Trump Accuses Obama of Treason, MLK Files Released, Warner Tribute & Mrs. Pruitt’s Gourmet Cha Cha

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Marte, folks, And there's two did You Lie? Twenty second

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twenty twenty five coming up on Roland Martin Unfultuate streaming
live for the Blackstar Network. I'm live here the National
Press Club here in Washington, d C. Robbie talking to
several black journalists in just a moment, folks. Twice in
criminally convicted com Man Donald Trump literally is attacking for
President Barack Obama, saying he committed treason when it came

(00:59):
to Russian interference in the twenty sixteen president's election. Obama
has now responded to that. Will show you what that
idiot Trump had to say, plus Obama's response. Also on
today's show, lots to talk about when it comes to
Republicans in the hypocrisy, A California Congressman is blasting California
Governor Gavin Newsom say over the issue of Jared Mandering,

(01:22):
but that same Republican was mighty quiet, and his quiet
Republicans have jered mandered in Wisconsin, North Carolina, Texas and
other places. Wait until we show you that. Plus more
people outpouring of love and support in the wake of
the death of Malcolm Jamal Warner will show you more
of that as well. Plus the King family responds to

(01:43):
Trump releasing thousands of pages related to the assassination the
Reverend doctor mar the King Junior, which is really all
about Jeffrey Epstein. And speaking of that, House Speaker Mike
Johnson literally sent the house home early so they would
not have to vote on democratic resolutions regarding releasing the
Epstein files. Lots to breakdown. It's time to bring the

(02:05):
funk a rolling on filch the Blackstard Network. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
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Speaker 3 (02:14):
He's got Scoo, the fact, the fine.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Now wait to please, He's right on top. It is rolling.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Best believe he's.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Going putting it out from Loston news to politics with entertainment.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Just bookcase.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's strolling.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's it's rolling, Monte.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah, he's brok hes Brest.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
She's real.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Good question, No, he's rolling, Monte.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
Marte.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Folks, an idiot was talking in the Oval office today,
and that is Donald Trump. He literally attacked former President
Barack Obama, saying he committed treason as related to the
Russian interference of the two twenty sixteen presidential election. Now
Tocy Gabbrin, who leads the office CRAL Director of Intelligence,
whatever the hell or title is. She issued this so

(03:26):
called explosive report detailing how it was all made up.
That's a lie. Her report is literally a lie. The
Republicans released their own report, ben Senator Marco Rubio, Trump
Secretary of State, was on that committee when they released
the same report. Well, listen to what this fool Trump
said today after what they did to.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Me, and whether it's right or wrong, it's time to
go after people. Obama's been caught directly, so people say, oh,
you know a group. It's not a good it's Obama.
His orders are on the paper. The paper was a sign.
The papers came right out of their office. They sent
everything to be highly classified. Well, the highly classified it's

(04:06):
been released, and what they did in twenty sixteen and
in twenty twenty is very criminal. It's criminal at the
highest level. So that's really the things you should be
talking about. I know nothing about the other but I
think it's appropriate that they do go.

Speaker 8 (04:22):
I asked you about that. As president Tulci Gabbert has
submitted a criminal referral to the Department of Justice. From
your perspective, who should the DOJ target as part of
their investigation what specific figures in the Obama administration.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
Well, based on what I read, and I read pretty
much what you read, it would be President Obama. He
started it, and Biden was there with him, and Komy
was there, and Clapper, the whole group was there, Brennan.
They were all there in.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
A room right here.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
This is the room.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
This is much more beautiful than it was then. But
that's okay.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Nice pictures up. They came out of the vaults. They
were there for a hundred years. This is much more beautiful.
We have the Declaration of Independence now in the room,
which wasn't here. I guess people didn't feel too good
about putting it here, but I do. But you know what,
if you look at that those papers, they have a
stone cold and it was President Obama.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It wasn't lots of people all over the place.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
It was them too.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
But the leader of the gang.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
Was President Obama.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Barack Hussein Obama.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Have you heard of him?

Speaker 7 (05:32):
And except for the fact that he gets shielded by
the press for his entire life, that's the one they.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Look.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
He's guilty.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's not a question, you know.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
I like to say, let's give it time.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's there.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
He's guilty.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
This was treason, This was every word you can think of.
They tried to steal the election, they tried to obfuscate
the election. They did things nobody's ever even imagined, even
in other countries.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Guys, that's an idiot. That's literally an idiot. You saw
talking to sit here and say that he committed trees
and that's just dumb. Okay, let's just be real clear.
They are desperately trying to deflect from Jeffrey Epstein. They
can't stand the fact at the right has been going

(06:27):
bonkers over this. So what does Trump do. He comes out,
Oh my gosh, it's all Obama and they did this
to me, and oh, I'm such a victim. It's more
the same crap over and over again, and it's total bs.
Let's bring my pan. I stop for Santiago A. Lee,
former Senior Advisor for Environmental Justice the EP out of DC.
Doctor Abs Jones de Weaver, author of How Exceptional Black

(06:49):
Women Lead, Unlocking the Secrets to creating phenomenal success in
career and life. Co founder and editor in chief of
Max Blacks Media. Michael Brown, former Chair of the DNC
Financial Committee, out of DC. Glad to have all three
of y'all here, folks. Again, it's insane that we literally
are having to talk about this full But it also

(07:10):
goes to show you, Michael, how utterly crazy and derange
the right is, and how he is still mad about
the election when the fact of the matter is the
Republicans released a report that show that was Russian interference.

Speaker 9 (07:30):
Correct.

Speaker 10 (07:31):
Well, first of all, hi, Roland, thanks for having me,
but you mentioned it, you already started off with it.
It's about deflection, and he is good at that. He
floods his zone with all kinds of different conspiracy theories
or stories or anything to get him off the topic,
which is obviously, as you mentioned again the Epstein files.
So he's going to continue to do what he does.

(07:53):
And interestingly enough, the deflection all have to do with
people of color that I see doctor Martin, the King's
papers or reports yesterday. Now he's accusing Obama of something
so of nonsense, by the way, but nonetheless, this is
what he does. He's going to continue to do it.
Even his own base is revolting because they're furious that

(08:15):
they lied about Oh there's so much here, will at
least it when we're back in the White House.

Speaker 9 (08:20):
They haven't done it.

Speaker 10 (08:21):
So I know they like to say promises made, but
it's from my standpoints, promises made, promises broken. We still
have wars going all all across the world. Prices of
food have not gone down like you promised. So now
it's just another thing and this will continue.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It is laughable having to listen to this fool, ABIs
to watch this fool in the Oval office and you've
got the pressure of the Philippines sitting right there, and
he's looking like a dumb ass, embarrassing in the country.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (09:00):
Well, you know, if there's one thing we can count
on him being able to do, it's to look like
a dumbass and embarrass the country that he's a savant
when it comes to that, I will say, with this
specific deflection, absolutely, that's exactly what it is. I do
find it funny though, that he is focusing once again

(09:20):
on Barack Obama. I guess he's thinking, Okay, I know
who my base is.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
They may not like me right.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now, but damn it, they're racist.

Speaker 11 (09:26):
Okay, a whole bunch of them are racist, and I
want to sort of point them in the direction of
Barack Hussein Obama because we know that they hate him. Okay,
he's going to try it. He's going to try it.
The sad situation, though, is you know they are crazies
out there, and you know this is the type of
thing that increases the likelihood of attempts at violence.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So but once again, he doesn't care.

Speaker 11 (09:53):
He doesn't care who he puts in harm's way, he
doesn't care how many lies he has to make up.
He will do whatever he can do to deflect from
the facts that he himself is a sexual predator, and
he was associated with a sexual predator, and he wants
to be able to have his base somehow no longer

(10:15):
pay attention to the fact that he spent years talking
about when he gets in office, he's going to release
the Epstein list, which he now claims doesn't exist. And
so until he makes that makes sense to his own base,
I think it's going to be hard for him to
be able to wrangle from away from this vine that

(10:36):
he's gotten himself in. I don't care how many black
people he throws up as a distraction to try to
get them to turn on the black guy instead of
paying attention to what he's done.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I mean, it's hilarious. I mean, they're just they think
this is going to happen. That's how desperate they are.
And they literally think that this is going to do
the trick. And it's not all right, Your guy's an
idiot and he was the one paling around Epstein, not
anybody else. It was Trump and they can't stand that.

(11:09):
And he's mad the story it won't go away. So
he's like, let's see Obama treason, bring the Redskins back.
I mean, he's trying everything. Hey man, you were the
one who was kicking it with Epstein and the young girls.

Speaker 12 (11:23):
Yeah, without a doubt. You know, first of all, put
some respect on Obama's name, because he at least was
an honorable man.

Speaker 13 (11:29):
He's not a perfect man, but.

Speaker 12 (11:31):
You know, compared between him and Trump, you know, even
people who don't like President Obama, who might be on
the right side of the equation, can see the difference
that exists there. Right now, everybody knows that Trump is
crazy as a bad bug. To quote my auntie when
she describes people who just do stupid stuff and say
stupid stuff just for attention. You know, ts Elliott back in,

(11:56):
I think it was like nineteen thirty six. He had
a poem one time, and it was called distracted by
distractions by distraction, and what he meant by that is
that individuals who don't want you to see their mess,
who don't want you to see all the negative things
that they've done, will continue try to distract you and
take attention away from the.

Speaker 13 (12:15):
Thing that they've done.

Speaker 12 (12:16):
So that's exactly what's going on in this moment. He
is trying to distract folks. He's having a difficult time
because the issues that are in front of him are
very serious. When you talk about someone being a pedophile,
when you talk about someone sex trafficking, you know, most
people in this country find that abhorrent. And they also
want to know who was on the list. So no

(12:38):
matter what he does, no matter what he throws up
against the wall and expects to stick, even blame it
on the black guy.

