Texas Redistricting Battle Rages; Gov. Newsom's 'Election Rigging' Measure; Trump Pushes PragerU

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Today's Thursday, August fourteenth, twenty twenty five, coming up on
Roland markin unfiltery streaming live on the Black Start Network.
Or Texas House Democrats ready to give up, They'll walk out.
We'll talk to several Democratic lawmakers in Texas to find
out what they are prepared to do. But that seems
to be the case. California and Gavin Newsom, he is

(00:39):
ready to fight Republicans and he launches a major initiative
to change the maps in California.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
More stupidity from Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know what that day is called? Any day ending
in d A Y plus. Remember I warned y'all about
the right wing company Prager You Trump folks, they want
to replace PBS with this right wing, extremist, racist organization.
Well until we show you this video that they have

(01:10):
that talks about Columbus discussing slaves. Oh, it's a lot
to unpack. It's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling
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Speaker 3 (01:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:40):
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Speaker 5 (01:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, Rowling, he's pronk, he stressed, she's real, good question.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
No, he's.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
The fight of the racist jerry mandard maps in Texas continues.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Republicans say they will end
the first special session tomorrow and immediately gabble in a
second special session. Now, keep in mind, they should be
focusing on flood relief in Texas because of what happened
in Kirk Counties and one hundred and thirty people die. No,

(02:35):
that's not what's important. What's important is kissing Donald Trump's
ass and giving him five Republican districts.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
They've already withdrawn the maps.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Now they have not voted on the maps in the
House because fifty one Texas Democrats have walked out, keeping
them from having a quorum. Now, the other day, what
took place in Texas Senate, This took place nine Democrats
walked out in Texas. But to remain allowing the Republicans
to actually vote and approve those maps, Now, what makes

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no sense to me is why in the hell did
those Democrats stay? Well two of them explain why they stayed,
and still to this day, I don't understand why they
did because it makes absolutely no sense. I'm gonna read
their comments in just the moment. Let me welcome a
couple of folks to US Texas Legs. Lady Black, Caucus

(03:30):
Chair Ron Reynolds joins us. Also State Representative Charlene Johnson.
Glad to have both of you on the show. And
also we have a state Representative, Jealanda Jones. Let me
first must first talk with Caucus Chair Ron Winnols. Cherry
Meredith Okay, Cherry Meritith Okay. So y'all have been gone,

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many of folks in Illinois, some remained in Texas. They
have not had a quorn and I have been getting
calls all day from folks back home in Texas. A
number of state lawmakers been talking to staff in A's
talking to civil rights leaders, religious leaders, and what I've
been told is that Democrats are going to give in.
They are going to return to the Capitol and allow

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for the Republicans to have a quorum and allow.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
For these seats, for these districts to be changed.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
What is going on.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Well, Fradford, it's always good to be with you, and
you know I'm going to keep it one hundred with you,
and I'm happy to be joined by two of my
amazing colleagues, represented Charlie Warris Johnson and Representative Jelana Jones,
the Texas legislator at Blackhawkas has been ten toes down
leading this fight. When we broke hom our goal was
to stop the first call special session, raise the alarm

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bells to make sure that other states like California, New York,
Illinoi's that if Texas passed a racial jerry mander that
we would make sure that other states did the.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
Same damn thing. We want to stop the map ultimate ole.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
Though, we knew that with Governor Abbot having the ability
to call special session of the special session of the
special Session, that we could only delay it so that
our lawyers could be in a great position to then
file injunctions in the court. And we've been working with
our lawyers. I've been on the phone with Attorney Gary Bletsoe.

(05:22):
I know Representative Jelana Jones has been communicating. We have
gotten I've been on the phone with working with Derrick Johnson,
the State, the National NACP President. We have LDF, the
Lawyer's Defense Fund, all ready to go to action if
and win the maps have passed. We knew realistically that

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we could never kill it indefinitely because Governor might have
been moved because Governor Abbot could move the primary date
that scheduled for March. He could go and have that
primary date move back to May, June, July, and then
therefore they would have more time to pass the map.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
No, no, no, no, no no, Because here's the problem
with that. The Supreme Court has consistently said in numerous
cases where maps are locked in, to give the people
an opportunity. In fact, when Alabama and Louisiana when they
voted on their racist maps, they voted on it, and

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they did that early in the year. In Louisiana, for instance,
they approved their maps. This was back in two thousand
and twenty two or twenty twenty three. They approved their
maps early in the year. It was like February. Their
primaries were in August, the general election was in November.
The Supreme Court was a legal challenge. Supreme Court said

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those they were locked in. That has been very consistent.
So what I don't understand is if you have no Granted,
Supreme Court can do whatever they want. Yes, but the
Supreme Court has been consistent in terms of locking maps
in to give the vote voters an opportunity to vote properly.
And so it's that. So if Abbott wanted to try

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to push it put to may or June, well, then
that meant that the primaries would be then still got
a general and based upon what the.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Supreme Court has done before, that would not be enough time.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
So what I don't want that that's not my that's.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
The advice of the attorneys that are the supposedly be
the experts on redistrict the constitutional attorneys. That is, based
on their advice, they want to be able to have
the maps in time to be able to file the
injunction to get adjunctive relief in the court.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No but that. But but here's the problem. This is
what again I need to understand here. I'm going based
upon what we saw in Alabama. We saw in Louisiana
literally in the last five years, we saw this with
the commissioners racing Galveston County where when the maps were changed,
the Supreme Court says, if there is enough time for

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there to be a lawsuit, which for says them to
redraw the maps, then fine, but if there's not, then
they lock it in place. What I don't understand is
if you wait until let's say Decembly, okay, right now,
So that means let's say, y'all go back, fine on Monday,
within thirty seconds, they're going to prove the new maps done.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So now Thursday.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean you're talking about August eighteenth. That now means September, October, November, December.
It's more than enough time. So that means they're going
to lock in these maps. That means we're going to
lose two black congressional districts. That means that every candidate
has filed to run for Congressional eighteen now has to
figure out do they run against Congressman Al Green in

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the ninth district. And so y'all are actually helping them
with their calls because they can say, hey, it's enough time.
They can now file, the voters know the district lines
have changed the primary is it until March?

Speaker 6 (08:55):
We're good, Well, Roland, I think that that what you're
saying is plausible, But again we're relying on the experts
of the attorneys, and on top of that, one of
the main goals was to get California to get off
of their ass and other Blue states to get off
their assy represent the rentals.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm sorry, this is this is the issue for me.
This is the issue that I have. I am fifty
six years old. My parents are from Texas. My grandparents
paternal migrated from there, my paternal grandparents. My ancestry dates
back to the eighteen hundreds in Texas. I have nine nieces,
four nephews. My nephew just had a child, my niece

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has a child doing November. All of them live in Texas.
And the reality is Texas Democrats, Texas member of the
legislature are elected.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
To protect Texas.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
California can do what they want to do, Illinois can
do what they want to do, Virginia, Maryland, but Texas
is elected to represent Texas interests. Now, if Gavin Newsom
does what he does, that's great, But the reality is,
how do you not fight? Y'all were out two weeks.
The Montgomery bus boycott was three hundred and eighty two days.

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So you're saying that that's it one session. Y'all were
gonna go back, they were gonna fight.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I mean, I don't understand.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Roland.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
I agree, I don't disagree with you in principle because
I'm a fighter. I believe in going to the balls
to the walls. But unfortunately, with respect to the numbers,
therefore members away from having quarm.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
We don't have a.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Consistus of other members that we believe would hold out
the entirety.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Isn't that the problem with then? How then can you go?
How then? And this is a fundamental.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Problem that Democrats face in Texas and the country. How
can you how you should be staying to those Democrats?
How are we going to go to the voters and
tell them to fight when we gave up, They're not
going to be welcoming y'all back as some conquering heroes.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
They're gonna say y'all lost.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Literally, it was no different than Senator Corey Booker standing
there speaking of breaking Strong Thurman's record, and when he
was done and they all.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Clap, they said, let's now move the motion. And then,
so what do we have right now?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
We have people who say Democrats don't fight. We have
people right now Texas is unorganized. You got the most
elected the most eligible black voters in Texas anywhere in
the country, and on the watch of Democrats right now,
we're going to see the loss of two black restaurant districts.
And I'm sorry, Represented Reynolds. I understand people being out.
I understand family concerns, I understand financial concerns. But how

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can we tell voters we want you to fight and
stand up and stand in line for five, six, seven,
eight hours. If Texas House Democrats will give in after two.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Weeks, I'll pass it. But I want to say this.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
If it was up to the people that were on
this zoom, or if it was up to the legislative
Black caucas we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
But this is black Hawk.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Will that be any member of the Black caucus who
shows up on Saturday or Monday to allow them to
have a quorn.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
I don't believe that there will be on Saturday. I
can't speak for beyond Saturday, but I don't know Friday Saturday.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I'm gonna tell you right now, if there is a
single African American who shows up to allow them to
have a quorum, that person should be challenged primary.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
And I'm telling you right.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Now should be defeated because what this is going to
do is decimate black power in Texas. And I'm sorry,
represented Rentalds. Look, no, no, no, rest but here's my problem.
But here's my problem. My mom and daddy seventy eight
years old went to polling places, work campaigns, ran campaigns.
I was seventy years old passing out material at bothing places.

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And I'll be damned if I'm gonna give up this
easy and impact my nieces and nephews, because we know
if we lose these two congressional districts, we will never
see them again in my lifetime and working out the
lifetime of my nieces and nephews.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
I feel you, bro, I no need to apologize. I'm
with you in spirit.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
We're working with a group that's multifaceted, multi racial, not
as progressive of the people from different communities, and I
feel your passion and I'm with you, brother. I want
to go all in so we will continue to relay
this message. I'm only communicating to you what was communicated

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to us. So just know that I'm a messenger, I'm
an ambassador, and I am relating to you the concerns
of the attorneys and others who looked at the best
strategies to proceed forward.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
What you're saying, I feel you.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, no, no, no way, and I'm gonna tell you
right now, and then they verfeally clear. If there is
a single African American who allows them to have a quorum,
I will personally bring my show to their district and
personally have a town hall in their district and have
that voter speak against them.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Representative Johnson, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (14:00):
Yes, I was just saying, Roland, you are singing to
the choir right here. Well, understand what you're saying. And
we started this, like Ron said at the beginning, to
fight this because it is our districts that are being impacted,
and it is our voice is being impacted. We know
that everybody may not be on the same page, but
you're singing to the choir today. And what we cannot
allow the Republicans to do is to make us attack

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each other. The Republicans are the enemies, not us.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
No, no, no, no, no. Represent of Johnson, I'm sorry.
The enemy of the Republicans and the enemy are weak Democrats.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
That's the enemy.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And what we find in Texas right now is that
that's one of the fun of Listen, I'm still registered
in Texas. Matter of fact, I am registered in Collagement
Jasmine Crockett's district. And what I'm saying is, again, here's
a perfect example.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
This is real, this is real, this is real.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Simple for me, nine Democrats walked out into Texas Senate.
If the other two had walked out, they couldn't have
passed the maps. So what I don't understand is why
do the other two stay? They could have walked out.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Right, but we did.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
But if that's the perfect that I'm talking about, if
nine walked out and went to the office and they
couldn't if two Democrats had also walked out, Zepherini and
Chewi he know ho, So they.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Couldn't have passed the maps. So what do they say, Oh,
we stayed to fight.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
No you didn't. You stayed to lose.

Speaker 9 (15:25):
So you're gonna go into their districts. And to those
two Democrats that stay, you're gonna go in their district you.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
God damn right, I ain't gonna problem doing it, because
this is the problem. And I'm telling y'all, I'm telling
y'all right now, Black folks are saying, oh, Democrats, y'all
want us to fight, organize, mobilized, swing and put all
the work. And then when we do, then you don't
even have the gumption to force a second or a

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third session. You give up after two weeks. Representave Jones
go ahead.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
So a thousand percent agree with you?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
No, she's here, were we here?

