February 5, 2024 • 38 mins
When you ask Guy Ritchie to do a podcast, you don't just get Guy Ritchie the director—you get Guy Ritchie the food lover. Before sitting down with Ruthie, there he was in the garden at The River Cafe, setting up his WildKitchen cooking rig to grill a ribeye steak for all the chefs. He then joined Ruthie to talk wine, creative process, how he measures success, fishing, how he cooks his steaks, and bringing the WildKitchen to his film sets.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.
Around forty years ago, when a Rogers my stepson was twelve,
he asked of a school friend his best friend could
join us for lunch. I know you're going to love him.
And three hours later we were in the company of
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one of the greatest kids ever, cheeky, funny, bright.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi. My name's Guy Richie. I am a chef and
that's my day job, and my second job is a
film director. And here we are. We've been cooking outside
on the Gentleman's table, the Wild table, a rather thick
realvi steak.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, when you ask Guy Richie to do a podcast,
you don't just get Guy Today. He's been in the
garden at the River Cafe with the chefs, setting up
his wild kitchen to cook a ribby steak for us
all to try.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We just bring us with you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, one does exactly go.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Around to this is great. It's fabulous. Now if you want,
you're gonna have the whole thing like that. But I
would I would just let that nibble away a bit
at its center. Now, the next time it comes off,
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I think you'll be done.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I've been in contact over the years, with Guy in
and out, eating in his pub The Lord of the Land,
drinking the beer from his brewery, the Gritchy Company, having
him and Jackie, his children and his friends and his
family in the River Cafe, and most of all, watching
his movies from lock Stock to Smoking Barrels and his
most recent The Covenant with two friends and actually guests
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of the podcast, Jake Chill and All and Josh Bruger.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now you've already got se it on. But because it's
such a thick piece of me, right, we got hack
through that. You hack through it because I've got to
get on with its beautiful. It's got to go. It's
got to go. We got the rest of it to go.
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Here we go, here comes.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So, Guy, do you want to talk about before we
go into your movies and food and food and life?
Do you want to talk about grilling a steak? What
do you like about a ribby?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I like the fat and I like the crispiness of
the fat. It seems to be the right ratio of
fat and meat for me. But that's that's usually what
I eat is a ribbi five or six days a week.
And I'll play with other things. But in the end,
it's it's easy for me to cook, and I don't
really want anything on it other than salt and recently pepper,
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But I have a feeling pepper's a crush and it
won't last for very long and I'll just creep back
into salt.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you and I like it the same way, which
I I hate going to a restaurant and telling the
way to how I like something cooked, and so I
rarely do that. But when I have a steak, or
if I have a piece of the only other thing
is salmon, is I like a really dark crust and
then a quite medium rare inside rare.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, well, I'm with you on that. To me, everything's
about the patina of the meat. So and you can
only really get that patina if you've got the fat.
That's I think you and I are probably an agreement
on this. I want the combination of that fat just
before it's become completely incinerated, but I want it to
be crispy and then I'm in heaven and it never
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gets never gets boring.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, So going from the beginning, at the beginning, we
would talk about growing up in the Richie house before
you went to boarding school. Well you at home was
your your parents. Your father was a friend of a
friend of mine, John somerl And they said he loved
food and wine.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my father liked wine more than
you like food. But yes, he was a good friend.
And John Summer used to live on the same street,
so he was about five dolls now, but they were Yeah,
he was a big foodie. We were like the only
middle class family and apart from John in the streets.
So when we moved in, it was an old fashioned
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in theory. It wasn't a sort of Cottney community, but
it was an old fashioned English community there. So this
is in sixty They bought that house in sixty in
Fulham and they were like foodies and boozies then, which
is quite early doors and that house then in sixty
nine was eight pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, there you go. So you grew up in the
house that loved food.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And then my mum was very go cook.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Where did she cook?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
My favorite was watercress soup. Really it was quite exotic,
so Rabert carriers an idea, but she was a very
good cook. I used to like baked eggs and watercrest
soup and.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Would you sit down to dinner like most nights as
a fam Who's in your family, your.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Brothers and one sister, a sister and a.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Mother, and so would you sit down to me with
the kind of family supper.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I heard something earlier on that I'm not can't remember
which generation we are, but we are still the sort
of the I suppose maybe the last generation that lived
more outdoors than we did indoors. So I knew all
the other kids in the street, so you were never indoors.
You were always out with your mates. And we were
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on bicycles. I remember used to cycle to quite far
Afield and we were on biscles when we were six.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I went to local school.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Local, I went to thirteen school. I went thirteen thirteen.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, local school or no school could cope with
no educating.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Cool school could cope. And I sort of picked up
the reputation that it was because I was naughty, and
it wasn't because I was naughty. It was it was
just I was remarkably slow in understanding what they were
trying to translate, and I had no ability to translate it.
So very probiscuous for schools. And I went to about
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five local schools and then gradually, I mean even the
one I went to school with Abe that was which
is subsequently shut down. Most of the schools I went
to subsequently shut there because they were all learning disability schools,
and they did well. They sort of fumbled around as
best they could, and I'm sort of grateful for their efforts.
But there was only one person I met that was
more dyslexic than me, and that was Abe.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I've been to my kids' schools, you know, there was
Abe or it was you know, my children, And I
remember saying the only I don't care if they learned
to read when they're eight or six or ten or
twelve or fourteen. What you do never want your child
to do is to feel stupid, you know, because I said,
those are the people that come into the River Cafe,
and they was coming and they say, I don't want
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to sit here. I don't want that, I don't want this,
And I almost want to say, did you have a
hard time in school? You know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm going to challenge you lenge. I'm going to challenge
you that I from the best roses, come from the
worst menure. So I think a certain amount of adversity
is rather essential, and I don't think it did me
much harm being told. You never told you were stupid,
it was implicit. Well, you were clear, it was clear
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that you couldn't follow right, and you were clear that
kids that weren't that quick were following quicker than you
could follow. So you knew there was an issue, but
no one was actually cruel enough to explicitly say you're stupid.
But you found after you were on school ten that
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there was an issue. And then you kept meeting experts
that would sort of have men in white coats that
would give you sort of blocks to play with and
boxes to tick. And then it quickly, you see their
eyes eyebrows were raised by the time you'd finished, and
you could quickly rejuice that you were not firing on
the cylinders that they want you to fire. But fair
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play to everyone. They never actually called me stupid. It
was just implicit. And then but I would argue though,
that that gave me a sort of a myriad of
skills that otherwise I would never have developed. And feeling
like you're an outside of some description, and feeling diminished
at some point in the end, I just don't think
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that did me any harm?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You and A became and Richard, my husband, became stronger
because of it. But there might be a lot of
people around gave up, you know, who didn't fight back.
They just made me. It's about I agree with you
about a lot of that. I mean, I agree with
self esteem. I used to think self esteem was the
most important thing. Now I think maybe not. It was
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a paradox that, Yeah, that's a paradix. Okay, Well, going
back then thirteen schools, do you remember any of those
thirteen schools having good food?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, you'll be surprised what kind of food I can enjoy? Yeah,
tell me everything. My mum wasn't fussy, and I've never
been fussy. The only thing I couldn't eat was rhubarb,
and even that I can eat now, and I was.
I'm quite interested and enjoy industrial quantities of food that's
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not necessarily to consume, but there's a sort of it
takes on certain qualities they used to do, like school, Lasanya,
when you're cooking for a few hundred kids, it takes
on complex characteristics that are impossible to derive if you're
if you're using quality product. So, yeah, I liked school food.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Out of thirteen schools, which one did you? Did you
do something like graduating from school or did you just
leave school?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It just left fifteen and it was anticlimactic sort of.
