Episode 141: Hello From Heaven

Join Sandra as she celebrates the memory of the Great Afterlife Researcher, Bill Guggenheim.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal
podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of Shades
of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and
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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. How is
your day going today? How are you feeling about life?
You know, I've been watching the news the past couple
of weeks. I know there are many of us who
have experienced grief and then there's been some real scary

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stuff on And sometimes when you see someone else experiencing
grief or worry, it can ignite the grief that you've
felt before in the past. So always, I say be
gentle on yourself. If you haven't taken me up on
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our thoughts, they really are not. They're part of the
grieving process. But there are things we can do to
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you've felt yourself emotional lately, know something that our emotional
center is how our loved ones communicate from the afterlife.
The more emotional we are might mean the more sensitive
we are to afterlife communications. You've heard that everybody can

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play piano, right, Some people are just natural at it,
and some people it takes years, but of course they
can learn through practicing. Our spiritual development is the same
way some people find and you've heard these stories of
I saw people in spirit when I was a little kid,

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and then there's others that in their sixties, seventies, eighties
end up learning how mediumship works. We all have the ability.
Like I said, they communicate through our feelings and through
our emotions. If you're somebody like me who doesn't like
to experience the negative ones and might eat something, or

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some people drink something or others do other distracting things
to avoid feeling emotions, I recommend that we all try
to sit with those emotions and actually pay attention to them.
Sometimes it's our loved ones trying to communicate with us.
Here's something you can do. Take a picture of your

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loved one, think about them, look at their picture, recall
and experience that you had together, and then pay attention
to your belly. How do you feel, what's your gut?
Say about it? Soak up the laughter, the love, the memories,
and really pay attention to those feelings. When we can

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activate those feelings, also pay attention to the other thoughts
and feelings that come into your mind, paying attention to
our feelings, looking at a picture of our loved one,
talking to them. It's like knocking on the door saying, hey,
will you let me know you're still around, And don't
be surprised when all of a sudden other thoughts and

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feelings and memories come flooding in. It's them just saying
I'm right here with you. Our new medium glasses are
also starting. Whether or not you want to be a medium,
I think it's so cool for any of us just
to learn how our soul communicates. And I tell you
you would be blown away by realizing you are not

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the flow in blood that you think you are, that
you are so much more. We really do have divine
powers as being a human, and oftentimes we don't pay attention,
but they are there. And I'm sure you've had plenty
of opportunities to have instincts intuitions about people and things
you just knew. So moving on with our show, The

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World Lost and the Spirit World Gained. Our wonderful pioneer
Bill Guggenheim this past month. I'd like to start by
reading his obituary, and several years ago I got an
opportunity to talk with him, so I want to play
some of his words. Here's the obituary. Sadly, Bill Guggenheim

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has left this world for the next at the age
of eighty four. He died suddenly and unexpectedly of natural
causes at his longtime home in Florida. Bill would not
want us to grieve his life, but rather celebrate his
exceptional life and joyous transition into the realm of spirit.
For those of us who knew him and loved him,

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this task is much easier said than done. Not to
grieve the death of one so very special, who gave
so much to so many, often anonymously, asking nothing in return,
is nearly an impossible challenge. Bill was a pioneer in
the field of after death communication, also known as ADC experiences.

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He is considered by many to be the father of
after death communication research, based on his project in which
he and his ex wife Judy, collected over thirty three
hundred first hand ADC accounts and interviewed over two thousand people.

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The ADC project resulted in a best selling book entitled
Hello from Heaven, publish in two thousand and six, featuring
three hundred and fifty three cases now critically regarded as
classic work. Hello from Heaven has helped hundreds of thousands
of people all over the world to heal their grief

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over the loss of a loved one. Generously, Bill made
it a practice to send out copies of his book
free of charge to newly bereaved individuals, especially parents who
had lost young children. Based on his diligent research in
his first hand experiences, he came to the abiding conclusion

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that life and love are eternal and that death is
merely a transition to a higher realm of continued existence.
His longtime personalized automobile license tag beautifully and succinctly summed
up his firm conviction about life's purpose be life. So

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here is a conversation I shared with the wonderful Bill Guggenheim.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I'm from Long Island, Manhattan in New York City and
New Jersey, and grew up there and went to school
there Yale University. But mainly I was a stockbroker and
a securities analyst, literally on Wall Street. I worked for
two small firms, which has nothing to do with this.
That's my orientation. I inherited money when I was twenty one.

