Juan Pablo Di Pace

They were the highest-scoring couple on season 27 of DWTS, the front runners to win the Mirrorball Trophy, but a shocking elimination left them empty-handed, and the judges and fans outraged!

Cheryl's former celebrity dance partner, Juan Pablo Di Pace, is on the pod to dish about his time on the show, including the secret rehearsals, the moment he almost wanted to quit, a fascinating breakdown of the stages of love to hate they both experienced every week and his honest thoughts about their early elimination!

Plus, Juan Pablo opens up about the journey to making his new feature film, "Duino," and why he is so proud of it, and he answers fan questions, including whether he's single or not!

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex, Lies and spray Tands with Me Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio Podcast. Welcome back to your favorite podcast.
Our guest today is a multi talented performer whose career
spans across stage, screen, and music. He's captivated audiences with
his roles on hit TV shows such as Netflix's Emmy
nominated Fuller House and Jesus Christ on NBC's eighty The

(00:24):
Bible Continues. Not only is he an accomplished actor, but
he's also made a significant mark as a singer, releasing
music that showcases his incredible vocal range. On the dance floor,
he dazzled viewers with his impressive moves and passion for
the craft. Despite delivering some of the most memorable routines
on Dancing with the Stars, he faced one of the

(00:45):
most controversial eliminations in the show's history, missing the finals,
a moment that fans and myself still talk about today.
I am so excited to have another one of my
celebrity dance partners on the show with us. Everyone, Please
welcome Juan Pablo de Pace to the podcast. My goodness,
you literally look exactly the same, even though it hasn't

(01:07):
I guess been that long.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Right on, Pablo, Well, I would say like a few years, A.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Few years, like four, well from the show, more like six.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Six or seven, Okay, so a little bit more than
a few years. It feels like yesterday, though seriously, I
think it's maybe because I'm doing a podcast about Dancing
with the Stars. But welcome to sex Life and Sprayed Hands.
I've been following your journey again. I can't wait to
talk to you. There's so much and I'm so proud
of you for so many different reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm proud of you. I mean, I'm following your journey
and going from you know, incredible pro and dancing with the
stars to this almost like journalistic incredible person that you've become.
And I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I love it, Thank you so much, thank you. And
you know, watching our dances just like I still get
chills to this day. But before we even get to
Dancing with the Stars, I like to start out by
asking my guests, who are you behind the fame.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't even think of fame because I don't I
don't consider myself famous. I wouldn't know how to answer.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But you are, on, Pablo, Let's just be real.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I mean, I'm I'm basically, I have a hole in
my teeth.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's why I am and I have. You know, I'm
a very normal homebody. I'm a homebody. I love being
my myself. I was I was actually listening to something
that you said online. I hate small talk just like you.
I don't. I'm not a person with lots and lots
of friends. I like one in one time. So yeah,

(02:55):
I'll private. And I spend a lot of time on
my own writing and reading. So yeah, that's the person.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You're creative, very creative.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, and what do you think people's biggest misconceptions are
about you?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't ready know. I don't really ponder on thinking
of what people think about me. Yeah, I don't know.
What do they think? Let them think? I mean, we
all have masks, right and so, and in our job
as well, it is even more evident because we present
a persona and we and people think they know you

(03:32):
because you've done this thing and they saw you on
TV and they listened to your podcast and so yeah,
it's it's I don't know what masks they choose to
to look at, but that's.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Just a mask exactly. Take us back to my favorite country, Argentina.
I love it there so much. Yeah, what was your
first memory as a kid.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
My first memory as a kid, actually, I think it is,
uh being given a pen and paper by my mother. Yeah,
the first memory I have is literally drawing, and I
just continued doing that for years and years and years.

(04:19):
So uh, yeah, that goes back to the to the
to being a bit of a loaner, as I really
enjoyed my time like with just paper and making you know,
characters and drawing, and it's kind of a good drawer.
Thank you. Oh yeah, we did, we did. We designed that.
You're a You're a great designer.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm definitely not a good drawer.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
You're a great designer. You have already ideas well.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Between me and you, we can take over the world
with all of our ideas. I swear to God, we
could just design the Hall of.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
We could help, We could help exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
What were the dynamics like with you and your family dynamics? Yes,
when you were growing up. I like to take us
back to little one.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Okay, I have three siblings, so it's two boys, two girls.
Number three. Dad immigrant from Italy, arrived in Argentina as
a kid. My mom Argentinian. But yeah, sort of they're
they're from two different backgrounds, so they were kind of
rebels getting together. Uh and kind of like a Rome

(05:29):
and Juliet situation. You know. So we grew up pretty
much in a cocoon in Buenos Aires, and uh, yeah,
you know, a lot of drama, a lot of a
lot of drama, a lot of well, you know, generational trauma.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh, trauma, not drama, trauma, both drama. Yeah, I guess
with trauma comes drama.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Every I guess every family has it. But you know,
being kind of half Italian, a little bit Spanish Argentinian,
that is sort of enhanced much more, I guess. And yeah,
you know, I had a Did I have a happy childhood?
I don't know. It wasn't. I wasn't. I don't think

(06:18):
I was a happy child, but I was happy on
my own. It was like bombs going off around me,
and so I kind of found the place where I
could be happy. So I don't you know, I wouldn't
change a thing, that's for sure, but I can see how. Yeah,

(06:38):
there was just a lot going on, arguments, other family
members getting in the way, you know, that.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Kind which is completely normal. I mean for those that
you know it's hard to voice sometimes for people. But
you know, without that, what dynamics do you have as
a family?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know? And I think it it shapes you.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
As as who you are as an adult, but also
maybe something that you may not want to live.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
By, you know, the teachers at least.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, right, Like it's it's kind of like, well, wait,
I don't I don't want to be that.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, but isn't that Isn't that what evolution is? Though?
Absolutely learn from our sort of predecessors in a way,
and we are like this, I like this not so
much so I agree with you. I think you know
that that definitely makes me even question.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
The ideas of marriage and and you know, dynamics and couples.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And I think we are definitely, you know, sort of
living something that was created thousands and years ago, and
we're this same structure, yes, and it was done for
very specific reasons, for land, for continuing the name, for

(08:01):
you know, economic reasons, and we're now still stuck in
a sort of system. And I think we're all seeing
how all these systems, economic, religious relationship, they're all kind
of crumbling right now.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's good to question everything, doubt everything.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, just overthink everything and just overthink everything, which I'm
very good at doing. Don't don't get it twisted you
when I guess. So when you were in school, right
you were, I saw, I've I've done lots of research,
which I wish I would have done before we met.

