July 19, 2024 • 31 mins
Our friend Kristyn Burtt is back to talk about this week's hot topics in the DWTS universe. This episode is dedicated to Cheryl’s friend Jacoby Jones as we talk about his passing and that of Shannen Doherty and Richard Simmons. Kristyn and Cheryl chat about Amber Roses’s appearance at the RNC, Teresa Guidice’s appearance on Live with Kelly & Mark, Jana Kramer’s very personal wedding day, Jojo Siwa’s Rolling Stone “cringey” review, Dance Moms being back, the Simone Biles documentary, Maks & Peta’s new bundle of joy and so much more. It was a packed week of stories and the ladies have you covered on all of them.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with Me, Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to Sex
Lies and Spray Tans. Thrilled to welcome back our friend
Kristin Burt to the show. Kristin is a pop culture
guru on Ryan Reynolds and Brian folkweis series discontinued on
Fubo TV. She's a contributing editor for Penske Media Corporations.
(00:23):
She knows a daily entertainment commentator on The Tom Bernard
Morning Show and a pop culture expert on TF one's
fifteen Minutes Inside in France. Before we welcome in Kristin,
I just wanted to take a minute to dedicate this
episode to my friend Jacoby Jones. He was very important
to me and I wanted to make sure to honor
him in my own special way. So with that, let's
(00:44):
just get to the stories of the week with the
one and only Kristin Burt. Welcome back, Kristin. Good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm sorry that it's like such a sad, happy week
all mixed into one.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, you were saying you just got back from Chicago.
Would you like to tell us why?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, I was in Chico for a week working, but
I had the opportunity to go and see Val and
Jenna and Artam and Savor after Dark. Yes, Savor after Dark.
It's at the Broadway Playhouse in Chicago. It's a lovely
intimate theater and if you get the opportunity to go
see it, it's an incredible show. You really get a
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nice close up and personal look at them dancing, and
you get to see them, you know, really dancing full
out too, which we don't always get to see on
the show, which was incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Is it a full two hour show?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It is without intermission. It's about an hour and fifteen minutes,
so it's a perfect length to like go out and
grab dinner either before or after. And I know that
they do some VIP meet and greets after the.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Show, so that's awesome. Words for that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I think it's just a really fun opportunity to
see them. And I know later in the run it
is Danny and Pasha and Max cums in at a
certain point, So pick your favorite. Mixed to proove, Is this.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Like a continuation from their NAPA show?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It is? What's different? So for anyone who saw it
last year, it is done in kind of a nightclub
setting with like tables and chairs. This time it's in
a proscenium theater, but the theater is very small. There's
not a bad seat in the house. In fact, so
funny is it? My husband performed at that theater for
nine months. Oh, I love Lucy Live. So I was
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telling Jenna, I'm like, I have lots of memories at
this theater. He was there about a decade ago. Yeah,
but it's a great house in Chicago is a fabulous town.
So lighting on maybe like a little late summer vacation,
go to Chicago. You'll have a blast.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Speaking of Jenna and val though, congratulations to them. They
just got Emmy nominated I think for the Is it
the first Emmy nomination that they've had for the Len
Goodman Tribute?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right and Goodman Tribute as well as Cheese Freestyle. Oh
really Yeah, so the nomination is kind of for a
body of works that they got nominated for both of those.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And as well as hair and makeup got nominated. Lighting
got nominated, and I believe it's designed and lighting. Yeah,
So you know what, I hope they because like I
remember the makeup artists we get so frustrated because SNL
would always beat them, and at the Emmys, it's like,
it's so hard to compare the two shows, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, it's unbelievable because they're both variety shows, but they're
so completely different. And yeah, competitive category for choreography. You've
got Mandy Moore in there for the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, congratulations to them again, it's well deserved. Okay, so
let's move on to horrible news that definitely I think
affected the industry, I would say over the weekend, especially
with Jacoby Jones, Shannon Doherty. I'm only naming obviously the
people that you know from Dancing with the Stars, since
this is what this podcast is, but I know Richard
Simmons as well, and a couple other people. First of all,
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Jacoby Jones, I mean he died in his sleep. I
guess he was only forty years old. It's first of all,
I'm just gonna talk about my feelings and I'm just
so heartbroken and devastated. This man really lit up a room.
I didn't he wasn't my dance partner, but we did
do a trio and I did spend a lot of
time with him after the season when we went to
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New Orleans for his charity and his foundation, and this
man just gives back, and he was such a ball
of joy, and I'll never forget just I lost my
voice after that whole trip because I was just laughing
my ass off and we were having the best time.
He had such great friends around him, and you know
the bigger picture though, First of all, my heart goes
out to of course his family, and you know, his
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soul definitely will live on forever. Like, this is a
man whose whole energy was super contagious, and it's just
so like, it doesn't make me be able to have
closure when I hear that. And there's a pattern happening.
You know, I'm about to interview Brendon Davis, and his
brother also recently passed away, just like walking out of
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a sauna. There is something going on here with the
brain of a football player. And I don't necessarily have
enough stats to really talk about it, but obviously there's
damage happening because like, and somebody is you would think healthy,
and then all of a sudden just collapses and just
you know, their life ends without any real explanation. It
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makes me wonder if they have cte yes. It's it's
really I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me,
and I know the NFL they don't like to talk
about it for obvious reasons. But it's a concern.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It is if anyone wants to see an interesting movie
about that. Concussion with Will Smith really gets into the
whole discussion of CTE. It can only be diagnosed upon
death if you donate your brain to science. If if
and you know O. J. Simpson didn't, and I would
tell you, I'm going to make a I'm not a doctor, obviously,
but I'm going to guess if he likely had CTE.
(05:45):
There is a I believe it's Boston University. They have
an institute where they are studying and researching it, and
a lot of football players or their families have donated
brain's post mortems. You yeah, learn more about it, but
it's associated with a lot too, say violence, alcoholism, depression, mental.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's your mental health. So like when you're getting hit
in the head so many times, you know, most of
the time, no pay, no gain. They're athletes, like they're
not going to go to the doctor if they have
a headache or a migraine. Put it that way, like
it's they pushed through, you know, and maybe some of
the signs they ignore, which is completely normal for an
athlete who also doesn't want to be put in the sidelines.
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You know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's the consistent concussions which they see in rugby two
and soccer, cheerleading, there are other sports too, so you
have to be really careful with head injuries.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, totally for sure. Well, again, my heart goes out
to Jacoby Jones's family. I can't imagine he has a son,
you know, it's devastating. And you know, Shannon Doherty, she
really I don't know. I was a huge fan of hers.
She was always my favorite on nine on two and O.
We spent a little time together on Dancing with the
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Stars when she was on, but her she didn't last
too long. But like when we did spend time together
in the glam hair and makeup trailers, like we really
I've always thought she was such a badass, Like this
woman never changed who she was to fit into this
entertainment industry just to please others. Like maybe it may have,
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you know, not necessarily worked in her favor at times,
but she really came like she really never changed, And
I admire that about Shannon she.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Was always authentically Shannon, and you know that was completely misunderstood.
