TX Dems vs GOP Redistricting, Maxwell DOJ Talk, Oak Bluffs Legacy, Birthright Ruling & Karen Chaos

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today is Thursday, July twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, coming
up on Roland Martin one Fields and the streaming live
of the Black Starting Network. Texas Democrats are unlikely to
have the votes to shop that GP led or districting effort,
which is up for debate tomorrow, will show you some
of what has already been taking place. Convicted sex traffickers
Julaine Maxwell sat down with Donald Trump's deal jjon discussed

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Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, folks. Texas Governor Greg app But it's called
a special session. Yeah, not about floods, not about property taxes,
but to redraw the Texas Congression districts. Why because Donald
Trump told him to, Because Donald Trump is his daddy.
They want to pick up anywhere from four to five
seats for the next should midterms because they're scared to death.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
They're going to actually lose the House. Now.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
The reality is Texas has a it's majority proof the
Republican they control it all right.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Bottom line is they got the votes.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Democrats can't do anything about it, but they're going to
do all they can.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now. Abbot is now lying. He claims it's about constitutional concerns.
That's literally what he said.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, State Center boards Myles, one of two black state
centers in Texas, my alpha brother, he of course spoke
about this and he called it simply congressional red lining.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Last wrap up question. It's been asked multiple times and
as my colleague mostly just said, we still don't know.
You still have no idea to why we're doing this
with the exception of this letter come from the DEALJ.
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Another reason, Well, the reason we are here today is
because the guy put redistricting, congressional redistricting on the call
on the.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Call, and that's why we're here. Correct, Because we got
it on the call that came from this letter, resulted
from this letter from the.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
That's the purpose, that's the reason we are laying out
this resolution today.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Okay, I think we're saying the same thing. I'm sorry,
I think we're saying the same thing Center as a
result of this letter.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
Well, I can't, I don't. I can't speak for the governor,
and I haven't talked to the governor. What I do
know is that we have a duty to take up
all the issues on the call, to consider all those issues,
and to do that. If we're going to stick with
the tradition of the Senate, then we would need to
pass a resolution like this as step one.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, and.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
This is step one, sat Let me ask you a question.
Do you have any idea Did you really aware that
on this letter from the DJ that there are four
congressional districts listed.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
I have read the letter.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Did you Were you aware that one of those districts
is holy in my district CENTUS thirteen, the second one
is partly majority in my district, and the third has
a slight but I have a slight part of that
one and send District thirteen. Were you aware of that?

Speaker 7 (05:22):
I think you mentioned all that when we talked on
the phone Saturday.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Yeah. I want to know if the body knew. I'm
trying to make sure they understand as well. So let's
repeat that four. There are four districts that's mentioned here
in this DJ letter. Three of them are partly or
holy in my district, sent District thirteen. Do you think

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it's coincidental that's Sena District thirteen, for which three of
these districts are in congressional districts in and that I
sit in. Do you think it's coincidental that it is
the only majority African American district in the whole state
of Texas.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
Again, I don't have any personal knowledge of any of
the facts behind the DOJ letter. All I can tell
you is that I have read it, and that I
then read the response by the Attorney General's Office to
that letter, and that's really all I know.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
And I know when all my colleagues know that you're
a thinking man, you're very intelligent thinking man. And my
question is simple, do you just think it's a coincidence
that three of these districts that I've mentioned on this
DJ letter are in my district the only African American
majority district in the state of Texas.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Again, and I speak in all honesty, I just I
have zero knowledge of any data, any facts, any anything
that the DOJ relied upon to ask their letter to
the governor and to the Attorney General.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
Well, I want to.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Tell you I don't think I don't think it's a coincidence, okay,
And I just want to put that on you in
my colleagues's minds, that I don't think it's a coincidence,
and my colleagues, my former Democratic colleagues, don't think it's coincidence.
And I can assure you my people back home don't
think it's a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
So you're proceeding forward with redrawing the lines, but you
don't have any other information and the data to back
up what you're saying. So now I'm confused. Are you

(07:45):
that stupid?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, you saw Center Miles say you're an intelligent man. No,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
They're doing the bidding of a white supremacist, y'all. A
blind person can see. You were specifically targeting the three
African Americans who are in Congress from Texas, well, the
three Democratic African Americans. You're because you're cool with the
help Wesley Hunt, but he don't have many black people

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in this district. So you're targeting Jasmin Crockett of Dallas,
Mark VC of Arlington, Texas. You're targeting al Green I'm
sorry for you're targeting the seat that's vacant where the
late representative Sivesta Turner, the late congom is Sheila Jackson
Lee has that particular seat, and then you're targeting Sylvia Garcia.

(08:44):
Now I understand, y'all. Sylvia Garcia is the rep for
the neighborhood where I grew up in Clinton Park in Houston.
So there's significant black and Latino population in that congressional district.
So what justification does Abbot have.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean, it's a nicked partisan grab. I mean, they're
trying to simply grab these seats and they want to
shut down black and brown people. And we all know
Trump he hates Jasmincrockett because she'd lighten his ass up.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
So that's what he wants to do. And so.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
These white nationalists, that's what they're doing. And so if
that Republican had any integrity, honor, decency, morals values, he
would have said, this is a nicked partisan intempt. And see,
here's my whole deal. Just go ahead and say that.

(09:48):
I mean, just go ahead and say what it is.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I got more. I don't have any respect for you.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I have a little bit more respect for you if
you just go ahead and just be honest about what
the hell you really trying to do. They don't want
to see black and Latina representation in Congress. They don't
want to see it, period. They don't want to see it.

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My panel, doctor Dolan Haynes, Georgetown University, School of Foreign
Service out of Washington, d C. Doctor Greg carrt Department
OFA for America, stud Is Howard University out of DC,
and are being joined Okay, we'll be joined later by
Robert Tillo, civil rights attorney out of Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean great, this is real clear. I mean this
ain't even ain't even a debate. We know what they're
trying to do.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
And as I keep saying on this show, democrats need
to have the absolute courage to say, Okay, do what
y'all want to do. In Texas, first of all, you're
gonna get sued. Okay, so you're gonna get sued.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Let's be real clear. They lost.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
They lost the Section two case in Louisiana. They lost
Section two case in Alabama. So even with this hard
right Supreme Court Section two hanging by a thread, they've
lost that. I don't know what an argument they can
make where it's not an effort to disenfranchise black and
Latino voters. But this is where Democrats in California, Illinois,

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New York State must respond by saying, Okay, y'all, redraw
the lines. I'm telling you we about the white Republican
districts out in states we control. That's how you have
to respond to these thugs.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
Roland. First of all, I will never retire saying why
this is why this network is indispensable to the moment
we face in American history, because it's a conversation you
won't see anywhere else. You might see someone lose to
some of it. What I'm about to say, I think
you wouldn't find the air anywhere else, and what you

(12:04):
were saying certainly wouldn't. I share your sentiment in my heart.
I share your sentiment in my mind, and I'm crystal
clear I think to the fact that that is the
nuclear option for the federal entity called the United States

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of America. Not only am I not against it, I
personally would love it. Gavin Newsom has begun to gesture
that way, but he wants to be president of the
United States if and when that happens. If when, in
California and New York and other states Maryland decide we're
going to redraw the lines and erase any advantage you

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might think you have in the Confederacy. Then that clears
the way for the dissolution of the United States of America.
It renders the federal apparatus greatly weakened, because the next
step then becomes what is our strategy for withholding tax
dollars so that the starving recipient these welfare states like

(13:09):
Mississippi and Louisiana where most of our people live, no
longer received federal money. I mean, you've blown it up now.
On the other side, I think that's where our brother
Senator Miles was going when he challenged the deeply cowardly
Senator King. There was holding his microphone like the toy,
the protecting thing to kind of protect his courage, at

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which he has very little. He was laying the ground
for exactly the legal challenge that you said. And when
he said he has no prior knowledge, first of all,
he was lying. But even if he wasn't, he's prevaricating
because what he's basically saying is, I wasn't in the
room when they made this scheme. Up, although I know
damn well what they're trying to do. I'm asking asked,
answering very specifically the question you asked. But here's the

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thing finally, and I'm sure you saw the political article
that came out. It was yesterday, maybe the day before.
There's a recent poll that came out of Texas and
when polls, sixty three percent of the people polled instead
of Texas said the Republicans of plant politics that they've
caught a special section session under the guise of dealing
with relief from the floods, and they are using it

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for redistricting. And as a result, thirty was it. Fifty
three percent of the of the likely voters said in
that poll that the legislature was priority redistricting over flood relief,
and sixty two percent of the voters said they were
less likely to vote for a Republican, which brings me
to what you just said at the end. There the

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only thing left that will prevent the nuclear option to
blow up the federal apparatus would be now to do
exactly what you said. Invade those quote unquote red states,
the red districts, those gerrymander districts, and force those people
into the crisis of courage that will extract enough of
them out of their stupor to add with the organized

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voters who were always going to vote for the people
we won in office and destroy the redistricted districts. That
will be the way to do it. The only other options.
Do what you said, and once you do that, there's
no reverse button on the United States. At that point.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
At that point, I think, yeah, I mean, I'm just
sitting here looking at these idiots. I mean, this is
the actual letter that was sent to the governor and
the Attorney General from that absolute travesty of an individual
who occupy who has a civil rights division of the

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Department of Justice. So this is what that idiot says.
This letter will serve as a formal notice by the
Department of Justice to the State of Texas of serious
concerns regarding the legality of four of Texas's congressional districts
as stated below, Congression districts nine, eighteen, twenty nine, thirty
three currently currently constitute on constitutional coalition districts, and we

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urge the State of Texas directed by these race based
considerations from these specific districts.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, now she's.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Trying to now cite Allen versus Mulligan in her reasoning.
And this is why this is hilarious to me. Okay,
this is hilarious to me, and so and what they're
trying to do is, Okay, they're trying to use a
case in Galveston County where they eradicated the districts there, Okay,

(16:23):
that are still going through. So you will see it
says right here, Nola, it is well established that so
called coalition districts run a foul, run a foul the
voting rights that first of all, she forgot of run
a foul of the Voting Rights Act. So the India
doesn't even know how to write. And then it lays
out it is the position of this Department that several

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Texas Congressional district constitutional racial jerry manders under the logic
and reasoning of Pedaway. Specifically, the record indicates that Texas
nine and eighteen Houston voters along strict racial lines to
create two coalition seats while creating Texas twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Majority Hispanic district.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Additionally, Texas thirty three is another racially based coalition district
that resulted from a federal court order years ago get
the Texas legislature through Texas thirty three on the same
lines in the twenty twenty one district team. Therefore, Texas
thirty three remains a coalition district and so please respond
to So this is our meat. Dylan the Assistant Attorney
General Civil Rights Division, really a trash individual, okay, who

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was nothing more than a maga white nationalist supporter.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
So for everybody who's watching at home and listening, let
me walk y'all through something. And we played this video
of a news conference and control room find that video
when Jasmin Crockett was speaking in a news conference. I
think we played it late last week or on Monday.
So let be for people at home and a you're
trying understand something. Texas is sixty one percent minority. So

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the population in Texas is sixty one percent of the
total population Texas. It's Latino, Black, Asian, American, and Ative American.
White people in Texas constitute thirty nine percent of the state.
The reason in the last two census Texas has received

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additional congressional districts is because of the population coming into Texas.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Y'all do realize that.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
More than eighty almost ninety percent of the population growth
in Texas has been because of minorities.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
People of color.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
But with the white nationalists in the Texas in the
in the in the legislature, what they did. They said, Oh,
we're going to create white districts, white Republican districts. Now
here's what's real funny on this whole thing. Noah and

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Beto O'Rourke has actually mentioned this whole thing. Beto has
actually said, Oh, y'all want to play with fire, go
right ahead, because y'all could be endangering some of your
own people. Because the reality is, if you start taking
blocks of black voters.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Out of eighteen, she's.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
The Jackson Lee district Sevester Turney, that's the district of
Craig Washington, of Mickey Leland, of Barbara Jordan. You start
trying to move them some other plate, Oh, it's gonna
be some Republicans in trouble because of voting blocks.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
So that's the game.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
They're also planned and Republicans are even saying, Nola, I
don't know if we want to do.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
This because we might be jeopardizing ourselves.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And what her meat is actually saying to the Republican
white legislature, y'all drew these lines. Republicans have control of
the legislature in Texas for twenty five years now. Democrats
had no authority over this year, so they about to

(20:00):
about to be faf phone if they ain't careful, Nola.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
Yeah, this entire situation. Greg, I'm still processing what you
just said because it was so powerful what you said,
what you want in your heart. But then the reality
of what would happen. I'm still kind of really processing
that that was that was really deep. But you know,
so I look at this two ways. So the very

(20:27):
kind of mark, you know, the marching orders that Trump
goes out and then he sends his minions out and
then they do what King Trump tells them to do,
and then they go out into the world and they
say things like, oh, I really don't know, and he
do all the gas lighting, and you know, dims will
have these very passionate arguments.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I know that they're filibustering.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
You know, they're doing all these things, they're walking through
the policies. They have all these elegant arguments, but you
know that doesn't matter when they've all agreed and signed
a pact, you know, figuratively, or realistically, you know, clearly
they don't care about consequences. They really only care about

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fulfilling the wishes of one individual. And the thing for me,
which is so interesting to your point, Roland about they
about to FAFO, is why they still listen to Trump
to Trump math. You know, A part of this argument
was so many Republicans are scared to push back because
MAGA or you know, white voting Republicans.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Will you know, won't vote for them and they won't
be back in office.