Speaker 13 (12:44):
Which has always been part of their playbook, it's.

Speaker 12 (12:46):
Not going to work this time because people want to
know who was on the list and who's still walking
around out there who hurt young girls and women.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Absolutely, we're going to go to break, We come back
a wait to show y'all what a house speaker Mike
Johnson did. They are so scared to death of this
issue that Johnson said, you know what, I'm just going
to send y'all home early for the summer break because
we don't want to vote on the democrats amendments about
releasing the Epstein files. That's how definitely afraid they are

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Speaker 1 (15:03):
Fox. You want to see how scared these Republicans are.
Check this out. House Speaker of Mike Johnson literally sent
the house home early for their summer break. They're going
to be gone until September because they didn't want to
vote on the amendments that Democrats were forcing a vote
on to release the Jeffrey Epstein files. Seriously, they cut

(15:27):
bait and ran. Listen to the so called super Christian
talk about this and why he did it today on
Capitol Hill.

Speaker 20 (15:36):
As you all know, I speak to the President multiple
times a day on a typical day, often always, and
what I know about the President's hard on this is
that he agrees with everything I've said here today. He
wants maximum transparency, but he's also very insistent that we
do not subject people who have been already been victims

(15:58):
of unspeakable crime times to further public scrutiny. And it
would be a very dangerous thing to put those people's
names out, or to do a release of information in
a way that is haphazard where they could be easily unmasked,
and so you have to be very careful about how
you do that. I think we have a moral responsibility
to do that. We have a moral responsibility to expose

(16:19):
the evil of Epstein and everybody was involved in that, absolutely,
and we're resolved to do it. But we also have
an equal moral responsibility to protect the innocent, and that
is that is a fine needle to thread. And we
could all give ourselves easy political cover and come out
and do something in a halp hazard fashion, but I
would not be able to sleep at night because I know,
I know our legal responsibility to understand what the legal

(16:42):
standard is, but more than that, the moral standard. Okay,
so we're going to do this, and we're going to
do it expeditiously, we're going to do it the right way.
What is popular isn't always right, and what is right
isn't always popular. At an eighth grade teacher tell me
that one time, I carried it with him my whole life.
We're going to do the right thing here the people.
At the end, we'll see that we did that in
the right way and on the right timetable.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right thing, at the right timetable. That's hilarious, amis.

Speaker 11 (17:13):
Yeah, it is hilarious, And it is so disingenuous. I mean,
does he think we're idiots? I mean, really, does he
think we're stupid?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
In what planet? What?

Speaker 11 (17:25):
We believe that Trump actually gives a damn about victims?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Like, really, we're supposed to believe.

Speaker 11 (17:31):
He had this conversation with Trump and he told him,
in essence, I want to protect women. The man who
bragged about grabbing women by the genitals cares about that.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, really, this is the.

Speaker 11 (17:46):
Most asinine explanation I have ever heard in my life.
And clearly he's doing this because he knows that they
don't have a leg to stand on when it comes
to this issue, and far be it from him allow
the party to get called out to the fact that
they don't want to bring in any sort of any

(18:09):
sort of specific information that would allow them to determine
what's actually going on here. So, you know, he wants
to make it sound like they're being chivalrous, but we
know who we're talking about. We know exactly the type
of man that Donald Trump is. He has never shown
any sort of moral fortitude when it comes to protecting

(18:32):
women in any way, shape or form. In fact, if anything,
he's only shown himself to be the predator that now
he's protecting by hiding behind this effort to not actually
call anyone to task to find out what's at the
bottom of all this in terms of these Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
So here's what I find to be just hilarious about
all of this. Mustafa is again the super Christian himself.
Mike Johnson, He's, oh, you know, I don't like this,
but they're just scared. And what gets me is, I thought,
this is the Party of family values. Why is it

(19:15):
they're so afraid to release everything they love talking about,
release everything about Russia and the so called hoax. Release
release everything. Nah, nah, No, We're not gonna release everything.
This is like, oh, we need to protect the victims.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
What's the last count?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Mustafa? Twenty two different women have come out publicly and
talked about what happened to them. So what exactly new
names have to be protected?

Speaker 13 (19:41):
There are none that we know of.

Speaker 12 (19:43):
Of course, you know, when the speaker, you know, makes
those ridiculous statements.

Speaker 13 (19:48):
I think about the words of Ida B.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
Wells when she said the way to right wrongs is
to turn the light of truth on them. So if
you seriously about making sure the truth is being told
and that we're addressing these impacts that have happened to
these women and girls, then turn the light on right.
Make sure that you are releasing this information. Here's the
other thing. Roland's really interesting. So they ran on this

(20:10):
particular issue as a part of their platform.

Speaker 13 (20:13):
So if you're running on something.

Speaker 12 (20:15):
That would mean on day one, you should already be
putting together, you know, the elements that are necessary to
move forward, whether it is in the House or the Senate,
or what's going on in the White House. So there's
something that is foul in relationship to.

Speaker 13 (20:30):
What's going on.

Speaker 12 (20:31):
The last thing I'll say, and I'm sure some people
will have something to say about it, and that's all right,
is that we got a whole lot of full Christians
running around faux who don't live up to the values
that the Bible teaches. So you know, they just need
to stop faking the funk. They need to also understand
that this is not going away and that they are
going to have to address it, because it doesn't matter

(20:53):
if you're talking about folks in Appalachia, they talking about this.
They want to know what's going on. Folks down South
want to know what's going on. Folks in the Midwest
want to know what's going on, and folks on the
West Coast want to know what's going on. So no
matter where you go in this country, you are not
going to be able to escape the accountability that folks
are asking for both Democrats, Republicans, and independents.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Michael Obama dead released the statements, saying, out of respect
for the office of the Presidency, our office is not
normally dignified the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of
this White House with response, but these claims are outrageous
enough to merit one. These bizarre allegations are ridiculous. In
a weak attempt at distraction, Michael, here's what Democrats, you
do this is house. Okay, so they come back in September.

(21:39):
If you use to mimics again and then in October,
do it again in November and December, in January and February,
I will completely shut the house down. I would say,
ain't nothing moving until we vote on these amendments. To
piss Mike Johnson off, to piss all the Republicans off
every single month. I just believe the same thing in

(22:01):
the Senate. After Corey Booker to all of them walked
out of the Juiciary Committee, They're going to push through
the nominational email bold you know what I say, do okay,
that's what y'all want to do. Not a problem. Guess
we're going to be going to shut everything down. Democrats
are not. Do not get ahead to me. If they
play nice. This is where you go hardcore and you
hit them with everything agreed completely.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
As you and I have talked about on several occasions,
I'm kind of sick and tired of bringing a knife
to a gunfight, and these folks need to be dealt
with accordingly. And the good thing about these particular amendments
that may come out with the discharge conditions on the
Epstein files is that they do have Republican support.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's really why.

Speaker 10 (22:45):
Speaker Johnson I don't even know why we call him speaker,
because the Congress has completely stepped backwards with their responsibility.
But mister Johnson knows that there are Republicans in those numbers,
because if he knew he had the numbers, he would
have put it up and would fail, and then he
would say, actually, we put it up and the American
people clearly didn't want it.

Speaker 9 (23:04):
It's because of.

Speaker 10 (23:05):
Those Republicans that are and they're strong. Congressman Congressman Massey
is not moving. I think he may even be a
co sponsor of the discharge petition. So mister Johnson is
doing what he's being told to do from sixteen hundred
Pennsvania Avenue, and frankly, that's how he's led the House.
He's always had challenges with his numbers. We know the

(23:25):
margins are thin, but nonetheless he still does and because
everyone when when Elon Must, I think we've all forgotten
he started all this. Now clearly for years it's been
out there, but he really brought it back to the forefront.
And now I think some of those chickens are coming
home to roosts. They started with all these conspiracy theories,
they ran on it, as Mustapa said, and now all

(23:46):
of a sudden they're they're based their constituents, like, okay,
now let me let us see the problem is we
don't know where, you know, who may be involved in
some of those documents. That's what they're protecting, that's whom
mister Johnson's protecting. And we'll have to see what happens.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Obviously after Labor.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Day, absolutely RIGHTO ho tight one second and we come back.
We're going to talk about several different things. One more
folks paying a tribute to Malcolm Jamal Warner. We'll talk
to a couple of actors who knew him well. Next. Also,
a California Republican is just mad and upset that California
Governor Gavin Newsom says that he made Jerry manderin seats

(24:27):
in California. I'm sorry, did I hear the Republicans say
anything when Republicans did it in North Carolina, in Wisconsin,
in Texas and other states? I don't think so. Y'all know.
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Speaker 1 (26:42):
Folks. Officials in Costa Rica say what took place with
Malcolm Jamal warners that they got a distress call that
two men were uh in the water and were struggling.
When the paramedics arrived, UH, they pulled one man out
of the water who was in critical condition, racing to
the hospital. The other man on unfortunately had already died.
That man was Malcolm Jamal Warner. Tributes continue to pour

(27:05):
in as folks all across the country in the world
talk about what he meant, the impact as well. A
couple of people joining us right now who work with them,
who knew him Anddre Whidfield is an actor. Breonna Davis
was an actor, writer and producer. Glad to have both
of them on the show right now. You know Dendre.
So many people obviously grew up with The Cosby Show,

(27:25):
but not just that. There were other shows that Malcolm
Jamal Warner was a part of most recently a show
on CBS as well. And he was a musician and
and and it's it's just amazing when you listen to
all the people talk about what he meant. Uh, And
I said this on yesterday. And I think the reason
it's also hits differently for a lot of people is

(27:47):
that for those of us who are jen x again,
this is somebody who was around the same age, who
folks grew up with, and so it speaks to losing
someone who you literally watched grow up as many of
us were growing up as well.

