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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Today's Thursday of the River six, twenty twenty five, coming
up of Roland Martin un filter stream live of the
Blackstar Network. North Carolina's new Republican drawing congressional maps. Those
racist GEREMEDDA maps are head to court. The first lawsuit
challenging the legality of the maps has been filed. It's
day thirty seven of the longest government shut down in
American history. Flights are being canned, sol paycheck's and men's

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family is struggling and still no end in sight will
break down with the Democrats are doing to push for
a deal. Like federal judge says, the trumpdministration must pay
full snap benefits by for November by Friday, a life
life more than forty two million Americans relying on food assistance.
The bannileful labor power is heading up. The teams'ch national
election could reshape the future of the labor movement and

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they could get their first black president as he challenges
current President and MAGA lover Sean O'Brien. After decades at
the top, Nancy Pelosi is saying goodbye to Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We'll talk to her former communications director of Plus MAGA
maggot Meghan Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
She has a lot to say about black people, especially
black women and their hair. Yeah, I got to smack
her little silly ass y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's time to bring the punk. I'm rolling Mark on
Filch on the Black Silt Network.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
He's whatever the best, He's sell it whatever it is.
Heifia pase, he's rot on time and.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Best believe he's going.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
To politics with entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Justa case's go.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's stolen Jack, he's real question. He's fueled the.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Most Republicans of North Carolina. They gerrymander their map. Now
they are being sued as a result. The maps will
weaken black voting power. They got rid of the congressional
district of CDC member Don Davis is also going to
reshape another district as well. That The lawsuit Williams versus
Black Will was filed by black residents and voting rights

(02:40):
advocate who say the new maps intentionally discriminated against minority
voters and dilutes black power, which are violations of the
fourteenth and fifteenth amendments of the Voting Rights Acts. Federal
judges have scheduled a Cruisier hearing for November nineteenth in Wisdom,
Salem to consider a prilinary injunction that could block the
new congressional map. This hearing comes just twelve days before
candidates are set to begin filing for North Carolina's twenty

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twenty six congressional elections, making it a pivotal moment for
the state's political landscape.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Now I understand what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Republicans are, of course, all across the country are trying
to jerry mander as many maps as possible. Why because
they are scared to death if they are going to
lose next November. Donald Trump has demanded they do this.
And so of course we saw what happened in Texas.
We see what they're doing in Missouri, in Indiana, Kansas
has backed off, We see what's happening.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Florida's talking about this here. We scursely know what Texas did.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And so this is where we stand where Republicans have power.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And the problem is this here, because.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Of the Constitution in North Carolina, the governor cannot veto
a bill dealing with redistricting.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And so that's what is going on here.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's going to our pound Doctor Nola Haynes, Georgetown University,
School of FIM Service out of DC. Doctor Greg Cart,
Department AFO American Studies at Howard University of Recenty COVID,
host of the recent Cobrat Show on Serious Exem Radio.
Creator of the card Game am I Tripping DC, Greg,
I want to start with you. You said beforehand that
it was wise for voting rights advocates to use the

(04:10):
fifteenth Amendment as a part of the pushback. Explain again
to people why that's the case as opposed to the
Voting Rights Act in section two.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Well, the Voting Rights Act in section two is pursuant
to the fifteenth Amendment. We know that section two the
fifteenth Amendment enables Congress to pass all appropriate legislation to
enforce the fifteenth Amendment. So it's not an alternative. It's
an attempt to have Congress basically enforce the fixtentth Amendment.
I like the fifteenth Amendment argument basically, and as you

(04:43):
and I talked about and you talked about this as
Jenny Nelson was making her oral arguments in the Louisiana
case Louisiana versus Lais, I think that argument that goes
straight to the Fifteenth Amendment is really about protecting the
right to vote in a more broad since when we
were listening to oral arguments around, it's clear they're trying
to figure out a way to give legislations the most

(05:03):
flexibility possible. And what we're seeing in North Carolina. By
the way, the guy who helped them draw the maps
in North Carolina is one of the guys who helped
Ohio draw their maps, and of course Ohio's maps, it
was talked about a few weeks ago, are about as
good as the Democrats could hope for in a kind
of political Jerry manager sense. I think ultimately the argument

(05:24):
is to throw everything really in there against the wall,
not only the Voting Rights Act but a direct appeal
to the Fifteenth Amendment. And as we know, they're gone
to court now in North Carolina, they're going to make
both those arguments. But in some the Fording Rights Act
of nineteen sixty five is Congress passed President signed law
that is pursuant to the enforcement clause Section two of

(05:46):
the fifteenth Amendment. So they should work in.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Ten again, and so Recie, as we look at what
is going on here. The other thing is this here
obviously of the Voting Rights Act, and that had to
be renewed, had to be constantly renewed, and it's been
under attack. The difference with the fifteenth Amendment you're talking
about was now constitutional. That was a constitutional amendment that

(06:10):
had to be ratified by the states, and so what
Greg is talking about here forces a really different type
of constitutional challenge in this case. You're saying, Okay, y'all
got to continue with the law had to be ratified.
You heard you heard a Kavanaugh and others like, well,
there's a law sunset in that. In that in that

(06:30):
calls Jena was like Jename nelsons, the hold up, there's
no such thing as laws sunsetting. So, like, what are
y'all talking about in this case the fifteenth Amendment that
was the final of the reconstruction amendments. So that's a
constitutional amendment that was ratified by the states.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That sets up a totally different legal argument.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that's why I believe in this North Carolina case
they specifically are using the fourteenth and the fifteenth Amendments
as opposed to Section to the Voting RecA go ahead, Well, well, I.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Would cladly defer to the great doctor Greg Carr on
the legal merits of that argument and to yourself. But
I think what we're what we will see is this
really a case about arguing the merits of the case.
Is it really a case about the Constitution and the
text and the intent behind that, or is it a
case about power grabbing power and solidifying white rule. So

(07:25):
I think that part remains to be seen. But we've
seen a Supreme Court that is willing to throughout precedent,
that is willing to disregard facts, disregard everything, every argument
that's put in front of them, and just do whatever
the hill Donald Trump says. So I mean, obviously I
think that Janae. Nelson and all of the folks that.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
Are arguing against these racist maps are are are doing
the right thing.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
But I just don't have a lot of faith in
the Supreme Court at this point.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, a lot of people don't have faith in the
Supreme Court. But again, legal arguments are critically important. Not
to give an Exampleilliam Barber, there was a lawsuit several
years ago when they were trying to challenge the Gerry
Mandarin districts. I think I forgot the group that filed it,
and it was out of North Carolina, and Bishop Barbara

(08:12):
kept trying to tell them file the lawsuit alleging racial
jerry mandering. Well they didn't listen, and they kept just
talking about jerrymandering. Well, he understood that the courts had
already ruled or were going to rule, that partisan jerry
manning is allowed.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So what happened?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
They lost the suit, and Barbara's like, I tried to
tell y'all, you had a greater shot at winning if
you allege racial gerrymandering due to Section two of the
Voting Rights Act. And so for a lot of people
who don't again don't understand, and even people who are listening,
because a lot of people don't have any rendit Constitution
and going to go to my pad. Fifteenth Amendment. It
says the rights of citizens of the United States to

(08:52):
vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United
States or by any State on account of race, color,
or previous condition of servitu Section two says the Congress
shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
So when Greg was talking, he was speaking about Voting

(09:16):
Rights Act. That's actually section two of fifteenth Amendment. This
lawsuit is suggesting that the action of North Carolinians, these
Republican North Carolinian violates Section one of the Fifteenth Amendment.
So they're not even making a voting rights arguments, a
Voting Rights Act argument, They're making a constitutional argument that

(09:38):
says the actions of these Republicans specifically is denying black voters,
denying their right to vote based upon the Fifteenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Your thoughts, I have a lot.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Of thoughts very similar to Reese said.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
You know, it's very clear that the Supreme Court is
is the tool for Donald Trump to completely rewrite the
Constitution the way they want to rewrite identity, history and
culture in this country. But the question remains, just like
with Congress, the thing that I deeply do not understand.

(10:16):
I can understand you may feel a way, you have
a worldview, you have certain ideologies, but why see to
your power? That's the part of this that I do
not get.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Everything that you.

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Go through to become a Supreme Court justice, what do
you get out of this in the long term to
allow one person to undo settled law? You know, especially
for those so called originalists that are on the Supreme Court,
clearly not precedent is not your god, because they are

(10:48):
so willing to dismiss it inside step it for this man.
So you know, my final thought here is what is
the stop to the Supreme Court?

Speaker 4 (11:00):
What is the bottom for them?

Speaker 9 (11:02):
When does it stop being about their ideology which is extreme.
It does not even match the way that the country
is moving towards and where we are now. So what
does the stop Besides yes, I know, voting and all
of that and.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
All the different processes.

Speaker 9 (11:22):
But before we can even get there, are there any
solutions to the Supreme Court giving Donald Trump everything that
he wants.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Greg, The thing that people have to recognize is that.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
The right wingers don't care about the institution, the failest society.
Their entire focus was to infiltrate. First, we'll let's go
back the failer society set up by right wing found
thats and donors, scafes, melon out of Pittsburgh and other places.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
They've been pissed off with.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
The federal courts because of brown vers mootive education, because
of the Civil Rights after sixty four, the Voter Rights
Actual sixty five, the Fire Housing Act of sixty eight,
because of their legal rulings on ROEBI Wade, on other issues,
and so they said, we have to create our own

(12:30):
system to take over the courts to now rule on
laws in our favor. So this Supreme Court John Roberts,
Amy Conye, Barrett Neil Gorset, Kavanaugh, LDO, Clarce Thomas, they
don't believe in settle law. They believe that we can

(12:55):
overturn whatever we want. And the fact of the matter
is that power actually rests with the Supreme Court. Supreme
Court can change laws. Let's use North Carolina as an example.
The North Carolina Supreme Court is now a five to
two right wing court led by a right wing idea Loogue,

(13:15):
who became Chief Justice. That person was pissed off when
he wasn't chosen to be Chief Justice and Sherry Beasley was.
That's why he ran against Sherry Beasley beat her. She
lost by four hundred and one votes. Then a right
winger took his place on the National Supreme Court. These
folks say, we don't care about civil law. We want

(13:38):
to change law in to fit our ideology. So they
don't care about the institution. Even John Roberts he can
claim about, well, we're concern about the rule of law. No,
the whole deal is, while we have the power we
know that our judicial rulings today could actually last the
next one hundred two hundred years. They have made an

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ideological decision. So the reason they are going along Greg
with Donald Trump because he appointed three of them. They
now have not only five to four, they now have
six three.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So even if they lose.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
One of them along the way, they still got the five.
So they want to enshrine in law their vision of America.
Doesn't matter where the nation is going.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
They want to.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Say the nation, y'all can go as far as I
want to, but we're gonna tell y'all how you can roll.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Greg young me.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Their ideaogues. Thank you, right well, thank you brother. That's right.
They are ideologues, and that is their vision. I think
what we should always keep in mind, however, is how
fragile that vision is. Well, for those who listen to
the oral arguments in the tear case yesterday, there are
two doctrines they basically invented the right wing, the most

(15:05):
extremist of the fascists, the major Questions doctrine and the
non delegation doctrine. Yesterday we heard Soda Mayor Kagan and
Katanji and Yuka Brown Jackson evoke those doctrines and use
them as a weapon against the Trump administration's argument that
the president can do it where they once when it
comes to taris precisely because the same court ruled against

