August 11, 2023 • 53 mins
In this week's episode, Sandra will share some EVPs, and teach us how to record them!
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a nie to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When I
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woke up this morning, I had just had an incredible dream.
I was working one of my old catering jobs and
this handsome man showed up on the scene and he
said that he was a listener of every single one
of my podcasts. Now, in my original podcast, We Don't
Die Radio, I have four hundred episodes and here in
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Shades of the Afterlife, well we are approaching one hundred
and fifty, so that is a lot of listening. And
he met me for the very first time face to face.
He worked the day with us this catering business, and
my mom gave me the seal of approval. She liked him,
and of course by this time, anybody who worked so
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hard and listen to all my episodes, I thought, well,
maybe he's a keeper. Then I had the opportunity to
introduce him to my dad. Now Mom is still alive,
but Dad is deceased. What happened next was my dad
opening his arms to me, giving me the most real
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and loving hug, as if he were still alive. I
don't know what happened to the possible boyfriend, but that
piece of the dream was so real to me that
that told me that was Dad saying hello and letting
me know that he loved me. Dreams are funny. Yes,
it would be nice to have a handsome man show
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up who fell in love with me? Because of all
these episodes, But the important thing is the reality of
the most important part, and that was with my dad.
It was distinct from all the other parts of the dream.
When I woke up this morning, I actually felt like
I had just had a big hug from my dad.
Dreams are interesting when they are negative, that is our
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subconscious at work. When they are real and you can
remember them, remember the love, it could be a big
smile on your face. That is a real visitation. I believe.
Where are we going to go today on this episode? Well,
I'd like to get into electronic voice phenomena a bit more.
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Let you hear some examples and give you some ideas
how you can start recording. Why Because lately many listeners
have wanted to communicate with their loved ones. Now we
can communicate with our loved ones at any time. They
can hear us. The problem is we cannot hear them.
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It's hard for us to trust when a song comes
on the radio that was our favorite song, hard to
trust that that's really our loved one. They may plant
some pictures and some memories in our mind that come
out of the blue, and it's hard to trust that
that's really them. I would like to introduce you to
some people who have had luck recording EVPs. The recordings
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are a little bit older. I'm not sure if you'll
be able to understand the EVPs, so I will do
my best to tell you what I hear and then
we can go from there. I have a lovely book
in my hands called I'm Still Here, written by Martha Copeland,
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and on the back of the book it says I'm
Still Here chronicles the compelling true story of a parent's
deepest pain losing a child and the remarkable healing journey
resulting in actual contact beyond life's veil. Despite the apparent
finality of death from an automobile accident, Kathy has managed
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to try transmit messages to her mother and others via
audio segments captured on various voice recording equipment. Electronic voice phenomena,
or EVP, is just the process by which communications with
our deceased loved ones are possible. EVP is just beginning
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to be understood, yet it has been experienced by people
all over the world since the advent of modern electronic devices.
Through the use of EVP, Martha discovered that friendships evolving
in the physical world are the result of our loved
one's efforts to contact us from the spiritual world. Story
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shared from other mothers in this book validates that we
belong to what our loved ones in the spiritual world
refer to as the Big Circle. The Big Circle includes
our loved ones in the spiritual world world as well
as their loved ones in the physical world here on Earth.
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After reading this book, you will never again be able
to view the world through just your physical eyes. You
will learn to see with your spiritual eyes as well.
Behind every tragedy, there is a divine plan that we
do not realize that we are actually learning and growing
from these tragedies. Through the use of EVP, we have
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come to realize that our loved ones in the spiritual
world are trying to contact us, and it's time now
to remove the do not disturb sign off Heaven's door.
We'll talk a little bit more about the Big Circle
as we continue on, and also one website that I
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think you should put at the very top of your
list if you're interested in recording. EVPs is a transc
dot org which stands for the Association of trans Communication
a transc dot Org. I'd like to play a short
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clip now and you can hear Martha Copeland talking about Kathy,
and then we'll get into some other people and we'll
hear some EVPs.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
My name is Martha Copeland, and back in two thousand
and one, my daughter Kathy was involved in a terrible
accident with my niece Rachel. And after the accident, the
two girls made a pack that if one of them
should ever die, the one in the spiritual world would
come back and at the one in the physical world
know they were okay. Unfortunately, three weeks later, in December
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twenty third, two thousand and one, my daughter was involved
in a fiddle accident. It was five months later that
my niece called me and she said, Aunt Martha, I've
got Kathy's voice on my computer. Naturally, I thought because
she was grieving, because they were cousins but also best friends,
she was just grieving, and you know, I said, Okay, well,
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that's really wonderful Rachel. But then my sister got on
the phone and she said, no, you need to come
over here. It's Kathy's voice. So I went over there.
When she played the recording, could hear Kathy saying I'm
still here. And then there was a male voice that
followed saying, how do you know they can hear you?
And you can imagine how shocked and actually thrilled I
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was to hear it. It was just unbelievable that I
could hear my daughter's voice again. Rachel told me about
the pack at that time that they had made, and
she started laughing, saying what Kathy at the time told her.
He said, if I should go first, I'm going to
write cat, Cat cat all over your computer screen. So
Rachel said she was in bed that night and she
said was thinking about the pack, and she started crying
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because she missed Kathy. And she got out of bed
and she turned on the computer and found something about
EVP Electronic Voice phenomena, and she started trying to get
Kathy through the computer. And she tried for many, many
hours and didn't have any success. So she finally tried
one more time, and when she did, she got Kathy's
voice saying I'm still here. I had mothers that would
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come to my house and they had lost children, and
we started recording together and when time, with much work,
each mother was able to get their child's voice and
the recordings. A mother in the group started emailing me,
Karen Mossey, and I started picking up herson, Rob's recordings,
his voice and my recordings. My recorders sometimes just mysterically
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turned on by themselves. And one example is when I
left my house one time and I forgot Kathy's dog.
Dojah was in the house. When I returned home, he
hid me this huge miss I mean, gi gant it
mess in my house. And I picked up my recorder
and when I played it, I could hear Kathy's voice
saying Dojah no, like she's scolding the dog.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have the recording of Doja no, and I'm going
to play it for you three times. See if you
can hear it, dojah No. This next mom you're going
to hear from is Deborah Caruso. Okay.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
We were on vacation in Mexico and we had a
fatal clock crash. My son died and my daughter was
critically injured. My daughter was in a comra and when
she woke up, I had to tell her that her
brother died and her first words were, he can't be dead.
He speaks to me every day. I just was really
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happy because I knew that he was around, and I
was always looking for signs that my son was around.
I would receive dimes, feathers, and actually, when you're a
mom and you're looking for a child, you accept anything
as a sign. And one day I took a picture.
It had three sevens on it, and I'm sure it
was a camera malfunction, but to me, it was a sign.
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So I asked people their opinion, and someone had told
me as we were speaking about normal pictures, and she said,
you know, if you're talk into our recorder, someone might
answer you and you might be able to talk to
your son. My first reaction was, this can't be true.
So I went home and I turned on the sound
recorder of my computer. When I learned how to listen
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for voices, as you record more, you learn to hear.
I went back to my first recording and my son
was on it. He was the next voice speaking. So
after that I got little bits and pieces, and someone
came and said, speak to her a woman. Then I
heard MA, and then I knew after that after that
he talk to me all the time. Then I realized
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that's my son. And once you know, you just talk.
Now it's right, you just go Joe.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So this is a recording she got of her son
Joey saying, ma I love you, ma, I love you.
I am certain that these are not going to be
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really easy for you to hear. I am hoping that
you hear a recording from a recording. If you're a
parent recording these EVPs, spending hours and hours and hours listening,
you have an advantage. Also if you wear headphones. We
have to use common sense, of course, and look for
the intelligence of the messages. I'm going to give you
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a few links now, just so you can always refer
back to the very first segment here again a transc
dot org. Also messages from the Big Circle dot Org.