Speaker 9 (21:36):
However, this own, this action that they are taking, could
also shoot them in.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
The foot or the feet, right.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
So I'm just very I'm very kind of like trying
to figure out why such the extreme loyalty, Why hold
on to the Trump math when we've seen numerous times
that MEGA doesn't necessarily guarantee a win and means instances
and then and specifically when we're talking about a minority

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a minority majority in Texas, this move doesn't add up
to me, you know, So I'm just trying to figure
it out.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
You have a better.

Speaker 9 (22:13):
Understanding of you know, congressional congressional districts and the math
and all these things. I need you to help me
understand the math, because the math is not mathing well.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
But here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
So right, this is a Texas Tribune article right here,
a nonprofit enterty says Texas Republicans, including Governor Abbott, were
reluctant to redraw the state's congressional maps.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Then Trump got involved.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, so they're so stupid and there's such weak, impotent
busses punk asses that Abbott did not have the intestinal
fortitude for the Cajones. Tell Trump, Hey, I'm the We

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ain't doing this dumb shit.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
This is stupid. Look at this here.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
The majority of Texas's GP Congression delegation was also worthy
of the idea, with many members concerned that Republican map
drawers could miscalculate and spread their voters too thin, thus
putting their jobs in jeopardy while trying to flip Democratic seat.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Six people involved in internal delegation discussions told the Texas Tribune,
h look at this here.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Trump called him get it done because that's what he
wants to do. And the rally Greg is they don't
know how to tell the thug no. But this is
where I need our people to understand. And we make
this point all the time. That we help them when

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we don't show up. We and everybody listening, there are
more eligible black voters in the state of Texas than
any state in America, more than Mississippi, more than Maryland,

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more any place in America.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
But we.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Help the Republicans when we don't show up. Now, some
of y'all and I saw this story. New York Times
had this big story about how the BAMA coalition is
fracturing and all these different reasons, and it was like, Oh,
black people in Milwaukee are saying, this is what we
haven't gotten from the Democrats. Okay, and a lot of

(24:49):
you simple simons out there, I add you, God, you
never say anything critical about Democrats.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Lie. This is very simple and fundamental. This is extremely simple.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
If I'm comparing the two, and that is who supports
civil rights and who does it, Who attacks DEI, who doesn't,
Who bundles contracts that freezes out black people?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Who does it?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I mean, I could play this game all day long.
I can literally sit here and walk through and make
an argument as to if a generic Democrat is in
office and a generic Republican, which one is.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
More than likely going to side with issues that black
people care about. It's likely going to be a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now, you judge every person based upon what their agenda is.
But the point that people have to understand here, black
people is when we bitching moone, tweet, post on Facebook, Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,
fan base, every social media platform spills spoutable threads. We

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complain about stuff, and we complain about the brother being
beaten by the sheriffs in Jacksonville. I would love to
see the black turnout stats in the sheriff's race in
Duval County.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I don't care if he black, he black. MAGA.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
See the issue we're facing here, Greg, is that we
are being willing participants in our own demise by sitting
elections out and allowing them to be in power.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
That's right, that's right. In fact, Roland, you said, the
major thing that is the most important thing your home
state in many ways in the area of voting rights,
other areas as well, But when it comes to constitutional law,
United States of America and voting rights, Texas, Texas is

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the in many ways. And al Green said that a
couple of weeks ago when we came on the show,
Texas is the kind of Bell Weather and also the
kind of forecaster of what's about to happen to the
rest of the country.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (27:22):
It's interesting in that letter that you read from that
the Department of Justice's strategy is based on Milligan, because
Ali versus Milligan is the Alabama case, as you talked
about when you has war figures on before that, before
the election, when he came to the studio election night,
I mean after election night, if you've been elected. That
is the case of course, as you, as you reminded

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us in Alabama, mirrored in some ways in Louisiana, where
you use Section two of the Voting Rights Act and
applied what they call before Thornbird versus gingles three prong
tests to establish whether or not you assess after a redistrict,
and whether the planner's got to prove that a minority
grew is sufficiently large and geographically compact to constitute a
majority district in a reasonably configured way. Number two, the

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planners must show that the minority group is politically cohesive.
And number three, the planners must show that under the
totality of the circumstances, the political process is equally open
to minority voters. Now, if they put that in that letter,
and they did you read it to us, then Roland,
then Noland. The question is, how do you define minority

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in the state of Texas. You just told us Rowland,
the minority is the whites. Now, what they are doing
is previewing in Texas what they are trying to fight
in the country. They are about to be the minority.
This is the genius of having to study Texas in particular,
and your knowledge of Texas politics to the intimate level
is just gonna grow more valuable moment by moment as

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we turn our eyes to Texas to understand that what's
going on there is a preview of what they're gonna
do everywhere else. Now, two other things very quickly. The
first is Donald Trump is like bb net Yahu. He
will do anything not to stand, not to be in
cheap so he is only after anything that will preserve him. So,
of course they're nervous in Texas. Of course Avid is nervous.
Of course that Senator King fumblingm with that microphone as

(29:13):
brother Miles put that fire on his ass very explicitly.
It's very nervous. Why because they know there's only so
much cracking and packing you can do but for them
people in your district. And finally, coming back around to
where you started a second ago, Roland, the determining factor
will be the majority people in Texas who are non white.
And but here's the problem, and you framed it beautifully.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Brother.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
There's a book I'm reading called meme wars Now which
talks about how disinformation of recent where she could walk
us through a chapter in verse, how disinformation and memes
and all this social media stuff is designed to do
one thing in this country politically, and one thing only.
That is to confuse the people who should now understand
that demographically they are not only on the verge of
political power, they can destroy white supremacy, certainly white nationalism

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in Texas. Our big fight now is to organize and
run over these people like this. Sure crack the district
if you want watch this. All of us gonna vote,
which means whether any of you vote doesn't matter. And
enough of y'all are pissed off. You've got children dying
from floods, you got nobody handling this. Enough of them
gonna vote with us to destroy more districts than them
Hillbillies can ever jerrymander their way into controlling. Those are

(30:19):
the factors that work. But you said the factor when
we vote, we.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Win the thing here, Noah that And while we keep
hitting this, it's not about to expand it. Young voters.
When bette 'roured lost to Greg Abbott for the governor's race,
seventy five percent of voters thirty and under it did

(30:45):
not vote. So the problem in Texas it's not that
Texas is a hard right red state. It is in
unorganized state. It's not been organized, it's not been mobilized.
When Beto Rourke ran, he visited, he hit here's people.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
They're two and fifty four counties in Texas. Democratic Party
only has county parties in eighty.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
One of the tour and fifty four.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So you've got more than the majority of the counties
in Texas that has no Democratic presence. And I'm gonna
take y'all back to twenty twelve. This was the night
Obama got reelected. I'm waiting to go on CNN Chris
then Congressman Chris van Holland standing right next to me,

(31:39):
because he's going on before I am. And now he's
centered Chris van Holland, and I say to him man,
if y'all actually would invest in Georgia and Texas, they
could be purple now now, not gonna happen. And I
was like, excuse me, I said, Representative Van Holland, there

(32:02):
are two point two million eligible but unregistered Latinos in Texas.
I said, you got eight hundred thousand black people who
are unregistered in Georgia. No, not gonna do it, I said,
And that's why y'all gonna keep.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Losing those states. I need people to understand the map.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
When I say understand the map, I need people to
understand this, y'all is if you need two hundred and
seventy electoral College votes to win. Now, let me also
help everybody who's watching so you understand what we're talking
about here.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
The electoral map.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
The number of electoral votes in Texas is the number
of congressional.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Districts in Texas. So you've got forty.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And everybody listening to what I'm saying, Republicans cannot win
the White House without Texas because it has forty. California
has fifty four. When you look at the map, you
look at the map, Florida has thirty. So Florida's thirty

(33:31):
Texas is forty, California is fifty four.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Y'all the reason.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Democrats can bank because they can bank on this right
here being blue. Boom right here, they say that can
be blue. Republicans bank on Texas being red and Florida
used to be purple.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Florida's now red.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
They know you look at all this thing you see
so all of a sudden, if Georgia is blue, oh crap,
look at the numbers. You see what happened when Ohio
became red, When Mission became REDI was constant. I can't
hear Greg greg is talking, so I'll make sure there's
micae zoona.

Speaker 8 (34:12):
I said, I said in North Carolina tooth Cooper, right,
So that's right.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm gonna get that as well.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
You take Virginia, okay, yunkin one Virginia, but the reality
is Virginia is blue.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Folk.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You look at this here, Why are these West? Why
are these Western states so important? Arizona is eleven electoral
College votes, Nevada is six.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
That's seventeen.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I'm just walking you off through like this is
class Okay, So look at the numbers here. Nevada is six,
Arizona is eleven, Georgia is sixteen. That means that Nevada
and Arizona constitute one more electoral College vote than Georgia
seventeen sixteen. Now let's go to the Midwest. Why must

(35:03):
Democrats stop being so focused on Midwest. I'll tell you why. Wisconsin, Minnesota,
and Ohio constitute you see it right there, thirty two
electatoral College votes. But because of population shifts, those three
states are losing population. Illinois is a blue state. Here's

(35:25):
the problem with Illinois. Illinois is losing population. So the
problem nationally that Democrats are going to have is that.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Florida is going.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
To get more people from population. North Carolina is going
to get more people, Georgia's gonna get more and they're
actually moving to Alabama, Mississippi, but also Texas. So the
next census, I need people listening to me very clearly
right now. The next United States Census, the next nine

(35:59):
s they census. It is projected that blue states are
going to lose twelve electoral College votes California, Illinois, New
York State, Michigan, and we'll see what happens with Wisconsin
and what happens with Wisconsin. That's twelve, which means that

(36:24):
you're gonna have to replace the twelve. So this is
not just about who controls the House. This is about
how do you also control the power on the state level.
And So, Nola, what I have been saying to big
money Democrats or progressives or independence whatever you want to

(36:46):
call them, that if they were smart a lot of
them are, they have to be serious. They have to
simply do what the black folks in Georgia did Stacey Abrams,
Warnot and others the New Georgia Voter Project. You have

(37:07):
to literally they have to go into a room and say,
we're gonna allocate one hundred million dollars and we're gonna
move a thousand people into Texas and we're gonna fund
them over the next four years, and we have to
flip three to five hundred thousand votes in the state.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
The voters are there.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
They have to do the exact same thing next door
in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So now, all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
You don't need a one hundred million Louisiana a much
smaller state. But what you are now doing is you
now are attacking what the Republican strength has been, and
that is a lack of organized mobilized voters. And Reverend
Barbara talk about the ninety million who set out that's

(37:58):
how you win. You're not going to win trying to
convince suburban white women to not vote like their husband.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
And listen, here's the thing. The momentum is there. The
momentum is definitely there, especially in the South. I talk
to people all the time who say the same thing.
We are here, we're tired of being ignored and frankly,
we're tired or feeling like we're not elite enough for
the Democratic Party. Those are the complaints I hear over
and over and over again. And Stacy Abram's the work

(38:32):
that they did down there in Georgia, Senator Warnot, the
work that they did that is a blueprint for what
can happen. And if the Democrats do not show up
in this moment, if they do not capitalize on the momentum,
if they do not understand the deep hurt, the deep pain,

(38:53):
I would even argue, you know, I've said this time
and time again, I'm not that interested in Trump's thirty
something thirty US. You know, there's a whole lot that's
going on there with them that's deepprogramming that's deep conditioning.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
There's a lot that's going on there.

Speaker 9 (39:08):
But what I will say for the folks who were
looking for something different, who weren't necessarily maga and who
voted for Trump just because they were they thought it
would be something different from what was happening, they might
be amenable those folks who live in the South to
make a choice to vote for Democrats because they are hurting,
they are suffering, and they also feel betrayed. But I

(39:31):
absolutely agree one hundred percent the way that the party
has thought for far too long that the South is lost,
that it is a fore gone.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
Conclusion, that is not correct.

Speaker 9 (39:45):
You have people who it's the same argument that the
Republicans made the last cycle, on the cycle before that,
especially the cycle before that, that.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
People just want to be seen.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
Now, I don't know if that was just a favorable
talking point, but I I can tell you from my
own experiences from just talking to people all over the country,
they want to be seen and they want to be
engaged with. And I'll just say, you know, one last thing.
When I was canvassing in North Carolina, I saw it
for myself when you would knock on the door and

(40:17):
just simply just spend time with the person. And I
mean beyond just knocking on a door and giving them
some information really really quickly and going on to the
next door.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
I mean spending.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
Time talking about policies, talking about local races, not just
knocking on doors five minutes before an election. It can
be done. The party just needs to have the appetite
to do it, because to.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Your point, we will lose.