Speaker 23 (28:04):
Yeah, it's still hard for me to to to even
fathom that that that this has happened. And I guess
it sort of bos boasters this theory that the that
the good ones go too soon. Malcolm was a great

(28:26):
brother and friend. Cosby Show was the first job I
ever had, and so that show, those people became like
a bonus family to me.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
And for many of us who didn't have.

Speaker 23 (28:45):
Solid family structures, the Cosby.

Speaker 9 (28:49):
Show was sort of a.

Speaker 23 (28:52):
Way for you to be raised if you didn't have
a father figure. Cliff Huxtable was a father figure to
you if you didn't to have a solid foundation with
a loving feminine but resilient woman in your life. Then
Claire Huxtable was that to you, and THEO Huxtable was

(29:14):
like the brother to all of us, and it is
just devastating. I shed a lot of tears yesterday even
this morning out at my son's golf tournament. But I
shed tears not just for my own selfish reasons in
my own loss, but the loss of a wife who

(29:37):
he protected from the industry, from the limelight, and then
an eight year old daughter who is you know, as
a daughter, your father is the first love of your life,
and so just being devastated by the fact that she's

(29:58):
lost the first love of her life eight years old,
it's just.

Speaker 9 (30:04):
Devastating.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Point and the point you make there, he purposely did
not reveal his wife and his daughter as well, because
he to your point, he wanted to be extremely private
because to a lot of people in entertainment, they always
talk about their family. He didn't want to do that. Abrianna,
share your relationship with malcaelm Joel Wanner. How far do
they go back?

Speaker 24 (30:27):
Yeah, So I don't want to sit here and say
that I knew him personally really well, but I did
have the opportunity over the last few years to work
with him on the two projects. I worked with him
first during COVID on The Resident, and then I worked
with him a couple of years later on The Wonder Years,
where he played my father. I would both start on

(30:48):
that episode, and during that time, I was still a
student at Stollman College and the young actors, balancing the.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Life of school and.

Speaker 24 (31:00):
In my career. And on both occasions, I just remember
him being so genuine, so humble, so wise, and graceful
and generous, and both womens left lasting imprints on me.
And yeah, he just talked to me a lot about

(31:23):
books and documentaries. I was working on my major in
documentary filmmaking, and we just had a great time working together.
And he was one of those individuals where sometimes in
this industry it's rare to find life. It's rare to
find genuine, humble people who have been in the game
forty plus, fifty plus, sixty plus years, and he was

(31:46):
one of those lights. He was one of those lights,
and he was one of those people that is so
well rounded as a creative and out of anything. This
has taught me because as Dore said, this has been
a very tough thing to process, even in my generation,
and it's been very tough to process, but it's taught

(32:07):
me to life is too short and God has put
so much in a lot of us as far as
creativity and to create things and not being put in
a box. So now is the time to just c
You've got to get.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
It out of me.

Speaker 24 (32:20):
You've got to get it out there.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Whether somebody sees.

Speaker 10 (32:23):
The work or not.

Speaker 24 (32:24):
You just got to create and always be a student
of life and a craft. So I'm praying for his
family and the village.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Don Dre.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
You talked about being on The Cosmic Show, and again
a lot of people sort of lock people in time.
And there was an interview that I saw that he
did in May with Melissa Ford and she asked him
about legacy and his mom said to him, because of
that show and Bill Cosby and the Cosmic Show, that

(32:57):
Malcolm Jamal Warner will be eternal because of how loved
that show is. And although he did so many other things,
I mean, the reality is that show was so iconic
and so many people identified with their character that in
many ways he will live on forever.

Speaker 23 (33:17):
You know what's interesting about that brother Row today during
the golf tournament, there was another a young man playing
with in my son's group, and his father came up
to me and said, you know, brother, I've been wanting
to tell you this for about the last three holes,

(33:40):
and what you all did doing that show impacted my
life to the extent that, as a child of foster care,
if I didn't have that show, I wouldn't have become
the man that I ultimately became.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Hearing that really right, I mean that meant Yeah, that
just hit me really hard because it.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
Does speak to that.

Speaker 23 (34:12):
It speaks to how iconic that show was and how
impactful it was, and Malcolm being a part of the
powerful tapestry of that show. As you said, we'll absolutely
live on forever in all of our hearts, Adriana.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
He obviously was in this business at a very early age,
and as someone on the young side of your career,
I take it you were really listening intently to their
advice on how to navigate this industry that could be
very treacherous for someone young.

Speaker 24 (34:47):
Absolutely, absolutely, and at that time we'll actually both turn.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
My mother would come.

Speaker 24 (34:52):
On set with me and he said something to her.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
He said, this was.

Speaker 24 (34:58):
During COVID and you were outside of the tray, where's
all talking and whatnot? And he told my mother, he said,
you know, you remind me of my love, So you're
doing something right. And even just talking with her and
how that stuck with her for a long time. And
as I'm navigating my own career now and really trying

(35:21):
to stay true to who I am as a creative.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Again, he's one.

Speaker 14 (35:26):
Of those individuals that I partially look up to.

Speaker 24 (35:29):
And Yeah, when you're in the room with greatness, when
you're in the room with people who carry themselves with
such talent and.

Speaker 14 (35:37):
Humility, you have to listen.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
You have to listen.

Speaker 24 (35:40):
So it was a lot of listening and he was
open to share, which is very important.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Dondrea final comment. I lost a great brother.

Speaker 23 (35:57):
We all lost a great man, and I am I'm
proud to have had this beautiful friendship. And this loss
just activates my purpose in a more profound way. And

(36:19):
I love to honor my brother with the work that.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
I do and my purpose work.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Dodre Whitfield, Adriana they was. I appreciate both of y'all
being on the show sharing your thoughts and reflections about Malcolm.
Jamal Warner.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Thank you, ro.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Thanks a bunch to my panels. Give you the opportunity
to weigh in as well. We'll stop at you first.

Speaker 13 (36:44):
You know, he was a good human.

Speaker 12 (36:46):
You know, I only met him a couple of times.
For the first time I was back in.

Speaker 13 (36:49):
The nineties, and he just had.

Speaker 12 (36:52):
A majority about himself. And watching him over the years
care about, you know, students and young people and HBCUs
and people's health and being willing to utilize his platform
to stand up and all those issues says a.

Speaker 13 (37:09):
Lot about who he was.

Speaker 12 (37:11):
And I think if many of us, if any of us,
can leave this planet and people say you are a
good human, then you did something right.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Aavis, exactly right.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
I echo everything that Mustapha said in addition that I
would just say he was someone who carried himself with pride.
He was someone who shared our culture and our history
with the world, not only via his acting, but also

(37:46):
via his own artistry in terms of his poetry, his yousic.
He was a renaissance man, a modern day renaissance man
who cared about people, who was someone we could all
be proud of, who was a loving human being. I
know that his daughter and wife. I just feel such

(38:11):
deep sorrow for them, But I have to say he
was someone that so many of us loved, and if
we did not know him personally, the reality is that
he still touched the lives of millions with his positivity,
strength and pride, and that is a legacy worth remembering.

Speaker 10 (38:34):
Michael, I, like Mustapha, had met Malcolm Jamar Warner a
couple of times in the late nineties and early two thousands,
and what and trusts me the most about when you
meet any kind of celebrity is how are they carrying
themselves around without when they either meet you or when

(38:55):
you watch them meet other people. And he was just like,
you know, just regular old person, no no pretenses with him.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Seemed like a nice guy. Obviously I didn't know him just.

Speaker 10 (39:07):
Again, just met him a couple of times, but his
work was outstanding.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean for our.

Speaker 10 (39:13):
Age groupie he was kind of the black you know,
Greg Brady and Peter Brady for us. And so the
Huxtables were obviously a big part of our growing up
and THEO was a huge part of it. So thoughts
and prayers to his to his family. He will obviously
be missed, folks.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Malcolm Jamal want a host of a podcast with Candice Kelly.
You have to see her on this show, providing legal
analysis is called Not All Hoods. She was supposed to
join us, but they're actually working on a special it'skinna
air on Fridays called Malcolm Left the Mic on uh
It's that they say, want to hear your voice. It says,
as we gathered in community to reflect, share and speak

(39:56):
on the impact Malcolm had in our lives. Whether you
knew him personally or feel connected to his work, your
story matters, joined the conversation. We're holding the space to
honor the light he carried and the legacy he leaves behind.
Let's remember together. That's gonna be a live virtual event
taking place Friday from seven to nine pm Eastern, so
we certainly look forward to that. Folks're gonna go to break,

(40:17):
we come back. We're gonna chat with some black female
journalists here at the National Press Club about the future
of media. I'm gonna also talk about jerry mandering in California.
We'll show you what this Republican said. But it's amazing
how he's been so quiet about Republican jerry mandering all
across the country. You're watching rolling unfiltered right here in
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Speaker 15 (40:48):
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might be a business venture, for some it might be
a relationship situation.

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Speaker 1 (44:38):
Folks, welcome back to Rollandard Unfiltered the Black Star Network.
Rely to the National Press Club. A little bit earlier,
there was a reception here put together by a group
of black female journalists. Y'all have been, of course paying
attention National Association of Black Journals. We've got our elections
taking place right now, Folks actually voting happens right now.
And of course, y'ard now, I'm running vice president Digital.

(44:59):
Aaron ha Ayanes, who's one of the scene leaders with
the Nineteenth, which targets a journalism site that focuses on
women in America. She's run president, she joins me. Right now, Aaron,
what's happening.

Speaker 19 (45:09):
Listen, we are out here.

Speaker 27 (45:10):
Thanks so much for being here, Thanks so much for
staying with me to take ANABJA into our next fifty years,
because it is time.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
First, before we get NABJ, let's talk about just where
this industry is and how insane it is. You've got
media companies that are being sued doing settlements with Trump.
You've got folks left and right who are making, to
me just crazy decisions. We've got contraction, We've got all
into different things happening. But the biggest thing is we

(45:37):
got an industry that's actually scared to swings, scared to
actually focus on truth because everybody's afraid that Trump might
tweet and talk about them.