(08:44):
I was in a different No, I did have. I
just it wasn't I guess, I mean not just to
be transparent. Probably wasn't a.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Priority I had.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Was engaged, and it was like all these things, you know.
And but I heard you say that you felt like
you weren't good enough when you were in school. That
was when like the bullying in a way started for you.
Can you say more about that experience?

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, I mean, uh yeah, I had a very like
I said, you know, it wasn't a happy child because
I felt like at school there was a lot there's
a lot of abuse, and I was very sensitive as
a kid, so you know, I liked things that were
not normal. I didn't like playing football, I didn't like,

(09:35):
you know, doing all of that stuff. I liked drawing
and and so yeah, there was a lot. There was
a lot of that. But like I say, that kind
of thing which which I could have turned into a
sort of victim because there was aggression, there was you know, violin,

(10:00):
and I was very lucky that my little sort of
five year old brain chose not to sort of take
that on board. Mm and kind of yeah, sort of
look for refuge in art and in you know, films,

(10:25):
And I remember I was, you know, very early on.
I used to stay up at night watching films and
drawing and having this imaginary I mean that I was
that kid who had imaginary friends and not many physical friends.
So so that kind of saved me. I think art
saved me. I mean later on life that became photography,

(10:45):
and after photography it was dance and music. And so
I have to say that, as corny as it sounds,
art really saved my life.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It's not corny at all. I have the same story
with dance. One hundred percent saved my life in so
many ways. And it's just another way of communication. You know,
not all communication is done by the English language or
any language out of your mouth, to be quite honest,
you can communicate with art as well, whatever that means

(11:19):
to you. So I think that makes so much sense.
You said that your addiction and poison of choice. I
guess was adrenaline. And I think as you grew up,
obviously when you did your first performance, you said an

(11:41):
applause is what gave you that adrenaline rush, which.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I can totally relate to. Can you also say more
about that?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, the adrenaline came when I was I was some
teen and I was given well, I wasn't given a chance. Actually,
I had moved away from Argentina because because I had
found this incredible opportunity to pretty much start again at
seventeen with a scholarship. So I moved to in Italy
because I want the scholarship to finish high school in

(12:12):
a place called the United World College. Hold on to
that because that's actually what my movie, where I shot
my movie, and what my movie is about.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That will top But we will definitely talk about that later.
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
But that school, which is this crazy place that gives
opportunities to all kinds of kids underprivileged, is actually mostly
scholarship based. So you do a selection in your country
and then if you pass, they send you there and
they pay for everything. And so it was I was

(12:47):
desperate to leave. I didn't like my life, so I applied.
I got the scholarship, and that was the beginning of
a completely different chapter. And in that place I blossom
like that sort of person that I was as a
in Argentina. I was given kind of like a black
state to start again in this Italian international place with

(13:08):
people from all over the world, and they're all weird,
they're all you know, they're all like me, because there
are people that had interested just mathematics or just in
you know, music or whatever, and mind was was sort
of loosely about art and whatever, and so yeah, there
was a chance. I realized, well, this college doesn't have

(13:30):
a theater department. So I went to the headmaster and said,
I think we should do a musical. And I was
expecting a know, and the head master said, okay, but
you're in charge, and you choose the show and you
cast it and you do everything. So it was his
Thanks to him, Actually, i'm today this kind of director

(13:53):
person that I turned into because I realized very early
on at seventeen that given the chance would be this
control freak megalomaniac, I could do it. And so that's
what I did. I got a little budget, and yeah,
I ended up directing it. I was I was starring
in it. It was Greece the Musicals, So I.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Played just that small thing.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, so I was Danny Zukua. I directed it and
we choreographed it like I designed the sets, I cast
the people. So it was this I don't know, that
to me felt natural. After the fact, when I talked
to other people, I was like, oh, no, that wasn't natural.
That was really.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
No. I don't think it's natural to do all of that.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
But anyway, being on stage for the first time for
Greece in front of an audience playing a character was
very magical and yeah, it was incredible. It was like
a drug.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Tell me about that. So because I think it's something
that I definitely can relate to.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
What was it like? It was like literally someone just
sends electric waves of shock through your body because you
are at the same time terrified, it's excited, and it's
almost like they give you this kind of extra you know,
I don't know, Yeah, that electrical charge.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It gives you that extra yea to your ego.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
It's ego, but it's also like the airth feels thicker, right,
and everybody slows down and all of a sudden you're
being watched. But you have a task. It's not like
you're being watched because whatever you have nothing to say,
or do you actually do have something to say. It's
like when you when you put together a whole dance.