Speaker 10 (16:02):
I'm a thousand percent in line with you. I ain't
gonna be there on Saturday or Monday. Let me be clear,
if this is my respectful opinion. If we go with them,
we allow the people who are not losing seats, okay,
the people that are losing seats are black people.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
Okay, they are losing seats and.

Speaker 10 (16:21):
We will never get them back. So I'm not gonna
make it easy for them to not be courageous.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm just not.

Speaker 8 (16:30):
I think it's wrong.

Speaker 10 (16:32):
I think that we can't ask our constituents to fight
for us if we're not willing to fight for them.
We had four special sessions in the Ada's legislature. We've
been here for not even two weeks. Monday will be
two weeks, so we will not have even held out
for two weeks. I don't know how my law practice
is going to be when I get back from here,

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and I've got to figure that out. But right now,
I always wanted to have a civil rights moment where
I to show people who my grandmother and mom raised
me to be, and this is that moment in time.
I understand people have different reasoning for what they're doing,
but I'm not gonna do it. I literally woke up

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this morning crying. I woke up this morning crying because
why would I let California do? But I can do
my damn self. True story. And even if California is
able to pass their maps, that doesn't stop CD. And
let me be clear, my district House Digent one forty
seven has three of the districts in it. I shared

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instituencies with CD nine, with CD eighteen, and with CD
twenty nine, and I live in CD eighteen. My constituents
will not have the opportunity to elect two or three
people who think like us, and US spreading the word
and getting the word out, and California or Illinois or
New York doing whatever it is they do doesn't change

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the fact that I ain't gonna have sufficient black representation
in Houston where I live and allow us to pick
the person. And the same thing is true in Dallas.
And so I'm not a sheep at all. I'm not
gonna just follow because that is like what people are
saying to say. You know, I'm willing to hold out

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as long as I need to. I know that Montgomery
bus boycott lasted for over a year. Right, people people struggle,
people had to figure out how to get to work.
People lost their jobs, and this was for over a
year because they understood that the only way to get
white folks to pay attention was to hit them in
the in the pocketbook, and they thought they can outlast us.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
So you ain't got to worry about me. I ain't
going nowhere.

Speaker 10 (18:39):
And let me be clear to anybody who says I'm
not team House Democratic Caucus, No, I'm team eighteen one
forty seven. I'm team my constituents. My constituents are what matters.
So that's why I ain't making no mistakes. I have
a like I said, sometimes in life, decisions are hard.
Sometimes in life you gotta make them. And I make
a decision to stand with my constituents. I'm not making

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a decision to make it easier for the Democrats to
go back, and let me be clear, if we go
back to the House, we're going to be slaughtered. Okay,
there are eighty eight of them and sixty two of us.
They don't listen to us. They shove stuff down our
throats all session, very very very very very bad bills.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right.

Speaker 10 (19:22):
So when I fight, I fight to win. I don't
fight to win the messaging. I don't fight to end
a session. My fight is to stop the maps. And
if we stay with a quorum and back to the
whole legal thing, let me be clear. If we stayed
till March or June, guess what, there wouldn't be no
maps to change the game.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
There would be no maps.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
There wouldn't be no maps.

Speaker 10 (19:46):
So the same districts that we have right now would
still be in place if we stop them from doing it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'll right, I'm a lawyer.

Speaker 10 (19:55):
That's legal fiction. People can say stuff. I cannot let
people do be and.

Speaker 8 (19:59):
Tell me it's ray. I'm just not gonna believe it.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
We thought if we stopped it, there would be no
new maps for people to vote on period point blank.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Friday. I had I think represented Sophronia Thompson on longer
serving House member ever and we talked about Senator John
Cornyn asking the FBI UH to come in UH and
and come after them. This is what she actually said
about that.

Speaker 11 (20:25):
In fact, it's a civil one, it's not a criminal one.
And number three Tom Delay tried that in two thousand
and three when we left and went to Arta, Oklahoma.
He wanted to send the FBI and pick us up
and bring us back to Texas.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
And they didn't.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
They did not, they did not get involved.

Speaker 11 (20:43):
And they and that was a Republican administration during that
time as well. These are civil war ones.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
And I don't they don't have to look for me.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't tell them where I am.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
I can set them a map and direction, driving direction
and everything. They can locate me real well.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, so here's my point here, Represented Reynolds. One of
the things that doctor King always talked about that I
need an antagonist to my protagonist. And the reason the
movement did not succeed in Albany, Georgia because the sheriff
was smart, he was college educated, but then he had

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then he had. Then they went against Jim Clark, they
went against Bull Connor because he understood I need an antagonist.
So this is what I don't understand if I'm gonna
go back.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Let's say it.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Let's say I'm a House Democrat and I'm gonna go back.
I ain't gonna make it easy on him. I'm gonna say,
come get me. As matter of fact, if you come
to my house, we're gonna have the cameras there, and
I'm gonakneel in my front yard and then you're gonna
have to physically put me in a car. But what
I'm not gonna do is willingly walk to the state Capitol.

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I'm not gonna make it easy on them. I'm not
gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, I'm gonna make it hard on them. And so
are you saying that to the.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Other Democrats that we're gonna make it easy. We're just
gonna walk back to Austin and think the people gonna say, oh,
glad to have y'all back.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
The last two weeks was great.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
No, you've got to make it hard on them. What
are democrats in Texas doing to make it hard on
them instead of making it easy?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Walking back in well Roland again, Fred, I feel your
passion and I agree with the sentiments of what Representative
Jones said.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
And just for context, when if.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
You look back at the empirical data on this, I
was one of the first to say we need to
break Korm, so I do believe in the spirit of
good trouble, necessary trouble. I was one of the ones
with Jasmine Crockett back in twenty twenty one it says
we need.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
To break Korm and go to DC, and we did so.
I feel you, Fred. The only problem I'm telling you
is that everybody ain't built like us.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, well that, but then everybody who ain't built like
us also need to be called out because see, these
are the same.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Folk who want us to put it on the line.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
When it's time for them to put it on the line,
they punk out.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
To be honest with you, I know for a fact
that they would be able to make Quorm that many
people say, I didn't sign up for a second Qorn break.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
I'm just gonna be transparent with you.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
We had to push and do everything we could to
get them to do this Quorn break right here, right now.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
So we tried to move the needle, but the resistance was, Hey,
I gotta do this. I got I got a wife,
I got a spouse, I got a job, I got
this I got that.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
I can't do another thirty days, so we would not
likely have the number that we need fifty one strong
to be able to have a continued chorn break. That
is the real, honest to God's truth, being transparent, keeping
it one hundred, keeping it real. We we can many
of us can say, hey, we gonna hold a line.

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But if you get four more, the quorm break is over.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
They have a quorm. That is what I'm telling you.
I'm just putting it online.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And you know what, here's what's amazing for me, Representative Johnson.
I literally watched for Freedom Caucus Republicans forced vote after
vote after vote after vote for a new Speaker of
the House. We saw them four and this is and

(24:37):
I'm just telling you, I'm just I spent a lot
of time on the ground. I'm gonna put it down
right now. Here's what's gonna happen. But every Democrat who's
going all we want the messaging, all we don't rally
the other Democrats when they come back, folks in Texas

(24:57):
are gonna be mad and disappointed. They're gonna be upset,
and they're gonna say that's it. Two weeks, that's it.
And I'm telling you it's gonna be harder to motivate
young folks in Texas, to motivate other folks in Texas
to vote out folks in these state seats, because they're

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gonna say, why should I vote for a party that
folded so easily. Your response to that.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
My response is you're absolutely right. They want to see
Democrats fighting and we have to continue this fight. Iheartedly
agree with you. And like I said, you touched to
three people that are here, told you know, ten toes down.
We have to show that we are fighting. We are
not giving up the fight. We're not giving up that fight.
And I can understand you know you're looking at what

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you're hearing. We haven't confirmed when we were coming back
us through. You haven't heard us say that.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
We didn't say we was coming back up those You
don't have to, ma'am, No, no disrespect. You don't have
to because this right here is the tech Sis Tribune.
It's right here. Texas House Democrats who left the state
in protests of proposed congressional districting said Thursday they will
return to the state at the legislature adjourned. They say
in a statement, members of the minority party said the

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lawyers had advised them to return quote to build a
strong public legislative record for the upcoming legal battle against
these particular districts. This is the state, says Texas House
Democrats broke quorum and successfully mobilized the nation against Trump's
assault minority voting rights. This is going to representative war
out of Houston, facing threats of facing threats of arrest,

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law fair financial penalties, harassment, and bomb threats. We have
stood firm in our fight against a proposed Jim Crow
congressional district map. Go right ahead, and again.

Speaker 9 (26:46):
I speak to Charlene, not for anybody whose name you
saw there, and I said that the fight has to continue.
And so what we have to do is continue to fight.
And I'm listening to my constituents.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
For my constituent for me to do.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
Right olded me into the seat, and I have you know,
I have their respect, I have their voice that I'm
listening to, not anybody else or whatever you went on there.
I'm listening to my constituents.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Final comment, I'm just gonna say this.

Speaker 10 (27:16):
My constituent said stay where you're at, right And the
fact that I have colleagues who feel like they need
to go there. I can't let that dictate what I do.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I just can't.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Right Apart from that, I woke up this morning crying.
I woke up this morning because I see the only
power that we have we're giving away, literally the.

Speaker 10 (27:41):
Only power that we had to stop those bullies, those
races ani black people. We literally stopped them in their
tracks because they could not conduct business.

Speaker 8 (27:52):
And and so I and I've never in my entire life,
I've been on so many winning teams. I've just I
don't take well to lose it. And I don't believe.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
I mean, even though some people think it's a win,
me personally, I don't think it's a win if they
pass those maps, because we are going to lose representation.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
We are going to lose it, and the people that
are losing it are black people.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
White people aren't losing representation. Hispanic people got five seats.
The people that are losing it are black.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
And I just want to see when people will stand
for black people like they stand for other people. That's
just real. And again, I'm a lawyer for thirty years.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
If the maps don't go into effect, then we still
have two congressional seats that people can run for and
if the maps do go in effect, we don't have
a blood bath between two black people in Houston and
two black people in Dallas. And I think we want
the opportunity to have both of those black people in
both Houston and in Dallas. So I'm not with you

(29:01):
in spirit, I'm with you in action, right, because that's
it's about. I mean, your words might say something, but
what do your action show? And so I and I
fully expect to be punished. I fully expect that if
I'm in the House, in the State House, I ain't
gonna pass no mobiles ever again in life. But if

(29:22):
that's what I have to lose, I may not even
be talked to ever again in life in the house
because I didn't go along to get along.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
I'm prepared for that because.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
The people that elected me to fight for them have
asked me to stay, and that's what I'm doing, regardless
of the consequences from political people.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm gonna close this out. This is doctor King's book,
Where Do We Go from here? A chaos o community.
In the last chapter called the World House, and I'm
gonna skip around. This is literally what he says. He
writes the present upsurge of the Negro people of the
United States out of a deep and passionate determination to
make freedom and equality a reality here and now. What

(30:06):
we are seeing now is a freedom explosure, the realization
of an idea whose time has come. To use Victor
Hugo's phrase, the deep rumbling of discontent that we hear
today is the thunder of disinherited masses rising from dungeons
of oppression to the bright heels of freedom. All over
the world like a fever, freedom is spreading to the
widest liberation movement in history. The great masses of people

(30:28):
are determined to end the exploitation of the racists and lands.
He says, you can hear them rumbling in every village street,
on the docks, in the houses, among the students, in
the churches, and the political meetings. Oppressed people cannot remain
oppressed forever. The yearning for freedom eventually manifests itself. Then,
he says, something within has reminded the Negro of his

(30:49):
birthright of freedom, and something without has reminded him that it.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Can be gained, consciously or unconsciously.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
He has been caught up by the spirit of the
times and with his black brothers of Aca and his
brown and yellow brothers in Asia, South America and the Caribbean.
The United States, Negro is moving with a sense of
great urnesy toward the promised land of racial justice. Nothing
could be more tragic than for men to live in
these revolution every time and failed to achieve the new