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I wanted to learn how to manage it. That's why
I studied a whole bunch of courses and eventually worked
in the field. But Judy and I moved to Florida.
We had one son at that time, and I had
a spiritual awakening in nineteen seventy four that led me
to attend day five day workshop which would be very,
very famous. That's doctor Elizabeth Koubler Ross wrote who and

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she wrote all the books yearly books on death and dying. Yes,
And this workshop was held in nineteen seventy seven. It
was just a series of coincidences, if there are tutch things.
Happened to be watching her on the Phil Donna Hugh Show.
One day, Judy called me in to see her. I
had heard her name, but I didn't know who she was.

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I watched for an hour and she really spoke about
near death experiences, which I was a bit familiar with.
I had read Raymond Body's book Life After Life, which
was published in nineteen seventy five, and I knew some
people involved with that research and things like that. I didn't,
you know, this didn't change my life or anything at all.
I just watched it, and then coincidentally, the same show

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came on another cable channel when we were living in
Sarasota two weeks later, and in that show it had
her name and mailing address below. So, feeling kind of
magnanimous at the moment, I wrote a check to support
her work. Break the check twenty five dollars what you
might do if the Brownie Scouts came around, or the

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fire department or any other you know, house to house
charity call kind of thing. And I thought, that's you know,
I did my good need for the day and that
would be the end of it. But as it turned out,
what Elizabeth wrote back to me sent me a number
of audio cassette tapes called Lessons from the Dying Patient
and invited me to attend a five day workshop with her.

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And I didn't know anything about it. So I waited
up to the last day before registration, and I thought, well,
if I went, then probably a doctor or a nurse,
or a social worker or you know, somebody in the
medical profession would not be able to attend if I went.
So I called her office in Illinois to speak to

(10:40):
her secretary, I thought, and I was going to apologize
and say very much, thank you, very much for inviting me,
but really, you know, get my seat away, don't hold
a place for me for somebody who could make a
bigger difference in the field of death and dying. And however,
that particular day was snowing in Illinois, and Elizabeth answered
her own phone denised her voice immediately. So bringing this

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into context, imagine calling some movie star or somebody like that,
and you know Jennifer Aniston, and you get her right
on the phone. It's her. It's not you know, a
machine or somebody else that works there. But it was Elizabeth.
So I went to my little routine about thank you
for inviting me, but and she listened patiently, and then

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she simply said, in her German Swiss accent, Miria, I
think you should be there, And I just point out
I guess I'm gonna push over for dominant women, because
I said, well, Elizabeth, if you think so, I will,
And six months later, sure enough, I was there for
five days. It was about the workshop was not about

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duck and dying. It was about life and living and
people releasing their grief for their pain, their sorrow, all
kinds of things, not just death by having been abused,
having been this out or the other throughout life, you know,
all the different emotions, and we bonded so much. That's

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by the end of the workshop we all wanted to
just call our immediate family members and friends and go
off to an island together and never go back to reality.
It was so incredibly loving. I've never experienced in a
group the love we shared in those few days, which
Bill Bill filt throughout the workshop. The big point is
that on that Thursday evening she flew Raymond Moody down

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from Virginia to Florida where the workshop was to speak
to us. And he spoke about us in your Death's
Experience research and whatnot in his book, and a couple
of people or three people talked about they had had
one of.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Those This is a good time to go into our
first break, isn't Bill Guggenheim? Just down to earth. You
never know how one TV show or a conversation with
a person can make a difference. Raymond Moody, Elizabeth Koopler
Ross made a huge difference in Bill's eyes. Little did
he know he would be one of the biggest after

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life pioneers with his book Hello from Heaven and We'll
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to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and you
are listening to a conversation I had with the late
great Bill Guggenheim, co author of Hello from Heaven. You
just never know when an ordinary everyday person is someone
who can make a big difference. So last he was
talking about a workshop with Elizabeth Koobler Ross and doctor

(14:44):
Raymond Moody was there.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
How, Vanna went into another direction where a woman claimed
that her daughter had been hidden killed by a driver
of a car accident away when the daughter was walking
with a friend. So both these teenage girls were killed.
She had what she called a dream in which she
saw her daughter conversed with her. The dream was very,

