot of folks we have set up a system
supposedly trying to incentivize people to start a home, get
a single family home and then continue to be active
in the housing market. A lot of people might have
a first home that fits the needs of their individual
lives or their you know, the beginning of.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
Their family life with kids.

Speaker 18 (39:21):
That then it changes over time you might need more space.
So the longer you're locked in to that one mortgage
transaction role.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
Or exactly right, I don't know. I don't know how
much you know, I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Life has changed a lot.

Speaker 8 (39:34):
Over ten years. I don't know how much people expect
their lives to not change at all over fifty years.

Speaker 18 (39:39):
And think that the needs that they had for housing
when they were thirty something, you know, if they're lucky
to be able to purchase a home with a mortgage,
are going to be the same when they're eighty seems
very unlikely to me.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
And so, but that being said, I mean it.

Speaker 18 (39:55):
Having access to these types of financing tools does allow
people to get into the home market. But if you
are locked into a really long transaction, you kind of
lose the ability to have flexibility to then sell, you know,
you decide to sell earlier, use some of that equity
to get.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
Into a home, a different size home, et cetera.

Speaker 18 (40:14):
So uh, it's that think your mortgage overall is not
a good idea. I think mortgages and the length of them,
you know, depending on your situation, can make sense.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (40:23):
But but most importantly, you know the point that you
started with, we have not We are not currently seeing
a housing market that is working for that beginning family
that I described, or an individual that wants access to
be able to buy a single family home that is
increasingly out of reach for people for a number of reasons,
including that we're starting to see, you know, the corporatization
of housing and more uh more folks that are on

(40:46):
more companies that are on Wall Streets that are starting
to buy up. Now another thing that's happening, and actually
Economic Liberties where I work is about to put out a.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Paper on this next week.

Speaker 18 (40:55):
We're starting to see a lot more home building that
is like build to rent. So so you know, among
these very large homebuilder companies that are publicly traded on
Wall Street, they're not even trying to pretend like they're
creating housing for families to be able to build equity
and this will be an asset that will build well
for you.

Speaker 8 (41:14):
They're just like, no, no, no, we want you trap forever.

Speaker 18 (41:16):
And so we're building homes, single family homes to only
be rental homes.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
That's the play.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
And so I just need people to understand what is
going on here Donald the tech people, the real estate people,
the banking people, all these people. There's billionaires who are
supporting Donald Trump and raping, pillaging the US economy. They
want this pain. I'm telling oh, let's be real clear.
All right, these farmers, these maga farmers who are crying,

(41:50):
let me tell y'all, they're going to be buying your
land up.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's going to happen. See, so all these people, and
I'm telling you more.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
That's why I said sometimes you do have to let
things happen. And what these people are about to experience,
they are experiencing an economic calamity and they fail. For
Oh my god, when I get in the sun will
always shine.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
There will be no rain, there will be no wind, there.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Will be no cold. It will be perfect conditions at
all times. I will solve every problem. I will end
every war on day one, I will lower all prices.
On day one. I will be the savior of the world.
Now they're realizing that he's the devil and what they're

(42:43):
gonna blame Joe Biden the next four years. They're gonna
try to pin this on Obama. No, I guess so
I was like, you know what, y'all are about to
feel the pain. Congratulations, you did it to yourselves.

Speaker 8 (42:57):
Yes, I agree with you, rong.

Speaker 18 (42:59):
This is that almost what I would describe as like
the endgame, the acceleration of a lot of trends that
were already happening in the economy. So I agree Trump
his administration corrupt to this core. I don't know how
anyone could deny that at this point, certainly not working
in the best interests of the average American by including
a lot of people who voted for them.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
But I do think we also need to be honest.

Speaker 18 (43:22):
Just coming back to the housing finance point for example,
I mean, a lot of the trends that got us
to this highly consolidated housing market where we have, you know,
just a few big players in some cases that are
getting all you know, they're on the stock market trying
to appease their shareholders instead of creating those single family
home buying opportunities for the average family and individual. Is

(43:43):
by policies and deregulation that started under Jimmy Carter, that
was continued by Ronald Reagan, that moved into the nineties
and became the consensus of both parties.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
So I agree with you what we're seeing right now
is extreme.

Speaker 18 (43:57):
But again, a lot of this has been and slowly
building up over the last forty years because we have
had a lot of federal policy making that is being
driven by the interests of Wall Street over Main Street.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Oh yeah, I mean it's just and and again I
want people, I want people to realize what has happened
to ourn Ey County about to go to our panel
as well. Uh, what is happening to our economy right
now is more and more of this economy is frankly
driven by paper jobs, you know, really in the finance sector.
And what these people have got to understand is all

(44:35):
this taught Oh, Trump's gonna be manufacturing.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
In fact, there was more manufacturing created under President Biden.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Than you're seeing under Donald Trump. Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And to your whole point about AI, all of these people, Yeah,
all AI is just going to solve every every world problem.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
No it's not. No, it's not and so and all
of that. These companies are.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I mean, you know what, what Navidias now a trillion
dollar what five trillion dollars or whatever the hell they
made a profit. So I'm just sort of like, okay,
And to your point, everybody's going crazy the data centers
and all this sort of stuff. And I told somebody, somebody, somebody, uh.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
When we were in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Uh, they were like, well, you know your posed that.
I said, No, I said, I never ever said I
opposed data centers. What I said was, we had better
properly vet data centers to make sure that we're not
seeing the massive consumption of water. We better vet data
centers so we're not going to see utility rates explode

(45:38):
in rural America. We may want to vet data centers
to make sure that we're clear on the health implications.

Speaker 7 (45:45):
Yeah huh.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
And urban not just a real issue.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I mean look yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
The reason I the reason I said rule because what's
happening in Texas, Louisiana.

Speaker 19 (45:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
And so what's happening is they are specifically targeting rural areas.
And there are many politicians in rural America who are like, come, come,
come for the jobs. But there's a bunch of stuff
that also comes with that. And all I say it is,
you better be vetting it and talking to the experts

(46:20):
so you don't make a short term economic decision that
can have long term negative implications on your town, on
your county, on your region.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 18 (46:33):
Yeah, yeah, And I'm not I'm not, well, maybe I
am kind of anti I'm not anti technology. I think
we all have benefited from the development of technology. A
lot of these tech companies started out with innovations that
were value a value add to how we were interacting
with each other. But the reality is now we have

(46:55):
seven companies that are driving the central planning of the
United States America, and the government is secondary to what
they want. And these data centers are just one example
of that. On the ground that I agree with you,
I mean, I think the play is trying to get
folks in rural there. A lot of them are being
built in burial areas, but increasingly they depend on the
annexing of things like the water supply from cities like Columbus, Ohio.

(47:21):
That's going to increase the rates of water here, which
is an issue that our city council is talking about
just this week. So the issue from my perspective is
we're not We don't have a plan. The plan is
whatever these companies want, and we'll look up in ten
in twenty years and realize, oh, oh, they got exactly
what they wanted. We lost everything, and the government was

(47:44):
just kind of like on the sidelines. Unless we kick
things into high gear quite quickly and start to all
put a lot more pressure on what types of decision
had happen and have like a real government, a real
plan about how we're going to have an economy where
people are able to work, earn enough mone need to live,
start businesses, build.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Businesses that actually add some value, not just ruin the
mental health of young people.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Well, the thing for me is on this holdel, this
is a corrupt administration whose sole purpose is to get
richer by crypto in Silicon.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Valley and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So all these people going to if people are going
to realize by twenty twenty nine, they're going to look
up and realize, man, how much they rape and pillage
this country. And that's exactly what these people have in mind.
To the panel, Rebecca, your question for Morgan Harper, what's
happening with the American economy.

