August 5, 2024 • 36 mins
A few months ago in The River Cafe, after talking about raising children in a tumultuous world, the movies we've been watching, and above all, where and what we've been eating, Keira Knightley, James Righton and I vowed to do an episode of Ruthie’s Table 4 together.
Schedules, families, work and travel got in the way until finally we reunited to talk about their many worlds—connected by their love of people, their love of food, and their love for each other.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
One of the many things I love about cooking is collaboration, sourcing, prepping, presenting, delighting,
and healing each other with the food we choose to
eat or to cook. Ask any of the friends of
Kiera Knightley and James Ryden as I did, or people
have worked with them as I did, and they talk
of them as almost one person. How they parent their children,
(00:27):
Edi and Delilah, bringing music and acting into their home,
immersing themselves in the communities they live in, and most
appealing to me, investing a large amount of time and
deciding what and where they're all going to eat. Kia
and James love and they are loved. We've seen Kiera's
jewels bend it like Beckham, Elizabeth Bennett, Pride and Prejudice,
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Annacrenna Collette. We've listened to James as a keyboardist of
indie rave Sensation that Clason's. He's now solo artists working
in TV film, recently helping Benny and Bjorn create abb
a Voyage two worlds joining together music and theater. I
last saw Kier and James a few months ago in
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the River Cafe with our close friends Erdam and Joseph,
after an evening of non stop talking how to raise
children in a tumultuous world, the movies we've been watching,
and above all, where and what we've been eating. We
vowed to meet soon. Schedules, families, work and travel got
in the way. But here we are on a Monday
(01:31):
morning in the River Cafe, three friends together. Now that's
the best collaboration.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh how do we speak after that? So we do
talk a lot about food.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But you did choose, of all the recipes in all
twelve cookbooks spaghetti I love Angelais and Imagen is here
to bring us the recipe?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Did you make it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Imagen?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Do you want to just tell us about this? What
do we have here?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We've got fresh taglerini which has just been made now
with eggs and flour and semolina and the clams. The
bongolais from Cornwall, very fresh, and this is one of
my absolute favorite dishes. It's cooked finished off with butter
and our lovely olive oil, and it's got a little
bit of lemon, and it's cooked with fiano white wine.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yum. Now, can I ask everybody how would you if
you've got the bongol eate you're the professional. Do you
use the shell to take the clams out, do you know?
Or do you just like get it with.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The Yeah, I mean they normally sort of fall out
as you cook them.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's delicious, woe.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, they're gorgeous, aren't they. Initially we cook them with
fresh chili parsi stalks, which are really sweet, and then
you once you've got them coated in the lovely olive oil,
we finish it with the white Fiano white wine and
just let them steam open.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
They always say littally, you know, take take the person
out of the cupboard and then decide what sauce you're
going to have with it, because they're very clear about
different sauces. And also and then we just love it
with the tag. And so we've broken the rules a
few times. So many rules to break. But is that
actually then you find out it's not breaking a rule,
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you know, because spaghetti bongelais comes from the South, and
so you know, butter is really no not the norm,
so you know, but it just makes that sauce a
bit richer, doesn't it. All Right, let's read the recipe
then so we have.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No I'm going to do the list, and then you're
going to read the difficult bit. I find recipes one
of the most with dyslexia that it all okay. Spaghetti
alivongla for six seventy five grams butter, extra virgin olive oil,
two garlic cloves peeled and chopped, one dried red chili crushed,
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one kilogram small clams washed, half a bunch fresh flat
leaf parsley, picked and chopped. Two hundred and fifty milli
liters Vermanino wine. Four hundred grams dried spaghetti.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Check over the clams and discard any that are not closed.
Place half the butter in a wide pan with two
tablespoons of olive oil. The garlic and chili, season with
salt and freshly ground pepper. Fry for a minute and
add the clams and passy and toss over the heat.
Add the wine and cover with a lid. Cook for
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about five minutes. Shake in the pan from time to time.
Cook the spaghetti and plenty of boiling water until al dente.
When the clams are open, discard any that remain closed,
Mix them with the drained spaghetti and toss in the
remaining butter serve.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There you go go beautiful. So growing up in your house,
what was food like? Did you my mom's down she was, yeah,
but she of full time.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No, she's a writer. Yeah, so she's a writer. My
dad's an actor. But my mum was the cook and
it was very seventies. We were not allowed sugar. It
was very like brown ricey, but it was very very good.
Mum's bastard pasta sauce. He was very when he's gone
for his like you go for your purest moments and
(05:17):
you go very anti. My mother's bastard pasta sauce. It delicious,
but it's delicious, delicious, Yeah, yeah, delicious.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
It's everything that I wouldn't do. That's why I love it.
Onions and garlic, like literally everything.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Me and my brother ate everything. There were roast chickens,
there was fish, there was fish cakes. There was I
remember she made a green sauce with fish cakes. But
we had a very tiny kitchen, so you could never
cook with her. But it meant that, I think for her,
the private time was the cooking time. So I never
learned to cook from her because you couldn't be in
the kit You couldn't both be in the kitchen cooking.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Did you cook with your No, No, I was a
different kind of I grew up with my dad who
had a little kind of business that you ran at
the same time, and so I grew up on it.
Probably killed me for saying this, but it was, you know,
Marks and Spencer's Carbonara ready meals in the.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Microwave fair enough, which you know, but I have to say,
he makes shepherd pie incredible. Every time we go back,
I asked for his Shepherd's pie.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Because it's it's really good.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's really great. But my nan would cook for me
like she was kind of a real old school lots
of lard.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She the mother of your father.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
No, no, my mother's mother, your mother's mum. But it
was a lot of kind of sausage rolls and that
kind of British kind of where were they from area,
Stratford upon Avon, And so.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It was this a kind of cooking that she'd grown
up with.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Saying so, yeah, there's lots of pastries, was terrible looking
about cakes, sausage rolls. Cheese on toast was the big thing.
Crust off the cheese on toast, the whitest of white
bread with had It was amazing. Though it still kind
of feel I still miss that. I still don't know
how she made that cheese on toast taste?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Did she ever let you go in the kitchen if you.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Just hang out there?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I have to say when we first met, you
did You've always made an amazing roast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And that was her.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
She made an amazing roast in Yorkshire put in you know
classic there was it was. They were always incredible and
she used to I had a job where I worked
on a boat on the River Aven, so be a
boat boy and like these a mini like cruise ships
that do least half hour towards the River Aven.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And every time.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I'd always go into a bridge, she'd be at the
top with these sausage rolls in a little kind of
tupperware and she dropped them and I'd have to catch them.
And with my mom, I just remember being this kind
of I mean, she's amazing my mum. But a lot
of my food phobias stemmed from kind of her slightly
chaotic but wonderful kind of kitchen lots. What was it
(07:37):
like There were a lot of kind of jars of
things with like Hellman's e jars that were kind of oozing, and.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
He has condiment issues.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Amazing no content in America.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Being in America, I think I heard the word condiment
or we just had probably ketchup and Mustard.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
World condiments, condiments, anything's at the end of it, mustard,
can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Catch up. Butter.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
There was a butter. No butter you'll have when it's
when it's melted.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Not that makes sense because it doesn't can't get you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Did you why did you begin?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I think I, like I said, I think it was
maybe because I don't want to blame my mom for it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Did she did?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
She? Did?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
She have a refrigerator, Yeah, but it was just she
put it in the don't you know?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It was kind of like that Helman's he must have thing,
and it was it's mayonnaise, mayonnaise, that one on the same.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I banned them all together in this.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But so this was when when we first got together
and I really found out about the issues, and I
knew that it was serious when he very seriously turned
around to me and said, you know, if you want
to keep mayonnaise in the fridge, you can, And I was.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like, that was that was yeah, I get it with
the mayonnaise and the ketchup and the mustard and all that.
