Trump, Dem Leaders Met as Shutdown Looms, Biden-Era Grant Program Ends, Montell Jordan Health Battle

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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Also on today's show, Donald Trump, we'll be sitting down
and meet with Democratic Congression leaders as we are facing
an impending government shut down.

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They are shutting down a Biden era grant program meant
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is in a horrible idea and the continuation of Donald
Trump's attacks on diversity, equity inclusion in America. A white
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Speaker 2 (02:52):
Clock is taking on a potential government shutdown. It will
start twelve or one am on Wednesday, October first. Nowald
Trump is planning to sit down with Democrats. Remember last
week he trashed Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer, as well
as House Leader Hakim Jeffries saying was a waste of time,
but now he is going to do so.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
A GP bill to extend.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Current funding levels for seven weeks past the House earlier
this month, but phil in the Senate, where Republicans required
Democratic votes to get it passed. Democrats are insisting on
extending health care subsidies. Republicans oppose those they've been lying,
saying that Democrats want to give health care to undocumented workers.

(03:37):
Hakim jeffers Is said that is a lie, over and
over and over again. But before the meeting, Jeffrey stated
that their commitment is to fight rising health care costs.

Speaker 11 (03:50):
We are ready, we are willing, we are able.

Speaker 12 (03:55):
To find a bipartisan time forward and reaching a spending
agreement that actually keeps the government open but meets the
needs of the American people in terms of their health,
their safety, and their economic well being related to lowering
the high cost of living as opposed to allowing tens

(04:15):
of millions of Americans to experience dramatically increased health care costs.
What we will not do is support a partisan Republican
spending bill that continues to cut the health care of
the American people.

Speaker 13 (04:33):
Over the last several months, Republicans.

Speaker 12 (04:36):
Have created a healthcare crisis in the United States of America,
largest cut to Medicaid in American history, triggering the possibility
of a five hundred and thirty six billion dollar cut
to Medicare if Congress does not act because of what
happened with the One Big Ugly Bill, Republicans have refused

(04:57):
to extend the Affordable Care ACTI credits, and as a
result of that, millions of working class Americans are going
to experience skyrocketing premiums.

Speaker 13 (05:11):
Copays, and deductibles at a time.

Speaker 12 (05:13):
When America is already too expensive. Hospitals are closing, Nursing
homes are closing, Community based health centers are closing because
of what Republicans have.

Speaker 13 (05:30):
Done in their One Big Ugly Bill.

Speaker 12 (05:35):
The Centers for Disease Control are under attack in the
appropriation bill that Republicans have put forth in this month.

Speaker 13 (05:44):
The National Institute of Health.

Speaker 12 (05:46):
Under attack because of what Republicans have done in their
appropriations bill this month, and they're limiting the ability of
children and families to get vaccines. This is a five
alarm fire in terms of the Republican caused healthcare crisis,
and that's why Democrats are determined to turn things around.

Speaker 10 (06:12):
SCOTR.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Panels Scott Bulgen, attorney in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Nita Shannon, she's a former Georgistic representative.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Glad to have both of you here, Ranita, I want
to start with you. You understand, being a former lawmaker,
what these budget negotiations are all about. You see Republicans
continue to lie all I keep seeing Republicans saying Democrats
want to give health care to undocumented workers. Jefferson said, well,
that's against the law, So why do y'all keep lying?

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Absolutely, that is not what Democrats are reaching for. It's
not even something that's possible in the system because of
the amount of documentation that you have to put forward
in order to even be a part of these programs.
But look, at the end of the day, the Republicans
have the majority in both the House and the Senate,
so if they have a budget that they want to pass,
and they should be able to do it with their
own numbers. I really hope that Democrats will continue to

(07:03):
stand firm because reality is right now our government is
doing more harm by being opened than it would even
if it were shut down. So the Democrats definitely should
not agree to any sort of bill that is going
to help advance the current Trump agenda because it's brought
nothing but chaos to the country.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
If they want a certain bill, let them get it.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
The fact that they're having them work with Democrats and
pressuring Democrats to support the bill tells me that there's
division on their side.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's gods simple.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
If you need Democrats, you're going to have to negotiate.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
They just it's not going to be to sort of
a take and leave it.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And you've even had Republicans said, hell, why should Democrats
negotiate When Russ Vought, Trump's head of office at Management
and Budget could just blow off the deal anyway.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
And that's exactly what's going to happen. Parties are so
far apart. They're so far apart that somebody's got a blank.
The ompromisesn't there. It's the blink, if you will. And
so Trump can afford to blink because he's hurting his
own constituents no matter what, with these Medicaid cuts and

(08:11):
these rural hospitals, the very people that voted for So
he's more likely than not the Democrats aren't gonna blink
because they've got Medicaid and health care benefits on their side.
Even MAGA supporters, real voters support that, and so it'll
be interesting meeting. I think the fact that Trump came
off this position and he wasn't going to meet with

(08:33):
Republicans for before the shutdown is telling that he feels
the as a need for a meeting.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's simple negotiations.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
The reality is, though Donald Trump has shut this government
down before, has he learned anything from Trump won?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
We'll see.

Speaker 11 (08:49):
I think the Republicans take the hit.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I think Trump takes the hit.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
You couple this with the economics of his tariffs and
the rising of prices in our food store and it's
only going to continue to rise, and the loreing of
the louring of h employment in this country.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
You've got a formula.

Speaker 11 (09:09):
For economic disaster calls directly by this president.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and Nita, I mean listen, I you know I
had Ashley Antia and last week saying, hey, the Democrats
aren't not going to per sebing for this.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
My whole dealer is shut it down, make them own it.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
And again they control everything, and if they are not
going to negotiate, don't buckle, don't bend, don't fold.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Absolutely, and at the end of the day, I can
tell you from personal experience, Republicans don't ever negotiate unless
it is to your unless they are sacrificing the Democrats.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's what their negotiations look like.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
So Democrats go to the table and they say, hey,
we're going to find a bipartisan compromise, And all that
ends up happening is Republicans force Democrats to negotiate at
the events of their constituents. It's never the other way around. So,
like I said before, Republicans have majorities in both chambers,
they don't need Democrats for anything. They technically have enough
votes within their the number of folks who are elected.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, well, what has actually related in the Senate, Well, no,
that they need sixty votes. They don't need cloture in
they don't have sixty in the Senate.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
They don't need it for budget bills. Budget bills have
time already allocated. The only time you need culture in
the Senate is when a bill has no set time
for debate. Budget bills don't They already have set time
for debate, So they don't even need cloture in the Senate.
This is more of what always happens at every level
of government, whether you're talking about the federal government or
the state government, which is that Democrats feel this overwhelming

(10:46):
need to sit here and try to support Republicans or
and I want to say support, but I will say
to try to work with them, because they don't want
it to be said that the government is shut down.
But like you said before, they should do just like
what happened with Bill Clinton when the Republicans couldn't get
their stuff together and the government shut down and everybody
knew whose.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Fault it was.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, Scott again, I just think that this is one
of those things where Democrat have the message very hard
and must stay strong and must send the message and
making it clear to the public what their demands are.
What are they demanding in exchange for their votes.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, there's a delay coming on my end, but I
think you're ready for me to talk.

Speaker 14 (11:36):
They're they're fighting for Medicaid, they're fighting for health care,
they're fighting for economic rights for not just Democrats but
Republicans as well as independence.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
They got to make that clear. And remember this is
the Trump government. He controls all three houses. Whether you
need cloth future or not. In the Senate, the Republicans,
because they own all three houses, going to have to
own this, right, and this is going to be building.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
This is just part of the.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
Building block, right because in about six months, when prices
skyrocket because of tariffs and the government's closed down and
they're driving unemployment, because they're going to not only shut
the government down, but then the other thing they're going
to do is.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
Fire hole a bunch of other people. You're looking at
an economic mess.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
And I didn't take microeconomics at more macro.

Speaker 11 (12:26):
But that's more than enough to show.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
You you're looking at an economic disaster driven by it
not just Trump's resistance to doing a deal with the Democrats,
but also because of his tariffs, and so I think
the Dems have an upper hand. I wouldn't buckle. I
may negotiate. I might give on a few minor things
that don't touch me or hurt me at all.

Speaker 11 (12:48):
But I'd come out with my talking points and.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
I would I would cover the airwaves, black newspapers, white newspapers.
Our message would be no more clear on the first
day of the them and shuts down. So now you
got your message, You got your messengers. You gotta failing economy,
and you're making Trump and the Republicans own it based
on their own economic espionage with tariffs coupled with wanting

(13:14):
to take health care and Medicare and Medicaid from Americans.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's a great political equation to win at.

Speaker 11 (13:23):
I bet on that if I were with them, they
just got a hold strong.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
They gotta not bend.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
They can blink slightly, but don't bend, and don't blink
yourself out of a political gimme if you will. A
year before or less than a year before the twenty
six midterms, this is setting up perfect for them.

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The coteam would tack on diversity, equity inclusion by Donald
Trump and his magaminions continues. This time of Department of
Education cutting a Biden era grant that focus on expanding
race first of rich representation in classes Kate through twelve
Folks school districts from Anchorage, Alaska, from back Rouge, Louisiana,

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or Miami Dade, along with other places. They were expected
to finish out their grants with the millions of dollars
still lived to support urban districts. However, the Department of
Education is now withdrawn the funding. Kayla Patrick Callaway, a
senior fellow of the Century Foundation, is here to Jorge's
right now.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Kayla, glad to have you here.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
First and foremost, Kayla, how much money we're talking about?

Speaker 18 (16:34):
So we were talking about at least twenty two million
dollars that the grantees were still owed from the federal
Department of Education. They had planned and expected around that money,
and now that money is no longer available to them.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
And again, what was the money being used for?

Speaker 18 (16:54):
So this was a locally driven strategy, So it was
for fostering school diversity rather that be socioeconomic diversity or
racial diversity.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
We know those two things are often linked.

Speaker 18 (17:06):
So districts, we're using innovative strategies to engage families and
community members. We had one grantee engage over twenty thousand
parents in their district to come up with a plan
for school diversity. Lots of the grants that were canceled
that you just mentioned, including New York and Alaska, we're
bringing in advanced coursework, art classes, things that they wouldn't

(17:28):
otherwise have the funding to support, in order to entice
students and parents to come to schools that they wouldn't
otherwise go to. And they were seeing success over the
last two years and bringing more diversity into their schools.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And clearly for Trump folks, they look give a damn
by diversity.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
They don't care, it.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Would seem though, right. So they are canceling these grants.