Speaker 27 (45:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, journalism is under attack. You know
that the truth is under attack. Black America's under attack,
Black journalists are under attack, and we need somebody that's
going to be a fighter, who's going to say no,
this is not acceptable. The truth matters in a healthy democracy,
and so who is speaking up for that? No matter
who says that it doesn't matter, we must be the
ones that say that it does matter, that are stories

(46:06):
are part of what makes more of an honest and
accurate record of who and where we are as a country.

Speaker 19 (46:10):
Why can't we just say that?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Even in fact, the other day I saw something that
has tripped me out. So the New York Times had
this headline about, Oh, everybody's moved on Trump for Epstein.
I'm going I'm sorry.

Speaker 19 (46:23):
According to who, Yeah, they really newsflash, No they have
not No, they are not right.

Speaker 27 (46:30):
But like, who's going to point to that or who's
going to say, oh, wait, what is it really about
for this administration to release mlka's records.

Speaker 19 (46:37):
From the FBI? Like what is that about?

Speaker 27 (46:39):
Like why are we talking about that right now when
clearly so much as a country is still focused on
trying to get accountability and transparency on this story that
has captured so much of America. That is he that
the president of the United States literally is a part
of right like we have folks, we have black journalists,
we have others that are continuing to ask those questions
right now.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You think the whole point there we talk about the
black journalism part. What we're also seeing is we're seeing
the shift in this industry in terms of what's happening
with digital. And I can tell everybody stop saying that
it's a newspaper, television, radio, No, the entire industry is
now digital.

Speaker 19 (47:16):
H been digital? Yeah, Ben digital. And you are somebody
that knows that you have been.

Speaker 27 (47:20):
On the forefront of that shift, and now you know
here you are. You've got this platform. You were reaching
our audiences as a trusted messenger to folks.

Speaker 19 (47:30):
This is the role that we can play now. This
is why it is.

Speaker 27 (47:32):
Important for our journalists to be digital and to understand
what that means to be able to meet this moment
not just for our profession but for Black America.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Talk about the Nineteenth. Folks have no idea what that is.
Talk about that.

Speaker 19 (47:43):
Thank you for asking. Listen.

Speaker 27 (47:44):
The Nineteenth is a news platform that I helped start
five years ago because we knew that the news industry
was too mal and too pale, and we needed to
do this differently. So we start the Nineteenth and twenty
twenty to tell a different story around gender.

Speaker 19 (47:55):
Politics and power.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Now it's nonprofit or it is.

Speaker 27 (47:58):
A nonprofit newsroom with a diverse model, because we know
we cannot be beholden to corporate you know, the corporations
that we need to hold accountable and frankly that have
shown that they do not prioritize our audiences, women, people
of color, LGBTQ plus people, people have been historically marginalized
in this democracy. Those are the people that we want
to center and so figuring out how we can create

(48:18):
a sustainable model to really be able to tell their story,
to tell a real story about who and where we
are as a country like that is why we.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Started the Nineteenth. Now, being on journalism side is one thing,
but having to raise money is a whole different ballgame.

Speaker 17 (48:31):
Amen.

Speaker 27 (48:32):
Yeah, listen, editor at large means I wear a lot
of hats at the Nineteenth and so one of those, yeah,
is making sure that we have the money to be
a sustainable organization. The good news is the Nineteenth has
a story that we are able to tell and we're
able to sell, right a story that is compelling to people.
I appreciate so many people. If you are somebody that's
watching the show right now who's donated to the nineteenth,
who supported us with your dollars, that we appreciate you.

(48:54):
But also public philanthropy, private philanthropy, you know, to some
extent corporate sponsors, but again members who give nineteen dollars
a month, like you have to be able to tell
that story to people and think about the range of
you got to get creative about fundraising to be able
to raise the money that we have raised in the
nonprofit journalism space, like it is unusual our success. I mean,

(49:15):
I'm grateful for it, but frankly, this is not the
story of everybody that's a nonprofit journalism.

Speaker 19 (49:20):
It is certainly not the story of our business.

Speaker 27 (49:23):
Kind of rit large in this moment that we have
been able to do this as a testament to the
power of our narrative, but also just how we're thinking
outside of the box about.

Speaker 19 (49:30):
How to do this work.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
This is the fiftieth anniverse of the National Association of
Black Journalists, and you couldn't tell outside of the organization
if the world even knows that, which makes no sense
to me, which is a huge reason why we're also running,
and it drives to be crazy because we should be
not just celebrating, but laying out to people the role,

(49:52):
the critical role that black journalists play right now, and frankly,
our organization is mia.

Speaker 27 (49:57):
Listen, this is not something that you should know about
just because you and I are running to be the
next iteration of leadership in the organization, or something that
people learn about because they've seen it on convention literature,
like this is our fiftieth birthday, and we are also
at a crossroads for our profession and for our.

Speaker 19 (50:13):
People, like we have a story to tell right now.

Speaker 27 (50:16):
You could not have a better narrative going into our
fiftieth birthday right the opportunity but also the peril that
we are facing as black journalists.

Speaker 19 (50:23):
We should be telling that story.

Speaker 27 (50:25):
We matter more than ever, and also we can be
moving forward into our next fifty years in the bold
visionary spirit of those forty four founders that came together
in nineteen seventy five and said, no, what is happening
now is not acceptable.

Speaker 19 (50:36):
Our stories matter, our journalists.

Speaker 27 (50:38):
Matter, and we are going to say that loudly and
boldly in this industry and in this country.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, especially at a time when you see the attacks
on DEI absolutely corporations of pulling that funds and they know, hey,
Trump's faire three and a half more years. We don't
have to do any of this stuff, which means that
black organizations have to be even more focused on what
our is. When I say black ortizations, I mean inn ABJ, NAACP,
Urban League, all across the board.

Speaker 27 (51:05):
In coalition too, right, I mean, look black or black
advocacy organizations and folks who are being targeted with the
attacks against diversity, equity and inclusion. And let's call it
what it is, right, because this was something that folks
were in favor of just a few years ago. Now
they're turning away. Why is that acceptable? It shouldn't be acceptable.
And also there is strength in numbers. Right, You and
I have sat down, We've talked to Mark Morial about,

(51:25):
you know, at the National Urban League, about what that
kind of strength in numbers can look like when not
only in ABJ says the attack on journalism, on black
journalism is unacceptable. National Urban League echoes that, NAACP echoes that,
because guess what it's you today, and it's going to
be us tomorrow, and we all have to stand together
to say no and to push back against any attempts
to silence our voices and to silence our representation.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Absolutely so, folks, if you're an ABJ member, you can
vote right now online, so you should. Well, it was
what the email is from? What is it?

Speaker 19 (51:57):
Dot com?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
No reply at something, because it's now the NABJ.

Speaker 19 (52:00):
You're getting the newsletter? No, no, no, but it's Aaron
for n ABJ dot com. Aaron for NABJ at gmail
dot com.

Speaker 27 (52:06):
Reach out to me if you're getting I have a
free newsletter I put out every single week talking about
what I'm gonna do for the organization. And because we
have to be transparent too, right, like that's important. We're
journalist organization. We got to let people know what we're
doing and what we're gonna do for them.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
But folks, again, you can vote right now right now.
Takes place through August eighth, fin So y'all can vote
right now, so we can tell three more people to
vote to yeah, absolutely, so don't don't don't be lazy. Uh,
And y'all know we believe in voting and everything else.
So we're gonna do a switch right now, because I'm
gonna talk to Jackie Jones. So Jackie is a dean
at Morgan State University. Jacket wonder here, Uh so jack

(52:37):
at Morgan State. Uh and just standing right there next
to next to Aaron uh and uh and you get
the whold of Michael Jacket talk to Jacket Jack You
can just step right there instead right there, so so
Jacket the point Aaron just making there we talk about
what's happening right now in this country. HPC user impacted.
But this is a time more than ever when you

(52:58):
absolutely you got to have strong black journalists telling our stories.

Speaker 25 (53:04):
Absolutely, and they need to understand the whole history of
what we do, right, because I think so many of
our students come in with no clue and they think, oh,
I just.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
Want to stand in front of a camera. They even
tell me.

Speaker 25 (53:17):
Now, this blew me away. I don't want to be
a journalist. I want to be a storyteller. I said,
what do you think we do?

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Whose stories?

Speaker 19 (53:23):
We tell?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
What?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
That tells me?

Speaker 25 (53:25):
Because words are important. And if they think that journalists
don't tell stories, now we've got an even bigger problem
than we think, and we have to get them to
understand that. That's how you get the information out by
telling the stories of people impacted by the things that
happen to them.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You also have to deal with this here, and that
is you've got a lot of journalists, young journalists. They
all want to have an opinion, and a lot of
their opinion it's not based upon actual experience or reporting.
And I'm constantly saying, hey, before you can start giving
your opinion on stuff, how about you focus on who, what, where,

(54:02):
we're in, how and why. As a dean of an
HBCU school communications, how you're dealing with that.

Speaker 25 (54:09):
Oh, that's the foundation of everything that we do. You
have to have the basics. James Baldwin once said, you
have to know the rules to break the rules.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
So you've got to know what.

Speaker 25 (54:17):
You're talking about. You know, we say it on our
radio station. We have an NPR affiliated station. We are
the voice of the community. Well, people are relying on
us to know what we're talking about. You want to
make sure that you are not just taking information as
somebody gives you without vetting it, without understanding the impact
it's gonna have. You're not just repeating, You're reporting. And
there's a big distinction, and we drill that into them

(54:40):
and we make them do everything you right across all platforms.
You shoot, you edit, you do everything that a journalist does.
And so I don't even let them talk in silos.