The books There Is No Death and There Are No
Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, the book I'm Still
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Here by Martha Copeland. And if you make your way
to YouTube, type in Sherry Pearl EVP video. So we'll
go on to the break. We're going to hear more examples,
some of my experience and more. You're listening to Shades
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain.
I forgot to mention earlier. My heart goes out to
anyone who has lost a loved one. Of course, they're
not lost, they're still with us. As Martha Copeland says,
I'm still here it's the title of her book. But
I know how painful grief is, and I cannot even
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imagine the pain from a child passing. If you look
up Helping Parents Heal. That's a really good resource for parents.
And also of course come to me and my website.
I'll tell you about at the end, and you can
have a free copy of my book. And I have
much help on grief in that as well. So I'd
like to continue on with some stories from parents and EVPs.
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The next is Terry Dayner her story about her son Jeff.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
On April fifteenth, two thousand and five, Our son passed.
Jeff was in a tragic accident in La in an
automobile accident. Jeff had performed in the Shiners circus at
the Shriner's Auditorium in La Jeff was extreme the post
to all the cat they were like his kids. The
morning he passed, and the tiger you carry on his
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shoulders started to cry as if she knew what had
happened to Jeff. All the other cats started crying. They
cried all night they knew Jeff had passed. The following week,
after the memorial service, on April twenty first, two thousand
and five, Dave, his dad, and I were walking through
the cat barn. I had a small Jason hundred recorder.
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We were giving the cats closure stopping at each set
of cat cages. I had taken the recorder out when
walking through the cat barn and recorded cats puffering and
talking to me. After returning home, I got out the
little recorder and listened to all the cats puffering and rowing.
To my amazement, I hear Hi, Mom, Jeff, my son.
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I was so excited happy. Words cannot express how I felt.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I have that recording. I'll play it three times of
Jeff saying Hi Momi.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Hi Mom. I call it mana a godsend. I know
now that he is in a good place and that
one day I will join him there God willing. I
miss you, Jeff, I love you, WE love you, Mom
and Dad.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Next, I'd like to play some words from Vicky Talbot,
who was speaking at a com for ins in Atlanta, Georgia,
back in two thousand and six. Believe it or not,
I was at that conference and I was heavy duty
into recording EVPs at that time. So this recording is
Vicky Talbot as she's presenting at the conference. So it's
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going to make it a little bit more difficult to
hear it, but I think you can understand it.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
My son Braden and his best friend Jim were in
a kayaking accident and they actually never returned. That was
in March of two thousand and one. Then I started
hearing from him on my answering machine, surprisingly enough, saying
things like what up, and Jim came through saying I'll
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come again. We started taking spirit photography and thought every
single orb we got was Braiden or Jim, and then
we decided we'd explore electronic Voice phenomenon. So we looked
on a website and we found the American Association of
Electronic Voice Phenomena. I joined the Big Circle and right
after I joined the Big Circle and introduced myself and Braiden,
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they came back with, hey, we've heard from Braiden. We
have EVP mentioning Braiden, and they proceeded to pile them
on me and I thought, well, if they can get
him and he can come on my answering machine, then
I can get him. So I went out and bought
a recorder and started recording. This is one of my
first messages from Braiden, and I liked it because it
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had been quite a few years since we actually contacted
one another. It's a bit distorted, but it came along
with validating information that it was him.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
This first one is I missed you. I missed you.
Speaker 10 (18:51):
The next one, the next one is a good one.
This is for Martha from Kathy. I got it at
my house and Martha wasn't recording at the time, she
was too busy preparing for the conference a couple of
years ago. And I picked up Kathy saying brain turd.
And I immediately emailed Martha, and she emailed me back
and said, you're not going to believe this. But I
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was just telling my sister was at Donna Donna that
I was having a major brain heard about the conference.
So you'll hear Kathy say brain heard. And then at
the end, another female says awi and I don't know
what that means. I don't know who hurt whom.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
But.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
How And Braden likes to say that he loves us.
And here he is saying, I love mom, Mom. Here's Jim,
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and this is particularly typical of Jim's voice. It's from
the DR sixty, and the d R sixty has a
tendency to be a bit raspy. But here he's talking
to his mother and saying Mom. It's Jim with Braden
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and the next one, we're all the big circle. That
was a very strange sounding voice, and it came at
the end of a rather long clip of about nine
minutes and eleven seconds, and I had forgotten to turn
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the recorder off. Some of it was clear, but most
of it was Class C or worse.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Here's a female, this one she believes, says, hey, I
know Branden O.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Great. Great.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
That was done out at the lake and there was
no one else around. And we got a couple of
this same person speaking, that's that's me down at the cove.
That's where the boys set out, and I'm throwing a
rose out. We go down there quite often. Actually, earlier today,
we heard a couple of times about how this is
a miracle, and they like to let us know that
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the first one isn't all that clear, but they're saying, see,
it's a miracle, and then again miracles Michael, Michael, and
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I guess that's how I'd like to end. It is
a miracle.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
This form of communication definitely is a miracle. And if
you couldn't hear these examples, or you're of a skeptical
mind and you're not convinced, I have to tell you
I'm not trying to convince you. There are thousands of
people who work with EVPs, who have loved ones that
are in the other world that have gotten particular messages,
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and the more you listen, the more you'll be able
to hear them. Let's imagine for a minute that you
only spoke English. You don't speak the German language, and
if you hear people speaking German, it just sounds like
random noises. Well, once you learn German, and all of
a sudden you hear people speaking it, you may recognize
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some words. The same thing holds true with EVPs. I
use a digital recorder. I've not had any luck using
an iPhone. A lot of people use their computer. The
one lady said she got messages on an answering machine. Well,
we don't have answering machines too much anymore, but there's
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different ways they can communicate. What I have learned, or
that I believe, is that our loved ones take the
sounds within the recorder and they're able to rearrange the
sound into words. When I got my very first recording,
which I'll play for you in a moment, I was
recording rain drops. That was it. Nothing else was going on,
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just rain drops. I had really wanted to believe EVP
was real. I heard some great examples, but unless I
could hear it in my own device, I wasn't quite
buying it. So I held out my digital tape recorder
sitting on a bed alone in a cabin in the
woods the Omega Center in New York, and I just
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said to my loved ones, if you're here and this
is real and I'm meant to help people believe in
the afterlife, I need you to talk really loud, and
then I will say good night. So I recorded just
one minute. That's it, one minute recording rain drops, and
then when I played it back on second number forty six,
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this is what I hear. Now. I was talking to
my deceased grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, completely thinking I
was just talking to myself. And what I hear on
this recording is good night, Sandra in a man's voice,
then two women going good night, good night, and then
a man's voice good night. So let's listen. I sure
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hope you could hear that, but I know you may
not have. It's okay. We do the best we can,
right There needs to be some intelligence with the messages.
For instance, saying goodnight. I have spent some time on
YouTube and there's a lot of people that claim they've
gotten EVPs and they are what common Lisa Butler would
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call class C. Class A is something everybody can hear
loud and clear. Class B maybe not so much. Class
C is you definitely know something is there, but our
mind can make up words. So there are plenty of examples.
And they say it says one thing, my brain's saying
it says something else, So you really want to look
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for the intelligence behind it. Mom and dads know their kids,
They know their manner of speaking, they know the expressions
they use, so if they pick up on those, they
can make perfect sense. There are people out there who
supposedly get messages from long gone movie stars, and I
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don't quite buy it, because if a movie star wanted
to talk to somebody, chances are it would be somebody
in their own family, not just a random stranger. People
report these negative messages, well, that sells TV shows, but
I've learned the only messages that come through are messages
of love and quite often messages of humor, because we
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get to keep our sense of humor when we go
to the afterlife, when we come back. Well, here's some
words from Tom Butler, who created the a trans c
Association of Transcommunication with his wife Lisa. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 3 (27:55):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's Champlain.
