Tarrant Jail Deaths Outrage, Black Jobless Rate Rises, Tabitha Brown Sparks Debate, RMU 7th Anniv.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Come as Friday, September fifth, twenty twenty five, coming up
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Horrible economic numbers come out today. Donald Trump can't spend
us any other way. He has just strong the American

(00:35):
economy economists. Morgan Harper will join us to show you
and talk about the carnage left in his way. More
people dying in the Tarrant County, Texas jail and guess
what the sheriff fair refuses to answer the questions of
the Black County Commissioner. Commissioner Lisa Simmons will join us
right here on today's show. Also, man, a lot of
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(00:58):
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Speaker 2 (02:33):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Maga Sheriff Bill Waybourne took over as Arrant County share
for twenty seventeen. Ever since then, seventy people, not seven
seven zero, seventy people have died in the Arrant County jail.
Earlier this week at Commissioner's Court, Commissioner Alisa Simmons wanted
some answers, well, guess what this arrogant solb wouldn't even

(02:56):
show up watch.

Speaker 8 (03:00):
We did request the judge or excuse me, the judge,
the sheriff or one of his staff be present today
to provide a briefing. Instead, this morning I received an
email from the sheriff which I was asked to read
to the court. So this is dated September third, twenty
twenty five, to Tarrant County Judge Tim O'Hare and honorable
members of the Commissioner's Court. The Precinct two Commissioner continues

(03:24):
to ask for public briefings on in custody deaths at
the Tarrant County Jail. We have and will continue to
be very transparent with these cases in terms of what
information we are able to release. We are one of
the few agencies that issues a press release on in
custody deaths. The practice places us as one of a

(03:44):
limited number of agencies to proactively inform the public on
such sensitive matters. Should any of the public, the media,
or elected officials, including the Precinct two Commissioner, seek further information,
they are encouraged to submit a formal records request through
the Freedom of Inform Act. Furthermore, the repeated lack of
civility displayed by the Precinct two Commissioner towards Arrant County

(04:06):
staff is both hostile and unprofessional. I will not subject
anyone from this office to that type of inappropriate treatment. Therefore,
no one from this agency will participate in briefings requested
by the Precinct two Commissioner before this court. We appreciate
your understanding and remain available to collaborate in a respectful
and constructive manner related to other issues at your service.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Bill Wyburn, Sheriff.

Speaker 9 (04:31):
So to the absent Sheriff, Hi, So the briefings aren't
for the Precinct two Commissioner. The briefings are for the public.
The briefings are because you were elected to serve everybody.

Speaker 10 (04:55):
You should not.

Speaker 9 (04:58):
Choose who you update on our jail population, on video magistration,
on jail deaths.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Anything.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
The public tells us, the sixty nine elected officials in
this county what they want, and we do our best
to give it to them. If you don't want your
staff to come down here and take questions, that's your

(05:34):
responsibility in the first place. I didn't ask you to
send staff. I ask you to bring to come down here.
And where are you big tall guy, big hat, guns everything,
and you can't take questions from the citizenry, your constituents.

(06:01):
We need to be updated on these jail deaths. Nobody's
asking you for specifics. Two weeks after a jail death.
You give us what you got, and then you keep
coming and informing and updating the public, because we need
to know what keeps happening in this jail. You ought

(06:24):
to be you ought to want to be transparent, so
you stay over there wherever you are hiding, hiding from
your constituents and a one hundred and twenty five pounds commissioner.
You ought to be able to answer questions. I don't

(06:45):
know which camera they'll look into.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (06:50):
It's called responsibility, it's called professionalism. If you didn't do
anything wrong, come say it. It is the responsibility of
all elected officials to report out to the.

Speaker 10 (07:06):
People that elected us.

Speaker 11 (07:08):
It's just real simple.

Speaker 9 (07:09):
It's not deep. You don't have to send your staff
so you were elected to do.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Now, folks, let me have y'all out.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Two jailers are facing charges and the murdered chargers and
the death of Anthony Johnson Junior died after being a
pepper sprayed and forcibly restrained. In another case, a pregnant
woman was left to give birth a long in her sale.
Her baby did not survive all. But I thought these
people were so called pro life. Taxpayers have paid out

(07:43):
more than four million dollars in settlements and neglect, including
the largest payout in county history. Now again the sheriff
is like, I don't care. I'm not hearing for.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
The commissioners to answer these questions.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Joining us right now is Commissioner Lisa Simmons glad to
have you back on the show again.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I just want to be clear.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Seventy deaths since he took over in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 10 (08:11):
No, seventy six, so we can say.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Seventy six deaths.

Speaker 10 (08:18):
Yeah, we can say seventy five.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
I count baby z Noora, the child that passed away.

Speaker 10 (08:26):
She was born in custody.

Speaker 9 (08:30):
When it was discovered they rushed the baby to the hospital,
so she died at the hospital and the baby wasn't
in custody. But I count baby Sonora, so seventy five
with baby z Noora seventy six in eight years, we
have people.

Speaker 10 (08:48):
Dying in our jail at an ordinance rate.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
So there is a problem that's unacceptable. And when I've
been in office two and a half years, it was
suggested to me and I thought it would it a
great idea that after we have these deaths, the sheriff

(09:14):
come and brief us.

Speaker 10 (09:16):
So he decides when he's going to come and when
he's not going to come.

Speaker 9 (09:24):
So if it's somebody that died, you know, from a
heart attack, you'll come and brief you. But if it's
legal force or questionable, he just doesn't show up.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
No, no, no, again, I want to pay all the public
to understand something here.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Commissioners are elected.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
The sheriff is elected, but the budget for the sheriff's
department is approved by the Commissioner's Court, so he does
answer to the commissioner's court when it comes to budget.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
These are county employees.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
Absolutely, he's elected. We control the purse strings. But remember
Terran County is the last largest Republican county in the country,
or the fourteenth largest county in the country. Where the
last read county in the country. And so the commissioner's

(10:26):
courts here are five people and there are two Democrats
and three Maca Republicans, and so they support every penny
that the sheriff and the district attorney budget and want
to spend. So there's that, and people come to the podium.

(10:47):
The public come to the podium and tell us to
fire him. But because he's elected, the Commissioner's Court can't
fire him. The people have to make sure they don't
reelect him.

Speaker 10 (11:02):
So we do cook.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
But here's what so are you telling me?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So are you telling me you've had seventy five seventy
seven deaths to twenty seventeen. And the other commissioners, the Republicans,
they don't care.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
They literally aren't demanding answers.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
They're not trying to hold the shriff accountable, and they
are perfectly acceptable with him being insubordinate, saying, oh, I'm
not going to show up because Commissioner Simmons is hostile
when all you do, all you are doing is demanding answers,
which your constituents elected you to do.

Speaker 10 (11:39):
The other court members are not going to ask him
to come. They're not going to force him to come.
They're not going to try to convince him to come.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
They are friends, so they are shielding him. They are
shielding him. In the meantime, there are families seeking answers.
There are families like Anthony Johnson Junior's family seeking justice,
like Chassity Bonners family seeking justice.

Speaker 10 (12:17):
They want answers. In the Chasity Bonner case.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
Did she in jail three weeks?

Speaker 10 (12:25):
How did she get ventanyl?

Speaker 9 (12:27):
And where the medical records had said she died from fentanyl?
Better yet, where are the three minutes of video missing
from her bookend?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
There are so.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
Many questions and he is not answering them. He's not
being forced to speak to these families.

Speaker 10 (12:51):
Respond to me, a duly elected officer of the state,
the commissioner's court.

Speaker 9 (12:59):
He has said, no, you just and was cowardly enough
to send an email and I can forward you the email.

Speaker 10 (13:09):
So this is ridiculous. Keep in mind, the sheriff's.

Speaker 9 (13:17):
Own son was arrested back in March March third for
solicitation of a miner and assault of a police officer,
both felonies and one misdemeanor. He has never darkened the

(13:37):
door of the Terran County jail. No charges have been
filed by our DA, who vigorously continues to pursue Crystal Mason.
The sheriff's own son is still out here two felonies,
solicitation of a miner and assault of a peace officer.

(14:03):
So this is the this is the law enforcement leadership
we have in Tarror County.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So so we discussed this last night.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
And the bottom line is these are county wide positions,
and this is where we've got to have a concerted
effort of black folks of progressive voices h to be
organized and mobilized. This sheriff can be voted out, This
district attorney can be voted out.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Uh. And that's just the fact.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And even though they're jerry mandering, Listen, these commissioners can
be voted out.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And so people have to actually give a damn and
use the power of their vote to do so. I mean,
you're down there fighting this. You're like a lonely voice
in the wilderness.

Speaker 12 (14:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
But but I really hope people, people of conscience, people
of color, black people, and Tran County are preparing to move.
When is the election for the sheriff and the district attorney.

Speaker 9 (15:03):
For the district attorney, it's November twenty twenty six, same.

Speaker 10 (15:08):
Time is me.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
The sheriff was just re elected in November, so he's
here for another three and a half years.

Speaker 10 (15:19):
And we before I was elected.

Speaker 9 (15:23):
Let me give credit where credit is due, there were organizations,
advocacy organizations already at Commissioner's Court showing up about these
jail debts, unity in the community, the United for Worth.
Those are two African American led and membership organizations, The

(15:47):
Justice Network, Terran for Change and The for Worth Terran
County branch of the NAACP. So with regard to jail
UH issues in jail reform, they have been on it
and so they are there.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
They are with me.

Speaker 10 (16:07):
We work together, but.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
The broader and and and since I've come into office, UH,
my staff has helped me, along with the advocates, elevate
this issue more so.

Speaker 10 (16:20):
You know it's out there.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
Everybody in Arren County knows about Bill Waybourn this jail,
but they didn't.