I left and then they said, don't bother coming back.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was at Stanbridge.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That was at stanbridg Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Nice. Yeah. And did your parents were they Were they
worried about you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, yes, because I I had no qualifications at all.
I could barely spell my name, but I was. I mean,
I was working by the time I was fifteen, not
far from here. Actually it some Peter Square in amismthre Yeah.
I worked in the island records, which I don't know
if it's still there, but I worked as a two
boy in records.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Were you living at home? Did your mom still cook
for you? Who?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No? I left home early door. So I was from
fifteen onwards. I was in and out.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And what were you changed? You remember?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No? There's the answer that no, because then it was
it was all work from fifteen to now. It's really
all been work, although it has been sort of messy
periods along that way. I've been working pretty much since
I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
We talked about your mother, but what about your father.
He was he more into wine? As you said, did
he teach you about wine?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I didn't like why until I was forty forty?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
How old are you now?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I am fifty four?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay? And what changed all that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Lot?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
What didn't you like about wine?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It just meant nothing to me. And you could see
the price disparity, and that had no impact on me.
I was what, you know, I was happy on two
pound fifty as other people were on two hundred and fifty,
and I couldn't I did. The nuance was wasted on me.
And then at forty a light bulb went off off.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Do you remember where you were?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, you think it's your friend Josh Berger had
something to do, and I think it was like a
weekend away somewhere and someone brought out the big guns
and like on the third bottle where I was sort
of taking the mick, and then all of a sudden
something happened. And once it happened, then I lost a
decade to enjoying file mines. And then I did the
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wine tours.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Where did you go?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, I'm a Bordeaux man that's recently recently drifted into Burgundy.
I'm on terra firma with the Bordeaus. So the classic
obvious ones, which it's boring because they're cliches, but Latour
will be my go to if I was going to
go for an event of some description. So I'll go
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over all the obvious, the Moutons, Lafitte, Margo, Lynch Bash,
you know, all the well known ones and what about it,
super touscans, manisetto and so on.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But do you like them? Do I do? Do you
have a wine cellar?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Then I do?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And you go, Do you go down and say that
tonight we're going to have this?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah? I mean I'm essentially French, right, So I am
prejudiced towards the French in the sense that I think
both food wise and wine wise, they're the layers of
sophistication that the French developed over however long. I my
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first love of real food was French, and I was
tremendous slee impressed by the layering.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You call layering, you mean the way.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That I felt as though there was every nuance was investigated.
There was a place on Pimlico Road that was run
by those brothers. Yeah, it was next to the Blipot.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, but that's when I was there.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Was a little supermarket. There was next door a little
shop and a little French shop, not much bigger than
this room. And when I was a van driver, I
used to go in there and it was absurdly expensive,
but the quality was mind blowing. You've run a career
off the quality of your ingredients, though, Avenue.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I would say that about French food and Italian food.
You know that I saw nothing I love more than
a piece of fish, both blanc and spinach on the bottom,
as you say, almost layering the way. But there's something
also when you go to Italy and then you have
a piece of sea bass and nothing, you know, you
just get this bass and maybe, if you're lucky, a
bit of sALS of earlier lemon. And so if you're
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going to have only two ingredients, a lemon and a
sea bass, or sea bass and a bit of wilderegona,
the wild diregona has to be wild and the sea
bass has to be incredibly fit, you know, fresh, because
there's no masking of it. You're not looking at the
Hollandais or the Burnet's or the other stuff, you know.
So I think we are the River Cafe definitely is
very ingredient based. Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I went fishing for sea bass this week actually as
you were Portland anyway. So I caught four very healthy baths.
We're actually called fourteen. We returned ten of them. Wet
fishing with my ten year old is obsessed and English bass.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
We get it is we get all our fish off
the coast. We don't bring any two now or anything in.
We once had one of my was we had the
we you know, we call it the end of service,
So at eleven o'clock at night, we know how much
bass we've sold, how much you know, turbot we've sold,
and we know that the next day we're going to
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change to the menu. So we never have the menu.
It just depends what there is in the fridge and
what there is in the sea. And then we got
a call from the boat and he said, I'm just
reeled in a turbot and it's so big that either
the river cafe takes it or we put it back
in the sea.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What do you want? And we took it. How big
was it?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I can't remember, maybe I having no eight kill.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And I came back. I came past here one evening
with Josh and I had your turbot.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ye, did you like it?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We do it on the trunch, so you have this
thick bone and then you have the thick turbot, and
so we put you know, it depends what the chef
wants to do. I think last night we did it
with zucchuini and zucchini flowers, and today we might do
with capers and you know, black olives.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It was a real winner. It was a real winner.
Would you buy your nature go sea vass or turbot?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh? It depends probably pass. I love pass. But if
I have the turbot in the wood oven, it's a
very rich fish. It's I love. Yeah. The thing about
fish for me is I love it on the bone.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I always think I know that you don't, you know,
And so it's really nice to have a whole agreed.
So what happened to the fish that you reeled in?
Where are those best? Now?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I et them, all of them? Ye? Yeah. My son's
very insistent on eating them as quickly as possible. You've
got to wait we find it. We have to wait
twenty four hours because you get over the rigging mortis. Yeah.
The idea that you can eat fish that she doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I know, I know they just that her, but it's
the same thing, even dover sold it. I mean so
and I kind of what you would think, but the idea.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Took so last forever too. I'll show you passed me that.
I'll show you this because my son is now obsessed
with fishing, and that means I'm now get all well,
this is all on the shore.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh, I see you're not on a boat's.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So I don't have the picture of the bass. But
I'll tell you. Look at the signs of this brown
trout that you caught.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Wow, Wow, look at that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Wow is amazing. I mean, that's how much of that
thing when six and a half pounds? But that will lie.
That will feed you know you don't feed feed ten.
But most of the photographs they are fish. That's rafa.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's great. Did you know The River Cafe has a shop.
It's full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks,
linen napkins, kitchen were toad bags with our signatures, glasses
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from Venice, chocolates from Turin. You can find us right
next door to the River Cafe in London or online
at shop Therivercafe dot co dot UK.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm always in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You always in the kah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, actually I'm not in the kitchen. I mean I'm
outside in the kitchen, but the internal kitchen is. I
was just explaining to your chefs. I've become increasingly frustrated
with because I've got quite nice knives, and people have
bought me good knives, and subsequently no one wants to
sharpen them because they're frighting of sharpening and they don't
want to mess them up. And what I quite like
is a cheap knife with a brutal sharpener, and I
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want it accessible. So I'll you buy a Knight good
knife for a fine knife for twelve quid sharpen every couple.
I have a brutal sharp what is it? I buy
my sharpness for two quid two and a half euros
and I drag them through that nasty thing and I
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do that. That's too posh. I find that you do
the brutal one and it shaves off quite a capacious
amount of steel, and your knife done off but a year,
and it costs twelve quid.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We had we had, I remember we used to have
somebody just to come and sharpen the knives. We had
bel sized grove when it was growing up. So that
must have been when I first came to London. Can
you imagine this American girl. I didn't know what anything
was and they delivered bottles of milk and you didn't
lock your door and they and the man came to
sharpen the knives and sell onions. They used to sell
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onions like on the back of their bicycle. This must
have been in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, yeah, it was the seventies. Used to get We
used to have a rag and bone man, any old
iron they used to see as they were. By then
you had the knife man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The knife man, I definitely remember by the.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Way it's consist of the knife man.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Actually, I know, why do we still and I remember
to bring back knife many knife.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Man worked and you had the milk.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The milk definitely, you didn't have that like creamy stuff
at the top.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You could have like a when you used to sell everything. Yeah,
you used to have everything on there and then he
just went from selling everything to not existing.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah. So when we're going to talk about work and food,
so when you go to is a set in Spain
with you and Jake and Josh and all your people.