(15:27):
Joe Biden using the same theories when they said that
Congress cannot delegate its authority to the president. That's the
non delegation doctrine and the major question doctrine saying that
there are some issues that are beyond the scope not
beyond the scope of the law, but are so broad
that they must be considered as almost transcending any particular
statutory interpretation of Major Questions doctrine. And they used that

(15:48):
to say that Joe Biden couldn't forgive student loans, that
he didn't have that power as the executive Well, yesterday,
in the argument, you hear the so called liberal justice
is saying, okay, so is that the case? Yeah, yeah,
And what you heard was an ideologue like Neil Gorsch,
caught in an ideological trap because that judge made law
that interpretation that brought overreach that is absolutely grounded in

(16:09):
the work of the Federal Society. I was in law
school when the Fedal Society was started in the late eighties,
he's now tied in the knots. So is it gonna
be you're gonna drop all pretenses, like Nola said, and
just go straight political and say, yeah, we meant that
for Biden, but not for Trump, because if you do that,
you've destroyed the rule of law, and that, I think
is the line that they don't want to cross. John Roberts,
who has destroyed in many ways the credibility of the

(16:31):
Supreme Court by the twenty ten decision on allowing unlimited
money the Citizen's United decisions, he has now realized in
some ways that he has overreached, so you will see
him sometimes join the three so called liberal justices, and
that just makes it five four to your point. However,
yesterday's oral arguments, at least the court watchers who are saying, well,

(16:54):
it sounds like maybe on this tariff issue, because of
this ideological position that they've made up out of thin air,
that Gorsig may be a little nervous. Maybe komee Berry too,
So it could go five for the other way, or
maybe even six three the other way. Because Alito and Thomas,
they're straight ideologues. They don't give a damn. Now, all
of that coming to this point as it is to

(17:15):
this question of justice ability, meaning where it's whether or
not something egans something can be weighed in on. About
the courts the political question as it relates to jerry mandering,
their saying political questions. Political jerry mander, as you say,
is non justiceable. You can't bring that to the court.
This is where this comes into play in this regard.
We know elections are the purview of the states. We

(17:37):
saw that in Ohio. The Ohio Supreme Court ruled that
the redistricting commission that Ohio put together had drawn maps
in a way that had diminished the capacity of people
to be able to elect their representatives of their choice
and have their voices heard in the way that the
commission was set up to do. The politicians in Ohio
didn't like it, but it was a state supreme court
that did it. We saw the same thing in Pennsylvania.

(17:58):
But as you said, see the same thing in North Carolina.
Then when the right wing is not satisfied with that,
they go to the federal courts. And here is where
what you said about the fifteen Amendment is so important.
The Voting Rights Act does sunset is extended. We saw
it extended under Rating, We saw it extended under George W. Bush.
We saw it extended for twenty five years. Beyond that,

(18:19):
we haven't reached that moment yet. So they got a
two pronged strategy. Number One, we want to destroy the
Voting Rights Act if we can, which is simply an
enforcement mechanism for the Fifteenth Amendment. As you said, temporary perhaps,
which is why Kavanaugh reached out and pulled a number
out of his ass didn't even pull a number out
like Sandrey Ocana did with a fron in faction. And
instead of saying she said twenty five years, maybe we
don't need a firn re faction, Kavanaugh says, well, at

(18:41):
some point in the future, maybe in the near future,
maybe now we don't need it anymore. He's making it up.
But what they're going after in Section two is to
say Section two really echoes the Fifteenth Amendment. But Section
two had but had been interpreted by judges to say,
you got to show that states intentionally drew these lines
to discriminate. Well, in nineteen eighty two, they amended the

(19:02):
Voting Rights Act to take the intense standard out you
don't have to show that they intended to do it.
You just have to see the effect there. That's what
kar Tanji Brown Jackson was arguing. But here, as you say,
this is why Bishop Barbara is trying to help them
understand the fifteenth Amendment, the playing language, which is as
you say, in the law in the Constitution and is permanent.

(19:22):
That if you argue that, you're then in the Federal
Court arguing that set aside or hold distinct the Voting
Rights Act. Let's just talk about the plain language of
the Fifteenth Amendment. And so here we are, and this
is why elections matter. The Court as presently constituted is
probably going to try to diminish the Voting Rights Act

(19:42):
and maybe even reinterpret the Fifteenth Amendment. And again to
say that no, it doesn't mean that you can't do
these extreme gerrymans. However, do you know what it takes
to change the number of people on the Supreme Court.
It has been done six times in US history. You
got to get a bill introduced in the House of Representatives,
passed through the Senate, and signed by the President if
you win in a election. Did y'all hear Donald Trump
at his luncheon when he was suned down and talking crazy.

(20:03):
The other day he said, if they win, they're gonna
pack the court, and then they're gonna let PC and
Puerto Rico b states and get two senators a piece.
Hey man, you're acting like that's a deal breaker. It
could change just that quick. The number that has been
bandied about is thirteen. Put five more people on the court.
You win the House, you win the Senate, you get
the presidency. You can add five people to the Supreme

(20:24):
Court tomorrow. Baby, that's all that takes to change the
number on the Supreme Court. We need to be thinking
strategically Roman.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now, Greg, I also want you to explain to people
because you said first it's happened six times. Yeah, we
have explained why the number thirteen is so important. And
it's hard for the folk who hate who say, don't
expand the court because it's not packing. Let's be real clear,

(20:51):
it's not packing the court. We know the president, we
know that FDR wanted to pack the court. So we
talk about expand the court. There's already president below the
Supreme Court is plant.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Well, I mean you're talking about that. There are three
levels of the Federal courts that the district courts, there
are the courts of appeal, and then there is a
Supreme Court. The number at the district court level and
the number at the courts of appeals level are usually
commiserate with the populations. So it's a similar principle, not

(21:26):
the exact same, but it's similar as you think about
the number of congress people, which is going to always
stay at four thirty five, and the number of Senators,
which always stays in too. The hard cap on the
House of Representatives is for thirty five, but the population
moves from let's say New Jersey to Texas or New
York to Florida, then as the population changes, that number
is going to stay the same at four thirty five.
But where that number of manifest is going to change

(21:47):
depending on what the population is. The district courts have
a certain number based on the population, based on the
number of states. The courts of appeal, which are clustered
around the various there are eleven courts of appeals, and
then you got the Federal Appeals Court as well. Those
numbers are consistent again with the regions, but the Supreme
Court doesn't have those restrictions. When Roosevelt tried his court

(22:08):
packing plan. Politically, it intimidated the existing court because what
he was worried about was that they were going to
find all those New Deal policies unconstitutional. So when they
say America is not a socials country, as we were
talking about the other night during the election coverage, yet
it's socialists when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, and medicaid.
Roosevelt was worried that they were going to say, you
can't do Social Security, you can't do fdic you can't

(22:31):
do those federal programs because they are in contravention to
the Constitution. So he said, no problem, I'm gonna ask
some judges and I'll get some judges who will say
they are constitutional. Ultimately, the plan failed. The Congress didn't
vacuum on it, but it sent a message to that
Supreme Court. Fast forward to twenty twenty six the midterm elections.
If you elect enough congress people to the House representatives,

(22:51):
you elect enough senators, not enough senator, Yeah, yeah, Let
enough senators either in twenty six or twenty eight, and
you elect a Democrat president. But you're gonna have to
have more than just one more than the Republicans in
the Senate or two more than the Republicans in the House,
because what that is gonna do is trigger those Democrats
who are hiding right now. John Fetterman is a Republican

(23:13):
for what I'm talking about right now. So you're gonna
have to have more than one or two people in
the majority in the Senate, and ultimately, if you can
do that, get that bill, you go to thirteen. The
reason is thirteen because it has to be a odd
number because ostensibly that means you're never gonna have a
tie unless somebody recuses themselves. But if as long as
you have an odd number, the likelihood is that you're
gonna have a ruling one way or the other. And

(23:35):
if you put five justices on the Supreme Court, you're
basically talking about everything that you want to run the
table on. That's voting rights, that's police brutality, that all
of that stuff. Because what we are dealing with isn't
the plain language of the Constitution. It isn't This is
what Katanji Brown Jackson keeps dragging them back to in
her descents. It is the interpretation of the Constitution by judges.

(23:58):
And there are two standards that are generally bandied about.
One is strict interpretation, what they call the originalist position.
We want to know what the founders meant. Guess what
George Washington was dead as a doornail when they passed
the thirteen fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. Katanji Brown Jackson is like,
since he wasn't around, let's look at who what the
authors hing them? And Charles Sumner, what did they mean
by the thirteen fourteenth to fifteen amendments. If you read that,

(24:21):
it's clear they meant it to protect us people of
African descent. This court has ignored all that. They don't
want to be originals when it comes to the Reconstruction Amendments,
only to their slave master friends back in the days
of yours. When they do that, however, all that can
be changed by who's sitting on the bench. That is
not constitutional law playing language. It is statutory interpretation. So

(24:43):
you change the judges, you change the law. It's that simple.
And how do you change the judges, You go you're
ass to the voting booth. It's just that simple, brong.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So for the people who are watching, you heard Greg
say that it's changed six times. As I go to
my iPad. Yeah, this is if you go to Supreme
Court dot gov. And I know some people watch it
right now, like man, man, y'all like going deep into this.
I think I'm in school because you should be learning.
Do understand something. We didn't always have nine Supreme Court justices.

(25:16):
In fact, in fact, in American history, we've had anywhere
as few as five and as many as ten.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Nine is not a magical number.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
There's nowhere in the Constitution where it states you can
only have nine Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now, let me explain this to you.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
The reason I asked Greg why is thirteen a magical number?
Because he talked about having thirteen Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Go to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's because when you look at the Circuit Court in America,
they are thirteen.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That number is important. Why did they create that?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
They said, because there was so much work they needed
to have the expansion on the circuit court level.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So, you know, go back to my iPad. Please, thank you,
stay there. You see right here, Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
The establishment of a federal judiciary was a high priority
for the new government, and the first bill introduced in
the United States Senate became the Judiciary Act of seventeen
eighty nine. The Act divided the country into thirteen judicial districts,
which were in turn organized into three circuits, the Eastern, Middle,

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and the Southern. The Supreme Court, the country's highest judiciary tribunal,
was to sit in the nation's capital, and was initially
composed of a Chief Justice and five associate justices for
the first one hundred and one years of the Supreme
Court life, but for a brief period in the early
eighteen hundreds, the justices were also required to quote ride

(26:57):
circuit and whole Circuit Court twice year in each judicial district.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
So why is that important? The United States.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Supreme Court being the highest in the land, they actually
don't hear a lot of cases.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
They hear a very small.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean, I'm talking about a minute number of cases.
One of the reasons you've seen the expansion of the
court because they've said, wait a minute, we need more judges.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
They have more cases.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Jenny Hams, when that race is represented North Carolina, he
blocked black judges from.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Being appointed by saying, oh, no, we don't need any
more judges on the fourth Circuit. We're good, We're good.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Even though they had case overload you have federal judges,
say no, we need to expand the number of federal
judges because we have too many cases.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So if you say you have.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Thirteen circuits, why can't you have thirteen Supreme Court justices.
I need y'all to understand what I'm saying here. See,
this is why y'all got to understand language.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
You should not be said. You should not be using language.
Pack the courts.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Listen to what I'm telling y'all, right, pack the courts
is a loaded phrase. Pack the courts then leads to this,
Oh life, you're trying to take it over. No, I'm
simply stating, you expand the court. You expand the court

(28:26):
so the Supreme Court can actually be on par with
the circuit courts. Thirteen circuit courts should be thirteen Supreme
Court justices. Now if you add for Supreme Court justices,
they can actually now rule on more cases.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
They can hear more cases. We're paying them.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
These are supposed to be the most brilliant legal minds
in the world.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Why do they have to rule on so few cases?
That makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
They could be literally hearing arguments multiple.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Times a day.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Why do we have this, Oh, let's wait for the
Supreme Court rulers to start coming down in May and
June before they go for the summer break, and it's
like eight and ten.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
It makes no sense, y'all. It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
And so to Greg's point, when you don't vote and
then you complain about the Supreme Court, then you're actually
taking away your power to eventually change the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
To his point, to change Supreme.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Court does not require a constitutional amendment. I love all
y'all people who keep yelling about the electoral college. Let
me be clear, you're not changing the electoral college.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I love the folks who said, oh man, that's what
you said about reparations. Okay, but I'm telling you right now,
to change the electoral college, you're gonna have to go
through the House, the Senate, the President, and then have
it ratified by a whole lot of states. Do you

(30:08):
think that North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, all those small
states are going to ratify attained litoral college the Answest know.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So what I'm talking about here, how can you make
DC estate? How can you make Puerto Rico state? Simple? Law? House? Senate? President?
A constitutional amendment? Is here?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
A law is here, understand. So if you change out
so much to say, right now, let's look at the
election next year. Let's see reaching you know, off hand
for the audience, how many Republicans are now.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
In the US Senate.