Speaker 9 (40:46):
We will lose valuable seats that we need, right and
where will you make those up? I don't know at
what point the party decided that the South wasn't like
a you know, I don't I don't know when that
was exactly decided. I mean I know that it was
you know, a series of things that happened. But that

(41:08):
thinking needs to be reversed, and it needs to be
reversed now because people are genuinely, genuinely hurting, They are
genuinely scared, not knowing what's going to happen. And states
where they are a military basis, you know, states where
there are DoD presence, there are people who not only

(41:31):
have you taken you know they're there. Their funding for
lunch away, head Start and all that and all that,
and thinking that maybe the military might be an option.
With this Secretary Defense, with this president, people are also
rethinking that option. So you have to go there and
give these people options and spend time with them.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So so let me show people this here and again.
And I need be Robert Pazilla Jones right now, and
I'm taking the amount of time I am on this
because I need everybody to watch him and listening to understand. Say,
what we're literally talking about right now is the future
of the country. So this is the Texas county map.

(42:15):
I told you there are two hundred and fifty four counties.
So I'm gonna zoom this in.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Okay, So the most populous county in Texas is right here, Harris.
You see it right here.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Okay, So you go, Harris, you go up Dallas County.
You see Tarrant County right next to it. Tarrant County
is the last major county in Texas that Republicans can control.
Because if we go to the Hill country and we
go where we go where Austin is Okay, right there, Travis,

(42:52):
that's a blue county. Okay, Travis is blue, Dallas County
is blue, Harris County is blue. Is your main counties.
And you got Bear County, which is where Santoni is.
But look at that county that's right next to Harris,
that's called Fort Benn. All right, a lot of black folks,
and say, I need people listening to because I think

(43:12):
we make a mistake.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
A story came out talked about Atlanta no longer than Meca. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
People understand black people are not just living in Atlanta,
the living in metro Atlanta. Black people have changed the
counties around Fulton County. Y'all need to pay attention. I
mean here by listening to what I'm saying. Okay, so
black people are changing Fort Benn County.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Okay, Harris County.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
You got Fort Benn right next to it, all right
now here, this is a New York Times story. And
this New York Times story was done. This was October
twenty third, twenty twenty two. Now you gotta know, I
don't forget nothing.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I want you all to see this here fort in
Fort Benn County, Texas. Things are changing.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
In Hindu temples draw thousands, Farmland is giving way to suburbs,
and some Republicans feel their county.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Is becoming more like majority of minority Houston.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
See, I had an anchor who wouldn't have me on
the show because the white producers didn't like the title
of my.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Book, White Fear.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And I sent this anchor this story, and I said,
that's weird. The New York Times and NPR and Axios
all literally did stories on my book thesis, but your
Pew don't like my title.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Okay, So here's what happened.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
When you look at this here, I want you to understand,
this is the headline. Their America is vanishing like Trump.
They insist they were cheated. The white majority is fading,
the economy is changing, and there's a pervasive sense of

(44:52):
loss in districts of Republicans fought the outcome of between
twenty election.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Now let me go through this story right here. Okay,
Now look at this here. Troy Nails of Texas voted
last year to reject Don J. Trump's electoral defeat. Okay,
that's one of those magga Republicans, y'all. He's from Fort
Being County.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
So you start going through the story. Look at this
right here, boom, second paragraph. The county in recent years
has become one of the nation's most diverse, where the
former white majority has fallen to just thirty percent of
the population.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
You go up through this story. Look at this here.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Don Demo said his parents raising to be color blind,
but the reason for the discontented was clear. Other white
people in Fort ben quote did not like certain people
coming here. It's race.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
They are old school. Look at this here.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
A shrinking white sea of the population is a hallmark
of the congressional districts held by the House Republicans who
voted to challenge mster. Trump's defeat shows how white fear
of losing status shaped the movement to keep him in power.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But they didn't like my book, which is called white fear.
Look at this here.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Portion of white residents dropped about thirty five percent more
over the last three decades in those districts.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
You keep reading this story, you keep seeing this story.
Oh things change, But I'm going to show y'all something
in this story. And again, stuff just sort of sticks
out in my mind when I see these stories. M
of the twelve Republican hell district that swung to minority white,
almost all California and Texas ten were represented by objectors.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
H m, h keep going.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Lawmakers who objected were also represented among the seventy Republican
held district of the lowest percentage of college graduates. Okay,
let's keep going. Look at this here, start looking at numbers. Okay, numbers. Now,
in the same story, it talks about the percentage in Texas.
It talks about, oh, how things change, It talks about

(46:56):
the people moving in. There was a quote from somebody
in this story, worry who literally said, well, damn, we
don't want to come become like Harris County. What they're
saying is we do not want to be black and brown.
That's what this story is saying. Okay, look at this

(47:17):
right here, the same distrustful feelings about the last election,
he said. Democrat Democratic elites in the big cities. They
love saying the big cities, but guess guess what blue
counties seventy one percent.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
First of all, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Sorry, Blue counties in America provide seventy one percent of.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
The GDP to America.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So they love shitting on blue cities, but they love
blue money.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Republicans hate black people in Jackson, Mississippi, but guess what Jackson,
Mississippi funds the state of Mississippi. MM.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So the point I'm trying to walk through, Robert here,
y'all experienced this in Georgia. Georgia was controlled for the
longest by rural white conservatives, and it wasn't until rural
blacks were organized when they changed the law to automatic

(48:15):
voter registration. It was like twenty eight percent of twenty
two twenty percent of the state wasn't a registered automatic
graduation it drop.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
To two percent.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Then you begin to see it wasn't just Fulton County.
You begin to see black folks flexing power in the
surrounding counties.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
But it had to be.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Georgia had to change because it was a mix of
city and rule. So the blueprint for Texas, for Louisiana,
for other places is that you have to recognize you
can't just talk to black people in big cities. You
must organize and mobilize it in rural cities, rural towns.
But also most important, Robert, that is we have to

(48:56):
go to black people. Listen Obama war in North Carolina
Boy fourteen thousand one to vote because black people in
those rural towns they actually voted. We have to get
our people to understand the moment we set out a
single election we're literally writing our own obituary.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
You're absolutely correct. And a big thing that thing people
have to realize is that the thing that changed in
Georgia is that we started campaigning on local issues and
local areas. You can't run the same campaign and Brunswick,
Georgia that you're going to run in the Bronx are
of Brooklyn or in Georgetown in Washington, DC. You can't

(49:34):
be down in Lounges County talking about San Francisco talking points.
And what we end up with the national campaigns is
this silent, single voices that are outside the orthodoxy of
what the consultant class tells us we're supposed to be
talking about. So in the last election cycle, we were
down in Georgia talking to young black men, you know,

(49:55):
just kind of hanging out, trying to motivate them to vote,
to vote, but there was nothing in the national party
platform that they felt taught directly to them. And of
course you can dig down into things and find points
of that, which we did, but they wanted to hear upfront,
loud and outside what they cared about, and that's what
motivated them. Look what Trump did on the other side

(50:16):
of the aisle He was able to pull in people
who have never been conservative a day in their life
because he spoke the language they wanted to hear. He
addressed the issues that they cared about. So for the
party orthodoxy, I think that they're going to have to
have a soul searching moment where they leave the big cities,
they leave the cocktail parties, they leave the Ivy League institutions,
and they go talk to the actual people that they

(50:37):
want to vote for them, and then they put policies
in place that will affect them and will motivate them,
and then magically, those people turn out and vote for
you once they actually believe in what you're saying. Is
not some sort of mountain that we have to climb.
This is the type of gratitude advocacy that we've been
doing in the black community since the nineteen fifties and

(50:59):
nineteen six We've been able to address these local issues.
We've been able to deal with these issues and communities
that may not agree with every part of the greater
agenda and convincing that we're fighting towards a greater good.
But then, lastly, when Democrats are in power, do what
President Trump is doing right now, for his base. He
is going chapter and verse everything he said he was

(51:21):
going to do for them. He's just doing it. There's
no excuses, there's not questions, there's not oh, we have
to wait two or three more election cycles.

Speaker 8 (51:30):
Politics aren't right.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
So when Democrats are back in power, if you want
young black men voting, address the issues they tell you
they want addressed. If you want rule Black America voting,
address the issues that they want you to address. Don't
start forcing what you think the issues need to be
on them. Address their issues and they will turn out.
If you build it, they will come.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
So so let me say this and no, I'm going
to move on again. It was not my intention to
do a whole hour on this, but it just happened.
This is the piece that again and I need black
people to really.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Understand and remember y'all when I.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Did the breakdown, when I said I'm sicking hearing people
talk about.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
They tired Greg. This is the thing that folks gotta get.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
If you step back and actually study black communities, the
reality is that there was a group of black people
who were really responsible for mobilizing and organizing black communities.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
In many ways.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
The structure was the Black church, it was the NAACP,
and it was other black organizations. When Black Lives Matter
begin to really rise up, I remember having a lot
of conversations the folks who were complaining about the organizations

(53:03):
and the churches, and folks would say, no, we're moving
towards decentralized leadership. And they were talking about all these
different things, and I said to them, all that sounds great,
but somebody got to make a decision. So here's where
we are. And this is not talked a lot about

(53:27):
in Black communities. It's not talked about that generation is
becoming ancestors.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
So the problem is you.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Had an infrastructure that was three sixty five that to
Roberts point grig they worked the city council election, the
school board election, the county commissioner's election, the DA's race,
judicial racis, state rep. State send it gublatorial house, you

(54:02):
has sent it President. And what is happening is a
younger generation has said, oh, we don't need to do
that stuff because we've got social media. But here's the problem.
You don't control the algorithm.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
So when you are having town halls, community meetings, precinc blocks,
precinc captains going door to door doing those things. You
are literally touching your people. You don't know if you're
talking to a real black person or a bot on

(54:48):
social media.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
And so when we talk.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
About because in the last five elections, we've seen they
drop in black turnout. So what I need all of
us to understand is, and again, I mean you, it
was in my parents as an example, my dad turned
seventy eight in April. My mom turned seventy eight in November.
They worked the polls, they worked elections, they ran phone banks.

(55:13):
It did all that stuff when they were in their
late twenties and thirties. So you're talking about fifty years
of community activism.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That has to be replaced.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
And that is a major reason why our communities not
Robert is right, Nolah's right, not just democratic policies, but
our communities are not organized and mobilized because the infrastructure,
the people leading it are passing away and retiring and

(55:47):
they're not being replaced by the next generation.

Speaker 8 (55:52):
It's true, Rod, It's absolutely true, and.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
It can be reverse.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
You know, brothers, and I knew you gonna evoke your
parents who you went and pole worked with and watched
them pole work as a child, as a young man.
Texas man, I keep coming back to Texas. You know
the tale of two doctors, both of whom went to Maharry,
Lawrence Nixon, y'all know the Supreme Court case Emigency of
the voting rights case out of Texas, Nixon versus Hurting

(56:19):
Herndon and uh and your brother, doctor Lonnie Smith, Lonnie Smith,
the Smith versus all Right case right there out of Houston.
I tell you, brother, listen, if y'all ever in Houston,
you got to go by the Gregory School, the old
Gregory School, which is a museum. They have a beautiful
exhibit which walks people through exactly what you just be saying.

(56:40):
Both these brothers NAACP. In the case of doctor Smith,
you know, he went to Prairie View. I think I
think Nixon went to Wilie College. But at any rate,
both of them, and then they both went to Mahary
for medical school. Both at doctors one of Dennis, and
they were organizers on the ground doing that work. And
this is at a period the NAACP and black folk

(57:02):
in Texas have been at war with the white boys
in the Texas Democratic part for twenty years. It took
twenty years that was in the courts. But when you organize,
you can break their backs. And I mean I come
forward to twenty twenty five. How can we reverse this?
Not just to HBCUs right now and Howard, all the
young people are up in arms because there's been an
increase in tuition, people talking about they don't have the money.
All that's going on. But guess what it isn't just

(57:25):
on Howard University or any of all our agedbcus. How
about all the historically black high schools and elementary schools
and middle schools, and for that matter, all the community
organizations that could organize and educate our young people to
reconnect not to the broad tradition, as you say, but
to the very local tradition. Finally, Robert Brother, I thought
about you this afternoon when the news came down that

(57:48):
Guerrilla's family called and said its mody broke in our house.
And then people from Fortsyth County. The police went out there,
found weed and arrested Gorilla. And the whole point is this.
You walk in the streets in Georgia, we're walking to
streets anywhere we are in the DC suburbs, you can
walk across the street and go to the dispensary and
show your ID and get whatever you want weed gummies.