I think in the late nineties and early aughts. Of course,
we've reframed a lot of that narrative too, with strong
women and how they're reported on and how their actions
are interpreted. You know, we've done this with Paris Hilton,
and we've done this with Lindsay low Hands. And I
think that everyone in the end really appreciated how honestly
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and frankly and.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Raw, yeah, like just authentic and yeah, transparent. She was
like she did not give a shit to put it
that way, she wrote people. She really didn't care what
people thought of her. I mean, that's how she came across.
And then I saw and I can't find it right now,
but I did see a quick article or I was
reading it quickly in the New York Times. Basically the
(08:13):
headline was like, we should apologize to Shannon Dougherty for
you know, putting her in this like, oh, she's the
bad girl, and like when in actuality she's not, Like
she's just expressing who she is. And they said something
about like gen X and gen Z's like that's no
longer an issue, like being able to hold your own
and have your form your own opinion and not be
(08:35):
scared to voice it. Does not mean you're the bad
girl of this industry. Like we can't fox people or
judge them based on their characters that they play on television.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, And I think reframing the whole nine on two
one zero think people forget that this show was almost
on nine to ten months a year because they did
the summer episodes. These are young actors who were working
around the clock. There was a lot of pressure, there
was a lot of fame coming at them left and right,
and so they were blowing off a little scene back
in the clubs back in the day when that was
like a thing in la And I mean, you look
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at it now and you're like, they deserve to have
fun because they were working NonStop for Aaron Spelling.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Let's move on quickly to what Derek Cuff said about
Richard Simmons. I'll never forget actually when Derek Cuff, it
was his first season when he shot a package with Richard,
and though I never met Richard Simmons, but he told
me about it and he said how fun it was.
How Like I was like asking him like, is he
really the Richard Simmons or is he like dark and
like maybe a little bit you know, sad, because like
(09:33):
someone so happy and constantly on I always wonder, like
what are you like behind closed doors? But he's like, no,
he was hysterical. And I love that he was there
to give confidence to Jenny Garth right, like to try
and like get her I guess more comfortable with whatever
she was doing or whatever dance it was. But really
actually it gave Derek the confidence that he needed.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know, it's interesting to Richard. It has such a
huge history here in Los Angeles' studio was in Beverly Hills,
became Kim Johnson.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Kim Johnson. Yeah, well no longer, but she did rent
it from him.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, she took that over. And I think you know,
his Slimmins classes people went to for years. It didn't
matter your age, your size, everyone was accepted. Everyone who
walked through those doors was just embraced by Richard Simmons.
And he lives, you know, he lived a very full
life and a very beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, my heart goes out to everyone we just talked about. Okay,
so I hate talking about politics on the show, and
so do the listeners. But like, I can't ignore what
just happened with amber Rose, right, So we're going to
try and just get through this. But also it's a
little shocking for those of you that don't know what
I'm talking about. Amber Rose basically delivered a speech on
the first night of the twenty twenty four Republican National
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Convention in Milwaukee, telling the crowd that included Donald Trump
and his running mate jd Vance that she once believed
the former president was a racist. Amber said she didn't
always support the presumptive Republican nominee and blame them and
the left for what she called lies about Donald Trump,
namely that he was a racist. She recalled talking to
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her father, a Trump supporter, and credited him with opening
her eyes. I realized Donald Trump and his supporters don't
care if you're black, white, gay, or straight, she said,
previously referencing her own by racial family. It's all love,
and that's when it hit me. These are my people.
This is where I belong. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know? I've seen the backlash on social media and
it's pretty interesting because it's coming from both sides too.
That's what's really fascinating about watching this. You know, she
changed her beliefs. People are allowed to do that, of course,
but it was interesting seeing some of of course, you
know that there's going to be the backlash from the Democrats,
but then there's also backlash if you look on Twitter
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or x or whatever you want to call it, some
people who are criticizing her for she's someone who lives
her truth and her you know, she has been a
stripper at she has a loud voice in a good way. Yeah,
I mean she was known for her slow walks. I
mean when she was doing that, Oh I don't remember
this amazing, she was like embracing us. She had a SlutWalk,
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and that's the thing. But then she's showing up to
this party saying I've changed my mind. I'm one of you,
and people within that party are like, oh, no, you're not,
and oh that's not okay. That's not okay either, you know,
because she's obviously putting herself out there, and you want
if that's what her beliefs are and that's where she
wants to be, you would hope that they would embrace her.
(12:27):
And it feels like that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The Republican Party should be thanking her the fact that
she's doing this. Honestly, she has a huge platform, she
is biracial. This is only gonna do the Republican Party good.
I'm sorry, like if anything, you know, I'm I mean,
I don't know. I just think that with her coming
out and saying all of this and being vocal, and
(12:49):
I think, honestly this is only helping them, not hurting
them in general.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And we'll see how it plays out. Because the political
scene right now is crazy. It is a soap opera.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I have it mute, like literally when I when you know,
the attempted assassination, like I was watching it in real time,
like I was just I just always have seen it
on mute just because like I first of all, can't
listen to it because it's just my my blood pressure
goes up. I can feel it. But I want to
know what's going on in the world. But like it's
so crazy, like and it's only going to get crazier,
(13:20):
especially in the coming weeks and months. So I just
hope everyone just needs to act with love and not fear,
like that is just a very important regardless of what
side you choose, Like we need to all take a
deep breath and you know, just.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Breathe, like absolutely. I put my Twitter feedt I'm like,
I'm on Olympics Twitter, I am on Dancing with the
Stars Twitter and Emmy Twitter.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That is it's yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, speaking of Olympics.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Some on bios did you I know it just came
out today, but I had it. Like Netflix just reminded
me that Simone Biles docu series is out officially and
it's on Netflix. And she basically talks about getting through
the traumas and the downfalls in a clip from her
Netflix show, which is what the headline is. It's called
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Simone Biles Rising. I cannot wait to freaking watch this.
This is going to be so inspirational. Just reading this
article yesterday made me have chills all over my body. Basically,
she talks about Maya Angelou and how she was an
influence on her. She got a tattoo that basically represents
like what her story which is and still I Rise,
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I think and ice and still I Rise is perfect,
she said, because I always rise to the occasion, and
after all of the traumas and downfalls, I've always risen.
I mean, like she talks about the twisties, like that
time when she was you know, in Tokyo and the
backlash I'll never forget, like Pierce Morgan just attacked her
for just pulling out and putting her mental health first,
(14:59):
and basically she just talks about how she started from
scratch again, like when that happens to somebody, you really
have to start from basics and build yourself back up.
And now she's stronger than ever and she's just clapping
back at everybody right now, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Another one who is you know, authentically herself. I am
a Simone Bile super fan. Anyone who follows my social
media knows that I will be getting up at you know,
three in the morning to go watch her. Compute go
to Paris should be a lot easier, but that is.