Do you worry about what they're eating?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Not really, No, no, because everyone's If no one complains,
then I don't stick my nose into it. And they
don't really complain, so they're sort of happy. You'll find
out at some point or another of the caterers aren't winning,
but recently doesn't need to be too much complaints. I
barbecue every day. I've got I've got a sort of
old wooden trailer that we reside in and where we
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have communal meals. I play mother and I usually do
a We've got a stove in there, and I cook
in there, and we'll cook in a very similar fashion
to just how we cook in there. I'll donok abbit,
I'll put it in, take slices off the side, put
it back in again, and we'll do that five days
a week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, you just invite various people.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
There's usually usually ten people in there.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. Jake's a good eater, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He really cares.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
About and carries no weight, carries no weight, doesn't drink much,
so he's in good nick. He really cares, but he
cares about his food, and he rather sadly sends me
pictures and I send him pictures of that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But what about other actors you've worked with?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Had to come acros someone that's not interested in Almost
no one I know is not interested in food. But
in order sometimes you have to switch off and see,
food is fuel, and as soon as food is fuel,
you tend to lose weight.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And when you go to is a set like you
were in Spain for the Covertant being Afghanistan, do you
think about where you're going and the food they're having
and what that will be like or do you think
wherever you are you're kind of eating what.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
You Yeah, I mean, I'll go local. We spent we
spent quite a lot of time last two movies I've done,
or outside of The Covenant, which is in Spain, we
did in Turkey.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I remember that, what was that?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I like Turkey?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What did you like?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I like the Turks? And I can't believe that's the
country as large as that that people don't talk about much.
And we were just very impressed with it. We love
the people and we love the food.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And I was in this temple three weeks ago and
I hadn't been there before, and I was blown away
for us sitting there. And then the food. We went
to all these different restaurants once, some on the pass,
for some in the little town, some in the I
thought it was a fantastic food culture.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It is, but everything in that part of the world
is do you think I do? I mean, you're still
sort of you. You're tethered to the med so I
don't know. If you've done tel Aviv, You've done tele Aviv.
The food culture in Israel is insane. We spent quite
a lot of time in the Middle East. We like
the Middle We got mates in Bahrain, so we go
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over a year for the race, a little bit in Saudi,
quite a lot in Israel.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And the food wise, do you have one place that
you're actually in the Middle Eastern food?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, it's Israel's sort of nicking it at the moment.
But then Dubai. I don't know if you spend any
time by the Dubai, I mean, it's it's a cliche,
and it is for a reason, because it's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
A lot of of our you know, I've been asked
top restaurant in Park. I think there must be. I
think there's no, But there are quite a lot of
Western restaurants here.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I've been with lots of people that have been talking
to you about opening places over the years, and you
never seen anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So I went to look at a site the other
day with our friend who does all the architecture for us,
you know, and he said, I was sitting in this
place near Grove the Square, and I heard this guy
going and with you, you know, look at the space.
You can have your kitchen here, and you could do this,
and you could do that. And he said, I want
to say, listen, you know she's not going to do it,
but that's not true. I go, I would do it.
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I don't know. It's interesting. I think we just haven't
found the right site.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You spent spent some time.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, we went to La But the fact is that
it's it's a long answer to a short question. Why
don't I do it? I think I still would do it.
We could just do another restaurant in London. We don't
have to go abroad.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Although you know what will be quite interesting is it
would break or break a cliche. You'll I know you're
not gonna go to Dubai, which I would quite like
you to do, just because it's unpredictable, and I think
it's important to be unpredictable, and I think it's important
to prove yourself wrong. I'm constantly I'm constantly doing things
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which against my better judgment, I do because I have
to or unforced into a corner or whatever. And then
subsequently I'm very grateful that I did, and thought, wold on,
I probably should have started doing this a long time ago.
Just do things that are really that's not on your tuitive.
It's counter intuitive, it's not on yours.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Also, somebody said they were suggesting I, you know, I
had this idea for doing sort of fast food kind
of thing, and then he said, you know, but I
said that I don't think I want to do it
because it could fail. And they said, really, everybody's failing
these days. This is what you do in silicon value.
You start a startup, you start a business, and it fails.
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I always think failure is like a big deal, but
apparently it's not the biggest.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It's not what it was. Failures not well, this is
the upside.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's the new success.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, and people don't seem to notice like they used to. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and subsequently go, well, I mean that didn't
work very well. But guess what no one's talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You had a movie that failed.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Now, oh yeah, I've had movies that have not works.
Let's put it. Let's put it that way. And it's
not the same anymore. And you go. Because the thing is,
it's hard to calibrate success. It used to be very easy.
Used to open up on a by on a Thursday
evening that used to know whether you're it was going
(25:35):
to work right within two or three hours, they can
pretty much predict what your box office will be at
the end of the weekend. And you're it's a roulette wheel, right,
so you you know, you're you're you're playing with hundreds
of millions of dollars and you let that bead go
around the roulette table and you're waiting for that phone
(25:56):
call on a Thursday night and is it going to
be and you'll be able to predict whether your movie
is more or less going to make a billion dollars
or it's going to make fifty million dollars or it's
going to make less. Right now, that's a big bead, right,
And I'm not sure what other what other trades do that.
It's that bigger swing, right, and and you find that
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all out in two three hours fortunately those days and.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
At lasts, so they can tell that. So well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now it's complicated because now is.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A movie that you find, you know, do you have
one or does it?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
How were going to calibrate success?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, that's what I'm going to say, the one that
you like.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, I like all of them equally, but you know it's.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It doesn't This is something question saying which is your favorite?
It is? Will always say to me, you know, what
do you like best to cook? Or what do you
like the wind? And you know it depends on the day,
the weather.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I forget about my work.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah. Richard uced to say, you know that when you
finished the building, it was kind of done, and you're
you know, you're now it's done and it's there and you.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And then you kind of oddly discover you rediscover your
films because you go to someone's house to know watching
it and you sit down and halfway through and then
you sort of drift in and drift out your hold
on and it feels oddly reminiscent. But you can't remember
going through the process, although you were so intimate with
the process, you's just forgotten and you go through the process,
(27:21):
and I just become the viewer and I'm sitting there
and go, oh, that's fun or that's not fun, And
why did he make that decision? Why didn't I? And
I'm completely surprised. I completely forget the plot although I've
written them all, and I become a complete voyeur in
the equation.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, there's a lot SI. But Crystal the artist did
a fence through southern California. He wanted to get the
people of the town to permit it, and they didn't
want to do it because they didn't think it was
art because it was temporary. You know, Crystal, everything he
did just lasted a little while, whether it was a
fence or whether it was sheets or umbrellas in central part.
(27:56):
And so the argument was, it's not art because it's temporary.
And in fact, I realized that, you know, I make
a cake and that's temporary, or I grill a piece
of beef for this temporary, isn't it. You just get
eaten right away. Your movies last forever, buildings last forever,
but food sort of you eat it and then you're
criticized for it's either well to cooked or undercooked.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm a big fan of things that are ephemeral. I
spent a lot of time thinking about what is creativity
and what is art, and it being ephemeral is neither
here nor there. Art seems about the expression of that
which is concealed finds an interesting conduit to become revealed.