Speaker 18 (17:53):
They're not asking educators, they aren't asking parents what they want.
These districts raise their hand that we want this money
to do this work, and the Federal Department of Education
didn't ask them what they were doing or how they
were spending the money before they canceled these grants.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So what's next for these school districts? What do they do?

Speaker 18 (18:16):
I think some districts are scrambling as we speak to
figure that out. So some districts are saying they're going
to find the money elsewhere. We know that school districts
are already strapped. They don't have enough money. As it is.
We weren't doing what we should be doing in terms
of funding or fully funding schools across the country, and
so some districts are saying they're going to look for
money elsewhere. Unfortunately, that won't be the case for all

(18:39):
of these grantees. Some of these programs will no longer exist.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And look, we're seeing this all across the board. And
as I've said from the outset, what they wanted to
do is they desperately want to defund Black America. They
are attacking anything that deals with diversity. They do not care.
What these folks want to see is a white America.
When they say make America great again, they mean make

(19:06):
America largely white again.

Speaker 18 (19:10):
We're also saying that you know already we're not doing
great in terms of school diversity. We are seeing schools
be as segregated as they were in the sixties, and
then without the federal government intervening, that could just get worse.
We've seen it get worse over the last decade or so.
We've seen great strides in the nineties, graduation rates were higher,

(19:31):
academic achievement was higher, and school diversity was at its
highest rate.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
And so now you're pulling the rug from.

Speaker 18 (19:38):
Under these districts and making them scramble to figure out
how to continue programs that we know make a difference
for students, and particularly black students in this country.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Questions from the panel, what even your first.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Yeah, I know from personal experience. I grew up in
Saint Petersburg, Florida, and then in the eighth grade, my
dad had our family moved to Lakeland, Florida, and when
we got there, a lot of the schools were, as
you say, just as segregated as in the sixties, and
so they got federal grants to they got busted by
the federal government the Lakeland Public School System, and a

(20:14):
part of the fix to make them, to make them
desegregate their schools was to actually set up bussing programs
that would take kids like myself who lived in predominantly
black neighborhoods and bust them thirty minutes away to schools
that were not in their neighborhoods. Do you know if
any of the money that is included in that the
money that was that's being rescinded now or not going

(20:35):
to be given will have anything to do with busing students,
I mean, because this could really just be a major
upheaval for students when you're talking about having, you know,
if they're not able to get transportation to the school
that they have already been attending.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's the middle of the school year.

Speaker 18 (20:50):
It is the middle of the school year, so that's
critically important.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
We're in September.

Speaker 18 (20:54):
These districts have already planned for the next school year,
and they were making plans to spend this money. And
so we see a few of these districts will have
said that they have six to ten staffers that they
will no longer be able to support because this money
is no longer available to them. I don't know of
any districts using the money for bussing, but I do
know that districts have been reevaluating transportation plans. We have

(21:18):
one grantee that hadn't had an evaluation of district lines
or transportation in thirty years, and in that particular state,
the state was giving them less money because their bus
routes were inefficient. So what they were doing was talking
to parents and families to figure out how to create
some efficiency with their bus routes and at the same

(21:39):
time create more school diversity. And so they will no
longer be able to do that work because they no
longer have access to these dollars.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
Scott, Yeah, thank you for joining us to sevening. I
guess my question is, whenever budgets get tight, whenever we
lose funding. With my clients, I always talk to them
about alternatives alternative funding. Right, Are there state grants or
state moneys that can replace these moneys for these school districts.

(22:10):
Are their private donations, private foundations, private trust if you will,
that the administration or those school districts could tap to
fill in the blank, if you will, to.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Fill in for this loss.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
It sounds these diversity programs found like not only are
they preparing their students to.

Speaker 11 (22:26):
Deal with diversity right now, but also to go out into.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
The world and to the country right and how they
shape their socioeconomic view towards the country and the world. Literally,
it just seems like such an invaluable program. Any alternative
fundings that these districts can can tap into or try
to to until we can either get these grants back
somebody's files a lawsuit or just to permanently replace them

(22:52):
because of the value.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
ROI, I think you're exactly right.

Speaker 18 (22:59):
I think school diversity is critically important, and public education
is important because it builds a foundation for turn alongside
each other and become in work in diverse communities eventually,
and it's the foundation of our democracy. So it's critically
important that we create diverse school environments.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I am not aware of any.

Speaker 18 (23:21):
Private dollars that will are to this date are funding
school diversity efforts. I think it is a moment for
states to step up and say, hey, this is important.
I've heard some districts say that their district leadership is
going to continue this work, and that's excellent, But every
district isn't able to do that work, especially in our
districts that are already underfunded at the state level. And

(23:43):
so it's time to really call on our leaders to
invest in strategies that we know our research back then
we know that work.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Think you're all right and well again, I just keep
telling people this is what we say.

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Just have consequences.

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And for the folks who chose not to vote Vice
President Kamala Harris and whoever stayed at home and supported
Donald Trump. Well, here you go, yep, and this is
what happens, cayleb. We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much.

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In Chicago regarding his work.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
He posted this the other day that caught my attention,
so I love it when he clapsed back on haters.

Speaker 26 (28:50):
Why do you think you are struggling? You and the
city council collectively struggling to make these committee assignments. I
spoke to all the men today.

Speaker 27 (28:59):
He said.

Speaker 26 (28:59):
One of the problems is your your office is not
speaking with enough, Alderman, you limited this negotiation to the
Latino and Black caucuses, and these discussions should start soon.

Speaker 10 (29:10):
We told you that, okay, element said it should okay.

Speaker 28 (29:15):
So someone said that I'm not speaking to all members
of the different caucuses that are represented here.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
That's just dishonest.

Speaker 27 (29:22):
Is it true of this reorganization.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
It's not true.

Speaker 28 (29:26):
We speak with with We speak with all of the
different interested parties that recognize that our number one priority
right now is to build the safest, most affordable big
city in America. Look, let's just walk through the record
here for a second.

Speaker 27 (29:42):
Paid time off.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was a promise.

Speaker 23 (29:45):
We made it.

Speaker 10 (29:46):
We did it.

Speaker 28 (29:47):
Abolishing the sub minimum wage a promise we made it.

Speaker 10 (29:51):
We did it.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Right.

Speaker 28 (29:55):
Ensuring that we have green social housing, it's a promise.
You did it, ADUs promise, you made it. You did it.
This agreement with Jackson Park and individuals who could be
impacted by gentrification, we made a commitment.

Speaker 10 (30:13):
We did it right.

Speaker 28 (30:15):
Every single promise that I put forward to ensure that
we build the safest, most affordable big city in America,
we're accomplishing it.

Speaker 10 (30:23):
We had an historic action.

Speaker 28 (30:24):
Today where over two hundred years collectively of time in
prison jail. We were able to settle that case. No
other administration the history of Chicago has been able to
accomplish that. The one point two five billion dollar bond
investment to build more affordable homes and economic development. We
have an airport that is breaking records every day, Hotel

(30:47):
occupacy is up, tourism is up, ridership and our trains
are up, and violence is down.

Speaker 10 (30:54):
I mean, I hear you. But government is still functioning.

Speaker 28 (30:58):
Look, there's a lot of work for to do, but
you can't sleep on the fact that our investments. Oh
I should have mentioned mental health and behavioral health service
as well. The investments that we have put forth based
upon promises that we have made for communities that have
been historically neglected for decades. We are fulfilling those promises
and so on the process of this reorganization. As long

(31:19):
as there is a commitment to allow for this agenda
to be moved forward, then I think that's the most
important thing here.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Now, folks.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
The late is Donald Trump has sent federal law enforcement
to the streets of Chicago all Just yesterday you saw
massive numbers of cops moving on Michigan Avenue holding their guns.
Other parts of Chicago. This is about the folks with
this really is about this is all about being a
television show. Now, this video here got lots of attention.

(31:52):
They were trying to chase down this delivery driver on
his bicycle. Well guess what they were little slow of foot.
He was able to get away. Talking about looking like idiots,
and so that's all this is. Here's another example of
how they have been swarming folks. They in fact, one
reporter posted how they were attacking reporters, firing pepper spray

(32:17):
and rubber bullets at them. And so we've seen these
officers acting really in an extremely aggressive, aggressive manner. Today,
may Or Brandon Johnson addressed Donald Trump sending these cops
in the streets of Chicago and here we go.

Speaker 28 (32:37):
Thank you, Governor, and good afternoon everyone, Good afternoon. I'm
grateful to all of the elected leaders here, the community,
business and faith leaders that are joining us today. Many
Chicagoans were shocked and appalled to see videos of heavily armed,
masked federal agents in our streets yesterday. The reality is

(32:57):
that this stunt has nothing to do with public safety.
This is about politics, money, and power. The president is
using his militarized force, the exact way he intended to
advance his political goals. He wants to militarize our cities,
whether that's through ice or through the National Guard or

(33:19):
the United States Army or armed forces. He wants to
provoke conflict so that he can use this as a
pretext to send even more federal agents into our city.
What we saw yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Families, visitors.
Everyday Chicagoans were out and joining our city and they

(33:42):
were met with dozens of heavily armed federal agents aiming
to strike fear in our communities. They targeted street vendors
and construction workers just trying to make an honest living.
They made a little girl act as a translator as
they took her family into custody. These are heartbreaking scenes

(34:06):
that have nothing to do with making our city safer.
My question to these masked, heavily armed individuals is simple,
what could you possibly need an automatic weapon for. The
only plausible explanation is that their aim is not to
carry out their duties, but instead strike fear in our communities.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
If you are following the law, if.

Speaker 28 (34:32):
You are in accordance with the constitution, if you have
a criminal warrant, then there is no reason to cover
your face. This comes on the heels of the revelation
that was reported on MSNBC that Tom Homan, the so
called Borders are accepted a fifty thousand dollars bribe from

(34:53):
undercover FBI agents in exchange for lucrative detention center contracts.
So let's call it what it is. Tom Hoeman sold
out the American people for fifty thousand dollars in cash.
That's why I'm calling on the federal government to appoint
an independent investigator to review every single contract in the

(35:13):
City of Chicago, the county, and the state related to
any ice detention centers. The people have a right to
know if these contracts are legitimate or if they were
granted as a result of outright bribery and corruption. As
of last week, seventy two percent of those held in
ice detention have no criminal record, and of those with

(35:36):
the criminal record, many are for traffic violations and misdemeanors.
The Trump administration's detention campaign is not for public safety.

Speaker 8 (35:46):
It is for profit.

Speaker 28 (35:48):
More than ninety percent of the immigration detention centers are
run by private, for profit corporations. The Trump administration has
already engaged in no bid contracts with private prison contractors
across the United States.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Executives at private.