Speaker 9 (48:43):
Okay, Morgan, I'm trying to make sure that I'm fully
processing and understanding everything that you too said. So this
is what I heard from you is that with mortgage
is going to a fifty year term, which means it's
a lower monthly premium which gets more which creates more affordability.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
For people to be able to obtain a mortgage.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
But I'm also saying that groups like Fannie may is
going to lower the credit minimum in order to.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
Qualify for mortgages.

Speaker 9 (49:11):
So now what I'm hearing from that is that people
who might be less financially stable to be.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
Able to afford a long.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Term mortgage or going to be able to enter into
a market obtain mortgagests that are backed by the federal government.
And if they defought these companies maybe predatory who are
giving these mortgages to these people, will still be able
to get their money back from the government in the
case of a default. So this feels very two thousand

(49:43):
and six to me. Is this what I'm actually hearing?
Am I processing what you're saying correctly?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Well?

Speaker 18 (49:48):
To be clear, I mean, the fifty year mortgage thing
just kind of like came up out of nowhere, and
so I don't know that we know for certain how
it would play out.

Speaker 8 (49:56):
The proposal kind of assumes, if you want to call
at that, but like I said, it was it was suggested,
and it sounds like a.

Speaker 18 (50:03):
Pretty random way that this would somehow be more affordable
for the average American through a lower monthly payment. But
I don't I think experts are kind of split on this.
I with, you know, whatever the impact on interest rates is,
it might offset whatever you know that the decrease in
the monthly payment, So it's not totally clear that it.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
Would be cheaper.

Speaker 18 (50:22):
But the point that I was making is that it's
going to lock people into these transactions for a longer
period of time and limit their ability to potentially, you know,
refinance or trade up to try to get into a
bigger house or maybe whatever house you lock this financing
in for you want to downsize at some point before
you turn eighty, after fifty years of having the mortgage,

(50:45):
and so then you're going to be a little less
agile to be able to do that. I think what
you're describing about, you know, some of the credit risk
that that could also be a possible risk here though,
I mean that is something that is you know, kind
of baked into our system that the government is backing
up a lot of the securitization of loans that are
happening through the government sponsored entities.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Fanny and treading mac rolling to that as follow up.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Here, Zachary, Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
Okay, So Martyan, this is the better analogy where you
went from like forty eight to sixty months to seventy
two now ninety six month car loans and then people
keep rolling in some of the negative equity into the
next car when they keep upgrading their cars.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
I think that is.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
It is kind of a good analogy.

Speaker 18 (51:33):
And again I haven't looked deeply into this fifty year
proposal because it hasn't really been something.

Speaker 8 (51:37):
That's been suggested before.

Speaker 18 (51:39):
But yeah, it's it's not even if in the moment
it's getting you to something that feels like it's more affordable,
if long term it's just locking you into this relationship
with this one lender and then they're able to securitize
out of that long relationship with you to get more
money out of putting your the equity of your transaction
on the stock market. Well, that is almost always a

(51:59):
good deal for big banks and less of a good deal.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
For the average consumer who's taking out that type of.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
Lean Zachary Morgan, it's really mind blowing and it's really
great information that you're giving us. One thing that's really
baffling to me is how you know President Trump is
using the bulleypool pit to push on Americans the concept
that there isn't an affordability crisis, that these issues that

(52:28):
we know are real aren't real, that we're somehow imaging them,
That when we go in the grocery stores, prices aren't higher,
that when we're trying to get homes it's not harder.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
How can we fight back.

Speaker 12 (52:40):
Against the government telling us that we're not in an
affordability crisis when in reality we are, Like, what can
we do to really help our fellow Americans see the
truth behind what we're living within this Trump economy?

Speaker 18 (52:53):
Yeah, I think this is an area where we can
use the positive aspect of some of the technology and
the firms that we're talking about.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Is to tell our own story.

Speaker 18 (53:01):
You don't have to wait for the media to decide
what you're saying is accurate or important to know, just
kind of like hit the grocery store. I mean, I
would love to see people in reaction to this door
Dash survey of the American economy and how it's doing
that Breakfast is going down to do their own little
basket of goods and let the door Dash CEO know

(53:23):
what's actually happening. Even better, at a layer onto it,
you know how much you make in a week on
using door dash and how much of your expenses that covers.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
That would be interesting content.

Speaker 18 (53:34):
I think that would be content that would get the
attention of hopefully people's elected officials and eventually trickle up
to the president and media who's covering his promotion of
these things, and kind of like give them fodder for
questioning what he's saying. We've got to let all recognize
that we have a role to be playing here and
we're in a full on war for the future. And

(53:56):
I don't really use that term lightly, but I think
that's where we're at. We have one of the most
corupt administrations in history.

Speaker 8 (54:02):
Not that corruption didn't exist.

Speaker 18 (54:03):
Before, but it's extremely blatant with this administration, and they're
going to try to get as much out of it
as they can while they can and don't really care
about what's left on the other side for the rest
of us. So I think this is the time for
all of us to consider ourselves really active in this
fight and sharing our own story about the reality of.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
What's going on.

Speaker 11 (54:25):
Larry, Yeah, Morgan, I want to. I get the feeling
all these economic indicators. I'm getting really vibes we saw
on a recession during that began doing Bush Junior term
And to go an example of what I mean, I
saw on the newspaper Baltimore Banner a couple weeks ago
about is New York big based adventure company EGBE. I

(54:48):
believe that all these properties in Baltimore and then defaulted
on all the loans. And you talked about, you know,
kind of Wall Street, and we talked about Baltimore.

Speaker 10 (55:00):
To drop intment and crime.

Speaker 11 (55:02):
But then you take it that this company bought all
these homes and now defaulted and the economic impact that's
going to have. And I want you to even make
that connection between what we may see in terms of
some you know, foreclosures and how Wall Street is contributing
to this issue.

Speaker 8 (55:17):
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that company. So was that
a that was like a large property owner in Baltimore.
Are they national?

Speaker 12 (55:24):
Do you know?

Speaker 11 (55:26):
Yeah, they're based out of New York venture capitalists, and
they apparently.

Speaker 10 (55:28):
Got all these these loans and bought all these houses
in Baltimore then defaulted.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
Interesting.

Speaker 18 (55:35):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, and again I don't
know that specific company, but generally what's happening in the
housing market is this connection to Wall Street.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
I mean, this idea that we just had, like we.

Speaker 18 (55:47):
Had before the nineteen seventies and deregulation, the system was
very different. That was a situation where you would have
a whole different, different sizes of banks that were lending
to build holders to produce single family homes, homes of
different sizes, homes that would meet people at different income levels,
and that was all financed by the federal government.

Speaker 8 (56:10):
When we deregulated, we kind of took away.

Speaker 18 (56:13):
That layer of the banking industry that would support a
different range of home builders, many of whom were rooted
in their local communities to be able to meet the
needs of that market, and we turned the housing industry
over to Wall Street. And so it's no surprise that
by the nineties then we started to see a lot
of the you know, large homebuilders were going public, you know,

(56:36):
throughout that decade, and once you go public, you have
to appease your shareholders. And so, you know, part of
why we look around and see like, oh, there's this
housing gap. We need to have more supply. Why are
people building The answer is partly because they don't have to,
and so you have a really really limited supply of housing.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
And then to your point or the example you're mentioning,
you know, then.

