Social Security Day of Action, MAGA vs. Black farmers, Renting a car while Black

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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Folk. Today is Tuesday, April fifteen, twenty twenty five. Coming
up on roland Mark Unfilter streaming live on the Black
Start Network. President Joe Biden gives his first major speed
since leaving office, defending Social Security. Will go live to
Chicago Democratic lawmakers. They continue to fight MAGA regarding the
disbanding of Social Security. Farmers have always been excluded from

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federal funding grants were not always were pretty much ignored.
Now that maggots running the government, Black farmers are struggling
even more since the usd D A USDA cut DEI programs.
We're talking with the president the National Black Farmers Association.
Also the CEO for the Center for Rule in the
Projet Environmental Justice joins us to talk about the DJ
terminating the agreement to fixate decades old water and sewage

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crisis in Alabama's Black Belt. Also, three black men were
detained for stealing a car, but they rented the car.
It's a wild story you don't want to miss. Plus
LPG A great Renee Powell talks about the Clearview Legacy Foundation.
Plus today is the ultimate DEI day. It's Jackie Robinson Day,
when the white races finally allowed a black player in

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baseball or white baseball. It's time to bring the funk
on rollingd markin unfiltered on the Black Start Network. Let's go.

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Speaker 1 (02:35):
Montee aggressively standing up for Social Security as MAGA sixty
two cut billions of dollars from Social Security President Joe

(02:58):
Biden in his first major public address since leaving office,
is speaking live in Chicago as a relation to this issue,
Let's go live.

Speaker 8 (03:05):
There hardly any black people scranting at the time when
I and I was only going on fourth grade, and
I remember seeing the kids going by at the time,
called colored kids on a bus going by. They never
turned right to go to claim on high school. I
wondered why, asked my mom, why so on Delaware?

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Is I'm not allowed to go to school in public
school with white kids? Honey?

Speaker 8 (03:30):
That sparked my sense of outrage as a kid, just
like it does. I mean, and these young kids right
here can tell you things affect them when they learn
about something that's really just unfair and unjust. You know,
my dad, my dad was an honorable man, and my
dad used to have an expression he said, Joey, your

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job's about a lot more than the paycheck.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
It's about your dignity. It's about respect.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
It's about being able to look at a kid now
and say, honey, it's going.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
To be okay, and meaning that's it you're all about.
That's what the legislation is about.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
It's about dignity, simple dignity. Everyone. Everyone deserves to be
treated with dignity, regardless of their standing, regardless of economics,
regardless who they are. Making sure the more than sixty
million Americans who are living with disabilities are treated with dignity.

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Is that who we are as Americans. That's what it's about.
I mean it, dignity at work, at school, in their communities,
in every corner of American life. Laws like the ADA
NEAT advocates.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Like you, you're the ones that keep it going.

Speaker 8 (04:53):
God love you to fight like hell every single day.
To make sure the laws respected, your client's rights are protected.
So from the bottom of my heart, I meanings that
give you my word as a Biden. From the bottom
of my heart, I say thank you, thank you for
what you're doing, thank you for your commitment to the
dignity of all Americans.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
Because that's what all of it this is about.

Speaker 8 (05:17):
Folks, Today, I want to talk to you about an
issue that's front and center.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Right now, fam millions of Americans. Social Security.

Speaker 8 (05:28):
You know, some of you may know the Democrats have
declared today to save social Security National Action Day, National
Day of Action. I should say, we know just how
much sub security matters to people's lives. Everyone in this
room fights for people with disabilities to rely on Social
Security to survive, to survive.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Not just the.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
Physical side, it's the mental side. It's the mental side.
You make sure folks get the benefits they earn after
a lifetime of hard work. The work they do is
more than just a profession what you do. It's a calling,
not just a profession. And Social Security is more than
the government program. It's a sacred promise. We made it

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in a sacred promise. Seventy three million Americans received Social
Security from the first paycheck for their entire life, they
paying to Social Security and return. They counted solid security
to be for them when they're going to need it.
Folks must never ever betray that trust or turn our

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backs on an obligation. That's why during my presidency we
protected Social Security and made it stronger. Martin, the governor
can tell you we came in off of Social Security
administration had as lowest staff as she referenced it lowes
staffing levels in fifty years, and demand was going through

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the roof because of my general the Baby.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Boom generation reaching the retirements, so.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
The demands on Social Security increased significantly. Our administration security
only two billion dollars produce the black backlogs and improve
customer service. We slashed wait times for folks in need
we're calling the one to eight hundred number. We got
it down to under thirteen minutes. There used to be

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three times that long. We took all this made it
easier for people to get help with their claims online,
reduced how long it takes to review a case. We
fixed the appeal system to make a uniform in all
fifty states. Was made a difference when we strengthened the

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anti fraud measures to protect people's identities and to make
sure benefits are going to people actually they belonged to.
By the way, those three hundred year old polk in
that social security I want to meet them because I like.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
To figure out how they lived. That the hell of
a thing.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Man. I'm looking for longevity, because it's hell when you
turn forty years old. But as a result, by the
time we left office, we had improved every single line
of customer service, from applying for disability to filing appeal
to reporting fraud. It all became more efficient and more effective.

(08:26):
I bet at major jobs easier too in the process. Now,
these achievements, these achievements may not sound so glamorous to
most people, but you know, absolutely essential and might be
one of the most important jobs of any elected official.

(08:46):
It's to make sure for government works for the people,
works for all people. It's understandable they can understand what
it is, then we keep our promises to the people.

Speaker 9 (09:00):
The people.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
That's exactly what we did. Thanks to all of you.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Also signed in the law, the Social Security Fairness Act.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
That act eliminated.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
Two unfair rules so public employees wouldn't get short change
the government pension offset and the windfall elimination provision can
never command ever again. That as a result, more than
two million people are now finally receiving the full benefits
they earned. And remember we're also faced a constant threat

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by some members Republican members of the Congress to cut
and gut social Security period, cut and gut it period.
They wanted to let SOD security expire every five years.
The proposal let it expire every five years unless reauthorized

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by the Congress. Who in the hell do they think
they are every five years.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
And then wait around and be well, I will not
go further and get in trouble. But folks.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Can imagine the cast it would have charged every five years.
Congress going to step up. You imagine this Congress stepping up.
They threatened to raise the retirement as well. Now that
might not be a hardship for someone working at a
comfortable job, but if you're on your feet all day,

(10:35):
you're doing manual labor all day, you're working with the disability, it's.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
A very different matter. And then they even.

Speaker 8 (10:43):
Try to face forced custom social Security during the negotiation
of the dead ceiling.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
These are wonderful guys.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
Last time this guy had the job, he raised the
dead ceiling because of enormous profligate tax cut to the
super wealthy. And then he said, look, then they started
talking to us, his colleagues.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Well, maybe we can.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Do something about social Security, but we gotta do something
about the debt. Syale, how are we going to we
make We can find the money in social security unless
we do what they wanted. They wanted to cut social Security.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Not on my watch. We refused to go along with
any of that.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
Look, Americans can always made ale account of these benefits.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
And let me pause a second here and say this.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
We talk about the physical needs that social security provides
for people, particularly hard working people, people retired, people on the.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Edge, but the psychological impact is profound, profound.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
You're a man or a woman, they're seventies, eight years old,
they're out in good shape. You have a disability, and
you're hear check may not come. How do you sleep
at night? How do you sleep at night? We lived
up in Wilmington in a three bedroom it'split level home

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and a new development forty homes with four kids, and
the grandpa lived with us. And I remember my bed,
our bedroom headboards was near my dad's a mom's room,
and you could tell when Dad was restless. I remember
asking one night my mom was the matter with dad?

Speaker 6 (12:42):
The next morning.

Speaker 8 (12:44):
Says found out that that they're not gonna We're not
gonn provide insurance anymore where he works. Imagine if you're
somebody who's been struggling your whole life, literally count on
Social Security to buy your food, just to get buy

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and you hear the threats what might happen. Many of
these beneficiaries are the only income the recruder taken away
have been devastating, devastating for many of the people.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
And the psychological pressure we.

Speaker 8 (13:26):
Put people under by having this debate is absolutely devastating.
That's why we work so damn hard to make some
secrety administration stronger than I've been in years, and that's
why I asked the governor to take over. By the way,
but look what's happened now fewer than one hundred days,

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this new administration has made so much done so much damage, and.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
So much destruction. It's kind of breathtaking. You could have
that soon.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
They've taken a hashet to the SOI Security administration, pushing
just seven thousand employees.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Seven thousand out the door in that time.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
Including the most seasoned career officials. Now they're getting ready
to push thousands the more out the door. Already we
can see the effects. For example, thousands of people use
the Social Security website every single day to check on
their benefits and submit their claims. But now the technology

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division of Solid Security Administration has been cut in half,
and so the website's crashing. People can't sign out to
their accounts. What do you think it does that woman's
living alone a seventy four years checking just not able
to even find out whether she can't even find out

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with that disapoted claimate she had, she can't file a
new disp by claim. And it's a lot of these people
being told incorrectly their benefits have ended. Folks, imagine the
panic that causes if you're a tiring living alone with

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only Social Security depend upon. So now people are overwhelming
the phone lines or showing up at the local Social
Security office tearful and frantic and told do you have
an appointment?

Speaker 6 (15:33):
In that tone.

Speaker 8 (15:34):
By the way, I can give you a personal example
if I'm not going to them the capital all off,
serious people are now generally concerned for the first time
in history, for the first and only time in history,
and social Security benefits may be delayed or interrupted. Folks,
let's put this in perspective. In the ninety years since

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Frank and Rosevel created security system, people have always gotten
their Social Security checks.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
They've gotten them.

Speaker 8 (16:06):
During wartime, during recessions, during the pandemic, no matter what,
they got them. But now, for the first time ever,
that might change. It would be calamity for millions of families,
millions of people. The current Secretary of Commerce doesn't seem

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to get it, or based on his comments, he doesn't
seem to even care.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Many of you saw what he said the other day.
And by the way, he's a.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Billionaire, God love him with My mother would say, paying
eight and a half percent in all right, billionaires, No,
he's paying. But when he talked about the possibility of
Social Security checks not going out this month, he shrugged
it off.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Here's what he said.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
He said his ninety four year old mother in law
wouldn't complain, wouldn't bother her. She's probably a lovely woman,
no kidding, her son in law is a billionaire. What
about that ninety four year old mother that'll all by herself,

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don't have a billionaire in the family. All the retirees
that depend on that monthly check to feed themselves, all
those people with disabilities.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Of no other source.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
What about all those people? That's who you fight for?
So this will desperately need you, folks. Is not just
the Secretary of Commerce. Where where you heard how others
empowered and emboldened by this administration talk about self security.

(17:57):
One of them called it a ponzi scheme. Ponzi scheme.
What the hell are they talking about? People earned these benefits,
They paid into that benefit. They're relying that benefit, and
no one, no one, no one should take it away,

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you know. Franklin Roosevelt had a different view. He was
president of coming out of the Great Depression. He and
all his colleagues saw great suffering, so much poverty. He
also took steps to raise standards of living for ordinary Americans,
including creating Social Security. He himself was from a very

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wealthy family. He did any Social Security, but understood how
much it would mean to millions of Americans.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
He knew it would make America stronger in the process
and has.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
Makes our economy stronger, makes the community stronger, it makes
family stronger, it gives peace of mind. And so the
vast majority of Americans, including many wealthy Americans, still support
thank God, social Security. Very wealthy billionaires still support so security.

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They may not rely on themselves, but they know, they
know Social Security deserves to be protected for the good
of the nation as a whole. Any guy, ask yourself, God,
ask yourself, why is this happening? Why are these guys taking.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Name in social security? Now?

Speaker 8 (19:48):
Well, they're following that old line from tech startups. The
quote is move fast, break things. They're certainly breaking things.
They're shooting first and even later. As a result, the
result is a lot of needless pain and sleepless nights.

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My friend, Governor O'Malley knows what they're really up to,
he says, and I love his quote. Do you want
to wreck it so they can rob it? They want
to wreck it so they can rob it.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Why do they want to rob it?

Speaker 8 (20:26):
In order to deliver huge tax cuts to billionaires in
big corporations and keep it going.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
They were going to make permanent.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
The twenty seventeen tax cuts, which overwhelmingly benefits the wealthiest Americans.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
And the biggest corporations. That's going to cost five trillion
dollars or are they going to get five trillion dollars.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
To pay for it? Other then continue to run the
deficit up? What were they always do by winning? By
running up the national debt number one? And then by
taking the money from some place else one of the
two big pots of money out there and raw numbers
so security and Medicaid, well from other programs people rely

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on and have paid due.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Republicans.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
These guys are willing to hurt the middle class and
the working class in order to deliver significant greater wealth that.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
They're already very wealthy. Who in the hell do they
think they are? I really think they I mean just
basic based, basic decency.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
Who do they think they are? I think anybody should
go out. They can make it a billion dollars here
they can fine.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Pay your fair share, you know with.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
The average we have a thousand billionaires in America. You
know the average federal tax they pay eight point two percent.
Anybody want to trade that number that you're paying? Close cloak,
they close up. Sorry to go on so long, It's just.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
I grew up in scrant Pennsylvania as a kid, and
then claimont Delaware, middle class towns, working class towns, places
where people worked hard all their lives with the promise
that to be able to retire someday a little bit
of dignity because they didn't paint anything called Social Security

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since the very paycheck they've earned. These people get knocked
down every day. Learn to get up. My dad's wanted
for to get knocked down. Just get up. Get up.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
They get up every day.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
The last thing they need from their government is is
deliberate cruelty. It's about people and neighbors across the country
who look out for each other. They don't see empathy,
they don't see it as a sign of weakness. They
see empathy as a decent instinct. They don't see cruelty

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as a sign of strength. Social Security is about war
of the retirement accounts. It's about honoring a fundamental trust
between government and people. It's about peace of mind for
those who work their whole lives so the rest assured

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they have a chance.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
To get back some of what they are and know
what they deserve.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
But more than anything else, I mean it sincerely, And
as my friend says, it's maybe it's the Irish over them.
It's about who we are as Americans? Who are we
what makes us distinct from the rest of the world.
It comes down to basic, in my view, fundamental American values.