Speaker 10 (16:28):
They didn't vote him out.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
They didn't vote him out, so we're stuck with him
for another four years.

Speaker 10 (16:35):
These families are not.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Experiencing the justice that they deserve, the answers that they
they need to bring closure. And at the same time,
taxpayers are your Your dollars are going.

Speaker 10 (16:54):
To settlement payouts.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
And not only that, when you look at the Anthony
Johnson Junior case, the terrible lethal force case. I've seen
the entire video and it is horrific.

Speaker 10 (17:09):
We are you, we are paying.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
We have been paying outside council to come in and
do the disrict attorney's work. It's it's it's terrible here.
Lots of stonewalling, gas lighting of constituents, you know, won't

(17:33):
give me data that I request, and now trying to
paint me as an angry black woman. So I mean,
it's it's unfortunate here and people like you and I
don't say, get a vote.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'll bring my panel.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Michael m Hotep host Africa History Network show out of Detroit.
Matt Banning, civil rights attorney joining us out of Corpus
CHRISTI uh exis Kenna is Kelly Legal analysm hosts Not
All Hood Podcasts out of South Orange, Georgia.

Speaker 13 (18:05):
Matt you first, Yeah, so commissioner, first off, good afternoon
to you. I had a question for you, kind of
a procedural question. So is Terrence County generally insured by
tax by the Texas Association accounties.

Speaker 10 (18:22):
Yes, Well we're large enough into that.

Speaker 14 (18:25):
End commission go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry I cut
you off.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
So we we do consult with tack on insurance, but
we're large enough to self insured, so.

Speaker 14 (18:41):
To self insured.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (18:43):
The reason I asked is when I saw this story,
and thank you for your advocacy. By the way, I
was very interested in whether there was a way you
could just directly get any claim that they've made and
then publish that to the people. Because I deal with
this all the time with counties. You know, any of
my represent somebody in a jail debt situation. It's very
difficult to get the information because of all the PIA exceptions.

(19:07):
As you well know, the sheriff can say it's a
pending investigation and all that stuff, so it's very difficult
to get. But as a commissioner, it seems like you
could get any claim that's made because customarily the county
attorney's going to send it to outside council. So is
that a means by which you can get information and
disseminate it because you don't have to go into executive
session for that right, you can get that. Let your

(19:28):
constituents know.

Speaker 10 (19:30):
Yes, yes, yes, sir, you're right, I can request it.

Speaker 9 (19:33):
I've requested data from this county and it's been it
hasn't been given to me. I've been told that me
and like you said, do you understand I'm an elected
official have to get an attorney general's opinion. I mean,
it's the continued insult and the disrespect that I a

(20:00):
a mission that runs this county have to go to
the Attorney General to get an opinion on releasing information
to me, an elected county commission. It is a it
is a it's stonewalling and its finest. But I will
as as soon as we as soon as I'm off,

(20:24):
I will email over and ask for claims and see
what I get.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, Lusten, you're dealing with some crazies down there, And okay,
fine that that idiot at idiot sheriff is still there.
But we can certainly move to take out that DA
come next year, and I certainly hope people are organizing
and mobilizing to actually do that.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Commission Simons, we appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (20:50):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, folks.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Gonna go to a quick break. We come back.

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Speaker 2 (22:41):
Ooh my goodness, folks, the.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Economic numbers that drop today's show horrible, horrible, horrible horrible
job creation in this country, Black unemployment jumps to seven
point five percent. Let me see that again, in case
you've misheard me, seven point five five percent. That's black
unemployment last year it was a low of six point

(23:05):
one And where all those black magapeople, where's the help?
I thought they were sitting here saying things are going
to be great, This is going to be the Golden era.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, guess what this is?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Basically signaling a significant slowdown in the US economy when
it comes to employment growth overall folks last versas proximately
twenty two thousand jobs. Just twenty two thousand jobs were
added last month, significantly below the expectations of around seventy
five thousand jobs that economy is projected. Now, overall employment

(23:37):
rate increased to four point three percent, and we see,
of course, and we see what's happening with black people, specifically,
unemployed among black men increased to seven point one percent,
for black women to spike to six point seven percent.
The rights of uneployment rates for black women, often the
early indicator of economic downturn, serve as another warning sign.
Morgan Harper is the director of policy and Advocacy at

(23:59):
the American Economic Liberties Project. Glad to have you back
up a shoe, Morgan, I thought, Maga said this is
supposed to be amazing. Oh, we were just gonna be raining,
it's gonna be raining cash and things were going to
be made. Now they're trying to blame the Fayette and
Jerome Powell. No, how about your stupid terrorists. How about

(24:20):
the rising and food prices? In all we are seeing
a Trump was handed a great economy from Biden, Harris
like he was previously handed a great economy from Obama Biden,
and he's screwing it up.

Speaker 17 (24:36):
Yeah, there's no denying, And I mean, I think we
don't need to look any further than the White House
itself had to admit today how bad these numbers are.
We know that these are not people that will ever
admit to anything negative about Donald Trump, and they had
There was no denying only having twenty two thousand jobs
created last month. The fact that this is not just

(24:57):
below expectations for what we were expecting for August for this year,
but it's seventy percent lower than what we're actually created
a year ago before he was in office. I will say,
I mean, I think a lot of this and we
can get to this a little later. You know, is
stemming from some issues that have been going on in
the economy in terms of income and equality, wealth and equality.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
For some time.

Speaker 17 (25:18):
But you are absolutely right that Donald Trump is exacerbating
a lot of this with his reckless policies with tariffs
and how he's implementing them without any accompanying domestic strategy.
It's creating so much uncertainty in the economy. And there's
a lot more here. I mean the fact that manufacturing jobs, yes,
have not at all been created this straight the six
month straight decline. These are facts that we have not

(25:41):
seen in some time. Construction jobs are negative over for
this past year or since the beginning of this year,
and a lot of people now we're seeing are out
of work. So the black unemployment numbers are really troubling.
I mean, we've already talked about the fact that black
women are impacted most by some of these federal job cuts.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think it's important role, which maybe you've already noted.

Speaker 17 (26:04):
But the fact that now CNBC is having to report
on these figures, I think shows just how real the
risks risks are here and what it will likely mean
for the broader economy. And that a lot of people
are now more in part time jobs than we were
seeing before. These are all adding up to an economy
yeah that is very weak No one knows exactly when

(26:26):
a recession might come, what extent it might take or
look like, but there is there's not a lot of
positive information here.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Look at John Dier reporting a twenty six percent drop
in profits. You've got these whiny Arkansas farmers complaining about,
oh my god, we're losing our farms, soybean crops, how
we're being impacted. Well, guess what, you idiots, We were
impacted by soybean crops in two thousand and the first
Trump term. So I'm like, what are y'all talking about?

(26:57):
But guess what Arkansas? They voted for Trump. Tennessee people
are complaining about prices. They voted for Trump, and so
one of the things that I always said, I always
say it. Of course, John Vere is saying that the
problems they have increased tear costs reduced prices for corn
and soybeans. As a result, they laid out two hundred
workers of their plants at Iowa and Illinois this summer,

(27:17):
and they warned the sales of his large farm machinery,
the primary social revenue couldn't climbed as much as twenty
percent through twenty and twenty six. In North Carolina, farmers
are experiencing a double whammy. Prices for soybeans already falling
forty percent from their peak in twenty twenty two, and
China's retaliatory tarrifs on US soybeans remained in effect. We

(27:40):
saw this last time, so I'm sorry, Morgan.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thoughts and prayers for.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
These idiots who voted for him again after he destroyed farmers,
leading to a twenty five billion dollar bill out for
mostly white farmers the last time, the idiot was in
the Oval office.

Speaker 17 (28:00):
Yeah, and I think that's why you're hearing the messaging
from them that, oh, don't worry, the real data is
going to come soon in a year. Don't worry about
what's happening right now. Just hold your horses a little
bit and then you're going to see how great this
economy is going to be. That's kind of like, you know,
maybe I'm going to become a Queen of England. There's
nothing about my current life that suggests that that's likely

(28:21):
to happen. But that's the family continue to feed people
and it's not a fantasy. It's a nightmare. They have
set up a nightmare and it's it is going to
impact farmer. I mean, you't We've touched on this before,
but I think it's important to note again they're trying
to suggest that, oh, well, you know, of course there's
going to be difficulty if some of these industries we're
taking on the immigrants. It's like, well, no, immigrants have

(28:44):
been propping up the American economy, especially in industries like agriculture,
but it's across the board, and so's that's not a
good thing. They're trying to make it seem like they're
fulfilling this mission, but that's only going to add to
the labor costs that a lot of these farmers are
experien in addition to the impacts from tariffs.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So we're at the beginning of this journey. We are
not at the end.

Speaker 17 (29:05):
They are going to, it seems, continue to try to
dilute the American people into thinking that somehow this is
part of a master strategy. But when you have the
Secretary of Commerce that is on TV in reaction to
these numbers today suggesting that all is well and give
it some time, I mean, this is this is madness
and again really really scary. So I mean, I think

(29:26):
the other thing to keep in mind, as all of
this is happening, and the experience of real people in
the economy that know that they are they should be nervous,
that know that they have no guarantee that if we
do face another downturn, there is going to be an
adequate government response that isn't just trying to pay political
favors that will actually do something for all Americans. That

(29:46):
there is complete giveaway to some of the largest corporations
in America. You know, so that there was a dinner
last night with all of these tech executives congratulating in
the case of Google, for example, that their antitrust lawsuit
is likely took away, that it didn't result in them
having to really change their business model, that we're going
to collaborate with you all on AI. Who's that going
to benefit? How many jobs is AI creating? And how

(30:10):
many jobs are going to be creative? It's just Google
who's in charge of AI. So this is there's a
lot going on. It's hard to keep track of it all.
I appreciate rolling all you're doing to try to keep
people informed because you know, we are heading in a really,
really bad direction here, and we need to make sure
that folks understand are speaking out and more importantly, are
really coming together to figure out, Okay, when this all

(30:32):
completely falls apart, what do we need people to do?
What do we need our elective officials to do? And
really to look out for each other?