You know, I'm someone who's follow gymnastics for years and
I follow even in between the Olympics and everything, and
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Simone's story is important. Mental health is important because they're
not just superheroes out there in the events. I mean,
I think we've heard it from Michael Phelps, We've heard
it from you know, people like Simone, and I think
that's an ongoing discussion, and an important one because what
she went through and you know, we're not even touching
upon the all the issues with sexual abuse in USA
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gymnastics too, and all of those survivors and using their
voice and changing the whole dynamics within USA Gymnastics has
been incredibly important for this squad and these teammates. It's
so different than what it was even five six years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What do you think since you follow so closely about
the ex gymnast who did that YouTube video?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh, Mikayla Skinner. Yes, yes, Mikayla Skinner. I will say
she has been controversial for a very long time and
that if you go all the way back to twenty sixteen,
she was an alternate for that particular team. Gabby Douglas
made the team, and some of Mikayla Skinner's fans, who
are very passionate, they took off, you know, Gabby Douglas's
(16:38):
face and inserted Mikayla Skinner saying that like so rude
it is, and you know it's a microaggression against a
black woman too, so and she she like retreated. That
happened twenty sixteen. Oh my god, So we go back,
there's there's a history of her kind of stepping into
things and her husband into twenty twenty one, when Simone
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stepped out, her husband was like, if you had put
her on the team, they wouldn't be in this position
to begin with, you know, because they didn't win gold,
they won silver.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So she's still active as a gymnast.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
She's no longer she has retired from gymnastics. She is
a mom. She probably her daughter's probably almost a year
somewhere in that vicinity.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And she's controversial.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's controversial, and she thinks before.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Because it's not coming from a good place, you think
like it's coming from is it coming from jealousy or
an envy?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I thinks sometimes it can come from envy. I think
also it comes from maybe a lack of self awareness
in terms of like where is your growth? Are you
paying attention to what's happening here in the space, Like
gymnastics has grown tremendously and they've had to make changes
behind the scenes. She could be just sad and hurting,
you know, yeah, she could be and to lash out
and say this team doesn't have a work ethic. First
of all, they're at the Olympics for God's sakes, it's
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a hard to move.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You just cared.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
We had three incredible gymnasts who fell to injuries ahead
of the trials, and guess what, we still have an
incredible team that is favored to win gold. We are stacked,
and Mikayla Skinner, you know, continually has.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
To put out. Then how about Simone's response, Simon, Simone
is great. Not everyone knows have a plot world We
covered it last week, but it is. She's just brilliant.
Like I like she is going to change I think
the world that we live in as far as like
women empowerment and like not being afraid, like the way
that she's been like holding her own about her husband
(18:27):
as well, like people have been attacking him, Like she's
just not holding back and good. You know what, I
do believe if you hold in your feelings, it's not
going to necessarily translate well into her performance. So she's
got to let it out, Like you gotta let it out.
You can't keep it in your body. You know, body
keeps the score.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So she's the goat. That's why we love her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Let's move on to Teresa Giddy g Basically, oh this
is ugly Okay, So Teresa and her brother had another
falling out. I know they do this a lot, but
I think this time it's like done done, same with
their show. I think, fortunately, Real Housewives of New Jersey
is done done and it's sad, Like it's just sad.
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And I know that she was just on Mark and Kelly.
They tried to like convince her to talk to her brother,
but like she wasn't having it, you know. I just
I was talking about this last night to a friend.
How you forgive for you, you don't forgive the act
of right because in your like you can feel it,
like when you have so much animosity towards somebody, it
(19:28):
doesn't necessarily do you any good, right, and that can
like continue into maybe serious, you know, future physical problems
that we don't know about as well. I truly believe that.
But I think there hopefully will be a time where
she can just make peace, maybe when this all dies down,
maybe when the show's off the air for a couple
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of seasons. Like if they really are going to do
a replacement cast, first of all, I think it just
needs a breather, Like, I don't think replacing everybody is
going to make the fans happy. Well they watch probab
you know, it's the same thing with vander Pump rules,
Like if they replaced everybody, like it's there's there's a
comfort in knowing that you know the characters already with
anything right, But like, I think it would be great.
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I think it's a good thing for their mental health
and hopefully they can pick up the pieces again with
their family.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, sometimes you just need healthy boundaries with family members.
It's not everyone's going to be able to work it out.
And if it's healthier to be a part than to
be together, so be it. I mean, I think this
show doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Like they obviously do this for the show, and they
make stuff up, and I think this has a lot
to do with why they're getting canceled, like honestly, because
it's like the stories are got out of control.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, I don't want to watch a bunch of women
screaming at each other all the time. To be honest,
I used to do all the Real Housewives and I
don't watch any of the franchises anymore because I just
find that it's just not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Is it because it's not authentic or it's not a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
People will manufacture every real life is to stay on, yes,
because you think I have to, like you know, the
pressures on for the drama, but the producer do that too.
They egg you on for sure, Like on Dance Moments.
They egged me on every time I was egged on
and Dance Moms is back.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I know, different person, not Abby, Yeah, Christy Chloe's mother
just got a DUI saw that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh yeah, I know Boye Hampton, who's the new like
Abby Lee Miller and she is lovely, So I'm really
I'm across. Yeah, I know her and her daughter can
where and I've been friends with them a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nice to the kids.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
She said to me, she said, I'm not Abby. She goes,
I do have moments of being stern, but she's like,
hopefully it feels like a refresh.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah. Well it's also maybe for the better, like for
the good of the kids, Like you're you're not trying
to attack them with stuff they can't change, yet you
are being sterned with what they can change, and hopefully
you be better in right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yes, And her daughter is a quarter ballet member at
Ballet West in Utah, and so she's been had a
successful professional career as well so wow.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, well this is a nice I mean we'll see,
I mean see if people love it or not. I
mean I'm sure they will cross. I'm sure they will.
Let's talk about Jana Kramer. I'm so happy for her.
She just got married. I think it's her second marriage,
maybe third marriage, but who's counting. Alan Russell seems to
be making her happy. She and I have become friends
over the years, especially you know, us both being single
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at one point and going through a not easy divorce,
like I would say, hers was like a lot worse,
but we bonded and she always has. Just I asked her,
I remember it was like three years ago if she'd
ever get married again. She was like, I don't know,
you know, like first let me just like I need
to find the person. If I can or not, we'll see.
(22:41):
But I love that they She's paying homage to where
Alan Russell is from, which is Scotland, and they got
married there. It was a small, little intimate wedding with
just thirty five people. Her kids were there. They were
thinking of maybe with Jesse looping without anyone, but then
she was like, I want my kids to see this.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, she's in course breeding her kids. Also, they're going
to be a blended family because this is their stepfather,
at least for two of them. I says, she had
a baby with him, and I think that that's important.
And you know, the big, huge wedding, I know is
for everyone. And I'm the person that literally went to
the courthouse in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh you did.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it was just the two of us in a judge.
That's it, and no witnesses.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And you're still married.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We were still married.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Let's talk about Jojo Siwa and congratulations to Janna of
course again, so okay, so Jojo rolling Stone. They really
nailed her, they did. They were not nice. Basically, here's
some of the highlights that I highlighted. Gone were her
signature hair bows and her blindingly colorful outfits. As she
teased in the lyrics of her reintroduction single Karma, she
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wanted to prove that she had evolved into a bad girl.