Speaker 18 (56:59):
You have folks, okay, well, as the prices of that
existing housing stock go up and up and up because
there's limited supply, who's able to play in that market? Well,
the people that have the most capital, and a lot
of times those will be more of these you know
LLCs and private equity that might be able to then
buy up some of these houses in bulk. And they

(57:20):
want their game there is to scale as much as
they can to reduce their costs and increase their cash flow.
And so if it's they're not going to make as
much money of trying to like, oh, we'll redo a
home and then find the perfect family to buy it
so they can build their life, it's like no, no,
we're gonna we're going to redo this home. So we
can start renting out to people, you know, try to

(57:42):
get fees on top of whatever they're paying for rent,
and extract as much money out of them as possible
as quickly as we can. Now, if some of those
companies then decide to start making risky bets with their
portfolio of housing, like you say, you know, happening potentially
with this group.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
In Baltimore, well then they they go under.

Speaker 18 (58:01):
And then that just eliminates a whole set of what
was you know, maybe even not that affordable, but at
least some significant chunk of a housing market in particular
area that might have been available for people who are renting.
And so, you know, the housing market, I think can
sometimes seem, you know, from like a policy or whatever,
like very complex. But I think the most important point

(58:22):
to take away from our discussion on this front is,
right now we have a housing market that is dominated
by the interests of Wall Street.

Speaker 8 (58:29):
It doesn't have to be this way.

Speaker 18 (58:31):
Before the nineteen seventies, we had a much more diverse
finance market with different sizes of banks and different types
of builders that was creating the different types of housing
that actually met the needs of working people throughout this country.
We can get back to that, but it is going
to require a different type of approach from the government
than we've had since we began deregulating in the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
And listen, to deal with the reality of housing, you're
also going to have to have these cities getting away
from this bogus bullshit Morgan of these developers who want
to build housing tie to anchor stores and restaurants and
shops and others, when reality, all they're looking for are

(59:18):
in these condos, if you will, are half a million,
seven hundred and fifty thousand, a million dollars. And we're
seeing this all around the country, and I'm always I
go to these cities and I see this stuff, and
I'm going, who the hell's gonna afford living here? You
see what happened. All of these people rushed into Nashville
and they exploded with housing, all this very high housing

(59:43):
in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Guess what.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Enough people to put them in there? Who can afford it?
And you're not going to have a country You're not.
I'm sorry, I don't care what. You can't keep going
to these places and starting cost of homes are four
and five hundred thousand dollars or seven nundi fifty thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
One million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Ain't enough people making that kind of money to live
in these places.

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
Right absolutely.

Speaker 18 (01:00:11):
And yeah, and I think that connects to the question about, well, yeah,
who can afford to buyo you know, housing at that
level is people that already have a lot of money.
It's not you know, you know what I mean, it's
like working every day and trying to like hobble together savings.
So it just it kind of reinforces or opens up
this lane for you know, private equity funds, et cetera

(01:00:31):
to be able to gobble up and build out these portfolios.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
But I do think it's important to note.

Speaker 18 (01:00:36):
I mean, the you know, the percentage of the overall
housing stocked out the country that's owned by you know,
pe firms and these corporate landlords isn't as large. I
think it's you know, we have to look at some
of these other factors that are playing into.

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
Why we have limited supply. And I agree with you Roland.
I mean I think one of the things that has
prevented us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Well, well, well, first of all, first let's be clear,
we have limited supply because the two thousand and eight
house foreclosure crisis completely stifle the housing market for a decade.
Between twenty and ten and twenty twenty, we built the
fewest amount of housing since the nineteen thirties. And when

(01:01:14):
we built that few number of homes in nineteen thirties,
that's what led to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
The Federal Housing Authority.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Okay, So then you go from twenty ten to twenty twenty,
and then you go twenty twenty to present day. So
we're now in the second decade where we are building
fewer houses.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Than we built since the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
We were building anywhere from we were building anywhere from
oh my, you're talking about anywhere from ten to fourteen
million houses per decade. Well that completely changed with that
foreclosure crisis. And so you know, matter of fact, I mean,
I talk about this so much.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Give me one second.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I want to see if I can Okay, let's see
if I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Can pull this up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So let's see if I can pull this up. Let's go.
Let's go. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Well that didn't take give me one second. So the
bottom line is, I'm looking right here. In nineteen thirty
to nineteen thirty nine, we built two point six seven
million homes nineteen forty to nineteen forty nine four point
seven nine million, then it jumped to ten point oh eight,

(01:02:29):
and then nine point four nine. Nineteen seventy to seventy
nine was twelve point three seven, nineteen eighty to eighty
nine was twelve point one four, nineteen ninety to nineteen
ninety nine was twelve point four nine, two thousand, two
thousand and nine was fourteen point five six. T ten
to twenty nineteen was six point nine. That was the

(01:02:50):
lowest amount of housing built since nineteen forty to nineteen
forty nine. And so that's what that's what we're facing,
the home for closure crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
What took place, Those.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Subprime loans, all that financial ji caanery from Wall Street
spook developers, and we're now still here. We are twenty
twenty five, still dealing with an issue that was exacerbated
and created in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
Yeah, I agreed with that.

Speaker 18 (01:03:22):
The other thing I would note, though, is that after
the financial crisis, some of the government's responses to that
did they gave preferential treatment to larger developers in the
form of tax credit. You're gonna love this paper we're
putting out rolling so I'm gonna make sure to send
it to you when it comes out next week. But
they did favor some of the large developers who are
able to withstand the crisis better, and then that further

(01:03:45):
pushed small medium sized.

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
Home builders out of business.

Speaker 18 (01:03:49):
And these large developers responses to Wall Street, they do
not have to build if they don't want to build.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Well, and again one of the other and one of
the other big mistakes, and we just have to be
very honest here. It was a mistake of the Obama administration.
Well Bush then Obama to bail out the banks and
allow them to use that money to fortify their balance sheets.

(01:04:20):
And what if they do they held onto those homes, Morgan,
and they then said, oh, we no longer have distressed properties,
so now we're going to hold onto these homes. And
then when the real estate market housing market rebounded, they
then begin to sell twenty and twenty five thousand blocks
of homes to private equity. And so you were a

(01:04:45):
husband and a wife and you would looking you saved
your money up and you got your credit straight, and
you were looking to get.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Your first house.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You couldn't compete against private equity. And so we saw
this take place in Arizona, we saw this in Texas, South,
this in Georgia, and so now all of a sudden
that also contributed to the problem because you had people
who normally the cycle of life, who normally should have
been making their way from renting into owning.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
They couldn't compete when.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
The banks unloaded all of those homes to private equity.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:05:24):
Absolutely, I think that this is a really important conversation
for us to be having, especially as we look ahead
to the next couple of years to you know, is
going to be and we've already seen the start of
election season since last week, but this is one of
the areas where I do think it's really important that
we're honest about some of the mistakes that we're made

(01:05:46):
so that we can.

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
Actually start to fix some of these problems.

Speaker 18 (01:05:50):
The other thing I would note is, you know, just
talking about the interplay between local government and some of
the federal or the national trends that are happening. You know,
what we've also seen is as some local governments, you know,
maybe has a strong leader that's trying to put in
more you know, tenant protections or limitations on just how
much you know, how many fees a landlord could charge

(01:06:11):
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:06:12):
Then those landlords that are often operating as these LC's
the kind of like more regionalized or nationalized housing portfolios
are just packing up shop and moving moving to the
localities where they don't have as much don't have as
many rules in place, right, And so it's kind of

(01:06:32):
this like regulation arbitrage is like, oh, you're trying to
tell us what we can and cannot charge people. Well,
we just want to get out of the state altogether,
and we'll go where we can treat people like didn't get.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
As much money from them as possible.