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I Morgan I have said for the longest that broke
white people are going to have to be harmed economically
for this country to wake up and guess what, we're
on our way now. We already see this impacts of
African Americans, it impacts the team, it impacts.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
All people of color.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But what these white folks are going to have to
feel feel the pain. It is going to have to
be direct, immense. So when you talk about listen right now,
we've never had this many homes on the market for sale,
and folks like I ain't buying because they have economic concertainty.
They don't know if they're going to have their jobs.
You got interest rates up, and so folks are like, man,

(31:24):
you got now those people who are trying to sell
those homes now have to sit on those homes and
they're not going to be economically harmed. The DOGE cuts,
the firing of the federal workers, the canceling the billions
in grants. What you saw was literally, if I have
to phrase it in help, this was an economic seizure

(31:45):
that took place that's now metastasizing into an economic heart attack.
And these people are like, oh my god, what do
we do? And guess what y'all voted for it? This
is exactly what you voted for. So when I hear
one of these white folks go, so we didn't vote
for this, Yes, you did, you simply didn't pay attention.

Speaker 17 (32:05):
Yeah, And so that's why I think it's it's going
to be very interesting to see how this plays out
there saying you know, in a year, it's all gonna
it's all gonna show how it's it's positive and you'll
see these the strong economic growth. I mean a year
from now takes us to a little bit before uh
November twenty twenty six, and there's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
A lot of elections then.

Speaker 17 (32:25):
So how this is all massaged over to the American
public that should that they should still support all of
these Republicans that have completely co signed on this agenda,
that have not put up any sort of resistance to
things like the Medicaid cuts that are going to be
another I mean, I gotta say, well, I was on
a conservative outlet this week where they do these debates

(32:46):
between you know, the liberal and the conservative host, and
this woman's laughing in my face when I'm saying, you know,
what's really what really threatened safety. It's like things like
take away people's health care, take away their economic security.
That's what leads to increase in crime, and that's what
you all are doing. And she's laughing at me. I
was like, this is this is I'm not just making
this up. This is research, this is data. These are facts.

(33:07):
They don't want to admit that, but it is coming
and it is going to be really bad. And you know,
I think the other thing, the other justification that they're
using to try to like kind of earn more time
or have the public stay with them, is that, oh,
these tax cuts, the tax cuts are coming. This is
what's going to make businesses invest and then really bring
back the manufacturing. We have a financialized economy in the

(33:31):
United States. The companies that are really driving economic growth,
many of them are public companies that are closely tied
to the stock market. When they get extra money, they
don't have to use that to build a new factory.
They can use that to pay dividends to their stockholders.
So you know what would make them more likely to

(33:53):
do something like invest in building a factory would be
the government creating subsidies and incentive for them to use
their money for that purpose rather than just painting out
to themselves and huge CEO packages. That is not happening
in this administration. So what is likely to happen with
these tax cuts for companies. They will keep that money
for themselves. They will make themselves richer. That is not

(34:16):
likely to improve the economic outlook for most of the
people living in America. And I agree with you, Roland,
I mean, I unfortunately, it does appear that until we
have broad based and including a lot of the white
voters that supported Donald Trump that are feeling that economic pain,
I don't know that we're going to see anything different.

(34:37):
I guess the other thing I would add, though, is
that I don't know if, even once experiencing that, the
connection is going to be made that it's this administration's fault.
And that's the political question that Democrats are going to
face head looking at twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight.
What's the counter message to what they will be saying
because they will do whatever they can, I think make
it seem like it's not their fault.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
And then what is our vision for the future?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Questions for the panel, Candice your first, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Morgan, I'm wondering where are the jobs?

Speaker 12 (35:07):
I think this is what people want to know if
they're not here where I am, If they're not there
with the three hundred nineteen thousand, you know black women
especially that go let go from their jobs between February
and July, where can people go?

Speaker 7 (35:18):
Is it a state?

Speaker 12 (35:19):
Is it a an arena, an industry that we're just
maybe not thinking of or looking at that there might
be something there. Well, the only industries that seem to
still be creating jobs given the real steep decline in
job growth is healthcare. But even in that stat from
the last month's data, it's showing that healthcare job openings

(35:42):
are declining as well. And so, you know, if people
were looking for some an industry that's a little bit
more safe from the impacts of tariffs, usually, you know,
health care and government would be two industries you would
look towards. But in this environment where state budgets are
going to be cut, where we know do has really
eliminated a lot of the possibility of getting hired in
the federal government. Healthcare remains.

Speaker 17 (36:05):
But I think we also need to be honest about
the fact that our healthcare industry has been financialized, like
I was talking about before, So when they are also
facing some uncertain economic headwinds, when there has been no
intervention from the government to force them to spend their
money in a certain way, what are a lot of
corporate healthcare systems going to do. Continue to pay their

(36:26):
execid is a lot of money, perhaps, and continue to
try to get as much as they can out of
insurance companies and such, but not necessarily anything that's going
to pass along to higher wages for their employees. For example,
the practitioners healthcare workers create more jobs, try to hire
more people, they might also be crunched in that way
that is leading to things like fewer job openings right now.

(36:47):
So again not at all a good jobs report here,
And this is something that I do think though, we
need to continue to make sure people are sharing their
stories of what they're experiencing on the ground in these industries.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
But yeah, we have health care that's not available.

Speaker 17 (37:01):
I think when we look at the black mail unemployment
rate rising that can also be driven by things like
manufacturing or manufacturing and also transportation logistics jobs that are
being contracted as well. Uh, these are not These are
not the safe industries that one might expect, especially given
some of the promises from the administration about what we
were supposed to be getting from their policy decisions.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Michael, all right, Morgan.

Speaker 18 (37:27):
So Morgan, I'm confused because I thought rounding up all
these illegal immigrants was going to open up the job market.
And when we look at the reporting from the Census
Bureau and Q Research, one point two million immigrants are
gone from the US workforce under Donald Trump. So why

(37:48):
is it the job market exploding? I thought I thought
that's why people were voting, because he was going round
up the illegals. Please explain it to me.

Speaker 17 (37:57):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, we have to almost
laugh kind of work through all of this, but it's
just it is really unbelievable, just the lives that are
being spewed right now and the impact that it's having
on real people and communities. And so yeah, like I
was saying before, I mean, the US economy at this point,
not just in agriculture and foods, are a lot of
different industries relies on the work of immigrants. We can

(38:20):
have a whole separate conversation about the legality of how
a lot of people have come into this country or not,
and whether or not they should be here given how
they got in here, and the policies to do something
about that. That's a conversation that could be had. You know,
who is really well positioned to have him do something
about it, Republicans who are in control of Congress and
the White House. If they wanted to pass the bill

(38:41):
tomorrow to do something about immigration and how that impacts
the labor market and making sure that Americans are getting
the jobs that they want, they could do that tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That's not what this is about.

Speaker 17 (38:51):
This is about political points that they want to score
to be able to maintain political power, and it is
having a very detrimental impact on the economy because the reality,
again is that we need a lot of immigrants to
be able to support the industries that are driving our economy.

Speaker 14 (39:09):
Yeah, especially bad Yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (39:13):
So let me let me first say it's hard for
me to have Kansas and Morgan in the same place.
It's too much brilliance in one spot. So y'all got
to break this up next time. But in any event, Morgan,
my question.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
For oh my god, the sucking up is amazing.

Speaker 13 (39:26):
I was like, I like, can I continue to think
this is a harbringer for even worse things to come?
And I asked because I know the Salesforce CEO said
something like, you know, I'm getting rid of four thousand
jobs because I need less heads with AI.

Speaker 14 (39:41):
This is obviously what's going to be kind of the future.

Speaker 13 (39:44):
And my question for you is how is that represented
in these numbers, because you're seeing a contraction overall, right,
in terms of what worked for a lot of these corporations.
And to that end, what ideas I know you've already
mentioned healthcare, but are there any other sectors that you
suggest people look at in terms of insulating themselves for
even further declinents with less you know people needed in

(40:06):
the workforce.

Speaker 17 (40:08):
Well the way, yeah, and thank you for your compliments
and your questions. So what I would say is, you know,
these of the data that we're seeing from this past
month is showing that people who are looking for jobs
are are looking for those jobs a lot longer. That's
one of the things that's showing up in the data,
and so that does connect to something like the Salesforce
CEO announcing, hey.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
We're on pause.

Speaker 17 (40:27):
We're not we're laying people off, which means we're not
we're not going to be hiring people more. He's saying
it's AI and maybe it is, but maybe it isn't right.
And there's a lot of other companies that are announcing
layoffs that are that are using the cover of the
economic uncertainty to be able to just kind of shed workers.
Because again, this connects to what is driving our economy

(40:49):
right now, and a lot of the companies that are
in the US that are responsible for our growth, they
are connected to the stock market, they are financialized. They
win when they are rewarding stockholders. They're not winning when
they are paying the average American to work at their company.
And so if they have a little bit of an
opening to be able to say, hey, this labor cost,
we can kind of reduce this a little bit, most

(41:09):
of them are going to take that because they don't
actually give that much of a shit about what's going
on at the community level for us as Americans. Right,
And so that is not to say that there aren't
companies that are legitimately reacting to the uncertainty and the
bad policies that are coming out of this administration and
making the very valid and rational decision of we can't
expand right now, we can't do more hiring. But I

(41:31):
think we need to distinguish between those types of companies
and be honest about how they might differ. How your
small business or an independent business that is not able
to withstand some of the impacts of these increased tariff prices,
and a very very large company like a salesforce, like
a Meta, like a Google, that they have a lot

(41:52):
of financial resources to a stand uncertainty, might use this
moment as an excuse to be able to get rid
of some of their labor costs. Uh and so yeah,
and now I'm trying to remember the second part of
your question because I went on too long.