And then the next couple of segments. We're going to
hear from Tom Butler. He and his wife run the
Association for trans Communication. But also I want to give
you some instructions if you want to start recording EVPs yourself.
We're trying to having that commitment and a regular practice.
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But first let's talk about this association. A woman named
Sarah Eastep actually started it back in nineteen eighty two.
It was founded as the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena.
In the year two thousand, Tom and Lisa Butler took
it over. The name ended up changing to Association for
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trans Communication because it's not just audios. There's pictures that
come through. If you followed my experiences with Sonya Andaldi,
you know that she's collected the EVPs and also videos
and pictures from the afterlife. So this whole world is
called trans communication, all right. So Tom in his background,
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he has been an electronics engineer for many, many years
in the communication industry, but for over fifty years he's
also been interested in the afterlife. He and his wife
Lisa are the authors of the book There Is No
Death and There Are No Dead, and also the book
Your Immortal Self. So many moons ago, I had an
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opportunity to talk to Tom, so I want to just play
for you some of the conversation.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It has been a long journey, but I'm most interested
in the fact that you really have made some changes Meat.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you. You guys continue to be on the path
to just finding out some phenomenal things and sharing them
in this world of transcommunication. Well, let's back up, because
some people have never read my book or know who
you are or anything like that. Can you give us
a little bit of the background of you, because I
believe I read some that even in your teens, you
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were interested in this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
My first introduction when I discovered I wasn't give me
the first man on the Moon. I like to say
that I kept looking at these in the science magazines
I read. I kept seeing these thoughts have wings, I
think it's said advertisements by the rosicrusions, and I finally
joined them in high school. That was my first introduction
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to formal introduction to the things paranormal, and it's been
often on every since. And as an engineer, my training
is and also my temperament is that you can't ignore
influences when you design a system, you have to pay
attention to every input and output otherwise, you know, and
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in some disponge you can get somebody killed by ignoring
the wrong inputs. And so when we come to the
study of things electronic voice phenomena or the visual forms
of it, you've got a whole bunch of different influences
that you have to model. And that's right down my alley.
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So after all these years of studying everything, when Lisa
introduced me to the EVP after she read the Airy
Step book, then it all became one big modeling challenge
to me. So that's kind of where we ended up
with in this new book.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Now, when you met Lisa back of the day, where
either of you into life after death or spiritualism or
any of that sort of thing, or did that come
after And.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
When we met this is eighty two, she was reading
Out on the Limb by Shirley MacLean, So we were
kind of into all that at the time. It was
kind of interesting. When you're going through your professional life,
you come and go with your interests as you pay
attention to work, and that was the same for us.
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And when we that we got married within a couple
of weeks actually, and you know, we've been around the
block a few times by Yeah, so we got married.
And it turns out that we got married just about
the day that Sara Eastip started the ae VP that
we took over. Looking back, and we've talked about this
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and the Note Dead book that we wrote together, that
it seems as if we've had free will, but it
seems like a lot of our choices have been exactly
leading us toward this, and so we do feel guided.
And even when I wrote this new book, I there
were a lot of mornings I woke up with, well,
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I got to change that chapter to this that kind
of thought. So the guidance and we're not unique, I'm not.
I'm just a really reporter in this. You're finding out
yourself that you can learn these abilities and they're really
something that they're in eight and all of us that
just that we're learning to pay attention and so we're
all guided. Let's look at EVP. We worked with it
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with quite a few people. We had one group within
our organization we referred to as a Big Circle, and
it was mostly mothers who had lost loved ones or
children to the other side, and they were trying to
use EVP to make contact, and some of them made
some very good contact and we were fortunate enough to
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have three or four members who would call or it
would be very confident practitioners. They were able to produce
EVP pretty much on demand, so we were able to
conduct some studies with it, and through the studies, we've
pretty well established kind of how it works, what does work,
and what doesn't work. And about the time that the
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big circle was winding down and people were moving on
in their lives and everything technique called radio sweep show
that showed up and it's become kind of a silver
bullet and everybody using it. I won't go into the
detail of how it's supposed to work, but basically our
research on it, our study of it pretty much convinced
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us that it doesn't actually produce electronic voice phenomena, although
the noise it produces sometimes is used for EVP, like
what we call transferm EVP. So anyway, the bottom line
is that we've learned kind of what VP and what
EVP is not and have used it as kind of
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a light lab rat to develop some pretty good series
of how transcommunication works.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Can we pack up just a little bit. It just
dawned on me that I'm assuming every person listening knows
exactly what EVP is. Can you just give a little
basic of what actually happens in angry that if.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
You anybody takes takes an audio recorder and gets into
an environmental situation, it's a quiet room where they know
what the noises are around them, and it helps to
have a little bit maybe a fan or something in
the background, a little bit of background noise. And it
also helps to kind of move the recorder around because
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you cause a little bit of noise. You're not not
the steady state noise of the fan, but just interrupted
noise with moving the recorder. And if you run a
recorder for three or four minutes and then listen back
to that very carefully, and you listen to the noise
in between your voice, it helps, by the way, to
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talk like ask questions, and in between your voice, you
look for the in the noise. It might take Lease
and I a half hour to review a three minute recording,
and you will sometimes find sound the noise that has
been transferred formed into voice like sounds if you listen carefully.
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In some places, what we'll call a class A, which
is a fairly rare class A. Example, you can clearly
hear the pronunciation of words, and usual there will be
one or two words and they'll tend to be garbled
towards the end. Like Lisa recorded one from her mother,
so you could clearly hear that was a woman who
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sounded like her mother. I was able to recognize a
voice without prompting, and it garbles off at the end,
so it says I miss you, Lisa, and the last
part of Lisa's name is garbled. But that's kind of
what we we find with EVP. It's not like mediumship
where somebody's giving you a message from the other side.
In this case, it's just you and that recorder and
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sometimes the voice is on it, and anybody should be
able to record it a voice, and it just takes
some patience, I think, and then a little bit of work.
Let's to it. We really want people when they work
with e v P, first of all, learn to do
it themselves rather than get somebody to do it for him.
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Don't use the some of the ghost boxes and you
know some of the modern technology. You just use background
noise in a recorder and the open the open to
alternative explanations. Always use I have people help you listen
to them in the sense of you ask, you know,
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a friend, what are you hearing this? Don't say do
you hear my name? Say what are you hearing? And
so in ours try to maintain an objective view, because
one of the things we've learned over the years is
that it's really easy to delude yourself, to fool yourself
into thinking something is there that's not when you can
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sometimes recognize the voice and things that say exactly true
for for your for your listeners. One of the things
is on the website a trans sat out or a
t R A n C dot org. We have a
white paper. It's fairly lengthy, but it has the background
of a VP. It has techniques and how to record
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a little bit about what is and isn't how to
listen to it. So there's a pretty good how to
manual that they can download.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What do you call the images that I think in
your book, your new book, there's images of people and
then they had a television screen. The television was turned off,
and then in the picture that's photographed in the background
you see partial faces.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Those are officially called faces on turned off televisions.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It's beautiful terminology.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I don't know. They're one of the phenomena that we
study that just doesn't fit any of the other phenomena.
It doesn't fit any of our models whatsoever. We have
a lot of cases there's almost always a child in
the picture and it's a situation and say, you know,
like Mama's taking a picture of b be doing something.
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There's a television set in the background and it's turned off.
