Thinking Sideways: Gateway to Hell

According to local legend a Gateway to Hell is located in Stull, Kansas. Each year on Halloween Satan uses this gateway to visit the earth. What is he doing and why is the gateway located in a tiny town in the middle of Kansas?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Steve has
always been joined by Devin and Joe and this is
thinking Sideways in the podcast the podcast, the podcast There's
Imitators is the podcast the o G podcast O G Original.
Oh my gosh, I know what o G means. I'm

(00:41):
just shocked at curious. Uh well, yeah, we just shattered that. Okay,
Well before actually, before we get into night's show, I
just kind of want to give everybody a little bit
of an idea what's going on here today. This is
the beginning of something special. It's very special special as

(01:01):
in what we're going to be doing for this month.
This show will be coming out on the first week
of October and for the entire month of October, since
it's that month that's spooky, spooky month, We're going to
do stories that are kind of based around Halloween. Spooky
stories like my story is gonna be Cash for the

(01:23):
Friendly Ghost Factory. Fiction is not going to do that
story how to get some clanking chains? Hang on now
I do. I'm going to give everybody a little bit
of a teaser, and that is that at the end
of the month, we're going to be doing a show
that is what I would consider kind of a big

(01:44):
Halloween favorite. I would say, that's true, that's pretty scary.
We've gotten lots of requests for it, we have, and
I think that's all we're gonna tell people. We're just
gonna leave you on the hook. You're gonna have to
wait the next couple of weeks, four of them. Yeah. Actually,
if you can, guests, send us an email if you
want to take a guess. If you guess correctly, then
you'll get a free Thinking Sideways T shirt if we

(02:06):
ever start making him. And yeah, so I feel if
you want to head just I'll let me say it's
a very well known thing, okay, yeah, and that so
please take again it And as they say on with
the show, today's story takes place in Stall, Kansas, which
is about fifty miles from Kansas City or Missouri or

(02:27):
it's you said, it's about ten outside of Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah,
and everybody knows where that is, of course, yeah, of course. Uh.
And there's there's quite as it's been quite a legend
around that area. It's pretty well known and depending on
the sources, this story has been around for anywhere from
fifty to a hundred plus years. Yeah, though it's it

(02:48):
seems too well. I'll talk about that more later. Yeah,
just quickly, then, let me describe Stall, because I got
a Google streep you this afternoon look at everything, and yeah,
I know, I know. Um. And so it's title town
of I don't know, twenty or thirty people or something
like that. Not very many people lived there. And by
the way, when I was cruising through on Google street View,
not a soul was evident, not a single human being

(03:12):
was in sight. Well that was the story, the story
itself from this creepy little town. According to Joe, all
centers around the cemetery in that town, and in the
cemetery supposedly is a gateway to help. So here's the legend.
In eighteen sixty seven a church was built where currently

(03:36):
the Stall cemeteries located, and that church was eventually abandoned
and it fell into disrepair. Maybe part of the reason
is the fact that behind the church is a set
of stairs, which, according to the legend, opens up on
Halloween and from it emerges Satan himself. That's right, old scratch.

(04:01):
And why do you know why? Because because he want
breath of fresh air. Maybe well, yeah, probably to reclaim
the souls of the damned. Well, there's actually a lot
of supposed reasons why Satan comes out of this stairway
on Halloween at midnight on Halloween every year, and this

(04:23):
is kind of a laundry list. I'm sorry. Is it
just the one night or is there another night? Well,
depends on the accounts. There's Halloween, there's the spring or
summer equinox, supposedly, I mean, people account a lot of
different days and it's that midnight, but it's always at midnight. Interesting,

(04:45):
always at midden. I have such a problem with that time.
But okay, sure, why well, okay, so in pretty much
all of the like accepted Christian lore, the night, the
hour of the witching hour, almost the hour of beast
is actually three am. So it's always interesting when people
are like, oh, yeah, it's a midnight, because that's like,

(05:06):
for whatever reason, not nearly as like credit double credible.
There we go with the word I'm looking for. It's
not only as credible or like mysterious and believable to
me as when people are like, oh, it was like
almost three am. I think it's got something to do
with the you know, the clock hitting and the night spinning.
I don't know, there's all kinds of it's always it's

(05:27):
always midnight. Midnight has always had that sort of creepiness
about it, or so for some reason, just the very
word midnight. Yeah yeah, all right, Well, let's let's go
through this, this list of supposed reasons as to why
Satan himself comes out every night. The first is that
the graveyard which the church is located on, sits on

(05:49):
one of the seven points on this planet where the
devil has his gateways. There's okay, run with me here.
There's seven gateways to Hell on this planet. Supposedly one
of them is located somewhere in India, and according to
the legend, it just happens to be that Stall, Kansas

(06:10):
houses one of those very spots. So they just had
the bad luck to build their church right right the
top of a stairway to Hell. Basically, yeah, so yeah,
they had a really bad surveyor I don't know, I
would guess that there was some kind of like, oh, yeah,
there was a draw there because there was so much
evil and they felt the need to cleanse it. But
and and we're gonna we'll go into some of that stuff.

(06:31):
Let then let me just kind of run through this.
Think the Satan put some some warning signs up, don't
build here, you know, because that's the way he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's a real warner. Wants you to build there, all right.
The next is that that location was a favorite spots
for witches to practice black arts, and they do this

(06:53):
because of the fact that this place is a focal
point for black magic. Again, if I'm guessing this is
based on being a gateway, this focus one of the
seven points on the planet, and also because there's a
large pine tree on the grounds that was used to
hang at one time, which is I just feel like
this is a chicken egg scenario. Yeah, well, let me

(07:14):
let me keep going. I got a tree to talk about.
The tree has been in the graveyard evidently for decades
and up until several years ago when it was cut down.
But evidently there was a headstone at the base of
the tree, and the tree had grown up and around
this headstone and eventually split it apart, which is something

(07:34):
that people point to as evidence that it's an evil place.
That's just kind of what tree roots do. Yeah, I know,
let's see. The next one is that Satan is visiting
a dead witch who was at one time his bride
who was buried there. Yeah, as we saw on the

(07:55):
thrilling documentary of Corpse Bride. I didn't see that one.
Putting them before I get too far off, I'm pretty sure.
Did Do you ever, either of you ever watch that
TV shows Supernatural? That's it's not on anymore, right, I
think it might be done. I I watched some. Yeah,
but evidently evidently there was an episode where they actually