Speaker 13 (42:05):
What was the second Well, it's just basically how how
you know listeners might look or for certain sectors that
will insulate them, you know, more so than others.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I mean, I wish I had I had better news there.

Speaker 17 (42:19):
And I think this is so Like I said, I mean,
healthcare is one that traditionally should be a little bit
more insulated and so, but unfortunately we are seeing that
even that sector is being impacted right now with fewer openings,
uh government, similar kind of thing. And so I think
that is a very dire observation. And what in reality

(42:42):
that's showing up in the data right now that there
might not be any sectors that are extremely safe. I'm
not trying to give people exact financial advice or certainly
not life coaching type of advice, but you know, this
might not be the kind of time to make a
big move financially or with a job, because it's not clear.
And I said, and that what's showing up in the
data is people who are looking for jobs might be

(43:03):
looking for them longer. A lot of young people aren't
able to get jobs at all, also a risk. And
so the unfortunate thing is that who is set up
to continue to take big risks. Well, it's just like
that dichotomy between small businesses and big corporations. People people
who are already pretty affluent who don't reply on wages
as much for getting covering their day to day expenses,

(43:26):
that have more wealth, like an Elon Musk that's now
being offered this trillion dollar pay package.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Well they're going to be able to.

Speaker 17 (43:32):
Continue to take those risks and consider different industries, and
maybe they want to start a business for the rest
of us. I don't know that this is the time
to necessarily do that, but you know, something for everybody
to consider for themselves and make a decision there. But
I don't think there's any way to look at this
data and suggest that America economically is on a great trajectory.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Well, and on that particular point there, Morgan, And when
we talk about we talk about if you tie this
economy to the number of home which they are available. Again,
people are not about to make a major purchase, have
to put down ten twenty twenty five percent if you
don't know what's gonna happen, If you're like yo, I
need to hold onto cash. This is the thing that

(44:18):
people don't understand about the American economy. We're a thirty
trillion dollar economy, but seventy percent of the American economy
is based.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
On spending, spending.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So if people don't have money, they're not making money,
they can't spend. Second, if people are fearful that they're
going to lose their jobs, the first they're gonna do
stop spending and start conserving. So when you look at
the consumer confidence that that's a hallmark right there of like, hey,

(44:50):
where do people stand? And people need to understand when
Americans stop spending money and start saving money and conserving money,
you can bet a recession is on its way because
they're scared to death that they're not going to be
able to have that cash three, six, nine months down
the road.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 17 (45:11):
And here's another point on the data and something for
people to keep in mind as they're seeing different news reports.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
And because we're.

Speaker 17 (45:17):
Seeing you consumer spending is still up, there's data showing
that consumers are not optimistic about the economy. But then
you see this data that's the spending is staying consistent,
and now reporting is showing well that spending is being
driven almost entirely by the highest earners and those that
have the most money. So when you look at it
and the aggregate, oh yeah, Americans are still spending money.

(45:40):
But when you dig a little deeper, it's like, no,
rich people are still spending a lot of money. The
average person is starting to pull back and rolling. Just
to add another layer to that. Yet in the best
case scenario, people are pulling back and are still able
to cover their necessities and basic needs. But what we're
also starting to creep up is debt, and that even

(46:03):
in the case of things like groceries, more consumers are
relying on things like you know, the buy now, pay
later platforms, like a firm like lending to buy something
that's just one discrete item, not lending to buy a house,
lending to buy some groceries or get grocery delivery. That
is a whole new ballgame for the American economy, having

(46:24):
that layer of type of debt that is now in
the mix of Yes, what has been a spending and
finance to spend economy for the US consumer over the
last at least twenty years, but going back even further,
as we've seen the government kind of back out of
really supporting American workers since the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And to make matters worse, I was gonna talk about
this a little bit later, but I'll go ahead and
bring it up. How stupid is Donald Trump in Ice?
You've got Hyundai. Hyundai's building a multi billion dollar factory
in Georgia, and these idiots are arresting the South Korean workers.

(47:08):
I don't think that's gonna go overwhelmed with the South Koreans.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And if this had.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
This stupidity happens, you're gonna have these foreign people, these
foreign companies who Donald Trump keeps claiming are gonna be
investing trillions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's at all a lie.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
They're gonna be like, we're not about to spend money
in this country.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
ICE arrested four hundred and seventy.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Five people at the Georgia Hyundai Electric Vehicle plant, including
South Koreans who are there working on the building of
their plant. That's another stupid thing to do, Morgan.

Speaker 17 (47:41):
Yeah, and when you've empowered I mean, where is government
spending going right now? You've empowered ICE to engage in
vigilante justice, as they defined it, define it that this
is the type of idiocy that we get.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, not logical.

Speaker 17 (47:54):
I mean I was just I was on the show
in Columbus last night and we're each going to our car.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I have a Ford F one fifty truck.

Speaker 17 (48:02):
He's going into his his Honda. He's like, oh, but
made in America, And I was like, yeah, but you
know it's a Ford company. So to your point for
holing these companies that, yeah, they are foreign companies, but
they are creating jobs in the United States. Honda huge
presence in Ohio, Hondi this factory. So we are in
a global economy, and we are very much connected to

(48:23):
a lot of companies that are based other places wanting
to invest in America in a US worker and as
we see in some cases workers from other places too.
But these are drivers of economy, especially at the regional level.
And so yeah, there's no logic what's going on. It's
all leading to a real economic problem for us. And
let's just hope that more people wake up to what's happening.

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All I have a four letters fa fo Morgan Harper
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Speaker 3 (48:54):
Thanks loving, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1 (52:25):
Fans got head up Capitol Hill with Conswoman Jasmine Crockett
went off on Republicans. You know, Donald Trump has been
doing all he can uh to shut down the release
of all the Epstein files. Now you got this stupid
fool hotspeaker Mike Johnson claiming that Donald Trump was an
FBI informant to take down Epstein. They just make shit
up every single day. But Coswiman Crockett, she wouldn't have

(52:46):
none of that.

Speaker 23 (52:47):
Roward, It's interesting that we're sitting here and we're talking
about the so called threats to the First Amendment, when
the biggest threat to free speech right now is the
guy that is sitting over in the oval now, mister Farajen.
I met over a month ago, and he has made

(53:09):
it a brand of being this free speech warrior. And
one of the things that I wanted to recap was
the fact that he literally tried to shut down my
ranking member as he was engaging in his own free speech.
It seems like it's more so free speech for me,
but not for thee a lot of times with certain people,

(53:33):
and it's sad that he had to run and have
lunch with Trump or to go raise some money for
his four member party. So, mister Price, you get to
be the lucky one to help me figure out what
exactly free speech advocates believe.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It's good to see you again.

Speaker 23 (53:50):
You tell me whether these government actions support free speech
or suppress it. Let's call it free speech or federal suppression,
finding or defending or defunding news outlets or companies because
they don't share a political a particular political message.

Speaker 24 (54:09):
I think I'm not entirely sure what context you're referring to.
I think I need a little bit more information.

Speaker 23 (54:14):
So, long story short, if they decide that they are
going to find or defund any news outlet simply because
it doesn't necessarily go far left or far right, do
you think that that is a violation of free speech?

Speaker 24 (54:31):
Well, I'm not entirely sure how it would connect with
let's say the area of expertise that I have. I
think you may be referring to the PBS controversy. It's
probably not something that I would be able.

Speaker 11 (54:44):
To really, not necessarily.

Speaker 23 (54:46):
But let me go to Professor K. Professor K, did
you understand my question finding or defunding news outlets or
companies because they don't share a particular political message.

Speaker 25 (54:57):
Yeah, thank you for the question. At the very core
of the First Amendment is a prohibition of viewpoint discrimination. Okay,
And what you describe sounds like viewpoint discrimination.

Speaker 23 (55:09):
So it definitely sounds like federal suppression. If you require
news outlets and companies to have content moderators to ensure
their coverage promotes a political ideology or leaning, would that
be federal suppression?

Speaker 25 (55:26):
Well, that does sound like an interference with a company's
content moderation.

Speaker 23 (55:30):
Decision banning materials because of their content.

Speaker 25 (55:36):
Materials.

Speaker 11 (55:37):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So like books, oh of course.

Speaker 25 (55:40):
Well, and we've seen this and the range of book
bands libraries across the country.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 23 (55:49):
What about threatening private companies with lawsuits or fines unless
they do the government's bidding.

Speaker 25 (55:56):
It sounds like pressure that would be undue.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yes, okay, So I agree with you.

Speaker 23 (56:01):
All of these actions are exactly what Trump has done
since he's taken office. Make no mistake, Trump is weaponizing
his idea of free speech to force folks and companies
to become his political puppets to promote his propaganda. Trump
and Republicans defunded NPR.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Because they argued it was bias.

Speaker 23 (56:18):
Trump has removed books discussing racial discrimination at US military academies,
including the amazing Maya Angelo's autobiography I Know Why the
Cage Bird Sings. He's tried to strip funding to schools
across the country if they don't remove materials that include
discussions of racial discrimination or that promote diversity. And in

(56:43):
order for the merger between Paramount and Skydance to happen,
the FCC chairman and Republican appointed commissioners required sky Dance
to establish a bias monitor and in its FCC order
noted reports quote concerning negative media coverage of.