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It's kind of irrelevant what the format is as long
as you can see that that which is revealed is
secondary and subservient to that which is concealed. You know,
the number of the conversation, or the nub of any
interesting conversation is just is understanding essence and concealed essence
and the unseen engine that drives creativity and all the
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different conduits and man festations of creativity. I find that
in itself the most inspiring of conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
If you like listening to Ruthie's Table for would you
please make sure to rate and review the podcast on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get
your podcasts. Thank you. So, when you're working, somebody you
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wake up in the morning and what do you have
for breakfast?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm not a breakfast man, so.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're not a breakfast man, not a lunchment. What do
you okay?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So try and I've lost a stone, which I'll quite
smug about. I've done quite well in the last six weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm that drug.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You No, I'm not in the drug. So what's your
It's because I late. So I'll have lunch. I'll get
a bit pinchy, quite like coffee. So I'll go on
Ice Americanos at about one and then I'll have a
little nibble of something and then they do these like
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sort of healthy bars, which they they do on the front.
It's like dates, cashew nuts and something else. But anyway,
they've got just enough naughtiness in them to keep you entertained,
but not enough to get you in trouble. So I'll
get and there are a couple of hundred canaries, so
they keep me ticking over. I mean, I'm on contracting
mode at the moment rather than expanding mode. Right. I
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spent most of my life expanding, So every now and
then when I'm in contraction, I'm trying. And this is
the first bed I've had in a while. Actually, you've
corrupted me.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
There is a little round hill, so we're going to
be in expanding.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Now, well, I'm going to be quite good at this,
but I've got quite a lunch coming up tomorrows. How
I can tell someone's birthday tomorrows, I can tell I
might as well warm. Yeah, so yeah, so I eat late,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You know in Mexico we used to when I lived
in Mexico City when Richard was not well. The ideas
that Mexicans have a good breakfast at about eleven and
then ten.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Eleven's good. I think eleven's good.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Then they eat lunch about five four, but you have
like a two hour lunch and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
On there.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Eleven o'clocks for me is quite a good time and
you have a little something just to keep you going.
And then if you can press on through and you
get a bit pinched, and then three four five if
you get stuck in, and then that's your life.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You've lost weight. That's since when actually.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've rather proudly got the photograph on there, so about
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah. And by the way, struggling, it's not being a struggle.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And I with your kids, do you have would you
sit down for dinner with your kids? So yeah, they're
all quite quite early with you.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, and you're watching out eating the kids, as
everyone knows, because you soon fall into a bowl of
spaghetti and it's hard to get out of it, and
they fish fingers. You forget how good they are until
I mean, that's a problem with kids food. Kids food's good,
and you just don't want to go near the gravitational
puol of kids food because once you do, it's hard
to get out of it. So we try not sit
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with the kids for that reason, and then I'll end
up eating their food.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, of course you do. And when but they're going
back because when I thought when you were in Spain,
you did did you eat cookies?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We were very good to begin with and then yeah,
we were on about a thousand calories and we were
very good. And then Josh took me to a Spanish
gaff where we fell off a cliff and we spectacular.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What did you have? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I actuallygot the pictures. I'm one of those people that
rather sadly takes pictures of interesting meals.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Then was just in where you're making.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
The movie, it was it was like hole in the wall.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
What city were you're near?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You were near we were near Alicante, now I'm sure anyway, whatever,
then we fell off a cliff because then we ended
up in the Spanish wine world, and I remember sobbing
by the time we came to the second meal because
of the impact of not having drunk or eaten too
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much in six weeks. I think we're being very good girls.
And then that was it, and then we were very
naughty for the remainder of the for the shoot everything
I'd lost in the first half and then quickly found
for the remainder. But it was just brilliant. And I'm
perfectly happy to go up and down in wait, yeah
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you are, Yeah, I can't see your.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Cot say contract and expand and.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm happy with that. My biggest challenge in life is
not eating too much, and I will become I will
expand to the point of danger if I let my
nature loose. So really it's the battle that I suppose
everyone has. You've done very well to remain the whippet
(34:10):
that you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh I am not kidding, No, you're a whippit.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Now, how hard is it for everyone? I'm shocked that
anyone north of forty is not four hundred pounds because
the amount of resistance that you need, a restriction, you
need in order not to endlessly expand is really kind
of admirable.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And it's so delicious, isn't it. So it's such a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's such a pleasure. It's a dilemma. It's a dilemma
that we all face it two or three times a day,
and everyone does so in proportion to the blessing, as
they say, is in proportion to the curse. So food
is that thing, right, So as much pleasure it gives
you is as much trouble as it can give you.
And so I live in this world of desperately trying
(34:54):
to create and sometimes I win and sometimes I lose,
trying to find balance with food and booz.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Actually, also when you hold back on food, have you
been to when you know that? And I know that
because I've had it, is that when you sort of
sit down and then you know I'm not going to
have you know, something fattening or something too much or
you know, sugar, you kind of hold back in every
way do.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You think you do? But subsequently I can't like it?
Subsequently at the time I don't, and then subsequently, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
When we talk about food and this is always you know.
My last question, is there food that you would turn.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
To for comfort comfort food? It will be either marmite
on toast. And I'm actually quite snotty about my toast,
so I do like a good sowdough.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Do you have butter or just moremy but also quite
like posh buttter too. I like posh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Bread and posh butter. That's anything that the closer it
came from a cow, the poshare it is, as far
as I'm concerned. And I went to place called the
New in Somerset the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Do you know I haven't been there, but.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, anyway did They did a sour though there and
a big wedge of local butter, and it's just no
point in anything else. So it will probably be I do
like Marmie. I do like marmalade. By the way, I
can talk about marmalade for sometime now. I'm not going
to fall down into the that's episode two. So although
(36:25):
my nature is not bread driven, arm I when I
do taste good bread and good butter hard to trumpet
and like anchovies on toast to anchovies on toast. But actually,
if you get enough of the olive oil in the anchovies.
Then I don't find I don't need the butter.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But is really nice with anchivies. You know, even Italians
have butter and anchovies. Is there something about as salted.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
ANCHI yeah, you do a lot of anchovies. You're very well,
you're big on anchovies. But hold on, I'm feeling as though,
and then I do they're all going to be It's
it's okay. Bread.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Bread is comforting.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
The question was about what's comforting, so yeah, so it
will They're all bread related. I do like pigeon, I know, yeah, yeah,
I love pigeon. I'm giving you lots of answers.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So I'll be like it. This is well, there's a
difference between liking and something you might turn to when
you really thought, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
What, where'd your cheddar? Where did you che branson pickle?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Own bread?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, big on that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So we've had comfort, we've had creativity, we've had and
we've had a great piece of meat, didn't we That
was a rebby to remember. That was delicious. So yeah,
there's not very many people that you interview who bring
their own who bring their own grills. So we have
a lot more to do more talking, more, cooking, more
eating together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, fabulous.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
That was the little boy that I met when he
was twelve years old. You've come a long way. Thank you,
thank you, thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four
in partnership with Montclair.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ruthie's Table four is produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio.
It's hosted by Ruthie Rogers and it's produced by William Lensky.
This episode was edited by Julia Johnson and mixed by
Nigel Appleton. Our executive producers are Fay Stewart and Zad Rogers.
