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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, and we'll discuss the reasons we now
know that our loved ones have survived physical death and
so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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home today with a cough and a cold that snuggled
under the covers, So today you're going to hear four
very interesting experiences, one shared death experience, and three near
death experiences. I'm going to let them do most of
the talking. Here's our first one. Meet Lisa.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
I'm Lisa Jones, and I am a former certified public
accountant for pricewaterhouse Ernstignon, and I also have had a
shared death experience which changed my life. On February twenty second,
two thousand and four, my husband passed away after a
long illness. He had been sick for seven years. He
had lymphoma cancer, and he was forty four when he
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passed away. The night that it happened. Actually, hospice had
been called that day, because up until then he didn't
even believe he was really dying. But he was incoherent
that morning and I called this doctor and so they said,
let's send hospice over. They actually evaluated him and said
that it'll probably be at least two to three weeks
before he passes.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
He's not looking imminent in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
I called his brother and best friend and they came over,
and it was the first time I really wasn't alone
in the house with him.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
At this point.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
We had two young children, they were one and three
when he was diagnosed and eight and ten when he died.
So after hospice came, my kids ended up leaving the
house that night. My son went to Ian's mother's house,
and my daughter went to her best friends. I went
and took care of Ian that evening. It was actually
the first time he had been given any pay medication
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or anything. I just kissed him on the head and
said good night, and then his brother came into the
room to take care of him. So I went and
slept on my daughter's bed, and before I fell asleep,
I prayed to the angels and just said, please help us.
There's no way out at this point. So I fell asleep,
and that's when basically two angels just came and escorted
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my soul out of my body and took me to
what I call heaven. It was the most beautiful place
I have ever been. There were rolling, gorgeous hills and
colors I've never seen. It's so hard to articulate because
I feel like we don't even have words to express,
but the light of the colors were so dynamic and
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so multi dimensional. I almost feel like here on planet
Earth we live in this kind of flat Stanley. I
don't know if you've ever heard of people setting around
this little flat Stanley doll to take on their vacation
or whatever, and you take photos with it, And that's
kind of what I feel like, like here on we're
living in this flat Stanley world where the colors are
just saturated, but there's.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
No light in the colors here.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
And then there was just such a wider range of
colors and like I said, there's no words to even
express what they are because we don't have them here.
And then in the distance there was this beautiful castle
like structure. Next thing I know, we were inside of it.
All of a sudden, I could hear choir singing, and
there were just like all these banners and all the corridors,
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and there was an announcement the Grand mister Ian Sharp
is about to arrive. As I was approaching down this corridor,
it was to the end of this balcony and I
could look down and I saw all these souls coming together.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
I can't describe what they looked like other than I just.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Knew it was Ian's soul family and that they were
so excited and they're like, oh my.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Gosh, he's coming, he's coming. He's almost here. He's almost here.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Then all of a sudden, there was this giant door
that started to open. You could almost hear it scraping
on the ground, and everybody turned oft the same time,
and just at that moment he started to walk through.
I saw him and the amount of unconditional love and peace.
I thought, I never want to leave this place. It's
just so amazing. And then right at that moment, there
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was a knock on my door.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Lisa, wake up, wake up.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Ian just took his last breath, and it was his
brother waking me up to let me know. Oh, and
that moment, it was like a trap door opened in
heaven and my soul fell back into my body, and
I remember just this thud back into my physical body,
and I bounced out of bed, and I was actually
excited because I saw where he was going. And yet
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I knew that was not like an appropriate response in
that moment, because my husband just died, and yet I
had all this excited feeling. To top it off, I
thought he was going to be going to hell because
he hadn't been baptized. I was very religious, and I
believed that because he was unwilling to be baptized, that
he literally was.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Going to go to hell.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
So that made it even more exciting to me that
he got to go to heaven. So I ran down
to our bedroom and his body was laying but it
wasn't him. It was just almost like a shell, and
I could just see that his soul was gone and
that he had gone to heaven. And I got to
witness that I have never heard of a shared death experience.
And I didn't know for years after that until I
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just randomly read a near death experienience book that talked
about shared death experience and I'm like, oh my god,
that's what I experienced.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
That I wasn't dead.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
It was all so similar, like the colors and the
unconditional love and just the excitement and beauty and the cleanliness.
That was the biggest thing, is just how clean it
is in that heavenly realm versus here. And then only
recently after I moved to Maui and I got involved
with the International Studies of Near Death Experiences, did I
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meet a man who wrote a book about shared death experiences.
And that's when I started hearing that they're now starting
to study shared death experiences. I was raised Lutheran, and
in fact It was traumatic because I was in a
parish where our youth minister ended up molesting a lot
of the girls in my confirmation class. When he took
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me to the basement, I knew something was going to happen,
and so I had the sense to get out before
anything did happen. I attribute that to the fact that
I read found out that I had a near death
experience when I was two weeks old, and this was
through a guided meditation. I was on a guided meditation,
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not thinking anything of where it was going to take me.
But the next thing I know, I remember being born.
I was adopted as a baby, and so after I
was taken from my birth mother, I was just in
a room for two weeks basically where caregivers would come
and feed me and take care of me. But I
also had colic, so I was crying a lot and
they were having a really hard time consoling me. And
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so what I saw in this guided meditation is that
one of the caregivers picked me up and shook me.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
I just popped out of my body.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
And so in this guided meditation, I witnessed again being
in heaven and I was just surrounded by all these
beautiful angels, it's going to bring me to tears, because
they just lovingly said, but you have work to do
on earth and you need to go back. So I
reluctantly went back into my body and it was a
few days later, but my adoptive parents that's when they
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picked me up up. I had the most loving mother.
I even told her as a four year old, like,
this was God's plan. You couldn't have babies, but another
mommy had to have me so that I could be
your babies. So because of that near death experience, it
makes so much sense because as a child, I saw energies,
I saw cowboys and indians outside my windows at night.
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I felt aliens come and like put medicine in my
mouth and poke my toes. When I was a little child,
my mom and dad, of course didn't believe me. But
now that I know about near death experiences and what
happens after you had one, that you do have these
sixth sense really elevated.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
That makes sense to me.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Why when I went down to the basement with my minister,
I knew that something bad was going to happen, And
then when he confessed to doing this to girls, I
stepped away from my religion.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But then when I got married and.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Had kids, I felt like they really needed that foundation,
so I became Episcopalian. I was totally in belief of
all the rules that the church said, that you have
to be baptized, and that there's heaven and hell and
all of this. And interestingly, when I went through the
Episcopal church and my husband was dying, I went for counseling.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
The minister tried to hit on me.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
So between the two ministers, but I realize now that
religion is just an organization where men come to power
generally men, and then sometimes take advantage of women. So
between that and then having my own connection with that
shared death experience, I'm like, I don't need this anymore.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I stepped away from the church. I walked away.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
So I am not a fan of organized religion any longer.
When people go to the other side, they actually get
to witness what they think their heaven is, because I
do think it would be jarring if I had gone
to the other side and I was in a Buddhist
temple or like a mosque or something like that. So
I do believe, And again I've interviewed a lot of
near death experiencers, and it seems to me that most
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people witness what it is that they are anticipating. I
don't believe in death. I think we just transition into
another realm. Whatever your current belief is. You just stepped
right through this thrushold and you're in the next realm
with that same belief system, and then it might unfold
from there. It just seems like that's a great way
to welcome them in.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I am not afraid of death.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I am, in fact looking forward to seeing how this
all ends, because I've witnessed so many different deaths throughout
my life as I'm a hospice volunteer and a dipth doulah.
In fact, a few years ago after moving to Maui,
it was like a Saturday morning with my phone just
looking out. All of a sudden, I get an alert
saying incoming missile from North Korea. This is not a test,
this is actually happening. Take cover, and I'm thinking, oh
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my god, I had no idea this is how it
was going to end.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I'm actually really excited.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I was ready to get in my car and go
to the beach and say bring it on.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
If I'm going to go that way, I want to
go quick.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I don't want to like have the radiation poisoning or
whatefter the fact. And meanwhile people were driving off the
road and breaking out about the whole thing. But again
from interviewing near death experiencers, every one of them says,
like before impact in a car accident or if they
were falling or freezing to death or whatever their circumstances was,
their soul pops out before the impact. So they don't
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feel the pain, they don't experience that. So I trust
that that'll happen with me too. Am I doing the
work that I'm here to do. I feel like I'm
leaning in.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Closer and closer.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Part of it is literally sharing my experiences with people
just to help them whatever they're going through. A lot
of times I get feedback from people that it really
helps to know that these stories exist and it can
help them. So I'm leaning into being an eternal love
and Abundance coach, which is helping people as they are
on their journey here on earth, and if that's connecting
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with their past away loved ones, if it's figuring out
why they're stuck in life.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I've had so many experiences through these shared death experiences
and talking about near death experiences and cultivating relationships on
the other side, I call my heavenly husband. He's been
helping me for twenty years. He talks to me, he
guides me, he helps me. My mom is the same way.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Rom Dass, who was a spiritual leader here on MAUI,
I had a shared death experience with him and he's
guiding me at all times.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
So I am.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Here to now help people literally connect with their loved
ones and cultivate that relationship so it's not over.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
When they die.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
It's just a new experience of a relationship with their soul.
