TX Dems Break Quorum, Abbott Threats; AL Map Violates VRA; DOJ Probes Letitia James

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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hey Funk. Today is Friday, August eight, twenty twenty five,
coming up with Rolling marked Ont streaming live with the
Blackstart Network from Cleveland, where I'm continuing the fiftieth anniversary
Convention the National Association of Black Journalists. Will have the
election results. Who is our new resident, who is our
new Vice president? Digital? Well yours true? We'll show you
what Aaron Haynes had to say in her speech as

(01:09):
president elect up in abj in Texas, Governor Greg Abbott
is trying to pit blacks and Hispanics against each other
and they continue to fail as Democrats hold out keeping
the House for having a quorum to vote on the
racist jerry mandaret maps. So we will be talking about
to the chair, to the vice chair of the Registrict

(01:30):
Select Committee about this process. White Republicans in Alabama, they
won't give up. A federal court still rules against them
well in the creation of a second black district in Alabama.
Plus the Department of Justice Trump Department Justice. They are
targeting New York Attorney General Letitia James as well as
Senator Adam Shiff claiming mortgage fraud. We see what that's

(01:52):
all about. Lots to breakdown Plus, I got something to
say about Auburn and coach Bruce Pearl with his racist
comments about Resident Barack Obama. If you are a black parent,
there's no way in hell you should send your kid
to play basketball at Auburn University. Folks, is time to
bring the punk. I'm rolling, bark on a culture, the
Black sid network. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
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Speaker 3 (02:19):
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Speaker 2 (02:21):
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Speaker 3 (02:33):
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Speaker 2 (02:36):
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Speaker 4 (02:51):
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Speaker 5 (02:51):
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Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well. Republicans in Texas still a matters hell that House
Democrats are holding out preventing them from passing these racist
Jerry magret maps, the Speaker of the House of Texas,
claims that he now says that if they that the
Democrats that they want to pick up their seven hundred
and fifty dollars a monthly paycheck no more direct depositive,
they must do it in person. Really, is that what

(03:33):
we're now doing, they're still wanting and complaining. And so
check out the new move by Texas Governor Greg Abbott.
He now wants to say, oh no, these aren't racist
maps because they're going to be helping Latinos get elected
in Texas. Play it.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
So most people know that at the beginning of a decade,
all states go through the registioning process based upon what
the new census shows. Since that regitioning process took place,
two things have changed. One is the law, the other
is the facts. The legal change is actually catalyzed by
the Democrats. Democrats followed a lawsuit in twenty twenty two

(04:11):
that was decided last year where courts decided that Texas
is no longer required.

Speaker 7 (04:17):
To have what are called coalition districts.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
And as a result, we're able to take the people
who were in those coalition districts and make sure they're
going to be in districts that really represent the voting
preference of.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Those people who live here in Texas.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
And then the fact that's changed.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
We saw on the aftermath of the Trump election that
an overwhelming number of Hispanics and Blacks as well as others,
chose to vote for Trump. Four of the five districts
that we're going to create are predominantly Hispanic districts. They're
going to happen to be voting for Republican as opposed
to Democrats. Democrats think they have an ownership right to

(04:56):
voters who are Spanic or Black. They're now learning the
hard way those voters are supporting Republicans.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Boy, he's lying. John Rosenthal, he is the Texas House
Representia's vice chair of the Redistricting Select Committee. He joins
us right now from Illinois with the other House dims. So, John,
glad to have you on a show. First of all,
I'm sorry I'm late. Of course, I had an election
here with the National Association of Black Journalists, so I
kind of had to say a few words there. So

(05:28):
that's why I'm a bit late. So I'm gonna start
with you. I got a couple of guests, but i'm
gonna start with you John. First. John, here's why I'm offended.
And the last two census. The last two census, when
you look at the population increase in Texas, it was
Latino and black. What Republicans did was they created more

(05:49):
Republican districts and they worked for Hispanics. Now all of
a sudden, they want to take out two black members
and say, oh no, this is not these are not
racist maps because we're creating seats for Latinos. Does Abbott
really think we're that stupid?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
John?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Can he hear me? Y'all? Can guys talk to me?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Hey, I can take that one if you'd like.

Speaker 8 (06:29):
Roland, Okay, go ahead. So Hey, I'm Draafai Lenci. I'm
the past chair of the Mexican American Legislative Caucus. It's
good to be with you and an SMU Mustang.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I know you're an aggie.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
I wanted to I just wanted to underscore what you said.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
Look, ninety five percent of all the population growth during
the last census in Texas was driven by people of color.
Fifty percent of that growth was from Latinos. So he says,
the facts on the ground has changed, have changed, They
in fact have not since.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
The beginning of the decade.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
When they first did redistricting, Latinos had accounted for fifty
percent of all the growth in the state, and African
Americans for about twenty five percent or almost thirty percent, and.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Then Asians for the remainder.

Speaker 8 (07:14):
So those facts are the only facts that matter when
you're talking about the census and you're talking about redistricting.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
It doesn't matter how people are voting.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
That also is a falsehood, and you're correct about that,
because a majority of Latinos in Texas still voted for Democrats,
not Republicans.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
He said it was overwhelming. That's not true.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
Trump did not get over fifty percent of the Latino
vote in the state of Texas. That's also a lie.
And finally, what he's saying is that, hey, Latinos are
going to get elected in these districts. We did a
study at the Mexican American Legislative Caucus, Okay, and if
you had actual districts that were reflective of Texas's diverse population,

(07:58):
you'd have about fifteen seats that were a majority Hispanic,
where Latinos would elected candidates of their choice.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
You'd have five seats where African Americans.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
Would be able to elect the candidate of their choice,
or about thirteen percent, and you'd have two seats where
Asians would be able to elect the candidate of their choice,
and fifteen out of the thirty eight would be determined
by Anglos. Doesn't matter, Republican and Democrat does not matter
when you're talking about apportionment, because.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
What is protected is not the party but the voter.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
However, under the racially engineered districts proposed by the Republicans,
twenty six seats almost double that number would be determined
by Anglo voters, about half that about half the seats.
Half of that fifteen seats or eight would be determined
by Latino voters.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Only two seats would be determined by African Americans, a
zero by Asians.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
So it's just a lie, really that we're pitying Latinos
and African Americans.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
It's not true.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Latinos and African Americans are here. We're here during the
quorum break, fighting together. The Latino Caucus, the Black Caucus.
We are together, right because we see through that rhetoric
and when you actually put pen to paper and look
at the numbers, our racial are The voting strength of
Latinos and African Americans is being diminished, including a historic

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African American districts. They're trying to take out Al Green,
They're trying to take out mark VC districts that have
historically either been coalitions of African Americans and Latinos voting
together which were created by courts, by the way, or
traditional African American districts.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
One last point about this, Why are they doing this?
Why do they want? You know, Donald Trump called Greg
Abbott and said, hey, get me five districts. I don't
care how you do it. If you need to run
over Latinos and African Americans do it.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
And Greg Abbott said, I I com commandante, right, And uh,
why are they doing that? It's because they don't want
to release the Epstein files, because they don't want accountability,
because they don't want Hakeem Jeffries to be Speaker of
the House with a gavel and subpoena power to expose
the corruption and crimes and incompetence of the Trump administration.

(10:21):
That's why they want to do this, and they want
to do it on the backs of Latinos and African Americans.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Representive rosell Tal can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (10:33):
John?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Can you can you hear can? I can't hear him, Mike, John,
I can't hear Roland.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I can't hear anything.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Okay, So so so the control Romain, you try to
get that fixed to figure out why John can't hear me?
So if y'all could work on that. I'm going to
rep as representative an of the question. And so this
is so this is the other thing that I think
what I think people are stupid. You don't change the
map because of how folks voted in the presidential race.

(11:04):
These are congressional races. They are district that are seven
hundred and eight hundred thousand people the result of presidential election.
That means nothing when you talk about how you draw maps.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Look, and I'll take you one step further. Roland in
twenty twenty one when they did redistricting, they were like, oh,
we did it race blind, even though they reduced even
then not the you know, an African American voting strength.
And there's a pending lawsuit right and again, parties are
not protected here.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
It is voters that are protected here.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
So everything that Abbott was talking about with Demo Country
Republican doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
When bit so we file the lawsuit. That lawsuit is pending.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Now they want to pretend that the law has somehow changed,
and then in mid decade they want to they want to.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Do this redistricting.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
We've reached out to blue state governors and we said, hey,
this is anti Democrats. I mean, this is really really
bad stuff. We sounded the alarm nationally, and thankfully people
like JB. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom, Kathy Hochle and others
have said, hey, if Texas does it, we're going to
do it.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
What did that do?

Speaker 7 (12:14):
It caused bluestate Republicans.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
To say, what whoa, Well, this is a bad idea.
I'm about to get redistricted out of my seat. This
is a really really bad idea. And they filed a
bill at the federal level saying that we shouldn't have
mid decade redistricting because they're all going to be wiped out.
That's the big problem here, and it's a race to
the bottom and ultimately the people who are going to
suffer are African American and Latino voters in Texas.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, and again they're trying. What they're doing is it's
a new one every day. Oh it's Oh no, we
were doing this because the DOJ sent us a letter
saying that the districts are unconstitutional. Oh no, no, no,
we're doing that now because of the pograph. Oh no, no, no,
Now we're creating this is for Hispanics. They are they're
constantly searching for another rationale for what they're doing. And

(13:08):
this is what we know the tech Trump and the
Republican Party of Texas, Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick, they
do not give a damn about black voters. They do
not give a damn about Latino voters. They only care
about MAGA voters. And that's not how this process is
supposed to be. So I have consistently said over and

(13:28):
over and over again, Democrats, damn being fair, damn being nice.
Where you have advantage, you've got a maximize it. Now
Abbott is saying, oh no, because the Democrats are holding out,
We're going to redraw eight districts. So we see what
they're all about.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
The doubling down by Greg Abbott is really interesting. The
Attorney General and Greg Abbott when when he signed the
redstricting bill said, hey, everything's fine, this is this is
great that we don't we're done with redistricting. But the
minute Donald Trump called and asked for the five districts,
you know he was going to get them for Donald
Trump comme l or Eyewater and the big contrast, by

(14:12):
the way, you know, and I'm not I don't think
it's it's fair to the governor of Georgia. But when
Donald Trump called the governor of Georgia and said, find
me eleven thousand votes to overturn the election.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Right said no, He said no. But when he calls.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Greg Abbott, when Trump calls Greg Abbott and asked for
five seats to read the election on the backs of
Latinos and African Americans, he says right away, right away now,
because he's, uh, he really admires autocrats.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
He's threatening to remove us from our seats for doing this.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
And I was on I was on a Spanish language
TV station, and I said, you know, yeah, it's it's
commonplace for members of the executive to remove members of legislative.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
That happens all the time.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
But it happens in Venezuela and Cuba and not in America,
right because we have separation of powers and our institutions
hopefully still work. And so what he's trying, he's trying
to eliminate African American legislators and declare their seats vacant.
Latino members, Asian members members of the Senate told our

(15:23):
Democratic leader, who is who is of Chinese descent, to
go back to China, just recently. So let's not pretend
that this is about anything than what we know it's about.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, yeah, that's exactly what it is. So listen,
it's the long haul. I really really hope the fifty
one House Democrats stand firm, and I keep telling people, listen,
you'all are going to have to literally hold out for
anywhere from four to six months because they could always

(15:56):
try to change the primary date. They can do all
sorts of different things because they want to cheat. They
need to cheat to win. We see what the numbers
are looking at the impacts of these tears. We see
how prices are going up. They are scared to death.
They're thirty five vulnerable House Republicans. They are scared to

(16:17):
death if they're going to lose anywhere from ten to
twenty House seats next year, and so they are trying
to rig the map to guarantee the hold onto power.
It's as simple as that. That's what Donald Trump and
the Republicans are trying.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
To do now, Roland.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
You know, we're a citizen legislature and we have jobs
and families back home. We set some pretty clear goals
when we started this Core and Break. The first one
was that we were going to try, and it was
going to be very hard because of the frenetic Trump
media cycle to capture the American imagination on redistricting. We
wanted people to be talking about redactricting in barbershops, on

(16:57):
street corners, and on shows just like this, like you're
doing to try to raise consciousness.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
I think we've done that.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
I'm really pleasantly surprised because this little band of Texas
state representatives.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Was able to help elevate the conversation.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
The second thing we wanted to do is work with
blue state governors to get them ready, because if we
had just let them run over us on the House floor,
this would have been a two day media cycle and
it would have been and it would have been over
like nobody would have paid attention to Texas. It would
be like Texas Democrats lose, Okay. So that's why we

(17:34):
couldn't let that happen. We wanted to make sure that
we were protecting our African American and Latino constituents by
working with blue state governors to show some pushback. Right,
that's super important. It was super important us. And finally
we said we were going to run out the clock
on this special session. Now the governor's right, he can
call special session after special session after special session. So

(17:56):
our goal was to give the Blue states some time
to catch up to activate their plans for redistricting. But
at some point we're going to have to go back
and fight this on the House floor, and we're gonna
have to fight it in the courts, especially since there's
some clear violations of Section two of.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
The Voting Rights Act. And that's that's kind of our strategy.

