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You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
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the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.
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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
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that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My daily
motivational calendar this morning said, good things take time, but
in this case, I think enough time has passed and
I want to help speed up this message. What message
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am I talking about, Well, it's about IADC therapy. When
we were together last you met doctor Tom Nimi, a
clinical psychologist who first heard about doctor Alan Botkin and
his IADC therapy on one of my previous episodes. He
thought this seems too good to be true, and the
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little voice inside of him said, I better check this out.
Doctor Tom took the training only to find out that
Induced after Death Communication grief therapy is real. Just two
ninety minute IADC therapy sessions greatly reduces or eliminates grief,
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helping people to go back to living lives. But as
a side effect, over seventy five percent of the people
experience their deceased loved ones. Somehow, this therapy seems to
transport people to an altered state, allowing them to possibly see, feel,
hear their loved ones. Some get big hugs from them.
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Even their animals can be present, giving them more reasons
to heal. Today, on our time together, I want to
dive deeper into IADC and give you some case studies
from doctor Alan Botkin, who wrote the book Induced After
Death Communication, a Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss. On
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our second segment today, I want to play some words
from that original episode that doctor Tom Nemi heard and
felt so compeld to learn this methodology. My hope is
that therapists in the world can help others by learning
this therapy method so that people can be relieved from
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their grief. Yes, I know we all want to connect
with our loved ones, but you must go into this
therapy looking for grief relief, not looking for the afterlife
for it to be effective. Doctor Alan Botkin is now retired,
and so there's good therapists like doctor Tom Nimi and
others working with induced ADC dot com it's a good
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website to go to. Also, please go back and listen
to the last episode with doctor Tom. You can also
check out my past episode's number sixty six twenty eight
one ninety four. I know this is a lot to
keep track of, but you can always listen to the
beginning of this episode to find those links. Let me
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read an example of doctor Alan Botkins's work so you
get a taste of what this is. He had written
an article for the Journal of Near Death Studies. The
article is called the Induction of After Death Communications Utilizing
eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing a new discovery. This is
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a twenty nine page article, So I'm just going to
pick different stories to read here. This one is titled Mark.
Mark was involved in a very serious car accident nearly
twenty five years prior to our session. Although Mark was uninjured,
two adults and a twelve year old girl who were
in the other car were killed. He reported that he
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knew nothing else about the victims because he was taken
away in a different ambulance, and he subsequently avoided all
television and newspaper reports of the incident. The accident had
been Mark's fault, and he was found guilty of negligent homicide.
This incident completely changed Mark's life. Although he had been
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a good student and had plans for a professional career,
his deep sadness and severe guilt resulted in a dysfunctional
life which included recurring major depressions, two suicide attempts, failed marriages,
drug abuse, and employment difficulties. Mark believed that since there
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was no way to undo what had happened, he was
destined to suffer for the rest of his life. After
some preliminary emd R to alleviate anxiety, an ADC was induced.
That's after death communication, Mark saw all three of the
victims standing together and smiling with a look of joy,
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peace and contentment. They seemed very happy being together and
liked very much much where they were. Although he had
never seen these people before, he was sure it was they.
He could see each one very clearly, especially the girl
who was standing in front of the two adults. She
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had short red hair, freckles, and a distinctive smile. Mark
also somehow got the clear impression that the male adult
who began to walk around the scene was communicating to
him that he had had multiple sclerosis before he died,
and that he was happy about the fact he was
now able to move around freely. Mark privately told all
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three that he was very sorry about what had happened
and that he felt very sad about the whole thing.
Mark reported that they gave him the message that they
had been waiting to hear what he had to say,
and that they all forgave him. Mark was astonished by
his experience. He said, I didn't picture all of this.
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It just came to me as clear as I'm looking
at you right now. I didn't imagine it. I couldn't
have imagined it. His feelings of sadness and guilt appeared
to have fully resolved. He felt as though a huge
burden had been lifted off of him. He had some
concern that I would think he was crazy, but I
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reassured him that was not the case. Mark left the
session feeling great. The next day, however, I received a
frantic phone call from Mark. He said he had to
see me right away. He was in my office within
an hour. He explained that since he was feeling so
much better, he stopped by his sister's house the night
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before and asked her to get out the old newspaper
clippings from the accident, which he knew she had kept
in her attic. He nearly freaked out when he saw
a picture of the girl with short red hair, freckles,
and the same distinctive smile. The newspaper articles also reported
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that the man had severe multiple sclerosis and had been
wheelchair bound for a number of years prior to his death.
Although the day before Mark believed that his experience was real,
the newspaper clippings proved beyond any doubt that it was real.
His primary concern was that the spirits of these three
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people might change their minds and come back to punish
him in the future. I was able to reassure him
that although I had considerable experience in inducing ADC's and
had read hundreds of first hand accounts, I had never
heard of a single case in which an ADC was
either punitive or negative. I also explained to him that
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it was clear the day before that all issues between
the three people and him had been resolved. He left
my office feeling reassured and better again, continued in therapy
for about two months, during which time he addressed a
different issue. During that time, all issues pertaining to the
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accident remained resolved, and he denied any further concern about
a possible negative ADC in the future. Only infrequently is
it possible to obtain independent evidence which has some bearing
on the validity of ADC content. For that reason, when
it does occur, it is of interest. Of course, in
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this case, we must rely on the reliability of Mark's reports.
Although the newspaper clippings proved to Mark that his experience
was real, they do not constitute proof for the rest
of us. Even if he had showed me the newspaper articles,
one could argue either that Mark was lying about having
not seen them, or that he repressed the fact that
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he had seen them because it was psychologically too painful
for him to remember. Yet I do not believe Mark
was lying and repressing that material appears very unlikely given
his age at the time of the accident and his
psychological history. The case also illustrates a frequent observation that
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some deceased people appear not to have aged, even though
they died at a relatively young age. After twenty five years,
the twelve year old girl still look like a twelve
year old girl. It is also noteworthy that Mark reported
that the three victims of the accident were waiting to
hear what Mark had to say. Although the victims were
ultimately experienced as forgiving, it appears here that the resolution
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of unfinished business needed to occur first. Emdr I Movement
desensitization and reprocessing is proven to be the most effective
therapy when treating PTSD, says the vast majority of studies.
How did it all be? Again? The treatment was discovered
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in the late nineteen eighties by Francine Shapiro, who, while
walking through a park one day and feeling upset about
some troubling and reoccurring thoughts, found herself spontaneously shifting her
eyes back and forth. She noticed that the shifting of
her eyes greatly reduced the negative emotional charge and intrusive
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nature of her thoughts. Then she tried the technique on
friends and colleagues and surprisingly got the same results. She
went on to conduct controlled scientific studies on subjects diagnosed
with PTSD and found that the technique produced psychotherapeutic outcomes
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unprecedented in the field of mental health. When speaking about
he and his colleagues, doctor Botkin says, we were open
minded enough to at least give it a try. I
will never forget our first application of this new procedure.
One of our PTSD patients, who had been an ongoing
psychotherapy with us for over three years, gave us informed
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consent to attempt the new experimental procedure. With myself and
another psychologist observing our colleague, accomplished in thirty minutes what
the patient had been unable to do in three years.
It was as if somebody had just turned on a
light bulb for the first time. For the next few years,
psychologists across the country, myself included, began to publish scientific
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studies in mainstream psychological journals which supported Shapiro's findings. This
technique is now known as EMDR. We're going to head
to the break now, and when we come back, you'll
hear from doctor Botkin in his own words about the
impact EMDR and IADC has had on him and with
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grief stricken individuals, which in turn has brought it in
communication with their loved ones. We'll be right back. You're
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Welcome back to Shades of the After My Life. I'm
Sandra Champlain. As we all know, grief is the most
painful thing we humans experience. I know when my dad died.