Our production manager is Caitlin Paramore, and our production coordinator
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is Bella Selini. This episode had additional contributions by Sean
Wynn Owen. Thank you to everyone at The River Cafe
for your help in making this episode.
You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.
Around forty years ago, when a Rogers my stepson was twelve,
he asked of a school friend his best friend could
join us for lunch. I know you're going to love him.
And three hours later we were in the company of
(00:21):
one of the greatest kids ever, cheeky, funny, bright.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi. My name's Guy Richie. I am a chef and
that's my day job, and my second job is a
film director. And here we are. We've been cooking outside
on the Gentleman's table, the Wild table, a rather thick
realvi steak.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, when you ask Guy Richie to do a podcast,
you don't just get Guy Today. He's been in the
garden at the River Cafe with the chefs, setting up
his wild kitchen to cook a ribby steak for us
all to try.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We just bring us with you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, one does exactly go.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Around to this is great. It's fabulous. Now if you want,
you're gonna have the whole thing like that. But I
would I would just let that nibble away a bit
at its center. Now, the next time it comes off,
(01:23):
I think you'll be done.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I've been in contact over the years, with Guy in
and out, eating in his pub The Lord of the Land,
drinking the beer from his brewery, the Gritchy Company, having
him and Jackie, his children and his friends and his
family in the River Cafe, and most of all, watching
his movies from lock Stock to Smoking Barrels and his
most recent The Covenant with two friends and actually guests
(01:46):
of the podcast, Jake Chill and All and Josh Bruger.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now you've already got se it on. But because it's
such a thick piece of me, right, we got hack
through that. You hack through it because I've got to
get on with its beautiful. It's got to go. It's
got to go. We got the rest of it to go.
(02:13):
Here we go, here comes.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So, Guy, do you want to talk about before we
go into your movies and food and food and life?
Do you want to talk about grilling a steak? What
do you like about a ribby?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I like the fat and I like the crispiness of
the fat. It seems to be the right ratio of
fat and meat for me. But that's that's usually what
I eat is a ribbi five or six days a week.
And I'll play with other things. But in the end,
it's it's easy for me to cook, and I don't
really want anything on it other than salt and recently pepper,
(02:48):
But I have a feeling pepper's a crush and it
won't last for very long and I'll just creep back
into salt.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you and I like it the same way, which
I I hate going to a restaurant and telling the
way to how I like something cooked, and so I
rarely do that. But when I have a steak, or
if I have a piece of the only other thing
is salmon, is I like a really dark crust and
then a quite medium rare inside rare.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, well, I'm with you on that. To me, everything's
about the patina of the meat. So and you can
only really get that patina if you've got the fat.
That's I think you and I are probably an agreement
on this. I want the combination of that fat just
before it's become completely incinerated, but I want it to
be crispy and then I'm in heaven and it never
(03:32):
gets never gets boring.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, So going from the beginning, at the beginning, we
would talk about growing up in the Richie house before
you went to boarding school. Well you at home was
your your parents. Your father was a friend of a
friend of mine, John somerl And they said he loved
food and wine.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my father liked wine more than
you like food. But yes, he was a good friend.
And John Summer used to live on the same street,
so he was about five dolls now, but they were Yeah,
he was a big foodie. We were like the only
middle class family and apart from John in the streets.
So when we moved in, it was an old fashioned
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in theory. It wasn't a sort of Cottney community, but
it was an old fashioned English community there. So this
is in sixty They bought that house in sixty in
Fulham and they were like foodies and boozies then, which
is quite early doors and that house then in sixty
nine was eight pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, there you go. So you grew up in the
house that loved food.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And then my mum was very go cook.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Where did she cook?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
My favorite was watercress soup. Really it was quite exotic,
so Rabert carriers an idea, but she was a very
good cook. I used to like baked eggs and watercrest
soup and.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Would you sit down to dinner like most nights as
a fam Who's in your family, your.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Brothers and one sister, a sister and a.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Mother, and so would you sit down to me with
the kind of family supper.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I heard something earlier on that I'm not can't remember
which generation we are, but we are still the sort
of the I suppose maybe the last generation that lived
more outdoors than we did indoors. So I knew all
the other kids in the street, so you were never indoors.
You were always out with your mates. And we were
(05:27):
on bicycles. I remember used to cycle to quite far
Afield and we were on biscles when we were six.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I went to local school.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Local, I went to thirteen school. I went thirteen thirteen.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, local school or no school could cope with
no educating.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Cool school could cope. And I sort of picked up
the reputation that it was because I was naughty, and
it wasn't because I was naughty. It was it was
just I was remarkably slow in understanding what they were
trying to translate, and I had no ability to translate it.
So very probiscuous for schools. And I went to about
(06:06):
five local schools and then gradually, I mean even the
one I went to school with Abe that was which
is subsequently shut down. Most of the schools I went
to subsequently shut there because they were all learning disability schools,
and they did well. They sort of fumbled around as
best they could, and I'm sort of grateful for their efforts.
But there was only one person I met that was
more dyslexic than me, and that was Abe.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I've been to my kids' schools, you know, there was
Abe or it was you know, my children, And I
remember saying the only I don't care if they learned
to read when they're eight or six or ten or
twelve or fourteen. What you do never want your child
to do is to feel stupid, you know, because I said,
those are the people that come into the River Cafe,
and they was coming and they say, I don't want
(06:51):
to sit here. I don't want that, I don't want this,
And I almost want to say, did you have a
hard time in school? You know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm going to challenge you lenge. I'm going to challenge
you that I from the best roses, come from the
worst menure. So I think a certain amount of adversity
is rather essential, and I don't think it did me
much harm being told. You never told you were stupid,
it was implicit. Well, you were clear, it was clear
(07:17):
that you couldn't follow right, and you were clear that
kids that weren't that quick were following quicker than you
could follow. So you knew there was an issue, but
no one was actually cruel enough to explicitly say you're stupid.
But you found after you were on school ten that
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there was an issue. And then you kept meeting experts
that would sort of have men in white coats that
would give you sort of blocks to play with and
boxes to tick. And then it quickly, you see their
eyes eyebrows were raised by the time you'd finished, and
you could quickly rejuice that you were not firing on
the cylinders that they want you to fire. But fair
(08:01):
play to everyone. They never actually called me stupid. It
was just implicit. And then but I would argue though,
that that gave me a sort of a myriad of
skills that otherwise I would never have developed. And feeling
like you're an outside of some description, and feeling diminished
at some point in the end, I just don't think
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that did me any harm?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You and A became and Richard, my husband, became stronger
because of it. But there might be a lot of
people around gave up, you know, who didn't fight back.
They just made me. It's about I agree with you
about a lot of that. I mean, I agree with
self esteem. I used to think self esteem was the
most important thing. Now I think maybe not. It was
(08:44):
a paradox that, Yeah, that's a paradix. Okay, Well, going
back then thirteen schools, do you remember any of those
thirteen schools having good food?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, you'll be surprised what kind of food I can enjoy? Yeah,
tell me everything. My mum wasn't fussy, and I've never
been fussy. The only thing I couldn't eat was rhubarb,
and even that I can eat now, and I was.
I'm quite interested and enjoy industrial quantities of food that's
(09:17):
not necessarily to consume, but there's a sort of it
takes on certain qualities they used to do, like school, Lasanya,
when you're cooking for a few hundred kids, it takes
on complex characteristics that are impossible to derive if you're
if you're using quality product. So, yeah, I liked school food.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Out of thirteen schools, which one did you? Did you
do something like graduating from school or did you just
leave school?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It just left fifteen and it was anticlimactic sort of.