Speaker 19 (54:51):
You're a journalist.

Speaker 25 (54:52):
Journalists do everything. You get out there in the street
and you cover something, and if something happens, something breaks down,
you jump in, you do the next thing. I've seen
you do it, I've seen Aaron do it.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It's what we do.

Speaker 25 (55:03):
And we don't run from the news and we don't
try to offuscate anything. If you can't do that, if
you're too scared to do that, you got to think
about whether this is where you really want to be.
And you never want to be told that they can't.
So it's like you're going to come in, You're going
to do the work, and you have to do it
from the inside out.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Last question for you. You had extensive career in me
in journalism, and frankly, there are very few folk who
are deans of school communications who actually work in the business,
and so how do you make sure that real world
experience comes into the classroom. Because the issue that I've
had too many folks in classrooms have a theoretical understanding
of media and not a real world understanding what we

(55:42):
would do every day right now.

Speaker 25 (55:44):
I encourage faculty to go out in the field with students.
We give them practical experience so they come in is
hands on. They used to tell freshmen the advisors would say, oh, well,
wait until you're a sophomore and you're actually taking courses
in the major before I'm like, no, you come in here.
You're going to work for the student in publication. You're
gonna be on BEAAR TV, You're gonna be on the
radio station. You're gonna do all of the things that

(56:06):
we do. Every department in our school has a performance center,
and the students have to put in a certain amount
of time doing that, and then we take them out
in the street. We do partnerships, we do collaborations, We
pull in professional partners, and we make them work from
day one, so what they learn in the classroom makes
more sense because they're like, oh, yeah, that's like when
I went out last week. So by the time they graduate,

(56:27):
the goal is for you to walk across the stage
with a diploma in one hand and a job in
the other. And if I don't know and I tell
my seniors this every year. If you leave the school
and I don't know who you are, we've got a problem.
I need to know everybody's name. I need to know
where you're going, what you're doing, what your plan is,
and I will call you out. And I have no
problems with that. And so far it's worked out pretty well.

(56:48):
In the last five years, we've had five students who
have either won Pullu Surprises or Emmies.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
And I stand on that, so I'm gonna tell you
all it is here. So we had one of the
mortgage days is the intern and Jackie is like, I
don't know what the hell y'all did, but that girl's
soul came back when she left because right.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Ten weeks weeks she went through the paces.

Speaker 25 (57:09):
Yeah, when she came in, I said, well, how was
it working for mister Martin, She said, oh my god,
I was so scared every day.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I said, well, that's good for you. That's I supposed
to be, like having.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Weedies for breakfast every day.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Jack would appreciate it. Thank you, Anne. Just talking about
what you want to do as president for HBCUs. And
then I'm gonna bring in Sheila Brooks so Jackie, you
can go and step out. She looked on to step in.
So while Aaron is talking, then I'm introduced Sheila. Go ahead.

Speaker 27 (57:33):
Yeah, I mean, look, so I'm already doing it at
the nineteenth. We've got a fellowship for HBCUs making sure
that we create that pipeline.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, you were talking about earlier the reception. You said,
it's fully paid.

Speaker 27 (57:42):
Fully paid intern of its full benefits four oh one
K from day one, and you are fully immersed in
the organization. You are put to work from day one
at the nineteenth, and so by the time year year
is over, we expect you to be fully employable and
we will help you find your next job moving on
from the nineteenth. So like we must be there for
our HBCU students. We know that they are just as talented,
just as capable, They just need the opportunities, and so

(58:03):
getting them in front of the folks that need to
hire them so that they can see what we see
at any bj and those students because we prepared them, right,
we must prepare them. So getting them in front of
those students is I mean, it is our obligation for
the next generation.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Sheila Brooks, long time journalist, executive producer on all levels.
SRB Productions launched your own company. And the reason I
wanted to mention to talk to you, Shila, because you're
one of the companies being impacted by all these changes
happening in DC. There are so many companies that are
black owned companies, others that have lost lots of business deals,
lots of contracts because of the DOGE cuts, and when

(58:40):
our business is based upon government contracts, federal, state, County, City,
the climate we're in has completely disrupted companies like yours.

Speaker 28 (58:50):
It absolutely has. And one thing as business owners, we
had to start looking at this last year. It didn't
just happen in January.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
You to see a company, we saw it coming.

Speaker 28 (59:00):
We had to be visionary and we saw it when
it was all happening in Corporate America, and Corporate America
was cutting back on many of their contracts DEI. The
attack on DEEI came first with corporations, that's where a
lot of our business comes from. And then we had
this whole bank of business that also comes from the

(59:20):
federal government.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
So then we just had.

Speaker 19 (59:24):
Just a trickle down effect.

Speaker 28 (59:26):
When January twenty it rolls in and we have all
these contracts from the federal government.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
And here's the deal.

Speaker 28 (59:32):
We're in the business of doing business with the federal
government as minority and women own and small businesses always
have been.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
It doesn't matter who's in office, right, it doesn't matter if.

Speaker 28 (59:45):
It's what political party is in office. We are in
the business of doing business.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Well, the issues you have right now is that Trump
wants to get rid of the thirty seven billion dollar
dB program. Seventy eight percent of that money goes to
white women. Last year was a record for black business.
It's ten billion dollars. And so if that happens, I
keep warning people they have no idea what the impact
is going to be on job losses, charitable contributions, you

(01:00:12):
name it, from black owned businesses to the black community.

Speaker 28 (01:00:15):
If that it goes away, it's going to be a travesty.
Already is so many federal government agencies have cut back
on all of their contracting. They're not spending the money.
We may have the contracts in place, but the money
there is no spend there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So when this you got a sheet of papers, right,
you got work.

Speaker 28 (01:00:32):
It's three four years of contracts and you don't have it.
You know, and so we're setting out here saying, Okay,
in challenging times like this, uncertain times, the political environment
like it is, what we have to do is we
have to look at these challenging times as growth drivers.
We have to look at other revenue streams. And that's

(01:00:55):
our challenge right now as small business owners.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
She'll appreciate it. And at last point, one of the
things that we keep talking about is that our business
is changing. Individual members are now individual companies, yea. And
what I keep saying is we got to be teaching
the business of the business because folk I don't want to.
My wife keep saying, don't say it is easy, but

(01:01:19):
actually content is easy, But how to make money from
its different conversation. And a lot of our folks have
no clue about business of the business.

Speaker 19 (01:01:26):
That's absolutely true, and that's been true. That was true
for a long time.

Speaker 27 (01:01:29):
When I was a younger journalist, folks had the luxury
of paying more attention to how to do this work
instead of the business of the work. Right listening to
what she was just saying, Scenario planning, that's something we
did at the nineteenth thinking about what might happen depending
on what the climate is in this country. How will
that affect our business? Right, not just the journalism that
we do, but our sustainability as an organization.

Speaker 19 (01:01:51):
We have to be thinking about that.

Speaker 27 (01:01:53):
We have to be spreading that mentality among our colleagues
that you have got to be concerned about the business.
And also so if you are somebody that says, because
we do, you know, we know a lot of folks
that want to make content, but they don't know how
to monetize it. Like, how are you going to start
having that conversation? Just because you want to do this
doesn't mean you know how to make money doing it right,
And just because you do it does not mean the

(01:02:13):
money is going to come.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yep, yeah, just saying well, I'll just put it out there.
That's not how it works, all right, So there's a
lot of work. Again, if you are a black journalist
or you remember being ABJ, you can vote airs. Remember President,
I'm running a VP digital and so we want y'all
to make it happen because what we're talking about, I
guarantee y'all y'all have no idea if you do not
have black folks in mainstream newsrooms. You know, what did
I say last night? If you don't have black owned media,

(01:02:37):
then it's so y'all have no idea how much stuff
we stop ye from being published. Compared to it. It
was so many thing to happen when I was at
CNN that never got on the air because I was
in that newsroom and I wouldn't let a lot of
stuff get done that was not actually correct correct, And
so people have no idea.

Speaker 27 (01:02:57):
And things happened because of the lens that we have
in the perspect that we'll bring to this craft. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely,
and we appreciate it. I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Thanks a much, thank you. All Right, folks, gotta go
to break. We'll be right back. Roland Martin unfilter right
here in the Blackstun Network.

Speaker 29 (01:03:11):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Call, we
look at one of the most influential and permanent Black
Americans of the twentieth century. His work literally changed the word,
among other things, he played a major role in creating
the United Nations. He was the first African American and
first person of color to win the Nobel Peace Prize,

(01:03:33):
and yet today he is hardly a household name.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
We're talking, of course, about Ralph J.

Speaker 29 (01:03:39):
Bunch, a new book refers to him as the absolutely
indispensable man.

Speaker 30 (01:03:45):
His lifelong interest and passion in racial justice, specifically in
the form of colonialism, and he saw his work as
an octivist and advocate for the black community here in
the States as just the other side of the coin
of his work trying to roll back European Empire and Africa.

Speaker 29 (01:04:07):
Author cal Rastilla will join us to share his incredible
story that's on the Next Black Table here on the
Black Star Network this week.

Speaker 21 (01:04:17):
On the Other Side of Change, Duran Mamdani, the New
York City mayor race and this progressive wave that has
sent such a shockwave through all of New York City
and really the rest of the country. Jamal Bowman, Who's
going to help us understand what this mayoral election means
and how we make sure that it translates across the nation.

Speaker 22 (01:04:35):
Do you imagine national Democrats like identifying themselves as having
flavor or rears or swag like, absolutely not right. So
hopefully the city does what they can in November to
help resurrect his dying party and honestly just resurrect our democracy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Only on the other side of change on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 14 (01:04:59):
On the next about life with me, doctor Jackie. We're
talking about leveling up, or, to put it another way,

Speaker 15 (01:05:10):
we fall into this trap which often gets a stuck
because we're looking at someone else's level of journeys, what
level of lupe means to them. For some, it might
be a business venture, for some it might be a
relationship situation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
It's all a part of a balanced life.