Of course, it wasn't exactly a smooth transition. The dance
bombs Am faced incessant backlash over allegedly co opting the
track from Miley Cyrus, which she denied. Then came the
accompanying music video where she emerged from the ocean like
a sea monster and dry humped another woman. It was
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less edgy and more in a broader sense of the
creative conceptually cringe. However, Seewa is struggling here. That may
be in part because of a few missteps she's had.
Leading up to the release of Guilty Pleasure. Seewa drew
criticism for saying that she'd invented gay pop ouch, a
comment she eventually walked back with Guilty Pleasure, she does
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not invent an entire genre. A lot of the music
lacks the exact authenticity Sewa seems to crave.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oooh, that's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
She's gonna say, at least they're talking about me. It's working.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, she doesn't care. I mean like I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Think she does care, Like I don't. I mean, this
is I mean, this is not just from an like,
this is not from e online, This is Rolling Stone.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah. At the same time, I think, you know, I
always think about like my early twenties and like just
trying to yourself and finding your identity and figuring out
who you are because you're not in this controlled environment
of being like seventeen eighteen when you have a schedule
and you go to school, and she needs.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
To watch her words, like she really does. Gay pop
has been around before the day before she was even born,
Like like will with fair come on? Like I don't
have a few gay friends, and they're really annoyed like
at her, Like honestly they don't. They find She's a
little bit like when you're just coming into this world, right,
and like you're trying to create a new community of people,
(25:31):
you have to respect the community that existed prior to
you being there, to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Honor those who came before you. I think also too,
It's just she's been so wild and crazy, you know,
as a as a kid in a teen personality that
you know, now trying to figure out like what that
looks like as an adult, you know, without the bows,
and like what that means for her. It feels strange
(25:55):
to all of us because I don't think she's comfortable
with herself yet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well her where are her reps?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well yeah, and they should be guiding her. And you
know her mom. I think her mom still manages it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, yeah, it's probably time to shift to other management.
But it's not just I mean, she has other team members.
She does, but you have to remember who probably rules
at the end of the day. And like, I look
at people and you know, we've seen this with Miley Cyrus.
Go even back further. You saw Brooke Shields where she
was stuck. Her mother was her manager, and she was
like stuck in this box. And until she actually fired
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her mother, that's when she was able to flourish.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You I hear, you, I hear and it's scary. And look,
she already basically told her mother to move out just recently,
but still it. You know, she's not gonna Yes, people
are talking about her, but this type of people that
are talking about her is short lived. This is not consistent.
This is not going to last forever. So she has
to make changes fast and really think about what she
says before she says it. You want the community that
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you're repping to support you, and I don't believe a
lot of people do at the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right I think she's got more critics than she has
supporters right now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But she's thinking, well, they're talking about me, and I
think that's like that is a different way of thinking.
Like when you were a kid, maybe that your mom
is maybe abby and still that in her, Like I
don't know that all press is not good press. You
really need to tread carefully. I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And we're also in an anti celeb culture where people
are not worshiping celebrities and we should have been worshiping
him the first time. But yeah, like now people are like,
I don't follow celebrities anymore. I just care about like
the random TikToker they want. They want real authentic people,
and we need real authentic Jojo to come through.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And on the other side, we also have to respect
that she's also growing up before our eyes, Like I
see both sides, but there's a way of doing it still,
where's she needs to kind of fly under the radar
until she's ready. Yeah, that's all. Anyway, Let's talk about
Jason Raz, the complete opposite person from Jojo, who basically
we were supposed to talk about this last week but
we never got to it. But he asked his friends
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not to vote for him, like if he really told
the executives that he wanted out, And I'm pretty sure
that that goes to the judge's ears, like it doesn't
just stay within the production side. Maybe that's why he
was always being told that he didn't look like he
was trying hard, which was such bs.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
He was working hard. But I love that he was
like I missed my.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Cat, I know, but he was serious though he was,
And I.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Think he peaked a little bit too early and then
you know, had a couple missteps later. Yeah, then kind
of felt a little defeated.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But there's no controlling the peaking too early, Like what
are you gonna tell your celebrity don't go full out?
Like right, No, But it's true because like I was
thinking of I say that a lot. By the way,
I say that too, like, oh, but I don't think
it's anyone's fault, right, like, because obviously we train them
as their best, like we just do what we can.
They can't control it like the pro Like we can
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control if we dance full out or not obviously, but like,
I don't know. It's so interesting. I was always upset
at the judges for this couple because they were underrated.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They were always underrated, and I think that this is
the thing, this is where the mental game, like and
one someone like Soci, who I think was seventeen at
the time when she won, it's so great to be
young because you're just like go and you just like
do and you're perform and you're excited to be there.
You don't have as many self doubts that you do
as an adult. And that's where in the end, like
for Jason, he needed to keep his mental game maybe
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a little bit stronger, and I think he would have.
He could have won.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
One hundred percent. And last week we brought this up again,
but I would like to pick your brain. I hate that.
So she never admitted to her injuries. It made her
so unattainable to me, and it was so odd, Like again,
I'm just watching it here in this room on my laptop,
and I know exactly what's happening, even if it's not
being voiced well.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And I think it does a disservice to people because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's not real, Like why what are you trying to hide? Well?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And also we had people like competing at the Olympics
with like broken bones, that this is what happens. This
is not healthy, This is not healthy.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Because and I don't know who it was, if it
was like her mom or someone that just did not
want to talk about it like it, I don't know.
I think in that sense, Jason I think was maybe
had more votes, but the score weren't even. So let's
talk about Pete and Max and their freaking little baby
Milan Maxim Schmerkovsky supposedly their last we shall see. Congratulations
(30:11):
to the couple. Yeah, all boys. I'm sure Pete is
like I don't even care if I have a girl
or whatever, doesn't matter at this point. Like she is
over it, like she's not wanting to get pregnant again.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I understand, and she was pretty much pregnant back to back.
You know, it's so, but what there's also cute like Max,
I'm kidding, do you think she will be back? She
has been someone who is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Past too soon, It's way too soon, but.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
She she's done it before. Now this is different because
now she I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Think it's healthy though, if I were going to talk
about it on a mental health and physical health like
they start in a month soon. What are you excited
for the upcoming season? Like what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Doing a lot of Olympics coverage, so it's friend Yeah, fun,
I interviewed some of the girls because we've got like
the breakers coming in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes, I've never seen that at the Olympics. Is it amazing?
I hear they're amazing. Apaulo told me they're amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So amazing. They are so amazing. And I interviewed this
one particular athlete logistics. Some of you may knowwhere because
she was part of season two of World of Dance.
