November 16, 2022 • 59 mins
Who decides what belongs in a museum? And how do they decide what is museum-worthy? Meet Dr. Jocelyn Imani, the National Director of Black History and Culture at the Trust for Public Land. She plays a significant role in documenting the Black experience and ensuring African-American culture stays alive.
While most of us think of massive institutions like the Smithsonian and the Guggenheim when we think of museums, endeavoring to tell the African-American story is essential, AND IT PAYS GOOD! Dr. Imani also details how she got into this line of work and discusses the positions her company is hiring for.
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You're listening to Comedy Central now hiring. Twitter is looking
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you have minorities and people with disabilities on the roll
or whatever, you get a tax credit, you know, telling
who they're gonna hire night in the places all these thoughts,
because they ain't gonna know a goddamn thing man, I
can't wait to go back to my space. My name
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is Roy, this is my job. Fair Wednesday. It is
the best day of the week if you weren't born
on a Wednesday. My condolences to you, jes wishing you
a happy McRib awareness whatever. We're talking museum curation today.
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We have a museum curator that's going to join us
for the duration of the show and talk to us
a little bit about that life. Because you're going a
museum and we all know how most stuff getting into
a museum it was stolen from your fucking people, never
gave it back. Then they put it behind you v
protected glass and show it off for twenty dollars ahead
talking about your Museum of Britain. But who was the
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person that goes out and decides, hey, yeah, that's dope
that should go in a museum. Let me buy that
up off you. That's a very very interesting world because
you are essentially deciding what the artifacts are because of
the museum. Really ain't ship by the time capsule doing
the toilet. It's just a time capsule you can walk
in and walk around. So I'm very curious about that world.
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You know, there's certain things that are museums that I
don't think should be museums. Come on, am I the
only person that doesn't care about And it's not something
that will continue because of modern medicine. But anytime they go, oh,
this is the house where so and so was born,
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like Abe Lincoln's house where he was born, or in Tupelo, Mississippi,
you can go see the house if I'm not mistaken,
round to double check that from I think there's like
you can visit the Elvis Pressley birthplace, Like do you
do what do we does? That? Is that really a
place I need to see? Maybe I get the house
where you live, like I get grace Land. I'll give
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you Neverland. I'll give you Paisley part with Prince Frederick
Douglas home. I'm cool with the house. The house and
birthplace are two distinctly different locations. You get what I'm saying,
Like we went to Memphis, so I remember in the
first grade we went to see Alex Hayley's home and like, oh,
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this is where he wrote roots and this is okay, fine,
But the why don't where you came out your mama's kochick.
I don't know if you don't need to see that.
I don't need that different that. I don't know if
I need to visit that place, especially if they do
like a recreation, because you know how hard they'll be
going nowadays and stuff. So you walk in there somebody
screaming and crying. I don't need that kind of hologram
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in my life. That's a real name there. I don't
want that. Yeah, I just I don't know. I like
the history. I do like the history. Like the history.
So we totally disagree on this one. If you did
something notable or worthwhile in that particular place, I want
to see it. I want to know about it. I'm
probably the only black person or one of very few
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that goes to see Gone with the Wind type stuff.
I love that. I'm that I'm okay with visiting historical
landmarks from movies and films, and you know, I've I
was raised in museums and j gu from the South.
You know how they do it. They take you to
every black holy spot, Eberneezer, Baptist Civil Rights lo Rain Motel, Gummery,
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like Martin, you do the Black Tour. But I didn't
need to see the house. When Martin Luther King came
out as Mama, I one needs to see that there's
just certain things that we as a society have deemed
to be historic and worth visiting. And I'm like, I
don't know. And that's why you need curators. You need
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somebody who goes now that ain't important, that's important, come
bring that to the museum building. Like when they put
off beat stuff in museum, I will say that I
can't necessarily go to offer home the home thing, but
off beat things like I know at the African American
Museum in the Smithsonian and d C, they have the Mothership,
the parliament delic Mothership, and you know, I was tell
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them as a kid that I always kind of look,
you know, so it was just some mystical thing that
didn't exist. But they're able to go and check that
kind of odd stuff out. I like, I like that
kind of stuff. I went to the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame and they had a lot of really
cool outfits, and part of me was like, nobody care
about no damn ship a motherfucker war. And then the
more you walk around the place and it's like, oh,
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this is the actual garment that they wore by doing
the iconic thing and like there's like prints purple rain
out there. There's a Michael Jackson glove just on display,
like the thriller jacket the Thriller. I'm sure there was,
But to see that, I'm like, Okay, that I appreciate.
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But that means something to you. So that's why it's
important to you. That's why you find it interesting. Those
things mean something to you. So for those other people
things might mean something to them too. And here you
can see on the floor if you look closely at
the wood, the stain from Abe Lincoln's Mama's plus in
to out on the wood. If you get close, give
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it a sniff, and then meet me in the gift shop.
We haven't finished your I tell you a tour. I
wasn't fond of you ever walked out on the tour.
I wanted to Ellis Island, actual Liberty didn't. I didn't
have a good time at Ellis Island, and I think
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that at the time, well, to be fair, number one,
I went to Ellis Island. It was one of the
first things I went to when I was in New
York City when I moved here and we were in
the middle of you know, a lot of the black
uprising and a lot of oscar so wide, and you know,
there was just a lot of black pride flowing through
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my veins and I can't it was just so on
the tour, the tour guide, and it was just this
particular tour guy, and I'm not shipping on Ellis Island
or what it meant for a lot of people and
their descendants who came here and us was the beginning point.
I get it, I get why it's important for a
lot of people. I did not feel a sense of
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relation to that. And the person that was giving the tour,
he just kept saying the word struggle and the boat
ride and the struggle of the and the journey was
treacherous and they got here to Ellis Island and look,
I'm not here to get into struggle Olympics and you
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know they boat ride. At least they wasn't rowing like
there's a lot of ship I could have heckled him with, Yeah,
wasn't a choice. I'm just saying it was. To me,
he was really leaning into how treacherous and as it's relative,
I'm not here to shoot on nobody's sucking ancestors journey.
But for me and what I know the Transatlantic journey was.
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It wasn't this. And I'm seeing pictures and it's just
folks packed on a boat. Yeah, you ain't got no seat.
It's a little sucked up. Look crowded, nice outfits, see
what I'm saying. They still look it's nice. And at
the time, you know, you put on your best to
go across the Atlantic ocean was overstruggling. His the adjectives
was a little to struggly. And I just didn't It's
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I don't know why, but I just didn't enjoy it.
And I just I took my headset off and I
just I'll walk around and look at this ship and
take it in on my own accord. It was like,
I don't need you, and I was. I was in
the Els Island. I was in that museum probably twenty
it's an hour nine. It's a proper Yeah, I did
twenty minutes. I was outside eating the hot dog, waiting
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at the ferry for my girl and the boy. Yeah,
and my kids went and took off the headsets like
about fifteen minutes and them like that, we're just walking
around and read the things. I was like, let's walk
and read the things. That's that's that's a way better idea.
Let's just read the things and walk the hell around.
And I walked out of the Holocaust Tour, the Holocaust
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Museum Tour in d C the first time, because they
get you to a point where you follow the life
of a person to give you a card, and every step,
every station that you go to, you have to hit
the car to see whether or not your person survived.
Um and my person. We walk and there's this room
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you walk into and it's pitch black dark, but it
smells like rubber, and UM, I put my little thing
down and the whole room lights up and all you
see of the shoes and they tell you that this
is all that was left in the gas chamber after
you know, somebody went through it, just two shoes. And
I looked at the my little thing, and my dude died.
I left my car right there and walk right there
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all out. It was still a good half hour left.
I was like, I can't take it. There's too much.
Could you imagine if you went to the Black People
Museum and they gave you a card of a black
person and you had to track that all the way
through the museum to see how far you could make
it like it is honestly digitally and like sensory wise,
it is easily one of the dopest museums you will
ever go to. But I'm gonna tell you they let
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you you feel what the experience was like by the
time you leave, no question about it. It's it was
a lot, it was heavy, It's it's by far are
to me. Museum still remain to be the most submersive
form of education, even more so than teaching and classes.
You know, some of these VR headset experiences are coming
close to that. That's why you know, I still have
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a lot of faith in the kids when it comes
to see r T and getting history out of there.
What you're gonna get rid of the museum? To ho? Okay,
ok gonna go to the museum. It's time now for
Cody's most Outstanding Employee of the Week. I understand we've
got some feedback from the Native American brother, right and
did it's Jody? I don't know why I say it
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like that. Okay, what's what's Jody talking about in the email?
And Jody is the one whom Roy's job fair at
gmail dot com. If y'all want to check us and
tell us we ship like Jody did last week. Wait
a minute, told us we wasn't. Didn't tell us we
were trash because got direct. He said we could do better. Yeah,
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and that's fair. So then what do you say? What
are you saying? His email wasn't his email? He said,
job there. Thanks for the shout out today, guys, it
made my day. Roy. If you ever do a native
show and need help with native theme music, there's some
good native hip hop artists such as Steen. Check out
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his song on the f X show reservation. It's hilarious
and pretty accurate. And then he sent you a link, dopeness,
What time did that email come in? Did you say
like early? Click? I think it came in like nine
something our time. The show goes live at what five
a three am? So that means that he was up
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early here in the joint, Like, I appreciate that I
appreciated the show before we did. Yeah, basically to show
before we here. You know what I'm saying, day Jody,
we can't. We still can't say where he's a professor,
right do we know what teachers? What do we know
about Jody? We know that he's an associate professor at
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a major university, and that means he's on track for tenure,
possibly because you go from associate thing, you go to
professor blah blah blah blah blah. And I know that
he's not on social media. That's why he emailed me
on places where teachers go to vent about their students. Wait,
what's that saying? It was a magic It's wild? They
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got like a reddit for teachers. You're already talking like
a digital teacher's loud? Should we find out planet teacher
did not want to be in there? They are wild?
Do you know? The chat rooms are o C and
that's ship. I'm with it. I'm with it. What none
the less job? Hi joy working hard and teaching them
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got damn kids and then talking about them behind their back,
and then turning right back around and teaching them kids again,
which means you really don't mean you have to should
you be talking when you should talk to them kids?