Speaker 10 (30:58):
I don't know off hand.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's like, well, I got a majority.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Oh in the Senate. I think it's fifty three or
fifty four, fifty three?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yep, fifty three, fifty So you got it, you're fifty three.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
So here's the thing, folks, fifty three As an election
next year, Susan Collins.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Can be beaten in Maine, no question down. There's fifty two.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Jony Ernst is not running in Iowa. Iowan's are really
pissed off with trumpet his policies.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Uh oh, they're now down to fifty one.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
If the folks in Texas, if the mag of people
support corrupt as Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton over current
United States Senator.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
John Cornyn, uh oh.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Texas could be in play if black folks maximize their
vote in Texas, young folks do, and they pick up
significant Hispanic and one third of white support. I think,
first of all, let's be real clear, she has an
announced I think depending on up on data. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,
it's gonna run for the United State Senate. Colin already

(32:05):
ain't got a chance, James tell Rico, ain't got a chance.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Betto may run Missouri lost twice before. You could have
a massive upset in Texas.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh, it's fifty to fifty osof is in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Oh where Cooper is running in North Carolina, former governor.
Now you're looking at fifty one forty nine Democrat if
you won forty nine Democrat.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
So again, you also have potentially shared brown in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yep, you got shared brown running.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
You got that for that particular seat as well.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Guess what fifty two forty.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Eight now would beat Fetterman, no question.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, because we already know Fetterman is going to be
the reincarnation or Cinema and Mansion.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
We already know that. So fetter Man is going. So
the question is how do you get to it? Oh
let's keep in mind, dad, us Senate race in Alaska
is not a lock for the Republicans. So I want
people to understand what we're talking about here. We're talking

(33:18):
about here is how do you begin to change power,
and you begin to change power. Go to my iPad,
and we were talking about those states. You see it
right here. You see Maine, you see North Carolina, you
see Georgia.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You got New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Democrats are gonna have to sit here and hold New Hampshire.
And then of course you got because retirement of Jeans
shaheen there. And then of course you got up Michigan.
You got a whole Michigan as well, and then you
got a whole Minnesota. So the bottom line is, if
you all of a sudden say pick up North Carolina, pick
up Maine, pick up Texas, pick up Iowa. That's four

(33:59):
seats again depend upon how stuff or if Trump keep
doing what you're doing, it's gonna be some pissed off Alaskans. I.
But here's the most important thing. If you set your
ass at at home and complain, Democrats can't win to
send it.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
You can't change Supreme Court, you can't pass.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Any laws, you can't do anything. You're all based upon voting.
And for the people say tangibles. You can't get a
single tangible during an election. You can only get a
tangible if a person wins. And so I know what

(34:42):
it felt like y'all were sitting in class, and I
know some of y'all watching and listening. Your eyes glossed over.
You were like, oh my god. This reminds me when
I was in government class in school. But that's also
part of the problem, because too many people weren't paying
attention to government class and the nine, tenth, eleventh, and
twelfth grade, they were daydreaming in the sixth, seventh, and

(35:06):
eighth grade. The problem that we have right now is
people don't understand basic civics. And the reality is you
cannot achieve anything in this country policy wise if you
do not change the politicians who are in office. That's

(35:28):
on the city council level, county, government, school board, state, federal,
and the federal folk impacts that you are.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
The president appoints Supreme Court justices. The Senate advises and consents,
meaning they can confirm or deny. All of these things
are interrelated, all of them. So whoever wins the presidency
can appoint the United States Supreme Court justice and they
must be confirmed by the Senators.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
And that Supreme Court justice.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Literally rules on laws that or rulese on laws that
are passed based upon lawss that are filed against the city,
school board, county, state, and federal.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So while you may be watching me right now.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Saying well, I like the sister in North Carolina who
called me in twenty sixteen who says she wasn't feeling
Hillary Clinton. She says, I'm going to focus on issues
in my state. And I said, really, can you tell
me the three top issues you care about? And she did,
And I drew a direct line between who was president
and the Senate to the issues in her state because

(36:39):
it never dawned on her while she was fighting for
laws in her city. She didn't realize that somebody could
file a lawsuit in federal court against that law and
a Supreme.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Court could rule on that law.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
In her city, she thought, because it was the city
and the Federal Supreme Court had no jurisdiction on that.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
But that is not the case.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
The United States Supreme Court is the law of the land.
They are the final arbiter of laws. Congress can pass
a law. Are y'all aware that even the Supreme Court
could declare a law passed by Congress to be unconstitutional?

(37:29):
So you'd better understand. If you sit out and check out,
then you lose out, I'll be right back on rolling unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
On the Blackstar.

Speaker 11 (37:39):
Network, violent white supremacy was quoted the most persistent and
lethal threat in the homeland.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
The greatest terrorist threats.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
Of the homeland is the homegrown boble strength.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Including hate crime committed on behalf of some kind of
white supremacy ideology. They are coming after that.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Everything in Black Maga and Donald Trump are specifically targeting
Black America. They're going after the money attack, Black lives
Man attack, critical racist attack. DEI Maga wants to defund
Black America.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
There's some perfect example of their desire.

Speaker 13 (38:22):
To completely degrad and de emphasize Black people.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Next on the Black Tape with me Gregco, the United
States is the most dangerous place for a woman to
give birth among all industrialized nations.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
On the planet.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Think about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That's not all.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
Black women are three times more likely to die in
this country during albert than white women.

Speaker 14 (39:01):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist. There are a lot
of white supremacists ideas and mythologies around black women, black
women's bodies, even black people that we experience.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Pangless Right activists, organizer and fearless freedom fighter Monifa I
can wool bandelay from Moms Rising, joins us and tells
us this shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted
in unadulterated races, and that's just one of her fights.
Monifa Bande lay on the next Black table here on

(39:36):
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Oh, I'm Bishop TV Jenks and you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Fellow judges order Trump administration to fully function that benefits
for November by Friday. The ruling rejects the administration's early
You're playing to only partially provide aid to forty two
million Americans. The order follows urgent pleas from plaintiffs who
emphasize the risk of hungred for millions, including children. Last week,
Trump folks said they would not tap into a congressionally

(40:14):
authorized four point sixty five billion contingency fund designed to
keep SNAP fully funded during emergencies. However, the judge ruled
that this refusal poses any immediate threat to food insecurity
for vulnerable families. Meanwhile, we're on day thirty seven as
long as German shut down in American history.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Sent the majority of Leader John.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Thunes's Republicans are waiting on Democrats to respond to proposal
that includes three full year funding bills and a promise
to reconsider a health care subsidies a promise to reconsider.
Yet Senate Democrats are meeting, probably to decide their next steps.
House speaking by Johnson's remains non committal on a vote
for healthcare subsidies. Foodly concerns are still may could continue
for longer. They also are trying to play a game

(40:51):
because see Democrats are like, wait, man, why should we
cut a deal?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
If y'all gon turn around? They know the deal. Here
is House Democratic Leader Hakim Jeffers.

Speaker 15 (41:03):
This is day thirty seven of the Trump Republican shut down,
and the position of House Democrats remains the same. We
will not support a partisan Republican spending bill that continues
to gut the healthcare of the American people. We're ready,

(41:24):
We're willing, We're able to sit down with our Republican
colleagues any time, any place in order to reopen the government,
to find a bipartisan path forward and to decisively address
the Republican healthcare crisis that continues to crush people all
across the country. Tens of millions of Americans who are

(41:46):
in the open enrollment period right now are seeing their premiums, copais,
and deductibles skyrocket, in some cases by one thousand or
two thousand dollars per month. That is unsustainable, particularly in
this country right now, which is experiencing an affordability crisis.

(42:07):
Life has gotten more expensive under Donald Trump and Republican policies.
This is from a group of people led by Donald Trump,
who promised that costs were going to go down on
day one.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Costs haveing gone down.

Speaker 16 (42:21):
In America.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Costs are through the roofs.

Speaker 15 (42:25):
Housing costs are up, Grocery costs are up, childcare costs
are up, Electricity bills are skyrocketing.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
And now, because of the Republican refusal to extend the
Affordable Care Act.

Speaker 15 (42:36):
Tax credits, healthcare premiums are going to drive some people
into medical bankruptcy and tens of millions of folks won't
be able to provide a doctor when they need one.
That's why we have to decisively address the Republican health
care crisis, and that's why we need Donald Trump to
show some leadership, stop hiding, show some leadership. Direct Mike

(43:04):
Johnson and John Thune, both of whom worked for you.
Donald Trump is the puppet master of congressional Republicans. Show
some leadership, direct them to sit down so we can
authentically enter into a bipartisan negotiation and end this Republican
madness now.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Racing.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Very simple, Democrats cannot and should not give in force
Republicans to see to their demands. Don't fall for the
promise to consider suption East. No, make it happen.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Well to borrow from our alphabet gang friends, cut the check.
Do not allow Republicans to give you absolutely nothing when
Republicans just got their ass kicked on Tuesday. Because Americans
are sick of Republicans shit. They are sick of Maga,
They're sick of Mike Johnson, They're sick of John Thune.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
They are sick of Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
A potato sat could have won half of these elections
if they had a D next to their name as
opposed to an R. We cannot trust the Republicans to negotiate.
Of course, they want a three year funding deal to
get so that Democrats and never have another chance to
have leverage unless the levers turn over to a Democratic majority.
Here's the thing. What Republicans are doing right now is

(44:27):
they are trying to maximize pain, maximize maximize cruelty, and
maximize the harm that they are inflicting on the American people.
The reason why our reality TV transportation secretary is cutting
ten percent of flights starting four percent tomorrow and ten
percent by the end of the.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
Week, it's again because they want to make shit miserable
for people.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
They want people to get to pay to these airports
and play Christy Om's propagandist video and blame Democrats for
the fact that their flights are being canceled when the
fact of the matter is that Sean Duffy doesn't what
the hell he's doing. They've already attacked FAA air traffic
controllers as soon as they got in office, and we've
had multiple plane crashes on their watch. Donald Trump is

(45:09):
withholding it, admit it as much, and the judge smacked
him down for admitting that he wants to starve people
and use these people's starvation and their inability to put
food on the table as the equivalent of a gun
to Democrats head. He wants to extort the votes from Democrats,
and Democrats should not fold. The reality is either cancel

(45:30):
the fucking filibuster Republicans and use your own votes because
you're in the majority in the Senate, you're in the
majority in the House, that you have the White House,
and open up the damn government yourself, or you get
the votes that you need from Democrats by negotiating. Mike Johnson,
call your little bitches back to Congress.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
You don't have to have the Epstein files release.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Get over it, swear in the lady from Arizona and
open the government.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
Do your jobs, period.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
No One, one thousand percent.