Sometimes there'll be a face on that television set that
doesn't belong there. It's sometimes there'll be in color, it
might be reflected, but you know it's shaped out of
a reflective light. But television sets have a neutral density,
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and photograph shows up as a neutral density with a
little bit of optical noise in it, and it turns
out to be an ideal media for a phenomena. So
we're not sure exactly what it is, but it's worthwhile
for people to check their pictures, maybe pictures when there's
something reflective in the background, to see if there isn't
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a face in it. We'd love to get more examples
of that mailed to us.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
By the way, since I talked to Tom, many moons ago.
There is a lot with pictures, with recordings of how
to record with books, tons of information, good people, a
TRAMC dot org. So let's go to the break and
we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Stay right there.
Speaker 12 (40:15):
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Speaker 1 (40:40):
Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren
and you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
We're gonna have more fun in this episode because I've
got some phenomenal EVPs to play for you, and we're
also going to talk about how to record EVPs. Sounds exciting,
doesn't it. Now I've got some good news and some
bad news. Which one do you want first? Oh? I
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know you can't hear me, Sandra. I'm going to tell
you The good news is EVPs are absolutely possible for
all people to receive absolutely they are. The bad news
is it takes patience, it takes practice, and it takes commitment.
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You may not want to do or have the level
of commitment needed to do EVPs. I spoke earlier about
the Big Circle. All these years later, they still meet
on the first and third Thursdays of the month, eight
o'clock pm your time. People all over the world are recording.
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You can go to messages from the Big Circle dot
org to be a part of that. You can also
listen to dozens of EVPs recorded. Some people post EVPs
there and ask for assistance. What is this? What does
it sound like to you? I highly recommend it if
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you have that commitment. And I talk about commitment because
imagine you're on the other side and you find out, oh,
my loved one is interested in recording EVPs. I believe
there's some scientists and some mighty smart people that help
teach our people how to use their thoughts to rearrange
sounds on these recorders. So they go through a lot
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of effort. If you do it once and say, ah,
nothing's there, well who knows if there was or if
there wasn't. But when you make the commitment and those
in the spirit world know when you're going to record,
and they see how committed you are to it, they'll
be more committed on their side as well. The clips
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I'm going to play in just a moment are from
two highly committed people. First is Sherry Pearl. You can
go to her website. Let me spell it for you,
because it's not as it sounds, s h eeri p
er l. She has an awful lot of instruction how
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to do EVPs. She records them a different way. She
uses her computer and she uses what's called gibberish as
a background noise, so it really is chopped up voices
that you cannot understand. And she will have a conversation
with a loved one or ask for people in the
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afterlife to talk to her. She uses a program called Audacity,
which is free. In fact, she has all the instructions
on her website on how to do this. She plays
the gibberish, she talks to a loved one, perhaps asks
a question, waits for maybe ten or fifteen seconds without
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saying anything, and does it again, asks another question. What
I'd like to do now is play some of Sherry
Pearls captured EVPs in this first one, you'll hear Sherry
asking her son Danny, who is in spirit, to say
I love you, Ma, and you'll hear Danny say it.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Danny.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Can next see if you think this sounds like Adam?
Can you hear me me that? To me, this sounds
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like good evening. Sherry doesn't always use gibberish. She records
all kinds of things. This is her dog breathing, and
you can hear a very breathy I love you. One
(45:42):
last one from Sherry. She was looking to connect with
a Portuguese boy and she played Portuguese gibberish and he says,
I speak in English, says something to me in English
to let me know I should use this.
Speaker 10 (45:59):
I speak, I speaking, I speaking.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Next, we have some EVPs from Sonya Rinaldi. You remember
her from episode number one I hope. She is the
researcher in Brazil who we produced a movie about. You
can still see that movie that we Don't Die dot com.
This is her in touch with Murray in the afterlife,
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who passed at seventy seven years old from a stroke.
She is recording with Murray's wife, Betty Anne. So you'll
hear Sonia, can you speak a message to Betty Anne
and you hear Murray say, I say I've returned to you.
I love you. Can we speak a message to Betty in.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
I say I have a return to you. I you.
I say I have a return to you. I you.
I say I've a return to you. I.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I'm only going to play one more EVP and then
we'll get into the instructions. But this is my top
number one all time favorite. It brings tears of joy
to my eyes every time I hear it. Sonya was
working with a mom, her daughter, Stephanie, past of cancer
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at only nine years old. Sonya, you'll hear asks would
you like to leave a message to your mother? And
I think you're going to be able to hear what
her answer is, would you like to leave a message
to your mother?
Speaker 8 (47:42):
Mommy think time.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
If there's any doubt, that's mommy, I can talk.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
Mommy, think time, Mommy, think time, Mommy think in time.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yes, they can talk, and you know why because they're
still alive. Depending on when you listen to this, you
can join us live for a presentation with Sonia or
watch the replay of it. Go to We Don'tdie dot
com click on the store page. We're doing a two
hour event with Sonia for her latest work of capturing
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images and voices from those in the afterlife. You say
you're interested in recording EVPs. I would start with either
your computer or with a digital recorder. You can play
around with your smartphone. I haven't had any luck with it,
but you may. I like to put on water as
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a background sound, turn the shower on, and be relatively close,
but not right on top of the sound. I usually
do a little prayer, little meditation that I ask those
in the spirit world to work with me. I imagine
this vortex, almost like a tornado of energy that builds
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around me. I believe it helps add the necessary energy
for them to do their thing. So I take a
few minutes, five ten minutes, and just really create this energy.
I turn on the shower, I stand or sit maybe
ten feet away. I press the record button. I talk
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to my loved one short questions or something short to say,
and leave them ten fifteen seconds to respond. I keep
my recording short, literally a minute, because going through a
minute can take me an hour. Listening to the sounds,
(49:49):
your ears will most likely just pick up the sound
of the water running it's frustrating, but say to yourself,
there's something else here. Listen in for another sound within
the shower sound. Sometimes you hear a sound of a whisper.
I say, use that Audacity program. You can watch a
(50:13):
YouTube video or get the instructions from Sherry Pearl how
to use it. But you're able to highlight those few
seconds where you might hear something, and you're able to
play it over and over and over again, and the
brain can tell you exactly what those words are. Again,
we need to look for intelligence. Quite often you will
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hear I love you. Because if you go to the
spirit world and your loved one is doing EVPs, what's
the most important thing you want to say, It's an
I love you. There is something called paradolia, and that
is how our mind can turn clouds into faces, or
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people see the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.
It can also make up words out of sounds. It
can be frustrating because you may think you hear something
and it might just be your brain telling you what
it is. Again, you want to look for the intelligence.
If you say to your son or your daughter or
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your loved one, can you say I love you? And
all of a sudden you hear I love you, well,
that'll tell you that's a real EVP. It takes persistence,
it takes time, it takes passion, but it's absolutely doable.
I know for many people, just hearing other examples of
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EVPs is enough to let you know that this is
real and that your loved ones go on. They really do.
They want you to know they're alive and well as
much as you want to know they are. I really
hope this episode has made a difference for you. I
know researching EVPs has made a huge difference for me.
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And when I learned EVPs, that's when I chose to
come out with everything else that I've learned about the afterlife.
Our website is we Don't Die dot com. On that
front page, if you scroll down and you enter your
name and your email address, you get a free copy
of my book. It says you only get the first
(52:27):
few chapters. It's the whole book. Many people that listen
to this podcast are deeply grieving. Chapter ten is how
to Survive Grief. I recommend it wholeheartedly. You can read
that first. Join us on our free Sunday gathering. Take
a medium class so you know that you are a
divine soul who has these powers. And in closing, my
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name is Sandra Champlain. Each episode I really try to
make a difference so that you know that your loved
ones are still alive and that your life matters. I
really want to thank you for listening to Shades of
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a nie to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When I
(01:15):
woke up this morning, I had just had an incredible dream.