(15:36):
You know, you literally breathed, slept, and ate that dance,
and we would spend hours and hours and hours and hours.
But and so you prepared so much that then when
it's time for that live show in front of millions
of people, you know what you're doing and time slows down.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Would you say that for the first time, when you
were standing on that stage, you felt like you knew
your purpose for life pretty much? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, because before that, I thought I was going to
go into animation.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I thought I was going to be because you did
some porn cartoon work.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Correct, you know so much about me? I think I
know it yourself.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
You're gonna have to explain it.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
You said the word born, and everyone's gone.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
What.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
How the heck? I know we're going a little out
of order here, but please say more.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Okay, okay. So part of that thing that you were
just talking about, that rush of you know, not excitement,
but I guess belonging, wanting long was the fact that
because I realized I had this talent to draw, and
because I was being bullied, and because I was obsessed
with the human form, and you know, I was a

(16:55):
fan of like all these painters from the Renaissance and whatever,
I used to draw a lot of naked people all
the time, night and day. That was my go to.
I would draw naked people, love it all day long.
And so I brought that to school and when my
you know, the other kids saw that I was drawing
naked people, I mean we're talking. I was eleven, twelve
years old, so it was the beginning, like like that age.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right whenever, pretty like starting to be coming into a manic.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I got it, young man.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So I realized, Oh, and because I was obsessed with animation,
I used to grab these like like paths like.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
This, right, like post its, yeah, post it like this, and.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So I would I would animate born.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah yeah, so it'd be like right, well, yeah, I
can only imagine.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
So I took that to school, and all of a sudden,
you know, all these kids, which by the way, at
that point, there's no Internet, so they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Access no hence the post its.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Hence the post it. They started buying my porn. Post.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So I became like this sort of you know, yeah,
cellar of porn.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I cannot. I love it.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
So you're like the original, like forget Playboy, like forget Hustler,
you were the original.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Like you did this by hand. This was like how
long did it take you?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Hours?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
For sure? I'm surprised it wasn't days.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Or months, and you know you have to try and
then they have to move and.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
The thing go, oh yeah, no, I know. Do you
have any on you or do you have any left? Yes? Please?
I would love to. I would love it.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Because, like I, you need to put this on your Instagram.
If I were your Instagram manager, this is what I
would make you do.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
No way, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
This is such a great backstory one because I know
it's funny, but like this is because this is how
you started to become who you are, and that at
that time was through art and naked people. And that's art,
by the way, Like our bodies are a piece of
art and very complex and we have yet to figure
it all out right just a just our brains alone.

(19:01):
But what message do you have for parents or even kids?
I'm assuming more parents listen to this podcast of their
kids being bullied to.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Talk about born Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I would hope so. And if you are a kid,
don't listen to us.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
What your advice is for anyone who's dealing with bullying
in general, because it can happen to adults at our
age now through social media.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
My advice is to not succumb to feeling like a
victim because the moment that you feel, I mean, of course,
people can hurt you, and it is a real thing
and it's awful when it happens, and there's you don't
know how to feel, and you feel inadequate or less

(19:48):
than or whatever. But I think it is important to
feel that no matter what people do to you, it
is not about you, it's about them. And I think
it is a slippery slope when you start feeling like
you are the victim of because that takes the power
away from you. So whatever's happening to you, wherever's the bully, whatever,

(20:13):
just think they probably have a crappy home, they probably
had something happen with them, and this is not about me.
That's what I would say.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That's good advice.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I just want to say I'm so proud of you
on Pablo because especially because I feel like, you know,
you did your ted X talk. I watched it twelve times,
and I am not going to speak for you, but
I just want to know from you what the process

(20:55):
was like for you to first of all accept the
invitation to then really come up with careful choices of
words that you used. I know your brain a little bit.
So I was like, okay, so this was it was rehearsed,
yet it was very intimate and vulnerable and from the heart.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And then I want to know seconds before walking onto
that stage like that must that's not easy, and please
tell my listeners what the hell I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, okay. So in twenty nineteen, so we had finished
Dancing the Stars October or November eighteenth November?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh was it eighteen? Okay, got it.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And so then I went into this kind of a
lot of things happened, lots of stuff happened. I kind
of I was supposed to do the tour, and I
did one performance of the tour truly, which was the
What's the Big place in New.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
York It's Radio City Music.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
So that was my first performance, and we rehearsed everything,
and I was going to do these four numbers, blah
blah blah. I was going to sing a song blah
blah blah. And then what happened is that I went
back to LA I was recording a song for something else,
and I immediately felt this awful pain in my stomach.

(22:18):
I felt like it was tearing, like my insights would tear.
And I went to the er and they're like, you
don't have anything. And I did tons of tests and
I couldn't. I felt like I couldn't walk because I
couldn't help myself up anyway. It turns out that I
had to stay in bed, that I could not do
the tour, and I didn't know what I had.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Wasn't an ulcer or.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
No, I tried everything. What it was it was a
diastasis recti, which is something that pregnant women and athletes get.
The middle of your stomach, the lining the thing, the
linear alba separates and it doesn't come back right. So
so literally your organs could anyway awful?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
How did that happen? It was to get.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
There, yeah, I was to do It was to do
with the show. It was to do with the show,
and that I didn't look after myself properly. But anyway,
I'm you know, I'm not going on tour. I'm in
my bed. And then I get this invitation from the
United World College, the same place that I told you
about in Mastrict right, saying that they would like to

(23:27):
invite me to for a TED talk. And I'm so depressed,
and I'm you know, I'm asking myself all the questions
of what am I doing with my life, like well,
you know, I'm I'm I just came off the show,
which was incredibly emotional, very emotional, and we'll get there.
But I get this invitation from, yeah, the United World

(23:49):
College and they're like, we have a TEDx talk and
it's going to be in the theater in April, and
we would love you because you're a next student. And
I'm like, yeah, well, what do you want to say?
What do you want to talk about? And they're like, oh,
you must have so much to talk about to talk about,
you know, your experience and anything that you say could

(24:09):
be good. So of course, at the beginning, I was
like feeling very vulnerable for all the other reasons, but
also because it was something as it was a request
that came from teenagers, I felt like it couldn't let
them down because because they really wanted me to talk,

(24:30):
and I had no idea what I wanted to say.
And so of course, you know, there's some guidelines that
you go through when you do a TED talk. There's
like a beginning, middle, and and there's a you know,
something personal and it's like a fifteen minute thing, right,
so you have to time it. It's very specific. And
so I started just jotting things down on paper and

(24:51):
and then it just came to you know, I was
reading this beautiful book at the time called The Agreements
by Don miell Reis who I have since met and
we're friends, and and you know, in his book, he
talks a lot about the story that we tell, right,