Speaker 18 (01:06:46):
So again, you know, I think that is another reason
to call for you know, more of like a national strategy.
But but yeah, really really important to reflect on how
we got here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
And again, so I know there are people who are
watching who are saying, oh my god, y'all are just
going down this path.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
And it's absolutely driving me crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
But I need people to understand that when we're having
this conversation, y'all gotta be prepared for what's about to
go down.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
We are seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Morgan mentioned earlier the massive layoffs you hear. Look, I
just got a earlier today Omniicom or whatever the hell
there's an ad agency IPG that bought them. You know,
they're sitting here laying off some thirty two hundred people.
What AI is going to do, I mean Amazon, what
they're about to do. And so all of these people

(01:07:36):
who are claiming AI is going to be the savior
of the world, We're going to be talking about hundreds
of thousands of jobs. And these are going to be
morgan highly educated, some college degree, high school diplomas. People
need to understand what's about to go down, and I'm
telling you it's going to be ugly in these these

(01:08:00):
tech tycoons and these billionaires, they don't care they are operating. Look,
these company CEOs, CEO pay has never been at its
largest in American history. The gap between the average pay
of a worker and the CEO has never been this high.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
And so folks better buckle up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Because what we have right now in Washington, DC, with
this corrupt White House and with Republicans controlling the House
in the Senate is if you are a big big business,
if you are billionaires, your ola guards, if you are
these type of people, you are in the best position

(01:08:42):
to do whatever you want without any government oversight. Donald
Trump is letting all those people, the Consumer Financial Protection
Bureau hit. They are letting us people walk free. And
we're about to see corporate America run amok because you've
got an administration that says y'all can do whatever y'all want,

(01:09:05):
and all that bullshit with Republicans and the American worker.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It's lies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
They are not standing up for the American worker, and
that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Final comment, Morgan.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
Two final points. One.

Speaker 18 (01:09:18):
I mean, everything that we've just talked about with the
housing market is somewhat unique because of how much the
government's involved in the housing market, but in some ways
not these financial The financialization of these large housing and
homebuilders is the same dynamic that's happening across the economy.

Speaker 8 (01:09:33):
Like you know, United Healthcare, Airlines.

Speaker 18 (01:09:36):
These companies are as much banks at this point and
playing financial trickery than actually like adding or building product
or providing a service.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
I think that's important for all of us to understand.

Speaker 18 (01:09:48):
The other the other point I would make, and ending
on a somewhat more positive note, is you know.

Speaker 8 (01:09:52):
There's an alternative path. We have built things before.

Speaker 18 (01:09:56):
We can have an economy that's rooted in that I
think none of us have to look very far in
our daily lives and see problems or issues that we
could apply some skill sets and talent to and improve
the lives of everyone and ourselves around us.

Speaker 8 (01:10:10):
So let's focus on that, and that's those.

Speaker 18 (01:10:14):
Are the kinds of plans we need to be putting
together when we hopefully get to the next phase of
all this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yep, Morgan Harper, we appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
Thanks a lot, good to see you. Thanks rollin.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
All right then final come with a pant you know, Rebecca,
I'm telling you, I guarantee you they're somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
They're like, oh okay, men, my eyes are glossing over.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
You know this stuff you are talking about, but you're
not going to see. And I'm telling you, I spent
six years in ce A And if you turn the CNBC,
if you turn to Bloomberg, they are not having conversations
about this economy, about how impacting workers. They are not

(01:10:57):
because I need people to understand the financial networks. They
treat the stock market like, Okay, I'm at the PGA,
I'm at I'm here in Bermuda for the Butterfield Bermuda Championship.
Bertie Bertie Bertie, Ego, Bertie Bertie. They don't celebrate bogies

(01:11:20):
and double bogies. They want to see basketball scores higher, higher, higher.
They want to see more touchdowns in football. They are
economic cheerleaders. These networks do not want to bring any
real understanding. They are focused on Wall Street, they are
focused on CEOs. They're not focused on the people who

(01:11:44):
work for government, who supply their pension fund dollars is
what drives Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
They ain't talking about those workers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
And so we have to people need to understand what
we are about to embark on is a dramatic reshaping
of the American economy. And with this case in the
White House and with these Republicans controlling Congress, they are
going to let corporate interests do whatever they want. There

(01:12:15):
are no restraints, and that is absolutely scary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Rebecca.

Speaker 9 (01:12:21):
You know, Roland, we spent about the last fifteen minutes
of the show talking about the economy. The reason why
that's so important is that over the last few weeks
we've been talking about the government shut down, the media
impact to the federal government workers, and we've been talking
about folks across the country who receive snap benefits and
who haven't been able to use those snap benefits since

(01:12:46):
the government shut down. But while we were all talking
about those very pressing issues, and those are very pressing issues,
those are also short term issues. What's happening is these
large corporations, these oligarchs, we're having conversations about trillion dollar
evaluations of their companies. I just want people, want that

(01:13:07):
to sink in for people.

Speaker 8 (01:13:08):
I remember twenty years ago, the idea of.

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
Being a millionaire having a million dollars liqu at cash and.

Speaker 8 (01:13:13):
The bank was a very big deal.

Speaker 9 (01:13:15):
That's say million dollars of cash. If you're fortunate or
lucky enough to have that in your savings. It doesn't
go very far now, just the scale, like you talked about,
by twenty thirty, when we're looking at all of these oligarchs,
how they are literally carving up the American economy and
they're tanking. They're taking taxpayers dollars and they're figuring out

(01:13:37):
how they get to spend it, how their companies could
be subsidized. It's a completely different game that's being played here.
In fact, the last thing I want to say here,
especially when we're talking about the housing market and we
think about some of these rules that are changing.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
There are vcs venture capitalist.

Speaker 9 (01:13:55):
Firms that are buying five hundred thousand doors one million dollars,
and they're buying them not just in urban corridors, but
also in rural areas. When you ask your relatives or friends,
or you yourself live in a rural area, those small homes,
those one or two bedroom apartments, now those are also.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
Skyrocketing and prices.

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
It's not just cities like Washington, d C. Or Chicago
or LA or New York that has a two or
three or four thousand dollars a month a two bedroom
or even one bedroom. That's also happening in rural areas
where things are going fifteen hundred dollars, two thousand dollars,
twenty five hundred dollars. In essence, what we are seeing

(01:14:38):
is that Americans are being boxed out of the American economy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Well, you know, there were a lot of corporate people
Larry who did not like Lena Kahn when she was
over the Federal Trade Commission. They couldn't they couldn't stand her.
They couldn't because she was blocking mergers. And I'm telling
you right now you take listen. The Trump people, Okay,

(01:15:07):
the paramount acquisition by sky Dance, and now Paaramount is
talking about or they've submitted several offers to buy Warner Discovery. Well,
guess what. The film industry in Georgia has completely evaporated.
I mean it has been estimated some twenty thirty thousand

(01:15:28):
jobs lost. Now you have the Department of Justice in
California said, hey, they're going to be investigating this Warner
Discovery thing because it's going to lead to more jobs.
And if people understand when you have mergers and acquisitions
and when you have monopolies, that means people are going
to get laid off. And they hated Lena Khan because
she didn't improve the Jet Blue merger with Spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
She didn't improve several others.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
And they hated her for that. But her whole deal
was this is going to lead to lack of competition
and massive job laws. And so folk got to understand
what's happened before our very eyes.

Speaker 11 (01:16:11):
Yeah, Roland, we're living in a period where they're robbing
from the poor and.

Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
Given to the rich.

Speaker 11 (01:16:18):
You know, Rebecca called of oligarchs, and I mean that's
that term purpose It really describes what we're experiencing. The
Zuckerberg and these you know, these basos and these ultra rich.

Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
Billions soon to be in the case of some trillionaires.