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Nobody's king, nobody's the boss. Everybody has a shot, all
people asking for as a shot. Honesty, decency, where hard
workers rewarded, have some faith in each other. Fairness, simple fairness.

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We can't go on like this as a divided nation,
as divide as we are. Like I said, I've been
doing this a long time. It's never been this divided.
Granted it's roughly thirty percent, but it's a thirty percent
that has no heart.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
What we see in America.

Speaker 8 (24:56):
That's who we believe in fairness, and that's in America
we can never forget or walk away from folks. I
mean this, I know it sounds tripe, but I have
to remember who we are. We're the United States of America,
the United States of America, the most unique.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Country in the history of the world. And that's not hyperbole.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Every in the nation was found because of religion, geography, ethnicity.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
We're the only nation in the world found on a notion.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all
men and women are created, equal, endowed with the Creator.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
That's the one thing united. It's an idea every other
nationalist because of a purpose. It's an idea. And how
can we fulfill the outcome the meaning that idea.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
We walk away? Just basic fundamental decency, folks. Sorry, wind
so long. I feel deeply about this. You know, heard
me say before. I'll say it again. There's nothing, nothing

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beyond the capacity of America.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
To do when we do it together. Let's do it together.

Speaker 8 (26:32):
God bless you all, make God protect our truth.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Thank you, I mean thank you for what you do.
Thank you for this wonderful war. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I was President Joe Biden speaking live in Chicago. This
issue is again all across the country. Democrats are making
it clear that they have to speak loudly against it.
You see a number of members of Congress post videos
on social media talking about Republicans their tax on a

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social security Here is a Democratic House leader, how Kim Jeffers.

Speaker 10 (27:10):
All across America, House Democrats and Senate Democrats are holding
a Safe Social Security Day of Action. Why social Security
here in New York City and across the country faces

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an unprecedented assault, the likes of which have not been
seen since two thousand and five when former President George W.
Bush tried to privatize it. Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and
House Republicans think that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

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Social Security is not upon It is an earned benefit.
Hardworking New Yorkers pay into Social Security and have done
so throughout their entire working life. They've earned their Social

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Security benefits, worked hard for their Social Security benefits, and
deserve their Social Security benefits. It is unacceptable, unconscionable, and
Unamerican that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and House Republicans are

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dismantling and closing Social Security offices, jacking up wait times,
and preventing hard working Americans from securing their benefits.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Pay on Joe Rigerson's VI Writ's attorney out of law
actually doctor Larry J. Walker, assistant professor who joins us
out of Orlando, Florida, doctor Mustapha Santego. First of all,
you with the University of Central Florida. Doctor Mustapa Santago Lee,
former Senior and Visor for Environmental Justice at the EBA
out of DC, asked well, Larry, I want to start
with you. The thing here is Look, this is going
to have devastating impact on lots of people. I saw

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Chris Sununu, former New Hampshire governor, go, oh, hey, what
the heck? You know, you know, retirement age, but we
should raise it the sixty seven, raise it to seventy
as well. And he says, you know, people shouldn't be
retiring at sixty two, says the guy who gets an
annual pension when he turns fifty five because he was governor.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
Yeah, so the idea is, you know, I mean I
want to be able to thrive. Talk about Sanunu while
other people you know, family members, aunts, uncles, grandparents, et cetera,
struggle Roland. This is essentially is what's happening here is
dismealing the social safety net in America, which will lead
eventually to some depression and probably you know, a recession

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and a depression. The other point is about social security.
Is people watching this understand those divisions are retired have
already paid into the system. So it's like someone giving you,
you know, you could get a check for your job,
and then someone coming back, We're going have to take
that check back. That's essentially what's happening. These people have
already retired have already paid into the system and for

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ninety years role this year, social Security has been an
integral part in terms of making sure individuals hardworking Americans
like I said, who have paid it to the system,
who have retired, who deserve to live, you know, peacefully,
don't have a rug pool from under them. This will
have a devastating impact. And I know, particularly we talk

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about the black community in terms of you know, you
know a lot of communities under resource and a lot
of folks that worked out their lives and depend on
SO security survive. But a lot of these Republicans and
these white you know, represent these white districts, the members
of their community are going to see some serious heartache.
And they voted for this just a couple of months ago.

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So and the Republicans have been very clear they've got
to cut like at least.

Speaker 12 (31:07):
One point five trillion dollars from.

Speaker 11 (31:09):
The budget Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid snap, all these
programs that play a vital role in making sure Americans
can eat, can live their lives once again. If you
dismantle or remove these programs, we will see tremendous stress
on the US economy and people will struggle.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And I say to a lot of these white folks
who voted for Trump, y'all about to learn real quick
what happens when they want to whack social security to
give rich folks tax breaks.

Speaker 13 (31:45):
Joe, Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
social security is about. It is the social safety net
right that is having to do fundamentally with this country
fulfilling its commitments of the system during your working life.
Then you get money from that system which you put

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in is it is actually an earned benefit right.

Speaker 12 (32:11):
It's not something that you didn't earn.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
It's not something that you didn't do something tangible or
tangibly in order to receive. And so therefore we are
now in a situation where that is being threatened. You
cannot cut one point five trillion dollars from any budget
you've now, let alone this budget without dealing with social security. Now,
in the real world, eighty percent of our economy is

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based the strength of our economy, the nuts and bost
of our economy is based on consumption. So if people
that get social security, people get any check, you know, disability,
whatever it may be, fill in the blank, they don't
get it at the same level they don't get to
buy the things that they need.

Speaker 12 (32:52):
Then that grinds your economy.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
To a halt.

Speaker 13 (32:56):
So even those that are at the top, they're not
thinking of it that way, but social security.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
Damage to social security is going.

Speaker 13 (33:04):
To wreck all boats, just like they argue that doing
something at the top floats all boats, which it doesn't
for sure, even though you know in the short term
they'll feel a little bit better because they've cut taxes,
at the end of the day, this is going to
grind a whole lot of things to a halt. And
I imagine that even those that were too clueless and

(33:25):
to disillusion or delusional is my word, to see what
was going on and voting for Trump anyway, would then
at that point come to a point of inflection and
revelations difful.

Speaker 14 (33:42):
You know, seventy three million Americans right now are counting
on basic decency. Seventy three million Americans are also counting
on America's promise to the working class, those people who've
got up every day and done what they needed to do,
and now America once again is breaking the promise. Now,
people often don't when we're talking about social security, we're
talking about the average benefit of about nineteen one hundred

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and eighty dollars a month.

Speaker 15 (34:07):
That breaks down to a little less than five hundred
dollars a week.

Speaker 14 (34:11):
So I would just ask the folks who are watching,
could you survive on five hundred dollars a week? Knowing
how inflation has happened. We've seen the prices of food,
We've seen all these things that continue to go up,
and then these individuals have the gall to actually try
and take away these basic, basic ability for folks to
hit their basic needs. The last thing that I'll say,

(34:33):
Roland is most folks may remember when Donald Trump was running,
when he's on the campaign trail, he pledged to protect
social Security benefits. He said, and I quote that he
would never do anything that would jeopardize or hurt social
Security or medicare no cuts or increases in the age
of those who receive the benefits. So once again folks

(34:54):
got bamboozled. So the question becomes what you're going to
do about it? Are you going to actually pick up
the phone, are you going to actually get out and
use nonviolent ways of addressing what's going on in this space?

Speaker 15 (35:04):
Are you going to hold your elective officials accountable?

Speaker 14 (35:06):
And are you when next time you have the ability
to vote, are you going to make sure that you
put people in office who will actually make sure that
your grandmother and maybe somebody who's dealing with the disability
has the ability to actually be able to live in
a decent way, to be able to live in a
humane way.

Speaker 15 (35:24):
So the question is what are you gonna do.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
With your power?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well, we all know he'll lie. I mean, he lies
about lies. So anybody who believe that they're stupid, they're
stupid is all get out. And the people who are
also stupid are the people who agree with this dumb
ass's tears. Let me give y'all a sense of this year. Okay,
when the idiot was there four years ago, more than

(35:50):
twenty five billion dollars in taxpayer money was provided to
largely white farmers because of his terrors. I remember there
were farmers who announced that they were losing their farms,
filing bankruptcy. And I'll never forget one of these white

(36:12):
boys said, oh, I would vote for him again, and
it's worth losing. And I'm sitting there going time out, yo,
dumbass defending that the man lost the family farm because
of Trump's idiotic tears that did nothing, that accomplished nothing,

(36:36):
and more than twenty five billion of that were given
to farmers. But let me be real clear, white farmers.
So what are we now seeing on today is the
ultimate DEI day, the versus of the equity inclusion when
the white racist finally allowed Jackie Robinson because it wasn't

(36:56):
about merit to come and play imagor League baseball. And
we'll cover that later, but we're seeing the attacks on
DEI in every federal government and guess what that includes. Agriculture.
USDA is having a devastating impact on black farmers. So

(37:16):
black farmers already got screwed and have been getting screwed
for decades now. When you had a glimmer, a glimmer
of hope, Trump is like, shut the door, and guess
who's quiet? All of these black maga people. You hear

(37:40):
nothing from Senator Tim Scott his black farmers in South Carolina.
You don't hear jack from Congress and Byron Donald's nothing
from Utah Congress and Burgess Owens. You don't hear jack
from Texas Republican Congressman Wesley Hunt black farmers down in Texas.

(38:01):
It's some black farmers in Florida. Nope, Now we know
ain't no black farmers in Utah because so you don't
hear nothing, not a peep. And how about all these
other little maga minions. What's that little girl down in Atlanta,
Michayla whatever, hell the name is, ain't heard nothing, ain't
heard nothing. What about that little other fool Harris? They

(38:27):
love all them? What about all them fools, all them
fools who were sitting here at the White House Black
History Month reception, Oh, smiling and cheese and profile and
posting their videos and all on social media. Oh yeah,

(38:52):
they were all doing that. And guess what silent? Silent?
How about Charis Lane, here's a black woman who's a
Florida A and m graduate Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University.

(39:14):
Uh huh, she wanted them vote when Florida if they
cut sixteen million dollars from Florida and news pharmacyt school,
ain't herd of pete. I told y'all we saw what
happened down there in Uh when they when Trump declared

(39:35):
it was illegal DNA, it was illegal DNA d I
legal DI so they can sol the the deal in
Alabama we're gonna talk about a little bit later. What
if I constantly said these people do not like black people,

(39:59):
and these same black conservatives, these black maga people, none
of them are standing up for black people, none of them.
John Boyd is the president the National Black Farmers Association.

Speaker 16 (40:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
John, we made it clear. Yes, Trump didn't give a
damn by black farmers last time. I ain't don't give
a damn by black farmers. Down.

Speaker 17 (40:31):
That's correct. And Roalard Newton, you laid it off. You
laid it all out there, down and clear. One thing
that I wanted to highlight before we get into this
terror thing is the President put an executive order out
there allowing white South African farmers to provide them with

(40:52):
a fast pathway to citizenship in the United States. And
they're going to give them laying out a federal image
from the United States Apartment of Agriculture and grazing land
from the Department of Interior and provide them a homestead.
Thanks they never did in this country for black people.

(41:12):
And I've been trying to get our land. Bruden, You've
been covering this thing man for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Man.

Speaker 17 (41:18):
We've been talking about this land and inventory they want
to give it to South African white farmers that Trump
says face discrimination in South Africa. But all these forty
years I've been trying to get it right here in
the United States. It's always the reason why we can't
get our land out of federal inventory. That should be
on blast on everybody's social media line, because land rolling

(41:43):
is everything, is absolutely everything, and that's why I've been
after it for for.

Speaker 18 (41:47):
All of these years.

Speaker 17 (41:48):
And this president came in and closed up civil rights
on the first day at the United States Apartment of Agriculture.
It took an Act of Congress for me to get
the Civil Rights Office reopened under the Reagan administration, and
after Congress had to reopen it and fund it with
money from with the support of President Bill Clinton. We

(42:08):
had to do all of this through Congress. And this
president comes in one day and wipes away forty years
of work at the United States Department of Agriculture. Is crazy,
and he's circumventing Congress. This man's acting like a dictator.
In my standpoint, he's going around the court. He's not

(42:30):
abiden by the court decisions that's out here. It's rampant,
and we have to rise up and speak out against it.