(25:14):
and how the story is rehearsed and and that story
becomes us rather than us telling the story in the
positive and in the negative. And so I was trying
to kind of I like that concept. So I came
up with this TED talk, which was pretty much about
like why I became an artist and how that relates
to the story. So so so yeah, it was it

(25:38):
was a very introspective time because I was like in bed,
I was, you know, I couldn't do anything, and I
was writing this very personal thing, and I felt very exposed,
and you know, I talked about it with my friend
and I had to go to therapy about it because
I'm like, I'm really nervous about doing this thing. It's
the most exposed thing I've ever done in my life, right,
and yeah, so walking on stage it was I had

(26:01):
to call I had to call by therapist before I
walked on stage. I said, I don't want to do this.
I don't want to, you know, and she's like, You're fine,
it's gonna be amazing. It was very nerve wracking, but
like like with Greece and like with Dancing with Stars,
when I walked on that stage, some weird you know
force comes over you and you're like, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That flow state like worth, the state of consciousness. Yeah,
you have like the outer body, some.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Warrior sort of thing, and you're like, I'm going to
do this and I have to do this. And it
was it was like it was a before and after
for me doing that Ted talk because it was the
first time that I was actually talking from a very
you know, non character very personal, open hearted the thing,
and I was talking about things that really mattered to me.

(26:53):
Like you know how sor something that can be so
negative or life like bullying can actually unlock the artists
that you are. And so it's kind of true, you know,
if you allow it to transform you, all those negative
things can actually bring you the really positive things. The

(27:14):
calling calling, if you like so. So, yeah, that's what
it all amounted to.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I have never seen you so authentic before. And I
mind you okay, if you really strip it down. We
didn't know each other that long, however, it was we
knew each other for the time we were together, but
it was seven days a week, right, So it's like
it was it was head first, like we're going in,
we're diving in. And so when I saw you do
this ted talk, I was like, you know what, I'm

(27:43):
so happy you did it the way you did it,
and by the way, it meant more than just a
ted talk because you were within a group of people
who I don't know if they've known you from when
you went to school or like they you know, it
was being asked of you to be exposed and of
and to be as transparent and vulnerable to see the
real you. And I think that was a perfect setting.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I agree, and thank you for saying that it's a
bit you know, just being on a being on a
competition show like that one, but also having to put
some of you in it because people have to vote,
and there's like the persona that you choose to put
out into the world, and like there's all that aspect

(28:27):
as well, And I just didn't feel it was the
right place.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That's what you had said, yes.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Like that, because it wouldn't it would have it wouldn't
have been the way that I wanted it to be.
And when I had fifteen minutes that I could really
sort of design and think about and put together in
my own words, so I wasn't going to be edited
out by some producer or whatever, I felt that that

(28:57):
was the best way for me to And you know,
I I I mean, I know that the world thinks, oh,
this is a coming out thing. It was. It wasn't
really I just say I just wanted to say, oh,
by the way, by the way, I'm gay anyway, and
and and and move on, because it wasn't really a
talk about that. It was a talking sure artist. But

(29:17):
of course because no one had heard me say it publicly,
then it became like like like like a coming out thing.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
But but it was. But it wasn't so much that
I don't believe it was the authenticity. The authenticity is
h it was so powerful, that's all.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Thank you man. And it's just one one other thing
like like it it's not on earth shattering. It wasn't
earth shattering. Nothing changed. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
But for you, you didn't feel like a load.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Of I felt, you know what. I felt that in
a situation like for example, with you and I, when
you are meeting someone in a professional way and you're
getting to work with them and you're getting to spend time,
it was I I was kind of wanting that to

(30:11):
be completely open. I was tired of not talking about
something personal to people that I work with. Having said that,
all my family, all my friends, like they've all known,
I've always got gone clubbing and you know, sure and
to buy I never hid in my personal life, but
at work I always felt like I was just kind

(30:34):
of like not allowing people. And because because of that,
so so yeah, that aspect, I did feel like, oh,
you know what, not just whatever, it's important.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Right right? But yeah, but yes, but yet it is
so important.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
It is important. It is important, very important. I mean
it's important just to be you know, authentic, regardless of
what it is. Yeah, that's the most important to be coherent,
you know. That's the thing if.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
You can absolutely because so many people can relate to you,
you know, and it makes you so attainable and it
makes you so it's just refreshing, like oh you're human,
Like we all go through it. And again, some people
may never even think about authenticity and that's okay, no judgment,
but like.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think it only in a way, it only just
keeps you ground it and it just makes you feel
like for me, it makes me feel like I'm not
alone whenever I talk about anything that is so uncomfortable,
which I try to do on a daily basis, whether
that's to my therapist or to myself or to my
phone when I record random things and post it, because

(31:46):
like it does take a little shame away as well.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah yeah, okay, how in the hell did you get
asked to do Dancing with the Stars?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Okay, So I watched Jody Sweeten years before I was
on Fullerhouse, and I remember, oh, like looking at this ball,
like this massive ball.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
And you know, this place and these people and the
audience and the collaps and you know we are like
actors are whores for laughter, right, so I mean, sorry horse, for.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Applause anything anything, which is yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Performers not actors. It's any performers a horror. But no,
it was just so cool to see how the machine worked.
I loved the machine. Actually, I have to be honest,
I had never watched the show, so I wasn't familiar
with any of the players in the show where what

(33:01):
the show was like. But being on the set, I
was like, oh, this is so exciting, so exciting, and
so that planted the seed, and I think I might
have mentioned it to to to my manager, and then
it came back to me saying, oh, by the way, yeah,
they want to they want to have you in and

(33:22):
and I just didn't really think twice I kind of
said yes without thinking.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I didn't think of saying yes, no.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
No.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't regret it at all.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I do not.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
But I wish I had known more and I had
more and I had familiarized myself like you were saying today,
you know, you just wish you had born because it
was just so much like I remember when I first
met you. You were just like, okay, so have you
thought about and you just gave me this list of