(15:08):
very healing. It it had occurred about a year before,
and this woman was a nurse herself, and she accepted
it fully as being authentic and real and an actual
contact from her daughter. And then she went on to
say how her son had seen his sister while he
was doing his homework one evening scared him and he

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went running into the living room and saying, Kaffi's there,
Kaffiy's air, and he described what she was wearing and whatnot.
And I had never heard of anything like this before ever,
anyone who had died. Was my praise was when you're dead,
you're dead, you know, and the body is white, a flash,
white battery and the juice runs out. You throw it away. Wow,
those were live views. So I was I was very

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skeptical about this. I thought it was very nice that
the mother had a dream, but when she called her
a dream, I dismissed that he not real. And when
the boy gave his account of saying, sister, and so
your teenage boy in little marijuana, who knows what?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Probably a drug reaction, And so that went away. But
then Elizabeth went on to narrate a story in which
a patient of hers had died ten months earlier, came
back to Elizabeth made Elizabeth make a promise that she
would not quit her work, because there was a great
deal of pressure on Elizabeth at that point, opposition by

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the medical community to stop doing what she was doing,
even though she worked in a hospital and everything, and
she was a full fledged American psychiatrist at that point,
although her background was from Switzerland. When finished, when Elizabeth
finished her long story, which is in our books, I'm
not going to go through it. You could literally hear
a pin drop would have sounded like a crowbar following

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on a concrete floor or something. It was so dramatic,
And so I went home with the idea, well, if
it happened to one person, Elizabeth Koola Ross, who had
everything to lose and nothing to gain by telling this experience,
I felt maybe taped to some other people now and
back then in nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight, late seventies

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throughout the eighties, there was no Internet or anything like it.
It was the interlibrary loan system. So I was able
to get books from anywhere in the country that I
could locate, or you know, a title over in Arthur
or whatever. And so I would get a book here,
in a book there, and there'd be one accound or
two accounts its, maybe three of something like this, and
one had a whole chapter on it, you know, had

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of all the books that have ever been written, one
had a chapter. And I was curious, and I didn't
know what to do about it. But I went to
Raymond Moody, who I had gotten to know myself again,
the father of near death experience research, and I asked,
I figured if he wrote the book, it would get attention.
And well, Raymond never said no, he never said yes,

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And he kept postponing me for years because and I
even found a man who he worked with up in Georgia,
so he would find people to interview, so the three
of us would work together. But it never happened, and
I finally had an experience of hearing a voice, my
old head say do your own research, write your own book.
It's your spiritual work to do. And so it was

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back on me and I didn't know. I mean I
could figure out what to do, yes, but I had
done it, and that was very simply find people who
had had some kind of experience, have been contacted by
love when who would die, and interviewed them. That was
my messondolity, very simple. I called my former wife Q
come over, and we had been married seventeen years. We

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were divorced for four years, but I had shared all
my information and interest in this with her before where
you were divorced, and even afterwards, and so she did it.
Even that day when she was there for an hour,
we got a phone call from somebody telling us about
accounts this woman's aunt seeing a friend of hers who
had died having the experience before she was even informed

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that the friend had died.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Evidential. That's what I really wanted to supply in, something
which could convince me that these weren't just imagination, which
we were thinking or you know, breathed desire to bereave
that kind of thing. And the long story short, in
our book, we did have six chapters of why these
real and I'll go through that later, but that provides

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evidence within the experience, not just reading it, but the
content of how they learned, what they learned and whatnot.
That they learned something they didn't know before or before
they were told to loved one had died, things like that.
So with that I plunged. I had. My job was
to find ten people a week here in Orlando, Florida,

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and I did to who would claim to have such
an experience because I didn't know if we'd find fifty
people a year or one hundred and a year. Long
story short, we interviewed five hundred people the very first year,
and that led to being in contact with various bereavement
organizations and asking them to help us by providing people

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who were grieving that's a little loved one, especially grieve parents.
And we gave our first lecture workshop whatever you want
to call it, one year after we began our research,
which we began in nineteen eighty eight through nineteen ninety five,
but nineteen eight nine, we gave our first workshop with
over three hundred people in it all beieve parents Wow.