Speaker 18 (42:37):
And you know, Roland, thank god for this platform, man.

Speaker 17 (42:40):
And I rode through my social media just about every night,
and I see you on the front lines with the
consistent message of.

Speaker 18 (42:49):
Fighting back, man and pushing back. And we have to
do more of it.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I mean, what are you hearing from these black MAGA people?
Are they responding to emails?

Speaker 18 (42:59):
Paul grad you raised that. I'm glad you raised that.
And we're national.

Speaker 17 (43:04):
Officeay, We've got one hundred and fifty fifty one thousand
members who've been around since the eight is and we
have some of those people will knew it from some
of these crazy people and they want to argue you
about Trump and now the debate is bare minimum now.
But I had a lot of pushback when that came

(43:25):
out nationally for a VP for the VP Harris, from
people and the organization itself.

Speaker 12 (43:33):
They didn't want us to do that.

Speaker 17 (43:35):
Some of these are very same type of individuals that
you that you are describing here.

Speaker 18 (43:41):
We got to do better at understanding.

Speaker 17 (43:43):
Yes, I agree we didn't get everything that we needed
from the Democratic Party, But anybody who's confused about the
difference between the Democratic Party Joe Biden and this president
in office right now, something's wrong with you.

Speaker 18 (43:56):
And here's the other thing that is very alarming.

Speaker 17 (44:00):
They change our name Roland d I minority farmers, socially
disadvantaged farmers, farmers or color. They were spitting on me
at USDA because.

Speaker 18 (44:13):
I was black.

Speaker 17 (44:15):
They wouldn't allow me to see the loan officer, but
one day every week because I was black. I was
coming in the back door. Yes, in the eighties and nineties,
because I was black. They gotta stop changing our definition. Uh,
we're black people and these are and we space, and
we face a special set of issues in this country

(44:35):
that no other people face. Uh, we're pure hatred. And
this president hates black people. If anybody's confused out here.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
See here's the mistake that people make. They go open,
Oh he's got he's got a Black Hood secretary. And
oh you know he had been Carson last time, and
oh he's got well here's odeal. Look at this white house. Yes,
are there any black top aids?

Speaker 17 (45:06):
No, no advisors, no none.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So all these little black magaminions taking photos, posting stuff,
all of them, all these little folks, And I'm gonna
name them the silly ass brother, the Cardier family, all
these folks, the Hods twins, all these folks got lots
to see on social media, but they are saying nothing

(45:33):
about the impact on black people.

Speaker 17 (45:36):
Yes, and you know what, this is gonna be devastating
on black farmers because rom and that's the tariff piece.

Speaker 18 (45:46):
A lot of our people don't understand.

Speaker 17 (45:47):
The commodities I've been raising for forty two years, corn
wheat and sword beans are controlled by the market.

Speaker 12 (45:55):
Every time the.

Speaker 17 (45:55):
President says the word tariff, the price plummetge.

Speaker 18 (46:00):
The other countries don't want to don't want to trade
with us.

Speaker 17 (46:03):
China is now buying soybeans from Brazil and now they
just say they're pulling out two and a half billion
dollars of beef. I raised beef two All these things
are going to affect us. But when the money's rolled
out and you laid it out on your commentary, they said, oh,
we're gonna roll this money out through the Department of Agriculture,

(46:23):
the same Department of Agriculture that was calling me a nigga,
the same Department of Agriculture that was tear my application.
I'm doing it in the trash cam. It's going to
be the same Department of Agriculture to make sure black
farmers get money. It's not going to happen. And that's
why I said port you know, we got to you know,
get the prices up. We gotta give to his president.
I mean, I hate to start talking about that. We
got to put a candidate out there. They got the

(46:46):
goals and balls enough to stand up to them and
also say, you know, I'm gonna come into officer first
day and do away with every one of those executive
offices re orders that he put out there.

Speaker 18 (46:55):
We're gonna do away with it.

Speaker 17 (46:57):
We need a person like that who standing up in
right now and saying and talking and saying those things
right now.

Speaker 18 (47:04):
That's that's the first thing we gotta do.

Speaker 17 (47:06):
And then black people we got to voice up and
come together. If we can't come together on the Donald Trump,
we're never going to come together in this country based
on this way that this man.

Speaker 12 (47:15):
Is treated black people.

Speaker 17 (47:17):
Every week he's he's saying something directly, do away with
Black History Month, do away with any anything that has
anything to do with color and blackness in this country.

Speaker 18 (47:28):
He came in and it's Architect Roller.

Speaker 17 (47:31):
We don't want to leave his name out His name
is Steven Miller, and we had a conversation on your
show years ago when he started suing me in federal
court blocking the five billion dollars to a black farmers.
The person who orchestrated the language and who's crafting the
language for this president and these executive all, his name

(47:51):
is Steven Miller, and some sort of way he needs
to be dealt with as well.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Again, I just want folk to know, these are the
people who run around. These are the people who run
around Black folks need to be supporting Trump. They sitting
here touting all the wonderful, great stuff he doing. He's doing,
but again, on things that are specific, they are silent.

(48:21):
They are saying nothing.

Speaker 17 (48:24):
Yes, yes, And you're exactly right. You could look at it.
And the brother from South Carolina, we ain't heard the
word from him.

Speaker 12 (48:31):
No.

Speaker 17 (48:31):
And you know, we've got thousands of black farmers in
his in his state. You know that that need helping
assistance right now, Black farmers don't have farm operating loans
in place, and it's planning season and we need for
you know, our people to come together and help support
these brothers.

Speaker 18 (48:49):
We should have our corn planners in the.

Speaker 17 (48:50):
Field right now rolling they have they're closing up local
offices and they're doing them and they have done away.
It ain't doing the way with anything that had to
do with color at USDA and then r CS, Farm
Service Agency, Rural Development, the agencies are supposed to be
extending credit out here. If they went away and done

(49:12):
away with civil rights directors and those agencies, anybody that
was doing anything around color, they're already gone. So I
want to be very very clear, those positions have been
terminated and they fired them, and he fired these people.
That's what this president is doing to black people in
this in this in this country, and we're too solid

(49:33):
about it in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Questions from the panel, We'll stop for you first.

Speaker 15 (49:40):
Yeah, John's good to see you again.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Brother.

Speaker 18 (49:43):
How you doing. Thank you for what you do?

Speaker 14 (49:46):
Yes, sir, I'm blessed. I'm blessed. I remember assigning at
EPA years ago. Yes, you know, we got forty eight
million black folks in our country and if you had
the ability, and this is one of the platforms to
be able to speak to them, what would you ask
them to do in this moment to address the issues
that are happening to our black farmers across the country.

Speaker 17 (50:06):
Go out and supporters Black Farmers dot Org. That's the
first thing you got to do. You don't have to
be a farmer to support this cause. I want to
be very very clear here. That's the biggest thing you
can do. To come out and support black farmers right
now and make your contribution. Is the second thing that
you can do, and stay in contact and spread the information.

(50:28):
This particular segment needs to be on everybody's timeline tonight.
Share this show right now on all of your social
media Instagram, Facebook, whatever suit your fancy. Post this segment
out there tonight so people can get the facts about what's.

Speaker 18 (50:45):
Going on in America.

Speaker 11 (50:48):
Larry, Yeah, thank you for your time and everything you
do for black farmers is critically important. Can you talk
a little bit about you know, there's a long history
of black farming in the United States. A lot of
folks don't know about, you know, our history and agriculture.
Can you talk about what the future could look like?
You talked about some of the challenges, particularly the terriffs.

(51:08):
Could you and I know this is having a major
impact on farmers in general, and we've talked about the
challenges the black farmers encounter. What could the future of
black farming look like with tariffs, particularly with the terriffs,
if they're in this fight with China, et cetera.

Speaker 12 (51:23):
What could black.

Speaker 11 (51:24):
Farming look like over the next five to ten years.

Speaker 18 (51:26):
Well, it's going to be the loss of farms for us.

Speaker 17 (51:29):
That's the first thing that these terrorists are going to
put us out of business with no oversight and no
regulation from the court or from the United States Department
of Agriculture. And I'm telling our people in the back
of this a little bit, dounter, buy some land.

Speaker 18 (51:47):
Buy some land.

Speaker 17 (51:48):
That's what white farmers are going to be losing, some
of these farms too. It won't be just black farmers.
Some of these miscale farmers are going to be losing
their farm. Buy some land. If you can afford the
Raggedar's Cadillac and Mercedes Benz, you.

Speaker 18 (52:02):
Can afford five acres and the country. Yes, I said it.

Speaker 17 (52:06):
Stopped buying them cars, stop buying them design and clothes,
and buy five acres in the country. That's the first
thing we can do as black people. Don't leave that
money in the bank right now. Buy some land when
it's going to become available, and you heard it from me. First,
there's going to be a lot of land for sale
and America, and we can't let Bill Gates and China
and the rest of the people back. That's the first thing.

(52:27):
We have a rich history of farm making. I bet
everybody on that panel came from somebody's farm and somebody
from one of these southern states here in the country.

Speaker 18 (52:36):
And we have a farmer in our family.

Speaker 17 (52:39):
Tell the rich story of history of what our forefathers did.
We own twenty millionacres of land at the turn of the century.
We're down to three millionacres of land, roughly hovering around
fifty thousand black farmers, full time farmers that make a living.
I'm proud to be one of those black farmers that
farm full time and a host of other part time

(53:00):
are farmers, and we raise everything we own. And guess what, people,
we're the best. I set it on your show road.
We're the best farmers ever in this country because we
survived with no loans, we survived with discrimination, we survived
with ad companies not supporting us, and we're still here.

Speaker 18 (53:20):
By the grace of God. And guess what we gonna survive.

Speaker 17 (53:25):
You want to know why we survived slavery, We survived
John pro we survived sharecropping, all the things that they
thought would put us out and put us down. We're
still here. We're still here, by the grace of God.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Larry, I'm sorry, Joe.

Speaker 13 (53:43):
Thank you so much, sir, for what you're doing to
build on what it was that you were saying. My grandmother,
Lucy Purdue, was born in Sparted, Georgia, grew up in Making,
Georgia mother my mother's side of the family. Everybody's from
Mississippi and Alabama through Salina, Tennessee.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Give us a city.

Speaker 13 (54:06):
Folk, a one on one, A one on one on
why farming is important. It's gotten, you know, a little
trendy for us to sit and talk in church about, Oh, yeah,
you know, we should use this land and you should
grow some things, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 12 (54:21):
But give those of us that don't.

Speaker 19 (54:23):
Know and haven't really gotten it a quick one on
one about the importance of farming to what we eat
every day.

Speaker 17 (54:34):
All right, thank you for that. And my grandfather, this
name was Thomas Boyd. He said land was everything. Everything
good and great came from the land. Clean drinking water,
fresh food to feed your family, timber to build a
house on. We've gotten away from that, and the farm

(54:54):
is where we built our families. Yes, we spent time together.
We raised together many black families. My daddy came from fifteen,
the last of fifteen kids and a lot of black families.

Speaker 18 (55:06):
My mother had ten tents of us.

Speaker 17 (55:09):
We've gotten away from the family structure of the farm
and also the ability to feed ourselves.

Speaker 18 (55:15):
If you look at our forefathers, they live longer than
we do now.

Speaker 17 (55:18):
It's because there was eating healthy foods from their farms
that wasn't tainted with chemicals. They were eating meats and
all these great fresh things and they lived longer, or
because of the lifestyle. We've gotten away from the lifestyle.
And to answer that question more directly, we take for
granted that we have food for abundance in this country.

(55:39):
That's what we're taken for granted. So when you look
at our farmers and why it's important, we're gonna sit down,
we're going to eat dinner the night. Some of us
going to eat too much like I do, and we
take for granted that that food was grown from someone's
farm in this country. So we need to go back
and redevelop our connection with food, with healthy foods and

(56:01):
the family structure that came from our forefathers. They taught
us at home how to live and how to survive
on these farms, and we've gotten away from that. And
I want to tell the young people that's the way
to survival. Land ownership is the way to freedom. If
you want to be freedom free in this country, you
need to own some land so that they can't take

(56:23):
that from you.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
All right, all right, then with John Littep, keep up
the fight.

Speaker 12 (56:29):
Hey man, we love you.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I appreciated you, We.

Speaker 17 (56:32):
Support you, and we appreciate the fight that you put
out here every single day.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Man.

Speaker 18 (56:37):
Thank God for you.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I appreciate and I have not forgotten your offer to
come down to the farm, to come down to ride horse.

Speaker 18 (56:43):
Come down here, man to saw you out there with
that cowboy head on.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Come on now.

Speaker 18 (56:47):
I want you on my phone wearing that cowboy.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Oh, there ain't a problem. I gotta I gotta feel
I can ride now. Now how far are you? How
far you from DC?