(58:08):
In Georgia they got Glorilla locked up because she and
forts like county And I'm almost looking on social media
and young people said, what the hell you doing in
for psyche Gunny. That ain't the point, tim, young brothers.
You hanging out with Robert before you get into a
philosophical debate and talking about voting rights and the concept.
He said, Man, don't y'all want to decriminalize We don't
you want me able to walk in this? Yeah, you
need to get y'all house out there and read to

(58:29):
the vote. You can turn Texas Blu Tomar if you
listen to those young people and talk to them. And
I'm wondering if finally the arrest of Guerrilla today might
have more of an effect on what happens in Georgia
in the electa electoral cycle, if we're smart enough to
meet the people when they are than any other thing
I can think of immediately to get those young voters.
But I thought about you, man, because I said, Robert

(58:49):
wouldn't know how to make use of this. And on
that point of Glorilla.

Speaker 10 (58:54):
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free to reach out to the Patrol Long Group for
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To your point the card.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
Imagine if in the.

Speaker 10 (59:10):
Last election before that, Joe Biden had just decriminalized marijuana,
which he had the power to do, you win the
twenty twenty four election.

Speaker 8 (59:21):
So that's what I mean when I say you've got
to show and prove, show and deliver.

Speaker 10 (59:24):
Give the people what they want when they want it,
because they want it all the time is not magic,
It's not which cram.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
If you give people what they want, they vote for you.

Speaker 10 (59:32):
Trump understands that the politics is transactional by his very nature,
and got the car. One of my co workers, Kennedy Shelton,
is one of your students, and she wanted me to
mention to you that part of the reason that you
are so real as a professor is that you give
these young people life lessons they can use forever. And
politicians need to understand you're not just trying to win

(59:53):
the next election. You're trying to win the hearts and
minds of a generation. We're gonna have a generation of
magas we need to generate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I gotta go. I gotta go to a break
with folks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
The next conversation, Uh, it's gonna be really unsettling for
a whole lot of black people. And when we come back,
we're gonna talk about why the black people bitch and
mom to a black owned business about the cost of
a shirt, pants, or pair of shoes, but they will

(01:00:27):
willingly spend two three, four, five times as much money
on something made by white people, and no money ever comes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Back to the black community.

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living your very best life. How to take a bow
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Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Hello, I'm a Rissa Mitchell. I do thank her at
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Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Hey, what's up in Stammy Roman? And you are watching
Roland Martin unfiltered?

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Been frozen out.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
Facing an extinction level of vets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
We don't fight this fight right now, You're not going
to have black on Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
This segment is called Where's Our Money? And normally in
this segment we're talking about where's our money when it
comes to businesses, advertising agencies, things along those lines. And
the base of this is so the Cincinnati Black Agenda
when they had a boycott in Cincinnati. I spoke there

(01:03:36):
years ago and they gave me this shirt. So on
the back I said Cincinnati Black Agenda. So the mississ
I mean at least ten years ago, and it says
where's our money? Okay, So we're always demanding that. So
when I challenge y'all on saying Costco, y'all support DEI,
but how many black owned products are actually carried in Costco?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
All black folks got in they feelings, man, we can't
be Costco.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I didn't even mention a Boycott. I literally just said,
can we ask ask the question and answer it? How
many black owned companies have products carried in costco? Now
check this out. We as black people, we are the

(01:04:24):
most brand conscious people in anybody else. Lord, we love
us some brands we love us. Nike, we love we
love talking about we see in these commercials Versachi, Polo, Lauren.
I mean, we can name all of them. So the

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other day, Ralph Lauren rolls out this big announcement that
they are celebrating black folks going to Martha's vineyard, oh
bluff the ink well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
And they came out with a line of clothing that
celebrates this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Now we know about that history that one of the
brother who's the designer at Ralph Lauren, he's a more
House graduate.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
And people are like, oh, yeah, look at that. They're
celebrating our culture.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And they came out with a line of clothing Morehouse
Spellman vintage clothing from back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Stop right there. So you see it starting on stop
stop not go go down, go to God. I wish
I wanted to be the tennis rackets. So people like, oh,
look at that. I mean back in the day, how
we used to dress up and they got the more
House logo and the Spellman logo. So now they got
this new clothing line, and oh my god, it's exciting.
It's absolutely exciting. They're limited edition.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Design of collaboration with the graduates and Morehouse, Spellmans, Morehouse
of Spelman getting a check from this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I'm just curious, just curious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
See, it's no different than when Macy's was showcasing these
colorful outfits of peeking green and blue and gold and
red and white and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Blue and white.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
And I was like, the D nine groups get any
checks from that, or we're just buying clothes from Macy's
because the sister who was over that unit is a
D nine member and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Sid y'all see what I'm talking about. So check this out.
Wrath Lawn ain't cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Wraph Lawn charging a whole lot for that, and y'all know,
we'll sit here and we'll spend three, four, five, six,
eight hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You take Martha's Vinyard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Martha's vina used to be a place where a handful
of black folks went been going there for decades, summer
vacation families growing up. Marthless Vineyard now has turned into
the Black Disney World. It's so many Negro events at
Marthless Vigneyard And.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
First let me clee.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Y'all gonna never see me because I ain't trying to
see nobody. I know when I go on vacation, I
ain't trying to have no list of win the Wayne House.
I've been invited by so many people. It ain't happened,
so stop asking me. But the reason I'm wearing this
shirt wears our money is that's literally what black own

(01:07:34):
companies are saying. But it is my next guest. Landry Spent,
CEO found of Actively Black. So he posted a video
today and I saw it and I said, YO, get
him on the show. I ran into him of the
airport in Houston a couple months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
And this is what he said. He said.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
He said they announced a partnership with black farmers where
they would source the cotton.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Oh, I need y'all listen to me. They were gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Source the cotton from black farmers for their products, which
would mean actively black, black owned black farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
All throughout the supply chain, black people getting paid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
And they got hundreds to thousands of emails and social
media Why does this shirt cost sixty dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Why does it cost this? But we even gonna ask twice? Well,
in fact, we ain't even gonna ask Ralph.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Lauren how much is that sweater? We gonna say, ring
it up, Lanny Joneses right now, bruh. When I saw
the video, I said, because I for you, I think back,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Get you, sucker. Chris Rock, how much for order ReBs?
Isaac Hayes gives them? Not? Can I hit one?

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
We walk into black stores? Hey, partner, how much is
this here? We never asked Walmart that. Walmart say it's
a scanner right there, put that Cure cod underneath it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Whatever. That number shows that much that shirt is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
But we want the hookup, we want the we want,
we want the lower price. But then we turn around
and complain about lack of our black businesses. So I
felt you one hundred percent when you dropped that video. Bro.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I mean, it's it's
something that you know, I wasn't just speaking for myself.
I wasn't just speaking for actively black. I was speaking
for so many black business owners that deal with this,
you know constantly where it seems as though our people

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don't value us the way that we value other people's.

Speaker 12 (01:10:12):
Goods, and you know, it's problematic, you know what I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:10:16):
It's like, you know, I talked about the Ralph Lauren
collection and gave props, you know, to those HBCU alum
that are over there that created that collection. The collection
is beautiful. Don't have no problem with them or the collection.
But to your point, they had a shirt that's they
have a shirt that's one hundred and twenty eight dollars,
and so I was just really confused as to how

(01:10:39):
we get so much pushed back and criticism for our
shirt that's sixty dollars, asking why it costs so much,
and when you look at the data, when you look
at the data, Mackenzie released a report last year that
showed that Black America spends thirty billion dollars annually on

(01:11:00):
apparel and shoes. That's every year we're spending thirty billion dollars.
And it was showing that the trend is actually growing.
So by twenty thirty two, I think it's gonna double.
And it made me think we don't have a single
black owned apparel brand that's worth a billion dollars, but
we collectively are spending thirty billion dollars a year on apparel.

(01:11:21):
And you know, we've taken the stands with actively Black
from the beginning that we were not asking for a
seat at the table. We're building our own table. But
we need our people to collectively build that table with us,
you know what I mean? And when I think about
what we've done from day one in the community. We
launched on Black Friday twenty twenty, on Giving Tuesday, we

(01:11:45):
were donating, so less than a week of our brand
being in existence, we were already donating back into the
black community. Come on, and so you know, if we're
circulating our dollars back into the black community, then buying
from us is really supporting us, right, I mean, when
we spend this money with everybody else, it don't come

(01:12:07):
back to us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Well, hold on, I want you, I want you, I
want to I want to put a pause that because
I need people to I need people to really understand
what we're talking about. Yep, what you're talking about is
because again I like being real specific, you're talking about
black graphic designers, black printing company, black transportation company.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Black caterer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
When I talk about set done by black folks, missial
lighting system, black green screen, black control room, black, I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Can go through the whole deal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So that means you're supporting a black owned company that's
in turn supporting black owned companies, that's in turn employing
black people, that's feeding black family, Black families, that's providing
families to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
See it's that, that's actually what it what it does.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
So when the sister, so, when the sister was the
makeup artist at TV one comes to me when the
show got cancer, Roland gotta thank you. She's like why,
she said, well, because working on your show allowed me
to buy my first house.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
That's the sister who Lada doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Lada doesn't make up for Supreme Court Justice Katanji Brown Jackson,
so brown. When Katanji Brown Jackson was in vogue, she
was made up by sharing and so people saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Well, man who did her makeup called sharing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So she's now gotten deals because but that was because
she got hirt of my show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
That's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
And so what we what you're saying, what I'm saying
is is Ralph Lauren giving back that quickly? Are they
who are they hiring? See we look we celebrate one
or two black people. Oh man, they desired us of
Ralph Lawn. Yeah, but it's Ralph law and nothing is
ral law.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
But it's Ralph.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Lauren reinvesting in black the community is like actively.

Speaker 12 (01:14:01):
Black right right.

Speaker 15 (01:14:03):
And I'll say this. I said it in the video.
Ralph Lauren committed to two million dollars to twelve HBCUs
over a span of five years. It's on their website
right now.

Speaker 12 (01:14:14):
You can go see it.

Speaker 15 (01:14:15):
And I said, now, when you do the math, two
million dollars divided by twelve schools is one hundred and
sixty six thousand dollars. And then when you divide that
over a five year period, it's thirty three thousand dollars
per school per year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:14:29):
That's a light bill for one Ralph Lauren's store, you
know what I mean. Lawn, I've given billion dollars a year.
That's what their annual revenue is. It's seven billion dollars.
So in reality, if you calculate the prices that they're
selling that apparel at when black people went and bought
that first HBCU collection that they released, that's the money

(01:14:51):
that they just gave back to y'all in thirty three
thousand dollars per school.

Speaker 12 (01:14:54):
That's really what that was.

Speaker 15 (01:14:55):
They're not actually there's no sacrifice, there's nothing coming out
of now what they profit to actually give back to
our communities. And that's the point that I was trying
to make is actively black. And twenty twenty three, we
did five million dollars in revenue and we donated five
hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 12 (01:15:12):
That's ten percent of our entire revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
So if you're compared to Rep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Lauren Repp, Lauren does seven billion, they give away seven
hundred million.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
That's tame ten percent.

Speaker 15 (01:15:24):
See that's what the equivalent would be, seven hundred million,
but they're giving away two million over the span of
five years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Last year, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I think we did three point eight million last year
and I gave way turn fifty thousand two black organizations.
And that's who don't understand now, see let's check this out. Yeah,
go to my iPad. So this is Dapper Dan, Dapper
Dan well known in Harlem. How he was redesigning stuff

(01:15:58):
and not without permission.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
So louis Gucci. So what happened? Dapper Dan does a
deal with Gucci.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Oh, it's celebrated, but guess what Dapper Dan said land
he gave an interview, he said, I had to do
the deal with Gucci because my own people were never
going to pay the price for my products if it
didn't have Gucci on it, if it just had Dapper Dan,

(01:16:30):
they wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
And so that's what your video is said.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
We as black people, we talk about the black tax,
the black tax that black.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Businesses have to confront.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
When we as black people, we applied the same black
tax to our own businesses.

Speaker 15 (01:16:51):
Yep, yep, and that lack of you know, I gave
the analogy that we're comparing black owned businesses. The things
that you constantly hear is whether it's the quality, the
customer service, all those different things, right that you're comparing

(01:17:11):
to these multi billion dollar brands, right.

Speaker 12 (01:17:14):
And it's a situation where.

Speaker 15 (01:17:17):
How can a black brand scale to the point where
they have the resources to now hire a full customer
service team boom, where they can improve the quality of
their product, where they can do all of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Damn, why it takes so long for y'all stuff to come?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Well, there's a reason why you can order at eleven
o'clock at night and that product for them is going
to shift at seven o'clock the next morning, because you
have an entire infrastructure behind that to service those orders.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
When opposed to what you, I mean like, that's that's right.
So you trying to compare you, trying to compare me to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Them, and as your point, they do seven million, you
do it five million, and you're like, yo, why you
aren't the same.