I left and then they said, don't bother coming back.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was at Stanbridge.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That was at stanbridg Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Nice. Yeah. And did your parents were they Were they
worried about you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, yes, because I I had no qualifications at all.
I could barely spell my name, but I was. I mean,
I was working by the time I was fifteen, not
far from here. Actually it some Peter Square in amismthre Yeah.
I worked in the island records, which I don't know
if it's still there, but I worked as a two
boy in records.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Were you living at home? Did your mom still cook
for you? Who?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No? I left home early door. So I was from
fifteen onwards. I was in and out.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And what were you changed? You remember?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
No? There's the answer that no, because then it was
it was all work from fifteen to now. It's really
all been work, although it has been sort of messy
periods along that way. I've been working pretty much since
I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
We talked about your mother, but what about your father.
He was he more into wine? As you said, did
he teach you about wine?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I didn't like why until I was forty forty?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
How old are you now?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I am fifty four?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay? And what changed all that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Lot?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
What didn't you like about wine?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It just meant nothing to me. And you could see
the price disparity, and that had no impact on me.
I was what, you know, I was happy on two
pound fifty as other people were on two hundred and fifty,
and I couldn't I did. The nuance was wasted on me.
And then at forty a light bulb went off off.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Do you remember where you were?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, you think it's your friend Josh Berger had
something to do, and I think it was like a
weekend away somewhere and someone brought out the big guns
and like on the third bottle where I was sort
of taking the mick, and then all of a sudden
something happened. And once it happened, then I lost a
decade to enjoying file mines. And then I did the
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wine tours.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Where did you go?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, I'm a Bordeaux man that's recently recently drifted into Burgundy.
I'm on terra firma with the Bordeaus. So the classic
obvious ones, which it's boring because they're cliches, but Latour
will be my go to if I was going to
go for an event of some description. So I'll go
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over all the obvious, the Moutons, Lafitte, Margo, Lynch Bash,
you know, all the well known ones and what about it,
super touscans, manisetto and so on.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But do you like them? Do I do? Do you
have a wine cellar?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Then I do?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And you go, Do you go down and say that
tonight we're going to have this?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah? I mean I'm essentially French, right, So I am
prejudiced towards the French in the sense that I think
both food wise and wine wise, they're the layers of
sophistication that the French developed over however long. I my
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first love of real food was French, and I was
tremendous slee impressed by the layering.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You call layering, you mean the way.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That I felt as though there was every nuance was investigated.
There was a place on Pimlico Road that was run
by those brothers. Yeah, it was next to the Blipot.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, but that's when I was there.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Was a little supermarket. There was next door a little
shop and a little French shop, not much bigger than
this room. And when I was a van driver, I
used to go in there and it was absurdly expensive,
but the quality was mind blowing. You've run a career
off the quality of your ingredients, though, Avenue.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I would say that about French food and Italian food.
You know that I saw nothing I love more than
a piece of fish, both blanc and spinach on the bottom,
as you say, almost layering the way. But there's something
also when you go to Italy and then you have
a piece of sea bass and nothing, you know, you
just get this bass and maybe, if you're lucky, a
bit of sALS of earlier lemon. And so if you're
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going to have only two ingredients, a lemon and a
sea bass, or sea bass and a bit of wilderegona,
the wild diregona has to be wild and the sea
bass has to be incredibly fit, you know, fresh, because
there's no masking of it. You're not looking at the
Hollandais or the Burnet's or the other stuff, you know.
So I think we are the River Cafe definitely is
very ingredient based. Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I went fishing for sea bass this week actually as
you were Portland anyway. So I caught four very healthy baths.
We're actually called fourteen. We returned ten of them. Wet
fishing with my ten year old is obsessed and English bass.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
We get it is we get all our fish off
the coast. We don't bring any two now or anything in.
We once had one of my was we had the
we you know, we call it the end of service,
So at eleven o'clock at night, we know how much
bass we've sold, how much you know, turbot we've sold,
and we know that the next day we're going to
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change to the menu. So we never have the menu.
It just depends what there is in the fridge and
what there is in the sea. And then we got
a call from the boat and he said, I'm just
reeled in a turbot and it's so big that either
the river cafe takes it or we put it back
in the sea.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What do you want? And we took it. How big
was it?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I can't remember, maybe I having no eight kill.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And I came back. I came past here one evening
with Josh and I had your turbot.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ye, did you like it?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We do it on the trunch, so you have this
thick bone and then you have the thick turbot, and
so we put you know, it depends what the chef
wants to do. I think last night we did it
with zucchuini and zucchini flowers, and today we might do
with capers and you know, black olives.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It was a real winner. It was a real winner.
Would you buy your nature go sea vass or turbot?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh? It depends probably pass. I love pass. But if
I have the turbot in the wood oven, it's a
very rich fish. It's I love. Yeah. The thing about
fish for me is I love it on the bone.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I always think I know that you don't, you know,
And so it's really nice to have a whole agreed.
So what happened to the fish that you reeled in?
Where are those best? Now?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I et them, all of them? Ye? Yeah. My son's
very insistent on eating them as quickly as possible. You've
got to wait we find it. We have to wait
twenty four hours because you get over the rigging mortis. Yeah.
The idea that you can eat fish that she doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I know, I know they just that her, but it's
the same thing, even dover sold it. I mean so
and I kind of what you would think, but the idea.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Took so last forever too. I'll show you passed me that.
I'll show you this because my son is now obsessed
with fishing, and that means I'm now get all well,
this is all on the shore.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh, I see you're not on a boat's.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So I don't have the picture of the bass. But
I'll tell you. Look at the signs of this brown
trout that you caught.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Wow, Wow, look at that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Wow is amazing. I mean, that's how much of that
thing when six and a half pounds? But that will lie.
That will feed you know you don't feed feed ten.
But most of the photographs they are fish. That's rafa.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's great. Did you know The River Cafe has a shop.
It's full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks,
linen napkins, kitchen were toad bags with our signatures, glasses
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from Venice, chocolates from Turin. You can find us right
next door to the River Cafe in London or online
at shop Therivercafe dot co dot UK.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm always in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You always in the kah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, actually I'm not in the kitchen. I mean I'm
outside in the kitchen, but the internal kitchen is. I
was just explaining to your chefs. I've become increasingly frustrated
with because I've got quite nice knives, and people have
bought me good knives, and subsequently no one wants to
sharpen them because they're frighting of sharpening and they don't
want to mess them up. And what I quite like
is a cheap knife with a brutal sharpener, and I
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want it accessible. So I'll you buy a Knight good
knife for a fine knife for twelve quid sharpen every couple.
I have a brutal sharp what is it? I buy
my sharpness for two quid two and a half euros
and I drag them through that nasty thing and I
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do that. That's too posh. I find that you do
the brutal one and it shaves off quite a capacious
amount of steel, and your knife done off but a year,
and it costs twelve quid.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We had we had, I remember we used to have
somebody just to come and sharpen the knives. We had
bel sized grove when it was growing up. So that
must have been when I first came to London. Can
you imagine this American girl. I didn't know what anything
was and they delivered bottles of milk and you didn't
lock your door and they and the man came to
sharpen the knives and sell onions. They used to sell
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onions like on the back of their bicycle. This must
have been in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, yeah, it was the seventies. Used to get We
used to have a rag and bone man, any old
iron they used to see as they were. By then
you had the knife man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The knife man, I definitely remember by the.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Way it's consist of the knife man.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Actually, I know, why do we still and I remember
to bring back knife many knife.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Man worked and you had the milk.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The milk definitely, you didn't have that like creamy stuff
at the top.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You could have like a when you used to sell everything. Yeah,
you used to have everything on there and then he
just went from selling everything to not existing.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah. So when we're going to talk about work and food,
so when you go to is a set in Spain
with you and Jake and Josh and all your people.
