Trump Skips Shutdown Talks, MD Job Losses, Memphis Band Kazoo Protest, Black Family Legacy

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
To last Tuesday, September twenty third, twenty twenty five, coming
up of rollerd Mark Don Culture spreading live of the
Black Start Network. Trump chickens out and bails on a
meeting with Democratic congressional leaders to avoid a governments shutdown,
calling their demands.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Unserious and ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Maryland loses more federal jobs due to Donald Trump's federal
cuts and lost twenty five hundred jobs the second straight month.
The statements left the nation in federal job losses. Folks,
you're gonna love this story. A Memphis high school band
gets banned from performing at a football game. Yep, a
black high school banned by a white school, So the
fans showed up with kazoos. Plus two authors of the

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Studio Jed I First will spotlight the groundbreaking new book
chronicling the Black Family that shaped American architecture. Arm Kissing Daniel,
author of The Black Family Who Built America, would join us.
Plus uh businessman doctor Lavell mcmora's new book, The Power
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(01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
Let's go.

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Speaker 4 (01:34):
Just bookcase.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
He's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Up.

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Speaker 7 (01:55):
Montee.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Democrats are blash of the twice in peach criminal convicted
fellow in chieved Donald the Cohn Trump for abruptly canceling
this week's White House meeting with Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer
and ha Km Jeffries. The talks were supposed to hammer
out a deal to revent a government shut down, but
Trump dismissed democrats pushed for boy health care funding as
unseious and ridiculous and not worth the time. Jeffries fired back,
calling Trump's statement unhinged and accusing him of shirking his

(02:30):
responsibilities at a critical moment.

Speaker 8 (02:33):
The statement that Donald Trump issued today was unhinged, and
it related to issues that have nothing to do with
the spending bill that is before the Congress and the
need to try to avoid a government shutdown.

Speaker 9 (02:50):
Nothing to do.

Speaker 8 (02:53):
With transgender issues or any of the other wild things
from the stand point of what actually is under discussion
in the context of this meeting, Leader Schumann, I sent
a letter that we publicly released on Saturday that made

(03:15):
clear what the stakes are for the American people, and
it related to the Republican healthcare crisis, the attack on Medicaid,
the attack on Medicare, the attack on the affordable care rank,
the attack on our hospitals, nursing homes, and community based
health clinics, and the attack on medical research.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Now the dayline up, boy, the shut down is September thirtieth,
and so we see all of this back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And forth, back and forth.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
All right, let's get into it with our pound at
the DODTR Mustafia Santiago a Leaf, former Senior Advisor for
Environmental just as the EPA.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
He joins us.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Also, we of course have Michael Brown, of course, former
chair DNC Financial Committee, as well as DC counselmen, and
and we got Joe Ridgarsons to rush attorney out of
LA My goodness, real simple, if I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
If I'm Schumer and Jeffries.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
All right, So Joe Punkes don't want to meet y'all
passed this bill. We at lifting a damn finger, that's
what you do.

Speaker 10 (04:17):
That's absolutely what they should do. Frankly, they should have
done that in March as well. We know what Senator
Schumer what route he chose to take. But absolutely, I mean,
you have no choice. They controlled. They being Republicans, control
the House, the Senate, sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, which is
obviously the White House.

Speaker 11 (04:36):
So this is their shut down. If it happens, it's
this is their crisis.

Speaker 10 (04:41):
They refuse to help people in need relative to healthcare,
and frankly, from my standpoint, we being Democrats, should have
added a to farmers, not just black farmers, but all
farmers that are in dire straits because of these tariffs.
So that should have been all should have been. Obviously
the healthcare, say millions of people to keep their health care,

(05:02):
but also some aid for farmers.

Speaker 11 (05:05):
But even I know that's not in there now.

Speaker 10 (05:07):
But absolutely, if they don't need give demands of Democrats,
whatever happens happens.

Speaker 11 (05:12):
And it'll be their fault.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Now, damn that mustafa.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I ain't giving a farmer shit, Okay, you know why
because Trump screwed them four years ago and twenty five
billion dollars in taxpayer funding went to them. Same damn farmers.
And you know what them farmers did. They voted for Trump.
So I'm gonna let they ask enjoy all his pain,
and I'm gonna see here and say, no, farmers ain't

(05:37):
getting no bill out. If regular ordinary folk don't get
a bail out.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Damn that.

Speaker 7 (05:43):
That's a witness right there.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
That's that should actually be on the T shirt because
folks really need to take that to heart. You know,
Trump can't afford a government shut down. You know, if
we're want to talk about it from an economic standpoint,
you know, we have an economy that he pushed and
pushed to get that interest rate cut because they understood
the cliff that was coming and how the economy was

(06:05):
trying to get traction.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
So I remember the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen shutdown.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
We lost about eleven billion dollars our country did when
that shutdown.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Happens.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
When he does these different types of things, thinking that
he's actually hurting you know, federal workers and others, he's
actually just inflicting more damage onto the economy.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
So he needs to be really mindful of about how
he moves.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
The other thing that goes on when you have these
government shutdowns is that it impacts tourism.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
Now, tourism is already down.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Significantly in our country, and he is going to end
up shutting down national parks and.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
A number of other places that people visit.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
He's also going to impact contractors because when you impact
federal workers, who are also impacting what happens in the
federal contracting space, both the general contractors and the subcontractors.
So what he is really doing is creating an additional
tax on the American people. Folks should be speaking out
and they should be making sure that they that he

(07:02):
understands what's going on.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
So the Democrats actually have a.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Card to play here by allowing them to have to
carry this load themselves. So we'll see how it all
plays out.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Joe, I ain't lifting a finger.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
My deal is, says, y'all want to sit here and
screw us and don't do Hey doll, my name Ben
ain't in it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
It's all on y'all.

Speaker 12 (07:27):
Yeah, and they've got three branches, so let them do it.
To the point that's been made. Hell, they probably should
have did this six months ago. Tell you the truth.

Speaker 9 (07:36):
Finally, Democrats stand up, fight for something, make them do it.

Speaker 12 (07:40):
If they don't want to deal, then then let them
make magic and do it themselves. And I think that
even on a Democrats worthday, I would like to think
that they don't get to blame for this thing. If
it just has to shut down, you know, somebody's got
to stand up for those of the least of us.
There's some things that have gotten taken in these bills,
and so much so there have been litigation.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
Excuse me, there have been legislation that's been passed, and the.

Speaker 12 (08:05):
Things that were allotted underpass bills have been pulled, okay,
And so basically, really I think that the Democrats are
in the driver's seat in that they can say, listen,
you guys have all chambers of Congress. You guys, do
what you need to do to get this thing passed.
If you're not dealing with us at all, then you

(08:25):
deal with it. And they be the ones that are
seeing as taking a stand for those that are the
least of us and then just go from there. But
it's frankly about time that they got an opportunity to
really stand ten toes down, so it looks like they're
really standing for something, really like literally looks like they're
standing for those that are the least of us. And

(08:46):
if the government needs to shut down in the meantime,
I don't want to minimize that because we all know
that that's a big and drastic thing. But if this
is where we are, then this is where we are.
The worst thing that they could do is act like
we're not at this place.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
We are at the.

Speaker 12 (09:00):
Place, then you let them do it, let them take
ownership of it, and let them take blame for it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, I just I just don't believe in playing nice.
I just don't believe in playing nice. And right now, Michael,
the problem is these Dems ain't got no guts, they
ain't got no gusto, they ain't got no fight people,
and people think that Schumer and Jeffries are week is
hell when they talk about when they talk about or

(09:28):
not just not with approval ratings and they're very low
among the national dims. These really are the two they
talking about.

Speaker 10 (09:37):
You're absolutely correct, and we've been every time we're on
the show, we talk about this, and well, we'll see
what happens when the vote comes in the next couple
of days, and if folks stand up, then maybe we'll
have different opinion next time we're on that they stood up. Obviously,
the concern that some have raised is that shutdowns are

(09:58):
easy to execute, but it's they're very difficult to climb
out of because they're going to have to have the
same kind of discussion or negotiation to get out of
the shutdown. So that's the challenge anytime there's shut I'm
obviously I'm pleased this will be a Republican shutdown or
the Trump shut down, but nonetheless people will be hurt

(10:20):
during a shutdown and then having to sit down again
with mister Orange and figure out how to get a
deal with him, because if he tells Mike Speaker Johnson
not to meet, if he tells Senator Thorne not to
meet and not to negotiate, they're going to be in
this quandary for quite some time. If cooler heads prevailed,
they would help the folks they are about to lose

(10:41):
their healthcare. They could come to a deal, do maybe
a seven week extension and starting to just come back.
Keep in mind, these crs are continuing to happen because
folks cannot sit down, negotiate and compromise.

Speaker 11 (10:56):
So these continuing resolutions.

Speaker 10 (10:58):
Are going to continue to have until folks can until
the Republicans frankly learn that Washington is built and designed
to work together and compromise.

Speaker 11 (11:09):
President tells him not to work and compromise.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
This is where we are.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, I just when you're dealing with evil people mustafa
at some point you've got to have some fight in
you to say, all right, you don't want to meet, Fine,
we not gonna meet. Tell your caucus no, nobody moves,
nobody does nothing, nothing.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, I mean Trumps flexen right, he figures that he
can continue to do what he's always done, which is
bully folks. I mean, he loses nothing by sitting down
and having a conversation with those two members about healthcare.
He can still continue to do whatever he wants to do.
But it just shows to show, you know, that he
has no real political acumen. He has no idea about

(12:01):
how to actually you know, move the needle on very
serious issues that are happening. So folks should just knuckle up,
you know, if he doesn't want to do it, let
him go ahead and carry the weight. The American folks
will remember who is responsible for the shutdown, but they're
also going to remember about these cumulative impacts of that's.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Going on inside their lives.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
So whether it is, you know, the price of food,
or is healthcare or you know, the environmental issues that
are going on, all these things.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
Land on Trump's doorstep, and he continues to pile them up.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
So let him carry the weight for this as well,
because he has no idea how to actually help the
American people, and that is based upon the actions that
he has done, the you know, pieces of legislation that
have been a little benefit to the most vulnerable people
and even middle class folks across our country.

Speaker 12 (12:50):
Joe, Yeah, I mean, odetta, let them do it. Democrats
need to work on their messaging anyway. A lot of
times we're on the right side of an issue, but
the messaging is so poor. We're not going to get
around the corner and get over the hump and across
the finish line if our messaging isn't what it needs
to be. Tighten up this messaging so people understand what's

(13:13):
going on and people see it the way that it
needs to be seen, and it's the way that aligns
to truth. It shouldn't be so hard to make the
messaging what it needs to be. Work on the messaging,
sit tight and let what come comes.

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Of Folks.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Maryland has lost another twenty five hundred federal jobs, the
second consecutive months they've led the nation in federal job losses.
The state's economy is closely linked to the federal workforce, obviously,
when they say the DMV is DC, Maryland and Virginia.
According to the Maryland Labor Department, approximately tutor of sixty
nine thousand residents were employed by the federal government in

(15:33):
twenty twenty three, with more than one hundred and fifty
eight thousand federal jobs located within the state that year.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Come on, it's pullographic.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The August numbers bring total federal job losses in Maryland
to fifteen thousand, one hundred since January. When Trump Donald
Trump took office and began his push to strength the
federal workforce. Still since the start of the more Miller,
since the start of this admitted, since the of course,
the administration of Governor Wes Moore, Maryland has added ninety
six thousand jobs overall, a rate of growth faster than

(16:06):
nation as a whole. According to Maryland dot gov, the
fire sectors with the largest estimated job losses in August
we're administrative and support and waste management and remediation services,
other services, government, healthcare, social assistance, manufacturing.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Listen, we saw.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Mustaff for we saw Governor Wes Moore. I mean, he
saw this coming and what they were doing, being very
aggressive and finding opportunities for those folks in the state
of Maryland. But listen, Trump doesn't give a damn. It's
all about whatever he's doing. So he doesn't care what
happened in Maryland with a Democratic governor. Hell, he don't
give out Virginia with a Republican governor.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean all his actions actually lead to that.
I mean, you know, it's an interesting dynamic. You know,
I take a look at what's going on across the country.
So there are federal workers and lots of different spaces
and places. Seems like wherever we have the largest black
populations that there's intentionality also and you know, creating chaos

(17:09):
and limiting you know, economic opportunities. When you look at Maryland,
we have some of the wealthiest black counties in our nation.
So they also understand, I'm not saying that that's the
only driver, but they also understand that there is an
opportunity here to continue to shrink.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
The wealth and power inside of the Black community. So
one we should call that forward.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
The other part of it is, once again, they're actually
shooting themselves in the foot, you know, because of the
wealth that exists inside places like Maryland and DC in
Northern Virginia and a couple of other locations, you know,
they play a significant role also in the GDP of
our country.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
So you know, when you have these policies.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
That often are not well thought out or they don't
take into consideration the damage that you're not only going
to do to the Black community, but how that's going
to also reverberate across our country, then you know it's
not only short sided, but it is par for the
course for this administration to continue to make these types
of mistakes.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
But as we get ready for it, Joe, we're going
to see more job loss. If this economy has been
tanking under Donald Trump and he thinks that the Fed
lowering interest rates is going to be the answer. Now,
that ain't going to be it, because this idiot and
its terrors are destroying everything. And on top of that,
what they do to the federal workforce, it's crazy.