Speaker 10 (57:02):
The Trump administration.

Speaker 23 (57:04):
This is to say nothing of Trump pushing television networks
to get rid of comedians and talk show hosts who
criticized his administration. Say, like mister Colbert, let's call this
what it is. It's Trump weaponizing the idea of free
speech to force people, institutions, and companies to be his mouthpieces.
This ain't free speech, it's propaganda. Meanwhile, my Republican colleagues

(57:27):
are out here having a meltdown over the European bill,
one that, by way, by the way, includes provisions to
fight child trafficking. You know, it's frustrating because we talk
about being fiscally responsible and we talk about free speech.
And right now as we're having these discussions, you know
who's trying to shut down members from voting in the
way that they want to vote. It's the President who

(57:49):
literally said he would look at anyone who decided that
they were going to vote to release the Epstein files
as hostile. That sounds like a threat as it relates
to all First Amendment protections, in addition to the fact
that it's literally contraveting our constitutional duty that we swar

(58:10):
an oath too, because we don't swear to an orange king. Instead,
we have sworn an oath to the Constitution, and we
were elected to represent the people that elected us. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 22 (58:20):
And all you.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Can is these people don't give a dim about free speech.
What they care about is that they have free speech,
and they shut everyone else down not only.

Speaker 12 (58:33):
They shut other people down, but they also make them pay.
It calls you to say what you want, as ABC
as CBS. But what we're going to see now with
these Epstein files is something else that they would have
never seen before, and that is, as we know, these
women have come together and people from all sides of
the political spectrum are now.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Saying, we can just give that list by ourselves.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
We can go on this floor, we can claim immunity
and use somebody else as a mouthpiece is volunteered, and
we are going to get that list by ourselves.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
He's got another thing coming. I don't think he saw
this coming.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
I don't think he saw the crossing of people who've
always been at the other end of the spectrum come
together to say this is ridiculous and you.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
Can't force us to pay you to shut our mouths.

Speaker 12 (59:21):
We are going to say what we want because we're
on the political floor, and that's going to be the difference.
I think in this one with these Epstein files. It's
really a shame too, because I think that people.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
They're just trained to.

Speaker 12 (59:33):
Listen to Trump and the more and more he says something,
at some point, it's like the tipping point and all
of a sudden, they just believe him for no reason.
It's partly that, it's partly the algorithm, it's partly just
people wanting to believe that the vote that they put
in is actually working out.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
When it's not.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
When it's not.

Speaker 12 (59:52):
We're going to see a lot from these Epstein files
and everything that we've seen so far as leading me
to believe that we're going to go down the path
and we have never gone to on the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
This is what happens when you elect somebody Michael who
has no morals, values, principles, or ethics, no integrity, no
honor or decency.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Absolutely.

Speaker 18 (01:00:15):
I also don't forget somebody to try to overthrow the
government in the side of the insurrection. Let's not forget
that also, and then gave a pardon to the insurrection
it's fifteen hundred of them approximately on his first day
back in office. Yeah, so this was predictable. And this
is a guy who was good friends but according to
Jeffrey Epstein, who's dead now he can't speak for himself,

(01:00:38):
but he was good friends with Jeffrey Epstein for ten years.

Speaker 26 (01:00:43):
Okay, And see the question that the question I have
is like Okay, So Jeffrey Epstein was sexually abusing all
these women for years, right, So at what point did
Donald Trump realize that Jeffrey Epstein was sexually abusing underage
girls and women before he cut off the friendship with me?

Speaker 18 (01:01:07):
See that's the question that I have.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
You were friends with him for about about fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Right, at what point did you realize, you know what,
it's something wrong with this guy?

Speaker 18 (01:01:15):
But this is when you deal with somebody with no morals,
who is an authoritarian, who is in mental decline. They
talked about Fining's mental decline. This guy's getting worse day
by day, okay, and he's getting desperate.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Also, this is not going away.

Speaker 18 (01:01:32):
Speaker Johnson ended the House session before the recess a
day early to avoid taking a vote. And then they
come back after vacation, and this is and then you
have the press conference. Okay, this is exploding, and you
have some their too last last kind of heard their
too Republicans. Short of Thomas Massey's and Rokanna's deal being

(01:01:56):
able to be put on the floor, getting that pushed through,
they need to on the eighteen vote. So this is
not going away.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
It's getting worse for Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (01:02:06):
Matt, I mean my thoughts are a little bit of
a combination of Candace and Michael's. I mean, something that
Candace indicated is what I see, and that's the Trump
administration takes the position of the more we say it,
the more we legitimize it. I think the problem with that,
to Candace's point, is that they underestimated how much people

(01:02:27):
would draw the line at his association with Epstein and
them not being truthful about what's in those Epstein files,
and you know, all of Bondi's back and forth and
DJ's back and forth about whether they'll release things, what
they won't release, all of that, long story short, I
don't think that even the people in their base are
okay with his association with that, and I think they're running,

(01:02:48):
scared and frankly to see how long they can keep
it concealed and see if they can distract us with
other things before that flag really gets planted. But I
think you got a problem when even crazy Marjorie Taylor
Green is saying that she's going to, you know, want
to know everything that's in those files, right right.

Speaker 14 (01:03:03):
That's they've been towing the MAGA line.

Speaker 13 (01:03:06):
So long that when you see a break like that,
I think that's a harbinger or something bad to come
for the administration. So I mean, that's what I'm saying.
But what I see with the media and what I
see with people in his base is the more they
sets legitimized. And the thing I don't understand what that is.
You've done a great job on this show over the
years of pointing out all the dishonesty, all the falsehoods,

(01:03:27):
all the lot, Well you see so much vacillation as
it relates to the administration and his relationship with Epstein
and what they're going to release with Epstein that at
a certain point, you know, you wonder the people who
are the same people who were, you know, calling for
the heads of all those people when they thought that
pizza place there in DC housed you know, a den
of pedophiles at the bottom of it, those crazy folks.

(01:03:50):
Those are the same people who are a part of MAGA.
And I don't know how long they can run before
they have to give that information up. And I suspect
that information is going to, to Michael's point, show that
he had a much cozier relationship with Epstein than he's
willing to let on, and I think that is going
to be uh, you know, irreparable, irreparably damaging to him
and his administration. But I don't know what the back

(01:04:12):
end of that is because you were watching him trample
over the Constitution on nearly a daily basis, and the
guardrails we thought would keep you know, some of that
that action from happening have not been effective. So I
don't know what that means at the end, but I
think they're running from having to give that information up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
But of course they are are, y'all quick break, we
come back.

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Believe it or not, we've seen it all before.

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Your people in the North. You're so sympathetic to black people,
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Sixty years ago, they called it the reverse Freedom riots.
Back then, Southern governors shipped black people north with the false.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Promise of jobs and a better life.

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Speaker 20 (01:06:42):
What's the up, y'all?

Speaker 22 (01:06:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
All right, folks, actress, author, entrepreneurs, social media start tap
of the brown.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Let's just say calls.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Some people's getting their feelings when she said this the
other day about entrepreneurs and jobs.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
Uh hello, dere.

Speaker 27 (01:07:14):
Real quick that this is not to discourage you, because
I want us to be clear about that first. Okay,
you kind of been in this place for a long time. Okay,
Now listen, you got good ideas, baby, You got good ideas.
Your execution is not as good. Okay, you're followed through

(01:07:42):
not as good. The ideas, though, are great. Entrepreneurship is
not for everybody, and that doesn't mean it's not for you.
But but right now, these last few months, a few years,
you know what I'm talking about, Maybe it ain't it
ain't been working for you, okay, And you're doing a
lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Speaker 11 (01:08:04):
Okay.

Speaker 27 (01:08:04):
You you done got yourself in some mess, and it's
time for you to get a job.

Speaker 14 (01:08:12):
You hear me. You You just gonna need to get
a job for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Okay.

Speaker 27 (01:08:17):
D It don't mean your ideas ain't good, Okay, don't
mean that maybe one day. You could be a good entrepreneur,
but you have proven to yourself and everybody else that
you owe money to. Okay, that it ain't working right now.

Speaker 25 (01:08:34):
Okay, it ain't.

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
It ain't work for a while, it actually has never
worked yet.

Speaker 27 (01:08:39):
Doesn't mean you won't ever work, but right now you
need to go to work.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
You gonna need to get.

Speaker 27 (01:08:45):
A job, okay, and then keep working towards it, but
at least you will have a job while you are
pursuing that thing. But right now you need to get
a job, baby, all right, that's it.

Speaker 28 (01:09:02):
I love you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:03):
They're going bout your business.

Speaker 11 (01:09:05):
Okay, happen to have a good night tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Have a good day.

Speaker 11 (01:09:07):
But even if you can't have a good one, don't
they go missing up. Nobody else is here.

Speaker 24 (01:09:12):
Don't be mad at me.