She was with the Lab and they won the million
dollars and she's so talented, unbelievable. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That is fun. It's just I hope one day Ballroom
makes the Olympics. Well, thank you again, Kristin, it's so
great talking to you. Good to see you, Good to
see you. Bye. Thanks to my fantastic co host Kristin
Burt for being part of our weekly Headlines and Hot
Topics series. Don't forget to follow Kristin at the Kristen
Burt and the podcast at Sex Lives and spray Tans
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Until next time,
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with Me, Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to Sex
Lies and Spray Tans. Thrilled to welcome back our friend
Kristin Burt to the show. Kristin is a pop culture
guru on Ryan Reynolds and Brian folkweis series discontinued on
Fubo TV. She's a contributing editor for Penske Media Corporations.
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She knows a daily entertainment commentator on The Tom Bernard
Morning Show and a pop culture expert on TF one's
fifteen Minutes Inside in France. Before we welcome in Kristin,
I just wanted to take a minute to dedicate this
episode to my friend Jacoby Jones. He was very important
to me and I wanted to make sure to honor
him in my own special way. So with that, let's
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just get to the stories of the week with the
one and only Kristin Burt. Welcome back, Kristin. Good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm sorry that it's like such a sad, happy week
all mixed into one.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, you were saying you just got back from Chicago.
Would you like to tell us why?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, I was in Chico for a week working, but
I had the opportunity to go and see Val and
Jenna and Artam and Savor after Dark. Yes, Savor after Dark.
It's at the Broadway Playhouse in Chicago. It's a lovely
intimate theater and if you get the opportunity to go
see it, it's an incredible show. You really get a
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nice close up and personal look at them dancing, and
you get to see them, you know, really dancing full
out too, which we don't always get to see on
the show, which was incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Is it a full two hour show?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It is without intermission. It's about an hour and fifteen minutes,
so it's a perfect length to like go out and
grab dinner either before or after. And I know that
they do some VIP meet and greets after the.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Show, so that's awesome. Words for that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I think it's just a really fun opportunity to
see them. And I know later in the run it
is Danny and Pasha and Max cums in at a
certain point, So pick your favorite. Mixed to proove, Is this.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Like a continuation from their NAPA show?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It is? What's different? So for anyone who saw it
last year, it is done in kind of a nightclub
setting with like tables and chairs. This time it's in
a proscenium theater, but the theater is very small. There's
not a bad seat in the house. In fact, so
funny is it? My husband performed at that theater for
nine months. Oh, I love Lucy Live. So I was
(02:16):
telling Jenna, I'm like, I have lots of memories at
this theater. He was there about a decade ago. Yeah,
but it's a great house in Chicago is a fabulous town.
So lighting on maybe like a little late summer vacation,
go to Chicago. You'll have a blast.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Speaking of Jenna and val though, congratulations to them. They
just got Emmy nominated I think for the Is it
the first Emmy nomination that they've had for the Len
Goodman Tribute?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right and Goodman Tribute as well as Cheese Freestyle. Oh
really Yeah, so the nomination is kind of for a
body of works that they got nominated for both of those.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And as well as hair and makeup got nominated. Lighting
got nominated, and I believe it's designed and lighting. Yeah,
So you know what, I hope they because like I
remember the makeup artists we get so frustrated because SNL
would always beat them, and at the Emmys, it's like,
it's so hard to compare the two shows, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, it's unbelievable because they're both variety shows, but they're
so completely different. And yeah, competitive category for choreography. You've
got Mandy Moore in there for the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, congratulations to them again, it's well deserved. Okay, so
let's move on to horrible news that definitely I think
affected the industry, I would say over the weekend, especially
with Jacoby Jones, Shannon Doherty. I'm only naming obviously the
people that you know from Dancing with the Stars, since
this is what this podcast is, but I know Richard
Simmons as well, and a couple other people. First of all,
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Jacoby Jones, I mean he died in his sleep. I
guess he was only forty years old. It's first of all,
I'm just gonna talk about my feelings and I'm just
so heartbroken and devastated. This man really lit up a room.
I didn't he wasn't my dance partner, but we did
do a trio and I did spend a lot of
time with him after the season when we went to
(04:03):
New Orleans for his charity and his foundation, and this
man just gives back, and he was such a ball
of joy, and I'll never forget just I lost my
voice after that whole trip because I was just laughing
my ass off and we were having the best time.
He had such great friends around him, and you know
the bigger picture though, First of all, my heart goes
out to of course his family, and you know, his
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soul definitely will live on forever. Like, this is a
man whose whole energy was super contagious, and it's just
so like, it doesn't make me be able to have
closure when I hear that. And there's a pattern happening.
You know, I'm about to interview Brendon Davis, and his
brother also recently passed away, just like walking out of
(04:47):
a sauna. There is something going on here with the
brain of a football player. And I don't necessarily have
enough stats to really talk about it, but obviously there's
damage happening because like, and somebody is you would think healthy,
and then all of a sudden just collapses and just
you know, their life ends without any real explanation. It
(05:09):
makes me wonder if they have cte yes. It's it's
really I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me,
and I know the NFL they don't like to talk
about it for obvious reasons. But it's a concern.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It is if anyone wants to see an interesting movie
about that. Concussion with Will Smith really gets into the
whole discussion of CTE. It can only be diagnosed upon
death if you donate your brain to science. If if
and you know O. J. Simpson didn't, and I would
tell you, I'm going to make a I'm not a doctor, obviously,
but I'm going to guess if he likely had CTE.
(05:45):
There is a I believe it's Boston University. They have
an institute where they are studying and researching it, and
a lot of football players or their families have donated
brain's post mortems. You yeah, learn more about it, but
it's associated with a lot too, say violence, alcoholism, depression, mental.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's your mental health. So like when you're getting hit
in the head so many times, you know, most of
the time, no pay, no gain. They're athletes, like they're
not going to go to the doctor if they have
a headache or a migraine. Put it that way, like
it's they pushed through, you know, and maybe some of
the signs they ignore, which is completely normal for an
athlete who also doesn't want to be put in the sidelines.
(06:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's the consistent concussions which they see in rugby two
and soccer, cheerleading, there are other sports too, so you
have to be really careful with head injuries.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, totally for sure. Well, again, my heart goes out
to Jacoby Jones's family. I can't imagine he has a son,
you know, it's devastating. And you know, Shannon Doherty, she
really I don't know. I was a huge fan of hers.
She was always my favorite on nine on two and O.
We spent a little time together on Dancing with the
(06:57):
Stars when she was on, but her she didn't last
too long. But like when we did spend time together
in the glam hair and makeup trailers, like we really
I've always thought she was such a badass, Like this
woman never changed who she was to fit into this
entertainment industry just to please others. Like maybe it may have,
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you know, not necessarily worked in her favor at times,
but she really came like she really never changed, And
I admire that about Shannon she.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Was always authentically Shannon, and you know that was completely misunderstood.
I think in the late nineties and early aughts. Of course,
we've reframed a lot of that narrative too, with strong
women and how they're reported on and how their actions
are interpreted. You know, we've done this with Paris Hilton,
and we've done this with Lindsay low Hands. And I
think that everyone in the end really appreciated how honestly
(07:52):
and frankly and.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Raw, yeah, like just authentic and yeah, transparent. She was
like she did not give a shit to put it
that way, she wrote people. She really didn't care what
people thought of her. I mean, that's how she came across.