Speaker 15 (01:18:00):
And not only that, not only that, but the inventory.
In order to have ready made inventory that can ship
out immediately, that means a company has to front that
and buy that inventory ahead of time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
And now and now because of tars. Now, because of tars,
your cost has now gone up. I was talking to
a sister and she has a lot of different products
for she has a lot of different products. She said,
Roland fed X wanted me to give them the full

(01:18:38):
eighty thousand dollars check for they would even deliver the
product for.

Speaker 12 (01:18:42):
Their even delivery the ts yep yep. And And so
when you think about.

Speaker 15 (01:18:51):
Sometimes the time that it may take for a black business,
especially in their peril game, it's like the risk and
the cash flow that it would take to order all
of this inventory ahead of time. And you've got to
guess how much do I need in each size? How
much do I need in each color. So what we
do to try to for a solution is we put
it up for pre order to let everybody who wants

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to order order what you want in the size that
you want. Now, if it's pre order, that means that
product doesn't start getting made until after we collect the orders.

Speaker 12 (01:19:22):
Then you have the issues of what's taking so long?

Speaker 15 (01:19:25):
Why does it take us I get mine from Nike
or I get mine from whoever really fast? And it's like, Okay,
do you not understand that we do not have the
capital resources to invest and take that risk of buying
a million dollars worth of inventory up front to sit
there and be ready to ship to you immediately.

Speaker 12 (01:19:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 15 (01:19:44):
And you know another thing that I've tried to educate
our audience on is black business owners receive less than
one percent of all venture capital investment.

Speaker 12 (01:19:53):
I want to make sure people understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Hold up, black businesses receive less than one percent of
all venture capital. But venture capital is based upon the
pension funds of public workers, and a significant number of
them are.

Speaker 15 (01:20:10):
Black, correct, correct, So whereas our white counterparts are able
to go start a business and with an investment of
multiple million dollars, so they can go to friends and family.
And there's several stories of founders who have been able
to gather up a couple million dollars from friends and

(01:20:31):
family to start their businesses. What I'm trying to get
our people to understand is these brands that you're comparing
us to are the skyscrapers that you can already see.

Speaker 12 (01:20:40):
They are the shining buildings that you can already see.

Speaker 15 (01:20:42):
But when you see how a skyscraper is built, when
they first start constructing a skyscraper, they dig one hundred
and sixty feet down in the ground and that's where
they start building the foundation from.

Speaker 12 (01:20:53):
And it takes a while before you even break ground,
and then it.

Speaker 15 (01:20:56):
Takes a while before that thing is finished, and then
you can see the shine building that that comes to that.
What happens is most black on brands is we're building
from under the ground. Yep, we're building from below zero,
and we don't get the grace and the support for
us to last long enough to even break the surface,
you know what I mean. And so that's what we're
asking for, is so I'm not asking you to accept

(01:21:18):
subpar service or subpar products.

Speaker 12 (01:21:20):
I'm not asking you for that.

Speaker 15 (01:21:22):
We're asking for the grace to understand that we need
that time to grow into what has become of these
other brands. Nike's fifty five years old, Ralph Louren, I'm serious,
at what seventy five years old? These are brands that
have been around for decades now. If you go back
to the time when those brands were started, do you
think that there were any black entrepreneurs that were getting

(01:21:44):
the business loans that they were getting. I've read Shoe
Dog at least five times. That's the memoir by Phil
Knight about the beginnings of Nike. Phil Knight was able
to go was able to get eight different bank loans
to bankroll the start of Nike because they were not
profitable and he needed another loan to last and another
loan to last. How many how many black business owners

(01:22:06):
do you think would be able to acquire that type
of capital to last for years without being profitable, but
you're still supported so you can grow to.

Speaker 12 (01:22:14):
Then become Nike, You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:22:16):
So what we're saying is we need that grace while
we're in these building stages that maybe it don't look
pretty all the time.

Speaker 12 (01:22:23):
There's growing pains that we got to go through.

Speaker 15 (01:22:25):
But if you don't stick with us during this time,
we can't ever get to being what these other brands
have become. And when you think about the buying power,
the collective buying power of the black community, we don't
get We don't have to wait for reparations for this
to happen. We're already spending the money, So why not
spend it with brands that are that are actually for

(01:22:46):
us and by us, and are circulating those dollars back
into our community.

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
That's that's, that's all we asking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
He's a perfect example. You can till I warn these shoes,
so we hit. We featured rock I'm gonna go to
our panels too with questions. Next we feature Rock Deep
Global on this show. And I have worn these black
and gold shoes. They may all around the country. Man, folks,
stop man, man, those are fire.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I mean, I've gotten more compliments on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
These these shoes than any pair of black and gold
Nikes I have. Here's the problem, Rock Deep Global don't
have a capital. The problem is I talked to the brother.
He said, man in the athletic shoe game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
You gotta have so many skews, you gotta have so
many colors, you gotta have so many sizes. And guess what.
I just sat here and I pulled up I was
googling something and boom, somebody drops the video. It's rock
deep global. Are they stealing from customers? And so it
happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
And so what happens is a black owned company like yours,
you now gotta deal with folk.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Are you stealing? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
What's taking all this sort of stuff along those lines?
And yet we will sit here and tear a black
owned business down. It's different if someone is offering a
customer service critique. But what we're seeing, what we are seeing,
and what happens is when we're talking about how we

(01:24:20):
will spend actively spend crazy amounts of money with white companies,
and man, we good, but to your point, will go, Man,
I ain't spending sixty dollars on that shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Man, I got I've got some not I've got some
Nike shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
I'm going through Dick's Sporting Goods and I'm like that
shirt seventy two dollars right right, and those those pants
at eighty four dollars.

Speaker 15 (01:24:50):
And on top of that, Roland. The other thing that
people need to understand is the economies of scale. Right,
so because Nike is doing I think Nike does fifty
billion in revenue, so the amount of product that they move,
everybody can understand, you get you get a discount for
bult buying. Right when they're getting their product from their manufacturing,
they're getting it at low prices, so they're actually overcharging

(01:25:14):
us based on what they're actually able to get their
product for. For black OneD brands, we're not moving that
type of volume, so that means it actually costs us
more to make the same product, you know what I mean,
And so our profit margins are much much thinner. So
when you're not when when when we're pricing at what
we're pricing it at, it's because in order for us

(01:25:35):
to provide a quality product, in order for us to
pay black people a livable wave, in order for us
to then give back to our community and make a profit,
how do you expect us to be able to do
that if we don't price our product at a place
where we can make that profit.

Speaker 12 (01:25:51):
Because here's the here's the issue we're facing that with actively.

Speaker 15 (01:25:54):
Black the brand has been growing at such a fast
rate that we have been behind and keeping up with
the right. If we charged what we really should charge
for our product, we would have more profit margin that
we could reinvest into ordering more inventory so we could
meet that demand. But if we have to be slim
on our margins, yeah, where is where's that? Where's that

(01:26:17):
buffer that we can then go buy more inventory to
meet the demand, We're having to recycle our profits right
back into inventory.

Speaker 12 (01:26:24):
You know what I'm saying, And so you know, some
of it is, some of it's education, Some of it is.

Speaker 15 (01:26:31):
Our audience needs to understand what happens in the supply chain,
what it costs to actually do the business, and as
there's a lot of them that don't know. But even
if you don't, what my message is is that we
should value ourselves more than what anybody else is doing.
And when you think about even some of those high

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end luxury brands, a study just came out not too
long ago. It said seventy five percent of luxury space
is being made by middle class in low on the
sociomic still seventy we spending the money with everybody else,
We're just not spending it with us, and when you
actually peel back them layers, half of that Italian leather

(01:27:16):
is actually coming from Africa. You see something that's made
in Paris made. Guess what, France don't have no gold mines.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I said that gold come.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
If you can see grid card right now, he bot
to explode through the screen.

Speaker 12 (01:27:30):
The gold come from Africa, the diamonds coming from Africa.
The leather's coming from Africa.

Speaker 15 (01:27:34):
You what you're over paying for thinking that this is
aspirational to be like somebody else is actually coming from you.

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
It's actually coming from us.

Speaker 15 (01:27:44):
They steal the culture, repackage it and sell it back
to us, and we're willing to pay a premium to
feel better about ourselves because we're wearing somebody else's stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:27:55):
You don't know the whole time you are. The sauce
and the seasoning that they selling.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
This is on the actually black website. I'm gonna go
to my panelists next. It says right here hundre percent
organic black grown cotton, Premium cotton made in America, sustainable
from the seed to the stitch, dirt to the shirt.
You see right here and again Premium cotton made from

(01:28:20):
cotton grown by black farmers folk. That means they are
supporting black farmers. We keep talking about losing black land,
support our black farmers when they getting their federal money.
So when you buy actually black product, you are sitting
here also supporting the black farmers. Let's go to our
panelis let's go to I'll start with you, Nolah this.

Speaker 9 (01:28:45):
I've really been wanting to talk about this since the
news dropped about the Old Bluffs Ralph Lauren Line for
a lot of reasons. And thank you so much for
everything that you said and all the love and attention
that you put into your clothes.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
I think is very special.

Speaker 9 (01:29:02):
I think it's definitely needed, and I definitely understand all
the growing pains. I understand supply chain problems. Uh, you
know all the things my two points are. And there's
a question in there, you know. Unfortunately, I think about
this the way that I think about our current situation

(01:29:23):
in politics. The folks who you want to educate, the
folks who are buying the high end, they're not paying
attention to the narrative and the story and the details
because they're more interested in the status. They could care
less about the care and attention that's going into the
clothes making, you know, or that the dollars are going
back into the black community. Unfortunately, this is where we are.

(01:29:47):
We are in this very strange impasse right now. I
argue with integration, you know, because a lot of what
we're arguing for is really infrastructure for very black lived lives,
you know, very kind of insular and segregated lives, which
is the world in which I grew up and in

(01:30:07):
New Orleans. So I think that's one part of it.
And then another part of it is, you know, going
back to the status issue. I remember I thought I
was doing something when I was in grad school in
Boston and I bought a north faced jacket and very
quickly when I got there, I was like, you know,
they were like, oh, okay, you must be cold with

(01:30:27):
that little jacket on. I'm like, you know, I I
didn't know about a brand called Canada Goose. You know,
I didn't know about the thousand dollars weather coat, you
know what I mean. And so again it goes back
to this whole thing about status, about how does the
world perceive you. Do they perceive you one way in
a north Face and do they perceive you another way
in the Canada goose right. So while it is some

(01:30:51):
of these things that you all listed, we have to
figure out how to take that status away, you know,
from people who feel like that piece of clothing make
them feel special.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Yeah, it is cotton. Here, it is cotton is cotton.
I mean I honestly, honestly your point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
But no, no, no, no, no, no no no no,
hold hold up, no seriously, here's my whole point. You
say we got to figure out how to take the
status away. We first we what we have to train
our people on is is very simple that that shoe,
that shirt, that pair of pants, that jacket, that tie

(01:31:33):
has nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Your personal worth. It's it's it's but it's, but it's here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
What has happened is we have been such a subjugated
people that our deal is well if it ain't got nothing,
I'm clean and so all man, you wearing at Versace.
I don't own age shit in my house. I ain't

(01:32:03):
never ever in my life bought a damn thing that's Gucci,
Louis Vasachi.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Ain't none of them brands.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Because my worth is here and not some shit that's
gonna I'm gonna throw away in a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
It's literally psychological.

Speaker 12 (01:32:26):
That's so Roland. That's what I wanted to touch on.
I want to touch on we.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Gotta reprogram black.

Speaker 15 (01:32:31):
America got a deprogram and then reprogrammed for sure. And
that's that's that's part of what my mission for Actively
Black is. Right, people think we building an appare of brand,
We're not really building a pair of brand.

Speaker 12 (01:32:41):
I keep telling people to close. It's just a uniform
for the movement.

Speaker 15 (01:32:44):
And what I mean by that is like our tagline
for Actively Black is there's greatness in our DNA, right,
And that's been a tagline from day one.

Speaker 12 (01:32:54):
And the reason why is because I.

Speaker 15 (01:32:56):
Believe the centuries of oppression, the centuries of being told
that we're less than, not as smart as all those things, subconsciously,
that has seeped into the subconscious of some of our
people where we actually believe that, even if we don't
admit it, some of us actually believe that. So the
aspirational marketing that often happens with some of these brands

(01:33:20):
leads us to believe that man, if I can afford
that Gucci, if I can afford that Louis, if I
can wear that, that makes me somebody. Now right, And
what I'm trying to deprogram and reprogram our people to
understand is like, the greatness in our DNA is actually
the only thing that the oppressors have not been able

(01:33:41):
to extract from us.

Speaker 12 (01:33:42):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:33:43):
They've been able to steal our bodies, They've been able
to steal our gold, our diamonds, they've been able to
steal our freedom, they can't take the greatness that actually
lives inside of us. And so if I can actually
get us to change how we view ourselves, then it'll
change how we view these other things. I also said,
you know, people think I'm trying to change with in

(01:34:05):
your closet. No, I'm trying to change whats in your
mind because if you start understanding that we are the prize,
if you start understanding that everything that becomes cool to
black culture becomes cool to the rest of the world,
then you understand that we are the blueprint. So you're
chasing somebody else's rocket status symbol thinking that it's elevating you,

(01:34:26):
when the truth is they're just still in the sauce
from what you already have naturally. So I'm trying to
get us to see you know, to me, to me
when you think about think about luxury. Think about the
fact that trillions of dollars, you know, you could put
it in chat GPT.