(31:16):
attitudes and the new mental outlooks that the new situation demands.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Very simple.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
The people today, the voters today, Millennials, gen Z, jen Alpha,
these are not the same folk as Baby boomers and
Generation X. And the reality is fewer African Americans are
self identifying as Democrats. People are saying, I don't see fighters,
I don't see people standing up. And what they're also

(31:46):
saying is where execular Representative Jones says, we have been
the backbone of the Democratic Party. We have been the
ones who have withstood the battles and the fights in
the character torch. And when the hell do the other
folks stand up and fight as hard as we do?
I understand, I understand, I understand every single point that
you've made, represent the Rentals Representative Johnson, Representative Jones, But

(32:09):
I'm telling you right now, y'all should go back to
that caucus and you tell Representative Woo, and you tell
Tall Rico, and you.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Tell Anachi and tell the rest of them.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
They are gonna have a problem when they let these
racist maps go through and they gonna look up.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
And if you think black folks have.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Said were sitting out and we're gonna spend times doing
line dancing the boots on the ground, they are in
for a rude awakening when they come to black churches
and black neighborhoods and say where you're at?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
And response is gonna be where the hell were you at?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
We need you the most. I think all three of
you for your work. And again, let every remember the
Black Caucus know any member who stands with these Republicans
and gives them acorn, I'm putting their names and their
faces on this show every single day because they got
to be called out. And let me be real clear,
I understand other folk, well, this show sit as African

(33:05):
Americans is let those black members know that if they buckle,
they will be called out. Say one quick, I literally
got to go to break my parents next. I appreciate
all three of you, Thank you so very much for
your service and your fight. Thanks a lot. I got
to go to a break. I'll be right back rolling
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Speaker 4 (33:30):
Now streaming on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Getting like this, this this major artist like Snoop can
be like, yeah, you're going to be the flagship of
death Ow epics is crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Cause I'm like, Okay.

Speaker 12 (33:40):
When he got the call, I was in the I
was in the room.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
He was sealing the deal.

Speaker 12 (33:43):
It's done, and I was like, man, congratulations, you know,
I got me a drink.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
You know you've holed up.

Speaker 12 (33:48):
And we were sitting there talking and and uh, I
was like, oh man, I can't imagine how many rappers
are going to have on this label.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
What's going to be He was like I'm not doing that.
I'm like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like that's death Row two pop sug the whole look.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And he's like, no, no, you're gonna be the flagship
for it. You're gonna do it first. And I'm like,
are you trying well?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
And I'm like, I'm R and B right, this death
Row's on R and B said it is now.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It was like, I'll get rappers lated.

Speaker 12 (34:13):
I don't worry about that, but I want you to
take a look, I'm like, oh, this is I was nervous.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I was like, there's no way this is going to
work people.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
And of course you get a little.

Speaker 12 (34:21):
Backlash from you know, on the comments section. You know,
when he's posting about it.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's just like he's R and B.

Speaker 12 (34:26):
That's not death row and they, you know, we had
to slowly kind of get people acclimated to it.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
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Speaker 4 (34:52):
He always unfiltered though I ain't never known him to
be filtered.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Is there nothing? Is there another way to experience Rolling
Martin than to be unfiltered? Course he's unfiltered. Would you
expect anything less?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Why watch? Watch What's what happens next?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Recent cover was the host of serious exit radio show
The Recent COVID Show, joining us from DC at the
Greg Car Department of African American Studies, how A university
hosts of The Black Table on the Black Start Network.
We sa I'll start with you. I can't stand weakness
racing Robin Harris said, I'm pissed off to the highest epistivity.
I got calls this morning saying the Democrats were We're

(35:39):
going to buckle.

Speaker 13 (35:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
But it wasn't just it wasn't just the calls this morning.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
In fact, last week, h representative of a Shia was
on this show. Uh and when we talked to him,
he literally uh laid out that this was the plan,
that this was the agenda, laid out well you know, uh,
you know, we got focus a lot going on and
stuff along those lines. And when he was talking, I

(36:04):
was sitting there going, I said, Okay, here they go.
Here they go express it a weakness. Here they go.
And I'm telling you, they think it's just going to
be business as usual, and it's not me. I'm gonna
do this here. I'm going to play for you exactly,
go ahead and roll. This is what he said on
this show Friday, and we.

Speaker 14 (36:24):
Have jobs and families back home. We set some pretty
clear goals when we started this Core and Break. The
first one was that we were going to try, and
it was going to be very hard because of the
frenetic Trump media cycle, to capture the American imagination on redistricting.
We wanted people to be talking about redactrictam in barbershops,
on street corners, and on shows just like this, just

(36:46):
like you're doing to try to raise consciousness.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I think we've done that.

Speaker 14 (36:51):
I'm really pleasantly surprised because this little band of Texas
state representatives.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Was able to help elevate the conversation.

Speaker 14 (37:00):
The second thing we wanted to do is work with
Blue state governors to get them ready.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
Because if we had just let them run over us on.

Speaker 14 (37:08):
The House floor, this would have been a two day
media cycle and it would have been and it would
have been over like nobody would have paid attention to Texas.
It would be like Texas Democrats lose, Okay. So that's
why we couldn't let that happen. We wanted to make
sure that we were protecting our African American and Latino
constituents by working with Blue state governors to show some pushback. Right,

(37:32):
that's super important. It was super important us. And finally
we said we were going to run out the clock
on this special session. Now, the governor's right, he can
call special session after special session after special session. So
our goal was to give the Blue states some time
to catch up to activate their plans for redistricting. But

(37:53):
at some point we're going to have to go back
and fight this on the House floor and we're going
to have to fight it in the courts, especially since
there's some clear violations of Section.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Two of the Voting Rights Act. And that's that's kind
of our strategy.

Speaker 14 (38:06):
So if we can tick the box and say national conversation,
blue state strategy to counteract the five from Texas. And
we understand that we have a delegation in California today
meeting the governor Newsom.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
They're ready to roll.

Speaker 14 (38:20):
And we run out the clock on this special session,
we will have succeeded.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
And the rest is up to blue state.

Speaker 14 (38:29):
Governors that have the trifecta of the House, the Senate,
and the governorship to really counteract this stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
You ain't You ain't gonna succeed, shit, Recie. What's going
to happen is you're gonna go there. They're gonna gavel
as sucker in a session and they're gonna pass this
bill in less than sixty seconds.

Speaker 13 (38:51):
This is where Democrats fucked up. Democrats have the delusional
idea that they are ever going to get an a
for effort, that they're going to get a credit for trying.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Right. Oh my god, that was great. I mean, y'all
a hero. Y'all sat out two weeks. Yay, Yeah, I
mean I think that good for them.

Speaker 13 (39:12):
They did something. I mean people are constantly saying, Democrats
do something, Democrats fight, show us something. But the reality
is that elections have motherfucking consequences, and the consequences are
that in the state of Texas, you have a Republican
governor who should have never been reelected after Uvaldi and
all the other pinous things that have happened in Texas,

(39:35):
but he was reelected comfortably against Beto. You have a
Republican control of the Senate, the and the representatives over
the House whatever it's called in Texas, and so they
have the power. Democrats have to start getting fucking real
with voters about the fact that when Republicans have power,
they get to do very bad shit. And the only

(39:56):
way to ensure that Republicans don't have power to do
very bad shit is to vote their asses out and
vote Democrats in. They try to do that every election cycle.
People don't believe them, and they're like, oh my god,
I can't believe bad things are happening. Well, what the
hell did you think was going to happen? Of course
it was going to happen. But another thing that this
reveals I said it last week on your shirt, Roland,

(40:17):
that there was no real long term strategy. There was
a short term strategy. As as the guy laid out,
there stop one special session. Okay, well there and here
come the next one. They raised expectations too high, and
now the people who did something, who aren't the enemy,
are becoming the villains in the situation. So what I'm

(40:38):
interested in seeing here is Representative Jeelanda Jones. She is
part of a crowded primary field for former Representatives Sabuster
Turner's seat. I'm interested in seeing if those voters decisively
reward her with that seat in the primary, and they say,
you know what we wanted, A Yolanda Jone, A Jelanda Jones.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
She's filed for District eighteen. There's not going to be
a District eighteen.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
No no, no, no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no. Let me walk you through these things.
They are about twenty people who are filed to run
for District eighteen. That's the district hell by the late
Congressman Sylvester Turner. Congress with Sheila Jackson, Lee, Craig Washington,
Mickey Leland, Barbara Jordan.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Republicans are getting rid of that district.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
They have moved the line of Congress of Al Green,
who is currently in District nine, who's currently living in
where he is, They've moved his house to District nine.
He is going to run for reelection. So eighteen is
being white.

Speaker 13 (41:43):
They're not a special election happening.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
No no, no, no no no don't no no no
no no follow me here the election. That's a special election.
But here's the problem you're gonna have. You're gonna have
the special election. But that seat's gone. So he is
a deal. They have to file, they have to file
for that seat. Of the filing date, I think it's September.

(42:06):
The special election is in November to feel twenty five
to field District eighteen. But when the Republicans passed the map,
then eighteen gets wiped out. Thirty Coswoman Jackson jas mc
crockett gets wiped out.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
So the deadline to file to run.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
In twenty twenty six is December, because the primaries in
Texas are in March, so so Representative Jones.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
If Representative Jones wins.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And she's running against former councilwoman Amanda Edwards, City County
Attorney Christian Minifie and.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
The host of others.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
So if she wins, she's there for one year, but
she has only one month to decide whether she files
to run against Congressman Al Green and District nine.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (42:58):
But my point Roland is that if the premise is
that Democrats get all this credit for fighting, then one
way that we can show that the evidence will show
even no matter how short lived this district is, the
evidence will show that Representative Jones will win that crowded primary.
And that's what I'm saying. That's one of the ways

(43:20):
that we can put our mouth where our vote is
and where Texas Democrats who are outraged about Texas Democrats
being so weak, that's one way they can say, hey,
when you step up to the plate and you stand firm,
then we're going to make sure that you are the
person that represents us. I'm interested to see if that happens.
I think she deserves it regardless, but I'm interested to

(43:40):
see because there's always so much talk about how much,
you know, we want Democrats to fight, and very often
those same democrats are not rewarded.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well, well, here's o'deal I mean listening. She she's a
former city council rememberen, she's a former school district member
of the school district. She now in the state's state house.
And so if you look at of fundraising, the door
spins of polling, uh, she's leading that.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Again, that's that's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
But what I'm saying is she's gonna.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Have a month.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
She's gonna have a month to say, and a month
is gonna be do I run again? So her her
running is really immaterial to this battle, because if this
battle wasn't happening, frankly, based upon any number factors, it's
a good bet that if you've had the bet who's
gonna be in the runoff, it's gonna be her. But
this is the thing from that jimps out for me,
Greg And see, this is why I was going so

(44:33):
hard with the Black Caucus. If the Black Caucus as
a caucus said.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
We ain't going back.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
All of us are gonna stand here and if y'all
gonna do this, you're gonna do it without us, that
then would have caused them to say, are we gonna
buck the entire Black caucus. But see here's the problem, Greg,
The problem is you got some weak negroes in the

(45:08):
Black Caucus. You got some weak negroes who refused to
come on this show to talk, and we called them.
We need to go back because you know what happened
when they had the last walk out and I know
him personally, but he punked out Garnett Coleman. We need
to go back for what to get slaughtered. He participated

(45:32):
in the breaking of the quorum. Ron Wilson, his sorry
ass when Tom Delayed pulled that shit when he was
in Congress the first time. Ron Wilson broke her to
deal because see, he thought he was going to get
the congressional seat of Al Green and you know what happened.
He ran, so he partnered with the Republicans, lined with them,