Speaker 8 (18:20):
So if we can tick the box and say national conversation,
blue state strategy to counteract the five from Texas. And
we understand that we have a delegation in California today
meeting with Governor Newsom. They're ready to roll, and we
run out the clock on this special session, we will
have succeeded.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
And the rest is up to Blue state.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
Governors that have the trifecta of the House, the Senate,
and the governorship to really counteract this stuff. The last
thing I want to mention because and I was having
a conversation with one of my colleagues and the full,
the full force of Texas state government and the federal

(19:04):
government now including the FBI, has been thrown against us.
They're trying to find us, remove us from our seats,
and arrest us, and that may happen. What I told
my colleagues is it is usually the people getting arrested
that are on the right side of history, right, and
we have been able to see that throughout America's history

(19:28):
on civil rights, on voting rights, and we really do
feel we're on the right side of history here and
hope to be that fight that Democrats have been lacking
for the last two years. And it's high time that
everybody take responsibility for preserving this democracy.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Absolutely represented, Auntio. We still appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
I hate we could get represented Rosenthal's audio, but we'll
try to get him back on the show on Monday
or Tuesday next week. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
Thank you, Control room. If y'all telling me California Governor
Gavin Newsom is live, let's go live his news conference.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
Well, let me thank everybody for taking the time to
be here, and may welcome all of you to Governor
Ronald Reagan's home. I'm reminded of Governor Reagan's last speech
in the Oval office, where he talked about the life
force of New Americans. He talked about Lady Liberty's torch,
and here we are fast forward decades later, appropriately with

(20:38):
a portrait of Ronald Reagan looking down on the President
of the United States of America, Donald Trump, who's trying
to light a torch on democracy.

Speaker 11 (20:49):
Let's try to roll back the last half century.

Speaker 10 (20:52):
He wants to put America in reverse on LGBT rights,
I voting rights, civil rights, on the rights of women
and girls. We're here in that light, at this profound
and consequential moment, and we're here with six courageous leaders
that they've been described from the Texas delegation. It is
my privilege to have had now two delegations visit from Texas,

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and it's my honor to welcome all of you and
to thank you for your courage, thank you for faith
and devotion to the cause that unites all of us
across this country, regardless of party, and that are the
enduring principles of our founding fathers. You know, we talked
about the two hundred and forty ninth anniversary of those principles.
Next year we'll celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

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of those enduring principles. The best of the Roman Republican
Greek democracy, the system of coequal branches, co equal branches
of government, notion of a system of checks and balance,
is popular sovereignty, all of that on the line, all
of that at risk.

Speaker 11 (21:55):
And so I'm very sober and mindful.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
Of this moment, and as a consequence, we have taken
our relationship to this moment very very seriously. Had it
not been for the courage of the Democratic representatives from
Texas to stand tall and to stand up, to walk out,
as is their right, as old a principle as American pie,

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the ability for a minority to walk out when it
comes to the abuses of a majority, and they did
just that to elevate not just their voices as representatives,
but to elevate our voices to call out the consequential
nature of what's happening. What's happening in the United States

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of America is not normal. We cannot allow this to
be considered normal. Please don't say it's surprising. When you
say something is no longer surprising, you normalize it.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
This is shocking. What's happened.

Speaker 10 (22:58):
You heard Representative Johnson say it very powerfully and very clearly,
And what more evidence did you need? You saw this
take shape after Donald Trump tried to direct the democracy
after January sixth, where he dialed for twelve thousand votes
in Georgia. By your courageous leadership, regardless of party that
stood up against that tyranny.

Speaker 11 (23:21):
Now he's dialing up for seats.

Speaker 10 (23:24):
He called Greg Abbott, who doesn't have the courage, doesn't
have the backbone, doesn't have the consciousness of the consequences
of his action. And he has rolled over and he said, yes, sir,
and and they're trying to dial now for new seats
for precisely the reason that Speaker Pelosi and others have represented.

Speaker 11 (23:46):
They will lose in the midterms. He knows it.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
Why else would he make that phone call. His agenda's failing,
This presidency is failing. He knows the headwinds in a
mid term. He's dialing for seats.

Speaker 11 (24:00):
Not only did he dial for.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
Five seats in Texas, he just sent his vice president,
the vice president of the United States, not to console
those one hundred and thirty seven families whose lives were
torn asunder because they lost loved ones to the floods.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
By the way, three members of.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
My community in Marine County, Mark and Sarah and Johnny.
Johnny Walker fourteen years old died in the flood, Mark
fifty years old, Sarah same age.

Speaker 11 (24:31):
Family friends. We were at their memorial yesterday.

Speaker 10 (24:35):
Vice President come to console the family members of the
lies lost.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
He went to Indiana continued to try to rig the election.
You have a special election in Texas.

Speaker 10 (24:49):
You think that's all they'd be focused on thirty seven
kids dying in those floods, But they're focused on this.
They power grab and it's not limited to Texas and Indiana.
You see what's happening in Florida. You see what's happening
in Ohio and other states. So we have got to
step up. Our state of mind is about accountability, responsibility again,

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taking this moment seriously, what is our relationship to this moment?
And we recognize we have agency, we're not by standards
that we can shape the future, decisions not conditions, and
so we choose to be held to a higher level
of accountability. It wasn't our decision to be here, it's
reaction to we are trying to defend democracy as opposed

(25:32):
to see it destroyed district by district, and we will
stand firm and we will stand tall, and perhaps the
expression today is the expression of unity. That's what we're
trying to communicate. You have congressional representatives here, the leader

(25:53):
of our congressional delegation. They are unanimous in their support
and moving in this direction of the Speaker and the
pro tem and they strong support of their caucuses and
leaders of critical committees and caucus are here to express support.
We are moving forward. Make no mistake, California is moving
forward as a state that's larger than twenty one state

(26:15):
populations combined.

Speaker 11 (26:17):
We are not a.

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Small, isolated state state larger than twenty one populations combined.
We tried to play by a higher set of standards
and rules with our independent Redistrict team, and we believe
in that. And we are not talking about eliminating that commission.
We are talking about emergency measures to respond to what's

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happening in Texas, and we will nullify what happens in Texas.

Speaker 11 (26:42):
We will pick up five seats with the consent of
the people.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
And that's the difference between the approach we're taking and
the approach they're taking. We're doing it a temporary basis,
We're doing it in a fully transparent way, and we're
doing it by asking the people of the state of
California for their consent and support. Mark that stark contrast
to what's happening in Texas and other states. We are

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resolved and we are aligned in this strategy, and I'm
deeply enclosing grateful for the leadership that's assembled here today
in unprecedented time, required an unprecedented approach, an unprecedented leadership
to build the kind of consensus that we believe we
have we have till August twenty second. With the leadership

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behind me, they will get this on the ballot. We're
calling for a special election that will be the first
week of November. It will coincide with many other municipal elections.
We will raise an unprecedented amount of attention and we
will garner an unprecedented amount of support because people understand

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what's at stake. Final words, because I want to reinforce
what the speaker and the ProTem said. You have people
disappearing in the state of California, quite literally disappearing warrantless sears,
people literally being taken from the streets.

Speaker 11 (28:07):
I don't think this, I know it.

Speaker 10 (28:10):
Sixteen year old kid whose mom and dad working twenty
years at the same packing facility.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
Sixteen year old didn't even know gow.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
To get back into his own home because mom and
dad disappeared going to work. Young child had no brothers
and sisters. That's Trump's America. That's happening as we speak.
The Guard has been federalized. And by the way, Donald
Trump is continuing to federalize the Nation Guard through the
election pause.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
And consider what that may mean.

Speaker 10 (28:37):
There is nothing normal about this, nothing normal about this
conditioning aid. Let me make this clear in front of
the Texas delegation, I am proud and thank you to
Isaac Bryant eighty three point one billion dollars more we
provided the federal government and federal taxes than we received
Texas for whatever reason, for its success and how Texas

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does punch above it weight received seventy one point one
billion dollars more from the federal government they received. But
I'll tell you what, as a taxpayer, as governor of California,
I am proud to stand tall to help them recover
from these floods.

Speaker 11 (29:15):
No conditions, no politics, We're all in.

Speaker 10 (29:19):
This guy was proud to send search and rescue teams
to support the recovery of those floods. That's my responsibility.
That's what it's like to be member of a community.
We're all in this together. The idea that we're even
conditioning AID and allowing that conversation to persist, that's what's
at stake.

Speaker 11 (29:40):
With this conversation. It's not about lines.

Speaker 10 (29:42):
It's about drawing a line, and it's all about elevating
a deeper consciousness of the line that Donald Trump continues
to cross. It's not about him playing by a different
set of rules. There are no rules for Donald Trump.
This is serious moment in American history, and so we

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are here to meet this moment head on, and.

Speaker 11 (30:06):
We look forward to a successful campaign and we look forward.

Speaker 10 (30:10):
To continue to do what we can to have the
backs of these courageous leaders who are back here in
the state of California, sharing their voice as we share
their action and passion at peril that this democracy may not.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Live with that.

Speaker 11 (30:26):
We're here to answer any questions.

Speaker 12 (30:31):
Not wanting to settle Trump administration, Are you taking any
actions to fight.

Speaker 11 (30:36):
Yeah, will sue.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
I mean, this is a separate topic, but it's not
necessarily disconnected from this topic. Donald Trump today is trying
to silence academic freedom. He's attacking one of the most
important public institutions in the United States of America, one
of the finest institutions fire learning in the world, one
of the great research institutions in this country. One of

(30:58):
the reasons California is that tenth poll of the US economy,
one of the reasons we have more scientists, engineers, more
Nobel laureates than any other state.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
In this nation.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
He has threatened us through extortion with a billion dollar
fine unless we do his bidding. So as long as
I'm governor, I will stand tall and push back against that.

Speaker 11 (31:18):
And I believe every.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Member, folks, that was California Governor Gavenus. I'm standing with
six members of the Texas House. Now understand what this
battle has meant. Now it also is in Alabama, where
a federal court is ruled the Alabama's congressional map actually
violates the Voting Rights Act by not giving black voters
a fair shout to elect candidates of their choice. The

(31:40):
judges said the state's new map ignored they ignored court orders,
and still lacked a required second black majority district, which
the legislature actually admitted. Now Alabama must use a map
that's been drawn by two by an independent expert for
the rest of the decade that will ensure two districts

(32:00):
where black voters have real influence. The decisions follows an
appeal by state officials to the Supreme Court, but for now,
the new map stands reshaping Alabama's political landscape. Joining us
right now to talk about this decision. And again, this
ties directly what's happening in Texas. Is Kadeida Stone a

(32:21):
plaintiff in the Allen versus Milligan case.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's what this is.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
This is based off of in Canada. Listen, these white Republicans,
they don't want to see black folks represented in Alabama.
They fought there were same white Republicans fought the second
district in Louisiana. These are the same white Republicans who
are fighting in Texas. I'm not going to dance around this.
This is white conservative Republicans wanting to deny political opportunities

(32:51):
to black people.

Speaker 10 (32:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (32:53):
Absolutely, First, I just want to say thank you so
much for having me on. I do agree with you.
This is a former white supremacy and it's best.

Speaker 14 (33:01):
There's really no reason when the data shows that there's
enough black people to draw a distort, why not give
it to them.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
So it was a.

Speaker 14 (33:10):
Victory in a way because the court did agree with
us and say that this map that is going to
be put forth has to be put forth until twenty thirty.
But we're gonna see because in good old Alabama fashion,
they appealed again. And so this is our fifth time
constantly going back and forth to court, even with the
Supreme Court ruling in our favor the very first time,
as well as the lower courts. But it is definitely

(33:32):
a disservice to black Alabemians.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, and I just need people to understand that this
is say people want to dance around this, Oh well,
I don't want to call it white supremacy. I don't
want to call it white nationalism. I don't want to
call it any of that. But that's what it is.
They do not care about black people. They do not care.
They want to subjugate black people to white conservative or

(33:59):
public can rule for forever in Alabama. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (34:04):
Absolutely, I totally agree.