But it's interesting that you have butter.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Is that you know, it is a shame, but this
is it as well a ketch up. You know when
you see on a table mayonnaise that's had some ketchup
in it, and it's.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That swirl of like this is your dad, your dad,
You've got a big There's a butter and jam issue
which I found out again when I stayed with his dad,
and like you must now maybe you agree with this,
but you must never use the same knife. The butter
and the jam must never meet.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, probably say that's logical, logical.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't have my issues.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I never noticed that I've got one knife. Maybe I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's like that. I would never be just proving of
it at all. You could do anything you want.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, no, I've now got I've got big.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Really, I'm very careful about the separate.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Do you think you could ever fall in love with
somebody who didn't care about food?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah? Did you ever go out to restaurants?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We did.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I remember one of my best my favorite Christmas is
was Dad took us to the local Chinese for Christmas
dinner and it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Was just duck.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Did you go out to restaurants as a child.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
We had the local Indian restaurant, which I loved, and
then the local Chinese restaurant, which I remember the name
of it was called Walk This Way. That was brilliant. Ye,
that was amazing. Yeah, so you do. I mean, it
was definitely like treats. But we'd got know. We'd go
once a week to the Indian restaurant, which I loved.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's still a family thing, isn't it. I mean, you
guys want everyone'm there.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's an Indian takeaway all the way. Yeah, And I
remember I have a love of spicy food, a deep
love of spicy food. But it was all from being
ten and being there with my brother who is five
years older, and his friend and then daring me to
eat a spicy curage and me just like being I'm
going to eat this and I'm and just sweating but
eating it. And every week after that, I'd go for
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the spiciest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And now still do I mean, crazy spy.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I do love it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You do love it.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I do love it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
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like when you left? How old were you when you
left home?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
By the time I was sixteen, I was working away
a lot, and then eighteen I was properly out. Did
you know that you wanted to add I'd wanted to
act from the age of three, and my mom and
dad had not let me because they did not want
a child actress in the family.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Were they involved in theater?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, so one's a writer, one's an actor. And they didn't,
you know, they didn't want me doing it at all
because they wanted me to be a kid, you know,
I think. But I was absolutely desperate. And then finally
the school said, well, look, she can't read at all,
and we need a carrot to dangle in front of
us so she knows there's something that she wants. And
they said, well, she wants an agent. They said, it's
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no I want an asia because they always had agents calling,
and I remember answering had land and it could be
it's your mum's agent. So I think it was like, well,
if you've got an age of wine and I have
an agent, that is so unfair. But also i'd be
with them, you know, a lot backstage at theaters, so
my dad, if they didn't have any childcare, then i'd
be sitting in his dressing room and he'd go on stage,
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you know what I mean. And it was that was
how it was. So I wanted to be a part
of that anyway. So they said, right, there's your carrot.
And it was always if you read, if your grades
go up, you're allowed to keep on acting, but if
they go down, then it stops. It was a carrot.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It works, didn't you memorize a lot of well, yeah,
this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So it's still sit reading I find really hard. It
really bounces. But I listened to it again. I mean
I basically I record it and listened to it and
listen to it and listen to it, and that's how
I learn it. But now we have a dyslexic kid
and she's doing the same thing. Her memory is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
She'll look at but she'll have memorized the book basically.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you left home? What age then to be an actor?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Sixteen? So were you so bender like Beckham? I did
at sixteen, but I was living at home. But I
really remember on that one the because we had a
lot of Indian actors and their families would come and
they brought food.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And I remember Grinda Chada's family, she was the director,
bringing this amazing Indian food.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Did you have your own apartment? When did you have
your own apartment?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When eighteen? I had my own apartment?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know, I was doing quite well, so it was
very nice. Yeah, and I lived with my brother and
his then girlfriend, and she was a great cook, and
we had a lot of Indian take aways.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, you would you entertain? Would you have friends over?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We had a lot because at that point I was
ridiculously famous and I couldn't get outside and so the
only way to see people was to have them around
at my apartment. So we had big Yeah, it was
a big. Big parties were always around at mine.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
When did you leave?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
When I say eighteen, I went to UNI in Cardiff,
and then I spent a year in Madrid, which was
kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Year after graduation, Yeah, and then I moved to London.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And tell me about Madrid.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I was amazing, but it was food. Like in Madrid
for me, it was like I get this beer and
then I get free food with it. This is amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I'm just going to go where that pretty minimal condiments,
you know, I can deal with this. So I went
there for a year and taught English, which was really fun,
and just playing music at that point, played music since
I was a kid, since I think I was ten
or eleven. At primary school there were there was this
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band primary school, like the other kids in my year,
who are the coolest kids. They're just amazing. They're into Nirvana.
It is just at the time I think Kirkmaye just
died basically, and my dad is a brilliant musician. He didn't, Yeah,
he studied, got a scholarship at Durham clarinet, piano, guitar.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He just plays everything.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So we had a lot of music in the always.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, and I remember like in the house, like being
in my dad's car just listening to like the Stranglers
and like Golden Brown and it was just music always
and so then I was away, you know, and then
at Union in Madrid, I just kind of made music
on my own.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But yeah, it was just always something.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That Madrid was exposure to, food, to tap us to. Yeah,
did you ever live in a foreign country? Were you
when you were not? Were always on set?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean I was always on set, so sort of,
but like early on Rome, and I mean America a
lot and the Caribbean a lot. I think catering on
film sets it's the hard It is the hardest thing
to do because you've got to be there so insanely early,
and then often we do these things called running lunches,
which means that you have to have all the food
ready for like this three hour period where it just
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sits there and you grab it when you know. So
it's an incredibly difficult kind of thing. But I don't
think that you get a love of food from it,
although that was the amazing guy. Do you remember it,
run it through the garden. In America, they famously have
much better catering. You know, there's there's just more. So
they always had like a guy that would do like
an omelet stand or something, you know, like he'd be
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the guy making and he had this thing if you
wanted like vegetables in it, and he'd say, do you
want to run through the garden?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Run it through the garden.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, run it through the garden. But it's really hard.
And then you go you go back and you're always
slower when you go back, are you.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, you shouldn't take you should always it on an
empty stomach, a vocal take any takes as a band, Yeah, yeah,
you don want to eat and then do a gig,
you know what I mean before and no one likesping
on the mar I mean, no one's going.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
To appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So you were in Madrid, get there?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yeah, And then I started This was in his band collection,
so we did that for I started that two thousand.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And five, touring a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Of ten years all over them everywhere, which is Asia, everywhere, Australia.
I feel like, food wise unbelievable. That was my favorite
bit about kind of touring was to go to he's.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
An amazing traveler, Like it's no, but you are, like
it's a skill that and you have. Like so when
he used to be in the band and we get
on the tour bus, and so you'd only ever have
like what a couple of hours in each place to
do things, and everybody else would sort of stay and
they'd be on their computers or they'd be watching a film.
And he has researched the top things to do in
the city and the top places to eat in the city,
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and he's like, right, in three hours, we can hit
this and we can get there, and we can get there.
His band called it fear tours, because you never quite
knew if you were going to die.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
We almost did die.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I didn't know this, but I was told there's a
really good steak place in this near La Bocca in
Buenos Aires. So I convinced the band to all follow
me on this like magical mystery tour to the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
The Boka is quite a heavy area of buen As.