(45:56):
and he went back. And you know what happened when
he ran for that corrrecial seat. God is ass whooped.
And you know what happened when he ran for a
state Repsit got his ass whooped. So my point is,
if you are the Texas Legislated Black Caucus, you all
stand firm and say, if y'all don't break the corm,
then y'all don't do it without any of us.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yeah, it'll be a period victory. It'll be symbolic. The
Democrats will lose, and we'll take the next step toward
the inevitable, which is the fracturing of the American state.
Speed has already been lost, the spatal was lost the

(46:45):
ballot box. Some people may accuse you or me or
Reese here anyone else speaking on the specific subject I'm
about to say as shaming voters. I wouldn't call it
shaming voters. I would say forcing beings to look in
the mirror and say that you put the old you
put the knife in your own throat by not registering,

(47:07):
by not checking your registration, and by not voting. This
battle has already been won by the White's premises, but
the war has not been won by the whites premises. Sure,
the Congressional Black Haukus should I'm sorry, the Texas Black
Caucus should not go back. Agree with the Representative Jones,
and I also understand representative Rentals in the sense of

(47:27):
saying that in some ways this battle will now shift
to the courts now as you walk them through in
Louisiana and Alabama, the goal should be to get to December,
certainly late fall, early maybe winter, to try to stop
this by that these maps can't be and it's changed.
But let's just say that they fail, and it looks

(47:49):
like they're going to fail. If that's the case, they're
going to go to court anyway. Now, well they lose
in court probably, but here's where we're going eat ultimately, California,
you know, Governor knew something now saying well, in early November,
vote to do something about rediction. Maybe Pritzker in Illinois.
Maybe we see something in New York where their rules

(48:11):
are a little different. Certainly Ohio where there's triggered a
statewide redistricting commission. If they can't reach a sixty percent
threshold in the legislature, wish they should be able to do.
The white nationalists in Florida, the white nationalists in Missouri
where they would carve up manual clean receipt, the white
nationalists in Indiana probably could claw a few more white

(48:32):
nationalist seats in the federal legislature. But ultimately it's going
to come down to this. The type of outrage that
you exhibited there in that conversation with Representatives Reynolds, Johnson
and Jones is not going to be shared by millions
of black voters in this country who have simply tuned

(48:53):
out another set of victims, too whipped to choose, to
quote gil skoy heron distraction dissent from for whatever reason,
simply have opted out of the political process. But the
thing that will trigger their ire may very well be
the stick, because see, the thing about white nationalism is

(49:13):
finally that it's overreach comes with the supers that can
ultimately trigger the type of response that we need. This
won't change until black athletes decide to stop going to
Texas and Texas a And this won't stop until a
black spending money. But see, they won't feel that until
a super majority in Texas, a majority of the federal legislature,

(49:35):
like what we're seeing in DC stock starts harassing black
people in the streets. We got an email today at
how A University, and I'm still in Egypt, so we
returned school next week, but I got my email. Check
my email, and here's an email instructing students, faculty, staff,
and folks. They don't how your risk camps. Always carry
your IDs, you know, make sure your.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Encountering that's after going to part time bullshit.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
That is exactly right. And Roland, what you just said, brother,
that is what we're heading. And I can't tell. Frankly,
it's hard for me to contain my enthusiasm. I welcome it.
Let me tell you why I welcome it. Nelson Mandella
doesn't come to president of South Africa without Sharpville, the
Sharpville massacre, without going to jail for twenty seven years.
There's gonna be some pain ahead, and that's where you

(50:21):
find the heroic age. We're not going to get out
of this without pain. And I really don't think that
the handful of moderate Democrats if the state state caucus
Black caucus in Texas were to say we're not going
I really don't think that the Democratic Party would still
have the gumption not to give them form because there's
gonna be some punk ass Democrats who are not black
who would simply go in there. I think, ultimately the

(50:44):
only way this is gonna be resolved is by direct confrontation.
And we have passed the time when we could have
used the ballot. And as Malcolm said, it may be
another alternative coming up, soume that we're gonna have to
finally face. But when we face that then we're gonna
get some change. But I think this moment may be
on the verge of past.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
See what I need everybody watching to understand, and this
is why I absolutely disagreed with what the lawyers are
telling Congressman or in representative rentals. Now, now let me
preface this by saying, the Supreme Court, we already know
they'll do whatever hell they want to do. But as
Greg knows and Greg with the law school, they're going

(51:22):
to say, the Supreme Court has consistently said, hey, it's
not enough time to fully adjudicate this case, so therefore
we're going to leave the maps in place because it
creates too much consternation among the voters.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
So you've had lower courts rule congressional maps to be unconstitutional.
But because the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Says it's not enough time to adjudicate rule on the
maps and then for the legislature to go back and
redraw the maps, they've often said they remain in place.
So recie the reason why folk like me were saying, no,
your whole strategy should be hold out until December, because

(52:16):
there's a filing deadline in December for the March primary. See,
they keep saying, oh, they can move the primary. True,
but here is the problem. If they had held out
until December, then you hit the date and so people

(52:37):
then file for the existing districts in December. Then they
would then have to try to come back January, February whatever,
and try to change the maps and then move the
primary later and then still get sued. We know, for example,

(52:58):
that in Louisa they actually passed the maps early in
the year that was enough time before the August primary.
Supreme Court said nope, gotta freeze them in place. So
I don't understand why they're falling for this. Well, no,
they let them pass it now so we can file.

(53:19):
They literally are helping the Republican Republicans like, yo, we
changed the maps in August, it's more than enough time
for people to rent, to file, to run in the
new maps, and then sure, y'all sue and it's going
to be four years before it's fully adjudicated.

Speaker 13 (53:38):
I hear you, Rolie, I hear you. Perhaps, as they
had held out, that would have been the case. But
we aren't talking about people who are getting dates even
two hundred dollars a year, probably their pay is suspended.
Being a legislator is a part time team. These are
people who are away from their families, away from their livelihoods. Now,
that's what they signed up for when they left, and

(54:00):
they sent the expectation and TheInk we're going to be
stopping the maps.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
And that's the problem right there.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
You set the expectations, You go to New York State,
you have a news conference with a Hochel, you're in Illinois,
you're going to California, and you're like, we're gonna fight this,
we ain't let them pass it, and your.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Ass give up.

Speaker 13 (54:19):
In two weeks and knowledge that was a band, that
was a band, pr on everybody that was a band.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
And now at recent guess what they literally and then
you know already got the t They literally are like, oh, no,
we won the messaging war. No, we won the messaging war.
We rallied the Democrats in other places. No, they literally
have been in their meeting saying we're gonna be welcome

(54:45):
like heroes. I am not lying. They have literally been saying,
can we have people at the Capitol on Saturday when
we come back on the Capitol steps applauded us. When
we come back, I said, y'all got I'm.

Speaker 13 (54:59):
Not now that's now. Ain't the little as fuck? They
are absolutely not going to be welcomed back as heroes.
They're going to be welcome back as weak ass people.
But I will say this to anybody who's looking at
the Democrats as being weak, that's fine. Make sure when
these heap were up for a primer or when these
seper up for a re election, when you march your
the post to vote the ass out. Make sure that

(55:22):
you march your the post to vote out Greg abage
ass and vote on John Cornan's ass and any other
Republican in your motherfucking way. And if you have, if
you're not a regular voter, now would be the time
to do that. If we get there. To doctor Carr's point,
this might come to a head before that. We're all
talking hypothetically as though we're either going to have elections,

(55:43):
But my casign I figured that at some point would
come to some noting resolution. So far, the people not
there pewing are the crazy ass magamafuckers. The CDC got
shot up, the Democrats got killed in a Minnesota there
wrong people are getting activated right now, and so or

(56:04):
if this doesn't come to that kind of head before
our next vote happens, get your ass out and vote.
Can you can vote mad against the Democrats, but make
sure you vote just as mad against the people who
are really the ones implementing these heinous policies.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Here's the thing for me, Greg that a lot of
people don't understand. First of all, in Texas, it's in
the constitution. It's by design that is not a full
time legislature. Okay, uh, they only meet. They meet every
two years, even though the governor can call as many
special sessions as possible. But here's the other thing. Texas
lawmakers are allowed to have other jobs. And so when

(56:44):
they were people talking about, oh, they're getting fined five
hundred dollars a day. See, this is what happens when
you strategize. That's when you sit here and go, oh, okay,
I'm going to hire five of them and I'm going
to pay them. So what's you're getting fired five hundred
dollars a day, seven days a week. Okay, I'm gonna

(57:07):
hire five, you hire five, you hire five, you have five.
The law allows for them to have multiple jobs. They cannot.
In fact, there are state lawmakers who created companies that
we're getting bond contracts with cities and counties and municipalities
who would state legislators. So folks don't even understand that

(57:28):
there are also no campaign limits in Texas in terms
of money being donated. See this is what I'm talking about.
To Rese's point, Greg, if you're gonna do this, you're
gonna raise expectations. Can you have a game plan the
last more than two weeks. That's the equivalent of saying,
we got a big football game on Saturday, and we
have a two quarter game plan. Hey, coach, you know

(57:53):
it's four quarters, Greg, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
That's true. And this is really where Rowland You've identified
the reality, and that is we don't have a firm
grasp of long range thinking that then gets back mapped
into bite sized, step by step strategy. The pure breid,

(58:24):
the pure bred religious racists, and I call them religious
racists because they're religious extremists. Russell Vote, Kevin Roberts, and
so many others associated with Quarterbacks and Project twenty twenty five.
But people look at as a political document, and it is,
but it's been driven by a white nationalist, cultural theocratic foundation.

(58:46):
What we're seeing in Texas is anti black racism being
the jet fuel for this type of political strategy. Now,
of course a lot has been made to the fact
that this proposed redistricting would create some Latino plurality districts.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, five greg Abbas, five Republican leaning Latino districts.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
Right.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
But the problem is that now these white nationalists have
moved to cracking and packing Latinos and they are relying
on anti black racism to inform enough enough people in
the Spanish speaking community in that now Latino plurality state

(59:35):
of Texas to peel off those by having these people
vote against black people. Now, then what should our response be. Well,
if we had a long range view, we would understand
a couple of things. Number one, white nationalism is permanent
in this country. It is foundational to the country. And
number two, you can't appeal to white nationalists to attempt

(59:56):
to beat white nationalism by appealing to white nationalists. Right,
So your long range to break the back of white
nationalism by embracing a black first strategy. And then the
bite sized steps to in terms of implementing that long
range vision and a step by step process is to say,

(01:00:16):
as black people, we represent of black people first, but
that that black first strategy also benefits everyone else. Now
what do what? So, so when you go to now
a Latino plurality district, a new one, you say, look,
these white nationalists hate you. They've cracked and packed your district,

(01:00:37):
and some of y'all hate us. I'm not here to
make you like me. I'm not here to convince you
that I'm a human being. I'm here to say that
you are a racist. But now you're a racist with
a food bill that's exploded. Now you're a racist with
a power bill that has exploded. And the pain for
you to like me. What I'm going to say is
that the people who hate we hate you as well.

(01:00:57):
When we come, you can student the lower medical bill,
a lower electricity bill, and we can have a beer
or and fight each other in the street.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
And that's just fine.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
But what we have to understand is we got to
stop pretending as if we can move voters already who
don't participate, but the ones who do. But pretending is
if we can move voters by somehow gusting ourselves up,
washing our faces and combing our hair in a certain
way and saying, see we're harmless. No, you gotta fight
these people. I like the way that goes up. And

(01:01:33):
I'm saying that's a winning strategy even with white nationalist
who will say I hate you, but I'm still gonna
vote for you, because I can hate you in a
house where my heating bill and my cooling bill isn't exploding.
That's how you implement a long range strategy in a
short range fashion. But in order to do that, we've
got to look long range and long ranges. It's a

(01:01:53):
white nationalist country and it's always going to be one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
So closes out to resent made this point. Congressional districts
are gerrymandered. State rep districts are gerrymandered, State Senate districts
are gerrymandered. But you can't jerry mander in the presidential

(01:02:19):
race or the United States Senate, or the governor or
the attorney general or the Secretary of State or the
Land commissioner, or seats on the Texas Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Those are all statewide seats.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
And so I have been saying this to Greg's point
about black first, y'all, and k't nobody say I ain't
been saying this, but I've been real clear why you
must give your money to black voters. Matter, give the
money to black groups that are mobilizing black people on
the ground. How many times have y'all heard me say

(01:02:56):
that if we vote at seventy percent of our capacity,
we voted seventy percent of our capacity against these white
nationals in Texas. And let's be real clear, y'all. George W.
Bush beat Governor Anne Richards. Then when he ran a
second time, he ran against what they call a unity ballot.