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And a second one the same day with more than
two hundred for parents in it. And because another little coincidence,
I had met a woman who was a reporter for
the Saint Petersburg Times. She was there and she brought
a cameraman. So we had a wonderful, beautiful article over
in the Saint Petersburg newspaper that was written with the
color photograph and we use that as evidence that our

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research was real and honest and straightforward. And we use
that throughout the rest of our six years of research
whenever we contacted anybody, individuals or organizations. So we had
and there were other stories and other newspapers, including New
Orlando Sentinel two in there. So we got a great
deal of publicity before a book was ever published. West

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kept going and going and going. We kept hearing more
and more experiences, so we didn't stop, and we wound
up interviewing two thousand people in all fifteen American states
and all ten Canadian provinces, all backgrounds, all interests, all
different relationships, everything, and that's in the book. And Hello

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from Heaven contains three hundred and fifty three first hand
accounts that we planned the books that were all representative
of all the others we heard.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
How did you pick the three hundred and fifty three
out of two thousand?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Basically they fall with the categories we found twelve sounds
like the zodiacci the twelve categories. Actually there were one
or two more now, but then there were twelve. They
just fell into one, such as a feeling or sensing
the presence, or hearing a voice, or feeling a touch,
a tactile touch, or a pat of caress, a kiss,

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something like that, or smelling of fragrance of some kind.
We're actually seeing them. They fall into patterns those types
of experiences, and within those we found the ones that
were the clearest and easiest to understand, the best told
frankly avorbally and edited down to a reasonable amount of

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space in a book. And yes there's a lot of
hard choices, but we have to not have a thousand
page books that we do. Nobody would read that.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
What are some of these twelve If you don't mind.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hearing a voice, or sensing a presence, or feeling a touch,
these types of things we go on later into of
course people call them dreams. We call them sweep state
ABC's because they're very common. They're not People will go
through a whole experience and they use the word dream,
green dream, but then they'll finish plaicing. But it was

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unlike any other dream I ever had. They saw the
person they communicated. Usually it was detailed, it was personal,
it was comforting, uplifting, and even other people in their dreams,
there are a group of people didn't see that person.
Only they did, so there were unique little twists and
turns within many of these.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Do you have any stories of ADCs that continue to
just like when you think about them, there's no doubt
this is reality. Any stories you could share with us, Well, the.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Easiest one is the one I had, and that was
before we ever began a research. Judy and I were
owned a home in Longwood, Florida, which is a suburb
of Orlando, and one Sunday afternoon we had a talk.
We were in our living room, which was in the
front of the house, and we had gotten up to
go on and do whatever it was wrestled that Sunday

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and I heard a thought in my mind very clearly.
It said go outside and check the swimming pool. It's
very common in Florida for people to have screened in pools,
and then you don't have to be a millionaire or
anything like it. I mean, you look from the air.
It's hard to fly in some areas and suburban area.
Houses that don't have pools'll come there. So we had

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a average size screened in pool. And so I walked
from the front of the house to the rear, which
had sliding glass doors between us and the pool we
had about fifteen feet away. There was a wrought iron
fence and the gate had been left open, and we
had three sons at that point. Two of the older
ones used to use that as a shortcut to go

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to the backyard. So from the back door through the
gate to the pool and around the pool through another
door outside the pool, And so I went to close
the gate, and as I did, I had to look
down at the deep end of the pool. There our
youngest son, Jonathan was floating and not moving at all,
and iaginet Nelson's dead. Her alive. He was only less

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than two years old. He didn't know how to swim,
and I tore her off to the other end of
the pool and just before I jumped in the water.
Jonathan was floating face upwards. His arms were a kid boat,
and he spread out with his legs. His eyes were
open and he wasn't moving, but he had almost like
a small smile on his face, him buying memory. And

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so I jumped in the water. I came up under him,
pushed him to the side, and while I had been
running down the side, I yelled out, Judy. I screeched
down Judy. She came running immediately, and she literally pulled
him out. I pushed him and she told him. He
both got out. It may the water was still cold.
I was shivering a bit. We didn't know what yet,

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and within a few seconds he split up water and
he was flying. He did not even require CPR so quickly.
How occurred?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Wow? Incredible story. So important to listen to those gut instincts.
And in Bill's case, he heard a voice. It's real, folks,
absolutely real, Hello from Heaven. Time for our next break
and we'll be back with more. Bill Gougenheim, you're listening
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Speaker 2 (28:15):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we are hearing about Hello from Heaven from the
late Bill Gougenheim. He just told us a story about
hearing a message check the swimming pool where he found
his two year old boy floating and subsequently survived. Let's