Speaker 12 (01:34:43):
You can look at the studies.

Speaker 15 (01:34:45):
Trillions of dollars were generated off the cotton industry, right,
think about how much wealth we generated. And it wasn't
just the labor. One of the reasons they took black
bodies from Africa to bring over to for this cotton
was because of our of our genius when it came
to agriculture and being able to grow agriculture on barren land.

(01:35:08):
That's one of that's one of the reasons why we
were brought over.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
To do this.

Speaker 15 (01:35:12):
The the American the American economy was built off of cotton,
the entire American economy. It wasn't just the South. So
when you think about, like the value that we have
brought into the world, why don't we see ourselves as
that value? You know what I'm saying, that's so it
is psychological. So to answer your question, you know, I

(01:35:33):
think we have to get ourselves to the point where
it's like, oh, you wearing something black owned. Oh that's
that's aspirational, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what
it is. That's the thing that we should be.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
And when you see the AV logo, it moves you
as powerful as when you see.

Speaker 15 (01:35:52):
The one thousand percent and and and let's let's be
let's be clear here. All of those brands, I'll say this,
I'm not anti anybody else. I'm just for us more
than anybody else. But all of those brands, Louis Vuitton
much love to Pharrell. He's a genius, He's a creative genius.

(01:36:13):
And before him, Virgil, same thing. So I'm not saying
his skill set does not deserve the job as being
the head designer at Louis Vuitton. But let's not kid
ourselves into thinking that they didn't also hire him because
they thought that was an avenue to continue selling to
the culture.

Speaker 12 (01:36:31):
Let's keep it real.

Speaker 15 (01:36:32):
Nike has an entire department that all they're doing is
trying to figure out what's cool to.

Speaker 12 (01:36:36):
These black kids.

Speaker 15 (01:36:38):
What's cool to these black kids, so we can continue
to market to everybody once we find out what's cool
to the culture. They have departments in these corporations that
focus on trying to figure out what are the new
trends in the black community. And then let's take that
and repackage it and sell it to the world. We
are the blueprint and I'm just trying to I'm just

(01:37:00):
trying to get us to see that, you know what
I'm saying, Like we.

Speaker 12 (01:37:02):
Can, we can build our own Louis Vaton.

Speaker 15 (01:37:05):
If that was if that's the only thing that I
would say to to Pharrell, to Virgil, rest in peace,
to any of them. It was the one thing I
was so disappointed in with with with Kanye West before
he became what he became was, bro, you don't need
none of them, You don't need their anything.

Speaker 12 (01:37:22):
We got this, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:37:23):
And who's gonna be the one to stand up and
say I'm gonna do this for us, with us, for us,
And if it's got to be me that then I'll
take that role.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Robert, Robert, you on mute. Robert, you're still on mute.
I notice, ain't no gun.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
This was a gun. You know how to use it.
I guess is he no?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Like it ain't me this week, it's Robert probably hit
the damn button.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
And my fault is my fault.

Speaker 10 (01:38:04):
I think the things I think we have to realize
in our community is part of the reason we don't
have some of the nice things we would like to
have because we don't like paying for those things. We
talk about the lack of black lawyers. I've been in
business for a couple of decades trying to get our
community to pay us the same price that they pay
other communities.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
Nine impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
And this because we want to give it. We want
to give black people a black tax. We taxed black people,
but we don't tax white people.

Speaker 10 (01:38:32):
And that's the point that was gonna make that the
same people that they son get in trouble, you give
them a nice discount to get them out of jail.
They're going through a divorce, and you help them through that,
You help them through their child issue they got to
go through. Then finally they get into a car accident
for a truck. In the cases what thousand dollars and
they can't get to a white lawyer fast enough. They

(01:38:55):
still owe you money, and they will bust and fall
down the stairs to get to someone else to give
them more money because they will believe the commercial on
the radio that tells them they will get more money
with somebody else. Can't talk a little bit about this
almost post traumatic slave issue that we have in our community,
where our folks still think that someone else's ice water

(01:39:17):
is always going to be colder, and because of that,
they're always going to charge charge us a penalty, as
Roland said, but be willing to pay a premium to
get the same or lesser product from somebody who doesn't
look like them.

Speaker 12 (01:39:35):
Roland, you will take that first.

Speaker 8 (01:39:36):
You want me to want to go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
You go ahead. I'm gonna stopt cussing you go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:39:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:39:41):
I think it's just that.

Speaker 15 (01:39:43):
Inferiority complex that we have subconsciously accepted, you know what
I mean. It's it's I come from a world of basketball.
I used to be a basketball player. I sorry with
the Sacramento Kings in two thousand and nine before a
career ending injury.

Speaker 12 (01:39:58):
Endo my basketball career.

Speaker 15 (01:40:00):
You see a lot of athletes who will trust a
white financial advisor over a black financial advisor because they
believe that they know more, or they can they can
they can help them more, you know what I mean.
It happens across across the board, and yeah, I think

(01:40:21):
unfortunately it's this it's a psychological thing that our people
have just not been able to conquer. And I think
that's one of the last barriers to actually getting us
to to to get past all these things that that
have held us back. It's it's how we see ourselves.
It's how we see ourselves. It's like we see ourselves

(01:40:43):
as ops. We see ourselves as competition. We see ourselves
as as as somebody to compete against, when the oppressor
is the real enemy. It's like we our focus is
on is on is on the wrong things. And so
I don't know that's That's one of the reasons why
I started at Actively Black. It wasn't just we don't
the world doesn't need another upparel brand. This was more

(01:41:04):
so something that I was hoping would change the minds
of our people. And you know, we're giving a lot
of attention to those who don't understand. I also want
to give props to the tribe, to the supporters, to
those who have allowed Actively Black to be one of
the fastest growing at leisure brands in America because they
understand what they're supporting it. And when I see those

(01:41:27):
comments and I get that reaction when they're like, man,
my chest, I poke my chest out a little more
when I'm wearing my Actively Black. When I see somebody
else wearing actively black and we give each other that
head nod acknowledging each other that were part of the
tribe like that. That made me feel good. That's that's
what we're trying to spread. That's what we're trying to build.
And so I think it's just going to continue to
take more of us building this way and changing the

(01:41:50):
minds of our people.

Speaker 8 (01:41:57):
Roland, thank you, brother, thank you, Thank you, brother lady.
I am one of your informal brand ambassador's brother. Every
time a bag like this show up at my house,
can you see that? Brother? Can you see that?

Speaker 10 (01:42:11):
I can't.

Speaker 12 (01:42:12):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
I can't say that is that bag black and gold? Yes?
It is no question. I said, listen man.

Speaker 8 (01:42:20):
Long before I knew that you and my sister Gussie
and brother law Randy were down this homes in Houston,
I was it. I've been supporting you brother. That hat
you got, I got to ex join you did the launch.
I got to Wakanda John when.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
You did that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
I got to stir your bags.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
I love these bags.

Speaker 8 (01:42:38):
Include this joint is my everyday bag right here.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Damn, Greg got books.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Joy right here.

Speaker 8 (01:42:47):
I ain't finish because I had a question. This is
my every day I bring this little sporty join the
leather black joint. I wear this one too, because I
don't want to wear them out. Your bags. First of all,
high quality. I'm about thirty years past the body to
be able to model the stuff like you got their
mouths on the website, y'allever, he got some mouths on
the website. I sat on the on the shore of
Galveston Bay on juneteenth, the day of the drop, ordered

(01:43:11):
the cotton made hoodie, ordered the black logo hoodie you
got on, ordered the T shirt. And I'm happy to
say they haven't come yet because I know you got swamped.
If they show up before I leave Egypt next week,
I'm taking them to the Nile Valley. But this is
this is where I want to go with this. I
don't wear the American flag, brother, I do not. But
on the same day I ordered the actively black cotton

(01:43:33):
drop on June teen, I had the June teen hoodie
on in the hotel before I went over to order
to Bay and on and I went down to the
Trump parade on July fourth with this joint on. Especially
because you partner with the brother who made the flag Boston,
Ben and got the June teenth on. I was on
that I'm coming to the question, brother, But before I do,

(01:43:53):
I saw one of my students at Howard with this
hoodie on with my man, Cecil Williams out of South Carolina.
When I see I said, I knew this brother's a partnership.
Now you got to see some whip. If y'all know
who see so Williams is look him up. Shout out
to my girl kat Adams, who's on the fact of
the Aclaffler, who took me to meet mister Williams last year.
But here's the thing, brother, And I say this with

(01:44:15):
all due respect. You didn't say this, but I'm gonna
say it. I got colleagues at more House and Spellman
I refuse to I wear HBCU stuff all the time.
I'll be damn you gonna catch me dead and nothing
Ralph Duran has. And at Howard I got former students
who work at Jordan Brand and Nike who tried to
get me involved a promotional when the night when Jordan
and them, God bless Michael Jordan, God blessing. But it's

(01:44:37):
so much Jordan stuff on Howard, and I told them kids,
they are not spying. They're selling they're gonna use your swag.
And when they say they gave us these bands for
free at the car and no, that's the advertising. That
stuff's gonna be on the website, just like they did
with Morehouse and Spellman when they first dropped this stuff.
But here's why I'm going with it. Brother, here's why
I'm going with it. When I read in the New

(01:44:58):
York Times a year year ago, just about a year ago,
that you have partnered with the Nigerians, brother.

Speaker 16 (01:45:04):
To do the Nigerian Olympic team, And when you rock
this joint right here, what I want to hear from you,
and I'm saying this, I want the origin story about
how how you got the Nigerians to let you outfit
the Nigerian Olympic team.

Speaker 8 (01:45:20):
Because my partner, who is an investor by the way,
she part of your tribe. Some of my best friends
in the world who are Nigerians, including my one of
my very dear friends who is in Colleen, Texas, who
is Nigerian, got her son's detractions. My partner got the
track suit. How did you hook up with the Nigerians
because you are a true Pan Africanist and I want
all you people talking about descendants of slaves. I want

(01:45:41):
you to understand this is how we win. How did
you get the Nigerians on the Olympic?

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:45:46):
Brother, And you know I'm your brand ambassador.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Brother.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
I'm constantly rocking for you. Brother Actively.

Speaker 12 (01:45:51):
I really appreciate you being part of the tribe.

Speaker 15 (01:45:53):
I really really you know from the bottomall heart, Actively
Black cannot exist without people like you with your You're
consistent and constant support.

Speaker 12 (01:46:01):
So thank you so much for the support. But when
it comes to Nigeria.

Speaker 15 (01:46:07):
So, I'm from Houston, Texas, born and raised. I played
college basketball at the University of Houston. And when I
was there, there's a track athlete named Sean out of
gun What do you want to Hot Howe High School?

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Mostly boy Gone.

Speaker 8 (01:46:24):
You gotta get a jack Yates.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Get a.

Speaker 12 (01:46:28):
Coach was Greg Wise?

Speaker 15 (01:46:29):
Greg Wise is a Jackie is the head coach of
at Jackie Yates, So shout out the co founder of
Actively Black, the black woman behind Actively Black, Bianca Winslow.
Her father is Ricky Winslow, who's a Jackieyate's legend.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
So all right, okay, you get a reprieve, go ahead,
all right.

Speaker 12 (01:46:46):
I appreciate you, and so she out of Gun.

Speaker 15 (01:46:51):
She ran track at the University Houston while I was
playing basketball. She is hit black history herself. She's the
only African to compete in both the Summer and Winter
Olympic Games. But heading into the last Olympic Games, Team
Nigeria didn't have a they didn't have a brand sponsor.
What seon at a gun, It's spelled like sean. Yeah, yeah,

(01:47:19):
I ad and so so we became friends while we
were at the University of Houston.

Speaker 12 (01:47:23):
So fast forward.

Speaker 15 (01:47:24):
She knew what we were doing with Actively Black, and
she asked if Actively Black could outfit Team Nigeria. They
were looking for a brand, a brand uh deal, And
I said yes, even though I had no idea what
I was doing, because what's bigger than the Olympics, right,
But also because it gave us an opportunity to show
that what I'm building with Actively Black is not just

(01:47:45):
for Black America. To me, what I'm trying to do
is unite the diaspora, because you know, when you see
this logo, it's it's it's obviously Pan African inspired, you know,
but when you look at the green that represents the
natural wealth, the natural resources, the natural talent that we

(01:48:06):
have as a people. When you look at the red
that represents you know, the blood, the DNA that runs
through all of us, and you lean those together, that's
where the elevation comes.

Speaker 12 (01:48:15):
So that's what this logo actually means.