Speaker 27 (01:09:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So I'm sitting here perusing social media, and I'm looking
at people who were just in their feelings, upset, mad, angry,
saying that Tabatha was wrong for what she had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
That there was just I mean, how does.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
She squash someone else's dream?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
And I'm sitting here and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Reading all of this sort of stuff, and I'm like, really,
let me explain y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Some I come from a family of entrepreneurs. My grandmother
in the catering business.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
But do you know my grandmother was doing while she
was building her catering business.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
She was working at a florist.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, she was a florist, and so she was excellent
at floral arrangements.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
And then decided to open a catering business.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
And she was working at the floorists and starting her
catering business. And then when the catering business reached a
certain level, then she left the floors to run the
catering business. My mom at a cake business. I remember
my mom taking the classes, the icing classes, the decorative classes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
That was at nighttime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
She's working an insurance company in the daytime, and so
the cakes was a side business.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
But she had a job. I have said to people
for years, my sister, it's a great art business.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But what did I tell my sister, while you are
building your art business, that is your side hustle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
You need a main hustle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I said this to people for years that if you're
trying to start a business, very rarely do you simply
come out of the gates boom you're ready to go. No,
because you've got office, you've got equipment, you've got expenses,
and so what you have to do is methodically build.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
And so I've literally so this is the example.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I'm gonna show y'all exactly how I've explained this. This
is your main job, this is your side hustle, and
your job is to take your side hustle, and it
does this here, does this here, until your side hustle

(01:12:06):
is equaling your main hustle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
And now you have a decision to make, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
That decision is does my side hustle now become my
main hustle or do I keep my main hustle. And
I'm satisfied with my side hustle being right here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Because see understands something here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
And my brother he said to do this. I totally
get it. Hey, I got a business, but.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I need health insurance. So I'm run a business.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
But I'm gonna still do this job over here because
it give.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Me health insurance. So even though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I really really really want to do this, I'm not
ready to pay my own health insurance because I got
over there. It's the same concept, y'all. So I don't
understand why these people are acting the food what tappit.
They have to say, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Some basic common ass sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Ninety five percent of all black owned businesses do five
million dollars or lesson revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
When the study was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Done, this said there were two point nine million black
owned businesses in America. Two point eight million had one employee.
I said, those are not businesses. Those are so pro
prieties for me. A business if you've got two or
more employees, not one person, I'm not gonna call it
a business.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I'm just not so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I don't understand why people don't get this. And see,
I know everybody named Mama right now is all I'm
trying to keep my back. I want to be a boss.
But let me real clear, a bunch of y'all can't
be a boss because you know shit about being a boss. See,
let me be as blunt as possible. Having CEO on

(01:14:11):
a business card does not mean give a business. Have
a founder on your business card does not mean you
have a business.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I need y'all to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I get more people who roll up on me, who
want to come on the show and want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
In a marketplace segment. Oh man, I got a business.
I got a business. Do you really have a business
or do you have a side hustle.

Speaker 29 (01:14:43):
Let's see, I've discussed this before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
We celebrated seven years yesterday Rolling Mark Unfiltered. My TV
one show was canceled I think December seventh or December ninth.
I think it was December seventh. The final show was
two weeks later in January two thousand and eight. Those
twenty seventeen January twenty eighteen, we decided to do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
The first the State of our Union.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
On January thirtieth, twenty and eighteen. There were black mimbers
of Congress who said they would not go to ten
Trump's speech to Congress. I'm at the image of wars.
I'm like, we could do this special.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Now here was the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
We did it in that Metropolitan church in DC. And
then what happened was and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
We were doing together. So we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
What do we need to do, What do we need?
What equipment do we need? I'm sorry, my apologies. It
was at Shiloh Baptist Church on January thirtieth. My apology,
Shallow Baptist Church. I already owned the cameras, I owned
the switcher, I owned the lights. What we need to

(01:16:13):
do was we need the bar stood So I went,
we went and bought the bar stools. So I probably
ended up spending probably a couple of thousand dollars, but
basically everything we needed for the broadcast already owned. How well,
because when I was at TV one and at CNN,
I was buying equipment while I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah, hear what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
So the job that I had was allowing me to
purchase equipment for my business. Now, mind, Joab, I had
my business for fifteen years when I was at CNN.
CNN was paying my business. TV one was paying my business.
Tom John Morting Show was paying my business. I was
a contract worker, okay, but I didn't have my fully

(01:17:03):
functioning business. So it was buying equipment when I had
these jobs. So when I so in January twenty eighteen,
rolls around, I'm no longer seeing in a TV one
contract was only eight more months. Tom Jones was ending
the cyber between nineteen. But I was building the business

(01:17:27):
while having a job, and that was paying for all
of this stuff. So when it was time to go
full throat on the business, I just pivoted. And so
that's the lesson she's trying to explain to something, y'all.
So if you are mad and upset with what she said,

(01:17:48):
here's my question.

Speaker 29 (01:17:49):
Do you have a real business right now? And if
you don't, why are you acting like hit dog hollering? See,
I need a lot of people in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Our community to sometimes shut the hell up and realize
you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
No one is trying to kill your dream.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
What they're trying to do is give you some critical
information that will allow you to be able to methodically
and organically build your business. Take your idea from idea
to inception to fruition to success.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Now, some of y'all are so hard headed, gone right ahead.
So I'm gonna tell you right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Now, the road is littered with want to be entrepreneurs
who burn through all of their money, who burned through
all their relationships, who went out and got office space
and did all this sort of stuff, and they had
no business plan, and in many ways they had no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Business being in business.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Good to my pound for thoughts. It's amazing how people
are so reactionary, Michael, that they don't even know when
they're getting sound advice, but they're so caught up in
their ego in their feelings that they just want to
lash out as.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Supposed to go. Hmm, that's some good advice. Let me
think about.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
That absolutely order to call up in their dreams.

Speaker 18 (01:19:34):
So I saw the video today, I read the article
from the Grill dot com. For those that don't that
don't know, I'm not only a historian, but I taught
entrepreneurship for seven years. I help black people start businesses,
get funding for businesses. I value with it their business
plans as well. And the first thing I told my
students is don't quit your day job. Don't quit your

(01:19:56):
day job. Build your business while you are still working,
while you have a steady paycheck, while you have health
care and dental and vision all that. Because you're gonna
have to constantly reinvest in your new business, you're not
most likely you're not going to be able to pay
yourself a salary the first year or second year, et cetera.

(01:20:18):
And when it comes to African American owned businesses, currently
approximately eight out of ten African American owned businesses go
out of business in the first eighteen to twenty four months,
which means most likely you're going to lose your investment,
et cetera. Okay, So I'm all for people being entrepreneurs who.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
Want to be entrepreneurs. Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:20:40):
Secondly, I've been an entrepreneur for a long time. This
is not glamorous. This is some tough shit. This ain't
for everybody, okay, but a lot of people have a
lot of people get a false impression of being an
entrepreneur from economic emparment gurus who make money selling entrepreneurship
classes in entrepreneurship. But that's a whole nother conversation. Some

(01:21:02):
of it is good. That's their hustle, and they're trying
to keep hustling so that they don't have they don't
have to get a job in a cubicle next to you.
So a lot of them are selling dreams. But get
a business plan. This is sound advice right here. And
you're going to need health insurance. Okay, I'm in this
situation now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I had.

Speaker 18 (01:21:22):
I had to go get a job a few times.
I got a full time job now and I like
it because I got health insurance for the first time
in a few years. My blood pressure is healthy because
it was at one ninety three. Okay, I had high
blood pressure. I've lost thirty five pounds the right way.
I'm cool and I still have my business bringing in money.

(01:21:43):
So this has sound advice, don't take it personally, and
she told people, I'm not trying to discourage you. Okay, right, look,
some of y'all have to get a job something, and
that's absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
So Candace again, I think right now, you know every
people love the concept of being the boss. They love
the idea of being an entrepreneur. I don't really want
to deal with the realities of being an entrepreneur. And

(01:22:14):
this is one of those lessons that you have to
deal with because you still got to have your house
note paid, or your mortgage paid, or your apartment paid.
You got a car note, and you got food and
you got other expenses. I mean, look, listen and again
and guess what. You may operate that way for six eight,
ten years before you're ready to go to the next level.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
That's fine, but.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
You kind of got but you gotta be patient and understanding.
You have to build to that point. That's what it's
called building.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:22:49):
And you know, I.

Speaker 12 (01:22:52):
Like sixteen seventeen years if you are looking online and
like Michael said, you are going into these free online
sessions where they get on and then as he said,
really that person on the other side is making money
off of you because you're buying their business plan. You
have to stay out of that lane because Instagram will
think make you think that you can do a million things.

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
And it's all not true. It's just in your algorithm.

Speaker 12 (01:23:16):
It just keeps on feeding you, feeding you, feeding you
wrong information. Let's go back to Tabitha's backstory. This is
why she's a good person to listen to. This information
from what was it twenty seventeen, she was eating a
vegan sandwich from Whole Food that went viral fifty thousand
hits in one day, one million in a week, and
then because of her enthusiasm and what she did, she

(01:23:38):
got on TikTok and she built, and she built and
she built.

Speaker 7 (01:23:41):
Twenty seventeen was what eight years ago.

Speaker 12 (01:23:44):
That didn't just happen overnight, So she knows exactly what
she's talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
And she had other dreams.

Speaker 12 (01:23:49):
She was driving an uber at that time, eating that
sandwich in a car.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
That was her side hustle.

Speaker 12 (01:23:56):
She wanted to also be an actor and do other
things that she was able to do now.

Speaker 7 (01:24:01):
But she builds all of that and had all of
these things going. There's no person in this world.

Speaker 12 (01:24:07):
Even if you are a multi millionaire, you should not
just have one income anyway. It doesn't make any sense
because your job that you are so loyal to is
not going to be loyal to you. When they're ready
to let you go, they will let you go quicker
than you could kick your favorite dog, as the saying goes.

Speaker 7 (01:24:24):
So you always have to have a side hustle.