And then I saw and I can't find it right now,
but I did see a quick article or I was
reading it quickly in the New York Times. Basically the
(08:13):
headline was like, we should apologize to Shannon Dougherty for
you know, putting her in this like, oh, she's the
bad girl, and like when in actuality she's not, Like
she's just expressing who she is. And they said something
about like gen X and gen Z's like that's no
longer an issue, like being able to hold your own
and have your form your own opinion and not be
(08:35):
scared to voice it. Does not mean you're the bad
girl of this industry. Like we can't fox people or
judge them based on their characters that they play on television.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, And I think reframing the whole nine on two
one zero think people forget that this show was almost
on nine to ten months a year because they did
the summer episodes. These are young actors who were working
around the clock. There was a lot of pressure, there
was a lot of fame coming at them left and right,
and so they were blowing off a little scene back
in the clubs back in the day when that was
like a thing in la And I mean, you look
(09:06):
at it now and you're like, they deserve to have
fun because they were working NonStop for Aaron Spelling.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Let's move on quickly to what Derek Cuff said about
Richard Simmons. I'll never forget actually when Derek Cuff, it
was his first season when he shot a package with Richard,
and though I never met Richard Simmons, but he told
me about it and he said how fun it was.
How Like I was like asking him like, is he
really the Richard Simmons or is he like dark and
like maybe a little bit you know, sad, because like
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someone so happy and constantly on I always wonder, like
what are you like behind closed doors? But he's like, no,
he was hysterical. And I love that he was there
to give confidence to Jenny Garth right, like to try
and like get her I guess more comfortable with whatever
she was doing or whatever dance it was. But really
actually it gave Derek the confidence that he needed.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know, it's interesting to Richard. It has such a
huge history here in Los Angeles' studio was in Beverly Hills,
became Kim Johnson.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Kim Johnson. Yeah, well no longer, but she did rent
it from him.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, she took that over. And I think you know,
his Slimmins classes people went to for years. It didn't
matter your age, your size, everyone was accepted. Everyone who
walked through those doors was just embraced by Richard Simmons.
And he lives, you know, he lived a very full
life and a very beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, my heart goes out to everyone we just talked about. Okay,
so I hate talking about politics on the show, and
so do the listeners. But like, I can't ignore what
just happened with amber Rose, right, So we're going to
try and just get through this. But also it's a
little shocking for those of you that don't know what
I'm talking about. Amber Rose basically delivered a speech on
the first night of the twenty twenty four Republican National
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Convention in Milwaukee, telling the crowd that included Donald Trump
and his running mate jd Vance that she once believed
the former president was a racist. Amber said she didn't
always support the presumptive Republican nominee and blame them and
the left for what she called lies about Donald Trump,
namely that he was a racist. She recalled talking to
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her father, a Trump supporter, and credited him with opening
her eyes. I realized Donald Trump and his supporters don't
care if you're black, white, gay, or straight, she said,
previously referencing her own by racial family. It's all love,
and that's when it hit me. These are my people.
This is where I belong. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know? I've seen the backlash on social media and
it's pretty interesting because it's coming from both sides too.
That's what's really fascinating about watching this. You know, she
changed her beliefs. People are allowed to do that, of course,
but it was interesting seeing some of of course, you
know that there's going to be the backlash from the Democrats,
but then there's also backlash if you look on Twitter
(11:44):
or x or whatever you want to call it, some
people who are criticizing her for she's someone who lives
her truth and her you know, she has been a
stripper at she has a loud voice in a good way. Yeah,
I mean she was known for her slow walks. I
mean when she was doing that, Oh I don't remember
this amazing, she was like embracing us. She had a SlutWalk,
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and that's the thing. But then she's showing up to
this party saying I've changed my mind. I'm one of you,
and people within that party are like, oh, no, you're not,
and oh that's not okay. That's not okay either, you know,
because she's obviously putting herself out there, and you want
if that's what her beliefs are and that's where she
wants to be, you would hope that they would embrace her.
(12:27):
And it feels like that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The Republican Party should be thanking her the fact that
she's doing this. Honestly, she has a huge platform, she
is biracial. This is only gonna do the Republican Party good.
I'm sorry, like if anything, you know, I'm I mean,
I don't know. I just think that with her coming
out and saying all of this and being vocal, and
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I think, honestly this is only helping them, not hurting
them in general.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And we'll see how it plays out. Because the political
scene right now is crazy. It is a soap opera.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I have it mute, like literally when I when you know,
the attempted assassination, like I was watching it in real time,
like I was just I just always have seen it
on mute just because like I first of all, can't
listen to it because it's just my my blood pressure
goes up. I can feel it. But I want to
know what's going on in the world. But like it's
so crazy, like and it's only going to get crazier,
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especially in the coming weeks and months. So I just
hope everyone just needs to act with love and not fear,
like that is just a very important regardless of what
side you choose, Like we need to all take a
deep breath and you know, just.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Breathe, like absolutely. I put my Twitter feedt I'm like,
I'm on Olympics Twitter, I am on Dancing with the
Stars Twitter and Emmy Twitter.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That is it's yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, speaking of Olympics.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Some on bios did you I know it just came
out today, but I had it. Like Netflix just reminded
me that Simone Biles docu series is out officially and
it's on Netflix. And she basically talks about getting through
the traumas and the downfalls in a clip from her
Netflix show, which is what the headline is. It's called
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Simone Biles Rising. I cannot wait to freaking watch this.
This is going to be so inspirational. Just reading this
article yesterday made me have chills all over my body. Basically,
she talks about Maya Angelou and how she was an
influence on her. She got a tattoo that basically represents
like what her story which is and still I Rise,
(14:38):
I think and ice and still I Rise is perfect,
she said, because I always rise to the occasion, and
after all of the traumas and downfalls, I've always risen.
I mean, like she talks about the twisties, like that
time when she was you know, in Tokyo and the
backlash I'll never forget, like Pierce Morgan just attacked her
for just pulling out and putting her mental health first,
(14:59):
and basically she just talks about how she started from
scratch again, like when that happens to somebody, you really
have to start from basics and build yourself back up.
And now she's stronger than ever and she's just clapping
back at everybody right now, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Another one who is you know, authentically herself. I am
a Simone Bile super fan. Anyone who follows my social
media knows that I will be getting up at you know,
three in the morning to go watch her. Compute go
to Paris should be a lot easier, but that is.