Speaker 14 (34:06):
And you brought up Texas, and I in my heart
is with folks, the lawemakers in Texas. But I truly
do believe that they are doing what they're supposed to
do with their constituents, you know, elected them to do,
which is to protect, protect them, fight for them, be
a voice for them. And by the looks of it,
I can see that Texans showed up all across the
state with.

Speaker 13 (34:26):
Those redistricting hearings. But the root of it is white supremacy.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Like you said, and see what and un listen, although
this federal court has rule this, what do we have
happening right now? The Republicans, these white Republicans, lost the
case of Louisia that witness Supreme Court. Now they're trying
to go back to the Supreme Court. They're going to
hear their arguments again because now they want to actually
try to attack racial districts that could wipe out anywhere

(34:55):
from twenty five to thirty members of the Congression of
Black Caucus.

Speaker 13 (35:00):
Absolutely absolutely, it's very disheartening. We are in a very
unique time in.

Speaker 14 (35:06):
History, and I do believe that it is time for
people to wake up and pay attention and organizing their communities,
talk to each other about how these systems work. Because
as we all know, these systems were not created for us.
But we do have a role to play by showing
up and making our voices heard and organizing around the
things that we want to change.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I have been saying this, and you talk about waking up.
I have been saying to black people, I don't know
how to hell anybody black and sit out any election.
We see what these people are doing. They're not playing games.
They want to cement white power for the next fifty
to one hundred years. What do you say to black
folks who continually play games and say, oh, Roland, you're

(35:48):
trying to scare us. It's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's not going to be that bad.

Speaker 11 (35:55):
You know.

Speaker 13 (35:56):
What do I say to them? They need to read
a book. They need to pick up a book and read.
They need to know their history because history is literally
repeating itself.

Speaker 14 (36:07):
I would say that that is all that they can do,
really is educate themselves on these issues and go to
a museum in your area. If there's a museum that's
telling you the history. If you don't like to read, okay,
go to a museum and look at an exhibit. But
we're just not in a time to be complicit, you know,
and being silent and choosing to not you know, put
yourself in this or choosing to not educate yourself is

(36:29):
complicency at its finest, and you are choosing for this,
you know, for this to be the reality when you
know it doesn't.

Speaker 11 (36:36):
Have to be.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yep. Indeed, indeed that we suly appreciate it. Thanks for
joining us on the show.

Speaker 13 (36:43):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
All Right, we're going to keep, of course pushing this issue.
Let me go to my panel right now and want
to bring them into this because again, folks, we have
to face the fierce urgency of now to understand exactly
what's going on, because look, these are not games to
be played because they are playing for keeps. Michael Motel
hosts African History Network Show out Detroit. Matt Maddins, cibwrt's

(37:08):
attorney out of Corpus, Christian Raven and Schwan Curtis, content
creator and keynote speaker out of Chicago. Matt, I want
to start with you. You're there in Corporus, Christian. Uh, Listen,
they're trying to play, but they're trying to play these
cute little games. Matt wanting to pit Latinos against African Americans. Listen, folks,
don't fall for the Oki doe. These white Republicans don't
give a damn. They have been screwing over Latino voters

(37:30):
and now they're trying to play the opportunities game. Nah,
don't fall for the okie do.

Speaker 15 (37:35):
Yeah, And we know that Texas demographics don't support that.
We know that the majority of Texans probably don't even
want Republicans. I mean, I think they're looking at the
changes that may have occurred in the valley in the
last elections as it relates to Republicans.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Winning a lot.

Speaker 15 (37:49):
But I don't believe that the data that Abbott is
saying is supporting the way they're redrawing these maps is
really supported.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
And you heard that from rep Antia.

Speaker 15 (37:59):
And one thing I really wanted to say is on
this show, I often talk about political pageantry, but Gavin
Newsom just had one of the best presidential stump speeches
I've seen in a while in his audition for president.
And I think a lot of that is the undercurrent
of this, not only Gavin Newsom but also Greg Abbott.
They're both angling for sixteen hundred Pennsylvania in the next election,

(38:19):
and I think some of this is an outcropping of that.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
But I think that was very smart. The way he
not only you know, promoted those.

Speaker 15 (38:26):
Texas Democrats who have done their job in my opinion,
and broken with the quorum, but took that opportunity to
really not only align himself with the second largest state,
being in the largest state in the country, but to
call out Donald Trump directly and to take that tension
and say we're.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Calling you out.

Speaker 15 (38:42):
I think that's very smart to do that, and I
think you've spoken about the you know, the benefit of
doing that kind of thing when you go to Mike
Johnson's district, for instance. I think that's very smart the
way they're playing that. But I think the bigger thing
about all of this is Texans don't want this. And
one more point to that. Look at John Cornyn. He's
scared he's going to lose to Ken Paxton, Right, So
that's why John Cornyn is calling for the FBI to

(39:04):
find Texas Democrats somewhere else in the country and bring
them back. It's all political, political pageantry, and it's all
to do Donald Trump's bidding, and it's all to retain
their power here in Texas, even though the demographics don't
support it and the people.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Don't want it.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Absolutely in Raven they're pissed off that Democrats are there
in York state of Illinois saying, oh, that's one of
the most jerry manders states. And here's the whole deal, Republicans,
you jerry mander, So you're mad at Democrats of Jerry
manderin and what Gavin Newsom is doing, what Pritzker Governor J. B.
Pritzker Illinois has been saying. And then of course you
may see the Virginia in Maryland, in New York State,

(39:42):
it's like, yo, we're not going to sit here and
handcuff ourselves while you bash us over the head with
a bat. We're gonna grab a bat ourselves and bash
you over the head. And jered mander the hell out
of our states. If you want to play fair, let's
play fair. And let's remember Raven when they could bill
came up in congresge to make it illegal, to have
to make it legal day of Jared Manning. Across the country,

(40:05):
every Republican voted against all Democrats voted for the Democrats
saying let's get rid of get rid of Jared Mandry.
Not one Republican voted for that. Bal That tells you
exactly where they stand. And everything they say right now
is horseshit.

Speaker 16 (40:23):
Yeah, Roland, I mean, I think you're really spot on
and kind of as Gavin Newsom was speaking, I thought
it was really interesting that he mentioned the terminology of
temporary jerry mandering, and I think that underlines the point
that you're making that in so many ways, when Democrats
jerry mander, it's in response to the abuse of power
being proliferated by Republicans.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
I also don't think all jerry mandering is made the same.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Right.

Speaker 16 (40:44):
When Republicans jerry mander, it's to further sideline historically disenfranchised communities.
When Democrats jerry mander, it's to give voice to historically
disenfranchised communities. So these types of jerry mandering are absolutely
not made the same. I also really really like what
he's said about it being as an American as apple
pie for a minority to stand up in protests right

(41:05):
against the majority that is very blatantly abusing their positionality
and their stance, you know, in a congressional sort of standing.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
And I think this is really important to name. You know,
this has been a huge.

Speaker 16 (41:17):
Inflection point of watching Texas Democrats give that nouck. If
you butck energy, like I'm so here for, and especially
as a young person involved in politics, what I'm hearing
from my peers over and over again is that folks
are hungry for that right. Just don't just lay down
and take it, like, let's let's fight back.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Show me that energy.

Speaker 16 (41:34):
And I think it's really incredible that that's what we're
seeing from our electives right now. I spent a big
portion of my childhood in Houston, Texas. Texas is the
first place that I've voted in in twenty sixteen when
I was eligible to vote, and it's dope to be
in Illinois now and to be seeing my governor really
stand ten toes down, you know, in line with these
Texas Democrats.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Super important.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, indeed, indeed, folks hotype. I want to go to
to Michael here. Michael again, I don't think people understand
how serious this is. We were signaling that when it
came the PREDIT twenty twenty five. We know what their
game plan is. Republicans are scared to death. We are
seeing prices going up. Donald Trump is freaking out. We

(42:15):
saw he was lying the other day in the Oval
office with these fake job numbers because they know they're
gonna get their asses kicked when you keep getting bad
news for the for the next twelve months. And so
they're trying to get ahead of this. And Democrats must
be constantly on the attack every single day.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Absolutely have to be on the attack every single day.

Speaker 17 (42:40):
But as Governor Greg Abbott increases the pressure, and as
State Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton increased the pressure,
we saw today that the Speaker of the House of
Dustin Bureaus Burroughs in Texas in the addition to announcing

(43:01):
that they were going to UH that the the House
members have to show up to pick up their seven
hundred and fifty dollars UH stipen check, but also they
were going to take away thirty percent of the monthly
budget of each member's office as well, which impacts their staff.
So Democrats are going to have to fight back economically also, Okay,

(43:24):
and it's going to because the pressure is increasing on Democrats,
but the pressure is not increasing on Republicans.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
They're in Texas.

Speaker 17 (43:31):
So I think what's gonna what they're gonna have to
look at doing is also having targeted sustained strategic economic
withdrawal strategies of certain corporations they helped finance these Republicans
in the Texas State legislature. Okay uh, and then have
nationwide economic nationwide economic boycotts targeting those corporations to put

(43:55):
to push back and put pressure on those Republicans also.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
But this is predicted and Roland.

Speaker 17 (44:02):
This is the same week as the sixtieth sixtieth anniversary
of the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five August sixth,
nineteen sixty five. And you talk about the map in Alabama.
We know Alabama was ground zero for the nineteen sixty
five Voting Rights Act. And people have to connect the
dots because, yes, we talked about Project twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
This is a power graph, a white nationalist power graph
that's taking place.

Speaker 17 (44:26):
But the reason why you needed the nineteen sixty five
Voting Rights Act is because of what happened in Mississippi
in eighteen ninety the Mississippi State Convention where they rewrote
the state constitution to impose poll taxes, literacy tests, but
also a lifetime felony disenfranchisement law. So if you got
convicted of a felony, you lost your right to vote
for life. That felinity disenfranchisement law is still law in

(44:50):
Mississippi to this day in twenty twenty five. That went
to effect in eighteen ninety. All of that was specifically
targeting African American men who were voting. So we have
to connect that history to what's going on today. It
was white nationalists and white supremacy in eighteen ninety. It's
the same thing right now. We have to continue to
fight back. But fight two men.

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The only way I can do what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I need to make your money.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
So you'll see me working with Roland.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Matter of fact, it's to Roland Martin as sharlandon Show.

Speaker 27 (48:54):
What's sure to be the show? My full show at
rolandmand Show. Well, whatever show is gonna be, it's gonna
be good.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Well, we know this administration is all about grievances and
going after their enemies. That's exactly what they're doing. Trump's
Department of Justice, it is time to go after now.
Attorney General Letitia James. She was the one of the
courts who took trump punk ass to court and actually
beat him because she exposed his lying and fraudulent ways.
As hit of the of the of the Trump companies.

(49:30):
Now they also uh so, so they they've opened this investigation,
the legend that a criminal investigation, legend that she committed
mortgage fraud. They also are attacking California consider Adam's ship.
The grand jury investigation was convenient already New York. They're
examining what James had to say, uh in terms of

(49:52):
in terms of her mortgage there as well that the
dj has declined to comment on the subpoenas and the
grandeur investigation.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Matt, we know what this is.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Donald Trump is mad he got his ass killed Leticia James,
and so now he's targeting her. That's what we're dealing with.

Speaker 15 (50:09):
It's all we're dealing with. They're going to try to
try to do the same thing they did to Maryland Moseby.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
That's it.

Speaker 15 (50:14):
And if I remember correctly when I read it, they
were saying that they have convened the grand jury in
the Eastern District of Virginia. So I'm not sure if
there's a second property she owns or something somebody scouring
her records to try to make something out of nothing,
But I think the larger story here is exactly what
you alluded to. You know, this should be terrifying to
people that the Department of Justice, which is historically an

(50:37):
independent agency from the president, is just doing.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
The president's bidding.

Speaker 15 (50:40):
It's no different than a private citizen hiring me and
asking me to advance his or her cause.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Pam Bondi is not supposed to be Donald Trump's lawyer.

Speaker 15 (50:48):
And the idea that Donald Trump is mad that Leticia
James not only beat him bad in court and then
called him out and you know, called a spade a
spade all the times. The fact that he's mad about
that now turning to government resources being used to harass
a duly elected person who's doing a good job there
in New York.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I mean, this is a scary thing. But we know this,
We know that this is his mo.