Speaker 12 (01:24:26):
Multimillionaires who are out there have a side hustle. Fyancely
doesn't just sing and dance. She got perfumed. She had
a clothing line. She's got, you know, different things. It's
never just one thing anyway. You should never depend on
one thing as your income. And if you're sending home
and you have zero in your account, but you are

(01:24:47):
hoping and building on just a dream and your hope,
that hope is not going to pay your bills. You
talked about pivoting before. You can't pivot in the dark
because your lights are on. Because you can't pay the
electric bill. You're gonna triple yourself if you don't have
any money. You've exhausted all of your resources, all of
your friends, all of your network, which is what a
lot of people do. Then you do have to get

(01:25:10):
a job. And what's the matter with having a job.
What's the matter with having some insurance. Now some people
might say, yeah, but I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't
do an uber, I wouldn't work on the side at Macy's.

Speaker 7 (01:25:20):
I could never work in Walmart.

Speaker 12 (01:25:22):
Well that's on you, because sometimes those are the jobs
that you act to work in order to build your dream.
We have so much, you know, privilege and rights that
we kind of banter about online and we're just kind
of not seeing the or was it the forest for
the trees, the trees for the forest?

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
However it goes, we are not seeing. We are not
seeing the light.

Speaker 12 (01:25:44):
And the light is that if you don't have money,
and if your job is.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
Not if your entrepreneurial spirit.

Speaker 12 (01:25:50):
Has kind of exasperated everybody around you, soon you're gonna
start losing people.

Speaker 7 (01:25:56):
Lost your money, now you're losing people.

Speaker 10 (01:25:58):
I see it.

Speaker 12 (01:25:58):
Happen all the time. It's okay to have a job.
It is okay to have a job. Not everyone's going
to be an Instagram start and that's okay. Your time
will until then you need money in your.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Pocket, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I love these folks who believe they want to have
their own law practice. And you go, you got any clients,
because you ain't got no clients.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
You just got a shingle.

Speaker 18 (01:26:28):
Oh have you been to law school?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Well you no, no, no, no, first time, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Obviously, if somebody wants somebody wants to have their own practice,
they've been in law school. My point is, you can
go to law school, you can actually pass the bar.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
But again, if you're gonna start.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
A law firm, you kind of got to have clients.
You need revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Matt.

Speaker 14 (01:26:49):
Well, I mean, you gotta start somewhere.

Speaker 13 (01:26:51):
I was gonna say, you always throw me off when
I expect you to be loud and wrong as usual,
and you're not.

Speaker 14 (01:26:55):
You're one hundred percent right on this segment.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
I think, first of all, I'm first of all, I
I am never allowed and wrong. So maybe your audio
is bad, but going right here with your lakama.

Speaker 13 (01:27:09):
Go ahead and rewrite history. But in any event, here's
my position on it. I think you're a hundred percent right.
I think Tabatha Brown is one hundred percent right. But
I think this speaks to a larger cultural issue, and
for once, actually, I'll disagree pretty vehemently with Candice.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
I think we live in.

Speaker 13 (01:27:22):
A society where we should be able to subsist on
one job. I don't think you should have to have
a side hustle. We should live in a society where
there are enough government programs and other things that we
have that allow people to go to one job, work
a good job, and provide for their family on that.
And they don't get me wrong, retail other jobs may
not provide you enough to do that substantially. But a

(01:27:45):
cultural problem in the idea that everyone needs to have
a side hustle. You shouldn't have to have a side hustle.
And I think that's a relatively new economic phenomenon. That is,
many people need to have side hustles to survive, as do.
But aside from that, I think the larger cultural issue
is that we have an issue with not being in control.

(01:28:06):
Right Like what we see lionized and what you see
glamorized that you've already spoken to I think very well,
is this idea of being the boss. But there is
no lack of dignity in not being the boss. You know,
there's no lack of dignity in working for an organization.
I'm a seasoned lawyer, I'm in high demand where I am.

Speaker 14 (01:28:22):
I work for a firm.

Speaker 13 (01:28:24):
I'm not the person who owns this firm. I could
go out and start a firm, but I don't feel
like i'm accessible because I work for an attorney firm
right now, as opposed to working for myself. I can
do that if I want to do that at some point,
but I don't feel like I'm less important or less
successful because I work for a firm where I became
a named partner.

Speaker 14 (01:28:43):
But when I started out, I wasn't a named partner. Here.

Speaker 13 (01:28:45):
My point with it is that's a cultural thing that
I feel like is a relatively new phenomenon, especially where.

Speaker 14 (01:28:51):
Everybody feels like they have to be the boss to
be valuable.

Speaker 13 (01:28:54):
And I think that's the larger problem here, and I
think that's why people took such umbrage to this, because
what you see pumped out every day on social media
is you're behind the curve. If you don't have your
own LLC, you're behind the game. If you know all
the tax code and all that stuff, and all that
stuff is bs man. I mean, there's no lack of
dignity in working a job.

Speaker 14 (01:29:14):
It's good if you can have a side hustle.

Speaker 13 (01:29:15):
It's good, if you have the bandwidth, it's good, if
you have specialized skills, it's good if you have the
vision to capitalize on those things. But there is no
shame in being a plumber. There's no shame in working
for the local school district. There's no shame in working
a good, honest job and putting food on the table.
And you know, in this situation, I've got three boys
at home. If I were out seeking some entrepreneurial dream

(01:29:37):
and I was not putting food on the table, by
all means, excoriate me and tell me to go get
a job. But if I'm able to, you know, provide
for them as the way I need to and I
have a.

Speaker 14 (01:29:47):
Side hustle, then cool. But if I don't, that's also cool.

Speaker 13 (01:29:50):
And I think a lot of the thing is right now,
we're seeing this conversation where it's like everybody's got to
be this boss, and that's the larger issue, and I
think that's why people feel a little attacks. But I
think her her advice and her opinion is spot on.
I think you should work, and I don't think there's
any shame in doing both things at the same time.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
I'm mad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I got to jump in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
What are you going to tell Kenna's go ahead, getting
his ass, getting his ass?

Speaker 12 (01:30:17):
What do you want to tell nineteen thousand black women
that lost their job between February and July? What about
those who had a side hustle? You think they're better
off or worse off? They're better off.

Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
You can't depend on a job in this economy in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 10 (01:30:31):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:30:32):
Even back in the day, my mom was a teacher,
she also taught piano. My dad was in education, and
then he also or.

Speaker 12 (01:30:39):
Properties, the properties which you know, they were able to
relay over to the legacy and all of their daughters.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
You got it black in America. I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:30:48):
Even just the whole idea of staying in one job.
For a creative person who's gonna explode.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
Sitting on that nine to five. You better have a
side job somewhere, or side hustle somewhere. You mentioned being
a plumber. What if somebody has an accident, then what happens?

Speaker 12 (01:31:03):
You can't you know, do anything if you've lost your
leg or lost your right right arm. You talked about
being on the school board or a teacher. What if
the school closes, What if the charter school closes, What
if you.

Speaker 7 (01:31:13):
Lose your job?

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
The side hustle was good, I'm saying that you don't
want to be caught out there without anything on the side.

Speaker 7 (01:31:20):
Plus, even if you are a multi millionaire. Now, a
multimillionaire doesn't just have one job.

Speaker 12 (01:31:25):
They invest, they buy properties, they do other things.

Speaker 7 (01:31:29):
It doesn't matter what level. I think.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
I just think you're missing the message on it that
when I say side hustle or another job, I don't
mean that in a majority of way at all. I
mean that, no matter who you are, billionaires don't just
have one job. The thing of all the billionaires, you know,
they don't do just one thing.

Speaker 10 (01:31:48):
We shouldn't either.

Speaker 13 (01:31:49):
Sure, Sure, here's the thing, good sister, I think you
actually missed how I framed it. So I think it's
a matter of I think you should be able to
subsist on one job. Now, if there's a differ in
question as to whether it's prudent to have.

Speaker 14 (01:32:02):
Also, than by all means we can have that conversation.

Speaker 13 (01:32:05):
But but but you know, contingencies, things that can happen.
I mean I don't disagree with you. If I lost
my job today, I wasn't able to practice law and
have to pivot, that would be an enormous change to
my life. But should I be able to go to
one job in this country with the riches this country has,
and be able to provide for my family? Absolutely, I

(01:32:25):
don't think you should have to have a side hustle,
irrespective of whether a lot of people do. I don't
think that there's a problem with necessarily having a side job,
and I surely didn't think you were characterizing it in
a pejorative way. I think culturally we have an issue
if most of the economy cannot subsist on one job
where they put enough food on the table to buy

(01:32:47):
a home, keep food over there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Okay, I stop, stop, all right, all right, okay, okay,
I mean okay, all right, First listen, listen, listen, stop,
stop stop. Okay, that's a separate conversation. Okay, So, first
of all, both y'all correct. All that you're simply saying
is that we're not saying everybody's to have a side hustle.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
The whole points is here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
The conversation here is if you're choosing to be an entrepreneur,
you have to build your business properly, and you can't
walk away from a job when you don't have enough
revenue coming in to sustain your lifestyle. So all she
was saying, and all I am saying, is if you
have an idea you want to have a job, you

(01:33:28):
begin and methodically.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Build your business.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Keep your job, have your health care and your dental
in those things.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
And as I said, this is it, this is it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Then all of a sudden, when it gets here, now
you're at decision time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
And as simple as that, before I get to break.

Speaker 28 (01:33:47):
Matt, what happened on Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Matt? What can you read that and want me? Mad?

Speaker 14 (01:34:02):
Now, go ahead and take that down. No, we're not
even doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:06):
We're not even doing it.

Speaker 22 (01:34:08):
He's getting you, Matt, what because I brought this for
you tonight, Because Matt, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Matt, I recall you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
It was a whole lot of trash you were talking,
and I told you y'all gonna lose to a house state,
and y'all did. But Matt, don't you also a professional
football team.