Speaker 12 (18:33):
Yeah, And as we know, the federal workforce has been
the basis of the achieved middle class from many black people,
including my own family. My mom worked for the federal
government for forty years Department of Veterans Affairs.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
I have cousins actually in Maryland right now that work
for the government as well.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
And so between that, listen, you know, a lowered interest
rate is not going to help me buy a house
or get a car if I don't have a job. Additionally,
even companies that would invest in the economy, they're not
going to invest in the economy with these tariffs taking
things all over the place. They'd rather save that money
because they don't need to make a huge investment of time, place, resource.

(19:09):
And then have Trump flip because he's padded somebody. And
so between those two problems. The economy potentially contracts, and
then as an economy contracts, now, even if you get
a good president a few years from now, even if
you get someone else with a different volition and a
different will, the money will have dried up and disappeared,

(19:32):
or that will certainly be the argument.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
So yet that's not going to get any easier.

Speaker 12 (19:35):
And in addition to everything else, Maryland also has a bright,
incredible governor who could be president.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
He doesn't want to work with him.

Speaker 12 (19:45):
He doesn't want to work with Wesbore, he doesn't want
to work with anybody who's as the potential to upstage
him either. So you've got all of these things coming
through where he's not particularly concerned about the plight of
folks of.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Maryland's, the Virginia's places like that, they're in the DC.

Speaker 12 (20:00):
Jason had a lot of government jobs, and so this
is going to be a devastating impact and it's going
to be hard to reverse it, and I think it'll
get worse before it gets better.

Speaker 10 (20:09):
Michael, I mean Governor Moore certainly no secret that there
are many people that think he would be a great
candidate for the Democratic nomination, and as Mustafa said, these
folks are so calculating relative to who they want to hurt.
I know sometimes they overshoot and hurt their own voters,

(20:29):
but in this case, it certainly doesn't hurt them to
go after a potential candidate in their backyard, in their state,
so they can throw these statistics.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
Out later for how much job lofts there was now,
you know.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
Obviously, obviously Governor more will respond, it's not his fault.

Speaker 10 (20:46):
He added jobs and then they wanted to shrink the
government unjustly, and that impacted obviously Prince George's County, Baltimore County,
and other counties around the state of Maryland. But nonetheless,
these folks are cruel, don't care. All they care about
is culture, white supremacy and making sure they hurt black folks.

(21:09):
So it's politics and culture, because really all they care
about they don't care about policy.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
If they cared about policy, they would.

Speaker 10 (21:15):
Work with experts, work with the Congress, and try to
figure out the best way to move forward.

Speaker 11 (21:20):
That's not how they're operating.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
So I wouldn't put it past them if this wasn't
by design to go after the particular state of Maryland,
which is obviously some of the counties are bedroom counties
to the District of Columbia, as well as Northern Virginia,
which is also mostly Democratic.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
I know we say Virginia and people think red. Obviously,
we know Virginia is not a red state. It's more
of a purple state.

Speaker 10 (21:42):
But nonetheless that surrounding county in Arlington and Alexandria and Loudon,
you have a lot of diverse counties in Virginia, so
nonetheless they may put it by design.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Absolutely all right, quick breat we come back. Yeah, I
saw this on Instagram that just tripped me out. And
if y'all wanted a good laugh out of all these farmers,
remember Donald Trump said, oh yeah, our people, the blacks,
they gonna take these jobs. I've tried to tell y'all

(22:15):
what was gonna happen, but we till we show y'all
what these folks actually said.

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It's gonna trip y'all out.

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Hey, I'm Dottie Simpson Cole from Blackness and you watch
Land I'm filthy. Have y'all seen all of these videos
these farmers whining and complaining about losing their workers and
they're not being able to pick their crops. Well, we
tried to the people's going to happen. So somebody posted

(24:38):
this video on Instagram and it actually was with twenty twelve.
You know, the last time Donald Trump actually fool when
it came to these farmers. I got to kick out
of the answers because it sounds like exactly what the
farmers are complaining about today.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Check this out, y'all. They think the work work, it's
so hard and sure they just turned around and.

Speaker 19 (25:02):
Are you up and quit on the farm fields of Alabama?
The verdict is in the state's tough immigration law just
isn't working out.

Speaker 20 (25:09):
They're putting out babies back and worth from my area
experience that I've had.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
What they do.

Speaker 19 (25:16):
Keith Smith says most immigration workers left after the law
took effect. So this potato farmer hired Americans problem is,
he says, most chow up late, works slower, and are
ready to head home after lunch. Some even quit after
just one day out in the field.

Speaker 20 (25:32):
There's a Hispanic man at works force and I say,
you know, he's fifty two and he'll make any word
from seventy to one hundred dollars a day. I said,
if you can keep up with him and do a
good job, you can make that. But they just they're
not physically in shape to do it, and you know,
probably not mentally tough enough to do it.

Speaker 19 (25:50):
Some of them over on this tomato farm, the story
is not much different.

Speaker 10 (25:55):
The bending over and if you're not used to working
and nailing down and bending.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Over and constantly up and down all day long is
the growing part of it. It really is. I mean,
other than that, it's not any harder than anything else
you did.

Speaker 19 (26:10):
With a nine point nine unemployment rate Alabama is almost
one percent higher than the national average. Tomato farmers say
skilled workers can make anywhere from two to three hundred
dollars a day, but unskilled workers make much less. And
farmers say many Americans are not physically fit and simply
don't work fast enough.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
It's just going to take body conditioning, mental conditioning in
order to earn enough money to make it worth the
day's work.

Speaker 19 (26:38):
Politicians who support the law say over time, more unemployed
Americans will fill these jobs. They insisted still too early
to consider the law of failure. Nicole grethor the Associated
Press see jo all.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The reason I want to run that because I don't
know where these people are living.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean, this whole idea. I love the story. Do
the whole work. We gonna stand up being down. The
has been up.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Then one guy talking about, well, you know, if they
work hard, they can work make seventy two hundred dollars
a day.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Folks ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And all of these farmers are not realizing all of
these idiots who voted for Trump. Uh, these farmers all
over the place, they now are realizing all damn what
they hell were we thinking?

Speaker 12 (27:24):
Yeah, I mean that's real talk. I mean, there was
a time when we picked them fields out like that.
But listen, I'm a Redlands where we've got plenty of citrus,
citrus farms and and and you know, orange just to
pig or whatever else.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
And I ain't seen nary a black person out here
picking them. Let's keep it real. Some of us don't
do that. We are obese as in a society.

Speaker 12 (27:49):
As a society, a lot of people don't have the
mental fortitude and the physical fortitude to be out here
doing some of the things that immigrants do, whether you're
talking about being a farm worker, whether you're talking about construction,
you know, those types of things.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
Even Ronald Ray, who had a whole lot, like a
whole lot.

Speaker 12 (28:11):
Wrong with him, understood that, which is why he did
the biggest amnesty program in the United States history. The
problem is going to be, and it's starting to be,
Donald Trump is choking the people that support him that
are on these farms because they can't get the workers.

Speaker 9 (28:29):
Folks aren't going to show up. It's not going to happen.
So it's interesting.

Speaker 12 (28:33):
You know, we've been here before, We've sent people past
these hardcore laws. Oh, we just want you know, you
know nine immigrants. No, no, it's too late. You don't
already built the country on immigrants. If you really want
to be honest, then you have to tear down the
whole country and.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
Start all over.

Speaker 12 (28:46):
You know, you want to start in the middle of
the story. Immigrants built this country. Black folks built this country.
Black folk built the white house. Fill in the blank.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
You can go on and on and on.

Speaker 12 (28:55):
Now you want to start the middle of the story
and do something else, Okay, great, get somebody to these
fields are literally have your fruit and have your product
die on the vine. That's where we are. It's pretty poignant.
It's pretty symbolic of what's going on. Some things are
dying on the vine here, both literally and figuratively.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I mean, it is stunning to me. In a moment,
we're going to play something, Michael.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's actually it's coming out of England because now you
see all these white folks now complaining about Muslim immigrants,
and we're seeing left or right, and I'm just sitting
here trying to tell these folks what's wrong with y'all?
Y'all at like white folks are growing on trees, They're
not Their population is not increasing, So where do you

(29:45):
think you're going to get.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Folks in the future. I just it's laughable to.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Watch these people who have no understanding of really what's
happening in the world.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
Right And I think Mustapha, you and I spoke about
this a couple of weeks ago when we were on previously,
is that it'll be interesting.

Speaker 11 (30:05):
To see months from now.

Speaker 10 (30:08):
How much they love their president so much that self
preservation is secondary.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
If they lose their farm, well, I don't care. I
just need to give him a chance.

Speaker 10 (30:20):
Don't worry. He's gonna make it right. We'll see how
far that goes. When clearly, if you're talking about the
state of Alabama and if those statistics are correct, assuming
they are, you know, they're almost a double digit unemployment
and that means these folks who own these farms are
going to be in deep, deep trouble and it's going
to cost us more at the grocery store because obviously

(30:42):
we'll have to find these vegetables and fruits and potatoes
and tomatoes from other places, which means we may not
to import some of these products that we grow ourselves.
So he is just he's so he and his folks
and the Steven Millers of the world are so. As
you know because you've heard me say it several times.

(31:02):
Their number one priority is white supremacy. The number one
priority is making sure that people of color do not
continue to have their foothold in this country.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
That's and so if you can obviously.

Speaker 10 (31:15):
Get some folks out of the country by deporting them,
either legally or illegally, that takes a certain portion away.
Then if you can drive some of the richest African
American counties in the country and drive folks like that
crazy and bankrupt, then maybe you're getting another portion out.

(31:37):
If you start to change the rules relative to hiring,
then you can push another segment out.

Speaker 11 (31:42):
And that also, it doesn't just mean people of color,
it means women too.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
And that's where some of these natural ally bases need
to come together to stop this guy or stop his agenda,
which is why the midterm of elections next year is
so important.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean, here, we'll stop fel and we're seeing
this and I'm linking this because we need to understand
what's going on. We talked about white nationalists and white supremacy.
All these things are all together and in the moment
I'm going to show you what happened in England. And
then you've got Congressman Ship Roy who's acting a food

(32:21):
losing his mind, complaining about the immigrants of Muslims in England,
and so all these things are connected. What is happening
is white people worldwide are like, oh my god, we
are really truly becoming the minority. When you've had a
lot of this speakuse that Charlie Kirk memorial talking about

(32:42):
old Western civilization and how this is being brought back.
What they're really saying is whiteness is coming back.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Okay, well, if that's what they want to believe, but
that's not what the statistics tell us. We should be
very clear about this moment, not only the racism that
you see inside of America, which of course has been
here since the beginning, but they are also making sure
that they are stoking fears across Europe.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
So this is a very intentional set of actions. People
know what they are doing. It is well funded, and
they have an ultimate goal. But unfortunately that ultimate goal
will actually mean their own destruction. And what I mean
by that when you look at it from an economic lens.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Right, So we started off this story talking about you know,
how farmers are now being hurt. Well, I mean hate
and racism has a cost, right, so they often think
about the cost for folks of color, but it also
has a cost to these individuals who are supporting it
through their vote, because you know, you need there's a
conservative number out there that they're three or four million

(33:50):
farm workers who are out there, not farmers, but the
farm workers, the individuals who are actually out there in
the fields doing the work that incredibly difficult work, sometimes
in hundred degree temperatures, being.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Exposed to pesticide, all these other types of things.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
So there's an impact of course to those individuals, but
you can't get other people because Americans are not going
to stand in a field and I've been there, because
I work with farm workers.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
They're not going to allow pesticides.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
To drift across and they have to breathe those in
or they're not going to work in fields, you know,
for ten hours and get seven dollars an hour and
not have enough water to drink or enough food to eat.
All these different types of dynamics that go on.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
So when you see.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Folks stoking these fears, they're not thinking this through because
you don't have the individuals, not through birth or through
their interest and actually working for minimal amounts of wage
to do this incredibly difficult work.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
But they fool folks.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Wealthy people will fool every day working class folks into
hating individuals who.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
Are doing the work that no one else wants to do.
And that's the.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Dynamic that's currently going on, and that's why we have
to continue to put us spotlight on one how difficult
this work is.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
And how hate ends up coming back around. It's like
a cancer and it ends up eating up.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
The hosts who thought that they were going to utilize
it to actually, you know, cause pain or to erase
other individuals.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
That ends up erasing everyone, and that's what we have
here in this moment. So people need to wake up.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
You need to wake up not only with your vote
and make sure you're actually voting for somebody who cares
about you and others through humanity, but also it's not
going to end up devastating you financially because of the
hate that they put forward.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
So we'll see if people wake up. I'm still an optimist.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
I still hope so, but actions over the last couple
of years have left me wondering if my optimism is
not well placed.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I'm not only not waking up.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Look, I keep telling y'all what you're seeing here is
is whiteness left and right.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So check out this. This, This is the white woman
in Lynn who is losing.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Her mind because of Muslims being in the country, Christian.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Crown and those angels.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
Unfortunately, another.