(01:03:16):
You had a rich Latino banker running for governor. You
had a black man who was mayor of Dallas and
Ronkirk running for United States Senate. And then you had
a white man and John Sharp who was running I
think was for lieutenant governor. And guess what they all lost.
So the presenters, this multiracial coalition and Republicans have controlled

(01:03:41):
Texas politics for the last twenty five years. They own
it every state wide office. And the reason they keep
winning for multiple reasons. One of the reasons that that
twound and fifty four counds in Texas, Democrats only have
eighty one county offices. That's one. But the second reason
is because malaise people have been so observed. Well, you know,

(01:04:02):
we can't do anything betod lost against Greg Abbot. Seventy
five percent of young people under the age of thirty
did not vote. Texas has more eligible black voters than
any state in America. Texas is an unorganized state. It
is it is is a state that's not been mobilized.

(01:04:22):
And what I'm saying to black people, if any black member,
if any Black member no go back, if any Black
member allows them to have a quorm, you primary them
and you take them out. But then what you do
is you absolutely take out Ken Paxton or John Cornyn

(01:04:44):
for a United States Senate And then what you do
is you take out come in twenty twenty eight, you
take out Abbot, You spend the next three years mobilizing
that state and telling folks, y'all, stee want to live
underneath this here, you mobilize young women to say you

(01:05:04):
want me. Do you see how many women.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
In Texas are dying because of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
These anti abortionists, literally dying because they're being denied services
when they have complications from pregnancy. Do y'all understand that
I have a niece who is due, my oldest, my
oldest niece, my parents, my grandparents oldest grandchild who is
due in November. I'm fucking scared to death because these assholes.

(01:05:34):
If anything happens with her pregnancy, because of these assholes,
she may not get the proper care.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Because of the laws if they have established. See to
Greg's point, to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
A lot of folk, the shit ain't real, tend to
get personal. And so earlier today I would sit in
the chat, and so folks were like, they were like, really,
you know, I understand, you know, but you want the
folks to do this here and do that here. But
a lot of us are comfortable. I said, Well, goddamn it,
I ain't comfortable, I said, because I pay the taxis

(01:06:10):
on a house in Dallas County that my parents live in.
And when I go home, yes, and I've got family reunions.
And when I sit here and again nine nieces for nephews.
When I look at family members who are all in Texas,
God damn it, that's blood sweat that's in that fucking soil.

(01:06:33):
And when I look at people today, zip up this easy.
When I look at people today, and you tell me
that you ran for office to stand and fight for folk,
and all you could do is last for two weeks.
And when I hear Sinfronio Thompson, who's a running buddy
of Mama grandmother, who says, you ain't gonna look for me,

(01:06:54):
I will show you the map to come to my house.
Don't tell me you're gonna walk back willing nye to
the state capitol. Don't tell me you're gonna sit here
and say, well, we're gonna go on to death.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
We're gonna go over there and we fight. No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
And if you didn't want to fight, did goddamn it. Leave.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Let somebody else in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
That position, because what we are talking about is a
battle that's generational. What we are talking about right now,
go to my iPad. The United States Supreme Court is
gonna reconsider the congressional district in Louisiana, and they literally
are going to rule against race based congressional districts. And

(01:07:33):
I need all of y'all to understand that what is
on the balance is they could wipe out with one
goddamn ruling more than thirty black congressional seats. That means,
right now, the Congressional Black Caucus is the largest caucus
in the United States Congress, and this Supreme Court could
clearly wipe out half of the damn Congressional Black Caucus.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
So don't tell me you're being too emotional. Don't tell
me it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Right now, they're looking to wipe out Congressman Kleaver in Missouri.
They're looking to wipe out Congresswoman Psychs in Ohio. They've
already wiped out a black seat in Florida. They I've
told y'all repeatedly that they want to de fund Black America.

(01:08:30):
They want to take everything economically, everything politically, academics, business,
They want Jim Crow two point zero to return.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
And what you had better understand is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Read a goddamn history book, because this is exactly what
happened after the eighteen seventy five decision. This is exactly
what happened after Placy versus Ferguson, when they wiped out
black representation in Congress. Go read the speech of that
last black Republican who was from North Carolina. The reason

(01:09:08):
the Congressional Black Caucus Phoenix Awards is called that because
he said to them, you may wipe us out, now
that we are going to rise like a phoenix. Every
single one of y'all watching, y'all want to understand why
Tay I tell.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Y'all stop sitting here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Debating is bullshit, Lebron and MJ and we talk about
dancing everything. These white nationalists literally are trying to wipe
out every black advancement that we have seen, not since
the Civil Rights movement, but since reconstruction.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
This is not a drill, this is reality.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
You'd better understand. I'm not gonna be silent what happens.
And if you are black, if you're unwilling to fight,
if you ain't got the spirit of Shirley Chisholm, a
bit unbought and on boss, will get your ass out
the way and lets some folks saying who are ready

(01:10:13):
to do battle. I'll be back.

Speaker 13 (01:10:22):
This week. On the other side of Change, Diasca.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Wars the internet has been sworn.

Speaker 13 (01:10:28):
Who has a right to blackness and black culture?

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
Who is overrepresented?

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Underrepresented?

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
It's too much. It's making us dizzy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
We don't have to be prideful without this air of superiority. Right,
all stories matter within this black sphere that we exist in.

Speaker 13 (01:10:42):
Only on the Other side of Change on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Next on the Black Tape with Me Greg The United
States is the most dangerous place for a woman to
give birth among all industrialized nations on the planet. Think
about that for a second. That's not all. Black women
are three times more likely to die in this country
during childbirth than white women.

Speaker 13 (01:11:09):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist. There are a lot
of white supremacists, ideas and mythologies around black women, black
women's bodies, even black people that we experience.

Speaker 8 (01:11:21):
Paying less right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Activist organizers and fearless freedom fighter Monifa I Canwile band
Lay from Moms Rising joins us and tells us this
shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted in unadulterated racism.
And that's just one of her fights. Monifa Bande lay
on the Next Black Table here on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 15 (01:11:47):
On the next Get Wealthy with Me Deborah Owen's America's
Wealth Coach. Black Americans have one tenth of wealth of
their white counterparts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
But how do we get here?

Speaker 13 (01:11:59):
It's a huge gas. Well, that's why we need to
know the history and what we need to do to
turn our income into wealth.

Speaker 15 (01:12:06):
Financial author and journalist Rodney Brooks joins us to tell us.

Speaker 13 (01:12:11):
Exactly what we need to do to achieve financial success.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
You can't talk about why we are as black people
where we are unless you talk.

Speaker 15 (01:12:20):
About how we got here, bridging the gap and getting wealthy.

Speaker 13 (01:12:24):
Only on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I'm Russell L.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Honoree, Lieutenant Gerald United States.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Sorrow retired, and you're watching Roland Martin. I'm healthy. I
laid out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Why I'm so pissed off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
And m.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Somebody in Chad says, man getting blood pressure up. And
my problem.

Speaker 13 (01:13:15):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
We literally have folk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Who who do not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Understand what's happening before very eyes. When Greg just sat here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
And talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
How you know, diversity, students, faculty, staff, the mecca, that's
what it's called. You're here to relate. You get an
email in twenty twenty five in so called Chocolate City,

(01:14:24):
be sure to carry your ID. When I referenced South Africa,
I need everybody watching right now. I need y'all to
write down type in your phone the Polaroid Revolution as.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Youre workers movement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I need y'all to understand apart TID doesn't end without
what they did. Ken Williams is working at Polaroid and
he walks into the corporate headquarters and he sees this
picture and he realizes that the past books essentially passports

(01:15:17):
the black people were forced to carry in South Africa.
They were made by Polaroid. Ken Williams goes to them
and say this, say right, and he begins to go
around and he begins to talk to the other black

(01:15:37):
folks at Polaroid and a young woman twenty six years
old named Carolyn Hunter. Carolyn listens to what he has
to say, and she says, you're right. And Carolyn Hunter,
her mama says, baby, what you doing? You just got
your degree, you and chemists, You got you a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Nice job, Carolyn Hunters. He says, no, Mama, my good
job ain't good enough for me to accept this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Ken Williams and Callen Hunter begin to go on this
battle and they begin to fight this very issue.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
They lose their jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
See several years ago, Professor Charles Overtree he would do
this Charles Hamilton, Houston Institute, and he would have this
panel discussion on Martha's Vinya. Two thousand and eight. I
was invited to it. Two thousand and nine, I was
invited back. And in two than and ten I did

(01:16:50):
a book signing of my book on Obama the election,
and so I was invited there by Carol william and
so I'm staying at their house, do the book, signing everything.
And so then in two thousand and nine, I'm sitting here.
I am I'm filling in for Campbell Brown, and I'm

(01:17:10):
in the hotel, the Parking Meridian in New York City,
and it's three o'clock in the morning. I could not sleep,
and I'm watching PBS and they have a documentary on
the investment movement of South Africa. And I'm sitting there
watching this. Then all of a sudden a picture comes up,
and I'm looking at that picture, and I go, is

(01:17:34):
that the woman's house I was staying at? And I
send her daughter a text at third block in the morning,
Is yo, mama the Carolyn Hunter in that doc? She said, yes,
Carolyn Hunter. Later Mary kenn Williams, y'all, the Congression of

(01:18:02):
Black Caucus wasn't even aware of these books. It was
the Polaroid Revolutionary workers who told the Black Caucus about
what they're doing. Ron Dellam's and John Kanye's and others
listen to these folk tell them about this, and that's

(01:18:24):
how the divestment movement actually started. Because two black people
at Polaroid said, now we can't have this. So you
got some negroes standing firm. Well, that's right, that's right.
Crime is up in DC and this is not bad

(01:18:44):
what Trump is doing. So you've got the mayor of
DC announce that she's gonna participate with ICE. I need
somebody explaining to me howing to hell Milly balles and
got her ass on a place in the fire Months vineyard.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
In the middle of this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
See some of y'all are sitting here like, well man,
it's it's just law enforcement, military on the streets keeping
them safe. But the point Greg just made. If y'all
think they're setting up roadblocks forcing folks to show ID,

(01:19:28):
this literally, this literally sounds and smells like apart tied
in South Africa and recent was a whole bunch of
Negroes who told us there's a whole bunch of FBA
B one eight dollars folks. This ain't gonna impact us.
They ain't coming after us. They coming after them. They

(01:19:51):
gonna deport them, They're gonna send them out. These white
nationalists are making black folks show their ID in our
cities and our states and in this country. And it's
amazing recy for all those loud miles have gone. So

(01:20:11):
when we're talking about this, we are trying to get
Black America to understand that there is a bull's eye
on the back, on front, on the forehead, on the
back of the head, on the side of the head
of every black person in this country, whether you have

(01:20:34):
means or not. And they have no problem saying they
are going to pass laws and restrictions to subjugate us
as best as they can. They may not be able
to put us in shackles as they did for two
hundred and forty three years, but they damn sure want
to put invisible shackles on Black America.