(08:18):
played off of this whole Gateway to Hell installed and
there was a season finale where they were shutting the
Gateway to Hell and it was installed, and they were
like inside them, they were shutting the Gateway to Hell.
They were closing it from it was closed on them.
They were closing it to stop the evening escaping. I
haven't seen the episode. I just happened to find something

(08:39):
that related to and then read it on IMDb. Padlock
on it. Yeah, I think concrete. Yeah, Okay. The next
reason that Satan would be coming out at that location,
he's visiting a son that he had with a witch,
and that son was so deformed that he only lived
for a few days end. According to the legend, the

(09:02):
ghost of this boy appears on Halloween as a werewolf
and scares or chases people off of the grounds or
prowls around the woods. How many? How many supernatural legends
can we cram into one theory? Just wait? Actually, I

(09:22):
which attack a few more on Well we're at it. Well,
let me let me before you start working on these,
let me just give you the rest of them, because well,
I gotta say the story about Satan's son who was
it was deformed and diet maybe you know, I feel
really sorry for Satan. I'm next up the legends. And
this is again another reason that it's so haunted and
so terrible. Is that in the eighteen fifties, the mayor

(09:48):
of the town of Stall was stabbed to death by
a stable hand in a stone barn that was on
the cemetery grounds. And I'm guessing the idea behind that
is that it's desecrations of hallowed ground. I've got to
guess that's why this would be a reason, but I'm
not sure. Like the Indian grave thing, right, you're you know,

(10:10):
this is a hallowed site and then you commit murder,
although I guess that would mean that no more than
seventeen years later, but probably like ten years later they
built a church on top of that building. So that's
a weird. I'm sorry, I'm just like attacking, but I
need I need a little clarification here. Okay, So the

(10:33):
town was stabbed and that's what attracted Satan to it,
or it was the gateway was already there, and I
think it attracted Satan. Again, it's so it's committing murder
on on hallowed ground. That wasn't that that it was
a cemetery at that time, which is technically theoretically according
you know, it was supposed to be. When when it's

(10:53):
a um some kind of religious burial area, you know,
it's whatever. I can't remember. It was Germanic people that
had settled the area and had made the graveyard, and
suddenly I can't remember whether they were Catholic or what.
But you know, if it's at that point it's a graveyard,
it's a hallowed piece of ground. But it was in

(11:16):
a barn on a graveyard. So how does that make
a difference. You know? I think what we need to
do is actually that there's a really cool graveyard not
far from where I live. It's a it's a very
old Pioneer Graveyard. Let's let's go murder somebody there and
see if it's stairway the hell appears. Okay, onto the
next one. Thank you, thank you for making Halloween just

(11:37):
got weirder. Thanks Joe. Uh here's our next one. In
early nineteen hundreds, and I don't have a year, but
this will be, you know, between nineteen hundred nineteen ten,
when everybody calls at the nineteen hundreds, I'm guessing that's
the time range we're looking at. A boy was accidentally
burned to death by his own father while he was

(11:58):
burning a field. So Dad, it's burned in the field,
doesn't realize the boys in the field, and its walk
out of the field or dies from smoke anilation, I
don't know for sure. And then a few years later
a man in the town was found hanging from a tree,
and I have to presume it's that same pine tree.

(12:21):
Um And both of these took place near a road
that was known as Devil's Road, which appeared on old
maps of Stall, but it doesn't exist anymore, so it's
it's not a modern road. You can't go on Google
maps and find it. But you know, some of the
hype maybe the fact that Stall is located. Also, this

(12:43):
is another thing to kind of go in that same
same vein, is that in the state, Stall is in
the Topeka zip code, and that's evidently has the prefix
of six six six the market of least this this
and this attracted Satan to the spot. I don't I'm

(13:04):
guessing we're still We're still. This is on the laundry
list of things that are built up around why Satan
might be coming there. I can't point it was attracted
to the six six six postal code, which didn't come
into exist as a delay in the nineteen sixties. I
don't know. Also, like, are we going to discuss the
fact that it turns out that six six six is

(13:26):
actually like a misinterpret misinterpretation. Actually we can actually talk
about that right now, I mean, what do we I
don't remember what is the translation? Correct, It's like six
six one or something. Six nine six is one possible
interpretation of it. It's not six six six whatever it is. Yes,
I know that that it's a misinterpretation. And the that

(13:48):
reminds me I saw this whole laundry list in this
in this humorous email that was rocketing around it was
like all these different numbers, like you know, six six
six six six six six six six social Security now
broke the beast and we're just the whole there, riffed
on the whole thing they had. Yeah, because we're not

(14:09):
done yet with the reasons why Satan might be coming
to this place. Uh. And and I should probably just
go ahead and say something right now, which is this
story kind of has the feel of a very urban legend. Yeah,
it's totally got the urban legend field, So don't I
think everybody who's listening is probably figured that out by now.

(14:32):
But I just want to say that, which is why
I want to get all of these supposed reasons out
there and out of the way. If you're already packing
your bags and then gassing up your car, is to
drive the Kansas to go look at this place. Hold
off a bit until we get to the end of
the Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you you'll find a few things. Um. Now,
this doesn't say exactly why he's going to that location,

(14:55):
but one of the things that it's believed he's doing
by I mean out at midnight on Halloween, is that
he's gathering up all of the souls in the area
and by the area. I don't know how big that is.
I don't know what that denotes. Is that the continental
US or is that just that area code? I don't know.

(15:16):
I like that. I like it that he operates by
ZIP code. Yeah, that's kind of cool. But but he's
gathering up all the souls in the area who died
of a violent death that year to then parade them
around the earth for one more night before taking them
back to Hell. Nice. Although just because somebody died of
violent death doesn't mean they gotta go to hell. Yeah,
because you never know, maybe you do go to Hell

(15:37):
for diying of violent death. You know, if you weren't
smart enough to out without what your adversary, maybe it
God send you to Hell for that. So sorry, you
guys were talking about something, but I was busy off
in google land. Um so I found the number of
the base, the actual number. It's um six one six. Well, okay, no,
I'm sorry. It's Google says it's six one six point
six six six six six, So it's not a whole number,

(16:01):
it's not calculated number. So I guess the world's hardest.
I guess it's six one seven because you're round up.
But I don't. I mean, I'm just saying so, just
so f y I every listener, that is the number
of the piece, six six point six six six six six.