Speaker 14 (01:34:29):
Don't do that? Man, Come on now, come on now, Matt,
on now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Matt not only did you take an L from Candas tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
You now have.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Taken two l's in the past six days.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
So that no, no, no, put the graphic back up. No no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
That p let that fly Eagles Fly, that also goes
for Henry in the control room, all big time cowboys fan.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
That's right, give me shut of control room. That goes
for the Sean, our driver, that goes for Antoine, our videographer.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
All three of them are super hyped cowboy fans.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
But they used to taking the mails. They used to it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
So Matt, I told you, I'm gonna be king petty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
And see I wasn't even you know what. I wasn't
even gonna do that. Matt, I literally that what. I
literally sit there in the last three minutes. But it
wasn't until you made that little trifle and ass comment
about me being loud and wrong. I said, literally, I
had no I literally had no plan. If you look

(01:35:43):
at it, if you look at the if you look
at the show check, I literally I literally sent.

Speaker 28 (01:35:50):
It at seven forty four, like sixty seconds after you
made your comment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
And so I went, oh, since you now got something
to say, let me go ahead and be petty well,
sit on my couch.

Speaker 14 (01:36:09):
When you sent me a video. You see them the.

Speaker 13 (01:36:12):
Golf course saying ooh, how did that turn out that
on Saturday? I couldn't even want to hear it, So
go ahead call me out now. But it's gonna be
November twenty eighth. We're getting that double against the Aggies,
and you won't have anything to say when I'm on
us next week.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Like I said, I'll be petty says sometimes don't touch
that stove. If Mama and Dada told you don't touch
that hot stove, but see your last want to go
ahead and touch that stove? And yeah I had something
for you. Let me go to a great smoke. I'll

(01:36:51):
be right back while Matt has to had now go
get some ice from the kicking his hast. Uh that
Candice gave them the Eagles cable and the Buckeyes can't
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
I'll be back in a moment.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Next on the black table with me Greg Carr.

Speaker 19 (01:37:13):
Immigrants lured off Texas streets and shipped to places like
Martha's Vinue and Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
Believe it or not, we've seen it all before.

Speaker 20 (01:37:23):
Your people in the North you're so sympathetic to black people,
you take them.

Speaker 19 (01:37:27):
Sixty years ago, they called it the Reverse Freedom Rans.
Back then, Southern governors shipped black people north with the.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
False promise of jobs and a better life.

Speaker 19 (01:37:39):
to life. So what's next? That's next on the Black
Table A conversation with doctor Gerald Horn about this issue
of the Reverse Freedom Rans right here on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 24 (01:37:56):
This week on the Other Side of Change.

Speaker 21 (01:37:58):
You see it has been ravaged and taken over by tanks, soldiers,
police officers over the last two weeks and it's only
starting there. Trumps announts that he also has plans to
bring this to Chicago, Baltimore, and New York City.

Speaker 20 (01:38:12):
So we're gonna dig into it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:14):
This is on the Other Side of Change, only on
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 11 (01:38:24):
Hi everybody, I'm Kim kolf.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Hey, I'm Dottie Simpson.

Speaker 26 (01:38:26):
You know Shaman dian Cole from Blackness and.

Speaker 11 (01:38:29):
You watch Roland Mine un filthy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Who's the following, folks?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
We lost one of our history makers. Got the news
last night that retired military officers Joseph McNeil, Major General
Joseph McNeil, who was one of the four North Carolina
A and T students known as the Greensboro Ford who
integrated lunch counts, which caused it to spread across the South,

(01:39:14):
passed with the age of eighty three. On February one,
nineteen sixty, the four sat down at desegregated Wolfwards Lunch
County in Greensboro, North Carolina. Quiet yet powerful act of
defiance against racial segregation led.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
To a massive, a massive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Fire stream across the South, and it began to pop
up left and right. Pull the audio up, please. This
is when I was on the campus of AT and T.
This is the monument to them on the campus.

Speaker 28 (01:39:47):
Our sacrifive.

Speaker 21 (01:39:54):
You prefer spirit, I will open upside.

Speaker 11 (01:40:07):
You provide.

Speaker 10 (01:40:14):
OVID to satisfy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
He served in the US Air Force and every year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
I actually had the opportunity in twenty twenty to speak
at the breakfast that's where I shot that video. That's
faction that sits outside of the hall there. It is
on the campus of North Carolina A and T. And
they were four freshmen. There were four freshmen canvas. They
didn't seek anybody's opinion, they didn't ask around. They just

(01:40:48):
were in the dorm room and decided, you know what,
we're gonna do this, and then went down there, quiet, unassuming,
and that action sparked similar city ins all across the South.

Speaker 12 (01:41:01):
Yeah, you know, it really is a peaceful embodiment of
what we know young.

Speaker 7 (01:41:07):
People can really do.

Speaker 12 (01:41:10):
We do see this a lot today, but especially back
then when the stakes were even higher and so much
more is at risk in terms of them sitting there.

Speaker 7 (01:41:19):
I mean, it is wonderful that he lived that long.

Speaker 12 (01:41:22):
I think there is one one person that is left
out of the foreign that is living, and I think
it's just a great example of how young people really
need to live their lives. And it serves as a
reminder of what you can do when you're just one person,
two people, three people, four people who really began a
whole movement that we're talking about decades later.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
I remind people when about give speeches Michael, and when
I'm talking about how people can be changed leaders, I
often will ask are there any college freshmen in the room,
And I would ask for four to stand up, and
I will often remind them that that's all it takes.
All it takes is for four folk just to simple

(01:42:11):
or even even less than that we have the courage
to actually do something. The Greensboro Ford David Richmond, Franklin McCain, e,
Zell Blair Junior, and Joseph McNeil. And when I do that,
people sort of they sort of look and like, man,
is he being serious?

Speaker 28 (01:42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Again, they didn't call up, they didn't say let's call
the student ornizations on campus.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
No, No, these are forecasts. Was in the dorm room who.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Say, you know what, let's do this, and they went
and did it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
Absolutely.

Speaker 18 (01:42:41):
And at this point when this takes place, because they
start of February first, nineteen sixty, SNICK doesn't exist at
that time. SNICK is going to be formed after this
round April May nineteen sixty and.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
These citians start by college students.

Speaker 18 (01:43:01):
They're going to spread to about fifty cities in nine
different states. Okay, and we're going to see that this
is going to become part of the inspiration also for
the famous city in Nashville, Tennessee about April and nineteen
sixty with Diane Nash and John Lewis as well. So
this is a real important piece of history to see

(01:43:25):
how they were part of the civil rights movement that
added another layer and brought a different vibe momentum to
it where college students.

Speaker 20 (01:43:35):
Could get involved.

Speaker 18 (01:43:36):
You know, when I was younger, you know, we would talk. Basically,
doctor King was the leader of the modern day civil
rights movement, but when you really study it, there wasn't
one leader, and people got involved different ways. And this
was one of the ways that people got involved in
the movement, and it's going to lead one of the
things that leads to the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights

(01:43:57):
Act being signed.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
To that point, again, when a one small action can
lead to anything, Matt as Michael was talking about what
this led to.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Yeah, this is February first, nineteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
SNICK meets at Shaw University April nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
But what happened in those.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Three months there were fifty eight sit in centers in
twelve states, and those were the students that made up
the meeting of SNICK. And so people were inspired by
the action of just four college freshmen. And there's somebody
who's watching right now. They've got kids who in college
and a lot of folks say hey, and I've had

(01:44:39):
this conversation, say hey, listen, I'm just a freshman. I'm
I'm just trying to get focused. I'm just trying to
get focused on graduating. But these four said this thing
was so important they led it, and so you know,
we are eternally grateful for their work, for Major General
McNeil and those other three gentlemen who did what they did.

Speaker 13 (01:45:00):
And not only did they inspire others, but my understanding
is that Woolworths was desegregated six months later. So that
also shows that no matter what it is you're running after,
you may have to.

Speaker 14 (01:45:11):
Do it for longer than you expect get the upcome
that you want.

Speaker 13 (01:45:15):
But you know, when you're eighteen, you're a college freshman,
you take such a bold action with three other people
standing behind you, and that you know, starts that snowball.
I mean, it takes a lot to commit to a
course of action at any age, let alone eighteen and
a college freshman, and for them to not only do
it and for that to cascade into all the others

(01:45:35):
around the country and snick, you know, down the road
there at Shaw is an extraordinary thing. So if you
are young, you have the power, even if you don't
know that, you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Do absolutely And so e Zel Blair Junior, the last
surviving member of the Greensboro for he will turn eighty
four on October eighteenth, And so candozs to the McNeil
family and to all of the North Carolina A and
t Aggie family across the world.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
All right, folks, that is it. We had a couple
of pieces of our best of the last seven years.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
We'll use those next week Monday, I'm gonna be broadcasting
live from Montgomery, Alabama. I'm heading to there for a
couple of meetings at the Institute down there, and so
looking forward to that, and so we'll have that stuff
for you. Let me thank Candice will been on today's show.
Let me thank Michael's been on today's show. And go
ahead and put those graphics up for Matt. Go ahead

(01:46:31):
and put up, please, that Ohio state score beating. So yeah,
knocking off his lil longhorns, his short horns no longer
number one in the country. And I'm thankful that over
the next ten days, Matt, Henry, Deshaun, and Antoine all

(01:46:52):
have to endure the pain of another Cowboys loss. It's
always great to see orange tears as well as blue tears.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
What a glorious week it's been, all right, folks, that's it.
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Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
I said petty Lujah as they say.

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Yes, yes, yes, I shall continue to be petty.

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Thank State Senator Tanya Ferguson and all the folks who
would hear comes from.

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And Jasmine Crockett spoke before I did, so.

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It was great to see her and the others there
as well. Folks that said I'll see you tomorrow from Montgomery, Alabama.
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