Speaker 15 (51:10):
None of this is surprising. And hopefully, you know, I
know she's got some great attorneys. They're able to cut
that off at the pass. But I hope she didn't
have to sit through a trial because the scary thing
about this, as people know, is you can indict a
ham Sandwich. It's easy to get a grand jury to
return an indictment. And even if Tis James beats it,
the fact that she's put up against an indictment that

(51:30):
is solely there. Donald Trump is mad that she's standing
up against her is a terrifying notion, but it's part
and parcel with what we're seeing this administration do.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
So it's not surprising and I'm surprised it came this late, and.

Speaker 15 (51:42):
We know he's going to do that with anyone else
he thinks is a political detractor, especially one who's flying
high like Tis James.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Michael. All we hear is that the Republicans Old Biden
weaponized the dj Nobody has weaponized the DOJ and the
federal government like Donald Trump the first time and now
this time. They are gross disrespectful, shameful hypocrites.

Speaker 17 (52:08):
Well, yes, but you're dealing with a criminal enterprise here.
To quote our brother doctor Greg Carr, this is exactly
what it is. This is stuff out of totalitarian dictatorship country.
So you have Donald Trump who's upset about the civil
lawsuit that Tis James fouled against him for.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
When it came to.

Speaker 17 (52:33):
His taxes and stating the values of properties, and that
that that tip, that information actually came from Michael Korn,
when Michael Korn testified in front of Congress before we
went to prison, inflating the values of properties to get loans,
to deflating the values of properties when it comes time
to uh, you know, pay taxes, things of this nature.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
So she she wins that lawsuit.

Speaker 17 (52:56):
Uh Trump owes about five hundred million dollars now now
in that lawsuit. So now they come up with this
type of investigation dealing with a mortgage and uh and
then also claiming that Tis James violated Donald Trump's civil rights.
If this is if this is not the height of calcassidy,

(53:17):
because you got Donald Trump violating black people's civil rights.
You had Donald Trump his second day in office revoked
Affirmative Action executive Forrey eleven two four six, trampling on
black people's civil rights. And then now they want to
claim that Tis James violated his civil rights.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
So this is more of the white grievance coming from
the Trump administration. This was this is what they're doing.

Speaker 17 (53:40):
They refashioned the Civil Rights Department in like in the
Department of Justice, to focus on white grievance things of
this nature.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
And this is something Donald Trump campaigned on. So this
is this is more nonsense.

Speaker 17 (53:52):
So hopefully, uh, Tis James is successful in this hopefully
Adam Shiff is successful.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
But I just got to say this. I don't mean
to be ddy, but I bet h.

Speaker 17 (54:04):
Adam Schiff is maybe regretting jumping out and calling for
Joe Biden to drop out of the race, because remember
Senator Adam Schiff was jumping on MSNBC saying that Joe
Biden should drop out of the race after the bad
debating the poll numbers and things like this.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
He may be regretting that now.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Mm hmm, Folks, before I go to Raven uh tiss James,
she addressed these attacks on her. She says, Donald, ain't
scared of your ass.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
My mission is clear.

Speaker 28 (54:40):
I'm focused, I'm prepared, I'm ready. I've been trained by
the best. I went to Howard University that overturned legal segregation.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
In this country.

Speaker 28 (54:55):
I've been taught in those classrooms with third Good Marshall
once taught I'm not a right of no.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
President Donald Trump, We're ready for you.

Speaker 28 (55:03):
We're coming for you, We're standing up for you, We're
fighting on We're.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Not going down.

Speaker 28 (55:09):
Sailing victory my friends is cleim.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
It's now, and I'm not waiting four years.

Speaker 27 (55:16):
I'm waiting two.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
I tell us speak about the name.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Of Hi King Jeffries comes to bring us some rest.
Come on, ladies, it's up to us.

Speaker 28 (55:26):
We saved this democracy before, we'll save it now.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Raving. The shortened version there, The shortened version of that
is Donald Trump, bring your ass.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
I'm so here for the energy. Yes, I mean, let's
call this what it is.

Speaker 11 (55:47):
Right.

Speaker 16 (55:48):
Trump is mad that I highly qualified, highly accomplish, no
nonsense black woman held him to account for his gross misconduct.
It's really that simple. We've seen he clearly thinks he's
about the law. He thinks that he can be a
king in a country where we don't do kings. You
think that things that he can just be out here
defying Supreme Court order rulings. I'm in attacking his political
opponents like he's above reproach or critique, and she's saying

(56:11):
that's not going to fly, and I'm so here for it.
I really think Trump's response in this situation is like
if misogynore, toxic masculinity, and like white fragility had a baby.
Like that is emblematic of how he's moving in this situation.
And you know what his response also tells me. He
thinks that criminality can't map on to him. And I

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think this is really just reflective of how people think
about criminality within the context of the United States. Criminality
from the top down is seen as a status quote.
Criminality from the bottom up is seen as criminality.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
As opposed to resistance.

Speaker 16 (56:44):
Right, And he really thinks he's above the law. He
thinks he's above approach. And she's saying, no, that's not
the case. It's not going to fly, and you're going
to be held to account. And I hope that we
can all rally behind her to make sure that that
comes to fruition.

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Speaker 1 (58:19):
Hey, this is Motown recording artist Kim. You are watching
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never known him to be filtered? Is there anohing? Is
there another way to experience rolland.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Martin than to be unfiltered?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Course he's unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Would you expect anything less?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Why watch? Watch what happens next? You know it's got
to be rough. If you're a former New York Governor
Andrew Cuomo and you are now trying to team up

(58:58):
with Donald Trump to beat around Mam Donnie. A new
report says that that's what took place. A Quotmo and
Trump had a call, possibly about Trump Endorsingquotmo against Mamdani,
and Madney beat him in the of course in the
New York primary. Of course macdonnie will go to the
general election in November. Now, Quotmo was still in the race,

(59:22):
so is in come in New York Mayor Eric Adams.
They've been going back and forth. Quotma has been saying
Adams drop out, Adam saying the Quomo drop out. The
bottom line is mon Donnie is leading in the polls.
And he said it's just disqualifying if Quotmo teams up
with Donald Trump to try to take him out. And
Mom Donnie said, you know what, all right, Andrew, that's
how you want to roll. Let's rumble.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Looming over the election?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Is Donald Trump? Right?

Speaker 30 (59:49):
And there was this headline this week and you just
alluded to it in your answer right there about this
phone call between the President Andrew Cuomo. The President denies it.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Andrew Cuomo denies that phone call.

Speaker 30 (59:57):
And when I interviewed Andrew Cuomo recently, he said that
he hadn't spoken to to Donald Trump in quite some time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
So why do you believe the story?

Speaker 31 (01:00:03):
Because the New York Times stands by their reporting, and
I trust them more than I trust Andrew Cuomo or
Donald Trump. And with Andrew Cuomo, we don't even know
what it means to hear quite some time or in
a while. We know from this reporting that they continue
to stand by that President Trump Andrew Clomo had a conversation,
and that is a conversation about this mayor's race, and
the very fact of it is a betrayal of New

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Yorkers because in this very moment, that president has stolen
food from the Hungary across this country, has kicked millions
of Americans, more than a million New Yorkers off of
their healthcare, and has done all of this in service
of one of the largest wealth transfers from working class
Americans to those who already have more money than they
know what to do with.

Speaker 30 (01:00:43):
So there is something to be said about the mayor
of New York City having a relationship with the federal
government and the president. And you said it'll be Donald
Trump's worst nightmare. So how specifically, though, would you combat
things like clawbacks of money or this threat that Donald
Trump has said of a federal takeover of New York City?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
How would you combat that?

Speaker 31 (01:00:58):
I would make the case at every single juncture about
how this is not only an overreach beyond the roles
and responsibilities of the federal government, but that this is
something that New York will not stand for.

Speaker 22 (01:01:06):
Now.

Speaker 31 (01:01:07):
That is not to say you take a reflexive approach
always one of opposition with regards to the federal government.
If Donald Trump wants to actually deliver on cheaper groceries
and wants to work with me in doing so, for
New Yorkers, that's a phone conversation I'm willing to have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
You had one with them, No, I haven't.

Speaker 31 (01:01:20):
I can tell you he hasn't called me, and I
haven't called him because I am still running to defend
this city first and foremost. And what offends me in
so many New Yorkers is the premise of that phone
call was not how can we benefit New Yorkers. The
premise of it was Andrew Cuomo and Donald Trump speaking
about how they can stop the Democratic nominee.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
So a big part of you win, Ravin. I don't understand.
They are eight point four million people in New York City. Okay,
if Mom Donnie is such a threat, hey campaign against
them and beat him. But it's amazing how all these
people Bill Actbin and so many others. Oh my god,

(01:01:58):
this will be a tragedy. Hey, the way you win
is if you beat him. Put up or shut up,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
I mean, clearly New Yorkers have spoken they want mom Donnie.

Speaker 16 (01:02:10):
And there's a reason for that, because he's made it
very clear that he's not going to bend to the
will a billionaire interests and the way that a Cuomo
will right. And you know what, for everyone's sake, I
hope it's true that Trump is endorsing Cuomo because that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Will be the kiss of death to his campaign.

Speaker 16 (01:02:25):
It will be the kiss of death, but very on
brand given that they both have sexual harassment allegations, so
they certainly have that in common.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
And birds of a feather flock together after all, you.

Speaker 16 (01:02:35):
Know, I think what really frustrates me about Cuomo is
essentially his argument, one of his many arguments against Mamdannie
is that mom Donnie is too far left and Republicans
are going to wave him around as a moniker of
this particular kind of failing, and so instead they should
choose New Yorkers should choose someone like him, who's essentially
a moderate, because he'll be able to do the bipartisan dance.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
I think that's so ass backwards.

Speaker 16 (01:02:59):
Okay, because the response to building from Trump, since when
is the appropriate response to building from Trump bending the
knee and making yourself more palatable to biggots. I don't
think that's how we roll. There are moments for bipartisan cooperation.
I'm not saying there's not a utility in that, But
there are also moments where you need to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Stand up and fight back.

Speaker 16 (01:03:16):
That's why we chant that a protests, stand up, fight back,
and that's the kind of energy mom Donnie is given.
He's giving that stand up, fight back energy, and that's
why the New Yorkers are rocking with him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
But see, Michael, here's what's stupid to me. Okay, all right,
if New Yorkers say we like what this guy is saying,
they are basically saying, I don't give a damn about
the labels that you put on. He's speaking to the issues.
And so the problem that I have is when Democrats
are responding to right wing talking points by saying, oh,

(01:03:51):
if mom Donnie wins, he is going to be the
leader of the Democratic Party. That's bullshit. He's not. So
when Eric Adams won, was he because the mayor of
New York City, the leaser Democratic Party. No, in fact,
I don't care. As the largest city in America, whoever
New Yorkers elect, ain't got a damn thing to do

(01:04:13):
with the rest of the country. That's New York City.
And in fact, Michael, if a Democrat gets asked this
question when they go on these damn cable shows, if
Jake Tapper or Christian Welker throws the question out, this
is what This is how I would respond. I don't
live in New York City. I ain't got no vote.

(01:04:35):
The people they ask you vote for who they want
to vote for. Now, if you want to ask me
about my city, or my state or my congressional district,
go ahead and do that. But I ain't got a
damn thing to say about what New York City does.
Next question.

Speaker 17 (01:04:52):
Yeah, so, I think part of it is, you know,
cable news, especially MSNBC and CNN. You know, they've been
losing ratings, especially after the twenty twenty four election. Joane
Reed talked about that when she was on The Breakfast
Club explaining why she thinks she was fired from MSNBC. So, yeah,

(01:05:15):
you're correct. No, the mayor of New York is not
the head of the Democratic Party. You just have Republicans
trying to throw something against the wall to see what
sticks because they are afraid of Mam Donnie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (01:05:31):
The other thing is, yeah, you have to outwork your opponent,
and yes, you have to get more votes. It's going
to be interesting to see what happens in the general
election because the general is different than a primary. Yes,
Mam Donnie has the enthusiasm, but it was, from my understanding,
a low voter turnout primary. And you know a lot

(01:05:54):
of primaries are low voter turnouts. We just had a
low voter turnout primary here in Detroit, Mary Sheffield. That's
the d the competition. But the general election is entirely different.
So you have to play to the general and see
what happens.