(33:54):
things you know, I have never about. It's so then
it became kind of like, I mean, let's be honest, Yes,
the dancing was the most important thing, and we're out
Cherish forever, but there is so much outside of the
dancing Apart from the dancing, right, there is in a

(34:16):
way it's even more important.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Absolutely, and we're going to get So what do you believe? Okay,
so wait, first of all, who interviewed you or who
who did you meet with? Because I want to know
what exactly was said to you as far as what
they what the schedule was like, what they expected from you,
as far as how many days and hours a day.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, all of that came came into the picture. But
because I was on break, so I was lucky that
I didn't have another thing to be doing while we
were doing the show. Yeah, it was completely free for you,
like you could do whatever you wanted with me.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh don't you say that to me.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
That's what happened. You literally did everything you wanted.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I mean I had you twenty four hours a day, and.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
So we weren't mad, which we literally were marriage.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yes, for that time about the sex. Let's be clear.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
About the sex. It was literally all the arguments and
the love and.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Oh my god, everything absolutely.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So no I I you know, the show had me
for twenty four seven and but but yeah, it was
just a lot of the extra stuff, not the rehearsal stuff,
not the dance stuff. It was the the interviews and
the story and the press and like thinking what I

(35:33):
want to say when I get the microphone in my face,
which is the most terrifying thing. I was the most
terrified when I had a talk in front of the camera,
I think.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
On live show day or both, especially those master interviews.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, like you know, because because it's
not natural, none of this, it's it's there always. There's
always an agenda, right, there's always a theme and so
and and then you have the agenda of you, like
the character that you are in this cast of characters.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Correct, it's the ensemble.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So it's an ensemble. So it's yes, the theme of
the show this week is blah blah blah whatever Queen
or you know, Greece or whatever it is. And and
so then aside from the theme is like okay, the
theme is also like let's talk about, you know, a
really important thing that happened in your life, and you happen.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Very memorable, most memorable.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, And so then it becomes this kind of Okay,
let me, let me, let me excavate my own life
to tell you something that you will find useful to
sell in the show, and then to push my character
into people, and then to perhaps be interesting enough that
it can get us votes. You know, it's just the

(36:53):
whole array of things that when you sign up for
it you have no idea about at least.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
And by the way, even if you ask people, they
wouldn't have even been able to say, like when you
say that, I wish I would have done a little
bit more thinking.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
It is so hard.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think if any new celebrities who haven't done the
show yet, meaning like in a couple of weeks, are
listening to this, I could say all day long that
the psychology behind the show is so much more than
the dance. However, until you are doing it, you just don't.
It's hard to comprehend unless you've done like Survivor, or
like unless you've done like Big Brother, something that's very

(37:32):
all consuming special forces like it's a different vibe though however,
it is all consuming.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, there's no other way. I mean I
kind of would have loved to not, you know, give
my twenty four to seven. I knew that some people
that had other things to do, they were treating it
as a oh yeah, I'm coming in, I'm rehearsing and
I'm dancing, and that kind of kind of washed over them.
But I was very much in this kind of dancing

(38:00):
with the stars world and the psychology behind it. We
talked a lot, you and I about the psychology behind it.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And what do you believe it is? For my listeners,
what do.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I believe the psychology behind dancing is. I mean, at
the end of the day, is a TV show. The
end of the day, it's you know, what is the
most exciting to show or sometimes the most dramatic. So
you're just a part of a big puzzle for me.

(38:31):
I guess I was probably a bit naive walking into it,
even though I didn't do bad, but I did think
I have a real chance here because for those listening,
I do have to be very honest with you. I've
been a dancer since I'm sixteen years old, So I

(38:52):
went in there with a lot.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Of beater and I told this to the cheater.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I said, guys, I was a dancer, and they're like,
it's spine spine, you know that happens.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
But just this is why I respect you, because there's
people that go on here and say they have zero
dance experience and then we all know they do.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, and I did. And I think that kind of
played form for us and against us at the same time,
because there's also the psychology in the show, or this
opinion about the show that it's about, you know, celebrities
who can't dance, and it's about the journey of them
learning how to dance, which I guess it is part
of the show and why people watch it. But my

(39:34):
psychology behind joining the show was, Hey, aside from that,
which is great, and there's going to be people that
are like that also, you just want, I just want
audiences to to kind of get something exciting out out
of out of a performance. And and and so my
experience with you was what can we do every week

(39:56):
that can be pushing the envelope, that can be exciting,
that can be something that the show hasn't seen before.
That got me interested in in the journey, And of
course that got us very hot headed, and we argued
a lot, and you know, we did a lot of
of like this. And I also had to sort of

(40:20):
lower my head because I'm like, you know what, this
is her world. I'm just visiting, and she knows what
she knows what he's saying more than me. But it
is true that I came in with a lot of experience,
you know, having done like like not brother.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I mean, people know this.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, but but but maybe then.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
They didn't correct.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
So so we were too, you know, people with very
strong opinions. And and I think we did really good,
only we did stuff that wasn't listen.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I am proud. I am proud. When I was walking
my dog looking at our tango, for example, and I
was like, I said this out loud, like a like
someone who you know, talks to themselves on the streets.
I was like, damn, we were good.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I was like, we were great. I was like, I
was even like and I don't give myself. I mean,
I'm trying to be nicer to myself, but like I
don't compliment myself as much. And I'm just like, oh wow,
like and and what's interesting, I.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Don't know where you out of your but but what well,
just some steps that I've never seen.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Listen, let's just be really honest. You were honest, I'm
gonna be honest. We also, because I'm no longer under contract,
we had secret rehearsals. And I keep saying this to people.
With the four hours that is allotted for each couple,
this show wouldn't be where it is if if it
would still be on because of the dance quality. So
we would go and rehearse. When you give me twenty