We're all dressed like Duran Duran or something, with our
cameras out, you know, and then from out of nowhere,
some guy came over and whacked our drummer with something,
and his camera went flying, and we ended up in
a police car going around.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Quite a lot with him police car.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
He's two year old in a police car as well,
what happened five minutes before you went into the police
car with your two year old?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
But I was working in Boston. He's looking at the
six year old we put in school. It was COVID.
It wasn't the best, but anyway, so he's with the
two year old. Winter in Boston, very cold. I'm on
set and all I get is I get an assistant
coming again. Don't don't worry. But James and Delilah are
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in a police car. Why why?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And James there is fine.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
We were fine.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They were like, we're all good.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Well, basically I'd heard in Boston that there was this
place that did pizza, pizza, that it's it's open, opens
at like eight am, and the minute it sells out
of the pizza and it sells out by So I
was like, Okay, Delilah, our youngest, who's then one, I said,
you know today the Daddy Adventure, We're going to go
get pizza. So we drive at like seven am in
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the snow to this Italian district of Boston. It's minus
twenty wrapper up. We get out the car, it's like
a blizzard storm into this pizza place, order a couple
of slices of cheese pizza. We sit there, we have
a lovely slice of pizza. Breakfast, breakfast. Then I get
out the restaurant or the pizza place, and I walked
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down left like this, walk down there's no carca'd walk
down the other way back there, there's no car there. Okay,
go back into the restaurant.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
But what I love is what he's very vocal, right,
So they wouldn't have just been, oh, I'm chilled up
because I can't find the car. It was. It's more
like I'm with my two year olds taking our car. Yeah,
drove there in your car.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, And then and then and then you know, it
was the police came. I went out.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I saw a policeman and I said, look, I've had
my car still and said I get in the car.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So get in this car.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
And it's like plastic seats with the one year old,
and we just you know, so then and they got
the Boston accent, a thick iron, you know, and we
drive out and we drive a little bit around the
corn just walk a little bit, and they've got the
key and they're pressing.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I didn't know you can press a button on a
on a car remote and hear the beep.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It was there.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They hadn't been stolen. Four year old jaw.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
When we were in the back of the police car.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Can I just very simply ask you how you met?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Where do we meet? We met at Dean Street Townhouse
in London, which was okay. So that week my agent
said to me, I've had this dream I was single.
I've had a dream that you're meeting your future husband
this week. That's exciting. So I got invited out to
loads of things and I have to say I'd met
a load of people that week and I was sorry,
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this is happening anyway. So the end of the week
was an oscar viewing party, which anyway, so I was like,
really didn't want to go. It was a Sunday night,
I was in the theater. I couldn't be bothered to go.
And then I was like, but I meant to meet
my future husband, so I'm going to go to this
thing that I don't want to go to. And I
sat down and I didn't. I was like, again, everybody's
very nice, but my future husband definitely isn't there. And
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my very good friend Tim Phillips, who is a composer.
He phoned me up very drunk, like incredibly drunk.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hey man, I'm in Sohomeman and with friends.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Where are you? And I was like, no, no, I'm
a sit down thing. You're not allowed to go. Where
are you?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Then?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Man, Dean Street Town? Okay, man, I'm coming. Please don't come,
Please don't come. No, please don't come anyway. And the
door of this private room opens and my friend Tim's
head comes around like this, and my friend's Curran's head
and I'm like, oh my god. And the third head
come around with James, and James grabbed a seat. There
was a seat and he just grabbed it around and said, hello,
I'm your your future.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
There he is.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And then and then you just hate and drank and
we basically and drank until we got married. You got married,
well drank until I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And so you just knew that you had this love
of food and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It was alcohol, but it was at that point it
was alcohol, but it was a food. No, but how
did you food if you.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Were playing, you were you were a musician, you were like,
I know that you loved alcohol, but you had to
get up in the morning and work, So how did
you know at that point? Was at yeah, And I think.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Actually maybe if I'd been filming at the time, we
never would have got together. But because I was in
the theater and it was I was doing a show
with a lot it was great. Was a children It
was Helmut Lillian Hellman children. Yeah, and it was with
Elizabeth mass and it was great because it was a
bunch of girls. We were all like in our early
mid twenties. We were all single, and we were having
(23:16):
a really really really really good time. And so I
met him in the middle of that when he was
also having a really really really really good time. But
the food thing, he was not into food and he
wouldn't try because of the condiment pre previously mentioned condiment issues.
There were other food issues at that point, like he
really wouldn't eat much apart from the cheese on toast situation,
and I was like, this is not going to happen
(23:37):
if we can't go out. So again, my my oldest
and very close friend who's a big foodie, Charlie, he
met him. He was I really like him, but the
food situation is terrible. So we used to take him
to all of our favorite restaurants and we'd yeah, we'd
order for him and we we'd be like and he'd
look at it. No, no, no, no, and then we'd
be like, close your eyes and eat it. So basically
(23:58):
I bullied him into education and then created a monster
overtook both of us.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
No, it's literally the passion and the kind of Yeah,
I have to find it's a recipe. I can't substitute
that ingredient for that ingredient.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It is a problem because you kind of end up
around London. Yeah, ingredients.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Can you go places if you're in a film or
you're doing something, do you try and all uplift and
go or do you one of you stay home? How
do you manage?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know, we have done since children, We've all we've
traveled together the whole time to just take it gets
to Boston, I mean with our first, since our second
because then COVID hits, so I haven't done as much
since the second one was born. But the first one
we were I mean everywhere. Yeah, yeah, we were everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Tell me about a day in the life of your
house and you get coffee.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
And coffee, make the coffee good, grind it, you know,
fresh b sixty pour over coffee. She gets black coffee
in the morning, get the kids to school, children breakfast.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do they have breakfast of anything or.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Justeal cereal apple? That's fine.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They have to finish the fruit they do, so they.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Get an apple or you know, blueberrithes.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
That's the only.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
And then I go to my studio and work. You
go to your office and work, and then we pick
the kids up, and then what.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Might you both have your lunches?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Do you know what I mean? I'm a picky kind
of I'll buy antipacity from our local lovely Italian daddy
and I'll do that. But actually, I mean again, he's
the cook in the house. So there isn't ever a
moment where you don't go, I want to make something lovely.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
When you wake up in the morning, do you think
about what you're going.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
To do that night?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, always all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's literally.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I found the way.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I've got some really great and that will go with that.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But it's not a million miles to away from maybe
writing a song or something.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Okay, let's talk about the.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know it's creativity. I guess that you're kind
of trying to make something from nothing. Say if it's
like at the moment, I'm doing lot scoring, so I
know the kind of world, well it is scoring, composing
for film or TV, and so you know the kind
of you know, this is the palette of instruments we'll
use for this project. Let's say, just like the these
are the ingredients you've got, and this is what you
(26:23):
can do with them, and that limitation that you can
put is good. You know that kind of restrictions are
restrictions are great, like restrictions always. So I think that
that's that's one of the similarities.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But I think because you know, he's obviously a musician.
We have a lot of musician friends. What I'm really
noticing with all of them is that there is an
obsessive collector's quality. It's like rare records, right. They all
go through a period where it's like I've got this
nineteen seventies Japanese synth music from blah. But you know,
it's that thing. And wine is a similar thing. And
that's why, like the natural wine thing really suits a
(26:58):
musician because they're like, great, there's this weird producer who
will only make you know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
And it makes the sharing of that knowledge that the
getting off on like sharing, Oh you don't know about this,
check this out over here.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's sharing of the knowledge of getting.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Excited about you'll do it, you'll do it about ingredients.