For that? Jobe co Most Outstanding Employee of the Week
brought to you by Sackleston State Community College, Worst and
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first time Now there is a I have mixed feelings
about black history museums, and one of my famed bits
from uh Royer Junior file to figure two thousand seventeen,
Available streaming now on Paramount Plus. Well I talked about
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you know, let me pose this question to both of y'all.
J G. Third, would you rather get a tour of
a civil rights museum from a black employee or a
white employee. That's a real question, real question. I posed
this question. I'm special. Yeah, a white museum guests should
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have a white tour guy. Yeah, I agree, and a
black person because because because if not, you end up
asking uncomfortable, weird ask questions and Ship. That's why I
look at it. Why are you segregating them? I'm not
segregating them? First of all, I'm not letting me explain,
because if you're a black person and you're a tour
guid at a black history museum, there's a lot of
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bad news up and down them home. And you might
have a little positive corridor with Obama and Kobe and
Oprah and the brother who invented the super socer, But
most of that Black history museum is gonna be some
mean and evil and funked up. Ship, do you want
your white guests at four thirty in the evening with
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this brother who ain't done nothing but stead of struggle
for eight hours? Is that who you won't talk to
the white folks? Yes, will never come back? Yes I do.
Why no, No, cluse him out? Are you telling you this
this is why I didn't get the job at of Smithsonia.
It's just why because I keep you shouldn't quote Francis
Chris Wilson when you're talking to people about things that
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are professional. That's all I'm saying. They don't want to
hear me, but go ahead, I'm sorry. The thing that
I have loved it's been happening in this country i'd
say probably the last five to ten years, is that
we are finally taking time to properly recognize a lot
of places that are not just black, but also indigenous,
and that these places are sacred, These places are important.
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I'm talking about you, late lad. Yes, we're gonna only
you motherfucker's down under the world. I know that's a
separate conversation, but I really do love you. Know this podcast,
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I've said it a million times off with this podcast
is about learning about those jobs that you just you know,
you knew it had to be a job, but it
didn't like oh yeah, somebody does have to plan black
monument and protect black life. Who is that person? J G.
Who do we have on the line. We have a
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doctor joycelin A Money and she serves as a National
Director of Black History and Culture at the Trust for
Public Lands. In her roles, she's focused on protecting and
preserving sites related to the Black experience in America. She
essentially helps create black parks, and she'll be talking with
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you today about the importance and the impact of her
role within black communities in America, as well as job
openings in her department. Hello, doctor a Money fire. Hey,
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you come bearing jobs and we are appreciate it. I
do come bearing jobs. How did you get into this role?
I have a million questions, but first and foremost how
did you get to where you are? Because you have
to already give a damn about history? I know, book
or her yacht. She puts something in here about you
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you taught you as history that fits and Howard University
respectfully shut up. I knew he was about to say,
I can't. I love my house. I'm a bulldog and advisor.
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How do you get into the job of basically deciding, Hey,
this right here, this little piece of land. Yeah, we're
gonna make this a little spot where we're gonna remember
some things. Yeah. Well the short answer is God. But
but the real the other answer is that I was
surfing on line then one day and I happened to
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see this job description and I was like, Oh, here's
all these things that I do. Because oftentimes the profession
of history. I have a PhD in history. Most PhDs
go Tinger Track, go academia. I didn't do that. I
went public history. So then I went to the Park Service,
National Park Service, I went to the Smithsonian. I've had
my own consulting firm just doing ad hoc random public
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history projects. I've taught on the collegians level, was an
adjunctive lecturer. And I'm also a musician sometimes, so all
of these various things. And I had lived separately, and
when I saw the job description for my current position,
it was all over and together, and I was like, Oh,
this will be fun. Uh. So I happened to apply.
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But I got into history in undergrad. I actually came
to Fisk and I was gonna major business. And my
mother is a fist you Beliee Singer. I heard some
presentation on fist you reliefe angers, and I had grown
up with this story. I thought I knew everything, and
I didn't. It was, you know, eighty five percent of
the presentation was brand new. So I remember leaving that
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presentation and I had a thought, that wasn't my own
change your major history? I did, and I called my
mom excited, you know, Freshman week. Mom's six, I haven't
change my major history. She's like, I don't know what
you're gonna do with that, but all right, I love it.
And then graduating, every door away from Howard University closed
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and every door toward Howard University opened. I honestly, you know,
blessed that version of me because I had no idea
what I was getting into. But I just found myself there.
And I've just been following piece by piece by piece
with faith and hard work, and God has been Now
some of those pieces led you to work with the
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National Park Service for a little bit, and now you
must sees as Grant National Historic Site for a little bit.
And then you was over there the Office of Curatorial
Affairs at the Smithsonian. It's two for a little bit.
Now what is the process? You know? And book of
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her yacht was able to dig up some stuff here
and and South Georgia girl as well. I did not
know this. Securatori's office said, I need to know. I
like big words and everything. But you pick, you curate,
you pick pick the stuff. You know your curatory, you
know you picked the stuf. You picked the stuff that
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goes in the museum. I'm just guessing yes, yes, that's
where the curator, museum specialists, the curatorial assistance, all the
people who research. So then do that all working? Okay,
so quick off framp on that. How do you decide
what's good enough going to museum versus Well, it depends
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on the museum's collection. So at the National Museum African
American History and Culture, one of the easiest to permanence
was does this tell a national story versus to tell
a regional story or a local story, in which case,
if it doesn't meet that criteria, we refer it to
some of our other friends. And I'm a member of
the Association of African American Museums, which is and and
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so we wanted to make sure that other museum collections
were being enhanced as well. Um, there's also the question
of integrity. Is the is the like is the object
in good condition? Will it require a lot of upkeep?
Is it you know? Is there a clear provenance? Yeah?
Do you know where it came from? So something like,
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for example, a red piece of paper would not necessarily
be great because red as a color deteriorates fastest in light,
or something like a feather boa feather fur requires a
lot of upkeeps, so it has to be somebody's you know,
the question of the value of this acquisition, drain of
resources of the institution. Long term, I'm thinking about the
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First Ladies collection of gowns because you know, the temperature
in that particular area of the museum is out of
control because there are so many pieces of furs. There's diamonds,
their pearls, and that's what they made me think of.
I apologize, Roy, but I have so many questions. So
they have the climate, so you have to think about
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the climate, and that part of the museum versus another
part of the museum is a hotter or code of
when we're dealing with the clothing like silver rights suits.
So let me not even get out of my bad
because I'm not a conservator, but I think it's a
little close because as a whole other conservators and the
people who deal with collections management is a whole separate job.
Eisiest way to think about it. Conservators are the producers
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curators of the art and how they preserve the diaper
from my man from Parliament. That's what I need to know.
I know you can't answer that. Yeah, I forget his
name right now, but yeah he you or a diaper
and the diapers in the sis think that's crazy. And
let me just know first, ladies, is in American history
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that parliament stuff is in African Americans their customer from?
Where where do you all get all of this stuff from? Like, so,
if we're gonna if you go right, so real quick
back to the back to the stat that Yat and
Randa found, one hund your thousand sites in this country
are part of the National Register, but only two percent
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of those sites tell black stories. So you will decide, Hey,
we're gonna build a thing, and we need to put
things inside of this thing. Who was sending the stuff
that you in turn yea or nay or reject as
a conservative conservat terror conservative. So so oftentimes those are
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two different sides of the game. The historic sites and
the sites that are on the Register are often managed
by National Park Service by independent nonprofits. Those are places
versus artifacts and things like that often go into museums.
Does there are some collections like I also used to
work at Frederick Douglas's house and Anacostia. Yeah, the side,
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it's a beautiful site. Of those objects are in our
inside that are any percent of the things that are
in that our original to that house. So a lot
of times historic sites that have artifacts in them, they're
original to that house. They don't necessarily go and put
them into the house because houses and sites aren't as
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climately controlled as your museums. But question about like sourcing collections,
It is anything from just relationships asking people questions and yes,
I see the note that seventy degrees fahrenheit plus a
honor for degrees is generally the standard um. There's also
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I don't want to get to lye in it's a
humidity percentage. I want to say we used to be
between fifty and sixty percent humidity, But don't give me
the lion if it's too low humidity. There we got
relative humidity pulser minus a percent. Want it runs the
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world clarified, like fact, I clear everyone that I'm in
a story and that does like the curatorial side I
have about in conservation at the Lists Grant Nationalist Sword site,
but that's so far out of my depth because that
really is like knowing I had to learn the new
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the new software for the pen monitors, how do you
clean the moldy book collection, and all these other questions
that I actually didn't do. It goes on and on
and on, but just a no non relative humidity. If
it's too low humidity, it's brittle and things can break.
And if it's too high mold. We run in the
same circles. I'm a conservation as I used to work
for a nature conservancy, a global conservation organization. So yes,
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when I saw the trust with all the same people, yeah,
because absolutely, I'm gonna stop because I have another question.
But go ahead, boy, I have like four questions. Job
would be regular, job fair. We are speaking with Dr
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Johnson about the world of museum curation and creating these wonderful,
wonderful facilities where black stories can be told, and not
just that, but you know, we need to talk to
a little bit about these state parks and all this
open air space where she's worked as well, Like it's
just so much to learn from her. But then, but first,
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take a little break from talking about that occupation to
speak with a man who I don't know if you
knew this or not. J G. He has had sex
in for natural history museums across this country. Respect. He's
the author of the New York Times best selling book
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How to Recycle Gifts from your Last Side Check for
your New Side Check. Oh my gosh, it was our
best seller. Yeah, it's the best seller. Smima named Murado.
We calling Rod for a short Rod. Are you a
museum person? Oh? Yeah, I love history and I love art,
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and so museums are just the perfect combination of both
those things. Yeah, I'm very big in the museums. Now,
I don't mind him. We were talking a little earlier
about the Holocaust museums and how it's a tragedy that's
just so unimaginable that me going into voluntarily down old
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all of that at one time. Is it like even
the African American History Museum in d C. Like, I've
only gone to three floors. I haven't done that museum,
and it's intil I've been twice and it's just it's
just so much stuff. I've seen enough black drama. I'm
good on the museum. I don't need to see the museum.
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And there's been a couple of movies and films about
the Holocaust. We were showing a lot of that stuff
in school as well. Shindler's listen to like so you've learned.
I've learned about it, but then to go in and
get the granular details, Yeah, it can definitely be a lot.
We bring Rod on this program to give you topics
to break the ice with co workers. You can't stand.
(29:44):
It's about that time a year where you know you
gotta you gotta get ready for these shitty holiday parties.