It took a good four years before I felt like
this dark cloud lifted from me. Hearing our last episode
with doctor Tom Neimei and how fast IADC therapy works.
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I want to make sure this information gets to the
most people as possible. Doctor Tom heard an episode I
had done with Doctor Alan Botkin. What were the words
that made a difference for him to follow this and
learn IADC therapy. Here they are. Here's doctor Alan Botkin,
author of the book Induced After Death Communication.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I had been working at an inpatient post traumatic stress
disorder unit at a local BA hospital for a number
of years treating combat veterans with traumatic memories and pretty
severe PTSD, and for a while, the only available treatments
were what were called exposure therapies, where you'd have the
patient talk about the traumatic event repeatedly in a safe
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and supportive and non judgmental environment, and the idea was
that over time the emotional intensity associated with those memories
would decrease. At least that's theoretically what was supposed to happen.
The work was extremely difficult, mostly for our patients. When
they did work on a traumatic memory during the day,
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they were pretty much awake all night, and if they
did fall asleep, they generally had nightmares of the trauma
they worked on during the day. And then a brand
new therapy came out in the early nineties and we
were one of the first to use it. It was
called Eye movement Desensitization and reprocessing or EMDR, and the
idea with that was is you have the patient to
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tend to a certain aspect of their traumatic memory, while
at the same time you'd get because or her eyes
moving back and forth left to right in a particular
rhythmic fashion. When we first heard about it, that sounded
a little silly to us, but we are at least
open minded enough to give it a try, and we
found that oftentimes in a single session, we were able
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to process a traumatic memory to the point where patients
would say things like, you know, Doc, this is the
first time when I remember what happened, I feel like
it's finally over and it feels far away to me,
which was the opposite of a traumatic memory, which is
you don't only remember it, you also relived the moment
when you do remember it, but I move But did
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a beautiful job of the processing a traumatic memory.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Well.
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I had been working with EMDR for a little while
and there were parts about the standard protocol that didn't
make sense to me. So I did a lot of
experimentation with it, and most of my ideas didn't seem
to help, but I did hit up on a number
of changes seemed to make EMBR work even better and
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more rapidly. So one day after I had made that
final change, I was working with a patient. When we
were done at the end of the session, opened his
eyes and said that the deceased person he was grieving
had come to him in this beautiful vision and told
him that she was okay, and so on and so forth.
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My patient was absolutely convinced that this ers's spirit had
come to him. Well, at the time, I didn't know
what these experiences were even called. I didn't know there
was a name for him, which is after death communication
or ADC. And these experiences occur spontaneously in the general population,
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so they're not new, and they've been known to assist
in the grieving process. So anyway, when my patient had
the experience, I thought maybe he had hallucinated, and I
was concerned about him, that his psycho logical condition had
deteriorated which caused him to hallucinate. But he left the
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office feeling joyous and happy, and he slept well that night,
and his joy blasted into the next day, into the
next week, and so on and so forth. The case
I just briefly referred to was the first time that
accidentally happened in therapy, and I was working with a
veteran I call Sam. He had become very close to
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an orphan Vietnamese girl named Lee in Vietnam. She was
about ten years old, and he had plans to adopt
her and bring her back home with him to the States.
He didn't know at the time the government wouldn't have
allowed that, but he didn't know that at the time. Anyway,
one day she was shot and killed right in front
of him, and that was pretty much the cause of
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his psychological undoing in Vietnam. And he after that volunteered
for dangerous missions and so on, and he covered his
sadness with his rage. Well, when I was working with
him with the eye movements, with the early version of
IADC therapy, we processed all those really painful emotions, and
then I gave him an extra sand of eye movements
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and he closed his eyes, and when he opened to me,
he told me Lee had come to him as a
fully grown woman, dressed in a beautiful white gown, beautiful
long black chair, and surrounded by the most beautiful white
light he had ever seen. And privately she thanked Sam
for taking such good care of her back then, and
then Sam responded, I love you Lee, and Lee responded,
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I love you too, Sam, and reached out and gave
Sam a hug, and he was absolutely convinced he could
feel her arms around him. Maybe a few days after that,
another one of my patients had this experience which just
seemed to come out of the blue, and his response
was equally positive. And after a while I thought, she
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wouldn't it be nice if more of my patients could
experience this? So I went back and looked in my
notes and kind of figure out what I had done
that caused the experience to happen. And when I added
those extra elements, nearly all of my patients were reporting
these ADC experiences. As a psychologist, my primary concern is
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healing people, and having worked with combat PTSD guys and
now I work with many parents who lose children and
so on, I see the worst of the worst, and
my number one goal is to bring relief and to
bring a sense of peace to these people, which IADC
does very well. So that is my main mission. And
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as a matter of fact, the IADC therapy works equally
well regardless of my patient's beliefs. It works just as
well with atheists as it does with drue believers. The
procedure itself seems to open people up, regardless of beliefs,
to this very natural experience. It really does seem to
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be permanent cure. Probably one of the best physiological theories
has to do with dream sleep. When we're asleep and dreaming,
our brains are actually processing and integrating information more rapidly
and efficiently than when we're awake. And it's been known
for some time that this increased processing during dreaming causes
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our eyes to dart back and forth, which is why
dream sleep is called rabbit I movement or rem sleep.
The discovery of EMDR seems to suggest that you can
take a fully awake person get her to move orize
in a similar fashion. It actually puts the brain into
that higher processing mode. Then we can use it when
people are wide awake, So it's a very natural healing
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mechanism that we all have. It's just not turned on
all the time. When I first came out with this
in a public kind of way, I expected to give
criticism from scientific colleagues, but in fact, most of the
feedback I've gotten from those kind of people have been
very positive. People in very conservative university environments have written
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me letters and say I admire your courage, keep doing
what you're doing, and so on and so forth. The
only people that really have harsh words for this are
the people I think of as die hard skeptics, where
they sort of make a living out of being a skeptic.
And those are people generally who have their minds made
up about what's possible and what can't be possible. But
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I think the true scientific attitude is you follow the
evidence induced ADCs come across as though they've been through
a life review. Even to these people who are terrible
people in LFE are always experienced in ADCs as being
for the first time very aware of all the pain
they caused and other people. They're very sincere about it.
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They take responsibility for what they did. I have even
worked with the Vietnam Vets who purposefully killed civilians. At
the time, they were full of anger and rage, but
they had enough courage to face their pain and their
sadness which came out later in life, so they could
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actually grieve the people they killed. In all of those cases,
forgiveness from that deceased person was there. But it's not
an easy out. It's not an easy way to get
out of the bad things you did, because you have
to grieve for your victims the same way you'd agree
for your own mother. You have to connect on that
same deep level of humanity. IADC is successful in terms
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of inducing an ADC experience about seventy five percent of
the time, and so in about twenty five percent of
cases people don't have these spears. It works equally well
with pets and some animals. I'll give you one of
my favorite examples. This guy had lost an uncle who
was like a father figure to him. In his ADC experience,
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he had a vision of his uncle standing there and
holding the family dog from back then, whom my patient
also I grew up with that dog as well. But anyway,
my patient had a real nice ADC conversation with his
uncle and felt really good about that. And he came
up to me the next morning and he said, all
through the night when he was trying to go to sweep,
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he felt like something was jumping on him. And so
we went back to it and did the procedure again
the next morning, and it was indeed the dog. And
so in his ADC with the dog, he played with
the dog and you know, hugged the dog with a
dog like them and they had a great time together.
To be eligible for EMDR training, one needs to be
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recognized by one state as a licensed mental health practitioner,
which covers a lot of different professions. You know, psychiatrist, psychologists,
social workers, Master's levels, psychiatric nurses, LPC's, MSW's. All of
those people are licensed professionals and qualified for EMDR and IADC.