So sorry, but the totally I mean the funniest one
with the Totally Citrus Foundation two, which you probably know about.
So there's a okay, So James found out about the
Totally Citrus Foundation that is in Valencia. But he hears
from Layla Leila. Her name is Lila Lilah's shop in
(27:35):
East and she's got all of the citrus fruit and
so going, oh, wow, what's the citrus and she says
about the Totally Foundation, which is basically that a load
of the citrus. They can't grow all of the different
varieties of citrus fruit anymore in Valencia because they're building
on all of the land. But somebody has bought this
plot of land and he's trying to bring back all
of the different varieties of citrus fruit. So James comes
(27:58):
back from Lila's shop. He has an entire box everything
of like every single so many, but there's only two
of us. Wow, this is an intense amount of citrus.
Can't waste the thing. They were eating everything. I actually
get to the point where I'm like, no, I care,
I actually can't. I mean, it's amazing, amazing. Did you
(28:21):
squeeze them and everything?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Some of them you can eat the skins, you know,
it's kumquats.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
It was this one lemon that I got really excited
about that you can eat, you cut it and the
skins aren't bitter.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It is it like in a mouthy lemon with Admiral.
There are some lemons that have just a huge amount of.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Piths, a huge amount delicious and you did, like you
eat the pith.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. But he ate so much
that he.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Volited everywhere too much acid, as he found out. But
it's funny because there is a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
There's a lot of musicians who do I remember going
to a wine fair and there will be like a
bump into guy. Weren't you in a band like ten
years ago and we played together? Like yeah, now now
I got a you know, a vineyard in.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The middle of France and I grow this indigenous great
you know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Or who is it from groove Armajo?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's also collaborating, you know when we started out about
collaboration and we do solitary work in the opposite way.
Michael Caine said that he loved a garden because every
time he acted it was with you know, so many,
so many. This is something he could do in a
solitary way. Sometimes if you're in a band, then you
can be solitary. If you're cooking, if you're solitary, then
(29:39):
it's all to do with the.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Going back to the Lemon Foundation, for example, is one example.
It's it's stories and it's it's it's story. It's stories
which connect probably both of us. It's like, you know,
a wine maker just finding out about how that wine
is made, the winemaker's story. There's We used to have
a place in France where we grew wine, we actually
made wine, and we went to visit this one wine
maker who was just.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And she was a nurse who tended to the vines
as if they were.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
As if they were people. And so she took around
and she didn't it was all done by hand or horses.
So it's really old school. It was in the foot
of a mountain and she'd grow like wild roses up
next to it, and I mean it was so beautiful,
but she she talked about each plant like it was
a person, and she wouldn't pick the fruit or she
was tending to some of them and she wouldn't use it.
And the wine was the most beautiful, you know. But
(30:32):
that story is something that's so kind of powerful, and
you see somebody who's committed their whole life, and particularly
I think with wine, it's like it's so, I mean,
a hailstorm comes and you've lost the whole thing, you know,
So it's really on.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
The edge agriculture. You go to go, you know, very
involved with olive oil and wine. A lot of the
people who produce you know, wine produce olive oil. And
then you'd go in a year and they've had had
a hailstorm in August and then the harper is over,
you know, and so they're living on this creativity. But
it's based on especially now.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Especially she was amazing because also she was in an
area where the lot there's a lot of big wine,
little hot wine.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
She was getting really fresh, beautiful wine that she's.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Arguably because she was farming it naturally, so the roots
had to go down so far so instead of like
spraying it, and the roots are on the top, so
you're getting those really big, heavy ones.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It was like, really the roots were deep.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So it was like very very.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Lightly amazing wine. But all of that, Like finding out
stuff like that is incredible. You know, it makes you
enjoy it all so much more. You're like, this is
actually magic.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, what are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I just finished a Netflix six part series called Black Doves,
which is about Tory MP's wife who is actually a
deep undercover secret agent selling government secrets. I'm basically a
complete two faced psychopath and I've been having an affair
and my the person I've been having an affair with,
(32:01):
gets murdered, and my best friend played by Ben Wisher,
who's gorgeous and he's an assassin, and we go on
a murderous rampage trying to avenge my boyfriend.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
There was an amazing I went to set one on
one day and there was an amazing, amazing, juicy scene
between Ben, yourself and Tracey Ullman, which was I was
so lucky to watch them.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Just masters, all of you are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Nice. You had to flow.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Saved it, Okay, James, tell me what you're working on.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I finished a TV show called Daddy Issues composed of
music for that which is coming out in August on
BBC One, which is a lovely six part series with
Amy Leewood and David Morrissey. And then I'm just doing
the music for a documentary on a cappella singers in America.
It's an intercollegiate competition that they have in America, very
American college.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
In America, Yale.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
They all saying that, yeah, and you can be very
you know, you could be cynical and go oh. A
lot of them, you know, singers, they just want to
be stars and stuff. But actually these people do the
work and they're very, very good, and there's a lot
of kind of very touching human stories behind a.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Lot of their journeys.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Great, when is that coming out.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
It's been made right now, so it'll be finished in
the next month and then it'll probably go.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
To the festivals.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
What's the connection.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh, this is a weird one.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
So we have a mutual friend called Johann who is
a director, and we were on holiday in France and
I was at a supermarket getting food for the kids
and they get this cool from Johann saying, hey, James,
abba are reforming. They've made a new album and they're
going to do shows. Do you want to be involved?
(33:45):
And I said yeah, sure. So the next thing you know,
I'm I met up with Benny and Bjorn in London
and they tell me about their album and what the
plans for what they were doing and this is the
Abba Voyage show. And then I had to kind of
put the band to find forty odd musicians in London.
We had to rehearse them and audition and pick pick them,
(34:09):
and then I went to Stockholm for a month with
Benny and Bjorn in the band and we kind of
figured out the set and how it would work, and
I spent it was like the most magical month of
my life, just hanging with Benny and Bjorn and getting
to deconstruct Abba songs and listen to all the individual
parts of.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
A phone calls from you and you were like like
this is the actual.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Sense, that's the one.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah, And they're the most lovely people and it was
all a bit of a kind of no one knew
exactly how it would work out.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So I suppose if we're thinking about all your stories
and all your thoughts, is there a food that you
would go to if you needed some comfort.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Spaghetti bollonais Yes, is it?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I mean that's the thing that's come like, yeah, I
love it. I mean, if I could have a bowl
and that's what's going to be in it, I'm just
going to be like the happiness, preferably with a glass
of red wine. But you know, if not on its
own is fine, what would be?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I don't know? Whe do you know?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I know?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
The first thing came to my head was actually one
of those toasty machines which we don't have, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That little pattern.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, nice, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Let's go back to why the cheese sandwich?
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I guess because it goes back to maybe comfort. My
NaN's house was comfort. It was that probably because there's
no risk, there's no condiment involved.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're so wrong. What do you
mean because you have to put a bit of mustard
in there? Because that's what And can I tell you
the best cheese sandwich that you've ever had? Come on?