And well, what did Chrismas do to you? You? I
know to say, nobody that hates Christmas parties since this
out of the grit you a positive word about Christmas
(30:09):
party because they're just a set up for you to
lose your job. Ever since you took the female Hui
p Newton to that Cat's party, you have been anti
core gathering so fucking hard lot key. I was nervous
(30:32):
about j g rolling with me to the end because
I don't I don't know, I'm too traumatized. How do
I know. I'll bring you to the party and then
you don't hug white people either. Now that first party,
some of those hoods were a little weird. I was like,
(30:52):
wait at their hands? What your hands? Hey, Roight Erry,
who is a listener. He has a new job and
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the fastest growing online used car dealer, and he wanted
you to know that your segment helps him. Shout out
to tear. Is that Terry down in Montgomery? No, that's
(31:16):
Terry that um Rod met? Where were you, Rod? You
were performing somewhere I wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He
brought the sun with him and whatever. Yeah. Yeah, he
has a new job, fastest growing online used car dealer
in the United States. We are not allowed to say
their name, but he works with them now. So congratulations Terry.
(31:37):
Keep on climbing, terr. It is dope. Turn it over
to you, Rod. Is you always do well? Uh? The
black community would probably be very interested in this story.
It was a pretty big story recently. Uh you know
when I am g Academy, the sports high school conglomerate
that got into that scandal with Bishop Sycamore of the
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fake high school out of Ohio. We talked about the
bunch of year old men pretending school students. Well it
has happened to I F G Academy again. They recently
put a beat down on West Toronto Prep out of
Canada that was so vicious they forfeited the game at
(32:23):
halftime as it was ninety six to nothing at halftime
it was nineties simp and they was like, all right,
this game over happen man, nothing like highlights are just
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as awful as they were against Bishop Sycamore. Those those
guys from West Toronto Prep like a bunch of six
year olds that had never heard of football in that life.
So see, at this point, now you can't feel sorry
for i MG, because now y'all aren't. You're just playing
whoever you want to play so you can get on
team showcase your recruits, al right, right, flip it up
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for the folks here. Oh, no other side. White people
might be super interested in this one. Uh t S.
A agents and airport in South Florida recently found a
gun hidden inside of a raw turkey coming through the airport,
and I do not understand who they thought they were
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fooling with that one. First of all, a cup or
raw turkey being brought through the airport is wildly suspicious,
like what Beavis and butt Head as person was like,
I had this my fucking turkey. They won't see it.
It's like it's an X ray machine. I'm looking for bombs.
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They're gonna nerds. It's a fucking nine millimeter stuff inside
the day of turkey or anything. No, No, it wasn't it.
For it was in a plastic bag. I guess they're
making out lead these days. It didn't do that part right.
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They wrapped good, had a plastic bag and stuffed it
inside and uncooked turkey, and they brought it through the
damn airport. And that's just insane. Man white like words.
If we had a t s A agent on you, heaven,
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I know a lot of former ts WI should because
the ship they find is wild. People do that kind
of crazy ship. I just read a story the other
day about the dude who went and pawned a chainsaw
that he had just used to chop up his roommate.
It's still had flesh and blood on it. You don't
think they're gonna cos even in the shower and nothing
(35:03):
that would for the dead episode right there. That's my
give me for this one. I don't know. I'm probably
about fifteen the life. Motherfucker. I have a sad bar.
When possible, I got a sad bar, so I decided
to clean under the sink and I found some show
(35:25):
entail for the relationship. There's some wedding ring stuff. You
found one of your engagement rings under the found three
three engagement three. I'm doing this little thing right here.
I can't think of a more. I don't give a
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funk about the largest gesture of love knowing the man.
Then I put my engagement rings under the sink next
to the drain. I'm gonna break sit down into a
pair of ear rings because of these rubber gloves. Oh,
three engagement rings. They were in this little thing that
(36:09):
looks like that's what you used to keep your crackhead.
Get some diamond earrings in here that we're a kissed
and some other stuff. I just throw it them in
this little thing and put it shrink. It's like a
sucking like a serial killer. That looks like is that
the chicken that the chicken? Dudes, that is that wanted
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the chicken dudes. The chicken dudes. That's this one. It
was so pretty. I talked about that. I found it under.
If you decide to fly with them, don't put them
in a turkey. It's not a good stash. His mom
(36:51):
and named Rodo We call him Rob. The Short Rod
podcast is Uncle Rod's story Corner. You can get it
wherever you download audio. Believe Rod, we beat your dude brother. Yeah, yeah,
that's up. I can't wait for this relationship fair man,
y'all got there. If you got some relationship drama at
your job, you need to call us, show what us
(37:17):
this one. This is gonna be a good one. But
they don't need to talk to you because people that
is not true. I am the nicest person to guys
that I date. When I date that's one of that's
one of my fuckers who Rings you kept? Ask him
if you name in the dark under your sink strings.
(37:40):
I'm a nice person. Rings ain't time. I'm glad I
take you once a year to talk to all three
year you're all gonna put your back. All these women
that would go to the end of the earth for
one engagement. Rig and she got three of them under
her Damn saying as as I said, roy I don't
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need any help, but she does need a jewelry box,
fellows Christmas? Is I need a jewelry box? That's true.
Let's get back to Dr Joscelyn scam of a week time.
There's so many untold Black stories. How do you decide
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which one to tell next? So I'm glad you asked.
That's why they hired me is to help lead that strategy.
So for me, one of the number one criteria that
I have is self determination? Are black people driving the
car in this story? Because one of my huge pet
peeves when you go to some historic sites you learn
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about the white supremacist domestic terrorism that black people have
had to like survive through and it's like, oh the
end and black people got the vote of mye act
or oh at the end, black people got free, but
you that through forty five minutes debasement and humanitation. So
for me, I've been really intentional in reframing the stories
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we already have and preserving the stories we're about to
UM protect, in making sure that it's black people having
easy for themselves and having self defence. So that's number
one national stories UM with the trust from public Land.
There's a lot we have expertise in real estate and
we deal with like research. We're also trying to put
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a park within ten minutes of every American, So there's
all these other factors that are parks served, and park
score tools help us identify, like is it doesn't need
a is it in the heat? I the tree canopies,
all these other things, on and on and on. That's
what's up when you when you go back to d
C and you go to Frederick Douglas House. Yeah, I
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need you to just go in there and redo the
entire intro movie like that's been there from like that
it's actually underway. Thank you. Oh you're talking about the
intro movie that like all the Black Museum down here
and learn all the struggle before you see the exhibits
to have to take students to Frederick Douglas House. And
part of taking the students there, you gotta watch this
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movie about Frederick Douglas. But it was done in like
the late six like sixties, early seventies, so all the
graphics are bad. It does not stand the test of time.
There's like white people talking to black folks in the
film Hella crazy and Frederick Douglas looking hella crazy and
you're in the hands from the school will always make
fun of you when you come to the drink. Hey man,
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why do you guys learn about this? Dude? Man like,
we look at this, why were you talking about this?
But so let me say and this is this is
why it's important for more people of color and more
people that have a nuanced understanding of ours in these positions,
because I know it's you know, I hope I'll get
in trouble for saying this, but I know that that
is being redone. I want to just shout out to
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the superintendent. It's amazing black woman. Je person who has
been at National Capital Parks East Frederick Douglas is a part.
Is one of a group of parts National Capital Parksclu's
Anacostia Carter, Jo Woodson, Mary film for DuPont Cannet Work, etcetera, etcetera.
Talk about it. She's actually redoing that. So that's been good.
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I don't want service anymore, so I don't know when
it's coming out to a friend of mine. Again, promise
you we know all the same people. I promise. I'm sure, Jacqueline,
I've not seeing you this excited and a long time
because what she does is preserving our history and telling
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our stories, and she's unearthing the real stories. They put
someone in place who's not gonna greenwash it, who's not
gonna whitewash it, and who is going to get to
the bottom of it, and that makes me so how
be I love what you do. I simply love what
you do. Thank you absolutely, because you know they want
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us to greenwash and whitewash. But that's a whole another issue.
But I mean, like you know, I grew up in
church and they say you know the truth and make
you free. You shall know the truth and the truth
to make you free. And so I've been really bless
to have a career that's just telling the truth. Absolutely
can I do. I'm a Southern woman. I actually don't
want anybody to feel bad. I just tell you the
(42:28):
truth and we can work through it together. Absolutely. Well.
I was just gonna say, this is adjacent to the
work that you do. Number one. I want your thoughts,
your opinions, or whatever you're thinking. As Lizzo was actually
playing the flutes of I really I wanted to be like,
(42:52):
did we not learn from Kim Kardashian, stop playing sections,
stop taking elections out of I really did love it,
but for the people who don't know, let's just recap
the start for the people don't know so they could
follow us. A while back, Lizzo was playing a concert
in Washington, d C. And apparently James Madison had a
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flute that was like two hundred years old, and like
store the way and where you flute? Yeah, which, just
get that flute from down the hallway and give it
to Lizzo, And Lizzo played the slavery flue. I thought
she was gonna su up in summons and slave masters.
That's why she played a slave. Don't you played that
(43:35):
slavery flute? That damn Augustin goes the cloud opened up,
so yeah, but go ahead. And the thing that I
referenced is Kim Kardashian Marilyn my room dress out and
words yalla and put it out. The damage that can
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come from people and properly using collections is immersible. These
things are irreplaceable, So I was like, why are we
doing this again? However, Carla Hayden, like Karla Hayden, who
is the black woman that runs there in Congress offered
to Liz Oh personally on Twitter. So once I saw it,
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I was like, well, that ain't my circus now myself,
I tell my monkeys, let me fall back plane. Just
because it's a black person at to him, don't mean
it's a good decision. That is not something I am
quite side to say. I thought about. I thought about
the cleaning because I used to play flute. Yeah, I
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played flute enough to know speak get on down through
there where the flute speak it on down through there.
So then that means the conservatives have to undo the flute,
clean it. And with something that old like that, that's
what's a conservation is a whole scientist to itself when
you git spitting up that nasty Did they clean them
(45:04):
before they putting that up? Did they at least put
some hand sanitizer on it before lizy plated savery even
goes into the chemistry of conservation because certain certain materials
that are old and have aged in certain ways require
special cleaning products, etcetera, etcetera. That's not my lane, but
(45:25):
that's what I thought about, is like them poor conservators,
the worry that that metal was treated the same way
that metal is now. Um, I forget the process where
you dropped the metal in like electrified waters clear animated crystal.