Speaker 11 (01:16:35):
And the United States is getting you know, the average
United States citizen is getting robbed blind. And we've got
three more years of this. The most troubling part is
a lot of American working class, middle class folks, far
too many of them, voters for this, and the economic
despair that this country is going to experience between we
talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:16:54):
Affordable care at subsidies, the.

Speaker 11 (01:16:58):
Dramatic increase in the unemployment rate, particularly we talk about
certainly we see when the black community, you know, with
a sev seventy point four percent of whatever it is
right now. In addition to that, the number of bankruptcies,
and then you know, I shared the story I talked
about what happened with this venture capitalist firm, which Rebecca
you know, talked about that in terms of what they're doing,
they're they're robbing, they're undermining what the American dream is,

(01:17:22):
and they're robbing us blind. And the administration doesn't care.
Throw me a million dollars for the ballroom, or come
give me a gold cup with my name on it,
or a crown and I'll bless you and tell you
to go on and continue to rob.

Speaker 10 (01:17:42):
The poor folks.

Speaker 11 (01:17:43):
And I just don't Americans don't know the level of
despair we're going to experience over the next couple of years.

Speaker 10 (01:17:52):
We're already in a recession. I hear this.

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
You know, let's talk the last couple of weeks of
we're getting there, but we're already in a recession.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Well, Zachary, here's a perfect example. This is just understanding
wherever we're going. You take you take a Mackenzie McKenzie Scott.
Mackenzie Scott has donated the last five years close to
seven hundred million dollars just to HBCUs, just to HBCUs.
Yet if you look at the giving, you look at

(01:18:22):
the giving of the Eli Musk, Jeff Bezos, they got
more money and hurt don't come close.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
And the granted she's Jeff Bezos's ex wife.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
I was reading a story of how Warren Buffett there
was a giving pledge where he agreed to give nine
nine percent of his wealth away before before he passed away. Well, then,
so I saw the story and it said it was like,
I don't think it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Said twenty three people agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
To it or something like that, but only nine are
continuing with it. So why am I stating that, because
what we're now facing, we're now facing Let's make.

Speaker 14 (01:19:01):
More more more more more more more.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And to Rebecca's point, where we're in this thing where
it's no, no, no, I need more, I need more. And
so there's a larger concentration of America's wealth in the
hands of the richest of the rich. And the only
way they can make more is if everybody else makes less.

(01:19:28):
That's the only way. And they don't care because now
it's about, Hey, I need a bigger yacht. No, no,
I'm sorry, I'm Jeff Bezos.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I need a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Second yacht to follow my large yacht because I need
the second yacht to carry the stuff on it. Then
we can't fit on the large yacht. And it's the
no my private plane. I mean, it goes on and
on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
And it's actually not about people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
And I'm trying for the people who are sitting here,
all of these people who thought Trump is their savior.
Don't the Democrats have forgotten the working class? The democrats,
I'm like, oh, y'all are about to see these rich
folks get more wealth than they could have thought about

(01:20:23):
in the next three years. It's going to be ugly,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
A whole bunch of mag of voting people who are
gonna be crime. My god, what happened. And all we're
gonna do is we tried.

Speaker 18 (01:20:37):
To tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
It is ugly.

Speaker 7 (01:20:41):
It's gonna get a lot ugly. It's going to be
as ugly as jd Vance.

Speaker 12 (01:20:46):
After a weekend with Peter Till speaking of the filthy
rich and the filthy people in general, rolland you know,
you brought up and mentioned earlier Lena Kahan, and it's
you know, it's so crazy that you brought her up
because I was reading about her today and the work
that she is now doing with Ziram Donnie's mayor transition team.
And it's really great to see people who are in
regards really focused on progressive academic policies being kept into

(01:21:11):
the spotlight to do the work. You talked about, Jeff Bezos,
and you talked about, you know, a Musk and how they're.

Speaker 7 (01:21:16):
Not giving it Roland.

Speaker 12 (01:21:17):
They're given they're given, they're given to Donald Trump, they're
giving to the former East wing of the White House
that's now being turned into some kind of ballroom and
maybe some kind of escape bunker. Like they're giving, they're
just not giving to the American people. So Hughes shout
out to McKinsey Scout, so thankful the work she's doing
to stand in the gaps as our HBCUs are consistently

(01:21:38):
losing funding, as the American people of the American work
are consistently being.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Hurt by these policies.

Speaker 12 (01:21:42):
And yeah, this is absolutely timeframe when the American billionaires
are moving to gain more money and gain more wealth
by the policies being put in place out of Trump administration.
But you know what, that's our fault. That's that's your fault.
That's my fault. That's your fault because we're the ones
making the money. They are giving us less, they're working

(01:22:03):
us more, and we have the onus and the responsibility
to stop this lies with us.

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
We have to fight back.

Speaker 12 (01:22:09):
That's why during the upcoming economic blackout, we've got a
fucking blackout. We've got to black out, no shopping, no buying,
crush the sales for Black Friday. We have to hit
Amazon where it hurts in the same way that we
hit Target where it hurts. We got to hit some
four where it hurts because they want to mock us.
We have to do our part as the people to
fight back with every means possible. And that's what I'm

(01:22:32):
all about, what's coming this month of the boycott and
what will happen afterwards, because.

Speaker 7 (01:22:37):
Yeah, the government's going to continue to give them breaks.
The government's going to continue to help them get rich.

Speaker 12 (01:22:41):
But we have the economic power to hold back and
to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
It, and we have to exercise it, all right, folks,
hod Ty, one second we come back, a federal judge
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Speaker 19 (01:23:48):
In this country right now, you have people get up
in the morning and the only thing they can think
about is how many people they can hurt. And they've
got the power. That's the time for morning, for.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
Better or worse.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
What makes America special, it's that legal system that's supposed
to protect.

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
Minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 20 (01:24:08):
We are at a point of a moral emergency. We
must raise a voice of outrag, We must raise a
voice of compassion, and we must raise a voice of unity.

Speaker 19 (01:24:23):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.
We are in a crisis of civilization, a humans rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself. And guess what, You've
been chosen to make sure that those that would destroy,
those that would hate, don't have the final say, and

(01:24:45):
they don't ultimately win.

Speaker 17 (01:24:47):
This week on the other side of change.

Speaker 21 (01:24:49):
Book fans anti intellectualism and Trump's continued war on wisdom.

Speaker 22 (01:24:53):
This is a coordinated backlash to progress. At the end
of the day, conservatives realize that they couldn't win a
debate on facts instead of using our language against us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Right, Remember when we were all woke and the woke
movement and all that.

Speaker 22 (01:25:07):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
Now everything is anti work.

Speaker 22 (01:25:09):
Right when we were talking about including diversity, equity, inclusion,
and higher education. Now it's antidi all this our efforts
to suppress the truth, because truth empowers people.

Speaker 23 (01:25:18):
You're watching the other side of Change only on the
Black Start Network.

Speaker 14 (01:25:23):
Next on the Black Tape with Me Greg. The United
States is the most dangerous place for a woman to
give birth among all industrialized nations on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Think about that for a second. That's not all.

Speaker 14 (01:25:36):
Black women are three times more likely to die in
this country during childbirth than white women.

Speaker 24 (01:25:43):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist. There are a lot
of white supremacists ideas and mythologies around black women, black
women's bodies, even black.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
People that we experience.

Speaker 14 (01:25:55):
Payless right activists, organized and fearless freedom fighter Munifa Ikinwooley
Bandelay from Moms Rising joins us and tells us this
shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted in unadulterated
races and that's just one of her fights.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Malifa Bandeley on the next Black Table. Here on the Black.