Speaker 14 (01:05:30):
That's next on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 23 (01:05:34):
Hey, it's John Murray, the executly produce of the new
Sherry Shepper Talk shall you're watching all of Mark Unfiltered me?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
All right, folks, y'all want a good laugh. So Republicans
are now criticizing California Gavin Newsom because he said that
if Texas jerry manders five seats and they knock out Democrats,
he's gonna do the exact same thing in California. Listen
to this California congressman going on one of these conservative

(01:06:41):
outlets whining and complaining. This is hilarious.

Speaker 31 (01:06:46):
I think it's pretty arcical for Hakeem Jeffries to say
that he just wants things to be fair. What he
wants is to be speaker, and he's willing to take
any measures that he sees as facilitating that goal. What
we have playing out in California is we already have
an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission that was established by voters

(01:07:07):
through a democratic process, and now the governor of the state,
Gavin Newsom, is talking about trying to override the will
of voters and abolish that commission and replace its maps
with those drawn by himself and the supermajority Legislature. And
what they're talking about, by the way, is trying to
wipe out six of the nine seats that Republicans currently

(01:07:28):
have in Congress.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
So what would that mean.

Speaker 31 (01:07:30):
It would mean that California's congressional representation would be three
Republicans and forty nine Democrats, so we'd have fewer than
six percent of the congressional seats, even though Republicans get
over forty percent of the vote in statewide elections. I'm
not sure that sounds very fair to me to use
Leader Jefferies term.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Well, let's talk more about Hakim Jeffries, their congressman.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
He says what they're going to do is fair.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
What the GOP is going to do, especially in Texas,
is only at the bidding of President Trump.

Speaker 31 (01:08:03):
Well, look to be honest, I don't love what's going
on in Texas either, but it is very different than
what's happening in California because California has an independent commission
that has been set up by voters, and so for
the governor to say that he's going to ignore that
or try to override it or circumvent it, that is
directly defying the will of California voters, who have said
by an overwhelming majority that they want this process to

(01:08:26):
be nonpartisan, that voters ought to pick politicians. It shouldn't
be the other way around, with politicians picking their voters.
But what's more, even if you look at the most
aggressive plan that's being put forward in California, in Texas,
that would still leave the Democrats with about a quarter
of the seats over there, Whereas what they're proposing in
California is to reduce the representation of Republicans to six

(01:08:49):
percent in a state that is already a one party state,
with the Democrats having a super duper majority in the legislature,
holding the governor's office and every other statewide office, eliminating
any semblance whatsoever of checks and balances in our state.

Speaker 25 (01:09:05):
So, Congressman Kylie, what do you think will happen in
your state of California?

Speaker 18 (01:09:09):
Do you think Governor Newsom will pull off, as you said,
redistricting based on his map.

Speaker 31 (01:09:15):
Well, Newsom will do whatever he thinks works to his
own advantage. He's obviously out there trying to run for president. Really,
he's trying to run for a second time. He'd hoped
he was going to be the guy after Biden stepped
out in twenty twenty four. So he's latching onto this
as somehow a way to put this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Okay, here's what I find it'd be interesting. In November,
Democrats won the governor's mansion, lieutenant governor's race. This is
in North Carolina. Governor's race, lieutenant governor's race, secretary of state,
attorney general, in a seat on the Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
On the congressional level, Republicans have a ten to three majority.
Do you don't know why? Because the Republicans jerry mandered
North Carolina. It used to be seven seven seven Democrats
seven Republicans, they controlled the legislature, they changed it for
ten to three majority. Oh, I'm sorry. How many seeks
did the GOP control the House? Right now?

Speaker 27 (01:10:15):
Four?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Right? Then North Carolina? Oh, I'm sorry. This is the
same congressman he was tweeting about.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Oh, well, if.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Forty one percent of Californians voted for Republican hmm, that's
interesting because an analysis was done avis that showed that
if that Democrats, if they won fifty five percent of
the vote in Wisconsin, they would still be in the
minority in the Wisconsin Legislature, in the Wisconsin congressional district

(01:10:47):
because the Republicans and Wisconsin jerry mannered Wisconsin. I don't
recall seeing this Republican and others saying, well, this is
just not right, unfair.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
In fact, he complained about these States.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Commission there in California. I remember that Ohio a couple
of years ago passed a similar deal and the Republicans
in Ohio said, the hell with that commission, We're gonna
jerry mander anyway. So you know what, I don't want
to hear shit from any Republican complaining about Democrats jerrymandering

(01:11:22):
when that's what they've done.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
You want to play that game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Democrats should be going hardcore jerry mandering every single state
where they have majority, and if that means wiping Republicans out,
that's the game y'all want to play, let's play.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
I agree.

Speaker 11 (01:11:44):
What's baffling to me is that it took so damn long.
I mean, come on, this is something, particularly in the House,
that has been going on in a gracious manner and
several states to benefit the Republicans for years. And it's
just another example of about how, you know, the Democrats
want to play by the rules and the Republicans just

(01:12:04):
want to rule by any means necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
And it's very very rich.

Speaker 11 (01:12:11):
It's very very rich to hear all of a sudden,
all of this angst by this Republican who it's finally
put in a position where he might have to take
a little bit of the medicine that they've been doling
out now for years in several different states across the nation.
So I'm glad that Gavin Newsom is actually manning up
and actually saying I'm going to do something about this.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
And if other.

Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
Democratically controlled states started to get on the bandwagon and
do this too, at least we could fight fire with fire.
And the good thing is, honestly, in terms of fighting
fire with fire, the blue states typically have larger populations.
So if the Republicans want to play this game, go
ahead and play this game, okay, and see how well
it goes for you in the future. This is exactly

(01:12:54):
what needs to happen if we want to start to
be able to fight back against what we are seeing
now with this tyrannical minority that is trying to create
an autocratic state.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Michael, I absolutely believe in non partisan commissions laying out
congressional districts. I personally believe that we shouldn't have these
weird snakes and all these weird configurations with Republicans and
some places Democrats are trying to gain majorities by being

(01:13:29):
able to read drum maps. To me, they should be contiguous.
They shouldn't make sense. Well, this is very simple. If
Republicans are going to redistrict in the middle of a
census in twenty twenty five, normally this is done census
is taken twenty twenty, reditionisting takes place in twenty twenty one. Okay,
if they're going to do this in Texas. If they're

(01:13:50):
going to do it in other states, well guess what.
Illinois should do it. Michigan should do it every book,
Maryland should do it. And yes, well Gavin Newsom was saying, Okay,
y'all want to go there, not a problem. I can
do it too.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
You gonna pick up five in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
I'm gonna pick up seven or eight in California. Let's go.

Speaker 10 (01:14:14):
Absolutely, And that's where they've made this decision clearly. I
don't know if they're rethinking it. I guess we'll find out.
If Governor Abbott in Texas says, you know what, I
didn't know we were going to start this kind of firestorm,
I don't know why he would have thought that, but
hopefully people do step up and say it's time for
us to use the term. I think that Avis uses
fire with fire, and so we'll see. But jerry mandering,

(01:14:38):
it's so interesting because, yes, obviously it's about clearly the
power in the United States Congress and Senate.

Speaker 9 (01:14:44):
Mostly in Congress obviously, but some.

Speaker 10 (01:14:47):
Of those snake districts you were referring to were also
to drive out black elected officials as well, hence to
make to split up black communities, so the votes wouldn't
go to people they chose to want to vote for
or who they wanted to have represent them in Congress.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
So jerry mandering is obviously a political tool.

Speaker 10 (01:15:08):
The question is hopefully the leadership and the Democratic Party
will say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
You know what, Okay, let's let's let's let's go. We
have to do this by necessity.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
This isn't even an issue.

Speaker 10 (01:15:19):
Of oh, you know, because as you know, we play sometimes,
as I think Aavis mentioned, by the rules, they've changed
the rules.

Speaker 9 (01:15:26):
So since they've changed the rules, let's play it by
the new rules.

Speaker 10 (01:15:30):
And the new rules are let's go into the blue
states and jerry manders some of these people out and
we'll see what happens. Hopefully the leadership of the party
will take that doesn't Gavin Newsom has clearly aspirations a
lot of people. This is why they like him because
he steps up and wants to fight a lot of
people claim, oh, I'm going to fight and I'll fight

(01:15:52):
for this, that and the other. But that doesn't mean
you want to fight. Gavin Newsom wants to fight. Remember
he went on one on one with Sean Hannity with
no fear. He debated Governor Desantus, So he clearly wants
this fight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I'm proud of.

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
I hope other people follow unless Texas backpedals.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Mustapha from me is real simple again, if it's somebody said, knock,
if you buck in the chat, listen, Republicans, they believe
in power. My greatest criticism of Democrats if they never
understood the power game. And this is where you say,
if that's how y'all want to roll, that's not a problem.

(01:16:34):
But we about to respond accordingly. You fire, we fire.
The Supreme Court has already said they have no role
when it comes to political jeer mandarin. That is up
to the state supreme courts. Guess what, Where you have
an advantage, you do it. You take advantage of it.
If they want to do it in Texas, you respond.
In California. If they do it in Ohio, and then

(01:16:57):
you respond in Wisconsin. If they do it North Carolina,
you respond in Illinois. You say, to the ass point,
the most populous states in America are blue states. That's
how you respond.

Speaker 13 (01:17:11):
Yeah, game recognized game.

Speaker 12 (01:17:13):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:17:13):
It's really that simple.