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As simple as it sounds, you know, you're sitting there
having somebody move their eyes back and forth and so on.
The work is extremely intense. The analogy is kind of
like doing surgery. I mean, you're really going into a
person and going to their deepest pain, and sometimes you
can get some spinoffs from that. If you don't have
a background in mental health, you're not going to be
able to recognize what those spinoffs are and be able
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to deal with them effectively. Now, IADC, at the same time,
is extremely safe. Out of thousands of cases, there have
been no reported adverse effects of any kind. So if
it's done properly and with somebody adequately trained, there's no problem.
But just to go home and kind of do this
on your own, it can be dangerous.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Thank you, doctor Allan Bodkin. Is it time for IADC
therapy to be the top grief therapy in the world?
I think maybe it is. Feel free to share this
episode along with others if they make a difference for you.
Let's go to the break and we'll find out more
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I'm Sandra Champlain. What I'd like to read to you
now is doctor Botkin's words comparing near death experiences and
induced after death communications. Now, remember this article was written
twenty years ago. He says. It has been thirty years
since Elizabeth Kobler Ross wrote on Death and Dying, and
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a quarter century since Raymond Moody wrote Life After Life.
These two individuals, more than anyone else, sparked the public's
interest in the experience of those who come close to death.
It is now commonly accepted that roughly one of all
people who come close to death, upon regaining consciousness, report
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having had a wonderful and life changing spiritual experience. Moody
labeled these experiences near death experiences or NDEs. He pointed
out that as a result of medical advances and resuscitation techniques,
many more people were being brought back from the brink
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of death than in the past. The many books on
NDEs that followed Moody's Life after Life generally support his
observations regarding the content of the experience. The general sequence
of events that occur when a person is at a
point close to death includes floating out of one's physical body,
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a feeling of indescribable peace and happiness, going through a
tunnel or passageway towards a light, meeting with friends and
relatives who have previously died, seeing beautiful landscapes with bright
and rich colors, experiencing a life review, meeting a loving
being of light, and returning to one's physical body. The
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more I became aware of the content of my patient's
ADC experiences, the more I realized they were consistently reporting
almost all of the same elements of NDEs, but from
a very different perspective. Whereas NDEs occur as one approaches death,
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in ADC's one experiences another who has already died. Aside
from this obvious difference, the two experiences are essentially identical.
During ADC's the experiencer sometimes sees the whole body of
the deceased, and sometimes only the face. Either case, they
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often appear radiant or surrounded by light. Children who die
very young are usually seen as older, unlike the twelve
year old girl in Marx ADC, people who were very
old or ill prior to death are always experienced as
younger and healthy. A face that was worry worn in
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life will always appear peaceful and serene. I have not
had a single ADC case where the deceased did not
look peaceful, serene, content or happy. Almost all those who
have had NDEs described a similar feeling of peace. That
feeling is so pleasant that some ND experiencers have difficulty
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expressing it in words. For the ADC experiencer, perceiving the
deceased in such a profoundly positive emotional state greatly expedites
the resolution of grief. In many cases, the person who
has the ADC the experiences the same feeling as though
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it was somehow transmitted from the deceased. When this occurs,
the feeling of peace, in most instances immediately and completely
replaces whatever feelings of loss or pain that the person
brought to the experience. ADC experiencers sometimes go through a
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tunnel or passageway before they get to the deceased. There
is usually a bright light at the end of the tunnel,
and experiencers somehow know during the experience that the deceased
is somewhere in the light. People who have near death
experiences sometimes report the identical experience, and they too report
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meeting deceased loved ones in that light. Meeting the deceased
in both ADC's and NDEs is essentially identical. They are
always loving encounters. The only difference is that in NDEs
the conversation often involves the issue of whether the nd
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experiencer is to remain there or go back to his
or her body, whereas in ADC's the focus is almost
always related to the grief issues or concerns of the
experiencer and is sometimes perceived as related to the issues
and concerns of the deceased as well. Beautiful landscapes are
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common in the reports of both NDEs and ADC's. Beautiful trees, hills, bushes, grass,
and streams are frequently reported. Colors are typically brighter and richer,
and sometimes even radiant in appearance, as one ADC patient said,
it was the greenest green I've ever seen. But even
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more than appearance, some ND and ADC experiencers have reported
the scenery itself exudes a feeling of peace and tranquility,
which is then transmitted to the experiencer. Although survivors do
not directly experience any portion of their own life review
or that of the deceased, in induced ADCs, the deceased
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consistently appear as if they have been through a life review,
and the whole life review portion of NDEs. The person
near death experiences his or her life in just a
few brief moments. The content of the experience generally includes
a special focus on feelings that were experienced at different
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moments in life. However, the person near death not only
experiences his or her own feelings, but also those of
the other people in the experiencer's life at different moments. Thus,
an important part of the life review appears to be
the experience of the feelings that one caused in others,
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some of which are positive and some negative. Of those
who have experienced life reviews report that it is a
profound and life changing learning experience. People who experience life
reviews generally develop an increased sense of empathy and an
interest in serving others. In induced ADCs, the deceased are
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consistently experienced as having learned from their mistakes and as
having taken responsibility for how they treated other people in life.
They also appear to be very concerned about any negative
feelings that they caused in others during life. This is
particularly evident in those cases in which the deceased lived
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troubled or even violent lives. With the above considerations in mind,
NDEs and induced ADC's are actually very consistent in terms
of the life review. The relationship between NDEs and ADCs
is further supported by the observation that a number of
MY patients, usually those who did not know the deceased personally,
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actually witnessed the end of the deceased during their own ADC.
This kind of experience has been associated primarily with the
battlefield and hospital deaths, and these ADC experiences, a perceived
direct two way communication between the patient and the deceased
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usually does not occur. However, important information is nevertheless received
by the patient, which so far has resolved whatever issues
the patient brought to the experience. Typically during this kind
of ADC, the experiencer sees a translucent body or spirit
rise from the physical body at the point of death,
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usually with a very peaceful or serene appearance, and sometimes
then proceed through a tunnel or towards a light. Grief
is resolved for the patient as the result of experiencing
the other person's peaceful continuation of life at the point
of death. Interestingly, none of my patients who had this
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kind of experience had been aware beforehand of nd content,
and all were very surprised and some even a little
confused by the experience. Bob, for example, was initially confused
because he did not understand how the deceased could have
moved towards a bright light because the death had occurred
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at night in the jungle. A final argument that NDEs
and ADCs are essentially the same phenomena experienced from different
perspectives is that those patients who have had both NDEs
and induced ADC's all reported that both the quality and
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the psychological impact of the two experiences were essentially the same.
These patients also believed with certainty that the two experiences
tapped into the same spiritual reality. In short, the remarkable
similarities and overlap between NDEs and ADC's would lead one
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to conclude that they are at least closely related phenomena,
whatever the mechanism might be. Perhaps, however, as experiencers have argued,
they are the same spiritual phenomena experience from different perspectives.
The nd being from the point of view of a
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person approaching death and the ADC from the point of
view of an alive person contacting one who is already dead.
Both suggest something about what the experience of death may
be like, and remarkably reports of both experiences are strikingly similar.
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If it turns out that they are both a connection
to the same spiritual reality, then NDEs are not just
transitory experiences that occur before one dies, because the deceased
are experienced as having continued in the same general mode
during ADC's. This is really good news, my friends, giving
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us an idea of what it's like when we die
through a near death experience, but also being able to
witness that while still being alive having an induced ADC.