You know, I'm someone who's follow gymnastics for years and
I follow even in between the Olympics and everything, and
(15:35):
Simone's story is important. Mental health is important because they're
not just superheroes out there in the events. I mean,
I think we've heard it from Michael Phelps, We've heard
it from you know, people like Simone, and I think
that's an ongoing discussion, and an important one because what
she went through and you know, we're not even touching
upon the all the issues with sexual abuse in USA
(15:56):
gymnastics too, and all of those survivors and using their
voice and changing the whole dynamics within USA Gymnastics has
been incredibly important for this squad and these teammates. It's
so different than what it was even five six years ago.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What do you think since you follow so closely about
the ex gymnast who did that YouTube video?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh, Mikayla Skinner. Yes, yes, Mikayla Skinner. I will say
she has been controversial for a very long time and
that if you go all the way back to twenty sixteen,
she was an alternate for that particular team. Gabby Douglas
made the team, and some of Mikayla Skinner's fans, who
are very passionate, they took off, you know, Gabby Douglas's
(16:38):
face and inserted Mikayla Skinner saying that like so rude
it is, and you know it's a microaggression against a
black woman too, so and she she like retreated. That
happened twenty sixteen. Oh my god, So we go back,
there's there's a history of her kind of stepping into
things and her husband into twenty twenty one, when Simone
(17:00):
stepped out, her husband was like, if you had put
her on the team, they wouldn't be in this position
to begin with, you know, because they didn't win gold,
they won silver.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So she's still active as a gymnast.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
She's no longer she has retired from gymnastics. She is
a mom. She probably her daughter's probably almost a year
somewhere in that vicinity.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And she's controversial.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's controversial, and she thinks before.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Because it's not coming from a good place, you think
like it's coming from is it coming from jealousy or
an envy?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I thinks sometimes it can come from envy. I think
also it comes from maybe a lack of self awareness
in terms of like where is your growth? Are you
paying attention to what's happening here in the space, Like
gymnastics has grown tremendously and they've had to make changes
behind the scenes. She could be just sad and hurting,
you know, yeah, she could be and to lash out
and say this team doesn't have a work ethic. First
of all, they're at the Olympics for God's sakes, it's
(17:51):
a hard to move.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You just cared.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
We had three incredible gymnasts who fell to injuries ahead
of the trials, and guess what, we still have an
incredible team that is favored to win gold. We are stacked,
and Mikayla Skinner, you know, continually has.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
To put out. Then how about Simone's response, Simon, Simone
is great. Not everyone knows have a plot world We
covered it last week, but it is. She's just brilliant.
Like I like she is going to change I think
the world that we live in as far as like
women empowerment and like not being afraid, like the way
that she's been like holding her own about her husband
(18:27):
as well, like people have been attacking him, Like she's
just not holding back and good. You know what, I
do believe if you hold in your feelings, it's not
going to necessarily translate well into her performance. So she's
got to let it out, Like you gotta let it out.
You can't keep it in your body. You know, body
keeps the score.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So she's the goat. That's why we love her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Let's move on to Teresa Giddy g Basically, oh this
is ugly Okay, So Teresa and her brother had another
falling out. I know they do this a lot, but
I think this time it's like done done, same with
their show. I think, fortunately, Real Housewives of New Jersey
is done done and it's sad, Like it's just sad.
(19:06):
And I know that she was just on Mark and Kelly.
They tried to like convince her to talk to her brother,
but like she wasn't having it, you know. I just
I was talking about this last night to a friend.
How you forgive for you, you don't forgive the act
of right because in your like you can feel it,
like when you have so much animosity towards somebody, it
(19:28):
doesn't necessarily do you any good, right, and that can
like continue into maybe serious, you know, future physical problems
that we don't know about as well. I truly believe that.
But I think there hopefully will be a time where
she can just make peace, maybe when this all dies down,
maybe when the show's off the air for a couple
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of seasons. Like if they really are going to do
a replacement cast, first of all, I think it just
needs a breather, Like, I don't think replacing everybody is
going to make the fans happy. Well they watch probab
you know, it's the same thing with vander Pump rules,
Like if they replaced everybody, like it's there's there's a
comfort in knowing that you know the characters already with
anything right, But like, I think it would be great.
(20:11):
I think it's a good thing for their mental health
and hopefully they can pick up the pieces again with
their family.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, sometimes you just need healthy boundaries with family members.
It's not everyone's going to be able to work it out.
And if it's healthier to be a part than to
be together, so be it. I mean, I think this
show doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Like they obviously do this for the show, and they
make stuff up, and I think this has a lot
to do with why they're getting canceled, like honestly, because
it's like the stories are got out of control.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, I don't want to watch a bunch of women
screaming at each other all the time. To be honest,
I used to do all the Real Housewives and I
don't watch any of the franchises anymore because I just
find that it's just not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Is it because it's not authentic or it's not a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
People will manufacture every real life is to stay on, yes,
because you think I have to, like you know, the
pressures on for the drama, but the producer do that too.
They egg you on for sure, Like on Dance Moments.
They egged me on every time I was egged on
and Dance Moms is back.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I know, different person, not Abby, Yeah, Christy Chloe's mother
just got a DUI saw that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh yeah, I know Boye Hampton, who's the new like
Abby Lee Miller and she is lovely, So I'm really
I'm across. Yeah, I know her and her daughter can
where and I've been friends with them a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nice to the kids.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
She said to me, she said, I'm not Abby. She goes,
I do have moments of being stern, but she's like,
hopefully it feels like a refresh.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah. Well it's also maybe for the better, like for
the good of the kids, Like you're you're not trying
to attack them with stuff they can't change, yet you
are being sterned with what they can change, and hopefully
you be better in right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yes, And her daughter is a quarter ballet member at
Ballet West in Utah, and so she's been had a
successful professional career as well so wow.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, well this is a nice I mean we'll see,
I mean see if people love it or not. I
mean I'm sure they will cross. I'm sure they will.
Let's talk about Jana Kramer. I'm so happy for her.
She just got married. I think it's her second marriage,
maybe third marriage, but who's counting. Alan Russell seems to
be making her happy. She and I have become friends
over the years, especially you know, us both being single
(22:21):
at one point and going through a not easy divorce,
like I would say, hers was like a lot worse,
but we bonded and she always has. Just I asked her,
I remember it was like three years ago if she'd
ever get married again. She was like, I don't know,
you know, like first let me just like I need
to find the person. If I can or not, we'll see.
(22:41):
But I love that they She's paying homage to where
Alan Russell is from, which is Scotland, and they got
married there. It was a small, little intimate wedding with
just thirty five people. Her kids were there. They were
thinking of maybe with Jesse looping without anyone, but then
she was like, I want my kids to see this.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, she's in course breeding her kids. Also, they're going
to be a blended family because this is their stepfather,
at least for two of them. I says, she had
a baby with him, and I think that that's important.
And you know, the big, huge wedding, I know is
for everyone. And I'm the person that literally went to
the courthouse in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh you did.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it was just the two of us in a judge.
That's it, and no witnesses.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And you're still married.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We were still married.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Let's talk about Jojo Siwa and congratulations to Janna of
course again, so okay, so Jojo rolling Stone. They really
nailed her, they did. They were not nice. Basically, here's
some of the highlights that I highlighted. Gone were her
signature hair bows and her blindingly colorful outfits. As she
teased in the lyrics of her reintroduction single Karma, she
(23:54):
wanted to prove that she had evolved into a bad girl.
Of course, it wasn't exactly a smooth transition. The dance
bombs Am faced incessant backlash over allegedly co opting the
track from Miley Cyrus, which she denied. Then came the
accompanying music video where she emerged from the ocean like
a sea monster and dry humped another woman. It was
(24:14):
less edgy and more in a broader sense of the
creative conceptually cringe. However, Seewa is struggling here. That may
be in part because of a few missteps she's had.