Speaker 12 (56:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 17 (56:56):
About three hours from d C Road straight down ninety
five to eight.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Okay, all right, and we're going to make that happen.
I appreciate it. Thanks you about all right, folks, gotta
go to break. We come back. Lots more to talk about,
including today being the ultimate DEI day. Today is a
day called Jackie Robinson Day, and this is the day
when the white folk allow one black man merit to

(57:21):
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Speaker 1 (59:41):
On Monday, we reported the Department though Justice that terminated
a landmark agreement to address longstanding sewage issues in Lowndes County, Alabama.
This rural, majority black community has faced problems for decades
with raw sewitch in backyards in their homes. Captaine Coleman Flowers,
a CEO of the Center for a Rural Enterprise and

(01:00:03):
Environmental Justice, joined us right now. I'm glad to have
you here. So this is very simple. These are black people.
These are black people impacted. This has been going on
for decades. This was an infrastructure issue. This was an
infrastructure issue. And Trump decides to, oh, what the hell,

(01:00:27):
get rid of the settlement and cause it any legal
DEI settlement. What the hell.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I'm still trying to understand that one myself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So for folk who don't understand, explain the settlement.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Well, the settlement occurred because for years, actually I've been
doing this work since two thousand and two. Because initially
the Alabama Department of Public Health were arresting people who
could not afford on site sanitation. And that's how I
got involved in doing this work. And as a result,
we ended up working with Earth Justice and we file
the complaint against the Alabama Department of Public Health alleging

(01:01:06):
the civil rights valuation. This is the first time the
Title six was used to look at environmental justice and
to try to obtain justice. And as a result, the
Health Department entered into an agreement with the Department of
Justice and Health and Human Services where they would work
to try to remedy the wastewater problem in Lowndes County

(01:01:29):
by putting in place helping to put in place septic systems,
and some of that was funded by the government, because
the other question is that we still don't know the
answer is how much of the money that's been allocated
has been spent and how much of it will go
to actually putting in place septic systems for families or
are they taking that away too and call it a dei.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
And again for the people who don't understand the impact here,
we're talking, so describe the problem that this raw sewage
in the yards, front yards, backyards, in the house. How
far I've seen it front yards, backyards, under homes, going
out into the woods.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
I've seen it everywhere you can potentially see it. We
also have seen where there are balls where children were
playing around it. We've seen basketball courts nearby and one
basketball obviously ended up in the SEWAs and they didn't
get it. So we've seen all kinds of ways in
which people have tried to get this away from their homes.

(01:02:32):
And this has been going on far too long. And
what is significant about Lowndes County is that it's located
between Selma and Montgomery and at one point was called
Bloody Lounges and it's very very significant to our voting
rights history as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
And again for people don't understand this, this was called
racism when it came to infrastructure.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Yes, it is. We call the sanitation inequality, where the
type of infrastructure investments that should have been made in
these communities, really in rural communities across the United States,
have not been made, but certainly Lowndes County because it's
hard to not see it because so many people travel
between the sell Them and Montgomery and it's just right

(01:03:17):
outside of Montgomery, which is the capital city. And it
should have been rectified many years ago. My concern now
is whether or not, hopefully they will not go back
to the policy of arresting people who cannot afford it
on site sanitation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
And again I want to reiterate, you are there where
the state capital is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
It's right outside the state. Actually, there are people living
with royal sewage in Montgomery, so it's a problem in
all sixty seven counties. I have to give credit for
the people in lowdes County who uplifted their stories and
put it out there because they were so marginalized they
had nothing else to lose. But it is not only

(01:04:02):
helping them, but helping people around the state and certainly
around the country, who are living in the same situation.

Speaker 12 (01:04:09):
The sad part is that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Since we've been doing this work, and I've been doing
it for over twenty years, that I've gone to places
around the country and people have said this is a
problem that they've had as well. So hopefully I'm challenging
the administration to go and see it for themselves because
a lot of their constituents got the same problem. But
the issue is people don't want to deal with it,

(01:04:32):
and I'm very concerned about the health consequences of not
addressing this environmental issue.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I mean, it's your shameful to speakable, that's what it is. Mustapa.

Speaker 14 (01:04:43):
Well, Katherine, it's good to see if I give you
a quick shout outs. We want to make sure everybody
goes and gets your book Waste, which is an anthology
of the types of things that are going on in
communities across the country. Catherine, can you talk a little
bit about the public health impacts because a lot of
folks don't understand about the hook worm, hepatitis A, and
the parasites and everything that people are dealing with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Well, actually, when I first started doing this work, I
wasn't getting a lot of support. And what helped us
was that we partnered with doctor Peter Hotels at Baylor's
National School of Tropical Medicine.

Speaker 15 (01:05:16):
And worked with the local community who.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Gave us, actually gave us samples of their fecal samples.
We got fecal samples, water samples, blood samples, and also
soil samples, and they were taken to the lab and
they used PCR technology and they used this PCR technology
to look at the samples and they found hookworm, they

(01:05:38):
found strangelities, they found other tropical parasites that as you
generally see in third world nations that don't have sanitation treatment.
And when that story was broken in twenty seventeen, it
made worldwide news because people were surprised to see that
this is in the United States. In addition to that,
you in special rappert to in extreme poverty came to

(01:05:59):
allow us and you said, Kathin, and I've seen this
in undeveloped nations. I never expected to see this in
the United States. And this exists right outside of a
capital city, and it doesn't make any sense for what
you exists, and I think we have to find ways
to remedy it.

Speaker 18 (01:06:13):
And the health.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Consequence is so extreme that during the pandemic, Lounges County,
who has a small population, actually had the highest COVID
highest per capter COVID death rate in the state of Alabama.

Speaker 12 (01:06:33):
Joe, thank you so much for the work that you're doing.

Speaker 13 (01:06:37):
I am wondering if, and you kind of alluded to
it a bit with the idea that there are plenty
of white people that are just as poorly off as
it pertained to these issues and in general in Alabama,
that there would seem to be some potential for commonality.

Speaker 12 (01:06:55):
There is there.

Speaker 13 (01:06:56):
Any potential at all for collaboration with all affected communities,
rural and otherwise, to get on the same page and
perhaps developed more strength in terms of getting progress on
this issue and pressing forward.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Well, you know the irony, you know, and the south
fel alluded to my book Wastes and I write about it.
When I first started doing this work, one of the
persons who was an allyic Jeff Sessions, because he was
from rural Wilcox County that had the same problem.

Speaker 15 (01:07:32):
We have been.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Contacted about people from most counties in Alabama, people that
are having the same issue. The difference is they're not
being arrested. People Llows County were arrested for having his problem.
In addition to that problem throughout the United States of America,
it's in California, It's definitely in Texas in the area

(01:07:58):
called the Colonials, with a lot of rural Latinos are living.
They are living with ross sewage on the ground too.

Speaker 12 (01:08:07):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
It's throughout the United States, and we're hearing from people
from throughout the United States that are actually applauding the
people in Lowndes County for living up this problem and
they want solutions too, not only in Lowndes County, but
around the United States and these rural communities that have
been in New York for years.

Speaker 18 (01:08:26):
Right, Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
Very yeah, thank you for all your important work.

Speaker 12 (01:08:30):
And you mentioned.

Speaker 11 (01:08:31):
Mentioned, you know, sessions, And they made me think of
two policymakers in Alabama brit in Tumberville. And I'm wondering,
have you heard anything from their offices about, you know,
this decision by the White House and impact it will
have on their constituents.

Speaker 15 (01:08:48):
No, I have not, true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Well, this is what they do though. Again they don't care.
And I'm good and I posted this tweet, uh moments ago,
and you know, I'm just gonna go ahead and read
their names again. And let me go ahead and say it.
Joseph Pinon Black Maga, where are you? The Hodge Twins?

(01:09:16):
Where you at? David Harris Junior, them young black guys,
the Cardier family, y'all always talking on YouTube, All y'all
talking about this story. Charis Lane, you a Florida and
them graduate? Why are you being so silent? Michayla Montgomery?
You keep running your mouth down there in Atlanta? Do

(01:09:38):
you care about rule black folks in Alabama while you're quiet.

Speaker 12 (01:09:41):
C J.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Pearson, you actually enrolled at the University of Alabama. Why
are you so quiet? Lorenzo sawl You that black preacher
in Detroit kissing Trump's ass giving that ridiculous prayer of inauguration?
Why are you so silent? Also, Reverend John Amanchukwu Senior,

(01:10:05):
you posted a video post a photo on a TikTok.
Excuse you on Twitter? How Trump has tapped you to
help band books? How about you band Ross sewitch in
the yards and the homes of black people? Oh and
you're black Members of Congress Byron Donald's Burgess Owens, Wesley Hunt,

(01:10:28):
singer Tim Scott. Why are y'all so silent? All y'all
black magapeople? If y'all claim and love black people, why
are you so quiet when Trump is screwing black folks? Question?
What's next? What do y'all plan next? I mean, what
do you do? What's what's next for you?

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Well, we're planned to continue to uplift these issues. Uh,
and we want to expand We're not going to only
talk about what's happening in Lowndes, Canton. We want to
talk about what's happening these other counties across the United
States that have the same problem, in West Virginia, in Virginia,
in Georgia and Margaret Taylor Greens District where I spoke

(01:11:13):
and people there were telling me about the sewage issues
they were having there as well. I think we need
to lift these issues up, and we need to make
sure that people understand that how in the world can
we seem to be a prosperous nation when we allow
these third well activities to exist and we do nothing
to help it. But we can send people in the

(01:11:33):
out of space to do things that are not significant. However,
there's a way in which we can address this problem.
We just have not made it a priority. I'd like
to see this administration.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Fix it, all right, Catherine Goldman Flowers, We appreciate it, Thanks.

Speaker 12 (01:11:48):
A lot, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
All right, folks, going to a break, we come back.
Donald Trump. Now he's trying to extort Harvard, other Ivy
League schools and Harvard and MIT basically say you can
kiss our anti ass. I'll explain when we come back
to Roland, marked unfiltered on a Blackstar Network.

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Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
What's up, y'all? On Will Pack?

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
Everybody made friend him Risia Webb, and you're watching Roland
Martin unfiltered aam Well. I like a nice filter usually,
but we can be unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Well. Donald Trump is seeking retribution against more folks, this
time Harvard University. They're claiming that they are targeting Harvard
because they would not crack down on anti Semitism on campus.
That's bullshit. That's not what it's about. It's about the
controlling who gets hired as professors, what students get let in.

(01:13:38):
And so he's using the threat of withholding federal funds
in order to get them to back down. So as
a result, he announced that they're gonna withhold some two
billion dollars in a federal aid. Well, Harvard was like, really, really,
that's that's what you think you're trying to do. And

(01:13:59):
then now on the fool is trying to say he's
going to repeal their tax status. Let me know how
that goes. Let me know how that goes. Now, remember Columbia,
they bowed to pressure. They bowed to pressure by Green
to Trump's terms. Harvard said, nah, ween doing that, and

(01:14:23):
they made it clear that no government, regardless of which
party in power, should dictate what private universities can teach,
whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of
study and inquiry they can pursue. Well MT follow that
up and said, yeah, we ain't bucking bucking buckling to
you at all. See, this is the whole thing here

(01:14:44):
that people gotta understand, Larry. If you buckle to pressure,
the thug is going to come back. This ain't no different.
If amafioso comes to you and says, y'all, you gotta
pay us a cut, They're gonna up it. And keep
up in it, and keep up in it, and keep
putting the squeeze on you. You respond to thugs like

(01:15:08):
Donald Trump by saying, hell, no, we're not bowing to you.

Speaker 11 (01:15:17):
Then about you know, Harvard, But let's talk about another
Ivy League college, Columbia University.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
And they basically caved in Roland.

Speaker 11 (01:15:24):
And what happened after that. They were like, Okay, that's good,
but we need one, two, three, and four.

Speaker 12 (01:15:29):
So listen.

Speaker 11 (01:15:30):
You know, if you're reading book, understand authoritarian, how authoritarian
is and works. One of the institutions they go after
is higher education. Obviously Columbia and Harvard University have large
endowments or Ivy League institutions. But to start difference in
how both those the leaders for both those institutions have responded.
Columbia since gotten rid of their president, but Harvard's leadership
and their president have stood steadfast. But let's be clear, Roland,

(01:15:53):
Let's not give them too many pats in the back.
They have provided the largest, one of the largest endowments
of the post second institution. Certainly maybe not now in states,
but in the world, so they can survive this. But
we need to also see the leader from other institutions that,
you know, particularly those leaders that have something more to lose,
including their jobs, step forward and be able to say
if they get these letters and say no, we're not

(01:16:13):
going to compromise. And we also need a lot of
those law firms to do the same thing. But you know,
Harvard did the right thing. But it's easy for them
to do the right thing when they have the large,
large endowment and the alumni base they do.

Speaker 18 (01:16:25):
But I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
I don't care if they have a large endowment. I
don't care they have a large endowment in the alumni base.
Their response is the response that you need. That's it
doesn't matter of them having an endowment. First of all,
them having a large endowment yet gives them that ability.
But again, you have to have somebody who says, I'm
gonna punch back to give the next person courage. If

(01:16:50):
everybody keeps capitulating, the domino just keep falling.

Speaker 12 (01:16:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:16:55):
No, I agree with you one hundred and ten percent.
And that's why I said when we talked about the
president of Columbia University did the exact opposite right and
gave in. So what Harvard University has done is important
and hopefully This is first and many steps of the
institutions saying that we won't compromise in terms of how
we enroll students, the kind of training we do, the
programs and classes we teach. And trust me, I knew

(01:17:16):
this from the first hand experience that if you cave in,
then they will continue to come for you on other issues.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
I mean, first of all, Joe, we see this with
these law firms all buckling, all boying their knee to
Donald Trump, major law firms scared to tell him your
executive order is illegal and were gonna take your ass
to court.