(16:25):
I don't know. I don't know where the number comes
from and why a fraction is attached to it, but
I don't know. Maybe maybe look it up later. Let's
let's keep and sorry, that's all right, I like that, Okay, Well,
and this is just more to add to the legend.
Less of a reason why Satan would come around, but

(16:48):
thanks to his presence, evidently strange things happen in the graveyard,
and these are a lot of room. This is some
reports on all hallow z Halloween. People keep saying that
they are reporting strange moaning noises that the old church
that's on the property on the graveyard, that church that

(17:10):
we that was built, uh, still had a crucifix on
the wall, and evidently on Halloween the crucifix would spin
a hundred eighty degrees so that it was upside down,
which kind of sounds like pranksters to me. And I
also don't know that it would still be attached to
the wall, but that's what people say is happening. Think
somebody would have stolen a long time ago, you would, uh.

(17:32):
And and actually you know that there's a lot of
focus on the church. This this, the church this on
this site has spawned and helped foster a lot of
the stories in the legends. The church itself in the
early nine hundreds caught fire for reasons unknown. I could
never find out what caused the fire. It was never

(17:54):
recorded anywhere that I could track down. Probably caused by
something flammable. But after it caught fire, stop being used.
And some people are saying that the religious community actually
destroyed the church themselves in an effort to seal the
gateway to Hell. So yeah, and because it wasn't maintained

(18:18):
for so long, the roof of the church actually blew
off many years ago, likely in a big windstorm, just
ripped off. So it's a building with no roof. That
sounds so much like an episode of True Detective. I
can't even tell I remember that church. But being open
to the sky, uh, it seems to be one thing

(18:40):
that that helps some of the stories. Um. It seems
to help the idea that witches and black magic are
taking place because they can get in on their flying broomsticks.
Now yeah, and they you know, they're not going to
be seen by anybody when they're doing their their practices.
According to the stories, when it rained in the area,

(19:02):
water would not fall on the inside of the church,
but instead would run off as if the roof was
still there. Well, obviously the rain didn't get the news.
Evidently there are reports that strong winds were actually happening
inside of the church. So this is this is kind
of that Poultergeist area where there's just strange cold spots

(19:25):
and winds out of nowhere. And there was one guy
who said that the wind was so strong it knocked
him over and quote held him down and wouldn't let
him up for a while. So they were probably hot
winds and they smelled the sulfur and all that stuff.
Never heard that part. Nobody ever commented on the temperature,
which was a little funny to me for that same reason,

(19:48):
I know. But we still got some more things that
are about the church. Man. Oh yeah, there's a lot here. Uh,
there's there's glass bottles, so I don't know if you
guys had come across, but they yeah, some people say,
and they are adamant about this, that if you throw
through a glass bottle at the interior wall of the

(20:09):
church on Halloween, it wouldn't break. Or if you held
two glass bottles in the shape of the cross and
hit him against the wall, they wouldn't break, which is
a little odd that that also then spawns people to
say that, well, if you did throw a bottle at

(20:30):
the wall and it did break, then you were going
to hell. It's so convenient. It's so convenient. I just like,
for a second, like these kinds of stories are just
like the worst, right, because you're like, well, it didn't
break for me, but if it breaks for you, you're
going to hell, which is like it a house for
the fact that like anybody who has like a fine
grasp of physics or like feels like they want to

(20:52):
do it, they are going to go and it's gonna break,
and they're gonna be like, oh, well, maybe I'm going
to hell. Or I have a really thick wine bottle
and you have a very thin walled vodka bottle. There's
always that even beer bottles don't breaks as easily as
you would think. I remember many years ago, I was
out with a friend and we were kind of bored,

(21:12):
and uh so we decided to make a Molotov cocktail.
So he poured some gasoline into a Raineer pounder, which
is a sixty in beer ball, which is actually, uh
not as heavily built as like say a long neck
bottle like you find a bud in or something like that.
Those are those have thicker walls than the old Rainier pounders.
And so we we stuffed a rag and you know,

(21:34):
and then it was about half filled with gasoling and
stuff to raging. And I'm so afraid it was. And
so we were out and we go out to the
middle of nowhere and we um and we light the
rag on fire, and then then we take the bottle
and fling it like fling it hard down the road
about twenty ft, you know, that's what. It hits the
pavement good and hard, and it didn't break. And yeah,

(21:59):
so beer bottles don't break is easily a sea things.
But I have a theory about the origin of this,
particularly this particular thing. Okay, let's hear this. Yeah, I'm curious,
and just I'm curious. I think that somebody decided to
insert this in the legend at some point. This is
the glass bottle, the glass bottle that that won't break.
No matter, how are you start against the wall. I
think whoever was doing it was being was some guy

(22:19):
and probably as Lateeen's earliest one, who was being a
complete flaming and thought, I know, I'm gonna trick all
these people that go out there and the smashing bottles
and leaving broken glass everywhere. So and so I think
that's what I think it was. Could be all right? Well,
and and and we've we're not done here with the

(22:40):
legend and the stories around the legend. Uh, there are
threads out there that say the name of the town
was actually Skull and not Stall. So the town is
s t U l L. And people are saying that
that T was actually a K at one point, so
it was the town of Skull, but the residents changed

(23:04):
the name just Stall as a way to try to
repent from the bad deeds that had happened there and
throw people off from the trail of everything wrong that
was done. If you're going to change your town name
from Skull, I mean, just like change it a little more,
maybe maybe like Scroll or like Keaven. How about I mean,

(23:29):
like really you know the fact that you like change
one letter in your thing, like that's probably we're not
going to help so much. Maybe just be like no, no, no,
we're called normal now. Well no, they just were as
creative in the olden days. Apparently they didn't have the internets.
They could have come up with something else. This is

(23:51):
pretty I never I never knew that Kansas was such
a hot bit of black magic and witchery. Evidently it is. Okay, well,
let's uh, let's let's actually get back to the Gateway
of Hell, because we've been talking about Satan appearing and
the reasons that he is. But like I said, the
gateway is supposedly located at the church, and it's supposedly

(24:12):
located on the side of the church. But it's not
easy to find. This is because it isn't used by
people much, you know, excluding Satan, because he's not a
person but people, which people either okay, um, And and
so it's been overgrown with grass and scrub and all
of that. But people say that if you do manage