Speaker 32 (01:06:10):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:06:10):
Lastly, Cuomo, if Cuomo had a conversation with Trump recently, Okay,
not him saying he spoke to him after the assassination
attempt to express his concern, but if he had one recently,
and if he's trying to show, hey, I can work

(01:06:31):
with Trump, and I'll be better than Mom Donnie. I'll
be more acceptible to Trump, inacceptible to Republicans. Well, this
is where you beat your opponent on the issues and
you get more votes. So we're going to see how
this plays out. I don't live in New York. We're
going to see how this plays out. But you got
you still need to get more votes than your opponent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, But the botom line is, when you look at
any polling right now, Matt mom Donnie is kicking cuomos
As is kicking adams As. And maybe if they spend
more time trying to figure out why he's attractive to people,
then they may have a shot at beating him. I
just think that Democrats get themselves caught up in this

(01:07:17):
game where they're being forced to answer to a candidate
that's running. Here's the deal. In Seattle, a progressive candidate
is beating the incumbent mayor. You have a group that's
endorsed the progressive candidate against the progressive mayor in Minneapolis.
So here's the question, Matt, is the Democratic mayor of Seattle.

(01:07:40):
Is that a bail weather for the Democratic Party nationally?

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
How about the progressive mayor in Minneapolis. No. I don't
know why Democrats fall for the bullshit of having to
answer to this when that ain't none of my business.
Here's Sir Elizabeth Warren answering the question, and you know
what she should have said from there, what she say
at this.

Speaker 33 (01:08:03):
Wonder though often we see this and this is a
local election. New York does not operate in a vacuum.
It competes with other cities. And so this idea of
somehow raising taxes on the wealthiest New Yorkers, who, by
the way, I would point out, pay roughly fifteen percent
of their income.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Right now between city and state.

Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
Raising taxes on them will simply drive them away.

Speaker 33 (01:08:22):
Shouldn't the focus of a mayor be on delivering services
to the constituents of the city and doing that by
raising the most revenue as possible without chasing businesses and
the high income taxpayers out of the city. Because they
can go to Austin, they can go to Dallas, they
can go to Atlanta, they can.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Go to Nashville. This is your issue. It's a national issue,
not a local issue.

Speaker 18 (01:08:43):
The issue is affordability.

Speaker 12 (01:08:46):
Do you know how many working families are chased out
of New York City every day because they can't afford housing,
they can't afford groceries, They can't afford childcare.

Speaker 18 (01:08:55):
What Zorn is saying is I want people to be
able to afford to live in New York City. That's
what keeps a vibrant city. That's what makes people want
to leave.

Speaker 33 (01:09:05):
Nobody disagrees with that, Senator, But raising taxes in order
to do it, Why is that the answer?

Speaker 12 (01:09:10):
Oh dear, are you worried that billionaires are going to
go hungry?

Speaker 33 (01:09:13):
No, I'm worried that they're going to leave and spend
their money elsewhere.

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
You know, they've threatened to do that over and over,
and they have.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
They've left.

Speaker 18 (01:09:20):
Here's the thing, and Golden and Sacks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
When they create new jobs, they do it in Dallas.
Blackstone won't build a new headquarter.

Speaker 18 (01:09:26):
You want to have a workable city. You want to
have a city that's vibrant.

Speaker 12 (01:09:30):
You want to have a city with streets are full,
where there are things for sale twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 18 (01:09:35):
Then you need people who can live here and work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
We got that right now.

Speaker 33 (01:09:38):
By the way, I would point out, New York is thriving,
so right now it's doing pretty well.

Speaker 12 (01:09:44):
Actually, did you think they're doing well because a lot
of people are struggling to pay for housing a lot
of people are struggling to pay for groceries. And I
got to tell you moms and daddies who are facing
twenty five thousand dollars a year to pay for childcare.

Speaker 33 (01:09:57):
A lot of national issues they are the local state.
But yes, but if you deal with them in that way,
by what is always your backup, just tax them more,
they will leave.

Speaker 10 (01:10:08):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:10:09):
The backup is make this city and make this country
work for everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I get that.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
The Republican point of view is make this country and
make every city in this country work better and better
for a handful of billionaires and let everybody.

Speaker 18 (01:10:23):
Else eat dirt.

Speaker 12 (01:10:25):
But what mom Dommy won on in a Democratic primary
is he said I'm going to address affordability.

Speaker 18 (01:10:32):
And he didn't win by one. It's very much unclear he.

Speaker 33 (01:10:36):
Has the ability to actually do it, by the way,
based on the laws and what the governor has to
say and what he would actually have to do.

Speaker 12 (01:10:42):
You know, I love that as the fallback position, and
that is he's fighting for the right thing, but maybe
maybe the billionaires.

Speaker 33 (01:10:49):
Everybody wants a more affordable city, There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 12 (01:10:52):
The question is how you have about billmore House, don't
want to pay.

Speaker 18 (01:10:56):
Your part on this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
You killed you, okay, Matt. See, here's the problem here,
and this is how an idiotic David Faber is. Okay.
So I just want everybody to listen to what he said,
that this is not a local issue, it's a national issue.

(01:11:19):
So mam Dati does this, he's gonna run the rich
people out, and they're gonna go to other places, and
they're gonna build in Austin, in Dallas and in Florida. Matt,
I'm confused that if it's a national issue, as Favor said,

(01:11:39):
and they go to other states, isn't that national? Doesn't
that mean the nation still benefits? I mean, this is
what happens when you are so out of touch on CNBC,
when you are so quick to defend rich you don't

(01:12:02):
even know what the hell you're saying. This is a
national issue, Senator Warren, Aren't you concerned that if Mamdanni
does this, he's going to run the rich people to
other states? Doesn't the nation still benefit with them being
in America? Now, if Favor made the argument that Senator Warren,

(01:12:24):
the actions of Mamdanni, if he wins, he's going to
run them out of the country. Then David Faber, that
becomes a national story. Otherwise it's a local story. I
don't understand what the deal is. And again, I don't
live in New York City. I don't give a shit.

(01:12:48):
It has no impact on me because I don't live there.
This is why these rich ass people who are anchors
on television and I speak for regular ordinary people because
I mean, Mananni, he's sitting here saying he's going to
raise taxes. Shouldn't a mayor be concerned about delivering services? Well,

(01:13:12):
how do I deliver services? If I have a collapsing
tax base? I have to pay for the services somehow.
These idiots don't even know how what they sound like
when they're talking back.

Speaker 15 (01:13:28):
Well, first they can run Elon Musk back because he
built a campus about final three miles from my parents'
house in Austin.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
So I'd be glad to have him gone. Whatever you
know takes Tesla leaving, I'm happy to have happened.

Speaker 15 (01:13:42):
But you know, one of the things I think is
kind of the undercurrent here that nobody's talking about, or
maybe you've talked about it on other shows, is I'm
wondering if there is a concern in the Democratic Party
and a hope in the Republican Party.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
That Mamdanni gets elected.

Speaker 15 (01:13:56):
So they can try to call all Democrats socialists because
he's a Demos granted, socialist.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I don't know how much that, but they do it anyway, right,
I know, I know, But.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
But Matt, here's they do it.

Speaker 18 (01:14:09):
Here's a deal.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
You can.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
You can be a conservative Democrat and they're still gonna
call you a socialist. They Joe Biden is a centrist,
frankly center right Democrat for four years. Joe Biden's a socialist,
a socialist. So they're going to call every Democrat a socialist,

(01:14:34):
every Democrat a communist. They're gonna do it anyway somehow.
And again, if I'm a Democrat, the way you answer
that is that ain't me that man in New York City.
They ain't got nothing to do with me. See again,
they're not comparing him. They're not saying to the all Democrats,
are you the same as the mayor of Chicago, the

(01:14:57):
mayor of Seattle, the mayor of Minneapolis, the mayor of Houston. No,
they fall for They fall for the banana and the
tailpipe every time by taking the bait and or send
the Cory Booker is afraid to endorse, and they're like, well,
you're afraid to endorse, and Booker was like, that's New

(01:15:17):
York think got done though with me. That's their business, right.

Speaker 15 (01:15:23):
But what I was gonna say is that I think
that tension is at play because you would think that
if the person gets elected to the mayoralty in New York,
even if that is only New York in terms of
a local issue, it has a national reverberation because New
York is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
The biggest city in the country. And I'm sure there's
some reticent.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
No it does it, Cory Booker, No, actually, it does it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I don't think it's necessarily a beild weather.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
No it doesn't.

Speaker 27 (01:15:46):
Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
You can say no, no, no, no, no, Matt, Matt, Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Here's it, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
It has no Matt. It has no national reverberation. This
is why, this is why I believe you're saying that.
It's because New York City is the media capital of
the world. That's why all the networks are based on.
The major media companies are there, So follow me here,

(01:16:11):
follow me here. The major media companies they work in
New York City. So it's big to them, so they
then make it big on the air. The mayor of
New York City has zero, zero thing to do with Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona,

(01:16:38):
New Mexico, Colorado, Idaho, California, Washington State, North Dakota, South Dakota.
Why owning Montana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Kansas, Missouri, Maine,
New Hampshire, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Maryland, Georgia. Nothing.

(01:17:07):
But because the media is centralized in New York, New
York City, this is going to impact the nation. It
Voultd he gets elected. It ain't impacting Raven in Chicago.
It ain't doing nothing to Micae and Detroit. It ain't
doing nothing to you and Corpus Christian. But it's a

(01:17:29):
media story.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Yeah, maybe so, And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 15 (01:17:35):
I think what's actually happening in New York is going
to affect me on the ground. But on a smaller level,
whatever they do at home in Austin gets sent around
and attributed to democrats in Texas. So I don't think
you can say a socialist who's elected mayor in a
landslide there in New York is not going to have
a national reverberation in terms of how Republicans play it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
That's all I'm getting in.

Speaker 15 (01:17:58):
I'm not talking about it being a substantive effect of
what happens in New York City anywhere else in the country,
because obviously it's a very isolated locale. I'm saying, I
wonder if Democrats are concerned to really say what he's
saying substantively is valuable because they're worried about being tied
to someone who's actually a member of the Socialist Party

(01:18:19):
or a Democratic Socialist, and therefore they're concerned about their
own electoral effects and how that could potentially.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Affect them down the road. That's all I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
But Raven, here's the problem with that. They're going to
call you a socialist even if you're not. They called
Kamala Harris a socialist, Biden a socialist, Obama a socialist.
That's what It's a default for Republicans. That's right.

Speaker 16 (01:18:51):
And I don't know, maybe this is radical to me,
but what's so wrong with socialism anyways?

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
I Mean, I think one of the things that makes.

Speaker 16 (01:18:58):
Us robust and Capacia as a party is that we
don't fall into the same kind of groupthink Colt's mentality,
at least to the same extent that I think Republicans do.
We have ebbs and flows and deviations. We're not all
on the same page about all the same things. Now,
sometimes that turns into the game of well, I'm more
morally righteous than you, and a kind of cars sceral
politics of discarding one another one. We're not one hundred

(01:19:19):
percent on the same page about things. But I don't
think it's a bad thing that someone is coming in
with a new idea, real talk. If what we had
rock and right now was working, we wouldn't be in
the situation that we were in. Like people are so
resistant to new ways of thinking, new ways of organizing,
new ways of thinking about government and thinking about community
and redistribution of wealth and resources. But we need some

(01:19:40):
radical new ideas and that should be okay.

Speaker 19 (01:19:43):
And I think.

Speaker 16 (01:19:43):
Establishment democrats, who are so deeply in mesh and current
power structures that they exist as they exist, rather feel
very threatened by that. They don't know how to reckon
with that. Maybe perhaps they personally don't benefit from that,
and so it's it's more comfortable to distance yourself. But
young people want some new energy. Come in, shake it up,
give me some new ideas. Meet people's material needs, right,

(01:20:06):
like Elizabeth Warren was saying, meet people's material needs. People
cannot afford groceries, people cannot pay for their rent.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
What are you going to do about it? But y'all
have been doing it's not working. So now someone is
coming in with new ideas and you want a goofa
at them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
No, I'm in here what he has to say, and
you should too, Michael. I just think again, Democrats fall
for the banana and the tailpipe every time. If somebody,
I'm just I'm sorry, if somebody, if I am the
United States Senator from Massachusetts, and if they're sitting here

(01:20:43):
saying and matter of fact, I will flip it if
but soul Senator, do you think that if the social
is elected mayor of New York City it's going to
somehow hurt? And I will lively sit there and say,
have you ever asked about the mayor of Seattle? The

(01:21:03):
mayor of this city, that city, that city, that city,
that city, like this is like I might even entertaining it.
That to me is the problem Democrats get in trouble
when they are playing on a republican playground where they've
set all the rules and all the traps, and you
are to respond. I just think it's very simple. The

(01:21:25):
answer is real simple. Is this. If the voters of
New York City choose Zoram Mam Donnie, then that's who
they choose. And if you're in New York City and
you don't want him to be mayor, then you go vote.
What's your next question?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Yeah, well one, yes, the major media outlets, they are
stationed in New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Like like holda, he hold on, Michael, hold on, Helo,
hold on, Michael, Hold hold on, Michael. So let me
go ahead and add this so you caris callingto it,
which as backs up what I'm saying during the debate.
Did you see what happened during the debate when they said,
if you're elected mayor, what's the first trip you're taking?
Every candidate, I'm going to Israel. I'm going to Israel.