I was working one of my old catering jobs and
this handsome man showed up on the scene and he
said that he was a listener of every single one
of my podcasts. Now, in my original podcast, We Don't
Die Radio, I have four hundred episodes and here in
(01:37):
Shades of the Afterlife, well we are approaching one hundred
and fifty, so that is a lot of listening. And
he met me for the very first time face to face.
He worked the day with us this catering business, and
my mom gave me the seal of approval. She liked him,
and of course by this time, anybody who worked so
(01:59):
hard and listen to all my episodes, I thought, well,
maybe he's a keeper. Then I had the opportunity to
introduce him to my dad. Now Mom is still alive,
but Dad is deceased. What happened next was my dad
opening his arms to me, giving me the most real
(02:22):
and loving hug, as if he were still alive. I
don't know what happened to the possible boyfriend, but that
piece of the dream was so real to me that
that told me that was Dad saying hello and letting
me know that he loved me. Dreams are funny. Yes,
it would be nice to have a handsome man show
(02:45):
up who fell in love with me? Because of all
these episodes, But the important thing is the reality of
the most important part, and that was with my dad.
It was distinct from all the other parts of the dream.
When I woke up this morning, I actually felt like
I had just had a big hug from my dad.
Dreams are interesting when they are negative, that is our
(03:09):
subconscious at work. When they are real and you can
remember them, remember the love, it could be a big
smile on your face. That is a real visitation. I believe.
Where are we going to go today on this episode? Well,
I'd like to get into electronic voice phenomena a bit more.
(03:30):
Let you hear some examples and give you some ideas
how you can start recording. Why Because lately many listeners
have wanted to communicate with their loved ones. Now we
can communicate with our loved ones at any time. They
can hear us. The problem is we cannot hear them.
(03:51):
It's hard for us to trust when a song comes
on the radio that was our favorite song, hard to
trust that that's really our loved one. They may plant
some pictures and some memories in our mind that come
out of the blue, and it's hard to trust that
that's really them. I would like to introduce you to
some people who have had luck recording EVPs. The recordings
(04:16):
are a little bit older. I'm not sure if you'll
be able to understand the EVPs, so I will do
my best to tell you what I hear and then
we can go from there. I have a lovely book
in my hands called I'm Still Here, written by Martha Copeland,
(04:37):
and on the back of the book it says I'm
Still Here chronicles the compelling true story of a parent's
deepest pain losing a child and the remarkable healing journey
resulting in actual contact beyond life's veil. Despite the apparent
finality of death from an automobile accident, Kathy has managed
(04:59):
to try transmit messages to her mother and others via
audio segments captured on various voice recording equipment. Electronic voice phenomena,
or EVP, is just the process by which communications with
our deceased loved ones are possible. EVP is just beginning
(05:23):
to be understood, yet it has been experienced by people
all over the world since the advent of modern electronic devices.
Through the use of EVP, Martha discovered that friendships evolving
in the physical world are the result of our loved
one's efforts to contact us from the spiritual world. Story
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shared from other mothers in this book validates that we
belong to what our loved ones in the spiritual world
refer to as the Big Circle. The Big Circle includes
our loved ones in the spiritual world world as well
as their loved ones in the physical world here on Earth.
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After reading this book, you will never again be able
to view the world through just your physical eyes. You
will learn to see with your spiritual eyes as well.
Behind every tragedy, there is a divine plan that we
do not realize that we are actually learning and growing
from these tragedies. Through the use of EVP, we have
(06:25):
come to realize that our loved ones in the spiritual
world are trying to contact us, and it's time now
to remove the do not disturb sign off Heaven's door.
We'll talk a little bit more about the Big Circle
as we continue on, and also one website that I
(06:46):
think you should put at the very top of your
list if you're interested in recording. EVPs is a transc
dot org which stands for the Association of trans Communication
a transc dot Org. I'd like to play a short
(07:09):
clip now and you can hear Martha Copeland talking about Kathy,
and then we'll get into some other people and we'll
hear some EVPs.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
My name is Martha Copeland, and back in two thousand
and one, my daughter Kathy was involved in a terrible
accident with my niece Rachel. And after the accident, the
two girls made a pack that if one of them
should ever die, the one in the spiritual world would
come back and at the one in the physical world
know they were okay. Unfortunately, three weeks later, in December
(07:39):
twenty third, two thousand and one, my daughter was involved
in a fiddle accident. It was five months later that
my niece called me and she said, Aunt Martha, I've
got Kathy's voice on my computer. Naturally, I thought because
she was grieving, because they were cousins but also best friends,
she was just grieving, and you know, I said, Okay, well,
(08:00):
that's really wonderful Rachel. But then my sister got on
the phone and she said, no, you need to come
over here. It's Kathy's voice. So I went over there.
When she played the recording, could hear Kathy saying I'm
still here. And then there was a male voice that
followed saying, how do you know they can hear you?
And you can imagine how shocked and actually thrilled I
(08:21):
was to hear it. It was just unbelievable that I
could hear my daughter's voice again. Rachel told me about
the pack at that time that they had made, and
she started laughing, saying what Kathy at the time told her.
He said, if I should go first, I'm going to
write cat, Cat cat all over your computer screen. So
Rachel said she was in bed that night and she
said was thinking about the pack, and she started crying
(08:42):
because she missed Kathy. And she got out of bed
and she turned on the computer and found something about
EVP Electronic Voice phenomena, and she started trying to get
Kathy through the computer. And she tried for many, many
hours and didn't have any success. So she finally tried
one more time, and when she did, she got Kathy's
voice saying I'm still here. I had mothers that would
(09:04):
come to my house and they had lost children, and
we started recording together and when time, with much work,
each mother was able to get their child's voice and
the recordings. A mother in the group started emailing me,
Karen Mossey, and I started picking up herson, Rob's recordings,
his voice and my recordings. My recorders sometimes just mysterically
(09:28):
turned on by themselves. And one example is when I
left my house one time and I forgot Kathy's dog.
Dojah was in the house. When I returned home, he
hid me this huge miss I mean, gi gant it
mess in my house. And I picked up my recorder
and when I played it, I could hear Kathy's voice
saying Dojah no, like she's scolding the dog.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have the recording of Doja no, and I'm going
to play it for you three times. See if you
can hear it, dojah No. This next mom you're going
to hear from is Deborah Caruso. Okay.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
We were on vacation in Mexico and we had a
fatal clock crash. My son died and my daughter was
critically injured. My daughter was in a comra and when
she woke up, I had to tell her that her
brother died and her first words were, he can't be dead.
He speaks to me every day. I just was really
(10:31):
happy because I knew that he was around, and I
was always looking for signs that my son was around.
I would receive dimes, feathers, and actually, when you're a
mom and you're looking for a child, you accept anything
as a sign. And one day I took a picture.
It had three sevens on it, and I'm sure it
was a camera malfunction, but to me, it was a sign.
(10:53):
So I asked people their opinion, and someone had told
me as we were speaking about normal pictures, and she said,
you know, if you're talk into our recorder, someone might
answer you and you might be able to talk to
your son. My first reaction was, this can't be true.
So I went home and I turned on the sound
recorder of my computer. When I learned how to listen
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for voices, as you record more, you learn to hear.
I went back to my first recording and my son
was on it. He was the next voice speaking. So
after that I got little bits and pieces, and someone
came and said, speak to her a woman. Then I
heard MA, and then I knew after that after that
he talk to me all the time. Then I realized
(11:38):
that's my son. And once you know, you just talk.
Now it's right, you just go Joe.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So this is a recording she got of her son
Joey saying, ma I love you, ma, I love you.
I am certain that these are not going to be
(12:11):
really easy for you to hear. I am hoping that
you hear a recording from a recording. If you're a
parent recording these EVPs, spending hours and hours and hours listening,
you have an advantage. Also if you wear headphones. We
have to use common sense, of course, and look for
the intelligence of the messages. I'm going to give you
(12:34):
a few links now, just so you can always refer
back to the very first segment here again a transc
dot org. Also messages from the Big Circle dot Org.