(24:35):
to find the stairs and you start to walk down
him and again this is the story, you will lose
control of your body and supposedly it would feel as
if another force was compelling you forward. Okay, And then
then then the story diverges into two veins. Version one

(24:56):
says that if you do indeed take the stairs, you'll
descend to Hell, but you'll never be able to come back.
I don't know how anyone would know that, but okay, well,
you know Dave went down the stairs and he never
came back, so probably don't walk down the stairs. Whatever.
The second version is that if you take the stairs

(25:18):
and you descend to Hell, it's gonna take you two
weeks to make it back out, but you won't realize
that that much time has past, because yes, this place
also causes lost time. Like all this makes me think
about is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where she
turned me into a new Well, you don't look like,
well I got better. I went in Hell. They took me. Well,

(25:43):
you're not in Hell anymore. I got better. I don't know.
I actually want to go check this out because I
think it would be I think it would be actually
very cool if I could go visit Hell, se check
it out, and then come back and then, you know,
if you needed to repair awesome actually existed at Yeah, definitely.

(26:04):
All right, So I guess we're gonna take a road
trip because I'm okay with Joe descending into hell and
maybe never coming back, but maybe coming back in two weeks.
You're just going to hang out for two weeks for
we could do it. Oh yeah, well, thankfully a pre recording.
We'll be all right for a little while. Ye're all right.
So here's here's one thing to note. The church just

(26:25):
not standing anymore. Evidently in two thousand and two, though,
who did this is in a little bit of conflict.
The church was torn down, and there's versions that say
and these versions that you read about is that the

(26:46):
property owners say they didn't authorize it and don't know
who did it. And then there's other versions where it
said that the property owners did authorize it and they
hired somebody with a piece big chunk of machine or
you know, a cat or something down to come over
and just knock it down. And it collapsed. It just

(27:08):
fell right down as soon as they got to it.
And actually, another thing that I heard is that one
of them, because there's there's houses right there, there's people
that live very close. Apparently one of those had noticed
about a week before this, when it was torn down,
one of them had noticed that one of the walls
had collapsed in a storm or something. And that's that's
a very good point. The thing was a giant hazard. Yeah,

(27:28):
I mean it hadn't had a roof for years. This
folks to to describe this to you. It was stone walls.
It wasn't brick. It was stacked stone walls, which when
they don't have a structure on top to stabilize them,
tend to bow and want to fall over. Well, especially
if if one wall or corner collapses, you really lose

(27:48):
a lot of support and stability there. And so I
think the owner probably just had it knocked down for
safety reasons and liability reasons. Yeah, it's and I I
leaned that same way because some of the articles I've
read say that there's that they're quoting the owner of
the property. But you know, it's the Internet, and some
of these stories you can't really track to tell if

(28:08):
that's really their source or not. Yeah. You know. Actually
another theory that I heard, actually I made it up
just now. The owner wanted to build a retaining wall.
So you're obsessed with retaining walls lately. That's because you
want one. Okay, Well, here we're gonna go to a
anecdotal bit of legendary. Is that I just make that

(28:29):
word legendary? Is that a real word? Yeah, that legendary,
but legendary. I think the word you want to use
instead of anecdotal is apocryphal. There that sbscribes as to
a t okay. According to this, the Pope visited the
United States back in the nineties. Well he did. I mean,
let's be fair that he did. Uh, and he told
his pilot to go around the entire state of Kansas

(28:53):
because he didn't want to fly over un sacred ground. Well,
let's be fair. Un sacred ground just mean there's un
sacred air space to palm. What wait a minute, what
the aboat? It's it's like a giant column all the
way to space of unholy ground, all the way through

(29:15):
the universe. Well, well, while all that's circulating around, all
these stories are circulating around, all of these things that
we've just covered in however long, it just turned throne um.
It's no wonder that every year yards of people calm
to the graveyard to try and see Satan make his

(29:37):
grand appear. And you know, every single one of those peoples,
after he crains his beer, has to run over the
church and try to smash it against the well. Because
there's so many people coming to the graveyard every year.
The graveyard is now circled with cyclone fencing and if
you look at this on Google, to go to Google
and you go to stree Few, you see nothing but

(29:59):
chainling fencing around the entire thing and passing and no
trespassing signs. And every year on Halloween the cops are
there and they are escorting people away from the area
and they will threaten them with fines and jail time
for trespassing private property. Apparently the locals are actually not

(30:21):
real about this. Oh no, they hate this. Let me
just be very very obvious. They hate this story because
they have relatives who are buried in that graveyard. And
there's a lot of vandalism that comes from a bunch
of drunken Yahoo's out on Halloween, smashing bottles, knocking over headstones.

(30:47):
I'm sure it's not just that. I mean, like, we've
just spent what the last like half an hour recounting
all of these different things that have been tied in.
And you know, if your family lives in this place
for long enough, you know maybe it was you're like
great great grandfather who accidentally killed that boy in a
fire and like and brought the whole thing. Well, no,
but like that's a tragic story of history and being

(31:09):
exploited to be a part of Satan's grand plan. Like
that's track. There's people now, you know, who have died
in the last year who it's not as if this
is a history. This is an active graveyard, people who've
died within the last probably i'd say, six months. And
it's got some very old graves in there, it does,
but it's got some very new graves. And there are

(31:31):
stories of people going there days after Halloween and finding
the headstone of their loved one knocked over and broken
because people were doing whatever they were doing and knocking
stuff over. How do you know it wasn't Satan that
knocked with that headstone. I was going to say, it
just shows them for like showing off their wealth of

(31:51):
getting like a headstone that's above ground. We're both wore
old people, Joe, Yeah, both are. I have to say that.
And and this is to me kind of unfathomable, but
like you know, I go for walks and runs to
the nearby Pioneer Cemetery near my house sometimes and there's
vandalism there too, and it's it's kind of amazing that

(32:12):
people would vandalize headstone, but people do it. Know, people
vandalize everything, and I don't understand it. I understand graffiti
as an art form in certain applications, but tagging I
don't agree with because that's usually just a defacement of
property and usually it's there's nothing artistic about it. Okay, well,

(32:35):
that tag might be artistic in its own sense, but
when you reproduce in a hundred times on every signpost
and building, then it just becomes junk. So it's it's
just visual junk. But and by the way, when that
when that tagger is caught, I think he needs to
get a special tag tattooed on his forehead. Well, let's
let's move not to theories but problems problem So all