It's super exciting, it's super fun, and yeah, I feel
like I'm on my path.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Lisa, it sounds like you definitely are on your path.
If you want to find out more about Lisa, you
can visit her website, Being of Love and Light dot com.
If you scroll back through past episodes, lots of talk
on shared death experiences. The two that come to mind
are with doctor Raymond Moody and then also William Peters.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
It's time for.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Our first break and we'll be back with three experiences.
You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
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to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're going
to jump right in with the near death experience of
Bubba Herrick.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I was a baseball player. And if anyone would have
asked me before my experience what I did or who
I was, that was the only answer I could ever
come up with was baseball player. I am a baseball player.
So I was playing baseball at this little tiny school
in Jacksonville, Florida, called Jacksonville University, and it was my
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freshman season, and I had good hopes for my career.
I was playing at the Division one level, which was
the highest level of amateur baseball that there was before
the professionals. I was just playing in high school on
the number two ranked team in the entire country. So
I thought that my track was I'm going to play
major league baseball. So It's my freshman season at Jacksonville
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and I have an elbow injury and I'm heading in
for surgery on my elbow. The surgery is often referred
to as Tommy John surgery in the baseball world. And
I get into the hospital for my pre operation checkup,
and the nurse she wanted to ensure that I was
able to be operated on, so she was asking me
all these types of questions, one of which was are
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you allergic to anything? And I didn't know the answer,
so I said no. So fast forward to the next day,
I'm going in for my surgery and my surgeon says, Okay,
here's how this is going to work. You're going to
lay on this hospital bed in your hospital down and
we are going to hook you up to this iv
We're going to put the anesthesia through your ivy so
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that way you don't feel a thing during surgery. By
the time we get into the operating room from where
we are now, you'll be out, you'll be unconscious, and
you'll be back on the field before you know it.
So that's what he did. He wheeled me into the
operating room. I was supposed to be under anesthesia, but
I wasn't. I just felt like I was completely awake
and conscious. From my perspective, I was like, well, maybe
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it just hasn't hit me yet, so I'm not going
to say anything. So the doctors are confirming with one
another that I'm ready to get operated on and they
grab their tools and they're about to cut into me,
and from my perspective, I'm like, I'm still awake. This
is really gonna hurt. So I started to, I guess
you could say, get a little bit afraid. And then
in the flash of a second, I was just watching
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the entire scene from above. I watched from above as
my body turned like a lifeless blue and then a
bruise like purple, and then I watched as my heart
monitor went from B to B. I was immediately thrusted
into this life review where I saw my entire life
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on like a panoramic three hundred and sixty degree screen.
But I also had the ability to enter the life review.
So it's like I was watching a movie, but I
was also in the movie, and I was experiencing my
life review from the perspective of all of the characters
of the movie. So it wasn't just my life. I
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was also experiencing my life from others perspectives. I'll give
you an example. I was probably four or five years old,
and my dad used to discipline my brother and I
with a belt. That's how he would discipline us. And
my brother's four years older than me. So from my
perspective as a kid, obviously I hated that and I
don't condone that at all, and I don't think it
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was right. But my entire life until I had this
near death experience, I absolutely shaded him for it and
I would never, ever, ever forgive him for it. In
this life review, I was able to actually experience those
beatings from my dad's perspective, and from his perspective I
had never known, but he thought what he was doing
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was right. He was like, you know, my kids need discipline,
and this is what I believe discipline to be. So
from his perspective, I got to understand that because of
the life review, he was coming from a good place
and he was actually trying to express love to my
brother and I. So I was able to experience memories
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like that and just every single memory of my life
in all types of detail and clarity. It was just incredible.
And the last memory of my life review was one
where it just stuck with me. I don't know. My parents'
divorced when I was eight, and after that a man
entered my mom's life. His name was Mike. He was
just what I needed from a father figure. He didn't
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discipline us in the same way. He was just very
loving and nurturing and gentle. And anyways, we played this
beautiful basketball game one time when I was twelve. I
don't know why it stuck with me my entire life,
but it did, and in the life review I was
able to experience it again. It was just beautiful. It
was a good way to end my life review. That said,
after that memory and my life review was done, I
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couldn't help but feel angry with myself and upset at
myself for how I decided to live my life. And
I was afraid of what was next. You know, I
wasn't ready to die, and there are so many reasons
to that at the time. You know, I didn't believe
in an after life before my experience, so that contributed
to it, but also the way in which I lived
my life. It was just I don't know, I just
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wasn't happy with it at that time. It sucked because
I couldn't do anything about it. After my life review,
so after the fear and the anger subsided, I was
transferred into this place that was just indescribable by words.
It was like I was viewing it from the perspective
of the inside of a diamond. It was just serene
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and crystally and there were refracted combinations of light that
just formed one universal color. It just beautiful. And in
this place, the voice in my head that was beating
me down about how I lived my life after my
life review, it didn't exist. I didn't have this voice
in my head. I just was. I was pure presence,
pure bliss, unconditional love. I was in this place for
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what felt like forever before a strange, distant figure appeared.
As I approached this distant figure, immediately I was passed
a basketball and I began to play this basketball game
with this strange figure who happened to be my stepdad, Mike.
It was a recreation of the moment I just saw
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in my life review, just moments ago or however long ago,
I don't know. I didn't have any concept of time.
In fact, time and I felt like we were the
same thing. So anyways, Mike and I played this beautiful
game of basketball, which lasts forever, it feels like, And
I'll mention that neither of us had a body or
in ability to speak words, because there was no use
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for either of those things. We both like, I don't know,
it's so hard to describe, but we both just knew.
We just knew that we were playing a game of basketball,
and we didn't need a body, and we knew what
each other was thinking, so there's no need for real communication.
But anyways, after the beautiful game of basketball, which lasted forever,
Mike slowly like stepped away from me, and his tone changed,
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and if words existed, this is what he would have said. Essentially,
what he said was, Okay, play time's over. Let's get serious.
There's a reason that you're here, and there's a reason
that I'm here. I'm here because I know how you
felt after your life with you. I know that you
desperately wanted a second chance. Well I'm here to present
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to you that second chance. But if you take the
second chance, you have an obligation and a responsibility to
live out your great purpose. That's what he called it
was a great purpose. So it didn't feel like I
had much of the decision, and I made my decision,
and right when I did, he disappeared and I was
face to face with myself on the operating table. Was
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as if a glass panel was separating me from up here.
And me from the operating table, and I watched as
the doctors injected me with the shot that saved my life.
And I woke up on the table and I was
punching the doctors because I was fighting with myself about
the decision I had just made to come back because
that place was so perfect. After I had been revived
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and I was on drugs sedated from them bringing me
back to life, I was just viewing a bunch of
words and I had recounted the story to my mom,
and obviously she was like, Oh, that's just the drugs talking.
You're you know, you're not telling the truth. But the
nurse overheard it, and the nurse was like, wait a second,
that's real. Those are called near death experiences. She didn't
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go into too much detail, and if she did, I
can't really remember it. But I heard it. My mom
heard it, and we were just like, oh, that's cool.
But we had no concept of MDes. We thought a
near death experience was like when you almost die, you know,
maybe a car almost hits you or something. That's what
we thought a near death experience was. After the near
death experience happened, I just returned to my life as
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it was before. For a long time, like I returned
to baseball, I returned to I don't know, listening to
the voice in my head directing and guiding my life.
So for a long time I kind of just brushed
it off, as if it was just a dream, but
as if that didn't actually happen. At first, I didn't
want to admit it to myself that that was real,
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because if I did, that would mean I'd have to
change my entire life and my entire identity, because my
identity was built around the voice in my head, and
when I was in that place, the voice in my
head didn't exist, and it felt as if I was
the real me. So the question that I was afraid
to answer was if I'm not the voice in my head,
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then who am I. The weight of that question, especially
for me, I was only nineteen when it happened, it
was just too much for me to bear. So I
tried to sleep it under the rug as long as
I could, But I couldn't unsee or unexperience what I
saw and experienced. So it became real to me that, like, yeah,
the afterlife is real, and it was more real than
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here the life that I lived before was built around
the idea that the voice in my head was me.
So when I came back, I tried to fit myself
back into that box, but it felt like I was
trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
It just didn't work. So my entire life change. What
I wanted to do with my life change, My ambitions
and dreams and goals changed, and my personality changed. You
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know how athletes carry themselves just like very egotistical and
I'm better than you and I'm God's gift to this
earth type thing. And after this experience, I was just
humbled to the core because number one, I didn't believe
that death could actually happen to me, and so that
was really like shocking, like, oh my gosh, this is real.