Speaker 11 (36:44):
Take her away, take her away.

Speaker 21 (36:48):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, what a bummer. I ain't got no promise in
or get arrested. All these people sitting, these people on
social mad with no First Amendment, no first of all.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's in England. So she was accosting them.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
And this is a Christian nation. I don't want to
hear them about the Kuran.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But but with that, you're seeing the same reaction to
these folks here in the United States. His Texas Congressman
Chip Roy whining complaining about something on the floor of
the House of Congress.

Speaker 22 (37:56):
He's anybody paying attention to what's happening in London, They're
gonna say it here on the floor of the House
and get the scorn of people. When I say, you've
got a massive Muslim takeover of the United Kingdom going.

Speaker 9 (38:10):
On right before our eyes.

Speaker 22 (38:12):
He always say, Chipp, well, what is wrong with that? Well,
I've got some pretty strong concerns about Shria law and
whether that'll be forced upon the American people, in this case,
the people of the United Kingdom. I've got pretty strong
concerns about people who want to see Israel's destruction, who

(38:33):
were happy about October seventh, who were elected in the
United Kingdom. Some might say that we've seen that here
in the United States. What are we going to do
about that? We have fifty one and a half million
people who are foreign born in the United States. They
have about twenty to twenty five million kids. That puts

(38:53):
that well over twenty seven percent of our population. It's
the highest such number in the history of our country.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
It wasn't that great, is it.

Speaker 22 (39:03):
Are we teaching people about Western civilization? Are we teaching
people about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the rule
of law? Are we teaching them Western values? Are we
teaching them God exists? Are we teaching them the importance
of freedom? Or are we teaching an entire generation or
two or three to run around complaining about what's wrong

(39:26):
and why the entire world is against them? Because of
their skin color, their sex, their supposed to gender identity,
whatever the hell category we create to make people have
an excuse for not just stepping up and achieving the American.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Ah, Joe, he's so concerned about Sharia law, which is
not a thing here, but they have no problem enforcing
their white Christian nationalists views on other Americans.

Speaker 12 (40:02):
One freedom, but you're okay with your guys smashing the constitution,
of throwing it away, getting rid of do process, undermining
the Constitution at every turn, less freedom, let's say, more
government control when you used to be anti government.

Speaker 9 (40:20):
You know, it's crazy, all this talking out of both
sides of your mouth.

Speaker 12 (40:24):
And it's interesting that you're worried about Britain, worried about London, England.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
So I mean that didn't have anything to do with us,
not a thing. I'm still waiting on what the connection
is there.

Speaker 12 (40:37):
Meanwhile, back at Durand, you act like you're worried about
freedom going away when your guys taking freedom. But of
course you're fine with it as long as it contributes
to your narrative. You know, you talk about God, but
you only talk about it your way. You know, he's
from Texas, so he's probably really excited. Everybody's going to
start living right because they got the ten They got

(40:59):
the Ten Commandments on the door. But you know, if
they really understood what was what, they could put the
Twoe Commandments on the door from the New Testament and
and have it happen faster.

Speaker 9 (41:09):
But in the event, we can go on and on.

Speaker 12 (41:11):
But the fact of the matter is there's this irony
here because even if you disagree with Republicans back in
the day, and they when they talked about freedom, though
they were talking about you know, states rights, they were
talking about the government staying out of the way.

Speaker 9 (41:24):
The government is more involved. The government is more.

Speaker 12 (41:27):
All encompassing and will continue to become so under Donald Trump.
And on top of everything else, it's being used to
exact events, it's being used to force agendas, and it
is a steam roll that's okay with undermining the Constitution,
throwing as much stuff as possible up against the wall,
and even even in twenty to thirty percent of it

(41:47):
lands and not the rest, the impact will still be
devastating because it's so much easier to take a hammer
to something and to destroy it than it is to
build it back up. It's just hypocrisy all the way around.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I just it's just to watch this.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
And I'm telling you, I've been saying this repeatedly, Mustafa.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
People need to be prepared for this.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
This was the basis of my book White Fear of
the Browning of Americas, making wite folks lose their minds.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
This is a part of this. These people are.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Going to grow more fanatical as the numbers increase. If
their numbers decrease, it's going to get worse.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
I mean, unfortunately, that's probably true. And if folks were
better humans, if they.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Loved each other, you wouldn't have to worry about it, right,
if you hadn't done oppression. Because I think there's some
fear out there about the oppression that has been a
part of this country's history. And because of that, they
saw how they treated others who were black and brown
and Indigenous and Asian and Pacific Islander.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
We can go on and on and how you know
they were treated. So their fear is is.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
That once this country becomes a browner country, that those
types of things will you know, flip, and that they
will have to deal with it. But you know that
has never been for folks of color. How they got down,
and you know, they should be more focused on all
these other external stressors that are going on. You know,
you have China and other countries that you know, they

(43:17):
sit back and they watch these types of actions and
they say, yeah, go ahead and continue, go ahead and
continue to deconstruct, go ahead and continue to fall apart
and not do what's necessary to strengthen your country. That's
what they should be focused on, saying, how do we
make our folks who live in this country as strong
as possible?

Speaker 7 (43:33):
How do we make sure that they are well educated?
How do we make sure that they have the things
that they need.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
But that's not a part of the equation because they
don't look at it through an abundance lens. They look
at it through a lens of there's only so much
and we need to hoard it, which is a failing
proposition to begin with.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
But it is what it is. Their fear is driving
many of these sets of actions.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
They're trying to inflict that fear, and they're trying to
actually make that fear become just a part of a
narrative everywhere so they can get more people to believe
into it. But we've seen, whether it's in Germany with
Nazism or a number of other locations where you had
these authoritarian types of regimes, that that's how they thrived,
that's how they got traction, and then that's how they

(44:19):
became the individuals that we now look at through history
and say, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
It is unbelievable to me to watch these folks and
to watch what they what they're doing, Michael, and check
this out.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So Ryan Walters, he is the superintend of schools in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
He just put out this video and this ties directly
into the white Christian nationalism we had been talking about.

Speaker 23 (44:50):
I'm excited to announce today that every Okloma High school
will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have seen
the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to
be engaged in a meaningful work going on a turning Point.
They want their young people to be engaged in a
process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness,

(45:14):
a dialogue around American values. We're so excited to partner
with Turning Point USA with this initiative. For far too long,
we have seen radical leftists with the Teachers' union dominate
classrooms and put push Woken doctrination on our kids. They
fight parents' rights, they push parents out of the classroom,

(45:35):
and they lie to our kids about American history. What
we're going to continue to do is make sure that
our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue, and
have that open discussion. We will continue to do all
that we can to make sure Oklahoma students have the
best education possible.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
So, Michael, they're going to mandate a turning Point USA
chapter every high school I close those black high schools.
You have a legislature in Oklahoma who also put forth
a bill to require every state University of Oklahoma erect
a Charlie Kirk Memorial plaza.

Speaker 11 (46:20):
I imagine you'll see that possibly in other red states.

Speaker 10 (46:24):
Around the country, I in particular obviously ones that are
particularly dominated by Republican Republican elected officials. I certainly think
that's possible. We might as well get used to seeing
that come around. And you know, coupling that with what
we were discussing a second ago. I think it was
Mustafa that was talking from your question, Roland, and certainly,

(46:50):
at the risk of giving your book, White Fear a plug.
You know, it all started back on the plantation when
the families, the enslavers were concerned that the slaves would
band together and rise up against them because there were
more slaves than there were family members in the house.

(47:12):
But they had the weapons, obviously, they had the law
behind them. So when Reverend Nat Turner flipped the script
a little bit and did what he did with his movement,
that's the concern. Leap frogging, leap frogging one hundred and
whatever it is, sixty eight years from then to now.
The concern is back to the browning of America. Are

(47:35):
they gonna then do to us what we did to them?
And that's a legitimate fear. We don't see it that way.
A relative to retribution.

Speaker 11 (47:44):
I know some people do.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Uh, most here, yes, because the rally is we are
far more forgiving than they are. It's not Look at
the movie Manual, how many folks were sitting were forgiving
Dylan Roufe after what he did, gunning nine black people down.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
They're not forgiving. So that's what that was all about.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So again, what this fear is, they want to they
see what's going on, they see their numbers dwindling. They
see what's happening, and so what they want to do
is cement white Christian nationalism in every sector of our community.
That is why, that's the that's the attacks against DEI,

(48:25):
the attacks against Black lives matter, the attacks when it
comes to woke. But this is critical race theory. That's
where they are. You heard him say, oh, these indoctrination
teaching other history.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
No, y'all be in lying about the history all this time.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
Correct, And that's what's obviously why elections have consequences. I
know we've all heard this term many times, but they
absolutely do. Now in some of these red states where
they're ruby red, maybe.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
It will be a little more difficult.

Speaker 10 (48:58):
But in some of these other states, given any kind
of quarter to folks, or let's be reasonable and let's
let folks have what they need. But if they're going
to be preaching white supremacy and direct racist language and rhetoric,
then you have to stand up again. Yes, do they
have the First Amendment right to say what they want?

Speaker 9 (49:19):
Of course he do.

Speaker 11 (49:20):
Did mister Kirk have that right?

Speaker 10 (49:21):
Of course he did, just as people have the right
to disagree or bring up videos of things that mister
Kirk said that were absolutely flat out racist. Now, you know,
folks can debate it and get mad at folks and
bring those kind of things up, but it's true, and
so what do you do with that. Yes, did he
have a right to say it, Absolutely he did. Do

(49:44):
people have the right to challenge him, Absolutely they do.
Did he deserve to get murdered?

Speaker 11 (49:49):
No he did not. So all those things can be true.
But that's also where others.

Speaker 10 (49:55):
Have to step up and say, no, you're not going
to take books of about black history off of our shelves. No,
we're not going to take books off our shelves. It
may offend you. Then you know what, don't read it,
don't take it off the shelf. Other people may. So
those are some of those cultural things that they have
dated the Democratic Party in because we get caught off

(50:19):
on these other going down the rabbit holes on these
cultural fights and forgetting about the policy stuff that also matters.
I'm not saying don't fight the cultural things. You absolutely
have to, but that shouldn't be your only fight during
a campaign. You also have to talk about policy that
changes people's lives and improves it.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
But the reality is the cultural battles are their mustafa,
And at.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
The end of the day, you're gonna have to deal with.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
It, Yeah, you are, and you have to deal with
it through the civic process, which is incredibly important. You've
gotta vote, You've got to make sure that you're thinking
through who in your vote to. You've got to make
sure that resources are going to the places and spaces
that need them the most. All these different types of things,

(51:08):
And you know, when they have this conversation about American exceptionalism,
I'm like, what could be more exceptional than looking at
all the amazing things that.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
Indigenous and black folks have done inside this country. So
if you truly wanted to have a.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Conversation about the greatness of America, then it has to
start with the communities who had all these hurdles that
they had to deal with and still were able to
do amazing things. So love that's for me. That is
the narrative that's there. We've got to continue to bring
that forward. But we've also got to continue to be
very clear about the fights that have to happen and

(51:44):
what are the tools that you have to be able
to address not just these egregious actions, but how do
we really make sure that this country becomes a twenty
first century country. I had a conversation earlier today and said,
it really looks more like a nineteenth or twentieth century
country right now based upon how we're moving.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
So we're serious about the future. Then the work that
we're talking about right now is incredibly important, and that
means that we're going to have to sacrifice. That means
that we have to get focused. That means that we
have to build real community. And at the end of
the day, we've.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
Got to make sure that we're utilizing our vote in
a way that helps to make positive change.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
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Speaker 27 (56:15):
Hatred on the Streets a horrific scene white nationalists rally
that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Well, white people are moving their their minds.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
As a angry pro Trump mob storm to the US capital.
You show we're about to see the rise what I
call white minority resistance. You have seen white folks in this.