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
How many times do we say citizenship was on the ballot?
How many times did we say the things that we
saw happening in Texas and other states around this issue
of immigration that eventually disbelieved to black people having to
walk around with our papers. A week before Donald Trump
activated the National Guard in DC, they were doing checkpoints

(01:21:22):
on Benning Road at about ten locations throughout DC where
any car going through was stopped by federal law enforcement.
We saw video today of people who are driving or
not driving, but riding bikes DoorDash delivery riders Uber eats
being stopped and then detained by ICE. I saw a

(01:21:46):
video of the cops. Now this was the Metropolitan PD,
who has never been known to be benevolent towards black people,
let alone bringing in a damn National Guard asking somebody
who was sitting on their own property for ID and asked,
did you was there any complaints around here? No, we
are living in this situation where black people, to your

(01:22:08):
exactly as you said, Roland, we are in the bulls eye.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
And we saw this coming.

Speaker 13 (01:22:15):
They said they were gonna do it. They started off
with the with the migrants. They rounded so many of
them up. Now they got to do this massive carceration
and Donald Trump said, stay where you are, criminals were
gonna come and get you. Who does it think the
criminals are black people. I'm just gonna talk about us.
That's that's what the show was about. So if you
have outstanding warrants, if you had bad mouth, what if

(01:22:39):
you got a bench warrant, if you're gonna unpaid pocket tickets,
you can't run and you can't hide no more because
now you have all these people activated for the sole
purpose of fucking with black people. And people started to
say when this happened, Well, you know these badass kids

(01:22:59):
hey out there cars taking So then why is it
that Howard University students and faculty and visitors are being
advised to walk around with their IDs. This has never
been about actually fighting crime. This has, for fuck shore,
never been about keeping black people safer. This is about
dismantling every ounce of progress that we've made in this country,

(01:23:23):
which hasn't been a whole lot, but it was enough
for most for many people to not be complaining and
to set out time and time again when we beg
all the time I've been on here, and I've been
on here since twenty nineteen Roland. Every episode we beg
black folks to vote, vote your capacity. The unregistered motherfuckers,
you are lost cause. But even if the people who

(01:23:44):
are already registered voted, we have the capacity on our
own to make the difference. And no, it's not only
our responsibility, but this is life or death for us,
so everything is at stake. Unfortunately, we can't combat this
in the next ten days, one hundred days. This is
a long term fight. We got to try to rack
up someones, we got to turn the tide. But we

(01:24:06):
have to recognize that This is a much bigger threat
and a much bigger fight than it had.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
To be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Greg For the people who don't understand Howard University exists
by a federal charter. Donald Trump could literally put ICE agents,
FBI agents, and the military on how What University's campus,

(01:24:37):
and in Red States, he could literally put the National
Guard on HBCU campuses. And the Republican governors are gonna
let them do it. See all these black folks need
to see. They don't understand. They don't understand what we
are dealing with. They don't understand. You are dealing with

(01:25:01):
an individual and the twice impeached, crimly convicted felon con
man in chief, Donald Trump, who has no morals, no values,
no principles, no ethics, no integrity, no decency, and no honor.

(01:25:22):
And a Republican party that doesn't care, including the help
such as Tim Scott Burgess, Owens Byron Donald's Wesley Hunt,
that Jones dude, who somebody told me is an Alpha
out of Michigan. They don't give a damn and they're

(01:25:43):
not gonna say a word.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
No, no, they're not going to stop. Neither are we.
This is the history that gets buried far too often.
We're not going to stop. Yes, just about everything Donald
Trump has done, it's illegal. Ultimately, I think the courts

(01:26:17):
are going to find that the majority of things Trump
has done are illegal. But that's not the point right now,
The point is to do it. This is the strategy
of the miserable, little nasty piece of work Russell vote yep.
You throw everything out there, and you force the institutions

(01:26:38):
to respond. Right now. This is the point. They're terrified,
these white nationalists because this is the death bleat of
white nationalism. So in their desperation they've thrown caution to
the wind and any notion of the rule of laud
of wind. You're you're absolutely right, of course about Donald Trump.
Donald Trump doesn't even have a sense of concept of
the rule of Donald Trump has one of one objective

(01:26:59):
only in this He's is with his friend BP Yahoo
and help to stay out of jail. That is the
only that's the number one strategy, of course to change.
Number two is trying to make some money, and so
so far he's been good on both fronts. But when
it comes to the overplaying their hands by white nationalists,

(01:27:21):
like to people in Congress and others, they are now
moving to a point where two things are going to happen. Nuber,
One of the courts are going to declare a great
deal and a lot of this illegal, like occupying college
campuses with the National Guard, like declaring states of emergency
with no true authorizing principle and any of the statutes

(01:27:41):
that they claim allow them to do it, and so forth.
But the other thing that's going to happen, the other
thing that's already begin to happen, is that people regular
rank and file, people who are not political, who are
not up to date on the news and not aware
of all the issues at state, will nevertheless begin to
push back. We're beginning to see in Chicago and New York.
We'll see it in Washington, DC as well. So then

(01:28:04):
what you end up seeing is in their desperation, these
white nationalists have given us a roadmap to the very
institutions that we have to now surround and use to
fight back. It's one thing to try to extort Colombia
and they escape extortion. To try to extort Brown University,

(01:28:24):
and they escape extortion but paying a little bit of money.
But then when you turn around and call yourself going
to extort Harvard out of a five hundred million dollars
out of half a billion dollars and try to force
them into putting some programs in place that mirror your
vocational education view of the world. Now, what you're doing,
generally is trying to attack higher education. Howard University does

(01:28:46):
have a federal charter, It and Galadat University being the
two that have them. Their chief interface is with the
United States Congress. But in a moment when the United
States Congress has been rendered supplicate hint by pliant GOP
congress people, that endangers Howard, that endangers got You, deb

(01:29:09):
that endangers all institutions that receive federal financial aid, for sure.
But the pushback then to be we elevate ability to
understand and explain what's going on, We force federal Thudward,
we intensify our protests, intensify our solidarity and support, and

(01:29:31):
thereby reveal finally the weak points in white nationalism. A
great deal of white nationalism is illusion. You're deploying eight
hundred federal troops, federalized National Guard troops in Washington, d C.
To take pictures to try to communicate somehow that you've
got muscle that you don't woe be the day that

(01:29:52):
these punk ass, fake courage punks with their face masks
up roll into West Philly or the Bronx roll into
South la or the South Side Chicago and touch the
right one. Now, of course, people say, well, then he's
gonna deploy the military. Well yeah, but that little cock
rooster Pete he saith with all his little onward Christian

(01:30:13):
soldier thugs that he's trying to put in place in
senior management and then try to recruit an army of crusaders. Well,
you're not gonna be do. You're not gonna be able
to do that quickly enough to displace the rank and
firewomen and men who serve in the military who you're
gonna try to then deputize to turn loose on the
streets against their cousins and mothers men. People think, well,
they won't buck back, they won't fight orders. These white

(01:30:35):
nationalists have to be very careful because when they over
their hand, what they're going to realize is the muscle
trying to projector of the rest of us that they have.
They don't have that muscle. I'm not saying that I
know what's gonna happen next. But I know the history
has shown us that when fashion their hand, the pushback
generally leads to a better society than existed before they

(01:30:59):
overplayed their hand. We just got a state of course
and continue to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Recie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
One of the reasons why people need to understand why
Donald Trump is so desperate to hold into the House.
It's not just because they can run their game plan
for bills. It's the House that certifies the election. See,

(01:31:28):
we we already know what they're setting up rec right now.
They are asking for the voter data of numerous states.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
And they want to know all the data.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
They are setting this thing up to where they can
control the certification of the election, and in the case
of a tie, the House decides who wins the presidency.
Folks got to understand the long game. There has a
reason why they are desperate. They ain't talking about, man,

(01:32:02):
we gotta make sure we keep the Senate. No, they're like,
I need to change them. Charlie Kirk would put a
tweet out blasting the Indiana Governor and the Speaker of the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
House because they won't redistrict there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
They are trying to grab every seat that they can
because they fear Donald Trump's economic policies are going to
cause them to lose, and they're like, man, can we
guarantee five in Texas, in Indiana and Missouri and some
in Florida and Ohio. They are trying to find ten, twelve,
fifteen seats because they think they gonna lose at least

(01:32:37):
fifteen next November.

Speaker 13 (01:32:41):
And they normally would absolutely, I mean, the results are
already fucked up. I mean, look at what's happening with inflation.
Look at the jobs reports. Now they're gonna not even
report the jobs which, by the way, the new statistician
is a J sixer, Okay, So they already know that
when people feel like this government shit ain't working out

(01:33:03):
for them. Donald Trump got his ass was booted last time,
and the Republicans were booted last time. So they know
that there are normally consequences for bad policies like what
this bill is a big, ugly bill and twenty twenty
six buses. The question is does their version of the
world exists in which they think that they can jerry

(01:33:26):
mander and they can count on like leos to stick
with them despite the fact that they folks, I know
they're not monolithic, but that nineteens are getting their in
word record called they're getting racial profiles.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
The and the good ones.

Speaker 13 (01:33:40):
It's fine of the ass the tambine dying, see you lator,
or or mistakenly deported, or entertainment camps dying. They're banking
at them. Latinos are still going to be like, well,
I'm still close enough to whiteness where I'm gonna stick
with the Republicans. Or does the world in which doctor
Carr bless you, doctor God. I'll hope you write that

(01:34:03):
this comes to a head to whatther you're talking about?
Which one exists? That's the question I don't have the
answer to. So far, the evidence has pointed to the
world that Republicans believe that we live in where disinformation
and jerrymandering will solidify their rule long enough to keep
cheating nine and stilling the stay in power. I genuinely

(01:34:25):
don't know which one it is. But what I do
know is that these policies are so bad that it's
going to be incapable for the vast majority of Americans.
And there are going to be ten millions of more
people who have some kind of incentive life or death
incentive to get out there and vote. The question is
whether they do it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
And that's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Greg. And they they want us, they want black people
to be so frustrated, so upset, have so much discontent
and so much anger that we don't vote. They want
us turning. And see when I call out black state reps,
I'm actually trying to call them up. I ain't trying
to call them out. I'm trying to call them up.

(01:35:08):
I'm trying to fortify them. Because what I need them
to understand. When they fight, folks say, oh, you're fighting
for us now, then they say, how can I get
in the fight. But when people see folks capitulate, then
their shoulder slump. See, folks don't mind losing a fight

(01:35:31):
when you fight back, but people hate Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
It's to see you lose a fight and you never
swung one time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
That's right, Broland, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
Brother. As you know, as you walk through history consistently,
as we think about these historical moments, the patterns are clear.
The patterns are clear. You know, we were talking you
and I a couple of days ago, a word coming
from Kentucky about the death of Rockman Ali, the brother,
the only brother of Muhammad Ali in the family is

(01:36:09):
trying to raise money to pay for the funeral. It's
really not not a good situation. But Muhammad Ali comes
to a man who was vilified, a man who was
hated in America, but a man who was loved by
black people. It's not coincidental that Muhammad Ali, who was
in the nature of Islam and then wasn't in the
nation but remained hated. Man of principal charismatic, a winner

(01:36:31):
in all levels, an athlete, that he rose to prominence
at a time when the civil rights movement, in the
black power movement was at its peak in the mid
to late sixties and through the nineteen seventies, at a
time when black movies and black black entertainment, whether it
be music, whether it be films, even comedies like Piece

(01:36:51):
of the Action Let's Do It Again, certainly projected a
pro black, pro black message derisively and true factually as
far as our concerned, called black exploitation films. Well, you know,
what these convergences of popcorn politics understand is that, you know,

(01:37:12):
let's just say, and I'm not saying that this will happen,
because I doubt that it will, but imagine if Meg
out of Houston or Beyonce out of Houston made the
call that you just made tonight and told the legislators
to stay strong. I'm not saying that it would change
the decision of some of the legislatures who may return,
but I am saying that it would send a message

(01:37:32):
and people might look at it different, a little bit,
a little bit different than it. I think that in
an age of heroic age, symbols do matter. The governor
of Maryland, for example, has said, you're not coming to
Maryland and federalizing the National Guard with my permission, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
And guess what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Hello, hold hold on, hold on, guess what happened? Greg, Greg, Greg,
hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I know that's a delay, Greg, hold on, that's delay there,
So hold on and guess what happened today? Was going
off in the Oval office on Governor Wes Moore, because
Wes Moore went on Fox News, he went on CNN,
he went everywhere and he said, unlike you, I put
the uniform on and then he's coming out, Oh, he's
not qualified to be pots because he's scared of that