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And then two it was like I'm not God skifts
to Green Earth. You know, I'm just a regular guy.
I don't play baseball anymore. I did come back for
quite a few years after, but a few things happened.
You know, I just didn't love the game anymore. And
because of the fact that I didn't love the game,
my performance on the field was really bad and I
just fell out of love with it. But I will
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say that I am re entering the game as a
coach because it does mean a lot to me, and
it gave me a lot and it taught me a lot,
so I'd like to give back to it. It's okay
to trust in the idea that death is not scary,
and you can use that to live a life without
fear and to do good for this world, because someone
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is going to inherit the world that we leave behind,
and it is our job to teach whoever is going
to do so that same concept that death is not scary,
to have faith and to put your trust in some
higher power because we can't do it alone. And right
now things seem like they're scary, and right now, more
than ever, I think we just need a lot of
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faith and a lot of love.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Faith and love are definitely needed. And don't take that
little voice in your head's words so seriously, it's out
for its survival, not necessarily yours. It's not speaking the truth.
Quiet the mind and tap into that truth. Buba is
busy writing his book, so we wish him well on that.
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Let's go to the break and we'll be back with
another near death experience. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and cost to cost Am Pirinormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife, Sandra Champlain. Next,
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we'll hear Anastagia's near death experience.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
In December of twenty nineteen, I had an invasive dental
procedure done and it had required me to be sedated
and have medication that I've never had before. The dentist
started to preparations, put a mask over my face, and
I started taking in Knights's oxide, and as the dentist
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then went on to prepare some of the other things
in the room, kept getting this really strange feeling, the
sensation starting to come over me. It was like I
was lifting up out of my body when I was breathing,
and then I would fall back down again, and then
I would lift up and I'd fall back down again.
As is continued, it wasn't subsiding, and I was getting
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a little bit concerned, and having never done this before,
I didn't know if it was normal or if it
was something that I should raise to the dentist. So
I just kept quiet because I didn't want to disturb
the dentist. And as it started to continue, it got
to a point to where I really felt like I
was coming way out of my body, and I came
back down and I thought, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
I probably need to say something.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
And in the next breath, I'm no longer in the
dental chair, but I'm now up in the ceiling looking
down at myself in the chair. And now it's so
hard for me to explain everything from this point on
because what I experienced was outside of time. There was
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really no feeling or sensation of time like we experience
here where one thing after another happens. It's more like
everything all happened simultaneously, and I can just try to
explain it like one thing happened after another, but it
really felt like it all happened at one time. And
so I'm looking down at my body and I'm thinking.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
What am I doing up here?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
And in that moment I realized something so profound. It
was like a flash of an epiphany, and I thought,
I just said what am I doing up here? I
didn't say what am I doing down there where my
body is?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
I said what am I doing up here?
Speaker 8 (28:16):
With whatever it was that I was at that time
in the ceiling, that part of me.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That was then.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Looking down at my physical body and I went, oh,
my gosh, we are not our bodies. And then my
very next thought was am I dead? And just like that,
I slipped over and I am now like inches away.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
From the ceiling.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
This is so interesting because if you remember being a
little kid and seeing something for the first time, and
I'm not talking about like something really ordinary, I'm talking
about an eclipse or something that you've never seen before
that just takes your breath away. I was looking at
all these little d tails in the ceiling and I
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found them absolutely beautiful and miraculous, and I remember the
little particles of dust and the little cracks and just thinking,
that is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.
And just like that, it was like I blinked or
a lens came down over my face and I was gone.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I was out of the room.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Now at this point, I opened my eyes and what
seemed like a flash, like it was really almost like
a blink, and I am in absolute It's a void.
It's like it's nothing, but it's everything.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
This feeling that I have is I am in.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Complete and total oneness in this place. This is where
it gets really really hard to try to describe each
piece because it all blended together as one. But I
had this feeling that wherever I I was one. I
didn't wonder where I was, I didn't worry about where
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I was.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I didn't even really.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Have much recollection about the physical body that I just
came from. I knew who I was, that I had
an individual sense of self. I remember that, But I
remember so clearly that I was a part of this
what I call a oneness in this void. Now I
call it a void, but the better way to describe
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it is like it's a void.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Of anything that isn't complete.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
It felt like everything in this place was absolutely complete.
Everything that was to ever be known all existed there.
Every soul experience, every soul was absolutely a part of this,
and any experience that any of us have ever had
through any soul experience was all accessible there.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
It was a place of absolute knowing.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Just like the time didn't exist when I was back
in the room but hovering over my body, time didn't
exist here at all either.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
I've tried so hard.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
To find the words to describe some of these pieces,
because we just don't have a vocabulary for something like this.
We don't live our day to day lives feeling at
one with everything. We don't walk past our mailbox and
feel like we're one with the mailbox. It's just not
the way we live our lives. So we don't have
a real vocabulary to describe these kinds of experiences. But
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it was as if I was one with everything, and
that there had never been anything but.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Being one with everything.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
And because of that, it felt like and it gave
me this sensation that I could look through the eyes
of every single soul that had ever existed, through all
time and through any experience ever, and that all I
had to do was just shit my awareness to something
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and I would be able to.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Know it now.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
As I was picking up this like sensation that I
was connecting to tumping so big.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
I wanted to know everything.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I remember wanting to know this and wanting to know
that because there was still this part of me that
had my individuality, and then there was this part of
me that was connected to this oneness, to this everything,
and I couldn't ask a question, no matter what I
would try to do, I couldn't form a question. All
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I could do was be curious about it. It feels
to me that when I reflect back on that, the
reason I couldn't form a question is because everything was
already known.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
It would have been impossible for.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
There to have been a question, because if there was
a question, that would mean that something's not answered. And
in this place, everything was answered. Everything was already known,
every outcome already complete. As I was taking this in,
I felt myself expanding, if you will. As I was
taking in all of this knowing, it felt like it
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was gaining like an acceleration or.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
A momentum, and it was getting.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Bigger and bigger and bigger, and all of a sudden
it stopped and I was back in the dental chair again.
At this point, it was like I kind of felt
like I had a foot in two worlds. It felt
like I was still back in the void, and it
felt like I was in the dental chair and the
dentist was there.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
He had his hand on me.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
He's like, are you okay? And I remember hearing his words,
I remember knowing what he was saying, and I remember
responding with like, yeah, I'm okay. But my interest was
not in the dentist at all. Where before this whole
thing started, I was so concerned about what was happening
with me when I was starting to float above my body.
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That was good, on that concern out the window. At
this point, all I wanted to do was hold on
to that connection that I had, because it seemed like
it was like an aperture.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
And as time was going when I came back.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
It was closing down, and all of that knowing, all
of that access to everything was slipping away. It felt
like it was just slipping through my fingers and I
was grasping and I wanted to hold on to absolutely
everything I could possibly hold on to, but there was
nothing I could do.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
The connection was closing.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Of all the things that I brought back, I wish
I would have brought back all of the knowing, but
I brought back some really specific things. I feel like
I still have somewhat of a foot in that place still,
like the door is like cracked open. It hasn't completely closed,
but I don't have that intimate connection that I had
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when I was there.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
When I was in the dental chair, and when.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
I came back, I immediately thought, Okay, we are not our body.
That is so obvious. We are so much more than
our body. And I use the word soul because I
don't have a better word. There may be a better
word that really represents the part of us that is
more than our physical body. But without having a better word,
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I'll use the word soul. That we are a soul
in a physical body, and that our physical bodies are
nothing more than like a sensory tool for us to
collect sensory information about the physical experience, and that it
gets shared at the soul level, because the soul ultimately
wants to have a direct physical experience and to be
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able to create here in a physical life.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
The soul is absolutely complete. That part of me that.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Went into this boy, that went into this oneness was
absolutely complete. That's been something that, without a doubt, was
so clear to me. But it was also clear to
me that with that completeness, it also meant in that
place that I was at, there was no good or bad.
There is no right or wrong. There are no lessons
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to learn in the physical life. Now, how you live
your life here in a physical world absolutely is going
to have a good or a bad sensation for you,
depending on your experience. If you experience something traumatic, it's
not going to feel good. If you experience something blissful,
it's going to feel great. But those actions as they
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translate to the other side, did not translate in my
experience into anything that meant that you would be judged.