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continue and other.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
People's Hello from Heaven. I received messages to look out
and check the bar, and in that case the bar
was on fire and would have spread to the house
or built board that aeroplane and then later on the
plane crashes. Wow, they're all the plane will crash. Won't
get on. Just don't get on that plane. If your

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listeners don't believe a word I say, that's up to them.
But if you ever ever receive information about slow down now,
or stop your car now, or anything like that, please
be good about it and listen to that voice and
heat it because it will probably save your life or
at least prevent you from having a serious accident.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So let's talk about a few other these kinds of
after death communications, because I think we can have them
and not realize we're having. I'm like, for instance, smelling
my grandmother's perfume or something like that. You know, that
could be a very real communication, couldn't it.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's a whole chapter in All from Heaven about that.
You can smell a perfume and cologne, favorite food, favorite beverage,
could be a sachet was reported. The sense of the
baby can be reported anything to do with smelling something
like that, And which makes them the most interesting in

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a way, because this is a category of all the
types of experiences that other people can share and do
share easily. So let's pretend you're calling me from northern
Minnesota in the middle of a blizzards snow outside, no
flowers anywhere, and you're working in an office in a

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big building, in a cubicle or whatever, and there's no
flowers and there's no colonne, there's no perfume of anything,
and all of a sudden, you start smelling violets, which
may not even be a flower native to there, I
don't know, but you smell my life, and well, I
like to remind you that what you say your mother's
favorite flower when she was alive, and you, guys, feel

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surrounded by lilacs and uplifted, and you feel a warm
hug from your mother emotionally, and you say thank your
mom or whatever, and somebody comes along and you go sniff, sniffles,
smell it. Oh yes, it's flowers, flylax, and they'll smell it.
And a third person will come along in a four
and aft. So these and we have one in which

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twelve people all smell the same roses when there are
no roses there. So that's evidential, where there's two or
more people at the same time, in the same place,
sharing the same experience, again with no words involved, without
anybody saying, oh do you smell that, not prompting them
or listening Oh yes, yes, you know, cause you know

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to say yes, but stay on their own noticing it
and commenting on it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Can we talk about telephone calls? I just want to
share something that one of the listeners told me that
her dad had a close friend who had passed away.
And I don't know how long it was after the
guy had passed away, but this gentleman's cell phone rang
that it was from the guy who died, and of
course he couldn't have dialed it because you know, he

(31:49):
was gone. So he the fella just assumed that, well,
somebody else must have gotten the number or something like that,
so he dialed the number back and the number had
been disconnected.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yes, this was just coming in as we were finishing
our researcher where you would have had more on net
regarding cell phones, pagers, and computers, and people have received
messages on your computers and this is not an email
from us, you know us, somebody trying to make them
feel good, or somebody's trying to spoof them. This is

(32:20):
just a little message for them on a computer. Or
hearing telephone calls. It's not uncommon, it's not the most common,
but it's the smallest category. But one man wrote a
whole book on it called Phone Calls from the Dead.
He's a parapsychologist and who I read his book long
and many years ago. But what it is is imagine

(32:42):
your okay two forms. When is when you're asleep. Now
maybe you can accept it more easily that you're sleeping
and the phone rings that you hear in your head
and you pick it up and it's your ant parent
or your child or whoever it is. You can accept
that more readily than actually seeing them and person who
are you know during a so called dream, six stage,

(33:03):
ADC or whatever, and you have a two way conversation
with them, buy telephone and hang up, and that's that, okay.
But what about when you're wide awake. Let's say you're
in the kitchen, you're cooking or cleaning up, or some
other room of a house doing whatever you're doing, doesn't matter.
Wherever you are, could be a business even, and the
phone rings, you pick it up, and it's the voice
of your love one who died, and they communicate to you.