(01:38:17):
black man.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Grig go ahead, yes, no, no, But Marlin we're talking
the same talk. Brother. I love what Gavin Newsom is
doing and trolling them, including now doing the all caps
roasting them and social media. But when you see black
women and men doing he hates Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Some of this is get her out of Kindred Central.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
See the governors now, I'm not just talking about Pritzker,
and yeah, I'm talking about what Wes Moore did exactly
and the mayors you see, but I'm dot Eye wins
this race in New York. Donald Trump, well, I don't
know what can happen to him physiologic because these Clinton
not only is he mentally he is so steadily deterring

(01:39:03):
at this point that he may not make it to
the enough to have some physicological reaction to a Mom
Donnie victory, but care the illusion in government over the
rest of the president is a king, which is what
Russell Volte believes. The reality begins to emerge that at

(01:39:24):
the state and local level people hold considerable power. California
can contract and make deals with foreign governments. They have
huge billions of dollars of pension funds. If enough, or
even if one or two of these key state and
local level leaders exercises their authority and does it with

(01:39:47):
the type of public facing panache, charm, kind of captivating
presence that Muhammad Ali had in boxing or Meg the
Stallion has in hip hop. But do it politically like
a Wesmore or a governor of New South California that
has the potential to gavanize people in a way that

(01:40:08):
could translate into some sense of finally, somebody's fighting now
I will get off the bench. So I think in
some ways that leads to, if not hope, that leads
to the signal that nothing is ever written its own
in history, and the things can change on a dime
with something that people may not have anticipated. And I

(01:40:29):
think that again is where we are right now. Somebody
in is more than somebody needs to step up, and
when they do, we can see these political wins shift
very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
To the point Greg just made there. I don't know
if many of y'all realize that we hit Adrian Shropshire
on this show, and she told us about Black Packs Pole,
and she let us slip that in Black Packs Pole
that Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's approval rating among black people is

(01:41:00):
on the same level as Obama Now, they didn't want
to start no mess, so they didn't release that slide
because see that slide would have embarrassed a whole bunch
of other black politicians who think that they or the
bomb dot com and they really not. But it did slip,

(01:41:24):
and see, to Gregg's point, that's what Trump's afraid of.
See recent made the point early about representing Jelanna Jones. See,
black folks are responding to fighters because that's our way history.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Yes, Robert Smalls fighter representative white fighter. How to be
we ees Bart that fighter?

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
I mean we can walk through Mark Delaney fighter, didn't
Mark VC fighter.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Oh y'all gonna burn Mother Emmanuel down.

Speaker 8 (01:42:03):
Damn that we.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Gonna rebuild it. Oh y'all gonna burn Greenwood down. Yeah,
we about to rebuild this. See that's what they're afraid of.
But I need the folk watching to understand they're not
afraid of weak in meek. Donald Trump in two thy

(01:42:26):
seventeen stood up and said to black people, thank you,
thank you for not voting. That should have set the
blood boiling of every single black person in this country
because the man was saying, y'all lazy ass bums who

(01:42:47):
didn't vote oh, I appreciate y'all for staying at home.
He insulted the ancestors by doing it. And see, I
know there's some people who's sitting here saying, Oh that Gavin,
that Gavin K. Newsome, He too slick, you know, he too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
He ain't got no shot. But he dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
He had news conference today and they dropped this ad
right here. And I'm with one hundred per roll it.

Speaker 16 (01:43:31):
It is a five alarm fire for democracy in the
United States of America. Donald Trump, who's trying to light
a torch on democracy, continue to try to rig the election.
His agenda's failing, his presidency is failing. He knows the
headwinds in a midterm.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Now he's dialing up for seats.

Speaker 16 (01:43:50):
He called Greg Abbott, who doesn't have the courage, doesn't
have the conscience, and he has rolled over him and
he said, yes, sir, And so we have got a
step up, tried to play by a higher set of
standards and rules with our independent redistrict team, and we
believe in that. We are talking about emergency measures to
respond to what's happening in Texas, and we will nullify what.

Speaker 8 (01:44:12):
Happens in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
We will pick up five seats with the consent of
the people.

Speaker 16 (01:44:16):
And that's the difference between the approach we're taking and
the approach they're taking. There are no rules for Donald
Trump and this is a serious moment in American history,
and so we are here to meet this moment head on.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
We will not be complicit. See that's how you got
to respond.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
That's how.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
See, you got to let them know you want to
swing Recie, let's swing better up.

Speaker 13 (01:44:52):
I know that's right. Look, ILL support this version of Gavenusom.
I didn't support him sitting down with trying to kurcancon
r and all them other people. But he got with
the program. He realized, Okay, this is a different ball
game that we're dealing with.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
It is not going to be.

Speaker 13 (01:45:08):
Winning over the Magalyites. They are are lost cauts. And
so I'll tip my head, I give credit what creditors due,
I'll tip my heat what Governor Newsomb was doing. He's
he's out there trying to move the needle because the
polling right now is not on his side when it
comes to this independent commission. But unlike what Democrats normally do,
will is be like a little posts say that they're
not with it. What the focus groups say, they're not

(01:45:29):
with it, Let's just change course. He's like, no, we're
going to change minds. Republicans do that all the time.
And that's about damn time that Democrats are figuring out
that you got to start changing some minds from Democrats.
Fuck the MAGA people. Get the Democrats to be like, look,
the Republicans don't get out of seats. We need to
get out of seats. We can over here. So this

(01:45:49):
is exactly what we need to be doing. And I'm
glad to see that he's not just saying, well, we
have an independent commission, what can we do? Governor Kathi
Hochele is saying the same thing, like, look, we our constitution,
maybe we've got to change that shit. Well, we already
Jerry mattered here in Maryland, so it ain't really too
much for Governor more to do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
But no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
You can pick up one or two in Maryland.

Speaker 13 (01:46:12):
Okay, yeah, we can pick up one or two. But
I'm just saying that. I was going to say that
what he what else he's doing is he's pushing back
on this whole National Guard activation as so many people
in the mainstream media are trying to normalize, well, what
is the problem. We're bringing out people just to patrol
us blue, some white progressives, including white progressives and the

(01:46:33):
black conservatives or whoever those situation may be. And so
we're seeing Democrats finally waking up to the fact that
you have to win the narrative war. You have to
push back, you have to activate the different levers that
we have where we are in power to try to
counter some of this stuff. But Roland, one point I
did want to want to ask you about is, you know,
we talk so much about fighting and blood, sweating, tears,

(01:46:56):
and yet we see that Republicans get these games without
busting the gray. They fund think tanks, they fund all
kinds of packs, they fund universities, they fund every kind
of organization under the sun. They lay out the plan,
they stay on message, they execute. I'm curious to see

(01:47:20):
as the great work that you do here.

Speaker 16 (01:47:23):
You have the.

Speaker 13 (01:47:24):
Statistics in terms of how you've moved up in the
YouTube brankings. I think you're top is the top fifty, top.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
Top forty.

Speaker 13 (01:47:32):
Okay, where have you seen him?

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:47:35):
Tell us no, okay, because I was gonna say the
problem is on our side. We always got to do
shit the hard way, as opposed to people being willing
to invest in those that have credibility, those that already
have an infrastructure, which Black Star Network does, and invest
in these apparatuses.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Nope, Nope, I figured, but I figured I would.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Now I've had a couple of people text, Hey, what
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Right, and see, here's the crazy here's the crazy thing
that just trips me out when you talk about that
YouTube list go through.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
It ain't no other.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Of the black people on the list is one black
conserver due and I think I frankly, first of all,
I think his numbers are bullshit, I straight up, because
you can't tell me you got an eight total of
eight hundred and five videos on YouTube. We got twenty
three thousand videos on YouTube. And then you're in the

(01:48:42):
top forty and you only have fifteen thousand Instagram followers,
you only have ten thousand Twitter followers, and you only
have one hundred thousand TikTok followers, but you in the
top thirty on YouTube. Yeah, I ain't buying them numbers.
That sounds like some Carlos watching shit to me. But
that's another story.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
But to your point, and I ain't gonna say that.
I ain't gonna I ain't gonna say the name.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
But you got one billionaire, multi billionaire progressive and a
staffer said, they scared, Yeah, she got you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
I love I love, I love watching the show Billions.

Speaker 13 (01:49:30):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
And I was rewatching the other day. Now went back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
I don't know why I decided to just I don't
know why I decided to go back and just ship
watch the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Of Billions, and I said, I said the damn I said,
And I forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
I literally forgot why Bobby axel Rod and uh the
US attorney, I forgot why they clashed and so like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
In the first two episodes, Bobby.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
The billionaire was gonna buy an eighty million dollar house
on the beach, and the US attorney said, how does
bad's gonna look at?

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Told don't you buy the house? And then they went
to Bobby and said, Bobby, he.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Ain't gonna look good at you buying the house. You
should buy the house. And did. Bobby decided he wasn't
gonna buy the house, and then the US attorney played
by Paul Jimmy said to him, yeah, don't you buy
that house? And Bobby said, you know, what's the point
of having fucked you money if you never say fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Here's the problem to your point, recing.

Speaker 17 (01:50:39):
The black billionaires, the white billionaires who got four, five, six, seven, eight, ten,
twenty billion.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
They scared of Trump. The only one hawaiin't scared of
Trump is George Soros. And here's the crazy part. George,
the guy who used to be the top investor for
George Soros is Donald Trump's Treasury secretary.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
So George Soros, he don't give a damn about them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
But what you just said, Recie, there's a bunch of
these folks.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
They're scared.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
They're scared. I'm telling you right now. I was at
the Black Women's Expo in Chicago. Massive number of sponsors
who were there last year not there this year. They
came to Mary Green and said, could you take black
out of the Black Women's Expo?

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
And just caught the Women's Expo.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Straight up. Companies are scared. Greg me at the point
earlier Harvard Buckley Donald Trump. Donald Trump said, I am
going to take the power of this art, and I
am going to attack every single institution, and I am
going to bring all of them to heal, and he says,

(01:52:11):
I'm attacked academic, I'm attack media. So Disney settles, CBS settles,
they all settle, and now they're all scared. And I
had and all this is happening, and you're sitting here going, well, damn,
your ass got five billion dollars, you got ten billion dollars,
you got twenty billion dollars, and you scared.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
And that's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
And after all that talk recee about oh, how we
need to fund the infrastructure, and we got beat this,
that and the other, silence, silence, crickets, crickets.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
And I'm sitting and I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
About I go up all the institutions, labor institutions, all
these other particular groups, and I'm just sitting here saying, okay,
all right, let's see what y'all gonna do for twenty
twenty six. And see, Reesa, I hadn't already made it clear,
I'd have made it clear, Gregg, if y'all think.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
That I'm gonna take a crumb.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
And go this is a great meal, I said, I
will keep I said, I will keep my black ass.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
At home.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
And do the show from the crib. Because of what
you I said, you will not see me extend myself. Oh,
I have an entire game plan. I have a whole
game plan on how we can broadcast all across the country.
There are four people right now who I have in
my back pocket who I can hire to host two
daily shows. I know exactly how, I know exactly how

(01:53:48):
much it's gonna cost to pay them. I know exactly
a couple of them. I haven't even approached them yet.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
I already have the exact plan.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
I have a plan in place right now that if
we got a five million LL infusion annually for the
next three years, I will hire forty people.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
I already have the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
But what I'm not going to do is over extend
myself on the possibility of getting a check that's not
gonna happen. That's not how we've remained profitable and kept
our doors open and not had to lay out staff.
But let me be real clear. Oh, we are ready