Speaker 9 (46:01):
You know, and everything that is happening that everything that
we're seeing, things that I'm hearing from people that are
you know, working still at these agencies, although very.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
None of them are really functioning at capacity.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
Is you know, these secretaries, they won't go out and
they won't say it, but they are catching hell back
at their agencies, especially when we're talking about an agency
like the FAA, because we're talking about lives right and
I'm just now seeing that because USAID would shut down.
Now we are looking at close to six hundred thousand

(46:39):
deaths worldwide. The bodies are adding up, and the bodies
are going to continue to add up when children aren't
able to get their Snap benefits because thirty four percent
of children are on SNAP benefits children children.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
So yes, you know, I place.

Speaker 9 (47:01):
Definitely a lot of blame at the feet of the Republicans.
But the one thing that I do want to say
about the Democrats is that you know, they are holding together.
That is not an easy thing to do. But I
am interested and what an exit strategy looks like because
real people are being affected and impacted, and you know,

(47:25):
as someone who has friends and colleagues who still work
in these agencies who don't know what's going to happen
tomorrow or the next week, they don't know if they're
going to get back pay. This is very serious and
as consequences for people's everyday lives.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
But here's the thing here, Greg, The reality is people
are being hurt across the board. They're being hurt when
they cut Snap benefits. They're being hurt with lack of
health care. They're being hurt with with healthcare premiums increasing.
Only that you have members of Congress. I saw a
tweet earlier from Congressmen Emmanuel Cleaver who said, first of all,

(48:01):
back pay is literally the law of the land.

Speaker 16 (48:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Granted you can have where Trump may think he can
do whatever hell he wants to, but then you're going
to have to run up against the actual law when
it comes to this whole issue. And so that's the right.
This is this is one second. This right here is
the tweet from him. Federal workers are entiled to back
pay following a government shut down. Any attempt to withhold

(48:25):
this pay from federal workers would be legal, illegal, and
morally reprehensible. But here's the piece. If you do not
use the leverage that you have, then you cannot gain
any changes, especially with the Republicans controlling the House, controlling
the Senate, controlling the White House. This is how you
have to use your leverage, influence and power.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
It's very true, Roman, and we talked about this again.
We talked about it on Tuesday night. There had already
begun a trickle of reporting that some quote unquote moderate
Democrats and moderate Republicans senators were caucusing together quietly trying
to figure out the outline of a deal, and that
the quote unquote liberal or progressive senators were apoplectic, were furious. Well,

(49:11):
that calculus changed Tuesday night, as we're talking about, when
you saw this wave of people saying that's enough. It
put at least temporarily enough steel in the spines of
the so called moderate Democrats in the Senate that they
backed out. Now apparently as the reporting goes from considering

(49:31):
some kind of talks for a deal and as far
as the Republicans go, I embrace them because this is
the last play they have left. The Republican Party is
on the verge of death and collapse. The commercial news
entertainment mass media has to continue to promote this idea
that all the Democrats are in disarray, circular firing squad,
because they're trying to sell ads and sell newspapers and

(49:53):
draw eyeballs. But the reality is that the party that
is in trouble in this country is the White Nationalist
Party because they're on the verge of collapse. They don't
have another card. So when you read Judge McConnell's order today,
and he was furious, he read from the bench before issuing.
In issuing it in writing, he said, I told y'all earlier,
you've got to release this. And then you come back

(50:15):
and say that you're trying or the Agriculture Department has
more new rules, and then watch this. This is crazy
because one of the officials in the government said that
they have been complying with the order. So now what
the Republicans are doing right now is just straight lying.
The master of the course is the macka muppet, Mike Johnson.
He just gets on stage and whatever it is he

(50:37):
says the opposite the person behind this, the puppet master.
If there's one person you can put this on, is
a little nasty piece of work that gnarled human soul
Russell Vote at the Office of Management and Budget, because
Vote understands something. If he doesn'understand anything else, I can
just get to the point where I just tied up
in administrative functions. Agriculture said we've got new reds and

(50:58):
it's going to slow it down. And when all these fails,
I just ignore the courts. They've already said today they're
going to appeal this. But here's where the calculus is
going to ultimately break their back. If the Democrats can
stick together, as we've said, all you gotta do is
put people in so much pain that, like anything else
that is unbearable, they move to remove the source of

(51:21):
the pain. The sources of pain is Republicans. They're out
of places to hide and when they just go through
the straight open top out of court and straight line,
you know that their desperation has brought you almost to
the brink of victory. If you can just hold the
line a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Absolutely, folks gotta go to the break. We come back.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
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will have our headlines. Plus we'll talk about that maggot
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this time talking about Michelle Obama and the hair of
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Speaker 11 (52:36):
Violent white supremacy is quote, the most persistent legal threat
in the homeland.

Speaker 13 (52:41):
The greatest terrorist threats of the homeland is the homegrown
boler strength, including hate crime committed on behalf of some
kind of white supremacist ideology.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
They are coming after that everything in Black America. MAGA
and Donald Trump are specifically targeting Black America. They are
going after the money attack, Black lives man attack, critical
racist attack.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
We MAGA wants to defund Black America.

Speaker 13 (53:06):
There's some perfect example of their desire to completely degrade
and de emphasize Black people.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's your boy earthquake, you know, giving Roland Martin something
to do because you know you don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
You're from Texas. Ain't as fault.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Fulk So electually for the next president of Team STIRS
is next year and it stands as a pivot, pivotal
moment for the labor organization. More than one point three
million members of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, or of
the nation's most powerful unions, which choose between the current
press this Shan O'Brien, who has gotten extremely close to
MAGA and Donald Trump, and challenger Richard Hooker Junior, a
Philadelphia Teamster who demands a union that truly serves working people.

(54:10):
Richard Jones us now from Chicago where he's campaigning. Richard,
glad to have you here. Why don't you make the
decision that you want to be the next president? Was
there something specific that caused you to say, you know what,
it's time for me to challenge Shann O'Brien.

Speaker 17 (54:25):
Well, we made the decision this summer because of all
the things that have been happening within the Teamsters, his
flirtation with the anti labor antil working class administration and
Donald Trump, along with a lot of our largest contract
with ups and sim of the things that happened there.

(54:46):
And we have to make a decision where do we
want this organization to go. And we believe now is
the time because our members are not happy, our rank
and file members are not happy with the direction that
the teams are going.

Speaker 16 (55:01):
In and why not us?

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Now you talk about that.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
And the reality is that we saw Sean O'Brien speak
at the Republican National Convention.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
He did not speak the Democratic National Convention. He was not.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Happy about that, and he also openly chastised Vice President
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
He went on, he was.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
On the podcast talking about how she walked in and
she was insulting and how she expected their endorsement even
though she was the one who cast the critical vote
to restore the pension to pay out the pensions. Was
it six hundred thousand teamsters? This was the most pro

(55:42):
union administration since FDR, and you had other labor unions
that were supporting this administration, and he acted like they
hadn't done a damn thing for teamsters in labor, I know.

Speaker 17 (55:56):
And it's still shocking to all of us because it's
one thing to support someone who you feel as though
just a rubber stamp, but the other option has a
resume that does not does not include helping work in
people at all. You're talking about his first term rolling

(56:18):
back labor protections. Then he gets back in there and
look what he does to the MLRB, Look what he's
done to the TSA workers. Look what he's doing right
now to the federal workers. So to have a relationship
with a person like that and to have an idea
that you believe that this administration is going to help us,

(56:39):
I still can't believe it. A lot of us can't
believe it. And again, this is why things have to
change within our organization. We can't hit you down this road.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
After they made the decision not to endorse her, And
of course, the last time, if I'm correct, the last
time the team Shers did not endorse. They didn't indorse
Hillary Clinton. And so a lot of people like, yo,
what's up? Teams just can endorse women?

Speaker 18 (57:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Not only that not.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
A single Republican supported the American Rescue plan that included
that thirty six billion dollar bill out of Teamsters and
other pensions. Not only that the Teamsters they're endorsing Vibek
Ramaswami for governor of Ohio.

Speaker 19 (57:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
When Ramaswami and Elon Musk and Donald Trump were all
joking about, guys, go to my iPad, come on, they
were all joking about, uh, you know how hey, you know,
if folks strike, we should we should be crossing the line.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I mean that that right there, And you're like like,
what the hell is going on?

Speaker 17 (57:38):
I'm with you and and and why do we put
ourselves in a position where we want a trusted person
like this, like you said to your point, brother Rowland,
Elon Musk and Donald Trump, we're on a a liveline
talking about you know, uh, we like what you do
the workers when they're going strike, you know, you fire them.

(58:01):
And this is who we align ourselves with that they can't.
This cannot be the direction of the Teamsters. We're better
than that, We're bigger than that. And this election is
going to prove that members are not happy with the
direction of the Teamsters.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
What is your plan of action? What do you want
to get done? If you are president of the team's
res union.

Speaker 17 (58:22):
So we're going to have to make sure that our
members have open transparency, open bargaining so there are no
everything that's going on in their contracts. With the threat
of AI and automation, we're going to have to make
sure that our local unions have resources to continue to
fight for their members because automation is going to take
jobs not just from our bargaining unit members, but also

(58:45):
members within the working class. So how can we organize
workers if they're not working. So we got to make
sure that we help our locals out through making sure
they keep some of their resources, not sending them to
the IBT. And also we've got to get rid of
retaliation and retribution that goes on in our international in
our locals because quite as it's kept the International Union

(59:09):
and this Trump administration mirrors of each other. They want
blind loyalty. If you don't give it to him, they'll
come after you with guns blazing. And so that's why
the teams just need to move in a more progressive,
a more transparent, and a more honest direction. And that's
what we're going to deliver for our members.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I talked about what Sean O'Brien said about Vice President
Kamala Harris, and they did not endorse her, and he
described that he goes on the podcast of White Nationally
Tucker Cars and talks about her. I guess he forgot
when that vote came up. She was the tie breaking
vote that god that saved the pensions of some six

(59:52):
hundred thousand teamsterures.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
This is what he actually said.

Speaker 19 (59:56):
One of my vice presidents, a woman named Joan Corry,
out of my local.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
She said on our General Executive board. Was at an
event with.

Speaker 19 (01:00:06):
Vice President Harris, and you know, they're going through the
line to get the picture and Joan introduces herself to
Vice President Harris.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Is, I'm Joan Corey. I'm on the general executive board
for the Teams. Thiss.