Speaker 12 (01:17:15):
If you've got power, then you're going to use it.
If you really want to make sure that this country
heals and this country becomes more equitable and continues to grow.
Then we've got to change the dynamics that are going on.
You know, Michael laid it out. You know, the gerrymandering, redistricting,
all these different types of things that tools that people
have used to dis empower black folks to hold onto

(01:17:39):
power for themselves, to move resources into their communities, and
to leave them out of the communities that needed them
the most, is all tied to these sets of action. So,
as my grandmother says, you have power unless you give
it away. I hope democrats finally start to understand how
this game actually is playing out in the twenty first century.

(01:18:01):
And I hope one day that we can get back
to nonpartisan commissions. But we're not living in that moment
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Folks going to a quick break. We come back, we're
gonna talk about these corrupt sheriffs in Louisiana and also
Bret Hankerson, the cop convicted in the shooting of Brema Taylor.
Judge sentences him to prison. Yeah, we're gonna talk about
it to that too. You're watching Rolling Untilia on the
Blackstun Network.

Speaker 21 (01:18:31):
This week on the other side of change, Dura on Mamdani,
the New York City mayor race and this progressive wave
that has sent such a shockwave through all of New
York City and really the rest of the country. Jamal Bowman,
who's going to help us understand what this mayoral election
means and how we make sure that it translates across
the measuld.

Speaker 22 (01:18:49):
You imagine national Democrats like identifying themselves as having slavor
or riz or swage like absolutely not right. So hopefully
the city does what it can in November. The health
resurrect is dying, partying and honestly just resurrect our democracy
only on the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Other side of change. On the Black Star Network, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Am Tommy Davidson. I play Oscar on Proud Family, Louder
and Prouduct.

Speaker 28 (01:19:16):
Right now, I'm rolling with Roland Martin, unfiltered, uncutting, unplugged
and undamned believable him.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
And all right, folks, ms Pruess, Gord mate Ja Child.

(01:19:49):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
One of the products and our shot Blackstar network dot
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Prewitt uh from Detroit, Michigan. This is a product here
a sauceman entirely from vegetables. Gluten free began friendly crept
It in Detroit, passed out from generations and so how

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many generations? Where did this recipe start in your family lineage?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Thank you so much for the invitation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
So my pruit, my mother in law, gave me the
recipe and told me to go and tell the world
about chat Cha. I started because I had this small
business class and I told my husband about it and
I said, I was gonna. I got this great idea
for a small business. He said, no, no way, you

(01:20:42):
got to start. So in chat Ja, I was like,
what's church Cha? It's an authentic southernquescent. It's a relish condiment, sauce.
You got to talk to my mother about this cha Cha.
She's going to tell you about it. It's a great history, rich,
rich history. So my pruit, my mother in law, and
I said, and she talked about Chatchaw. She gave me

(01:21:02):
the history. Blessed about chat Cha.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
She told me that Chacha.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
So it's a relish. It's a relish.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
It's a relish condiment sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yet, okay, all right, yep, so got it? And what
is it?

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
What does it put on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Is it put on bread? Is it put on crackers?
What does it put on?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Historically colic greens, pental beans, black eyed peas, hot watercorn bread.
Oh yeah, yes, nowadays got it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Okay, So when you asked about when you asked about
what is cha chaw? What did she say?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
She set me down and she talked about chas yaw,
the history of it, and she said that cha cha
originated in the backwards of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina,
five generations in the early eighteen thirties. And she said
that her mother told her about it, and their ancestors
were slaves. When they were not picking cotton in the

(01:21:59):
fields or gathering up the vegetables, they were allowed to
pick up the scraps, that's right, cabbage leaves, green tomatoes,
not red cabbage leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
And green tomatoes.

Speaker 30 (01:22:11):
So green tomatoes are firm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
They were able to put them in their blue jean
pockets and their apron pockets. They gathered up cabbage, green tomatoes, peppers, onions,
different herbs, and they put.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Together what they call chatcha.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Chatcha they considered as wow.

Speaker 9 (01:22:30):
Yeah, it was very labor intense.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
They chopped up really small chunks of all vegetables, and
they fermented the product as well, the chatcha as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
All right, questions for my pant Let's see here Gustava.
As we know Michael, heyn't cooked nutting, so we ain't
gonna start with him. So well we know Avis don't cook. Hither,
let's go Mustava first.

Speaker 13 (01:23:00):
O Hey good?

Speaker 12 (01:23:01):
All right, Well anyway, shout out to the d I
appreciate you being here with us.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
A quick question.

Speaker 12 (01:23:07):
So you know a lot of folks are now focusing
on healthier lifestyles and healthier diets.

Speaker 13 (01:23:12):
Can you talk a little bit about your product and how.

Speaker 24 (01:23:14):
It helps us.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Chasha is plant based, it's all vegetables, ooten free, keto friendly,
and it's very natural in that it has no preservatives,
none at all. There's no yellow rit no yellow dye
number five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Dyeing it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
It's made apple sided vinegar and it's pickling spice, and
it's very natural, all plant based, unlike others. Yeah, they
have chemicals, missus bridge for me, Chascha does not.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
All right, Avis?

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
Okay, So now that Roland has called me out as
being a non cooker, okay, but I do eat okay,
And I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Love you know, you know, ain't line as your uncle.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
I have a very limited repertoire.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Okay, that's what I say.

Speaker 19 (01:24:05):
I cook, but a very limited repertoire.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
That's said.

Speaker 11 (01:24:09):
I do love soul food, and so I love to eat.

Speaker 13 (01:24:12):
Soul food is my favorite cuisine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
So I have never heard of chacha.

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
However, I do know that I think some of the
best chefs in the world are based in South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
So can you tell me a little bit more about just.

Speaker 11 (01:24:26):
How is chacha something that is very particular to South
Carolinian soul food cuisine or is this something that can
be found all over the South.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
So Ma Pru told me when she told me about chacha,
she said that it originated in where she's from, South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
But it's chaucha is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
All ways known as authentic Southern classic cuisine. And she
said that it was not only Southern, but when they
migrated from the South to the north, they bought all
their vegetables.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
And to the north.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Cha as they came back to the North. So it's
it's it is a Southern cuisine, the Southern classic cuisine.
As I and when I was doing my research, I
did not find a whole lot of information about cha cha,
and so I kept doing more and more research, and

(01:25:29):
I learned so much about chacha from manfruit the very
little information out there about it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
Michael Michael, thank you Roland for your incorrect introduction. I
can burn for your information, but maybe one day I
shall do that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
My question is, Man Michael, don't nobody believe you could cook?
Don't head you probably a micro wave ping.

Speaker 10 (01:26:01):
My question is, my sister in law is a vegan
and cooks very well. She tries to make it as
flavorful as possible as a carnivore. How can she attract
me more to some of her cuisine? What are some
of your tips for her to attract I guess people
like me. She's like done colid flower steaks, which she

(01:26:24):
seasons up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
She gives me a steak knife.

Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
So how else can she satisfy the carbon tennivores of
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Oh, I'm so glad you asked me that question, because
chacha is plant based and vegans love chacha. It really
enhances the flavor in tofu any kind of vegetables. I
love it, a veggie burger and any kind of soups, salads,
it's really enhances the flavor of whatever they're eating as

(01:26:54):
a snack meal. It's amazing in terms of handing the flavor.

Speaker 14 (01:27:01):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 31 (01:27:02):
And I know you'll mention it.

Speaker 9 (01:27:03):
Where do you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
How do we get your products? Where are they? Yeah, Michael,
we got that, Michael, we got that. Okay, Michael, you
get one question. Michael. That's it. We know you can't cook,
but you get one question. All right, y'all. If y'all
want to get ms Pruitz Gourmet Cha Chaw, go to
shop Blackstart Network dot com. You see the product right there.
It's among the other products that are on our news desk.

(01:27:28):
But if you go to our website, shop Blackstart Network
dot com, you can get the products with the other
black products that we have on there. Linda K. Prue,
we certainly appreciate it, Thank you so very much, and
I look forward to testing this out when I get
back in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Thanks so much for the invitation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Thank you appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, all right, folks.
Quick Break found two stories and then we're out back
on Rolling Mark unfiltered at the moment.

Speaker 29 (01:27:56):
Next on the black table with me, Greg Call, we
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Among other things, he played a major role in creating
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and yet today he is hardly a household name.

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
We're talking, of course, about Ralph J.

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Bunch.

Speaker 29 (01:28:26):
A new book refers to him as the absolutely indispensable man.

Speaker 30 (01:28:30):
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That's on the next Black Table here on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 10 (01:29:02):
What' se up, y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
This is Wendell Haskins aka Win Hogan at the original
te Golf Classic. And you know I watched Rowland Martin
Unfiltered Folks, Brett Hankers and the former Luvia police officer
who was convicted in the death of Brian the Taylor

(01:29:24):
A federal judge slapped him with thirty three years in prison.
Now the Trump dalj only one of him sentenced to
one day, which was time served, but the judges like, nah,
he really should have got held a lot more for that.
He was convicted in November of using excessive force in
the deadly raid on Brenon Taylor's home, resulting in her death.

(01:29:44):
Her mother, Tamika Palmer, spoke last night to seeing it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
It wasn't justice, but I got essentially what I started
it out for, which was jail time. So it's a start.
When you heard the prosecution say one day, what went
through your mind? I couldn't understand why he was there.

(01:30:17):
I from the moment it started.

Speaker 32 (01:30:23):
I felt as if he should have been sitting next
to Brett Hankinson.

Speaker 19 (01:30:27):
The prosecutor, you mean the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Yes, absolutely, Is that what you meant?

Speaker 14 (01:30:33):
Because there was a moment you said, I'm sorry again.
There was a moment you said something like outside the
courthouse there was no prosecution for us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Is that what you meant?

Speaker 12 (01:30:41):
You didn't have an advocate?

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Absolutely, That's exactly what I meant.