Speaker 28 (56:37):
Country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 23 (56:41):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 29 (56:48):
Every time that people of color had made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been But Carol Anderson at
every university calls white rage.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
As a backlash.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
This is the right of the proud boys and the
boogoloo boys America.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
It's all the problem.

Speaker 30 (57:05):
This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 28 (57:13):
The food, that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources,
they're taking out women.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
This is white Field, all right. My name is Brady Race.

Speaker 31 (57:36):
I'm from Houston, Texas. My name is Sharon Williams. I'm
from Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 26 (57:41):
Right now I'm rolling with Roland Martin unfiltered, uncut, uncloved,
and undamned believable.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
In folks, we're talking a lot of books on the show.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
We talk all the time about, of course, the history
of this country, who built this country, how we even
got here, and all too often the stories are not
being told properly. We were talking about all the time
about his story compared to actual history. And so my
next guest is the author of a book that really
is important that tells a story that many people are

(58:36):
not aware of. It is called The Black Family Who
Built America The Machistics Two Centuries of Daring Pioneers. The
book is by Sheryl McKissick Daniel along with Nick Childs.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Glad to have you in a studio. How you doing?

Speaker 31 (58:49):
I'm great?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
How are you all good? So first and.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Foremost so when we say the Black women who built America?
How so because it's a difference between as that History
Channel series The Men Who Built America and is about
all the Carnegie and Vanderbilt and Rockefeller and those folks
as well. But y'all talking about literally buildings building America.

Speaker 32 (59:13):
Yes, well, the story is about the mckiswick family, but
it also represents black people in general who took hand
in building this nation for many, many years. You know,
people walk into structures every single day where there's you know,
the stadium, the afric American Museum, whatever, and they never say,

(59:36):
well who built this? Well a lot of times you
know it could be a black person, kind of like
the hidden figures of construction. And so our book talks
about our family who's been building in this country. For
two hundred and thirty years. But there were also other
black people who were building well when we talk.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
About building for Royal Rogers.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
She is the wife of Jonathan Rodgers, founding See at
TV one, and she did a documentary on Paul Williams
and of course many of these Hollywood homes and also
other buildings as well, and it took a very long
time for that documentary to actually be told. And that's

(01:00:21):
the thing. And so you have stories like this that
are not well known. You see these other stories. You
see stories and movies and things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Along those lines.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
And there are other white architects that people can just
roll off the tongue.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
And because those.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Stories are often told, they're talked about, and they're considered
to be these great pioneers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
But in nearly all the cases they ain't black.

Speaker 31 (01:00:48):
Well some of them are.

Speaker 32 (01:00:51):
And now those stories are coming out, and that's why
this story about our family is so important.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Now you said it was like two and thirty years, Yes,
where to start?

Speaker 32 (01:01:00):
So it goes back to the first descendant of our family,
Moses mckisick, the first who came here as a slave
and was taught the trade of making bricks. His son
Moses mckisick the second was a brickmaker and a master carpenter,
and he incorporated US right after emancipation with the mckinzick
Contracting Company in Pulaski, Tennessee, which of course that's where

(01:01:25):
the klu Klux Klan started, which is kind of a
backdrop of what he was dealing with when he incorporated
our company back in the eighteen hundreds. Moses mcizick the second,
his son, was the first black licensed architect in America
with his brother, Calvin mckizick with licensed one seventeen and

(01:01:46):
won eighteen in the state of Tennessee. And they moved
our business to Nashville, Tennessee. And then my father took
over as the fourth generation of McKissick, and then my
mother stepped in with my became ill and then I
took the company over from her, and so I am
fifth generation in this business.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
And what you laid out there as you were talking,
I thought about so many black owned businesses that did
not go from first to fifth, where many of them
end after one generation, and if they did survive one generation,
they definitely didn't survive a second generation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
And so what was it that allowed this to continue.

Speaker 32 (01:02:36):
You make a great point there because there are some
statistics that aren't in our favor.

Speaker 31 (01:02:41):
So we've overcome the whole lot.

Speaker 32 (01:02:44):
I mean, forty percent of businesses make it to the
second generation, eighteen percent to the third, and three to
the fourth. And here we sit as the fifth generation.
And Nick and I in this book we make a
case as to how the Mechusics were able to persevere
through all that was happening. I mean they went through
slavely Jim Crow, you know, racist Deep South, and so

(01:03:09):
some of the history that surprised me in here in
our book was around how slaves were treated different in
each state. And the mcusicks were in North Carolina where
the slaves there were fewer.

Speaker 31 (01:03:22):
Slaves on slave masters probably had less slaves.

Speaker 32 (01:03:27):
Than you know, five hundred, three hundred slaves, and a
white family of five.

Speaker 31 (01:03:34):
Moses mcizick was.

Speaker 32 (01:03:35):
In a situation where there were ten to twelve slaves,
and so they were more like extended help, extended family,
and they were treated differently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It wasn't necessarily like others where they had hundreds where
it was a business that was the agriculture business exactly.

Speaker 32 (01:03:54):
They were artisans, so you know, they were builders, and
the slave master was a builder, so they were helping
hands to build whatever the master wanted to build.

Speaker 31 (01:04:06):
So they were taught how to build back then.

Speaker 32 (01:04:10):
And so what they brought to the table, the value
they brought to the table was important at that time.
I mean, you know, people were beginning to build new homes.
They were leaving the cabin type homes and going to
more of the stone structures and so and the country
economically was beginning to do better, and so you had

(01:04:31):
wealthier people who wanted to build stately homes, which the
mckisicks built in spring Hill, Tennessee. You can see the
mckiswick home, the Cheers Home, the Maxwell House home, which
is the Maxwell House Coffee and you know, you can.

Speaker 31 (01:04:48):
Go a strip of a street of these beautiful.

Speaker 32 (01:04:52):
Homes that they were building at that time. So their
craft was something that was needed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
The continuation, I think is important because what often happens
is that next generation has other pursuits, uh, and oh
I don't want to do that, I mean, and there's
so many kids who want to run away from the
family business and so so so what was it was,
was it literally, no, this is what you're.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Uh and and and because I mean other families have
done that. Well, no, you're gonna you are going to
study this, you are gonna work this, you are going
to continue this. Or was it a matter of just
as each generation that that that was just what the
decision was.

Speaker 32 (01:05:39):
Yeah, I think there are several factors in that, and
one is one of the other options. Right, So Moses
mcusick the first passing the trade down in Moses mcisick
the second, which he was able to expand upon. So
with each generation there was more education, they enhanced their trade.
So then Moses mcizwick the third, he became an architect.

(01:06:00):
By the time I came along, my father was, you know,
you you can go to the school you want to,
but I'm only paying for Howard University and you're going
to get an engineering degree.

Speaker 31 (01:06:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
The school and the majors established it.

Speaker 32 (01:06:16):
All because well, look, we only had three stations, we
didn't have the internet, we didn't have a lot of choices.
I remember at the time I was at a Now
is that what you wanted to do? Not necessarily because
we were we to actually want to do. We were
at a private white school and everybody was going to
Ivy League schools. Even our black friends were going to

(01:06:38):
Harvard Brown. That's what we wanted to do. You know,
we wanted to go to Columbia. We wanted to do
those things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
But so you wanted to go to the Ivy League.
But what did you want to study?

Speaker 32 (01:06:49):
What did we We probably still wanted to at least
I wanted to study architecture or engineering or business.

Speaker 31 (01:06:55):
Got it because I grew up working in the business.
I mean at early ages.

Speaker 32 (01:07:02):
I was in the office on Saturdays walking construction sites.
You know, we were trained that way at an early age.
But I didn't necessarily want to go to Howard. But
once I got to Howard, it was the best thing
that ever happened to me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
And you know, but then again, you couldn't if you
whistle wells, you had to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Pay for it.

Speaker 31 (01:07:19):
I had to pay for it. He wasn't playing about that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I'm joining the same thing. Tom Jordan told us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
He like said, y'all go anywhere, but it has to
be an HBCU or I ain't paying for.

Speaker 31 (01:07:29):
It, exactly exactly.

Speaker 32 (01:07:31):
And so now today, you know, my two children, one
went to George Washington and the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Went to Pratt.

Speaker 32 (01:07:39):
You know, I took them to Howard's campus, tried to
talk them into it. It wasn't happening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
But but but you didn't make it no demand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I know, that's you messed up. See your dad figured
it out. Your dad figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
You can't you can't like not make a demand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
You want to say, I ain't supporting nothing, You ain't
getting no money, gonna be one hundred percent on your own.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
You figured it out. See.

Speaker 31 (01:08:03):
I wish I could put the toothpaste back into the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
See that's the that's them is the next generator.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Y'all go soft. See that's the problem. Hardcore.

Speaker 31 (01:08:12):
No, we're not all right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Well well they are they at least studying architecture engineering.

Speaker 31 (01:08:17):
Or they oh they didn't. But they're in the business.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Uh.

Speaker 32 (01:08:21):
And you know I remember I rebelled against the business
once I graduated from Howard.

Speaker 31 (01:08:27):
I didn't want to work for the family business. So
why I moved to New York.

Speaker 32 (01:08:31):
I didn't want to go to Nashville. And you know,
I wanted to go into a corporation that was much bigger.
There was this allure.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
See no, no, no, nobody but no, but but that
has to be that has to be that has to
be explained, because that literally is what happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't care what the business is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I don't care if it's a catering business, if a
grocery business, grocery store business or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Uh, that next generation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
You know, in many ways we're looking down on it,
thinking that that's not big enough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It's not it's not glidsey. Uh, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
It's you know what my friends are going to say,
there's look and.

Speaker 31 (01:09:16):
Your peers look down on it too.

Speaker 32 (01:09:18):
I mean I write about that in my book that
you know, my friends were going to work for on
Wall Street and here I am got a consideration to
go back to Nashville to work in a family business.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
But see but but the thing though, so but with that,
so at but at what point did it hit you that, Okay,
sure they're going these places, but we are owners.

Speaker 32 (01:09:44):
Well you begin to see that there's a glass ceiling
that everybody in leadership does not look like you, and
you know, at some point, you know they're going to
get rid of you because you're not tall enough, you're
not white enough, you're not this, you're not that.

Speaker 31 (01:10:02):
And so you begin to realize that if you own
your own you really have control over your destiny. And
to me, that's what hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Now, not like y'all small business. I mean, it's not
like y'all are mom and pop business.

Speaker 31 (01:10:17):
No, we weren't a grocery store.

Speaker 32 (01:10:19):
We were architects and we were builders, and we had
established ourselves for generations.

Speaker 31 (01:10:27):
But my mother stepped in.

Speaker 32 (01:10:29):
She called my boss, she told my boss I was
quitting that day, and then she called me and told
me I quit.

Speaker 31 (01:10:36):
So again, it was a little bit of force there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Now than which job was that?

Speaker 32 (01:10:39):
When I was working for Turner Construction, which is probably
the largest contra.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Hold on Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
So y'all, so you you ain't gonna want to go
work in the family business, then you go work for
a construction business, which is really closely tied to the
family business. And then what you were frustrated about what
was happening there.

Speaker 32 (01:11:00):
Well, I could see what was happening there. But I
liked it there because it was learning ground for me.

Speaker 31 (01:11:06):
I was learning much more.

Speaker 32 (01:11:09):
You know, I was working on huge projects in Manhattan,
and that right there, you know, taught me a lot.
But then my mother decided she needed my help, and
you know, time was up.

Speaker 31 (01:11:22):
Time for me to go back to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Mama called the boss. Yes, did you know Mama was
calling the boss?