And that judgment is not like a sorting tool. It's
not like the Harry Potter sorting hat. Right, You're not
going to go into this place or this place depending
on your actions. It was really about you reconnecting to
this part of you that you've always been connected to,
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but you didn't have the ability to bring it into
your physical body for whatever reason. So when you connect
to that oneness on the other side, you have the
ability to create these experiences that you want to have
in the afterlife. The connection of oneness, of bliss, of
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peacefulness in this place is unlike anything I have ever
experienced in this physical life. But I understood that it's
not like we're trying to check boxes here to get
into an afterlife that we ultimately want to have forever
and ever and ever. It felt very much like we
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are learning to bring that bliss that's a part of
us at the soul level into our physical experiences.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Powerful words and to remember we are all connected. Time
for our break and Welcome back with a very different
near death experience listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Thank you for joining me on my sick day. My
voice might sound a little funny, but the passion to
share great evidence of the afterlife is still with me.
The last voice you heard was Anastasia. You can find
out more about her at the website The Healingheart dot com.
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She is a founder of a wellness studio in Illinois.
I'm struck by these words from Bubba, how we are
not that ego mind, that we get to love that
go and just be our pure soul self on the
other side, And from Anastasia that we are all connected,
so we might think a little differently dealing with people, animals, objects, whatever.
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And from Lisa in the first segment, she shares her
belief that near death experiences are comforting to your own beliefs.
The next story is Jim Bruton, who is a pilot
and I know pilots, having both a brother and a father.
Airline pilots with very analytical minds. So this is quite
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a different near death experience, but it makes sense knowing
Jim's a person who likes to understand how things work.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
My name is Jim Bruton, and on October six, twenty sixteen,
I was in a really bad plane crash. I ruptured
both lungs, I broke all my ribs, I broke my
right leg and multiple plays, had a hole in my
lower back from a battery breaking loose and hitting me.
And luckily there was a man fishing nearby a lake
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where I was aiming for who was able to come
over keep me propped up, called nine to one one
and got a medical helicopter and to pull me out.
Once the helicopter landed, extracted me and took me up
to Hartford, Connecticut's Trauma Center to a waiting team of physicians.
They were able to put me into a breathing machine
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and put breathing tubes down my throat and then contact
my family. When my family got there a few hours later,
they found me, you know, barely hanging on. I had
escaped my restraints once and they'd put me back in them,
and it was decided to put me into a medically
induced coma once they did, I teleported. It was no
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tunnel I was going through like it was commonly reported,
I literally teleported to this terrace of a tall, gray
building in a post apocalyptic landscape. Imagine a city like
New York a thousand years after a meteor strike or
a nuclear blast, and just how horrible that would look.
And I was also underneath these tremendous storm clouds that
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looked like they were just ready to cut loose again
with the Mother of all storms. But I wasn't afraid.
There was no sense of foreboding. I was just taking
it all in and excepting this is where I am
right now. All of a sudden, I was hit by
this wave of nausea in my stomach, and I doubled
over in pain and grabbed my stomach and I said,
I don't think I can stand this. And when I
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said that, I heard this light clacking sound off to
my left, and I looked over and saw what looked
like maybe a four story tall sculpture of an egg
made out of lattice work, meaning there were a lot
of open spaces in it, and I can see through it,
and within those open spaces I could see these slight movements.
So I was able to make my way over to
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this egg and look through the open lattice work to
its interior, and then I saw these hovering in space,
freely suspended, little gears spinning around. Now, when we think
of a gear, we think of a circle with teeth
all the way around it. These particular gears were called
sector gears, and they're partial arc of that gear. You
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usually find them in clocks, and they have a beginning
in the middle and an end to their sweep, and
that's significant in a certain way. As I looked at
these gears, I could see that some were definite and
some were not, and they could pass through each other
like ghosts. They were also very hard to focus on.
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I think it's because they represented probabilities. And for that,
I'm saying, when I looked at them, even though they
might not be in focus, a video feed would play
inside my head of what they represented. I would see myself,
maybe as an older man, or I'd see my children
with their children. So I realized these are events in
my future, hence that they should be slightly out of
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focus because their probabilities. Because each moment is a decision
point of a million possibilities, and as I looked at it,
I remember thinking, okay, what is this thing? And with that,
this disembodied voice came and kept me company the entire time.
It said, this is the future, berthing into the now,
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this is the process of becoming. And my fingers, as
I reached through the lattice work to see if I
could touch them, brushed by one of the more solid
appearing gears. And as I touched it, within my mind
I could see something like a video feed of those
future events. And that's when I doubled over in pain.
Obviously this was a gear that was not good. And
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then with a reflex, I ripped that gear out, pulling
it through the egg's lattice wall to throw it over
my shoulder. And the machine then responded by spinning all
those gears around again to recalibrate for missing one. And
I said, what's happening now? Each gear is the probability
of a word or action in your future. Your destiny
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is resetting itself around what you have removed. I said,
how did I know I could do that? Pull that
gear out, removing that future moment? And I said, why
else are you gear? I said, I have no idea.
I don't even know what this place is. And I said,
you are in the end between. I said, in between
what I said, everything the impossible now between the past
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and the future. It's impossible, and its short duration, yet
it expands across universes. You are standing in the side
of an eternity, of a single moment. And then it
asked me, do you remember the world do which your
body belongs? I thought really hard, and I said, I
have no idea. I said, then you see the truth
and how the past is dust. I said, okay, why
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do some of these gears, these futures that I touch,
make me sick and not others? And I said, all
choices have unintended consequences, some unfortunate and some not. The
pain each brings is your guide. And I said, where
are the gears that feel good? He said, You're not
here to feel good. And then I saw more gears
emerge within view, some passing through the others, Several clear
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and definite, many less so and hard to focus on,
though all bringing with them their clear images of meaning.
Each time they would come to rest, I would search
around in there until I found one that caused me pain,
and I would remove it, the one that would be
to my future detriment. And at one point I looked
at the growing pile of gears and I said, it's
starting to look like if I don't have a bad future,
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that have no future at all. Even though I'm now
starting to feel less pain, am I going to die
sooner from doing all this? And they said, your destiny
has to fit itself around futures that aren't meant to be.
Your number of breaths are already counted, I will worry
about your last one. I said, I don't know how
comforting that is. And they said, eliminating bad choices doesn't
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mean you want to make wrong ones. You won't know
there wrong until after they pass. And since right and
wrong are variables over which you have no control, the
answer is to what come tomorrow are a waste? Better
is understanding the beauty of how things fit and refit together.
I said, So what am I missing here in my
lack of understanding? I said, what is clearly before you grace.
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No one deserves salvation, but it can only be given
by grace. It's your birthright that it has to be
chosen at the expense of the world, that separates us,
and I said, this fixing my future is painful, and
I feel ashamed. I'm not doing it with some moral compass.
I'm only guided by pain. I don't even know where
when these futures happen. They said, where is no more
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important than what? Or when? Removing your enthusiasm to further
chain yourself to the world isn't as painful as carrying
the crushing weight of those chains once forged around you.
I said, it says if this place was made so
that I can do one thing, and one thing only,
with no chance to screw it up. And the voice
then said, if those with choices make poor use of them,
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then offering fewer possibilities could be called mercy. I watch
your gear disintegrate into dust as it passed out of
view from the present to the past, and the voice said,
you cannot change the past, but you can make better
choices in the future. Everything is interconnected, and pay more
attention to your relationships. Be gentle with everyone, as I'm
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gentle with you. I said, gentle, what's gentle about all this?
And said, you prayed for something for which being here
is the answer. And now the man who fell from
the sky is not the same who flew into it.
With that, I looked at across that dead city, just
took it all in one final time and put my
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hand on the egg and I said, I think I
can live with this now. And with that it pretty
much booted me out and I came back to Earth,
then woke up in a rehabilitation hospital taking this all in.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
There's certainly a lot more to Jim Bruton's story. He's
the author of two books, The in Between, A Trip
of a Lifetime and The Practice in Between, the Art
of Letting Go. His website is in Between Productions dot com.
We are all souls having a human experience, and we
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may have a slightly different experience when we pass over
the rest. Assured, you'll be greeted by loved ones, pets
in a place that seems so similar to Earth, that
we're connected to everything. You'll feel an amazing sense of
love like you've never experienced here on Earth, and so
much more. I want to leave you with one of
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my favorite stories. It's called Creation, a Sioux Indian story.
The Creator gathered all of Creation and said, I want
to hide something from humans until they are ready for it.
It is the realization that they create their own reality.
The eagle said, give it to me. I will take
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it to the moon. The Creator said, no, one day
they will go there and find it. The salmon said,
I will bury it on the bottom of the ocean. No,
they will go there too. The buffalo said, I will
bury it on the great Plains. The Creator said, they
will cut into the skin of the earth and find
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it even there. Grandmother Mole, who lives in the breast
of Mother Earth and who has no physical eyes but
sees with spiritual eyes, said put it inside of them,
and the Creator said it is done. So, my friends,
our words, our thoughts, our actions are oh so powerful.
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Remember that. Don't forget to come visit atweedotdie dot com
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much more. Until we meet again, I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank
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you so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network.