Leading up to the release of Guilty Pleasure. Seewa drew
criticism for saying that she'd invented gay pop ouch, a
comment she eventually walked back with Guilty Pleasure, she does
(24:35):
not invent an entire genre. A lot of the music
lacks the exact authenticity Sewa seems to crave.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oooh, that's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
She's gonna say, at least they're talking about me. It's working.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, she doesn't care. I mean like I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Think she does care, Like I don't. I mean, this
is I mean, this is not just from an like,
this is not from e online, This is Rolling Stone.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah. At the same time, I think, you know, I
always think about like my early twenties and like just
trying to yourself and finding your identity and figuring out
who you are because you're not in this controlled environment
of being like seventeen eighteen when you have a schedule
and you go to school, and she needs.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
To watch her words, like she really does. Gay pop
has been around before the day before she was even born,
Like like will with fair come on? Like I don't
have a few gay friends, and they're really annoyed like
at her, Like honestly they don't. They find She's a
little bit like when you're just coming into this world, right,
and like you're trying to create a new community of people,
(25:31):
you have to respect the community that existed prior to
you being there, to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Honor those who came before you. I think also too,
It's just she's been so wild and crazy, you know,
as a as a kid in a teen personality that
you know, now trying to figure out like what that
looks like as an adult, you know, without the bows,
and like what that means for her. It feels strange
(25:55):
to all of us because I don't think she's comfortable
with herself yet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well her where are her reps?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well yeah, and they should be guiding her. And you
know her mom. I think her mom still manages it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, yeah, it's probably time to shift to other management.
But it's not just I mean, she has other team members.
She does, but you have to remember who probably rules
at the end of the day. And like, I look
at people and you know, we've seen this with Miley Cyrus.
Go even back further. You saw Brooke Shields where she
was stuck. Her mother was her manager, and she was
like stuck in this box. And until she actually fired
(26:26):
her mother, that's when she was able to flourish.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You I hear, you, I hear and it's scary. And look,
she already basically told her mother to move out just recently,
but still it. You know, she's not gonna Yes, people
are talking about her, but this type of people that
are talking about her is short lived. This is not consistent.
This is not going to last forever. So she has
to make changes fast and really think about what she
says before she says it. You want the community that
(26:49):
you're repping to support you, and I don't believe a
lot of people do at the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right I think she's got more critics than she has
supporters right now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But she's thinking, well, they're talking about me, and I
think that's like that is a different way of thinking.
Like when you were a kid, maybe that your mom
is maybe abby and still that in her, Like I
don't know that all press is not good press. You
really need to tread carefully. I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And we're also in an anti celeb culture where people
are not worshiping celebrities and we should have been worshiping
him the first time. But yeah, like now people are like,
I don't follow celebrities anymore. I just care about like
the random TikToker they want. They want real authentic people,
and we need real authentic Jojo to come through.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And on the other side, we also have to respect
that she's also growing up before our eyes, Like I
see both sides, but there's a way of doing it still,
where's she needs to kind of fly under the radar
until she's ready. Yeah, that's all. Anyway, Let's talk about
Jason Raz, the complete opposite person from Jojo, who basically
we were supposed to talk about this last week but
we never got to it. But he asked his friends
(27:48):
not to vote for him, like if he really told
the executives that he wanted out, And I'm pretty sure
that that goes to the judge's ears, like it doesn't
just stay within the production side. Maybe that's why he
was always being told that he didn't look like he
was trying hard, which was such bs.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
He was working hard. But I love that he was
like I missed my.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Cat, I know, but he was serious though he was,
And I.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Think he peaked a little bit too early and then
you know, had a couple missteps later. Yeah, then kind
of felt a little defeated.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But there's no controlling the peaking too early, Like what
are you gonna tell your celebrity don't go full out?
Like right, No, But it's true because like I was
thinking of I say that a lot. By the way,
I say that too, like, oh, but I don't think
it's anyone's fault, right, like, because obviously we train them
as their best, like we just do what we can.
They can't control it like the pro Like we can
(28:40):
control if we dance full out or not obviously, but like,
I don't know. It's so interesting. I was always upset
at the judges for this couple because they were underrated.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They were always underrated, and I think that this is
the thing, this is where the mental game, like and
one someone like Soci, who I think was seventeen at
the time when she won, it's so great to be
young because you're just like go and you just like
do and you're perform and you're excited to be there.
You don't have as many self doubts that you do
as an adult. And that's where in the end, like
for Jason, he needed to keep his mental game maybe
(29:10):
a little bit stronger, and I think he would have.
He could have won.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
One hundred percent. And last week we brought this up again,
but I would like to pick your brain. I hate that.
So she never admitted to her injuries. It made her
so unattainable to me, and it was so odd, Like again,
I'm just watching it here in this room on my laptop,
and I know exactly what's happening, even if it's not
being voiced well.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And I think it does a disservice to people because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's not real, Like why what are you trying to hide? Well?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And also we had people like competing at the Olympics
with like broken bones, that this is what happens. This
is not healthy, This is not healthy.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Because and I don't know who it was, if it
was like her mom or someone that just did not
want to talk about it like it, I don't know.
I think in that sense, Jason I think was maybe
had more votes, but the score weren't even. So let's
talk about Pete and Max and their freaking little baby
Milan Maxim Schmerkovsky supposedly their last we shall see. Congratulations
(30:11):
to the couple. Yeah, all boys. I'm sure Pete is
like I don't even care if I have a girl
or whatever, doesn't matter at this point. Like she is
over it, like she's not wanting to get pregnant again.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I understand, and she was pretty much pregnant back to back.
You know, it's so, but what there's also cute like Max,
I'm kidding, do you think she will be back? She
has been someone who is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Past too soon, It's way too soon, but.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
She she's done it before. Now this is different because
now she I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Think it's healthy though, if I were going to talk
about it on a mental health and physical health like
they start in a month soon. What are you excited
for the upcoming season? Like what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Doing a lot of Olympics coverage, so it's friend Yeah, fun,
I interviewed some of the girls because we've got like
the breakers coming in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes, I've never seen that at the Olympics. Is it amazing?
I hear they're amazing. Apaulo told me they're amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So amazing. They are so amazing. And I interviewed this
one particular athlete logistics. Some of you may knowwhere because
she was part of season two of World of Dance.
She was with the Lab and they won the million
dollars and she's so talented, unbelievable. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That is fun. It's just I hope one day Ballroom
makes the Olympics. Well, thank you again, Kristin, it's so
great talking to you. Good to see you, Good to
see you. Bye. Thanks to my fantastic co host Kristin
Burt for being part of our weekly Headlines and Hot
Topics series. Don't forget to follow Kristin at the Kristen
Burt and the podcast at Sex Lives and spray Tans
on Instagram, threads, and TikTok. We have new and thrilling
(31:46):
interviews coming your way every single Monday, delving into the
world of dwts. This Monday, I'll be sitting down with
Cameron Matheson, so make sure to look out for that.
Until next time,
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