The books There Is No Death and There Are No
Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, the book I'm Still
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Here by Martha Copeland. And if you make your way
to YouTube, type in Sherry Pearl EVP video. So we'll
go on to the break. We're going to hear more examples,
some of my experience and more. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
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am Heirinormal podcast Network.
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Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Hey, it's not your sky and you're listening to the
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Speaker 3 (14:28):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain.
I forgot to mention earlier. My heart goes out to
anyone who has lost a loved one. Of course, they're
not lost, they're still with us. As Martha Copeland says,
I'm still here it's the title of her book. But
I know how painful grief is, and I cannot even
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imagine the pain from a child passing. If you look
up Helping Parents Heal. That's a really good resource for parents.
And also of course come to me and my website.
I'll tell you about at the end, and you can
have a free copy of my book. And I have
much help on grief in that as well. So I'd
like to continue on with some stories from parents and EVPs.
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The next is Terry Dayner her story about her son Jeff.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
On April fifteenth, two thousand and five, Our son passed.
Jeff was in a tragic accident in La in an
automobile accident. Jeff had performed in the Shiners circus at
the Shriner's Auditorium in La Jeff was extreme the post
to all the cat they were like his kids. The
morning he passed, and the tiger you carry on his
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shoulders started to cry as if she knew what had
happened to Jeff. All the other cats started crying. They
cried all night they knew Jeff had passed. The following week,
after the memorial service, on April twenty first, two thousand
and five, Dave, his dad, and I were walking through
the cat barn. I had a small Jason hundred recorder.
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We were giving the cats closure stopping at each set
of cat cages. I had taken the recorder out when
walking through the cat barn and recorded cats puffering and
talking to me. After returning home, I got out the
little recorder and listened to all the cats puffering and rowing.
To my amazement, I hear Hi, Mom, Jeff, my son.
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I was so excited happy. Words cannot express how I felt.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I have that recording. I'll play it three times of
Jeff saying Hi Momi.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Hi Mom. I call it mana a godsend. I know
now that he is in a good place and that
one day I will join him there God willing. I
miss you, Jeff, I love you, WE love you, Mom
and Dad.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Next, I'd like to play some words from Vicky Talbot,
who was speaking at a com for ins in Atlanta, Georgia,
back in two thousand and six. Believe it or not,
I was at that conference and I was heavy duty
into recording EVPs at that time. So this recording is
Vicky Talbot as she's presenting at the conference. So it's
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going to make it a little bit more difficult to
hear it, but I think you can understand it.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
My son Braden and his best friend Jim were in
a kayaking accident and they actually never returned. That was
in March of two thousand and one. Then I started
hearing from him on my answering machine, surprisingly enough, saying
things like what up, and Jim came through saying I'll
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come again. We started taking spirit photography and thought every
single orb we got was Braiden or Jim, and then
we decided we'd explore electronic Voice phenomenon. So we looked
on a website and we found the American Association of
Electronic Voice Phenomena. I joined the Big Circle and right
after I joined the Big Circle and introduced myself and Braiden,
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they came back with, hey, we've heard from Braiden. We
have EVP mentioning Braiden, and they proceeded to pile them
on me and I thought, well, if they can get
him and he can come on my answering machine, then
I can get him. So I went out and bought
a recorder and started recording. This is one of my
first messages from Braiden, and I liked it because it
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had been quite a few years since we actually contacted
one another. It's a bit distorted, but it came along
with validating information that it was him.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
This first one is I missed you. I missed you.
Speaker 10 (18:51):
The next one, the next one is a good one.
This is for Martha from Kathy. I got it at
my house and Martha wasn't recording at the time, she
was too busy preparing for the conference a couple of
years ago. And I picked up Kathy saying brain turd.
And I immediately emailed Martha, and she emailed me back
and said, you're not going to believe this. But I
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was just telling my sister was at Donna Donna that
I was having a major brain heard about the conference.
So you'll hear Kathy say brain heard. And then at
the end, another female says awi and I don't know
what that means. I don't know who hurt whom.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
But.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
How And Braden likes to say that he loves us.
And here he is saying, I love mom, Mom. Here's Jim,
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and this is particularly typical of Jim's voice. It's from
the DR sixty, and the d R sixty has a
tendency to be a bit raspy. But here he's talking
to his mother and saying Mom. It's Jim with Braden
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and the next one, we're all the big circle. That
was a very strange sounding voice, and it came at
the end of a rather long clip of about nine
minutes and eleven seconds, and I had forgotten to turn
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the recorder off. Some of it was clear, but most
of it was Class C or worse.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Here's a female, this one she believes, says, hey, I
know Branden O.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Great. Great.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
That was done out at the lake and there was
no one else around. And we got a couple of
this same person speaking, that's that's me down at the cove.
That's where the boys set out, and I'm throwing a
rose out. We go down there quite often. Actually, earlier today,
we heard a couple of times about how this is
a miracle, and they like to let us know that
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the first one isn't all that clear, but they're saying, see,
it's a miracle, and then again miracles Michael, Michael, and
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I guess that's how I'd like to end. It is
a miracle.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
This form of communication definitely is a miracle. And if
you couldn't hear these examples, or you're of a skeptical
mind and you're not convinced, I have to tell you
I'm not trying to convince you. There are thousands of
people who work with EVPs, who have loved ones that
are in the other world that have gotten particular messages,
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and the more you listen, the more you'll be able
to hear them. Let's imagine for a minute that you
only spoke English. You don't speak the German language, and
if you hear people speaking German, it just sounds like
random noises. Well, once you learn German, and all of
a sudden you hear people speaking it, you may recognize
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some words. The same thing holds true with EVPs. I
use a digital recorder. I've not had any luck using
an iPhone. A lot of people use their computer. The
one lady said she got messages on an answering machine. Well,
we don't have answering machines too much anymore, but there's
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different ways they can communicate. What I have learned, or
that I believe, is that our loved ones take the
sounds within the recorder and they're able to rearrange the
sound into words. When I got my very first recording,
which I'll play for you in a moment, I was
recording rain drops. That was it. Nothing else was going on,
(23:22):
just rain drops. I had really wanted to believe EVP
was real. I heard some great examples, but unless I
could hear it in my own device, I wasn't quite
buying it. So I held out my digital tape recorder
sitting on a bed alone in a cabin in the
woods the Omega Center in New York, and I just
(23:43):
said to my loved ones, if you're here and this
is real and I'm meant to help people believe in
the afterlife, I need you to talk really loud, and
then I will say good night. So I recorded just
one minute. That's it, one minute recording rain drops, and
then when I played it back on second number forty six,
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this is what I hear. Now. I was talking to
my deceased grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, completely thinking I
was just talking to myself. And what I hear on
this recording is good night, Sandra in a man's voice,
then two women going good night, good night, and then
a man's voice good night. So let's listen. I sure
(24:48):
hope you could hear that, but I know you may
not have. It's okay. We do the best we can,
right There needs to be some intelligence with the messages.
For instance, saying goodnight. I have spent some time on
YouTube and there's a lot of people that claim they've
gotten EVPs and they are what common Lisa Butler would
(25:12):
call class C. Class A is something everybody can hear
loud and clear. Class B maybe not so much. Class
C is you definitely know something is there, but our
mind can make up words. So there are plenty of examples.
And they say it says one thing, my brain's saying
it says something else, So you really want to look
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for the intelligence behind it. Mom and dads know their kids,
They know their manner of speaking, they know the expressions
they use, so if they pick up on those, they
can make perfect sense. There are people out there who
supposedly get messages from long gone movie stars, and I
(25:58):
don't quite buy it, because if a movie star wanted
to talk to somebody, chances are it would be somebody
in their own family, not just a random stranger. People
report these negative messages, well, that sells TV shows, but
I've learned the only messages that come through are messages
of love and quite often messages of humor, because we
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get to keep our sense of humor when we go
to the afterlife, when we come back. Well, here's some
words from Tom Butler, who created the a trans c
Association of Transcommunication with his wife Lisa. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's Champlain.