Speaker 13 (01:17:37):
Yeah, it's nuts, big laws. Just they cave in like
a cave man. It's really nuts. And so we appreciate
those that actually do take stands. And you know, even
though you know, I think it is true that Harvard's
got a little bit more ability to do it. And then
we can talk some other time about how which they
had supported sister gay the way that they should have

(01:18:00):
being said, they're doing the right thing. Now this is
about control in an irony several ironies here. You know, Republicans,
you know, free markets, you know, no control, states rights,
things like that.

Speaker 12 (01:18:13):
Now he wants all the control. Uh, this is really
about control.

Speaker 13 (01:18:18):
The other thing is that there's an irony with among
other things, fossilely claiming, as you said, it is bull
crap on assessamec. Bunn that this is about anti semitism,
but it wasn't about anti semitism. When Donald Trump was
saying that the folks that were saying Jews will not
replace us in Charlottesville will find people.

Speaker 12 (01:18:37):
So they're super, super pragmatic.

Speaker 13 (01:18:40):
And the fact of the matter is if these intellectuals,
and you know this is also his his firing shot
against intellectuals. This is all part of his exacting revenge.
And if they really want to, these cats can get
together and outthink Donald Trump. He's just gonna try to
muscle you. He's he doesn't have any strategy. He doesn't

(01:19:02):
understand that he could actually probably destroy the rest of
the world and people not get it if he held
on to social security.

Speaker 12 (01:19:10):
But he doesn't want all that. There's greed. He wants
all of it.

Speaker 13 (01:19:13):
And so therefore he tells you what he's gonna do
before he does it. And it's important and incumbent for
people to take those stands and to be strategic and
to fight back and to stay at it, and so
in the final analysis, I'm glad that Harvard's doing what
they're doing, and hopefully it creates courage for other folks
to do the same.

Speaker 15 (01:19:32):
Misdafa, you let somebody punk you, they're gonna keep punking you.

Speaker 14 (01:19:37):
It's the lesson that all of us have learned when
we were on the playground bully messing with folks. But
he didn't mess with the person who said, you know what,
my mama said, I could pick up this brick and
bust you in your head if you don't leave me alone.

Speaker 15 (01:19:49):
I'm not saying that we have to do violence, but
I am saying that you can't let people continue to
bully you.

Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
You know, it's interesting when you look at the move
that he tried to make here. He said, nothing says
fighting elitism like punishing schools for not pledging allegiance to you.

Speaker 15 (01:20:05):
And that's exactly what he wants. He wants your power.

Speaker 14 (01:20:08):
He wants you to give it up so that he
can continue to just put more of it together and
continue to just move down the road without any folks
pushing back against them.

Speaker 15 (01:20:17):
So, you know, I appreciate what Harvard's doing.

Speaker 14 (01:20:20):
I believe and I think building upon what Joe said,
we just need more folks to come together, both different
types of schools and the individuals who went there, to
be able to create this front against you know, these
injustices that keep happening. But you know, folks are going
to have to make a decision if you're going to
give up your power, if you're going to stand your ground.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
All right, folks, let's talk about this story here that's
pretty wild. Three black men, they in Maryland, they go
to Arizona for a baby shower. Well, all of a sudden,
there's this so called mix up where they rent a
car and then they get accused of stealing the car.
Got this body cam video footage. It shows these men

(01:21:03):
all calm, but also confused and caught off guard when
they were surrounded back cops outside of the outside of
the Canes Restaurant and Glennen Theree, Arizona. We got audio.

Speaker 24 (01:21:11):
Seat on the curb, hey, man, have a seat on
the curb. Have a seat on the curb. Have a
seat on the curb. Have a seat on the curb. Please, sir, sir,
step out. Have a seat on the curb. Have a
seat on the curb. Please take it with you have

(01:21:35):
a seat on the curb. Yes, sir, have a seat
on the curb. Yes, sir, have a seat on the curb. Yes, sir,
have a seat on the curb. I have at seen
on the curb. Please please, sir, have a.

Speaker 25 (01:21:50):
Seat dressing free? Can you stepping knuckles?

Speaker 15 (01:22:05):
Hey, y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Explaining it all to you guys in just a moment. Okay,
all right, a lot of talent from Maryland. What's up
from Maryland?

Speaker 12 (01:22:11):
Out of talent?

Speaker 25 (01:22:12):
Oh, I'm from d C.

Speaker 12 (01:22:13):
Oh nice, Yeah to my kids.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Man, want no problem.

Speaker 18 (01:22:21):
We'll explain it all.

Speaker 8 (01:22:22):
You see.

Speaker 25 (01:22:22):
You got to get you hopefully, guys walk out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Okay, nobody got any guns?

Speaker 18 (01:22:27):
No, no, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
On tomorrow flight six in the morning, a flight.

Speaker 12 (01:22:32):
Yeah, not a good time to fly if you go.

Speaker 9 (01:22:35):
Out of d yeah, DCA.

Speaker 18 (01:22:39):
All right, don't let them scary.

Speaker 24 (01:22:43):
They're just coming for us just because I called.

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
Whose car?

Speaker 10 (01:22:48):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
All right? So y'all, this is a fifteen minute long video.
Now they were driving a blue Dodge Charger.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
They rented the car through the app to Row was
the car sharing app like Airbnb for vehicles. Joining me
now is Jeffrey?

Speaker 12 (01:23:06):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Do Couabina, Assante Daniel, and Pofo along with the attorney
Kevin Murray. So glad to have uh uh y'all here.
So I'm just so what happened? What? What caused y'all
to get stopped? Did somebody call in? Did some money
to see y'all make a wrong turn? How did y'all
get stopped?

Speaker 12 (01:23:29):
We don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:23:31):
We were inside the Canes restaurant. Uh when we came out,
as you've seen the video, we were getting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Into stop and stop stop. I'm sorry, y'all weren't driving. No,
y'all were in a restaurant.

Speaker 12 (01:23:45):
Yes, cars parked.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Car was parked, yes, sir. So that means that they
were just scanning license plates.

Speaker 22 (01:23:55):
Fortunately, I could tell you from what from what they
said is that we tripped the system, something in the
system when we passed a traffic light or a camera
or something.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
Like that, something to that effect. That's what they told us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Okay, they claimed y'all tripped a system and then all
of a sudden. How long were y'all inside the Canes?

Speaker 12 (01:24:19):
Probably ten to fifteen minutes?

Speaker 16 (01:24:21):
Max took the order to go, got the food and left.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah, walk out of Canes and all of a sudden,
y'all look up and it's just cops everywhere.

Speaker 12 (01:24:31):
Guns drawn.

Speaker 16 (01:24:31):
Immediately, so me and Jeffrey actually got into the car.

Speaker 12 (01:24:37):
We didn't see the cop.

Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
The driver Quab was the last one getting in the
car because he had to put his food at the
top of the car. And then we heard the cop
kind of like yelling at him to sit on the curve.
We of course, were clueless. We didn't know what was
going on, so you can see the confusion initially, so
it was one cop at first. He had just done
drawn as soon as he got the cars. You can
see in the body can for After he told Paul

(01:25:03):
to sit on the curve, he told me to get
out of the car. I was in the back passing
passenger seat.

Speaker 12 (01:25:09):
I had my drink in my hand and I asked.

Speaker 16 (01:25:10):
Him if I could put it down and he said no,
so I had to take it with me. And then
he told jeff to get out the car last, and
then he.

Speaker 12 (01:25:19):
Uh called for backup.

Speaker 16 (01:25:20):
If you cant hear him coming in the backround, you
heard him say that the backup is coming. At this time.
He didn't tell us what was going on. We still
don't know why we're being pulled over.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
So right now, y'all don't know. Y'all still don't know
why you got pulled over.

Speaker 16 (01:25:32):
No, as you heard him say, he said he was
gonna let us know in a minute, and minute turned
into maybe five to seven minutes. We didn't know for
a while why we were being pulled over.

Speaker 26 (01:25:42):
Yeah, bro, And these are all great questions you're asking,
and that's what we're starting with to get to the
bottom of the initial provocation of the officers and why
these young men were pulled over. Excuse me, why they
were handled the way they were handled.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Okay. So first of all, I don't I don't see it. Okay,
I don't see it in the script what it says
you're visiting Arizona. Where did this take place in Arizona?

Speaker 12 (01:26:09):
Glendale, Arizona?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Okay, Glendale, Arizona. Okay, got it all right? So, how
long were y'all detained?

Speaker 12 (01:26:17):
Like fifteen to twenty minutes? Yeah, I would say twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
After fifteen to twenty minutes, then what happened? They didn't
let y'all go?

Speaker 16 (01:26:24):
Yeah, So I get when they detained us, regusar Miranda
rights put us in the handcuffs, put us in the
back of the police car. Then they told us why
they go on treating us that way. Once they said
that my brother pub he had the reservations for Touro
for the car, so.

Speaker 12 (01:26:40):
He was able to show up.

Speaker 16 (01:26:41):
He didn't so handcuffs, but he gave him his past
when they unlocked his phone, that's when they saw the
reservation and saw that we didn't steal the car. We
legally rented it from Toro. And then they had a
brief discussion with their other officers and then they took
the handcuff office.

Speaker 12 (01:26:56):
Eventually, something they did they confiscated the rental car.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Though, so hold up this, I'm still so they reported.
So they claim that someone else reported the car stolen. Correct.

Speaker 16 (01:27:09):
They said it was a stolen car and we were
the ones in possession of the stolen car. They also
said that we fit the description of suspects, which he
still to this day haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Wait a minute, so you rent it, okay, So you
rented the car through too Ro, correct? And so is
that was that a person?

Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
There was a person's car.

Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
So yeah, there was another company that uses Toro to
rent out their cars, and we rented it through that company.
But of course, yeah, the umbrella company is Touro so
so ultimately it was through Toro.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
So did y'all then call the company and say, yo,
why is something that they claimed this car was reported stolen?
What did the company say?

Speaker 16 (01:27:53):
Well, not at that moment, because of course, you know,
after a situation like that, you deal with the shock
and the trauma. So our main goal after that situation
was just to make it back to our airbnb safe
and sound, because.

Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Right, situation like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Now, now when did this take place.

Speaker 12 (01:28:09):
This was a Saturday night, guys. Yeah, Saturday night, February first,
February first.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Okay, so it's been two months. What did the companies
say when y'all said, hey, the cops claimed this car
was reported stolen.

Speaker 12 (01:28:25):
Well, they said it was a mistake.

Speaker 16 (01:28:26):
They said they did report it stolen, but then they
said that they were recovered the car.

Speaker 12 (01:28:31):
What what the company said?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
The company claims they did report it stolen, correct, but
they but they.

Speaker 12 (01:28:41):
They covered the car.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yes, they recovered the car, correct. So did the company
ever notify cops?

Speaker 12 (01:28:48):
That's the that's the million dollar questions.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Sir.

Speaker 16 (01:28:50):
We're not sure.

Speaker 12 (01:28:51):
Okay, that's that's that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
So Kevin, I got to ask you you would turn it.
Who the hell y'all? Who the hell y'all sing?

Speaker 26 (01:28:59):
Everybody will be very very clear, and we're investigating, and
all the responsible parties are on the line until they're
not until they can prove that they didn't do they
didn't do it something wrong.

Speaker 12 (01:29:12):
Be very very clear, whether it be the.

Speaker 26 (01:29:14):
Name of the company they used, touro Turo for not
clearing it.

Speaker 12 (01:29:19):
And we're even looking into the police department.

Speaker 26 (01:29:21):
Make sure they went through the proper protocols, the proper
policies and procedures.

Speaker 12 (01:29:27):
That they were supposed to do in the way they
handled the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Okay, I got to go back. They said, y'all fit
the description correct. So was there a description that three
people stole a car when we.

Speaker 13 (01:29:38):
Asked, When we asked what the description was, they never
told us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
We asked multiple times and nobody gave a description. So
you know, okay, so.

Speaker 12 (01:29:49):
Benefit of doubt, we know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
No, No, but here's the whole deal. Though, if a
car was reported stolen by the couple that used to row,
they had to find that they had to add shure
to file a report. Have y'all seen the actual stolen
car report they filed?

Speaker 26 (01:30:08):
I have it, I haven't seen, And we've just hired
recently and we're investigating an investigator in Arizona right now
doing just that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Because my mind is, if they filed, if they claim,
if they filed a report, this notion fit the description,
which means that it had to have been described to
them that three black men stole a blue dodge.

Speaker 12 (01:30:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Wow, did y'all eventually make it to the shower, well,
this was after the shower actually got it? And how
soon did y'all get out of Arizona.

Speaker 12 (01:30:48):
The next morning?

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Tagged up that night and got out of there that
next morning? Unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, Jess, keep us a
breast what what happens next?

Speaker 18 (01:31:00):
Thank you, and we appreciate you very much for having
on your SHOWPI.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Thanks a lot of you. Uh Joe, this is the
reality being black in America. Damn, you can't rent, you
can't rent a vehicle, Then you fit the description.