Speaker 7 (01:26:18):
Start Lil Thompson with Women with Black Men dot Org.
You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
A federal drudge has ordered the release of hundreds of
people swept up in a controversial immigration crackdown in Illinois.
Used District Judge Jeffrey Cummings says more than six hundred
people arrested under Operation Midway Blitz must be granted bond
by noon on November twenty first. Attorneys for the plaintiffs
say the government detained more than three thousand people between
June in October during the ICE led operation. Cummings order

(01:27:04):
the Department of Justice to review all remaining arrest and
have a list by November nineteenth. A spokesperson for the
Department of Homeland Security says ICE operations in the Chicago
area are expected to continue now. Keep in mind, the
head of the Border Patrol was slapped down by a
federal judge who said they lied to the court, they

(01:27:25):
lied about their reasoning for tossing tear Guys, what we
are seeing without a doubt, Zachary. We are seeing these thoughts.
And we said this before the election, and Donald Trump
said themselves that they were going to let law enforcement
do whatever the hell they want to, and that's what
we're seeing. He's now sending federal law enforcement into Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
He's expanding this. He is saying to these people.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Y'all can do whatever y'all want, when y'all want. You
don't have to worry about any repercussions.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I got you.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
And it makes no sense that these people that have
been given extensive powers, extensive funding, are allowed to violate
the civil.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
Liberties of Americans.

Speaker 12 (01:28:12):
And it is going to be a true test of
the court who have continuously count out to Donald Trump,
who's continuously given into every single wim, wish and demand,
if they're going to blatantly disobey the law. As American
citizens sue, as American citizens raise their voices, American citis
continue to fight back against the abuses that we and

(01:28:32):
our fellow Americans are facing at the hands of Ice
and the whole entire detention process. I'm amazed that this
has been able to go on as far as it has,
and that there are not as many judges like this
is what we're seeing in Chicago, willing to stand up
and willing to do what is right.

Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
It's going to make it all.

Speaker 12 (01:28:48):
They to the Supreme Court, and I'm really waiting for
that day to see how they're going to rule, because really,
don't let us know the truth, Like that's the that's
like the finest line, the bottom line. If they're not
willing to protect the the latent vices of the everyday people,
then we really do not have any help.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Larry, pure and simple.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
These people, their behavior is shocking, stunning, it's thuggish, it's despicable,
and that all describes Donald Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:29:25):
Yeah, this whole situation with Isis actually Roland was quite
predictable if you understand history or authoritarianism throughout the world.
This is just one step in the many when you
have individuals control by the government, wearing masks, grabbing whoever
they want without any repercussion and disappearing them and in
the case in this administration, sending them to parts of
the world where they only speak the same language. And

(01:29:46):
so this will increasingly happen Roland and less Americans stand
up and it just not at the ballot box.

Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
You can't.

Speaker 11 (01:29:56):
If you don't, if we don't stand staff ass now,
then the doors will really fly off the hinges and
we're going to be in serious trouble. You know, we
talk about, you know, historically in terms of disappearing people
and hearing the United States and these facilities they are
being placed in.

Speaker 10 (01:30:12):
We're hearing that.

Speaker 11 (01:30:14):
The conditions that deplorable people aren't getting their medication, et cetera.
But ultimately, not only in terms of authoritarianism, but if
you understand how white supremacy works here in the United
States historically and throughout the world, then all of this
makes sense because it's all rooted in this And for
those other groups that voted a few months ago and thought,

(01:30:35):
and you know, you hear them now, I never thought
it was me. That gets to my point about white
supremacy and also anti blackness in the United States, that
we have to pay for the mistakes other people have
made based on the fact that they thought it would
never that none of these troubles woul knock on their door.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yeah, I mean, and they are letting them run them up,
and he is treating federal law enforcement like is his
personal security for us, Rebecca, exactly what we told people
was going to happen.

Speaker 9 (01:31:10):
We've had presidents who were career politicians, We've had presidents
who were former military officials. We even had presidents who
are slavers. Currently, we have a president who is who
is a mobster. We have a president who does criminal
activity using even as an elected official. But here's the

(01:31:34):
thing that folks really need to pay attention to is
last week Steve Bannon told a crowd of people that
if this president's administration doesn't maintain power and keep power
in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, all of them,
including Steve.

Speaker 8 (01:31:51):
Bannett, are going to prison.

Speaker 9 (01:31:53):
And guess what the reason why he said that is
because he understands the criminal activity that they are now
associated with. I'm an attorney, but I'm no one's attorney
who is watching this broadcast. I will say for education
purposes is that if you are at work and you're
doing criminal activity, you still could be held liable criminal
criminally liable for that criminal activity. Don't let this president

(01:32:17):
confuse you or fool you. You can go to prison
if you are committing i'm felonies and if you are
breaking the law. Look under every regime that we've seen
where they have been engaged in criminal activity, there were
Nuremberg trials, there was an accounting for what happened.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
And so people have to understand this the way.

Speaker 9 (01:32:38):
It may be sweet right now, but it won't always
be sweet. And so if you are involved in an
administration that is doing things that may not be on
the right side of the law, you're really going to
have to think about the personal consequences in your future.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Well, listen, you know, these people, uh are showing us
who they are. And I just hope people understand that
that these ice officers, Uh. The first of all, let's
be real clear, and this is the other thing that
jumps out there. We don't even know who the hell

(01:33:15):
these people are. We don't know if they are oath keepers,
we don't know if they are proud boys, we don't
know if they're bounty hunters. We have no idea who
the hell these people are masquerading as law enforcement.

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
Well, and this is what you point you made is
really important. When we can go back to the history
of lawn. You know, look at law enforcement and how
mimy in towns and cities throughout the country decades ago
were members of the KKK. Right, we have that history,
and you know, we've seen these recruitment events that have
it throughout the country. And I've seen some of these
interviews with some of these people and some of the
things they have to say why they want to be

(01:33:52):
isations are troubling.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
So we don't even know. And we know this vedding.

Speaker 11 (01:33:56):
Process to hire new people to bring in them to
ICE or questionable at best. And Roland, you know, we
know that you know US military from from from research
we know and also from various law enforcement agencies that
it has a tendency to attract a certain kind of person.
And that's why you see many of these ICE agents

(01:34:17):
went behind these masks, gleefully telling people that they don't
mind in fridging on their constitution, right because you can't
see their faces, they can't have to be held accountable,
and they know that no one from the administration is
going to do anything about it. That's why you see
this level of brutality.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Yeah, and that's the thing for me that I think
is most bothersome here Zachary. We don't know who the
hell these people are. There's no level accountability. And Christy
Nolan doesn't give a doesn't give a damn. Her boyfriend
coral Lewandowski doesn't care. They're doing the bidding of Trump,
and so we don't We don't even know if these
people are actually certified approved law enforcement. We don't know,

(01:34:57):
and they don't care. And this whole deal all no,
the need docs whatever. Oh, they don't want us to
know those people are because they know these people are
not actual law enforcement.

Speaker 12 (01:35:09):
And it hearkens back to so many historical wrongs that
have been done in the past. It hearkens back to
it goes, look, this is very cool, Cook's clannish.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
Let's just keep it plain, and let me make it plain.
It's simple.

Speaker 12 (01:35:22):
There was a reason why clansmen wore hoods to protect
their identity. So as a terrorized black people in the
South and all across this country. And unfortunately, we have
now legitimized terror that we have legitimized domestic terrorists, and
we have made domestic terrorists part of the government's effort

(01:35:43):
to enforce its laws.

Speaker 7 (01:35:45):
And people don't want to say that. People don't make
it plain.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
But it's clear.

Speaker 7 (01:35:48):
Why are you hiding and playing sight?