It was made of clearystal. Somebody was drooling in there
and they dried. You can see that. I was slavery
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spit man. When you bring them in, you to assess
some clean them, treat them. So if there was some
pried up spit, they probably area out there. Just okay,
you mean that played that? I'm sorry. When I worked
at the Nature Conservancy, I made good money. What does
(46:12):
it look like over that the trust talk about it.
God has blessed me. I would not have I would
not have left my good government job if the numbers
weren't talking right. Yes, yes, yes, but you know it varies,
and I will say our leadership, our CEO, Diane Reguez,
has been a woman who has been very intentional about
(46:36):
making sure that pay raises are adequate because the money
ain't the same everybody across the organization. I said in
the national seat, I'm a you know, director in the
national level. That's not necessarily going to be the same
pay as a field associate, project associate somewhere. So that
has been a conversation. We just had our staff retreat
in the Rocky Mountains a couple of weeks ago, and
(46:56):
that was a conversation to make sure that the pay
is equitable for everyone, because there's a lot of there's
to be well honest in this field, not just the
green field, but in my career, there have been a
lot of there's a lot of prohibitive barriers if you
are not rich to get into this field. When yes,
so like me and my brand new PhD, just because
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of like circumstances ended up right down to the unemployment
office on Minnesota Avenue when I first yeah, like it's real,
and even for my post stock at smith Sony and
I say it now because it's it's past, but that
wasn't I did not make a living wage. I just
made this, took a gamble on myself in Washington, d C.
(47:39):
Because I knew that the knowledge that I would get
from being there was worth the experience. But if I
didn't have faith in community, I might not be where
I am to be were honest. And now it's finally
starting the last thing for me, Roy, I promise you,
because I could go on and on here, I I
just want you to reiterate that these jobs are there,
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they do pay well. These industries are trying to bring
the money up to the level if they don't already.
And then also when you travel around because I covered
the Southeast for that Global Conservation organization, Baby, I saw everything,
so I got paid well and I traveled well, but
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I got to tell our story. So when you leave,
tell more people to come into these organizations. Let's after
the break, we're gonna get into exactly that. Let's talk
about those jobs, because we need to know what's going on.
So you can get a job and stop people from
playing slavery flute, could summon the wrong slate and don't
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tend them. Step porter open up and masters come through,
and then we have an interglectic metal and all the
black people just get up and start cleaning ship in
that y'all playing with fireband, y'all, but lead them old
instruments alone. That's a job fair. We'll be right back.
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Job their round and third headed for home. We are
talking with Dr Joscelyn and Money, the National Director of
Black History and Culture. Yeah, working in these museums, deciding
what to put in the museums, deciding where to put
a museum and deciding what does and doesn't belong in
the museum. Isn't thankless job as you do the best
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you can to create these tangible places for black people
to go and get angry at white folks. Well, that's
not the side effect, and it might not be the purpose,
but it is one of the mini side effects is
going to some of these fine establishments that you have curated,
(49:58):
just walk outside and all kind of white people. But
but I'm just saying, I hope that you leave these
places feeling inspired and proud because we have ancestors. We
come from some powerful people man, and we do, whether
it's your direct ancestors or your communal ancestors, the paths
that have been made, the ways that have been set
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forth for me. And when I visit history sites, whether
it's a historic site of place or a museum, oftentimes
I'm just amazed at the resilience and I'm inspired to
keep on going. We also talked before we came on
air about something I cannot go into certain museums because
there is a block. That's what we're talking about. Thank you?
(50:45):
Can you explain that more? R money? What do you mean? Yeah?
What is that? Yeah? So, like I was telling them
that there are certain places, um, where the story is
so heavy that oftentimes it's very difficult to go. And
I told him about when I worked at Smithsonian, I
couldn't go into the m U Till section at first.
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I had to go uh. And I won't tell that
other story on on air, but I I had to
brace myself what I would in terms of folks that
find the stories too heavy to engage with, UM, I
think prayer is very helpful libations. I'll tell you. When
I worked at Grand Canyon, I learned about all of
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the native tribes that have been marched out of the
and removed. And I don't know if I suld say
this and not, but about twenty to thirty people die
every year at the Grand Canyon. And for me, with
my background, I was like, Oh, those are angry spirits,
so let me go home. We go ahead. One day,
at the beginning of my tenure, I went at dusk
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to the edge of the remember the canyon, and I
just poured libation, and I asked for a safe passage
for those beers, and I asked them to guide me
and to help me do this. We were doing that. Man,
that's what you're opposed to do. That's what I was
raised up, that's supposed to do, right, Yeah, this work
is very, very spiritual. Immediately I came to speak to
some of my colleagues. I went. I went to Montgomery
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to the Legacy Museum and the Equal Justice Initiative and
what they have set up A lot of people affectionately
called it the Lynching Memorial, where you know, there's a dirt,
there's dirt from the soil of every recorded lynching in
the history of our country, all there in one place,
and each little jar of dirt represents a dead black person.
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And it was a lot that one. And I'm glad
I went at like eleven o'clock in the morning, so
I had the rest of the day to kind of
come down. I couldn't imagine going to something like that
at five thirty. Haven't dine and it just and good night. No,
a lot of these museums, low key, Dr Johncelyn, y'all
need to put a Pixar movie at the exit the
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representation of slavery. Alright, yes, I know you've taken in
a lot. Here's toy story too, to rush it on all. Well,
that's why, that's why some museums and this is even
going back to the work of the Trust Republics. That's
why a lot of spaces have started crafting landscape to
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allow for memorial space for whether they have a water
feature in the land or just some green space a lot.
That's been a move across the field and a lot
of institutions. Again, although there's an association of African American museums,
they're not like all one museum, individual folks that are
decided on their own as their individual budgets can fit.
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But that's been a move because that's something you know,
that's something that is happening, particularly as we get too
younger and younger generations who are removed from this history
and when they're brought into it, it's very heavy. So
you know, some of the work, some of the things
that Trust republic Land has done, we did the Philando
(53:58):
Casteele Memorial. Yeah, those are even in terms of going
back to that point of self determination and how how
we pick the spaces that we do. It's about, like
i I've told my colleagues, those are not sites where
we're championing the story of state sponsor violence and black
men those rights, where we are championing the story of
(54:19):
resilience and self determination to preserve those narratives and champion
them high so that shifting perspective and that utilizing the
lands to heal is important. This is This has been
a wonderful conversation. Like I don't even have time, unfortunately
to get into you with the conversation about CRT and
(54:40):
black history and whether or not you're dealing with a
lot of backlash at the state government level. Yes, okay,
perfect quick answer. Thank you. Tell us a little bit
about the positions that you're hiring for. I know some
of it's in in office, and I know some of
it is remote, but I would love for people to
know ways that they could integrate themselves into your world.
(55:01):
So the Trust republic Land is always hiring a bevy
of careers. So right now I went to our website,
which is TPL dot org is and Trust republic Land
dot org slash careers, and just right now there's a
prospect development see your analysts. That's remote philanthropy, associate philanthropy,
marketing program managers, state directors, trails, I mean, legal counsel.
(55:27):
There's a whole bunch of jobs and that's just page
one of I don't know how many called Vanessa Martin
for that marketing job. Be Essa where you know, not
baby were in the same circles you think I'm playing.
Vanessa is my is an amazing colleague, and she will
appreciate she came from the Nature Conservancy. But yeah, these
(55:51):
these jobs which again and not just at the Trust
republic Land, within this field of doing black history, there
are mark getting people that when we close the land deal,
I just speak to the Trust republic Land. Although this
consisting of when we close a land deal, somebody has
to publicize it, somebody has to do the research on
those real assets, somebody has to raise the money to
(56:14):
do it. And there's all these levels of philanthropy jobs.
There are back in jobs because we have to have
accountants and finance folks, on and on and on and
on and on a bunch of different jobs. I got
my start in the National Park Service, which people say
there's a job for everybody in the Park Service, but
the same for the Trust republic Land, Sanford Smithsonian, on
and on and on. But our website is TPO dot
(56:36):
org slash careers. No idea was just comp no idea,
Like that's mind blowing. The staggering. The Nature Conservancy also
taught me how to raise multiple millions of dollars, so
that although I was in marketing, we had to go
into the philanthropy aspect as well. So don't just go
into these jobs just single focused on what you're supposed
(57:00):
to do. Get into those other departments. You gotta have
seven touches to raise multiple millions of dollars. Come on, girl,
absolutely shout out to Anna Barbara and associates, because that's
a black woman who owns her own philanthropy. That's how
I learned that. Well, I can't thank you enough. And
when the time comes, Dr Joscelyn and money and it's
(57:23):
time to time to break ground in the Birmingham Civil
Rights District on the Roywood Junior Historical Batting Cages and
radio history Museum. Okay, reach out to you so that
when I'm dead and going, I want you all to
have civil rights bad and kids. You can't talk about
black journalists. That's yes, I like baseball, That's what I wanted.
(57:46):
Bill show you want, I've got Bill your museum. So
I just want to make sure the bed cage in it,
beden cage in it. And on the other side, a
bunch of Stewart Scott exhibits and my daddy Right, Okay,
I got you got out to Bronch Shawn Fred Hickman
or something like that. But thank you so much for coming.
Thank you always for Repence family, Thank you for representing
(58:10):
your albuma mater. I appreciate you. I tried, I tried
my best. Appreciate you, but I appreciate y'all. Thank you
so much for coming on. Appreciate your dr the same thing.
All right, that's the show Royce John Fare is a
product of I Heart Media, Comedy Central and South Park
(58:31):
and Princeton Productions. Learned the like today, I kind of
started thinking about the stuff that I would putting the museum.
It's going to be nice. I still got my nikes
from my second comedy special, what's your humidity for those?
Put them in humidity at sendny degrees or whatever? Then
(58:52):
what kind of sucks did you wear with those shoes?
I don't know, but you don't want them in the music.
I think we didn't want the museum. Like the first
pair of us drawings for the show, Oh my lord,
historical and we're gonna ge right there. This has been
(59:12):
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who they're gonna hire night in the places all these thoughts,
because they ain't gonna know a goddamn thing man, I
can't wait to go back to my space. My name
(01:47):
is Roy, this is my job. Fair Wednesday. It is
the best day of the week if you weren't born
on a Wednesday. My condolences to you, jes wishing you
a happy McRib awareness whatever. We're talking museum curation today.