(01:54:29):
to swing in twenty twenty six. But I've made it
perfectly clear to black folks and white folks. Don't think
you're going to get me to leave this office and
have my staff leave this office. If you are going
to put pennies on the table, Greg, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Will you've just let it out? Brother? I think you
know and it's interesting, and I've said this before. The
day after the twenty sixteen election, when I was still
responsible for the College of Our Sincisses Professiman Seminar at Howard,
we devoted our regular noon to one pm hour whether

(01:55:18):
over one thousand first year students at Howard. We opened
the doors of Cranson Tourum and invited everyone in to
have an open conversation about what had happened. Because this
is a bunch of eighteen nineteen year olds who had
never been through something like this. What I reminded them of,
and what my colleagues reminded them of. We had a
panel of folks talk to them, is that it is

(01:55:39):
in these moments that the heroes appeared out of bell
Wells appeared not at a high point in African experiences
in the United States, but during the nay Dear. This
is the point where you see the heroic figures. Blackstar
Network is not going to bow or buckle. CBS has
destroyed itself. You know this better than I do, brother,

(01:56:01):
because you're a businessman. The concept of goodwill and business
doesn't have a dollar figure attached to the value of
a business. It is the intangible character of the business
that translates into value when you can rely on it.
Ain't nobody checking for CBS. Now what you did to
yourself through sixty minutes look at ABC. It starts with

(01:56:22):
George Stephanopolis and a little bit of payment, and then
it continues and transforward when you call yourself appeasing and
bowing down by what you did to Stephen Colbert CBS.
And then you've got this religious xealatous clown, Brendan Carr,
the FCC, who's not satisfied you got them as you will,
you mentioned at the beginning of the show, trying to

(01:56:42):
swap out the PBS, this right wing online curriculum development business.
At the end of the day, the Black Star network
strength is in its truth telling capacity. As these things
continue worse before they get better, more and more people
will look to those places that they can rely on

(01:57:03):
to tell the truth. Donald Trump was called the best
friend by the person who's a convicted child rapist. He's
my best friend, He's my best friend for ten years.
His henchwoman who participated in these sex crimes has now
been moved to a minimum security prison, and clearly that
they're lining it up for her in exchange for not

(01:57:26):
opening her mouth to walk at some point. But one
thing is clear. If you're going to report this in
some kind of both sideism, some kind of bizarre propping
up of a madman, a convicted felon who fomented the
worst case of violence in the history of Washington, d C.
On January the sixth, twenty twenty one, then you've lost

(01:57:47):
all credibility. You call a spade of spade. You tell
the truth as you see it. You surround yourself with
truth tellers and continue to ply forward. You don't have
to worry about having to do the show from the
career because guess what, that's the thing where people say,
if you touch this one, we've got something for you.
This is a heroic age. And when we back finally,

(01:58:10):
however long that period is in the future, when we
look back, we will see that the Black Star Network
will be among those entities that rose to the occasion.
And that's how you determine how you win. You don't
determine how you win by who doesn't think you can win.
It makes deals you determine who wins by who tells
the truth and who is consistent, and that's how you

(01:58:31):
move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
The other day, a friend of mine out of New York,
prophetess at Nad Johnson Sneed. I was talking to her
and she said, Rowland, let me be clear, touch not
my annointed. She said, when you know what you are doing,
what God's will is, she said, I dare those to
try to come after you, because at touching one of

(01:58:53):
God's annoing to. And see, there are a lot of
our people who are afraid. Off the top of this show,
y'all heard me vigorously push and praud and challenge my
fat brother Ron Reynolds, Chair of Texas, the Cherry Marrit
of Texas, Black Lench later Caucus.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
And see when I was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Speaking about that, now people were asking me. Somebody say, man, man, well,
where this come from? I said, Come from my grandparents,
and come from my mama and daddy. I said, but
it come from ancestors. And see I think about that
certain scene in Selva. Yeah, when Carmendy Joe Goo playing
credit Scot King was preparing to meet with Malcolm X

(01:59:38):
and she was afraid.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
And then Lorraine Toussaint.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Who played the woman who called doctor King to come
to Selva.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
Amelia Boynton when she had some words for her.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
And we're gonna end the show with this because see,
I need every single one of y'all watching to listen
to these words that Ava du Verne wrote in that movie.
And she should have forced the hand of that white
writer to say no, it's gonna be a co writing
credit on this movie because he didn't write these words.

(02:00:21):
I need everybody who's scared. I need everybody who's afraid.
I need everybody who's unsure. I need everybody who's like
I don't know, man, I ain't like you, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
I need you to listen to this.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Because these words that was this way before the movie,
but these are the words that resonate in my soul
every single day. It causes me and others to say, no,
I ain't backing down from this fight. I need to
try to.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
Listen to this.

Speaker 18 (02:00:56):
I'll tell you what I know to be true. It
helps me in times when I'm feeling unsure.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
If you'd like, please do it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
It's born so.

Speaker 18 (02:01:08):
I know that we are descendants of a mighty people
who gave civilization to the world. People who survived the
hulls of slave ships across vast oceans.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
People who innovate and create.

Speaker 18 (02:01:23):
And love despite precious and tortuous, unimaginable.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
They are in our blood stream, pumping our hearts every second.
They've prepared you.

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
You are already prepared.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Oh that's it right there, reci We are already prepared
for this fight. Your final comment and Great's final comment.

Speaker 13 (02:01:52):
That's it. We are prepared. But what we gonna do
about it?

Speaker 8 (02:01:56):
That's the question.

Speaker 13 (02:01:57):
That's the question that everybody's banking on being nothing. Let's
prove them wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Greg com it does lie from Egypt.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
I echo rolling and that's why I'm here. That's why
I'm here with about one hundred and thirty people from
all over the United States and from the continent of Africa.
The shout out to my man yok Breaker, So may
one of the if not the baddest egypt child just
in on the African continent, who's come to us from Kenya.
We're here for the very reason that we just heard
of the Rani's son portrayed the Great a million boy

(02:02:33):
and Robinson what she said. We are the descendants of
the people who gave the world civilization. In fact, we
are the descendans from the people who gave the world. People,
the first people. Every person who ever walks this earth,
no matter how crazy they have become, you came from
the womb of an African woman. If you trace it
back far enough, This is light work. What we're facing

(02:02:54):
right now doesn't mean it's not lethal. It doesn't mean
it's not dangerous, doesn't mean that it won't be easy,
but it does mean that we've seen much worse, and
that the worst that we've seen is in recent memory
and recent history. All we have to do is remember,
as Marcus Garvey said, what people have done people can do,

(02:03:16):
and remember that your people are the people that made
people possible, that created everything, that laid the foundation for
everything that will ever be on this little ball we
call earth, and that we can make the changes necessary
to transform the society we live in. We've done it before,

(02:03:38):
and we can and will do it again.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Folks, y'all have heard me on this show often reference
my parents and the work that they did, and you've
heard me talk about that earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
I was in a chat. We were having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
And I was saying to them repeatedly, why this is
personal to me? What did I say earlier? I'm fifty

(02:04:35):
six years old, fifty seven in November seven, eight, nine,
ten twelve, standing outside of election polls at the Clinton
Park Recreation Center, handing out campaign material for whoever was
running whom my mom and Daddy told us were going.

Speaker 1 (02:04:56):
To hand stuff out for.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
I remember when my mama on was the three citywide
co chairs of the Metropolitan Organization, a multi faith organization
in Houston, and I remember being on the bus with
her going to the Austin and State Capitol for a
rally on a Saturday. I remember.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
A mayoral debate.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
The gymnasum of a Catholic church, and Mama's on stage
with the two mayoral candiates and the asking questions of
the being asking questions that I'm in the back doing homework.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
See.

Speaker 2 (02:05:36):
I remember being at home with my brother and my
three sisters, and Mama and Daddy were coming home late
because they were running phone banks. I remember being a

(02:05:59):
child and being careful about getting splinters in our hands
from unloading campaign signs in the back of a wagon.
So I need you to understand that for me, this

(02:06:23):
battle is not about what makes me feel good or
what makes my brother my sister feel good. I need
black people to understand that whether we are in Texas
or North Carolina or Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi or

(02:06:44):
Arkansas or Louisiana or Illinois or Missouri or Michigan or
Wisconsin or California, in any of these states, that literally
what we are doing right now has an impact on
a black child that has yet to be born. So

(02:07:05):
when the Polaroid Revolutionary workers, when they were fighting against apartheid, y'all,
I was two, and it wasn't until I was in
college when Nelson Mandela got released, these folks lost jobs.

(02:07:30):
And when we're sitting here right now talking about planning
our next trip to Martha's Vineyard, going to kans in the.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
South of France, talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:07:49):
What our plans are for homecoming at HBCS, I ain't
got nothing against none of us having any fun whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
But I taken back to.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
What the Hairbella funtie said when I sat with him
that he thought was gonna be one of his. He
literally said to me, this is he said, the reason
I made it here. I didn't want to come, he said,
because this is likely gonna be my final interview.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
He didn't pass for several more years, but he actually
thought it was because when it was over we were
talking privately. He said to me, Roland, I love the
South of France, he said, for the reason I'm still here,
because I am here to fight to make real what
they put on paper, because this is also ours, and

(02:08:35):
so I don't give a damn if those fashions are
two blocks from right here. Somebody said to me, man,
ain't you scared of them? Mac of people, I said,
were two blocks away to know where we at. When
I think back to that picture that sister, when they

(02:08:55):
had them bayonets and she just moved that biging out
the way, there's got to be something that black folks
today give a damn about that is so real, that
it's so potent, that is so powerful that they say,

(02:09:15):
you know what, I got to block all that crap
out because I got to fight for somebody I don't
even know. I am a student of history, and I'm
telling y'all what we are looking at right now. It's
no different than what happened after reconstruction in eighteen seventy seven.

(02:09:45):
Don't take my word for it. Go do the work.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
Go look at how they invalidated.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
The civil rights law passed in eighteen sixties, in the
one in eighteen seventies. Go back and understand places vers Ferguson.
Go back and understand the black laws. Go back and
understand what took place. Go back and understand that eighteen
ninety constitutional convention in Mississippi where they said, oh no,
it's too many niggas getting elected. Go back to understand

(02:10:20):
when black people were a majority of the South Carolina legislature.
Go back and look at what happened in Wilment to
North Carolina when white fascists, not the KKK, but the

(02:10:40):
Red Shirts, when they said we are going to overthrow
a democratically elected government and they ran those black people
out of that city. There is a direct connection between

(02:11:04):
what happened then to what happens now and when they
say let's make America great again. That is what they're
talking about. They're talking about what happened in Wilmington. They're
talking about what happened when they burn and bomb Tulsa.

(02:11:24):
They're talking about when they bombed Ida. B Wells Barnett
newspaper and put a bounty on her head. They're talking
about every single They call them race war, but it
was actually a white supremacist war against our people. This
is not the moment for us to check out.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
This is not the moment for us to rest. This
is not the moment for us to be unwilling to challenge.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
This is the absolute moment when people have to be
willing to mobilize and or organized and be willing to
stand up to these races because it's more of us
of conscious than them. But they taken advantage of too

(02:12:14):
many of us feeling deflated and defeat. It that this moment,
you've got to make a decision which side your ass
go to be on. And if you are unwilling to
engage in this battle, I have one simple request. Get

(02:12:37):
your ass out of the way so we don't have
to run you over, because we are not satisfied with
what is happening right now. And I be damned, as
long as there is breath in my mama and my

(02:12:58):
daddy's body, and my body and other people of conscience,
we're gonna fight these folk.

Speaker 1 (02:13:07):
To the end, and we will haunt they ass and death.

Speaker 2 (02:13:16):
Greg, thanks for joining us in Egypt, Recie, thanks for
joining us as well. Folks, your support for this show
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(02:13:37):
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Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
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Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
I know we're sent in July twenty fourth, but I
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us two months to process them, because y'all, it's a
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September fourth, we'll celebrate seven years. You heard recy asked
the question, and yeah, we don't have billionaires and millionaires

(02:14:13):
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