Speaker 12 (01:35:50):
If what you're doing is above board, if what you're
doing is right, if what you're doing is in accordance
with actual laws, you wouldn't be You'll be proud of
the position. There's no job I've ever had that I
wasn't proud to have. From bagging grocery, sorting produce, whatever
it was, I was proud of that job. But now
we have an entire group of people, a group of

(01:36:12):
law enforcement officers with the power of the American government
invested within them, who are hiding every single day, angry,
angry when their masks can pull down, angry when they
record it, because they're afraid of being dark, because they
know at their heart that what they're doing is fucked
up and wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Well, that is certainly the case. Sorry, folks, So tight
one second. We'll be right back on our tech talk segment.
Can AI actually find you a mate?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
My next guest say is yes, We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
You're watching rolland mard gunfilter on the Blackstor Network.

Speaker 17 (01:36:54):
Squeak on the other side of change.

Speaker 21 (01:36:56):
Book fans anti intellectualism and Trump's continued war and will this.

Speaker 22 (01:37:00):
Is a coordinated backlash to progress. At the end of
the day, conservatives realized that they couldn't win a debate
on facts instead of using our language against us.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Right, remember when we were all woke and the woke movement.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
And all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:37:14):
Now everything is anti woke.

Speaker 22 (01:37:16):
and higher education. Now it's antidi all this our efforts
to suppress the truth, because truth empowers people.

Speaker 23 (01:37:25):
You're watching the other side of change only on the

Speaker 14 (01:37:29):
Next on the Black Tape with me Greg. The United
States is the most dangerous place for a woman to
give birth among all industrialized nations on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Think about that for a second. That's not all.

Speaker 14 (01:37:43):
Black women are three times more likely to die in
this country during childbirth than white women.

Speaker 24 (01:37:49):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist. There are a lot
of white supremacists, ideas and mythologies around black women, black
women AND's bodies, even black people that we experienced pangless right.

Speaker 14 (01:38:03):
Activists, organized and fearless freedom fighter Monifa i Canwila Bande
lay from Mom's Rising, joins us and tells us this
shocking phenomenon, like so much else is rooted in an
adulterated races and that's just one of her fights. Monifa
Bande lay on the next black table here on the

(01:38:24):
Black Star.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Now, I am LaBelle Crawfadin wear a bow tie today
because I wanted to breathe and you're watching Roland Martin unfelting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Millions of black professionals are actively seeking meaningful relationships if
they seem to be facing difficulty in finding partners who
are serious about commitment. In response, one black entrepreneur has
combined dating with artificial intelligence to create a platform designed
to match individuals focused on marriage love. Up Front is

(01:39:20):
the first healing, first AI empowered dating app that prioritizes
deep connections over superficial aspects of dating by eliminating the
need to swipe. John Graham, the founder and CEO of Upfront,
Joseph from Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
John, glad to have you on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Okay, So when you say eliminating the need to swipe,
what does that A you mean?

Speaker 25 (01:39:45):
We've eliminated swiping. Instead of putting people into proximity or
even the position to endlessly swipe off surface level aesthetics
and superficiality, we are algorithmically matching our members based on

(01:40:05):
their needs, not only their preferences, but ultimately their readiness
and relationship brandinness and what they need to heal through
and ultimately what's ideal for them to be on a
long term, healthy and sustainable relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
So when you say what they need to heal through, okay,
what is that?

Speaker 19 (01:40:27):
Yeah? Back you up.

Speaker 25 (01:40:29):
So we are approaching this number one as a community
health crisis. Fact of the matter is, we have been
in position as the number well, the highest marital rate
in the country between eighteen sixty six and nineteen seventy eight.
Between seventy eight and today, we are now the least married,
hovering around thirty percent.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
That is okay, First, when you say we, when you
say we, you mean African Americans, I mean black folks
in Americas.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Okay, got it, Yes, sir, got it? Go ahead, right.

Speaker 25 (01:40:59):
So then you factor in all of the concerted efforts
to break up the black family over the past sixty years,
whether that's social engineering, whether that's policy, and then you
factor in the six hundred years of epigenetic trauma that
we still have yet to heal through. There's a lot
of factors working against successful and healthy relationships in our community.

(01:41:23):
That being the case, we are cognizant that a lot
of the derailers of healthy relationship today are because people
have not healed through whether it be childhood trauma, environmental traumas,
relational or even professional traumas, and then they're expected to
be put into a dating market, pick people that look
pleasing to the eye and hope that their brokenness doesn't

(01:41:45):
meet somebody else's brokenness, and then expect.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
A healing outcome.

Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
So we start with healing first.

Speaker 25 (01:41:52):
Our AI has been trained in eight different psychological frameworks
of Black psychology, Black history, and culture, real nuance, uh
and Langston and Zora are the guys and companions that
we've trained to now usher you through a thirty day
healing slash coaching journey before you ever get access to
potential connections or matches.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
And that's in our healing district.

Speaker 26 (01:42:16):
Okay, so you said you mentioned Langston and Zora, So
there's your algorithm or your AI model actually required the
folks to actually read their stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
I'll care because I remember you mentioned the culture that
I mean. So let's say, let's say if you are
somebody you care.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
About Black history and black culture. Does your models.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Allowed that if there's somebody they might be cute, but
they ain't got no historical understanding?

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
What are they?

Speaker 19 (01:42:46):
Are?

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
They kicked out?

Speaker 7 (01:42:48):
They are not.

Speaker 25 (01:42:49):
We do not require them to read the works of
Lengthston and Zora per se. But those things that are
important to our members, right if you know history of
our culture, our impact, our community legacy and things of
that nature, those are part of their profile.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
And as you engage.

Speaker 25 (01:43:09):
With Langston, just like we're having a conversation role and
you're having a conversation with your AI guide and they're
learning what's important to you, right, what are your visions
and aspirations for the future family, if you're divorced and
getting back into into the into the market place as
it were. All of these things are factored in in
addition to you know, your professional goals, educational attainment, a

(01:43:35):
whole host of things.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
In fact, it's a it's.

Speaker 25 (01:43:37):
A comprehensive a onboarding process to really get to know
who you are and then tailor your coaching slash healing
journey to your needs.

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
In fact, no two users will have.

Speaker 25 (01:43:47):
The same experience based on their own individual assessment outcomes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Okay, all right, Well, I know I got some questions.
So let's see here. Rebecca. You first, so.

Speaker 9 (01:44:04):
Basically your app forces people to do therapy, and then
once they do therapy and there and there are healed versions,
then it allows them to date.

Speaker 25 (01:44:16):
Well, I wouldn't say force this, and we also are
very clear that this is not therapy. Right. We have
trained our lllms in psychological frameworks, but by no means
are they therapists.

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
What they do offer is.

Speaker 25 (01:44:29):
Coaching and guidance and content that is related to the frameworks,
whether it be everything from communication to conflict resolution, emotional
intelligence and accessibility and so forth, and then giving them
opportunities to journal, to reflect on content that we're providing, articles,
podcasts that we've created, and so forth. However, Lengthston and

(01:44:55):
Zora are trained also to identify where there might be
a need to esc allate you to a therapist, in which
case we partner very closely with the Black Girl Doctor
shouts out to doctor Tysha Calwell Harvey and her collective
of licensed psychologists and mental health and wellness and relationship coaches.
So we are not providing therapy per se, but we

(01:45:16):
are providing access to coaching, guidance and an off ramp
to therapy should be needed or desired.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
So would this app snatch the microphones from all the
Red Peel podcast people. I mean that I do wonders
who dating in twenty five.