(02:09):
We have a museum curator that's going to join us
for the duration of the show and talk to us
a little bit about that life. Because you're going a
museum and we all know how most stuff getting into
a museum it was stolen from your fucking people, never
gave it back. Then they put it behind you v
protected glass and show it off for twenty dollars ahead
talking about your Museum of Britain. But who was the
(02:31):
person that goes out and decides, hey, yeah, that's dope
that should go in a museum. Let me buy that
up off you. That's a very very interesting world because
you are essentially deciding what the artifacts are because of
the museum. Really ain't ship by the time capsule doing
the toilet. It's just a time capsule you can walk
in and walk around. So I'm very curious about that world.
(02:53):
You know, there's certain things that are museums that I
don't think should be museums. Come on, am I the
only person that doesn't care about And it's not something
that will continue because of modern medicine. But anytime they go, oh,
this is the house where so and so was born,
(03:13):
like Abe Lincoln's house where he was born, or in Tupelo, Mississippi,
you can go see the house if I'm not mistaken,
round to double check that from I think there's like
you can visit the Elvis Pressley birthplace, Like do you
do what do we does? That? Is that really a
place I need to see? Maybe I get the house
where you live, like I get grace Land. I'll give
(03:35):
you Neverland. I'll give you Paisley part with Prince Frederick
Douglas home. I'm cool with the house. The house and
birthplace are two distinctly different locations. You get what I'm saying,
Like we went to Memphis, so I remember in the
first grade we went to see Alex Hayley's home and like, oh,
(03:55):
this is where he wrote roots and this is okay, fine,
But the why don't where you came out your mama's kochick.
I don't know if you don't need to see that.
I don't need that different that. I don't know if
I need to visit that place, especially if they do
like a recreation, because you know how hard they'll be
going nowadays and stuff. So you walk in there somebody
screaming and crying. I don't need that kind of hologram
(04:16):
in my life. That's a real name there. I don't
want that. Yeah, I just I don't know. I like
the history. I do like the history. Like the history.
So we totally disagree on this one. If you did
something notable or worthwhile in that particular place, I want
to see it. I want to know about it. I'm
probably the only black person or one of very few
(04:38):
that goes to see Gone with the Wind type stuff.
I love that. I'm that I'm okay with visiting historical
landmarks from movies and films, and you know, I've I
was raised in museums and j gu from the South.
You know how they do it. They take you to
every black holy spot, Eberneezer, Baptist Civil Rights lo Rain Motel, Gummery,
(05:03):
like Martin, you do the Black Tour. But I didn't
need to see the house. When Martin Luther King came
out as Mama, I one needs to see that there's
just certain things that we as a society have deemed
to be historic and worth visiting. And I'm like, I
don't know. And that's why you need curators. You need
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somebody who goes now that ain't important, that's important, come
bring that to the museum building. Like when they put
off beat stuff in museum, I will say that I
can't necessarily go to offer home the home thing, but
off beat things like I know at the African American
Museum in the Smithsonian and d C, they have the Mothership,
the parliament delic Mothership, and you know, I was tell
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them as a kid that I always kind of look,
you know, so it was just some mystical thing that
didn't exist. But they're able to go and check that
kind of odd stuff out. I like, I like that
kind of stuff. I went to the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame and they had a lot of really
cool outfits, and part of me was like, nobody care
about no damn ship a motherfucker war. And then the
more you walk around the place and it's like, oh,
(06:05):
this is the actual garment that they wore by doing
the iconic thing and like there's like prints purple rain
out there. There's a Michael Jackson glove just on display,
like the thriller jacket the Thriller. I'm sure there was,
But to see that, I'm like, Okay, that I appreciate.
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But that means something to you. So that's why it's
important to you. That's why you find it interesting. Those
things mean something to you. So for those other people
things might mean something to them too. And here you
can see on the floor if you look closely at
the wood, the stain from Abe Lincoln's Mama's plus in
to out on the wood. If you get close, give
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it a sniff, and then meet me in the gift shop.
We haven't finished your I tell you a tour. I
wasn't fond of you ever walked out on the tour.
I wanted to Ellis Island, actual Liberty didn't. I didn't
have a good time at Ellis Island, and I think
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that at the time, well, to be fair, number one,
I went to Ellis Island. It was one of the
first things I went to when I was in New
York City when I moved here and we were in
the middle of you know, a lot of the black
uprising and a lot of oscar so wide, and you know,
there was just a lot of black pride flowing through
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my veins and I can't it was just so on
the tour, the tour guide, and it was just this
particular tour guy, and I'm not shipping on Ellis Island
or what it meant for a lot of people and
their descendants who came here and us was the beginning point.
I get it, I get why it's important for a
lot of people. I did not feel a sense of
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relation to that. And the person that was giving the tour,
he just kept saying the word struggle and the boat
ride and the struggle of the and the journey was
treacherous and they got here to Ellis Island and look,
I'm not here to get into struggle Olympics and you
(08:19):
know they boat ride. At least they wasn't rowing like
there's a lot of ship I could have heckled him with, Yeah,
wasn't a choice. I'm just saying it was. To me,
he was really leaning into how treacherous and as it's relative,
I'm not here to shoot on nobody's sucking ancestors journey.
But for me and what I know the Transatlantic journey was.
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It wasn't this. And I'm seeing pictures and it's just
folks packed on a boat. Yeah, you ain't got no seat.
It's a little sucked up. Look crowded, nice outfits, see
what I'm saying. They still look it's nice. And at
the time, you know, you put on your best to
go across the Atlantic ocean was overstruggling. His the adjectives
was a little to struggly. And I just didn't It's
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I don't know why, but I just didn't enjoy it.
And I just I took my headset off and I
just I'll walk around and look at this ship and
take it in on my own accord. It was like,
I don't need you, and I was. I was in
the Els Island. I was in that museum probably twenty
it's an hour nine. It's a proper Yeah, I did
twenty minutes. I was outside eating the hot dog, waiting
(09:28):
at the ferry for my girl and the boy. Yeah,
and my kids went and took off the headsets like
about fifteen minutes and them like that, we're just walking
around and read the things. I was like, let's walk
and read the things. That's that's that's a way better idea.
Let's just read the things and walk the hell around.
And I walked out of the Holocaust Tour, the Holocaust
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Museum Tour in d C the first time, because they
get you to a point where you follow the life
of a person to give you a card, and every step,
every station that you go to, you have to hit
the car to see whether or not your person survived.
Um and my person. We walk and there's this room
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you walk into and it's pitch black dark, but it
smells like rubber, and UM, I put my little thing
down and the whole room lights up and all you
see of the shoes and they tell you that this
is all that was left in the gas chamber after
you know, somebody went through it, just two shoes. And
I looked at the my little thing, and my dude died.
I left my car right there and walk right there
(10:30):
all out. It was still a good half hour left.
I was like, I can't take it. There's too much.
Could you imagine if you went to the Black People
Museum and they gave you a card of a black
person and you had to track that all the way
through the museum to see how far you could make
it like it is honestly digitally and like sensory wise,
it is easily one of the dopest museums you will
ever go to. But I'm gonna tell you they let
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you you feel what the experience was like by the
time you leave, no question about it. It's it was
a lot, it was heavy, It's it's by far are
to me. Museum still remain to be the most submersive
form of education, even more so than teaching and classes.
You know, some of these VR headset experiences are coming
close to that. That's why you know, I still have
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a lot of faith in the kids when it comes
to see r T and getting history out of there.
What you're gonna get rid of the museum? To ho? Okay,
ok gonna go to the museum. It's time now for
Cody's most Outstanding Employee of the Week. I understand we've
got some feedback from the Native American brother, right and
did it's Jody? I don't know why I say it
(11:37):
like that. Okay, what's what's Jody talking about in the email?
And Jody is the one whom Roy's job fair at
gmail dot com. If y'all want to check us and
tell us we ship like Jody did last week. Wait
a minute, told us we wasn't. Didn't tell us we
were trash because got direct. He said we could do better. Yeah,
(12:00):
and that's fair. So then what do you say? What
are you saying? His email wasn't his email? He said,
job there. Thanks for the shout out today, guys, it
made my day. Roy. If you ever do a native
show and need help with native theme music, there's some
good native hip hop artists such as Steen. Check out
(12:22):
his song on the f X show reservation. It's hilarious
and pretty accurate. And then he sent you a link, dopeness,
What time did that email come in? Did you say
like early? Click? I think it came in like nine
something our time. The show goes live at what five
a three am? So that means that he was up
(12:44):
early here in the joint, Like, I appreciate that I
appreciated the show before we did. Yeah, basically to show
before we here. You know what I'm saying, day Jody,
we can't. We still can't say where he's a professor,
right do we know what teachers? What do we know
about Jody? We know that he's an associate professor at
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a major university, and that means he's on track for tenure,
possibly because you go from associate thing, you go to
professor blah blah blah blah blah. And I know that
he's not on social media. That's why he emailed me
on places where teachers go to vent about their students. Wait,
what's that saying? It was a magic It's wild? They
(13:28):
got like a reddit for teachers. You're already talking like
a digital teacher's loud? Should we find out planet teacher
did not want to be in there? They are wild?
Do you know? The chat rooms are o C and
that's ship. I'm with it. I'm with it. What none
the less job? Hi joy working hard and teaching them
(13:51):
got damn kids and then talking about them behind their back,
and then turning right back around and teaching them kids again,
which means you really don't mean you have to should
you be talking when you should talk to them kids?
For that? Jobe co Most Outstanding Employee of the Week
brought to you by Sackleston State Community College, Worst and
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first time Now there is a I have mixed feelings
about black history museums, and one of my famed bits
from uh Royer Junior file to figure two thousand seventeen,
Available streaming now on Paramount Plus. Well I talked about
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you know, let me pose this question to both of y'all.
J G. Third, would you rather get a tour of
a civil rights museum from a black employee or a
white employee. That's a real question, real question. I posed
this question. I'm special. Yeah, a white museum guests should
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have a white tour guy. Yeah, I agree, and a
black person because because because if not, you end up
asking uncomfortable, weird ask questions and Ship. That's why I
look at it. Why are you segregating them? I'm not
segregating them? First of all, I'm not letting me explain,
because if you're a black person and you're a tour
guid at a black history museum, there's a lot of
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bad news up and down them home. And you might
have a little positive corridor with Obama and Kobe and
Oprah and the brother who invented the super socer, But
most of that Black history museum is gonna be some
mean and evil and funked up. Ship, do you want
your white guests at four thirty in the evening with
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this brother who ain't done nothing but stead of struggle
for eight hours? Is that who you won't talk to
the white folks? Yes, will never come back? Yes I do.