It was Charlie's Charlie Charlie again, Charlie really good. Where
he did the thing? And yes he did of course, yeah,
I mean I know he told you he didn't, but
(35:55):
I was like, was there Mustard. Of course, that was
just talking.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
About comfort and you're argument. Come on, guys, I think
we have to do another one part too, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, we're still together.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think you will be.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Great, let's go have some lunch.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
One of the many things I love about cooking is collaboration, sourcing, prepping, presenting, delighting,
and healing each other with the food we choose to
eat or to cook. Ask any of the friends of
Kiera Knightley and James Ryden as I did, or people
have worked with them as I did, and they talk
of them as almost one person. How they parent their children,
(00:27):
Edi and Delilah, bringing music and acting into their home,
immersing themselves in the communities they live in, and most
appealing to me, investing a large amount of time and
deciding what and where they're all going to eat. Kia
and James love and they are loved. We've seen Kiera's
jewels bend it like Beckham, Elizabeth Bennett, Pride and Prejudice,
(00:50):
Annacrenna Collette. We've listened to James as a keyboardist of
indie rave Sensation that Clason's. He's now solo artists working
in TV film, recently helping Benny and Bjorn create abb
a Voyage two worlds joining together music and theater. I
last saw Kier and James a few months ago in
(01:10):
the River Cafe with our close friends Erdam and Joseph,
after an evening of non stop talking how to raise
children in a tumultuous world, the movies we've been watching,
and above all, where and what we've been eating. We
vowed to meet soon. Schedules, families, work and travel got
in the way. But here we are on a Monday
(01:31):
morning in the River Cafe, three friends together. Now that's
the best collaboration.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh how do we speak after that? So we do
talk a lot about food.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But you did choose, of all the recipes in all
twelve cookbooks spaghetti I love Angelais and Imagen is here
to bring us the recipe?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Did you make it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Imagen?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Do you want to just tell us about this? What
do we have here?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We've got fresh taglerini which has just been made now
with eggs and flour and semolina and the clams. The
bongolais from Cornwall, very fresh, and this is one of
my absolute favorite dishes. It's cooked finished off with butter
and our lovely olive oil, and it's got a little
bit of lemon, and it's cooked with fiano white wine.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yum. Now, can I ask everybody how would you if
you've got the bongol eate you're the professional. Do you
use the shell to take the clams out, do you know?
Or do you just like get it with.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The Yeah, I mean they normally sort of fall out
as you cook them.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's delicious, woe.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, they're gorgeous, aren't they. Initially we cook them with
fresh chili parsi stalks, which are really sweet, and then
you once you've got them coated in the lovely olive oil,
we finish it with the white Fiano white wine and
just let them steam open.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
They always say littally, you know, take take the person
out of the cupboard and then decide what sauce you're
going to have with it, because they're very clear about
different sauces. And also and then we just love it
with the tag. And so we've broken the rules a
few times. So many rules to break. But is that
actually then you find out it's not breaking a rule,
(03:17):
you know, because spaghetti bongelais comes from the South, and
so you know, butter is really no not the norm,
so you know, but it just makes that sauce a
bit richer, doesn't it. All Right, let's read the recipe
then so we have.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No I'm going to do the list, and then you're
going to read the difficult bit. I find recipes one
of the most with dyslexia that it all okay. Spaghetti
alivongla for six seventy five grams butter, extra virgin olive oil,
two garlic cloves peeled and chopped, one dried red chili crushed,
(03:55):
one kilogram small clams washed, half a bunch fresh flat
leaf parsley, picked and chopped. Two hundred and fifty milli
liters Vermanino wine. Four hundred grams dried spaghetti.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Check over the clams and discard any that are not closed.
Place half the butter in a wide pan with two
tablespoons of olive oil. The garlic and chili, season with
salt and freshly ground pepper. Fry for a minute and
add the clams and passy and toss over the heat.
Add the wine and cover with a lid. Cook for
(04:29):
about five minutes. Shake in the pan from time to time.
Cook the spaghetti and plenty of boiling water until al dente.
When the clams are open, discard any that remain closed,
Mix them with the drained spaghetti and toss in the
remaining butter serve.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There you go go beautiful. So growing up in your house,
what was food like? Did you my mom's down she was, yeah,
but she of full time.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No, she's a writer. Yeah, so she's a writer. My
dad's an actor. But my mum was the cook and
it was very seventies. We were not allowed sugar. It
was very like brown ricey, but it was very very good.
Mum's bastard pasta sauce. He was very when he's gone
for his like you go for your purest moments and
(05:17):
you go very anti. My mother's bastard pasta sauce. It delicious,
but it's delicious, delicious, Yeah, yeah, delicious.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
It's everything that I wouldn't do. That's why I love it.
Onions and garlic, like literally everything.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Me and my brother ate everything. There were roast chickens,
there was fish, there was fish cakes. There was I
remember she made a green sauce with fish cakes. But
we had a very tiny kitchen, so you could never
cook with her. But it meant that, I think for her,
the private time was the cooking time. So I never
learned to cook from her because you couldn't be in
the kit You couldn't both be in the kitchen cooking.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Did you cook with your No, No, I was a
different kind of I grew up with my dad who
had a little kind of business that you ran at
the same time, and so I grew up on it.
Probably killed me for saying this, but it was, you know,
Marks and Spencer's Carbonara ready meals in the.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Microwave fair enough, which you know, but I have to say,
he makes shepherd pie incredible. Every time we go back,
I asked for his Shepherd's pie.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Because it's it's really good.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's really great. But my nan would cook for me
like she was kind of a real old school lots
of lard.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She the mother of your father.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
No, no, my mother's mother, your mother's mum. But it
was a lot of kind of sausage rolls and that
kind of British kind of where were they from area,
Stratford upon Avon, And so.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It was this a kind of cooking that she'd grown
up with.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Saying so, yeah, there's lots of pastries, was terrible looking
about cakes, sausage rolls. Cheese on toast was the big thing.
Crust off the cheese on toast, the whitest of white
bread with had It was amazing. Though it still kind
of feel I still miss that. I still don't know
how she made that cheese on toast taste?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Did she ever let you go in the kitchen if you.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Just hang out there?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I have to say when we first met, you
did You've always made an amazing roast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And that was her.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
She made an amazing roast in Yorkshire put in you know
classic there was it was. They were always incredible and
she used to I had a job where I worked
on a boat on the River Aven, so be a
boat boy and like these a mini like cruise ships
that do least half hour towards the River Aven.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And every time.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I'd always go into a bridge, she'd be at the
top with these sausage rolls in a little kind of
tupperware and she dropped them and I'd have to catch them.
And with my mom, I just remember being this kind
of I mean, she's amazing my mum. But a lot
of my food phobias stemmed from kind of her slightly
chaotic but wonderful kind of kitchen lots. What was it
(07:37):
like There were a lot of kind of jars of
things with like Hellman's e jars that were kind of oozing, and.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
He has condiment issues.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Amazing no content in America.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Being in America, I think I heard the word condiment
or we just had probably ketchup and Mustard.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
World condiments, condiments, anything's at the end of it, mustard,
can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Catch up. Butter.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
There was a butter. No butter you'll have when it's
when it's melted.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Not that makes sense because it doesn't can't get you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Did you why did you begin?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I think I, like I said, I think it was
maybe because I don't want to blame my mom for it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Did she did?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
She? Did?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
She have a refrigerator, Yeah, but it was just she
put it in the don't you know?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It was kind of like that Helman's he must have thing,
and it was it's mayonnaise, mayonnaise, that one on the same.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I banned them all together in this.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But so this was when when we first got together
and I really found out about the issues, and I
knew that it was serious when he very seriously turned
around to me and said, you know, if you want
to keep mayonnaise in the fridge, you can, And I was.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like, that was that was yeah, I get it with
the mayonnaise and the ketchup and the mustard and all that.