Do you worry about what they're eating?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Not really, No, no, because everyone's If no one complains,
then I don't stick my nose into it. And they
don't really complain, so they're sort of happy. You'll find
out at some point or another of the caterers aren't winning,
but recently doesn't need to be too much complaints. I
barbecue every day. I've got I've got a sort of
old wooden trailer that we reside in and where we
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have communal meals. I play mother and I usually do
a We've got a stove in there, and I cook
in there, and we'll cook in a very similar fashion
to just how we cook in there. I'll donok abbit,
I'll put it in, take slices off the side, put
it back in again, and we'll do that five days
a week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, you just invite various people.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
There's usually usually ten people in there.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. Jake's a good eater, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He really cares.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
About and carries no weight, carries no weight, doesn't drink much,
so he's in good nick. He really cares, but he
cares about his food, and he rather sadly sends me
pictures and I send him pictures of that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But what about other actors you've worked with?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Had to come acros someone that's not interested in Almost
no one I know is not interested in food. But
in order sometimes you have to switch off and see,
food is fuel, and as soon as food is fuel,
you tend to lose weight.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And when you go to is a set like you
were in Spain for the Covertant being Afghanistan, do you
think about where you're going and the food they're having
and what that will be like or do you think
wherever you are you're kind of eating what.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
You Yeah, I mean, I'll go local. We spent we
spent quite a lot of time last two movies I've done,
or outside of The Covenant, which is in Spain, we
did in Turkey.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I remember that, what was that?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I like Turkey?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What did you like?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I like the Turks? And I can't believe that's the
country as large as that that people don't talk about much.
And we were just very impressed with it. We love
the people and we love the food.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And I was in this temple three weeks ago and
I hadn't been there before, and I was blown away
for us sitting there. And then the food. We went
to all these different restaurants once, some on the pass,
for some in the little town, some in the I
thought it was a fantastic food culture.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It is, but everything in that part of the world
is do you think I do? I mean, you're still
sort of you. You're tethered to the med so I
don't know. If you've done tel Aviv, You've done tele Aviv.
The food culture in Israel is insane. We spent quite
a lot of time in the Middle East. We like
the Middle We got mates in Bahrain, so we go
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over a year for the race, a little bit in Saudi,
quite a lot in Israel.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And the food wise, do you have one place that
you're actually in the Middle Eastern food?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, it's Israel's sort of nicking it at the moment.
But then Dubai. I don't know if you spend any
time by the Dubai, I mean, it's it's a cliche,
and it is for a reason, because it's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
A lot of of our you know, I've been asked
top restaurant in Park. I think there must be. I
think there's no, But there are quite a lot of
Western restaurants here.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I've been with lots of people that have been talking
to you about opening places over the years, and you
never seen anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So I went to look at a site the other
day with our friend who does all the architecture for us,
you know, and he said, I was sitting in this
place near Grove the Square, and I heard this guy
going and with you, you know, look at the space.
You can have your kitchen here, and you could do this,
and you could do that. And he said, I want
to say, listen, you know she's not going to do it,
but that's not true. I go, I would do it.
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I don't know. It's interesting. I think we just haven't
found the right site.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You spent spent some time.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, we went to La But the fact is that
it's it's a long answer to a short question. Why
don't I do it? I think I still would do it.
We could just do another restaurant in London. We don't
have to go abroad.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Although you know what will be quite interesting is it
would break or break a cliche. You'll I know you're
not gonna go to Dubai, which I would quite like
you to do, just because it's unpredictable, and I think
it's important to be unpredictable, and I think it's important
to prove yourself wrong. I'm constantly I'm constantly doing things
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which against my better judgment, I do because I have
to or unforced into a corner or whatever. And then
subsequently I'm very grateful that I did, and thought, wold on,
I probably should have started doing this a long time ago.
Just do things that are really that's not on your tuitive.
It's counter intuitive, it's not on yours.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Also, somebody said they were suggesting I, you know, I
had this idea for doing sort of fast food kind
of thing, and then he said, you know, but I
said that I don't think I want to do it
because it could fail. And they said, really, everybody's failing
these days. This is what you do in silicon value.
You start a startup, you start a business, and it fails.
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I always think failure is like a big deal, but
apparently it's not the biggest.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It's not what it was. Failures not well, this is
the upside.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's the new success.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, and people don't seem to notice like they used to. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and subsequently go, well, I mean that didn't
work very well. But guess what no one's talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You had a movie that failed.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Now, oh yeah, I've had movies that have not works.
Let's put it. Let's put it that way. And it's
not the same anymore. And you go. Because the thing is,
it's hard to calibrate success. It used to be very easy.
Used to open up on a by on a Thursday
evening that used to know whether you're it was going
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to work right within two or three hours, they can
pretty much predict what your box office will be at
the end of the weekend. And you're it's a roulette wheel, right,
so you you know, you're you're you're playing with hundreds
of millions of dollars and you let that bead go
around the roulette table and you're waiting for that phone
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call on a Thursday night and is it going to
be and you'll be able to predict whether your movie
is more or less going to make a billion dollars
or it's going to make fifty million dollars or it's
going to make less. Right now, that's a big bead, right,
And I'm not sure what other what other trades do that.
It's that bigger swing, right, and and you find that
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all out in two three hours fortunately those days and.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
At lasts, so they can tell that. So well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now it's complicated because now is.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A movie that you find, you know, do you have
one or does it?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
How were going to calibrate success?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, that's what I'm going to say, the one that
you like.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, I like all of them equally, but you know it's.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It doesn't This is something question saying which is your favorite?
It is? Will always say to me, you know, what
do you like best to cook? Or what do you
like the wind? And you know it depends on the day,
the weather.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I forget about my work.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah. Richard uced to say, you know that when you
finished the building, it was kind of done, and you're
you know, you're now it's done and it's there and you.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And then you kind of oddly discover you rediscover your
films because you go to someone's house to know watching
it and you sit down and halfway through and then
you sort of drift in and drift out your hold
on and it feels oddly reminiscent. But you can't remember
going through the process, although you were so intimate with
the process, you's just forgotten and you go through the process,
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and I just become the viewer and I'm sitting there
and go, oh, that's fun or that's not fun, And
why did he make that decision? Why didn't I? And
I'm completely surprised. I completely forget the plot although I've
written them all, and I become a complete voyeur in
the equation.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, there's a lot SI. But Crystal the artist did
a fence through southern California. He wanted to get the
people of the town to permit it, and they didn't
want to do it because they didn't think it was
art because it was temporary. You know, Crystal, everything he
did just lasted a little while, whether it was a
fence or whether it was sheets or umbrellas in central part.
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And so the argument was, it's not art because it's temporary.
And in fact, I realized that, you know, I make
a cake and that's temporary, or I grill a piece
of beef for this temporary, isn't it. You just get
eaten right away. Your movies last forever, buildings last forever,
but food sort of you eat it and then you're
criticized for it's either well to cooked or undercooked.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm a big fan of things that are ephemeral. I
spent a lot of time thinking about what is creativity
and what is art, and it being ephemeral is neither
here nor there. Art seems about the expression of that
which is concealed finds an interesting conduit to become revealed.