Speaker 23 (01:11:29):
I did not know.

Speaker 31 (01:11:30):
And then she called me and said, Mama.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Calls the boss says, hey, she leaving.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Then she calls you say hey, by the way, I
told your boss you leaving, so you ain't got no
choice but to come.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
That's it.

Speaker 32 (01:11:46):
And then I said, oh my god, Mom, I'm scared
of him. And she said, oh, he's a nice man.
We had a great conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Now you should have been scared of her for calling
your boss and you didn't know, saying she leaving a
job that you had no plans on leaving.

Speaker 31 (01:12:04):
No plans And that next week I start commuting to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
But do you believe that, whether it was the Ivy
League schools or the Glipsy jobs, do you believe some
of that was white validation? And I'm asking for a
reason because I've talked to I mean, I've interviewed so
many different people, and I've seen so many different stories.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
And what has been consistent is that even with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Our businesses, when I go back to the whole looking
down on it, you have black children.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Who oh, that's less than.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Versus that, whether it's school or whether it's the business,
and that that that thing is real, that thing is
it's real, that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
What is ours.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I was literally having did an interview to day and
I was telling someone that the power of white supremacy
is so deep that the moment we say something is black,
black school, black owned business, meaning of us automatically go
straight to its second class.

Speaker 31 (01:13:24):
Well, I've lived that.

Speaker 32 (01:13:25):
I've been running a black business now for over thirty years,
so I've lived that. I've had to hire people, I've
had to go for projects, you know, I've had to
represent and I get that.

Speaker 31 (01:13:37):
I still get that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
How do you what do you say to the folk
who you do employ, who bring that mentality, who coming
to the door and you know they are moving and
acting in a way that they would never do if
that was a white company.

Speaker 32 (01:13:56):
So that has happened to us several times that we
have gone out for senior leaders and we've used large
search firms to bring them in and they're white. They
come in like they're the great hope. They come in
as though they have the best ideas. They want to
rearrange and change everything that we're doing.

Speaker 31 (01:14:18):
Especially our culture and it has not worked for us.
We've rejected those people.

Speaker 32 (01:14:24):
And so now at mckisick, because we're in the middle
of succession planning, we are pointing a whole new leadership
in January. We're we are now appointing people that have
been with us for eighteen twenty years, who happen to
be black, who understand our culture, who appreciate what they've

(01:14:44):
learned at mckiswick, who have seen us grow and we're
part of that growth over the last twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But yes, of course now, and those are.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
White staffers, How did you deal when you had black
folks who thought that way? Because see what I said,
what I was because when I was at TV one,
was at TV one, we will often have I mean,
we might be in means or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
And I had some stablished that, well, you know, we
are a black network.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
And I literally said, if I hear any of y'all
said again, you're fired. You will you you will not
work on this show if that's your mentality, because I
know exactly what that phrase means. And I said, I
will fire you if you ever say that again.

Speaker 31 (01:15:30):
Yeah, I've seen it more with our black clients.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Mmm.

Speaker 31 (01:15:34):
I know, I mean, who think the other is ice
is colder.

Speaker 32 (01:15:39):
Yes, I've seen it with black clients, black institutions where
they hire white contractors and then bring us in beneath
them or right you know, now they're concerned that they
only have two percent black subcontractors on the job, so
they bring us in to fix that.

Speaker 31 (01:16:00):
And because the.

Speaker 32 (01:16:00):
Community now is talking about them, right, but it's late,
it's too late.

Speaker 31 (01:16:06):
I get that I see that much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Now, have you now because I know how I wrote? Now,
do you bite your tongue or have you pulled some
folks cottails?

Speaker 31 (01:16:16):
I do not bite my tongue.

Speaker 32 (01:16:18):
I engage my consultants to write letters and then I
don't contribute to their galas and events ever. Again, because
these are some of the prominent black institutions in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
That I'm just shocked that they.

Speaker 31 (01:16:35):
Would even consider a black firm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Now, Now, have any of those folks hit you as like,
I'm sure what's going on? You're not contributing? And do
you then say explain to you why?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
They know why?

Speaker 32 (01:16:49):
But I have had opportunities later on to explain because
they find themselves in trouble. They hired the white firm
that had the front as a sub and now they're
on the front page of the New York Times, okay,
And and I run into them later.

Speaker 31 (01:17:06):
And I'm like, you see, that's what you get. That's
what you get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
So the reason I think this is so important because
when we talk about building capacity, building scale. You earlier,
you talking about that glass ceiling, Well, there are black
institutions that contribute to that for black owned businesses. And
and I've seen this in in so many different areas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
I've seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
You there, there there are black organizations, civil rights organizations
that literally hire white.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Pr from that will see.

Speaker 31 (01:17:41):
That's what I want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh, I ain't got to problem saying it. So let's
just be real clear. Iin't got to problem saying it.
I mean that that was it was a white pr firm,
the NAACP high for the Image Awards, who had no
idea who these black celebrities were. So they were literally
turning people away on the red carpet. And there was
black this is going, hey, that's so and so from

(01:18:03):
so and so and so, show that they literally had
no idea. And the and the thing and what the
black public publicers were saying was okay, you're paying top
dollar for that to that white PR firm because you
think that they can get you coverage in mainstream media,
and we know the retainers they they pay. How is

(01:18:25):
that you that you are not having a black PR
agency as your lead of the NAACP Image.

Speaker 32 (01:18:31):
Awards Exactly, that's crazy. It was refreshing to walk in
here and see all the black people working. You see
my PR consultant, you see my photographer, my glam team.
I get it and and and I'm one hundred percent
behind the fact that it's an ecosystem. We have to

(01:18:52):
work together, and you know, it comes together beautifully when
we own and we believe that. Let's take Terminal one
at JFK were Magic Johnson and Jim Rentols and Lou
Capitol are owners. The first thing they did is they
brought me in. Then they brought they said, you know,
now you got to take it all the way down.
You got to hire black architects, black engineers, black contractors.

Speaker 31 (01:19:15):
We're now at one point five billion in spend with
minority businesses.

Speaker 32 (01:19:21):
But it started at the top. And so that mentality
is one that we have to have. You know, it's
about black economic empowerment and we should be able to
do it by ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
When we talk about building, we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Whether we're talking about I mean any project. Yeah, what
happened when?

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Well, not before, not not them. Have there been situations
where internally y'all said, I think that's too big for us?
Or has it always been, Oh, there's nothing too big
for us.

Speaker 32 (01:20:01):
No, there have been projects that are too big for us.
But let's take MegaR Evarts College in Brooklyn.

Speaker 31 (01:20:10):
Back in.

Speaker 32 (01:20:12):
Early two thousands, President Edison old Jackson. He was determined
to have a black firm build his campus. So we
went to our partners and you know, we asked them
to joint venture with us and to be a backstop
for us. And that's the way you do that, you
build partnership. We did that with Bruce Ratner for the

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Barkley Arena. We worked with Turner Construction, and so, no,
there's a way to do it. So we're not gonna
go We're not gonna go and take a job that
we cannot successfully complete. We don't have one of those
in our portfolio, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
So, so the point there is when you make an
assessment of a particular job and you say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
You're big enough to do this on our own.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
But if it is a job that is bigger than
your capacity, you don't walk away from it. What you
say is okay, who can we partner with?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Right? See the reason I think the original I have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
To ask the question because that's the mistake I think
the mistake that a lot of people make. First of all,
they want they want a job, they want the bigger contract.
But if you do not have the capacity for the
contract and then you get it, you actually end up
hurting yourself because you can't do the high quality job.

(01:21:39):
And then that word spreads around and you're trying to
get to this level and it may actually knock you
lower than where you are right.

Speaker 31 (01:21:46):
Now, take you out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Right.

Speaker 31 (01:21:48):
In our business, it could take you out. But the
large firms do that.

Speaker 32 (01:21:53):
You know, no one wants the risk for an eight
billion dollar project or four billion dollar project.

Speaker 31 (01:21:59):
So even the large firms.

Speaker 32 (01:22:01):
Team and they spread that risk around. And so we've
been successful at doing that over the years. But we
have to educate our client that that's possible. Right because
the client right away says, oh, it's too big for mcizick,
let's go get the larger firm, And you're.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Like, hey, hold on, don't don't right, don't play these
ball right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Let me make that decision. Right, you say, y'all starting
a new transition in January? Will that be the sixth generation.

Speaker 32 (01:22:29):
No, It'll just be a great management team that has
been with us for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And why is that?

Speaker 31 (01:22:37):
Because I'm looking at succession.

Speaker 32 (01:22:39):
I've been working on succession planning for several years now,
and you know, by twenty thirty, I'd like to cut
back on my hours in the office, and so I
want to start the succession now and I'll have five
years to see it through. I feel succession planning is
missing in a lot of family on There.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Were no so there were no family members who you
said can run this business?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Not now? No, no, Now, that's not an easy decision.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
No.

Speaker 32 (01:23:13):
But you know, when you talk about succession planning, it's
the management side and then it's the ownership side. So
I'm looking at how to deal with the ownership side
with actual family members and probably some of my staff members.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Because that listen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
The thing that even part of that what I I
was in this debate with somebody, we were talking I'm
not going to name the individual we were discussing, but
what I said to him, and he was he was
he couldn't believe it. I said to him, I said,
I don't measure great black business founders or owners by

(01:23:57):
how they seated and ran their business. I said, I
call them great based upon how they left it. And
he was like, I'm I understanding. So then when I
explained to him this particular business how it was left
when the founder passed away, I said, that's why I

(01:24:22):
can't call this person a great businessman. I said, he
was a good businessman. It was great while he lived.
I said, but those who are great is that they
properly positioned the business to succeed without them, and they
made those succession plans very clear. And so that's whether
it's a pastor of a church, whether it's a business owner.

(01:24:44):
That is a huge politics right yes, say politician as well,
But that is a huge part of legacy that you
are thinking about that, And it's not just solely about
me myself, and.

Speaker 32 (01:24:55):
I no, no, I feel it's encumbered up on me
to get in the right management team to carry this
business forward without me and to grow it.

Speaker 31 (01:25:09):
You know, it shouldn't just be on my shoulder.

Speaker 32 (01:25:12):
And so I've been working at that for a while,
and you know, I had I had to take a
sabbatical this year for a couple of years. So the
management team that I'm put in in place actually start
running the company back in February that we just kept
it going.

Speaker 31 (01:25:28):
As you know, I'm on a book tour.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Well, somebody just work work.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Last question, I asked all books offors this and that
is in the writing of the book and in the research,
what was your wow moment?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
What was what was there something that you remembered?

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Was there something about the research that caused you to
go wow, that was unbelievable, that's crazy.

Speaker 32 (01:25:52):
There's a whole chapter on birth of a Nation and
the movie, the movie got it and you know, what
does that have to do with construction? But it has
a lot to do with all black businesses at that time,
because that was when black businesses who had white patrons
and patrons had to shift to only have black patrons

(01:26:16):
because at that point, you know, just that imagery alone
made white people not.

Speaker 31 (01:26:22):
Want to go to black businesses anymore.

Speaker 32 (01:26:25):
And you know, not only not go to them, just
out now kill us too, right, because if you were
white and you hated us, this just gave you the
license to go ahead and kill.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Julian Malvold talks about that in her research. She said,
a lot of people understand a lot of the lynchings
were not tied to some white man speaking to a
white person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Whatever. It was, the jealousy of the success of black.

Speaker 31 (01:26:48):
Owned It was jealousy. That's the root of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
You know.

Speaker 32 (01:26:52):
It's the brokenness of those people that couldn't deal with
black people succeeding.

Speaker 31 (01:26:58):
So had just left us a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Lot segregated, you get everything, had folks enslaved and all
of that, and now you mad because despite all of that,
we still were still right.

Speaker 31 (01:27:10):
We were rooted and we still rise right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Well, some things changed, some stayed the same, y'all. The
book is the Black family who built America, the Machistics,
two centuries of daring pioneers Sheryl M. Chissick, Danielle uh
with Nick Childs. Get the book, folks, you'll know how
we believe about history versus his story.

Speaker 7 (01:27:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
And so that is critically important. Uh. And so again, Chery,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, folks. Gonna go to a break,
we come back. We're gonna chat with lamel Vic Morris,
a businessman from Chicago, growing up on the South Side
of Chicago to running and owning several different businesses. In
this book, he talks about the importance of having resilience
at conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Next right here, rolland UNFORCID on the Black Study Network.