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Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, and we'll discuss the reasons we now
know that our loved ones have survived physical death and
so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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home today with a cough and a cold that snuggled
under the covers, So today you're going to hear four
very interesting experiences, one shared death experience, and three near
death experiences. I'm going to let them do most of
the talking. Here's our first one. Meet Lisa.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
I'm Lisa Jones, and I am a former certified public
accountant for pricewaterhouse Ernstignon, and I also have had a
shared death experience which changed my life. On February twenty second,
two thousand and four, my husband passed away after a
long illness. He had been sick for seven years. He
had lymphoma cancer, and he was forty four when he
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passed away. The night that it happened. Actually, hospice had
been called that day, because up until then he didn't
even believe he was really dying. But he was incoherent
that morning and I called this doctor and so they said,
let's send hospice over. They actually evaluated him and said
that it'll probably be at least two to three weeks
before he passes.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
He's not looking imminent in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
I called his brother and best friend and they came over,
and it was the first time I really wasn't alone
in the house with him.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
At this point.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
We had two young children, they were one and three
when he was diagnosed and eight and ten when he died.
So after hospice came, my kids ended up leaving the
house that night. My son went to Ian's mother's house,
and my daughter went to her best friends. I went
and took care of Ian that evening. It was actually
the first time he had been given any pay medication
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or anything. I just kissed him on the head and
said good night, and then his brother came into the
room to take care of him. So I went and
slept on my daughter's bed, and before I fell asleep,
I prayed to the angels and just said, please help us.
There's no way out at this point. So I fell asleep,
and that's when basically two angels just came and escorted
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my soul out of my body and took me to
what I call heaven. It was the most beautiful place
I have ever been. There were rolling, gorgeous hills and
colors I've never seen. It's so hard to articulate because
I feel like we don't even have words to express,
but the light of the colors were so dynamic and
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so multi dimensional. I almost feel like here on planet
Earth we live in this kind of flat Stanley. I
don't know if you've ever heard of people setting around
this little flat Stanley doll to take on their vacation
or whatever, and you take photos with it, And that's
kind of what I feel like, like here on we're
living in this flat Stanley world where the colors are
just saturated, but there's.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
No light in the colors here.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
And then there was just such a wider range of
colors and like I said, there's no words to even
express what they are because we don't have them here.
And then in the distance there was this beautiful castle
like structure. Next thing I know, we were inside of it.
All of a sudden, I could hear choir singing, and
there were just like all these banners and all the corridors,
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and there was an announcement the Grand mister Ian Sharp
is about to arrive. As I was approaching down this corridor,
it was to the end of this balcony and I
could look down and I saw all these souls coming together.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
I can't describe what they looked like other than I just.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Knew it was Ian's soul family and that they were
so excited and they're like, oh my.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Gosh, he's coming, he's coming. He's almost here. He's almost here.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Then all of a sudden, there was this giant door
that started to open. You could almost hear it scraping
on the ground, and everybody turned oft the same time,
and just at that moment he started to walk through.
I saw him and the amount of unconditional love and peace.
I thought, I never want to leave this place. It's
just so amazing. And then right at that moment, there
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was a knock on my door.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Lisa, wake up, wake up.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Ian just took his last breath, and it was his
brother waking me up to let me know. Oh, and
that moment, it was like a trap door opened in
heaven and my soul fell back into my body, and
I remember just this thud back into my physical body,
and I bounced out of bed, and I was actually
excited because I saw where he was going. And yet
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I knew that was not like an appropriate response in
that moment, because my husband just died, and yet I
had all this excited feeling. To top it off, I
thought he was going to be going to hell because
he hadn't been baptized. I was very religious, and I
believed that because he was unwilling to be baptized, that
he literally was.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Going to go to hell.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
So that made it even more exciting to me that
he got to go to heaven. So I ran down
to our bedroom and his body was laying but it
wasn't him. It was just almost like a shell, and
I could just see that his soul was gone and
that he had gone to heaven. And I got to
witness that I have never heard of a shared death experience.
And I didn't know for years after that until I
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just randomly read a near death experienience book that talked
about shared death experience and I'm like, oh my god,
that's what I experienced.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
That I wasn't dead.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
It was all so similar, like the colors and the
unconditional love and just the excitement and beauty and the cleanliness.
That was the biggest thing, is just how clean it
is in that heavenly realm versus here. And then only
recently after I moved to Maui and I got involved
with the International Studies of Near Death Experiences, did I
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meet a man who wrote a book about shared death experiences.
And that's when I started hearing that they're now starting
to study shared death experiences. I was raised Lutheran, and
in fact It was traumatic because I was in a
parish where our youth minister ended up molesting a lot
of the girls in my confirmation class. When he took
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me to the basement, I knew something was going to happen,
and so I had the sense to get out before
anything did happen. I attribute that to the fact that
I read found out that I had a near death
experience when I was two weeks old, and this was
through a guided meditation. I was on a guided meditation,
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not thinking anything of where it was going to take me.
But the next thing I know, I remember being born.
I was adopted as a baby, and so after I
was taken from my birth mother, I was just in
a room for two weeks basically where caregivers would come
and feed me and take care of me. But I
also had colic, so I was crying a lot and
they were having a really hard time consoling me. And
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so what I saw in this guided meditation is that
one of the caregivers picked me up and shook me.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
I just popped out of my body.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
And so in this guided meditation, I witnessed again being
in heaven and I was just surrounded by all these
beautiful angels, it's going to bring me to tears, because
they just lovingly said, but you have work to do
on earth and you need to go back. So I
reluctantly went back into my body and it was a
few days later, but my adoptive parents that's when they
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picked me up up. I had the most loving mother.
I even told her as a four year old, like,
this was God's plan. You couldn't have babies, but another
mommy had to have me so that I could be
your babies. So because of that near death experience, it
makes so much sense because as a child, I saw energies,
I saw cowboys and indians outside my windows at night.
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I felt aliens come and like put medicine in my
mouth and poke my toes. When I was a little child,
my mom and dad, of course didn't believe me. But
now that I know about near death experiences and what
happens after you had one, that you do have these
sixth sense really elevated.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
That makes sense to me.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Why when I went down to the basement with my minister,
I knew that something bad was going to happen, And
then when he confessed to doing this to girls, I
stepped away from my religion.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But then when I got married and.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Had kids, I felt like they really needed that foundation,
so I became Episcopalian. I was totally in belief of
all the rules that the church said, that you have
to be baptized, and that there's heaven and hell and
all of this. And interestingly, when I went through the
Episcopal church and my husband was dying, I went for counseling.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
The minister tried to hit on me.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
So between the two ministers, but I realize now that
religion is just an organization where men come to power
generally men, and then sometimes take advantage of women. So
between that and then having my own connection with that
shared death experience, I'm like, I don't need this anymore.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I stepped away from the church. I walked away.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
So I am not a fan of organized religion any longer.
When people go to the other side, they actually get
to witness what they think their heaven is, because I
do think it would be jarring if I had gone
to the other side and I was in a Buddhist
temple or like a mosque or something like that. So
I do believe, And again I've interviewed a lot of
near death experiencers, and it seems to me that most
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people witness what it is that they are anticipating. I
don't believe in death. I think we just transition into
another realm. Whatever your current belief is. You just stepped
right through this thrushold and you're in the next realm
with that same belief system, and then it might unfold
from there. It just seems like that's a great way
to welcome them in.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I am not afraid of death.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I am, in fact looking forward to seeing how this
all ends, because I've witnessed so many different deaths throughout
my life as I'm a hospice volunteer and a dipth doulah.
In fact, a few years ago after moving to Maui,
it was like a Saturday morning with my phone just
looking out. All of a sudden, I get an alert
saying incoming missile from North Korea. This is not a test,
this is actually happening. Take cover, and I'm thinking, oh
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my god, I had no idea this is how it
was going to end.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I'm actually really excited.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I was ready to get in my car and go
to the beach and say bring it on.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
If I'm going to go that way, I want to
go quick.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I don't want to like have the radiation poisoning or
whatefter the fact. And meanwhile people were driving off the
road and breaking out about the whole thing. But again
from interviewing near death experiencers, every one of them says,
like before impact in a car accident or if they
were falling or freezing to death or whatever their circumstances was,
their soul pops out before the impact. So they don't
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feel the pain, they don't experience that. So I trust
that that'll happen with me too. Am I doing the
work that I'm here to do. I feel like I'm
leaning in.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Closer and closer.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Part of it is literally sharing my experiences with people
just to help them whatever they're going through. A lot
of times I get feedback from people that it really
helps to know that these stories exist and it can
help them. So I'm leaning into being an eternal love
and Abundance coach, which is helping people as they are
on their journey here on earth, and if that's connecting
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with their past away loved ones, if it's figuring out
why they're stuck in life.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I've had so many experiences through these shared death experiences
and talking about near death experiences and cultivating relationships on
the other side, I call my heavenly husband. He's been
helping me for twenty years. He talks to me, he
guides me, he helps me. My mom is the same way.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Rom Dass, who was a spiritual leader here on MAUI,
I had a shared death experience with him and he's
guiding me at all times.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
So I am.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Here to now help people literally connect with their loved
ones and cultivate that relationship so it's not over.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
When they die.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
It's just a new experience of a relationship with their soul.