Speaker 15 (01:48:17):
And our common enemy, the colonizers, have done a masterful
job of dividing us in so many different ways that
we can't even see it enough to know that. Man,
if we actually unite, we outnumber them, We have more
wealth than them, we have more power than them. So

(01:48:39):
now we are divided in you black American, you Jamaican,
You Nigerian, you Brazilian, and we don't understand we're not
the global minority at all, you know what I'm saying.
And if we can ever find a way to unite
all of us, then you know that's where our true
power lies. So we outfit a team Nigeria.

Speaker 12 (01:48:59):
And to be hones with you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Man.

Speaker 15 (01:49:00):
It's one of the most proudest moments of my life
because you know, we went out to Paris for the
Summer Olympics and I got to see you know, I've
got this picture that I'm gonna get blown up and framed.
We got to see athletes competing on the global stage,
and it was one athlete wearing Nike and another athlete
wearing Puma, and then an athlete weren't actively black on
the global stage. It don't get no bigger than the Olympics.
And a black owned brand that was three years old

(01:49:21):
at the time was there.

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
And yeah, that's that's a special moment for me.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
All right, Nola Part two? Noa go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Oh oh, I get to ask a question.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Oh hold on, I can move along. So you you
you wasting time right now? Well, thank you, sir. Don't
don't don't, don't. Don't take my generosity. Girl, you better
don't ask your question. Oh lord, don't have my daddy
text me. Do I leave Nola lone girl? Come on,
but I ask your.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
Question, Lanny think, oh my god, that time.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Come come on, you're going to leave in more minutes,
come on, planning.

Speaker 9 (01:50:08):
My question is please forgive his rudeness. My question, My
question is how do you how do you think about.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
The kind of.

Speaker 9 (01:50:22):
How do you think about like everybody is everything is
a vibe, is what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
Everything is a vibe. Everything is you know, energy, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Is a vibe.

Speaker 9 (01:50:32):
And as we were having this conversation about trying to
kind of reprogram people to understand what we do, what
we produce is beautiful and it is the standard. What
is your approach when you think about marketing, when you
you know, when you think about social media, like what
sorts of things do you think about?

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Like what's your approach there?

Speaker 12 (01:50:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:50:55):
I think authenticity is the foundation that we built this
brand on. So anything we do has to be real,
it has to be authentic.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:51:05):
Even even going back to the Nigeria question, we had
half of those uniforms and outfits. We found a factory
in Legos, Nigeria to make to make that because I
wanted that money to go to our people and for
it to be authentic when they stepped on that global
stage to wear it. So I think even everything that

(01:51:26):
we do has to it originates with authenticity. So when
I think about social media, the content that we create,
even you know, me posting that video today, I was like,
you know what, it may be some people that's upset
with this, but I don't know any other way to
be than my authentic self, And I think that's what
people feel with the brand and so when the.

Speaker 12 (01:51:46):
Marketing with the camp yep, they'll get over it.

Speaker 15 (01:51:53):
And so I think the thing with Actively Black that
has been if there is any special sauce that I
can that I can share, is you know, when we
think about Nike, when you think about Adidas, when you
think about any of those brands, they want you to
be a walking billboard for their brand and to promote
their brand.

Speaker 12 (01:52:11):
The thing that has.

Speaker 15 (01:52:12):
Allowed Actively Black to be successful is our tribe doesn't
see them. They don't see themselves as the billboard for us.
They see Actively Black as the billboard for them. They
see Actively Black as a brand that represents who they are.
They not represent Actively Black, the tribe, not representing the brand.
The brand represents the tribe. And so when you can

(01:52:32):
create something that people see themselves in, when you can
create something where people feel represented, they feel seen, they
feel heard, they feel loved, that creates lifetime customers. But
it also creates this community that we're building. And so
that's the mentality I'll take into anything that we do
with the brand is remaining authentic to who we are
in the mission and the purpose and the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Point that I think people need to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Is that literally what Landy just described, that's what makes
people stand outside of a foot locker.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Overnight to get the new the new pair of Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
I mean, so this is like, this is not hard.
I did an interview today with the Forest Black I
kept saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
I said, from the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Our black skin touched these shores in sixteen nineteen, we
were the show, they were the business.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
And that's the reality. They want us to be the show.
They want us to be the trendsetter. We literally set
Black girl.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Creates a dance on TikTok, white girl recreates it, white
girl gets paid.

Speaker 5 (01:53:44):
We are on the standard.

Speaker 10 (01:53:46):
So it's like, I mean we can, we can.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
We can take this singing dancing. I mean, we can
go down the line over and over and over again.
But we have to get our folks to understand this
reality in terms of where we are. And you know,
I had a couple of years ago the brother would
see a collective. His brother is building a luxury brand
and he's like, yo, I got celebrities who want me

(01:54:09):
to send them free stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
He was like, yo, I can't do that. Jim Jones
goes into a I forgot what the hell? It was
one of the.

Speaker 12 (01:54:18):
Store and they ignored him for two hours and then
so then.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
He went somewhere else and then came back talking about yo,
I dropped thirty thousands worth of all right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
I literally, I literally, but I literally saw I forgot
his name. Who's who was that? I don't give a
damn about them people? Who was Dayton Angela Simmons?

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
They just broke up and posting like all these bags
and it's Chanelle and it's all is here.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
And to the point Landing said earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Imagine what would happen when a black celebrity post on
social showering their woman with products with luxury problems from
a black brand.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
The fan base is gonna say, what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Black people took an orthopedic construction company as shoe a
timbling and turn that shit into a multi billion.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Y'oll. You couldn't If you wore a pair of temblings
to school.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
In nineteen seventy nine, your ass would get lit.

Speaker 17 (01:55:37):
But when it hits mock dropped in nineteen ay, all
it took the same as construction shoe. Wasn't nobody wearing them?

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Damn yellow tan ass thick sole.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Y'all we shift the culture shift. And I keep saying
we are excellent at making other people rich, but want
black people to starve.

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
M h, Well, Beyonce really gave tell far bump.

Speaker 12 (01:56:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
But what I want us to do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
I want us to make it to what Land just said,
where it's an everyday thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
It's a conscious decision.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
It's a conscious decision to what bad you're seen with,
what shoe you're seeing with.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
I'm telling you I.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Wear the gas has sent me shoes. We had them
on the show Showcation. I've worn their black shoes. People like, you, man,
what shoe is that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
The Rock Deep Global.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
I'm like, listen, I don't even wear when we go anywhere,
Robot Unfiltered. I got those black and gold Rock Deep Global,
and I was sad when I hit the brother.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
He said, man, listen, we ran out of money. He said.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
People don't understand how ours compete. And that's the thing
people understand. When you're in the apparel business, you are
competing against global behemos.

Speaker 12 (01:57:12):
Yes, yes, and they can.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
Buy thirty thousand units, and if they only sell five
thousand of them, ain't no thing discount that sucker, because
they already know it was made cheap a black own retail.
Y'all cannot buy thirty thousand pieces of something of one item,
So we just have to understand what's that play here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
And so that's why I wanted to do this segment
the moment I saw the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Videos, like yo, book that shit because by rap Lauren
calling it this limited edition, I'm telling y'all right now,
negros gonna buy that sucker out. We're gonna be running
around flexing ours. Yeah, and I'm just I will be.

Speaker 8 (01:58:03):
I will be butt naked before I wear anything by
any of them. I'm just telling you right now, brother,
you clothed me, you saw it. Rowland is right. Let
me just I can ask one more question right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Yeah, go ahead, y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
Did you did a partnership FI center here, here's the
Malcolm Xige one right. Could you say a word about
your partnerships because and not smart, you're growing, man, I'm
thinking about all these historically black high schools. I wasn't
cadding about having a Jack Yet shirts or or Paul
Lawrence Dunbar shirt here in d C. I'm thinking about

(01:58:37):
all these HBCUs. When you did see some Williams and
I saw one of my students walk into class with
the Williams hoodie on. I got mad because I stopped
your website and I hadn't seen it yet, but Claughland,
South Carolina State. I was happy at the same time
to see him with it. But could you say something
about the intentionality of your partnerships, whether it be the

(01:58:57):
you Ben hay Through did the juneteen flag or the
God Center. Yes, sir, please man.

Speaker 15 (01:59:03):
The partnerships have been incredible, but they're they're to your point,
they're very intentional. So the very first partnership we did,
actually you're up on my wall, John Carlos and Tommy
Smith nineteen sixty eight Olympics. You know, they stood at
the podium with their fist rays. And I was inspired
by a story that I read about Rosa Parks facing

(01:59:27):
eviction and it was actually a white man I think
he's the founder of Little Caesar's Pizza that actually ended
up paying her living expenses and her rent until she passed.

Speaker 12 (01:59:39):
And it pissed me off. It pissed me off that
somebody who.

Speaker 15 (01:59:45):
Did what she did and to, you know, as part
of the civil rights movement, that she would be elderly
and all the people who made money off the civil
rights movement. She was facing eviction that really really bothered
my spirit, and so I started to look the see
are there any other figures like that that are still
living that I could possibly help out?

Speaker 12 (02:00:05):
And so contacted John Carlos and.

Speaker 15 (02:00:08):
I was like, man, if you would give us permission
to use your likeness to create a collection, we will
make sure that there is a revenue share for any
of that product that sold, so I can pay you
so that I can help you financially. And he agreed
to do it, and that was the first partnership that
we did, and it was just it was special and
it was powerful. He's become somebody who's been on my

(02:00:30):
wall almost my entire life to now somebody who's like,
who's a friend of mine, you know, and living piece
of black history. So it kind of started there. And
then man I got a shout out Damon John, founder
of Fubu. Because oftentimes we hear about, you know, black people,
we don't look out for each other and we don't
help each other out and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 12 (02:00:49):
Man I had a meeting with Damon John, who wanted
to do a Fuobu.

Speaker 15 (02:00:53):
Actively black Collab, and he showed up wearing an actively
Black hoodie and I just had to I had to
compose myself because growing up, man, when I saw Fubu,
when I saw these four black men as the faces
of the brand that they started, that was everything to me.
To be honest with you, that's the last time I
ever bought Polo anything when came out was that it

(02:01:16):
was over everything.

Speaker 8 (02:01:17):
And so.

Speaker 15 (02:01:20):
We were in the meeting and he asked me what
else I was working on, and I said, man, I
was really inspired by the movie Black Panther. That really
kind of was my part of my inspiration for starting
Actively Black. I showed him the sketches of what I
thought of Black Panther Actively Black Collab would look like.

Speaker 12 (02:01:35):
And this man, Damon John.

Speaker 15 (02:01:36):
In the middle of the meeting, he called the head
of licensing for Marvel and Disney and he said, y'all
need to see what I just saw.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
And damn.

Speaker 8 (02:01:48):
Take your Chad brother, high quality. That's why I rocked
this hat. That's why I hate getting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
Man.

Speaker 8 (02:01:55):
But tell us, come on, brother, come on, tell it.

Speaker 7 (02:02:00):
Man.

Speaker 15 (02:02:00):
He picked up the phone and made that phone call,
and two days later I was in a meeting pitching
the head of Marvel at Disney.

Speaker 12 (02:02:10):
Man, I'm sorry, y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Go ahead take your time. I own this ship. Don't
worry about it.

Speaker 12 (02:02:17):
And they they they fast tracked it and improved it.

Speaker 15 (02:02:22):
And for Wakanda Forever, the sequel, we had the official
apparel partnership for Wakanda Forever, and that was like the
first thing that really kind of put our brand on
the map. And then Lani Ali, Muhammad Ali's wife found
out about us because of that partnership. So she called
and she was like, I want y'all to do something
for my for for my my late husband Muammad Ali.

(02:02:43):
That's how we got the Mhammad Ali deal. And then
it just kind of became a snowball after that. You know,
we've done uh. We got partnership to Bob Marlea State,
the Tupaca State.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
You know, we we.

Speaker 12 (02:02:58):
It's just I got some that I can't announce yet
because they're coming out. But it's just it's been a
snowball effect.

Speaker 15 (02:03:04):
But I will say that all of those partnerships there's
a meaning and a message to all of them. Malcolm
xas State, Martin Luther, King of State, we have collaborations
with all of them, and we tell a story through that,
through those collaborations, and it's something I'm very proud of. Man,
I'm honestly very humble by it, because these are all
people that I grew up learning about, you know, Hughey P. Newton,

(02:03:27):
the Black Panther Party, Fred Hampton Junior. We got a
collection coming with him to honor his father, Fred Hampton.
These are things that I just sometimes I gotta pinch
myself because it's hard to think that these pillars in
the black culture, the black history are people that we're
able to do these collections for. So, yeah, thank you

(02:03:48):
for asking that question about our partnerships. It has been
It's been special for us.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
And last question, I have you talked earlier about funding whatever?
Where are where are you on that or y'all talking
to other investors? Are you looking at doing a crowd
fundund Absolutely?

Speaker 12 (02:04:06):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 15 (02:04:07):
We opened up our first round at the end of
twenty twenty four through we funder. It's a crowdfunding platform
that actually allows people to invest and get equity in
your brand. So one of my big picture visions for
this was that actively black is black owned, not just
because I'm black, but because the actual tribe owns the brand,
and so we hit the maximum that we can hit.