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
Come on, man, it's a cold game.

Speaker 13 (01:31:17):
And and of course they're first of all, I'm glad
the brothers are live because you know, you got guns drawn,
you got all this stuff going on, and obviously these
brothers would be a threat with a drink from Canes
in their hand, right, So I think it's going to
be very interesting. Tourney, of course, is dealing with it
the right way that everybody's on.

Speaker 12 (01:31:38):
Until we see demishably that they're off.

Speaker 13 (01:31:41):
But I'll give you ten to one that they won't
find anything in writing.

Speaker 12 (01:31:44):
With with a description three black men still in that vehicle.

Speaker 13 (01:31:47):
I'm almost certain of that you'll probably be able to
catch them in that lie. But this reminds you how
quickly things can can can go awry. And I remember
speaking on a panel at a college and the kids
were mad when I told them we're talking about how
to deal with police stops being stopped by police, and

(01:32:08):
they want to argue the unfairness. We understand that, but
it's kind of hard when they're the ones with the
gun and societies benefit of the doubt, because what I
told them is, I would rather deal with you being
that you made it as opposed to dealing with your
parents because you didn't. These brothers deserve a lot of

(01:32:28):
credit because they stayed calm. They didn't give these guys
a reason to fly off the handle.

Speaker 12 (01:32:35):
And the most important thing.

Speaker 13 (01:32:36):
Frankly, I think they've got a good case, but the
most important thing is surviving the contact. And they were
able to do that because they were compliant. They asked questions,
can we do that? Can I hold my trunk? You
tell me to hold my drink? Can I sit down
with it? You know those types of things. I think
that every brother that is out there that wants to

(01:32:56):
channel four hundred years of slavery and all this other
stuff into this police stop which should not have happened.
But you decide that the hill you may literally want
to die on. I'm not saying that you're wrong and
feeling that way. What I'm saying is survive the contact.
And I think these brothers did a good job.

Speaker 11 (01:33:13):
Then, Larry, Yeah, watching that video ruling, this is traumatic
for all of us, you know, either been in situations
like that or no other people in our family affronts
have been in.

Speaker 12 (01:33:24):
Situation like that.

Speaker 11 (01:33:25):
And I think the bottom line is these brothers survived
this encounter. Let's remember statistically, black folks are two to
three times more likely to be killed by law enforcement
based on encounters, not being arrested encounters. So anytime we
see situations like this, we can, as my colleague highlighted,
it can go south really fast. And then you can
have an issue where someone has been shy and accused

(01:33:48):
of reaching or whatever else they you know, will come
up with. But the language you heard in terms of
you know, they fit the description. We've heard that far
too many times to count in our lives. So again,
you know who I'm glad they're going to do. Whoever
is gonna be responsible. This could end it in the
tragedy and really impacted the lives of multiple families. But

(01:34:09):
this is another example things that happen every day in America.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
What's topful?

Speaker 14 (01:34:17):
I mean, this brother's had the trifecta, right, driving while black,
parking while black, eating while black. Luckily we get to
talk about black joy because they got a chance to
make it home, and Joe talked about survival and that's
what it's all about, so that we can live to
fight another day.

Speaker 12 (01:34:33):
So it'll be.

Speaker 14 (01:34:34):
Interesting to see how the case plays out and hopefully
they get justice.

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Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Imagine being a pioneer golfer on the latest Professional Golf
Association Tour. But then again, you're like, that's in your
DNA when your dad built the first black golf course
in the countries in Clearview, Ohio, and of course Bill
Powell built that course. The family continues that that course

(01:37:55):
is called Clearview Golf Clubs in Canton, Ohio's sorry, first
of all. It's near Kenton, Ohio. Uh and they have
an annual love fund raised as a golf tournament taking
place in June. Renee Powell joins us right now. She
is the uh LPGA PJ head golf professional at Clearview.
But not only that, she also of course, of course

(01:38:18):
made history herself on the LPGA tour, has traveled all
across the country. H and also a lot of different
things are named after her as well. Renee, glad to
have you here. How you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Good to see you.

Speaker 27 (01:38:33):
I know yesterday you were wearing a great big cowboy hat.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Well, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
So after last I'm wearing a hat tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Well yeah, I was at the I was at the
Hooliana Blowfishes Monday after the matches golf tournament. My man
Darius Rucord invited me. I was had all my Houston
Rockets gear on, so I had to represent h town.
Uh and so that's what I was doing there. And
but of course, but today a UH is Jackie Robinson Day,

(01:39:03):
and so I always listen. I normally only wear Houston
astro stuff, but on this day I make an exception
by wearing the Brooklyn Dodgers blue uh. So that's what
I'm doing. So again, like I said, we had a
great time, uh with a great time yesterday. Uh tea
and off with the guys. They raised a lot of

(01:39:24):
money for education efforts. Uh there in uh there in
South Carolina, and so we had a good time. So yes,
I had some fun and am always hitting a golf
course uh somewhere. This was this was us playing sunday.
Uh teene it up in the teen, it up in

(01:39:45):
the in the practice round. And so we had a
great time yesterday. So let's talk. Let's talk about what
you're doing next month. I'm sorry, in June, in June.

Speaker 27 (01:39:55):
Well in June, in June even ninth, Well, you know,
a really great friend of ours who actually sponsored I
was the major sponsor for our LPGA pro am was
was a good friend by the name of FRANKL.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Harris.

Speaker 27 (01:40:09):
And so we are we've been in the process of
raising lots of funds for an automatic irrigation system and
uh so we're having an event on June the eighth,
June the ninth, there's a dinner at the Pro Football
Hall of Fame and on on that Sunday, and then
Monday the ninth, we're having uh an LPGA pro am

(01:40:31):
honoring FRANKL.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Harris because he was such a.

Speaker 27 (01:40:33):
Great part of of all the things that we do
here and as I say, a really good friend.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
So you know, because of that, we're honoring him.

Speaker 27 (01:40:42):
And it's a fundraiser both both evenings, both days.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
For the folks, for the folks who don't know, who
don't know the history of Clearer View. Uh just explained
the folks the historic nature of this course.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Well, we're celebrat seventy nine years this year.

Speaker 27 (01:41:01):
We've never had an irrigaging system, but seventy nine years.
Because my dad, after World War Two, back in nineteen
forty six, came back from Scotland and England and found
that he still wasn't welcome at area golf courses. And
his thing was to create opportunities for all people, regardless
of the color of your skin, regardless of your religion

(01:41:23):
or whatever. You know, they didn't want women on the
golf course much, they didn't want kids and juniors on
the golf course very much in those days, and they
certainly didn't want people that look like me and black
people in the golf course. So my dad's big thing
was creating opportunities, and so that's how Clearview was built.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
The first nine hos he literally built by hand with a.

Speaker 27 (01:41:43):
Hand seater around his neck that he turned and literally
walked back and forth, back and forth every single fairway
to see the fairways. And that's how Clearview came into existence.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
So built by hand. And so that was the first
nine nine holes. What about the next nine When did
it become an eighteen whole course?

Speaker 27 (01:42:04):
And not until actually not until nineteen seventy eight. So
he began building the course in forty six, opened it
in forty eight, and then for the first nine hose
and second nine host he was able to put him
in nineteen seventy eight, which was thirty years later.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
And so you talk about this irrigation system of people
who don't understand if you don't have water going to
all parts of the course, it's going to be a
problem problem keeping it in shape.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
You're right.

Speaker 27 (01:42:35):
And the thing was that we have sort of antiquated
irrigation where we had to drag hoses from green to green,
and the greens are big. When Daddy built the course,
his thing was he was only going to build nine holes,
and he made the rings very large based off of
some of the greens that he saw in Scotland, and
they were for different pin plates, different pin positions. When

(01:43:00):
we put the hoses out, we have to water the greens.
It's four different pen positions and it takes an hour
each time, so every green takes four hours to water.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
But we can water nine greens at a time.

Speaker 27 (01:43:13):
But now it was so dry last year and so hot,
we said that there's something we.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Needed to do. We needed to make a change.

Speaker 27 (01:43:20):
Somehow, some way, find a way to get irrigation system
in and so that's what we're working on now. And
they're working on it, and we're doing lots and lots
of fundraisers and making contacts with lots of people.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
So you and your brother talk about how do y'all
still keep this going? Who does it? So you go ahead?

Speaker 27 (01:43:43):
Yeah, So, I mean because of the fact that it's
you know, it's pretty incredible. I mean, Clearview is now
the National Register Historic Places, one of a very handful
of golf courses out of the roughly sixteen thousand. My
brother has been the golf course superintendent for years and years.
I came back to be they had golf professionals, so
the two of us work together.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
He knows everything on the golf.

Speaker 27 (01:44:05):
Course as far as maintenance, and I helped to put
together different things. And and as a golf professional, I
do a lot of teaching. We do programs for veteran
military veterans, We do programs for kids, for for seniors,
and then UH and then fund and then events and
fundraising events. Because we're it's a clear view legacy foundation

(01:44:25):
for education, preservation and turf grass research. We're a five
oh one C three tax exempt charitable foundation.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
So folks want to support. Obviously they get they get
a tax right off exactly by doing so. How long
is the course?

Speaker 27 (01:44:42):
The course is sixty seven hundred yards and from the
from the backs, and the front nine is a nice
walkable nine.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
The back nine is not as walkable. Well it is.
I mean you can get good exercise, really.

Speaker 18 (01:44:58):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
And there's four sets of tees and on all the
t's I play.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
So I'm trying to I think, I I'm trying to think.
I think I played there twice. I know I think
the Ojas had UH their golf tournament there. I played there.
And let me say listen, if there's anything people people
didn't understand golfers would tolerate decent tea boxes, they'll tolerate
decent fair ways, but if you got some jacked up greens, uh,

(01:45:26):
it would get added to and and and I and
I have no problem saying this here. The greens that
clearview were absolutely impeccable.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
And again I played golf courses all around the world
and I was like, yo, yo, brother be handling his
business with those greens.

Speaker 27 (01:45:47):
Yeah, he's I mean, he baby sits those greens. So
uh yeah, and you know what, I think, that's golf course.
And the greens helped me when I went out out
on tour.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Actually yeah, because bomb line is you got those fast
greens on tour. This is some video here of your
father driving a golf cart. There was a store that
was done on him. And again, you know, a legendary figure.
And I don't think people really understand the racism that
he had to deal with, but also the racism that

(01:46:19):
you had to deal with when you were on the
LPGA tour.

Speaker 27 (01:46:22):
Oh my gosh, you're right. So you know, I mean
I came along twenty years later after Daddy had built
the golf course, you know, playing on the tour, and
I mean, I used to get threat letters in my life,
and I'm like, I'm in my own country. All I'm
doing is trying to hit this little golf ball back there,
and back.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Then all the golf balls were white. Now we have
yellow and pink and Greek.

Speaker 27 (01:46:42):
But trying to hit this little golf ball and not
bothering anybody else. But you know, I mean it was
because I first went on tour back in the late sixties,
and so there were a lot of things that were
not very.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Pleasant, absolutely absolutely, and so lots going on. So it
tell us out this, uh, this golf tournament next month, right.

Speaker 27 (01:47:04):
Okay, So so it's uh, it's foursome.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Plus there is a celebrity athlete with each group.

Speaker 27 (01:47:11):
I was talking to, uh, since you on baseball right now,
I was talking to Reggie Jackson last night, and uh
so Reggie is is planning on on on coming to
that because he and frank O Harris were very very
close friends. Uh, he's gonna let me know, you know,
whether he can be there one or two days or
both or both days. But also Cheyenne Woods, who played

(01:47:33):
on the LPGA Tour after me. Cheyenne is as most
people know as the niece of Tiger. Uh to Clark
call Logg who was a basketball person, and and uh
Jerome Bettets, who even though he is you know, we're
Cleveland Browns fans here. But of course Franco was a
Steeler and so is so is Jerome Bettets. So it's

(01:47:55):
going to be a funny event. As I said, the
first night, the first on Sunday night, we're having an
event that's going to be at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, uh and where we'll be able to honor
frankl there and also the next day at the golf
course for the pro am.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
So if you go ahead, I.

Speaker 27 (01:48:15):
Was gonna say, if you go on our website, which
is Clearviewgolf Club dot com. All the information is on
there as to how one can sponsor, you know, very
sponsorships and talks about the evening before and end of
the day the pro am day.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Questions out from our pound, Uh, let's see, I'll do
any of y'all play golf? Larry Joe A Mustafa.

Speaker 12 (01:48:38):
I messed with it a little bit, but I started kind.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Of late, so okay, okay, okay. Like I said, the
question was, do any of y'all play golf? When somebody
says I kind of mess with it, that means you
do not play golf. Go ahead, Joe, but.

Speaker 27 (01:48:53):
He's got golf clubs, obviously I got I got some
beautiful golf clubs, which.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
I mean they collect dust in the garage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
You have all the wrappings off of them.

Speaker 12 (01:49:06):
Actually the rappings are off.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
I will say that probably ain't a speck of dirt
on those golf clubs.

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
See rolling, Now you're wrong, But.

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
In any event, you know you.

Speaker 16 (01:49:16):
Know I'm right.