(41:51):
four seven, I take twenty four seven. So it's like
we would have our four hour rehearsals. Within the rehearsal time,
there's interviews and all of that. We take a little
break and I'm like, meet me over here wherever we went,
and we have to wait until the studio was available
at times, which means it wouldn't start sometimes till nine pm,
ten pm, and we would be going at it until

(42:12):
one or two in the morning. And I'd have other
people who are professionals there to have as a third eye,
because it is very important, and I don't think I
would have or we would have been able to execute
some of the things that we executed without them.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And you know I am.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I don't need to freaking hide anything anymore. Like I'm
proud to get help. And for the people that think
they can do it all themselves. First of all, I'm
not married to a pro dancer, so a lot of
them are married.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So they have each other.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know it helps, but you're outside. I mean, yeah,
I don't know how much I can say, but that's
just so to say it all.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
No, seriously, there's nothing to hide.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
You know, regardless of the people that you had there,
which you had amazing people, your kind of vision and
style and sort of yeah, vision for that number, that
specific number was so strong that it doesn't really matter
who you had in the room. It was it was

(43:14):
always very going to be great. And you're also pushing
and pushing and pushing for more. More. Now, let's do
something more difficult. Let's no, throw me, throw me in
the air. I don't care if I know, bag my
head against you know, the ceiling, it doesn't matter. Just
throw me again. You know. It was a lot of that.
It was like being kind of in this daredevil crazy
circus act where you're just trying to just get the

(43:36):
most extreme thing out of us, and I thank you
for that, because it was one of the most intense, artistic,
creative experiences of my life, not just physical physical.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Whatever, you know, but I hear you, yeah, yeah, And
I have to say, out of all my twenty to
twenty three partners, you pushed me in a great way.
Like I I was able to even go there, like
I felt safe to go there with you because like
if you just came in and you were like, you know, babe,

(44:09):
you just do you like I'm just here, you know,
you know best, that wouldn't have worked with us. And
that was what was so unique. And I think you know,
you had fan questions, and some of the fan one
of them was like, why didn't you guys get like
it looked like you guys didn't get along. I don't
think that's I know it's that's not what it.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
That's not what it.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
That's not what it was. I think what it was
you saw two people so passionate and so intense, not
for a result. It was to be the best versions
of who we know we are and learning to Like the.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
First couple, I'll never forget that quick step. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Remember when we were fighting during carav blocking and I
was like, oh, this.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Is gonna be a long season.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
But then we started to like really get to know
each other and respect. And it was also hard for me.
I had to let my ego down. My you, like,
I'm not used to people like you coming on the
show where you have an I like, you have an idea,
like you have an opinion, you know, And so that
was an adjustment.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's what pieces of would. But also because I'm very opinionated. Yeah,
I always had a no.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I wasn't used to that.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
And you're like, wait a minute, what you talked?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Wait my partner talks no.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
But yeah, I mean, look, we were great. We went
through the whole gamut. I do we even went through
the whole thing. We're right in the middle. I don't
remember which week. I honestly thought to myself, I think
I'm going to tell her that I'm out of it.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Oh so you did? You did? I knew it.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah. I wanted to leave for like a minute a second.
It was one of those weak moments where I thought.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Wait, was it was it with Melissa when we did
the trio and you did that that flip?

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Maybe maybe maybe because the amount of like I don't know,
just emotional and ten of ah, you know, people don't
know this is like going.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
To to like Gladiator sort of times, like people there
show you a smile and a good time and oh
this is so fun. Yes, it's that, but it's mostly
your fighting for your life and what's happening around you
so crazy. It's wild. It's like it's crazy. And also

(46:29):
when you want to have a bit about it, when
you want to have a tantrum, you have a camera
in your face. And I do remember you saying to me, Yeah,
you saying to me, we don't want to get the
tents at it.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
We do not want a we don't want tension in
our package. Yeah, it would be called it would be
labeled tension package package.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
And we had it one week, we had.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Two it was it week two quick when we had
two dances.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Remember we had the fox shot and the quick Step
and I was like, oh, I feel it coming, and
I'm like here he goes, here he goes, and I'm like,
I'm like hitting the mic so that they can't use it.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I know, I know you were so paranoid about it,
and I know and I knew that you were, and
I knew that it wasn't good for us. But when
you're in that level of I know, yeah, it kind
of slipped out, it slipped down. I don't know I
said something.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I don't even remember what you said. I blacked out edited.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Really that was an asshole to you and the thing.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
No, no, but they didn't show it. They didn't show it.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
We did get one We got one package.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
That was wait which one I think it was a jive.
Oh I hated that one. That men though it was
freaking great. It looks great, it's great. We have to
tell our listeners.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, please tell them what at the halfway point is
when you want to like throw it in, same with me,
Like I just I'm like, vote be off here, Well
we'll leave, and please explain what is going through your mind?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
What has happening and why?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Like at that breaking point, it really is it's like
battle of the who's the mentally strong couple versus not
because everyone feels that way.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Because everyone's feeling that way. So what's going through your mind?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yes, why did you want to throw in the towel?
What was it?

Speaker 3 (48:19):
It feels like forever, it feels like you're in the
middle of something that's never going to end. It's also
because also we were doing pretty good. We're getting sevens
and eights already, and like.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
We two working nine. It's nine.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, we got ten in the third week.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Remember we were practicing until like the last second, and
I was like, we just got through it with music.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
That's right. We got it in the literally that song. Yeah,
and we got the ten wow.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yes, yes, yes, that was great. Anyway, Okay, go ahead, sorry.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
No, you just kind of okay, this is what I
discovered with you. I don't know if it's the same
with all the.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Other probably not.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
And why once I understood it, I could process it better.
But at the beginning, I'm like, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Because because this would be you would be really tough,
right and no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
The first day you taught me something, you would be
really sweet. The second day you're already going impatient totally.
Third day we were hating each other. The fourth day
I wanted to quit. The fifth day was the rehearsal
where all of a sudden we're with with like costume