And then the next couple of segments. We're going to
hear from Tom Butler. He and his wife run the
Association for trans Communication. But also I want to give
you some instructions if you want to start recording EVPs yourself.
We're trying to having that commitment and a regular practice.
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But first let's talk about this association. A woman named
Sarah Eastep actually started it back in nineteen eighty two.
It was founded as the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena.
In the year two thousand, Tom and Lisa Butler took
it over. The name ended up changing to Association for
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trans Communication because it's not just audios. There's pictures that
come through. If you followed my experiences with Sonya Andaldi,
you know that she's collected the EVPs and also videos
and pictures from the afterlife. So this whole world is
called trans communication, all right. So Tom in his background,
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he has been an electronics engineer for many, many years
in the communication industry, but for over fifty years he's
also been interested in the afterlife. He and his wife
Lisa are the authors of the book There Is No
Death and There Are No Dead, and also the book
Your Immortal Self. So many moons ago, I had an
(29:27):
opportunity to talk to Tom, so I want to just play
for you some of the conversation.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It has been a long journey, but I'm most interested
in the fact that you really have made some changes Meat.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you. You guys continue to be on the path
to just finding out some phenomenal things and sharing them
in this world of transcommunication. Well, let's back up, because
some people have never read my book or know who
you are or anything like that. Can you give us
a little bit of the background of you, because I
believe I read some that even in your teens, you
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were interested in this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
My first introduction when I discovered I wasn't give me
the first man on the Moon. I like to say
that I kept looking at these in the science magazines
I read. I kept seeing these thoughts have wings, I
think it's said advertisements by the rosicrusions, and I finally
joined them in high school. That was my first introduction
(30:23):
to formal introduction to the things paranormal, and it's been
often on every since. And as an engineer, my training
is and also my temperament is that you can't ignore
influences when you design a system, you have to pay
attention to every input and output otherwise, you know, and
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in some disponge you can get somebody killed by ignoring
the wrong inputs. And so when we come to the
study of things electronic voice phenomena or the visual forms
of it, you've got a whole bunch of different influences
that you have to model. And that's right down my alley.
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So after all these years of studying everything, when Lisa
introduced me to the EVP after she read the Airy
Step book, then it all became one big modeling challenge
to me. So that's kind of where we ended up
with in this new book.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Now, when you met Lisa back of the day, where
either of you into life after death or spiritualism or
any of that sort of thing, or did that come
after And.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
When we met this is eighty two, she was reading
Out on the Limb by Shirley MacLean, So we were
kind of into all that at the time. It was
kind of interesting. When you're going through your professional life,
you come and go with your interests as you pay
attention to work, and that was the same for us.
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And when we that we got married within a couple
of weeks actually, and you know, we've been around the
block a few times by Yeah, so we got married.
And it turns out that we got married just about
the day that Sara Eastip started the ae VP that
we took over. Looking back, and we've talked about this
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and the Note Dead book that we wrote together, that
it seems as if we've had free will, but it
seems like a lot of our choices have been exactly
leading us toward this, and so we do feel guided.
And even when I wrote this new book, I there
were a lot of mornings I woke up with, well,
(32:42):
I got to change that chapter to this that kind
of thought. So the guidance and we're not unique, I'm not.
I'm just a really reporter in this. You're finding out
yourself that you can learn these abilities and they're really
something that they're in eight and all of us that
just that we're learning to pay attention and so we're
all guided. Let's look at EVP. We worked with it
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with quite a few people. We had one group within
our organization we referred to as a Big Circle, and
it was mostly mothers who had lost loved ones or
children to the other side, and they were trying to
use EVP to make contact, and some of them made
some very good contact and we were fortunate enough to
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have three or four members who would call or it
would be very confident practitioners. They were able to produce
EVP pretty much on demand, so we were able to
conduct some studies with it, and through the studies, we've
pretty well established kind of how it works, what does work,
and what doesn't work. And about the time that the
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big circle was winding down and people were moving on
in their lives and everything technique called radio sweep show
that showed up and it's become kind of a silver
bullet and everybody using it. I won't go into the
detail of how it's supposed to work, but basically our
research on it, our study of it pretty much convinced
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us that it doesn't actually produce electronic voice phenomena, although
the noise it produces sometimes is used for EVP, like
what we call transferm EVP. So anyway, the bottom line
is that we've learned kind of what VP and what
EVP is not and have used it as kind of
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a light lab rat to develop some pretty good series
of how transcommunication works.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Can we pack up just a little bit. It just
dawned on me that I'm assuming every person listening knows
exactly what EVP is. Can you just give a little
basic of what actually happens in angry that if.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
You anybody takes takes an audio recorder and gets into
an environmental situation, it's a quiet room where they know
what the noises are around them, and it helps to
have a little bit maybe a fan or something in
the background, a little bit of background noise. And it
also helps to kind of move the recorder around because
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you cause a little bit of noise. You're not not
the steady state noise of the fan, but just interrupted
noise with moving the recorder. And if you run a
recorder for three or four minutes and then listen back
to that very carefully, and you listen to the noise
in between your voice, it helps, by the way, to
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talk like ask questions, and in between your voice, you
look for the in the noise. It might take Lease
and I a half hour to review a three minute recording,
and you will sometimes find sound the noise that has
been transferred formed into voice like sounds if you listen carefully.
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In some places, what we'll call a class A, which
is a fairly rare class A. Example, you can clearly
hear the pronunciation of words, and usual there will be
one or two words and they'll tend to be garbled
towards the end. Like Lisa recorded one from her mother,
so you could clearly hear that was a woman who
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sounded like her mother. I was able to recognize a
voice without prompting, and it garbles off at the end,
so it says I miss you, Lisa, and the last
part of Lisa's name is garbled. But that's kind of
what we we find with EVP. It's not like mediumship
where somebody's giving you a message from the other side.
In this case, it's just you and that recorder and
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sometimes the voice is on it, and anybody should be
able to record it a voice, and it just takes
some patience, I think, and then a little bit of work.
Let's to it. We really want people when they work
with e v P, first of all, learn to do
it themselves rather than get somebody to do it for him.
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Don't use the some of the ghost boxes and you
know some of the modern technology. You just use background
noise in a recorder and the open the open to
alternative explanations. Always use I have people help you listen
to them in the sense of you ask, you know,
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a friend, what are you hearing this? Don't say do
you hear my name? Say what are you hearing? And
so in ours try to maintain an objective view, because
one of the things we've learned over the years is
that it's really easy to delude yourself, to fool yourself
into thinking something is there that's not when you can
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sometimes recognize the voice and things that say exactly true
for for your for your listeners. One of the things
is on the website a trans sat out or a
t R A n C dot org. We have a
white paper. It's fairly lengthy, but it has the background
of a VP. It has techniques and how to record
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a little bit about what is and isn't how to
listen to it. So there's a pretty good how to
manual that they can download.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What do you call the images that I think in
your book, your new book, there's images of people and
then they had a television screen. The television was turned off,
and then in the picture that's photographed in the background
you see partial faces.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Those are officially called faces on turned off televisions.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It's beautiful terminology.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I don't know. They're one of the phenomena that we
study that just doesn't fit any of the other phenomena.
It doesn't fit any of our models whatsoever. We have
a lot of cases there's almost always a child in
the picture and it's a situation and say, you know,
like Mama's taking a picture of b be doing something.
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There's a television set in the background and it's turned off.