What do other therapists think of this? Gary says, At
the time I learned of the existence of IADC, I
had been a psychotherapist for twenty two years and had
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been a practitioner of Standard Protocol EMDR. Within days of
learning IADC, I arranged to be taught the technique directly
from doctor Alan Bodkin. Since completing the training and employing
his methods, I have reliably been able to achieve results
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in healing grief and trauma that go far beyond anything
I had ever previously seen or could even have imagined.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and if you are a trained professional therapist and would
like to learn IADC therapy, simply go to induced ADC
dot com. I'd like to continue reading doctor Alan Botkins's
words from the Induction of After Death Communications utilizing eye movement,
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desensitization and reprocessing, a new discovery that was written in
the year two thousand in the Journal of Near Death Studies.
I do have some more stories for you. The first
he talks about data summary. Out of eighty four patients
for whom an ADC induction was offered, ninety nine percent
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were willing to participate in an induction. Of the eighty
three patients who participated, eighty one or ninety eight percent
achieved and after death communication defined as any perceived sensory
contact with the deceased. Of the eighty one patients who
achieved an ADC. Ninety six percent reported full resis solution
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of grief following the ADC, and ninety four percent believed
their ADC was an actual spiritual contact. Of those seventy
six patients who believed their ADC was an actual spiritual contact,
only six or eight percent had believed prior to the
ADC that actual contact was possible. This summary is based
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upon the first eighty four patients to whom I offered
an ADC induction. It is clear that people who experienced
induced ADCs, in almost all cases, believe that their experience
was actual contact with the deceased. The foregoing was the
only information I recorded on a regular basis other than
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the verbal reports of my patients. Although I initially had
some interest in the potential effects of varying prior belief
systems on ADC induction outcomes, I did not keep a
record of the data. However, I have worked with many
patients who described themselves as atheists, many who were unsure
about their beliefs, and many who professed strong religious convictions.
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The fact that ninety eight percent of patients achieve ADC's
no matter what they believe, as long as they are
able and willing to participate in the procedure strongly suggests
that the difference in the subject's prior belief systems is
of little consequence. Again, this is two ninety minute sessions
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of induced after death communication grief therapy. Here are some
cases Bob. Bob and his unit had set up camp
for the night in Vietnam. He and two buddies had
guard duty, and they were ordered to shoot anything that
moved outside of their perimeter. Later that night, they detected
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movement in the bush not too far from their position.
All three opened fire and it appeared that they hit
whoever or whatever was out there. They had to wait
for daylight, however, to go out and see what it was.
The next morning they all went out and found that
they had shot and killed a Vietnamese woman and her
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infant child. The woman was unarmed and for some unknown reason,
had wandered close to their camp at the time, Bob
was enraged at the senselessness of what had happened. For
many years since the incident, Bob has suffered from intrusive
images of their dead bodies. When he presented this memory
in psychotherapy, his primary feeling was overwhelming sadness. The usual
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induction procedure was provided. However, in Bob's ADC, he spontaneously
went back in time to the moment the woman and
child died. Although during the incident he did not see
the bodies until the next morning, in his ADC, he
saw what looked like the spirits of the mother and
child rise out of their bodies at the moment of death.
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The mother then held the child in her arms, turned
and proceeded to drift through a large tunnel and towards
a bright light. They had a very peaceful look on
their faces, and they appeared to move with a sense
of purpose. Bob's feeling of sadness was replaced by a
feeling of happiness, which he experienced during his ADC. He
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was also comforted by his knowledge that the mother and
child had maintained their loving relationship. He believed that his
experience proved that there is life after death. Bob was
somewhat confused, however, by the appearance of the bright light
in his ADC, because at the time of the incident
it was completely dark. Bob was unaware of nd reports,
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which I offered as one of the possible interpretations. A
month later, after Job successfully completed work on some other issues.
He terminated psychotherapy. At that time, he no longer felt
sad about the incident, and all the associated intrusive images
had disappeared. Experiencing the NDEs of others during an ADC
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is not rare and occurs most frequently when there was
no relationship between the deceased and the ADC experiencer. It
is also noteworthy that Bob knew nothing about NDEs prior
to his ADC experience. Here's Pam's story. Pam's mother died
nearly thirty years ago when Pam was fourteen years old.
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She and her mother, as the only females in the family,
developed a close relationship. Her mother lived only three months
after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Her father and three
brothers grieved her death, but Pam believed it was her
job to take her mother's place as the strong one
in the family, and as a result, never fully addressed
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her own issues regarding her mother's death. A brother also
blamed Pam for their mother's rapid demise because the mother
remained active in Pam's life until her death. Pam had
been and continues to be a successful physician. However, she
maintains an extremely demanding professional schedule that brings her at
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times to the point of exhaustion. After a year and
a half of psychotherapy with another therapist, she had made
some progress in terms of allowing herself to express her grief,
and she had come to realize that her overly responsible
caretaking role was tied in many ways to her response
to her mother's death. However, these improvements had done little
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to help her make significant changes in her routine, and
she continued to experience significant guilt and loss over her
mother's death. In the first ADC attempt, Pam found herself
going through a tunnel and towards a bright light, but
she found herself getting frustrated because she could not get
to the end of the tunnel. She was unaware of
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the significance of the tunnel and the light, and therefore
it was reassuring for her to hear that it meant
that the experience was beginning to unfold. After some emdr
to promote relaxation, another induction was performed. This time her
mother was there. During her relatively long ADC, A few
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tears rolled down Pam's face while she kept her eyes closed.
When it was over, she opened her eyes and she
was very excited about what had happened. She stated, I
saw my mother very clearly. She looked younger and thinner.
My mother had put on weight the last ten years
of her life. She looked happy, healthy, peaceful, and she
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had a spark in her eyes that seemed to emanate
a glow around her. Pam then laughed and said, my
mother was sitting on a large rock by the beach
and one of those old style bathing suits, but the
surroundings were much more beautiful than any beach scene I've
ever seen. Pam's mother communicated to her that she was
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very proud of what she had accomplished in her life
and that there was no reason for her to feel
guilty about anything. Pam also experienced a warm connectedness that
we used to have, as she said. Pam also pointed
out that when her mother was alive, there was always
a touch of sadness in her smile, but that it
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was gone and she appeared to be genuinely happy. Pam
then stated, I can't believe how peaceful I feel. Like
there's been a tremendous burden lifted off of me, and
I have the sense that she is not gone and
will always be with me. Pam felt that all her
issues related to the death of her mother had completely resolved.
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She emphasized more than once expected her experience was Ten
months later, she reported that she still continued to feel
much better and that she could still experience that same
peaceful feeling when she took the time to think about it.
Although she had made plans to cut back on her
rigorous schedule, it was too soon to evaluate her success
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in that area. This publication has other stories, but there's
many stories included in both the books Induced After Death Communication,
A Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss by doctor Alan L. Botkin.
Doctor Raymond Moody wrote the ForWord in that and then
please go back to the previous episode where I interview
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doctor Tom Nemi and his book is called Inspired Life,
Beautiful Death, Healing Grief, Overcoming Fear of Death and Living
a Spiritual Life. Doctor Tom can be reached at Healing
Grief with iai DC dot com and you can find
IADC therapists around the world at induced ADC dot com.
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If you're a therapist, you can begin your grief training
journey there. At the moment I am not experiencing intense grief,
but I can tell you it'll happen as it does
for all of us humans, And the first place I'm
going to go is to a trained IADC therapist who
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wouldn't want to have this experience. I invite you to
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
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that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My daily
motivational calendar this morning said, good things take time, but
in this case, I think enough time has passed and
I want to help speed up this message. What message
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am I talking about, Well, it's about IADC therapy. When
we were together last you met doctor Tom Nimi, a
clinical psychologist who first heard about doctor Alan Botkin and
his IADC therapy on one of my previous episodes. He
thought this seems too good to be true, and the
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little voice inside of him said, I better check this out.