(32:59):
of those legendary things that we just talked about, there
is a ton of problems with them, and I just
want to suss out a couple of them right off
the bat. The town of Stall was originally named Deer Creek,
and that community in eight got its own post office.
At that time. It was then called Stall after the

(33:22):
for the name of the first postmaster. They had Sylvester's Stall.
So the town being named Skull that's out that's out
right off the batall used to be Selvester's Skull and
then he changed his name. Listen, skeletor stop it? Okay,
do you remember the part that there was the one

(33:43):
part of the legend of the mayor being stabbed, right, Well,
it turns out the town hasn't officially had a mayor
ever ever. H Well, I mean it's it's kind of
too small to really have a mayor, don't you think
it is? Um And by the way, I assume the
local police are like the county sheriff. I believe it's
the County Mounties. There's there's no actual stole police forces

(34:07):
from what I could see. So yeah, it's obviously there's
no one there that's actually the mayor. That's a problem
unless you know they're saying, hey, we could call you
the mayor. Don't call me the mayor. I know what
happened to the last mayor. I'm not taking that for
spinal tap, all right. So I haven't been able to
find any concrete evidence that the stairs and their cover exists. Now,

(34:33):
there are a lot of stories about people searching for
him and quote unquote finding them, but nothing is verifiable.
But here's something I want to point out is that
there may have actually been a set of stairs there
that would have led to a basement. Because if this
church was built in the eighteen sixties, think about it,

(34:55):
It's Kansas. You need to store food down well, but
also with tornado, So if everybody's at church and a
tornado comes along, you hustle them into the basement and
you hide there. Yeah. So there's a very valid reason
why there might have been a set of stairs as

(35:18):
the church, but there's there's nothing to say that it
wasn't there. But nobody ever finds them. So that's one
thing that I want to point out about the stairs themselves.
I also guess you could say, like some crypts have
like a couple of stairs down, and you know, if
if like the crypt or like the building structure above

(35:38):
it had for whatever reason been demolished, there would be
like some random like a couple of stairs down. I
could see how that could have like ballooned out into
something like this. You know. There it's so hard to
tell in a cemetery with a church in Kansas where yeah, yeah, no,
I mean there could have been, Um, what is it?
It's it's when what do they call the big buildings
that it's not a cpped, but what is the building

(36:01):
that's around mausoleums? I mean mausoleums have been put on
the ground. It could have been that. That's what it was.
That's why there was the Last problem that I have
with this whole story is the pope. It's always the Pope.
Remember that whole story about him diverting his plane. I'm
sure didn't actually happen. There's nothing that shows any record

(36:24):
of his plane ever diverting off of its flight plan. Yeah.
Well supposedly that that story, if I remember right, appeared
like in Time magazine somewhere around. But we've never been
able to weird. Yeah, I suppose that's what people are claiming.
But I like it's also pulp Benedict not the most
superstitious of the popes. Pulp Benict you mean John Paul. No,

(36:45):
wasn't it Pulpe Benedict at that point superstitious of the anyway?
I mean, the pope is not going to be afraid
of Satan. And you know, um, this story is like
so many Internet stories, they start out as a as
a clean ship. Let's just come out of the shipyard,
and they sail off through the waters of the Internet

(37:05):
and they become encrusted with many many barnacles Internet. Yeah. Yeah,
and that's what happens that many of these stories Internet barnacles.
Internet barnacles for the day. Yeah. So yeah, the pup's
story is you get another barnacle on this story it is. Yeah.
Well let's uh, let's get into the theories finally. Yeah, okay,

(37:29):
well theory number one. It could be real, well, it
could be don't give me that look, you know, I mean,
Satan might actually exist. I don't know how when it
comes down to Earth, and yeah, let let me go
through this is that you know, there there are a
lot of stories around about gateways to Hell and their locations. Now,

(37:50):
strangely enough, none of them, the major ones that you
find out there that are gateways to Hell, none of
them are in Kansas. But uh, that's that's okay. There
are lots of things though, that are referencing gateways to
Hell in major populated areas. Isn't there supposedly one like

(38:12):
right close here, like that in Clackamus or something? Yet
I don't I didn't see that one, But there's so
many geographs central major cities have them associated with them,
and then major historic cities always have them associated with them.
So there's these stories all over of the gateways to Hell. Yeah.

(38:33):
I mean, if if you're saying then you're gonna have
a gateway to Hell, I mean, you want to put
it in a major city because you're a lot closer
to the shops and services and stuff like that. You
don't want to have in the middle of nowhere. Maybe,
or maybe it's in the major areas because of the
atrocities that happened there. I don't know, who knows. Yeah,
but let's let's put that part aside. That fact aside

(38:56):
is that if we think about this from a theological standpoint,
I don't know it's theological the right word to use,
I'm not sure, but philosophical that's probably the better word. Philosophical.
It's possible if Satan's real and I'm not saying Satan

(39:16):
is or is not real, But then what criteria would
he or shear it? Because again I don't I don't
know um used to determine where to come out into
the world at I mean, it's this place is off
the beaten path. I completely understand that. But you know,

(39:39):
I mean, I've read all this stuff about these strange
occult sites that are where Satan may come from. And
if you think about it, Okay, let's just say that
there is some random point where all of this occult
stuff is happening. Think about it. This is the best
analogy I can come up with. Think about it from

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the standpoint of almost like radiation. So there's all this
occult stuff going on, and it builds up like radiation
at that location, so then it becomes a hot zone.
So then that could theoretically be a place that would
pop up on Satan's radar to be a good place

(40:21):
to come because there's all of the it's just it's
just embroiled with it, and it's just such a hotbed
that that might be a spot that's an easy access point.
So he he senses Satan's senses that there's a lot
of like bone heads who would be easy, easy pickings
and good recruits, and so he senses that, so he

(40:42):
just makes himself a little gate way to Hell. And no, no,
what I mean is let's say that let's say and
and this I'm making this up just to try to
help foster this explanation. Let's say that there is Satanic
worship and so there are there's offerings, you know, there's sacrifices,

(41:03):
there's atrocities committed at this area, and so it's it's
seeped and all of this really bad stuff that would
become something that would come up on a Satanic radar,
for for another way to look at it. So it's
a pig. It's a pig. But I guess like if
we're going to make that argument, then like there are