(33:25):
They speak to you, and you can have one way
or two way communication with them during this type or
other types of experiences as well, but to one a
two way communication and generally their voice then begins to
fade away and that's the end of it. But there's
never a hang up or a disconnect sound or a
dial tone. It just phades away. And in some cases

(33:49):
they can be on a cell phone there it can
show the phone number. But if you die, what that's
not valid or whatever. But we have the whole chapter
in the on phone calls yes.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
What's the most common kind of ADC?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
The most common one is perhaps not the most interesting
because it's the hardest to imagine, like you've already felt it.
But it's called feeling or sensing the presence. You just
feel the person is around you or near you in
your vicinity. And many people can point to where in
the room, like over to my laughter, to my right,

(34:28):
or behind me, and they can report a change in temperature.
Sometimes occasionally the temperature may rise or decline, sometimes drastically.
And they will also know when that's no longer there,
when the person is left. But they'll say, oh, that's it.
Mayory just died, or that's so and so. It's usually
somebody is not quite as close to them, and they say, well,

(34:51):
I'm just you know, I'm upset because I'm thinking about them,
or something like that. So that's why I imagined this.
But really they are feeling it. They know what. But
because in our culture we discard so many things like
that as not real, they throw it away. In other cases,
it's maybe their deceased husband arrived or child. Others can

(35:13):
go on for months and even years, and what we
say is very simply is not that they just want
you to feel their presence. But they're not just letting
you know they're there. There's something you can do right here,
right now when you have that occur, and that is
sit down, relax, relax your body as much as you can,
close your eyes, take a few deep breats, just like

(35:35):
your untermeditation, and open your mind and ask we see
the message. At first, you're, you know, your mind just
turning away, usual mind shatter. But you should in time
receive a message from them, because they want to communicate
with you. Want more than to just give you a

(35:56):
fragrance for you to spell, or a touch or things
like that. They want to communicate something primal. And there's
a whole list of those. I'll be happy to get
into it a minute. But feeling the presence is the
most common, and I would say the sweep States so
called dream is the second was common. Here's the body
analogy because I was doing I have a lot of

(36:17):
time in the works. Now. How hard is it to
get hold of somebody today? You call them on the phone,
you get wife mail, right, you have to send them
an email. You may and may not get back to you.
For a day or two, you call them on and
on and on all these different ways, and yet we're
further apart of me. And the joke is about kids
who can text, and they're doing incessively, But if you

(36:40):
put the same kids in the same room together, they
don't know what to say to each other. And by
the way, they have no idea what to say with
real words right out of their mouth. And so we're
clos there by texting and tweeting and all this, but
we're further away from each other in terms of emotionality
and harsh health words.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, And when I first got into this, I had
so much fear of telling people that I was looking
into life after death and looking for proof, and these
are the things I came up with. Bill. I thought
people were going to think I was crazy, so I
kept my mouth shut. And I think so many people
have had experiences and might be afraid to share.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
That was the biggest surprise as we did our research,
because people said to us, I had my experience five years,
ten year, twenty years ago, and you're the first person
I've ever told, or you're the first people we've told
outside of my immediate family or friends, and so many
people said that that I knew our book, if nothing else,

(37:42):
would validate their experiences for each other. And that's why
we chose the format of having three hundred and fifty
three first hand accounts. It's not about Juliet Bill Googianhang,
and I don't care if we have PhDs, He's still
not going to reach more people than by having the
account and the experience's own words, first hand accounts, in

(38:03):
other words, that they can read and a sign for
themselves or these authentic or not. And that's what we
wanted to do, and that's what we did. And books
are not usually done this way because it's very little
of us in the book, and we're not trying to
be the experts. So this means this, and that means that,
and of course you must believe such and such. We

(38:24):
wanted their readers to read these accounts and make their
own objective opinion of what they thought it meant. And
I loved as one comment, you know on Amazon, this
guy I said, I believe it was a man who
kept reading a book and then throwing it against the
wall we're discussed, but then started to read it again.
And they said he could put it down well, there's.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Such a battle in our minds. Even as long as
I've been involved with this, you know, little voice in
my head sometimes tells me I'm losing my mind. None
of it happened, you know. I think we all can
find you know that we fight that negative.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
You have to realize what we didn't really elaborate on
because we couldn't in our book, is what we regard
as these types of experiences or near death experiences. It
seems like this as being weird or different or out there,
and they're called parapsychological, paranormal, and other words meaning not
real as far as through science goes. These occur in

(39:24):
other parts of the world, such as Central and South America,
parts of Europe, the Far East, especially in the Philippines,
where people have these experiences at night, will say share
them with their friends and family members the next day,
openly and easily, and they're accepted fully. We're the ones
was blinders on. We're the ones that don't accept what

(39:46):
the rest of the world does accept. And it's all
because our whole society is so scientifically oriented. It goes
back to the Sun revolves around the Earth, and that
was disproven and this was a disclimer, and that was
this route, and science gradually ascended be the master of
the truth. And if science obayed it was true, and

(40:07):
it didn't, Okay, it wasn't true.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Isn't that the truth? Wow? We're going to go into
our last break, and when we come back, we'll hear
a few more words from the wonderful Bill Guggenheim, remembering
his work and remembering his life. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
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(40:37):
of the Afterlife coming right up.