Speaker 19 (01:00:18):
She goes Teams this, you better get on board, You
better get on board. Better get on board soon. So
fast forward. She finally agrees to come after we were
putting pressure on her, you know, basically because I was
doing interviews all over the place. Same we haven't got
invited to the DNC, you know, they haven't accepted our

(01:00:38):
invitation for her to come to a roundtable. So she
comes to the roundtable, same format, same questions. Rank and
file members are asking her questions just like they asked
every other candidate, and they were trying to negotiate with us.
She only wants to answer three questions. Were like, there's
sixteen questions there. So she answers three of them, and

(01:00:59):
on the fourth question, one of her operatives or one
of her staff slips and know in front of me,
this will be the last question. And it was twenty
minutes earlier than the time that it was going to end.
End her declaration on the way out was I'm gonna
win with you or without.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Hugh Richard. Vice president.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Harris writes in her book she knew walking into that
room that frankly was a setup and she wasn't going
to get the endorsement, and so she talked about that.
But again, this is what amazes me. The Teachers has
one point three million members. She was the one who
cast the ballot ballot, I mean the vote, the tie

(01:01:40):
breaking vote that saved the pinsions of half of the union.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'm sorry if.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I saved your ass with your pensions and not a
single Republican voted for it. And you're Sean O'Brien and
you're going to the Republican National Convention speaking and kissing
maga ass.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
You damn right, I expect the endorsement, like really.

Speaker 16 (01:02:05):
Brother Rotherland.

Speaker 17 (01:02:06):
Again, one thing that you may not know that Teamsters
have an issue with misogyny in race. Like you said,
you know, a person cast the deciding vote to save
your pension and his pension got a whole lot of money.

Speaker 20 (01:02:24):
Brother.

Speaker 17 (01:02:24):
I don't know if you know that, but his pension
in New England got a whole lot of money, and
so you would think that he would be the most
appreciative and say, you know what, you know, let's go
ahead on and support her. But again, when misogyny in
race is more important than your pension, this is the outcome,

(01:02:46):
and this is the problem, and this is why we
decided to run, because the teamsters are not in a
place where we're going in the right direction, haven't been
for a long long time.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
Questions from my panel, Greg you first, thank you, thank you,
and Brother Hooker, I mean, listen, man, I appreciate you,
and you kind of answered the question I was going
to ask when you mentioned race and misogyny and the
teams Just I'm wondering how the rank and file, the membership,

(01:03:18):
the folks you're trying to now pull together to support
you and support your slave. What have been some of
the fractures between the rank and file and this clearly
racist leadership. I mean, I'm sure there's enough energy and
there's enough support to get you in the office, but
how do you plan on kind of reaching to folks

(01:03:38):
through the rank and file.

Speaker 17 (01:03:41):
So one of the things that we've been doing since
this summer is going across the country talking to all
the ranking file members that we can and tell them
that there's a better option, there's a better way, and
not just through through talking, but also listening to their issues,
and our platform speaks the record to those issues. What
has played the Teamsters for many, many years is this

(01:04:04):
transparency issue, and things been done behind closed doors. So
I've been I've been in teams for twenty six years
and I've worked for twenty of those years at UPS.
For the last six of been an elected official in
my local And so when we talk to our members,
we know where they're coming from because we have that relationship,

(01:04:26):
because we've done the job that they're doing, and when
we listen to their issues, we have experienced what they're
going through. And so programs like this talking to the
members face to face and listening to them as well
as there was an article in a Guardian that did
a peace on myself and the current general president, and

(01:04:48):
it shoed a light into the issues that plague our organization,
the race issue two point nine million dollar racial discrimination
lawsuit retally creation issue with O'Brien has a long history
of doing those kinds of things, and then you're talking
about his flirtation with Donald Trump. All these things intertwined

(01:05:13):
with who he is and how he's leading this organization.
And when we can tell people our plan and how
we plan on changing things, it resonates with our rank
and file members, because that's how we're going to win
this election.

Speaker 16 (01:05:25):
You, the rank and foul, the officers, they're going to
be here or miss.

Speaker 17 (01:05:29):
A lot of them are on a payroad, a lot
of them are scared because of retaliation from the General President.

Speaker 16 (01:05:36):
And so again, like you said, Brother Carr, we're going
to have to make sure.

Speaker 17 (01:05:40):
Our message is about building power within the rank and
file and they see that with our platform Racy.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
Thank you for being with us.

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
I'm a numbers girl, so I'm curious mathematically what does
your path to victory look like and what does that
coedtion look like?

Speaker 17 (01:05:58):
Right, So, if you look at the last election that
the current General President won, we have one point three
million Teamsters, less than two hundred thousand members voted, less
than two hundred thousand. So if we could get right
now four hundred people in every local to vote, we
win this election. It's not going to be as difficult

(01:06:19):
as people think because it's about four hundred four hundred
to semi locals. So you're talking about one hundred and
sixty thousand people that vote and turn out for us,
we win. But again we're going to have to make
sure that we stay in front of our members, tell
them our platform, reassure them that we're just not talking,
because again we have receased to show who we are

(01:06:39):
and what we've been doing. In twenty twenty or excuse me,
in twenty nineteen, I was the first African American to
be elected in my local and six twenty three in
Philadelphia last month in the history again by becoming the
first administration not to have anybody run against us because
we transformed our local plan in a vision that we're

(01:07:02):
going to do with the international. We plan on transforming
the international, and we have receased to show because again
we've done it before.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Noah, thank you so much, mister Hooker for this work.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
I've been in the Union, I think since I was
ten years old, so I definitely, you know, I'm very
pro Union.

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
So what you're.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Describing sounds like a culture situation.

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
You know, so much of this has sounded like easily
could have been a scene in an Irishman or very
half a esque. You know, when you talk about the
culture of loyalty, not being transparent, and you also mentioned
the positive things you've been able to do in your local.
So how do you gauge that people are ready for change?
Do you pull your members or how are.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
You gauging that people are ready for a culture shift?

Speaker 9 (01:07:53):
Because culture shifts and institutions like team service, that's a
heavy lift.

Speaker 16 (01:08:00):
Excuse me, it is.

Speaker 17 (01:08:02):
We gauge our members by the conversations that we have
and by us listening to their concerns. Everywhere we've been
so far, every member has the same concern. We want
to know what's going on in our in our union.
We don't like how we're being treated by an employer
because I have a thing that I say, you can't

(01:08:23):
stop the employer for from dominating you and disrespecting you
and retaliating against you if you don't first get rid
of it in your own organization. And that's the thing
that we're going to have to do in order to
start winning against these employers, and our members are ready
for that. Again, our largest contract is UPS, and a
lot of people focus on UPS, but we also have

(01:08:44):
another one million members who don't get that, you know,
don't get that support that they need.

Speaker 16 (01:08:49):
Our pipeline members.

Speaker 17 (01:08:51):
You know, if I tell you guys from stories about them,
you're talking about a group of workers who have to
pay double the dues but don't get the representation.

Speaker 16 (01:08:59):
How that even possible?

Speaker 20 (01:09:01):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
And then you talk about other workers, the sanitation workers
and the airline workers.

Speaker 16 (01:09:06):
Look what's going on now with the airlines? You know.
So once you start listening.

Speaker 17 (01:09:11):
To people on their knees and you develop a plan,
they and they know where you're coming from, and you're
open and you're honest, and you're talking about building power
from the bottom up, not the top down. That resonates
with workers because look what's going on in the working
class right now. We are under a serious tack and
the only way that we get through this is about

(01:09:31):
working together.

Speaker 16 (01:09:32):
But people need to feel that you.

Speaker 17 (01:09:35):
Have their best interest at heart, and they feel that
when we talk to them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
All right, then, with Richard Hooker wins the election.

Speaker 16 (01:09:43):
Next November, you're from now, all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Right, Well, you're gonna be real busy over the next year,
keep us a breast of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
How this thing is going.

Speaker 16 (01:09:50):
Yes, sir, thank you again for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Thanks a bunch, all right, folks, gotta go to break,
we come back, We're gonna have the headlines of Britney Noble.
Then we're gonna talk about that maggot Meghan and Kelly.
She always it's got something to say about black folk,
especially black women, and she has some comments regard to
Michelle Obama, and normally I know her tide trifling the ass,

(01:10:12):
but I think it's important that I say a couple
of words. You're watching rolling by unfiltered right here on
the Black Shilt Network.

Speaker 20 (01:10:23):
If in this country right now, you have people get
up in the morning and the only thing they can
think about is how many people they can hurt.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
And they've got the power. That's the time for morning,
for better or worse.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
What makes America special, it's that legal system that's supposed
to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
We are at a point of a moral emergency. We
must raise a voice of outrage, We must raise.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
A voice of compassion, and we must raise a voice
of unity.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
We are not in a crisis of party versus party.

Speaker 20 (01:11:02):
We are in a crisis of civilization, a humans rights crisis,
and a crisis of democracy itself. And guess what You've
been chosen to make sure that those that would destroy,
those that would hate, don't have the final say and
they don't ultimately.

Speaker 18 (01:11:21):
Win hatred on the streets a horrific scene white nationalists
rally that descended into deadly violent.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
White people are moving their their mine.

Speaker 16 (01:11:36):
As a man way coach from mark Storms to the
US Capital to show we're about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
To see the lives that I call white minority resistance.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 19 (01:11:50):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 15 (01:11:56):
Every time that people of color and be in progress,
the real or symbolic there has been that Carol Anderson.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Every university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Is the right of the croud boys and the Boogaaloo
boys America.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
This country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
People, the pe that they're taking our job, they're taking
out our resources, they're taking out women.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
This is white being.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
This week on the other side of change book.

Speaker 7 (01:12:45):
Fans anti intellectualism and Trump's continued war on wisdom.

Speaker 21 (01:12:49):
This is a coordinated backlash to progress. At the end
of the day, conservatives realize that they couldn't win a
debate on facts instead of using our language against us.
Right when we were all woke and the woke movement
and all that kind of stuff, now everything is anti woke.
Right when we were talking about including diversity, equity, inclusion,
and higher education, now it's anti d all this our

(01:13:10):
efforts to suppress the truth, because truth empowers people.

Speaker 10 (01:13:14):
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Speaker 16 (01:13:59):
I am Lavelle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
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wanted to breathe, and.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
All right, So breaking news.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Former NFL wide receiver Tonyo Brown has been arrested in
Dubai and as being extrayed to the United States. He's
been a charge of attempted murder for firing into a
crowd at an event in Miami in May. He fled
to Dubai I guess he didn't check the extradition treaties
that exist there, so he is being flown back to

(01:15:28):
the United States to face attempted murder charges. All right, folks,
out of headlines, it's Brittany.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Noble re acquitted, a former Department of Justice employee who
threw a sandwich at a federal agent in Washington, d C.
During an August protest. Seawn Dunn was found not guilty
of misdemeanor assaults for hurling a hogi after confronting a
group of officers patrolling.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
A popular DC nightlife area.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
The acquittal marks an embarrassing loss for federal prosecutors, who
pursued the misdemeanor charge after a grand jury refused to
return an indict on the felony assault count they initially sought.
US District Judge Carl Nichols, the Trump appointed judge overseeing
the case, called it the simplest case in the world.
While a federal judge has issued a preliminary injunction limiting

(01:16:13):
federal immigration agent's use of force in Chicago's Operation Midway Blitz,
a ruling sparked by disturbing video and testimony. One incident
smarked outrage city wide. ICE agents entered the Chicago daycare
and forcibly removed the teacher illegally authorized asylum seeker in
front of children. Chicago officials condemned the act that shocking

(01:16:35):
and unacceptable. Judge Sarah Ellis sharply criticized the government for
lying under oath, saying agents' body camera videos show clear
evidence of excessive force, including tear gas deployed without warning,
pepper bullets fired at protesters, and chaos instigated on the
streets and outside the Broadview ICE facility. The judge's injunction