Speaker 25 (01:45:36):
Now, Sister Rebecca, we can only solve so much. We
are not snatching Mike's but what we are offering in
space for brothers to become better brothers right aspiring spouses
to become the best versions of themselves for a long term,
healthy and sustainable relationship. Additionally, to that point, we're bringing

(01:45:56):
in community. We have several districts, so our healing district
is that first that we've talked about. Our connection district
is where you get algorithmically matched and can engage with
people who have gone through the thirty day process. And
then we have a mentorship district where we're bringing in
married couples who've been married for seven plus years and
more to be that bridge between the aspiring spouse and

(01:46:20):
those who are doing marriage successfully. The fact of the
matter is we don't have that village as we used to,
as it were models for what successful and healthy relationships
look like. So us married folks have to stop gatekeeping
these insights and be a bridge to those who are
seeking to get to where we are. Additionally, a wedding

(01:46:40):
district where we have an economy of black wedding vendors
for those who have found their person. Then lastly, we
have our legacy district, in which case you've done the thing,
you're married, you're successfully building. This is where you secure
your generational wealth and transfer. So everything from financial literacy,
wealth management planning, to life insurance, estate planning, family office services,

(01:47:03):
and more.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
All right, Zachar, you're up.

Speaker 7 (01:47:09):
Look, let me tell you something right here.

Speaker 12 (01:47:10):
I'm like, damon John a shark, but I don't have
no money and I can see right after bad. This
is a phenomenal idea and an amazing concept and I'm
loving everything about it. How can people find out more?
We ready to download right now in apps, So if
we jump on right now profile like, how.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
Do we get more information?

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
First?

Speaker 25 (01:47:28):
I received that energy, brother, I appreciate you. Yes, you
can certainly visit upfront dot Love where we are. We're
currently in beta, so we have about a thousand of
our members who were early access in the app as
we speak, right now, you would sign up for our
wait list, in which case you get first notification when
we are ready to launch, which is at the top

(01:47:50):
of the year, so in January, it will be available
for all on Apple as well as Android.

Speaker 12 (01:48:00):
Graham, I want to emphasize this to make a recommendation
that once you're ready to fully launch, now you're out there,
that you reach out to some prominent single black influencers
and content creators, because you know, I think that them
that's just a great way of marketing the product and
they have the voice of the people, just like Roland
and again too like this is a great place to
bring the platform and build into your budget of advertising

(01:48:22):
dollars to put on the Blackstar Network, because I'm seeing
the comments people saying things that this is this is
really great and it's really needed in our community, both
the therapy, the marketplaces so that we can buy black
and then the service that brings us all together.

Speaker 7 (01:48:36):
Kudos, you can appreci yourself.

Speaker 25 (01:48:39):
Thank you so much and absolutely great advice for sure,
and we look forward to advertising on the Black Star
Network absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Laric.

Speaker 11 (01:48:52):
Yeah, so you know, very interesting concept. So my question
and look, I'm a researcher, so I need.

Speaker 10 (01:48:58):
To I need to know more about your collect.

Speaker 11 (01:49:01):
Data information data points and I'm curious about how that
information is being secured and also the disclaimers that people
have to sign at some point, and what you're considering
about sharing that information with other entities down the line.

Speaker 7 (01:49:18):
Yeah, excellent question.

Speaker 25 (01:49:20):
So data privacy and security are paramount for us. We
certainly have our privacy policies, terms of service AI and
ethics policies right there for all of you on our website.
The fact of the matter is we aren't sharing your information.
We are more concerned with your progress and relationship readiness

(01:49:43):
than making money off of your data.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Right.

Speaker 25 (01:49:47):
What we do use that data to do, which is
all stored at rest and leveraged internally, is tailor your
experience to ensure that you are getting what you need
to remove the barriers and at least have the tools
to being a successful relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
All right, Well, I appreciate it again, John, Working people
right now, they want to try out up where do
they go?

Speaker 25 (01:50:16):
Yep, so again, visit upfront dot love, that's upfront dot love,
or you can jump on any of our socials ig
to attack YouTube at just be upfront again. We are
taking wait lists which is growing every day, and brothers,
this is a place for you to really lean into

(01:50:38):
your full expression of power. Healing is not a weakness,
it is a superpower. And we absolutely need us as
brothers to step up to bring our families back into
prominence once again. So upfront, dot love, and we look
forward to seeing more of us jumping on this rather
than the other apps out here which aren't getting it done.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
All right, Well, I appreciate it, and I see all
your paraphernega there.

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So I want my Alpha Life member shirt on the
right dawn. I was gonna wear something else, but I
will on the right day. So oh six, appreciate it.
Thanks a lot. I'm six ft, thank you, all right,
thanks a bunch.

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See that's for them. Sigma's in Omega's in the control room.
See what happens when you and Alpha. I'm just saying,
all right, y'all, we come back, share a little bit
today's program at the Butterfield Bermuda Championship.

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didn't stop it. They joined in. In twenty eighteen. Is

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Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
All right, folks, As I said, since Monday, I've been here.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
In Bermuda at the Butterfield Bermuda Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
The tournament starts tomorrow's t off seven A M My
Man Cameron Champ Texas A and M Graduate is in
that first group.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
So Man Cameron, damn, it couldn't been like that limclock group.
But I'll be out there to check them out. Today.

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At the pro am, we had an opportunity to play
with a couple of professional golfers. It was a fabulous,
fabulous time playing with them now before we started, so
we wrote up there and they were they were preparing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
These uh uh of it of in pizzas and uh uh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
The brother happened to be at Alpha. He's from Gary, Indiana,
uh Gary Johnson uh and he was out there with
his daughter and so I had a chance to uh
chat with him.

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Check this out all right? So uh Amani, you tell
folks who you are.

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wife forty seven countries, nineteenthications, one hundred sixty for your
favors and cookies also me cupcakes, kings chees speaks so Bronni's.
I started this business when I was sixteen years old,
and I am hashtag beaking with auss up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
Uh and you said the only autistic entrepreneur that that
is it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
In here?

Speaker 7 (01:57:43):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
All right? And how's it going?

Speaker 13 (01:57:45):
Grace?

Speaker 7 (01:57:46):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Then these are your products right here?

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Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
All right?

Speaker 15 (01:57:51):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Uh, I'll grab the decor of the chocolate.

Speaker 7 (01:57:54):
Joe, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
Wow? Heath the yeah yet, well we ask the pro
what do you think? How's the cookie?

Speaker 8 (01:58:03):
How's the cookie?

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
All right? I'm a government other one. Yeah, I can
tell you're joining. All right, folks, do y'all more information.
Here's a cure co baking with autistic appreciate all right,
all right, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Uh So as we were playing, uh, they had a
number of vendors there who are out there, Uh a
system who makes lemonade uh in a bunch of different
of a popsicle company. But I ran across this young
brother's an autistic man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Young man, he was there with his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Uh. We we pulled up. His dad heard my voice
and recognized me. Uh and you checked this out. He's
he's a successful entrepreneur. With his own banking company.

Speaker 15 (01:59:00):
All right, Mary.

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Indiana, Okay, exactly, Yeah, that's my last thing.

Speaker 7 (01:59:05):
Oh that's that's even better.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Yeah, got all fired up.

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Yes, what's young, brother Martin?

Speaker 15 (01:59:14):
All good?

Speaker 19 (01:59:14):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
Did you see you play the surprise?

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
So you got a Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana?

Speaker 10 (01:59:31):
Yes, indeed, I've been here for twenty two years.

Speaker 19 (01:59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:59:36):
My wife is for music.

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Okay, Oh yeah, say you got to go.

Speaker 15 (01:59:44):
Now you like.

Speaker 8 (01:59:49):
What I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
All right?

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So they made some great folks here, So I'm gonna
have a lot more stories to share with you tomorrow
right here on Roland Martin unfiltered from Bermuda. Let me
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Thank you so very much.

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