Sometimes there'll be a face on that television set that
doesn't belong there. It's sometimes there'll be in color, it
might be reflected, but you know it's shaped out of
a reflective light. But television sets have a neutral density,
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and photograph shows up as a neutral density with a
little bit of optical noise in it, and it turns
out to be an ideal media for a phenomena. So
we're not sure exactly what it is, but it's worthwhile
for people to check their pictures, maybe pictures when there's
something reflective in the background, to see if there isn't
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a face in it. We'd love to get more examples
of that mailed to us.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
By the way, since I talked to Tom, many moons ago.
There is a lot with pictures, with recordings of how
to record with books, tons of information, good people, a
TRAMC dot org. So let's go to the break and
we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
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Speaker 3 (41:07):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
We're gonna have more fun in this episode because I've
got some phenomenal EVPs to play for you, and we're
also going to talk about how to record EVPs. Sounds exciting,
doesn't it. Now I've got some good news and some
bad news. Which one do you want first? Oh? I
(41:31):
know you can't hear me, Sandra. I'm going to tell
you The good news is EVPs are absolutely possible for
all people to receive absolutely they are. The bad news
is it takes patience, it takes practice, and it takes commitment.
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You may not want to do or have the level
of commitment needed to do EVPs. I spoke earlier about
the Big Circle. All these years later, they still meet
on the first and third Thursdays of the month, eight
o'clock pm your time. People all over the world are recording.
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You can go to messages from the Big Circle dot
org to be a part of that. You can also
listen to dozens of EVPs recorded. Some people post EVPs
there and ask for assistance. What is this? What does
it sound like to you? I highly recommend it if
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you have that commitment. And I talk about commitment because
imagine you're on the other side and you find out, oh,
my loved one is interested in recording EVPs. I believe
there's some scientists and some mighty smart people that help
teach our people how to use their thoughts to rearrange
sounds on these recorders. So they go through a lot
(43:01):
of effort. If you do it once and say, ah,
nothing's there, well who knows if there was or if
there wasn't. But when you make the commitment and those
in the spirit world know when you're going to record,
and they see how committed you are to it, they'll
be more committed on their side as well. The clips
(43:22):
I'm going to play in just a moment are from
two highly committed people. First is Sherry Pearl. You can
go to her website. Let me spell it for you,
because it's not as it sounds, s h eeri p
er l. She has an awful lot of instruction how
(43:47):
to do EVPs. She records them a different way. She
uses her computer and she uses what's called gibberish as
a background noise, so it really is chopped up voices
that you cannot understand. And she will have a conversation
with a loved one or ask for people in the
(44:09):
afterlife to talk to her. She uses a program called Audacity,
which is free. In fact, she has all the instructions
on her website on how to do this. She plays
the gibberish, she talks to a loved one, perhaps asks
a question, waits for maybe ten or fifteen seconds without
(44:31):
saying anything, and does it again, asks another question. What
I'd like to do now is play some of Sherry
Pearls captured EVPs in this first one, you'll hear Sherry
asking her son Danny, who is in spirit, to say
I love you, Ma, and you'll hear Danny say it.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Danny.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Can next see if you think this sounds like Adam?
Can you hear me me that? To me, this sounds
(45:18):
like good evening. Sherry doesn't always use gibberish. She records
all kinds of things. This is her dog breathing, and
you can hear a very breathy I love you. One
(45:42):
last one from Sherry. She was looking to connect with
a Portuguese boy and she played Portuguese gibberish and he says,
I speak in English, says something to me in English
to let me know I should use this.
Speaker 10 (45:59):
I speak, I speaking, I speaking.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Next, we have some EVPs from Sonya Rinaldi. You remember
her from episode number one I hope. She is the
researcher in Brazil who we produced a movie about. You
can still see that movie that we Don't Die dot com.
This is her in touch with Murray in the afterlife,
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who passed at seventy seven years old from a stroke.
She is recording with Murray's wife, Betty Anne. So you'll
hear Sonia, can you speak a message to Betty Anne
and you hear Murray say, I say I've returned to you.
I love you. Can we speak a message to Betty in.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
I say I have a return to you. I you.
I say I have a return to you. I you.
I say I've a return to you. I.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I'm only going to play one more EVP and then
we'll get into the instructions. But this is my top
number one all time favorite. It brings tears of joy
to my eyes every time I hear it. Sonya was
working with a mom, her daughter, Stephanie, past of cancer
(47:25):
at only nine years old. Sonya, you'll hear asks would
you like to leave a message to your mother? And
I think you're going to be able to hear what
her answer is, would you like to leave a message
to your mother?
Speaker 8 (47:42):
Mommy think time.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
If there's any doubt, that's mommy, I can talk.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
Mommy, think time, Mommy, think time, Mommy think in time.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yes, they can talk, and you know why because they're
still alive. Depending on when you listen to this, you
can join us live for a presentation with Sonia or
watch the replay of it. Go to We Don'tdie dot
com click on the store page. We're doing a two
hour event with Sonia for her latest work of capturing
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images and voices from those in the afterlife. You say
you're interested in recording EVPs. I would start with either
your computer or with a digital recorder. You can play
around with your smartphone. I haven't had any luck with it,
but you may. I like to put on water as
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a background sound, turn the shower on, and be relatively close,
but not right on top of the sound. I usually
do a little prayer, little meditation that I ask those
in the spirit world to work with me. I imagine
this vortex, almost like a tornado of energy that builds
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around me. I believe it helps add the necessary energy
for them to do their thing. So I take a
few minutes, five ten minutes, and just really create this energy.
I turn on the shower, I stand or sit maybe
ten feet away. I press the record button. I talk
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to my loved one short questions or something short to say,
and leave them ten fifteen seconds to respond. I keep
my recording short, literally a minute, because going through a
minute can take me an hour. Listening to the sounds,
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your ears will most likely just pick up the sound
of the water running it's frustrating, but say to yourself,
there's something else here. Listen in for another sound within
the shower sound. Sometimes you hear a sound of a whisper.
I say, use that Audacity program. You can watch a
(50:13):
YouTube video or get the instructions from Sherry Pearl how
to use it. But you're able to highlight those few
seconds where you might hear something, and you're able to
play it over and over and over again, and the
brain can tell you exactly what those words are. Again,
we need to look for intelligence. Quite often you will
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hear I love you. Because if you go to the
spirit world and your loved one is doing EVPs, what's
the most important thing you want to say, It's an
I love you. There is something called paradolia, and that
is how our mind can turn clouds into faces, or
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people see the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.
It can also make up words out of sounds. It
can be frustrating because you may think you hear something
and it might just be your brain telling you what
it is. Again, you want to look for the intelligence.
If you say to your son or your daughter or
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your loved one, can you say I love you? And
all of a sudden you hear I love you, well,
that'll tell you that's a real EVP. It takes persistence,
it takes time, it takes passion, but it's absolutely doable.
I know for many people, just hearing other examples of
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EVPs is enough to let you know that this is
real and that your loved ones go on. They really do.
They want you to know they're alive and well as
much as you want to know they are. I really
hope this episode has made a difference for you. I
know researching EVPs has made a huge difference for me.
(52:07):
And when I learned EVPs, that's when I chose to
come out with everything else that I've learned about the afterlife.
Our website is we Don't Die dot com. On that
front page, if you scroll down and you enter your
name and your email address, you get a free copy
of my book. It says you only get the first
(52:27):
few chapters. It's the whole book. Many people that listen
to this podcast are deeply grieving. Chapter ten is how
to Survive Grief. I recommend it wholeheartedly. You can read
that first. Join us on our free Sunday gathering. Take
a medium class so you know that you are a
divine soul who has these powers. And in closing, my
(52:50):
name is Sandra Champlain. Each episode I really try to
make a difference so that you know that your loved
ones are still alive and that your life matters. I
really want to thank you for listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife,
wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for
listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network.
Host
Sandra Champlain
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