(01:16:56):
orders agents to strictly adhere to constitutional limits on four
and requires full identification and use of body cameras for
officers in the field. Speaking of Chicago, a federal judge
ordered US Immigrations and Customs to Enforcement to immediately improved
conditions at one of its detention centers after reports of
overcrowding and unsanitary treatment of detainees. The ruling follows multiple

(01:17:20):
complaints describing unsafe temperatures, spoiled food, and limited access to
medical care within the facility, located west of downtown Chicago.
Civil rights groups say the case highlights the growing crisis
inside US immigration detention centers, where black immigrants, especially those
from Africa and the Caribbean, are often among the most
neglected and least protected. Advocates argue the decision is a

(01:17:43):
major step towards accountability, but the broader reform is still
needed to ensure humane treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
For all people held in federal custody.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
In its latest State of Black America report, the Urban
League warns that decades of civil rights progress are being
rolled back, from voting rights and edge to housing and
healthcare so that Mark Moriol calls it a coordinative assault
on equality and democracy, urging immediate action to defend hard
won freedoms. The organization is now mobilizing communities nationwide to

(01:18:12):
push back through advocacy, organizing, and the courts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
The Urban League frames.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
This as an urgent call to action, not just for
Black America, but for the nation's future. A democracy willing
to destroy itself rather than deliver justice is a democracy
in crisis, warned Morial.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
He went on to say this is an emergency.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
The National Urban League urges vigilance, mobilization, solidarity, and support.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Black women are leading a wave of change in city
halls for the first time in New York history, voters
elected black women to service mayor. In Albany, Dorsey of
Flyers will be the city's first black mayor, winning by
a landslide after years of public service roles. Meanwhile, in Sarahcuse,
the Sharon Owens declared victory, becoming syracuses first Black mary

(01:19:00):
elect and only the second woman to hold the role.
She won the election in the landslide, claiming almost seventy
five percent of all the votes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Roland all right, Brittany, I appreciate it, folks. We're gonna
go to break we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
I got a few things to say about Meghan Kelly,
her trifling ass. She's always talking about black people, especially
the black women. Someone deal with that when we come back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Right here on rollingd moutin. I'm filtering on the Blackstone Network.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Next on the Black Tape with me Gredco. The United
States is the most dangerous place for a woman to
give birth among all industrialized nations on the planet. Think
about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
That's not all.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Black women are three times more likely to die in
this country during childbirth than white women.

Speaker 14 (01:19:53):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist. There are a lot
of white supremacists, ideas and mythologies around black women, black
women's bodies, even black people that we experience paying less right.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Activists, organized and fearless freedom fighter Monifa I canwil band
Lay from Mom's Rising, joins us and tells us this
shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted in unadulterated races.
And that's just one of her fights. Monita Vandalay on
the Next Black Table here on the Black.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Star Network.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
This week, on the Other Side of Change.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
Book fans anti intellectualism and Trump's continued war on wisdom.

Speaker 21 (01:20:37):
This is a coordinated backlash to progress. At the end
of the day, conservatives realized that they couldn't win a
debate on facts.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
They started using our language against us. Right, remember when
we were all woke and the woke movement and all that.

Speaker 16 (01:20:51):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Now everything is anti woke. Right when we were talking about.

Speaker 21 (01:20:54):
Including diversity, equity, inclusion, and higher education, Now it's antidi
all this our efforts to press the truth because truth
empowers people.

Speaker 10 (01:21:02):
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Network this week, on a Balance Life for Doctor Jackie.
We're continuing our series of putting in the works a
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has a business, trying to figure out what your next
steps will be, who to talk to and.

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your purpose, your why of being in the kitchen and
then knowing how to put a business together.

Speaker 24 (01:21:34):
The menus controls everything, It determines The menu determines everything,
but the business plan is where you have to go.

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Back to when you get into the business. At the
end of the day. You know, social media and TV,
all of that stuff is cool, but you still have
to run a business, so you still have to be
in relationship with people.

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That's all next on a Balance Life with Doctor Jackie
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Lil Thompson with Women with Black Men Dot Org. You're
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Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
All right, folks have for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
The US House Nancy Pelosi decides that she is retiring.
Made the decision today. A lot of people have been
commenting on that. One of the people who work with
her as communications directors actually at the end. She jos
us right now, Ashley, your thoughts perspective on this decision
to Pelosi to finally retire, Yeah, I mean finally.

Speaker 25 (01:22:39):
I mean it's upsetting to me. I mean, it's a
sad day. It's the end of an era. But the
reality is is, you know, all things, good things come
to an end. From my perspective, I think, you know,
Anti Pelosi is an object lesson in leadership and power.
I mean, take party out of it, take gender out
of it, any other sort of negative, just look at it.

(01:22:59):
Objective and she is an object lesson one that should
be studied by.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
All, no matter who you are, on how to boss up.

Speaker 25 (01:23:06):
And so for me, I just was able to watch
her up close and in those meetings, and it was
like a masterclass and how to build and wild and
leverage power. To watch her work with such clarity of
purpose and conviction and a deep sense of purpose to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
The nation, I mean it was incredible.

Speaker 25 (01:23:24):
And you know, she gave me opportunities to not only
be at the center of history, but to make history myself,
serving in the role that I did leading the impeachment
war room for Donald Trump. So, I mean, there's so
much to say and unpack about Nancy Pelosi. She is
by far the most effective speaker in our lifetime, as

(01:23:44):
well as the most effective.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Legislature of our lifetime.

Speaker 25 (01:23:47):
Legislature, I should say, we look at the situation with
the shutdown happening right now, everyone's digging their heels in.
You have somebody like Pelosi was a leader who worked
with George Bush despite her opposition to the war to
get the biggest climate bill change. She worked with Donald
Trump on trade agreements despite her opposition to his indifference to.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
The Constitution and his oath of office.

Speaker 25 (01:24:11):
So to me, she's an object lesson in leadership, one
that we should all study and learn from.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
When she leaves, she would have served thirty nine years.
When she also leaves in January twenty twenty seven, she'ld
be eighty six years old, and there have been a
growing crowd among Democrats. Is time to replace the old
guard now? When she stepped she stepped down, the speaker,
Stemmy Harrier's step back Congress, and Jim Clyburn stepped back.
But all three of them actually remained in Congress, And

(01:24:38):
it was sort of weird to have the former top
leadership of the Democratic Party still in Congress where you
have the new leadership, and that made things uncomfortable, frankly
for a lot of members, where in essence, people felt
that Pelosi was looking over the shoulder of Hakeen Jefferson
still wielding power, where.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
He was trying to unite his caucus.

Speaker 25 (01:24:59):
You said people felt that way, Yes, Oh, I mean, listen,
I think it's a hard position for both of them
to be in. I mean because the experience, the expertise,
the strategic sort of five dimensional chess that Nancy Pelosi
plays is in value to the caucus.

Speaker 6 (01:25:18):
Especially in this particular moment.

Speaker 25 (01:25:20):
But I also understand mister Jefferies in new leadership saying
that they need this space to actually figure out.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
How to lead in this moment.

Speaker 25 (01:25:27):
So I've always understood both sides of this particular argument,
and I understand Pelosi enough to know that there is
a definite some truth to her still trying to will power.
I mean, you see Proposition fifty happening in California.

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
She spearheaded that effort.

Speaker 25 (01:25:43):
I mean, she brought Holder and Obama together almost ten
years ago to look around the corner and focus on
this redistricting effort. So it's hard to stop somebody like Nancy.
But you know, she's only got one year left and
then it'll be, you know, all to the current leadership.

Speaker 16 (01:25:59):
To to to lead.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Obviously first female Speaker of the House again wielded power ruthlessly,
if you will, Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
And uh had a whole lot of times. Let's just
be real.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
I mean, that's the thing about Pelosi.

Speaker 25 (01:26:18):
She's got all the skills, soft, hard, and she weaponizes
them at any moment given, given what's necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
No, no, I'm just saying, I'm gonna say it wasn't
sometimes a whole lot of times.

Speaker 22 (01:26:32):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
But when you're in power, in your leadership, sometimes you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Have to be no, no, no, I understand that. No, No,
I didn't. I didn't say she I just say she didn't.
I'm making the point that she did a lot. That's
what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Yeah, So it's not like I'm saying it's a criticism.
The biggest criticism I have heard is that she was
pathetic when it comes to come and talking to black
black media where I purposely called I purposely call her out,
and I thought it was shameful how she would she
could easily go to seeing in m S NBC. Well,
she wouldn't come talk to black meat. Yeah, I'll give
you a story. When I was running those social media
posts with her and Kent Clause and where's Nancy? I

(01:27:06):
heard back from her personal not happy or somebody told
Don Brazil, what does he think this is going to
make us?

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
So remember when I called my man, Joe Madison, I
told him what I was doing. Joe said, I staying
with you one hundred percent. So he goes on the
air the next day and he talks about me calling
her out where her people were listing, and he told
me point blake that he hadn't got had her on
like four or five six years. He said, hell, I
stopped asking, But when he said he stood with me,
he said, man. When the show was over, his phone

(01:27:34):
rang and they said Joe canby come on? And she
was on the next day, and so Joe said, rolland
and he said she wouldn't have came on if you
didn't call out.

Speaker 19 (01:27:44):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:27:44):
I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 25 (01:27:45):
You know where my position has been on this particular issue.
I've always pressed every one of my bosses to do
more interviews with black media and black journalists, no matter
if they're at black media islets or not. And you know,
Pelosi was one of them. Was that I would consistently
push and encourage to do it. Obama, I mean, pick
it and choose the Kamala Harris, every one of them.

(01:28:06):
I've always been a big proponent of black media, but
more than just that, but speaking and talking directly to
black voters, and the best way to do that is
through black media.

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
So I was always a proponent of it.

Speaker 25 (01:28:18):
The reality is is, you know a lot of these
elected officials have people around them and they're up and
down throughout the party that don't agree with me on
that particular issue, don't think that it's necessary to do
a lot of black media. So that's always an imposition.
But people like you know, well, I can only speak
for myself. I mean I've always encouraged it, And even

(01:28:38):
in that moment when you were protesting and making your point,
I never discourage you from doing that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
You know, I was internally trying to push to make
it actually happen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, and so again, so I mean, no doubt me,
she'll go down as one of the greatest speakers in
American history and definitely hard act to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
And so we'll see if when she.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Steps away and the new Congress has worn in, if
that gay was going to be handed to hak Kim Jeffers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
I got my fingers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Crossed, all right, Ashley, all right, then let's see here,
pat On, anybody got something said by Nancy Pelosi before
I go to my next door?

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi ain't never given up power. Toll they
take it to the cemetery, And when they take it
to the cemetery, she probably gonna have a damn plan
for figuring out how to rule from the grave. If
I'm Haquem Jeffries, I'm wearing bulletproof vests in the front
end and back until she finally pulls her last card.
Because if you think Nancy Pelosi leaving Congress is the
end of Nancy Pelosi, you're not paying attention.

Speaker 7 (01:29:40):
Power concedes nothing. Nobody has to step aside for you
to be powerful. If you powerful, you powerful. And Nancy
Pelosi proved that regardless of a title.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
No, Nancy, you know, Nancy is the goat.