Speaker 24 (01:28:05):
This week on the Other Side of Change, Hurricane Katrina
twenty years later. Cannot believe that it's been more than
twenty years since we saw black people and black communities
across New Orleans and the South being failed by our government.
But it's a Heroin lesson, we're going to unpack how
race and class intersect in ways and how we need
to talk about this government doing more for our communities. Again,

(01:28:28):
you're watching the Other Side of Change on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 16 (01:28:32):
I'm doctor Greg Carr and coming up on the next
Black Table, we're speaking with doctor Lucius t Outlaw, Junior
Master teacher and philosopher. He takes us on his journey
to discover and celebrate black philosophy.

Speaker 17 (01:28:45):
From my undergraduate years at FIST all the way through
my PhD. I was never in a philosophy class where
I had a professor who was a person of athro
discern nor a sign attach written by a person of
Afress's help.

Speaker 16 (01:28:58):
How he pushed back at the those who said there
what it means to be black. That's on the Next

Speaker 13 (01:29:15):
This week, on a Balance Life with Doctor Jackie, we're
talking all things entrepreneurship. Whether you want to jump right in,
take a leap of faith, or you just been thinking
about it for a while. We're having a one on
one candid conversation with doctor Darney, our level up coach
and YouTuber of the amazing pay Sugar.

Speaker 14 (01:29:33):

Speaker 15 (01:29:36):
work that goes into it, and not necessarily the work
in the business itself, but some inner work.

Speaker 13 (01:29:45):
That's this week on a Balance Life with Dr Jackie
on Black Star Network.

Speaker 25 (01:29:57):
On the next Get Wealthy with Me Deborah Owens, America's
wealth Coach, we talk about the principles of mindset, strategy
and execution. This week, we're adding a fourth faith. You're
going to hear from a mother and daughter duel who
are healthy. Thousands of Black women.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Build wealth all through their faith.

Speaker 26 (01:30:21):
You are more than you can ever imagine not just
obtaining things to show that, but seeing yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
Making your faith work for you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
That's right here on Get Wealthy only.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
On Blackstar Network. Hatred on the Streets.

Speaker 27 (01:30:43):
A horrific scene white nationalists rally that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
White people are losing their their minds as a angry
pro Trump mock storms the US capital. We're about to
see the lives what I call white minority resistance.

Speaker 28 (01:31:02):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I think what we're.

Speaker 9 (01:31:09):
Seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial.

Speaker 7 (01:31:14):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 29 (01:31:15):
Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at
every university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
This is the rise of the proud boys and the
Boogaaloo boys America.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 30 (01:31:31):
They this country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors
and its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 28 (01:31:40):
The fee that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources,
they're taking out women.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
This is white being. In my book, the Power to Persist.

Speaker 18 (01:31:59):
I share a simple yet powerful habits, a blueprint for
transforming obstacles in the opportunities and pressure into purpose, just
as they fueled my rise from the South Side of
Chicago to a national stage. And on the Power to
Persist podcasts, I bring that blueprint to life.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Folks, Running a business, Owning a business is not easy.
Starting one is not easy. But that's one thing. But
how do you even get there?

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Do you? What do you have to go through?

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
There are a lot of people, a lot of people
who have ambitions and dreams to do great things, but
they never do because they don't want to take that leap.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
They're scared.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Well, my next author talks about the power resilience. What
does it mean to actually look at your upbringing and
then how do you actually overcome all of that to
live the dreams that you want to live. The book
is called Eight Simple Habits to Build Lifelong Resilience. First
of all is to call the Power to Persist. Eight
Simple Habits to Build Lifelong Resilience.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Lameil J.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Mc morris is the author of the book Johnson Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Was six, How are you doing that? All good? All good?
I was? I chatted with someone.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I did the interview today. Okay and my brother we
did the interview. It is a great interview, and he
was asking me about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
The show. Does that can me? How do we start
the show house of the network and and what do
we have to deal with?

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
And he asked me about fear uh And I told him,
I said, I said, I wasn't scared. I said I
wasn't scared because I said I wasn't focused on content.
I said, I was focused on the business of the business.
I said, how do you generate money? How do you
how do you build that? And he was very surprised

(01:34:12):
by that. And I think for a lot of people
were talking about we talk about becoming an entrepreneur, becoming
a business owner, they are fearful. And I believe they're
fearful because of what they don't know, and they haven't
taken the time to study, to focus, to understand the

(01:34:33):
business of the business and then go from there.

Speaker 18 (01:34:36):
I think fear is by the way. First of all,
thank you for having me. I appreciate our friendship. This
actually is part of what it means to build a business.
When people like you give folks like me an opportunity
to not just tell our stories, but to talk about
our work and our business.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
So thank you forget kudoos to you for the for
the platform.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Fear is actually fuel, it actually becomes was part of
the energy.

Speaker 18 (01:35:01):
Did I wake up this morning as an entrepreneur and
a business owner worrying about bills, how it's going to
pay people, how I'm gonna absolutely But you don't let
that consume you. You actually let that be the fuel
that makes you go get it, that makes you go work,
that makes you go propel. You don't get caught up
in the fear. I describe Roland an entrepreneur as someone

(01:35:23):
who goes on top of this nice fancy building, jumps off,
and then figures out what's gonna happen on the way down.
You jump, you take the lead, but stand in business.
Building a business is what helps you on the way
down figure out how to stay in business.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
But the fear also for me again we talk about
the idea of resilience.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Right, you're going to face that you're gonna fail, it's
going to happen, You're gonna have hardships, and that to me,
it ain't It ain't simple.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
And somebody's tell folks is that's actually what you have
to fortify yourself. How how do you you prepare yourself
every day for that letdown when that contract didn't come
through it? Man, you were banking on that and you
but you already had dreams of what you were gonna get,
what you were gonna do, and then now you're now
you're depressed and tired. It's like, okay, well now that's done.

(01:36:18):
Now I gotta be the next thing. And that, to
me is also the difference between the folk who we
talk about today who are highly successful and those who
are not, because they understood I can't let that small
setback keep me from trying to get to my dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
So I mentioned it in the book.

Speaker 18 (01:36:39):
I think you know my relationship with Reverend Jesse Jackson Senior,
and he has this saying that, look, if you knocked
me down right now, that's on you. If you come
back next week and I'm still down, that's on me.
As someone whose business partner walked out, I've been fired.
It is at that moment where you have to figure

(01:37:00):
out who you are. You have to figure out who
you are and you have to come up with a plan.
In the book The Habits, I talk about are being vulnerable,
being agile when the door closes? How do you maneuver?
How do you navigate to start something new? To reinvent yourself?
We talk about this dogged determination when I think about

(01:37:21):
Roland Martin and all that he's been through to start
up this network that has one point five million, but
coming from being other situations where that didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
So well, we don't stop.

Speaker 18 (01:37:33):
We just keep going until we figure out and until
we reach the goals we set, until we succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Say you have.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
These points, yeah, and your chapter three is work ethic.
I just simply believe out of all of them, that
is the most important.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
And the reason I because when people, when young people
coming to me and there's say, oh, if that's one thing,
what piece of heights could you give me? Or to
these students or whatever? And to be a great journal
I said, I said, what I'm about to tell you
applies to any any job going to I said, you
gotta have work ethic, no doubt about Deon Sanders said says,

(01:38:17):
I need those folks who got some dog in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
And the thing for me is that that's what drives
me crazy. People who work for me. People who've interned
for me, it drives me crazy. I don't care if
you've been in this business three days, three years, or
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
I got to see work ethic.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
I got to see you give a damn and you
come in here early, and you put it in the time,
and you're learning new stuff and you're not just relying
on somebody else that you're no, no, no, no, I'm
gonna sit I'm gonna stay on top of what's happening
in the business.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
To me, that's what separates, no doubt about it.

Speaker 18 (01:38:59):
So the journ by the way, today, we are very
excited about the fact that, you know, as a first
time author book coming out today for the first time
September twenty third, we're already an Amazon bestseller, right, But
I mentioned that because we're proud.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
But you know, my publisher may get mad at me.

Speaker 18 (01:39:17):
You know, when you engage in this process, the publisher
has you know their plan right, right, But then Lamel,
the author has to have his plan right, and so
you kick in and you do the extra work, you
go beyond. And I think part of what we've been
able to do, and I talk about network, is one
of the habits of being resilient in the book. You know,

(01:39:39):
I've gone beyond, above and beyond, and thank god it's
now paying off. I'm convinced Roland that there are people
that are smarter than you and I. There are people
that are taller than you and I. There are people
that look better.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Than you and I.

Speaker 18 (01:39:53):
But I don't think anybody is going to outwork us.
And that's the difference. You got to lean into your
strength and what you can do best and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
The work ethic. Also, it means that it also is
tied to the business. I got stopped me and he said, man.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
You carry your own stuff. Yeah, Oh yeah, you don't
have You don't have somebody who does this stuff. Oh yeah,
you talk about somebody who didn't want to open their mail.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
And I'm like, yeah, I said, first, I said, here's
what you understand. I said, why am I said, let's
run the numbers. Yeah, I said, it takes me fifteen
minutes to set my stuff up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Why am I going to pay somebody a full day rate, yeah,
an airline ticket, yeah, a hotel, a per diem to
do what I can literally set up in fifteen minutes.
I said, that's a dumb business move.

Speaker 18 (01:40:59):
Well, you know this because first of all, servants of all,
you know, we shall transcend.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
It's hard to lead from behind.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
That's for all of y'all Omega's, you know, our olders
and Sigmas. It's two of them in that control room.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
They know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to lead from behind.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
And that delta too, yeah, you know yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:41:21):
And I think that the first step towards leadership is
to first be a good servant. You know, doctor King
said that everyone can lead because everyone can serve. Right,
You don't have to have a college degree, you don't
have to have your PC, you don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
To understand well, you don't have to have a title.

Speaker 18 (01:41:38):
You don't have to have a title. And what people
don't recognize is, you know, everybody sees. This is what
I love about being here in your studio. Everybody sees
the glory, everybody sees the results. But people don't focus
on the story.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
The story.

Speaker 18 (01:41:53):
What people don't see you do carrying your own stuff.
I've been with you, carrying your own stuff, setting up
your own equipment. You can't get to you skip over
the story. You cannot skip over the work part in
order to get to this part. You grew up in
Chicago South Side of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
What did you see.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Or did someone else see what you're doing now and
saying no, this is what you're gonna do.

Speaker 18 (01:42:20):
It's a combination of both. I'm clearly the result of
a lot of people pouring into me, my mom, my family, mentors, etc.
But you know, there's an old gospel song that I
really didn't understand until later in life, and it says
something within me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
All I know is I thank God for whatever that
something is.

Speaker 18 (01:42:43):
As a kid who grew up on sixty six of
Collage Grove in Woodlawn, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Always attracted to politics.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
You know, Chicago's a very political place.

Speaker 18 (01:42:54):
But I was a kid who could tell you even
as a child, who the alderman was, who the mayor was,
whom I remember of Congress?

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Was I unew the president's name, the vice versa.

Speaker 18 (01:43:03):
And so that seed was planet in the shadow of
Harold Washington becoming the first black mayor of Chicago, which.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Was now why was that planet where your mother, where
your folks.

Speaker 9 (01:43:15):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
You just knowsion.

Speaker 18 (01:43:19):
I was always that kid at the table with adults
making decisions about public policy stuff. I was the current
events perfect exam and you you know in the book,
and I tell people there's a line from our childhood.
It may not necessarily be straight, but there's a line
from sixty six and everything I was there into being
here in the Capitol in Washington, d Sea with you

(01:43:40):
and all that I've done, and I've just tried to
be as faithful as possible to that line, to that seed,
to that thing that I cannot explain that has been
in me since a kid, fostered and facilitated by family,
by church, by mentors. But it was something that unexplainable
that put the in me that makes me who I

(01:44:01):
am today through the habits, through work, ethic, through determination,
through school. Absolutely you have to put into work, but
it's also that intangible that I think has always been there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Earlier you talked about working reriv Jess Jackson Senior, and
you had other opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Yes, who will be eighty four as a matter of fact,
in about a week.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Absolutely, when did you know or what was it walk
people through?

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
When you knew whatever the job was, it was time
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Because see that to me is also another hard thing
for people who want to fulfill dreams. Because I go
back to fear yes, and what am I gonna get paid,
What's gonna happen or whatever the heck, not realizing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
That you have to know, you have to know yes
when it's time to go.