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It's kind of irrelevant what the format is as long
as you can see that that which is revealed is
secondary and subservient to that which is concealed. You know,
the number of the conversation, or the nub of any
interesting conversation is just is understanding essence and concealed essence
and the unseen engine that drives creativity and all the
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different conduits and man festations of creativity. I find that
in itself the most inspiring of conversations.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
If you like listening to Ruthie's Table for would you
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wake up in the morning and what do you have
for breakfast?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm not a breakfast man, so.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're not a breakfast man, not a lunchment. What do
you okay?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So try and I've lost a stone, which I'll quite
smug about. I've done quite well in the last six weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm that drug.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You No, I'm not in the drug. So what's your
It's because I late. So I'll have lunch. I'll get
a bit pinchy, quite like coffee. So I'll go on
Ice Americanos at about one and then I'll have a
little nibble of something and then they do these like
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sort of healthy bars, which they they do on the front.
It's like dates, cashew nuts and something else. But anyway,
they've got just enough naughtiness in them to keep you entertained,
but not enough to get you in trouble. So I'll
get and there are a couple of hundred canaries, so
they keep me ticking over. I mean, I'm on contracting
mode at the moment rather than expanding mode. Right. I
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spent most of my life expanding, So every now and
then when I'm in contraction, I'm trying. And this is
the first bed I've had in a while. Actually, you've
corrupted me.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
There is a little round hill, so we're going to
be in expanding.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Now, well, I'm going to be quite good at this,
but I've got quite a lunch coming up tomorrows. How
I can tell someone's birthday tomorrows, I can tell I
might as well warm. Yeah, so yeah, so I eat late,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You know in Mexico we used to when I lived
in Mexico City when Richard was not well. The ideas
that Mexicans have a good breakfast at about eleven and
then ten.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Eleven's good. I think eleven's good.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Then they eat lunch about five four, but you have
like a two hour lunch and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
On there.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Eleven o'clocks for me is quite a good time and
you have a little something just to keep you going.
And then if you can press on through and you
get a bit pinched, and then three four five if
you get stuck in, and then that's your life.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You've lost weight. That's since when actually.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've rather proudly got the photograph on there, so about
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah. And by the way, struggling, it's not being a struggle.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And I with your kids, do you have would you
sit down for dinner with your kids? So yeah, they're
all quite quite early with you.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, and you're watching out eating the kids, as
everyone knows, because you soon fall into a bowl of
spaghetti and it's hard to get out of it, and
they fish fingers. You forget how good they are until
I mean, that's a problem with kids food. Kids food's good,
and you just don't want to go near the gravitational
puol of kids food because once you do, it's hard
to get out of it. So we try not sit
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with the kids for that reason, and then I'll end
up eating their food.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, of course you do. And when but they're going
back because when I thought when you were in Spain,
you did did you eat cookies?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We were very good to begin with and then yeah,
we were on about a thousand calories and we were
very good. And then Josh took me to a Spanish
gaff where we fell off a cliff and we spectacular.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What did you have? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I actuallygot the pictures. I'm one of those people that
rather sadly takes pictures of interesting meals.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Then was just in where you're making.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
The movie, it was it was like hole in the wall.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
What city were you're near?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You were near we were near Alicante, now I'm sure anyway, whatever,
then we fell off a cliff because then we ended
up in the Spanish wine world, and I remember sobbing
by the time we came to the second meal because
of the impact of not having drunk or eaten too
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much in six weeks. I think we're being very good girls.
And then that was it, and then we were very
naughty for the remainder of the for the shoot everything
I'd lost in the first half and then quickly found
for the remainder. But it was just brilliant. And I'm
perfectly happy to go up and down in wait, yeah
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you are, Yeah, I can't see your.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Cot say contract and expand and.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm happy with that. My biggest challenge in life is
not eating too much, and I will become I will
expand to the point of danger if I let my
nature loose. So really it's the battle that I suppose
everyone has. You've done very well to remain the whippet
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that you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh I am not kidding, No, you're a whippit.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Now, how hard is it for everyone? I'm shocked that
anyone north of forty is not four hundred pounds because
the amount of resistance that you need, a restriction, you
need in order not to endlessly expand is really kind
of admirable.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And it's so delicious, isn't it. So it's such a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's such a pleasure. It's a dilemma. It's a dilemma
that we all face it two or three times a day,
and everyone does so in proportion to the blessing, as
they say, is in proportion to the curse. So food
is that thing, right, So as much pleasure it gives
you is as much trouble as it can give you.
And so I live in this world of desperately trying
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to create and sometimes I win and sometimes I lose,
trying to find balance with food and booz.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Actually, also when you hold back on food, have you
been to when you know that? And I know that
because I've had it, is that when you sort of
sit down and then you know I'm not going to
have you know, something fattening or something too much or
you know, sugar, you kind of hold back in every
way do.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You think you do? But subsequently I can't like it?
Subsequently at the time I don't, and then subsequently, yeah,
I think.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
When we talk about food and this is always you know.
My last question, is there food that you would turn.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
To for comfort comfort food? It will be either marmite
on toast. And I'm actually quite snotty about my toast,
so I do like a good sowdough.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Do you have butter or just moremy but also quite
like posh buttter too. I like posh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Bread and posh butter. That's anything that the closer it
came from a cow, the poshare it is, as far
as I'm concerned. And I went to place called the
New in Somerset the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Do you know I haven't been there, but.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, anyway did They did a sour though there and
a big wedge of local butter, and it's just no
point in anything else. So it will probably be I do
like Marmie. I do like marmalade. By the way, I
can talk about marmalade for sometime now. I'm not going
to fall down into the that's episode two. So although
(36:25):
my nature is not bread driven, arm I when I
do taste good bread and good butter hard to trumpet
and like anchovies on toast to anchovies on toast. But actually,
if you get enough of the olive oil in the anchovies.
Then I don't find I don't need the butter.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But is really nice with anchivies. You know, even Italians
have butter and anchovies. Is there something about as salted.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
ANCHI yeah, you do a lot of anchovies. You're very well,
you're big on anchovies. But hold on, I'm feeling as though,
and then I do they're all going to be It's
it's okay. Bread.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Bread is comforting.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
The question was about what's comforting, so yeah, so it
will They're all bread related. I do like pigeon, I know, yeah, yeah,
I love pigeon. I'm giving you lots of answers.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So I'll be like it. This is well, there's a
difference between liking and something you might turn to when
you really thought, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
What, where'd your cheddar? Where did you che branson pickle?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Own bread?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, big on that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So we've had comfort, we've had creativity, we've had and
we've had a great piece of meat, didn't we That
was a rebby to remember. That was delicious. So yeah,
there's not very many people that you interview who bring
their own who bring their own grills. So we have
a lot more to do more talking, more, cooking, more
eating together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, fabulous.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
That was the little boy that I met when he
was twelve years old. You've come a long way. Thank you,
thank you, thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four
in partnership with Montclair.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ruthie's Table four is produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio.
It's hosted by Ruthie Rogers and it's produced by William Lensky.
This episode was edited by Julia Johnson and mixed by
Nigel Appleton. Our executive producers are Fay Stewart and Zad Rogers.
Our production manager is Caitlin Paramore, and our production coordinator
(38:36):
is Bella Selini. This episode had additional contributions by Sean
Wynn Owen. Thank you to everyone at The River Cafe
for your help in making this episode.
Host
Ruth Rogers
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