Doctor Tom took the training only to find out that
Induced after Death Communication grief therapy is real. Just two
ninety minute IADC therapy sessions greatly reduces or eliminates grief,
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helping people to go back to living lives. But as
a side effect, over seventy five percent of the people
experience their deceased loved ones. Somehow, this therapy seems to
transport people to an altered state, allowing them to possibly see, feel,
hear their loved ones. Some get big hugs from them.
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Even their animals can be present, giving them more reasons
to heal. Today, on our time together, I want to
dive deeper into IADC and give you some case studies
from doctor Alan Botkin, who wrote the book Induced After
Death Communication, a Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss. On
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our second segment today, I want to play some words
from that original episode that doctor Tom Nemi heard and
felt so compeld to learn this methodology. My hope is
that therapists in the world can help others by learning
this therapy method so that people can be relieved from
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their grief. Yes, I know we all want to connect
with our loved ones, but you must go into this
therapy looking for grief relief, not looking for the afterlife
for it to be effective. Doctor Alan Botkin is now retired,
and so there's good therapists like doctor Tom Nimi and
others working with induced ADC dot com it's a good
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website to go to. Also, please go back and listen
to the last episode with doctor Tom. You can also
check out my past episode's number sixty six twenty eight
one ninety four. I know this is a lot to
keep track of, but you can always listen to the
beginning of this episode to find those links. Let me
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read an example of doctor Alan Botkins's work so you
get a taste of what this is. He had written
an article for the Journal of Near Death Studies. The
article is called the Induction of After Death Communications Utilizing
eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing a new discovery. This is
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a twenty nine page article, So I'm just going to
pick different stories to read here. This one is titled Mark.
Mark was involved in a very serious car accident nearly
twenty five years prior to our session. Although Mark was uninjured,
two adults and a twelve year old girl who were
in the other car were killed. He reported that he
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knew nothing else about the victims because he was taken
away in a different ambulance, and he subsequently avoided all
television and newspaper reports of the incident. The accident had
been Mark's fault, and he was found guilty of negligent homicide.
This incident completely changed Mark's life. Although he had been
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a good student and had plans for a professional career,
his deep sadness and severe guilt resulted in a dysfunctional
life which included recurring major depressions, two suicide attempts, failed marriages,
drug abuse, and employment difficulties. Mark believed that since there
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was no way to undo what had happened, he was
destined to suffer for the rest of his life. After
some preliminary emd R to alleviate anxiety, an ADC was induced.
That's after death communication, Mark saw all three of the
victims standing together and smiling with a look of joy,
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peace and contentment. They seemed very happy being together and
liked very much much where they were. Although he had
never seen these people before, he was sure it was they.
He could see each one very clearly, especially the girl
who was standing in front of the two adults. She
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had short red hair, freckles, and a distinctive smile. Mark
also somehow got the clear impression that the male adult
who began to walk around the scene was communicating to
him that he had had multiple sclerosis before he died,
and that he was happy about the fact he was
now able to move around freely. Mark privately told all
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three that he was very sorry about what had happened
and that he felt very sad about the whole thing.
Mark reported that they gave him the message that they
had been waiting to hear what he had to say,
and that they all forgave him. Mark was astonished by
his experience. He said, I didn't picture all of this.
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It just came to me as clear as I'm looking
at you right now. I didn't imagine it. I couldn't
have imagined it. His feelings of sadness and guilt appeared
to have fully resolved. He felt as though a huge
burden had been lifted off of him. He had some
concern that I would think he was crazy, but I
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reassured him that was not the case. Mark left the
session feeling great. The next day, however, I received a
frantic phone call from Mark. He said he had to
see me right away. He was in my office within
an hour. He explained that since he was feeling so
much better, he stopped by his sister's house the night
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before and asked her to get out the old newspaper
clippings from the accident, which he knew she had kept
in her attic. He nearly freaked out when he saw
a picture of the girl with short red hair, freckles,
and the same distinctive smile. The newspaper articles also reported
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that the man had severe multiple sclerosis and had been
wheelchair bound for a number of years prior to his death.
Although the day before Mark believed that his experience was real,
the newspaper clippings proved beyond any doubt that it was real.
His primary concern was that the spirits of these three
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people might change their minds and come back to punish
him in the future. I was able to reassure him
that although I had considerable experience in inducing ADC's and
had read hundreds of first hand accounts, I had never
heard of a single case in which an ADC was
either punitive or negative. I also explained to him that
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it was clear the day before that all issues between
the three people and him had been resolved. He left
my office feeling reassured and better again, continued in therapy
for about two months, during which time he addressed a
different issue. During that time, all issues pertaining to the
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accident remained resolved, and he denied any further concern about
a possible negative ADC in the future. Only infrequently is
it possible to obtain independent evidence which has some bearing
on the validity of ADC content. For that reason, when
it does occur, it is of interest. Of course, in
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this case, we must rely on the reliability of Mark's reports.
Although the newspaper clippings proved to Mark that his experience
was real, they do not constitute proof for the rest
of us. Even if he had showed me the newspaper articles,
one could argue either that Mark was lying about having
not seen them, or that he repressed the fact that
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he had seen them because it was psychologically too painful
for him to remember. Yet I do not believe Mark
was lying and repressing that material appears very unlikely given
his age at the time of the accident and his
psychological history. The case also illustrates a frequent observation that
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some deceased people appear not to have aged, even though
they died at a relatively young age. After twenty five years,
the twelve year old girl still look like a twelve
year old girl. It is also noteworthy that Mark reported
that the three victims of the accident were waiting to
hear what Mark had to say. Although the victims were
ultimately experienced as forgiving, it appears here that the resolution
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of unfinished business needed to occur first. Emdr I Movement
desensitization and reprocessing is proven to be the most effective
therapy when treating PTSD, says the vast majority of studies.
How did it all be? Again? The treatment was discovered
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in the late nineteen eighties by Francine Shapiro, who, while
walking through a park one day and feeling upset about
some troubling and reoccurring thoughts, found herself spontaneously shifting her
eyes back and forth. She noticed that the shifting of
her eyes greatly reduced the negative emotional charge and intrusive
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nature of her thoughts. Then she tried the technique on
friends and colleagues and surprisingly got the same results. She
went on to conduct controlled scientific studies on subjects diagnosed
with PTSD and found that the technique produced psychotherapeutic outcomes
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unprecedented in the field of mental health. When speaking about
he and his colleagues, doctor Botkin says, we were open
minded enough to at least give it a try. I
will never forget our first application of this new procedure.
One of our PTSD patients, who had been an ongoing
psychotherapy with us for over three years, gave us informed
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consent to attempt the new experimental procedure. With myself and
another psychologist observing our colleague, accomplished in thirty minutes what
the patient had been unable to do in three years.
It was as if somebody had just turned on a
light bulb for the first time. For the next few years,
psychologists across the country, myself included, began to publish scientific
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studies in mainstream psychological journals which supported Shapiro's findings. This
technique is now known as EMDR. We're going to head
to the break now, and when we come back, you'll
hear from doctor Botkin in his own words about the
impact EMDR and IADC has had on him and with
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grief stricken individuals, which in turn has brought it in
communication with their loved ones. We'll be right back. You're
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Welcome back to Shades of the After My Life. I'm
Sandra Champlain. As we all know, grief is the most
painful thing we humans experience. I know when my dad died.
It took a good four years before I felt like
this dark cloud lifted from me. Hearing our last episode
with doctor Tom Neimei and how fast IADC therapy works.