Speaker 28 (36:07):
Prison firms are calling this a gold rush, as their
stocks have soared by as much as eighty percent. In May,
the CEO of a private prison corporation told investors this
is a quote truly one of the most exciting periods
in the history of the company. One company estimated that

(36:28):
they could make as much as four hundred million dollars
of taxpayer money per year from private detention. Another said
that it could make as much as a billion dollars
in addition an additional revenue. The two largest private prison
corporations gave President Donald Trump at least two point eight

(36:49):
million dollars for his re election campaign. And this is
the agency that Trump and Republicans just handed one hundred
and seventy billion dollars a blank check with little to
no oversight. The money that Republicans gave to ICE is more.
There's more funding given to ICE in this last budget

(37:13):
that has been allocated for police departments at state and
local governments in all fifty states, including the District of
Columbia combined. Let me say that again, Trunt gave his
personal militarized force more money than all other local and
state police funding combined, and the guy they put in

(37:34):
charge of that funding was bought for fifty thousand dollars
in cash. They are lining their own pockets and the
pockets of the executives of small number corporations to a
small number of corporations. I spoken with parents in Pilson
Little Village, spoken to business owners on Devon Street, elders
in Uptown who are too scared to take their children

(37:55):
to school. We're losing business, and two of afraid to
even attend church because of their legal status. They're afraid
of the reckless actions that they have seen. This is
not being tough or patriotic to throw a crying mother

(38:16):
to the floor who just wanted to be reunited with
her children. It's abominal. It's not law and order to
body slam a seventy nine year old business owner, an
American citizen, for trying to produce the papers of his employees.
And there's nothing brave about firing pepper bullets with chemical

(38:37):
agents at a Chicago CBS reporter for simply showing up
to do her job. Greg Bovino who spends countless taxpayer
dollars on TikTok videos of himself, was in charge of
the operation in Los Angeles where a fifteen year old kid,
an American citizen with disabilities, was handcuffed and held at

(38:58):
gunpoint by ice. His family is now suing. By the
time this is over, there will be hundreds of millions
of dollars of taxpayer dollars wasted in settlements related to
the excessive use of force and the unconstitutional actions of
this administration. So again, let'spect this is very clear. This
is not about public safety, This is not even about immigration.

(39:19):
This is a continuation of the Trump administration's war on
the poor. They have cut food assistance, they have cut medicaid,
they have cut violence prevention funding. They have made life
harder and more dangerous for poor and working people across
this country. They have declared war on poor, on behalf
of the ultra rich, and so they can simply funnel
our tax dollars to a small handful of billionaires.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
So we have to make sure that we.

Speaker 28 (39:44):
Continue to show our support for the people of this
city and for this country, and closing at a time
when we are cutting hundreds of millions of dollars from
health care, public health, housing, and defunding public education, manufacturing austerity.
I'll say that plainly, the Trump administration is worsening poverty

(40:06):
at the same time as declaring war on the poor.
This is an untrustworthy, corrupt, and out of control administration
that is doing everything in their power to foment chaos
in our cities, whether it's in Portland, Los Angeles, or Chicago.
We cannot accept the militarization of our cities. We will
continue to stand united as a city, as a county,

(40:27):
as a state, and local villages to reject any attempts
to militarize our cities. I want to be very clear
what we saw this Sunday is not unique. As the
Governor is indicated. This is happening in villages like Broadview
and other places across this country. And so we have
to make sure that this is not the last time
we express our unified voice to ensure that we protect

(40:47):
the interests of all people. And with that I will
turn it over to our Attorney.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
General again, the mayor speaking to these federal ICE agents
being on the streets there in Chicago. Donald Trump has
said he's sending National Guard to Memphis. They also National
Guard to Oregon.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
And what this all.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
About is simple again, this authoritarian regime, That's what it
boils down to Scott. It's nothing more than that. What
they want is the TV show he wants. He wants
to convince people that America is under siege. And what
he's doing is concocting BS reasons.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
The only place that he can declare any emergency and
immediately take action is in Washington, d C. But he's
trust coming up and making up other reasons in other
parts of the country.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, and he's doing it, and he's doing it through ICE.
He's doing it through.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
ICE, not necessarily the National Guard, because he knows he
can't win by sending the National Guard in there.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
So even your.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Videos showed your videos showed ICE Border Patrol.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Who are flooding these cities.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
And you know, I had an epiphany yesterday doing the football.
They were running ICE ads to recruit people, and they
were saying, come join our force to put bad people,
violent people, violent criminals, rapists, murders, and the worst of
the worst.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Out of this country.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
And what I realized is they've trained ICE to do
just that with violent criminals, right, But the reality is
that's not who they're putting out of their country. That
group is. It may be here or not here, but
they're putting everybody out, and they're aggressively putting that out
because that's how they're training them.

Speaker 29 (42:42):
That's why you get the mask, because they argue that
these are these are drug gangs and violent gangs, and
they they they don't need to know our face and
will be we'll be subject to assassination attempts.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
They've created this violent and narrative.

Speaker 11 (42:58):
Through words, but then through actions.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
And video in these cities so that America who's not
in these big cities looks and says.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Boy, we need that police force there.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Look at all the violent criminals that they're arresting.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
They're not arresting violent criminals.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
They're arresting people who came here illegally and are waiting
on their hearings. And look at the amount of energy
and vigor behind them.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It's all made up. It's all made up.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
If you will and so and so, you have the video,
you have the verbal narrative, and you have the president
on TV every day talking about the progress we're making
and these are bad dudes.

Speaker 11 (43:41):
And these are bad people, but it's all a lie.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
At least the.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Majority of it isn't a lie. If they're violent, get
them out of the country. Most Dems and Republicans will
agree with that. These are hardworking people in the fields
of California and Texas. These are people making widgets and
computer parts because as these big companies who they're rating
are recruiting.

Speaker 11 (44:04):
Them in Central and South America.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
We he talked about that.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
I've seen ads and billboards in Central and South America,
in Mexico to recruit people to come to the US
by hook or crk to work in these factories and
work in these organizations and these firms. And so you know,
it's amazing how America just doesn't get it.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Like we talk about this every day.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
I'd say the press covers the dichotomy of this every day,
in the hypocrisy of it. And yet and still his
numbers go down on the economy, his numbers are down
on immigration because nobody likes the video of the young
girl being pushed to the ground or the seventy nine
year old business owner who's just trying to talk to them.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, no, not not and abused. Scott, You're wrong. Well, no,
you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Actually no, not, you're wrong. His right wing loves song
about it. I mean, Rinina, you look, no, no, no
follow me here. You look on social media, his right
wings of Scott You said, nobody likes to see the
woman being pushed down. What I am saying is his
maga folk they do what you're seeing the attack. When

(45:19):
you're seeing the pushing down, the beating, the shooting of
rubber bullets, Rinita, his people love this. They are posted
on social media, this is exactly what we voted for.
And this is what I'm saying. What he is doing
is he is feeding frankly, law enforcement porn to these people,
and Rinita, they are eating it up and they're saying, absolutely,

(45:43):
this is what we voted for, and so they love it,
and so they don't care if oh, he lied about
only taking on violent criminals.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Because here's the deal. He didn't just say violent criminals.
He said, we're.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Gonna take all eleven million out, but every single one
of these Latinos and every single one of these African
immigrants who.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Supports Donald Trump. Guess what, he don't want none of
y'all here.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
And that's really true, he said, he was going to
take criminals out. And what people have to understand is,
to the gop MAGA folks, anybody who is not a
US citizen in this country, that automatically makes them a criminal,
whether they have legal documentation to be here or not.
And that is what he is executing.

Speaker 20 (46:29):
Now.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
My comments are about Mayor Brandon Johnson. I love Mary
Brandon Johnson. I have never met him up personally, but
he is somebody who folks really need to look and
follow his work because he is somebody in a time
where many are saying, where are the leaders wire Democrats
doing anything? He is somebody who is not just giving
big speeches, but he is taking action. He's always clear eyed,

(46:49):
he always keeps his constituents at the center of his policies.
He came in with a clear vision to reduce police
budgets and to reinvest the money into the communities in
chicag and it's worked to reduce crime. I love the
fact that he's already said that if ICE agents come
in and they are violating people's civil liberties, he will
have them arrested. That is what a mayor should be doing.

(47:11):
He has done everything that he could. He kept the
national guard out of the city. I mean this guy.
In my opinion, the Democrats should not be talking about
Gavin Newsom for president. They should be looking at Mayor
Brandon Johnson. And before anybody says well we can't have
somebody go from mayor to president, they try to repeat
boodag edge and they're still currently trying it with him
even though he pulls at zero.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Well, I just want people to understand, well, understand what's
going on here. That is what Donald Trump is doing.
It's he wants the nightly TV show. That's why Ice
Barbie Christy Nolm keeps dressing up. Scott mentioned those commercials
you have been seeing on television. That was a two
hundred million dollar ad by That was federal taxpayer money spent,

(47:57):
and that was rewarding media firms and conservative right wing
media with those dollars. That's what they have been doing.
All right, folks, going to go to a break, we
come back. I was on social media and his white
pastor really just broke down what we're seeing right now
with this white Christian nationalism.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I'm going to show you what he had.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
To say and talk to him next right here on
Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 15 (48:28):
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And on the Power to Persist podcasts, I bring that
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Speaker 17 (48:58):
They said the quiet part out loud. Black votes are
a threat, so they erased them. After the Supreme Court
gutted the Voting Rights Act in twenty thirteen, Republican legislatures
moved fast new voter id laws, polling place shutdowns, purges
of black voters from the rolls. Trump's Justice Department didn't
stop it. They joined in. In twenty eighteen, his DOJ

(49:22):
backed Ohio's voter purge system, a scheme that disproportionately erased
Black voters. Their goal erase Black votes and political power.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
Yeah, that happened.

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Speaker 2 (49:52):
Michael McMillan, president and CEO of the Urban League of
Metropolitan Saint Louis, and you are watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Pastor Cody Deese in Middleton, Georgia, the Church's Viking Lakes Church,
spoke about what's happened we're seeing right now with the
hijacking of Christianity, and it's happening all around. We saw
this with the Charlie Kirk memorial service. You know, all
of these different Christian singers and others, and all of

(50:29):
you been seeing.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Is this this.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Whole notion of that we're in a Christian revival and
Christianity is under attack. You had the right wing who
lied over the weekend when Penn State and Oregon had
a football game and they claimed that one hundred thousand
people in the stadium were wearing Charlie Kirk freedom shirts.
When that was the case. It was a whiteout game
at Penn State. Hasse every single year. But you're seeing this,

(50:53):
and you're seeing this constant idea that well, he was
a Christian and he was advancing Christians more Christian morals,
values and principles, even though a lot of it was
right wing hate and so I saw this on Instagram,
and I said, man, I said, we need to share
this with our audience, because we've been sharing many of

(51:13):
these messages that have been coming from preachers, mostly African
American preachers, all across the country.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
But I want to share this.