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Speaker 2 (41:36):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
a dear friend of mine says we are only dead
if we are forgotten. Bill Guggenheim passed with a great book,
Hello from Heaven. In it are so many different accounts
of great reasons and signs that you can believe in

(41:58):
the afterlife. It's been te translated into many languages. He
has spoken on the topic, not just to me, but
so many others. Take a look on YouTube. Type in
Bill Guggenheim. See who this wonderful man is. And I
say is because he is still working, no doubt on

(42:19):
behalf of humanity from the other side. Bill going to
raise a glass and toast you. A little bit later,
I'd like to continue on with just a few more
words from Bill. He was just talking about science and
if science can't believe something, we human beings tend not

(42:40):
to believe.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And if science obayed it was true, if he didn't, okay,
it wasn't true. And now the latest thing is is
consciousness located in the brain or is it out outside
of the brain? Non local consciousness? Whereas consciousness existing, we
don't realize we all were raised with the same religion.
I'm not saying we're Catholics or products and Jews or whatever.

(43:02):
There's another religion we were raised with from first grade
or preschool on right through college and PhDs, and that
is science. Science is a way of looking at Earth,
life on Earth and evaluating it in a certain way.
And it's fine for physical matter, I'm not disputing it,
and energy in those things, but it's no good for

(43:22):
these areas and that. Yet we attribute it as being
intallible and having the last word and everything. And so
we're the ones who are starving and fearful about death.
I hear from the many Hawsess people, how many people
die hanging on to life with their fingernails because of

(43:44):
their religion and science. They're afraid that they're going to
go to hell or to oblivion, one or the other.
You know, right, that's a scary way to Yes, it is.
And they look at and they act it and they
speak it if they can speak, and that's the way
they leave this planet, leave this life. They don't have to.

(44:06):
That's between science and some performs the religious belief. That's
what there's not's with typically though, let me give you
the positive. The positive is that many people, even if
they've been in a coma well for a few moments
before they make their transition, they open their eyes, they
sit up, they're smiling. They will sometimes mentioned or a

(44:26):
point or indicate that their deceased loved one or one
or more loved ones are present and have a big
smile and in a way saying I'll be with you
in a moment. And then they take their last breath
and they're gone, that they have a whole welcoming committee
waiting for them and escorting them to the light.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
A lot has happened since Elizabeth Koper Lobster did her research,
and the books on near death experiences and our book
Allow from Heaven and all the other books when after
deathrification as they said earlier, and someone out of body experiences,
and the number of celebrities that have come forward shared
of their experiences in popular media. All these are kipping

(45:12):
away at this really agnostic or atheistic viewpoint that there
ain't no more and there sure is.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
How many people would you say, have these experiences more
people than not? Or do you have any idea?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yes? There was a poll conducted that indicates before we
ever began our work, and indicated that it was around
forty three forty four percent of all Americans have had
one and after death communication experience. Now that's if you
include all the population about now over three hundred million,
you're speaking about one hundred and twenty five million people.

(45:51):
About a third I'm going to say a third conservatively
has had one a third of the population. But then
take into account many people have never been to RIDD
certainly young yes, and many older people there's never been
that close to somebody who's died. Maybe it was a grandparent,
but they just weren't that close to that grandparents or whoever,

(46:12):
so they haven't dealt with this. Or if they had
somebody who come back, they wouldn't have recognized him more.
It would have blown it off very easily. Wow, just
just discounted it. And that's sad, but it's the way
it is.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I know I've spoken to people and they've heard stories
of other people that get these communications. Is there something
people can do to increase their chances? I mean, I
know you said to be open, and I do think
having a quiet mind, and like you said, asking for
communication is important. But is there anything we can do

(46:47):
or pay attention to differently to help have one.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
What I say is, first of all, ask asking is
a former prayer if you like that word or not.
But asking is a form of being open. You're admitting
you there's something more you would like, So ask the
person we'd like to hear from to come back to
you in some form. So just playing to ask. But