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I want to make sure this information gets to the
most people as possible. Doctor Tom heard an episode I
had done with Doctor Alan Botkin. What were the words
that made a difference for him to follow this and
learn IADC therapy. Here they are. Here's doctor Alan Botkin,
author of the book Induced After Death Communication.
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I had been working at an inpatient post traumatic stress
disorder unit at a local BA hospital for a number
of years treating combat veterans with traumatic memories and pretty
severe PTSD, and for a while, the only available treatments
were what were called exposure therapies, where you'd have the
patient talk about the traumatic event repeatedly in a safe
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and supportive and non judgmental environment, and the idea was
that over time the emotional intensity associated with those memories
would decrease. At least that's theoretically what was supposed to happen.
The work was extremely difficult, mostly for our patients. When
they did work on a traumatic memory during the day,
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they were pretty much awake all night, and if they
did fall asleep, they generally had nightmares of the trauma
they worked on during the day. And then a brand
new therapy came out in the early nineties and we
were one of the first to use it. It was
called Eye movement Desensitization and reprocessing or EMDR, and the
idea with that was is you have the patient to
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tend to a certain aspect of their traumatic memory, while
at the same time you'd get because or her eyes
moving back and forth left to right in a particular
rhythmic fashion. When we first heard about it, that sounded
a little silly to us, but we are at least
open minded enough to give it a try, and we
found that oftentimes in a single session, we were able
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to process a traumatic memory to the point where patients
would say things like, you know, Doc, this is the
first time when I remember what happened, I feel like
it's finally over and it feels far away to me,
which was the opposite of a traumatic memory, which is
you don't only remember it, you also relived the moment
when you do remember it, but I move But did
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a beautiful job of the processing a traumatic memory.
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Well.
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I had been working with EMDR for a little while
and there were parts about the standard protocol that didn't
make sense to me. So I did a lot of
experimentation with it, and most of my ideas didn't seem
to help, but I did hit up on a number
of changes seemed to make EMBR work even better and
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more rapidly. So one day after I had made that
final change, I was working with a patient. When we
were done at the end of the session, opened his
eyes and said that the deceased person he was grieving
had come to him in this beautiful vision and told
him that she was okay, and so on and so forth.
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My patient was absolutely convinced that this ers's spirit had
come to him. Well, at the time, I didn't know
what these experiences were even called. I didn't know there
was a name for him, which is after death communication
or ADC. And these experiences occur spontaneously in the general population,
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so they're not new, and they've been known to assist
in the grieving process. So anyway, when my patient had
the experience, I thought maybe he had hallucinated, and I
was concerned about him, that his psycho logical condition had
deteriorated which caused him to hallucinate. But he left the
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office feeling joyous and happy, and he slept well that night,
and his joy blasted into the next day, into the
next week, and so on and so forth. The case
I just briefly referred to was the first time that
accidentally happened in therapy, and I was working with a
veteran I call Sam. He had become very close to
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an orphan Vietnamese girl named Lee in Vietnam. She was
about ten years old, and he had plans to adopt
her and bring her back home with him to the States.
He didn't know at the time the government wouldn't have
allowed that, but he didn't know that at the time. Anyway,
one day she was shot and killed right in front
of him, and that was pretty much the cause of
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his psychological undoing in Vietnam. And he after that volunteered
for dangerous missions and so on, and he covered his
sadness with his rage. Well, when I was working with
him with the eye movements, with the early version of
IADC therapy, we processed all those really painful emotions, and
then I gave him an extra sand of eye movements
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and he closed his eyes, and when he opened to me,
he told me Lee had come to him as a
fully grown woman, dressed in a beautiful white gown, beautiful
long black chair, and surrounded by the most beautiful white
light he had ever seen. And privately she thanked Sam
for taking such good care of her back then, and
then Sam responded, I love you Lee, and Lee responded,
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I love you too, Sam, and reached out and gave
Sam a hug, and he was absolutely convinced he could
feel her arms around him. Maybe a few days after that,
another one of my patients had this experience which just
seemed to come out of the blue, and his response
was equally positive. And after a while I thought, she
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wouldn't it be nice if more of my patients could
experience this? So I went back and looked in my
notes and kind of figure out what I had done
that caused the experience to happen. And when I added
those extra elements, nearly all of my patients were reporting
these ADC experiences. As a psychologist, my primary concern is
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healing people, and having worked with combat PTSD guys and
now I work with many parents who lose children and
so on, I see the worst of the worst, and
my number one goal is to bring relief and to
bring a sense of peace to these people, which IADC
does very well. So that is my main mission. And
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as a matter of fact, the IADC therapy works equally
well regardless of my patient's beliefs. It works just as
well with atheists as it does with drue believers. The
procedure itself seems to open people up, regardless of beliefs,
to this very natural experience. It really does seem to
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be permanent cure. Probably one of the best physiological theories
has to do with dream sleep. When we're asleep and dreaming,
our brains are actually processing and integrating information more rapidly
and efficiently than when we're awake. And it's been known
for some time that this increased processing during dreaming causes
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our eyes to dart back and forth, which is why
dream sleep is called rabbit I movement or rem sleep.
The discovery of EMDR seems to suggest that you can
take a fully awake person get her to move orize
in a similar fashion. It actually puts the brain into
that higher processing mode. Then we can use it when
people are wide awake, So it's a very natural healing
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mechanism that we all have. It's just not turned on
all the time. When I first came out with this
in a public kind of way, I expected to give
criticism from scientific colleagues, but in fact, most of the
feedback I've gotten from those kind of people have been
very positive. People in very conservative university environments have written
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me letters and say I admire your courage, keep doing
what you're doing, and so on and so forth. The
only people that really have harsh words for this are
the people I think of as die hard skeptics, where
they sort of make a living out of being a skeptic.
And those are people generally who have their minds made
up about what's possible and what can't be possible. But
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I think the true scientific attitude is you follow the
evidence induced ADCs come across as though they've been through
a life review. Even to these people who are terrible
people in LFE are always experienced in ADCs as being
for the first time very aware of all the pain
they caused and other people. They're very sincere about it.
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They take responsibility for what they did. I have even
worked with the Vietnam Vets who purposefully killed civilians. At
the time, they were full of anger and rage, but
they had enough courage to face their pain and their
sadness which came out later in life, so they could
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actually grieve the people they killed. In all of those cases,
forgiveness from that deceased person was there. But it's not
an easy out. It's not an easy way to get
out of the bad things you did, because you have
to grieve for your victims the same way you'd agree
for your own mother. You have to connect on that
same deep level of humanity. IADC is successful in terms
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of inducing an ADC experience about seventy five percent of
the time, and so in about twenty five percent of
cases people don't have these spears. It works equally well
with pets and some animals. I'll give you one of
my favorite examples. This guy had lost an uncle who
was like a father figure to him. In his ADC experience,
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he had a vision of his uncle standing there and
holding the family dog from back then, whom my patient
also I grew up with that dog as well. But anyway,
my patient had a real nice ADC conversation with his
uncle and felt really good about that. And he came
up to me the next morning and he said, all
through the night when he was trying to go to sweep,
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he felt like something was jumping on him. And so
we went back to it and did the procedure again
the next morning, and it was indeed the dog. And
so in his ADC with the dog, he played with
the dog and you know, hugged the dog with a
dog like them and they had a great time together.
To be eligible for EMDR training, one needs to be
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recognized by one state as a licensed mental health practitioner,
which covers a lot of different professions. You know, psychiatrist, psychologists,
social workers, Master's levels, psychiatric nurses, LPC's, MSW's. All of
those people are licensed professionals and qualified for EMDR and IADC.
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As simple as it sounds, you know, you're sitting there
having somebody move their eyes back and forth and so on.