Why no, No, cluse him out? Are you telling you this
this is why I didn't get the job at of Smithsonia.
It's just why because I keep you shouldn't quote Francis
Chris Wilson when you're talking to people about things that
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are professional. That's all I'm saying. They don't want to
hear me, but go ahead, I'm sorry. The thing that
I have loved it's been happening in this country i'd
say probably the last five to ten years, is that
we are finally taking time to properly recognize a lot
of places that are not just black, but also indigenous,
and that these places are sacred, These places are important.
(16:29):
I'm talking about you, late lad. Yes, we're gonna only
you motherfucker's down under the world. I know that's a
separate conversation, but I really do love you. Know this podcast,
(16:50):
I've said it a million times off with this podcast
is about learning about those jobs that you just you know,
you knew it had to be a job, but it
didn't like oh yeah, somebody does have to plan black
monument and protect black life. Who is that person? J G.
Who do we have on the line. We have a
(17:11):
doctor joycelin A Money and she serves as a National
Director of Black History and Culture at the Trust for
Public Lands. In her roles, she's focused on protecting and
preserving sites related to the Black experience in America. She
essentially helps create black parks, and she'll be talking with
(17:35):
you today about the importance and the impact of her
role within black communities in America, as well as job
openings in her department. Hello, doctor a Money fire. Hey,
(17:57):
you come bearing jobs and we are appreciate it. I
do come bearing jobs. How did you get into this role?
I have a million questions, but first and foremost how
did you get to where you are? Because you have
to already give a damn about history? I know, book
or her yacht. She puts something in here about you
(18:19):
you taught you as history that fits and Howard University
respectfully shut up. I knew he was about to say,
I can't. I love my house. I'm a bulldog and advisor.
(18:39):
How do you get into the job of basically deciding, Hey,
this right here, this little piece of land. Yeah, we're
gonna make this a little spot where we're gonna remember
some things. Yeah. Well the short answer is God. But
but the real the other answer is that I was
surfing on line then one day and I happened to
(19:02):
see this job description and I was like, Oh, here's
all these things that I do. Because oftentimes the profession
of history. I have a PhD in history. Most PhDs
go Tinger Track, go academia. I didn't do that. I
went public history. So then I went to the Park Service,
National Park Service, I went to the Smithsonian. I've had
my own consulting firm just doing ad hoc random public
(19:26):
history projects. I've taught on the collegians level, was an
adjunctive lecturer. And I'm also a musician sometimes, so all
of these various things. And I had lived separately, and
when I saw the job description for my current position,
it was all over and together, and I was like, Oh,
this will be fun. Uh. So I happened to apply.
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But I got into history in undergrad. I actually came
to Fisk and I was gonna major business. And my
mother is a fist you Beliee Singer. I heard some
presentation on fist you reliefe angers, and I had grown
up with this story. I thought I knew everything, and
I didn't. It was, you know, eighty five percent of
the presentation was brand new. So I remember leaving that
(20:10):
presentation and I had a thought, that wasn't my own
change your major history? I did, and I called my
mom excited, you know, Freshman week. Mom's six, I haven't
change my major history. She's like, I don't know what
you're gonna do with that, but all right, I love it.
And then graduating, every door away from Howard University closed
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and every door toward Howard University opened. I honestly, you know,
blessed that version of me because I had no idea
what I was getting into. But I just found myself there.
And I've just been following piece by piece by piece
with faith and hard work, and God has been Now
some of those pieces led you to work with the
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National Park Service for a little bit, and now you
must sees as Grant National Historic Site for a little bit.
And then you was over there the Office of Curatorial
Affairs at the Smithsonian. It's two for a little bit.
Now what is the process? You know? And book of
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her yacht was able to dig up some stuff here
and and South Georgia girl as well. I did not
know this. Securatori's office said, I need to know. I
like big words and everything. But you pick, you curate,
you pick pick the stuff. You know your curatory, you
know you picked the stuf. You picked the stuff that
(21:33):
goes in the museum. I'm just guessing yes, yes, that's
where the curator, museum specialists, the curatorial assistance, all the
people who research. So then do that all working? Okay,
so quick off framp on that. How do you decide
what's good enough going to museum versus Well, it depends
(21:54):
on the museum's collection. So at the National Museum African
American History and Culture, one of the easiest to permanence
was does this tell a national story versus to tell
a regional story or a local story, in which case,
if it doesn't meet that criteria, we refer it to
some of our other friends. And I'm a member of
the Association of African American Museums, which is and and
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so we wanted to make sure that other museum collections
were being enhanced as well. Um, there's also the question
of integrity. Is the is the like is the object
in good condition? Will it require a lot of upkeep?
Is it you know? Is there a clear provenance? Yeah?
Do you know where it came from? So something like,
(22:40):
for example, a red piece of paper would not necessarily
be great because red as a color deteriorates fastest in light,
or something like a feather boa feather fur requires a
lot of upkeeps, so it has to be somebody's you know,
the question of the value of this acquisition, drain of
resources of the institution. Long term, I'm thinking about the
(23:03):
First Ladies collection of gowns because you know, the temperature
in that particular area of the museum is out of
control because there are so many pieces of furs. There's diamonds,
their pearls, and that's what they made me think of.
I apologize, Roy, but I have so many questions. So
they have the climate, so you have to think about
(23:24):
the climate, and that part of the museum versus another
part of the museum is a hotter or code of
when we're dealing with the clothing like silver rights suits.
So let me not even get out of my bad
because I'm not a conservator, but I think it's a
little close because as a whole other conservators and the
people who deal with collections management is a whole separate job.
Eisiest way to think about it. Conservators are the producers
(23:46):
curators of the art and how they preserve the diaper
from my man from Parliament. That's what I need to know.
I know you can't answer that. Yeah, I forget his
name right now, but yeah he you or a diaper
and the diapers in the sis think that's crazy. And
let me just know first, ladies, is in American history
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that parliament stuff is in African Americans their customer from?
Where where do you all get all of this stuff from? Like, so,
if we're gonna if you go right, so real quick
back to the back to the stat that Yat and
Randa found, one hund your thousand sites in this country
are part of the National Register, but only two percent
(24:29):
of those sites tell black stories. So you will decide, Hey,
we're gonna build a thing, and we need to put
things inside of this thing. Who was sending the stuff
that you in turn yea or nay or reject as
a conservative conservat terror conservative. So so oftentimes those are
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two different sides of the game. The historic sites and
the sites that are on the Register are often managed
by National Park Service by independent nonprofits. Those are places
versus artifacts and things like that often go into museums.
Does there are some collections like I also used to
work at Frederick Douglas's house and Anacostia. Yeah, the side,
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it's a beautiful site. Of those objects are in our
inside that are any percent of the things that are
in that our original to that house. So a lot
of times historic sites that have artifacts in them, they're
original to that house. They don't necessarily go and put
them into the house because houses and sites aren't as
(25:37):
climately controlled as your museums. But question about like sourcing collections,
It is anything from just relationships asking people questions and yes,
I see the note that seventy degrees fahrenheit plus a
honor for degrees is generally the standard um. There's also
(25:58):
I don't want to get to lye in it's a
humidity percentage. I want to say we used to be
between fifty and sixty percent humidity, But don't give me
the lion if it's too low humidity. There we got
relative humidity pulser minus a percent. Want it runs the
(26:18):
world clarified, like fact, I clear everyone that I'm in
a story and that does like the curatorial side I
have about in conservation at the Lists Grant Nationalist Sword site,
but that's so far out of my depth because that
really is like knowing I had to learn the new
(26:40):
the new software for the pen monitors, how do you
clean the moldy book collection, and all these other questions
that I actually didn't do. It goes on and on
and on, but just a no non relative humidity. If
it's too low humidity, it's brittle and things can break.
And if it's too high mold. We run in the
same circles. I'm a conservation as I used to work
for a nature conservancy, a global conservation organization. So yes,
(27:03):
when I saw the trust with all the same people, yeah,
because absolutely, I'm gonna stop because I have another question.
But go ahead, boy, I have like four questions. Job
would be regular, job fair. We are speaking with Dr
(27:26):
Johnson about the world of museum curation and creating these wonderful,
wonderful facilities where black stories can be told, and not
just that, but you know, we need to talk to
a little bit about these state parks and all this
open air space where she's worked as well, Like it's
just so much to learn from her. But then, but first,
(27:50):
take a little break from talking about that occupation to
speak with a man who I don't know if you
knew this or not. J G. He has had sex
in for natural history museums across this country. Respect. He's
the author of the New York Times best selling book
(28:15):
How to Recycle Gifts from your Last Side Check for
your New Side Check. Oh my gosh, it was our
best seller. Yeah, it's the best seller. Smima named Murado.
We calling Rod for a short Rod. Are you a
museum person? Oh? Yeah, I love history and I love art,
(28:37):
and so museums are just the perfect combination of both
those things. Yeah, I'm very big in the museums. Now,
I don't mind him. We were talking a little earlier
about the Holocaust museums and how it's a tragedy that's
just so unimaginable that me going into voluntarily down old
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all of that at one time. Is it like even
the African American History Museum in d C. Like, I've
only gone to three floors. I haven't done that museum,
and it's intil I've been twice and it's just it's
just so much stuff. I've seen enough black drama. I'm
good on the museum. I don't need to see the museum.
(29:21):
And there's been a couple of movies and films about
the Holocaust. We were showing a lot of that stuff
in school as well. Shindler's listen to like so you've learned.
I've learned about it, but then to go in and
get the granular details, Yeah, it can definitely be a lot.
We bring Rod on this program to give you topics
to break the ice with co workers. You can't stand.
(29:44):
It's about that time a year where you know you
gotta you gotta get ready for these shitty holiday parties.