Speaker 23 (51:22):
Let's just look at this. Jesus defeated death so you
can live. Doctor King was an awful human being. Civil
rights was a huge mistake. Let's just sit those side
by side, because that came from the mouth of the
same individual. Now you start to see the exterior being
a mirror to the interior. Let's go one more, two more.

(51:49):
He said, quote, I believe in the Bible, and I
believe that Christians rose or christ rose from the dead
on the third Day. He said, this is the foundation
of my faith and it guides my actions.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
Unquote. Hold it.

Speaker 23 (52:08):
He also said, let's hold it side by side. Black
women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously.
You have to go steal a white person's slot unquote.
Now I want to pause here and say, for the
critics who say you're pulling stuff out of context, two things. One,
I'm happy I just don't have time today. Happy to

(52:30):
give you the full context. To the full context does
not change the fact that this is racism. Okay, So
let's hold those a bat let Just one more here,
one more okay.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Quote.

Speaker 23 (52:46):
I want to be remembered for courage, for my faith.
That would be the most important thing for me when
I die.

Speaker 9 (52:53):
Unquote hold that one more quote quote.

Speaker 23 (53:01):
I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately
some gun deaths every single year so that we can
have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights.

Speaker 9 (53:15):
Let's just put those right beside each other.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Now.

Speaker 23 (53:21):
If this makes you uncomfortable, I would invite you to
pause for a minute and think about how uncomfortable this
makes our people of color feel.

Speaker 9 (53:31):
And what I want to say to you is.

Speaker 23 (53:34):
If these quotes that Jesus defeated death so you can
live by Charlie Kirk and doctor King was an awful
human being and civil rights with a huge mistake. If
these feel incompatible, it's because they are.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
These quotes are not compatible with each other.

Speaker 23 (53:51):
And I also would like to say they're not compatible
with the teachings and way of Jesus. And what you
see in this moment this week in American history is
you see the twisting of the truth. And this isn't new.

(54:14):
The colonizers who came to America said they were Christians.
The KKK said they were Christians. There have been mass
shooters whose profiles said they were Christians. There were insurrectionists
on January sixth who flew Christian paraphernalia.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
They claimed to be Christians. There were check this out.

Speaker 23 (54:39):
So if you know this slave owners who claim to
be Christian. And what I want to say is I
can no longer as a pastor, as a human, and
as someone who's given their life to the Way of Jesus.
I can no longer stand as Christianity gets hijacked by

(55:05):
a particular agenda that is not the way of Jesus.
I cannot stand by as a Christian and watch Christ's
name get hijack to further justify hate, racism, bigotry, misogyny,
and white supremacy. I believe the path of Jesus is

(55:32):
the path of generosity, nonviolence, caring for the poor, the vulnerable,
the oppressed, and the marginalized. And part of what I
hope comes out of this moment in American history is
that maybe, and this is my prayer, maybe what we're

(55:52):
seeing is that all of this is surfacing so that
we can begin to see just how much the name
of Christ has been twisted.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
In turn.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Pastor Cody des joins us right now from Georgia. Pastor,
glad to have you here. And look, I was so
happy to see this because what I have said consistently,
and I was talking Reverend Jim Wallace about this, a
lot of black preachers have been speaking on this and

(56:32):
what we are seeing with what Joe Walsh, former MAGA congressman,
longtime friend Charlie Kirk, he said, absolutely white Christian nationalism.
This is not about Jesus. This is not about what
Jesus preached about. This is not about the teachings of Jesus.
But this is is in essence the more majority two

(56:54):
point zero on steroids.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
This is what.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Paul Wyrick and Derry Folwell and others wanted to do.
And frankly, being a white preacher, I thought it was
even more important to hear that from you because too
many white preachers have been silent.

Speaker 23 (57:15):
Yeah, thanks, Roland. I think it is a crucial, crucial
message that needs to be said right now and a
part of my story, Roland, just so you know is
I came out of that moral majority type movement. My
father was a Southern Baptist pastor. I got my undergrad

(57:36):
from Jerry Folwell's University, Liberty University. So I am a
product of someone who has been raised and conditioned to
see the world in a particular way. And then over
the years I begin to evolve, grow up. My own
consciousness began to expand. I began to encounter real human

(57:57):
beings that were different than me. And in that process,
I began to realize that a lot of what I
was raised to believe and what I was raised to
see Jesus as did not match what I was encountering
in the world around me. And it didn't match what
I was encountering when I read the scriptures itself, from

(58:19):
the prophets in the Old Testament, all the way through
to this revolutionary, subversive Jesus, all the way through to
the Book of Revelation, where John of pat Moss is
writing some of the most subversive literature in the context
of the first century Roman Empire that has ever been written.

(58:41):
And when you read those things as a person like
me who has given their life to the way of Jesus,
studied the scriptures. I graduated from Candler School of Theology,
so I've been educated from people who saw this long
before I did. But your eyes began to open up
and begin to expand, and you begin to realize, oh,
my God, especially me, I have a social intersection that

(59:06):
is crucial to be able to speak to my own
family members. Sometimes you need to disturb the family tech feed.
Sometimes there needs to be some conflict, and everybody you
know seems to be uncomfortable around conflict. But one of
the things I've learned is conflict sometimes is the doorway.

(59:30):
It is the path that can actually lead us to
greater transformation.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You know, I watched Texas Congress and Troy Nils say
in a congressional hearing that if Charlie Kirk was living
in biblical era, he would.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Have been the thirteenth Disciple.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I saw the Cardinal A Dolan in of New York say, oh.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
He was, he was. He was like the Apostle Paul.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
He was a saint, and he just made people uncomfortable.
But you read what Charlie Kirk said, uh, and you
read direct quotes. And what's been amazing is to watch
people say, even some black.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Folks say, oh, they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Said these things about him, and I went back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I listened to what he actually.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Said, and it's been taken out of context, and you
didn't understand the nuance and and and so you was
just the people y'all are y'all are pushing this sort
of stuff. And I'm sitting there going, do you act
like we don't have ears and we don't have eyes
and we did not hear exactly what we heard.

Speaker 23 (01:00:35):
Mm hmm, Yeah, there's no question. I call that. Here's
the thing. Call it whatever you want, uh, sanitized racism,
call it rebranded racism. But as a white male, let
me just speak to any other white males that are
listening or white people that are listening in general. We're

(01:00:56):
not fooling anyone, and we're not fooling ourselves. And I
know because I was raised and conditioned to see the
world a particular way. I know what my ears are hearing,
and you can place all the context you want around it.
Someone said to me recently, Pastor he did not say
quote black women. You're right, he called specifically for black women,

(01:01:20):
one of which was Michelle Obama, and these educated black
women as who was talking about and in the context,
it doesn't change. And until we can come to a
place where we acknowledge that rebranded, sanitized polite racism is

(01:01:45):
still racism. And the great Franciscan priest Richard Rohre says
it like this. He says, you cannot heal what you
do not acknowledge. And this is why it's so imperative
when I see things like this administration in Trump and
Maga pushing to remove images of slavery from museums. We're regressing,

(01:02:08):
we're moving backwards, and he knows what he's doing. This
administration knows what they're doing. And I'm learning more and
more that what this is underneath, what it is, is
white supremacy. And a part of the reason, perhaps many
of these leaders, these white male leaders, part of the

(01:02:28):
reason many of them are kicking and screaming and putting
out the dog whistles, and I'm getting them, God knows,
the people of color are getting them. Part of the
reason I believe that's happening is because they are so
terrified of one word equality, equality, yep, and what what
is he feels like oppression to them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I'm gonna say you, I'm going to send you my
producers will get your address. I want to see you
in my book White Fear, How of Americas making white
folk lose their minds? And the reason I chose that
title and people that was some there was some TV
produce that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Was actually is a network.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
African American Who's who's a broad broadcast a show host?

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
And who wanted to have me on the show. But
it was like, oh, my producers are uncomfortable with your title.
And I said, well, I actually write about those very
producers in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
And I said, man, because I saw what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Was happening, and what's been driving me crazy is I
saw this in two thousand and nine. It was and
we're speaking prophetically about it. And I said, what we're facing?
And I literally said, I remember John Avlon and I
were CNN. We were working there together. He's down in
Congress and I said, John, we are we are in
the in the beginning stages of white minority resistance. He

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was like what I said, John, I'm telling you. I said,
we're becoming a nation of people of color. Then when
you see the advancement of the great replacement theory, then
when you see the attacks on undocumented workers, Oh, they
were placing us, they're taking our jobs, we're losing our
way of life, and you're seeing all of it. You
hear the phrases, you hear the language, and what it's

(01:04:09):
about is it is literally about, oh my god, America's changing.

Speaker 12 (01:04:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
These same maga people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Pastor, I'm now seeing them complain and I'm seeing their
post on social media. I'm seeing them now complain about
people of color in France and other European nations. One
person posted, when I go to Paris, I don't want
to see all of these Muslims and Africans on the street.

(01:04:37):
I'm like, well, you do know they have immigration there,
and you do know that the white population, they are
seeing a decrease in fertility rates in European nations. And
when Elon Musk is tweeting about fertility and Charlie Kirk,
just two before he was shot and killed, was on
Lauren Ingram show complaining about white fertility as well. This

(01:04:58):
is literally about white people in America being scared to
death that they no longer are going to be the majority.

Speaker 23 (01:05:06):
Yeah, I want to see your book. That sounds fantastic.
And I would also add part of the reason and
part of the way, I would say that they're bolstering
this grasp at white power and white supremacy. Is not new.
Some of this has been going on for years. Honestly,
the merging of Empire and Christianity can go all the

(01:05:29):
way back to, you know, somewhere around three twelve with
Emperor Constantine, and there's a lot of scholarship that argues
that that's where Christian nationalism kind of has its early roots.
But you can trace it from there. And what you
see right now is a president who might i add,
does not care about Christianity. This president doesn't care about Christianity.