Speaker 18 (01:44:56):
I've never told this publicly, so kudos to you for
getting it out of me. And what a phenomenal question.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
I was.

Speaker 18 (01:45:06):
You know, when you travel with Reverend Jackson, and at
the time I did so for everyone. I was Reverend
Jackson's body man. So what Reggie Love was to Obama,
That's what I was to Reverend Jackson at the height
of his prominence and stature going to the White House.
I've stayed in hotels, I never dreamed of, travel in
ways that I've never dreamed of, and so it was one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Of because people have no idea, especially out of the country,
Reverend Jackson is seen, oh my goodness, as a diplomatic figure.
I mean, listen to motorcades. There are people don't understand
how he's received around the world.

Speaker 18 (01:45:39):
No, no, no, we're down the street right now in
your studio from the White House. I remember being able
to drive. He would not everyone he could drive. We
would drive the car directly up to the front door
to be able to see the nation and the world
to your point through Reverend Jackson's eyes as it's immeasurable what.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
That has done for me. But I remember we would
get on private planes a lot.

Speaker 18 (01:46:04):
You know, occasions people would let us use their plane
and that's how we would have to travel because we
would be in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Five to ten cities. Yeah, you know in twenty four hours.

Speaker 18 (01:46:13):
On this one occasion, we got on a private plane
and I looked around and it finally hit me and
I said, how do I get one of these? And
that's that was it when I determined that. You know,
I could stay with Reverend Jackson for years and boy
is comfortable. Boy, I'm getting all kind.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Of access, But how do I figure out how to
be still true to what I've been called to do?

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
But achieved some of these goals on my own? And
that's when I knew it was time. So when you
asked that question, that's when you say, and I asked
that question to myself.

Speaker 18 (01:46:46):
I got on that plane and I looked around and
I said, you know, this is great, and we ride
on a lot of these, but how do I get
one of these for myself? And boom, I knew it
was at that point it was time for me to
transition from that role.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
And so in doing so, some may have said, man,
you crazy, what are you doing?

Speaker 18 (01:47:06):
From my family members. I remember going home and sitting
on the porch on the South Side Chicago with one
of my cousins. She's gonna probably freak out, shears is,
And I'm sitting on the porch, you know, over in
Chatham in the neighborhood, and I told her, you know,
I'm getting ready to leave from traveling with Reverend Jackson.
She's like, what you know, because for our people, you know,
at that time, the role I had being with him everywhere,

(01:47:29):
presidents around the country, around the world, what do you
mean and so but I was not deterred.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
As a matter of fact. That again becomes part of
the fuel.

Speaker 18 (01:47:39):
And you know, I give much credit to him for
the exposure and showing me what was possible.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
And part of that is part of the journey.

Speaker 18 (01:47:49):
We need a you know, I tell people your network
is your your net work, and show me your friends
and I'll show you your future. So being in close
proximity to people, but like that allowed me to open
my eyes to what was possible.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
You say, eight simple habits to build lifelong resilience.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Yes, but they're not simple. They're not.

Speaker 18 (01:48:11):
But they're also for most folks, they won't be new.
I think what I'm offering is a chance to revive
that which may be dormant in you. You know, perhaps
you don't recognize you're being agile, but you don't know
the power of how the purpose of really harnessing agility.
You know you have moments of vulnerability, but you've really

(01:48:32):
not tapped into.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Just how that will help propel you forward.

Speaker 18 (01:48:37):
You think that you're determined, but you know, maybe we
could turn it up a notch. And the one that
I lean on, and I know you do too, the most,
the habit that I lift up towards the end of
the book is faith. You know, we all go through
church and this term faith is thrown out there and
we define it, those of us who are Christians, as

(01:49:00):
the substance of things hope for and the evidence of
things not seen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
But there is that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
But Roland, I'll submit to you.

Speaker 18 (01:49:11):
I'll submit to you that when I came to an
understanding that I am the substance of things hope for,
I am the evidence of things not seen for ancestors
and unts and grandparents and great grandparents that I never met,
who never would have dreamed or imagine that I could
have the opportunity to do the things that I do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
That's a different level.

Speaker 18 (01:49:34):
Of trigger and harnessing of our faith and what and
how that plays into our ability to be resilient.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
I'm curious to hear how you answer this question. I'm
sure there are people who come up to you all
around the country of the world who say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I want you to be my mentor when that happens,
how do you respond rather immediate?

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
I am big on giving out my phone number, my
email address.

Speaker 18 (01:50:04):
You know, there's certain keys if you're alumnus of Morehouse
College and which I'm huge on, if you're a member.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Of our fraternity, those are fast triggers.

Speaker 18 (01:50:13):
But you don't have to be I tell young people,
especially if you take the first step. If I give
you my phone number and my email address and you
reach out, I'll take the next step, and I'm proud.
I hope there are young people who would say that
I've had some level of engagement and input to their journey.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Most of the time, I say no, Yeah, why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Because I have a Biblical view of mentorship. For me,
mentors choose mentees.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Hmmm, not the reverse. See that's fascinating. I chose my
mentors as a child. See see, I'll dare say. You
didn't let me explain.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Okay, the mentor has to see something in you to
say I'm willing to invest my time, energy and resources.

Speaker 18 (01:51:08):
And I talk about dogger determination. And I didn't give
them an option to say no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
And I kept that's besides see it there, that's my
whole point. So my point is your actions show them
he wants this what and so for me I put up,
I use Elijah and Elisha. Elisha says, I want you
a knowning.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Well, if you standing behind me when I dropped my coat,
you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
But I ain't about to wait for you. He takes off.
Elisha has to drop his plow and follow him. Elijah
wasn't following him. Okay, same thing when you when.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
You talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
When you talk about Caleb, Joshua, Moses sends them in Yogo, Sililand,
everybody else come back on my God. Theay giants, well,
Caleb and josh we the only one who told them
the truth. And most like, okay, I'm gonna take care
of y'all to heck the rest of y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
So what I mean by that is folk. So so
I say no, right to see how you respond.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
I got to see something in you that's gonna make
me take my time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
So we're saying the same thing.

Speaker 18 (01:52:25):
I say, if you reach out, you got, you reach
out you got, I'm gonna reach you got.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
But even if you reach out, you you got to
steal the We was at TV one that was his
young sister worked on the staff, and she said we
were going to shoot Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
She said, well, I didn't really go to school for
this stuff. I really want to do this stuff. I said, okay.
So she was with me, handed the camera. I want
you to shoot this this. This did good? Okay. I
finally come back. I sit down next day or here's
the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
I sit down with the executive producer. I sit down
with our one of our product folks. Will do this here,
you could utilize my camp. So I had a camera
left of the office you could use whatever four months.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Ago, but I never used it. Mmm. So then.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
We even had we went to LA for the Image Awards.
I put the total bruise and put them on the
team to see us in an element. Sure got that
really didn't do anything. And so a friend of hers
hit me when they it's like, oh, so and so
is gonna be a star one that. I said, no,
she's not doing this hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
And she's like what I'm like?

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
And so I said, this was nothing that happened in
four months. So we had something going on the next month,
I took off the trip. See my deal is trips
are rewards. You got to show me something at home.
If I put you on the road, this dude is tough,
No no play that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
So I took off.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Oh just crestfalling. I said, I'm gonna give it one
more shot. Sure, So we go to Essence, Sure there.
Sure ain't handled a business.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
We got back. I didn't speak to her for the
next five months, and they were like, man, why you
so hard? I said, if you come.

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
And you say you want this, and I give you
every opportunity to do it, yeah, and invest the time. Yeah,
I said, now you're playing with my time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Yeah. And I said, so I got, I'm gonna put
this in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Somebody else really wants this, And that to me is
where a lot of people mess up because it goes
right into where you talk about with network. So if
you're unwilling to go that far, I'm not about to.
I'm about to expose you to the people who I
know in my relationships. But if you do that, I
can pay the way for you to be able to

(01:54:31):
do something. But you're gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Do some work. Well you know, I'm with you.

Speaker 18 (01:54:36):
But the first thing is I commend you for even
being willing to take that type of investment.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:54:42):
I think we need more women and men in our
community who have achieved levels of success to be open
to being mentors.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
And not just casually.

Speaker 18 (01:54:52):
I mean like you're doing leaning in being very tough,
demonstrating what we call tough love. That's a big deal.
I won't stop, right, I won't stop giving out the number.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
But you're right.

Speaker 18 (01:55:05):
You know who rises to the top. You know who's
really bugging the hell out of Who know who's trying
to who's trying to get you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
They got to show it because that's what somebody said
in this dude he called me one more time. Some
of them may take your phone culture to get you
to stop try to hit them up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
But then they realized, wait, a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
He he wants this, and that to me is what
you have to do if you're trying to achieve something,
if you're trying to open open a.

Speaker 18 (01:55:37):
Door, those miles don't get veg No, you're right, but
you know you're also assuming, though, with that perspective, that
this generation especially has had a similar journey that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
I am trying to right, I'm trying to I'm trying
to exhibit a.

Speaker 18 (01:55:53):
Tad bit more grace, which is a big deal you
got for me, I'm way more graceful, only because you know,
I can't fault them for what they've not been taught.
I can't fault them for living in this world where
they're button away from having everything.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
They can get everything.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
They've not had to be as resilient they've not learned.

Speaker 18 (01:56:12):
So part of the impetus and drive to write this
book is to not only help folks like you and I,
but to show a generation that has not had the
journey that we've had.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
It doesn't know that instinctively to do some of the things.
Absolutely that's and let me tell you it's a big
deal for me. I'm trying to gave a masterclass at
Clark Atlanta two hours. I literally walk through multiple examples
of how I had benefited in my career because of

(01:56:45):
this networking and this sure how I got how I
it's that relationship, how I got to know all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Sure I get done.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Most of them walk out, Yeah, don't even ask for
the email or them. I come down to the front,
I take multiple come up one photos.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Yep, don't ask for nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
I said, they're a product of their jen And I
literally said, I'm sorry. Did anybody listen to what I
said up there? And I said, not one of y'all,
No mind you. These are journalism students.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
So this is not like engineering. No, no, no, it's
just media for.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
I said not, I said, I just explained to y'all
how I would not let anybody in media hit text
Jackay's high school textas A and M.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
And they did not beat me.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
And I said, and you walked up to me and
asked for a selfie and you didn't ask me for
my contact information.

Speaker 18 (01:57:43):
So that story, you know, only fuels, you know, my
desire to lean in more. And I hope for folks
listening that story does the same thing for them. These
young people need us in a way that we have
never imagined. Fact that you had to shout out and
damn near pool people back then into the room.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
To say hey, hey, hey, did you hear me? And
that's not me see the way.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Same thing happened for Texas Christian University, White private school
in Fort Worth.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Same thing.

Speaker 18 (01:58:14):
The first instinct is for the selfie. Roland Martin is here,
but very few are going to figure out. You know,
I think this is true from what I understand. I
think you remember years back Robert Smith gave the money
for the graduating ess. Coupled with that, people just saw

(01:58:36):
the financial but he also offered himself on an occasional
basis to get on the line with the brothers and
half conversation. It was unfortunate the amount of young men
that did not take advantage of that aspect of the gift. Right,
So the gift was not just financial, the gift of time,

(01:58:57):
the gift of my of the relations and gift of relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
And see that's just it.

Speaker 18 (01:59:03):
I think network is a networking is a very superficial term.
It is we exchange a business card. True relationships are
built when you know you called me Rowland, It's like hey, man,
when we're going to play golf.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Hey man, how's your mam? And doing? Hey man, how's
your family?

Speaker 18 (01:59:18):
People are invested in who you are beyond the business,
and when they are invested that way, they're going to
do whatever they can.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
To ensure that you're I remember when Jada Smith had
shoots have to produced a documentary on Angela Davis. We're
at the screening in New York and we're waiting for
her to come through. Will comes over and I'm about
to interview him. He said, he said, wait before I start.
He turns to the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
He says, I want y'all to know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
He said, this brother reached out just to say hi,
Happy birthday, happy anniversary, don't want nothing, hasn't asked.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Me for anything. And I said yeah. And I've had
people say, man, but but man, you were facing tough times.
Why did you call so and so and so on?