The work is extremely intense. The analogy is kind of
like doing surgery. I mean, you're really going into a
person and going to their deepest pain, and sometimes you
can get some spinoffs from that. If you don't have
a background in mental health, you're not going to be
able to recognize what those spinoffs are and be able
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to deal with them effectively. Now, IADC, at the same time,
is extremely safe. Out of thousands of cases, there have
been no reported adverse effects of any kind. So if
it's done properly and with somebody adequately trained, there's no problem.
But just to go home and kind of do this
on your own, it can be dangerous.
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Thank you, doctor Allan Bodkin. Is it time for IADC
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I'm Sandra Champlain. What I'd like to read to you
now is doctor Botkin's words comparing near death experiences and
induced after death communications. Now, remember this article was written
twenty years ago. He says. It has been thirty years
since Elizabeth Kobler Ross wrote on Death and Dying, and
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a quarter century since Raymond Moody wrote Life After Life.
These two individuals, more than anyone else, sparked the public's
interest in the experience of those who come close to death.
It is now commonly accepted that roughly one of all
people who come close to death, upon regaining consciousness, report
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having had a wonderful and life changing spiritual experience. Moody
labeled these experiences near death experiences or NDEs. He pointed
out that as a result of medical advances and resuscitation techniques,
many more people were being brought back from the brink
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of death than in the past. The many books on
NDEs that followed Moody's Life after Life generally support his
observations regarding the content of the experience. The general sequence
of events that occur when a person is at a
point close to death includes floating out of one's physical body,
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a feeling of indescribable peace and happiness, going through a
tunnel or passageway towards a light, meeting with friends and
relatives who have previously died, seeing beautiful landscapes with bright
and rich colors, experiencing a life review, meeting a loving
being of light, and returning to one's physical body. The
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more I became aware of the content of my patient's
ADC experiences, the more I realized they were consistently reporting
almost all of the same elements of NDEs, but from
a very different perspective. Whereas NDEs occur as one approaches death,
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in ADC's one experiences another who has already died. Aside
from this obvious difference, the two experiences are essentially identical.
During ADC's the experiencer sometimes sees the whole body of
the deceased, and sometimes only the face. Either case, they
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often appear radiant or surrounded by light. Children who die
very young are usually seen as older, unlike the twelve
year old girl in Marx ADC, people who were very
old or ill prior to death are always experienced as
younger and healthy. A face that was worry worn in
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life will always appear peaceful and serene. I have not
had a single ADC case where the deceased did not
look peaceful, serene, content or happy. Almost all those who
have had NDEs described a similar feeling of peace. That
feeling is so pleasant that some ND experiencers have difficulty
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expressing it in words. For the ADC experiencer, perceiving the
deceased in such a profoundly positive emotional state greatly expedites
the resolution of grief. In many cases, the person who
has the ADC the experiences the same feeling as though
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it was somehow transmitted from the deceased. When this occurs,
the feeling of peace, in most instances immediately and completely
replaces whatever feelings of loss or pain that the person
brought to the experience. ADC experiencers sometimes go through a
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tunnel or passageway before they get to the deceased. There
is usually a bright light at the end of the tunnel,
and experiencers somehow know during the experience that the deceased
is somewhere in the light. People who have near death
experiences sometimes report the identical experience, and they too report
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meeting deceased loved ones in that light. Meeting the deceased
in both ADC's and NDEs is essentially identical. They are
always loving encounters. The only difference is that in NDEs
the conversation often involves the issue of whether the nd
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experiencer is to remain there or go back to his
or her body, whereas in ADC's the focus is almost
always related to the grief issues or concerns of the
experiencer and is sometimes perceived as related to the issues
and concerns of the deceased as well. Beautiful landscapes are
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common in the reports of both NDEs and ADC's. Beautiful trees, hills, bushes, grass,
and streams are frequently reported. Colors are typically brighter and richer,
and sometimes even radiant in appearance, as one ADC patient said,
it was the greenest green I've ever seen. But even
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more than appearance, some ND and ADC experiencers have reported
the scenery itself exudes a feeling of peace and tranquility,
which is then transmitted to the experiencer. Although survivors do
not directly experience any portion of their own life review
or that of the deceased, in induced ADCs, the deceased
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consistently appear as if they have been through a life review,
and the whole life review portion of NDEs. The person
near death experiences his or her life in just a
few brief moments. The content of the experience generally includes
a special focus on feelings that were experienced at different
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moments in life. However, the person near death not only
experiences his or her own feelings, but also those of
the other people in the experiencer's life at different moments. Thus,
an important part of the life review appears to be
the experience of the feelings that one caused in others,
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some of which are positive and some negative. Of those
who have experienced life reviews report that it is a
profound and life changing learning experience. People who experience life
reviews generally develop an increased sense of empathy and an
interest in serving others. In induced ADCs, the deceased are
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consistently experienced as having learned from their mistakes and as
having taken responsibility for how they treated other people in life.
They also appear to be very concerned about any negative
feelings that they caused in others during life. This is
particularly evident in those cases in which the deceased lived
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troubled or even violent lives. With the above considerations in mind,
NDEs and induced ADC's are actually very consistent in terms
of the life review. The relationship between NDEs and ADCs
is further supported by the observation that a number of
MY patients, usually those who did not know the deceased personally,
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actually witnessed the end of the deceased during their own ADC.
This kind of experience has been associated primarily with the
battlefield and hospital deaths, and these ADC experiences, a perceived
direct two way communication between the patient and the deceased
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usually does not occur. However, important information is nevertheless received
by the patient, which so far has resolved whatever issues
the patient brought to the experience. Typically during this kind
of ADC, the experiencer sees a translucent body or spirit
rise from the physical body at the point of death,
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usually with a very peaceful or serene appearance, and sometimes
then proceed through a tunnel or towards a light. Grief
is resolved for the patient as the result of experiencing
the other person's peaceful continuation of life at the point
of death. Interestingly, none of my patients who had this
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kind of experience had been aware beforehand of nd content,
and all were very surprised and some even a little
confused by the experience. Bob, for example, was initially confused
because he did not understand how the deceased could have
moved towards a bright light because the death had occurred
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at night in the jungle. A final argument that NDEs
and ADCs are essentially the same phenomena experienced from different
perspectives is that those patients who have had both NDEs
and induced ADC's all reported that both the quality and
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the psychological impact of the two experiences were essentially the same.
These patients also believed with certainty that the two experiences
tapped into the same spiritual reality. In short, the remarkable
similarities and overlap between NDEs and ADC's would lead one
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to conclude that they are at least closely related phenomena,
whatever the mechanism might be. Perhaps, however, as experiencers have argued,
they are the same spiritual phenomena experience from different perspectives.
The nd being from the point of view of a
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person approaching death and the ADC from the point of
view of an alive person contacting one who is already dead.
Both suggest something about what the experience of death may
be like, and remarkably reports of both experiences are strikingly similar.
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If it turns out that they are both a connection
to the same spiritual reality, then NDEs are not just
transitory experiences that occur before one dies, because the deceased
are experienced as having continued in the same general mode
during ADC's. This is really good news, my friends, giving
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us an idea of what it's like when we die
through a near death experience, but also being able to
witness that while still being alive having an induced ADC.
What do other therapists think of this? Gary says, At
the time I learned of the existence of IADC, I
had been a psychotherapist for twenty two years and had
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been a practitioner of Standard Protocol EMDR. Within days of
learning IADC, I arranged to be taught the technique directly
from doctor Alan Bodkin. Since completing the training and employing
his methods, I have reliably been able to achieve results
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in healing grief and trauma that go far beyond anything
I had ever previously seen or could even have imagined.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and if you are a trained professional therapist and would
like to learn IADC therapy, simply go to induced ADC
dot com. I'd like to continue reading doctor Alan Botkins's
words from the Induction of After Death Communications utilizing eye movement,
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desensitization and reprocessing, a new discovery that was written in
the year two thousand in the Journal of Near Death Studies.