(01:05:53):
Trump cares about Trump, Trump cares about power, Trump cares
about a authority, and Trump cares about self preservation and
the idea that my own family evangelicals used to teach
over and over and over again, be careful, it's a

(01:06:15):
slippery slope. They would say, make sure that the message
of Jesus, the narrow path, the way of Christ, doesn't
get co opted by the far left. And they would
warn us about CNN, they would warn us about the
liberals at the university, and all along while they were
demonizing this other side. All along, their plan was to

(01:06:40):
collect as much power as they possibly can, because that
is what Christian nationalism is essentially. It is trying to
make America a Christian nation by force. And what I
would like to say is America is not a Christian nation.
You can go back to its origins. It's not a
Christian nation. It is a nation with Christians and is
a Nason with Muslims and Atheist and Buddhist, but it

(01:07:04):
is not a Christian nation. And what you're seeing right
now is this administration recognizing what works. Oh, we need evangelicals.
So here's how we're going to do this. We're going
to toy toe the party line. We're going to play
with these images that were given. I mean, think about
the image of Trump holding a Bible in front of
the church. Is there a more iconic image of the

(01:07:27):
merging of empire in religion than that image? Think about
the ai image of him inside a pope outfit. Is
there a more iconic image of emerging of empire and
Christianity together? But what I would just say in closing
is this, those two do not run parallel with each other.

(01:07:47):
The way of Trump, the way of Empire, and the
way of Christ do not run together. One is about truth, integrity,
justice and liberation, and the other is about read, corruption, revenge,
and oppression. And it is critical that we make a
distinction between the two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I mean, yeah, you absolutely kneel it and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
He cut a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He basically said, last time, all right, what do y'all want?
All right, I'm a point all the judges y'all want,
I'm gonna sit here. He doesn't care about First of all,
Donald Trump was pro choice. He doesn't care about white evangelicals.
He doesn't care about any of these people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
He's like, he wants power.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Okay, great, y'all want that, Go right ahead, cool, whatever,
I'm gonna give you. The judges, he stands out here
and they're like, oh, he's the most pro life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
That's all nonsense. It's nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
And what they have done is they've made a deal
with the devil.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And I'm saying that for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
You look at their particular actions and what they are
all about right now. And again, when I looked at
the memorial serve, I look at the thing that Charlie
Kirk said. I'm sitting there going, how in the world
can y'all say that's Jesus? How can you even fix
your mouth, speaker, Mike Johnson, Okay, and you're sitting here

(01:09:12):
and he's supposed to be the super duper Christian, and
I'm going, wait a minute, I'm sorry. How in the
world can you say you love Jesus and you love
scripture and all of that, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Cut money from the poor. Nick, I'm just trying to understand. Listen.
I was born and raised Catholic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
First twenty five years of my life was Catholic, so
we only saw the misilet every Sunday. But since I
was twenty five, the last thirty plus years I've actually
read the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Jesus talked a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Lot about the poor, helping those in need, and what
these folks are saying is damn them, we gonna ride
with the billionaires.

Speaker 23 (01:10:01):
Yeah, you could use the word It is anti Christ.
It is the opposite of what Christ taught. And the
reality is, if you think about it, it would be
the ultimate deception to have that which is against Christ
or anti Christ, to hide itself inside a religion with

(01:10:23):
the name of Christ. And I believe that's what we're
seeing right now. The Book of Revelation, the actual word
behind it is apocalypse. And I know, many of us
have like a modern understanding of what apocalypse is, but
the actual original Greek it means literally an unveiling and
a part of what the writer behind the Book of
Revelation is doing. And a lot of people see that

(01:10:44):
book and they're like, man, that guy, he must have
been like strung out on mushrooms or something. It's so
symbolic and chaotic and looks like he's having hallucinations. But
when you get into the book, it's incredibly profound of
how John is writing about what's happening in that oppress
first century world with this authoritarian dictator leaders that had
been passed down from the Caesars. And what you see

(01:11:07):
is John is encouraging these followers of Jesus because you
have religion getting in bed with empire, and some being
convinced that it was may actually be the way, like
the way to peace, the way too salvation. They bought
into this lie, they bought into a myth of like
redemptive violence. And John says, no, no, no, no. What I'm
trying to do here is I want to expose. I

(01:11:30):
want to pull the curtain back, I want to unveil
what's happening because I want you to see behind the
scenes of actually what is going on here and a
part of what we're doing as a collective. So I
pastor this church. It's called Vining's Lake. It's in Mableton, Georgia,
which is like twenty minutes north of downtown Atlanta. It's

(01:11:50):
an amazing group of people, so much diversity. But a
part of what we're trying to do is on a
local level, we're trying to pull back the curtain every
time we gather, going hey, did you guys see that?
Did you hear that? And what did you hear? Because
here's what I heard. So you can take statements from
Charlie Kirk. You can watch his memorial service and you

(01:12:13):
could look at that and a lot of evangelicals are like, oh,
look at that. What a great man. And you can
also begin to realize this truth that just because it
has the name of Christ doesn't mean it is the
way of Christ. And we as a collective are going
to continue so long as this administration keeps continuing to

(01:12:37):
insist on using Christ's name, using God's name, which I
would argue they're using it in vain. That is the
definition of using God's name in vain. As long as
they continue to use God's name, we will as a
collective continue to pull the curtain back an attempt to
show our community and our world what this actually is,

(01:13:00):
and what it is is a co opting in a
hijacking of a beautiful movement that started years ago by
a Nazarene, A brown skin Nazarene, not a white Republican
gun toting Jesus of the imagination of evangel But I
mean a brown skin Jesus, a revolutionary who flipped tables

(01:13:23):
over in the temple and who actually was crucified by
emerging of the Roman Empire and the specific areas of
Judaism of their day. This Jesus. We're going to continue
to try to show the world his way, his movement,
and continue to expose what this administration is doing that

(01:13:48):
Jesus would absolutely push against and never be a Symbolfore.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Before I've gone on my panel for questions, are you
getting pushback? Are there people who known you for you years,
who went to college with you. Are their church members
who said, I'm sorry, pastor, you've gone way too far.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I can't listen to any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Because we saw a whole lot of people posting, oh
of your preacher. If he was not extolling the virtues
of Charlie Kirk the Sunday after he was shot and killed, then.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
You should leave that church.

Speaker 23 (01:14:18):
Yes, the dog whistles for the far ride have been heard.
They hear it, they know it, and they're coming after
lots of folks because I've had conversations. But I will
tell you people like me at my social intersection, I
think they despise just about more than anyone because I
can expose exactly what they're doing because I grew up
underneath them, so I know the language and I know

(01:14:40):
what's happening. Now. Our church has a whole history. I
mean back seven eight years ago when the first administration
came in. I began to speak on two subjects that
killed our church. And when I say killed it, at
one point we had seven hundred people. We got down
to twelve. So my biggest fear as a pastor came true.

(01:15:02):
And the two subjects that, wow, the two subjects that
killed it were not lgbtqia. Plus by time we got
to same sex marriage, we got a standing ovation. It
wasn't that the two subjects that killed it were one.
I talked about capitalism two nationalism. In my opinion, those
two subjects are two of the most dangerous subjects to

(01:15:24):
speak about in the Bible belt of the South. And
when I started talking about nationalism in the merging of
Christianity and white Christian nationalism, even in the first term,
there was a slow and then speedy exodus, and our
church died. It died. My biggest fears came true. Then

(01:15:48):
COVID came. We didn't meet for a year and a half,
and then we came out of COVID and there were
still probably twelve to twenty people, and we all looked
at each other, going, we need community now more than ever.
So how about we continue to gather, and we did.
The second time Trump came in about eight months ago,
the opposite effect happened rollin. Instead of a whole bunch

(01:16:09):
of people leaving, our building right now is filled with capacity.
People have come in that have left old churches, people
that are walking away from evangelicals. Some of them call
themselves exvangelicals, some of them call themselves post Christians. Because
they've seen it. I'm telling you, they've seen it. They

(01:16:29):
understand what they're seeing, and there is a rise of people,
specifically in our area in Atlanta, that are showing up
because they're saying, you know what, we still love this Jesus,
in the subversive nature of this Jesus, but what we
have seen and how Jesus has been used, we want

(01:16:51):
no part of. And so they're leaving a lot of
these places and they're coming into our spaces. And it
has been, as wild as this might sound, some of
the hardest, most difficult times as a pastor. And I
would just say both administrations. Roland I cried the second
time Donald Trump got elected, and I'll tell you why.

(01:17:13):
Many reasons, but one of which was and forgive my selfishness,
but one of which was my God, I don't think
I can pastor through another term of this man. But
what I realized the second term is I'm not the
man I was in the first term. I'm prepared now.
I am convinced that all of our voices matter, not

(01:17:37):
just some, all of them matter. And so we encourage
our people right now. Man, don't sit back, like let
your family know, don't sit back at the family gathering
when the racist comment is thrown and just kind of
giggle to the side. Or I don't really want to
cause any trouble. No, this is the moment where we
are to step in, speak up and say you know what,

(01:17:59):
not today We're not doing that. We're not having that
conversation and I will not entertain ideas like that. And
this is a part of what we're trying to navigate
as a community because we have people Roland that are
filled in our building that are navigating very complex relational dynamics.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Right now, Rinda, you're there in Georgia, you get the
first question.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
Yeah, So not a question so much, but a challenge
to the pastor. My dad also was a pastor in
the South, so I definitely saw Christianity from a different perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
And what my.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Challenge is to you is for you to read every
single piece of black history that you can get your
hands on, because this is not a recent hijacking, This
is not Christianity since the beginning of this country has
always been used to advance white supremacy. During slavery time,
slave masters would tell slaves, the more you work and
the more obedient you are, the closer you are to Jesus,

(01:18:57):
the better christian that you were being slaves weren't allowed
to read books unless it was the Bible, and the
Bible was used as this is the only thing that
you can read.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
So even after slavery, when.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
You look at reconstruction, during that time, you had things
like the Black Codes where it was illegal for black
folks to speak to groups of other black people unless
it was in church through Christianity giving Christian sermons, and
even those sermons had to be approved by white folks,
like the words literally had to be approved.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
And then you brought up some about the moral right, and.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
You talked about the KKK and how they used Christianity
to support what they were doing. So the challenge is
for you to read every single piece of black history
because Christianity has always been used to advance white supremacy
in this country. And that's why I think your congregation
really struggled. As you said when you talked about capitalism,
that goes back to what I'm saying about. You know,
understanding that the harder you work and the more obedient

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you are as a slave being told that that made
you closer to Jesus and that much closer to getting
in heaven. That same type of stuff is what goes
back to capitalism. And then the national li of always
using Christianity to say that black people need to be
a sub class and white people should inherently be in charge,
and this needs to stay a majority of white country
speaks to nationalism. It's always been used this way, and

(01:20:12):
it won't end when Trump is no longer there, because
it's always been the history of this country.