But it's interesting that you have butter.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Is that you know, it is a shame, but this
is it as well a ketch up. You know when
you see on a table mayonnaise that's had some ketchup
in it, and it's.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That swirl of like this is your dad, your dad,
You've got a big There's a butter and jam issue
which I found out again when I stayed with his dad,
and like you must now maybe you agree with this,
but you must never use the same knife. The butter
and the jam must never meet.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, probably say that's logical, logical.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't have my issues.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I never noticed that I've got one knife. Maybe I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's like that. I would never be just proving of
it at all. You could do anything you want.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, no, I've now got I've got big.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Really, I'm very careful about the separate.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Do you think you could ever fall in love with
somebody who didn't care about food?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah? Did you ever go out to restaurants?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We did.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I remember one of my best my favorite Christmas is
was Dad took us to the local Chinese for Christmas
dinner and it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Was just duck.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Did you go out to restaurants as a child.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
We had the local Indian restaurant, which I loved, and
then the local Chinese restaurant, which I remember the name
of it was called Walk This Way. That was brilliant. Ye,
that was amazing. Yeah, so you do. I mean, it
was definitely like treats. But we'd got know. We'd go
once a week to the Indian restaurant, which I loved.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's still a family thing, isn't it. I mean, you
guys want everyone'm there.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's an Indian takeaway all the way. Yeah, And I
remember I have a love of spicy food, a deep
love of spicy food. But it was all from being
ten and being there with my brother who is five
years older, and his friend and then daring me to
eat a spicy curage and me just like being I'm
going to eat this and I'm and just sweating but
eating it. And every week after that, I'd go for
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the spiciest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And now still do I mean, crazy spy.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I do love it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You do love it.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I do love it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The River Cafe Cafe steps away from our restaurant is
now open. In the morning an Italian breakfast with cornetti,
ciambella and cristada from our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon,
ice creamed coops and River Cafe classic desserts. Come in
the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in the bar.
No need to book, see you here. What was it
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like when you left? How old were you when you
left home?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
By the time I was sixteen, I was working away
a lot, and then eighteen I was properly out. Did
you know that you wanted to add I'd wanted to
act from the age of three, and my mom and
dad had not let me because they did not want
a child actress in the family.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Were they involved in theater?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, so one's a writer, one's an actor. And they didn't,
you know, they didn't want me doing it at all
because they wanted me to be a kid, you know,
I think. But I was absolutely desperate. And then finally
the school said, well, look, she can't read at all,
and we need a carrot to dangle in front of
us so she knows there's something that she wants. And
they said, well, she wants an agent. They said, it's
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no I want an asia because they always had agents calling,
and I remember answering had land and it could be
it's your mum's agent. So I think it was like, well,
if you've got an age of wine and I have
an agent, that is so unfair. But also i'd be
with them, you know, a lot backstage at theaters, so
my dad, if they didn't have any childcare, then i'd
be sitting in his dressing room and he'd go on stage,
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you know what I mean. And it was that was
how it was. So I wanted to be a part
of that anyway. So they said, right, there's your carrot.
And it was always if you read, if your grades
go up, you're allowed to keep on acting, but if
they go down, then it stops. It was a carrot.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It works, didn't you memorize a lot of well, yeah,
this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So it's still sit reading I find really hard. It
really bounces. But I listened to it again. I mean
I basically I record it and listened to it and
listen to it and listen to it, and that's how
I learn it. But now we have a dyslexic kid
and she's doing the same thing. Her memory is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
She'll look at but she'll have memorized the book basically.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you left home? What age then to be an actor?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Sixteen? So were you so bender like Beckham? I did
at sixteen, but I was living at home. But I
really remember on that one the because we had a
lot of Indian actors and their families would come and
they brought food.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And I remember Grinda Chada's family, she was the director,
bringing this amazing Indian food.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Did you have your own apartment? When did you have
your own apartment?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When eighteen? I had my own apartment?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know, I was doing quite well, so it was
very nice. Yeah, and I lived with my brother and
his then girlfriend, and she was a great cook, and
we had a lot of Indian take aways.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, you would you entertain? Would you have friends over?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We had a lot because at that point I was
ridiculously famous and I couldn't get outside and so the
only way to see people was to have them around
at my apartment. So we had big Yeah, it was
a big. Big parties were always around at mine.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
When did you leave?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
When I say eighteen, I went to UNI in Cardiff,
and then I spent a year in Madrid, which was
kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Year after graduation, Yeah, and then I moved to London.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And tell me about Madrid.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I was amazing, but it was food. Like in Madrid
for me, it was like I get this beer and
then I get free food with it. This is amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I'm just going to go where that pretty minimal condiments,
you know, I can deal with this. So I went
there for a year and taught English, which was really fun,
and just playing music at that point, played music since
I was a kid, since I think I was ten
or eleven. At primary school there were there was this
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band primary school, like the other kids in my year,
who are the coolest kids. They're just amazing. They're into Nirvana.
It is just at the time I think Kirkmaye just
died basically, and my dad is a brilliant musician. He didn't, Yeah,
he studied, got a scholarship at Durham clarinet, piano, guitar.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He just plays everything.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So we had a lot of music in the always.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, and I remember like in the house, like being
in my dad's car just listening to like the Stranglers
and like Golden Brown and it was just music always
and so then I was away, you know, and then
at Union in Madrid, I just kind of made music
on my own.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But yeah, it was just always something.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That Madrid was exposure to, food, to tap us to. Yeah,
did you ever live in a foreign country? Were you
when you were not? Were always on set?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean I was always on set, so sort of,
but like early on Rome, and I mean America a
lot and the Caribbean a lot. I think catering on
film sets it's the hard It is the hardest thing
to do because you've got to be there so insanely early,
and then often we do these things called running lunches,
which means that you have to have all the food
ready for like this three hour period where it just
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sits there and you grab it when you know. So
it's an incredibly difficult kind of thing. But I don't
think that you get a love of food from it,
although that was the amazing guy. Do you remember it,
run it through the garden. In America, they famously have
much better catering. You know, there's there's just more. So
they always had like a guy that would do like
an omelet stand or something, you know, like he'd be
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the guy making and he had this thing if you
wanted like vegetables in it, and he'd say, do you
want to run through the garden?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Run it through the garden.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, run it through the garden. But it's really hard.
And then you go you go back and you're always
slower when you go back, are you.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, you shouldn't take you should always it on an
empty stomach, a vocal take any takes as a band, Yeah, yeah,
you don want to eat and then do a gig,
you know what I mean before and no one likesping
on the mar I mean, no one's going.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
To appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So you were in Madrid, get there?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yeah, And then I started This was in his band collection,
so we did that for I started that two thousand.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And five, touring a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Of ten years all over them everywhere, which is Asia, everywhere, Australia.
I feel like, food wise unbelievable. That was my favorite
bit about kind of touring was to go to he's.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
An amazing traveler, Like it's no, but you are, like
it's a skill that and you have. Like so when
he used to be in the band and we get
on the tour bus, and so you'd only ever have
like what a couple of hours in each place to
do things, and everybody else would sort of stay and
they'd be on their computers or they'd be watching a film.
And he has researched the top things to do in
the city and the top places to eat in the city,
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and he's like, right, in three hours, we can hit
this and we can get there, and we can get there.
His band called it fear tours, because you never quite
knew if you were going to die.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
We almost did die.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I didn't know this, but I was told there's a
really good steak place in this near La Bocca in
Buenos Aires. So I convinced the band to all follow
me on this like magical mystery tour to the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
The Boka is quite a heavy area of buen As.