I do have some more stories for you. The first
he talks about data summary. Out of eighty four patients
for whom an ADC induction was offered, ninety nine percent
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were willing to participate in an induction. Of the eighty
three patients who participated, eighty one or ninety eight percent
achieved and after death communication defined as any perceived sensory
contact with the deceased. Of the eighty one patients who
achieved an ADC. Ninety six percent reported full resis solution
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of grief following the ADC, and ninety four percent believed
their ADC was an actual spiritual contact. Of those seventy
six patients who believed their ADC was an actual spiritual contact,
only six or eight percent had believed prior to the
ADC that actual contact was possible. This summary is based
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upon the first eighty four patients to whom I offered
an ADC induction. It is clear that people who experienced
induced ADCs, in almost all cases, believe that their experience
was actual contact with the deceased. The foregoing was the
only information I recorded on a regular basis other than
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the verbal reports of my patients. Although I initially had
some interest in the potential effects of varying prior belief
systems on ADC induction outcomes, I did not keep a
record of the data. However, I have worked with many
patients who described themselves as atheists, many who were unsure
about their beliefs, and many who professed strong religious convictions.
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The fact that ninety eight percent of patients achieve ADC's
no matter what they believe, as long as they are
able and willing to participate in the procedure strongly suggests
that the difference in the subject's prior belief systems is
of little consequence. Again, this is two ninety minute sessions
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of induced after death communication grief therapy. Here are some
cases Bob. Bob and his unit had set up camp
for the night in Vietnam. He and two buddies had
guard duty, and they were ordered to shoot anything that
moved outside of their perimeter. Later that night, they detected
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movement in the bush not too far from their position.
All three opened fire and it appeared that they hit
whoever or whatever was out there. They had to wait
for daylight, however, to go out and see what it was.
The next morning they all went out and found that
they had shot and killed a Vietnamese woman and her
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infant child. The woman was unarmed and for some unknown reason,
had wandered close to their camp at the time, Bob
was enraged at the senselessness of what had happened. For
many years since the incident, Bob has suffered from intrusive
images of their dead bodies. When he presented this memory
in psychotherapy, his primary feeling was overwhelming sadness. The usual
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induction procedure was provided. However, in Bob's ADC, he spontaneously
went back in time to the moment the woman and
child died. Although during the incident he did not see
the bodies until the next morning, in his ADC, he
saw what looked like the spirits of the mother and
child rise out of their bodies at the moment of death.
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The mother then held the child in her arms, turned
and proceeded to drift through a large tunnel and towards
a bright light. They had a very peaceful look on
their faces, and they appeared to move with a sense
of purpose. Bob's feeling of sadness was replaced by a
feeling of happiness, which he experienced during his ADC. He
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was also comforted by his knowledge that the mother and
child had maintained their loving relationship. He believed that his
experience proved that there is life after death. Bob was
somewhat confused, however, by the appearance of the bright light
in his ADC, because at the time of the incident
it was completely dark. Bob was unaware of nd reports,
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which I offered as one of the possible interpretations. A
month later, after Job successfully completed work on some other issues.
He terminated psychotherapy. At that time, he no longer felt
sad about the incident, and all the associated intrusive images
had disappeared. Experiencing the NDEs of others during an ADC
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is not rare and occurs most frequently when there was
no relationship between the deceased and the ADC experiencer. It
is also noteworthy that Bob knew nothing about NDEs prior
to his ADC experience. Here's Pam's story. Pam's mother died
nearly thirty years ago when Pam was fourteen years old.
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She and her mother, as the only females in the family,
developed a close relationship. Her mother lived only three months
after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Her father and three
brothers grieved her death, but Pam believed it was her
job to take her mother's place as the strong one
in the family, and as a result, never fully addressed
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her own issues regarding her mother's death. A brother also
blamed Pam for their mother's rapid demise because the mother
remained active in Pam's life until her death. Pam had
been and continues to be a successful physician. However, she
maintains an extremely demanding professional schedule that brings her at
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times to the point of exhaustion. After a year and
a half of psychotherapy with another therapist, she had made
some progress in terms of allowing herself to express her grief,
and she had come to realize that her overly responsible
caretaking role was tied in many ways to her response
to her mother's death. However, these improvements had done little
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to help her make significant changes in her routine, and
she continued to experience significant guilt and loss over her
mother's death. In the first ADC attempt, Pam found herself
going through a tunnel and towards a bright light, but
she found herself getting frustrated because she could not get
to the end of the tunnel. She was unaware of
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the significance of the tunnel and the light, and therefore
it was reassuring for her to hear that it meant
that the experience was beginning to unfold. After some emdr
to promote relaxation, another induction was performed. This time her
mother was there. During her relatively long ADC, A few
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tears rolled down Pam's face while she kept her eyes closed.
When it was over, she opened her eyes and she
was very excited about what had happened. She stated, I
saw my mother very clearly. She looked younger and thinner.
My mother had put on weight the last ten years
of her life. She looked happy, healthy, peaceful, and she
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had a spark in her eyes that seemed to emanate
a glow around her. Pam then laughed and said, my
mother was sitting on a large rock by the beach
and one of those old style bathing suits, but the
surroundings were much more beautiful than any beach scene I've
ever seen. Pam's mother communicated to her that she was
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very proud of what she had accomplished in her life
and that there was no reason for her to feel
guilty about anything. Pam also experienced a warm connectedness that
we used to have, as she said. Pam also pointed
out that when her mother was alive, there was always
a touch of sadness in her smile, but that it
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was gone and she appeared to be genuinely happy. Pam
then stated, I can't believe how peaceful I feel. Like
there's been a tremendous burden lifted off of me, and
I have the sense that she is not gone and
will always be with me. Pam felt that all her
issues related to the death of her mother had completely resolved.
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She emphasized more than once expected her experience was Ten
months later, she reported that she still continued to feel
much better and that she could still experience that same
peaceful feeling when she took the time to think about it.
Although she had made plans to cut back on her
rigorous schedule, it was too soon to evaluate her success
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in that area. This publication has other stories, but there's
many stories included in both the books Induced After Death Communication,
A Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss by doctor Alan L. Botkin.
Doctor Raymond Moody wrote the ForWord in that and then
please go back to the previous episode where I interview
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doctor Tom Nemi and his book is called Inspired Life,
Beautiful Death, Healing Grief, Overcoming Fear of Death and Living
a Spiritual Life. Doctor Tom can be reached at Healing
Grief with iai DC dot com and you can find
IADC therapists around the world at induced ADC dot com.
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If you're a therapist, you can begin your grief training
journey there. At the moment I am not experiencing intense grief,
but I can tell you it'll happen as it does
for all of us humans, And the first place I'm
going to go is to a trained IADC therapist who
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wouldn't want to have this experience. I invite you to
find out more. I've never done back to back episodes
on the same topic, but this is so important. What
brings most of us to shades of the afterlife As
we're suffering from the loss of a loved one, rest
assured grief help is available and your loved ones are
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with you and want nothing more than to see you happy,
healthy and well. Don't forget to come visit me at
We Don'tdie dot com. I've got all kinds of free
goodies if you sign up for my email list at
the bottom of the page. Also, come visit me on
one of our free Sunday gatherings with medium demonstration included.
Investigate the power of your soul join in in one
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of our medium classes. You don't ever have to be
a medium, but just know how it works and what
it feels like. You can also join me on Trance
and the Altered States to learn how to quiet that
busy mind and blend with the love from the unseen world.
That's our guides, our loved ones, and our soul. Until
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next time, my friend, I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so
much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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