It's super exciting, it's super fun, and yeah, I feel
like I'm on my path.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Lisa, it sounds like you definitely are on your path.
If you want to find out more about Lisa, you
can visit her website, Being of Love and Light dot com.
If you scroll back through past episodes, lots of talk
on shared death experiences. The two that come to mind
are with doctor Raymond Moody and then also William Peters.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
It's time for.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Our first break and we'll be back with three experiences.
You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
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to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're going
to jump right in with the near death experience of
Bubba Herrick.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I was a baseball player. And if anyone would have
asked me before my experience what I did or who
I was, that was the only answer I could ever
come up with was baseball player. I am a baseball player.
So I was playing baseball at this little tiny school
in Jacksonville, Florida, called Jacksonville University, and it was my
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freshman season, and I had good hopes for my career.
I was playing at the Division one level, which was
the highest level of amateur baseball that there was before
the professionals. I was just playing in high school on
the number two ranked team in the entire country. So
I thought that my track was I'm going to play
major league baseball. So It's my freshman season at Jacksonville
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and I have an elbow injury and I'm heading in
for surgery on my elbow. The surgery is often referred
to as Tommy John surgery in the baseball world. And
I get into the hospital for my pre operation checkup,
and the nurse she wanted to ensure that I was
able to be operated on, so she was asking me
all these types of questions, one of which was are
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you allergic to anything? And I didn't know the answer,
so I said no. So fast forward to the next day,
I'm going in for my surgery and my surgeon says, Okay,
here's how this is going to work. You're going to
lay on this hospital bed in your hospital down and
we are going to hook you up to this iv
We're going to put the anesthesia through your ivy so
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that way you don't feel a thing during surgery. By
the time we get into the operating room from where
we are now, you'll be out, you'll be unconscious, and
you'll be back on the field before you know it.
So that's what he did. He wheeled me into the
operating room. I was supposed to be under anesthesia, but
I wasn't. I just felt like I was completely awake
and conscious. From my perspective, I was like, well, maybe
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it just hasn't hit me yet, so I'm not going
to say anything. So the doctors are confirming with one
another that I'm ready to get operated on and they
grab their tools and they're about to cut into me,
and from my perspective, I'm like, I'm still awake. This
is really gonna hurt. So I started to, I guess
you could say, get a little bit afraid. And then
in the flash of a second, I was just watching
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the entire scene from above. I watched from above as
my body turned like a lifeless blue and then a
bruise like purple, and then I watched as my heart
monitor went from B to B. I was immediately thrusted
into this life review where I saw my entire life
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on like a panoramic three hundred and sixty degree screen.
But I also had the ability to enter the life review.
So it's like I was watching a movie, but I
was also in the movie, and I was experiencing my
life review from the perspective of all of the characters
of the movie. So it wasn't just my life. I
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was also experiencing my life from others perspectives. I'll give
you an example. I was probably four or five years old,
and my dad used to discipline my brother and I
with a belt. That's how he would discipline us. And
my brother's four years older than me. So from my
perspective as a kid, obviously I hated that and I
don't condone that at all, and I don't think it
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was right. But my entire life until I had this
near death experience, I absolutely shaded him for it and
I would never, ever, ever forgive him for it. In
this life review, I was able to actually experience those
beatings from my dad's perspective, and from his perspective I
had never known, but he thought what he was doing
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was right. He was like, you know, my kids need discipline,
and this is what I believe discipline to be. So
from his perspective, I got to understand that because of
the life review, he was coming from a good place
and he was actually trying to express love to my
brother and I. So I was able to experience memories
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like that and just every single memory of my life
in all types of detail and clarity. It was just incredible.
And the last memory of my life review was one
where it just stuck with me. I don't know. My parents'
divorced when I was eight, and after that a man
entered my mom's life. His name was Mike. He was
just what I needed from a father figure. He didn't
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discipline us in the same way. He was just very
loving and nurturing and gentle. And anyways, we played this
beautiful basketball game one time when I was twelve. I
don't know why it stuck with me my entire life,
but it did, and in the life review I was
able to experience it again. It was just beautiful. It
was a good way to end my life review. That said,
after that memory and my life review was done, I
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couldn't help but feel angry with myself and upset at
myself for how I decided to live my life. And
I was afraid of what was next. You know, I
wasn't ready to die, and there are so many reasons
to that at the time. You know, I didn't believe
in an after life before my experience, so that contributed
to it, but also the way in which I lived
my life. It was just I don't know, I just
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wasn't happy with it at that time. It sucked because
I couldn't do anything about it. After my life review,
so after the fear and the anger subsided, I was
transferred into this place that was just indescribable by words.
It was like I was viewing it from the perspective
of the inside of a diamond. It was just serene
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and crystally and there were refracted combinations of light that
just formed one universal color. It just beautiful. And in
this place, the voice in my head that was beating
me down about how I lived my life after my
life review, it didn't exist. I didn't have this voice
in my head. I just was. I was pure presence,
pure bliss, unconditional love. I was in this place for
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what felt like forever before a strange, distant figure appeared.
As I approached this distant figure, immediately I was passed
a basketball and I began to play this basketball game
with this strange figure who happened to be my stepdad, Mike.
It was a recreation of the moment I just saw
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in my life review, just moments ago or however long ago,
I don't know. I didn't have any concept of time.
In fact, time and I felt like we were the
same thing. So anyways, Mike and I played this beautiful
game of basketball, which lasts forever, it feels like, And
I'll mention that neither of us had a body or
in ability to speak words, because there was no use
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for either of those things. We both like, I don't know,
it's so hard to describe, but we both just knew.
We just knew that we were playing a game of basketball,
and we didn't need a body, and we knew what
each other was thinking, so there's no need for real communication.
But anyways, after the beautiful game of basketball, which lasted forever,
Mike slowly like stepped away from me, and his tone changed,
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and if words existed, this is what he would have said. Essentially,
what he said was, Okay, play time's over. Let's get serious.
There's a reason that you're here, and there's a reason
that I'm here. I'm here because I know how you
felt after your life with you. I know that you
desperately wanted a second chance. Well I'm here to present
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to you that second chance. But if you take the
second chance, you have an obligation and a responsibility to
live out your great purpose. That's what he called it
was a great purpose. So it didn't feel like I
had much of the decision, and I made my decision,
and right when I did, he disappeared and I was
face to face with myself on the operating table. Was
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as if a glass panel was separating me from up here.
And me from the operating table, and I watched as
the doctors injected me with the shot that saved my life.
And I woke up on the table and I was
punching the doctors because I was fighting with myself about
the decision I had just made to come back because
that place was so perfect. After I had been revived
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and I was on drugs sedated from them bringing me
back to life, I was just viewing a bunch of
words and I had recounted the story to my mom,
and obviously she was like, Oh, that's just the drugs talking.
You're you know, you're not telling the truth. But the
nurse overheard it, and the nurse was like, wait a second,
that's real. Those are called near death experiences. She didn't
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go into too much detail, and if she did, I
can't really remember it. But I heard it. My mom
heard it, and we were just like, oh, that's cool.
But we had no concept of MDes. We thought a
near death experience was like when you almost die, you know,
maybe a car almost hits you or something. That's what
we thought a near death experience was. After the near
death experience happened, I just returned to my life as
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it was before. For a long time, like I returned
to baseball, I returned to I don't know, listening to
the voice in my head directing and guiding my life.
So for a long time I kind of just brushed
it off, as if it was just a dream, but
as if that didn't actually happen. At first, I didn't
want to admit it to myself that that was real,
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because if I did, that would mean I'd have to
change my entire life and my entire identity, because my
identity was built around the voice in my head, and
when I was in that place, the voice in my
head didn't exist, and it felt as if I was
the real me. So the question that I was afraid
to answer was if I'm not the voice in my head,
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then who am I. The weight of that question, especially
for me, I was only nineteen when it happened, it
was just too much for me to bear. So I
tried to sleep it under the rug as long as
I could, But I couldn't unsee or unexperience what I
saw and experienced. So it became real to me that, like, yeah,
the afterlife is real, and it was more real than
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here the life that I lived before was built around
the idea that the voice in my head was me.
So when I came back, I tried to fit myself
back into that box, but it felt like I was
trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
It just didn't work. So my entire life change. What
I wanted to do with my life change, My ambitions
and dreams and goals changed, and my personality changed. You
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know how athletes carry themselves just like very egotistical and
I'm better than you and I'm God's gift to this
earth type thing. And after this experience, I was just
humbled to the core because number one, I didn't believe
that death could actually happen to me, and so that
was really like shocking, like, oh my gosh, this is real.