(41:24):
literally millions better places in this world. Then still yeah,
and also there's no evidence whatsoever that there were there
was ever any sort of Satanic dark arts, witchcraft, witchcraft
or anything else practicing stall well. But but okay, but
I want to go back to what Devin said briefly,

(41:46):
which is the stories always say that there are X
number of gateways to hell, But do we know that's true?
Why couldn't there just be gateways plural? And there's no
number two? Why can't why can't the whole world be
a gateway? I think the entire world is kind of
a gateway to help. I mean, like that's it's just

(42:06):
like that when you you kind of go down that
rabbit hole is a term that we use on this
ship a lot, going down that rabbit hole and like
to say, like, well, like this is one of the
like smallest places in America, right, it's really small, very
and I think that like probably the percentage of bad
things that have actually happened in this town to the
population versus like the number of years it has existed

(42:29):
fairly low. So if we're saying that like this level
of percent of corruption over the X number of years
equal corruption Satan's gate, then like, like seriously, just like
then there's a gate everywhere and like we're just screwed.

(42:51):
So for me, it's like this, it's you know, I
talked about Acam's razors sometimes, but it is right. It's
like either the entire or world is a gateway to Hell, which,
like Joe is going to argue, and that's fair. But
so either we're gonna say the entire everywhere that human
beings exist is a gateway to Hell, or we're going
to say that is not a valid theory. Yeah, you know,

(43:15):
well I'm willing to run with that. And here's that.
Here's the deal is Satan. Satan started out life as
what an angel he did, Yes, and uh and so
be favorite angel. Yeah, exactly. And you never hear about
angels needing like an escalator down from Heaven to get
to the Earth, right, I mean, Satan, if he does exist,

(43:36):
I don't think he needs a stairway or portal or
anything else to visit the surface of the planet. I
think you can get here, you know, whenever, wherever he chooses.
I don't my my religious studies are very weak, but
I do remember having seen some things that I've read
that when Satan was cast out and then sent to

(43:59):
what would be his kingdom, which was Hell, he couldn't
just come to Earth. He had emissaries that could come there.
So then that would foster that idea of it had
to be something special to allow him his visa for
you know, a term that we use for access to

(44:20):
get into the area for a limited duration of time.
I don't want I don't want to go too far
down this. I don't want to beat this too much
because this, again, this is so open to interpretation. There's
so many ways that it can be viewed. But that
is just you know, if if that's just this one
theory that I've seen let's let's move to the next one.

(44:43):
Let's which again is on the vein of its real
But this vein says that the townspeople know it and
they're covering it. Okay, And I just like I'm going
to go ahead and like say, right now, if this
theory is valid, that that means that the townspeople are
all demons, Satanists worshipers watch Supernatural. No I don't, but

(45:06):
I mean it's just like that that's just follows, right,
is that like, if the townspeople are covering up Satan's
literal stairway out of Hell, they are horrible human beings.
I mean, I think we need to go there and
and check it out. See if they have red glowing eyes,
and if they talk like this, you know, that's that

(45:28):
would be kind of a clue or they live in
fear of it. And and let me let me run
through some of the stuff that's been put out based
on this, this kind of this this bend it's and
I think we've already covered why they hate this story
for all the thrill seekers, because as we said, there's

(45:49):
the vandalism and and the damage, and no wonder they're
peeved about everybody coming there. But in the reports that
come out, in the quotes from townspeople, um, they do
some things that don't always help their case. You know,
they say they don't know where the story comes from.

(46:11):
They say it's made up, and it's not completely it's
not believable, which again makes sense. But here's the thing
that they've done that can raise some suspicions. This happened
in on Halloween. Reporters from a local newspaper and there

(46:32):
was an also reporters and a crew from a television
station went to the graveyard and they joined a bunch
of onlookers who were hanging out waiting the church. No,
they were outside of the grounds. It couldn't get into
the grounds because it's gated off now, and the sheriff

(46:52):
deputies were there, as evidently they are every year. But
they didn't ask anybody to leave the premises or the
area outside of the cemetery until eleven thirty at night.
And they, according to the story, they did this because
a representative of the cemetery owners showed up and ordered
that everyone was to leave. Now, if you want to

(47:16):
put the whole thing to bed, and you want to say, listen,
this is made up, stop coming here and stop doing this.
Then let the media in. Just just let the news
guys in and say, hey, guys will escort you with
the police. You can hang out at this spot, stay
here till twelve thirty and lo and behold, nothing happened. Nothing. Instead,

(47:42):
they shoot a way as if they were sweeping it
under the rug and hiding it all. Yeah, I mean,
that would be a good strategy to put it all
to bed. It's just to just to have the cruise there.
Though that you know, some true believers would probably say
something on the order of like, well, gee, you know,
Satan didn't show up because he's camera shy and there's
all these I mean, but at the same time, this

(48:02):
doesn't mean there's any sort of conspiracy of what because
there's hundreds of people there probably making a good old racket.
The owner, you know, you don't know where the owner list,
but he probably lives, like you know, right next door,
right across the street, and he wanted to go to
bed and so he just basically sent somebody over there.
Or there's a third theory, which is that the representative

(48:23):
of the owner it wasn't the owner of itself, was
actually Satan No, I mean I think that like to
build on Joe's are more rational theories. Yeah, I mean,
it's not like you, as a property owner, walk up
to the police and say, I want everyone but the
media to go home. I want to put this to bed.

(48:44):
Let's let the media in. You escort them, and they'll
prove that there's nothing going on here. No, you say,
there's a bunch of people here, they're going to ruin
my property, send them home, and then they go home.
You know, you know, you don't say, like, oh, there's
one film crew there that might be reputable. That's one
person with a video camera out of like who knows,
it could have been thousands of people with videos. But

(49:06):
you've seen we've all been to places where you see
the TV news van and it's a it's emblazoned on
the side with the name of the station, and it's
got the little radio dish, And yeah, it was a
TV crew. They had their gear, They showed up with
cameras in the whole nine yards. It was reporters who
were tagging along with him. But it's the newspaper reporters.