(49:33):
and cameras and lights and whatever, and you turn into
this sort of nurturing sweet woman and show night morning
of show night your like you know, Mother Earth nature,
and during the performance, I want to marry you like
we are in complete love. And then we would finish

(49:56):
that and for the listeners, we would not go home,
we would not have a drink. We would actually go
to the studio the same night that the show happened.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know what, this is brilliant. I've never had anybody
explain it like this. You are so right, because you
know how many times I'm like, you know, you go
through these wave of emotions.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I just I love how you just broke it down
because you nailed it.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's exactly what happened. It would be that. And so
the first three weeks or four weeks or five weeks,
I would be like, what is wrong with me and her?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And like, oh yeah, no, it may have looked like
I loves.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Like what is going And then I was like, oh,
this is her process, this is like what happens.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
So that's so this is fascinating.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And by the way, I would I don't know because
I'm not the other pros, but I'm pretty sure, first
of all, ideal, like it's hard for me to not
express whether it's through body language or through my communication
with you. How I feel and I can't hide it,
like it is what it is, and like it's so
interesting how you just broke it down And I'm gonna

(51:03):
have to listen to it over and over again because
it's brilliant, because it's like, yes, it's exactly right, because
you can only live in the present moment on this show, right.
And as soon as we get saved, am I happy?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yes? But as soon as I get out of my costume,
I'm like, what the hell am I going to do.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Now to beat that dance? And so like my anxiety
goes Okay, let me have the first day and it's like, okay,
let me teach him how to walk. Then by the
second day, I'm like, why the hell does he not
know a shit what happened?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Then by the third day, oh, wides, we need wides?
Why's wis wis wise wise wides? And so like from
the producers and you're like, I can't even do one
step with these stupid wides. So we have pressure from
the exacts. Then we're like okay. Then you start to
get to know what you're doing, and then you come
in with ideas, which is not normal, and you're like

(51:56):
wanting to change shit. I'm like, no, we're not changing anything.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, we need to freaking do it like this and
stop overthinking it fuon Pablo and then it was like
camera blocking day and I was like, uh, oh, everyone's watching,
and so then like there's so much happening.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
It's just so much happening.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I know.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
It was like, you know, I felt I've never I
don't think I've ever felt this before or after, but
it felt like I was on some kind of identity
theft crisis because.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
When I wanted to say fuck, I could not. I
had to hold it in. I had to smile. Oh
my god, they vote for.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Us, and all I was like, don't vote for us.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I just yeah, you want to run away. You want
to you know, bang your head against the wall. You
want to say, I want to do everything, but to
be put together. Yes, you know, yeah, it does something
to to your mind. I mean, it's I feel for
people in the film.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
No, okay, I hear you. Okay, just quickly, what triggered
you wanting to throw in the towel?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Can I be honest please? I didn't I didn't understand
you by then, so I thought I was like, I
don't like the straight jacket of the of the pressure
of showing this happiness when it is so hard inside.
Because if if we were allowed to say fucking ship

(53:38):
and whatever and like you know, fight with each other, yeah, fine,
but we were like I felt like I was in
this weird place where I couldn't express things because that
was going to be bad because you're on camera and
all that stuff. So so it just felt like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Like a weird that you couldn't be yourself.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yeah, and they're asking you to be yourself.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yes, a correct unnatural thing, right, I understand you.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
To be yourself is to be frustrated when you're supposed
to be frustrated. But when you're supposed to be frustrated,
you're actually having to sell this. Yay.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Maybe that was my fault because I was so paranoid
about the packages and I had this whole I guess
you can say conspiracy theory, but really like if they
get I just still believe this, like if we gave
them that, which, by the way, so be it.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I wish I just didn't care as much. So I
apologize so much.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
No, and yeah, I definitely drunk some of your paranoiac
I'm sorry. Yeah, I felt that I felt that, but
I know that because you know the show so well
and everyone there so well, and and how you've seen
the tides change over time and so you know what
they're going for DA. It was literally like having as

(55:01):
a partner also an encyclopedia of Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Next to me, and which is not a good thing always.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Well, because yeah, you think of too many things, and
but I do think that because it was as if, look,
I can compare it, you know to what I can
compare it to a presidential election, like being this duo
and like next to you was literally running some kind

(55:29):
of campaign where you had to think of everything, everything
behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, like what.
It was very much that. So I learned a world
that I had never tasted before, which was that amount
of pressure. And of course when people here like, yeah,
but this is Dancing with the Start, what are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
This is a dance show. I hate when people say that.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Actually it wasn't because then you had to go to television.
You had to give the interviews, so you had to
talk after the show, You had to talk before the show.
You had to, you know, will present a certain thing.
So it is the most unnatural thing I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
No, I appreciate your transparency. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Why do you believe that we didn't make the finals?
This is a complete, honest it's a complicated question, but
it's okay. No, I honestly, I be honest.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Okay. So the reaction that we got not just from
people in the studio, but but literally days, weeks and
months after the fact, people were still talking about this thing.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I can't stop talking about it. Everyone's like, get over it.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
But the amount and also when you were seeing like
the numbers of comments on the official website, the official
Instagram account of Done it All, kind of led me
to believe that the numbers were there. Like, I don't
know what to believe happened, because it was very much like, huh,

(57:20):
like people were talking about our numbers. It's not like
we were fading into the background. I think when you
fade into the background, you stop getting votes. But I
don't think we were fading into the background. So I
don't know what to believe. But you know what, I
actually preferred what happened to having gone to the finals,

(57:42):
because it was thanks to getting kicked out there that
I think the show changed its structure.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It did. The voting got changed.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
So they actually canceled one season of the show to
rethink the show. Wait what, yeah, do you remember after
our season there wasn't.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Oh we went down to one a year. Yes, yes,
that was because it was two seasons a year prior.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yes, they did that thing where they I mean I
remember the special release was we're taking time. We're not
going to do a spring season, We're taking time.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
To the Yes.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Huh. People were mad, right right, So for me to
have seen that reaction was like, Okay, surely we were
getting you know, I mean, we're a good a good
team that people were looking at. And then the fact
that the fact that it changed the show to the