And well, what did Chrismas do to you? You? I
know to say, nobody that hates Christmas parties since this
out of the grit you a positive word about Christmas
(30:09):
party because they're just a set up for you to
lose your job. Ever since you took the female Hui
p Newton to that Cat's party, you have been anti
core gathering so fucking hard lot key. I was nervous
(30:32):
about j g rolling with me to the end because
I don't I don't know, I'm too traumatized. How do
I know. I'll bring you to the party and then
you don't hug white people either. Now that first party,
some of those hoods were a little weird. I was like,
(30:52):
wait at their hands? What your hands? Hey, Roight Erry,
who is a listener. He has a new job and
he wanted you to know. And he's now working for
the fastest growing online used car dealer, and he wanted
you to know that your segment helps him. Shout out
to tear. Is that Terry down in Montgomery? No, that's
(31:16):
Terry that um Rod met? Where were you, Rod? You
were performing somewhere I wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He
brought the sun with him and whatever. Yeah. Yeah, he
has a new job, fastest growing online used car dealer
in the United States. We are not allowed to say
their name, but he works with them now. So congratulations Terry.
(31:37):
Keep on climbing, terr. It is dope. Turn it over
to you, Rod. Is you always do well? Uh? The
black community would probably be very interested in this story.
It was a pretty big story recently. Uh you know
when I am g Academy, the sports high school conglomerate
that got into that scandal with Bishop Sycamore of the
(32:00):
fake high school out of Ohio. We talked about the
bunch of year old men pretending school students. Well it
has happened to I F G Academy again. They recently
put a beat down on West Toronto Prep out of
Canada that was so vicious they forfeited the game at
(32:23):
halftime as it was ninety six to nothing at halftime
it was nineties simp and they was like, all right,
this game over happen man, nothing like highlights are just
(32:46):
as awful as they were against Bishop Sycamore. Those those
guys from West Toronto Prep like a bunch of six
year olds that had never heard of football in that life.
So see, at this point, now you can't feel sorry
for i MG, because now y'all aren't. You're just playing
whoever you want to play so you can get on
team showcase your recruits, al right, right, flip it up
(33:09):
for the folks here. Oh, no other side. White people
might be super interested in this one. Uh t S.
A agents and airport in South Florida recently found a
gun hidden inside of a raw turkey coming through the airport,
and I do not understand who they thought they were
(33:33):
fooling with that one. First of all, a cup or
raw turkey being brought through the airport is wildly suspicious,
like what Beavis and butt Head as person was like,
I had this my fucking turkey. They won't see it.
It's like it's an X ray machine. I'm looking for bombs.
(33:55):
They're gonna nerds. It's a fucking nine millimeter stuff inside
the day of turkey or anything. No, No, it wasn't it.
For it was in a plastic bag. I guess they're
making out lead these days. It didn't do that part right.
(34:16):
They wrapped good, had a plastic bag and stuffed it
inside and uncooked turkey, and they brought it through the
damn airport. And that's just insane. Man white like words.
If we had a t s A agent on you, heaven,
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I know a lot of former ts WI should because
the ship they find is wild. People do that kind
of crazy ship. I just read a story the other
day about the dude who went and pawned a chainsaw
that he had just used to chop up his roommate.
It's still had flesh and blood on it. You don't
think they're gonna cos even in the shower and nothing
(35:03):
that would for the dead episode right there. That's my
give me for this one. I don't know. I'm probably
about fifteen the life. Motherfucker. I have a sad bar.
When possible, I got a sad bar, so I decided
to clean under the sink and I found some show
(35:25):
entail for the relationship. There's some wedding ring stuff. You
found one of your engagement rings under the found three
three engagement three. I'm doing this little thing right here.
I can't think of a more. I don't give a
(35:45):
funk about the largest gesture of love knowing the man.
Then I put my engagement rings under the sink next
to the drain. I'm gonna break sit down into a
pair of ear rings because of these rubber gloves. Oh,
three engagement rings. They were in this little thing that
(36:09):
looks like that's what you used to keep your crackhead.
Get some diamond earrings in here that we're a kissed
and some other stuff. I just throw it them in
this little thing and put it shrink. It's like a
sucking like a serial killer. That looks like is that
the chicken that the chicken? Dudes, that is that wanted
(36:30):
the chicken dudes. The chicken dudes. That's this one. It
was so pretty. I talked about that. I found it under.
If you decide to fly with them, don't put them
in a turkey. It's not a good stash. His mom
(36:51):
and named Rodo We call him Rob. The Short Rod
podcast is Uncle Rod's story Corner. You can get it
wherever you download audio. Believe Rod, we beat your dude brother. Yeah, yeah,
that's up. I can't wait for this relationship fair man,
y'all got there. If you got some relationship drama at
your job, you need to call us, show what us
(37:17):
this one. This is gonna be a good one. But
they don't need to talk to you because people that
is not true. I am the nicest person to guys
that I date. When I date that's one of that's
one of my fuckers who Rings you kept? Ask him
if you name in the dark under your sink strings.
(37:40):
I'm a nice person. Rings ain't time. I'm glad I
take you once a year to talk to all three
year you're all gonna put your back. All these women
that would go to the end of the earth for
one engagement. Rig and she got three of them under
her Damn saying as as I said, roy I don't
(38:01):
need any help, but she does need a jewelry box,
fellows Christmas? Is I need a jewelry box? That's true.
Let's get back to Dr Joscelyn scam of a week time.
There's so many untold Black stories. How do you decide
(38:25):
which one to tell next? So I'm glad you asked.
That's why they hired me is to help lead that strategy.
So for me, one of the number one criteria that
I have is self determination? Are black people driving the
car in this story? Because one of my huge pet
peeves when you go to some historic sites you learn
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about the white supremacist domestic terrorism that black people have
had to like survive through and it's like, oh the
end and black people got the vote of mye act
or oh at the end, black people got free, but
you that through forty five minutes debasement and humanitation. So
for me, I've been really intentional in reframing the stories
(39:10):
we already have and preserving the stories we're about to
UM protect, in making sure that it's black people having
easy for themselves and having self defence. So that's number
one national stories UM with the trust from public Land.
There's a lot we have expertise in real estate and
we deal with like research. We're also trying to put
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a park within ten minutes of every American, So there's
all these other factors that are parks served, and park
score tools help us identify, like is it doesn't need
a is it in the heat? I the tree canopies,
all these other things, on and on and on. That's
what's up when you when you go back to d
C and you go to Frederick Douglas House. Yeah, I
(39:52):
need you to just go in there and redo the
entire intro movie like that's been there from like that
it's actually underway. Thank you. Oh you're talking about the
intro movie that like all the Black Museum down here
and learn all the struggle before you see the exhibits
to have to take students to Frederick Douglas House. And
part of taking the students there, you gotta watch this
(40:14):
movie about Frederick Douglas. But it was done in like
the late six like sixties, early seventies, so all the
graphics are bad. It does not stand the test of time.
There's like white people talking to black folks in the
film Hella crazy and Frederick Douglas looking hella crazy and
you're in the hands from the school will always make
fun of you when you come to the drink. Hey man,
(40:35):
why do you guys learn about this? Dude? Man like,
we look at this, why were you talking about this?
But so let me say and this is this is
why it's important for more people of color and more
people that have a nuanced understanding of ours in these positions,
because I know it's you know, I hope I'll get
in trouble for saying this, but I know that that
is being redone. I want to just shout out to
(40:56):
the superintendent. It's amazing black woman. Je person who has
been at National Capital Parks East Frederick Douglas is a part.
Is one of a group of parts National Capital Parksclu's
Anacostia Carter, Jo Woodson, Mary film for DuPont Cannet Work, etcetera, etcetera.
Talk about it. She's actually redoing that. So that's been good.
(41:18):
I don't want service anymore, so I don't know when
it's coming out to a friend of mine. Again, promise
you we know all the same people. I promise. I'm sure, Jacqueline,
I've not seeing you this excited and a long time
because what she does is preserving our history and telling
(41:44):
our stories, and she's unearthing the real stories. They put
someone in place who's not gonna greenwash it, who's not
gonna whitewash it, and who is going to get to
the bottom of it, and that makes me so how
be I love what you do. I simply love what
you do. Thank you absolutely, because you know they want
(42:06):
us to greenwash and whitewash. But that's a whole another issue.
But I mean, like you know, I grew up in
church and they say you know the truth and make
you free. You shall know the truth and the truth
to make you free. And so I've been really bless
to have a career that's just telling the truth. Absolutely
can I do. I'm a Southern woman. I actually don't
want anybody to feel bad. I just tell you the
(42:28):
truth and we can work through it together. Absolutely. Well.
I was just gonna say, this is adjacent to the
work that you do. Number one. I want your thoughts,
your opinions, or whatever you're thinking. As Lizzo was actually
playing the flutes of I really I wanted to be like,
(42:52):
did we not learn from Kim Kardashian, stop playing sections,
stop taking elections out of I really did love it,
but for the people who don't know, let's just recap
the start for the people don't know so they could
follow us. A while back, Lizzo was playing a concert
in Washington, d C. And apparently James Madison had a
(43:12):
flute that was like two hundred years old, and like
store the way and where you flute? Yeah, which, just
get that flute from down the hallway and give it
to Lizzo, And Lizzo played the slavery flue. I thought
she was gonna su up in summons and slave masters.
That's why she played a slave. Don't you played that
(43:35):
slavery flute? That damn Augustin goes the cloud opened up,
so yeah, but go ahead. And the thing that I
referenced is Kim Kardashian Marilyn my room dress out and
words yalla and put it out. The damage that can
(43:56):
come from people and properly using collections is immersible. These
things are irreplaceable, So I was like, why are we
doing this again? However, Carla Hayden, like Karla Hayden, who
is the black woman that runs there in Congress offered
to Liz Oh personally on Twitter. So once I saw it,
(44:17):
I was like, well, that ain't my circus now myself,
I tell my monkeys, let me fall back plane. Just
because it's a black person at to him, don't mean
it's a good decision. That is not something I am
quite side to say. I thought about. I thought about
the cleaning because I used to play flute. Yeah, I
(44:40):
played flute enough to know speak get on down through
there where the flute speak it on down through there.
So then that means the conservatives have to undo the flute,
clean it. And with something that old like that, that's
what's a conservation is a whole scientist to itself when
you git spitting up that nasty Did they clean them
(45:04):
before they putting that up? Did they at least put
some hand sanitizer on it before lizy plated savery even
goes into the chemistry of conservation because certain certain materials
that are old and have aged in certain ways require
special cleaning products, etcetera, etcetera. That's not my lane, but
(45:25):
that's what I thought about, is like them poor conservators,
the worry that that metal was treated the same way
that metal is now. Um, I forget the process where
you dropped the metal in like electrified waters clear animated crystal.