Speaker 23 (01:20:21):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think a part of
our task as a local collective is to decenter the whiteness.
And so part of the way we do that, specifically
at a local level, is we just bring in those
who have been pushed through the edges and we elevate,
first of all, the right. We buy their writings, we
buy their books, and we do our best to elevate

(01:20:42):
their voices as well. And they're obviously a part of us.
I mean, they're part of our teaching team, they're part
of our leadership, things like that. I think that's critical
moving forward. And I could not agree more. And I've
been trying to explain this to my own group of people.
I think it's easy to escapegoat and say, oh, that
man is the problem over there, and the reality is

(01:21:03):
I am actually getting ready to release a book it's
called Discovering Your Internal Universe Right Here comes out next
week October the ninth. It's about anxiety, panic, and fear,
but the entire book is about doing our own shadow work,
like going within and actually working out all that is
deep within us that we have repressed, we have ignored,

(01:21:26):
we have turned our head away from, and try to
pretend it wasn't there. And a part of the concern
for white males right now is even those that are
pushing hard against what's happening is I think there is
a way to both do our own internal work, our
own shadow work, as Carl Jung calls it, and at

(01:21:48):
the same time simultaneously call out the unconscious acts of
those who are oppressing people around us, and both needs
to be done. And this is a part of even
when I look at the Charlie Kirk situation, I say, Okay,
that's clear to me that isn't like Christianity. I think

(01:22:09):
the word for it is racism. These comments are a racist.
Simultaneously acknowledge this man, in my opinion, is human, He's
made in the image of God. And at the same
time what he said hurt a lot of people around me,
a lot of our congregation, even me and I would

(01:22:30):
say it must be condemned. I can hold both those
together at the same time. And a part of what
I think the challenge is is as we call out
the oppression around us, we also do our own inner
work simultaneously. And the reason I say this because my point,

(01:22:50):
it's easy to throw it all on this man. And
I think one of the reasons we love fingers over
there is because as a white male, sometimes it's easier
to point out the racism in Trump than it is
to recognize it in me. And one of the reasons
that I am so quick to call it out is
because I know how I was raised, and I have

(01:23:13):
spent years in therapy, and that's not exaggeration. Years in therapy,
and all of it was intertwined anxiety, panic, theology, racism,
relational wounds, all of that dwelling in me. And so
what would it look like if instead of trying to
clean the projection out there? What if what if we

(01:23:33):
actually started here and started trying to work on what
was happening inside of me? And that goes back to
your point. It's not one man. I've seen the Vice President,
I've seen the speaker, of the house, and just because
and when this man does leave, rest assured. Racism is
not dying. I see people my age, younger who are

(01:23:56):
still following people like a Charlie Kirk, and all the
red flags are going off, going okay, yep, this doesn't
end with one man, This movement, this MAGA movement, doesn't
end with one man. And so we've got work to do.
But fortunately I want to leave some hope. Fortunately, there's
a whole collective of people that are right here at

(01:24:17):
Bonnings Lake, and there's one hundred and fifty, almost a
couple hundred of us who are doing our best to
do the work, and many of them are young, and
I gotta be honest. Part of the reason I still
gather with them, part of the reason I'm still a pastor,
is because they honestly bring me hope. They bring me
a little bit of hope that men, maybe there are

(01:24:38):
some people out there whose eyes are opening right now
and whose souls are opening, and they're doing some good
work in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Scott, a good evening, pastor.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
Thank you for joining us so much good in your presentation.
Much more I'd love to ask you, you know, generational
racism each of us are not born with a racism gene,
and yet we have generational racism because environmentally and at home,

(01:25:16):
people who don't look like me are being taught to
hate me simply because of the color of my skin.
And I agree with everything you've said, but I don't
think evangelicals or white Christian nationalists are that dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I think they're liars.

Speaker 7 (01:25:36):
I think they're lying to themselves and that they know
what you say is so vitally true, but they reject
it because of power and the power of racism, and
the power of wanting to control, to not lose a
white privilege that they did not earn. That somehow sharing
with people of color in this country means they're giving

(01:25:58):
up something which they are not. I can agree with
everything you say, but then have you thought much about
how we change this? I mean, you have such a
thoughtful presentation the truth. It takes courage. You almost lost
your church, but based on truth, it's still there and
you're still preaching the message. What are the top three

(01:26:20):
things that need to happen in this country, Well that
each of us needs to do to write the ship,
if you will, and to take Christ out of white nationalism.

Speaker 11 (01:26:31):
Or take Christianity out of white nationalism.

Speaker 23 (01:26:35):
Yeah, that's a great, great question. I wonder if maybe
the first thing to do is, I don't know, maybe
start with ourselves. Part of what I was just saying,
I think that's where I began. I had to confront
my own demons. I had to confront my own way

(01:26:56):
of being conditioned growing up in the South as a
sub they're and Baptist pastor's kid. There were experiences I
had my father in law, for example, my father in
law was fired from a church in Alabama in nineteen
ninety nine for baptizing a black individual. Ninety nine, Wow,

(01:27:23):
baptizing a black individual. So these are experiences I've had
and this is no joke. Well, my wife and I
met one of the first stories we connected on with
this because my father's Southern Baptist pastor had a very
similar experience though didn't get fired, but took a lot
of heat for baptizing a person of color in a
little town called Blakely, Georgia at the time at a church.

(01:27:43):
And so we grew up under this environment going, oh,
that's interesting. But simultaneously, why you have those experiences, You're
being conditioned in a culture that you're not even fully
aware of. And some of these cultures, it can be
subtle slights, right, like be careful around that neighborhood. Do

(01:28:05):
you hear that?

Speaker 8 (01:28:06):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 17 (01:28:07):
Like?

Speaker 23 (01:28:07):
Those are things that you're picking up along the way.
And then what happened for me is when I grew
up and got a little bit older, I realized, oh,
my goodness, I have more in me than I ever
thought I did, and I have to unlearn or as
you know, some of the great writers of our time
have already said, I mean, we brought in at our
church Austin Channing Brown. I don't know if you know her.

(01:28:29):
She has a fantastic book called I'm Still Here. I
don't know if anyone that says it much better than
her work. And she came in and shook the foundations
of our church, and a lot of people did get upset.
They couldn't handle it. Call it white fragility, call it
what you want, but they couldn't handle it. But I
think a part of what we do is we start here.
Me as a white male, sis gender heterosexual like me,

(01:28:51):
I start right here, I do my internal work, and
then I think, second, what we've been talking about. I
think there has to be an exposing going on. I
don't know about you, but I am so tired of
playing these religious games, like getting up having a show,
singing our songs and then walking out the door and

(01:29:15):
being more racist than anyone you could ever imagine, and
then convincing ourselves or trying to pretend trying to pretend
that we aren't racist, when to your credit, what you
just said, I agree with you, I think most do know.
And if I'm honest with you, I wish I wish
I could tell you that wasn't true, because it does

(01:29:36):
break my heart. It breaks my heart because I'll tell
you why, because it's people that raised me. And it's
hard to see it because what it does is it
begins to open even your own understandings. And this is
why you hear right now in the exvangelical movement people
talking about deconstruction. And a part of the reason that

(01:30:00):
word is so critical is because the moment you start seeing,
as the former person said, the merging that has been
around forever of white supremacy and Christianity, the moment you
begin to study that history, all of a sudden, the
foundations that you were raised on begin to crumble, and

(01:30:20):
so then you have to let it just go like
crumble all the way down to the last bolt. And
this is what happened to my own faith. And then
what begins to happen is you're just standing there going
where do I go from here? And you start attempting
some sense of reconstruction. But hopefully in that reconstruction you
have expanded the voices and the friendships and the relationships

(01:30:41):
around you to where you have people from all walks
of life, Indigenous culture, Black culture, Latino culture speaking in
their perspectives in life, and it helps kind of help
you reorganize, reframe, reshape, and begin to reconstruct maybe what
Jesus actually intended the entire time he was here. And

(01:31:05):
so I would say, those are a couple of things.
Let's start with ourselves, let's move and begin to expose
what we're seeing here. And then lastly, I would just
say I do still believe at the local level, change
makes a difference. And so for an example, we have
an election coming up, we have a city council election
coming up in November. We tell our people we don't

(01:31:29):
want to hear you griping and complaining about who the
president is if you're not voting this November in the
city council decision exactly because local officials matter in Cobb County,
which is where I'm at. Listen that Georgia matters. We
are a state right now, particularly in this you know,

(01:31:50):
the midterms and the next election. We are a state
that's going to be critical. And so collectives like ours,
churches like ours that have a steeple that look like
a true additional church. But we've got a whole bunch
of folks who've deconstructed and reconstructed and reframing and trying
to get back to the original Jesus movement that got
hijacked from Constantine forward. Like there's a whole group of

(01:32:11):
us that are attempting to move into our families, going
do you hear what you're saying? Do you see what
you are supporting? And some of them do. And I
would also say there are still a couple that I
believe with all my heart, they just don't see it
and they don't understand it. And now part of the
reason that is and hear me out is because they

(01:32:32):
sit around and they watch Fox News all day long,
and so they're in their echo chamber and they're just
hearing these narratives being repeated. And so when I show
up for the family gathering and say, hey, are you
familiar with the Access Hollywood tape? Because you said you're
a devout follower of Jesus, but yet he said he

(01:32:55):
could grab women wherever he want. How does that sit
with you? Tell me how you coded for a man
that cares anything, doesn't care anything about integrity, and seems
to treat women like property, and is a convicted felon
and on an our list, we could go and here's
what I hear. A lot of times I didn't hear

(01:33:17):
about that, to which I pause and say, are they
lying or have they watched so much Fox that they
actually haven't heard about this? And so part of my
job is to say, Okay, that's between you and God,
but allow me to inform you, because it's obvious you're

(01:33:37):
not watching anything other than Fox. So let me inform you.
And here's the information, and you deliver the information, and
then they choose to do with it what they want
to do with it. So I do still believe there
are some on the edges that are so enveloped in
this Fox domain, in this maga cult that they're not

(01:33:59):
hearing the outset. And I would just say this one way,
maybe one way we can actually change this thing is
when our parents and our parents' parents and our grandparents,
when they see their own flesh and blood speaking this truth,

(01:34:20):
maybe maybe it just and this is my hope, and
I still hold on to the hope, Maybe it shifts
a little bit, intenderizes the heart enough where they say, oh,
because what we're doing is interrupting their narrative because what
has Fox News told them? Fox News has told them, Oh, immigrants,

(01:34:40):
they're dangerous, stay away from them, they're dangerous people. I mean,
listen to the way this administration dehumanizes people of color,
dehumanizes immigrants, dehumanizes these people that don't look like him,
act like him, dressed like him, talk like him. And
part of what we can do as family members that

(01:35:02):
they know us, they love us, is when we speak
up and share these truths, we are disrupting the narrative
that they're hearing, because then what they're saying is, oh,
wait a minute, everything Fox News said was left wing
liberal democrat LGBTQI destroying America. Wait a minute, that's not

(01:35:25):
my son, that's not my son in law. I know
my son in law and he's actually trying to follow
Jesus here. Yes, so maybe one relationship out of time
we can attempt to disrupt this lie. And it is
a lie, this lie that Fox keeps speaking. They have
taken They have taken our parents, They have taken our parents.