(01:22:18):
I'm going to the Holy City. I'm going to Israel,
you know, Mam Donnie said. He said, Actually, I'm not
going anywhere. I'm trying to take care of New York City, right,
brilliant answer. That was him saying, as the mayor of
New York City, I ain't got shit to do with Israel.
That ain't got nothing, ain't no foreign policy component about

(01:22:41):
being the mayor of New York City. He was like something,
just gonna keep my ass right here and deal with
the issues of New York City. It was a brilliant,
brilliant answer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, I did see that.

Speaker 17 (01:22:55):
So New York City being the center of media, and
we just saw Good Morning America just moved their studios
to New York City. But the other thing is is
that New York No.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
No, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no
no good no no no no, no no no. Good
Morning America. Good Morning America was always in New York City.
They were in Times Square. They moved their studio to
the no no, no, out of Times Square to the huts.
The ABC bought a bunch of space in the in
the in the huts and yards, so they moved it
from Times Square Hutson Yard. But they're still in.

Speaker 17 (01:23:30):
New York City, still in New York City, Okay, because
I saw when they yes, yes, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
The other thing is is New York City is where
you know, you have Wall Street. Also, okay, so you're
dealing with the financial markets.

Speaker 17 (01:23:43):
But yeah, you know, to your point, a lot of
times Democrats, well you're dealing with a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
A big tent party number one.

Speaker 17 (01:23:55):
But a lot of times, yeah, they do take the
bait and uh may not tried to be put into
a box, but it is true that they're gonna call
you either a socialist or a communist regardless, and and
most Republicans don't know the difference between socialism and communism.
They use the terms interchangeably, okay, to try to put

(01:24:18):
you into a box, to cast you a certain way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
They did this with with Biden, which is which.

Speaker 17 (01:24:23):
Is totally ridiculous that Biden had to tell them, no,
I'm a capitalist, Okay, I'm not a I'm not a socialist.
So these are the games that you know, Republicans play.
But yeah, New York City, the mayor of New York City,
UH doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Have does it. It's not really going to impact these
other states.

Speaker 17 (01:24:44):
Now, what I think some I think something that shifted
was when nine to eleven happened and Rudolph Giuliani was
called America's mayor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
And I think that may have shift because that was
a tragedy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
But that but yeah, but no, but Michael, it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Actually didn't, It actually didn't. You can you can go
back to the seventies when Lindsey was mayor, when cock
Ed Koch was mayor, Dinkins was mayor before Giuliani. Again,
let me say it again, national media. National media has

(01:25:26):
always elevated at the mayor of New York City is
the second most important job in the country behind the
commander in chief. No it's not, No, it's not. The
rest of the country literally doesn't give a shit about
the mayor of New York City. But because David Letterman show,

(01:25:51):
the Late night shows, all those people are based in
New York City. Guests who comes on the show, the
mayor of New York City, New York City, the mayor
of Denver doesn't. The mayor of Denver is not going
on Jimmy Fallon, The mayor of Scott Stieal Arizona is
not going on Seth Myers. So national media elevates the

(01:26:14):
mayor of New York City to be a larger than
life figure. And all I'm saying is the maryored New
York City has no relevance on the other forty nine
states at all, And so Democrats should not fall for
he's going to be the standard bearer of the party
now right, No, you won't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:26:36):
Yeah, they want to use Mamdani to scare other people.
Scare that's all Democrats, scare people away from Yeah, because
I remember back when Mayor ed Kanch hosted Saturday to
Night Line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Okay, so this is this is the Mayor of New
York being elevated.

Speaker 9 (01:26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
So yeah, no, no, that that definitely happens, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
That's all. So again, don't fall for the oku do democrats?
Let them right wingers run with it and simply say, man,
they ain't got nothing to do with me. Move on,
all right, y'all. I gotta go to the break. But
when I come back, I got a few things to
say about the racist head basketball coach at Arburn University.

(01:27:26):
And I'm telling you right now, des if black parents, ooh,
y'all have got to get some courage, and no black parent,
not one black parent, should let they son play basketball
for that racist bastard Bruce Pearl at Auburn. I'm explaining

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Next on the Black Table with me Gredca The United
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Think about that for a second. That's not all.

Speaker 23 (01:29:15):
Black women are three times more likely to die in
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Speaker 24 (01:29:21):
These healthcare systems are inherently racist.

Speaker 25 (01:29:26):
There are a lot of white supremacists, ideas and mythologies
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we experience.

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Payless right activists, organized and fearless freedom fighter Monifa Aknwila
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this shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted in
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Speaker 13 (01:30:34):
Roland Martin unfilter.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Folks. My book, it's called white Fear, how the brownie
of Americas making white folks lose their minds. And I
said it many times that the election of President Barack
Obama calls white folks to trip. Now, let me real clear,
Obama got white support. There were people who were excited,

(01:31:05):
who were happy. But the fact of the matter is
it's some white folks in this country who could not
stand the fact that a Negro, even though daddy black
from Kenya, mama's white. Nah, way too much blackness in

(01:31:25):
the Oval office. Here you have Aarburn basketball coach Bruce
Pearl who loves to demand unqualified support from Israel because
he's Jewish. Listen to the trash that he spilled on
that white ring, that white right wing rag of a

(01:31:50):
media outlet OutKick.

Speaker 9 (01:31:54):
I get some frustrated when I hear what a terrible
country we are, how racist we are, how this is
nothing opportunity for everybody. Look, we've got a lot to
work on and they're racism that absolutely does exist and
it's wrong. But it's a lot better for my players
than it was for their fathers, or for their fathers
fathers or their father's father.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
And so I want my.

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
Guys to recognize there are going to be obstacles, but
not roadblocks.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
And that's what Barack Obama did. However as our president.

Speaker 9 (01:32:24):
Other than just love listening to him talk because he's
such a great orator, I disagree with so many of
his policies.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
I thought in so many.

Speaker 9 (01:32:32):
Ways, rather than uniting us as a country, even in
by race, he divided us.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Everything was black and white.

Speaker 9 (01:32:39):
Everything was the obstacles that were against you know, my
players for being successful. I'm trying to teach my guys, Look,
I don't want you working it some way.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
I want you.

Speaker 9 (01:32:49):
Owning five of them. And that's possible. I think in
many ways, Barack Obama told a different story. So it's
hard to criticize him though, because you get a lot
of you get a lot of feedback that's really really negative.
My point on Obama the last time was this, he
was calling on Israel for a ceasefire.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
He was calling on Israel to stop the war.

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
He was calling on Israel like to release the hostages,
and I'm like, dude, they're not the ones holding the hostages.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
They didn't start this war.

Speaker 9 (01:33:19):
The war and the violence and all the atroses that
go on on both sides of the war. And the
minute that Hamas surrenders releases the hostages.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I hope y'all will listening. I hope y'all will let
me translate what Bruce Pearl just said. I can't stand
Obama because Obama was not one hundred percent hardcore pro Israel.
That's really what Bruce Pearl is saying. Y'all Knit and

(01:33:57):
Yahoo couldn't stand Obama because Obama was not going even
though the United States still fortunately behind Israel, they did
not the fact that he wasn't hardcore behind Israel. That's
the bullshit. See when you listen to lying ass Bruce Pearl, O, God, Oma, God,

(01:34:24):
everything everything with Obama, everything was black and white. That's
absolute bullshit. Bruce Pearl is so full of shit. Well, Obama,
I don't want my guys to work at subway.

Speaker 18 (01:34:41):
I want my.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Guys to own five subways. Hey, Bruce, are you aware
that it was under Obama when the rules were changed
to allow it increase in crowd source to build businesses.

(01:35:04):
Are you aware of that, Bruce? Are you aware of
the economic things that Obama talked about? See, y'all, it's
white people like Bruce Pearl who loved to Obama divided us.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Please, Bruce, I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Want you to explain exactly how Obama divided us.

Speaker 18 (01:35:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
And maybe when I when I go to the Pane.
I'm not right now, but maybe when I go to
Michael and Raven and Matt, maybe maybe they can help
me recall just the divisive why they go to Hell's
She is an Obama gave.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I'm trying to remember all of the white America y'all
can kiss my ass news conferences that Obama had. I
just I can't recall those. See what Bruce Pearl would
never ever own up to is that the mere presence

(01:36:28):
of Obama is what pissed off white folks in this country.
See the Bruce Pearls of the world, See they were well,
you know, I want my guys to know that that
there are obstacles in there are Bruce, your punk ass

(01:36:51):
is in Alabama. And see y'all, Bruce Pearl has kids
so much, Mega ass love him so Donald Trump. But
you know what, I ain't never heard Bruce Pearl. I
ain't never heard Bruce Pearl condemn white conservative Republicans in

(01:37:11):
Alabama for trying to keep black folks out of power.
I've never heard Bruce Pearl call out Donald Trump for
canceling that settlement where black people in Lowndes County had
sewage backing up into their yards and homes because Donald

(01:37:34):
Trump called it an the legal Dei settlement.

Speaker 35 (01:37:38):
I've never ever ever heard Bruce Pearl, who, oh he's
cared so much about his black players at Albarn.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
I've never ever heard Bruce Pearl call out Alabama Governor
k Ivy for taking COVID money to help people but
instead to be on more prisons. I've never heard of

(01:38:12):
Bruce Pearl, who's super duper pro Israel. I ain't never
heard Bruce Pearl condemn the white conservative Republicans in Alabama
for telling black cities you can't take down Confederate monuments.

(01:38:33):
Matter of fact, since we since Bruce Pearl is talking about, oh,
how he cares about he wants his players to own
five subways showed me the last time Bruce Pearl had
a summit in the black belt of Alabama to talk
about economic revitalization in Selma and Montgomery. See by all means,

(01:39:00):
I need to see Bruce Pearl standing up for what's right.
See please, Bruce Pearl, can you show me the evidence
of when that black man was shot in the suburbs
of Birmingham when he was with his girlfriend and black

(01:39:20):
folks have been protesting the release of the body cam footage. Oh,
by all means, Bruce, please show me where you were
standing with the family. See. I love it when white
guys like Bruce Pearl, Jewish Americans like Bruce Pearl want
to be so hardcore and adamant about Israel, but then

(01:39:42):
want to say, oh, Obama divided us, But you can't
actually cite specifically what Obama said when he said it,
and how he divided us. And that's why I'm telling
y'all right now. If I had a nephew, if I
had a son, and they were a basketball player, I

(01:40:03):
would say, your ass can go to any school in America,
but you're damn sure not going to play from Bruce Pearl. See,
it's the presence of some black people. It's so unsettling

(01:40:26):
to biggots like Bruce Pearl, because see what they want
is they want nice quiet Yeah boss, yeah, boss see
the Bruce see Bruce. See he want them negroes who
don't look them in the eye, a bow their head

(01:40:49):
and sort of walk up hunchback. See, Bruce Pearl want
them negroes who master of Bruce? How you doing, Lord Lord?
Thank you so much for being able to take my
son and letting him play basketball under you. Oh massive Bruce, Oh,
please teach my son how to dress? Please massive, massive Bruce.

(01:41:10):
Teach my son how to walk through? Massive Bruce. Teach
my son how to to How about this, Bruce Pearl,
whyon't you teach your black basketball players how not to
be a cheat at basketball? Because you ass cheated at Tennessee.
That's why you had a show calls from the NABA

(01:41:31):
and ce double A. Your ass cheated at Alabama. That's
why your assistant basketball coach, Chuck Person got in trouble.
Oh yeah, oh you thought I forgot about that Adida scandal.
Oh you forget about that? Huh? See you now are
earning millions of dollars Bruce Pearl being ahead basketball coach

(01:41:55):
at Auburn reviving the program. But you have audacity then
mitigated gold to call out Obama saying, oh, how he
divided America and he made it everything black and white,
when your punk ass is the head coach of Auburn

(01:42:15):
in Alabama and your sorry, trifling ass ain't said a
word about the violent racism and the economic opportunities that
black folk have been frozen out of in your particular state.
You give a damn more about the state of Israel
than you do the state of Alabama. And then you

(01:42:38):
call out Obama, knowing full well that the reason your
ass even make the four million dollars you make is
because you making it on the backs of black labor
at Auburn. Bruce Pearl, you can go to hell with
your trifling racist As for those comments, Raven, I know

(01:43:06):
about your background. I want to go to you first.
I want to go to you first because this is
the kind of bullshit that we have to deal with
from some Jewish Americans who don't want who want to
play games, but need to be called out on a
bigotry in racism.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
Ooh, there's a lot to unpack their Roland. I mean,
I'll start with this.