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And then two it was like I'm not God skifts
to Green Earth. You know, I'm just a regular guy.
I don't play baseball anymore. I did come back for
quite a few years after, but a few things happened.
You know, I just didn't love the game anymore. And
because of the fact that I didn't love the game,
my performance on the field was really bad and I
just fell out of love with it. But I will
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say that I am re entering the game as a
coach because it does mean a lot to me, and
it gave me a lot and it taught me a lot,
so I'd like to give back to it. It's okay
to trust in the idea that death is not scary,
and you can use that to live a life without
fear and to do good for this world, because someone
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is going to inherit the world that we leave behind,
and it is our job to teach whoever is going
to do so that same concept that death is not scary,
to have faith and to put your trust in some
higher power because we can't do it alone. And right
now things seem like they're scary, and right now, more
than ever, I think we just need a lot of
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faith and a lot of love.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Faith and love are definitely needed. And don't take that
little voice in your head's words so seriously, it's out
for its survival, not necessarily yours. It's not speaking the truth.
Quiet the mind and tap into that truth. Buba is
busy writing his book, so we wish him well on that.
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Let's go to the break and we'll be back with
another near death experience. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and cost to cost Am Pirinormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife, Sandra Champlain. Next,
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we'll hear Anastagia's near death experience.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
In December of twenty nineteen, I had an invasive dental
procedure done and it had required me to be sedated
and have medication that I've never had before. The dentist
started to preparations, put a mask over my face, and
I started taking in Knights's oxide, and as the dentist
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then went on to prepare some of the other things
in the room, kept getting this really strange feeling, the
sensation starting to come over me. It was like I
was lifting up out of my body when I was breathing,
and then I would fall back down again, and then
I would lift up and I'd fall back down again.
As is continued, it wasn't subsiding, and I was getting
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a little bit concerned, and having never done this before,
I didn't know if it was normal or if it
was something that I should raise to the dentist. So
I just kept quiet because I didn't want to disturb
the dentist. And as it started to continue, it got
to a point to where I really felt like I
was coming way out of my body, and I came
back down and I thought, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
I probably need to say something.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
And in the next breath, I'm no longer in the
dental chair, but I'm now up in the ceiling looking
down at myself in the chair. And now it's so
hard for me to explain everything from this point on
because what I experienced was outside of time. There was
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really no feeling or sensation of time like we experience
here where one thing after another happens. It's more like
everything all happened simultaneously, and I can just try to
explain it like one thing happened after another, but it
really felt like it all happened at one time. And
so I'm looking down at my body and I'm thinking.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
What am I doing up here?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
And in that moment I realized something so profound. It
was like a flash of an epiphany, and I thought,
I just said what am I doing up here? I
didn't say what am I doing down there where my
body is?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
I said what am I doing up here?
Speaker 8 (28:16):
With whatever it was that I was at that time
in the ceiling, that part of me.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That was then.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Looking down at my physical body and I went, oh,
my gosh, we are not our bodies. And then my
very next thought was am I dead? And just like that,
I slipped over and I am now like inches away.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
From the ceiling.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
This is so interesting because if you remember being a
little kid and seeing something for the first time, and
I'm not talking about like something really ordinary, I'm talking
about an eclipse or something that you've never seen before
that just takes your breath away. I was looking at
all these little d tails in the ceiling and I
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found them absolutely beautiful and miraculous, and I remember the
little particles of dust and the little cracks and just thinking,
that is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.
And just like that, it was like I blinked or
a lens came down over my face and I was gone.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I was out of the room.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Now at this point, I opened my eyes and what
seemed like a flash, like it was really almost like
a blink, and I am in absolute It's a void.
It's like it's nothing, but it's everything.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
This feeling that I have is I am in.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Complete and total oneness in this place. This is where
it gets really really hard to try to describe each
piece because it all blended together as one. But I
had this feeling that wherever I I was one. I
didn't wonder where I was, I didn't worry about where
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I was.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I didn't even really.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Have much recollection about the physical body that I just
came from. I knew who I was, that I had
an individual sense of self. I remember that, But I
remember so clearly that I was a part of this
what I call a oneness in this void. Now I
call it a void, but the better way to describe
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it is like it's a void.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Of anything that isn't complete.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
It felt like everything in this place was absolutely complete.
Everything that was to ever be known all existed there.
Every soul experience, every soul was absolutely a part of this,
and any experience that any of us have ever had
through any soul experience was all accessible there.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
It was a place of absolute knowing.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Just like the time didn't exist when I was back
in the room but hovering over my body, time didn't
exist here at all either.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
I've tried so hard.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
To find the words to describe some of these pieces,
because we just don't have a vocabulary for something like this.
We don't live our day to day lives feeling at
one with everything. We don't walk past our mailbox and
feel like we're one with the mailbox. It's just not
the way we live our lives. So we don't have
a real vocabulary to describe these kinds of experiences. But
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it was as if I was one with everything, and
that there had never been anything but.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Being one with everything.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
And because of that, it felt like and it gave
me this sensation that I could look through the eyes
of every single soul that had ever existed, through all
time and through any experience ever, and that all I
had to do was just shit my awareness to something
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and I would be able to.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Know it now.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
As I was picking up this like sensation that I
was connecting to tumping so big.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
I wanted to know everything.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I remember wanting to know this and wanting to know
that because there was still this part of me that
had my individuality, and then there was this part of
me that was connected to this oneness, to this everything,
and I couldn't ask a question, no matter what I
would try to do, I couldn't form a question. All
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I could do was be curious about it. It feels
to me that when I reflect back on that, the
reason I couldn't form a question is because everything was
already known.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
It would have been impossible for.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
There to have been a question, because if there was
a question, that would mean that something's not answered. And
in this place, everything was answered. Everything was already known,
every outcome already complete. As I was taking this in,
I felt myself expanding, if you will. As I was
taking in all of this knowing, it felt like it
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was gaining like an acceleration or.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
A momentum, and it was getting.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Bigger and bigger and bigger, and all of a sudden
it stopped and I was back in the dental chair again.
At this point, it was like I kind of felt
like I had a foot in two worlds. It felt
like I was still back in the void, and it
felt like I was in the dental chair and the
dentist was there.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
He had his hand on me.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
He's like, are you okay? And I remember hearing his words,
I remember knowing what he was saying, and I remember
responding with like, yeah, I'm okay. But my interest was
not in the dentist at all. Where before this whole
thing started, I was so concerned about what was happening
with me when I was starting to float above my body.
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That was good, on that concern out the window. At
this point, all I wanted to do was hold on
to that connection that I had, because it seemed like
it was like an aperture.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
And as time was going when I came back.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
It was closing down, and all of that knowing, all
of that access to everything was slipping away. It felt
like it was just slipping through my fingers and I
was grasping and I wanted to hold on to absolutely
everything I could possibly hold on to, but there was
nothing I could do.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
The connection was closing.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Of all the things that I brought back, I wish
I would have brought back all of the knowing, but
I brought back some really specific things. I feel like
I still have somewhat of a foot in that place still,
like the door is like cracked open. It hasn't completely closed,
but I don't have that intimate connection that I had
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when I was there.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
When I was in the dental chair, and when.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
I came back, I immediately thought, Okay, we are not our body.
That is so obvious. We are so much more than
our body. And I use the word soul because I
don't have a better word. There may be a better
word that really represents the part of us that is
more than our physical body. But without having a better word,
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I'll use the word soul. That we are a soul
in a physical body, and that our physical bodies are
nothing more than like a sensory tool for us to
collect sensory information about the physical experience, and that it
gets shared at the soul level, because the soul ultimately
wants to have a direct physical experience and to be
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able to create here in a physical life.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
The soul is absolutely complete. That part of me that.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Went into this boy, that went into this oneness was
absolutely complete. That's been something that, without a doubt, was
so clear to me. But it was also clear to
me that with that completeness, it also meant in that
place that I was at, there was no good or bad.
There is no right or wrong. There are no lessons
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to learn in the physical life. Now, how you live
your life here in a physical world absolutely is going
to have a good or a bad sensation for you,
depending on your experience. If you experience something traumatic, it's
not going to feel good. If you experience something blissful,
it's going to feel great. But those actions as they
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translate to the other side, did not translate in my
experience into anything that meant that you would be judged.