(01:35:49):
And I would just say, as as a young man
with parents and in laws and grandparents, it's unbelievable to
me how you all warned us day in and day
out to not get sucked in, and yet you are
the very people who got sucked in to a cult,

(01:36:13):
to a movement that is the antithesis to everything you
taught us. You told us integrity mattered, You told us
that marginalized people matter. You told us to take care
of the poor, You taught us all these things. You
told us to read the Bible. You told us it

(01:36:35):
was an errant, inspired, infallible, and that whatever you do,
don't abandon the way of Jesus. And all I would
say is, friends, we have it. We stuck true to
what you've asked us to do. We just took the
way of Jesus very seriously. And now we're calling out
our evangelical people and we're saying you have fallen down
a slippery slope. It turns out the slippery slope works

(01:36:57):
both ways, and you slip down the Fox newsflide, and
we are asking you to open your eyes, and we
are praying that your heart gets tender eyes and you
begin to see what many people see around you, and
that is that Jesus would not stand for the things

(01:37:21):
that you are standing for. And so maybe it's a call.
It's just a call. It's a call to come home.
It's a call to home. And one of the things
we're trying to do as a church is extend the door. Honestly,
if you've been a part of MAGA and you're just
now opening up and wakening up your eyes and you're going, oh,
we messed up. Come The prophets had a word for it, repent,

(01:37:48):
turn around, come back, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Ye, you preach that thing past that. I appreciate you
joining us on the show. Next time I'm at it.
Next time I'm in Atlanta, I am gonna drop by
your church and would love to worship there. And I'm
definitely gonna when I get back to DC seending you
a copy of my book.

Speaker 23 (01:38:15):
Oh please do Roland, I would absolutely love it. It's
been a pleasure. Thank you seriously, all three of you
that are on here. I don't know you, but I
know this. We need more conversations like this, and I
am grateful for the work you do. So I hope
you're blessed. I hope you feel extra inspiration and keep
speaking up, keep doing the work you're doing. And I'm

(01:38:36):
always in Atlanta. If you need a place to stay, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Here, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Thank you very much, man, folks.
That was a great conversation. And I'm doing something with
Bishop William Barbara. We're actually working on a special on
white Christian nationalism. I'm gonna be looking at November, so
they can't wait for that. One of the reasons why

(01:39:00):
you're seeing us have these conversations can lead up to that,
because this thing is real, y'all. This thing is real
that we are seeing experiencing, and we must be able
to confront it. All right, going to a break, We'll
be right back rolling back, unfiltered on the Black Study Network.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
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Speaker 30 (01:39:22):
I have name recognition, but I tour more than any rapper,
and it's a lot of overseas stuff, and it's like,
I'm going all over the I've been to I've been
to eighty countries in my lifetime. And sometimes I'll do
interviews with people and they'd be like, so, what you
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(01:39:43):
I'm saying, Like, I just came back from Belgium and Brazil.

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And South Africa.

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It's Monday. We have our Fit Lived Winds segment this month.
September is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month and many folks were
prized earlier this year when UH singer Montel Jordan announced
UH that he was diagnosed with early stage prostate cancer.
They need faced a second scare with Montell. Jordan joins

(01:44:08):
us right now along with urologists doctor Randy Vince Montel
and doctor Vin's glad to have you both on the show. Motel,
I want to start with you, so take us through this.
So you announced it January early detection and did you
have the surgery? What took place? And then what was
the second announcement?

Speaker 32 (01:44:28):
Yes, thank you, first of all, thank you for your platform. Man,
I love you and I'm glad to be here with
you tonight. January twenty twenty four, that's when early detection
from PSA levels of ten years plus detected that there
was early first stage prostate cancer. And from that standpoint,
we vetted through most of twenty twenty four of the

(01:44:49):
different treatments available to me, active observation, radiation, different treatment seeds,
things like that. I chose to have the radical protectomy
surgery on November fifth of twenty twenty four. Came back
clean margins, but the PSA level did not, like completely
dropped down to zero and so monitoring, still going for screenings,

(01:45:12):
doing the things I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 10 (01:45:14):
About three weeks ago, almost four weeks ago.

Speaker 32 (01:45:17):
That was when I went back for a check up
and found out the PSA level had risen just a
little bit, and found out that there is some more
more cancer in my lift node as well as some
places in the prostate bed.

Speaker 10 (01:45:29):
It's almost undetected.

Speaker 32 (01:45:31):
But basically this means the second round of a battling
cancer at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Doctor Vince explained that explained that because some might think, well,
after what took place the first time, that it wouldn't
come back.

Speaker 33 (01:45:49):
Yeah, thank you for allowing me to be here with
you today, and first one to apply mister Jordan's for
the strength that it took. So you're gonna come out
and share this diagnosis. So when it comes down to it,
you know, early stage prostate cancer. What we know is
that when men are treated appropriately, essentially one hundred percent

(01:46:10):
of men live after that diagnosis. Now, when we remove
the prostate g LIND, the PSA that you heard referred
to stands for prostate specific energy. That's just a protein
that's made by the prostate g LIND. And when we
start to see the levels and the bloodstream go up,
that kind of clues us in that there might be
prostate cancer present. So after you have your prostate removed,

(01:46:32):
the PSA level should go to what we can call undetectable.
And then after that, if you start to see that
the PSA is increasing incrementally, it kind of gives you
a clue that there might be some prostate cancer cells
that were left behind.

Speaker 27 (01:46:49):
You know, even in.

Speaker 33 (01:46:50):
The cases where we have what we call a negative margin,
which means that things might have been completely confined to
the prostate, there still could be some cancers cells that linger.
And PSA is the way that we picked that up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Montel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
When you were you getting regular checkups and you know
your prior to January, what were you doing in terms
of monitoring this just curious?

Speaker 10 (01:47:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:47:22):
Absolutely, from the time I was about forty years old
forty one, I regularly would go for checkups.

Speaker 10 (01:47:29):
I would have a yearly.

Speaker 32 (01:47:30):
Physical, and so a lot of for a lot of men,
the whole taboo about going to having the prostate check,
the finger check, and the rectum all of that I
got past that. I wanted to make sure that I
was doing what I needed to do to be in
a place even where I am right now. And just

(01:47:51):
for the record, it was not the finger check that
detected cancer. It was literally having a decade plug of
blood tests where I could go back and look at
my PSA levels and see that they gently incrementally had
risen throughout the years, and then over the past year

(01:48:12):
or two there were significant jumps. And so I want
to say that for men out there that may you know,
take that well, I don't want to know, or I
don't want to go, and nobody going to do this
to me. That thing, it's not even that anymore. Medicine
and technology has made it to where you just need
to go get your blood checked because early detection.

Speaker 10 (01:48:32):
Helped save lives.

Speaker 32 (01:48:33):
And what the doctor was saying is that ninety nine
percent of early detection in men is.

Speaker 10 (01:48:40):
Curable and treatable.

Speaker 32 (01:48:41):
And if I could just side by really quickly exactly
how he explained it, that I had clear margins after
having my prostate removed. But once they biopsied the prostate
that was taken out of me, they found that it
was not early first stage. It was more of a
stage two, more aggressive. From that standpoint, they're probably were
seals that that wanted to stick around or hang out

(01:49:05):
or give me a little more of a fight.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
So very accurate, Doc So explained to the audience. Because
it's interesting, we've had these different recommendations as to do
you do the finger test, do you just take the
p S A test? And so is it based upon age?
So I was talking to you. I remember I was

(01:49:30):
talking to the formerhead of health in Cook County. Uh momentarian,
he said, listen, he said for black men, ignore that
regular advice. He said, get get that, get that that
that regular check. So what advice do you specifically give
to black men when it comes to getting a prostate check?

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
How it should be done?

Speaker 33 (01:49:53):
Yeah, I know exactly what they talking about. We've been
on several segments together. And you know, one of the
things I tell people all the time, the digital rectal
exam is what you're referring to. That's the prostate exam
with the finger, that's optional. What is recommended is having
your PSA tested angler So if you are kind of

(01:50:14):
wearing a decision where it's like, look, i'll get tests,
I'll get screened for prostate cancer, but I don't want
the DRE. The blood test will do just fine. So
I don't want any men to be deterred by that.

Speaker 27 (01:50:26):
And like we.

Speaker 33 (01:50:27):
Said earlier, majority of men, all approaching one hundred percent
when that diagnosed early, will live after that diagnosis and
it's not something that will take you out of here.
But when they talk about black men specifically, where tais
is likely to die from prostate cancer than our white counterparts.
And that's where the problem lies, and that is because

(01:50:49):
too many men are being diagnosed at advanced stages or
when they have symptoms. And I tell people all the time,
and especially my patients, you might not have any symptoms
and you still have state casting. So we have to
dispel this notion that you have to have the DRE
or the finger in the bike, well, you have to
have symptoms in order to have prostate cancer, because that's
simply not true.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Questions from a panel.

Speaker 7 (01:51:14):
Scott, your first, uh, thank you mister Jordan and doctor.
My dad was a prostate cancer survivor. He got it early,
and he was in his fifties or sixties, and after
a couple of days, a couple of two or three
days in the hospital, he went on and had normal life.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
That generation meant are the ones who won't go to
a doctor, but they caught it early.

Speaker 7 (01:51:42):
My PSAs have been in line with not prostate cancer.
I think the numbers are one point two. But I'm
always concerned as someone whose dad had it, that I'm
going to get it and I want to catch it early,
and so any thoughts in that regard. I don't take

(01:52:04):
comfort that my numbers at sixty three years old are
in line because I.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Know that my dad had it.

Speaker 11 (01:52:11):
Am I right or wrong?