Speaker 16 (01:43:35):
You know, I'm black and Jewish, I'm a progressive woman.
I talk a lot about politics, education online every day.
I think that there's a lot to delve into here.
But Roland, what I first want to talk about is
is this claim that Obama divided us as a country
that you're.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
Naming, and that is a fallacy, right.

Speaker 16 (01:43:50):
I think what really divided us as a country, and
we want to be honest, is that folks thought that
once Obama was elected, we would be a post racial society.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
Remember that whole discourse. Oh well, we elect I said,
one black person. So now we don't have to reckon
with race anymore.

Speaker 16 (01:44:02):
We don't have to talk about it anymore, we don't
have to dissect it and make good on promises around
things like reparations or reconciling harm done. Well, those promises
were never made, but you know, one could help, and
so you know, I think those.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Were the hopes.

Speaker 16 (01:44:18):
But actually what they were met with was a president
who was like, Hey, we're gonna actually talk seriously about
inequities and harm done both past and present. We're gonna
sit with this, we're gonna hold this.

Speaker 22 (01:44:29):
And they didn't like that, and.

Speaker 16 (01:44:30):
So what we got in response was a very intense,
virulent white backlash. That white backlash so hard now we
have Donald Trump, and so really, what I hear Bruce
recirculating here is this conservative talking point that is essentially,
if we don't talk about race, then it will go away, right,
y'all need to stop talking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
And my frustration with those.

Speaker 16 (01:44:50):
People is, why are you more angry at people talking
about racial inequities than you are at the existence of
the racial inequities. If you would like us to stop
talking about them, then help us eradicate them.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
It is really that simple. But they don't want to
do that work. They want to put their head in
the sand.

Speaker 16 (01:45:07):
Now to the point around Israel, I do want us
to be really careful, right, because I do think there
is this anti Semitic trope of dual loyalty, that Jewish
Americans are always more loyal.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
To Israel than we are to the United States.

Speaker 16 (01:45:18):
Now, certainly, as a Jewish community, we exist on a
spectrum of political ideology. So obviously Bruce and I have
very different views. For example, I wouldn't describe what's going
on as a war. I would call it what it is,
which is a genocide. But I do want us to
be cognizant of how we talk about these particular positionalities
in terms of Israel. I mean, look, there are some
folks who are going to look at Obama's positionality a

(01:45:39):
statement that he put out about calling for a ceasefire,
and they're going to say exactly what Bruce said. But
the truth is Israel does need to be held to account.
The leadership in Israel needs to be held to account.
It is not radical to call for a ceasefire. It
should be commonplace.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
It is the right thing to do.

Speaker 16 (01:45:52):
And those who want to pretend that he's being performing
or behaving beyond the pale are moving in ways that
are profoundly in funded, mentally disingenuous.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
The reason I specifically called him out for his hardcore
pro Israel support is I've seen numerous tweets, I've seen
his love for Donald Trump and his constant comments about Israel.
But the point that I'm making is, and again, he
can be pro Israel. I don't care. That's fine, it

(01:46:28):
doesn't matter even if he is close to that Yahoo.
I'm fine with that. My problem is when you want
to try to call out. Obama said, he divided the country.
And when you're Bruce Pearl, you have been far more
vocal about what's happening in Israel than you being what's
happening against black folks in Alabama, when he is one

(01:46:52):
of the highest paid public employees in the entire state,
probably third or fourth behind the head football coach at
Alabama in Auburn, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot here. Well, Trump is
dividing America.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
So.

Speaker 17 (01:47:15):
It is interesting, Bruce Pearl says, this is about President Obama.
Obama tried to unite America. For instance, when he had
the beer summit after doctor Henry Lewis Gates Junior was
arrested on the campus of Harvard University, if I remember correctly,
trying to enter his own home. Uh, Barack Obama had

(01:47:37):
a beer summit with Henry Lewis Gates Junior.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
And no, no, no, no, no, no no no no
no no no no, no, no no no no. Hold up,
hold up, we got we gotta tell the truth about that.
We gotta tell the truth. Obama did not want to
have a beer summit. No, Obama didn't want to have
Here's what happened with that in that news conference. In

(01:48:01):
that news conference, President Obama said the Cambridge, Massachusetts cops
acted stupidly in arresting Skip Gates after it was determined
that was his house.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Yes he did.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
White right wing media hold up. White right wing media
in Fox News took that. Obama calls cops stupid, Obama
hates law enforcement. Now, let me tell you what happened
the next day. The next day, I'm gonna tell you

(01:48:39):
what happened in the Oval Office. The next day, Obama's
white aids went to the Oval Office. We're gonna have
to walk this back, I was told point blank. Obama said,
get out of here. With that. His white adds then

(01:49:00):
went and congregated, trying to figure out, Oh this this
is gonna be a problem. Uh uh, this is gonna
be a problem. Then that was a huge fight with
the black aids because the black aids said, the hell,
y'all talking about the black a said, we walked out
of this building and we can't get a cab outside.
So you had this huge tension going on with the

(01:49:22):
white aids, and so so Fox News and the right
and the right wing talk shower it kept kept bringing up,
kept bring up, kept bringing up, bringing up, and then
and so that thing went on for like a week.
And the only way to quiet it down because that
it was a central focus the beer something.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
He didn't want to have the beer summit. He was
forced to have the beer summit to quell all of
the white anger because they took out a context what
he said and said, look at Obama, he's calling all
cops stupid.

Speaker 17 (01:49:58):
Go right ahead, right, yeah, yeah, because he said stupid Lee.
He said the police acted stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Lee.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
He did not call the police stupid. Yeah. I remember, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
He said, acted stupidly and arresting this way after determining
that was his house. They dropped all that said Obama
calls cops stupid. That was Sean Hannity and the right
wing Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
That was Rush Limbaugh too. I remember when it happened, Yes,
I remember, so.

Speaker 17 (01:50:26):
Yeah, So you have you have things like even though
it was it wasn't something that Obama wanted to do,
He's it was something that he still did, okay, but
he was not trying to divide the country.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
And what happens is when you have the right wing,
when you have people like Russe Limbaugh, who I do
not miss, uh.

Speaker 17 (01:50:48):
And you have people like Seine Hannity h In, these
other right wingers, Jesse Waters. They think that talking about
racism to expose it is somehow promoting racism. They really
don't want to talk about racism, okay, to expose it
because they.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Benefit from racism.

Speaker 17 (01:51:07):
The other thing you had taking place is you had
the backlash of the Tea Party against President Obama as
well in those twenty ten midterm elections. Is right as well,
you had the rise of the Tea Party partly funded
by Clarence Thomas's wife and the Koch brothers, so you

(01:51:27):
had that also. But finally, interesting that Bruce Pearl doesn't
want to call out Donald Trump and his racism because
Donald Trump has set black people back, his set back
sixty years of civil rights progress in two months. So
I find it very interesting that he doesn't want to
call out Donald Trump and his racism.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
But this is how people like Bruce Pearl are.

Speaker 17 (01:51:50):
Okay, that's why we should not send there are our
boys to play for him down in Alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
At all at all? Matt your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (01:52:01):
I wonder if Laura Ingram would also tell him to
shut up and dribble, because what I don't understand is
why we're listening to the coach of Auburn talk politics
number one and number two. You know, when I'm the
third person you call on, there's not really sometimes things
I have to add because I think you hit the
nail on the head.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Your thoughts were exactly mine.

Speaker 15 (01:52:22):
If you notice what Bruce Pearl did in that segment
is a lot of times what white people do when
they talk about Obama. He's this nebulous figure where they
can't say a specific thing they don't like, but he
somehow devices he's dividing the country all of that despite
as you said, president Trump in the White House making
it a hallmark of his candidacy, in a hallmark of

(01:52:44):
his administrations both times, to be as direct and as
openly inviting of racism as any person who's ever been
in the White House, more so than anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
Right, But he doesn't say anything about that.

Speaker 15 (01:52:56):
And what I always wonder is, like you said, don't
send your in, like Michael said, don't send your son.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
To go play for Auburn.

Speaker 15 (01:53:02):
I mean, what do you do if you're a player
on his team? Your coach is out saying this kind
of stuff about you, and what he's trying to do
is a lot of times, what you see white people do.
They move the goalpost and they change it from it
being a dei conversation to this meritorious conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:53:16):
I want my guys to own X number of subways,
but never talk about all of the social phenomena that
create the disparity between black and white wealth, right, or
any of the other things that are the reality on
the ground. They just talk like, I've got this a
cadre of people who deserve this better life, and this
black guy over here is the scapegoat for basically all

(01:53:37):
our problems. And interestingly, he didn't say a single thing
specific about Obama. And I think that's proof positive of
what you see a lot of times from racist from
white racist.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
But what I don't.

Speaker 15 (01:53:47):
Understand is why we're listening to the Auburn coach with
no bona fides that I know of, talk about politics
when he should be focused on coaching a team.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Oh and by the way, to your point there, Matt,
I want my players to own five subways, but I'm
not saying anything about Donald Trump wanted to get rid
of the federal DBA program that is thirty seven billion
dollars for people of color. Oh, I want my players
to own five subways, but I'm not going to say
anything about the lack of African Americans receiving venture capital money,

(01:54:24):
even private equity money, and the inequities there and the
systemic racism that exists there. Oh, I want my players
to own five subways, but I'm not going to say
anything about redlining and businesses and when the homes impacts
black people. Oh, I want my players not to work
at subway, but to own five subways. I'm not going
to say anything about the studies in America that showed

(01:54:46):
a black person with the same resume as a white
person but they had a black sounding name, had a
fifty percent chance lesson getting a callback. See, it's amazing.
It's a whole lot of stuff. And I know there's racism,
but I just we just got to be more positive.
And Obama he was just so negative when in fact
Obama was so safe. He was so safe. But these

(01:55:11):
white folks swear Malcolm X became president. Ain't that thing amazing?
All Right, y'all, I'm here at Cleveland for the National
Association of Black Journey's fiftieth anniversary convention, and earlier today
we inducted a new Folks Guitar or NABJ Hall of Fame.
There were a number of people who were honored, some great,

(01:55:34):
great individuals. It's always great, of course to have our
Hall of Fame. Y'all roll a video, y'all should have
it of some of those honorees. I want to shout out.
That's Callie Crossley right there. Cali, I still on the
border of NABJ with CALLI. That's my girl. Pam Moore
of course out of k ron and San Francisco. That's

(01:55:54):
my man Greg Moore, managing longtime managing heir of the
Denver Post Boston Globe. That's a good, good brother, my
man Leon Carter, the first African American sports editor at
the New York Daily News. My man Bob Reid, he
was the first broadcast president of the National Association of
Black Journalists. That's right there. It's a good brother, Wayne

(01:56:14):
Dawson out of Cleveland, my alphad brother, Leon Bibb. That's
him right there, also honored. And that there's a brother
standing in place of Cecil Williams, who was also being honored,
but who could not attend the ceremonies. But folks, there
was a lot of great speeches. But I love what
Bob Reid had to say to the folks in the

(01:56:36):
tendance where he spoke truth to what's happening in our industry.

Speaker 32 (01:56:42):
Following a lot of the really great people, well deserving
and who made some incredible speeches. And I'm just so
thankful to be here, and I'm especially thankful to an
ABJ for this very great honor. In ABJ has a
special in my heart, always hasn't always will. I've spent

(01:57:05):
my life gathering news, managing newsrooms in cable channels, and teaching.
It's been an incredible journey.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
And it's not over yet.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
To those who helped along the way, thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:57:22):
You know who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
There are too many of you to.

Speaker 32 (01:57:24):
Mention because I've been at it a long time.

Speaker 36 (01:57:28):
But I also would like to acknowledge some people right
here from WKYC TV, where fifty three years ago I
actually broke a colorb area that is probably not well
known as the first black news manager at WKYCTV back.