And that judgment is not like a sorting tool. It's
not like the Harry Potter sorting hat. Right, You're not
going to go into this place or this place depending
on your actions. It was really about you reconnecting to
this part of you that you've always been connected to,
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but you didn't have the ability to bring it into
your physical body for whatever reason. So when you connect
to that oneness on the other side, you have the
ability to create these experiences that you want to have
in the afterlife. The connection of oneness, of bliss, of
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peacefulness in this place is unlike anything I have ever
experienced in this physical life. But I understood that it's
not like we're trying to check boxes here to get
into an afterlife that we ultimately want to have forever
and ever and ever. It felt very much like we
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are learning to bring that bliss that's a part of
us at the soul level into our physical experiences.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Powerful words and to remember we are all connected. Time
for our break and Welcome back with a very different
near death experience listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Thank you for joining me on my sick day. My
voice might sound a little funny, but the passion to
share great evidence of the afterlife is still with me.
The last voice you heard was Anastasia. You can find
out more about her at the website The Healingheart dot com.
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She is a founder of a wellness studio in Illinois.
I'm struck by these words from Bubba, how we are
not that ego mind, that we get to love that
go and just be our pure soul self on the
other side, And from Anastasia that we are all connected,
so we might think a little differently dealing with people, animals, objects, whatever.
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And from Lisa in the first segment, she shares her
belief that near death experiences are comforting to your own beliefs.
The next story is Jim Bruton, who is a pilot
and I know pilots, having both a brother and a father.
Airline pilots with very analytical minds. So this is quite
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a different near death experience, but it makes sense knowing
Jim's a person who likes to understand how things work.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
My name is Jim Bruton, and on October six, twenty sixteen,
I was in a really bad plane crash. I ruptured
both lungs, I broke all my ribs, I broke my
right leg and multiple plays, had a hole in my
lower back from a battery breaking loose and hitting me.
And luckily there was a man fishing nearby a lake
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where I was aiming for who was able to come
over keep me propped up, called nine to one one
and got a medical helicopter and to pull me out.
Once the helicopter landed, extracted me and took me up
to Hartford, Connecticut's Trauma Center to a waiting team of physicians.
They were able to put me into a breathing machine
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and put breathing tubes down my throat and then contact
my family. When my family got there a few hours later,
they found me, you know, barely hanging on. I had
escaped my restraints once and they'd put me back in them,
and it was decided to put me into a medically
induced coma once they did, I teleported. It was no
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tunnel I was going through like it was commonly reported,
I literally teleported to this terrace of a tall, gray
building in a post apocalyptic landscape. Imagine a city like
New York a thousand years after a meteor strike or
a nuclear blast, and just how horrible that would look.
And I was also underneath these tremendous storm clouds that
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looked like they were just ready to cut loose again
with the Mother of all storms. But I wasn't afraid.
There was no sense of foreboding. I was just taking
it all in and excepting this is where I am
right now. All of a sudden, I was hit by
this wave of nausea in my stomach, and I doubled
over in pain and grabbed my stomach and I said,
I don't think I can stand this. And when I
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said that, I heard this light clacking sound off to
my left, and I looked over and saw what looked
like maybe a four story tall sculpture of an egg
made out of lattice work, meaning there were a lot
of open spaces in it, and I can see through it,
and within those open spaces I could see these slight movements.
So I was able to make my way over to
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this egg and look through the open lattice work to
its interior, and then I saw these hovering in space,
freely suspended, little gears spinning around. Now, when we think
of a gear, we think of a circle with teeth
all the way around it. These particular gears were called
sector gears, and they're partial arc of that gear. You
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usually find them in clocks, and they have a beginning
in the middle and an end to their sweep, and
that's significant in a certain way. As I looked at
these gears, I could see that some were definite and
some were not, and they could pass through each other
like ghosts. They were also very hard to focus on.
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I think it's because they represented probabilities. And for that,
I'm saying, when I looked at them, even though they
might not be in focus, a video feed would play
inside my head of what they represented. I would see myself,
maybe as an older man, or I'd see my children
with their children. So I realized these are events in
my future, hence that they should be slightly out of
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focus because their probabilities. Because each moment is a decision
point of a million possibilities, and as I looked at it,
I remember thinking, okay, what is this thing? And with that,
this disembodied voice came and kept me company the entire time.
It said, this is the future, berthing into the now,
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this is the process of becoming. And my fingers, as
I reached through the lattice work to see if I
could touch them, brushed by one of the more solid
appearing gears. And as I touched it, within my mind
I could see something like a video feed of those
future events. And that's when I doubled over in pain.
Obviously this was a gear that was not good. And
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then with a reflex, I ripped that gear out, pulling
it through the egg's lattice wall to throw it over
my shoulder. And the machine then responded by spinning all
those gears around again to recalibrate for missing one. And
I said, what's happening now? Each gear is the probability
of a word or action in your future. Your destiny
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is resetting itself around what you have removed. I said,
how did I know I could do that? Pull that
gear out, removing that future moment? And I said, why
else are you gear? I said, I have no idea.
I don't even know what this place is. And I said,
you are in the end between. I said, in between
what I said, everything the impossible now between the past
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and the future. It's impossible, and its short duration, yet
it expands across universes. You are standing in the side
of an eternity, of a single moment. And then it
asked me, do you remember the world do which your
body belongs? I thought really hard, and I said, I
have no idea. I said, then you see the truth
and how the past is dust. I said, okay, why
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do some of these gears, these futures that I touch,
make me sick and not others? And I said, all
choices have unintended consequences, some unfortunate and some not. The
pain each brings is your guide. And I said, where
are the gears that feel good? He said, You're not
here to feel good. And then I saw more gears
emerge within view, some passing through the others, Several clear
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and definite, many less so and hard to focus on,
though all bringing with them their clear images of meaning.
Each time they would come to rest, I would search
around in there until I found one that caused me pain,
and I would remove it, the one that would be
to my future detriment. And at one point I looked
at the growing pile of gears and I said, it's
starting to look like if I don't have a bad future,
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that have no future at all. Even though I'm now
starting to feel less pain, am I going to die
sooner from doing all this? And they said, your destiny
has to fit itself around futures that aren't meant to be.
Your number of breaths are already counted, I will worry
about your last one. I said, I don't know how
comforting that is. And they said, eliminating bad choices doesn't
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mean you want to make wrong ones. You won't know
there wrong until after they pass. And since right and
wrong are variables over which you have no control, the
answer is to what come tomorrow are a waste? Better
is understanding the beauty of how things fit and refit together.
I said, So what am I missing here in my
lack of understanding? I said, what is clearly before you grace.
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No one deserves salvation, but it can only be given
by grace. It's your birthright that it has to be
chosen at the expense of the world, that separates us,
and I said, this fixing my future is painful, and
I feel ashamed. I'm not doing it with some moral compass.
I'm only guided by pain. I don't even know where
when these futures happen. They said, where is no more
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important than what? Or when? Removing your enthusiasm to further
chain yourself to the world isn't as painful as carrying
the crushing weight of those chains once forged around you.
I said, it says if this place was made so
that I can do one thing, and one thing only,
with no chance to screw it up. And the voice
then said, if those with choices make poor use of them,
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then offering fewer possibilities could be called mercy. I watch
your gear disintegrate into dust as it passed out of
view from the present to the past, and the voice said,
you cannot change the past, but you can make better
choices in the future. Everything is interconnected, and pay more
attention to your relationships. Be gentle with everyone, as I'm
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gentle with you. I said, gentle, what's gentle about all this?
And said, you prayed for something for which being here
is the answer. And now the man who fell from
the sky is not the same who flew into it.
With that, I looked at across that dead city, just
took it all in one final time and put my
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hand on the egg and I said, I think I
can live with this now. And with that it pretty
much booted me out and I came back to Earth,
then woke up in a rehabilitation hospital taking this all in.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
There's certainly a lot more to Jim Bruton's story. He's
the author of two books, The in Between, A Trip
of a Lifetime and The Practice in Between, the Art
of Letting Go. His website is in Between Productions dot com.
We are all souls having a human experience, and we
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may have a slightly different experience when we pass over
the rest. Assured, you'll be greeted by loved ones, pets
in a place that seems so similar to Earth, that
we're connected to everything. You'll feel an amazing sense of
love like you've never experienced here on Earth, and so
much more. I want to leave you with one of
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my favorite stories. It's called Creation, a Sioux Indian story.
The Creator gathered all of Creation and said, I want
to hide something from humans until they are ready for it.
It is the realization that they create their own reality.
The eagle said, give it to me. I will take
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it to the moon. The Creator said, no, one day
they will go there and find it. The salmon said,
I will bury it on the bottom of the ocean. No,
they will go there too. The buffalo said, I will
bury it on the great Plains. The Creator said, they
will cut into the skin of the earth and find
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it even there. Grandmother Mole, who lives in the breast
of Mother Earth and who has no physical eyes but
sees with spiritual eyes, said put it inside of them,
and the Creator said it is done. So, my friends,
our words, our thoughts, our actions are oh so powerful.
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Remember that. Don't forget to come visit atweedotdie dot com
take in one of our free Sunday gatherings on zoom
with a medium demonstration. Included upcoming classes, events, and so
much more. Until we meet again, I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank
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you so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost
Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out
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