(49:27):
But they've I've got to presume that if the guy
showed up as a TV reporter. He's got the news
van and he's got all the news crowd with him
because he's gonna try and report it and send it
over to the station to make the splash of look
what's going on installed tonight. So that to me, it's like,
well it stands out like a sore thumb. So from

(49:48):
a bunch of Yahoo's in their pickup trucks drinking beer
to a bunch of guys with cameras and somebody standing
there with a microphone in front of the spotlight talking
that person. Is is it like on YouTube or anything?
I mean, so like it's hard to know. Like that,
it was kind of that trend of like undercover reporting,

(50:10):
Like was it undercover reporting like or or they trying
to emblazon? Were they like trying to sneak in? Was it? What?
Did I mean? It's just it's for me, it's hard
to tell. And you know, I agree with you, there's
no reason to send them away. But also like truly,
if you know somebody who owns the property lives like

(50:31):
right there and they're like I'm trying to go to sleep,
they say, hey, cops on the phone, tell everybody go home.
They don't know who's there. They just say it's loud
out there. See. I got the impression the way I
read it that the person showed up, that representative of
the people showed up, and then there's a problem with
the representative may not have cared who was there. Secretary.

(50:54):
She's like, it's midnight crap, Like I got called out
of bed by these rich people to go tell everybody
go home. I'm gonna tell her to go home. It's
you're that's a very good point. But let's but but
remember something else too, is that and that they can
boot them off the property because it's private property. But
right next to it is a road, which is public property.

(51:15):
And so if people really wanted to stay there and
watch what the goings on and see if Satan appears,
you can still do it. Yeah, well, did you you
went on Google Did you go to the cemetery on
Google Maps and look at the street view this The
building itself is offset from the road. It's not like
it's right. Yeah, now that's fallen down. It's kind of

(51:37):
out of sight. Yeah, you can. You can kind of
see it from some of the satellite photos. It's footprint,
but it's not right there, it's a ways away. So
I mean, let's just I'm just gonna make up number.
Let's say it was eighty yards away. That's a that's
a fair bit of way to be able to see
anything at night with a video game. Yeah, but if
Satan is like appearing on Earth, he's probably like, there's
a light show and he probably it's a disco tech.

(51:59):
Now well no, I'm just saying like there's some fire
and brimstone happening. Well so, but the thing about it
is is Satan is there depending on why he's there.
If he's there to visit his deformed child that's buried there,
then he's gonna walk him on the tombstone. So you
take a take a little night vision gear, you know
when they with a little magnifying capability, and you know, Satan,
if he's there, was just sending Joe on location. Yeah

(52:21):
we really are. Alright, Well let's let's let's keep going here. Okay,
all right, So the next theory is you're not gonna
believe this, it's a total hoax. Yeah, Well, the origin
of this story and tell us Joe's you know, gone
a little ahead of us, which is the big red
flag is when the story showed up back in the

(52:44):
nineteen fifties. Supposedly there was a professor at the University
of Kansas who made the story up about the Gateway
to Hell being located installed. He made this urban legend
ofb Now, and evidently he told it to his students
continually until it caught fire. But I don't know why

(53:06):
someone would intentionally make a story like that up unless
he really had it in for someone in that town,
or just the town itself, like you must have hated
some he saw the town named Stall and thought, Hey,
that's kind of like Skull. I'm going to make up
a creepy ghost story about it. Alternately, I mean, he

(53:29):
would just picked a small place that he didn't think
any of his students would be from, which, well, the
University of Kansas, that's not I mean, I can't imagine
it's too far away. I didn't. I actually don't know
how far away it is from Stall now that I
think about it, or that it would be a place
that enough people kind of knew about that it was real,
a real place, but not like a lot of people

(53:52):
knew people from there. I mean, I don't know. Actually,
it would be interesting. I mean, if this happened in
the would be interesting look at the population tables and
see what the tiniest town in Kansas is, and it
might very well be stolen. And and you know, going
going with her theory that he just picked the very

(54:13):
smallest town in Kansas he could find as the center
and every Halloween just story because she was she she
wanted to like because distically speaking, it's less likely he's
going to have a student from this town because it's
the tiniest town in Kansas and it's a what like
maybe it's a farm community, so like they don't send
a whole lot of people to college, you know, I mean,

(54:33):
I think it's that's a fair thing to say. Well,
regardless regardless of what could have been the reason that
it happened from this professor. The story is supposedly was
repeated every year to his students, and nothing really happened
until either nineteen seventy two or nineteen seventy four, I'm

(54:58):
not sure which year. I tried to to get into
the archives to figure it out, but I couldn't get
the old archives from the university to come up. But
the university newspaper reported this story, and I kept digging
and trying to and evidently they're back there. Back issues

(55:18):
are just not there. I couldn't get. Maybe if I
had pretended to have a student and try to log in,
I might have found a way, but I couldn't get.
But evidently the university newspaper reported it, and from that
point it started gaining traction, and the first report of
people showing up in mass is v eight win. Supposedly,

(55:41):
it's reported that a hundred and fifty people we got
I guess they were all college students showed up to
see what would happen from there. It's grown to what
we have now of five people every Halloween showing up
and and trying to get in there, and now we
have the fence and police patrols and all of that.

(56:02):
I mean, should we talk about doing this? Sometimes? I'm like,
every once in a while, like I don't know, like
we talked about well maybe like there's always an like
outlying detail in a story that one of us will
bring up and we're like, man, that sounds like something
somebody was just like it would be funny if we
could see if that could be pretty in article. Yeah,
and yeah, we have talked about it'd be fun to

(56:24):
set up an alternative, an alternate website and and start
posting this stuff and just tacking stuff on people. Do
not outrageous to think that, like a philosophy or psychology professor,
you know, would use this for meeching moment or as
an experiment or whatever. You know. I think that makes
a lot of time. Yeah, it could It could be.