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
In nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 32 (01:57:47):
One of my many stops along the way I'm especially
grateful to President Kathy Times, Wayne Dawkins, Scale Paul Terry,
and Gene Alston for nominating me for this great honor,
and to my wife Dema, son Sean friend Jason Jason Horton,

(01:58:14):
and first cousins Vincent and Brasselina Brookins, my Cleveland cousins,
that is, who are here in the room with me
today to celebrate. My grandfather thought I'd preach, My mother
hoped for a lawyer. Some teachers said politicians. But I
followed my own dream and fall in love with journalism.

(01:58:38):
But in the sixties, the nineteen sixties, that is, there
were very few role models for black Georgia farm boys,
taught with second hand books in segregated schools. So I
blazed my own trail. By nineteen seventy five, I was
a manager at NBC News in New York when NABJ

(01:58:58):
was founded, and four years later, President Vernon Jarrett urged
me to take the helm, and even as some blacks
and he handed me the baton. Actually even as some
blacks and many white wondered why.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
An ABJA was necessary.

Speaker 32 (01:59:21):
Now hard earned gains by black journalists and indeed black.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
People under assault as two woke.

Speaker 32 (01:59:34):
Now I'm old enough to remember when managers falsely claim
they couldn't find qualified blacks to hire. Now, the government's
antidei orders questioned the need to even try with legacy media,
flailing Internet lies outrun the truth. No editors, no consensus,

(01:59:58):
no accountability.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
I sustain my career through the years.

Speaker 32 (02:00:03):
By continual reinvention, and to the young.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
People here today, I say you can do that too.

Speaker 32 (02:00:12):
If nobody is hiring, hire yourself, create, innovate because a
free press is the ultimate weapon of democracy, and our
voices are desperately needed.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
To challenge power, to report the truth.

Speaker 32 (02:00:32):
To preserve the black perspective in a universe, a media
universe rule by bots, bullies, billionaeers and bigots. Unless we
speak up, get into what John Lewis, the Great and
Late John Lewis called good trouble NABJ and even the

(02:00:54):
imperfect democracy our ancestors died for could be reduced to
fading memories of an impossible dream. And history will say
when they came for us, we were silent, our freedoms
already lost.

Speaker 3 (02:01:12):
So in ABJ, keep.

Speaker 32 (02:01:15):
Fighting for justice and equality until victory is won.

Speaker 3 (02:01:20):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 12 (02:01:21):
On ABJ.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
Folks also in ABJ held elections. Well, we sort of
have these staggered elections, and so there were several races
on the ballot this year, including President Aaron Haynes. She
beat incumbent President Ken Lemon Walter Randolph Vice President Broadcast
he beat Raylean Johnson by one vote to remain Vice

(02:01:55):
President Broadcast. Corey Atkinson was elected secretary and I was
elected Vice President Digital. This will be my fourth time
serving on the board director, second time as Vice president Digital.
Here is Aaron Haynes with her acceptance speech at the
news conference that announced the results.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
Oh God, oh your mamn. The reason me late?

Speaker 11 (02:02:23):
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 13 (02:02:26):
Hi guys, how's ever?

Speaker 5 (02:02:31):
Well, I guess everybody else already got to talk. I'm
not going to hold job, but I just want to
say thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:02:41):
Stick.

Speaker 13 (02:02:43):
Can y'all hear me back there?

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Okay? Well?

Speaker 5 (02:02:47):
Helloly aby J family. Standing here as your next.

Speaker 19 (02:02:50):
President is truly one of the great honors of my
life in my career. I'm filled with such deep gratitude
and the trust all of you can have placed in
me for the example of our founders and for the
power of this organization that has sustained and inspired me
since I was a student journalist. Fifty years ago, forty

(02:03:14):
four black journalists came together in a Washington hotel room
and took a risk for the sake of truth, and
took a risk for the sake of representation and justice.

Speaker 5 (02:03:24):
They stood up in an.

Speaker 19 (02:03:25):
Industry that too often sought to erase us and insisted
that we belong here, that our voices matter, and that
our stories matter. That courage built the foundation that I
stand on today. So I wanna honor those fifty years
of bold reporting, of advocacy, of mentoring, of opening doors

(02:03:48):
and refusing to look them close behind us. But we
also recognize that that work is far from finish.

Speaker 5 (02:03:56):
In fact, the attacks on black.

Speaker 19 (02:03:57):
Journalism, on the truth, and on our democracy make it
clear that our next fifty years must be just as courageous,
just as relentless, and just as visionary as our first.
I just wanna take a minute to thank my fellow
candidates and to thank our outcoming president, Ken Lemmon. I

(02:04:30):
can tell you from experience, running for this role is
not easy. I guess I'm about to find out that
being in this role is not easy, but it does
take a love for NABJ, and a belief in our
mission to even put your name forward. For those of
you who are not standing up here today, we may
have had different ideas about how to lead, but I

(02:04:52):
wanna say that our shared commitment to this organization is
the thing that matters the most.

Speaker 5 (02:04:58):
So I wanna ask each one of you.

Speaker 19 (02:05:00):
I wanna ask everybody in this room, and I wanna
ask every single member of NABJ to join us now
in unity. We will need all of us together to
meet this moment ahead and the attacks that are outside
that door, not in this organization, because the truth is
that we are facing a time when the forces of

(02:05:20):
erasure and exclusion are working over time to silence black voices,
to distort our history, and to undermine our role as
truth tellers. I said yesterday, NAVJ is the conscience of
our profession.

Speaker 5 (02:05:36):
This is not a time for division.

Speaker 19 (02:05:38):
This is a time for us to lock arms, for
us to advocate fiercely, for us to innovate boldly, and
for us to ensure that NAVJ remains not just relevant
but indispensable, because our next fifty years are gonna be.

Speaker 37 (02:05:53):
Defined by how we respond right now, how we fight
for newsroom equity, how we defend the press, freedom, how
we nurture the next generation, and how we insist on.

Speaker 19 (02:06:06):
Telling the full, unvarnished story of America.

Speaker 13 (02:06:11):
I promise all of you.

Speaker 5 (02:06:13):
I'm going to lead with transparency.

Speaker 19 (02:06:16):
I'm going to listen with intention, and I will act
with the urgency that this moment demands. Together, we will
honor our legacy, not just by preserving it, but by
pushing us forward.

Speaker 5 (02:06:30):
So thank you ANYBJA family, and let's get.

Speaker 18 (02:06:33):
To work on our story, our moment, and our future.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
So, folks, we take over on Sunday, And if you
think we bring the funk right here on this show,
I can guarantee you, Raven, Michael, and Mad we're going
to be bringing the funk on this board and positioning
in ABJ for its next for a second fifty years,

(02:07:08):
real quick. All of your comments raving you.

Speaker 16 (02:07:10):
First, sure, I mean, there's there's so much to hold
in these remarks that were shared with us. I'm particularly
struck by what our brothers said at the beginning, when
he said that, you know, they used to say we
weren't qualified, and now they say we're DEI hires, And really,
what that makes me think of is just the insidious
nature of white supremacy, right. I think we live under
this false supposition that we've had this linear kind of progress,

(02:07:35):
that things have gotten better. They're not perfect, but they've
steadily gotten better, when in fact, it's not that these
technologies of hatred have gone away. They've just become more
savvy in particular ways. You know, they figured out how
to hide themselves in different kinds of crevices and appear
to be benign when in fact they're extremely vile and
foul and virulent. And so I think to both of

(02:07:57):
the speaker's point, just the importance of free press and
the moment when we're seeing tactics taken straight out of
the Nazi playbook right operating in our geopolitical landscape, the
silencing of free press, the defunding of PBS and NPR.
It is more important than ever that black media and
black voices are heard, are funded, are centered. And I

(02:08:19):
think that's why I'm always so excited to come on
your show, Roland, because this is part of that important work.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
Bottom line, Michael, there is no if we think about
if it was fifty years ago when forty four black
journalists convened in DC to found the National Association of
Black Journalists. There were more black people who were actually
at that meeting, but there were a number who were
afraid of losing their jobs and they did not sign
the roster because they did not want their white bosses

(02:08:48):
to know they were there. With Donald Trump in his
FCC ordering companies to get rid of DEI like Pairmountain CBS,
you see them attacking companies to do that. There is
no greater time to have an aggressive National Association of
Black Journalists fighting on behalf of journalists, black journalists and

(02:09:10):
black people than today.

Speaker 17 (02:09:14):
Absolutely, And like you say in your promo, you can't
be black OneD media and be scared, and I would
say you can't be in black media and be scared also,
especially in a time like this.

Speaker 3 (02:09:25):
So journalism and the press, journalism, you know, that's really
like the.

Speaker 17 (02:09:32):
Fourth branch of government, and that helps to keep in
line and put a check on the other three branches
of government.

Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
And a totalitarian move.

Speaker 17 (02:09:43):
Is toedate and try to take control of the press,
take control over media companies, things of this nature. This
is exactly what Donald Trump is doing. So African American
journalists are needed now more than ever. Especially at a
time when you have black social media disinformation agents on

(02:10:07):
social media, and how lies on social media can spread
so quickly, you have to have culturally competent African American
journalists that can reach the people and get the truth
to them also, So congratulations rode On A look to
see what comes this next year. And I need to
join NABJ as well. I've been in media fifteen years,

(02:10:30):
so I need to join NABJ also.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
And in the reality, Matt, Look, we have thirty seven
vendors at our job fair. Normally we have upwards of
one hundred. We are seeing the direct impact of the
attacks on DEI. We probably are going to have, according
to our finance committee, a seven hundred thousand dollars deficit
with this convention because of all the companies that were

(02:10:58):
here last year, they did not returned. To understand, nearly
every black nonprofit in America is being negatively impacted by
the attacks of Donald Trump, MAGA and the Republicans on
DEI and other efforts. These companies, a lot of them
have gives them cover. A lot of them didn't want
to do this in the first place. But I have

(02:11:18):
been consistently saying what we're seeing is an effort to
defund Black America, and this is a moment where we
have to be training the next generation of freedom fighters,
of journalists not to be scared, not to be weak,
not to be impotent, but being willing to stand on
truth and stand up to power. It's it.

Speaker 15 (02:11:38):
I mean, the fact that you have far and few
revengers there this year is a testament to precisely why
NABJ is so important, because you know, right now he's
trying to silence people that are saying things he doesn't like.
So we need the people who are unafraid to continue
speaking truth to power. So congratulations on your election. I
don't know why anybody would ever let you be in
control of anything, but that's a different conversation. But as

(02:12:00):
it relates to NABJ, it is absolutely important, and I
appreciated the continuing this shoulder the mantle to keep us
informed because Michael brings up a great point. I mean,
I don't know the data, but I suspect the vast
majority of people these days get their news from social media, right,
So we need journalists who are out there really telling
the truth and speaking truth to power and counteracting that

(02:12:23):
disinformation that we know is very pervasive in our society
these days.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
So letting mind Matt, he might have missed Matt might
have missed this in my intro visus Bob, fourth time
on the board, Matt, I heard you, so I think
they knew what they were doing yet. I just I
think you might have missed that. So clearly they know
what it means to have me running stuff. Raby, you

(02:12:51):
want to make a quick point, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 16 (02:12:53):
Wanted to jump in there because we're talking about social
media and I am a content creator after all, so
I have a lot of strong feelings about that. And Michael,
I think y'all are both absolutely right that malinformation, disinformation,
misinformation are all rampant online. This is absolutely true, and
I think it's important to highlight that there are folks
like Elizabeth Booker Houston. There are folks like me right
like there are those of us online who are deeply learned,

(02:13:16):
who are researchers, who are moving in ways that are integers,
trying to bring information and news to where people are
wanting to get their information and news from. I mean,
the truth is increasingly people are turning to social media
as a tool to learn about what's happening in the
world and ways that are digestible and understandable. And so
I think there's a really important marrying that needs to

(02:13:36):
happen between traditional media and those of us in the
social media space who are trying to bring some of
that journalists training and research training to those who who
want their information but where they want it. And so
we have to meet folks where they're at. I think
that's really important, right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
Right, fili are folks, are folks are folks. That is
for us. I got go celebrate. So we're gonna go
ahead end this show right now. I got stuff to do.
We got a Sports Task Force party tonight at the
House of Blues. I'm looking to see all my peeps
there again. Let me thank everybody for watching today's show.

(02:14:11):
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Go ahead and think Matt. Let me think they been
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guest host in on Monday. I am flying to La
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(02:14:32):
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