Speaker 13 (01:49:19):
So I'd be interested in your thoughts because what you're
doing is so historic and it's multi generational, starting with
your father.

Speaker 12 (01:49:28):
How do you feel about the state of golf and
the state.

Speaker 13 (01:49:30):
Of being having young people and young black people involved
in golf today?

Speaker 12 (01:49:37):
How do you feel about that we just saw the.

Speaker 13 (01:49:38):
Masters happen right, They unveiled a mural that speaks to
the greatness of black caddies, which often included for Jack Nicholas,
which people often didn't realize or didn't want to realize,
and try to act like it was.

Speaker 12 (01:49:54):
Something other than what it was.

Speaker 13 (01:49:55):
Tell me about your thoughts about how far we've come
as you see it today.

Speaker 27 (01:50:00):
Well, you know, it's great to see more and more
young people playing the game of golf.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
There are programs.

Speaker 27 (01:50:07):
The LPGA does an LPGA USD Girls Golf Club program.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
The first team was started, which back in.

Speaker 27 (01:50:14):
The nineties, and I was involved with helping to put
together the Cricklam programming and so that's it's changed a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
It was it was.

Speaker 27 (01:50:24):
Developed for purposes for those who did not have access,
and it's changed a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
But where I think golf.

Speaker 27 (01:50:31):
Needs to be a little bit more is we need
to have more black people in upper management in our industry,
which we don't have as much as I think we
should and could. But seeing more young people get involved.
And you know, the one sad thing is that the
LPGA this year is celebrating seventy five years and over

(01:50:54):
those seventy five years, there have only been eight black
females to play on the LPGA tool.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
That's not very many in seventy five years.

Speaker 12 (01:51:04):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
Larry, Larry's down there in Florida him play Stitch of Golf.

Speaker 11 (01:51:10):
What listen, I'm working I'm working on that this summer.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
So you know, yeah, here we go.

Speaker 11 (01:51:17):
I'll get back to you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
I think real one's going to hold you to that precisely.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
I know he is.

Speaker 11 (01:51:24):
That's why I'm gonna get it together before you ask
me the next time. So so yeah, thank you for
continuing your father's legacy. And my question kind of relates
to my colleague. Colleague got to about, you know, working
with young people. We know that Howard University has a
golf program Steph Curry supporting that program. What are some
of the things you're doing in terms of you know,
you know, work with young people in terms of high schools,

(01:51:46):
particularly HBCUs right with the opportunity to kind of talking
about Howard University, what other kind of outreach programs are
are you doing? Is a relase to high schools and
impossible colleges.

Speaker 27 (01:51:56):
Well, actually, when I first left the tour, one of
the things that I did do as I went around
to many of our.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
HBCU schools before anybody.

Speaker 27 (01:52:03):
Else has gotten involved or even thought about them, because
my thing was to go to these schools to talk
to the young people, telling them that once they leave
the academia world and go out into the real world,
golf is a sport that they needed to know how
to play.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
And so I did that all Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:52:22):
Back in the nineteen eighties, and so you know, I'm
always trying to encourage young people in our area to
participate in the sport of golf.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
And because I you know, and.

Speaker 27 (01:52:36):
Especially young girls, because there are a lot of scholarships
out there for young girls. I know that there is
a tournament called the National Minority or National Women's Golf
Championship Collegiate Golf Championship that was held two weeks ago,
and they actually played for the Renee Powell Cup, and
there are thirteen HPCUS women's golf teams that played in.

(01:53:00):
It was held down in Texas. A lady out of
Atlanta puts that on she's been doing it. This year
was the thirtieth anniversary for it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Mustafa now he's rocket. He wears the pain steward kingos,
but I ain't never seen him on a golf course.
Right moved top of go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:53:19):
I'm more of a elder and Calvin Pete type of person.

Speaker 18 (01:53:22):
But I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Bye wat.

Speaker 27 (01:53:25):
What does that mean that you're more of a Lee
Elder Calvin Pete type of pitch?

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
That don't mean nothing?

Speaker 14 (01:53:30):
What means they were the first that I ever noticed
playing the game so they were the ones that inspired
me to even start to watch golf.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
But do you play?

Speaker 15 (01:53:41):
Yes, I wouldn't I do actually playing, I.

Speaker 12 (01:53:43):
Wouldn't call that.

Speaker 15 (01:53:45):
You got to have a triple digit handicap with me.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
So you' just not You and Joe in the same boat.
Y'all messed with it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
I cannot believe that. I cannot believe it. None of
you are real golfers.

Speaker 27 (01:54:00):
None of you play, and here Roland plays every opportunity
he kip.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Damn.

Speaker 12 (01:54:06):
I didn't say I didn't play.

Speaker 18 (01:54:07):
I said I'm not very good.

Speaker 6 (01:54:09):
So there's a difference right there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
You play, you play at its.

Speaker 14 (01:54:15):
Well, at least I'm accepting where I am in my
journeying with your question, Yes, sir, I just wanted to
say thank you for your journey and your father's journey.

Speaker 15 (01:54:26):
I was curious.

Speaker 14 (01:54:26):
We had a conversation earlier in the show with the
black farmers around owning land, and I was curious about
Clearview and how your father was able to get that land,
especially you know at the time that that he developed
the course.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:54:41):
Well, my dad actually grew up in a little town
just ten miles down the road, which their family was
the only black family in the entire town.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
He discovered golf at the age of nine and.

Speaker 27 (01:54:54):
So, and he actually he started the first, very first
golf team at his high school. And also another fact
was he and his brother started the very first golf
team at Wilberforce University. And the first match ever played
in the United States between historically black college and a
white college was Wilberforce versus Ohio Northern. They played two

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matches that was in nineteen thirty seven and Wilberforce won
both matches.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
So a.

Speaker 27 (01:55:23):
After college and after World War Two, my dad came
back and he found as I said, he found out
he still wasn't welcome on area golf.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Courses except the one that he really grew up on.

Speaker 27 (01:55:34):
And he actually taught two black doctors how to play
the game of golf. My mom was from Campton o
High from the city. My dad was from out in
more of a rural area in Minerva, and he kept
driving by trying to find looking for land, and he
finally saw that there was seventy eight acres of an
old dairy farm that was for sale, and he actually stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
And able to what the doctors.

Speaker 27 (01:56:03):
They each put in a third of their money to
purchase the first seventy eight acres of land which the
nine holes went on. My dad didn't have his money,
so he borrowed his money from my uncle, who mortgaged
his house in California to get my dad his share
of the money.

Speaker 6 (01:56:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Well that's how that is done. And so it's a
it's a lot great going on again if folks want
to play clearview. The closest major city is Canton.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Canton, and it's the home of the Pro Football Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
So how how far is Canton from the golf course?

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Well seven miles.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Actually, oh see that's not for us.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Yeah, we're in East Canton.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Yeah, got it out. So let it so. Let everybody
again know first of all, day of the tournament where
they can actually donate if they can't play.

Speaker 27 (01:56:59):
All the particulars right, Okay, So the tournament dates are well.
June eighth is the dinner at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame and the event itself the Pro Am with
the LPGA Tour players and some other celebrity athletes male athletes,
and that is on June the ninth, on a Monday.

(01:57:20):
You can find all the information on our website which
is Clearview Golf Club dot Com.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
On the front page. It's going to have all the
information and how one can.

Speaker 27 (01:57:30):
Participate and all the various sponsorship opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
All right then, and so as I told you, I
know folks are wondering, as I of course had, I'm
playing wark Done's golf tournament the exact same day. Otherwise
I definitely will be there. So be sure you've got
to give me the date for next year so we
can lock that in.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Okay, we'll do.

Speaker 27 (01:57:53):
And next year we'll be celebrating the eightieth anniversary of Clearview.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Okay, all right, gend you the name to the FRANKL.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
Harrison Opje.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
All right, that'll be great. Uh. And again for Mustafa,
Larry and Joe. If y'all keep messing around, if y'all
put some work in, y'all might be as smooth as this.
This was a couple of years ago at the George
Lopez golf tournament. Uh. This is just just what. This

(01:58:21):
is what happens. If y'all put the work in, your
golf swing might be as smooth as this. You know.
But but just saying, just say the problem.

Speaker 13 (01:58:31):
With that, though, Rowland, is that if I'm out there
with you. I'm distracted because I'm looking at that hat.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Well, that means you can't playing is with that had on? Well,
see that's what happens. That's what happens when you have
proper rotation around your spine. The hat don't matter. See.
The of course, Joe probably would hit himself in the
head if he had one of those phones, if he
had one of those foam hats. Uh and so uh

(01:59:00):
this of course, and this of course that white witch
in Jamaica. So Joe, I'll help you with this one.
So if you look at I'm telling y'all, y'all need
to get on that range and y'all need to work
at it, because that's just silkie smooth. All right, we
got the bounce, Renee. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch.

Speaker 3 (01:59:17):
Okay, thank you, Roland, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
All Right, folks, we come back. I got a few
words to say on today Jackie Robinson Day in Major
League Baseball Tech Robinson and DEI, we'll be right back.

Speaker 20 (01:59:36):
This week on the other side of change. We're going
to examine how foreign policy impacts domestic policy, and how
domestic policy impacts feign policy.

Speaker 21 (01:59:44):
We are all intertwined, and we're going to have Hannah
Reed help us break down that topic.

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bad wolves of the globe because that puts us in
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Well, only on the other side of change on the blackstarn.

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Now work.

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My name is Locker, and you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered,
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Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
All right, folks. Today is April fifteen. Normally we know
today is being tax Day, but this is also known
as Jackie Robinson Day. This was the day that Jackie
Robinson debuted in white Major league baseball. Now let him explain.
I know some of y'all are sitting there saying, why
did he frame it that way? Well, because the Negro

(02:01:32):
leagues was also the major leagues. In fact, the real
talent in baseball was in the negro leagues. See, the
reason it was called the major leagues is because white
people owned it. White people financed the better stadiums, which
had better lighting, They had better uniforms, they had better travel.

(02:01:55):
But the reality is in the Negro leagues you had
significant talent, people like Satchel Paige and so many others,
Josh Gibson who played in the Negro Leagues, and so
on this day, all across Major League Baseball, every player
games today will be wearing the number forty two. Now

(02:02:17):
again with Jackie Robinson. As you see, I got forty two.
There's no name on the back of And so if
y'all see somebody wearing a Jackie Robinson jersey with Robinson
on the back, that's not how Jackie wore his uniform
with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Okay, So what's the correlation and
why was I kept saying about the issue of DEI. Well,

(02:02:40):
Jackie Robinson going into white major league baseball was the
ultimate DEI. DEI Sterns stands for diversity, equity and inclusion.
The reality is the racist in white major league baseball
purposely kept black baseball players out because they were racists.

(02:03:04):
They did not want black ball players in white major
league baseball. So when branch Ricky chooses to break the
color barrier, that was diversity, equity and inclusion. See, this
is really what DEI is all about. When you have

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racists create barriers that prevent entrgue, then you have to
create programs that solidify or create a pathway for quote
non traditional people meaning non white people to be able
to participate. And so that's all that was. Now the

(02:03:49):
problem is that after Jackie Robinson breaks the color barrier
in white Major League Baseball, those same racists said we
have to limit the number of black ballplayers on teams. Now,
that was no written rule that you couldn't have more
than three black ball players, but that was a rule.

(02:04:09):
In Bill Russell's book, he talks about the exact same thing,
how they limited the number of black basketball players. Exact
same thing. And so when we talk about Jim Crow,
we talk about the racism in this country, we talk
about DEI and all the attacks on DEI. Really, what

(02:04:30):
we are looking at in speaking to is when you
had white racists excluding black people from participating in a sport.
We said, again, this was white racists denying economic opportunities
for black people from being able to showcase their talent.

(02:04:54):
Let me unpack that further. This was white racist not
believing in merit, but saying we believe in white privilege,
where we provide opportunities just for white men to play
baseball and no one else. Let me unpack that further
for somebody who still is not quite understanding what I'm

(02:05:17):
talking about. Here, we had white men deciding, if they
were so scared of fragile white men losing their jobs,
if they created an artificial situation to where these fragile
white men were able to thrive and play in white

(02:05:40):
Major League baseball because they were afraid of these black
baseball players bringing their talent, and then talent deciding who stays.
Let me unpack that further for the folks who really
are not understanding what I'm talking about. If white folk

(02:06:00):
really felt that merit was so valuable, if white people
really believed in meritocracy, then there would be no need
for DEI programs. That would be no need for affirmative
action programs, there would be no need for you to

(02:06:22):
have to create a special recruitment inducements of things along
those lines, because you would be doing the right thing.
In fact, they're not doing the right thing. They're doing
the white thing. That's why it even exists. The reason
you have these Office of Civil Rights and the reason

(02:06:43):
you have these DEI officers, and the reason you have
all of these measurements that lay out why you have
to have DEI because white folk refuse to do the
right theme, and they keep doing the white theme. They
keep hiring their friends. They only go to recruit at
places that they know. They deny opportunities from folks who

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don't come from places they're not familiar with. So when
Barri Williams was on our show, she was talking about
when she was in Silicon Valley, how they would be
in meetings and the person who was deciding who gets
the internship or who gets the interview will go, oh,
I'm unfamiliar with that school, so therefore we're gonna put

(02:07:28):
them aside. And Barri would say, wait a minute, I'm sorry,
what are you doing right here? Because you don't know
the type of school that persons come from, You know
nothing about the brilliance of that student. You are making
an arbitrary decision to remove this black applicant from the
pool of talent because you were unfamiliar with the school.