Speaker 7 (01:52:12):
Or can you comment on what else I should be
looking at?

Speaker 11 (01:52:16):
Because I'm not the guy that won't go to the doctor.
I get physicals every six months to a year.

Speaker 33 (01:52:24):
Yeah, I'll leave it to you, miss add I could
jump in either one.

Speaker 27 (01:52:28):
It's gone.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
Yeah, I'll start out.

Speaker 32 (01:52:30):
I'll say, first of all, if you are in your
sixties and your level is like at one point something
that is beautiful, I can tell you even with it
with it maybe running in the family most times, and
Doc can can check me on this. Anything that gets
above a six is when when things start to become

(01:52:51):
for me. It was told that anything that was sub
six was fine. And so I can go back and
I can look over a decade ago, and I was
at like a three point one, and then the next
year I was three point two, and the next year
was three point four, and the next year was three
point six. It wasn't until later year, you know, years later,

(01:53:12):
then it started to increase to like a four point two,
and then a four point five, then a five point one,
and then a six point one. And then at that
point as it got closer to six, then that's when
it was like, hey, we need to do a biop,
so we need to get do some extra screenings and
things like that.

Speaker 10 (01:53:30):
And it did run in my family to have.

Speaker 32 (01:53:31):
An uncle that had to have a dad that had
I had another uncle, I had a grandmother that had miseectomy.
And so from that standpoint, yes, if you know it
runs in your family, it does make make sense to check.
But it sounds and I'm not a doctor, but it
sounds like at the level you are at, getting regular checkups,
regular physicals is not a place where you're at at
a one point something that would draw any attention to that.

Speaker 27 (01:53:57):
Yeah, I completely I got one quick one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Can I have one more quick one? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
All those Scott, Scott, I want to I want the
doctor Vince to respond, go ahead.

Speaker 33 (01:54:06):
Oh yeah, you know what I was saying. I completely agree.
I mean to be in your sixties with a PSA
of one something, it's very encouraging. Now, No, you can
have a conversation with your doctor to do you know,
a more intense screening program or routine where maybe you
do every six months instead of once a year.

Speaker 27 (01:54:25):
But that's the conversation you should have with your doctor.

Speaker 33 (01:54:27):
And not only are we looking at the level when
we take these, we're looking at the trade and so
if we see these persistent increases in your PSA numbers,
those kind of clue as in a little bit more.
Even if your PSA is normal, that hey, we might
need to do a little more digging in terms of evaluations,
and that can be a prostate MRI or a biopsy.

(01:54:48):
But you know, that's the conversation you should definitely have
with your physician for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Yeah, all right, Scott, your second question, Yeah, real quick,
you know, let's let's let's be hon with the fellas.

Speaker 7 (01:55:02):
You know, you hear prostate cancer, they get real concerned about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
That part of their body, their ability to perform.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
I mean, we measure ourselves on lots of stuff on
the external. How do we get our black men forty
and older, even that generation before us or after us,
to say, Hey, that may or may not affect your
sexual performance, but.

Speaker 11 (01:55:29):
Are you going to value that over your life or cancer?

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Spreading?

Speaker 7 (01:55:33):
It just seems to be a hard argument when I
have it with my buddies.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
A lot of my buddies just.

Speaker 7 (01:55:39):
Don't want to know as long as they can perform,
and they're terrified of having surgery down there because they're afraid,
but also afraid of not being able to perform anymore.

Speaker 11 (01:55:51):
Those are realities, not smart, but realities.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Doc, What do you have.

Speaker 7 (01:55:55):
To say to those men who have said that to
me and my social circles?

Speaker 33 (01:56:00):
I mean, I'll be lying to as a black man myself, like,
that's something I think about all the time, you know,
if I cancer, Like, yeah, right, you know, but I
would say that I also prefer to be here for
my family more than anything else. So that's the one
thing I will say as a priority for me. But
the other thing is, you know, when we started doing

(01:56:23):
these surgeries for prostate cancer a long time ago, the
techniques that we had available to us weren't as good
as they are now. The technologies weren't as good as
they are now. And so one of the things that
I always encourage my patients to do is, as a
surgeon that'll see me to talk about prostate removal, I
send them to the radiation on collegists to talk about radiation.

Speaker 27 (01:56:44):
We sit down, I actually.

Speaker 33 (01:56:46):
Track those outcomes in terms of erections and things like that,
and I tell them like, these are where my numbers,
this is what my numbers show. This is what it
shows in terms of outcomes far as functional outcomes. If
you have radiation and then we just talked through it,
and whatever way they choose to go, I'm gonna support
them in that decision, because radiation and surgery ultimately are

(01:57:08):
equally as effective as curing cancer.

Speaker 27 (01:57:10):
It's just up to the patient at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:57:15):
Thank you, Nita, Yes, thank you mister Jordan for sharing
your story. I know that this is going to have
such a big impact, and it's really courageous of you
to do. So my question is for the doctor, Let's
just you know, there's a lot of talk about patients
needing to advocate for themselves. Let's just say everybody is
not as lucky to have a doctor like you who cares.
What are the top questions that a specifically black men

(01:57:37):
should be asking if they get told that they have
a diagnosis of prostrate cancer.

Speaker 33 (01:57:43):
Yeah, so it's really two things, and I mean it's
both Fanny's cancer.

Speaker 27 (01:57:47):
It's stage and great.

Speaker 33 (01:57:49):
Right, So when I was in med school, remembering how
do I differentiate between which one stage and spread both
start with us. So when we talk about stage, where's
that cancer locate? It located to the climate developed or
has it spread somewhere else? The other thing is great?
So we have what we call a great group scoring system.
So you know, I say that specifically because some.

Speaker 27 (01:58:11):
Men who have what we call a great group one
or low rest prostate cancer, we don't even treat.

Speaker 33 (01:58:16):
We just do active surveillance, which means we're monitoring it
because to that type of prostate cancer doesn't behave aggressively.
So I would say starting off with those two things
stage in grade and then from now you can kind
of build on their conversation around what are the options
for you because treatment might not even be needed depending
on what your stage and grade is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
All right, then, so Montel, your final comment.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
First of all, before I want you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Do that, Scott talked about this concern that brothers have
when it comes to sexual performance. Listen, we've had doctor
Rachel on our show her Sex Institute. She deals with
a lot of men who suffer from erectile this function.
We've had her on that conversation and so, brothers, if
that's your concern, she does a lot of work with men,

(01:59:08):
a lot of black men who've had that very issue,
and so consult doctor Rachel. Check out the previous interview
we had with her on our YouTube channel. She's a sexologist,
she's a medical doctor, but she actually has her institute
I'm gonna pull up in a second that deals with.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
That very thing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
So I think a lot of y'all if that's a concern,
as you already heard, listen, your life is so important.
But she has a Doctor Rachel Institute. Follow her YouTube
channel as well as Doctor Rachel, doctor r A C
H A E. L.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
So that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
So Montel, your final word for again, for the brother
out there, young brother, older brother who's they don't like
going to the doctor. They don't want to hear bad news,
they ain't trying any of that. What do you say
to that person who's watching her listening.

Speaker 32 (02:00:00):
Yeah, what I would say to my brothers, And I
would also say to the women in the lives of
these men who love them, the mothers, the wives, the sisters,
the anties out there, women that have influence and that
have life and death and the power of the tongue,
that are able to speak into these men that you love.
Please push them, pull them, encourage them, do whatever you

(02:00:21):
need to do to help these men get checked. When
I got diagnosed, I was told this is the most
treatable form of cancer when caught early. And so from
that standpoint, when something is treatable, and when we know
that one out of every eight men is going to
be diagnosed with prostate cancer and seventy percent of those
men are going to look like us, seventy percent is

(02:00:42):
those are huge numbers, and so it's on us to
make sure.

Speaker 10 (02:00:46):
That we do this.

Speaker 32 (02:00:47):
If you don't trust a doctor, find a new doctor.
You need to figure it out. But early diagnosis saves lives.
It has saved my life and continued screenings is still
saving my life. I'm a global ambassador for zero Prostate
Cancer as this is how we do it. As celebrating
thirty years zero Prostate Cancer, celebrating thirty years. Coming up

(02:01:11):
next year, I plan on going on tour Roland and
I'm doing a thirty city tour.

Speaker 10 (02:01:16):
We're calling it this is how We.

Speaker 32 (02:01:17):
Cure It, and we're doing that where we're going to
go to thirty cities, We're going to do concerts, We're
going to screen the documentary I'm working on and get
men screened at that screening.

Speaker 10 (02:01:27):
And I do want to throw this out there.

Speaker 32 (02:01:29):
From the time I got diagnosed, I started filming a
documentary called Sustain and if people would like to know
how they can help support this film that we're putting
on from everything we're going in right now, because I'm
not on the other side of cancer, I'm in the
mud of it right now, and along this journey, it's
difficult to fight cancer and fundraise at the same time.

(02:01:51):
So if people want to go to sustain themovie dot com,
you can see a trailer of what we've been filming
of my journey.

Speaker 10 (02:01:59):
And how I'm continued you this journey.

Speaker 32 (02:02:01):
As I continue with the therapy I have coming up
in the month of October and November.

Speaker 10 (02:02:06):
So you're hearing it from.

Speaker 32 (02:02:07):
A guy that I've sold records, I've had accolades, I've
done a lot of stuff.

Speaker 10 (02:02:12):
But what's most important to me.

Speaker 32 (02:02:14):
As a pastor, I help save souls and as an ambassador,
I want to help save some lives. And so as
a man man to man, I'm giving you a mandate.
Please just go and get your blood level check, go
and get a regular physical.

Speaker 10 (02:02:29):
And you would rather know so that you can do something.

Speaker 32 (02:02:33):
And you would also like to know that everything is
good because prayerfully, as men of faith, as I'm a
man of faith, I believe God's best for your life.

Speaker 10 (02:02:40):
I believe He's best for my life.

Speaker 32 (02:02:42):
And from that standpoint, I'm standing on the front lines
here screaming it, shouting it, whispering it for my brothers
out there. Please please please, your life is just as
valuable to me as my life is, so I would
I would encourage you to.

Speaker 10 (02:02:55):
Go and get checked.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
All right, Montel Jordan, I shertainly appreciate doctor Vince.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
I appreciate it as well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Thank you so very much, and Montelle look forward to
seeing you on the road on that tour.

Speaker 10 (02:03:08):
Yes, sir, God bless ma'am.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Thanks a much. All right, folks, that's it for us.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
Let me thank Rinita, Let me thank Scott as well
for being on today's panel.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
I Shertain appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, folks.

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