We're all dressed like Duran Duran or something, with our
cameras out, you know, and then from out of nowhere,
some guy came over and whacked our drummer with something,
and his camera went flying, and we ended up in
a police car going around.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Quite a lot with him police car.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
He's two year old in a police car as well,
what happened five minutes before you went into the police
car with your two year old?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
But I was working in Boston. He's looking at the
six year old we put in school. It was COVID.
It wasn't the best, but anyway, so he's with the
two year old. Winter in Boston, very cold. I'm on
set and all I get is I get an assistant
coming again. Don't don't worry. But James and Delilah are
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in a police car. Why why?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And James there is fine.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
We were fine.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They were like, we're all good.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Well, basically I'd heard in Boston that there was this
place that did pizza, pizza, that it's it's open, opens
at like eight am, and the minute it sells out
of the pizza and it sells out by So I
was like, Okay, Delilah, our youngest, who's then one, I said,
you know today the Daddy Adventure, We're going to go
get pizza. So we drive at like seven am in
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the snow to this Italian district of Boston. It's minus
twenty wrapper up. We get out the car, it's like
a blizzard storm into this pizza place, order a couple
of slices of cheese pizza. We sit there, we have
a lovely slice of pizza. Breakfast, breakfast. Then I get
out the restaurant or the pizza place, and I walked
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down left like this, walk down there's no carca'd walk
down the other way back there, there's no car there. Okay,
go back into the restaurant.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
But what I love is what he's very vocal, right,
So they wouldn't have just been, oh, I'm chilled up
because I can't find the car. It was. It's more
like I'm with my two year olds taking our car. Yeah,
drove there in your car.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, And then and then and then you know, it
was the police came. I went out.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I saw a policeman and I said, look, I've had
my car still and said I get in the car.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So get in this car.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
And it's like plastic seats with the one year old,
and we just you know, so then and they got
the Boston accent, a thick iron, you know, and we
drive out and we drive a little bit around the
corn just walk a little bit, and they've got the
key and they're pressing.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I didn't know you can press a button on a
on a car remote and hear the beep.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It was there.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They hadn't been stolen. Four year old jaw.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
When we were in the back of the police car.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Can I just very simply ask you how you met?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Where do we meet? We met at Dean Street Townhouse
in London, which was okay. So that week my agent
said to me, I've had this dream I was single.
I've had a dream that you're meeting your future husband
this week. That's exciting. So I got invited out to
loads of things and I have to say I'd met
a load of people that week and I was sorry,
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this is happening anyway. So the end of the week
was an oscar viewing party, which anyway, so I was like,
really didn't want to go. It was a Sunday night,
I was in the theater. I couldn't be bothered to go.
And then I was like, but I meant to meet
my future husband, so I'm going to go to this
thing that I don't want to go to. And I
sat down and I didn't. I was like, again, everybody's
very nice, but my future husband definitely isn't there. And
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my very good friend Tim Phillips, who is a composer.
He phoned me up very drunk, like incredibly drunk.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hey man, I'm in Sohomeman and with friends.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Where are you? And I was like, no, no, I'm
a sit down thing. You're not allowed to go. Where
are you?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Then?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Man, Dean Street Town? Okay, man, I'm coming. Please don't come,
Please don't come. No, please don't come anyway. And the
door of this private room opens and my friend Tim's
head comes around like this, and my friend's Curran's head
and I'm like, oh my god. And the third head
come around with James, and James grabbed a seat. There
was a seat and he just grabbed it around and said, hello,
I'm your your future.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
There he is.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And then and then you just hate and drank and
we basically and drank until we got married. You got married,
well drank until I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And so you just knew that you had this love
of food and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It was alcohol, but it was at that point it
was alcohol, but it was a food. No, but how
did you food if you.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Were playing, you were you were a musician, you were like,
I know that you loved alcohol, but you had to
get up in the morning and work, So how did
you know at that point? Was at yeah, And I think.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Actually maybe if I'd been filming at the time, we
never would have got together. But because I was in
the theater and it was I was doing a show
with a lot it was great. Was a children It
was Helmut Lillian Hellman children. Yeah, and it was with
Elizabeth mass and it was great because it was a
bunch of girls. We were all like in our early
mid twenties. We were all single, and we were having
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a really really really really good time. And so I
met him in the middle of that when he was
also having a really really really really good time. But
the food thing, he was not into food and he
wouldn't try because of the condiment pre previously mentioned condiment issues.
There were other food issues at that point, like he
really wouldn't eat much apart from the cheese on toast situation,
and I was like, this is not going to happen
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if we can't go out. So again, my my oldest
and very close friend who's a big foodie, Charlie, he
met him. He was I really like him, but the
food situation is terrible. So we used to take him
to all of our favorite restaurants and we'd yeah, we'd
order for him and we we'd be like and he'd
look at it. No, no, no, no, and then we'd
be like, close your eyes and eat it. So basically
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I bullied him into education and then created a monster
overtook both of us.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
No, it's literally the passion and the kind of Yeah,
I have to find it's a recipe. I can't substitute
that ingredient for that ingredient.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It is a problem because you kind of end up
around London. Yeah, ingredients.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Can you go places if you're in a film or
you're doing something, do you try and all uplift and
go or do you one of you stay home? How
do you manage?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know, we have done since children, We've all we've
traveled together the whole time to just take it gets
to Boston, I mean with our first, since our second
because then COVID hits, so I haven't done as much
since the second one was born. But the first one
we were I mean everywhere. Yeah, yeah, we were everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Tell me about a day in the life of your
house and you get coffee.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
And coffee, make the coffee good, grind it, you know,
fresh b sixty pour over coffee. She gets black coffee
in the morning, get the kids to school, children breakfast.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do they have breakfast of anything or.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Justeal cereal apple? That's fine.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They have to finish the fruit they do, so they.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Get an apple or you know, blueberrithes.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
That's the only.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
And then I go to my studio and work. You
go to your office and work, and then we pick
the kids up, and then what.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Might you both have your lunches?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Do you know what I mean? I'm a picky kind
of I'll buy antipacity from our local lovely Italian daddy
and I'll do that. But actually, I mean again, he's
the cook in the house. So there isn't ever a
moment where you don't go, I want to make something lovely.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
When you wake up in the morning, do you think
about what you're going.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
To do that night?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, always all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's literally.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I found the way.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I've got some really great and that will go with that.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But it's not a million miles to away from maybe
writing a song or something.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Okay, let's talk about the.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know it's creativity. I guess that you're kind
of trying to make something from nothing. Say if it's
like at the moment, I'm doing lot scoring, so I
know the kind of world, well it is scoring, composing
for film or TV, and so you know the kind
of you know, this is the palette of instruments we'll
use for this project. Let's say, just like the these
are the ingredients you've got, and this is what you
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can do with them, and that limitation that you can
put is good. You know that kind of restrictions are
restrictions are great, like restrictions always. So I think that
that's that's one of the similarities.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But I think because you know, he's obviously a musician.
We have a lot of musician friends. What I'm really
noticing with all of them is that there is an
obsessive collector's quality. It's like rare records, right. They all
go through a period where it's like I've got this
nineteen seventies Japanese synth music from blah. But you know,
it's that thing. And wine is a similar thing. And
that's why, like the natural wine thing really suits a
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musician because they're like, great, there's this weird producer who
will only make you know.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
And it makes the sharing of that knowledge that the
getting off on like sharing, Oh you don't know about this,
check this out over here.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's sharing of the knowledge of getting.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Excited about you'll do it, you'll do it about ingredients.