(02:04:31):
At the time, we're going through our financial audit to
be in good standing with the SEC so we can
open it back up. So we will be opening back
up that we funder in six weeks, seven weeks, so
September it will be back open and we are inviting

(02:04:51):
the tribe to invest in actively black. You can own
a piece of what we are building, and this is
something that I want to remain Black owned. We're not looking,
we're not looking to sell this to nobody else. So
in the vein of those partnerships that we've had, we've
also turned down partnerships. We had a partnership with Peloton
that was on the table and I felt like they
disrespected the culture. I feel like they disrespected our partnership

(02:05:15):
by wanting to water down the branding. They felt like
we were too boldly black and they wanted to water
that down. So we pulled out of the deal, you
know what I mean. So there's no amount of money
that's gonna move us from where we stand in our
integrity on what we're building. So yeah, y'all get ready
to try and get ready in September, we will be
opening back up the weefunded to invest in actively black.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
All right, then, well we'll be looking for that. Landa
was certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for
joining us, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
All right, folks, so what again, what my intention was
to only do two stories, but as how those things happened,
the bottom line is, you know when we look at
what's you can go.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Pull up Gregg and Robert.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
The thing here is that when when we when we
we talk about this, the point you made earlier, Greg Noll, look,
Greg and Robert, please, the thing for me, the thing
for me right here.

Speaker 5 (02:06:11):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
And this is why we why this show matters.

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
And I keep trying to explain to people, there's not
a single network in America that would have devoted that
much time to Texas Redici Ty and ain't gonna be
the only time, but also a black owned product.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
I ain't gonna I ain't gonna name no names, but
I've seen numerous black, prominent black accounts.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
Post and see we ain't doing it. I'm not gonna
run it because they ain't getting that free. I've seen
numerous prominent black social media accounts post.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
That Ralph Lauren video.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
Yes, not even realizing they're giving them free advertisers.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
Ralph Lauren does not happen.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
I mean, everybody listening to what I'm about to say
right now, Ralph Lauren does not have to spend a
single dollar advertising its collection because black folk have given
them millions of dollars of free publicity by running the video,

(02:07:40):
showing the clothes, all sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
We did it for context sake. But you see when
then spend all that time on it and see, Robert,
that's the thing that we don't get.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
We are literally giving it away for free. Robert, Robert frozen,
all right, going to Greg, Greg, go.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Ahead, you I meaning out there, you go there.

Speaker 8 (02:08:14):
I can't Emma, I thought I think they had any
need it yet listen brother again, you know, not not again.
Tonight was special.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
It really was.

Speaker 8 (02:08:25):
Both those stories put it exactly where it needs to be.
We are in a country now, in the United States.
It's about to be fundamentally renegotiated, whether we want it
to be or not. The desperation of this Trump administration
is just the tip of the spear of the larger desperation.
When you wrote in white fear, about the nature of

(02:08:46):
white fear. You named what we are seeing right now,
how we react to it was the second hour. It's
got to be self determination and it can't stop at
the shores of the United States of America. Brother, I can't.
I can't even express to you, but this does for
my soul because there are moments when and this is

(02:09:08):
for everybody listening, when when you when you, when you,
when you feel and see the thing that's in your spirit,
you recognize that that's the road we have to be.
I wasn't kidding when I said when I saw them
drop the thing in Atlanta at the auc with more
house and swiming, I called some of my friends on faculty,
some of them who were in the marketing campaign, and said,

(02:09:29):
what are y'all doing? And said, well, you know, we
want to support this and this is important for us,
no problem. And as I said, when Jordan came to
Howard and night he came to hire, everybody went and
they called me and said, do you want to be No, you'll, you'll,
you won't. You won't catch me dead in any of that.
And when they gave out all that free stuff, and
those young people gave more free advertising to Jordan Brandon
Knight than you can imagine. I said, are we that dnse?

(02:09:54):
And I'm talking about some well intentioned people in both
those spaces who wanted to do something for black people.
And then as you say, when this thing dropped, this
Martha's vineyard thing, I'll be butt neked I promise you
before we have a stitch of that. But when it
comes back to the Blackstar Network, brother, this brother Lanny
Smith and what he's doing with that small number of

(02:10:15):
employees that he has that has now grown the connection
with the Nigerians, that expression of pan averness reaching elders
like Ceci Williams and John Carlos. And that's actually how
my sister Gussie, she was working with John Carlos to
help put that together. That's how I first found out
about Lanny Smith. And then my point, but my point
is coming to this. In our heart, we know, we know,

(02:10:38):
but when we don't think we can win, we start
making deals. You haven't made a deal rope. You didn't
step out on faith, although faith was present. You stepped
out on knowledge and the certainty that when we do
what you did, we will win. Lanny stepped out on
that same thing. It wasn't just faith, it was education
and it was knowledge and certainty that we will win.

(02:11:00):
And what happens when that happens, I promise you, brother,
next year, five years from now, thirty years from now,
forty years from now, as this thing is renegotiated, crumbles,
and it's remade in different places, you're gonna look like
a profit. Landy gonna look like a prophit because the
thing that we can do, that we have done before,
we're gonna do it again. Listen every time he drops something.

(02:11:24):
And you know, I'm an educator, so I ain't got
that kind of money, but I promise you right now
I'm gonna get it. And when you have that signal,
it's like the nod in the airport that you get.
It's like the acknowledgment on the bus or walking down
the street when we see each other and we do
that head nod. This is what that's the equivalent of
our victory is certain brother. We just got to stay
on this path, and thank you, thank you for the

(02:11:45):
Black Star Network because we wouldn't be having this conversation
anywhere else. And this is what's gonna free us.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
So here's why many people understand.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
First of all, Robert's signal is frozen, so we appreciate
Robbie on the show. Here, don't need everybody understand. We
could have made the segment all about Ralph, Lauren and
Polo and oak Bluff's and Martha's vineyard and get caught
up all in that, but no focus on the Black

(02:12:15):
owned brand. There's a reason we have shot Blackstar Network
dot Com. Give me a shot of that. There's a
real y'all, these are all black OneD products that's sitting
to my right. We use toilet paper, we use tissue,
we use barbecue sauce, we use relish, we use cocktail mixes.
We do popcorn, we do we buy a pairl well, y'all,

(02:12:38):
we do all of that. That's why the shot Blackstun
Network dot Com. Y'all hear me say this all the time.
The only way these things change is when we become
intentional with our actions.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Intentional, I said, give me the lowest price of a
green screen.

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
No, in our marketplace segment, we actually had this black
owned drapes company and I say, hey, we gonna have
a green screen in our next studio. They say, we
can make that for you done. ID put that out
for bed, I said done. It's intentionality, and this is

(02:13:25):
what our people have to understand. We can't keep complaining
about the condition that we're in. Listen to what I'm saying.
We can't complain about the condition that we are in
if we're unwilling to have a counter that then removes

(02:13:50):
the condition. YouTube literally told me, y'all, I'm not making
this up. YouTube literally told me black news will not work.
They were funding all sorts of different things. In fact,
when George Floyd was murdered, YouTube put out an announcement

(02:14:14):
that they were going to spend one hundred million dollars
worth of content for black content creators. And we saw that,
and my frat brother and I Todd Brown, co founder
of Urban Edge Network, we immediately called I had done
this project for them, and I sent an email to
the chief revenue officer and he put me in contact

(02:14:39):
with the person. We were on the phone, and the
woman who was on the phone said they didn't have
a plan yet. They literally had no plan, like no
plan and they were still working through it. His story
right here, This was in Variety right here. YouTube creates

(02:15:00):
one hundred million dollar fund for black creators and artists
and so sets fundraiser special hosts about comedy. Kiki Palmer,
I said, y'all, this thing went all over. So we
called you know, they, oh, we didn't have plan yet.
Well then the woman tells us she had worked at
other places and they had all these budgets and she
didn't have one.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
She don't end up having him.

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
She actually was her IDEA fifty million of the one
hundred million went to her department and the other fifty
million went to content creators. So you know one of
the things that they did that they did these big
old specials. I mean again, I participated in one of them,
these big old specials, and I was like, they probably
spent three to probably three five six million dollars on

(02:15:44):
this thing and it did maybe a million views.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
And I said to them, I said, do you know
what you could have done?

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
You could have taken the same five million and literally
given half a million dollars to ten black content creators
and you were generated more views than you did with
that whole deal.

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
You would have funded ten.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
And I walked through the whole thing and they were like, shit,
you're right, but that wasn't the that wasn't the intention.
So we do this to be intentional so you are aware.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
Of what's going on. And I could easily we could talk.

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
About Trump some other bullshit, talk about Jeffer Epstein talking
about I Got I save it for Monday, these crazy
ass Karen's what I.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Need our people to understand.

Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
Is that if we did not have this conversation with
actively black today, you were not going to see it
on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Fox News, any of these networks.
You're not gonna see it on any of the and
in fact, you're gonna have black people. And I got

(02:16:57):
nothing against Ebbie Phillip or in it. Who will clip
some crazy shit that Scott Jennings said on her show
and put it on See it's the same thing, y'all.
It's the same See y'all, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:17:06):
The same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:17:08):
It's the same cycle. We will clip something on CNN,
but not clip Rolling Mark unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
We will be seen wearing the lowis. So we're not
gonna carry a black luxury luxury product. I'm telling y'all
can do this. I do this for a living.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
When I wear something black on man, what's that? What's
that gotten? So on and so go to their website.

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
Imagine if your top one hundred black celebrities did that,
you would change the economic climate of black owned businesses overnight.

Speaker 8 (02:17:44):
Greg, Absolutely, no, No, I just I didn't want to
interrupt your brother, I just because I know you won't
say this, but I want to say this to you
and to everybody with you listening. Not only will they
do that what you'll see now with Actively Black as
a result of what you've done tonight, you will see
other black contient creators who have now become aware of
Activity Black, who watch your shoe platform Actively Black and

(02:18:10):
not mention you go on.

Speaker 1 (02:18:12):
Yeah, and it's like, which is okay.

Speaker 8 (02:18:14):
But I'm just saying I'm not going but they're not
gonna connect to it. Yes, I'm just saying that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:19):
Yeah, And I just want I just want people to
understand that you can literally everything we're talking about. We
can literally change the paradigm. We can literally change it.
I am not saying that black people alone, because here's
what we know. When we create stuff, they also buy it.

(02:18:45):
They buy it too because when they see us wearing it,
they want to wear it. So this is actively Black
is not for blacks only.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (02:18:59):
We can change the game. I just want us to
understand powers in our hands. But we cannot complain about
what we're not getting when we won't even support our own.

Speaker 1 (02:19:10):
And that was the whole point of the first story.

Speaker 2 (02:19:14):
You can't complain about what you don't get politically if
you don't vote. And you can't complain about while we
don't have a billion dollar black retail apparel of business,
when you're giving your money to Raf, Lauren and Nike
and you're ignoring actively black and other black companies.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Greg, thanks aboutch I want to thank Robert and Nolak
also been on Today's show.

Speaker 1 (02:19:40):
Folks, this is why this show was created.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
I said when I turned TV one down, I turned
three hundred and thirty thousand dollars downs a three year
contract per year, and I said no, because they could
not tell me what I was going to be doing. Yes,
I turned that down June twenty eighteen, turned it down
again in August of twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (02:20:02):
The contract was up. My contract was up August thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
First, they told me the night before Rutha Franklin's funeral
when I was there, that Hey, they were not going
to do a deal. I said, no problem. I knew
they were not going to also talk about my contribution,
so I had already written the twenty five hundred word
story breaking down what I did. We launched Rolling Mark
Unfiltered on September fourth, twenty eighteen, with one hundred and
fifty seven thousand YouTube subscribers. If I look right now,

(02:20:29):
we are sitting at one million, eight hundred and thirty
five thy fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
We're approaching two million.

Speaker 2 (02:20:35):
This was about and I also launched it because Tom
johnal was retiring in December twenty nineteen, and I said,
we've got to have a strong black media on media
presence for the twenty twenty presidential election. And that was
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This dude is wearing your shirt. Uh, and so I
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And then matter of fact, again, y'all, I don't know
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We're gonna be doing a simul cast with illegal analyst
Candice Kelly. You know she did the podcast with Malcolm
Jamal Warner. Well, from seven to nine pm Eastern tomorrow,
they're gonna be doing a tribute Malcolm left the mic

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on and so that's gonna be seven to nine. We're
gonna be summer casting that right here on rollerd Martin
Unfiltered in the Black Star Network as well. I will
be live in the first hour. I'll be live in
Las Vegas. Beyonce has her last two shows of our
Cowboy Carter Tour in Vegas tomorrow and say so, I'll
be hanging out with Bay tomorrow in htown, my Houston homegirl,

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and so we'll figure out which Cowboy have I'm gonna rock, folks.

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That's it.

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I'll seey'af from Vegas tomorrow right here Rolling Mark Unfiltered
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