(58:43):
judges votes, it's just a save sorry, which I think
is very fair because they are the.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
People who you do think so I think. So it's
changed back again, by the way, but like since after you, yes,
I think that would have helped from us.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Yeah, that would have helped us because I know for
a fact, I mean I will put my hand on
the fire for Len and Bruno for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
No, there's no way, you know, the.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Three of them loved us, and so we would have
continued but my reasoning for being happy with that result
is the fact that it it just brought attention to
something that wasn't working, and that's good power to the people.
Like I've never received so much love online ever in

(59:30):
my life.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And by the way, who knows what our freestyle because
people were like, what were your freestyle would have been?
And I'm like, you know, I don't. We were playing
and toying around some really cool ideas.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
However, who knows.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, like I would have loved I love to end
like that with two amazing dances the way we did
and then you singing and doing their rendition like that
was even better. And to be quite honest, you're right,
but it still hurts my heart. Let's talk about the present.
Please tell me about is it Duen?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
You know? Do we know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I want to see it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You will?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I got chills.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Well, I will invite you to the please the premiere
of the screening when we do it in La where
at the moment we're literally going around the festivals. So
we played Italy Torrino, we played frame Line, San Francisco,
Rio de Janado. We got three awards out of these
and this coming month I'm literally just going to seven

(01:00:27):
I think so six festivals, So that's it. Yeah, San Diego, Honolulu,
Hong Kong, Atlanta. I mean, yeah, it's it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
It's just about your life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
It's loosely based on something that happened to me when
I was, yeah, seventeen, eighteen years old, when I went
to that school, and yeah, it's it's it's I basically
chose to to kind of grab something real and yet
add and change certain elements of it. But yeah, it

(01:01:02):
is basically it is about the first the first person
I fell in love with, And well, the premise of
the movie is a director in his forties who's trying
to finish a movie but is struggling to finish a
film about something that happened to him when he fell

(01:01:23):
in love for the first time in an international school.
So you can see how it is all very very yeah,
and so the movie dances between the present nineteen ninety
seven and some VHS eight footage found footage that talks
about that time when they were kids, between him and

(01:01:46):
this best friend Alexander Norwegian kid from his past. So yeah,
it was a very very hard thing to make, very
complicated because there were a lot of moving parts. We
filmed between Buenos Is, Argentina and Italy, Northern Italy. We
had a cast of like people from you know, Norway

(01:02:06):
and Iceland and Argentina and Poland and Uganda. I mean,
it was a very international cast and so we had
to travel people from all over the world. And it's
an independent film, so we didn't have money to make it.
And it's executive produced by Norman Lear. Wow, amazing Norman
Lear and Brent Miller. And Norman passed away at the

(01:02:29):
end of last year. Do we know was the last
film he watched in a cinema? You know, he was
instrumental and making it. And it's a real kind of
you know, luxury to to have had his blessing and
his partner in it. But yeah, it's a personal piece.

(01:02:49):
I'm very proud of it, probably the thing that I'm
most proud of to have made ever. And I'm kind
of wake for the world to see it. I can't
tell you where yet aside from these festivals, but yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Can't wait to see it. Thank you, really, I will
invite you please.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
You have a lot of fan questions, but I'm going
to stick to a couple that I recognized as far
as one or a few, but that have really supported you,
that love you, that feel like that the reason why
you were part of the shows because they petitioned for you.
Like so you have hardcore fans, and I remember them
from when we dance together. So let's start with at
Princess d nineteen eighty two. I'm sure you recognize that person.

(01:03:34):
Will you be recording any new music soon? She misses
your angelic voice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
She says, that's sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Thank you, Diana. You know what I'm thinking about it,
Like I say, I'm I'm promoting this film, I am
writing another two films.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Actually, you're just not You're not busy enough.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
No, yeah, it's I don't know. I don't know what
I think. I think the mortality has entered my mind,
so I feel like I need to make things and
produce things. So yeah, you know, I hear you don't worry.
I'm not sick, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I mean we're all going to be there ticking time bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, thank you. No recording, Yes, it is in my
in my thoughts, but I have to say. I am
performing my one month show in New York on the
fourth and fifth of October at fifty four below, which
is under the legendary Studio fifty four where you know

(01:04:35):
Michael Jackson and Eliza and Andy Warhol used to party. And
so I'll be performing there fourth and fifth of October,
and it is a cabaret show. So I'm singing like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yes, So that's a thing where I'm thinking that maybe
we might do like live stream of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yes please? Oh so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, So that's happening musically. If anyone wants you to
know that part of my life, then that's happening fourth
and fifth of October and also on the twenty seventh
of October at the Orinda Theater in North California.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Hey, yeah, I think you definitely should stream it for sure.
One more at Kendra R. Huffman. Are you single?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
I am, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Halla, Hello you too, Yes, happily single.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
That is oh yeah, very very comfy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Yeah, maybe too comfy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
On Bablo, it was so nice to talk to you,
like really talk to you. I'm in a time in
my life where it's very much about me, like reflecting
on all of it, and I'm learning so much by
doing all these interviews. To be quite honest, because when
you're in it. Like you said, it's just all consuming
and that's all. That's the world that I've lived in
for seventeen years of my life. But I just want

(01:06:02):
to thank you so much for your passion and you're
just you and I was so lucky and blessed to
have spent that time with you and honored really so well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I love you too, baby, Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
You're linked for life, you and I, oh for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Real, for real, like as linked as you can be
again without the sex. Just to be clear with everybody,
where can people find you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
They can find me on Instagram one one word. They
can find me anywhere else, like I guess yeah, on Facebook,
and I'm not really on Twitter that much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
No one is. How about Threads?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
No should I should?

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
I get on there?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I love threads. Threads is my jam right now. You
just taught no. It's just like you don't have to
put a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I just asked stupid questions like I asked crazy ask
questions and people go nuts and it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I love it. I look at it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
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