Speaker 32 (01:30:46):
He advocated for Brett the whole time, like he never
there was no advocation for the family, for any of
the victims. It was him literally there to make sure
Brett got the least amount of time as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Did the prosecution ever speak with you or meet with
you leading up to today's sentencing.

Speaker 32 (01:31:09):
No, he didn't know who I was when he even
came over to address us. Really, no, I've never spoke
with him. I've never, like I said, he came over
to speak with us, he didn't know who I was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
That's a damn, Shane Abe is. The bottom line is
the Trump Department of Justice. They don't give a damn
about victims. They are there to protect cops.

Speaker 11 (01:31:35):
Yeah, and they're there to tech white people. I'll just
go ahead and take it a step further. It can'tnot
be any more plain that this country has been taken
over by a cabal of white supremacists, and one of
the most dangerous places for them to be is over
the Department of Justice. I mean, see what they've done

(01:31:56):
to the Department of Civil Rights.

Speaker 13 (01:31:57):
It's been completely obliterated.

Speaker 11 (01:32:00):
They have made known what their priorities are and are not.
And this is exactly what happens as a result of this.
And what's really heartbreaking is that we shouldn't have to
be here at all. You know, this murder should never
have happened in the first place. And then on the

(01:32:20):
other side of this, to have insult to injury by
disrespecting the family in that way is just completely unforgivable.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
We'll stop.

Speaker 12 (01:32:35):
You know, no mother, father, grandmother should have to sit
in a courtroom and watch the devaluing of the life
of the person that they loved. But unfortunately, we're going
to see more of these types of situations, and if
we're going to be honest about it, we have to
also say that. You know, elections have consequences. So when
I see these types of things happen, I think about

(01:32:58):
everybody who sat on the couch. I think about everybody
who said I'm not going to vote. So you know,
there is a collective set of responsibility in this moment,
and I hope people will remember it and they'll make
sure that they do something different the next time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
M Yeah, Michael. All these people who complained about Vice
President Kamala Harris, all of these simple Simon negroes where
they at they ain't saying nothing, And here's what's gonna happen.
I'm telling you right now, what's gonna happen is Trump
is going to part in Hankerson. Just go He's gonna happen.
He's already part in other cops. He's going to every
cop that is convicted on the federal level of a crime,

(01:33:37):
he is going to part in them.

Speaker 10 (01:33:40):
And most of those crimes are against black and brown people.
So it's right up his alley. So I think you're right.
I thought what Mustapha said was right. Clearly what Age
said was correct. It is kind of where we are,
and it's certainly unfortunate. But when you either, as you mentioned,
they're sat on the couch. He made some excuse for

(01:34:02):
why you couldn't vote for a black woman and you
liked his his policies, Uh, they were always challenged, what
policies do you like?

Speaker 9 (01:34:10):
Of course they couldn't come up with any Oh he's strong, Well,
give me a break. He's weak.

Speaker 31 (01:34:15):
He's not.

Speaker 10 (01:34:15):
He's never been strong. He's always been weak. But they
felt for the ilk. A lot of these I forgot,
which call him simple simons.

Speaker 12 (01:34:23):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:34:24):
They used they always say, oh, I could never be
vamboozl or I can never be fooled. They got fooled,
and they couldn't vote for a black woman. That's basically
what where we are. And I anticipate as well that
he will use his pardon power. And he's not even
gonna wait till the end of the turn. He's gonna
pardon some of these police officers immediately.

Speaker 9 (01:34:43):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Absolutely, this this this tale of the theme of the cops.
In Louisiana, federal prosecutors unveiled a sweeping indictment against five individuals,
including four law enforcement officers, for a scheme uh to
the fraud the US immigration system. What they did was
they actually pushed forward these fraudulent reports where side by

(01:35:08):
cops that allow foreign nationals and the family members to
remain in the United States under false pretenses. Here is
the federal prosecutor laying out the indictment.

Speaker 33 (01:35:20):
These unsealed indictments announced today send a clear message that
whether you carry a badge or business license, those who
engage in criminal activities will be held accountable. In addition
to the businessmen, for the defendants are law enforcement officers
who were entrusted to uphold the more principles and values
expected of those who carry a badge. When a businessman

(01:35:44):
becomes the architect of a criminal scheme and law enforcement
officials help carry it out. Public trust erodes at every level.
VISA fraud posed a significant risk to individuals, public safety,
and national security. False visas can facilitate illegal activities in
the United States, including financial crime, crimes of violence, narcotics,

(01:36:07):
human trafficking, etc. IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents, along with
our state and local partners, will not allow financial crime
and immigration fraud to be hidden under the cloak of legitimacy.
With both law enforcement and financial investigation expertise, IRS Criminal
Investigations Special Agents are uniquely qualified to collaborate with our federal, state,

(01:36:31):
and local partners with these types of cases by following
the money. IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents work diligently with
our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners to hold
both business professional and the participatory law enforcement officials accountable.
Rooting out public corruption remains one of IRS Criminal investigations

(01:36:52):
highest priorities.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Folk this is crazy, Chandra could Trandra comp Fatail business
band and subway retrat owner Chad Doyle, Oakdale Police Chief
Michael Freck, Cis Slaney, Oakdale City Marshall Glenn Dixon, Forest
Hill Police Chief t Bow Omisha, a former police chief
of Glenn Mora. That's four chiefs. What the hell is

(01:37:21):
going on in Louisiana, Gustafa.

Speaker 13 (01:37:25):
Must be something in the water.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
Maybe they need to stop polluting the water down there,
and people won't lose their damn minds.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
But you know, you got pay to play.

Speaker 12 (01:37:32):
That's exactly what's going on in this situation. You know,
you break somebody off and then they take care of you,
so you know, and the other thing that happens in
this situation is when you got dirty cops, you got
bad cops. It makes it extremely difficult for those who
are trying to do the right thing to serve and
protect in an honorable way. So you know, you got

(01:37:54):
to lock folks up, you got to call it out,
you got to put a spotlight on it, because we
know that most folks have a real difficult time in
trusting whether it's the local cop who's walking the block
or a federal agent. So you just can't allow dirtiness
to be in the system.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
And these are indeed dirty cops, Avis.

Speaker 11 (01:38:15):
Absolutely, I mean it's corruption, classic corruption, and you know,
my hope is that they will get the fullest extent
of the law. But you know, we'll just have to see.
I mean, we will have to see. At this point,
I don't even know what to expect to happen at
the end of the day in this country anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
But let's hope that they will get the punishment that
they deserve. Michael Nolan Trump, He'll make them ice agents.

Speaker 10 (01:38:47):
And also, what's interesting when you have a justice department
like the United States has now under normal circumstances, the
Justice Department would obviously have an investigation to see if
it runs even deeper within those within those ranks. That's
clearly not going to happen. So again, unfortunate. But you know,

(01:39:10):
we keep saying Mustapha says that I said all the time,
rolling I've heard you says.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I've heard you say.

Speaker 10 (01:39:15):
Elections have consequences, and if people, if if folks are
not held accountable.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
This is the kind of stuff that happens.

Speaker 10 (01:39:22):
And we obviously you'll have to see this in certain
places around the country for.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
The next few years.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Absolutely, folks. Our last story was stay in Louisiana. Another
shoe has dropped in the hazing death of twenty three
year old Caleb McCrae. Something University has expelled Uh, the
Omega Soup Op fraternity chapter from their campus. Remember Caleb Wilson, Uh,
he was first of all. I'm sorry, Caleb Wilson. Caleb

(01:39:50):
Wilson was the twenty young man who was who died
after being Hayes. The university's Division Student Affairs found the
chapter responsible for violating the student Code of Conduct. As
a consequence of the investigation, the chapter has been removed
the list of recognized student organizations on campus. All fraternity
privileges have been revoked, and the chapter is required to

(01:40:13):
remove any physical markers such as benches, monuments, and plots
from the grounds of Southern University. Twenty three year old
Caleb mccraig has been charged with criminal hazing and manslaughter
in connection with Wilson's death and a Mega siff I
had already removed, had already moved and removed those individuals
involved in hazing as members of the organization. And so look,

(01:40:36):
when I was at the Alpha convention last week, I
had several brothers stop me and said, hey, man, we
appreciate your comments when it comes to hazing. And I said,
I don't care what it is. I said, I'll call
out any fraternity, whether it's mine or others, because the
reality is, we should not be sending young brothers and
sisters home and body bags because folks hayes and we'll

(01:40:56):
stop for you're in Alpha, Avis, You're an AKA, Michael,
you are in Omega, And the reality is, listen, all
of our organizations must take a hard stance. And anybody
who is a member, whether you are a undergrad or
you're a grad chapter, if you're hazing, I'm sorry, I
want your punk ass out of the organization because it's

(01:41:18):
all unacceptable. I'll go. I'll start with Mustapha first, Amis,
then Michael Mustapa go.

Speaker 13 (01:41:25):
It's real simple for me.

Speaker 12 (01:41:26):
If you love black people, you're not going to brutalize them.
If you love black people, love black.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
People, A yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 11 (01:41:38):
And I would just add and what's particularly disturbing to
me about this case, and oftentimes when this happens is
from someone who's not even at the damn campus anymore. Listen,
when you it just frustrates me that you have grown
ass men out here who apparently have nothing better to
do than to come and beat up young boys in college.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
That's a problem.

Speaker 11 (01:41:57):
And I hope that he finds that his family finds
justice with the person who did this to the full
sixtent of the law, because in addition to the whole
hazing aspect, that in and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Of itself, to me is particularly egregious.

Speaker 10 (01:42:15):
Michael obviously thoughts to the family and just plain wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:42:21):
It's just wrong and unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Absolutely, So we're going to end it there. Let me
thank Michael Avis and we'll stop for being on today's show. Folks,
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