Speaker 9 (01:29:53):
She will always be the shade queen, you know, And
she is about strategy, She's about substance. With everything perfect.
Absolutely not. But even with her stepping away, you know,
even if it's not fully on her own terms, it
still keeps her her legacy intact. And again good strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Absolutely And also when Brittany did that story on the
Sandwich dude been acquitted, I could not help but laugh.
How stupid is Trump prosecuted Jean Piro reci I mean,
they couldn't die him on Feelingly Chargers. They did some
bullshit misdemeanor and then you take it to take it
to trial and your stupid ass lose again. A granted
he was a DOJ employee, he gets fired, but Piero

(01:30:35):
looks like a damn idiot trying to prosecute that dude.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
Listen, long live the Sandwich King of DC. I am
here for.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
He got arrested running slow bo shit, he got up.
I stopped so often that I room for a white
man beating the case.

Speaker 8 (01:30:52):
But this man, give him all the things. Somebody give
him the subway.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, yeah, he needs some mic subs or subway endorsement deal, something.

Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
Give him all the things.

Speaker 18 (01:31:06):
I love it.

Speaker 20 (01:31:07):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:07):
I always walk around with people don't try that shit,
but I do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
I do love this headline and media.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
I had foot long and fancy free DC jury fines
protester Anchwine. Come on, bro, thank you DC jury fines
protester who lob saying with an ice agent not guilty,
foot long and fancy free.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
All right, All right, y'all, let's deal about last story.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I try my best to ignore dumb ass Meigg and Kelly.
The other day, she made a comment after the run
Ma Donnie's speech, the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Mask is off.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Well, first of all, her hateful mask has been off
for a very long time. We knew her ass was
trifling at Fox News, and then when she went to NBC,
we knew she was full of shit there. Uh, that's
why she lost her job there. Now she walked through
sixty nine million. I don't know what the hell Andy
Lack was thinking, thinking her ass was gonna puel to

(01:32:01):
anybody at NBC and gave her all that damn money.
They don't never give black folks those sixty nine million.
Work for a year and a half, I mean, work
for a year and a half, then you walk away
with sixty nine million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
So now she's doing her own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
She run around, got her own network, she own serious
New York Post promotes any dumb ass thing this fool says,
and so she always is weighing in on black shit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
And then does anybody who should have a biggest signed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
And said shut the fuck up when it comes to
black stuff, it should be Megan Kelly. Okay, so before
I even get in her comments, let me rebind y'all.
This is what the dumb ass Megan Kelly had to
say about Santa Claus when she was on Fox News.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Claus should not be a white man anymore.

Speaker 26 (01:32:48):
And when I saw this headline, I kind of laughed
and I said, oh, this is so ridiculous. Yet another
person claiming it's racist to have a white Sanna. You know,
and by the way, for all your kids watching at home,
Sanna just is white. But this person is just arguing
that that maybe we should we should also have a
black Santa.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
But you know, Santa is what he is. And just
so you know, we're just debating this, okay, Uh, Sam
is fictional. So she was stupid as hell there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
So you could have a black Santa, a brown Santa,
a white Sana. But again that's when you dumb ass.
She really was sitting here acting like they were having
a factual debate over a fictional ass character. But anyway,
so then when she took I ask it to NBC
Today's Show, then of course she had to run her
damn mouth when the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Of Halloween in blackface came up. Here's what this fool said.
Freedom of expression.

Speaker 27 (01:33:40):
This is not in our country. But freedom of expression
is a beautiful thing. So is freedom of speech. It's
part of why I like living in the United States
of America. And you gotta dressed like an idiot, act
like an idiot, and actually dress and be racist, then
somebody should say something to somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
But you should still be able to dress like a moron.

Speaker 28 (01:33:53):
But because truly, you do get in trouble if you
are a white person who puts on black yeah, folloween,
or a black person who puts on white face for Halloween,
like okay, I was a kid. That was okay as
long as you were dressing up.

Speaker 26 (01:34:05):
It's like a character.

Speaker 27 (01:34:07):
If somebody feels like something is offensive to them, then
you should say it, and that's fair game.

Speaker 28 (01:34:12):
If you're gonna dress up like yeah, you gotta be
able to take it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I hope Megan can learn her Listen, why don't you
stay away from holidays because your track record ain't good
talking about holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
So uh, now we got the latest stupid shit.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Now earlier this year, she hit the nerve to call uh,
to call Jamail Hill ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
I mean, when you're a flat ass, skinny ass.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Bony white woman, you really should not be talking about
the looks of other people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Okay, and that's just a fact. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
So here you have Michelle Obama sitting down with Robin Roberts.
It was some special little ABC and the former First
Lady said this about her hair. Okay, we don't have
the Michelle Obama comment. Okay, y'all, that's what's set up. Okay,
so hold on, let me let me because that sets
up the Megan Kelly deal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
So we should have had that. So all right, so
uh and you know, first of all, I didn't see
the special.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
I didn't even know anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
And it was just like, okay, fine, And but then
all of a sudden, I'm looking at some other comment uh,
and and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
They were they were talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Well, actually, Michelle Obama was talking about the idea of
straightening hair and things along those lines, and this this
actually was I think this was the comment right here,
so go.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
To my go to my IPEd.

Speaker 18 (01:35:37):
Here, as women of color, that the way our hair
naturally grows out of our head, it's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:35:45):
But if we struggle to make it look like the standard,
that means we are.

Speaker 18 (01:35:49):
Spending thousands of hours and lots of money straightening out
what is naturally curly hair?

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
Right, and that takes time out of your life, it
costs money.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Interview that she did that wasn't one with Robert Roberts.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
So white woman Megan Kelly, who ain't got curly hair,
who has no idea what any black woman has to
deal with when it comes to her hair.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Hus silly ass decided to weigh.

Speaker 12 (01:36:28):
Once again, we haven't lived up to their high standards,
and we're essentially being called racist. Here's Michelle Obama, who's
promoting a new book on her special fashion and sat
down with People magazine and said the following in Sought
twenty six.

Speaker 18 (01:36:47):
Here, as women of color, that the way our hair
naturally grows out of our head, it's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:36:54):
But if we struggle to make it look like the standard,
that means we are.

Speaker 18 (01:36:59):
Spending thousands of hours and lots of money straightening out
what is naturally curly hair, right, and that takes time
out of your life, it costs money.

Speaker 12 (01:37:14):
Okay, So what she's saying is she's bitter because society's standards,
in her view, don't allow black women to just walk
around with their natural hair.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
That is bullshit.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
Black women can walk around with whatever hair they want. Only,
in Michelle Obama's warped mind, do white people not like
them unless their hair looks like white hair.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
And here's the other thing.

Speaker 12 (01:37:42):
The nerve, the nerve of this woman to pretend that
Black women are the only women who have to spend
a bunch of time getting their natural hair to quote
conform to these alleged society standards, because virtually every woman
I know, every woman spends a shit ton of time
on her hair and wants it to look better than.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
God made it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:04):
It's not a black thing.

Speaker 12 (01:38:06):
It's a human thing, and it's especially a woman thing.
But she's always reducing everything to race.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
A lot of people who've watched this show and they
pray for me all the time, and they say, Roland, please,
do you have to cuss? And I really try my
best not to cuss, but in this case here, I
just gotta go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
And say, Meghan.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Kelly, please shut the fuck up. You literally don't know
shit about black people. You don't know shit about black
women and hair. In fact, you're so fucking stupid, Meghan,
you can't even follow the news antwanna go to my iPad.

(01:38:54):
There's something Meghan called the Crown At. It was first
passed in the state of California, which forbid hair discrimination.
In America, Congresswoman Bonnie Coleman has been trying to get
it passed on a federal level.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
It passed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
The House of Republicans in the Senate actually blocked it.
So yeah, numerous states have actually passed the Crown Act.
Even Republican as conservative as Texas passed the Lockile the
Crown Act. We have examples of black men and black
women who have been discriminated against because of their hair.

(01:39:30):
If your dumb ass, Megan Kelly could do any fucking research,
you would realize it's an issue. Take this. Last year,
the American Screening had to pay fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Thousand dollars to settle.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
An EEOC race discrimination lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Why was that the case.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
It's because a black woman, Megan was fired from her
job because of her natural hair texture.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
What was what it says.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
According to the lawsuit Omegan, this is from EEOC dot gov.
The Trump people actually left the story up and it says.
According to the lawsuit, a black and employee interviewed and
was selected for a sales position with American Screening while
wearing a wig with long, straight hair. After she stopped
wearing the wig and started wearing her hair in its

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naturally curly texture, the company's owner instructed a human resource
manager to counsel the employee about her hair and quote
looking more professional, complaining that the worker quote came in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
With beautiful hair unquote.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
The employee's hair, considered Type four A on the Andre
Walker hair typing system, is commonly associated with people who,
like the employee, are black. The owner then directed the
employee to begin wearing her wig with straight hair again.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
When the employee.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Continued to wear her natural hair, the company fired her.
The company later to hired a white worker in her place.
According to the eeoc's lawsuits, Okay, Meghan, your dumbass is
a lawyer, here's the next graft, Megan. Such a lleged
conduct violates Title seven an come on Title seven of

(01:41:16):
the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, which prohibits
firing employees are subjecting them to different terms and conditions
of employment because of their rings. The EEOC files suit
after first attempting to reach a pre litigation settlement through
its administrative conciliation process.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
The suit had been pending in.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
The US District Court for the Western District, Louisiana and
was resolved by consent decree, which was entered by the
court on April fourth, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Now, Meghan, if you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
And likely your lily white staff could learn to do
some research, what you would discover that there are a
litany of cases, a litany of suits, a litany of settlements,
and hair discrimination.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
In fact, several years ago out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Of Virginia, a black woman with major credentials was being
hired by in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Well, guess what the white.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Man on the committee said, Hm, I don't particularly like
those things in her hair.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
I don't like those corn rolls, those braids, And so
they did not give her the job. So guess what
she sued and she won, including back pay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
So that's a long history megan in America in numerous
places where the issue of hair is there. So when
Michelle Obama is talking about hair. You got white people,
white bosses, white folks in media who we don't like
those curls, we don't like those bangs. Ooh, we don't

(01:42:48):
like braids. Ooh, we don't like natural hair. This is
very common. We've had folks in media who had to
deal with that, women who've been anchors, women who've been meteorologists,
who've actually sued because of this. We've dealt with this
at the National Association of Black Journalists. And so, Meghan,
if your lily white ass will go talk to some

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black people as serious or some other places you might
know this. Go talk to some black folks in the
makeup room. Go talk to here from some black actresses
who talk about the difficulties being on set with people
who know how to do black makeup and do black hair. See,
when you are a white woman, Meghan Kelly, like yourself,
you are oblivious to the realities of women of color

(01:43:32):
in this country and all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
The stuff they have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
You know why, because you're a blond haired white woman
who gets to do things her way, and so you
don't understand what it means to be a black woman
or a Latina or an Asian woman when in America,
this country is established based upon white as the standard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
So remember when I said folks in media what they
have to deal with? Well, guess what.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Britney Noble, who joined Black Study Network, she knows this
very well. She was a top acre in Mississippi and
dealt with the white news director dealing with her hair
and went through a multi year battle because of it. Brittany,
tell folk, what the hell you had to deal with
with natural hair and a white boss.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
It wasn't just in Mississippi, Roland. It's everywhere that I've
worked at in TV news locally, even this time last year.
I was told that I had to take down my
locks by January of twenty twenty five. And then when
I was back in twenty eighteen, when I was working
in Mississippi, my boss told me that I needed to
look like a beauty queen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I did try to file a lawsuit. I did go
to the EEO scene.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Almost said no, Reese's gotta go, but I got to
I want Reesa to oh, I want you to finish
the story. Reese is about to go, but I got
to get recent way in on this and then you
gonna finish Vision store recy Go.