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Two years ago, a study was done where they took
the names of black sounding names and white sounding names
exact say resume, and then they then set it out
and the white sounding name had a fifty percent chance
of getting a callback for the interview, then the black

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sounding name. We had a white sounding name and a
black sounding name, but the exact same resume. See this
is why I don't want to hear nothing from any
of these white races when they talk about they are
against DEI, because they say nothing about that, they have
no problem defending white privilege. White privilege is not a

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phrase that speaks to white people with economic resources. White
privilege means that by virtue of you being white, you
get the privilege of getting a call back. You get
the privilege of being hired. You get the privilege of
being able to walk in stores without being accosted. You
get the privilege of being able to sell your home

(02:08:55):
at a high value. You get the privilege of having
books of white people and photos of white people and
art of white people on your homes. Yet when you're black,
you got to remove all elements of blackness in your
home because mostly a white appraiser is going to praise
your home at a much lower value. This is why

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you have DI. You have DEI to create special contracting
programs because white businesses freeze out black businesses from the process.
Oh and the same company. Then the companies then create
these artificial barriers where we're going to concoct a special
set of rules that only white businesses can actually qualify

(02:09:43):
for the contracts. And so we're going to say insurance
has to be hire, a bonding has to be higher,
all these requirements. This is why DEI was created. DEI
is nothing but the grandchild of diversity officer. The versity
officer is nothing but the grandchild of the community affairs officer.

(02:10:05):
The community affairs officer was created in the aftermath of
affirmative action. Of course, it took place under Arthur Fletcher
and President Richard Nixon, and that simply followed President Lennon
bangs Johnson going to Howard University talking about the need
need to have affirmative action required. We are where we

(02:10:25):
are today because of DEI, because of white exclusion from
the process. White folks in this country created a system
where they excluded Black people from all parts of American society.
Black people could not tap grants, Black people could not

(02:10:48):
buy houses, Black people could not buy carloan, Black people
could not get corporate jobs. Why do black people represent
twenty percent of all federal jobs. It's because black people
could not work in corporate America. Twenty percent in federal government,
ten percent in corporate America. Why do you have so

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few black people in significant positions. It has nothing to
do with smart has nothing to do with talent. It
has to do with whether or not we have provided
an access to the same platform. If y'all want to
understand how whiteness works, I just need y'all to understand
what happened just the other day when I saw a

(02:11:31):
story in the New York Times. This is a perfect
example of how white privileged works and how whiteness works.
So I was sitting here reading the New York Times,
and the New York Times had a story on their
site called Chuck Todd wants you to Meet the Pods,

(02:11:55):
and it says, after leaving NBC News in January, the
former Meet the Press moderator is starting a new chapter
as a media entrepreneur. And I saw that, and I
was kind of like, wow, that's interesting. I soa allow
me to read further, and so I then begin to

(02:12:16):
scroll down and in the article by Benjamin Mullen, who
is the media reporter for the New York Times, he
begins to describe the life of Chuck Todd, and he
is going down, and he said, after leaving the corporate
home of Meet the Press in January, mister Todd is
embarking on a career as a media entrepreneur. He is

(02:12:39):
a podcast and a YouTube channel and plans to hire
other hosts for a podcast in video network focus on
politics and culture. He also said he was working with
an advisor from a major financial firm to build or
acquire a company focused on community news. They begin to
talk about how he's a all of these different things

(02:13:01):
and talking about what he's working on, and mister Todd's
business plan calls for a constellation of local sites owned
by their communities. Blah blah blah blah blah. Mister Todd
and the bank he is working with or eyeing a
purchase that could cost up to two billion dollars. He
declined to say whether he had lined up any backers

(02:13:23):
or specified the company they were looking at, but he
ruled out major newspaper publishers. Now, I saw that article
and I said, my god, it's amazing the things that
Chuck Todd is doing. So then I went over to YouTube,
and then when I went over to YouTube. I said, well, man,
Chuck Todd has got to be killing this thing on YouTube,

(02:13:44):
because they are describing Chuck Todd as being a media force,
a media entrepreneur. And I just sat there and said, man,
he must be killing that thing. Well, the day I
saw the article, I said, wow, it's to me that
Chuck Todd had twenty one hundred subscribers on his YouTube channel. No,

(02:14:08):
I'm sorry. I didn't say Chuck Todd had two point
one million. I didn't say Chuck Todd had two hundred
and ten thousand. I didn't say Chuck Todd had twenty
one thousand. They said Chuck Todd had twenty one hundred
YouTube subscribers. Well today, this is just three days later,
he now has eighty two hundred, eight point two eight.

(02:14:28):
And I sat there and I said, my god, he's
tripled his numbers, quadruped with his numbers in three days.
He's gone from twenty one hundred to eighty two hundred.
That's some of y'all may say, ro, I don't understand.
Why are you sitting there bringing this up, because in
six and a half years, the New York Times has

(02:14:49):
matter of fact, I take that back. The New York
Times did call us when Ben Smith was the media
reporter when they were working on the Carlos Watching article,
but they never called us to do a story on
high how I built Roland Martin unfiltered from the ground
up to now have almost two million subscribers, how we've
been profitable for five years, and how I built a

(02:15:11):
network called the Blackstar Network that has Oh. I'm sorry,
let me go back to that Chuck Start Chuck Todd story,
because the Chuck Todd story said that Chuck Todd is working.
They said Chuck Todd was working on launching a Oh
that's here, right here, he said, Chuck Todd plans to

(02:15:32):
hire other holds for a podcast and video network focused
on politics and culture. Oh do you mean like having
Reverend Doctor jackiehood Martin have her show for Field. Do
you mean like having Greg Carr having his show The
Black Table? Do you mean Bria Baker and Jamior Burley
having their show The Other Side of Change? Do you
mean when we had Stephanie Humphrey's show called The Pivot,

(02:15:55):
when we had other shows that on the network. Do
you mean that the business show we'll launch right now?
Do you mean that the health show we are launching
right now. Oh, I'm sorry. The New York Times Benjamin
Mullen has never called me about this. Now, if you
a media reporter, you can't say you didn't know because
Steve particularly over the LA Times, the media reporter, did

(02:16:16):
a big story on us last year laying out what
we are doing. I see some of y'all might be saying, roll,
I still don't understand the point. The point I'm making
is it is white privilege. When you are a white
media voice and you get a large story in the
New York Times, when you have launched a podcast that

(02:16:37):
has only generated twenty one hundred subscribers, and they land
out a story where you are talking about acquiring a
company up with some two billion dollars, when there's nothing
in your history that shows you've ever owned or run anything.
We call that white privilege. And see, this is precisely

(02:16:58):
what we're talking about here. See on this day, Jackie Robinson,
his book I Never Had It Made, always talked about
how do you create opportunities? How do you create space?
Jackie Robinson said it in his own words that if
there is one black person who is not free to
move and operate the way they should. Then I have

(02:17:20):
not made it. Jackie Robinson didn't say, oh, I'm one
of the I'm one of the special ones. I'm one
of the ones they chose to be able to have
riches in being able to go places and do things.
He said, No, if any one of my brothers and
sisters is not able to be able to work and
live where they want, I never had it made, so

(02:17:43):
don't say I made it. Same Jackie Robinson, who White
America loves to praise as a patriot, is the same
Jackie Robinson who said, I'm not standing for the Star
Spangled banner now, I'm not saluting the Pledge of Allegiance
because you can't stay here and tell me that I
need to stand for the national anthem and salute the

(02:18:05):
Pledge of Allegiance when you are viralently racist against me
and my people. M same Jackie Robinson, the same Jackie Robinson.
Days before he died, y'all could pull up on YouTube
when he was honored at a baseball game. He died
a few days later. Jackie Robinson who stood there and said,

(02:18:27):
I can't wait for the day when I look down
that line and see a black coach at third base.
Why is that? Because see you a black coach. You
can go on coach over there on first base, But
see that third base coach is the one who's next
to get hired as a manager. Even in his final days,
Jackie Robinson died, I think the age of fifty six.

(02:18:48):
He had died beat this for quite some time. Died
of a heart attack. The stress and all that in
his life, Jackie Robinson was still forcing major League baseball
to change.

Speaker 18 (02:18:58):
Here.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
I was at at the golf tournament, the golf tournament
and at hooting the Blowfish, and I was talking to
Tony Womack, former Major League baseball player. When Tony Womack played,
forty of major league baseball was black. Today is six percent. Okay,

(02:19:23):
I'm gonna repeat that for the folks who didn't hear me.
When Tony Womack said he came into the game of baseball,
it was forty percent black. Today is six percent. You
might say, I don't know what the big deal is. Well,
the big deal is baseball has the strongest union, has

(02:19:44):
the best contracts. You got baseball players who are signing
five hundred million dollars contracts, So that means that when
black men are being frozen out of Major League Baseball,
when you're not creating opportunities for black men and League baseball,
you're freezing them out of the richest of Major League Baseball.

(02:20:05):
And then if they don't get in as baseball players,
you damn sure are not going to get in as
scouts and managers and general managers. Right now in this country,
we are seeing white supremacists, white nationalists want to destroy
programs that create diversity, equity, and inclusion, that create an

(02:20:26):
opportunity for people to be able to access the so
called American dream because people who are still in charge,
not all people, but enough folk are in charge and
controlling who has access to the jobs, to the housing,
to the contracts, to the riches. And the reality is,

(02:20:51):
on the face, yes, things have changed since Jackie Robinson
played his first inning on April fifteenth, nineteen forty seven.
The reality is, on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five, we
are still dealing with the grandchildren of Jim Crow. And

(02:21:17):
reality is those racist views have not been refined and
they now still are withholding opportunities because for them, they
still want an America that is about whiteness, and the

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only color they want to see is the color in
the uniform comments from our parentls must off with you first.

Speaker 14 (02:21:47):
I mean everything you said. And Jackie Robinson was an
ambassador for change. She was an ambassador for equity and justice,
all the things that he went through and did it
with grace and dignity.

Speaker 15 (02:22:00):
And helped open up doors.

Speaker 14 (02:22:02):
So you know, wish him nothing but blessings as he
looks down on.

Speaker 1 (02:22:07):
Us, Larry.

Speaker 12 (02:22:11):
And Roland.

Speaker 11 (02:22:11):
I'm a baseball fan and watch baseball baseball for years,
big Philadelphia Phillies fan, and I've seen that in real
time of the last several years in terms of the
decrease of you know, African American baseball players. Obviously see
Betts Sabbathe was you know a few weeks ago found
out he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.
But we don't have enough black players in baseball, as

(02:22:34):
you highlighted. And the other thing is they talk about
the pipeline, but also majorly baseball has to do a
better job of marketing itself. But as we recognize, you know,
Jackie Robinson's stoic role in you know baseball, also remember
all the black players who never got an opportunity.

Speaker 12 (02:22:49):
You know, you know, we could.

Speaker 11 (02:22:50):
Go on on about the list of those individuals who
played during his time and for Jackie Robinson that were
phenomenal players who never got the opportunity. Last year, I
want to say the decease before. These antide policies are
really pro Jim Crow policies. So it's really important we
think about that, Joe.

Speaker 13 (02:23:09):
These policies are about the return of an advantage. It's
not about making us colorblind and fair. It's about us
going back to where we were for so long. And
I've said this before. Folks have had white folks have
had the force of tradition, the force of privilege, the
force of relationships, firmative action, and it's ill we're about

(02:23:31):
the force of law. And it's so important because we've
lost some progress in baseball to go down so far
from a percentage standpoint, particularly as it pertains to African Americans,
and often the way to get to the front office
is ground level, starting as a player. Meanwhile, back at
the ranch in football, for instance, you're seeing black folks

(02:23:52):
because mean you're seeing coaches that were never players who
are analytics guys getting coaching jobs. In their twenties, and
we really have to we we honor Jackie robinson tradition
of forcing change and doing it in a way where
people were receptive and were moved. He had to have

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a certain disposition to be successful in Major League Baseball
when there was no one else there, and he was
able to do it. And we've got to continue to
be determined to move it forward. And that's by making
sure the narrative is what it needs to be about
what is really going on here, what they really mean
when they say DEEI, what they what it's really about.
It's about them giving up an advantage, and they're willing
to change the rules.

Speaker 12 (02:24:34):
In order to keep that advent advantage. And they want
to do that at all comets.

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
Indeed, and indeed, so y'all, we're gonna keep pushing. We're
gonna keep prodding and uh in you know, in the
name of Jackie Robinson, in the name of Roy Campandella,
the name of Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson and all
of those brothers who were star athletes and the negro leagues.

(02:24:59):
And my last this one is this here, I need
black people to also remember this in our desire to
show white folks that we could compete on the field
with them. It also led us to destroy the negro leagues.
Jackie Robinson may have gone into the negro leagues, but

(02:25:20):
guess what, you didn't see a black owner go into
white major league baseball. And so that's the other thing
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