It was made of clearystal. Somebody was drooling in there
and they dried. You can see that. I was slavery
(45:48):
spit man. When you bring them in, you to assess
some clean them, treat them. So if there was some
pried up spit, they probably area out there. Just okay,
you mean that played that? I'm sorry. When I worked
at the Nature Conservancy, I made good money. What does
(46:12):
it look like over that the trust talk about it.
God has blessed me. I would not have I would
not have left my good government job if the numbers
weren't talking right. Yes, yes, yes, but you know it varies,
and I will say our leadership, our CEO, Diane Reguez,
has been a woman who has been very intentional about
(46:36):
making sure that pay raises are adequate because the money
ain't the same everybody across the organization. I said in
the national seat, I'm a you know, director in the
national level. That's not necessarily going to be the same
pay as a field associate, project associate somewhere. So that
has been a conversation. We just had our staff retreat
in the Rocky Mountains a couple of weeks ago, and
(46:56):
that was a conversation to make sure that the pay
is equitable for everyone, because there's a lot of there's
to be well honest in this field, not just the
green field, but in my career, there have been a
lot of there's a lot of prohibitive barriers if you
are not rich to get into this field. When yes,
so like me and my brand new PhD, just because
(47:18):
of like circumstances ended up right down to the unemployment
office on Minnesota Avenue when I first yeah, like it's real,
and even for my post stock at smith Sony and
I say it now because it's it's past, but that
wasn't I did not make a living wage. I just
made this, took a gamble on myself in Washington, d C.
(47:39):
Because I knew that the knowledge that I would get
from being there was worth the experience. But if I
didn't have faith in community, I might not be where
I am to be were honest. And now it's finally
starting the last thing for me, Roy, I promise you,
because I could go on and on here, I I
just want you to reiterate that these jobs are there,
(48:01):
they do pay well. These industries are trying to bring
the money up to the level if they don't already.
And then also when you travel around because I covered
the Southeast for that Global Conservation organization, Baby, I saw everything,
so I got paid well and I traveled well, but
(48:22):
I got to tell our story. So when you leave,
tell more people to come into these organizations. Let's after
the break, we're gonna get into exactly that. Let's talk
about those jobs, because we need to know what's going on.
So you can get a job and stop people from
playing slavery flute, could summon the wrong slate and don't
(48:45):
tend them. Step porter open up and masters come through,
and then we have an interglectic metal and all the
black people just get up and start cleaning ship in
that y'all playing with fireband, y'all, but lead them old
instruments alone. That's a job fair. We'll be right back.
(49:13):
Job their round and third headed for home. We are
talking with Dr Joscelyn and Money, the National Director of
Black History and Culture. Yeah, working in these museums, deciding
what to put in the museums, deciding where to put
a museum and deciding what does and doesn't belong in
the museum. Isn't thankless job as you do the best
(49:35):
you can to create these tangible places for black people
to go and get angry at white folks. Well, that's
not the side effect, and it might not be the purpose,
but it is one of the mini side effects is
going to some of these fine establishments that you have curated,
(49:58):
just walk outside and all kind of white people. But
but I'm just saying, I hope that you leave these
places feeling inspired and proud because we have ancestors. We
come from some powerful people man, and we do, whether
it's your direct ancestors or your communal ancestors, the paths
that have been made, the ways that have been set
(50:21):
forth for me. And when I visit history sites, whether
it's a historic site of place or a museum, oftentimes
I'm just amazed at the resilience and I'm inspired to
keep on going. We also talked before we came on
air about something I cannot go into certain museums because
there is a block. That's what we're talking about. Thank you?
(50:45):
Can you explain that more? R money? What do you mean? Yeah?
What is that? Yeah? So, like I was telling them
that there are certain places, um, where the story is
so heavy that oftentimes it's very difficult to go. And
I told him about when I worked at Smithsonian, I
couldn't go into the m U Till section at first.
(51:05):
I had to go uh. And I won't tell that
other story on on air, but I I had to
brace myself what I would in terms of folks that
find the stories too heavy to engage with, UM, I
think prayer is very helpful libations. I'll tell you. When
I worked at Grand Canyon, I learned about all of
(51:28):
the native tribes that have been marched out of the
and removed. And I don't know if I suld say
this and not, but about twenty to thirty people die
every year at the Grand Canyon. And for me, with
my background, I was like, Oh, those are angry spirits,
so let me go home. We go ahead. One day,
at the beginning of my tenure, I went at dusk
(51:49):
to the edge of the remember the canyon, and I
just poured libation, and I asked for a safe passage
for those beers, and I asked them to guide me
and to help me do this. We were doing that. Man,
that's what you're opposed to do. That's what I was
raised up, that's supposed to do, right, Yeah, this work
is very, very spiritual. Immediately I came to speak to
some of my colleagues. I went. I went to Montgomery
(52:11):
to the Legacy Museum and the Equal Justice Initiative and
what they have set up A lot of people affectionately
called it the Lynching Memorial, where you know, there's a dirt,
there's dirt from the soil of every recorded lynching in
the history of our country, all there in one place,
and each little jar of dirt represents a dead black person.
(52:33):
And it was a lot that one. And I'm glad
I went at like eleven o'clock in the morning, so
I had the rest of the day to kind of
come down. I couldn't imagine going to something like that
at five thirty. Haven't dine and it just and good night. No,
a lot of these museums, low key, Dr Johncelyn, y'all
need to put a Pixar movie at the exit the
(52:56):
representation of slavery. Alright, yes, I know you've taken in
a lot. Here's toy story too, to rush it on all. Well,
that's why, that's why some museums and this is even
going back to the work of the Trust Republics. That's
why a lot of spaces have started crafting landscape to
(53:17):
allow for memorial space for whether they have a water
feature in the land or just some green space a lot.
That's been a move across the field and a lot
of institutions. Again, although there's an association of African American museums,
they're not like all one museum, individual folks that are
decided on their own as their individual budgets can fit.
(53:38):
But that's been a move because that's something you know,
that's something that is happening, particularly as we get too
younger and younger generations who are removed from this history
and when they're brought into it, it's very heavy. So
you know, some of the work, some of the things
that Trust republic Land has done, we did the Philando
(53:58):
Casteele Memorial. Yeah, those are even in terms of going
back to that point of self determination and how how
we pick the spaces that we do. It's about, like
i I've told my colleagues, those are not sites where
we're championing the story of state sponsor violence and black
men those rights, where we are championing the story of
(54:19):
resilience and self determination to preserve those narratives and champion
them high so that shifting perspective and that utilizing the
lands to heal is important. This is This has been
a wonderful conversation. Like I don't even have time, unfortunately
to get into you with the conversation about CRT and
(54:40):
black history and whether or not you're dealing with a
lot of backlash at the state government level. Yes, okay,
perfect quick answer. Thank you. Tell us a little bit
about the positions that you're hiring for. I know some
of it's in in office, and I know some of
it is remote, but I would love for people to
know ways that they could integrate themselves into your world.
(55:01):
So the Trust republic Land is always hiring a bevy
of careers. So right now I went to our website,
which is TPL dot org is and Trust republic Land
dot org slash careers, and just right now there's a
prospect development see your analysts. That's remote philanthropy, associate philanthropy,
marketing program managers, state directors, trails, I mean, legal counsel.
(55:27):
There's a whole bunch of jobs and that's just page
one of I don't know how many called Vanessa Martin
for that marketing job. Be Essa where you know, not
baby were in the same circles you think I'm playing.
Vanessa is my is an amazing colleague, and she will
appreciate she came from the Nature Conservancy. But yeah, these
(55:51):
these jobs which again and not just at the Trust
republic Land, within this field of doing black history, there
are mark getting people that when we close the land deal,
I just speak to the Trust republic Land. Although this
consisting of when we close a land deal, somebody has
to publicize it, somebody has to do the research on
those real assets, somebody has to raise the money to
(56:14):
do it. And there's all these levels of philanthropy jobs.
There are back in jobs because we have to have
accountants and finance folks, on and on and on and
on and on a bunch of different jobs. I got
my start in the National Park Service, which people say
there's a job for everybody in the Park Service, but
the same for the Trust republic Land, Sanford Smithsonian, on
and on and on. But our website is TPO dot
(56:36):
org slash careers. No idea was just comp no idea,
Like that's mind blowing. The staggering. The Nature Conservancy also
taught me how to raise multiple millions of dollars, so
that although I was in marketing, we had to go
into the philanthropy aspect as well. So don't just go
into these jobs just single focused on what you're supposed
(57:00):
to do. Get into those other departments. You gotta have
seven touches to raise multiple millions of dollars. Come on, girl,
absolutely shout out to Anna Barbara and associates, because that's
a black woman who owns her own philanthropy. That's how
I learned that. Well, I can't thank you enough. And
when the time comes, Dr Joscelyn and money and it's
(57:23):
time to time to break ground in the Birmingham Civil
Rights District on the Roywood Junior Historical Batting Cages and
radio history Museum. Okay, reach out to you so that
when I'm dead and going, I want you all to
have civil rights bad and kids. You can't talk about
black journalists. That's yes, I like baseball, That's what I wanted.
(57:46):
Bill show you want, I've got Bill your museum. So
I just want to make sure the bed cage in it,
beden cage in it. And on the other side, a
bunch of Stewart Scott exhibits and my daddy Right, Okay,
I got you got out to Bronch Shawn Fred Hickman
or something like that. But thank you so much for coming.
Thank you always for Repence family, Thank you for representing
(58:10):
your albuma mater. I appreciate you. I tried, I tried
my best. Appreciate you, but I appreciate y'all. Thank you
so much for coming on. Appreciate your dr the same thing.
All right, that's the show Royce John Fare is a
product of I Heart Media, Comedy Central and South Park
(58:31):
and Princeton Productions. Learned the like today, I kind of
started thinking about the stuff that I would putting the museum.
It's going to be nice. I still got my nikes
from my second comedy special, what's your humidity for those?
Put them in humidity at sendny degrees or whatever? Then
(58:52):
what kind of sucks did you wear with those shoes?
I don't know, but you don't want them in the music.
I think we didn't want the museum. Like the first
pair of us drawings for the show, Oh my lord,
historical and we're gonna ge right there. This has been
(59:12):
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