So sorry, but the totally I mean the funniest one
with the Totally Citrus Foundation two, which you probably know about.
So there's a okay, So James found out about the
Totally Citrus Foundation that is in Valencia. But he hears
from Layla Leila. Her name is Lila Lilah's shop in
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East and she's got all of the citrus fruit and
so going, oh, wow, what's the citrus and she says
about the Totally Foundation, which is basically that a load
of the citrus. They can't grow all of the different
varieties of citrus fruit anymore in Valencia because they're building
on all of the land. But somebody has bought this
plot of land and he's trying to bring back all
of the different varieties of citrus fruit. So James comes
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back from Lila's shop. He has an entire box everything
of like every single so many, but there's only two
of us. Wow, this is an intense amount of citrus.
Can't waste the thing. They were eating everything. I actually
get to the point where I'm like, no, I care,
I actually can't. I mean, it's amazing, amazing. Did you
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squeeze them and everything?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Some of them you can eat the skins, you know,
it's kumquats.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
It was this one lemon that I got really excited
about that you can eat, you cut it and the
skins aren't bitter.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It is it like in a mouthy lemon with Admiral.
There are some lemons that have just a huge amount of.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Piths, a huge amount delicious and you did, like you
eat the pith.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. But he ate so much
that he.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Volited everywhere too much acid, as he found out. But
it's funny because there is a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
There's a lot of musicians who do I remember going
to a wine fair and there will be like a
bump into guy. Weren't you in a band like ten
years ago and we played together? Like yeah, now now
I got a you know, a vineyard in.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The middle of France and I grow this indigenous great
you know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Or who is it from groove Armajo?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's also collaborating, you know when we started out about
collaboration and we do solitary work in the opposite way.
Michael Caine said that he loved a garden because every
time he acted it was with you know, so many,
so many. This is something he could do in a
solitary way. Sometimes if you're in a band, then you
can be solitary. If you're cooking, if you're solitary, then
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it's all to do with the.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Going back to the Lemon Foundation, for example, is one example.
It's it's stories and it's it's it's story. It's stories
which connect probably both of us. It's like, you know,
a wine maker just finding out about how that wine
is made, the winemaker's story. There's We used to have
a place in France where we grew wine, we actually
made wine, and we went to visit this one wine
maker who was just.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And she was a nurse who tended to the vines
as if they were.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
As if they were people. And so she took around
and she didn't it was all done by hand or horses.
So it's really old school. It was in the foot
of a mountain and she'd grow like wild roses up
next to it, and I mean it was so beautiful,
but she she talked about each plant like it was
a person, and she wouldn't pick the fruit or she
was tending to some of them and she wouldn't use it.
And the wine was the most beautiful, you know. But
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that story is something that's so kind of powerful, and
you see somebody who's committed their whole life, and particularly
I think with wine, it's like it's so, I mean,
a hailstorm comes and you've lost the whole thing, you know,
So it's really on.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
The edge agriculture. You go to go, you know, very
involved with olive oil and wine. A lot of the
people who produce you know, wine produce olive oil. And
then you'd go in a year and they've had had
a hailstorm in August and then the harper is over,
you know, and so they're living on this creativity. But
it's based on especially now.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Especially she was amazing because also she was in an
area where the lot there's a lot of big wine,
little hot wine.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
She was getting really fresh, beautiful wine that she's.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Arguably because she was farming it naturally, so the roots
had to go down so far so instead of like
spraying it, and the roots are on the top, so
you're getting those really big, heavy ones.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It was like, really the roots were deep.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So it was like very very.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Lightly amazing wine. But all of that, Like finding out
stuff like that is incredible. You know, it makes you
enjoy it all so much more. You're like, this is
actually magic.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, what are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I just finished a Netflix six part series called Black Doves,
which is about Tory MP's wife who is actually a
deep undercover secret agent selling government secrets. I'm basically a
complete two faced psychopath and I've been having an affair
and my the person I've been having an affair with,
(32:01):
gets murdered, and my best friend played by Ben Wisher,
who's gorgeous and he's an assassin, and we go on
a murderous rampage trying to avenge my boyfriend.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
There was an amazing I went to set one on
one day and there was an amazing, amazing, juicy scene
between Ben, yourself and Tracey Ullman, which was I was
so lucky to watch them.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Just masters, all of you are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Nice. You had to flow.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Saved it, Okay, James, tell me what you're working on.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I finished a TV show called Daddy Issues composed of
music for that which is coming out in August on
BBC One, which is a lovely six part series with
Amy Leewood and David Morrissey. And then I'm just doing
the music for a documentary on a cappella singers in America.
It's an intercollegiate competition that they have in America, very
American college.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
In America, Yale.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
They all saying that, yeah, and you can be very
you know, you could be cynical and go oh. A
lot of them, you know, singers, they just want to
be stars and stuff. But actually these people do the
work and they're very, very good, and there's a lot
of kind of very touching human stories behind a.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Lot of their journeys.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Great, when is that coming out.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
It's been made right now, so it'll be finished in
the next month and then it'll probably go.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
To the festivals.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
What's the connection.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh, this is a weird one.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
So we have a mutual friend called Johann who is
a director, and we were on holiday in France and
I was at a supermarket getting food for the kids
and they get this cool from Johann saying, hey, James,
abba are reforming. They've made a new album and they're
going to do shows. Do you want to be involved?
(33:45):
And I said yeah, sure. So the next thing you know,
I'm I met up with Benny and Bjorn in London
and they tell me about their album and what the
plans for what they were doing and this is the
Abba Voyage show. And then I had to kind of
put the band to find forty odd musicians in London.
We had to rehearse them and audition and pick pick them,
(34:09):
and then I went to Stockholm for a month with
Benny and Bjorn in the band and we kind of
figured out the set and how it would work, and
I spent it was like the most magical month of
my life, just hanging with Benny and Bjorn and getting
to deconstruct Abba songs and listen to all the individual
parts of.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
A phone calls from you and you were like like
this is the actual.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Sense, that's the one.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah, And they're the most lovely people and it was
all a bit of a kind of no one knew
exactly how it would work out.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So I suppose if we're thinking about all your stories
and all your thoughts, is there a food that you
would go to if you needed some comfort.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Spaghetti bollonais Yes, is it?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I mean that's the thing that's come like, yeah, I
love it. I mean, if I could have a bowl
and that's what's going to be in it, I'm just
going to be like the happiness, preferably with a glass
of red wine. But you know, if not on its
own is fine, what would be?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I don't know? Whe do you know?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I know?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
The first thing came to my head was actually one
of those toasty machines which we don't have, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That little pattern.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, nice, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Let's go back to why the cheese sandwich?
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I guess because it goes back to maybe comfort. My
NaN's house was comfort. It was that probably because there's
no risk, there's no condiment involved.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're so wrong. What do you
mean because you have to put a bit of mustard
in there? Because that's what And can I tell you
the best cheese sandwich that you've ever had? Come on?
It was Charlie's Charlie Charlie again, Charlie really good. Where
he did the thing? And yes he did of course, yeah,
I mean I know he told you he didn't, but
(35:55):
I was like, was there Mustard. Of course, that was
just talking.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
About comfort and you're argument. Come on, guys, I think
we have to do another one part too, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, we're still together.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think you will be.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Great, let's go have some lunch.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership
with Montclair
Host
Ruth Rogers
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