(56:46):
It could be he wanted to start an urban legend
and that and so it would be a great you know,
and maybe he did it for that reason. Maybe he
started this little urban legend and then he would say
to the student class of a couple of years down
the line or something like that, he says, Okay, okay,
have you guys heard this story about the Gateway to

(57:06):
Hell and all that? How many of you? How many
of you heard this? Raise your hands, you know, and
all this stuff. Okay, you tell me about this story.
What have you heard? And they tell me that, and
so what do you think? You know? Well, let me
tell you something. I made it all up me myself, dude,
you know, as just as a sort of psychological experiment.
But I would I would think that if that were

(57:27):
the case, if that exact scenario were the case, then
there would be recounts of people saying, oh, yeah, I
was in that guy's class and he admitted to making
it up. But there's nothing that I could find. And again,
this is this is one of those stories, and I
fully admit this everybody, one of those stories that is really, really,

(57:51):
really hard to find a lot of concrete information on.
But I did not see anything that said that he
admitted to making up. As it is, I couldn't even
find the name of the professor who supposedly made it up.
So to me, the professor making it up, it's just

(58:11):
as likely as the other theories, because I don't have
any brain of fact to this group right here, is
that you have just said, like to our entire listenership,
a professor making a story up to mess with the
students is just as likely as Satan being real and

(58:32):
coming they're They're both equally reasonable based on what I
have to go on. Yeah, I think I know the
name of the professor. His name was Professor Satan. I
thought he was one of the magazine ruses. Yeah, we
had this, I remember that. I'm back in the fifties.
We had this professor who told a story we had

(58:54):
this really strange way of talking, was like more non standing,
but only the goth kids passed the class. I like that,
you're not going to mention the faces that you'll make it.
Oh no, I don't look at him when he makes
those faces. Actually put my papers in front of me.

(59:17):
Really really are you know? I mean as as as
kind of a kind of a final thought on this
story and before I opened it up to the pair
of you, my, my, my final thoughts are I personally,
I don't hold a lot of stock in the occult

(59:37):
and those kind of stories. I mean, I admit fully
there are things that I have heard and seen that
I can't account for in any logical manner. In other words,
I can't I don't have an explanation for whether I've
seen it myself, or I've heard about or seen it

(59:57):
on recordings, whatever the case. Maybe, But you know, that
doesn't say that it is or isn't true. So I don't.
I don't know that this story is real, but I
can't say that some part of it isn't real. And
that's I think that's why I wanted to to kind

(01:00:18):
of have this as our kickoff for Halloween, because there's
a lot of crap here, but there's also a lot
of potentials that could have happened. So that's the really
difficult part. And I know that something we try to
tackle is is peeling those layers apart to find the
real thing from from the not so real things. That's real.

(01:00:40):
That was a great experience, Steve. But you know that
that that's where I stand in this. So I I
don't know that I buy this, but you know this
is this is completely outside of the things that I
would normally jump into. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on,
you know, unstable footing. Yeah, well I am I think
that number one. As I talked about this a little earlier.

(01:01:03):
But Hell is like heaven. It's not a place that
you reach physically, you know, it's a place. It's a
place where you it's like in another dimension on and
so so it's a level of transcendences. Yeah, And so
I mean there is there is a gateway to Hell,
which is the entire planet, which is like you know,
I mean, you can be you can you can do

(01:01:24):
things that will well. The entire planet conversely, is a
gateway to Heaven exactly. But you can do things anywhere
on the planet that will earn you entrance to Hell,
and uh, you know, and that's that's your gateway right there.
But when you go to Hell, you don't. Your your
soul goes there, not your body, So you don't need
a stairway or a gateway or anything else to get

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to Hell. I think the gateway is a physical manifestation
for us to be able to recognize it. Yeah, but
I don't. I don't think there's any such thing. Yeah,
it was. It's a fun story. You there's there's all
kinds of people out there saying stories about oh, you know,
you get down there, that's things pulling you down and
you you go, can't there. You hear moans and horrible
noises and scary stuff, and your flashlights will stop working.

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You always got you gotta break like seventeen times the
amount of batteries you need to Yeah, that's in the accounts, yeah, exactly.
Which it doesn't really make any sense because if you're
if your flashlight's gonna crap out because Satan has messed
with your the batteries and your flashlight, well guess what
your backup batteries have been messed with equally, so bringing

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backup batteries isn't going to do you any good? Can
I can? I can? I go down the poulter geist
rabbit hole here briefly with you on that, and I
can't believe I'm about to do this. I can't either. Yeah,
I know this is really weird because I'm the total
skeptic on this stuff. But the things that I've seen
is that let's let's equate any kind of presence a

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metaphysical presence, whether it be satan or a polter geist
or a ghost or whatever. We they you know, people
equate them to an electrical disturbance. Can So if I
have two batteries making connection inside of a flashlight, that
is making a circuit, which is an electrical circuit. So

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when this electrical disturbance comes through, it screws up that
connection and it drains that connection. But those batteries themselves,
the ones that you haven't put in your flashlight, that
are just sitting in your bag, they're an unconnected circuit,
so therefore they cannot be drained by that field. So
they're still gonna work, right, And I feel like I

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just need to point out the fact that, like you
went there and I was like, yeah, but it's more
fun to mess with people if they like put their
batteries in and then you like short it out again. Yeah. Yeah,
you know, like it's way more fun if they have
to do that seventeen times than like shorting everything out
at one. You physics meet fun, I guess, yeah, but yeah,

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it depends. I mean, I suppose if if this uh,
this presence can can suck energy auto based basically from
a completed circuit. It wants electrical energy for whatever reason,
it wants manifestation or it generates it, and it's sort
of like e MP, it overloads it, which would pop
the bulb. That would kill that would that would that
would fry the bulb in the flashlight. Yeah, I would

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fry the Yeah, you can't really fry a flashlight because
it's so simple. Yeah, but it's like yeah, so it's
hardly yeah, drain it or whatever. Yeah, who the hell knows.
I think it's possibly somebody made that up. I don't know.
I mean, I'm kind of with you, like I hate
to admit the fact that, like it's just as possible

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that a college professor made this up as it is
that SATAN really is like using a physical stairway to
literally walk upstairs in a physical being clop clop clop
or whatever, you know, regardless of what I believe about
like heaven or Hell and what those things might be.
You know, I think it's fairly widely accepted that it's
not a place that you physically go in your physical

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whole body. You know, it's a place that your spirit goes. Therefore,
the people or things that rule those spaces would also
not be like physical beings that like have physical bodies
that they have to use a stairway to get someplace.
But I also, I guess doesn't explain there's a lot
of big question marks that aren't really well explained by

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you know, saying like, well, but it's not real. Yeah,
so this is one of those weird crazy doozies where
I don't have a good answer for you. I'm sorry. Yeah,
I think I think we're all kind of on defense
on this. Yeah. It's like I don't know if say
it exists or not. And you know, I'm open to
the possibility of the existence of say, demons and things

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like that. I mean, they may they may actually exist. Seriously,
I mean, but don't the stairway now not buying it. Okay,
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