(47:13):
this this sincerity, not just off the top of your head. Okay,
try with to me. No whe the cynical by it.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear that's going to happen.
Now you pray with to me and maybe i'll maybe
maybe maybe I'll consider No, not's not asking, I mean
asking was it be sincere or open loving heart? And

(47:35):
maybe they want to give a message to somebody else
and offered to be a service to them, to give
a message to maybe their spouse or another child or
whoever it may be. But asking is a form of
being open, and it's a form of prayer, and it
creates an openness in your mind, in your emotions, and

(47:56):
you're in the possible for what is possible. Because that's
what we're talking about, what is possible. It's amazing as
they say that, I know atheists and foxhols, well here
nobody has to be an atheist or agnostics. So you
don't have to tell anybody if it doesn't happen, or
even if it does happen, you don't have to tell anybody.
Let's see what happens now. The other thing is, which

(48:18):
is very positive. Yes, learn how to meditate.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Meditation does take time, but quieting your mind and just
being in that present moment of mindfulness you can do
it in a second. Like I said in the beginning,
being present to your feelings is the entryway for so much.
And as Bill said, ask Bill was kind enough to

(48:42):
send me a beautiful laminated sheet called who Do You
Think You Are? And I'm delighted that it's also posted
on his website, Bill Guggenheim dot com. I'd like to
read this to you. These are words from Bill who
do You Think You Are? When you were born this
world with partial amnesia, These reminders will make your life happier, easier,

(49:06):
and more fulfilling. You are an eternal soul who lives
primarily in the spirit world. You chose your current lifetime
and physical reality aboard Spaceship Earth as a student enrolled
in the human experience to achieve spiritual growth in a
universe of duality. You carefully selected your gender race, color, nationality, culture, talent, education,

(49:33):
and other personal characteristics. All your choices will provide lessons
you will learn and lessons you will teach others. You
picked out your physical body, the earth suit you're wearing
to function in this space. Time to mention. One day
it will stop working and you will continue to exist.

(49:54):
You mutually agreed to your primary relationships grandparents, parents, part children, pets,
et cetera. Be aware that every person and every experience
is your teacher. You chose Earth to experience human emotions
and elevate your consciousness. You're also here to learn to

(50:15):
love every person unconditionally. To master these spiritual lessons, treat
everyone with loving kindness, including yourself. To assure abundance, be humble,
serve others lovingly, express gratitude often, be understanding, compassionate, and forgiving.

(50:36):
Acquire serenity, courage, and wisdom. Nurture others and yourself. Be creative,
Always do your best, and celebrate life joyfully. To expand
your awareness and develop your inner intuitive senses, meditate daily.
This will broaden your spirituality and deepen your relationship with

(50:59):
the source. Learn to tune in trust and act upon
your intuition. It offers clarity, insight, and practical guidance for
all your situations, and it will empower you to make
your best decisions. If you can't recall your purpose in life,
pray it will be revealed. Of course, you have free will,

(51:22):
and you can live any lifestyle you are able to create.
You will receive everything you need for spiritual growth, but
not necessarily what you want. Your sole plan and consciousness
determine the experiences, people, and things you will attract. Do
not judge others. You do not know what they came
here to learn. Like the leaves on a huge tree,

(51:45):
all people are connected to each other and part of
the source. Do everything you can do to relieve suffering,
inspire healing, harmony, and unity. When your physical body dies,
when you graduate, you will bring with you all of
the love and kindness you have shared, your memories, and

(52:06):
the lessons you have learned. After your transition, you will
have a life review. You will relive every thought, feeling, word,
and action of your entire lifetime and experience how they
affected everyone else. Remember, you are a being of light,
an immortal spirit. You are enrolled in the human experience

(52:30):
to learn spiritual love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, wisdom, peace, etc. Eventually,
your physical body will die and you will return to heaven.
There you will have joyous reunions with all of your
deceased loved ones who are looking forward to your arrival

(52:52):
and last love one another, Serve one another, honor the source.
Life and love are eternal. Thank you, Bill, and thank
you for Hello from Heaven. As a reminder of my friends,
we Don't Die dot com is your home base for
all past episodes of my podcasts. Also to receive a

(53:16):
free copy of my book and to your name and
email address on the bottom of that homepage, come join
one of our medium classes. See what your soul is
made of. You're pretty incredible. And last but not least,
come join our free Sunday gathering. It's pretty darn special.
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of

(53:38):
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