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
Well, first of all, I'm not explaining racism to her,
because that's her currency.

Speaker 8 (01:44:59):
She traffick and racism.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
She knows good motherfucking will that you cannot be a
black woman. You cannot be the first lady of the
United States.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
What an asfro like Angela Davis. So she's gas lighting.

Speaker 7 (01:45:10):
But bitch, if you know, all your white girlfriends have
to spend thousands of dollars on getting their hair done,
And what the fuck is the problem with Michelle Obama saying?

Speaker 8 (01:45:17):
And she got to spend money to get her here. Look,
I gotta swell money to give my hair up. Chill,
it calls money. It look this good.

Speaker 7 (01:45:22):
Okay, right now, this might be Brazilian, all baby Malaysian,
but I might have a little flip over curly starwhead whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:45:30):
Black one, we could do whatever the help we want
to do. And that's what you're really mad about.

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
What you're really mad about is that you ain't got
the sauce. You ain't got the seasoning of Michelle Obama.
You can't sell a book about your thigh high boots,
about your Gucci.

Speaker 8 (01:45:41):
Nothing about your hair, about your makeup, because you ain't
problem like that. That's why you got to sit up
on the fucking internet.

Speaker 7 (01:45:47):
Talking shit about the real bad ass forever first Lady
Michelle Obama.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
So stay mad ho All right, that's th Reca's perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Recie, I appreciate it. You gotta go, so go right
ahead and finish Brittany.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
I mean, it's just hard to hear Megan's say the
things that she did, because it's truly truly hard to
be a TV news anchor and wear your hair the
way that you want to wear your hair.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
You were angry Mississippi Win of how longo it was?

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
I left back in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Okay, so this is between twenty five and a lot
has changed over the last several years, and so you had.
What I mean by that is there's an increasing Thembal
sisters who are wearing their hair natural.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
They talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I forgot who's the such an ABC went she disapeled, Wins,
BS and Wins. But the Crowd Act also has played
a role in that, because now you have legislation that
has been enacted and again they're still ever trying to
get it happen on the federal level. But this notion
of straightening your hair and having to wear a certain way,
this white standard, that is the reality, not just in television,

(01:46:56):
but for black women in numerous industries.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
And again the lawsuits prove it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Yeah, absolutely, my lawsuit was thrown out. They could not
connect race to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Hair and we know that, which is utterly ridiculous. Which
is ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (01:47:10):
Noah, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
So I have hair trauma every single day as a
woman with natural hair with locks. I am told things like, oh,
your hair is so beautiful for locks, you know, I
hear that all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
And what they really are saying is that we.

Speaker 9 (01:47:29):
Don't consider locks to be beautiful or that they can
be sexy and glamorous, and thank you so much for
showing us that they can be. So it is always
about the person that's hurling the insult. It's always about them, right,
And so Megan Kelly clearly has a problem with black women,
and she loves to do this thing. She loves to

(01:47:49):
dismiss what we say all the time by saying, oh,
it's always race with you people and actuality. She's doing
the things she's proving Michelle Obama's point, which is absolutely hilarious. Right,
But we know we know about the long history with black.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Women in hair. One of the first, my first black traumatic.

Speaker 9 (01:48:11):
Hair thing happened when I did a commercial when I
was like sixteen seventeen years old, when the white French
director wanted this white woman to just use a blow
dryer for my curls and you know, and I was like, no, no, no,
I need a hot homb like no, no, no, no, no, no,
y'all can't just do that to my hair. And you
hired me with curly hair, and that scar has stayed

(01:48:31):
with me as a grown woman in my forties. Like
these hair traumas that happened to black women every single day.
That's just part of these microaggressions that we just have
to like internalize and keep it moving.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
And so that's Roland.

Speaker 9 (01:48:45):
That's why I texted you if you was gonna cue
of Solange, don't touch my hair, because guess what, No,
don't touch my hair, don't think about my hair, and
don't talk about my hair.

Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
We are not the same period.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
Great, I'm just listening in and always an appreciation of
the hair of African people. And of course, as Malcolm
X said, the most disrespected woman in the society person
in the society is a black woman. You know, I've
stood at this point fourteen times in the Chiro Museum
and looked at a case of human hair wigs made

(01:49:18):
by the ancient Egyptians with every kind of braid and
curl that we see today. I'm talking about with some
of them going back five thousand years, the microbraids, the
dookie braids, everything. So anybody want to argue whether the
Egyptians are black, come on with me. I take you
to the Cairo Museum. You'll see who they are. But
you know, listen to this and Michelle Obama's new book,
The Look is Magnificent. It's a photo book, it's a

(01:49:40):
coffee table book, but it's really a journey. And she
talks about those two terms that they were in the
White House and how she had to literally craft herself
her hair, her look, her style, her fashion to make
sure that she was able to navigate those straits. And
sometimes it meant even had she had her hair braided,
they put a wig on. Why because I know y'all

(01:50:02):
can't handle that when her arms were out. Although nobody
complains about Rick Flair when she has waited, Margie Taylor
Green when she has her arms out. Oh no, But
when Michelle Obama has her arms out all of a sudden,
there's this kind of suppressed desire that comes out as
contempt on behalf, paricularly of white men who are really
desiring black women if we really look too close at it.

(01:50:22):
But all that on one side, I'm just listening to
here my sister Ajia Oisenwaugh, one of the architects of
the Crown Act. Of course, this fight continues. There's a
Crown Act that passed in Texas, wasn't it? And after
one after that, bar Yeap covered that. So I'll live
with this as it relates to Megan. I think the
problem that she has here in the black star networking
in the black community generally, is that no one cares

(01:50:44):
about the Spriggs vomiting out of your unmoisturized melan deficient
scout afghan hound.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Well, now, since again, since Megan sends you call yourself
an attorney, why don't you go look up the case
EEOC versus Catastrophe Management Management Solutions. This is the case
out of Alabama again alleging hair discrimination. And that's the
thing that again, folk like you don't understand, see Megan

(01:51:16):
Kelly here's the whole deal. You are so shameful and
despicable that what you want to do is you want
to attack Michelle Obama at any turn. You want to
single her out and trash her. But your ignorance is
showing in this case because you don't even understand that
what she was talking about, the time and energy and

(01:51:37):
money that black women have to spend on their hair
is often a result not because of looks, not because
of It takes time engin money to get your hair straight.
In many cases, black women are having to do that
in response to white standards, white standards in the world. Megan,

(01:52:02):
So again you are showing how ignorant you are about
the law, about race and about gender. And so when
you come out and make some dumb ass comments, you
literally make my job easy because I didn't mean even
have to work hard to counter.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Your sheer stupidity.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
And so you consider your serious show that, and your
show and you own and you got your right wing
company and you're launching this right wing streaming channel and
you're doing all of those things. But Megan understands every
time your ignorant ass says some stupid shit like this, here,
we're gonna use this show that I own that also

(01:52:44):
stream to counter your stupidity. So when people are googling
and they come across you and your whiny ass complaining
about Michelle Obama and hair, they're gonna also come across
this video and they're gonna actually see the facts, because
see what I laid out, we're simply actual facts. And so, Megan,

(01:53:04):
I'll help you. Go to my IPEd antoine, Megan, if
you simply go to right here, the crownat dot com,
then you will actually see the legislation and how oh Dove,
National Urban League of the Color of Change, Western Center
on Lawn Poverty, how they are working to combat this.

(01:53:25):
Then you'll see right here the twenty twenty three Crown
Workplace Research Study.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Oh why don't you do this?

Speaker 20 (01:53:31):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Go to Google and just very simply, Megan, type in
black woman and EEOC and hair lawsuit, and you'll see
the numerous cases what these things exist as if you
actually care. And so I don't care for your show.
I don't care for your perspective because you're not actually
trying to have real debate and dialogue. What you want

(01:53:54):
to do is show your hate. You want to sit
here and yell at Taylor Swift and you want to
trash Jamel Hill, and you want to trash Michelle Obama
with all that back and forth, and I really do
not have time for a petulant, childish, raging, screaming, yelling,
white woman of privilege and over nonsense. But I will

(01:54:14):
say this, Meghan, when you decide to open your mouth
and you want to speak about black women and hair
or black people issues like this, here, trust me, I
will be here to smack your ass every single.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Time with truth and facts.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
So I'm gonna close on this here because when we
did our Crown Act special, I reached out to mcgirl
India Iri, and of course she has a famous song
that deals with the issue of hair. And when we
did that Crown Act specially for the first year, she
did this special song just for me. So, Meghan, this
is for your ignorant simple strand bland strand blonde hair.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Check this out.

Speaker 10 (01:55:00):
I am in the ure.

Speaker 8 (01:55:02):
This is Joe Cross and this is my jam.

Speaker 29 (01:55:09):
Little girl with the pressing curl ah and I got
a Jerry curl thirteen and I got a relax.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
I was the source of so much laughter.

Speaker 29 (01:55:19):
Fifteen went all bro God eighteen and I went on
natural February two thousand and two. I went on and
did what I had to do because it was time
to change my life, to become the woman that I am.
Inside ninety seventh ral locks Ocle, I lived in the
mirror for the first time I saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Hey, I am not my hair. I am not to seein.

Speaker 29 (01:55:46):
I am naorx like patial. I am not my hair,
I am not to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I am so that lives with it.

Speaker 29 (01:56:00):
And good head means curls and waves. Bad head means
you look like a slave.

Speaker 24 (01:56:15):
At the turn of the century, it's talking of us
to redefine who we be. You can shave it off
like South African beery.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
No, I don't look like b money.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
You get mac a straight like over with me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
If it's not on your.

Speaker 8 (01:56:28):
Head, it was underneath.

Speaker 29 (01:56:30):
And say, hey, I am not my hair.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
I am not the skin.

Speaker 29 (01:56:37):
I am not yours bac taste.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
No, I am not my hair, I am not the skin.
I am soul that lives with it. This is the
way I wear my hair. Make me a better purse.

Speaker 29 (01:56:56):
And this is the way I wear my hair, make
me a better friend of That's the way I wrap
my head, they time in my integrity, expressing.

Speaker 8 (01:57:09):
My great deity.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
So consider this moment.

Speaker 8 (01:57:15):
This song is actually not about hair. It's about self.

Speaker 24 (01:57:18):
Definition and how we define each other. So there's a
difference in identifying with something and identifying as sliming and
so in this song, I'm saying that I identify with
my external characteristics, with my blackness, with whitemu.

Speaker 10 (01:57:38):
Dream, but I identify as my soul.

Speaker 24 (01:57:44):
And the truth is racism and discrimination is actually born
out of identifying people as.

Speaker 8 (01:57:53):
Their external characteristics.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
And so he needed legislation to say.

Speaker 24 (01:57:59):
That that's a people their hair, however they want to
do at work. Said that we needn't glad that we haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
So this is our song.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
I am not my hair, I am not scared.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Expectat, I am not my.

Speaker 15 (01:58:26):
I am not skinned.

Speaker 29 (01:58:29):
Soul that lives with him.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
That's while black on media matters, and that's why this
show matters. Let me think Recie Nola great for being
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Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Okay, we ain't buying our heads.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
We ain't backing down from nobody, and we're gonna check
any of these fools who want to come at any
of our people. And so when you support this show,
you're supporting this show. You're supporting this network, reporting, our
staff the ability to be able to cover these stories.
And so we've got some new shows coming down the pipeline.
And that's why black owned immedia matters. And guess what,

(01:59:15):
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Megan Kelly did when TV one counseled my show. I
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