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Yeah, said no, not understanding that you didn't need to
or I do feelose necessary.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
And I've said the folk, because you talk about networking,
those relationships.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
May not manifest.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
Into something for five, ten, fifteen years, or you may
never you may never get anything monetarily out of it.
But you simply have the relationship, and that, to me
is a great mistake. And I've actually had to snatch

(02:00:40):
some folks by saying, Yo, I need you to chill
your ass out and relax.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
You push it too damn hard. Okay, let this shit
breathe I'm like, calm down.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Know how to know how to ease in, how to
ease out, know how to wash that person.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Understand.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
And because because I said, you can't make this thing
about what you want, you gotta also learn and look
at that person, that person, and then just know how.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
To move because sometimes you meet some folks and you
get on.

Speaker 18 (02:01:07):
Their damn nerves, and you also, before asking something from someone,
should figure out how you can pour into them first.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Rinaldo Glover was Alpha brother. He was the chairman of
the FIST board of trustees City College of Chicago. Matter
of fact, ran regind Lewis's business after he passed away.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
Very good friends with his wife.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Rinaldo would often he would he would he would meet
and this is what he would say, how can I
be of assistance?

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
That's right, that's right, didn't matter, he would that was
his I mean, that was the one he always help you.
He also, how can I be of assistant?

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
He was being replaced as the chair of the City
Causes of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
When New Americ came in because he lived in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
He so basically he's getting fired, right, he tells the
white guy, Okay, how can we have assistance? God was
completely shocked by but Ray that was always his thing. Yeah,
that was a question he would always ask.

Speaker 18 (02:02:09):
Yeah, I embrace that, and I do the same thing.
And you know, in every meeting it's how can I
be of help? You know, people start, they talk, but
at the end of the days, how can I be
of help?

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
I asked every book author this, and it's the last
question I'll ask you. Whenever one is writing a book,
researching a book, doing these things, there's always a wow moment.
Something happens where they go a memory gets jarred. Then
they go, wow, I forgot about that, or something pops off.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
What was it for you?

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
So in the process, your publisher asks you for the
first half of the book so that they can do
an initial review.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
And I thought, you know, you're writing a book before
the book, right, yeah, But.

Speaker 18 (02:03:02):
But I'm thinking, Okay, I'm writing this book for Roland,
and I'm going to give him these habits that he
could use to become more resilient. She pushed the book
back to me and she said, no, if people don't
see and understand your authentic resilient journey, then it's not
going to work.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
The most frustrating, I'm thinking, I'm proud of myself.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
I submitted this.

Speaker 18 (02:03:26):
It forced me to go in with put a mirror
up and divulge things that I've never admitted said out
loud and definitely not in this way.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
And I am the better for that type of liberation.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
That was the because what for the history of your
whole deal was the only private reserved well I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
Thought I was writing.

Speaker 18 (02:03:49):
I thought I was writing a simple self help book
for Roland that it was it was for you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
It wasn't for me, but in order for it to
help me, I need to know how you applied these needs,
no doubt about you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
And but that was the aha I did as a
new author. I did not know that. I thought.

Speaker 18 (02:04:07):
I thought, you know, I could write this and I
could shield all my stuff. I mean, I don't have
to talk about my result.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
You know, let me just no, no, no, no no,
because because your personal story, that's actually how someone actually
then connects.

Speaker 18 (02:04:21):
With which it's important for people to know I lost
the business. It's important that people know, you know, I've
been fired. It's important for people to know, you know,
I struggle every day. Figure you know, it's important people
to know that sometimes what you see on the outside
does not represent what's going on on the inside. But
we continue to persist.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
But it's also important people to understand that because what
it also reveals.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
You still overcame it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
That's the greatest mistake that I do believe that we
make is even I think with children.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
Yes, and a lot of parents do this.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
A lot of parents they don't talk about pain and
stuff freely, talk about financial issues with their children or
whatever the heck, So then that child has no understanding
of what they're actually going through.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
It was before COVID. My schedule was just stupid. I
mean I was always gone so on the weekend. So
one particular weekend I was there and my wife normally
took my nieces of the church. They all go out
and eat afterwards, and so this time we would churches
over would driving home they like Uncle Roll, were we
gonna eat us?

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
Like home?

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
What do you mean JACKI always takes us out. I'm like, yeah,
I know, I said, spend two that much money. I said, okay,
I said, let's walk through, so we drive it so
we might have a math lesson.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
How many of y'all in here? Six?

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
I'm seven, all right, this is average average meal? What's
the total amount of the meal? They sit there trying
to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Times four?

Speaker 23 (02:05:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Times? I said, times twelve. Then I'm like, all right,
it's six of y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:05:59):
Three tutors, laptop private lesson going through all this sort
of stuff like this, I said. And I said, now,
I said, if we go to the grocery store bodies
ingredients for this meal, how much is that meal? It's
six of y'all. You can third, you can chop, you
can went through the whole deal. I was like, y'all
gonna fix a damn meal. But I needed them to

(02:06:21):
understand that there were costs involved with all of this,
and I needed them to understand sometimes you're gonna have
to cook for yourself because you can't afford to eat out,
and so you better understand what that means, and so
and so. Then when I bought them, whenever their computers
and everything, I would tell them, that's the most expensive

(02:06:45):
thing you ever held in your life. So I need
you to understand, don't play with that two thousand dollars
computer because I'm the one who's to pay for it
to get it fixed. I needed them to understand that
this didn't just show up just because anything happens. I
could just go get another one. Yeah, I you know,

(02:07:06):
my mom did not have to beat it into me.

Speaker 18 (02:07:10):
I dedicate the book to her because she was the
greatest example of what it meant to be resilient. I
watched the sacrifices. I knew she worked multiple jobs. I
knew she was sacrificing things for herself, for me and
my brother. I was the last key kid. I had
to be at home and feed myself, et cetera. So

(02:07:30):
you know, I'm grateful that the first example of what
it means to be resilient and to persevere through hard
and difficult times was my mom.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
I do believe one of the biggest problems for this
generation and the difference between us and them. Somebody actually
put graphic on Instagram while they said, don't you ever
y'all need to lead these gen x's alone, because they
went through stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Yeah, it was so like they play on slides. Yeah,
that took the skin absolutely.

Speaker 18 (02:08:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's a there's something on Instagram that
shows the toys that we played with versus the toys
and kids played with and dangerous.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
You know, it was risking your life just going out
to play.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Were literally talking about again, right, being last key kids.
We we babysit, ourselves, cook and so so a huge
part of that psyche is knowing what we had, the
stuff that we had to do, absolutely, which certainly differs
from millennials coming behind doubt about it in gen z.
It's a totally different way.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
So yeah, it is a different world, y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
The book is The Power to Persist, Eight simple habits
to build lifelong resilience.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
The author is Lamel J. Mc morris appreciated the six
Thank you brother, thanks a bunch. Thanks for having me, folks.
That is it for us on today's show.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
I certainly hope you enjoyed the conversation we had killed
the music please, a conversation we had with both of
the book authors. Be sure to get both of these books,
shall and so both are available again. The Power to
Persist LaBelle McMorris and then, of course also the black
family who built America, the Machissics Two Sitters or Darren
Powders by.

Speaker 2 (02:09:10):
Cheryl McKissick Daniel with Nick Childs.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
And so we have these conversations and we talk about
news stuff all the time, y'all and listen, we do
this two hours a day, every single day. But I
believe one of the reasons I also created this show,
created this segment is because when you look at these
mainstream white shows, when you look at these networks, they
aren't having.

Speaker 2 (02:09:35):
Deep, long conversations.

Speaker 1 (02:09:37):
Our book interviews will go anywhere from twenty to thirty
minutes to an hour. And the issue that I have
is that very feel less. You're a big name, then
you get on one of these shows Good Morning America,
Today's Show, See This This Morning, or then Morning Joe
and these networks, and very few of us get on

(02:09:58):
those shows. And so we created Book Club. Y'all know,
I'm an avid reader. I got thousands of books at home.
I read seven to nine books at one time, and
y'all know, I don't read fiction. I like stuff that
I can actually use that's nonfiction. But this is important
because we have to provide platforms for authors to be

(02:10:19):
able to share their stories, share their works to an audience,
for folks to be able to find out about these
books and also these very unique stories that you don't
hear every single day.

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(02:11:21):
asked me. They say, well, you know, how do we
support black on media? How do we take our money?
And I said, let me help you all out. I said,
a whole bunch of y'all love Starbucks. I said, if
you decide not to get one Starbucks drink per once
a week, four times a month, I said, how much

(02:11:44):
money could you then get to support this show or
another black on media company?

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
I said, just look at the numbers. See the mistake
that we make is we say we're poor. No, we're
not poor.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
It's a matter of how we actually use our resources.
And that's the difference. And so here we've been asking
the folks, if twenty thousand, let me real clear with Chap,
if twenty thousand of our fans, this is total, okay,
We do anywhere from fifteen to eighteen to thirty million
views a month. We've got one point eighty six million
YouTube subscribers. We've got seven hundred thousand plus or eight

(02:12:15):
hundred thousand on Instagram, more than seven hundred thousand on Twitter,
one point four million on Facebook, one hundred and five
thousand on TikTok, and we're on Snapchat, we're on Spiell
spoutable linked in all the platforms, if twenty thousand people
gave this show network fifty dollars a year, I didn't
say a month a year as four dollars and nineteen
since the month thirteen cents a day, get us a

(02:12:35):
million dollars. That literally handles five months of expenses.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
For this entire network. That's it, five months. I can
take you to rest.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
So that shows you how critically important if twenty thousand
people now, the King said April third, nineteen sixty eight,
his last sermon at Mason Temple, he said, black people
individually are poor, You collectively represent one of the biggest
economies in the world.

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
He said, we have to learn to move as a collective.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
And so if you want to see this show, this
network grow, your support is critically important. I love these
simple simon negroes who say it see Rollard mot Hey
years begging, But you see the result of my so
called begging. You don't just see me sitting here. We're
sitting in the fifty eight hundred square foot studio. We're
about to have an event here, a broadcast be handling, y'all.
We can literally back back here. We do my favor,

(02:13:24):
Give me this shot, Give me the shot here. Just
want you ob to see. We got about sixty Just
give me something. We got about sixty chairs in here.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
We're gonna do this.

Speaker 1 (02:13:34):
Soon, or we're gonna actually have a live studio audience
in here to actually broadcast. I don't think y'all understand
what I'm saying. You can't do this if you don't
build the infrastructure. You can't do this if you do
not have the resources to do it. So just imagine,
just imagine when we have this, when we pack this

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room out a live studio audience to do a conversation here, y'all,
that takes money. Renting these chairs cost money. And so
that's what I want you to understand. So I purposely
show y'all what we do here so you understand there's
a cost associated with everything that we do. We're trying

(02:14:18):
to give you something that black on media has never done.
We're trying to give you something that b T is
not giving you right now. TV one is not giving
you right now. Not one black network.

Speaker 2 (02:14:29):
Is giving you right now. And that is a high
quality black.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
News show where black people are centered every single day.
So to support us via cashap use a stripe QR code.
You see it right here in the left hand corner. Again,
you can support us with cash app. So the multiple
ways you can support our show the striped QR code
bottom left hand corner.

Speaker 2 (02:14:50):
Use that QR code you have.

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
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Android TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Xbox one, Semsum Smart TV.
If you want to get my book White Fear, How
the Browning of Americas Making White Folks Lose their minds,
get it bookstores online. Also get the audio version I
read on Audible. You don't want to miss that as well.
If you want to get our roller Bark Unfiltered Blackstar
Network swag, go to shop Blackstar Network dot com. All

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of our new shirts you see them on the website,
including the one that I have here FAFO Project twenty
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Speaker 2 (02:15:42):
Get that on the Get that on the website as well.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
Also, you see all those items on my news desk,
those are black owned products. Those backpacks and those spices
and desserts and candles and shirts over the head, wraps
for fitness, all of that, all of those things you see.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
Go to shop Blackstar Network dot com. You will see
all of those.

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
Those are black owned companies that are on Shop Blackstar
Network dot com.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
So please support them as.

Speaker 1 (02:16:10):
Well, because we have to build black owned businesses which
build capacity, which builds wealth. And so go to shop
Blackstar Network dot com. Shop Blackstart Network dot com. And
don't forget, I need everybody to download the app Fanbase
of course social media app you can do. What's what
you do with Instagram, what you do with Twitter, all
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
Is they're on fan based.

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
If you want to invest in Fanbase, they are very
close to ending the Series A rais. They've raised thirteen
point one million dollars. The goals to raise seventeen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
So if you want to.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
Invest, because we have to own where we are, so
go to start engine dot com Ford slash fan based folks.

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
That's it. That's it. I'll see you tomorrow right here.

Speaker 1 (02:16:49):
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